Oct. 30, 2025

Revenge of the Sierra Sasquatch! | Archives

Revenge of the Sierra Sasquatch! | Archives

What happens when a seasoned hunter from California sees something impossible just after sunrise — a massive black figure walking smoothly through 7-foot brush in the Sierra Nevadas, only to vanish before his eyes? In this gripping episode, we hear from Jordan, a 37-year-old outdoorsman whose years of archery hunting took a shocking turn. He recounts not only his initial visual encounter with what may have been a Sasquatch, but also bone-chilling screams in the middle of the night and a mysterious fleet of black government SUVs appearing days later. You’ll hear about the golden hour sighting, robotic movements, high-step walking through thorns, and trees violently swaying with no wind. This isn’t just another story — it’s a revelation that sent Jordan on a deep dive into the world of Sasquatch. Buckle up for “Revenge of the Sierra Sasquatch.”

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You're listening to BIGFA Society, and I'm Jeremiah Byron. In

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this show, we go beyond the campfire stories to bring

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you first hand encounters from people who say they've seen

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something impossible. From backwoods trails and remote mountain haulers to

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quiet farms and crowded highways. The stories come from everywhere,

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and each one leaves us with more questions than answers.

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These are the voices of the people who've lived it.

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To settle in, because today you'll hear another account that

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just might change the way you see the woods forever.

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So stay with us, all right, Big for Society. We've

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got the privilege of talking to Jordan tonight. Jordan is

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a listener who reached out to me via email. He's

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from California. He's had some really interesting things that have

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happened over the year. So Jordan, I'm so glad that

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we are on the phone together tonight and we're able

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to have this conversation. I'm going to let you go

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ahead and take it from here, my friend.

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Sounds good. First thought, Jeremiah, I just wanted to say

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thank you for giving a platform for people to get

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experiences off their chests and just discuss these things. But

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to start off, I'm thirty seven years old. I have

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been hunting with my dad since about the age ten

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or eleven. Kind of always been a little tag along

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at first, and then I got into it for myself

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about a decade ago. Had an old boss that actually

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gave me one of his hand me down compound bows,

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and I just fell in love with that aspect of hunting,

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not really so much rifle hunting, but just fell in

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love with being in the outdoors. I like hiking, hunting,

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of course, camping, everything that goes along with it. I'm

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just getting appreciate your nature. So basically, my dad and

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me have been hunting at the same spot for about

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the last ten or eleven years in northern California, and

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it is about to say, about an hour and a

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half from South Lake Tahoe, which a lot of people

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will be familiar with that area, and we always would

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go up a day or two before opening weekend of

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our tree season, get set up, get camp set up,

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get the dogs familiar with all the areas. Basically just

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the normal prepping, getting food ready, just ready to go

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for the opening weekend. So about five point fifteen in

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the morning, is when we step out of the trailer

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that we camp in and we do our usual just

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loading our packs up, checking to make sure we have water.

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Always got to make sure you have a little toilet

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paper in your hunting pack just in case. Also, my dad,

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he will he was accompanying me on this trip, and

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as as he usually does, and we started loading our

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gear up, I'd have to say five point fifteen, like

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I was saying. And then I always have a habit

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of once I get on my camel gear on, once

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I make sure my backpack is stocked up for the

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day general just your supplies, maybe a couple snacks, a

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couple of granola bars, things like that. I ended up

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strapping on my biny harness set up which I carry

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a little rangefinder that connects on a retractable cord to that.

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So at that point sun is starting to come up.

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It's got that kind of hazy golden hour, so to speak,

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things are starting to come clear. I have a ritual

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of always checking my binoculars, making sure they're adjusted, making

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sure I can see things clearly, check my rangefinder, make

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sure the battery is charged up on that, and I'll

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generally go through I'm very routine oriented, so I'll go

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through sort of a checklist, make sure binocular is set up, rangefinders,

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good to go, battery wise, it's good to go. And

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the campsite that we stay at it has lakes and

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there's a lower campsite, and then there's a road that

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cuts in between both lakes, and then there's an upper campsite,

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which is what we prefer to stay at. But this time,

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just because it's been getting busy or busier, we were

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staying at the lower campsite, which I mean, they're all

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great views. Whether it's beautiful up there, it's gorgeous where

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we camp at. So in the meantime, I'm talking to

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my dad. I got my vinyl harness set up on.

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I'm just checking stuff because we have seen deer actually

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above the second campsite sometimes in the morning moving. For

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anybody who's not familiar with you, aunting right when the

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sun comes up early morning is usually when they move.

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Middle of the day, once it gets warmer, they're bedded

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down in thickets brush, it's very hard to track them,

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and at evening they come out. So I'm doing my

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normal scanning the hillside above the upper campsite when I

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start seeing movement coming out of a thicket of trees

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headed towards a lake or the lakes that we stay at.

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I'm chatting it up with my dad. We're joking, and

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I think he's eat drinking a little bit of coffee,

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and I'm eating cereal out of a little styrofoam cup

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or styrofoam bowl. And I started seeing what at first

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I thought was possibly a bear walking towards the lakes.

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It continued to travel towards the lakes. But the odd

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thing was is it was clearly walking bipedal ly upright,

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and it was also making I could see it stepping

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over fallen trees branches. It just moved very efficiently, and

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it was very comfortable walking upright. So it kept heading

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towards the lakes and I was walking. I was looking

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at it with the naked eye and then switching in

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between looking back at it with binoculars. I kept watching

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it heading closer and closer to the lakes, and the

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sun is still rising. We're getting a late start on

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the hunt that morning. I pushed it out as far

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as I could, but eventually we had to take off,

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So I kept watching it as long as we could.

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It kept heading in the same direction from the hill

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from the mountain kind of hill above the lakes, headed

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towards the lakes. As the sun's coming up, and we're

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thinking we got to get in the vehicle, head to

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the trailhead and take off from there to go hunting

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for the am. The sun keeps coming up, and as

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it should have been more visible, this upright walking what

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we assumed was a bear, maybe a hiker, maybe somebody

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wearing all black, just disappeared. So it was about a

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I'd say a good one to three minutes that I

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was watching it, and I just noticed that it was

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walking really well, and it was also going upright, and

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it was also going through some really thick brush that

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was I'm guessing two hundred eight to three hundred yards

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away from where we were at the campsite. Whatever. It

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was very big. And the weird thing is when you

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see something like that, your brain goes through a checklist

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of what it has to be or things that you

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know that it has to be. So it went from

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the discussion that we were having was, Oh, it's a

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bear that has an injured front Paul that's possibly adapted

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really well, walking up right to no, there must be

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a guy out here that's really tall, wearing all black,

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has a black hoodie on, and he's also walking through

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thick brush buck brush headed to these lakes, which also

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didn't really make much sense at the time. As the

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morning went on, we discussed it a little bit, and

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at that point we were just focusing on the hunt

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that we had in front of us and hoping we

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get some action. And as the time went on that day,

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nothing weird happened. Rest of the day, business as usual.

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We went through our hunts, didn't see anything, but we

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did get one heck of a workout in In the afternoon,

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I found myself thinking about it again and thinking, Okay,

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maybe it was just a hiker. Maybe you see, we've

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seen weird things while hunting, people that seemed out of

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place in that area, or people walking through the middle

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of thickets of trees that weren't wearing hiking gear, just

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different things. I had to go through a checklist multiple

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times thinking what exactly it was that we saw. A

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few days passes and generally we stay about four to

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five days up there. On opening weekend, which is the

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third weekend of August here in California, for our tree season,

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and my curiosity got the better of me. So later

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on in that same trip, we end up hiking and

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hunting the hills and mountains directly above the upper campsite

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I go. I ended up deciding to walk over to

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that area of thickets and brush where we saw something

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a few mornings before. And I go up to that area,

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and I noticed that it is extremely tall. So the

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brush that I saw from a distance that didn't seem

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that tall ended up being at least my guests six

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to seven feet at the top. Whatever was walking through

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that area happened to be at least a shoulder and

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headlength above that brush. We thought that was really odd,

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and then we made jokes that, oh, it had to

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be a retired NBA basketball player was wearing all black,

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happened to have a black hoodie on, and he decided

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to walk to the lakes from wherever he was camping.

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After I came to think think about it more and more,

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it just made no sense that somebody would walk through

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thick brush that contained storms and stuff going to this

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lake when there's openings on both sides of it, there's

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areas that people have walked to those lakes, and it

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just nothing was adding up really about it. And to

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add another thing about it, you could clearly see what

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we saw lifting its legs, stepping over small brush branches possibly,

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but had such a effortless walk down the side of

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a fairly steep terrain, which also made me think that

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it wasn't a hiker and definitely was not anybody human

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walking down there. Another weird thing about all this is

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when it should have been visible when the sun was

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coming up right before we took off from camp, it

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had just completely disappeared, as if the event had never happened,

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which was pretty crazy to think about and to this

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day still has me stumped. So we've been hunting up

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until last year was our last year hunting at this

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area because my dad ended up moving out of state

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and he's living in the area now that has some

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great hunting. So I'll probably be going over there this

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archery season. But a few seasons later, I would have

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to say, probably about one, probably a year or two

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after the main sighting happened, or my first experience happened.

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We were tent camping this time instead of staying in

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a trailer because we were only going a couple days

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and it is pretty difficult to get into the area

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that we stay at. So we decided just we're going

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to dry Camp. We're gonna head up there and hopefully

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make something happen in a few days instead of staying

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for or five days like we normally do during opening weekend.

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About on the first night that we were in camp,

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same camp site that we always go to, our same

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general area, the same lakes that we always hunt out

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during our pre season opening weekend, we hear something at

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about two or three in the morning, and it is

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very loud, to the point that it wakes me and

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my dad up from our dead's sleep, and it sounded

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as almost like a I know, this sounds crazy, but

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it sounded somewhere between a how of a i'll mix

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with the bark of a dog, and it was just

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very loud. We get up in our tent and we're

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sitting up and we're listening, and it keeps going on.

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We're guessing that it had to be maybe one hundred

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one hundred and fifty yards from like the campsite on

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the Lower Lakes that we were staying at and the

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hill behind it, and we heard other people getting up

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and there was other campers next to us, and you

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could tell too, you were seeing flashlights turning on and stuff,

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so we know other people definitely heard that. And I've

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been in areas where there's mules and donkeys and near

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pack stations, and they do make noises that are somewhat

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terrifying at first when you hear, or if you're not

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used to those type of sounds, it can be pretty

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it's pretty shocking some of the noises that they can

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make on the middle of night that you'll hear. But

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where we were staying at it was there's no horses

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up there, no mules, and it did not sound like that.

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I've been, like I said, around horses, mules, donkeys, and

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that was definitely not what that was. But it was

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an extremely loud noise that sounded like a combination of

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multiple animals. And the funny thing is it almost sounded

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like something that would be off a Jurassic Park, which

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I thought was really odd. And no animal that's up

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there makes a noise like that. You have mountain ions,

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you have bears, of course, DearS, and nothing makes that

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loud of audible noise. And it had a certain pitch

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and a tune to it. That was just odd. It

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was very odd to hear it.

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I have a question, so sorry, Yeah, a question real quick.

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When you heard these noises, were they affecting you in

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any way mentally physically? Did they make you feel off

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anything like that.

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The strangest thing is, Jeremiah, when we heard that, it

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almost had an effect that made you want to go

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see what it was, if that makes sense. I know

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talking about it sounds crazy, but it was really weird.

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It almost drew to the sound. And I'm a pretty

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i would say, a pretty light sleeper, as in the

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fact of if I hear noises and stuff, I'm always

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a little bit on in the mountains just being out

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there and stuff. I always keep an eye to things.

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When my dad is the exact opposite. He's the guy

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that you say, hey, what was that, and he's just

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I'll go back to sleep. This time, it actually will

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both of us up. And it probably had been going

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on for ten to fifteen minutes at least before it

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woke us up, because I remember hearing it while I

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was asleep, but it was It definitely had an effect

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on us that wasn't necessarily a scary thing, but more

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so as in it made just really intrigue, which I

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thought was really weird considering the type of noise that

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it was. That it just wasn't anything I ever heard

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ever being in the mountains. So we continued for the

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Like I said, the last ten to eleven years, we've

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been hunting that same area. Last year was our last

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season that we were going to be going up there

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for opening archery, and there is so give a little

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context to this. When you head to the two lakes

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that we camp at and we hunt out of about

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forty five minutes up the road, there's a more commercial lake.

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I'm not commercial, but it's more of a lake that

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you get a lot of people from the Bay area,

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a lot of city people go to that lake because

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it has a regular asphalt road to it, and the

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lakes that we stay at, you have to travel on

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a dirt road for probably I can't imagine how many miles,

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but it's about thirty thirty minutes or just dirt road,

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and it has switched back. It's a little more difficult

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to access. So we decided to drop to drive to

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that lake, which has a convenience store there and like

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a little burger spot. Really good burgers by the way,

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but we needed to get some more supplies. I think

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we were designed to actually make some hamburgers that day

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and possibly got a couple of sodas or maybe your

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beer two. And so we're headed back on the road

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and this is probably the middle of the day, I

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want to say, anywhere from eleven to one o'clock. We're

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driving back to that lake. And when we get close

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to the lake, we noticed that there's about fifty government

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plate vehicles tahos, blacked out tahoes with government plates on them,

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which struck us as very odd in that area because

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you're good, you're at about seventy five one hundred feet

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eight thousand feet at that lake, which is a little

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bit lower than where we stay at and there was

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a heavy presence of apparently government employees, which you know,

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it's just odd that either there was somebody very high

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profile while it was in that area, or there was

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some reason that they were up there, and considering the

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things that we've seen heard, it just can't it just

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that you start putting everything together, just the optics of

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it were that they were there for some type of reason,

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and it to this day we don't know what exactly.

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It's definitely a very strange coincidence and it makes you wonder,

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no doubt, especially that many vehicles I know.

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And the thing is when you get to when you

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get to this lake, there's little areas on both sides

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of the road where people park at overtime, fishermen, people

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that are there for the day, families, they all park

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on both sides of it. And this wasn't like an

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incorporated parking lot at the convenience store. It was just

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on the side of the road. And we noticed so

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many vehicles on both sides. Really, it was really it

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makes your head. It's a head scratching moment for sure.

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I would like to take a few minutes and talk

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about your first initial sighting, if that's all right.

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Yeah, I no, that's problem. It's no problem.

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Yeah, which is just an incredible like that being your

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first interaction. You were looking through your rangefinder, right.

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Yeah, rangefinder and binoculars. I'm anybody who knows me knows

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some very detail oriented, very routine about things. So in

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the morning, when I'm getting ready get and we're getting

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ready to either take off from camp or drive to

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some trail heads that we take off from I always

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look through my binoculars and my rangefinder, and I go

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through the binoculars and the brand that I have has

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that normal little turntial that is that your center between

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your eyebrows is where that is located. So I always

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tend to just check to make sure that it's focused

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on adjusted. Depending on form I'm wearing my reading glasses

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or my prescription glasses or not, then always try to

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make that make sure that's all dialed in for before

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we take off. On the same thing with my range

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find I just want to make sure that the battery

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didn't tie overnight or something was leaning on one of

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the buttons when I put it up in my backpack

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the night before. It's just always habened. I just always

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want to make sure that my gear is ready to

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go when I take off from camp or whenever we

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do that hunt in the morning.

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Oh, absolutely wish. I think it is great remembering what

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you saw. I've got a few questions about that. Do

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you were you able to see what the gate of

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the creature was like, how it was moving, how it

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was stepping.

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Yeah, you know. Was really weird about it was that

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it moves so smoothly going downhill. The only thing that

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I can compare it to is if you were going

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down an escalator and you were walking down at the

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same time that you were going down that escalator.

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Interesting, Yeah, did you notice anything out of the ordinary.

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So let's pretend we're looking at the We're looking at

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the legs right, and you've got the my anatomy is

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not up to par. But the part of the leg

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that is below the knee, which I believe would be

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the shin and that area below or above the ankle,

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was there anything out of the ordinary about the movement

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of the creature in that part of the leg?

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No, not that I noticed, But the area that it

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was traveling through for some portion of the sighting of

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it did have a lot of thick brush. So for

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a portion of it, I was just we were just

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seeing what looked like somebody very tall with a hoodie

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on all black. That was head and shoulders going through

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some butt brush is what we call it, which is

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not a technical term, but sometimes there's some type of

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berries when you get to the high country, they have thorns,

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And for a portion of it, all I was seeing

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was just shoulders and head above some very thick brush.

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Gotcha and then when it finally did go through that

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area and you could see stuff, it just had a

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very unique look to it. Gate to it, the walk

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to it was it almost lifted its each individual foot

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as if you would if you were stepping through mud

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or you were trying to shake something off your feet.

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As you were taking every step, it seemed like it

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was lifting its legs, like it was stepping over things

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that were higher than were on the ground. Is if

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you were almost doing high knees or exaggerating how you

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were lifting your feet. Say you were walking over a

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small branch, and you lifted your knees and feet very

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high to go over something small. It just it looked odd.

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Gotcha when you mentioned that it almost seemed like it

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was trying to shake mud off its legs. Were you

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able to see the legs at the time when it

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was making those kind of movements.

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Yeah, yeah, we could. For it was probably only about

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a quarter of the time that I saw it, I

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was able to witness that, and it at the distance

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that we were at, which was I'm guessing about two

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hundred to three hundred yards, it was kind of hard

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to make out any discernible features, and the really odd

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thing is it was so dark that it looked almost

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like a shadow walking through brush.

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Okay, gotcha, So it might be a little tough, like

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if I was to ask when it was doing the

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shaking the mud off of its legs, do you remember

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if the let's say, the way it was walking, was

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it moving its legs just straightforward or was it doing

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a weird motion with its legs when it walked when

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it was doing the mud shaking.

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That's hard to say really from what I remember, but

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I guess the closest thing that I could really compare

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it to is the movement as if people at the

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gym when they go on the stair machine, and you

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see some people that do exaggerated movements when they lift

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their legs really high. But it was doing that while

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traveling downhill, which struck me as really odd.

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Okay, wow, that is really interesting. You are you a

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guy who watch watches Bigfoot videos and documentaries and stuff.

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Yeah, honestly, so this is the backstory behind all this

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stuff for years. My dad, he's a no nonsense type

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of guy. He's the one guy when crap hits the

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fan that you want to have with you. He's been

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hunting since he was probably early twenties, and this was

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four decades later, Okay, three or four decades later, so

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he he doesn't basic. We made jokes about it, and

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before that point we were I had known about Bigfoot,

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and we changed the channel and you'd find I'm not

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going to say the exact show, but you find one

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on and we would make jokes at it or say

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or we thought it was something funny kind of in

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a way. We never took it serious. And then after

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the sighting happened that we had, plus some weird stuff

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that we added up together. It just changed that my

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outlook at least on everything, and it got me to

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researching a lot more into that topic. When it's just

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something you can't shake, it's once you have an experience

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like that, there's probably, honestly, not one day that goes

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by that I don't think about that in some capacity.

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Oh absolutely. And I asked that because the really detailed

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questions I was asking right there is trying to see.

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I was just curious what you had noticed. Because there's

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an old documentary called Sasquatch Legends, Legend Me Science from

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Doug Hicheck, and he has a very detailed part about

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the supposed gait of a sasquatch, and what you said

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was very interesting. I don't know if you've never watched that,

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it would be fa okay, So I think you can

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find it on YouTube potentially, and I would be very

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interested if you were to watch that and then contact

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me back. And there's the especially the part about the

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gait of the creature and they try to replicate it.

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I'd be interested to see. But moving on, and I

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also do want to point out that we had talked

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beforehand that this is your first time actually sharing all

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these things that have happened without out outside the reach

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of people that are extremely close to you. This is

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your first time sharing that. But so looking through your optics,

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how much of the details of the face and the

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body where you were able to see.

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To start off, Because the was just starting to come

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up and everything had that orange que to it, so

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to speak, it was really hard to get discernible features.

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And the odd thing was you could tell that it was.

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My first thought was it was something covered in fur

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or hair. That's why I first went to It had

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to be a bear, and it was a bear that

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knew how to walk really well on two legs. It's

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hind legs, but it was just so dark that you

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couldn't make out exactly what it was. And like I said,

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you just go through the gambit of it's got to

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be this, No, it has to be that, it has

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to be this, and Bigfoot was honestly probably one of

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the last things on that list that was a possibility

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in what we saw.

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So it sounds like we're not seeing fine details like

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facial features, find details like that hair color. Although you

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did mention black, Yeah.

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It jet It was like pretty much a jet black

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from where we were standing. And even the odd thing

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was even looking at it with binoculars. The lighting wasn't

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the best, of course, but looking at it with binoculars,

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it was so dark in the shoulder and neck and

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face region it was it was almost impossible to make

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out any exact details, which I thought was really odd.

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Okay, yeah, that's very interesting. So definitely not seeing anything

468
00:29:24.160 --> 00:29:25.960
about the eyes anything.

469
00:29:25.680 --> 00:29:27.440
Yeah, okay, not that.

470
00:29:28.000 --> 00:29:32.039
No, Remember, did you see let's say, did you notice

471
00:29:32.039 --> 00:29:33.359
like the shape of the head at all.

472
00:29:35.000 --> 00:29:37.400
Yeah, it was very rounded. That's why I first it

473
00:29:37.440 --> 00:29:41.839
seemed very large. It didn't definitely, it almost seemed as

474
00:29:41.880 --> 00:29:45.319
if a person had a very almost like a cloak

475
00:29:45.440 --> 00:29:47.799
or something you'd see in Star Wars or that type

476
00:29:47.839 --> 00:29:51.440
of loose garment over the head. So it was very

477
00:29:51.480 --> 00:29:54.119
It was pretty big, a lot more big than what

478
00:29:54.200 --> 00:29:56.519
I would think of human's head would look like from

479
00:29:56.519 --> 00:29:58.000
that distance as for sure.

480
00:29:58.240 --> 00:30:00.839
So when you say like a cloak, kind of saying

481
00:30:00.880 --> 00:30:03.240
like maybe there was like a cone shape to the

482
00:30:03.279 --> 00:30:03.920
head or.

483
00:30:05.359 --> 00:30:08.559
Yeah, it actually looked it looked round to me, but

484
00:30:08.640 --> 00:30:11.119
it's just from where the shoulders went to the head.

485
00:30:12.319 --> 00:30:14.839
It didn't go like a humid wood where you have

486
00:30:14.920 --> 00:30:17.519
your clavicle and then it goes into your neck. It

487
00:30:17.559 --> 00:30:20.759
looked like it was just rounded out from basically essentially

488
00:30:20.799 --> 00:30:24.319
something touched almost from the shoulder to the top part

489
00:30:24.359 --> 00:30:24.799
of the head.

490
00:30:25.960 --> 00:30:30.240
Okay, okay, so not really like much of a neck then.

491
00:30:31.079 --> 00:30:34.359
Yeah, exactly exactly. That was the first thing I thought.

492
00:30:35.559 --> 00:30:38.160
Were you able to tell if you were maybe looking

493
00:30:38.200 --> 00:30:41.519
at a male creature or a female creature in any way?

494
00:30:42.720 --> 00:30:46.039
No, I could not from where there was no discernible

495
00:30:46.240 --> 00:30:48.400
anything visible of that nature.

496
00:30:48.279 --> 00:30:51.720
Gotcha, And so you were getting really a side view

497
00:30:51.759 --> 00:30:55.799
of the creature as it walked across or it.

498
00:30:55.720 --> 00:30:59.359
Was so at first it started making it was traveling

499
00:30:59.559 --> 00:31:03.359
from left to right, and then at one point it

500
00:31:03.480 --> 00:31:08.640
turned almost like dead onto us for a little bit

501
00:31:08.680 --> 00:31:09.200
of it.

502
00:31:12.039 --> 00:31:16.799
Gotcha when it did that turn, and I'd apologize, I'm

503
00:31:16.799 --> 00:31:20.960
going to be asking questions, and if it's dark, that's

504
00:31:21.000 --> 00:31:25.039
no problem. But the point where it turned and moved

505
00:31:25.079 --> 00:31:27.839
towards you, at that point where there are anythings you

506
00:31:27.960 --> 00:31:30.720
noticed that you hadn't noticed when it was just walking

507
00:31:30.720 --> 00:31:31.559
from left to right.

508
00:31:33.160 --> 00:31:36.440
No, there was nothing as in like certain features that

509
00:31:36.480 --> 00:31:38.920
I noticed. It just had such a weird movement who

510
00:31:39.039 --> 00:31:43.359
was very like stiff. It almost moved in a robotic manner,

511
00:31:43.440 --> 00:31:44.440
if that makes sense.

512
00:31:45.680 --> 00:31:49.319
Interesting, it's such a weird it's such a weird variation.

513
00:31:49.640 --> 00:31:51.839
So you're sitting on the one hand, the creature is

514
00:31:51.920 --> 00:31:56.799
moving very smoothly right correct, But then on the other hand,

515
00:31:57.400 --> 00:31:59.680
it has a robotic movement to it.

516
00:31:59.720 --> 00:32:03.559
You say, right, yep, And I've seen that before with

517
00:32:04.359 --> 00:32:08.119
certain athletes and stuff that are they can move so

518
00:32:08.279 --> 00:32:11.960
well and their movements are so precise that it almost

519
00:32:12.000 --> 00:32:12.759
looks robotic.

520
00:32:14.200 --> 00:32:19.119
Interesting, Okay, I like that. Remembering what you had looked at,

521
00:32:19.599 --> 00:32:23.480
did it give you more the sense like maybe you

522
00:32:23.519 --> 00:32:27.519
were looking at a creature that was in some way

523
00:32:27.640 --> 00:32:31.079
related to a human or to an ape or something

524
00:32:31.119 --> 00:32:33.880
that just didn't really fit in either of those boxes.

525
00:32:35.400 --> 00:32:40.960
For me, it looked like a human. It resembled more human.

526
00:32:41.200 --> 00:32:46.480
But then on the other hand, it also seemed as

527
00:32:46.519 --> 00:32:49.160
if like when you see animals. I'm not sure if

528
00:32:49.200 --> 00:32:53.920
you're familiar with animals and their movements and stuff and it.

529
00:32:55.079 --> 00:32:57.000
So the whole thing was that it was like somebody

530
00:32:57.039 --> 00:32:59.279
going to that lake, like as if we see deer

531
00:32:59.680 --> 00:33:03.240
or do it. They go to water sources and they

532
00:33:03.319 --> 00:33:05.359
usually do it first thing in the morning. That's when

533
00:33:05.400 --> 00:33:10.400
a lot of animals are moving. And that's that's basically

534
00:33:10.440 --> 00:33:12.440
what it did. What it was, and that's what I

535
00:33:12.480 --> 00:33:14.640
thought at first, just if we were looking through our

536
00:33:14.680 --> 00:33:18.359
binoculars and I was to see a dough or but

537
00:33:18.720 --> 00:33:19.839
going to get water.

538
00:33:21.039 --> 00:33:25.319
Wow, what other sounds were you hearing at that time.

539
00:33:27.519 --> 00:33:31.200
During the initial sighting? It was just the normal sounds.

540
00:33:31.240 --> 00:33:33.839
I think there was some birds churping, just different stuff.

541
00:33:33.839 --> 00:33:37.480
In camp. Nobody was really up at that point where

542
00:33:37.480 --> 00:33:41.400
we camp at. There's you got your normal hikers, some families,

543
00:33:42.240 --> 00:33:45.279
but that year, from what I remember, there wasn't a

544
00:33:45.279 --> 00:33:47.759
whole lot of hunters, so at that time in the morning.

545
00:33:48.519 --> 00:33:50.920
I want to say, also in the campsite that we

546
00:33:50.920 --> 00:33:53.519
were at, I don't recall anybody else beating up at

547
00:33:53.559 --> 00:33:55.240
all in that area.

548
00:33:58.359 --> 00:34:01.000
At any point. Were you able to see the full

549
00:34:01.079 --> 00:34:02.400
length of the arms?

550
00:34:04.799 --> 00:34:11.239
Yes, I was so in between so when it was

551
00:34:11.320 --> 00:34:14.719
traveling through the thickets, and then at some point that

552
00:34:14.760 --> 00:34:19.360
brush got a little shorter, is my speculation. And what

553
00:34:19.440 --> 00:34:22.199
I saw you could see our movement and they were

554
00:34:22.280 --> 00:34:23.440
swinging back and forth.

555
00:34:25.239 --> 00:34:30.079
Interesting. How long were these arms hanging down? Would you say?

556
00:34:31.760 --> 00:34:36.920
I would say, Man, I'm gonna have to go back

557
00:34:36.960 --> 00:34:39.880
into my memory bank really good on this part, okay,

558
00:34:41.159 --> 00:34:44.400
And I would have to say it was probably comparable

559
00:34:44.480 --> 00:34:49.239
to a human as far as they didn't look abnormally long.

560
00:34:51.000 --> 00:34:54.239
But they also were hinged at what would be the

561
00:34:54.280 --> 00:34:54.960
elbow area.

562
00:34:57.239 --> 00:35:03.320
Interesting, So definitely not like you would say, not past

563
00:35:03.519 --> 00:35:05.920
the knees, not down, not down there.

564
00:35:05.960 --> 00:35:06.320
Okay.

565
00:35:07.000 --> 00:35:10.440
But you're also I'm going to ask them. Let's say

566
00:35:10.440 --> 00:35:12.960
you said the brush was six to seven feet tall,

567
00:35:13.079 --> 00:35:15.960
and you said you could see the shoulders and the heads.

568
00:35:16.079 --> 00:35:18.920
How much would you how tall would you estimate what

569
00:35:18.960 --> 00:35:21.320
you were looking at? Probably was I would.

570
00:35:21.159 --> 00:35:25.280
Have to say that it was definitely. No, it was

571
00:35:25.400 --> 00:35:27.880
at the shouldest it was seven foot, but I'm guessing

572
00:35:28.000 --> 00:35:29.760
between the seven to eight foot range.

573
00:35:29.880 --> 00:35:33.039
Yeah, gotcha. Were you able to see anything about the

574
00:35:33.079 --> 00:35:33.639
hands at all?

575
00:35:35.599 --> 00:35:39.039
No, not really, other than just saying dark, What I'm

576
00:35:39.079 --> 00:35:41.920
assuming were the hands? Are you going back and forth

577
00:35:42.039 --> 00:35:45.719
like during the walking movement?

578
00:35:45.960 --> 00:35:53.440
Sorry, at any time did you start having different I'm

579
00:35:53.440 --> 00:35:55.119
going to try to think of how I'm going to

580
00:35:55.199 --> 00:35:58.280
say this when you're watching the creature. Were there was

581
00:35:58.320 --> 00:36:01.920
there at any time a difference in how your body

582
00:36:02.039 --> 00:36:07.760
was reacting, your mental state, how you felt internally.

583
00:36:09.719 --> 00:36:14.159
No, not really that I noticed. And I think now

584
00:36:14.199 --> 00:36:18.000
that I have seen this, I realized that when you

585
00:36:18.039 --> 00:36:22.000
see something that doesn't make any sense, that the human

586
00:36:22.079 --> 00:36:27.039
tries to rationalize what they saw. So it was just

587
00:36:28.159 --> 00:36:30.480
I was coming up with so many different excuses at

588
00:36:30.480 --> 00:36:33.800
the time of what it had to be, and even

589
00:36:33.800 --> 00:36:36.159
though none of it added up, it was like, oh, no,

590
00:36:36.360 --> 00:36:40.480
there's no way that it could be something upright, dark

591
00:36:40.760 --> 00:36:44.960
covered in fur. Walking towards this lake where you have

592
00:36:45.079 --> 00:36:48.440
campers at the lower spot and above both lakes, there's

593
00:36:48.440 --> 00:36:51.920
a campsite above there, and it was probably only two

594
00:36:52.039 --> 00:36:55.400
hundred yards from the right of the upper campsite.

595
00:36:57.559 --> 00:36:58.000
Gotcha.

596
00:36:59.440 --> 00:37:03.440
It just seemed weird that it was close enough to

597
00:37:03.519 --> 00:37:08.000
the campsites, but not it was close enough to where

598
00:37:08.000 --> 00:37:10.599
if it was a person, they would have walked in

599
00:37:10.679 --> 00:37:12.840
the openings to get to the lakes. They wouldn't have

600
00:37:12.880 --> 00:37:17.679
gone through dance brush tickets to go to the lake.

601
00:37:17.880 --> 00:37:19.960
That just it made no sense as to why, because

602
00:37:19.960 --> 00:37:24.400
I've walked by that brush before and it's so thick

603
00:37:24.440 --> 00:37:28.360
in there, and also there's storms. Just nobody that has

604
00:37:28.400 --> 00:37:31.039
any clue about being in the mountains and walking through

605
00:37:31.039 --> 00:37:33.519
that terrain would go straight through the center of it.

606
00:37:34.199 --> 00:37:38.400
That makes sense. There's no logical reason for a human

607
00:37:38.559 --> 00:37:39.440
to be over there.

608
00:37:40.559 --> 00:37:43.239
Yeah, exactly, gotcha. Because if it weren't to go to

609
00:37:43.280 --> 00:37:47.199
the lake for whatever reason, it would go in the openings,

610
00:37:47.239 --> 00:37:49.519
and there's areas where there's knee high grass, and then

611
00:37:49.559 --> 00:37:51.760
there's areas where there's shorter grass. They would have taken

612
00:37:52.159 --> 00:37:54.679
an easier route basically to get to the lake.

613
00:37:56.800 --> 00:38:03.679
After you had this experience, did this effect your time

614
00:38:04.199 --> 00:38:07.880
back at home in any way?

615
00:38:08.920 --> 00:38:11.800
No, not so much. But I get teased from time

616
00:38:11.840 --> 00:38:14.800
to time because I'm so into the subject now. When

617
00:38:14.800 --> 00:38:18.800
it sent me on a deep dive where I've read.

618
00:38:18.920 --> 00:38:21.639
I have a stack right now under my TV of

619
00:38:21.760 --> 00:38:26.880
probably thirty books, my podcast. I have a job where

620
00:38:26.920 --> 00:38:30.960
I'm driving site to do building inspections. In between, I'm

621
00:38:31.000 --> 00:38:35.320
constantly just watching YouTube videos listening to podcasts related to

622
00:38:35.360 --> 00:38:35.920
the subject.

623
00:38:38.159 --> 00:38:43.320
And that happened after this encounter that you got really

624
00:38:43.360 --> 00:38:46.880
super deep into it? Why is yeah? What is the

625
00:38:46.920 --> 00:38:49.840
main reason you think that you got really into it

626
00:38:49.960 --> 00:38:50.400
after that?

627
00:38:53.079 --> 00:38:55.400
My guess is I just wanted to find answers. Really,

628
00:38:55.719 --> 00:38:58.800
when you see something that once you narrow down all

629
00:38:58.800 --> 00:39:01.679
the possibilities of what it wasn't and you start to

630
00:39:01.679 --> 00:39:05.880
think of what it could have been, it now I

631
00:39:05.920 --> 00:39:10.400
want answers basically about that. I feel lucky on one

632
00:39:10.400 --> 00:39:16.360
hand that I got to witness it, but then again,

633
00:39:16.519 --> 00:39:19.400
it's also changed my view of pretty much everything. It

634
00:39:19.440 --> 00:39:22.800
wasn't a huge paradigm shift at the beginning. It wasn't

635
00:39:22.880 --> 00:39:27.400
something that was like, oh, everything's completely different. But the

636
00:39:27.400 --> 00:39:29.960
more that I narrowed it down and the more that

637
00:39:30.800 --> 00:39:33.599
I went through my checklist and analyzed it, then it

638
00:39:33.639 --> 00:39:37.320
did start to change everything. Like, It's definitely opened my

639
00:39:37.360 --> 00:39:41.440
eyes to a lot of different things, sure or not

640
00:39:41.679 --> 00:39:45.320
just ignoring and writing stuff off. Now, whether anybody says

641
00:39:45.440 --> 00:39:48.800
they go into the top of the dog Man, any

642
00:39:48.840 --> 00:39:51.559
of the cryptids. Now before I would have been like, oh,

643
00:39:51.639 --> 00:39:54.880
that's funny, But now I'm just like, these people are

644
00:39:54.920 --> 00:39:59.920
seeing something and they you know what it is. I don't.

645
00:40:00.239 --> 00:40:01.800
But there is people that are seeing things that I

646
00:40:01.840 --> 00:40:04.199
take it ahead of a lot more serious now, that's

647
00:40:04.239 --> 00:40:04.599
for sure.

648
00:40:04.880 --> 00:40:07.840
Oh absolutely, it's once you have an encounter like this,

649
00:40:07.880 --> 00:40:10.519
it's like all bets are off, I think for everything else.

650
00:40:10.760 --> 00:40:13.800
I do want to ask a question I asked before,

651
00:40:13.840 --> 00:40:18.239
maybe a little bit more direct, after you had this encounter,

652
00:40:19.239 --> 00:40:23.800
at any time, did you have where your dreams affected?

653
00:40:24.039 --> 00:40:27.119
Did you start to hear any strange voices or anything

654
00:40:27.159 --> 00:40:27.360
like that?

655
00:40:28.599 --> 00:40:31.679
Nope, okay, no, believe it or not, I didn't. The

656
00:40:31.760 --> 00:40:34.840
thing is the way I look at it is where

657
00:40:34.840 --> 00:40:38.159
we go hunting at and where I've been hiking at

658
00:40:38.159 --> 00:40:40.880
and been in outdoors. There's plenty of things that can

659
00:40:40.920 --> 00:40:44.159
harm you that are out there, and so in that aspect,

660
00:40:44.320 --> 00:40:46.679
I wasn't like terrified to go back in the woods

661
00:40:46.800 --> 00:40:49.039
or it never made me but made me more vigilant,

662
00:40:49.079 --> 00:40:51.880
that's for sure. And I always listen when we were hunting,

663
00:40:51.960 --> 00:40:54.239
I'd take a couple of seconds to look off on

664
00:40:54.280 --> 00:40:56.760
the hill next to me with my binoculars or scanning

665
00:40:56.800 --> 00:41:00.639
stuff and always keeping an eye on me. But from

666
00:41:00.679 --> 00:41:03.679
what I learned, it's you should always be vigilant in

667
00:41:03.719 --> 00:41:07.920
the mountains. We see people that go out there in

668
00:41:08.440 --> 00:41:10.800
areas where we've seen bear before and seen lots of

669
00:41:10.800 --> 00:41:13.159
signs of bear, and you know, I don't think they're

670
00:41:13.239 --> 00:41:15.840
vigilant enough really, to be honest. And we see single

671
00:41:16.559 --> 00:41:19.880
people going in there and they're hiking way back just

672
00:41:19.920 --> 00:41:22.320
by themselves, and to me, that's the recklas.

673
00:41:22.880 --> 00:41:26.880
Oh yeah, definitely. You mentioned that you had gone back

674
00:41:27.079 --> 00:41:31.039
to the actual brushy area afterwards. When you were over there,

675
00:41:31.079 --> 00:41:36.559
did you see any evidence of footprints or like a

676
00:41:36.599 --> 00:41:38.360
massive creature going through nothing at that?

677
00:41:38.480 --> 00:41:41.719
Okay, I did not. I did not. I started. I

678
00:41:41.760 --> 00:41:44.719
basically went to the edge of where that brush was,

679
00:41:45.440 --> 00:41:47.880
and I wanted to see how tall that was so

680
00:41:47.920 --> 00:41:50.480
it could give me a better idea to the height

681
00:41:50.559 --> 00:41:52.760
of it. And once I realized that it was a

682
00:41:52.800 --> 00:41:55.760
lot taller than I thought, it changed it gave me

683
00:41:55.840 --> 00:42:01.159
some answers that I needed. Basically makes sense, and I'm

684
00:42:01.199 --> 00:42:04.760
sorry to figgyback on that part of the profession that

685
00:42:04.800 --> 00:42:08.320
I'm in, I'm constantly measuring stuff with tape measures and

686
00:42:09.320 --> 00:42:13.719
checking diameters of things and stuff, and I thought maybe

687
00:42:13.719 --> 00:42:15.639
I could guess from the distance that I was how

688
00:42:15.679 --> 00:42:18.360
tall that was. But then when I actually got right

689
00:42:18.400 --> 00:42:21.440
next to it, like my mind was somewhat blown. I'll

690
00:42:21.599 --> 00:42:23.320
tall that brush actually was.

691
00:42:24.639 --> 00:42:28.599
Absolutely just to double check during that encounter where you

692
00:42:28.639 --> 00:42:32.280
had the visual on it, were there any Was there

693
00:42:32.280 --> 00:42:35.079
any evidence that you had captured from that time?

694
00:42:36.760 --> 00:42:38.840
No, I did not. I do have when we go

695
00:42:39.000 --> 00:42:41.039
hunting a lot of the times, I'll carry my cell

696
00:42:41.119 --> 00:42:42.920
phone on me, but where we're at we have no

697
00:42:43.079 --> 00:42:46.440
service for we have to drive down the mountain a

698
00:42:46.480 --> 00:42:49.679
good hour and a half to even get serviced, so

699
00:42:49.760 --> 00:42:52.280
I carry it. I usually just leave it in the

700
00:42:52.280 --> 00:42:55.119
trailer or I'll put it in my backpack, but we

701
00:42:55.280 --> 00:42:58.960
mainly I just mainly use that to check trail cameras

702
00:42:59.199 --> 00:43:02.280
if we had any up or if I do harvest

703
00:43:02.320 --> 00:43:04.760
an animal, I definitely want to take pictures of that

704
00:43:05.000 --> 00:43:07.320
or have my dad snap a photo of me next

705
00:43:07.360 --> 00:43:10.400
to it. But believe it or not, that was the

706
00:43:10.480 --> 00:43:12.280
last thing that went through my mind.

707
00:43:14.280 --> 00:43:19.119
When you were looking through your optics at this if

708
00:43:19.159 --> 00:43:22.719
you were in a situation where you could have taken

709
00:43:22.760 --> 00:43:25.480
a shot, is it a thing where you would have

710
00:43:25.800 --> 00:43:29.599
or there's that's not a not an option at all

711
00:43:29.760 --> 00:43:30.760
based on what you saw.

712
00:43:31.840 --> 00:43:35.199
No, that wasn't an option at all. Getting it. Being

713
00:43:35.239 --> 00:43:39.239
around hunting, growing up around hunting, now being immersed in

714
00:43:39.320 --> 00:43:42.280
it myself, you don't take a shot at something new

715
00:43:42.320 --> 00:43:44.199
you're not one hundred percent sure of what it is.

716
00:43:45.079 --> 00:43:48.480
And we were there hunting deer, and that was definitely

717
00:43:48.480 --> 00:43:51.039
not a deer, So that wasn't even a thought that

718
00:43:51.079 --> 00:43:52.760
had gone through my head at all.

719
00:43:55.920 --> 00:43:58.280
That makes sense. It sounds like you start doing a

720
00:43:58.320 --> 00:44:02.039
lot of research. You know where that exact area is.

721
00:44:02.239 --> 00:44:05.320
Did you look to see if there had been any

722
00:44:05.360 --> 00:44:08.280
other sightings or encounters in that same area?

723
00:44:09.719 --> 00:44:15.400
I did not. I was told by my dad and

724
00:44:15.519 --> 00:44:19.440
this is the second hand stree and he just had

725
00:44:19.480 --> 00:44:22.679
told it to me, probably about five years ago. But

726
00:44:22.800 --> 00:44:25.280
there was another gentleman that comes from the same city

727
00:44:25.639 --> 00:44:28.760
where I live in and he used to hunt with

728
00:44:28.840 --> 00:44:30.559
my dad and a group of the other guys. That's

729
00:44:30.559 --> 00:44:33.599
how my dad got started with some older hunters had

730
00:44:33.599 --> 00:44:35.320
taken them up to that area. I showed them kind

731
00:44:35.360 --> 00:44:37.639
of the ropes of all the areas and where deers

732
00:44:37.679 --> 00:44:42.920
are usually at, and he was up on the side

733
00:44:43.159 --> 00:44:47.199
of this mountain and same thing. We try to go

734
00:44:47.280 --> 00:44:50.400
in and get there as close to daylight as possible

735
00:44:50.920 --> 00:44:52.639
and try to get in our spot where we want

736
00:44:52.679 --> 00:44:56.079
to be as close to daylight before anything moves. And

737
00:44:56.360 --> 00:45:01.199
he had said that he saw something wrong run across

738
00:45:01.239 --> 00:45:03.320
the side of this hill which was really steep because

739
00:45:03.320 --> 00:45:06.199
I've been on that hill a bunch of times myself,

740
00:45:06.360 --> 00:45:09.079
and said that it was absolutely flying on the side

741
00:45:09.119 --> 00:45:11.360
of this hill and moving out of speed that there

742
00:45:11.480 --> 00:45:14.679
was just not humanly capable. And in that area there's

743
00:45:14.719 --> 00:45:18.320
a lot of volcanic rock and there's a lot of shale,

744
00:45:18.480 --> 00:45:21.039
and he said that it was just moving through there

745
00:45:21.079 --> 00:45:24.280
like it was nothing like it was on flat ground. Essentially.

746
00:45:25.440 --> 00:45:33.239
That's really interesting. Yeah, definitely adds another side to it

747
00:45:33.320 --> 00:45:37.880
for sure. So before we had taken a small detour

748
00:45:38.159 --> 00:45:42.239
back to talk about your initial sighting, we were talking

749
00:45:42.280 --> 00:45:45.159
about the tent camping, and we talked about that for

750
00:45:45.280 --> 00:45:48.920
a little bit. Are there any other interesting things that

751
00:45:48.960 --> 00:45:51.360
you've noticed over the years as well besides that?

752
00:45:52.719 --> 00:45:57.719
Yeah, So we also hounted another area that's a little

753
00:45:57.760 --> 00:46:01.760
closer to the city that I live in. So for context,

754
00:46:02.079 --> 00:46:04.519
the area where my first sighting occurred at is about

755
00:46:04.519 --> 00:46:06.280
three and a half hours away from the city that

756
00:46:06.320 --> 00:46:09.760
I live in. But we also go to this other

757
00:46:09.800 --> 00:46:12.599
area that's on the backside. Essentially, we come in from

758
00:46:12.639 --> 00:46:15.840
the backside of the ski resort and we drop down

759
00:46:15.880 --> 00:46:17.920
on the on top of the ridge, and if you

760
00:46:18.000 --> 00:46:20.280
look far down below, about a thousand yards, you can

761
00:46:20.280 --> 00:46:24.239
see the lodge, parking lot all that area. But if

762
00:46:24.239 --> 00:46:25.880
you stay on that ridge line, you have a bunch

763
00:46:25.920 --> 00:46:29.440
of slopes going down underneath you that all converge down

764
00:46:29.480 --> 00:46:32.400
at the base of the ski resort. And we always

765
00:46:32.440 --> 00:46:34.159
stay on that ridge line, and there's a couple of

766
00:46:34.159 --> 00:46:38.360
game trails that are about forty to fifty yards below

767
00:46:38.400 --> 00:46:40.440
the top of that ridge that we see deers first

768
00:46:40.440 --> 00:46:43.159
singing in the morning right before dark as well, they'll

769
00:46:43.199 --> 00:46:46.880
be cutting across there, So me and my dad were

770
00:46:46.920 --> 00:46:49.599
posted up there in the afternoon. Usually we take off

771
00:46:49.599 --> 00:46:52.639
from camp at about depending on how the weather is

772
00:46:52.760 --> 00:46:56.199
that season. If it's abnormally warm, we'll wait a little

773
00:46:56.199 --> 00:46:58.159
bit later to take off from camp to go up

774
00:46:58.199 --> 00:47:00.679
the trailer and go on the backside of the skiers

775
00:47:00.679 --> 00:47:03.800
aren't dropped down on it. And we were just sitting

776
00:47:04.199 --> 00:47:06.559
on one of the runs, so imagine the top of

777
00:47:06.559 --> 00:47:08.280
the run where the ski lift lets you out at

778
00:47:08.880 --> 00:47:11.199
and you strap your gearings. Sometimes there's a little bench

779
00:47:11.280 --> 00:47:13.719
right there or different trail markers up at that area.

780
00:47:14.599 --> 00:47:18.440
We're looking down the run and we've seen deer crossing

781
00:47:19.519 --> 00:47:24.800
about halfway down this area, this specific ski run that

782
00:47:24.840 --> 00:47:28.960
we look at, and we started hearing crashing of something

783
00:47:29.000 --> 00:47:31.920
that sounded like and we made a joke even at first,

784
00:47:32.000 --> 00:47:35.760
is what is there a dinosaur cup going through this thicket?

785
00:47:36.000 --> 00:47:39.320
So between ski runs you have the opening clearings and

786
00:47:39.400 --> 00:47:41.920
generally you have tree areas where people will do tree

787
00:47:42.000 --> 00:47:44.760
riding or they haven't carved it out down the center yet,

788
00:47:46.280 --> 00:47:49.280
and we just noticed there was just a lot of

789
00:47:49.400 --> 00:47:52.480
crashing and there was trees in that area that we're

790
00:47:52.519 --> 00:47:56.639
probably thirty feet tall that were actually swaying back and forth,

791
00:48:00.320 --> 00:48:06.599
which I mean bears go through areas when they scratch

792
00:48:06.639 --> 00:48:10.440
against trees or they push against stuff. But whatever this was,

793
00:48:10.519 --> 00:48:14.079
it was in this that was in the trees between

794
00:48:14.079 --> 00:48:18.559
the runs, was absolutely sounded absolutely massive.

795
00:48:25.320 --> 00:48:27.840
I must have been the weirdest thing. Ever, To be honest,

796
00:48:29.760 --> 00:48:32.400
tree just start swaying and the crashing going on.

797
00:48:32.599 --> 00:48:35.599
I don't know if yes, I know, I know. And

798
00:48:35.760 --> 00:48:38.079
the problem is being a hunter and stuff. I'm not

799
00:48:38.079 --> 00:48:40.920
sure if you've been around hunters much or around that culture,

800
00:48:40.960 --> 00:48:44.679
but you always want to think that you're the top

801
00:48:44.719 --> 00:48:46.760
dogs in the mountains. You want to think you're the

802
00:48:46.800 --> 00:48:50.960
alf of this out there. But and so it's you

803
00:48:51.159 --> 00:48:53.719
try not to be like, oh man, I'm spooked or

804
00:48:54.480 --> 00:48:57.559
showing too much fear. But that was definitely weird. I

805
00:48:57.599 --> 00:49:01.280
was just hoping that whatever was inside that area did

806
00:49:01.320 --> 00:49:04.960
not pop out or come towards us, because whatever it

807
00:49:05.000 --> 00:49:07.280
was sounded absolutely massive.

808
00:49:08.039 --> 00:49:08.599
That's wild.

809
00:49:10.360 --> 00:49:21.320
Yeah. A funny side note, Jeremiah, I okay, so I

810
00:49:21.320 --> 00:49:24.440
know you're familiar with the Missing Four in One series. Yep.

811
00:49:24.840 --> 00:49:25.400
Absolutely.

812
00:49:25.800 --> 00:49:28.960
The data politis all that he had a part that

813
00:49:30.159 --> 00:49:32.480
had the Sierra Sounds in it on I'm not sure

814
00:49:32.480 --> 00:49:36.360
which volume it is. Well, come to find out, two

815
00:49:36.440 --> 00:49:41.280
of the guys that recorded the Sierra Sounds were lived

816
00:49:41.320 --> 00:49:46.639
in the same city that I did, in California.

817
00:49:48.199 --> 00:49:49.800
Oh oh that's cool. Okay.

818
00:49:50.079 --> 00:49:53.679
Yeah, And this is the even crazier part about it

819
00:49:53.719 --> 00:49:56.360
is one of the guys, which he hasn't gone on

820
00:49:56.559 --> 00:49:59.760
to Ron Moore, I don't know if uls will say

821
00:49:59.760 --> 00:50:02.599
that he has gone on different shows.

822
00:50:02.639 --> 00:50:04.760
One of the guys has gone on different shows and

823
00:50:04.840 --> 00:50:08.039
been on documentaries. Another one of the hunters that was

824
00:50:08.079 --> 00:50:14.440
with him ended up being the my parents bought the house,

825
00:50:14.760 --> 00:50:18.920
brought the land from him that they built their house on.

826
00:50:20.159 --> 00:50:23.840
Really yeah, And the weirdest thing is I've seen him around.

827
00:50:23.880 --> 00:50:26.159
I still see him to this day driving around with

828
00:50:26.199 --> 00:50:29.320
his wife. And they never broadcast to day or anything.

829
00:50:29.400 --> 00:50:32.039
We had no clue and we're watching this documentary and

830
00:50:32.079 --> 00:50:35.320
we're like, wait, we know these two guys right here,

831
00:50:35.360 --> 00:50:39.039
and one of them his house. I can literally almost

832
00:50:39.039 --> 00:50:41.480
see from my parents' house the back of his property,

833
00:50:41.519 --> 00:50:42.400
at least I could see.

834
00:50:42.880 --> 00:50:45.599
So you're definitely not talking about Ron Moorehead. And that's

835
00:50:45.679 --> 00:50:48.480
public knowledge, like Ron More. Everyone knows about Ron Moorehead,

836
00:50:48.880 --> 00:50:53.960
but you're talking yeah.

837
00:50:51.840 --> 00:50:54.760
Yeah, And my dad actually didn't know Ron too. But

838
00:50:54.880 --> 00:50:56.920
one of the other hunters that was with him, and

839
00:50:56.960 --> 00:51:01.280
he there's pictures of him on that documentary and they

840
00:51:01.320 --> 00:51:04.800
don't name him specifically, but we definitely know who he is. Obviously,

841
00:51:04.840 --> 00:51:09.760
he's been on Our City forever but that's yeah. To

842
00:51:09.800 --> 00:51:11.559
this day, I ride bikes and stuff and I see

843
00:51:11.639 --> 00:51:13.559
him out mowing his yard and stuff, and I really

844
00:51:13.599 --> 00:51:15.039
want to go up to him and talk to him,

845
00:51:15.039 --> 00:51:18.639
but he's an old school cowboy type of guy, and

846
00:51:18.800 --> 00:51:21.000
I just don't know how he's gonna respond to it, really.

847
00:51:21.639 --> 00:51:25.400
So I'll say this, if you ever feel so inclined

848
00:51:25.480 --> 00:51:29.519
and you do see him and you want to go

849
00:51:29.599 --> 00:51:33.239
on a quest for this podcast, if you feel so inclined,

850
00:51:33.320 --> 00:51:36.079
you could, if you do, strike up a conversation with

851
00:51:36.199 --> 00:51:39.199
him and let him know, Hey, if he ever does

852
00:51:39.239 --> 00:51:42.679
want to talk about what happened during that time on

853
00:51:42.719 --> 00:51:46.119
a podcast, I would love to interview this gentleman. It's

854
00:51:46.320 --> 00:51:49.320
I don't think he's ever been I don't think he's

855
00:51:49.320 --> 00:51:51.280
ever been interviewed. I can't even think of what the

856
00:51:51.360 --> 00:51:52.079
guy's name.

857
00:51:52.039 --> 00:51:55.599
Is, but he hasn't. He has not, not that I know.

858
00:51:55.719 --> 00:51:58.320
You know, I've done a lot of research, and it's

859
00:51:58.360 --> 00:51:59.960
just so wild to me that one of the guys

860
00:52:00.039 --> 00:52:06.800
as it was involved with probably the premiere recording, never

861
00:52:07.079 --> 00:52:08.679
went on the record really or anything.

862
00:52:09.440 --> 00:52:12.639
That's wild. That's a huge synchronicity that you actually know

863
00:52:12.679 --> 00:52:15.719
who the dude is and there's that connection with the

864
00:52:16.079 --> 00:52:20.719
purchasing of property, and yeah, I know, if it has happened,

865
00:52:20.760 --> 00:52:23.239
that would be wild if he would ever go on

866
00:52:23.360 --> 00:52:24.679
record and chat about.

867
00:52:24.599 --> 00:52:27.000
Yeah, I know, I definitely could. I write bikes with

868
00:52:27.119 --> 00:52:29.280
one of my friends around here a lot on the weekends,

869
00:52:29.280 --> 00:52:32.280
and he's always out every Saturday from his yard and

870
00:52:32.320 --> 00:52:34.360
I always want to stop, but usually wear in the

871
00:52:34.360 --> 00:52:37.960
middle of a bike ride, and it's you just don't

872
00:52:38.000 --> 00:52:39.639
know how to approach these type of things. It isn't

873
00:52:39.679 --> 00:52:41.760
like a conversation where I can just start out with that.

874
00:52:41.920 --> 00:52:43.440
Got to create a little bit of rapport.

875
00:52:46.079 --> 00:52:49.519
That's an interesting conversation to just really launch into.

876
00:52:50.840 --> 00:52:53.920
Yeah, and he's closer with my dad, as in they've

877
00:52:53.960 --> 00:52:57.199
known each other for years. But I've always how I've

878
00:52:57.239 --> 00:53:00.480
been so interested in the topic. I've always been like, man,

879
00:53:00.599 --> 00:53:02.800
if I could just talk to him and just hear

880
00:53:03.079 --> 00:53:06.360
his first hand experience of that, it would be absolutely amazing.

881
00:53:06.639 --> 00:53:09.440
Jordan, this is what you gotta do. You gotta get

882
00:53:09.480 --> 00:53:12.360
your dad involved. Your dad is the key to this,

883
00:53:12.519 --> 00:53:15.719
because it seems like they've been buddy for years and

884
00:53:15.800 --> 00:53:18.840
your dad's big too, right, or he's been you.

885
00:53:18.800 --> 00:53:21.079
Know, and that's the funny thing is when all this

886
00:53:21.360 --> 00:53:25.199
had gone down years ago, and we kept it sure

887
00:53:25.320 --> 00:53:27.760
every so often we talk about it, and I noticed

888
00:53:27.800 --> 00:53:30.480
little by little he started getting a lot more involved

889
00:53:30.679 --> 00:53:32.760
in the last couple of years. As far as I

890
00:53:32.840 --> 00:53:36.360
catch it, he would be watching stuff on YouTube before

891
00:53:36.400 --> 00:53:38.320
he moved. When they moved out of state, he would

892
00:53:38.400 --> 00:53:40.599
be watching stuff on YouTube and go over their house

893
00:53:40.679 --> 00:53:43.480
and he was watching a documentary or Missing Fall and

894
00:53:43.519 --> 00:53:47.440
long and stuff, And I noticed it. Definitely, he's definitely

895
00:53:47.440 --> 00:53:49.480
gotten a lot more open minded than I thought he

896
00:53:49.480 --> 00:53:50.840
would ever be about the top pick.

897
00:53:52.639 --> 00:53:55.440
Absolutely, my that was quite the rabbit trail we just

898
00:53:55.480 --> 00:53:58.440
went on. But I'm glad we went cool.

899
00:53:58.639 --> 00:54:01.519
I know, I know. I was just a little note

900
00:54:01.519 --> 00:54:04.199
about that, and it's just a it's just a weird

901
00:54:04.199 --> 00:54:07.719
little tidbit that it because and a lot of old

902
00:54:07.840 --> 00:54:10.039
a lot of the older hunters around this area that

903
00:54:10.079 --> 00:54:12.119
I've come in contact with my dad and stuff, they

904
00:54:12.119 --> 00:54:15.000
would always tell it like almost like an urban legend.

905
00:54:15.119 --> 00:54:18.559
There's some guys from this area that have gone hunting

906
00:54:19.000 --> 00:54:21.920
up by and they had a bunch of mysterious things

907
00:54:21.960 --> 00:54:25.199
happened to them, and they had a record. They never

908
00:54:25.239 --> 00:54:27.719
said anything about recording audio, which was really weird too,

909
00:54:27.719 --> 00:54:30.239
and it was almost like a like an urban legend

910
00:54:30.320 --> 00:54:32.599
you tell everybody like, oh, and I never knew who

911
00:54:32.639 --> 00:54:35.280
the guys were until I saw that documentary, and neither

912
00:54:35.320 --> 00:54:37.599
did my dad, which is really all.

913
00:54:37.880 --> 00:54:40.480
So you're saying, like the recording of the SIRA sounds

914
00:54:40.519 --> 00:54:43.599
were some like local legend you would hear and then

915
00:54:43.639 --> 00:54:46.119
you realized it's a huge part of big for history.

916
00:54:46.199 --> 00:54:48.039
Holy mackerel, Yep, yep.

917
00:54:48.159 --> 00:54:51.760
Exactly when we would say, my dad would tell me, Yeah,

918
00:54:51.800 --> 00:54:54.199
there's some guys that had gone up to the high

919
00:54:54.239 --> 00:54:56.519
country and they had this stupid little honeyhole that they've

920
00:54:56.559 --> 00:54:59.880
always been hunting out of on horseback. And I assumed

921
00:55:00.159 --> 00:55:03.000
it was an actual cabin, not like a lean to

922
00:55:03.159 --> 00:55:06.000
or structure that was just built out there. I thought

923
00:55:06.000 --> 00:55:07.840
it was a cabin. And we had heard stuff that

924
00:55:07.960 --> 00:55:10.320
something was pounding on the side of their cabin and

925
00:55:10.880 --> 00:55:15.199
something spooked their horses and all these different things, and

926
00:55:15.239 --> 00:55:17.559
then come to find it and find out the real story.

927
00:55:17.599 --> 00:55:20.800
It was just it was amazing. Honestly, I couldn't believe that,

928
00:55:21.280 --> 00:55:23.360
you know, Like I said, I almost want to get

929
00:55:23.360 --> 00:55:26.480
an autograph from this guy and have it somewhere in

930
00:55:26.519 --> 00:55:27.000
my house.

931
00:55:28.119 --> 00:55:31.039
Oh, that would be that'd be so cool. Get somewhere

932
00:55:31.039 --> 00:55:33.039
in the sierras. I believe it is how they Yeah,

933
00:55:33.119 --> 00:55:36.159
but I think it's not many people know the exact

934
00:55:36.199 --> 00:55:39.239
location of where it actually happened.

935
00:55:39.199 --> 00:55:41.199
And I think only those gentlemen do, you know. And

936
00:55:41.239 --> 00:55:43.199
I think one of them wrong took his wife there.

937
00:55:43.840 --> 00:55:46.719
But other than that, they that's pretty much there. At

938
00:55:46.760 --> 00:55:48.519
the time when it was, when they were allowing them

939
00:55:48.519 --> 00:55:50.960
to be up, there was an area only a couple

940
00:55:50.960 --> 00:55:51.840
of those guys knew.

941
00:55:52.880 --> 00:55:55.599
It's just it's wild to think that like the guys

942
00:55:55.599 --> 00:55:58.159
from that generation that would have been, like the guys

943
00:55:58.159 --> 00:56:01.239
like Ron that went out during that time in the seventies,

944
00:56:01.280 --> 00:56:03.920
those guys are almost gone. That's why I trying to

945
00:56:03.960 --> 00:56:09.360
take this interviewing people extremely serious, especially when it's the

946
00:56:09.440 --> 00:56:13.079
older generation where they start talking about how they were

947
00:56:13.119 --> 00:56:15.960
going out in the late seventies. Those guys, yeah, it's

948
00:56:16.000 --> 00:56:19.360
almost even the guys in the nineties they're getting old too,

949
00:56:19.400 --> 00:56:21.400
man that were researching.

950
00:56:21.000 --> 00:56:24.639
So I know, and it's just those guys I didn't

951
00:56:24.679 --> 00:56:27.079
realize that they literally paved the way for all of

952
00:56:27.119 --> 00:56:31.239
this stuff nowadays. And of course the average person that

953
00:56:31.360 --> 00:56:33.400
isn't into the topic isn't really going to know this.

954
00:56:33.559 --> 00:56:36.559
But those guys are, essentially, to me, some of the

955
00:56:36.559 --> 00:56:38.920
founding fathers of a lot of this research.

956
00:56:39.559 --> 00:56:43.119
I would agree, if you had the chance to see

957
00:56:43.360 --> 00:56:46.119
what you saw that one day again, would you want

958
00:56:46.159 --> 00:56:47.639
to see that again?

959
00:56:50.079 --> 00:56:55.039
And partially part of me wants to, But the other

960
00:56:55.119 --> 00:56:58.159
part of me knows exactly what I saw that day,

961
00:56:58.800 --> 00:57:01.480
so it's not like I need call information of any sorts.

962
00:57:02.599 --> 00:57:06.800
It would be nice, But then again, after learning about

963
00:57:07.039 --> 00:57:10.360
different sightings and encounters, I don't necessarily want to be

964
00:57:10.360 --> 00:57:14.159
close to something like that, or I don't want to

965
00:57:14.199 --> 00:57:16.840
have some of these encounters where things are getting thrown

966
00:57:16.880 --> 00:57:21.519
at me, or I hear something going around our trailer

967
00:57:21.599 --> 00:57:24.039
at night or around our ten at night. I don't

968
00:57:24.039 --> 00:57:27.920
want anything like that. Now from a hill with maybe

969
00:57:27.920 --> 00:57:31.440
a spotting scope or my binocular a good four or

970
00:57:31.519 --> 00:57:34.519
five hundred yards away at least would be ideal. But

971
00:57:34.679 --> 00:57:37.480
that's about as close as I really want to get

972
00:57:37.519 --> 00:57:38.280
to anything like this.

973
00:57:43.480 --> 00:57:45.400
It's extremely interesting.

974
00:57:45.000 --> 00:57:48.320
And then I ask something that this whole event didn't

975
00:57:48.320 --> 00:57:50.679
plague me for years, but it always has been in

976
00:57:50.719 --> 00:57:54.119
my mind, and I needed to get some type of clarity,

977
00:57:54.159 --> 00:57:57.559
and I went to I go to church and I'm

978
00:57:57.559 --> 00:58:01.920
a believer, and I went to a pastor that I'm

979
00:58:02.119 --> 00:58:06.119
very comfortable sharing stuff with and I trust his guidance,

980
00:58:06.760 --> 00:58:12.000
and he had interesting take on it that did both

981
00:58:12.039 --> 00:58:15.239
in my eyes to stuff or it definitely sparked a

982
00:58:15.480 --> 00:58:20.760
different way of thinking about the whole event. And he

983
00:58:20.960 --> 00:58:24.639
essentially said that there's a spiritual realm that's around us

984
00:58:25.679 --> 00:58:29.960
and very so offt in that veil is thin enough

985
00:58:30.000 --> 00:58:32.960
to where people see stuff. You know that these are

986
00:58:33.000 --> 00:58:37.400
occurrences that happen all the time, but for whatever reason,

987
00:58:38.400 --> 00:58:42.559
certain people are able to view these things happening. And

988
00:58:42.639 --> 00:58:45.360
the reason that I kind of resonated with me was

989
00:58:45.400 --> 00:58:50.119
because as the sun continued to rise that morning, I

990
00:58:50.199 --> 00:58:53.840
didn't it should have been more visible, and instead it

991
00:58:53.880 --> 00:58:56.639
did the exact opposite, or it just vanished as if

992
00:58:57.559 --> 00:59:00.440
it was almost supernatural. Sense.

993
00:59:02.960 --> 00:59:07.320
So, does that mean then that as the sun rose,

994
00:59:07.360 --> 00:59:11.000
you actually saw the creature start to disappear in front

995
00:59:11.000 --> 00:59:11.599
of your eyes.

996
00:59:12.719 --> 00:59:16.480
No, not in that aspect, It was just every so

997
00:59:16.639 --> 00:59:19.800
often I kept I like, went and grabbed my bow

998
00:59:19.920 --> 00:59:23.000
real quick and was loading up the vehicle. But in

999
00:59:23.039 --> 00:59:25.519
the meantime loading up the back of my bed's jeep.

1000
00:59:25.599 --> 00:59:27.559
But in the meantime, I was keeping an eye on

1001
00:59:27.559 --> 00:59:30.480
that same area, the same area, and I stepped away

1002
00:59:30.480 --> 00:59:33.559
for a second to get my bow set up and

1003
00:59:33.800 --> 00:59:35.760
make sure my earths were all secured in the quiver,

1004
00:59:35.960 --> 00:59:38.559
and then put it on my backpack and set it

1005
00:59:38.599 --> 00:59:40.159
in the back of the jeep because we were actually

1006
00:59:40.199 --> 00:59:43.719
going to the hunt off this trailhead that's about a

1007
00:59:43.800 --> 00:59:46.360
quarter of a mile away from camp. And when I

1008
00:59:46.400 --> 00:59:49.079
turned back around, it was just completely gone, as if

1009
00:59:49.119 --> 00:59:52.559
nothing was there at all, and nothing it was the

1010
00:59:52.559 --> 00:59:53.199
oughtest thing.

1011
00:59:56.679 --> 00:59:57.840
That is very odd.

1012
00:59:58.920 --> 01:00:01.000
Yeah, it's just but you know, well, that's happened before

1013
01:00:01.119 --> 01:00:06.280
with a really big buck, or sometimes you see wildlife

1014
01:00:06.320 --> 01:00:09.079
and it's just in and out quick. It's almost if

1015
01:00:09.079 --> 01:00:11.920
you saw a ghost, but except this thing was tall

1016
01:00:12.000 --> 01:00:13.440
walking towards a lake.

1017
01:00:19.000 --> 01:00:29.239
So personally, yourself, have you come have you decided what

1018
01:00:29.320 --> 01:00:32.360
you feel a bigfoot is yourself?

1019
01:00:32.400 --> 01:00:40.119
Then that's a pretty tough question for me. All its

1020
01:00:40.159 --> 01:00:43.519
movements and what it was doing one hundred percent reminded

1021
01:00:43.559 --> 01:00:47.639
me of an animal going to a lake to get

1022
01:00:47.679 --> 01:00:50.800
water the first thing in the morning. But then the

1023
01:00:50.840 --> 01:00:53.119
part that has me stumped is the part of how

1024
01:00:53.159 --> 01:00:56.079
it just seemed like it seemed to just vanish into

1025
01:00:56.719 --> 01:01:02.679
thin air. At the end of it all, I know

1026
01:01:02.719 --> 01:01:05.559
there's two different there's two different camps, so to speak,

1027
01:01:05.599 --> 01:01:07.480
and one is that it's a physical creature and then

1028
01:01:07.480 --> 01:01:11.599
the other one is the whole wu and supernatural aspect.

1029
01:01:11.840 --> 01:01:15.400
But it had aspects of both for me and my encounter.

1030
01:01:17.159 --> 01:01:21.840
And what I'm how I'm starting to feel personally the

1031
01:01:21.840 --> 01:01:24.519
more I get into this is that I don't think

1032
01:01:24.519 --> 01:01:28.679
it's out of the question to have a physical creature

1033
01:01:28.719 --> 01:01:32.519
that maybe can do weird stuff that we just don't

1034
01:01:32.599 --> 01:01:35.760
understand in science yet that yeah, you know.

1035
01:01:37.119 --> 01:01:42.159
Yeah, that'sir And the more that I research along the

1036
01:01:42.199 --> 01:01:45.519
same camp, there's just things we don't understand, and I'm

1037
01:01:45.519 --> 01:01:48.199
okay with that. And maybe as time goes on, people

1038
01:01:48.239 --> 01:01:52.599
will there will be more science or it'll be accepted

1039
01:01:52.679 --> 01:01:54.320
that animals can do this or that.

1040
01:01:56.679 --> 01:02:00.639
Absolutely, we know that some animals can influence or prey

1041
01:02:00.800 --> 01:02:04.760
using infrasound to make them scared or not be able

1042
01:02:04.800 --> 01:02:09.360
to run, and honestly, I think that this creature can

1043
01:02:09.440 --> 01:02:12.280
also do that. And it's one of the scariest things

1044
01:02:12.559 --> 01:02:15.360
to think that a creature that large can do that,

1045
01:02:15.599 --> 01:02:18.559
but we're just we're learning more about it, and it

1046
01:02:18.599 --> 01:02:22.239
feels every answer we get there's two more questions, but

1047
01:02:22.400 --> 01:02:24.000
that's part of the research of it.

1048
01:02:24.119 --> 01:02:28.000
So yeah, I definitely agree on that.

1049
01:02:29.960 --> 01:02:34.599
But Jordan, it's been a real pleasure talking to you tonight,

1050
01:02:34.599 --> 01:02:39.760
and I'm so glad you're able to share your account

1051
01:02:40.119 --> 01:02:43.880
with a listener base and be able to feel comfortable

1052
01:02:44.000 --> 01:02:46.199
enough to be able to do that. Did you have

1053
01:02:46.239 --> 01:02:50.480
any more closing thoughts before we wrapped up our time

1054
01:02:50.519 --> 01:02:51.039
here tonight?

1055
01:02:53.519 --> 01:02:56.559
Yeah? Some things is it's great the guys like to

1056
01:02:56.639 --> 01:02:59.159
use a couple other guys that I follow and listen

1057
01:02:59.199 --> 01:03:02.199
to podcasts have a platform like this where you're able

1058
01:03:02.280 --> 01:03:06.280
to discuss things and not feel like you're being judged

1059
01:03:06.320 --> 01:03:10.960
about them. Is definitely something that I appreciate, and in

1060
01:03:11.000 --> 01:03:13.079
a lot of the fields and the field actually that

1061
01:03:13.119 --> 01:03:17.079
I currently work with, I've tried to have discussions with

1062
01:03:17.119 --> 01:03:20.880
certain people and a lot of times it's just brushed off,

1063
01:03:21.000 --> 01:03:24.599
or people make a smart comment regarding it, and you

1064
01:03:24.639 --> 01:03:27.519
can tell that they don't really think it's serious, or

1065
01:03:28.519 --> 01:03:30.679
there's just to them, there's no way that any of

1066
01:03:30.679 --> 01:03:34.800
this could be really but it's just really important to

1067
01:03:35.119 --> 01:03:39.559
have a place to actually discuss stuff like this, and

1068
01:03:39.719 --> 01:03:42.880
it definitely helps when you have a good support group

1069
01:03:42.960 --> 01:03:47.679
around you, as in my girlfriend is very encouraging about

1070
01:03:47.719 --> 01:03:50.440
it all and she doesn't write it off as just

1071
01:03:50.480 --> 01:03:53.880
being some tall tale or whopper story on same thing

1072
01:03:53.960 --> 01:03:58.360
with my parents, and you know, my dad has also

1073
01:03:58.920 --> 01:04:02.440
been very open minded and hey, actually helped me recall

1074
01:04:02.760 --> 01:04:05.880
or mention some different things that happened along the years,

1075
01:04:06.880 --> 01:04:09.480
or a couple of the different things that happened, and

1076
01:04:09.760 --> 01:04:10.639
that was just huge.

1077
01:04:13.360 --> 01:04:17.239
It's extremely important to have a support base like that,

1078
01:04:17.280 --> 01:04:19.519
So I'm so happy to hear that you actually do

1079
01:04:19.639 --> 01:04:23.679
have that. Not everyone is lucky enough to have that

1080
01:04:24.039 --> 01:04:27.599
support base, especially from people that they're related to and

1081
01:04:27.639 --> 01:04:28.880
that love them as well.

1082
01:04:28.920 --> 01:04:34.519
But yeah, but I still don't. I still keep it

1083
01:04:34.679 --> 01:04:36.800
pretty close to the chest, and this isn't something that

1084
01:04:36.960 --> 01:04:40.760
I just will discuss with anybody. But at the same time,

1085
01:04:40.880 --> 01:04:43.960
it is good to have a closest people in your

1086
01:04:44.000 --> 01:04:47.440
life that are at least willing to hear and not

1087
01:04:47.519 --> 01:04:50.800
just write you off as being crazy or not knowing

1088
01:04:50.840 --> 01:04:52.280
what you saw right out the gate.

1089
01:04:53.920 --> 01:04:57.840
Absolutely, again, Jordan, thank you for coming on the show.

1090
01:04:58.440 --> 01:05:03.840
If you happen. To have anything else interesting happen in

1091
01:05:03.880 --> 01:05:06.559
future years, feel free to reach back out to me.

1092
01:05:06.719 --> 01:05:09.000
And it's been a pleasure chatting with you tonight.

1093
01:05:10.320 --> 01:05:14.280
Yeah, absolutely, and I definitely will.

1094
01:05:14.480 --> 01:05:16.760
Before we wrap this episode, I want to say something

1095
01:05:16.840 --> 01:05:20.039
directly to a very specific group of listeners. If you're

1096
01:05:20.039 --> 01:05:23.800
in the military, any branch or forces, and if you've

1097
01:05:23.840 --> 01:05:26.679
seen something that no one can explain, or if you're

1098
01:05:26.719 --> 01:05:30.000
a National park ranger or forestry worker who's been told

1099
01:05:30.000 --> 01:05:33.000
to stay quiet, or if you're a pilot who's seen

1100
01:05:33.079 --> 01:05:36.320
something strange down on the ground, or if you're with

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1102
01:05:40.039 --> 01:05:43.159
stumbled upon something you're not allowed to talk about. And

1103
01:05:43.199 --> 01:05:46.559
if you're a firefighter, paramedic, or search and rescue responder

1104
01:05:46.679 --> 01:05:49.920
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1105
01:05:50.440 --> 01:05:54.280
if you're in the logging industry on a remote oil field,

1106
01:05:54.440 --> 01:05:57.440
or a trucker with government contracts and you've had something

1107
01:05:57.519 --> 01:06:00.960
happen that you've never told a soul. And if you're

1108
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a biologist, a wildlife specialist, or a field researcher under

1109
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1110
01:06:08.760 --> 01:06:11.239
If you're a pastor, a missionary, or someone on a

1111
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spiritual retreat and you saw something that shook your faith.

1112
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Or if you work in the shadows, CIA, NSA or

1113
01:06:18.599 --> 01:06:21.960
anything with clearance and you've seen what the public hasn't,

1114
01:06:23.320 --> 01:06:26.800
then I want to talk to you, even if it's anonymous.

1115
01:06:28.559 --> 01:06:32.119
You can reach me at Bigfoot Society at gmail dot com.

1116
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1117
01:06:35.000 --> 01:06:40.920
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1118
01:06:41.320 --> 01:06:45.159
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1119
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1120
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