Revenge of the Sierra Sasquatch!

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and now let's get on with the

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show. All right, Bigfat Society. We've got the privilege of talking to

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Jordan tonight. Jordan is a listener
who reached out to me via email.

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He's from California. He's had some
really interesting things that have happened over the

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year. So, Jordan, I'm
so glad that we are on the phone

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together tonight and we're able to have
this conversation. I'm gonna let you go

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ahead and take it from here.
My friend sounds good. Well, first

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thought, Jeremiah I just wanted to
say thank you for giving a platform for

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people to get experiences off their chest, you know, and just discuss these

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things. But to start off,
I'm thirty seven years old. I have

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been hunting with my dad since about
the age ten or eleven. Kind of

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always been a little tag along at
first, and then I got into it

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for myself about a decade ago.
Had an old boss that actually gave me

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one of his hand me down compound
bows, and I just fell in love

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with that aspect of hunting, not
really so much rifle hunting, but just

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fell in love with being in the
outdoors. I like hiking, hunting,

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you know, of course camping,
everything that goes along with it, you

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know, and just getting appreciate your
nature. Basically, my dad and me

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have been hunting at the same spot
for about the last ten or eleven years

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in northern California, and it is
about, i want to say, about

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an hour an hour and a half
from South Lake Tahoe, which a lot

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of people will be familiar with that
area, and we always would go up

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a day or two before opening weekend
of our tree season, get set up,

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get camp set up, get the
dogs familiar with all the areas,

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you know, basically just the normal
prepping, getting food ready, you know,

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just ready to go for the opening
weekend. So about five point fifteen

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in the morning is kind of when
we step out of the trailer that we

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camp in and we kind of do
our usual just loading our packs up,

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checking, you know, to make
sure we have water. Always got to

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make sure you have a little toilet
paper in your hunting pack just in case.

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Also, you know, we my
dad Will he was accompanying me on

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this trip, and as he usually
does, and we started loading our gear

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up. I'd have to say five
point fifteen, like I was saying.

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And then I always have a habit
of once I get on my camel gear

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on, once I make sure my
backpack is stocked up for the day,

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you know, general, just your
supplies, maybe a couple snacks, a

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couple of granola bars, things like
that. I ended up strapping on my

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binol harness setup, which I carry
a little rangefinder that connects on a retractable

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cord to that. So at that
point, son is starting to come up.

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It's got that kind of hazy golden
hour, so to speak. Things

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are starting to come clear. Well, I have a ritual of always checking

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my binoculars, making sure they're adjusted, making sure I can see things clearly,

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check my rangefinder, make sure the
battery is charged up on that,

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you know, and I'll generally go
through. I'm very routine oriented, so

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I'll go through sort of a checklist, make sure binoculars set up, rangefinders,

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good to go, battery wise,
it's good to go. And the

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campsite that we stay at it has
lakes, and there's a lower campsite,

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and then there's a road that cuts
in between both lakes, and then there's

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an upper campsite, which is what
we prefer to stay at. But this

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time, just because it's been getting
busier or busier, we were staying at

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the lower campsite, which I mean, they're all great views. Whether it's

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beautiful up there, you know,
it's gorgeous where we camp at. So

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in the meantime, I'm talking to
my dad, I got my vinyl harness

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set up on. I'm just checking
stuff because we have seen deer actually above

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the second camp site sometimes in the
morning moving. For anybody who's not familiar

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with deer aunting, right when the
sun comes up early morning is usually when

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they move middle of the day.
Once it gets warmer, they're bedded down

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in thickets brush it's very hard to
track them, and at evening they come

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out. So I'm doing my normal
scanning the hillside above the upper campsite when

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I start seeing movement coming out of
a thicket of trees headed towards a lake

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or the lakes that we stay at. So, you know, I'm kind

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of chatting it up with my dad. We're kind of joking. I think

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he's eat drinking a little bit of
coffee and I'm eating cereal out of a

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little styrofoam cup or styrofoam bowl.
And I started seeing what at first I

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thought was possibly a bear walking towards
the lakes. It continued to travel towards

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the lakes. But the odd thing
was is it was clearly walking bipedal lee

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upright, and it was also making
I could see it stepping over falling trees

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branches. It just moved very efficiently
and it was very comfortable walking upright.

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So it kept heading towards the lakes
and I was walking. I was looking

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at it with the naked eye and
then switching in between looking back at it

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with binoculars. I kept watching it
heading closer and closer to the lakes,

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and the sun is still rising.
We're kind of getting a late start on

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the hunt that morning, so you
know, I kind of pushed it out

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as far as I could, but
eventually we had to take off, you

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know, So I kept watching it
as long as we could. It kept

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heading in the same direction from the
hill from the mountain kind of hill above

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the lakes, headed towards the lakes. Well as the sun's coming up,

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you know, and we're thinking we
got to get in the vehicle, head

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to the trailhead and take off from
there to go hunting for the am.

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The sun keeps coming up, and
as it should have been more visible,

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this upright walking what we assumed was
a bear, maybe a hiker, maybe

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somebody wearing all black, just disappeared. So it was about a i'd say

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a good one to three minutes that
I was watching it, and I just

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noticed that it was walking really,
really well, and it was also going

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upright, and it was also going
through some really thick brush that was I'm

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guessing two hundred to three hundred yards
away from where we were at at the

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campsite. Whatever it was was very
big, and it you know, the

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weird thing is is when you see
something like that, your brain goes through

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a checklist of what it has to
be or things that you know that it

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has to be. So it went
from the discussion that we were having was,

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oh, it's a bear that has
an injured front, Paul that's possibly

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adapt did really well walking up right, to know, there must be a

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guy out here that's really tall,
wearing all black, has a black hoodie

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on, and he's also walking through
thick brush butt brush headed to these lakes,

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which also didn't really make much sense
at the time. So as the

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morning went on, you know,
we kind of discussed it a little bit,

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and at that point, you know, we were just focusing on the

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hunt that we had in front of
us and hoping we get some action.

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And as time went on that day, nothing weird happened. Rest of the

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day, you know, business as
usual. We went through our hunts,

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didn't see anything, but we did
get one heck of a workout in.

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So, you know, in the
afternoon, I found myself thinking about it

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again, and you you know,
thinking, okay, maybe it was just

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a hiker and maybe you know,
you see, we've seen weird things while

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hunting, you know, people that
seemed out of place in that area,

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or people walking through the middle of
thickets of trees. They weren't wearing hiking

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gear, just just different things.
You know. I had to go through

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a checklist multiple times thinking what exactly
it was that we saw. Well,

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a few days passes, and generally
we stay about four to five days up

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there on opening weekend, which is
the third weekend of August here in California

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for our tree season, and my
curiosity got the better of me. So

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later on in that same trip,
we end up hiking and hunting the hills

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and mountains directly above the upper campsite
I go. I end up deciding to

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walk over to that area of thickets
and brush where we saw something a few

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mornings before. And I go up
to that area and I noticed that it

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is extremely tall. So the brush
that I saw from a distance that didn't

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seem that tall ended up being at
least my guess, six to seven feet

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at the top. Well, whatever
was walking through that area happened to be

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at least a shoulder and headlength above
that brush. So, you know,

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we thought that was really odd.
And then you know, we made jokes

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that oh, it had to be
a retired NBA basketball player was wearing all

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black, happened to have a black
hoodie on, and he decided to walk

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to the lakes from wherever he was
camping. Well after I came to think

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about it more and more, it
just made no sense that somebody would walk

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through thick brush that contained storms and
stuff going to this lake when there's openings

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on both sides of it, there's
areas that people have walked to those lakes,

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and it just nothing was adding up
really about it. And to add

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another thing about it, you could
clearly see what we saw lifting its legs,

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stepping over small brush branches possibly you
know, it had such a effortless

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walk down the side of a fairly
steep terrain, which also made me think

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that it wasn't a hiker and definitely
was not anybody a human walking down there.

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So another weird thing about all this
is when it should have been visible

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when the sun was coming up right
before we took off from camp, it

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had just completely disappeared, like as
if the event had never happened, which

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was pretty crazy to think about and
to this day still kind of has me

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stumped. So we've been hunting up
until last year was our last year hunting

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at this area because my dad ended
up moving out of state and he's living

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in the area now that has some
great hunting, So I'll probably be going

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over there this archery season, but
a few seasons later, I would have

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to say, probably about one,
probably a year or two after the main

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sighting happened, or my first experience
happened. We were a tent camping this

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time instead of staying in a trailer, because we were only going a couple

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of days and it is pretty difficult
to get into the area that we stay

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at, so we decided, you
know, just we're going to dry camp.

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We're gonna head up there, you
know, and hopefully make something happen

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in a few days, instead of
saying four or five days like we normally

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do. During opening weekend, Well
about on the first night that we were

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in camp, same campsite that we
always go to, our same same general

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area, same lakes that we always
hunt out during our pre season opening weekend,

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we hear something about two or three
in the morning, and it is

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very loud, to the point that
it wakes me and my dad up from

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from our dead sleep, and it
sounded as almost like a I know this

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sounds crazy, but it sounded somewhere
between a how of a i'll mix with

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the bark of a dog. And
it was just very, very loud.

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So, you know, we we
kind of get up in our tent and

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we're sitting up and we're listening,
and it keeps going on. We're guessing

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that it had to be maybe one
hundred one hundred and fifty yards from like

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the campsite on the Lower Lakes that
we were staying at and the hill behind

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it, and you know, we
heard other people getting up, and you

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know, there was other campers next
to us, and you could tell too,

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you know, you were seeing flashlights
turning on and stuff. So we

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know other people definitely heard that.
And I've been in areas where there's mules

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and donkeys and near pack stations,
and they do make noises that are somewhat

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terrifying at first when you hear or
if you're not used to those type of

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sounds, it can be pretty it's
pretty shocking some of the noises that they

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can make, you know, in
the middle of night that you'll hear.

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But where we were staying at,
it was there's no horses up there,

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no mules, and it did not
sound like that. I've been, like

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I said, around horses, mules, donkeys, and that was definitely not

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what that was. But it was
an extremely loud noise that sounded like a

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combination of multiple animals. And the
funny thing is it almost sounded like something

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that would be off a Jurassic Park, which I thought was really odd.

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And no animal that's up there makes
a noise like that. I mean,

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you have mountain lions, you have
bears, of course, deers, and

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nothing makes that loud of audible noise. And it had a certain pitch and

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a tune to it that was just
odd. It was very odd to hear

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it. I have a question,
so sorry, yeah, a question real

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quick. When you heard these noises, were they affecting you in any way

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mentally physically? Did they make you
feel off anything like that? You know.

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The strangest thing is, Jeremiah,
when we heard that, it almost

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had like an effect that made you
want to go see what it was,

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if that makes sense. I know
talking about it sounds crazy, but it

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was really weird. It almost drew
you to the sound. And I'm a

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pretty i would say, a pretty
light sleeper, as in effect, if

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I hear noises and stuff, I'm
always a little bit on in the mountains,

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you know, just being out there
and stuff. I always keep an

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eye to things, you know.
And my dad is the exact opposite.

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He's the guy that you say,
hey, what was that, and he's

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just, you know, I'll go
back to sleep. Well, this time

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it actually will both of us up. And it probably had been going on

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for ten to fifteen minutes at least
before it woke us up, because I

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remember hearing it while I was asleep, but it was it definitely had an

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effect on us that wasn't necessarily a
scary thing, but more so as in

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it may just really really intrigued,
which I thought was really weird considering the

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type of noise there. It was
that it just wasn't anything I have ever

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heard ever being in the mountains.
So we continued for the you know,

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like I said, the last ten
to eleven years, we've been hunting that

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same area. Last year was our
last season that we were going to be

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going up there for opening our tree
and there is so give a little context

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to this. When you head to
the two lakes that we camp at and

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we hunt out of about forty five
minutes up the road, there's a more

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commercial lake. I'm not commercial,
but it's more of a lake that you

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get a lot of people from the
Bay area, a lot of city people

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go to that lake because it has
a regular asphalt road to it. And

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the lakes that we stay at,
you have to travel on a dirt road

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for probably I can't imagine how many
miles, but it's about thirty thirty minutes

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or just dirt road, and it
has switched backs. You know, it's

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a little more difficult to access.
So we decided to drop to drive to

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that lake, which has a convenience
store there in like a little burger spot,

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really good burgers by the way,
but we needed to get some more

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supplies. I think we were decided
to actually make some hamburgers that day and

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possibly you know, got a couple
sodas or maybe your beer two. And

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so we're headed back on the road
and this is probably the middle of the

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day, I want to say,
you know, anywhere from eleven to one

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o'clock. We're driving back to that
lake. And when we get close to

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the lake, we noticed that there's
about fifty government place vehicles tahos, blacked

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out tahos with government plates on them, which struck us as very very odd

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in that area because you're good,
you know, you're at about seventy five

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one hundred feet eight thousand feet at
that lake, which is a little bit

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lower than where we stay at,
and there was a heavy presence of apparently

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government employees, which you know,
it's just odd that either there was you

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know, somebody a very high profile
that was in that area, or there

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was some reason that they were up
there, you know, and considering the

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things that we've seen heard, it
just came. It just you start putting

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everything together, you know. It
just the optics of it were that they

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were there for some type of reason, and it, you know, to

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this day, we don't know what
exactly it's. It's definitely a very strange

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coincidence, and it makes you,
it makes you wonder, no doubt,

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especially that many vehicles, you know, I know. And the thing is

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is when you get to when you
get to this lake, there's little areas

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on both sides of the road where
people park at you know, over time,

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fishermen, people you know that are
there for the day, you know,

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families, they all park on both
sides of it. And this wasn't

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like an incorporated parking lot at the
convenience store. It was just on the

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side of the road. And we
noticed so many vehicles on both sides.

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It was it was really, it
was really. It makes your head It's

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a head scratching moment for sure.
I would like to take a few minutes

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and talk about your first initial sighting
if that's all right, Yeah, I

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know that's problem. It's no problem. Yeah, So which is I mean

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just an incredible like that being your
first interaction. You were looking through your

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rangefinder, right, yeah, rangefinder
and binoculars. I'm anybody who knows me,

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you knows I'm very detail oriented,
very routine about things. So in

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the morning, you know, when
I'm getting ready and get and we're getting

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ready to either take off from camp
or drive to some trail heads that we

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take off from, I always look
through my binoculars and my rangefinder, and

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I go through the binoculars and the
brand that I have, you know,

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has that normal little turntial that is
kind of at your you know, center

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between your eyebrows is where that is
located. So I always tend to just

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check to make sure that it's focused, you know, and adjust it depending

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on form I'm wearing my reading glasses
or my prescription glasses or not. Then

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I always try to make that make
sure that that's all dialed in for before

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we take off, you know,
on the same thing as my rangefinder.

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I just want to make sure that
the battery didn't overnight or something was leaning

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on one of the buttons, you
know, when I put it up in

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my backpack the night before. It's
just always have it. I just always

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want to make sure that my gear
is ready to go when I take off

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from camp or whenever we do that
hunt in the morning. Oh, absolutely,

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which I think is great. Remembering
what you saw, I've got a

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few questions about that. Do you
remember were you able to see what the

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gate of the creature was like,
how it was moving, how it was

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stepping. Yeah, you know,
you know. Was really weird about it

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was that it moves so smoothly going
downhill. The only thing that I can

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compare it to is if you were
going down an escalator and you were walking

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down at the same time that you
were going down that escalator. Interesting,

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Yeah, did you notice anything out
of the ordinary. So let's let's pretend

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we're looking at the we're looking at
the legs right, and you've got the

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my anatomy is not up to par. But the part of the leg that

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is below the knee, which I
believe would be the shin and that area

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below or above the ankle. Was
there anything out of the ordinary about the

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movement of the creature in that part
of the leg? No, not that

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I noticed. But you know,
the area that it was traveling through for

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some portion of the sighting of it
did have a lot of thick brush.

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So for a portion of it,
I was just we were just seeing what

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looked like somebody very tall with a
hoodie on all black. That was head

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and shoulders going through some butt brush
is what we kind of call it,

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which is not a technical term,
but you know, sometimes there's some type

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of berries, you know, when
you get to the high country, they

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have porns, and and so for
a portion of it, all I was

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seeing was you shoulders and head above
some very thick brush. And then when

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it finally did go through that area, you know, and you could kind

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of see stuff. It just had
a very unique look to it. I

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mean, the gate to it,
the walk to it was it almost lifted

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its each individual foot, like as
if you would if you were stepping through

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mud, or you were trying to
shake something off your feet. As you

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were taking every step, it seemed
like it was lifting its legs, like

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it was stepping over things that were
higher then we're on the ground, like

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as if you were almost doing high
knees or exaggerating how you were lifting your

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feet. Say you were walking over
a small branch, and you lifted your

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knees and feet very very high to
go over something small. It just it

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looked odd. Gotcha when you mentioned
that it almost seemed like it was trying

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to shake mud off its legs.
Were you able to see the legs at

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the time when it was making those
kind of movements. Yeah, yeah,

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we could. For I mean,
it was probably only about a quarter of

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the time that I saw it I
was able to witness that, and it,

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you know, at the distance that
we were at, which was I'm

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guessing about two hundred to three hundred
yards, it was kind of hard to

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make out any discernible features. And
the really odd thing is is it was

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so dark that it looked almost like
a shadow walking through brush. Okay,

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gotcha, So it might be a
little tough. Like if I was to

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ask when it was doing the shaking
the mud off of its legs, do

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you remember if the let's say,
the way it was walking, was it

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moving its legs just straightforward or or
was it doing a weird motion with its

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legs when it walked when it was
doing the mud shaking. That's kind of

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hard to say really from what I
remember, but I guess the closest thing

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that I could really compare it to
is like the movement is if people at

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the gym when they go on the
stair machine and you see some people that

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do exaggerated movements when they lift their
legs really high. But it was doing

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that while traveling downhill, which struck
me as really odd. Okay, wow,

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that is that is really interesting.
You are you a guy who watch

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watches Bigfoot videos and documentaries and stuff. Yeah, you know, honestly it

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So this is the backstory behind all
this stuff for years. I mean,

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my dad, he's a no nonsense
type of guy. He's the one guy

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when crap hits the fan that you
want to have with you. He's been

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hunting since he was probably early twenties, you know, And this was four

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decades later, Okay, three or
four decades later, so he you know,

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he he doesn't. Basically, we
kind of made jokes about it.

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And before that point we were I
had known about bigfoot, you know,

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and we changed the channel and you
know, you'd find I'm not going to

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say the exact show, but you
find one on and we would kind of

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make jokes at it or say,
like you know, or we thought it

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was something funny kind of in a
way. We never took it serious.

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And then after the sighting happened that
we had, plus some weird stuff that

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we added up together, it just
changed that my outlook at least on everything,

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and it got me to researching a
lot more into that topic, you

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know, and it's just something you
can't shake. It's once you have an

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experience like that, there's probably,
honestly, not one day that goes by.

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I don't think about that in some
capacity. Oh absolutely. And I

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asked that because the really detailed questions
I was asking right there is kind of

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trying to see. I was just
curious what you had noticed. Because there's

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an old documentary called Sasquatch Legends Meet
Legend, Meets Science from Doug Hicheck and

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he has a very detailed part about
the supposed gait of a sasquatch, and

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what you said was very interesting.
I don't know if you've never watched that,

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it would be fa okay, So
I think you can find it on

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YouTube potentially, and I would be
very interested if you were to watch that

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and then contact me back. And
there's the especially the part about the gate

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of the creature and they try to
replicate it. I'd be interested to see.

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But moving on, and I also
do want to point out that we

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had talked before hand that this is
your first time actually sharing all these things

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that have happened without outside the reach
of people that are extremely close to you.

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So this is your first time sharing
that. But so looking through your

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optics, how much of the details
of the face and the body where you

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able to see you know it from
well to start off, because the sun

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was just starting to come up and
everything kind of had that orange que to

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it, so to speak, it
was really hard to get discernible features.

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And the odd thing was you could
tell that it was. My first thought

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was it was something covered in fur
or hair. That's why I first went

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to it had to be a bear, you know, and it was a

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bear that knew how to walk really
well on two legs, its hind legs.

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But it was just so dark that
you couldn't make out exactly what it

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was. And like I said,
you just go through the you know gambit

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of it's got to be this,
No, it has to be that,

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it has to be this, And
Bigfoot was honestly probably one of the last

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things on that list that was a
possibility. You know what we saw,

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So it sounds like we're not seeing
fine details like facial features, find details

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like that hair color, although you
did mention black, Yeah it was.

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It was jet It was like a
pretty much a jet black from where we

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were standing. And even, you
know, the odd thing was even looking

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at it with binoculars. I mean
the lighting wasn't the best, of course,

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but looking at it with binoculars,
it was so dark in the shoulder

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and neck and face region it was
it was almost impossible to make out any

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exact details, which I thought was
really odd. Okay, yeah, that's

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very interesting. So definitely not see
anything about the eyes and yeah, no,

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okay, not that. No,
remember, did you see let's say,

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did you notice like the shape of
the head at all? Yeah,

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it was very rounded. That's why
I first, I mean, it seemed

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very large. It didn't definitely,
it almost seemed as if a person had

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a very almost like a cloak or
something you see in Star Wars or that

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type of loose garment over the head. So it was very very It was

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pretty big, a lot more big
than what I would think of human's head

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would look like from that distance as
for sure. So when you say kind

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of like a cloak, are you
kind of saying like maybe there was like

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a cone shape to the head or
yeah, it actually looks it looked round

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to me, but it's just from
where the shoulders went to the head.

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It didn't go like a humid wood
where you know, you have your clavicle

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and then it goes into your neck. It looked like it was just rounded

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out from like basically essentially something touched
almost from the shoulder to the top part

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of the head. Okay, okay, so not really like much of a

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neck then, yeah, exactly exactly
that. That was the first thing I

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thought. Were you able to tell
if you were maybe looking at a male

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creature or a female creature in any
way? No, I could not.

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From where I there was no discernible, you know, anything visible of that

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nature. Gotcha. And so you
were getting really a side view of the

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creature as it walked across or it
was kind of so at first it started

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making it was traveling from like left
to right, and then at one point

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it turned almost like dead onto us
for a little bit of it. Gotcha

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when it did that turn, and
I'd apologize, I'm going to be asking

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questions, and you know, if
it's dark, that's no problem. But

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the point where it turned and moved
towards you, at that point where there

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are anythings you noticed that you hadn't
noticed when it was just walking from left

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to right, No, there was
nothing as in in like certain features that

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I noticed. It just had such
a weird movement, was very like stiff.

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It almost moved in a robotic manner, if that makes sense. Interesting,

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it's it's such a weird it's it's
such a weird variation. You know.

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So you're sitting on the one hand, the creature is is moving very

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smoothly right correct, but then on
the other hand, it has kind of

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a robotic movement to it. You
said, right, yep, And you

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know I've seen that before with certain
athletes and stuff that are they can move

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so well there and their movements are
so precise that it almost looks robotic.

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Hmmm. Interesting, Okay, I
like that. Remembering what you had looked

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at, did it give you more
the sense like maybe you were looking at

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a creature that was in some way
related to a human or to an ape

410
00:35:35.440 --> 00:35:39.480
or something that just didn't really fit
in either of those boxes. You know,

411
00:35:40.199 --> 00:35:47.079
for me, it looked like a
human. Okay, it resembled more

412
00:35:47.159 --> 00:35:53.960
human. But then on the other
hand, it also seemed as if like

413
00:35:54.000 --> 00:35:58.199
when you see animals, you know, I'm not sure if you're familiar with

414
00:35:59.280 --> 00:36:05.519
animals in their movements and stuff and
it so the whole thing was is it

415
00:36:05.559 --> 00:36:08.239
was like somebody going to that lake, like as if we see deer or

416
00:36:08.280 --> 00:36:12.840
you know, bears do it.
They go to water sources, and they

417
00:36:12.920 --> 00:36:15.719
usually do it first thing in the
morning. That's when a lot of animals

418
00:36:15.760 --> 00:36:21.320
are moving. And that's that's that's
basically you know what it did, what

419
00:36:21.360 --> 00:36:22.960
it was, And that's what I
thought at first, just like if we

420
00:36:22.960 --> 00:36:29.239
were looking through our binoculars and I
was to see a dough or but you

421
00:36:29.280 --> 00:36:36.679
know, going to get water.
Wow, what what other sounds were you

422
00:36:36.760 --> 00:36:43.840
hearing at that time. So during
the initial sighting it was just the normal,

423
00:36:45.360 --> 00:36:47.440
you know sounds. I think there
was some birds churping, just different

424
00:36:47.480 --> 00:36:53.840
stuff in camp. Nobody was really
up at that point where where we camp

425
00:36:53.880 --> 00:36:59.599
at there's you know, you got
your normal hikers, some families, but

426
00:37:00.079 --> 00:37:02.679
that year, from what I remember, there wasn't a whole lot of hunters.

427
00:37:02.760 --> 00:37:07.280
So at that time in the morning. I want to say, also

428
00:37:07.320 --> 00:37:09.480
in the campsite that we were at, I don't recall anybody else beating up

429
00:37:09.679 --> 00:37:16.800
at all in that area. At
any point. Were you able to see

430
00:37:16.840 --> 00:37:28.440
the full length of the arms?
Yes, I was so in between so

431
00:37:28.519 --> 00:37:31.599
when it was traveling, you know, through the thickets, and then at

432
00:37:31.599 --> 00:37:38.599
some point that brush got a little
shorter is my speculation. And what I

433
00:37:38.639 --> 00:37:43.760
saw you could see our movement and
they were kind of swinging back and forth.

434
00:37:45.559 --> 00:37:52.400
Interesting. How how long were these
arms hanging down? Would you say?

435
00:37:53.119 --> 00:37:59.840
I would say, man, I'm
gonna have to go back into my

436
00:38:00.079 --> 00:38:05.079
MERI bank really good on this flot
okay, And I would have to say

437
00:38:05.119 --> 00:38:12.400
it was probably comparable to a human
as far as they didn't look abnormally long,

438
00:38:14.159 --> 00:38:16.880
But they also were kind of you
know, hinged at what would be

439
00:38:17.119 --> 00:38:25.800
the elbow area. Interesting, so
definitely not like you would say, not

440
00:38:27.000 --> 00:38:32.960
past the knees, not down down
there. Okay, but you're also I'm

441
00:38:32.960 --> 00:38:36.760
going to ask them, well,
let's say you said the brush was six

442
00:38:36.800 --> 00:38:39.480
to seven feet tall, and you
said you could see the shoulders and the

443
00:38:39.559 --> 00:38:45.760
heads, So how how much would
you how tall would you estimate what you

444
00:38:45.800 --> 00:38:50.320
were looking at? Probably was I
would have to say that it was definitely.

445
00:38:51.880 --> 00:38:53.519
No, it was at the shortest, it was seven foot, but

446
00:38:53.639 --> 00:39:00.840
I'm guessing between the seven to eight
foot range. Yeah, I gotcha.

447
00:39:02.519 --> 00:39:07.719
Were you able to see anything about
the hands at all? No, I

448
00:39:07.760 --> 00:39:13.360
mean not not really other than just
saying dark right, what I'm assuming were

449
00:39:13.360 --> 00:39:19.440
the hands area, you know,
going back and forth like during the walking

450
00:39:19.480 --> 00:39:32.440
movement? Sorry, At any time
did you start having different I'm going to

451
00:39:32.639 --> 00:39:37.039
try to think of how I'm going
to say this. When you're watching the

452
00:39:37.079 --> 00:39:42.760
creature, were there was there at
any time a difference in how your body

453
00:39:42.880 --> 00:39:52.280
was reacting, your mental state,
your how you felt internally. No,

454
00:39:52.360 --> 00:39:57.400
not not really that I noticed,
you know, And I think now that

455
00:39:57.519 --> 00:40:02.719
I have seen this, it kind
of I realized that when you see something

456
00:40:04.119 --> 00:40:07.559
that doesn't make any sense that you
the human tries to rationalize what they saw.

457
00:40:09.920 --> 00:40:15.480
So it was just I was coming
up with so many different excuses at

458
00:40:15.519 --> 00:40:20.679
the time of what it had to
be, and even though none of it

459
00:40:20.760 --> 00:40:22.360
added up. It was like,
oh, no, there's no way that

460
00:40:22.480 --> 00:40:29.960
it could be something upright, dark
covered in fur. Walking towards this lake

461
00:40:30.360 --> 00:40:35.840
where you have campers at at the
lower spot and above both lakes, there's

462
00:40:35.880 --> 00:40:39.119
a campsite above there, you know, and it was probably only two hundred

463
00:40:39.199 --> 00:40:49.840
yards from the right of the upper
campsite. Gotcha. It just seemed weird

464
00:40:49.880 --> 00:40:54.159
that. I mean, it was
close enough to the campsites, but not

465
00:40:57.079 --> 00:41:00.280
it was close enough to where if
it was a person, they would have

466
00:41:00.360 --> 00:41:02.599
walked in the openings to get to
the lakes. They wouldn't have gone through

467
00:41:04.679 --> 00:41:08.400
dance brush tickets to go to the
lake. That just it made no sense

468
00:41:08.400 --> 00:41:14.920
as to why, because I've walked
by that brush before and it's so thick

469
00:41:14.960 --> 00:41:19.840
in there, and also there's thorms. Just nobody that has any clue about

470
00:41:19.960 --> 00:41:22.800
being in the mountains and walking through
that terrain would would go straight through the

471
00:41:22.840 --> 00:41:30.000
center of it. That makes sense. There's no logical reason for a human

472
00:41:30.159 --> 00:41:34.400
to be over there. Yeah,
exactly, gotcha. Because if it weren't

473
00:41:34.440 --> 00:41:37.760
to go to the lake for whatever
reason, it would go in the openings,

474
00:41:37.800 --> 00:41:40.599
and there's areas where there's knee high
grass, you know, and then

475
00:41:40.599 --> 00:41:45.960
there's areas where there's shorter grass.
They would have taken an easier route basically

476
00:41:45.000 --> 00:41:52.679
to get to the lake. After
you had this experience, did this affect

477
00:41:54.159 --> 00:42:01.960
your time back at home in any
way? No, not not so much.

478
00:42:02.039 --> 00:42:07.880
But you know, I kind of
I get teased from time to time

479
00:42:07.920 --> 00:42:10.519
because I'm so into the subject now, you know, and it sent me

480
00:42:10.559 --> 00:42:15.920
on a deep dive where I mean, I've read I have a stack right

481
00:42:15.960 --> 00:42:24.119
now under my TV of probably thirty
books, you know, my podcast.

482
00:42:24.199 --> 00:42:30.360
I have a job where I'm driving
site to site to do building inspections.

483
00:42:30.360 --> 00:42:35.440
So in between, you know,
I'm constantly just watching YouTube videos, listening

484
00:42:35.440 --> 00:42:43.800
to podcasts related to the subject.
And that that happened after that, this

485
00:42:43.800 --> 00:42:49.360
this encounter that you got really super
deep into it, ye is, what

486
00:42:49.559 --> 00:42:53.280
is the main reason you think that
you got really into it after after that?

487
00:42:57.000 --> 00:43:00.840
You know, My guess is I
just want to to find answers,

488
00:43:00.880 --> 00:43:05.639
really, right, You know,
when you see something that once you narrow

489
00:43:05.719 --> 00:43:08.440
down all the possibilities of what it
wasn't and you start to think of what

490
00:43:09.199 --> 00:43:14.360
it could have been. It now
like I want answers, you know,

491
00:43:14.440 --> 00:43:20.000
basically about that. I feel lucky
on one hand that I got to witness

492
00:43:20.039 --> 00:43:25.599
it, you know, and but
then again it's it's also changed my view

493
00:43:25.639 --> 00:43:30.400
of pretty much everything. It wasn't
a huge paradigm shift at the beginning.

494
00:43:30.199 --> 00:43:36.400
It wasn't something that was like,
oh, you know, everything's completely different.

495
00:43:36.440 --> 00:43:39.400
But the more that I narrowed it
down and the more that I went

496
00:43:39.440 --> 00:43:44.280
through my checklist and you know,
and analyzed it, then it did start

497
00:43:44.320 --> 00:43:47.639
to change everything. Like, it's
definitely opened my eyes to a lot of

498
00:43:47.679 --> 00:43:53.440
different things, sure, or not
just ignoring you know and writing stuff off.

499
00:43:53.480 --> 00:43:57.920
Now, whether anybody says, you
know, they go into the top

500
00:43:57.960 --> 00:44:00.320
of the dog man, you know, any of the cryptids. Now,

501
00:44:00.519 --> 00:44:04.679
before I would have been mycohol,
you know, that's funny. But now

502
00:44:04.719 --> 00:44:10.079
I'm just like, you know,
these people are seeing something and they you

503
00:44:10.119 --> 00:44:14.159
know what it is. I don't
know, but there is people that are

504
00:44:14.159 --> 00:44:16.000
seeing things, and I take it
ahead of a lot more serious now,

505
00:44:16.039 --> 00:44:20.920
that's for sure. Oh absolutely.
It's like once you have an encounter like

506
00:44:21.000 --> 00:44:22.760
this, it's like all bets are
off, I think for everything else.

507
00:44:24.000 --> 00:44:28.880
I do want to ask a question
I asked before, maybe a little bit

508
00:44:28.920 --> 00:44:36.000
more direct. After you had this
encounter, at any time, did you

509
00:44:36.239 --> 00:44:44.119
have where your dreams affected? Did
you start to hear any strange voices or

510
00:44:44.119 --> 00:44:47.159
anything? I thought, nope,
okay, no, believe it or not.

511
00:44:47.239 --> 00:44:51.400
I mean it didn't. You know. The thing is the way I

512
00:44:51.440 --> 00:44:55.119
look at it is where we go
hunting at and where I've been hiking at.

513
00:44:55.159 --> 00:44:59.320
You know, I've been an outdoors
There's plenty of things that can harm

514
00:44:59.400 --> 00:45:04.519
you that are out there, and
so in that aspect, I wasn't like

515
00:45:04.639 --> 00:45:07.760
terrified to go back in the woods
or it never made me, you know,

516
00:45:07.840 --> 00:45:10.039
it made me more vigilant, that's
for sure. And I always was

517
00:45:10.119 --> 00:45:13.519
kind of when we were hunting,
you know, I'd take a couple of

518
00:45:13.599 --> 00:45:15.280
seconds to look off, you know, on the hill next to me with

519
00:45:15.280 --> 00:45:20.320
my binoculars or scanning stuff, and
always keeping an eye on me. But

520
00:45:21.519 --> 00:45:24.079
you know, from what I learned, it's you should always be vigilant in

521
00:45:24.119 --> 00:45:29.400
the mountains. You know, you're
even you know, we see people that

522
00:45:29.480 --> 00:45:32.400
go out there in areas where we've
seen bear before and seen lots of signs

523
00:45:32.400 --> 00:45:36.599
of bear, and you know,
I don't think they're vigilant enough really,

524
00:45:36.639 --> 00:45:39.239
to be honest. And we see
single, you know, people going in

525
00:45:39.280 --> 00:45:44.039
there and they're hiking way back just
by themselves, and to me, that's

526
00:45:44.119 --> 00:45:51.519
kind of reckless. Oh yeah,
definitely. You mentioned that you had gone

527
00:45:51.559 --> 00:45:55.280
back to the actual brushy area.
When afterwards, when you were over there,

528
00:45:55.320 --> 00:46:02.159
did you see any evidence of like
footprints or you know, like a

529
00:46:02.159 --> 00:46:07.039
massive creature going through nothing like that? Okay, I did not. I

530
00:46:07.079 --> 00:46:09.960
did not. I started. I
basically went to the edge of where that

531
00:46:10.000 --> 00:46:14.800
brush was and I wanted to see
how tall that was, you know,

532
00:46:14.880 --> 00:46:17.639
so it could give me a better
idea to the height of it. And

533
00:46:17.920 --> 00:46:22.000
once I realized that it was a
lot taller than than I thought, it

534
00:46:22.079 --> 00:46:27.239
kind of changed. It kind of
gave me some answers that I needed.

535
00:46:27.280 --> 00:46:35.639
Basically makes sense, and I'm sorry
to piggyback on that. You know,

536
00:46:35.840 --> 00:46:39.480
I part of the profession that I'm
in, I'm constantly measuring stuff with tape

537
00:46:39.519 --> 00:46:45.199
measures and you know, checking diameters
of things and stuff, you know,

538
00:46:45.239 --> 00:46:49.199
and I thought, you know,
maybe I could guess from the distance that

539
00:46:49.239 --> 00:46:52.079
I was how tall that was,
but then when I actually got right next

540
00:46:52.119 --> 00:46:58.719
to it, I kind of my
mind was somewhat blown at how tall that

541
00:46:58.800 --> 00:47:05.800
brush actually was. Absolutely, just
to double check during that encounter where you

542
00:47:05.800 --> 00:47:09.440
had the visual on it, were
there any was there any evidence that you

543
00:47:09.480 --> 00:47:15.760
had captured from that time? No, I did not. I do have.

544
00:47:15.920 --> 00:47:19.000
You know, when we go hunting
a lot of the times, I'll

545
00:47:19.039 --> 00:47:22.199
carry my cell phone on me,
but where we're at we have no service

546
00:47:22.239 --> 00:47:27.239
for I mean, we have to
drive down the mountain a good hour hour

547
00:47:27.320 --> 00:47:30.480
and a half to even get serviced, so I carry it. I usually

548
00:47:30.960 --> 00:47:35.400
just leave it in the trailer or
I'll put it in my backpack, but

549
00:47:35.440 --> 00:47:39.320
we mainly I just mainly use that
to check trail cameras if we had any

550
00:47:39.360 --> 00:47:44.199
setup or you know, if I
do harvest an animal, I definitely,

551
00:47:44.320 --> 00:47:46.599
you know, want to take pictures
of that, you know, or have

552
00:47:46.719 --> 00:47:51.639
my dad snap a photo of me
next to it. But believe it or

553
00:47:51.719 --> 00:47:55.800
not, that was the last thing
that went through my mind when you were

554
00:47:55.840 --> 00:48:05.840
looking through your optics at this.
If you were in a situation where you

555
00:48:05.920 --> 00:48:09.800
could have taken a shot, is
it a thing where you would have or

556
00:48:09.920 --> 00:48:15.679
there's that's not a not an option
at all based on what you saw.

557
00:48:15.760 --> 00:48:21.840
No, that that wasn't an option
at all. You know, being you

558
00:48:21.880 --> 00:48:25.320
know, getting it, being around
hunting, growing up around hunting, now

559
00:48:25.400 --> 00:48:30.559
being immersed at myself, you don't
take a shot at something you're not one

560
00:48:30.599 --> 00:48:34.400
hundred percent sure of what it is. And we were there hunting deer,

561
00:48:34.840 --> 00:48:37.920
and that was definitely not a deer, So that wasn't even a thought that

562
00:48:37.960 --> 00:48:46.119
had gone through my head at all. That makes sense. It sounds like

563
00:48:46.159 --> 00:48:51.960
you started doing a lot of research
since you know where that exact area is.

564
00:48:52.199 --> 00:48:57.280
Did you look to see if there
had been any other sightings or encounters

565
00:48:57.320 --> 00:49:02.840
in that same area. I did
not, But you know, I was

566
00:49:05.320 --> 00:49:12.079
told by my dad and this is
the second hand stree and he just had

567
00:49:12.119 --> 00:49:15.079
told it to me, probably about
five years ago. But there was another

568
00:49:15.119 --> 00:49:21.679
gentleman that comes from the same city
where I live in and he used to

569
00:49:21.760 --> 00:49:23.480
hunt with my dad and a group
of the other guys. That's how my

570
00:49:23.559 --> 00:49:28.320
dad got started with some older hunters. Had taken them up to that area.

571
00:49:28.360 --> 00:49:30.679
I showed them kind of the ropes
of all the areas and where deers

572
00:49:30.719 --> 00:49:40.239
are usually at and he was up
on the side of this mountain and same

573
00:49:40.280 --> 00:49:44.119
thing. You know, we try
to go in and get there as close

574
00:49:44.159 --> 00:49:47.280
to daylight as possible and try to
get in our spot where we want to

575
00:49:47.320 --> 00:49:52.199
be as close to daylight, you
know, before anything moves. And he

576
00:49:52.360 --> 00:49:58.280
had said that he saw something run
across the side of this hill which was

577
00:49:58.320 --> 00:50:01.239
really steep because I've been on that
hill a bunch of times myself, and

578
00:50:01.400 --> 00:50:06.440
said that it was absolutely flying on
the side of this hill and moving out

579
00:50:06.480 --> 00:50:09.239
of speed, that there was just
not humanly capable. And in that area,

580
00:50:09.280 --> 00:50:14.039
you know, there's a lot of
volcanic rock and there's a lot of

581
00:50:14.079 --> 00:50:16.559
shale, and he said that it
was just moving through there like it was

582
00:50:16.599 --> 00:50:24.280
nothing like it was on flat ground
essentially. That's really interesting. Yeah,

583
00:50:24.880 --> 00:50:36.760
definitely adds another another side to it
for sure. So before we had taken

584
00:50:36.800 --> 00:50:43.039
a small detour back to talk about
your initial sighting, we were talking about

585
00:50:43.360 --> 00:50:46.119
the tent camping, and we talked
about that for a little bit. Are

586
00:50:46.159 --> 00:50:52.320
there any other interesting things that you've
noticed over the years as well besides that,

587
00:50:53.679 --> 00:51:00.199
Yeah, So we also honted another
area that's a little close to the

588
00:51:00.199 --> 00:51:05.760
city that I live in. So
for context, the area where my first

589
00:51:05.760 --> 00:51:07.760
sighting occurred at is about three and
a half hours away from the city that

590
00:51:07.800 --> 00:51:13.079
I live in. But we also
go to this other area that's on the

591
00:51:13.079 --> 00:51:16.079
backside. Well, essentially, we
come in from the backside of the ski

592
00:51:16.159 --> 00:51:21.239
resort and we drop down on the
on top of the ridge. And if

593
00:51:21.280 --> 00:51:23.000
you look far down below, about
a thousand yards, you can see the

594
00:51:23.079 --> 00:51:28.559
lodge, parking lot all that area. But if you stay on that ridge

595
00:51:28.599 --> 00:51:31.920
line, you have a bunch of
slopes going down underneath you that all converge

596
00:51:31.960 --> 00:51:36.519
down at the base of the ski
resort. And we always stay on that

597
00:51:36.599 --> 00:51:39.119
ridge line, you know, and
there's a couple of game trails that are

598
00:51:39.159 --> 00:51:44.719
about forty to fifty yards below the
top of that ridge that we see deers,

599
00:51:44.760 --> 00:51:46.760
you know, first thing in the
morning, right before dark as well,

600
00:51:46.840 --> 00:51:52.360
they'll be cutting across there. So
me and my dad were posted up

601
00:51:52.400 --> 00:51:55.400
there in the afternoon. Usually we
take off from camp at about you know,

602
00:51:55.559 --> 00:52:00.400
depending on how the weather is that
that season, if it's a normally

603
00:52:00.519 --> 00:52:02.880
warm, we'll wait a little bit
later to take off from camp to go

604
00:52:02.960 --> 00:52:06.760
up the trail, you know,
and go on the backside of the ski

605
00:52:06.800 --> 00:52:10.880
resort and drop down on it.
And we were just sitting on one of

606
00:52:10.880 --> 00:52:14.400
the runs, So imagine the top
of the run, you know, where

607
00:52:14.400 --> 00:52:16.480
the ski lift lets you out at
and you strap your gear, and you

608
00:52:16.559 --> 00:52:20.440
know, sometimes there's a little bench
right there, you know, or different

609
00:52:20.519 --> 00:52:24.440
trail markers up at that area.
Well, we're looking down the run and

610
00:52:24.559 --> 00:52:35.000
we've seen deer crossing about halfway down
this this area, this specific ski run

611
00:52:35.039 --> 00:52:39.119
that we look at, and we
started hearing, i mean crashing of something

612
00:52:39.159 --> 00:52:43.559
that sounded like and we made a
joke even at first, is what is

613
00:52:43.559 --> 00:52:49.320
there a dinosaur cup going through this
thicket? So between ski runs you have

614
00:52:49.400 --> 00:52:52.519
the opening clearings, and generally you
have tree areas, you know, where

615
00:52:52.519 --> 00:52:55.719
people will do tree riding or or
you know, they haven't carved it out

616
00:52:55.760 --> 00:53:02.039
down the center yet. And we
just noticed there was just a lot of

617
00:53:02.159 --> 00:53:07.360
crashing and there was trees in that
area that were probably thirty feet tall that

618
00:53:07.440 --> 00:53:19.679
were actually swaying back and forth,
which I mean bears go through areas,

619
00:53:19.719 --> 00:53:22.480
you know, and they scratch against
trees or you know, they push against

620
00:53:22.480 --> 00:53:27.039
stuff. But whatever this was,
it was in this that was in the

621
00:53:27.079 --> 00:53:39.280
trees between the runs was absolutely sounded
absolutely massive. That must have been the

622
00:53:39.280 --> 00:53:45.719
weirdest thing ever to be honest,
to see no tree just start swaying and

623
00:53:45.760 --> 00:53:50.039
the crashing going on. I don't
know, Yes, I know, I

624
00:53:50.119 --> 00:53:52.559
know. And you know the problem
is being a hunter and stuff. I'm

625
00:53:52.559 --> 00:53:55.960
not sure if you've been around hunters
you know much or around that culture,

626
00:53:57.000 --> 00:54:00.400
but you always want to think that
you're the top dogs, you know,

627
00:54:00.599 --> 00:54:02.840
in the in the mountains. You
want to think you're, you know,

628
00:54:02.920 --> 00:54:07.159
the alpha this out there. But
and so it's kind of, you know,

629
00:54:07.960 --> 00:54:12.679
you kind of try not to be
like, oh man, I'm spooped,

630
00:54:12.719 --> 00:54:17.039
you know, or showing too much
fear. But that was definitely weird.

631
00:54:17.079 --> 00:54:22.639
I was just hoping that whatever was
inside that area did not pop out

632
00:54:22.920 --> 00:54:29.159
or come towards us, because whatever
it was was sounded absolutely massive. Mm.

633
00:54:30.480 --> 00:54:39.719
That's wild. Yeah. You know. A funny side note, Jeremiah,

634
00:54:42.960 --> 00:54:46.239
I okay, So I know you're
familiar with the Missing four in one

635
00:54:46.320 --> 00:54:55.280
series the data Pilty's all that he
had a part that had the Sierra sounds

636
00:54:55.280 --> 00:55:00.320
in it on I'm not sure which
volume it is. We'll come to find

637
00:55:00.360 --> 00:55:06.639
out. Two of the guys that
recorded the Sierra Sounds where lived in the

638
00:55:06.679 --> 00:55:14.880
same city that I did in California. Oh oh that's cool, Okay,

639
00:55:15.119 --> 00:55:19.599
yeah yeah. And and this is
the even crazier part about it is one

640
00:55:19.599 --> 00:55:22.440
of the guys, which he hasn't
gone on, you know, to Ron

641
00:55:22.519 --> 00:55:27.440
Moore. I don't know if ulse
will say that he, you know,

642
00:55:27.519 --> 00:55:30.800
has gone on different shows. One
of the guys has gone on different shows

643
00:55:30.840 --> 00:55:34.960
and been on documentaries. Well,
another one of the hunters that was with

644
00:55:35.039 --> 00:55:45.719
him ended up being the my parents
bought the house, brought the land from

645
00:55:45.800 --> 00:55:51.880
him that they built their house on. Really yeah, And and the weirdest

646
00:55:51.920 --> 00:55:53.199
thing is I've seen him around.
I mean I still see him to this

647
00:55:53.320 --> 00:55:58.039
day, you know, driving around
with his wife. And and they never

648
00:55:58.079 --> 00:56:00.800
broadcasted it, you know, or
anything. We had no clue, and

649
00:56:00.840 --> 00:56:05.280
we're watching this documentary and we're like, wait, we know these two guys

650
00:56:05.360 --> 00:56:08.760
right here, and one of them
his house. I can literally almost see

651
00:56:08.800 --> 00:56:12.840
from my parents' house, well the
back of his property at least I could

652
00:56:12.840 --> 00:56:16.559
see. So so you're definitely not
talking about Ron Moorehead. And that's that's

653
00:56:16.599 --> 00:56:21.159
public knowledge, Like Ron Moore.
Everyone knows about Ron Moorehead. But you're

654
00:56:21.159 --> 00:56:25.920
talking yeah, yeah, and and
my dad actually did know didn't know Ron

655
00:56:27.000 --> 00:56:29.960
too, but one of the other
hunters that was with him, and he

656
00:56:30.159 --> 00:56:36.039
there's pictures of him on that documentary
and they don't name him specifically, but

657
00:56:36.199 --> 00:56:37.679
I mean, we definitely know who
he is. Obviously, he's been on

658
00:56:37.760 --> 00:56:44.280
our city forever. But yeah,
to this day, I ride bikes and

659
00:56:44.280 --> 00:56:45.599
stuff and I see him out mowing
his yard and stuff, you know,

660
00:56:45.639 --> 00:56:49.079
and I I really want to go
up to him and talk to him,

661
00:56:49.079 --> 00:56:52.559
but he's in old school cowboy type
of guy, you know, and I

662
00:56:53.760 --> 00:57:00.000
just don't know how he's gonna respond
to it, really, So I I'll

663
00:57:00.119 --> 00:57:05.400
say this, if you ever,
if you ever feel so inclined and you

664
00:57:05.480 --> 00:57:14.159
do see him and you want to
go on a quest for for this podcast,

665
00:57:14.599 --> 00:57:16.480
if you if you feel so inclined, you could, I mean,

666
00:57:16.599 --> 00:57:21.599
if you do strike up a conversation
with him and let him know, Hey,

667
00:57:22.159 --> 00:57:27.280
if you ever does want to talk
about what happened during that time on

668
00:57:27.360 --> 00:57:31.440
a podcast, I would love to
interview this gentleman. It's I don't think

669
00:57:31.480 --> 00:57:36.079
he's ever been I mean, I
don't think he's ever been interviewed. I

670
00:57:36.119 --> 00:57:39.119
can't even think of what the guy's
name is, but he hasn't he has

671
00:57:39.199 --> 00:57:42.360
not that not that I know,
you know, and I've done a lot

672
00:57:42.400 --> 00:57:45.239
of research, and it's just so
wild to me that one of the guys

673
00:57:45.239 --> 00:57:52.960
that was involved with you know,
probably the you know, premiere recording,

674
00:57:52.960 --> 00:57:58.400
never went on the record really or
anything. That's that's that's wild. That's

675
00:57:58.440 --> 00:58:01.400
a huge synchronicity that you you actually
know who the dude is and there's that

676
00:58:01.920 --> 00:58:07.360
connection with the purchasing of property,
and yeah, I know, if it

677
00:58:07.400 --> 00:58:12.440
has happened, that would be that
would be wild if he would ever go

678
00:58:12.519 --> 00:58:15.920
on record and chat about Yeah,
I know, I know, I definitely,

679
00:58:15.039 --> 00:58:19.519
I definitely could. You know.
I wride bikes with one of my

680
00:58:19.559 --> 00:58:22.440
friends around here a lot on the
weekends and he's always out every Saturday fing

681
00:58:22.519 --> 00:58:27.239
his his yard and I always want
to stop, you know, but usually

682
00:58:27.280 --> 00:58:30.920
wearing a middle of a bike ride, and it's like, you know,

683
00:58:30.960 --> 00:58:32.920
I you just don't know how to
approach these type of things. You know,

684
00:58:32.960 --> 00:58:36.519
this isn't like a conversation where I
can just start out with that,

685
00:58:36.679 --> 00:58:40.159
you know, kind of got to
create a little bit of apported It is

686
00:58:40.280 --> 00:58:47.039
kind of a that's an interesting conversation
to just really launch into Yeah, and

687
00:58:47.119 --> 00:58:51.920
he's closer with my dad as in
like they've known each other for years.

688
00:58:52.239 --> 00:58:55.199
But I've always how I've been so
interested in the topic. I've always been

689
00:58:55.280 --> 00:58:59.119
like, man, if I could
just talk to him, you know,

690
00:58:59.280 --> 00:59:04.199
and just here is his first hand
experience of that, it would be absolutely

691
00:59:04.239 --> 00:59:07.280
amazing. Jordan, this is what
you gotta do. You gotta get your

692
00:59:07.320 --> 00:59:12.400
dad involved. Your dad is the
key to this, because it seems like

693
00:59:12.440 --> 00:59:15.519
they've been buddy buddy for years and
your dad's a big too, right like

694
00:59:16.280 --> 00:59:22.239
or he's been you know. And
that's the funny thing is is when all

695
00:59:22.280 --> 00:59:25.679
this had gone down, you know, years ago, and we kind of

696
00:59:25.719 --> 00:59:29.800
kept it hush hush or you know, every so often we talk about it,

697
00:59:29.880 --> 00:59:32.639
you know. And I noticed little
by little he started getting a lot

698
00:59:32.679 --> 00:59:37.199
more involved in the last couple of
years. I mean, as far as

699
00:59:37.199 --> 00:59:39.679
I catch it, he would be
watching, you know, stuff on YouTube

700
00:59:40.480 --> 00:59:43.920
before he moved, you know,
and they moved out of state. He

701
00:59:43.960 --> 00:59:46.679
would be watching stuff on YouTube and
go over their house and he was watching

702
00:59:46.679 --> 00:59:50.880
a documentary or Missing four and long
and stuff, and I noticed it.

703
00:59:50.960 --> 00:59:54.960
Definitely, he's definitely gotten a lot
more open minded. You know than than

704
00:59:55.000 --> 01:00:00.760
I thought he would ever be about
the topic absolute. I mean, that

705
01:00:00.880 --> 01:00:04.559
was quite the rabbit trail we we
just went on. But I'm I'm glad

706
01:00:04.599 --> 01:00:07.280
we went. That's pretty cool,
I know, I know, I was

707
01:00:07.360 --> 01:00:12.400
just I hearde a little note about
that, you know, and it's just

708
01:00:12.519 --> 01:00:16.360
a it's just a weird little tidbit
that because you know, and and a

709
01:00:16.400 --> 01:00:20.599
lot of old a lot of the
older hunters around this area that I've come

710
01:00:20.639 --> 01:00:22.760
in contact with my dad and stuff, they would always tell it like almost

711
01:00:23.280 --> 01:00:25.719
like an urban legend, like,
you know, there's some guys from this

712
01:00:25.840 --> 01:00:31.599
area that have gone hunting up by
and they had a bunch of mysterious things

713
01:00:31.639 --> 01:00:37.079
happened to him, and they had
a recorder. They never said anything about

714
01:00:37.079 --> 01:00:38.480
recording audio, which was really weird
too, you know, and it was

715
01:00:38.519 --> 01:00:43.039
almost like a you know, like
an urban legend you tell everybody like,

716
01:00:43.079 --> 01:00:45.519
oh, and I never knew who
the guys were until I saw that documentary,

717
01:00:45.679 --> 01:00:50.360
and neither did my dad, which
is really all. So you're saying,

718
01:00:50.559 --> 01:00:53.719
like the recording of the SIRA sounds
were some like local legend you would

719
01:00:53.760 --> 01:00:58.960
hear and then you realized it's a
huge part of big for history Holy mackerel,

720
01:00:59.639 --> 01:01:02.639
yep, exactly, you know,
and we would say, you know,

721
01:01:02.760 --> 01:01:05.840
my dad would tell me, yeah, you know, there's some guys

722
01:01:05.880 --> 01:01:07.960
that, you know, had had
gone up to the high country and they

723
01:01:07.960 --> 01:01:10.960
had this stupid little you know,
honey hoole that they've always been hunting out

724
01:01:10.960 --> 01:01:15.400
of on horseback. And I assumed
that it was an actual cabin, not

725
01:01:15.639 --> 01:01:20.239
like a lean to, you know, or structure that was just built out

726
01:01:20.280 --> 01:01:22.519
there. I thought it was a
cabin, you know. And and we

727
01:01:22.559 --> 01:01:25.760
had heard stuff that something was pounding
on the side of their cabin and something

728
01:01:25.840 --> 01:01:30.719
spooked their horses and all these different
things, and then come to find it

729
01:01:30.920 --> 01:01:35.840
and find out the real story it
was just it was it was amazing.

730
01:01:35.880 --> 01:01:38.679
Honestly. I couldn't believe that,
you know. I, like I said,

731
01:01:38.679 --> 01:01:42.199
I almost want to get an autograph
from this guy, you know,

732
01:01:42.280 --> 01:01:46.079
and and have it somewhere in my
house. Oh, I mean that that

733
01:01:46.119 --> 01:01:50.920
would be that'd be so cool.
Do I need to cut out this part?

734
01:01:54.519 --> 01:02:01.519
Yeah? Probably, Okay, I
don't think. I don't know if

735
01:02:01.519 --> 01:02:06.920
they really like said that much.
I mean, I don't know if if

736
01:02:06.920 --> 01:02:10.480
that was actually you know, I
remember watching The Missing for one, but

737
01:02:10.519 --> 01:02:14.880
I don't know if they actually I
don't. I mean me personally, I

738
01:02:14.880 --> 01:02:16.360
have no clue where it is,
but I do know kind of the area

739
01:02:16.400 --> 01:02:20.719
that it's in. I think they
it's it's a missing forum on the hunted,

740
01:02:20.760 --> 01:02:22.760
and I think they leave it vague. I'd like they say it's somewhere

741
01:02:22.760 --> 01:02:25.920
in the Sierras. I believe it's
how they get it, but I think

742
01:02:25.960 --> 01:02:30.719
it's not. Many people know the
exact location of where it actually happened,

743
01:02:31.360 --> 01:02:35.320
and I think only those gentlemen do
you know, And I think one of

744
01:02:35.320 --> 01:02:38.360
them wrong took his wife there.
But other than that, they that's pretty

745
01:02:38.440 --> 01:02:42.280
much there. Well at the time
when it was, when they were allowing

746
01:02:42.320 --> 01:02:45.440
them to be up, there was
an area only a couple of those guys

747
01:02:45.559 --> 01:02:50.440
knew. It's just it's wild to
think that like the guys from that generation

748
01:02:50.679 --> 01:02:52.840
that would have been, like the
guys like Ron that went out during that

749
01:02:53.079 --> 01:02:57.320
time in the seventies, like,
I mean, those guys are almost gone.

750
01:02:57.519 --> 01:03:04.079
Like That's why I to take this
interviewing people extremely serious, especially when

751
01:03:04.159 --> 01:03:07.719
it's the older generation where they start
talking about how they were going out in

752
01:03:07.760 --> 01:03:12.519
the late seventies. I mean those
guys, yeah, it's almost I mean,

753
01:03:12.559 --> 01:03:15.039
even the guys in the nineties they're
getting old too, man that were

754
01:03:15.079 --> 01:03:20.880
researching, so I know, and
it's just those guys I didn't realize that

755
01:03:20.920 --> 01:03:24.719
they literally paved the way for a
lot of this stuff nowadays, you know.

756
01:03:24.800 --> 01:03:29.440
And of course the average person that
isn't into the topic isn't really going

757
01:03:29.519 --> 01:03:31.920
to know this. But you know, those guys are essentially, to me,

758
01:03:32.039 --> 01:03:37.159
some of the founding fathers of a
lot of this research. I would

759
01:03:37.199 --> 01:03:42.079
agree, if you had the chance
to see what you saw that one day

760
01:03:42.119 --> 01:03:47.599
again, would you want to see
that again? You know? And partially

761
01:03:50.480 --> 01:03:53.039
part of me wants to, but
the other part of me knows exactly,

762
01:03:53.800 --> 01:03:57.800
you know, what I saw that
day, So it's not like I need

763
01:03:57.800 --> 01:04:02.800
confirmation of any sorts. It would
be nice. But then again, after

764
01:04:02.960 --> 01:04:08.719
learning about different sightings and encounters,
I don't necessarily want to be close to

765
01:04:08.760 --> 01:04:13.280
something like that, or you know, I don't want to have some of

766
01:04:13.320 --> 01:04:17.280
these encounters where things are getting thrown
at me, or you know, I

767
01:04:17.360 --> 01:04:21.920
hear something going around our trailer at
night or you know, around our ten

768
01:04:21.960 --> 01:04:27.079
at night. I don't want anything
like that. Now from a hill with

769
01:04:27.159 --> 01:04:30.880
maybe a spotting scope or my binoculars. You know, a good four or

770
01:04:30.960 --> 01:04:34.320
five hundred yards away at least,
you know, would be ideal. But

771
01:04:34.480 --> 01:04:39.079
that's about as close as I really
want to get to anything like this.

772
01:04:44.239 --> 01:04:51.840
It's extremely interesting, you know.
And then I, you know, something

773
01:04:51.880 --> 01:04:57.800
that this whole event kind of didn't
plague me for years, but it always

774
01:04:57.840 --> 01:05:00.119
has been in my mind, and
you know, I needed to get some

775
01:05:00.239 --> 01:05:04.880
type of clarity, and I went
to you know, I go to church

776
01:05:04.960 --> 01:05:12.760
and I'm a believer, and I
went to a pastor that I'm very comfortable

777
01:05:12.960 --> 01:05:16.920
sharing stuff with and I trust his
guidance and he had kind of an interesting

778
01:05:17.000 --> 01:05:24.320
take on it that did kind of
opened my eyes to stuff or it.

779
01:05:25.039 --> 01:05:31.880
It definitely sparked a different way of
thinking about the whole. And he essentially,

780
01:05:32.519 --> 01:05:38.000
you know, said that there's a
spiritual realm that's around us, and

781
01:05:39.000 --> 01:05:43.280
you know, every so often that
veil is thin enough to where people see

782
01:05:43.280 --> 01:05:46.039
stuff. You know, that these
are occurrences that happen all the time,

783
01:05:46.880 --> 01:05:54.119
but for whatever reason, certain people
are able to view these things happening.

784
01:05:55.039 --> 01:05:59.639
And the reason that that kind of
resonated with me was because as the sun

785
01:05:59.800 --> 01:06:04.199
can continued to rise that morning,
I didn't. It should have been more

786
01:06:04.280 --> 01:06:09.199
visible, and instead it did the
exact opposite, or it just vanished as

787
01:06:09.239 --> 01:06:17.480
if it was almost supernatural in a
sense. So does that mean then that

788
01:06:18.280 --> 01:06:23.960
as the sun rose, you actually
saw the creature start to disappear in front

789
01:06:24.000 --> 01:06:30.360
of your eyes. No, not
in that aspect. It was just every

790
01:06:30.400 --> 01:06:33.480
so often, you know, I
kept you know, I like went and

791
01:06:33.519 --> 01:06:38.440
grabbed my bow real quick and was
loading up the vehicle, but in the

792
01:06:38.480 --> 01:06:42.320
meantime loading up the back of my
bed's jeep. But in the meantime,

793
01:06:42.360 --> 01:06:45.039
you know, I was keeping an
eye on that same area, same area,

794
01:06:45.719 --> 01:06:47.519
you know, and I kind of
stepped away for a second to get

795
01:06:47.559 --> 01:06:51.519
my bow set up and you know, make sure my ears were all secured

796
01:06:51.559 --> 01:06:55.960
in the quiver, and then put
it on my backpack and set it in

797
01:06:56.000 --> 01:06:59.400
the back of the jeep because we
were actually going to the hunt off this

798
01:06:59.480 --> 01:07:02.639
trailhead it's about a quarter of a
mile away from camp. And when I

799
01:07:02.679 --> 01:07:06.519
turned back around, it was just
completely gone, as if nothing was there

800
01:07:06.679 --> 01:07:15.840
at all, and nothing It was
the oddest thing that that is very odd.

801
01:07:15.920 --> 01:07:23.360
Yeah, it's just but you know
that that's happened before with you see,

802
01:07:23.400 --> 01:07:27.800
like a really big buck or you
know, sometimes you see wildlife and

803
01:07:28.679 --> 01:07:30.840
it's just in and out quick.
You know. It's almost like if you

804
01:07:30.880 --> 01:07:35.119
saw a ghost, you know,
but except this thing was tall walking towards

805
01:07:35.119 --> 01:07:51.239
a lake. So personally, yourself, have you come have you decided what

806
01:07:51.320 --> 01:08:01.480
you feel a bigfoot is yourself?
Then that's a pretty tough question. You

807
01:08:01.519 --> 01:08:05.960
know. For me, all its
movements and what it was doing one hundred

808
01:08:05.960 --> 01:08:12.440
percent reminded me of you know,
an animal going to a lake to get

809
01:08:12.480 --> 01:08:15.359
water, you know, first thing
in the morning. But then the part

810
01:08:15.399 --> 01:08:18.760
that has me stumped is the part
of how it just seemed. It seemed

811
01:08:19.000 --> 01:08:24.319
like it seemed to just vanish into
sin there at the end of it all.

812
01:08:28.319 --> 01:08:30.159
So you know, I know there's
two different there's two different camps,

813
01:08:30.159 --> 01:08:32.760
so to speak, and one is
that it's a physical creature and then the

814
01:08:32.800 --> 01:08:39.960
other one is the whole woo and
supernatural aspect. But it kind of had

815
01:08:40.039 --> 01:08:46.399
aspects of both for me and my
encounter. And you know what I'm how

816
01:08:46.439 --> 01:08:51.079
I'm starting to feel personally the more
I get into this is that I don't

817
01:08:51.079 --> 01:08:57.319
think it's out of the question to
have a physical creature that maybe can do

818
01:08:58.239 --> 01:09:03.840
weird stuff. That we just don't
understand in science yet that you considered paranormal,

819
01:09:03.960 --> 01:09:11.359
you know, like, yeah,
that'sir and the more that I research,

820
01:09:11.800 --> 01:09:14.439
you know, I'm kind of along
the same camp. There's just things

821
01:09:14.439 --> 01:09:17.560
we don't understand, and I'm okay
with that, you know, and maybe

822
01:09:17.800 --> 01:09:23.600
as time goes on, people will
you know, there will be more science

823
01:09:23.720 --> 01:09:26.920
or you know, it will be
accepted that animals can do this or that.

824
01:09:29.279 --> 01:09:35.920
Absolutely. I mean, we know
that some animals can influence their prey

825
01:09:36.119 --> 01:09:41.479
using infrasound, you know, to
make them scared or not be able to

826
01:09:41.560 --> 01:09:46.000
run, and honestly, I think
that this creature can also do that,

827
01:09:47.000 --> 01:09:51.520
and it's it's one of the scariest
things to think that a creature that large

828
01:09:53.000 --> 01:09:57.039
can do that. But we're just
we're learning more about it, and it

829
01:09:57.079 --> 01:10:00.239
feels like, you know, every
answer we get, there's two more questions,

830
01:10:00.279 --> 01:10:05.399
but that's that's part of the research
of it. So yeah, I

831
01:10:05.600 --> 01:10:14.159
definitely agree on that. But Jordan, it's been a real pleasure talking to

832
01:10:14.199 --> 01:10:20.239
you tonight, and I'm so glad
you're able to share your account with a

833
01:10:21.039 --> 01:10:27.000
with a listener base and be able
to feel comfortable enough to be able to

834
01:10:27.079 --> 01:10:32.399
do that. Did you have any
more closing thoughts before we wrapped up our

835
01:10:32.680 --> 01:10:40.680
time here tonight? Yeah, I
guess you know. Some things is it's

836
01:10:40.720 --> 01:10:45.159
great the guys like you, you
know and a couple other guys that I

837
01:10:45.199 --> 01:10:48.680
follow and listen to podcasts have a
platform like this where you're able to discuss

838
01:10:48.720 --> 01:10:55.119
things and not feel like you're being
judged about them. Is definitely something that

839
01:10:55.159 --> 01:11:00.359
I appreciate, you know. And
and in a lot of the fields and

840
01:11:00.479 --> 01:11:03.560
the field actually that I currently work
with, you know, you I've tried

841
01:11:03.600 --> 01:11:06.760
to have discussions with certain people,
you know, and a lot of times

842
01:11:06.800 --> 01:11:13.880
it's just brushed off r or people
make a smart comment regarding it, you

843
01:11:13.880 --> 01:11:16.520
know, and you can tell that
they don't really think it's serious or or

844
01:11:17.640 --> 01:11:20.159
you know, there's just to them, there's no way that any of this

845
01:11:20.279 --> 01:11:26.319
could could be real, you know. But it's just really important to have

846
01:11:26.359 --> 01:11:30.880
a place to actually discuss stuff like
this, you know, And it definitely

847
01:11:30.880 --> 01:11:35.000
helps when you have a good support
group around you, as in, like

848
01:11:35.520 --> 01:11:41.119
my girlfriend is very encouraging about it
all, you know, and she doesn't

849
01:11:41.119 --> 01:11:45.439
write it off as as just being
some tall tale or whopper story, you

850
01:11:45.479 --> 01:11:49.960
know. On same thing with my
parents, and you know, my dad

851
01:11:50.000 --> 01:11:57.279
has also been very over open minded, you know, and he actually and

852
01:11:57.319 --> 01:12:02.319
he actually helped me recall or mentions
some different things you know, that happened

853
01:12:02.319 --> 01:12:08.760
along the years, or a couple
of the different things that happened, and

854
01:12:09.159 --> 01:12:16.880
that was just huge. It's extremely
important to have a a support base like

855
01:12:16.960 --> 01:12:21.039
that. So I'm I'm so happy
to hear that you actually do have that.

856
01:12:21.159 --> 01:12:28.359
Not everyone is lucky enough to have
that support base, especially from people

857
01:12:29.039 --> 01:12:31.319
you know that they're related to and
that I love them as well. But

858
01:12:32.399 --> 01:12:38.399
yeah, you know, and I
still don't. I still you know,

859
01:12:38.600 --> 01:12:42.720
keep it pretty close to the chest, and this isn't something that you know,

860
01:12:42.800 --> 01:12:45.960
I just will discuss with anybody,
and so, you know, but

861
01:12:46.039 --> 01:12:49.119
at the same time, it is
it is good to have a close,

862
01:12:49.359 --> 01:12:54.239
you know, your closest people in
your life that are at least willing to

863
01:12:54.319 --> 01:12:58.199
hear you know, and not just
write you off, you know, as

864
01:12:58.239 --> 01:13:00.960
being crazy or or you know,
not knowing what you saw right out the

865
01:13:01.000 --> 01:13:08.119
gate. Absolutely well again, Jordan, thank you for coming on the show.

866
01:13:09.039 --> 01:13:15.720
Any If you happen to have anything
else interesting happen in future years,

867
01:13:15.720 --> 01:13:18.560
feel free to reach back out to
me. And it's been a pleasure chatting

868
01:13:18.600 --> 01:13:25.239
with you tonight. Yeah. Absolutely, and I definitely will. Please take

869
01:13:25.239 --> 01:13:30.279
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874
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875
01:13:51.960 --> 01:13:58.239
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876
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on my email. There's the list, all right. I'm going to use

877
01:14:00.680 --> 01:14:05.600
this space this week to announce that
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878
01:14:05.800 --> 01:14:10.920
organ as an attender. I won't
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879
01:14:10.960 --> 01:14:15.840
hanging out trying to interview people that
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880
01:14:15.840 --> 01:14:19.319
the Oakridge, Oregon area or surrounding
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881
01:14:19.359 --> 01:14:24.800
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882
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886
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special thank you to all the Bigfoot
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887
01:14:48.039 --> 01:14:54.079
your support that helps keep the show
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888
01:14:54.079 --> 01:14:57.520
at Big for Society, we're headed
to the moon, and here's a current

889
01:14:57.560 --> 01:15:01.399
update about going for time, so
here we go. As of five twenty

890
01:15:01.439 --> 01:15:05.640
two, you're now at two hundred
and two patroons out of eight hundred and

891
01:15:05.720 --> 01:15:11.640
twenty four needed. That's twenty four
point five to one percent, almost a

892
01:15:11.760 --> 01:15:15.199
quarter of the way there, guys, brings us down to six hundred and

893
01:15:15.279 --> 01:15:19.279
twenty two left to join the patroon. So a huge thank you to Barbara

894
01:15:19.279 --> 01:15:24.079
Gregory, Dana Craig, Jeff,
Steve, reckyde Norm Meghan, Dan,

895
01:15:24.239 --> 01:15:27.680
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896
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897
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Inger for joining recently. If you
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Forward slash the big Foot Society. I'll

899
01:15:42.560 --> 01:16:35.479
see you there and again, thanks
for listening. Her and I can get

900
01:16:35.520 --> 01:16:39.720
out here, we can tell our
stories. Maybe there's somebody else out there

901
01:16:39.760 --> 01:16:43.880
listening it's too afraid to tell their
story. Maybe this will give them the

902
01:16:44.000 --> 01:16:47.119
courage to come out. And I
feel so bad about it. Who cares

903
01:16:47.119 --> 01:16:50.640
what anybody's thinks. I know what
I saw, I know what's out there.

904
01:16:51.560 --> 01:17:12.920
That's all I care. Please let
people know, Please let them know.

905
01:17:13.199 --> 01:17:16.520
If you ever see one of these
things, you need to tell because

906
01:17:16.560 --> 01:17:30.199
if you don't, then shame on
you, you know, shame on you.

907
01:18:06.319 --> 01:18:14.479
Wait there's more. Monsterfest two is
coming up soon and Beautiful can'ton Ohio

908
01:18:14.520 --> 01:18:16.840
and I will be there doing a
live podcast. If you've ever wanted to

909
01:18:16.880 --> 01:18:21.680
meet Bigfoot Society in person, this
is the year to do it. My

910
01:18:21.800 --> 01:18:29.159
special guest in the live podcast episode
will be Justin from Cryptids of the Corn.

911
01:18:29.720 --> 01:18:33.239
You will not want to miss this
live episode and then you can hang

912
01:18:33.239 --> 01:18:40.039
out with me at Monsterfest. You
can go to Smalltown Monsters dot com to

913
01:18:40.119 --> 01:18:45.640
get your tickets pre sale tickets are
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914
01:18:45.640 --> 01:18:48.960
door will be twenty five dollars.
But kids twelve and under are free.

915
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How many places can you go to
where at kids twelve and under are free?

916
01:18:54.880 --> 01:18:59.600
Not many. New this year are
the live workshops. I'm excited about

917
01:18:59.600 --> 01:19:03.199
this, extremely excited. How to
cast a footprint, how to collect DNA

918
01:19:03.239 --> 01:19:10.159
in the woods, ghosts hunting tools
one oh one, how to do research.

919
01:19:12.119 --> 01:19:16.199
Also, there's going to be food
trucks outside this year and new guests,

920
01:19:16.760 --> 01:19:21.359
new speakers, people you won't I
mean, the coolest thing about last

921
01:19:21.399 --> 01:19:26.479
year is that I got to meet
people I was not expecting to be there,

922
01:19:26.520 --> 01:19:31.319
people like less Odell, John Hickinbottom, really cool, big people that

923
01:19:31.640 --> 01:19:36.039
I never would have thought that I
would have met before. And Seth Breedlove

924
01:19:36.880 --> 01:19:44.279
made it happen by making this incredible
place for the community to get together.

925
01:19:44.600 --> 01:19:48.600
Monsterfest in kant Ohio June twenty eighth
through twenty ninth. Guys, do not

926
01:19:48.760 --> 01:19:53.359
miss this year. If you missed
last year, don't miss this year.

927
01:19:53.439 --> 01:19:59.760
Head on over right now to Smalltown
Monsters dot com. I hope to see

928
01:19:59.760 --> 01:19:59.960
you there.