Sept. 18, 2025

Ozarks Horror: Something Towered Over Us!

Ozarks Horror: Something Towered Over Us!
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Season 1

What happens when two hunters head into the Arkansas wilderness expecting a peaceful night under the stars — and instead feel the breath of something massive just outside their tent? In this terrifying episode, we hear from Joe, a long-time outdoorsman whose solo trips through Arkansas and Idaho took a turn for the inexplicable. From a silent, towering presence that shook him to the core, to a green tree branch ripped six feet high in the Idaho backcountry, Joe’s stories are chilling, detailed, and unforgettable. You’ll hear about stone markers, guttural breathing that rattled his chest, and an overwhelming silence that made even the raccoons stay away. Locations include the Ozarks of Arkansas, Snake River near Palisades Reservoir, and the eerie woods of South Missouri. If you think Bigfoot is just a campfire story — this episode will change your mind.

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You're listening to Big for Society, and I'm Jeremiah Byron.

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In this show, we go beyond the campfire stories to

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bring you first hand encounters from people who say they've

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seen something impossible. From backwoods trails and remote mountain haulers

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to quiet farms and crowded highways. The stories come from everywhere,

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and each one leaves us with more questions than answers.

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These are the voices of the people who've lived it.

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To settle in, because today you'll hear another account that

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just might change the way you see the woods forever.

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So stay with us, all right, Big for Society. You've

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got the privilege of talking to Joe today. Joe is

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a listener of the show, has experienced some really interesting

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things in different states among the years. But thank you

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for coming on to the show today.

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Joe.

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How's it going, sir?

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Oh, you're welcome. Man. It's going great. It's a very

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nice day here in Missouri.

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Absolutely.

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You know.

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I'm excited to hear more about what you've experienced. I

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know we'll be talking about some different states that usually

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have some really interesting things happen in those states. So

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feel free Joe to take us back as far as

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you need to when you started to have some of

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these interactions with Bigfoot.

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Okay, so we'll start with Arkansas because that was pretty

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much the very first state. I was born on the

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Gulf Coast in Mississippi, but I've lived most of my

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life in central Arkansas. So we had a bunch of

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us were truck drivers at the time. So there's like

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seven of us that decided to lease some property from

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a paper company in north central Arkansas, op the neo's

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arts and we leave. It was right at five hundred

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acres of land, and I don't really want to say

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where that's at because we still have that lease, and

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I don't want anybody trying to go in there and

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then get hurt and then try to see this kind

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of legal thing. You can understand that. But so north

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central Arkansas, we hunted there for years, and I was

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what they called a rescue driver, so I would sit

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at home with my truck for weeks on in if

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somebody's truck broke down, I might run all the way

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to California and pick up their trailer and deliver their

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load from them. So I only work, you know, maybe

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one or two weeks a month, So I would go

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up to this property and I would stay there for

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weeks at a time by my a boat, hunted. I

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was an avid bow hunter, gear hunter. Everything was great.

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This property we had was a pine forest on top

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of a mountain in the Ozarks. We had two very

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nice creeks at the bottom of the mountains, just beautiful.

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They were full of little streamed by us and brim

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and stuff like that. You could go fish. We would

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go camp in the summertime. Never had any issues. I

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would love to be up there by myself and just

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camp out. Well, then they started putting in natural gas

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pipelines and that's kind of when things got started. So

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right outside of our main gate there's a natural firebreak

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a trail that I went up there one weekend in October.

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This was in twenty fourteen, and I'm going up there

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to make sure everybody's ready for dear season. I'm off

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there on the road that are all over the country,

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so I go put corn in their feeders and make

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sure their stands are good. And I'm up there by

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myself with a boat, and I go down this one

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fire break that borders are property, and I noticed there's

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like these three really large rocks stacked on top of

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each other, right in the middle of the path, and

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I thought that was odd. I was like, somebody's trying

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to sneak in on our property and they're using this

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as a marker on where they need to turn and

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go into their stand, but as a lecture. The right

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there's an old oak tree that had been falling down,

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probably for ten or twelve years, just laying on the ground.

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I'm like, why would somebody need a marker when all

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they have to do is walk down the trail and

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see the old oak tree so they knew where to turn.

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It didn't make any sense. So I just I kind

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of took my foot and I pushed over those stacked rocks,

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and I went on and checked everybody's stands, and I

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went to where we had a camp site on the

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very top of the mountain. And I didn't even bring

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a tint. I was just going to sleep in my

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truck for the night. But I made a small campfire,

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made me a sandwich, pulled out a bag of chips,

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eat my dinner, and I was just about ready to

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go to bed, and the most god awful screw you

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ever heard come from, Like I think it comes from

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where those pipelines peed together, because it made like like

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an interstate through the mountains, through the woods, and every

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hair on my body raised up. I've never heard of

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anything like that before, especially not out there. I put

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my campfire out, I got in my truck, and I

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left because I'm thinking, I'm out here all by myself

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with a bow and arrow. Nobody knows where I'm at.

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I'm way out in the middle of these mountains, so

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I leave. I go find a hotel at one of

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the closest towns too, and I stay in my hotel

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all night, and I say I'm not going back there

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until daylight. So at daylight I got up. I drove

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back to camp. Someone one of our friends, just for

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just so we won't get his name away, I'll call

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him Bob, one of the guys that came in during

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the middle of the night with his camper trailer. And

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he usually brings the camper trailer in around October and

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then doesn't take it out until December. Well, on my

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way in to hunt, I noticed that his camper trailer

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was there, so he must be on a stand. I

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went and hunted that morning unsuccessfully. I didn't see anything

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as I'm coming back out, I know to sees as camper.

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So I stopped and talked to him, and I tell

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him about what I heard the night before, and he's like,

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it's funny. You should mention that he goes last year

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when nobody was up here and I was here by myself,

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I was laying in my camper, and it sounded like

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a freight train came through the woods and it stopped

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right at the back of my camper, and I never

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heard another noise. He's the only one that doesn't laugh

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at me about believing at Bigfoot. But so to get

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back to my story, two weekends later, Arkansas has a

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special modern arms season. It's only like for one weekend

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and it's just to kill a dough It's kind of

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like a deprivation hunt. So me and a friend decide

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we're going to go up there and we're going to

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try to kill some meat for the freezer before the

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actual season opens. So this time we have his tint

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and it's like a Coleman pop up tent cabin tent.

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So at the very center of it, it's like six

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foot tall, so you can stand up in it and

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get dressed, but it sets up really quick and tears

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down really quick. So we had set this tent up

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and we went out scouting around picked out where we

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wanted to hunt for the next morning. Well, we had

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rain moving in. It was very cloudy that night, and

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it was supposed to rain the next day, but we

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wanted to hunt the morning before the strong storms got there.

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So once again built a little campfire. We had a

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radio on, and then we got ready and we were like, okay,

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let's let's go to bed and get some rest. We

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got to get up early and go hunting. We put

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out the campfire. We both crawled into the tent and

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I'm right there on that edge of sleep, you know,

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you get to where that edge of sleep where you're like,

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you're not completely asleep, but you're not awake either, And

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I felt him tap my legs and I was like,

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what he goes, sh listen, And whenever I came awake,

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I could hear the guttural breathing. It wasn't growling. It

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was like a really fat drunk guy snoring almost. I mean,

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I can't describe it the way this breathing was, but

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every time it breathed out, it rattled my chest. I

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could feel it in my chest, and it was maybe

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ten foot behind our tent. But you know how you

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can hear when someone is talking from the left or

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right or over there. This thing was above our tent.

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It was taller than our tent, and it must have

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had the biggest chest cavity of anything I've ever heard.

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It was not a bear. If it had to have

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been a bear, it had to have been like one

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of those Yukon gold giant brown bears or something, and

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it had to have been standing up on its feet.

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Both of our weapons were stealing my truck in bags unloaded.

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Like I said it was, it was very cloudy, rain

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was coming in. It was a very dark. There was

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no name, there was no stars, and we're just laying

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there in pitch dark blackness. The only thing I could

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think was I had a pocket knife, and so I

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pulled my pocket knife out and I opened it up,

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and I had a death grip on that pocket knife,

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and I laid it on my chest. I said, well,

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if this thing's going to get us, it's not going

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to go down without a fight. I've never been so

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scared of anything in my entire life. At the time,

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I was forty three years old. I've never heard anything

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like that, and it's right there. It's right outside the tent.

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So about fifteen or twenty minutes goes by. It never

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touches the tent, It never throws anything at us, It

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never makes any noise other than the breathing. And then

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you slowly start to hear the breathing going away, like

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it's walking away. And it's a pine forest, so there's

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pine needles are covered ground, so it's not like you

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have dry leaves or you can hear footprints walking away.

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It just kind of disappears and we end up falling sleep.

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I'm somewhere around four or five am. I wake up.

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I had to go to the bathroom, so I just

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do what I normally do, throw my cover off of me,

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and I start crawling towards the edge of the tent

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and I just got to unzip the tent when I

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realized I still have the knocks in my hand, and

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that brings back, Okay, what just happened, And so I

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freeze and I just start listening to everything around me,

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and I can hear the breathing again, but it's not

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behind our tents. It sounds like it's across the logging

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road that we drove in on, and I know what's

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across that road. It's a bunch of its that's kind

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of like a small thicket, very sick, dense brush rowed

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up and it sounded like it was behind that. And

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so once again I told myself, I am not getting

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out of this tent until daylight, until I can see

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what is going on, especially without a gun. I am.

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So somehow I managed to lay back down and go

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to sleep. The next thing I know, the sun was up,

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and I'll wake up and I look at my friend

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and he's waking up, and we just kind of look

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at each other. We crawl over unzipped the tent. The

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first thing we do is run to the truck, grab

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both of our rifles, load them up, and then we

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use the bathroom. We hunted that morning successfully did not

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see any deer whatsoever, again, which is unusual for that place.

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The rain started picking up and sums were moving in.

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So we went back and we broke down that camp

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site and left, and on our way out, the only

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thing I ever said to him was you know that

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wasn't a bear, right, And he said yeah, but he

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was still kind of in shock because I don't think

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he's ever been a believer in these things. So that

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was Arkansas, and we still have that property there, although

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the paper company has come in. They cut down the

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pine trees about three years ago and they plant as

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new ones. There is still deer there, but I have

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not camped there or been back since my incident. Well,

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I went back one time in the daylight to drive

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around and see where they cut everything down. But we

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moved to Idaho a couple of months after that, and

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I was lucky enough I got to go to I

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lived just north of Pocatello, Idaho, so I got to

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meet doctor jeffan Over him and Cliff Brockman at one

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of the Bigfoot conferences there in Pocatello. It was a

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great day and I talked with doctor jeffan Over him

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about the stack rocks and things. And he is very,

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very smart, very scientific. He applies the scientific method to everything.

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And when I talked to him about the stack rocks,

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he was like, well, you prove that bigfoot stack those up?

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And I go, no, I cannot, and he goes, that's right,

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we can't prove that bigfoot stacks rocks. We can't prove

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that they make structures. We can't prove anything because we

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don't have somebody like Jane Goodall to go out there

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and you live with the family of them and watch them.

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And the scientific mythic says that we have to witness

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this behavior of them to be able to know that

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they were the ones who did it, although I don't

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know anyone else who would do it, but that's just science.

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Just because you believe a man murdered somebody does not

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mean he did unless you actually seen there or have proof.

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So then the very next year after I got to

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meet with them and talk to them, a deer hunting

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trip I had in Idaho. Once again, I'm by myself

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out in the middle of the mountains, so I've always

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noticed these deer where I fish at up on the mountain.

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So I decided, hey, I'll give that a try and

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see if there's anything there in the fall. So I

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parked at my fishing the spot on the Snake River,

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very beautiful, heavy trout river. I left my truck and

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just started walking up the mountain. I got up to

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a ridge that I could oversee that had a small

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now what would you call it? It was like a

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small creek coming out of the side of the mountain,

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just a little bit of water, and like deer had

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been in there, he's in natural water instead of going

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down to the river. And I looked up on the

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ridge and there's a whitetail buck up there. I was like, man,

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I got in here too late because I don't go

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into the woods at dark anymore. But the deer he

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cuts over into this heavy stuff, and I'm like, well,

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maybe there's a trail up there. So I walked up.

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Sure enough, there's a big game trail up there, and

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I started following the game trail to the west. Walking

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right along the side of the mountain, I came upon

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the track that I sent you the picture of, and

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I wasn't even sure if it was a real track

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or not. And then I took about five more steps

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and I come out into this water in between two

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mountains where the snowmelt and all the rain runs down,

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and that's what you will see on the picture of

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the tree. And it's really hard packed, mostly rot, a

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lot of sage brush things like that. But then I've

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seen this tree and it has a limb ripped off

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of it. It's a completely green live tree. If you've

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ever built a campfire, you know you can break deadsticks

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they break right away. But I'm sorry, if you break

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a green one, the bark doesn't just break. You got

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to kind of like strip it off. And that's what

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I was seeing on this tree limb. And it wasn't

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I mean fifteen yards away from the print that I've seen.

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And I walked up to the tree and curiosity had

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got the best of me. So I started doing the

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circles around the tree looking for that tree lamb, and

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I'm thinking, what could have broke it off? It could

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even if it was a storm, it would have just

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snatched off and it would still be hanging by some

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of that green bark. Or you know, maybe somebody walked

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up this way and broke it off and threw it down.

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But I walked circles around that tree up to about

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twenty yards out. I never found that tree lamb. And

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if you look at the picture taking a picture of

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it going up the mountain, which is that wash has

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turned into another main game trail. It's easier for the

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elk and the deer to move up and down the

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mountain through that and climbing over all the rock. It

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gets really dmp some dark up there, and I started

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thinking to myself, you know, I've heard of them building

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structures and bedding and stuff. Maybe it tore this limb

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off and took it up there. But here we go again.

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I'm by myself in the middle of the mountains and

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no one knows where I'm at, so I did not

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pursue it any farther. I turned and walked down the

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wash back to the logging road coming in beside the river,

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and went back to my truck.

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Joe, real quick, I'm looking at the photo right now,

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But how how tall off the ground would you estimate

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that break to be?

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That break think was probably about six and a half foot.

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I mean, it would be easy for me to reach

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up there and grab that limb, but it was about

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two inches in diameter. I don't think I could have

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snapped that off.

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Yeah, it is definitely a sizeable branch. I would agree

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with you on that estimate of how wide around it

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it is. And I mean you can see the trail

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pretty close to it too.

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Yeah, And the footprint was actually pointed in that direction

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where I came out onto that wash. It was like

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right on the side of it. It was like the

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only possible place you could have actually made a footprint

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was right there because everything else was either overgrown or

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it was rotted. It was like that was the only

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place that had a little bit of uncompacted dirt, you

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know what I mean. And I've put it on social

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media and I've got slammed for it, Like, while is

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there only one prant? Oh, it looks like a cowl

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or it could have been a bare double stamps. I'm

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not saying it's big foot. It just got my curity

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curiosity to rouse why it was there. And then you know,

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a few yards from it, I have this tree with

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this limb ripped off. I don't know.

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It is very weird. And you said on the Snake.

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River right, Yes, it was right outside of a Palisades reservoir.

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We lived not far from there were We lived like

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an hour and a half hour and forty five minutes

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from Yellowstone Park. We lived there by Wyoming and Montana line.

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So if you bring up a Palisades reservoir, it's going

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to be right there on the Wyoming line.

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Oh, absolutely, because you've got Palisades, But then you've also

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got Swan Valley right there. Right, yep.

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And this was to the south of Swan Valley. There's

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a dirt road that goes up on the south side

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of the Snake River there at Swan Valley, and it

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was off to the south on one of those before

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you get to the move.

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Absolutely. Yeah, this this location has come up on the

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show before. It was back in episode eight fourteen. There

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were a ton of accounts that were sure there's been

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a lot of things out of happened around Palisades Reservoir

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over the years, going back to late nineties, sightings and

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tracks and multiple tracks, screams, roars being growled at. So

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I am not actually even things that sounded like the

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Sierra sounds. So I'm not surprised that if that's where

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you're you know, doing your hunting, that you're you're finding

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stuff like that. I mean, it is a really active

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spot in Idaho.

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I wish I would have done that while I lived there.

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We'd done a little bit more investigator right there you.

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Go, there you go, I mean, yeah, you never know.

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That's why I've been trying to put this map together.

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I have on my website of all like the different

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encounters I've taken over the years because like some places

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you would have no idea unless you have access to

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the information.

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This place in Idaho, I mean you have this is

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a very popular trout fishing location.

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Okay.

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You have like homes that are along that dirt road.

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You have you know, people's vacation homes. They have, you know,

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trout hunters and lodges and stuff like that. And the

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footprint and the tree was like, I don't know, maybe

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a quarter of a mile behind them. I mean, you

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wouldn't think it would be that close to civilization, but

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it is.

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Absolutely that. It is weird when you start to see

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stuff in civilized area, but it's I don't think it's

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out of the question for sure. Did you have when

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you lived in that area, did you ever talk to

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any neighbors to see if you know, they had ever

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seen any weird stuff or things like that around the reservoir?

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I do, And I have stickers on my throat, and

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you know sometimes I've got a big tattoo in the

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back of my leg of big Foot and people stop

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to me and talk to me. And that's why I

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do it, so that I can learn things. Not everybody talks,

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you know, what we are now, They don't they were

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kind of scared that people are going to laugh at them.

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I don't care if people laugh at me. It's I'm

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not saying that it's one true. I'm asking a question,

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you know what, what did you run into? What happened

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to you? And I have had several people talk to

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me about their experiences, uh some of them in Idaho.

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One guy that I actually worked with said that something

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through a rocket has head about the size of a softball,

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and it hit a tree right in front of him,

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and it hit so hard that it sounded like a

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gun going off, and he got scared and ran out

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of there and got back to his truck and left

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and he's never been back. He also had extremely good

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pictures on his phone of a trackway that he found

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in Washington, where his parents lived, and I thought that

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was very interesting. So I'm not really sure, I said,

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I'm just I'm telling you what happened to me. And

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as far as the one in Arkansas goes, I said,

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I've never been more scared of anything in my life.

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But it didn't try to attack me. It didn't, it

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didn't do anything. It was like it was more curious

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than anything. It just kind of stood behind the tent

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and walked stuff. And the odd thing is we had

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a lot of raccoons there in Arkansas, big ones. They

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would have run up and stealed the chips out of

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your hand while you were eating them. They were brave.

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But my buddy had left it an open bag of

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Cheetos on the chair when we went to bed and

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part of the families. Nothing came to our campground that

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night and took anything. If it would have been a bear,

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I could see it stealing food. Raccoons, Yeah, but nothing

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was touched. Even when we went and hunted the next

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morning and come back and broke the campdown, everything was

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still there. There had been no animals around our campground

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for that entire time.

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You know, bringing up the Arkansas situation. I did have

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a few questions for you about that, And I know

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it sounded like you weren't really in the mindset that

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next morning to go looking around at stuff, just because

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you're like, get the weapon, use the facilities, right, But

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did you notice like anything of the ordinary, like any

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tracks on the ground or that was just totally out

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of your mind.

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Well, I did try to look for something around the campground,

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but it's a pine forest. Like I said, everything is

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completely covered with pine needles, so you really don't get

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any like crushed down brush or footprints in the mug

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or anything like that. It's just a really thick layer

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of dead pond needles. So that being said, we wouldn't

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really hanging out that much, you know, to do that much. Lookingly,

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we kind of loaded our rifles, got in the truck,

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drove on down to the other end of our camp,

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and hundreds a little bit until it started ringing, and

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then we come back, just broke everything down and left

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as quick as possible.

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Gotcha when you were there during that time, besides the

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very just the strange breathing noise, did you guys hear

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any other sounds that were that didn't really fit the area,

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anything else strange that you were hearing?

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Yeah, there was nothing nothing, No birds, no frogs, no crickets.

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Everything was completely silent except for that. And I've been asked, well,

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did you see a shadow on the tent? Well, no,

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because the moon went now, the stars went out. It

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was cloudy. It was like laying in pitch darkness just

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listening to something right behind you and that's all you

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can hear. Wow.

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Uh at any time where there are any trees or

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stick breaks or maybe trees getting sounded like trees fell,

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anything like that.

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No, nothing, No coyotes, and we have a lot of

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coyotes up there, and usually as soon as the sun

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goes down, you can hear the packs running chasing rabbits

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or whatever they're doing. We heard nothing, nothing whatsoever. We wow.

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So it sounds like you the way you're explaining it

465
00:34:49.719 --> 00:34:54.039
sounds like you're in that that overpowering silence where it's like,

466
00:34:54.239 --> 00:34:58.719
so there's nothing and it's just I don't know if

467
00:34:58.760 --> 00:35:00.800
you've ever experienced that where it's like it's hard to

468
00:35:00.880 --> 00:35:03.440
think because it is so so quiet.

469
00:35:06.159 --> 00:35:10.800
Yeah, And as I was panicked, I really was, and

470
00:35:11.079 --> 00:35:16.000
I was gripped in that pocket night and I don't

471
00:35:16.079 --> 00:35:20.639
understand how I fell asleep, because I mean almost as

472
00:35:20.679 --> 00:35:26.039
immediately as we stopped hearing it, I was out. I

473
00:35:26.079 --> 00:35:28.480
fell asleep and I didn't wake up until I needed

474
00:35:28.519 --> 00:35:32.920
to go to the restroom. Most people would have been

475
00:35:33.000 --> 00:35:35.960
panicking and go, Okay, it's gone, let's get in our truck,

476
00:35:36.119 --> 00:35:41.199
let's go. We fell asleep and slept the whole night.

477
00:35:46.519 --> 00:35:49.519
That that is the thing you hear that you hear

478
00:35:49.559 --> 00:35:53.119
that a lot in these and it's just it's just

479
00:35:53.119 --> 00:35:55.519
one of those weird things you just cannot explain. Not

480
00:35:55.599 --> 00:36:02.639
even any owls in the area.

481
00:36:00.079 --> 00:36:01.639
No, nothing.

482
00:36:03.559 --> 00:36:06.679
That that is just that's a freaking night dude. My goodness.

483
00:36:08.519 --> 00:36:08.880
Wow.

484
00:36:09.440 --> 00:36:14.599
So you've had that in Arkansas and then the things

485
00:36:14.679 --> 00:36:19.039
you you found in Idaho. Is that the last time

486
00:36:19.119 --> 00:36:22.960
that you've experienced anything out of the ordinary or have

487
00:36:23.079 --> 00:36:28.519
there been things where you are currently as well?

488
00:36:28.679 --> 00:36:32.000
Well? I haven't. I haven't been able to get back

489
00:36:32.039 --> 00:36:35.440
out there here lately the past couple of years. They've

490
00:36:35.480 --> 00:36:38.880
had to put me on disability. I was an iron

491
00:36:38.960 --> 00:36:42.320
worker and a loader and everything. My back's gotten bad.

492
00:36:43.199 --> 00:36:46.880
Hopefully the end of September I'll get my last back

493
00:36:46.960 --> 00:36:49.239
surgery so that I can get back out there. And

494
00:36:50.159 --> 00:36:52.679
so I haven't been able to hunt or do anything

495
00:36:52.760 --> 00:36:57.159
like that in a couple of years, but I'm hoping

496
00:36:57.239 --> 00:37:01.440
to get back out there. We still have property in Arkansas.

497
00:37:01.559 --> 00:37:03.599
The guys want me to come back down and hunt

498
00:37:03.639 --> 00:37:07.760
with them after I get my back surgery. I'm hoping

499
00:37:07.920 --> 00:37:10.840
next year I will actually be able to get back

500
00:37:10.880 --> 00:37:15.360
down there into Arkansas, and this time is not just

501
00:37:15.519 --> 00:37:17.639
going to be hunting. For deer. You know it's going

502
00:37:17.719 --> 00:37:23.320
to be looking and seeing if there's any signs or

503
00:37:24.119 --> 00:37:28.880
you know, you go through stuff like that. It makes

504
00:37:28.920 --> 00:37:35.159
you look at things differently, it really does. I used

505
00:37:35.159 --> 00:37:37.800
to love the woods. I would be on my tree

506
00:37:37.880 --> 00:37:42.039
stand at least a half hour before daylight and it's

507
00:37:42.159 --> 00:37:45.920
just magic out in the woods. You hear the birds

508
00:37:46.039 --> 00:37:51.000
wake up, the squirrels start coming down right at daylight,

509
00:37:51.239 --> 00:37:54.840
the forest starts looking up, all the animals are getting out.

510
00:37:55.719 --> 00:38:01.960
It's purely magic. Yeah, I don't do that anymore. I

511
00:38:02.000 --> 00:38:07.559
am not going into the woods unless it's daylight. I

512
00:38:07.639 --> 00:38:10.599
have to be able to see what's around me. I

513
00:38:10.719 --> 00:38:18.199
really do. I get scared. The woods aren't the same anymore,

514
00:38:18.679 --> 00:38:24.320
not like they used to be. And I think if

515
00:38:24.360 --> 00:38:28.760
people ever experiencing things like I did, they're not going

516
00:38:28.800 --> 00:38:30.599
to be the same for you either. You're going to

517
00:38:30.679 --> 00:38:31.760
look at them differently.

518
00:38:36.800 --> 00:38:40.519
It is. It's a weird experience, I don't think. I

519
00:38:40.519 --> 00:38:42.800
think it's hard for people to understand that and let

520
00:38:43.000 --> 00:38:45.880
until they get in the situation like you've been in,

521
00:38:46.119 --> 00:38:51.000
where you experience that thing that is just extremely strange

522
00:38:51.119 --> 00:38:54.239
and has just affected the rest of your life. Now,

523
00:38:54.679 --> 00:38:58.239
is it Okay to mention where your current state is.

524
00:39:00.719 --> 00:39:06.079
Yes, okay, uh, we just recently moved to Jefferson c Missouri.

525
00:39:06.599 --> 00:39:08.719
Gotcha. So you're down in Missouri.

526
00:39:08.800 --> 00:39:09.039
Now you.

527
00:39:10.559 --> 00:39:12.840
Have the tattoo on the back of your leg. You

528
00:39:12.880 --> 00:39:14.880
can't really get rid of that, so you have at

529
00:39:15.000 --> 00:39:18.400
least some form of a big footfalling you around. Have

530
00:39:18.480 --> 00:39:20.679
you gotten people down there that have been like, hey,

531
00:39:20.719 --> 00:39:23.039
I've I've had stuff happen down here too.

532
00:39:25.639 --> 00:39:30.599
Yes. Absolutely. I went to the ose Art big Foot

533
00:39:30.880 --> 00:39:35.920
Conference last year. I was hoping to go again this year,

534
00:39:36.000 --> 00:39:40.760
but just with medical conditions, I just can't get down there.

535
00:39:41.199 --> 00:39:46.840
But that was in Springfield, Missouri last year, and I

536
00:39:47.000 --> 00:39:49.440
talked to one other guys that was in the audience,

537
00:39:50.519 --> 00:39:55.039
and he was he was kind of a believer, but

538
00:39:55.159 --> 00:39:59.480
he didn't know what to believe. And I talked to

539
00:39:59.599 --> 00:40:03.760
him in the audience and he said that he was there.

540
00:40:03.920 --> 00:40:09.280
He got elected from his small town in South Missouries

541
00:40:09.400 --> 00:40:13.079
to come there and learn about it because they had

542
00:40:13.599 --> 00:40:20.800
so many occurrences there, like they've seen them coming out

543
00:40:20.800 --> 00:40:24.079
of their sheds and their barns and stuff and running

544
00:40:24.079 --> 00:40:27.599
off into the woods. And I was trying to talk

545
00:40:27.639 --> 00:40:31.559
to him. I told my story a little bit, and

546
00:40:31.599 --> 00:40:35.480
then they sent everybody to lunch. Well, when we come

547
00:40:35.519 --> 00:40:37.960
back from lunch, I really wanted to talk to him

548
00:40:37.960 --> 00:40:41.079
and find out what town this was that he had

549
00:40:41.159 --> 00:40:46.960
left and he didn't come back. I've also ran into

550
00:40:47.000 --> 00:40:53.039
people at grocery stores and things like that. We'll say, oor,

551
00:40:54.000 --> 00:40:56.360
you know you a big foot hunter and I go, well,

552
00:40:56.400 --> 00:40:58.920
I'm kind of a researcher, or what do you got.

553
00:41:00.039 --> 00:41:02.000
They'll tell me, you know, one time when I was

554
00:41:02.039 --> 00:41:05.599
a kid, this happened, and so yeah, it's a great

555
00:41:05.599 --> 00:41:11.559
way to meet people. And I believe the most important

556
00:41:11.599 --> 00:41:16.199
thing we can do as far as researchers or a

557
00:41:16.280 --> 00:41:23.559
bigfoot community is listen to what other people have done.

558
00:41:24.519 --> 00:41:26.079
Like I say, we're not going to get to go

559
00:41:26.159 --> 00:41:28.800
out there and live with a family of bigfoot and

560
00:41:29.559 --> 00:41:32.480
see what they do and record it all down. So

561
00:41:33.239 --> 00:41:39.199
our best information comes from people like me, people that

562
00:41:39.280 --> 00:41:43.440
have seen something, They've had something happen to them, and

563
00:41:43.480 --> 00:41:47.639
then maybe somebody on your show hears about it and go, hey,

564
00:41:47.760 --> 00:41:50.639
you know what, that happened to me too, and so

565
00:41:50.800 --> 00:41:53.480
maybe they'll make a report of it, and so we

566
00:41:53.559 --> 00:41:57.719
can start gathering this information up a little by little

567
00:41:57.719 --> 00:42:01.280
one goes, hey, this guy over here, Thank Lewis said this,

568
00:42:01.639 --> 00:42:06.480
and that matches the same thing in the sky room Pennsylvania,

569
00:42:06.599 --> 00:42:09.719
or you know. I mean, that's how we're getting all

570
00:42:09.719 --> 00:42:13.119
our information of how they behave and what they do.

571
00:42:15.280 --> 00:42:18.039
I think that's a great idea. And the other interesting

572
00:42:18.079 --> 00:42:21.239
thing is, I mean there are people that say they

573
00:42:21.880 --> 00:42:25.280
have I mean that they are I guess not to

574
00:42:25.320 --> 00:42:29.159
the extent of doctor Jane Goodall, but that they have

575
00:42:29.199 --> 00:42:32.039
them on their property and that it's like a habituation

576
00:42:33.519 --> 00:42:38.519
thing going on. But yeah, it's it's interesting when you

577
00:42:38.599 --> 00:42:41.639
listen to all the accounts, you know, and maybe not

578
00:42:44.440 --> 00:42:47.159
maybe not kick some to the side, right and as

579
00:42:47.199 --> 00:42:50.039
you were saying, you know, kind of listen to everything

580
00:42:50.079 --> 00:42:54.039
that's going out there at all parts of the US

581
00:42:54.239 --> 00:42:56.800
and actually the world really. I mean there's stuff we

582
00:42:56.840 --> 00:42:59.480
can hear from other countries that applies to the US

583
00:42:59.760 --> 00:43:00.880
to situation as well.

584
00:43:00.960 --> 00:43:10.079
But yeah, I mean there's just those little small things

585
00:43:10.119 --> 00:43:14.559
that somebody might tell you a story of something they've

586
00:43:14.599 --> 00:43:18.159
seen and there's one little small part of it that

587
00:43:18.400 --> 00:43:22.159
matches with somebody else's story, and it matches with somebody

588
00:43:22.159 --> 00:43:25.239
else's story, and so that we can get to build

589
00:43:25.280 --> 00:43:28.599
a picture of it. I mean like you would do

590
00:43:28.679 --> 00:43:32.320
if you were, say a murderer investigator and you went

591
00:43:32.360 --> 00:43:35.559
out and interviewed everybody and showing that one little thing

592
00:43:35.639 --> 00:43:40.480
that ties everything together. And that's kind of what I

593
00:43:40.519 --> 00:43:45.639
think is. I love listening to people's stories. I really

594
00:43:45.679 --> 00:43:49.840
love hearing their sightings because it gives us just that

595
00:43:50.199 --> 00:43:52.800
one little bit more of information every.

596
00:43:52.639 --> 00:43:58.719
Day, Absolutely, Joe. And that's part of why I do

597
00:43:58.840 --> 00:44:01.159
what I do too. The main part is to give

598
00:44:01.760 --> 00:44:04.679
people a place to share where they don't have to

599
00:44:04.719 --> 00:44:07.679
worry about, you know, being made fun of or anything

600
00:44:07.719 --> 00:44:10.400
like that. But it is also it's a learning experience

601
00:44:10.480 --> 00:44:13.199
for me as well. But you know, it's been fun

602
00:44:13.239 --> 00:44:15.239
talking to you this afternoon, Joe. I want to make

603
00:44:15.280 --> 00:44:18.360
sure that you know you were able to share everything

604
00:44:19.119 --> 00:44:22.000
that you came on the show to share today.

605
00:44:25.400 --> 00:44:29.280
Yeah. I think that that's about it. I'm just ready

606
00:44:29.320 --> 00:44:31.880
to get Sergerie done. I'm ready to get back out

607
00:44:31.920 --> 00:44:36.039
there and put some boots on the ground and you know, see,

608
00:44:36.079 --> 00:44:37.119
we're looking find.

609
00:44:37.000 --> 00:44:40.960
Next absolutely well, once you're able to do so, and

610
00:44:41.039 --> 00:44:43.599
if you do run into some other things, you know,

611
00:44:43.639 --> 00:44:45.920
please reach out. We'd love to hear from you again

612
00:44:46.039 --> 00:44:49.480
and and hear any updates further down the road. But

613
00:44:49.559 --> 00:44:54.840
thanks so much for coming on the show today, Joe, absolutely,

614
00:44:55.039 --> 00:44:58.800
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