Revenge of the Sierra Sasquatch!

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0:44 He's from California. He's had some really interesting things that have happened over the year. So, Jordan, I'm so glad that we are on the phone together tonight and we're able to have this conversation. I'm gonna let you go ahead and take it from here. My friend sounds good. Well, first thought, Jeremiah I just wanted to say thank you for giving a platform for people to get experiences off their chest, you know, and just discuss these things. But to start off, I'm thirty seven years old. I have been hunting with my dad since about the age ten or eleven. Kind of always been a little tag along at first, and then I got into it for myself about a decade ago. Had an old boss that actually gave me one of his hand me down compound bows, and I just fell in love with that aspect of hunting, not really so much rifle hunting, but just fell in love with being in the outdoors. I like hiking, hunting, you know, of course camping, everything that goes along with it, you know, and just getting appreciate your nature. Basically, my dad and me have been hunting at the same spot for about the last ten or eleven years in northern California, and it is about, i want to say, about

2:15 an hour an hour and a half from South Lake Tahoe, which a lot of people will be familiar with that area, and we always would go up a day or two before opening weekend of our tree season, get set up, get camp set up, get the dogs familiar with all the areas, you know, basically just the normal prepping, getting food ready, you know, just ready to go for the opening weekend. So about five point fifteen in the morning is kind of when we step out of the trailer that we camp in and we kind of do our usual just loading our packs up, checking, you know, to make sure we have water. Always got to make sure you have a little toilet paper in your hunting pack just in case.

3:06 Also, you know, we my dad Will he was accompanying me on this trip, and as he usually does, and we started loading our gear up. I'd have to say five point fifteen, like I was saying. And then I always have a habit of once I get on my camel gear on, once I make sure my backpack is stocked up for the day, you know, general, just your supplies, maybe a couple snacks, a couple of granola bars, things like that. I ended up strapping on my binol harness setup, which I carry a little rangefinder that connects on a retractable cord to that. So at that point, son is starting to come up.

3:58 It's got that kind of hazy golden hour, so to speak. Things are starting to come clear. Well, I have a ritual of always checking my binoculars, making sure they're adjusted, making sure I can see things clearly, check my rangefinder, make sure the battery is charged up on that, you know, and I'll generally go through. I'm very routine oriented, so I'll go through sort of a checklist, make sure binoculars set up, rangefinders, good to go, battery wise, it's good to go. And the campsite that we stay at it has lakes, and there's a lower campsite, and then there's a road that cuts in between both lakes, and then there's an upper campsite, which is what we prefer to stay at. But this time, just because it's been getting busier or busier, we were staying at the lower campsite, which I mean, they're all great views. Whether it's beautiful up there, you know, it's gorgeous where we camp at. So in the meantime, I'm talking to my dad, I got my vinyl harness set up on. I'm just checking stuff because we have seen deer actually above the second camp site sometimes in the morning moving. For anybody who's not familiar with deer aunting, right when the sun comes up early morning is usually when

5:30 they move middle of the day. Once it gets warmer, they're bedded down in thickets brush it's very hard to track them, and at evening they come out. So I'm doing my normal scanning the hillside above the upper campsite when I start seeing movement coming out of a thicket of trees headed towards a lake or the lakes that we stay at. So, you know, I'm kind of chatting it up with my dad. We're kind of joking. I think he's eat drinking a little bit of coffee and I'm eating cereal out of a little styrofoam cup or styrofoam bowl. And I started seeing what at first I thought was possibly a bear walking towards the lakes. It continued to travel towards the lakes. But the odd thing was is it was clearly walking bipedal lee upright, and it was also making I could see it stepping over falling trees branches. It just moved very efficiently and it was very comfortable walking upright.

6:53 So it kept heading towards the lakes and I was walking. I was looking at it with the naked eye and then switching in between looking back at it with binoculars. I kept watching it heading closer and closer to the lakes, and the sun is still rising. We're kind of getting a late start on the hunt that morning, so you know, I kind of pushed it out as far as I could, but eventually we had to take off, you know, So I kept watching it as long as we could. It kept heading in the same direction from the hill from the mountain kind of hill above the lakes, headed towards the lakes. Well as the sun's coming up, you know, and we're thinking we got to get in the vehicle, head to the trailhead and take off from there to go hunting for the am.

7:46 The sun keeps coming up, and as it should have been more visible, this upright walking what we assumed was a bear, maybe a hiker, maybe somebody wearing all black, just disappeared. So it was about a i'd say a good one to three minutes that I was watching it, and I just noticed that it was walking really, really well, and it was also going upright, and it was also going through some really thick brush that was I'm guessing two hundred to three hundred yards away from where we were at at the campsite. Whatever it was was very big, and it you know, the weird thing is is when you see something like that, your brain goes through a checklist of what it has to be or things that you know that it has to be. So it went from the discussion that we were having was, oh, it's a bear that has an injured front, Paul that's possibly adapt did really well walking up right, to know, there must be a guy out here that's really tall, wearing all black, has a black hoodie on, and he's also walking through thick brush butt brush headed to these lakes,

9:16 which also didn't really make much sense at the time. So as the morning went on, you know, we kind of discussed it a little bit, and at that point, you know, we were just focusing on the hunt that we had in front of us and hoping we get some action. And as time went on that day, nothing weird happened. Rest of the day, you know, business as usual. We went through our hunts, didn't see anything, but we did get one heck of a workout in. So, you know, in the afternoon, I found myself thinking about it again, and you you know, thinking, okay, maybe it was just a hiker and maybe you know, you see, we've seen weird things while hunting, you know, people that seemed out of place in that area, or people walking through the middle of thickets of trees. They weren't wearing hiking gear, just just different things. You know. I had to go through a checklist multiple times thinking what exactly it was that we saw. Well, a few days passes, and generally we stay about four to five days up there on opening weekend, which is the third weekend of August here in California for our tree season, and my curiosity got the better of me. So later on in that same trip, we end up hiking and hunting the hills

10:50 and mountains directly above the upper campsite I go. I end up deciding to walk over to that area of thickets and brush where we saw something a few mornings before. And I go up to that area and I noticed that it is extremely tall. So the brush that I saw from a distance that didn't seem that tall ended up being at least my guess, six to seven feet at the top. Well, whatever was walking through that area happened to be at least a shoulder and headlength above that brush. So, you know, we thought that was really odd. And then you know, we made jokes that oh, it had to be a retired NBA basketball player was wearing all black, happened to have a black hoodie on, and he decided to walk to the lakes from wherever he was camping. Well after I came to think about it more and more, it just made no sense that somebody would walk through thick brush that contained storms and stuff going to this lake when there's openings on both sides of it, there's areas that people have walked to those lakes, and it just nothing was adding up really about it. And to add another thing about it, you could clearly see what we saw lifting its legs,

12:28 stepping over small brush branches possibly you know, it had such a effortless walk down the side of a fairly steep terrain, which also made me think that it wasn't a hiker and definitely was not anybody a human walking down there. So another weird thing about all this is when it should have been visible when the sun was coming up right before we took off from camp, it had just completely disappeared, like as if the event had never happened, which was pretty crazy to think about and to this day still kind of has me stumped. So we've been hunting up until last year was our last year hunting at this area because my dad ended up moving out of state and he's living in the area now that has some great hunting, So I'll probably be going over there this archery season, but a few seasons later, I would have to say, probably about one, probably a year or two after the main sighting happened, or my first experience happened. We were a tent camping this time instead of staying in a trailer, because we were only going a couple of days and it is pretty difficult to get into the area that we stay at, so we decided, you know, just we're going to dry camp.

14:01 We're gonna head up there, you know, and hopefully make something happen in a few days, instead of saying four or five days like we normally do. During opening weekend, Well about on the first night that we were in camp, same campsite that we always go to, our same same general area, same lakes that we always hunt out during our pre season opening weekend, we hear something about two or three in the morning, and it is very loud, to the point that it wakes me and my dad up from from our dead sleep, and it sounded as almost like a I know this sounds crazy, but it sounded somewhere between a how of a i'll mix with the bark of a dog. And it was just very, very loud.

14:58 So, you know, we we kind of get up in our tent and we're sitting up and we're listening, and it keeps going on. We're guessing that it had to be maybe one hundred one hundred and fifty yards from like the campsite on the Lower Lakes that we were staying at and the hill behind it, and you know, we heard other people getting up, and you know, there was other campers next to us, and you could tell too, you know, you were seeing flashlights turning on and stuff. So we know other people definitely heard that. And I've been in areas where there's mules and donkeys and near pack stations, and they do make noises that are somewhat terrifying at first when you hear or if you're not used to those type of sounds, it can be pretty it's pretty shocking some of the noises that they can make, you know, in the middle of night that you'll hear.

15:56 But where we were staying at, it was there's no horses up there, no mules, and it did not sound like that. I've been, like I said, around horses, mules, donkeys, and that was definitely not what that was. But it was an extremely loud noise that sounded like a combination of multiple animals. And the funny thing is it almost sounded like something that would be off a Jurassic Park, which I thought was really odd. And no animal that's up there makes a noise like that. I mean, you have mountain lions, you have bears, of course, deers, and nothing makes that loud of audible noise. And it had a certain pitch and a tune to it that was just odd. It was very odd to hear it. I have a question, so sorry, yeah, a question real quick. When you heard these noises, were they affecting you in any way mentally physically? Did they make you feel off anything like that? You know.

17:10 The strangest thing is, Jeremiah, when we heard that, it almost had like an effect that made you want to go see what it was, if that makes sense. I know talking about it sounds crazy, but it was really weird. It almost drew you to the sound. And I'm a pretty i would say, a pretty light sleeper, as in effect, if I hear noises and stuff, I'm always a little bit on in the mountains, you know, just being out there and stuff. I always keep an eye to things, you know. And my dad is the exact opposite. He's the guy that you say, hey, what was that, and he's just, you know, I'll go back to sleep. Well, this time it actually will both of us up. And it probably had been going on for ten to fifteen minutes at least before it woke us up, because I remember hearing it while I was asleep, but it was it definitely had an effect on us that wasn't necessarily a scary thing, but more so as in it may just really really intrigued, which I thought was really weird considering the type of noise there. It was that it just wasn't anything I have ever heard ever being in the mountains. So we continued for the you know, like I said, the last ten to eleven years, we've been hunting that same area. Last year was our last season that we were going to be going up there for opening our tree and there is so give a little context

18:41 to this. When you head to the two lakes that we camp at and we hunt out of about forty five minutes up the road, there's a more commercial lake. I'm not commercial, but it's more of a lake that you get a lot of people from the Bay area, a lot of city people go to that lake because it has a regular asphalt road to it. And the lakes that we stay at, you have to travel on a dirt road for probably I can't imagine how many miles, but it's about thirty thirty minutes or just dirt road, and it has switched backs. You know, it's a little more difficult to access. So we decided to drop to drive to that lake, which has a convenience store there in like a little burger spot, really good burgers by the way, but we needed to get some more supplies. I think we were decided to actually make some hamburgers that day and possibly you know, got a couple sodas or maybe your beer two. And so we're headed back on the road and this is probably the middle of the day, I want to say, you know, anywhere from eleven to one o'clock. We're driving back to that lake. And when we get close to the lake, we noticed that there's about fifty government place vehicles tahos, blacked out tahos with government plates on them, which struck us as very very odd in that area because you're good, you know, you're at about seventy five

20:14 one hundred feet eight thousand feet at that lake, which is a little bit lower than where we stay at, and there was a heavy presence of apparently government employees, which you know, it's just odd that either there was you know, somebody a very high profile that was in that area, or there was some reason that they were up there, you know, and considering the things that we've seen heard, it just came. It just you start putting everything together, you know. It just the optics of it were that they were there for some type of reason, and it, you know, to this day, we don't know what exactly it's. It's definitely a very strange coincidence, and it makes you, it makes you wonder, no doubt, especially that many vehicles, you know, I know. And the thing is is when you get to when you get to this lake, there's little areas on both sides of the road where people park at you know, over time, fishermen, people you know that are there for the day, you know, families, they all park on both sides of it. And this wasn't like an incorporated parking lot at the convenience store. It was just on the side of the road. And we noticed so many vehicles on both sides.

21:36 It was it was really, it was really. It makes your head It's a head scratching moment for sure. I would like to take a few minutes and talk about your first initial sighting if that's all right, Yeah, I know that's problem. It's no problem. Yeah, So which is I mean just an incredible like that being your first interaction. You were looking through your rangefinder, right, yeah, rangefinder and binoculars. I'm anybody who knows me, you knows I'm very detail oriented, very routine about things. So in the morning, you know, when I'm getting ready and get and we're getting ready to either take off from camp or drive to some trail heads that we take off from, I always look through my binoculars and my rangefinder, and I go through the binoculars and the brand that I have, you know, has that normal little turntial that is kind of at your you know, center between your eyebrows is where that is located. So I always tend to just check to make sure that it's focused, you know, and adjust it depending on form I'm wearing my reading glasses or my prescription glasses or not. Then I always try to make that make sure that that's all dialed in for before we take off, you know, on the same thing as my rangefinder.

22:57 I just want to make sure that the battery didn't overnight or something was leaning on one of the buttons, you know, when I put it up in my backpack the night before. It's just always have it. I just always want to make sure that my gear is ready to go when I take off from camp or whenever we do that hunt in the morning. Oh, absolutely, which I think is great. Remembering what you saw, I've got a few questions about that. Do you remember were you able to see what the gate of the creature was like, how it was moving, how it was stepping. Yeah, you know, you know. Was really weird about it was that it moves so smoothly going downhill. The only thing that I can compare it to is if you were going down an escalator and you were walking down at the same time that you were going down that escalator. Interesting, Yeah, did you notice anything out of the ordinary. So let's let's pretend we're looking at the we're looking at the legs right, and you've got the my anatomy is not up to par. But the part of the leg that is below the knee, which I believe would be the shin and that area below or above the ankle. Was there anything out of the ordinary about the movement of the creature in that part of the leg? No, not that

24:27 I noticed. But you know, the area that it was traveling through for some portion of the sighting of it did have a lot of thick brush. So for a portion of it, I was just we were just seeing what looked like somebody very tall with a hoodie on all black. That was head and shoulders going through some butt brush is what we kind of call it, which is not a technical term, but you know, sometimes there's some type of berries, you know, when you get to the high country, they have porns, and and so for a portion of it, all I was seeing was you shoulders and head above some very thick brush. And then when it finally did go through that area, you know, and you could kind of see stuff. It just had a very unique look to it. I mean, the gate to it, the walk to it was it almost lifted its each individual foot, like as if you would if you were stepping through mud, or you were trying to shake something off your feet. As you were taking every step, it seemed like it was lifting its legs, like it was stepping over things that were higher then we're on the ground, like as if you were almost doing high knees or exaggerating how you were lifting your feet. Say you were walking over a small branch, and you lifted your knees and feet very very high to go over something small. It just it looked odd. Gotcha when you mentioned that it almost seemed like it was trying

26:00 to shake mud off its legs. Were you able to see the legs at the time when it was making those kind of movements. Yeah, yeah, we could. For I mean, it was probably only about a quarter of the time that I saw it I was able to witness that, and it, you know, at the distance that we were at, which was I'm guessing about two hundred to three hundred yards, it was kind of hard to make out any discernible features. And the really odd thing is is it was so dark that it looked almost like a shadow walking through brush. Okay, gotcha, So it might be a little tough. Like if I was to ask when it was doing the shaking the mud off of its legs, do you remember if the let's say, the way it was walking, was it moving its legs just straightforward or or was it doing a weird motion with its legs when it walked when it was doing the mud shaking. That's kind of hard to say really from what I remember, but I guess the closest thing that I could really compare it to is like the movement is if people at the gym when they go on the stair machine and you see some people that do exaggerated movements when they lift their legs really high. But it was doing that while traveling downhill, which struck me as really odd. Okay, wow,

27:37 that is that is really interesting. You are you a guy who watch watches Bigfoot videos and documentaries and stuff. Yeah, you know, honestly it So this is the backstory behind all this stuff for years. I mean, my dad, he's a no nonsense type of guy. He's the one guy when crap hits the fan that you want to have with you. He's been hunting since he was probably early twenties, you know, And this was four decades later, Okay, three or four decades later, so he you know, he he doesn't. Basically, we kind of made jokes about it.

28:21 And before that point we were I had known about bigfoot, you know, and we changed the channel and you know, you'd find I'm not going to say the exact show, but you find one on and we would kind of make jokes at it or say, like you know, or we thought it was something funny kind of in a way. We never took it serious. And then after the sighting happened that we had, plus some weird stuff that we added up together, it just changed that my outlook at least on everything, and it got me to researching a lot more into that topic, you know, and it's just something you can't shake. It's once you have an experience like that, there's probably, honestly, not one day that goes by.

29:04 I don't think about that in some capacity. Oh absolutely. And I asked that because the really detailed questions I was asking right there is kind of trying to see. I was just curious what you had noticed. Because there's an old documentary called Sasquatch Legends Meet Legend, Meets Science from Doug Hicheck and he has a very detailed part about the supposed gait of a sasquatch, and what you said was very interesting. I don't know if you've never watched that, it would be fa okay, So I think you can find it on YouTube potentially, and I would be very interested if you were to watch that and then contact me back. And there's the especially the part about the gate of the creature and they try to replicate it. I'd be interested to see.

29:53 But moving on, and I also do want to point out that we had talked before hand that this is your first time actually sharing all these things that have happened without outside the reach of people that are extremely close to you. So this is your first time sharing that. But so looking through your optics, how much of the details of the face and the body where you able to see you know it from well to start off, because the sun was just starting to come up and everything kind of had that orange que to it, so to speak, it was really hard to get discernible features.

30:40 And the odd thing was you could tell that it was. My first thought was it was something covered in fur or hair. That's why I first went to it had to be a bear, you know, and it was a bear that knew how to walk really well on two legs, its hind legs. But it was just so dark that you couldn't make out exactly what it was. And like I said, you just go through the you know gambit of it's got to be this, No, it has to be that, it has to be this, And Bigfoot was honestly probably one of the last things on that list that was a possibility. You know what we saw, So it sounds like we're not seeing fine details like facial features, find details like that hair color, although you did mention black, Yeah it was.

31:30 It was jet It was like a pretty much a jet black from where we were standing. And even, you know, the odd thing was even looking at it with binoculars. I mean the lighting wasn't the best, of course, but looking at it with binoculars, it was so dark in the shoulder and neck and face region it was it was almost impossible to make out any exact details, which I thought was really odd. Okay, yeah, that's very interesting. So definitely not see anything about the eyes and yeah, no, okay, not that. No, remember, did you see let's say, did you notice like the shape of the head at all? Yeah, it was very rounded. That's why I first, I mean, it seemed very large. It didn't definitely, it almost seemed as if a person had a very almost like a cloak or something you see in Star Wars or that type of loose garment over the head. So it was very very It was pretty big, a lot more big than what I would think of human's head would look like from that distance as for sure. So when you say kind of like a cloak, are you kind of saying like maybe there was like a cone shape to the head or yeah, it actually looks it looked round to me, but it's just from where the shoulders went to the head.

32:53 It didn't go like a humid wood where you know, you have your clavicle and then it goes into your neck. It looked like it was just rounded out from like basically essentially something touched almost from the shoulder to the top part of the head. Okay, okay, so not really like much of a neck then, yeah, exactly exactly that. That was the first thing I thought. Were you able to tell if you were maybe looking at a male creature or a female creature in any way? No, I could not. From where I there was no discernible, you know, anything visible of that nature. Gotcha. And so you were getting really a side view of the creature as it walked across or it was kind of so at first it started making it was traveling from like left to right, and then at one point it turned almost like dead onto us for a little bit of it. Gotcha when it did that turn, and I'd apologize, I'm going to be asking questions, and you know, if it's dark, that's no problem. But the point where it turned and moved towards you, at that point where there are anythings you noticed that you hadn't noticed when it was just walking from left to right, No, there was nothing as in in like certain features that

34:27 I noticed. It just had such a weird movement, was very like stiff. It almost moved in a robotic manner, if that makes sense. Interesting, it's it's such a weird it's it's such a weird variation. You know. So you're sitting on the one hand, the creature is is moving very smoothly right correct, but then on the other hand, it has kind of a robotic movement to it. You said, right, yep, And you know I've seen that before with certain athletes and stuff that are they can move so well there and their movements are so precise that it almost looks robotic.

35:13 Hmmm. Interesting, Okay, I like that. Remembering what you had looked at, did it give you more the sense like maybe you were looking at a creature that was in some way related to a human or to an ape or something that just didn't really fit in either of those boxes. You know, for me, it looked like a human. Okay, it resembled more human. But then on the other hand, it also seemed as if like when you see animals, you know, I'm not sure if you're familiar with animals in their movements and stuff and it so the whole thing was is it was like somebody going to that lake, like as if we see deer or you know, bears do it. They go to water sources, and they usually do it first thing in the morning. That's when a lot of animals are moving. And that's that's that's basically you know what it did, what it was, And that's what I thought at first, just like if we were looking through our binoculars and I was to see a dough or but you know, going to get water. Wow, what what other sounds were you hearing at that time. So during the initial sighting it was just the normal,

36:45 you know sounds. I think there was some birds churping, just different stuff in camp. Nobody was really up at that point where where we camp at there's you know, you got your normal hikers, some families, but that year, from what I remember, there wasn't a whole lot of hunters. So at that time in the morning. I want to say, also in the campsite that we were at, I don't recall anybody else beating up at all in that area. At any point. Were you able to see the full length of the arms? Yes, I was so in between so when it was traveling, you know, through the thickets, and then at some point that brush got a little shorter is my speculation. And what I saw you could see our movement and they were kind of swinging back and forth.

37:45 Interesting. How how long were these arms hanging down? Would you say? I would say, man, I'm gonna have to go back into my MERI bank really good on this flot okay, And I would have to say it was probably comparable to a human as far as they didn't look abnormally long, But they also were kind of you know, hinged at what would be the elbow area. Interesting, so definitely not like you would say, not past the knees, not down down there. Okay, but you're also I'm going to ask them, well, let's say you said the brush was six to seven feet tall, and you said you could see the shoulders and the heads, So how how much would you how tall would you estimate what you were looking at? Probably was I would have to say that it was definitely.

38:51 No, it was at the shortest, it was seven foot, but I'm guessing between the seven to eight foot range. Yeah, I gotcha. Were you able to see anything about the hands at all? No, I mean not not really other than just saying dark right, what I'm assuming were the hands area, you know, going back and forth like during the walking movement? Sorry, At any time did you start having different I'm going to try to think of how I'm going to say this. When you're watching the creature, were there was there at any time a difference in how your body was reacting, your mental state, your how you felt internally. No, not not really that I noticed, you know, And I think now that I have seen this, it kind of I realized that when you see something that doesn't make any sense that you the human tries to rationalize what they saw.

40:09 So it was just I was coming up with so many different excuses at the time of what it had to be, and even though none of it added up. It was like, oh, no, there's no way that it could be something upright, dark covered in fur. Walking towards this lake where you have campers at at the lower spot and above both lakes, there's a campsite above there, you know, and it was probably only two hundred yards from the right of the upper campsite. Gotcha. It just seemed weird that. I mean, it was close enough to the campsites, but not it was close enough to where if it was a person, they would have walked in the openings to get to the lakes. They wouldn't have gone through dance brush tickets to go to the lake. That just it made no sense as to why, because I've walked by that brush before and it's so thick in there, and also there's thorms. Just nobody that has any clue about being in the mountains and walking through that terrain would would go straight through the center of it. That makes sense. There's no logical reason for a human to be over there. Yeah, exactly, gotcha. Because if it weren't to go to the lake for whatever reason, it would go in the openings, and there's areas where there's knee high grass, you know, and then

41:40 there's areas where there's shorter grass. They would have taken an easier route basically to get to the lake. After you had this experience, did this affect your time back at home in any way? No, not not so much. But you know, I kind of I get teased from time to time because I'm so into the subject now, you know, and it sent me on a deep dive where I mean, I've read I have a stack right now under my TV of probably thirty books, you know, my podcast.

42:24 I have a job where I'm driving site to site to do building inspections. So in between, you know, I'm constantly just watching YouTube videos, listening to podcasts related to the subject. And that that happened after that, this this encounter that you got really super deep into it, ye is, what is the main reason you think that you got really into it after after that? You know, My guess is I just want to to find answers, really, right, You know, when you see something that once you narrow down all the possibilities of what it wasn't and you start to think of what it could have been. It now like I want answers, you know, basically about that. I feel lucky on one hand that I got to witness it, you know, and but then again it's it's also changed my view of pretty much everything. It wasn't a huge paradigm shift at the beginning.

43:30 It wasn't something that was like, oh, you know, everything's completely different. But the more that I narrowed it down and the more that I went through my checklist and you know, and analyzed it, then it did start to change everything. Like, it's definitely opened my eyes to a lot of different things, sure, or not just ignoring you know and writing stuff off. Now, whether anybody says, you know, they go into the top of the dog man, you know, any of the cryptids. Now, before I would have been mycohol, you know, that's funny. But now I'm just like, you know, these people are seeing something and they you know what it is. I don't know, but there is people that are seeing things, and I take it ahead of a lot more serious now, that's for sure. Oh absolutely. It's like once you have an encounter like this, it's like all bets are off, I think for everything else.

44:24 I do want to ask a question I asked before, maybe a little bit more direct. After you had this encounter, at any time, did you have where your dreams affected? Did you start to hear any strange voices or anything? I thought, nope, okay, no, believe it or not. I mean it didn't. You know. The thing is the way I look at it is where we go hunting at and where I've been hiking at. You know, I've been an outdoors There's plenty of things that can harm you that are out there, and so in that aspect, I wasn't like terrified to go back in the woods or it never made me, you know, it made me more vigilant, that's for sure. And I always was kind of when we were hunting, you know, I'd take a couple of seconds to look off, you know, on the hill next to me with my binoculars or scanning stuff, and always keeping an eye on me. But you know, from what I learned, it's you should always be vigilant in the mountains. You know, you're even you know, we see people that go out there in areas where we've seen bear before and seen lots of signs of bear, and you know, I don't think they're vigilant enough really, to be honest. And we see single, you know, people going in there and they're hiking way back just by themselves, and to me, that's kind of reckless. Oh yeah, definitely. You mentioned that you had gone back to the actual brushy area. When afterwards, when you were over there,

45:55 did you see any evidence of like footprints or you know, like a massive creature going through nothing like that? Okay, I did not. I did not. I started. I basically went to the edge of where that brush was and I wanted to see how tall that was, you know, so it could give me a better idea to the height of it. And once I realized that it was a lot taller than than I thought, it kind of changed. It kind of gave me some answers that I needed. Basically makes sense, and I'm sorry to piggyback on that. You know, I part of the profession that I'm in, I'm constantly measuring stuff with tape measures and you know, checking diameters of things and stuff, you know, and I thought, you know, maybe I could guess from the distance that I was how tall that was, but then when I actually got right next to it, I kind of my mind was somewhat blown at how tall that brush actually was. Absolutely, just to double check during that encounter where you had the visual on it, were there any was there any evidence that you had captured from that time? No, I did not. I do have.

47:15 You know, when we go hunting a lot of the times, I'll carry my cell phone on me, but where we're at we have no service for I mean, we have to drive down the mountain a good hour hour and a half to even get serviced, so I carry it. I usually just leave it in the trailer or I'll put it in my backpack, but we mainly I just mainly use that to check trail cameras if we had any setup or you know, if I do harvest an animal, I definitely, you know, want to take pictures of that, you know, or have my dad snap a photo of me next to it. But believe it or not, that was the last thing that went through my mind when you were looking through your optics at this. If you were in a situation where you could have taken a shot, is it a thing where you would have or there's that's not a not an option at all based on what you saw.

48:15 No, that that wasn't an option at all. You know, being you know, getting it, being around hunting, growing up around hunting, now being immersed at myself, you don't take a shot at something you're not one hundred percent sure of what it is. And we were there hunting deer, and that was definitely not a deer, So that wasn't even a thought that had gone through my head at all. That makes sense. It sounds like you started doing a lot of research since you know where that exact area is. Did you look to see if there had been any other sightings or encounters in that same area. I did not, But you know, I was told by my dad and this is the second hand stree and he just had told it to me, probably about five years ago. But there was another gentleman that comes from the same city where I live in and he used to hunt with my dad and a group of the other guys. That's how my dad got started with some older hunters. Had taken them up to that area.

49:28 I showed them kind of the ropes of all the areas and where deers are usually at and he was up on the side of this mountain and same thing. You know, we try to go in and get there as close to daylight as possible and try to get in our spot where we want to be as close to daylight, you know, before anything moves. And he had said that he saw something run across the side of this hill which was really steep because I've been on that hill a bunch of times myself, and said that it was absolutely flying on the side of this hill and moving out of speed, that there was just not humanly capable. And in that area, you know, there's a lot of volcanic rock and there's a lot of shale, and he said that it was just moving through there like it was nothing like it was on flat ground essentially. That's really interesting. Yeah, definitely adds another another side to it for sure. So before we had taken a small detour back to talk about your initial sighting, we were talking about the tent camping, and we talked about that for a little bit. Are there any other interesting things that you've noticed over the years as well besides that, Yeah, So we also honted another area that's a little close to the

51:00 city that I live in. So for context, the area where my first sighting occurred at is about three and a half hours away from the city that I live in. But we also go to this other area that's on the backside. Well, essentially, we come in from the backside of the ski resort and we drop down on the on top of the ridge. And if you look far down below, about a thousand yards, you can see the lodge, parking lot all that area. But if you stay on that ridge line, you have a bunch of slopes going down underneath you that all converge down at the base of the ski resort. And we always stay on that ridge line, you know, and there's a couple of game trails that are about forty to fifty yards below the top of that ridge that we see deers, you know, first thing in the morning, right before dark as well, they'll be cutting across there. So me and my dad were posted up there in the afternoon. Usually we take off from camp at about you know, depending on how the weather is that that season, if it's a normally warm, we'll wait a little bit later to take off from camp to go up the trail, you know, and go on the backside of the ski resort and drop down on it. And we were just sitting on one of the runs, So imagine the top of the run, you know, where the ski lift lets you out at and you strap your gear, and you know, sometimes there's a little bench right there, you know, or different trail markers up at that area. Well, we're looking down the run and we've seen deer crossing about halfway down this this area, this specific ski run

52:35 that we look at, and we started hearing, i mean crashing of something that sounded like and we made a joke even at first, is what is there a dinosaur cup going through this thicket? So between ski runs you have the opening clearings, and generally you have tree areas, you know, where people will do tree riding or or you know, they haven't carved it out down the center yet. And we just noticed there was just a lot of crashing and there was trees in that area that were probably thirty feet tall that were actually swaying back and forth, which I mean bears go through areas, you know, and they scratch against trees or you know, they push against stuff. But whatever this was, it was in this that was in the trees between the runs was absolutely sounded absolutely massive. That must have been the weirdest thing ever to be honest, to see no tree just start swaying and the crashing going on. I don't know, Yes, I know, I know. And you know the problem is being a hunter and stuff. I'm not sure if you've been around hunters you know much or around that culture, but you always want to think that you're the top dogs, you know, in the in the mountains. You want to think you're, you know, the alpha this out there. But and so it's kind of, you know,

54:07 you kind of try not to be like, oh man, I'm spooped, you know, or showing too much fear. But that was definitely weird. I was just hoping that whatever was inside that area did not pop out or come towards us, because whatever it was was sounded absolutely massive. Mm. That's wild. Yeah. You know. A funny side note, Jeremiah, I okay, So I know you're familiar with the Missing four in one series the data Pilty's all that he had a part that had the Sierra sounds in it on I'm not sure which volume it is. We'll come to find out. Two of the guys that recorded the Sierra Sounds where lived in the same city that I did in California. Oh oh that's cool, Okay, yeah yeah. And and this is the even crazier part about it is one of the guys, which he hasn't gone on, you know, to Ron Moore. I don't know if ulse will say that he, you know, has gone on different shows. One of the guys has gone on different shows and been on documentaries. Well, another one of the hunters that was with him ended up being the my parents bought the house, brought the land from

55:45 him that they built their house on. Really yeah, And and the weirdest thing is I've seen him around. I mean I still see him to this day, you know, driving around with his wife. And and they never broadcasted it, you know, or anything. We had no clue, and we're watching this documentary and we're like, wait, we know these two guys right here, and one of them his house. I can literally almost see from my parents' house, well the back of his property at least I could see. So so you're definitely not talking about Ron Moorehead. And that's that's public knowledge, Like Ron Moore. Everyone knows about Ron Moorehead. But you're talking yeah, yeah, and and my dad actually did know didn't know Ron too, but one of the other hunters that was with him, and he there's pictures of him on that documentary and they don't name him specifically, but I mean, we definitely know who he is. Obviously, he's been on our city forever. But yeah, to this day, I ride bikes and stuff and I see him out mowing his yard and stuff, you know, and I I really want to go up to him and talk to him, but he's in old school cowboy type of guy, you know, and I just don't know how he's gonna respond to it, really, So I I'll say this, if you ever, if you ever feel so inclined and you do see him and you want to go on a quest for for this podcast, if you if you feel so inclined, you could, I mean,

57:16 if you do strike up a conversation with him and let him know, Hey, if you ever does want to talk about what happened during that time on a podcast, I would love to interview this gentleman. It's I don't think he's ever been I mean, I don't think he's ever been interviewed. I can't even think of what the guy's name is, but he hasn't he has not that not that I know, you know, and I've done a lot of research, and it's just so wild to me that one of the guys that was involved with you know, probably the you know, premiere recording, never went on the record really or anything. That's that's that's wild. That's a huge synchronicity that you you actually know who the dude is and there's that connection with the purchasing of property, and yeah, I know, if it has happened, that would be that would be wild if he would ever go on record and chat about Yeah, I know, I know, I definitely, I definitely could. You know. I wride bikes with one of my friends around here a lot on the weekends and he's always out every Saturday fing his his yard and I always want to stop, you know, but usually wearing a middle of a bike ride, and it's like, you know, I you just don't know how to approach these type of things. You know, this isn't like a conversation where I can just start out with that, you know, kind of got to create a little bit of apported It is kind of a that's an interesting conversation to just really launch into Yeah, and

58:47 he's closer with my dad as in like they've known each other for years. But I've always how I've been so interested in the topic. I've always been like, man, if I could just talk to him, you know, and just here is his first hand experience of that, it would be absolutely amazing. Jordan, this is what you gotta do. You gotta get your dad involved. Your dad is the key to this, because it seems like they've been buddy buddy for years and your dad's a big too, right like or he's been you know. And that's the funny thing is is when all this had gone down, you know, years ago, and we kind of kept it hush hush or you know, every so often we talk about it, you know. And I noticed little by little he started getting a lot more involved in the last couple of years. I mean, as far as I catch it, he would be watching, you know, stuff on YouTube before he moved, you know, and they moved out of state. He would be watching stuff on YouTube and go over their house and he was watching a documentary or Missing four and long and stuff, and I noticed it.

59:50 Definitely, he's definitely gotten a lot more open minded. You know than than I thought he would ever be about the topic absolute. I mean, that was quite the rabbit trail we we just went on. But I'm I'm glad we went. That's pretty cool, I know, I know, I was just I hearde a little note about that, you know, and it's just a it's just a weird little tidbit that because you know, and and a lot of old a lot of the older hunters around this area that I've come in contact with my dad and stuff, they would always tell it like almost like an urban legend, like, you know, there's some guys from this area that have gone hunting up by and they had a bunch of mysterious things happened to him, and they had a recorder. They never said anything about recording audio, which was really weird too, you know, and it was almost like a you know, like an urban legend you tell everybody like, oh, and I never knew who the guys were until I saw that documentary, and neither did my dad, which is really all. So you're saying, like the recording of the SIRA sounds were some like local legend you would hear and then you realized it's a huge part of big for history Holy mackerel, yep, exactly, you know, and we would say, you know, my dad would tell me, yeah, you know, there's some guys that, you know, had had gone up to the high country and they had this stupid little you know, honey hoole that they've always been hunting out of on horseback. And I assumed that it was an actual cabin, not like a lean to, you know, or structure that was just built out there. I thought it was a cabin, you know. And and we

1:01:22 had heard stuff that something was pounding on the side of their cabin and something spooked their horses and all these different things, and then come to find it and find out the real story it was just it was it was amazing. Honestly. I couldn't believe that, you know. I, like I said, I almost want to get an autograph from this guy, you know, and and have it somewhere in my house. Oh, I mean that that would be that'd be so cool. Do I need to cut out this part? Yeah? Probably, Okay, I don't think. I don't know if they really like said that much. I mean, I don't know if if that was actually you know, I remember watching The Missing for one, but I don't know if they actually I don't. I mean me personally, I have no clue where it is, but I do know kind of the area that it's in. I think they it's it's a missing forum on the hunted, and I think they leave it vague. I'd like they say it's somewhere in the Sierras. I believe it's how they get it, but I think it's not. Many people know the exact location of where it actually happened, and I think only those gentlemen do you know, And I think one of them wrong took his wife there. But other than that, they that's pretty much there. Well at the time when it was, when they were allowing them to be up, there was an area only a couple of those guys knew. It's just it's wild to think that like the guys from that generation that would have been, like the guys like Ron that went out during that

1:02:53 time in the seventies, like, I mean, those guys are almost gone. Like That's why I to take this interviewing people extremely serious, especially when it's the older generation where they start talking about how they were going out in the late seventies. I mean those guys, yeah, it's almost I mean, even the guys in the nineties they're getting old too, man that were researching, so I know, and it's just those guys I didn't realize that they literally paved the way for a lot of this stuff nowadays, you know. And of course the average person that isn't into the topic isn't really going to know this. But you know, those guys are essentially, to me, some of the founding fathers of a lot of this research. I would agree, if you had the chance to see what you saw that one day again, would you want to see that again? You know? And partially part of me wants to, but the other part of me knows exactly, you know, what I saw that day, So it's not like I need confirmation of any sorts. It would be nice. But then again, after learning about different sightings and encounters, I don't necessarily want to be close to something like that, or you know, I don't want to have some of these encounters where things are getting thrown at me, or you know, I hear something going around our trailer at night or you know, around our ten at night. I don't want anything like that. Now from a hill with

1:04:27 maybe a spotting scope or my binoculars. You know, a good four or five hundred yards away at least, you know, would be ideal. But that's about as close as I really want to get to anything like this. It's extremely interesting, you know. And then I, you know, something that this whole event kind of didn't plague me for years, but it always has been in my mind, and you know, I needed to get some type of clarity, and I went to you know, I go to church and I'm a believer, and I went to a pastor that I'm very comfortable sharing stuff with and I trust his guidance and he had kind of an interesting take on it that did kind of opened my eyes to stuff or it.

1:05:25 It definitely sparked a different way of thinking about the whole. And he essentially, you know, said that there's a spiritual realm that's around us, and you know, every so often that veil is thin enough to where people see stuff. You know, that these are occurrences that happen all the time, but for whatever reason, certain people are able to view these things happening. And the reason that that kind of resonated with me was because as the sun can continued to rise that morning, I didn't. It should have been more visible, and instead it did the exact opposite, or it just vanished as if it was almost supernatural in a sense. So does that mean then that as the sun rose, you actually saw the creature start to disappear in front of your eyes. No, not in that aspect. It was just every so often, you know, I kept you know, I like went and grabbed my bow real quick and was loading up the vehicle, but in the meantime loading up the back of my bed's jeep. But in the meantime, you know, I was keeping an eye on that same area, same area, you know, and I kind of stepped away for a second to get my bow set up and you know, make sure my ears were all secured in the quiver, and then put it on my backpack and set it in

1:06:56 the back of the jeep because we were actually going to the hunt off this trailhead it's about a quarter of a mile away from camp. And when I turned back around, it was just completely gone, as if nothing was there at all, and nothing It was the oddest thing that that is very odd. Yeah, it's just but you know that that's happened before with you see, like a really big buck or you know, sometimes you see wildlife and it's just in and out quick. You know. It's almost like if you saw a ghost, you know, but except this thing was tall walking towards a lake. So personally, yourself, have you come have you decided what you feel a bigfoot is yourself? Then that's a pretty tough question. You know. For me, all its movements and what it was doing one hundred percent reminded me of you know, an animal going to a lake to get water, you know, first thing in the morning. But then the part that has me stumped is the part of how it just seemed. It seemed like it seemed to just vanish into sin there at the end of it all.

1:08:28 So you know, I know there's two different there's two different camps, so to speak, and one is that it's a physical creature and then the other one is the whole woo and supernatural aspect. But it kind of had aspects of both for me and my encounter. And you know what I'm how I'm starting to feel personally the more I get into this is that I don't think it's out of the question to have a physical creature that maybe can do weird stuff. That we just don't understand in science yet that you considered paranormal, you know, like, yeah, that'sir and the more that I research, you know, I'm kind of along the same camp. There's just things we don't understand, and I'm okay with that, you know, and maybe as time goes on, people will you know, there will be more science or you know, it will be accepted that animals can do this or that.

1:09:29 Absolutely. I mean, we know that some animals can influence their prey using infrasound, you know, to make them scared or not be able to run, and honestly, I think that this creature can also do that, and it's it's one of the scariest things to think that a creature that large can do that. But we're just we're learning more about it, and it feels like, you know, every answer we get, there's two more questions, but that's that's part of the research of it. So yeah, I definitely agree on that. But Jordan, it's been a real pleasure talking to you tonight, and I'm so glad you're able to share your account with a with a listener base and be able to feel comfortable enough to be able to do that. Did you have any more closing thoughts before we wrapped up our time here tonight? Yeah, I guess you know. Some things is it's great the guys like you, you know and a couple other guys that I follow and listen to podcasts have a platform like this where you're able to discuss things and not feel like you're being judged about them. Is definitely something that I appreciate, you know. And and in a lot of the fields and

1:11:00 the field actually that I currently work with, you know, you I've tried to have discussions with certain people, you know, and a lot of times it's just brushed off r or people make a smart comment regarding it, you know, and you can tell that they don't really think it's serious or or you know, there's just to them, there's no way that any of this could could be real, you know. But it's just really important to have a place to actually discuss stuff like this, you know, And it definitely helps when you have a good support group around you, as in, like my girlfriend is very encouraging about it all, you know, and she doesn't write it off as as just being some tall tale or whopper story, you know. On same thing with my parents, and you know, my dad has also been very over open minded, you know, and he actually and he actually helped me recall or mentions some different things you know, that happened along the years, or a couple of the different things that happened, and that was just huge. It's extremely important to have a a support base like that. So I'm I'm so happy to hear that you actually do have that.

1:12:21 Not everyone is lucky enough to have that support base, especially from people you know that they're related to and that I love them as well. But yeah, you know, and I still don't. I still you know, keep it pretty close to the chest, and this isn't something that you know, I just will discuss with anybody, and so, you know, but at the same time, it is it is good to have a close, you know, your closest people in your life that are at least willing to hear you know, and not just write you off, you know, as being crazy or or you know, not knowing what you saw right out the gate. Absolutely well again, Jordan, thank you for coming on the show.

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