Sept. 2, 2025

Skunk Ape Terror in Florida! | Archives

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Season 1

What happens when a Florida researcher spends every weekend in the swamps chasing legends — and ends up face-to-face with the Skunk Ape?In this gripping episode, we sit down with Marie Dumont, founder of the Mid Florida Bigfoot Research Group, who shares her most chilling encounters from across the Sunshine State. From the Green Swamp to the Ocala National Forest and even Jennings State Forest near Jacksonville, Marie has documented structures, footprints, and one unforgettable night when something heavy walked around her campsite — and even bumped her car.You’ll hear about the Skunk Ape’s strange behavior: unzipping backpacks to steal grapefruits, raiding coolers for raw hamburger patties, and turning teddy bears face-first against trees in bizarre “games.” Plus, we dive into the mystery of Florida’s four-toed tracks, why the Everglades may produce a more aggressive Skunk Ape, and how infrasound left one researcher doubled over and sick.More than just a Florida cryptid story, this episode uncovers how legends of the Skunk Ape connect to survival, adaptation, and the hidden wilderness of the South.

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You're listening to Bigfoot Society, and I'm Jeremiah Byron. In

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this show, we go beyond the campfire stories to bring

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you first hand encounters from people who say they've seen

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something impossible. From backwoods trails and remote mountain haulers to

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quiet farms and crowded highways. The stories come from everywhere,

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and each one leaves us with more questions than answers.

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These are the voices of the people who've lived it.

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To settle in, because today you'll hear another account that

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just might change the way you see the woods forever.

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So stay with us at big for Society. We've got

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the privilege of talking to Marie Dumont from down there

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in Florida, Mid Florida Bigfoot Research Group. How's it going tonight? Marie?

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Very good? How are you, Jeremiah.

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I'm doing great. I'm excited to chat with you. I

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don't get to talk to a lot of people from

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Florida on the podcast, but can you tell us a

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little bit about the Mid Florida Bigfoot Research Group? Marie?

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Oh boy? Okay, so.

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I well, first of all, you can find the Mid

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Florida Bigfoot Research Group on Facebook, Instagram, and YouTube.

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And I also have a website.

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It's mid Florida, mid Florida bigfoot dot com and there

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you can see you know, research gallery, photos, you know,

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press and media. There's facts about Florida. There's bios for

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our team members, so you can get to learn a

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little bit more about us if you like. But anyway,

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I started the group five years ago. I've always I've

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always been into the paranormal. I've been a paranormal investigator

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for over thirty years. And it started out with ghost

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hunting UFOs and then I had some friends who were

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very interested in Bigfoot. So I wasn't really too interested

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at the time, but I was like, yeah, let me,

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you know, let me check this out. So it's because

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of that that I started to go out with them

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and we would go to the O'calla National Forest and

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look around. And what really did it for me was

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I was on a camp out with my friends and

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a bunch of probably about fifteen other people. We were

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in the Ukalan National Forest and just a primitive, just

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a spot we just picked, and about one thirty in

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the morning, we heard this huge vocalization, just one long,

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lengthy It would be classified probably like the classic Ohio

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big Foot call. It was unbelievable. And all this happened

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on the coldest night of the year when we were camping,

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like I said, at one thirty in the morning, and

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that's what solidified it for me. That's when I was like,

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I've got to look into this. I want to be

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the one to prove that they do exist in Florida,

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bigfoots and scumcapes.

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So that's how the journey began. Then I started going

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on Facebook.

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Trying to find a group, a Florida group that specialized

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in just Florida research, and at the time, I couldn't

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find anything. So that was when I decided to start

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my own group. And you know, like I said, I've

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had her for five years. I have over seven thousand

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members now and it's just wonderful. It's a place where

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Florida researchers and individuals can go there not be ridiculed.

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They can share their stories, they can share their evidence,

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You share their knowledge, because that's what this is about.

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That's what it's supposed to be about, sharing knowledge with

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each other because we all have something to learn from

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one another.

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So that's why I do it, and it's it's been wonderful.

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And I have my.

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Own research team and there's four of us. It's me

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and Mike Aular, Ruby, Joe Brew and Chris Hensley, and

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we are very dedicated, very serious Bigfoot in skun Gape researchers.

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We are out in the field in the swamps and

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what's every single weekend and we have been for the

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past five years, every single weekend, sometimes more than one

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day of the weekend. So it's it's just been an

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incredible journey and I'm just so grateful.

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That's amazing. So every pretty much you said every weekend

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of every weekend. Wow. Is this primarily an Okawa National

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Forest or do you guys have kind of go around

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to different areas.

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We go to different areas.

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We're mostly in central Florida, which I'm in Tampa, you know.

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Mike is in an area called Wesley Chapel More, North Tampa.

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So the places we go to are.

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I've been to Thecla National Forest, like I said, but

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typically we go to areas north of Tampa and Pascoe County.

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We go to the Green Swamp, which is over by Lakeland.

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We go outside of Tampa, which would be around Hillsboro

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State Park.

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Morris Bridge Road Highway three oh one, and so we

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just kind of rotate.

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You know, we have places that we have found be

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interesting and some of the places are very interesting.

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They never disappoint.

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Every time we go out there, we will find something

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very weird, and.

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So we just kind of rotate. We rotate around to

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these areas.

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But we do have one particular active research area that

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we've had now for over two years and you talk

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about crazy activity.

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It's been unbelievable.

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And so, you know, probably maybe about ten places total

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in our area. And then we'll go down to the

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Everglades because David Chiley is an honorary team member. He's

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a skun Gate expert, so he's found the Everglades. We'll

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go down there and do research with him, or he'll

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come up to Tampa and go researching with us.

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So we work closely together with him as well. And so.

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But we've also been to other places in South Florida,

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depending on you know, if we're going to go on

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a camp out investigation or around Jacksonville, which is where

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we had incredible stuff happening there at Jennings State Forest

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in February.

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So Dave Sheeley is one of the individuals. I've always

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wanted to meet him. I'm actually looking forward to meeting

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him in Oakridge. I'm going to be out in Oakridge.

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Yes, yes, it.

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Should be a fun time. There's a lot of really

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cool individuals that are going to be there. And yeah,

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he is a person I have yet to meet. Oh, yeah,

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it'll be a good time.

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Yeah it is. You'll like him.

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He's buried down to earth. Nice guy and we're going.

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We're also going with him. Mike and I have been

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asked to speak at the Meddling Falls Bigfoot Festival, which

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is in Washington and that's on Father's Day weekend June fifteenth,

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so that's for a month from now, so we'll be

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going there and we'll be doing a presentation about bigfoots

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and skuncapes and flora. So if anybody is in that

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area going to that festival, please, you know, attend our

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presentation or if you see us walk around, stop by

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say hi, introduce yourself and you know it's gonna be great.

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I wish I was going to the Oregon one too.

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Madeleine is one of those that always comes up as

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a one that's really worth it to make the trip

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out to. So that's pretty cool that you're able to

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uh to get out there to speak for that. There's

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there's something I've noticed that you've said a few times,

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and I want to I want to hone in on

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it just for a little bit because it's kind of

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something that's always been in the back of my mind too.

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About Florida. You've mentioned a few times the terms bigfoot

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in skunk cape in the same sentence. But if they

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are two different things, So I'm really curious about what

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your your your thoughts are as to UH, is SKUNCP

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bigfoot or is this two different creatures that we are

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seen there in Florida.

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Well, our team tends to believe that there are two

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separate species of you know. We have the reason why

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we believe that is the reports in different areas of

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Florida are different.

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So, say, for instance, Central Florida.

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To North Florida, the reports are the typical bigfoots a

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little smaller. They're usually six to nine feet tall, right,

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and they are you know, more muscular, they're beefy, they're

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you know, reddish brown hair, five toes and all that stuff.

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But once you listen, when you hear reports and eyewitness fightings,

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of what's down in South Florida what they've encountered. The

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they're very different, and it seems to be a smaller

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creature which is five the seven feet tall and very thin,

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and it has four toes, not five.

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Toes, four toes. That's interesting that that comes up in

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different places as well. Yes, have you found that the

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two one seems to be more aggressive? Is a skuncape

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a more aggressive creature or the big foot in the

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north of Florida more aggressive? Have you found anything like

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that in reports?

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Not that much, except that I would.

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What I don't know how to say this skuncapes, You know,

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there's the majority of them seem to be in the

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Everglades area. The Everglades area is about three million acres, okay,

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and so that's where it seems to be the biggest

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population is. So everything in the Everglades is out to

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kill you, Okay. So you've got Florida panthers, you've got

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Burmese pythons, you've got other dangerous killer snakes, you have.

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You know, you have.

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Coyotes, You've got all these things, the alligators, crocodiles. You know,

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it's very hard to you know, step into the swamps

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and the everglades and not encounter something that's out to

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get you. So that's why the skuncapes seem to be

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a little more aggressive, probably because they have.

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To be right. They have to be in order to

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survive when you're dealing with.

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All of those creatures, especially alligators and crocodiles and panthers, python, snakes. So,

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you know, but we do believe that the skunk cake

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could be a subspecies of bigfoots Now, there is a

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what's it called it, there's a rule called Bergman's rules,

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if you've ever heard of that before, that states that

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the closer you get to the equator, the smaller animals

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will be. So, for instance, deer deer and North Florida

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are big, but you go down to.

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Like the keys or whatever. We've got a key deer

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which are tiny.

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They're like the size of a dog, very small, but

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they have to be in order to survive because of the.

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Heat and humidity that is down there.

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You know, something big and bulky and huge cannot serve

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with all the muscle and the hair and stuff. It's hot,

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it's very humid, you know, the feel like temperatures can

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be over one hundred and ten degrees down there, so

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it's miserable. It's miserable here, it's more miserable down the Everglades.

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So that's that's why there seems to be a difference

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four toes versus five toes. Don't know, maybe there's been

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some inner breeding along the way, some kind of defect,

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geneic defit, or if you think about skunk apes, an ape,

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they probably need longer toes in order to climb the

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trees like in the Everglades, to get out of the water,

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which is always.

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A possibility as well.

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So maybe that's why they got these long four toes.

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But I'll show you right here. I have a it's

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a copy of a cast that what if I part

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time team members found down south.

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Okay, I'll show it to you here if you can

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see it. Can you see it?

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Oh yeah, well see the cour toes. Yeah. Interesting.

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Yeah, so it's pretty cool. But that's the kind of thing.

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And this is a very narrow print as well, So

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maybe they are that way because they have to climb trees,

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and they need toes to be able to climb up

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a tree, you know, a cypress tree or whatever in

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the Everglades. When I was out there, with my team

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a few years ago. We were walking down this dry

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path where there's water on both sides. Right, it's the Everglades,

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and I looked over the left. I look up in

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the tree and it looks like a giant hammock about

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ten feet long, maybe eight feet wide, made with thousands

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of vines like they were all just like clumped together.

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It would be the perfect.

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Place for something to get up there and sleep, to

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get up there and.

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Get out of the water.

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It was in the water, but it wasn't too far

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off the dry path. It's the perfect spot. It looked

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like a hammock, not saying that's what it is, but

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it could be used whether it's a skunkgate or.

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Maybe a panther.

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A panther could jump up there and sleep to get

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out of the water, you know, the watery conditions.

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So you know, I think when most people think of

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the skun cap, they probably think of the Mayaco photo. Yes,

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and you know that kind of has an orangutang, Yes,

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orangutan look to it. Have you found that in your

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reports that there's sometimes characteristics reports that are close to

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what orangutan would look like.

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Yes, yes, absolutely, the majority of the Skunk Cape. Sightings

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are of a reddish brown creature and if you look

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at that picture of the you know, the Mayaka picture,

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it is reddish, you know, in color, but it has

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some white on its face and stuff like that.

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But some people have said it kind of looks like amerangutang,

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but orangutang's you know, don't get to be five to

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seven feet tall, so we don't know what it is,

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but it's pretty fascinating.

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You mentioned the Green Swamp earlier, and that's a location

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that is starting to come up in different bits of media.

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I've noticed different videos on YouTube, documentaries, et cetera. Have

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you experienced any things in that area?

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Yeah, And what's really interesting, we've had some like paranormal

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stuff happen out there really well bigfooting that's where the

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majority of the stuff has been. So, you know, we've

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found structures, we have found prints out there. Part time

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team member of doctor Bill Hewitt and Bigfoot Dave Miller.

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They were camping out there one night and.

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Dave was in a tent and his head something but

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large hands put their hands underneath his head and lifted

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his head up in the tent to where he was

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at an upright sitting position, and then it gently put

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him back down.

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That's not normal, that's not you know, pairs not going

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to do that.

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No, I mean, how do you explain giant hands lifting

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his head through the tent?

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You know, that's that's a whole new level of take

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you out if I wanted to.

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Absolutely, absolutely. But earlier in the day, they were hiking

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and they found a grapefruit tree, a wild grapefruit tree,

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and so they were like, oh cool. You know, they

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picked a couple of the grapefruits and they stuck it

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in the backpack, and then you know, when they were done,

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they went to the camp and that night is when

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this creature came to their camp site did what it

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did with Dave, and then it also.

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Opened up the coolers.

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It took out a stack of hamburgers, raw hamburgers, and

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so you know, there's paper between the hamburg patties. There

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was a trail of white square papers leading out of

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the campgrounds. So it was eating hamburgers, throwing the paper

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down ate the next burger while it's walking. It was

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just throwing down the paper. I was eating the hamburgers.

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Oh well, but.

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They checked the backpack. It had taken the grapefruits.

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It then zipped the backpack, took out the grapefruits, zipped the.

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Backpack closed again.

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So it saw them picking the grapefruits. It's probably his

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favorite tree, its favorite fruit or whatever food item, and

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he wanted it back. So he found them and got

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the grape fruits pack. He ain't got hamburgers in the.

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Process, right, so extra extra bonus for him. Were there

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any tracks found around the campsite. No, okay, wow, that's

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really weird.

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No, it's just hard, you know, it's just hard and

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leaves and pining needles and stuff like that.

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Very trumpacted.

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It wasn't a loose you know, it wasn't loose such

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straight or anything.

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Has there been a time when you've been out researching

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in the field and just things got very intense and

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you're like, if I could get out of here, I

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could get out of here.

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I haven't. I have not. I have not.

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But team member Mike, he's been hit with infrasound about

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two or three times, so he has had that we

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got to get out of here. We got to get

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out of here, or he'll feel very physically ill, he'll

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have to sit down, he'll throw up, and so he's

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he's experienced in forsound about three times. I'm total while

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we've been out, I don't experience the fear. I don't

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know if it's because of my paranormal background. I've seen

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all kinds of strange things, so.

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I don't know.

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I'm just not that fearful. But I'm sure something walked.

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If a bigfoot walked out in front of me, I'd

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probably be a little.

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Scared, but.

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Most people would, yeah.

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But also very fascinated.

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Absolutely. What do you think that the closest that you've

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been to a big foot Earth's gun Cape would be?

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Okay, the closest would have been.

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In February, my mo went camping at Jennings State Forest

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and that's by Jacksonville. We went on a weekend camp

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out there. We were meeting up with Mike fam a

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lot from Shadow, a big red eye, a good friend

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of ours, and he always comes down the floor and

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in the wintertime and we.

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Always go out with him.

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So he picked Jennings because there's been reports there, and

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I really didn't.

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Know that much about the reports.

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But we went there on a Friday, and when we

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got there, it had rain, just lightly, not too much,

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and we became friends with a couple of volunteers who

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were doing like security. They were driving around the campground

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and stuff like that, and so they took us out

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at night. You're not supposed to go out at night,

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but they took us out, and they took us to

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this one interesting spot by the power lines, and so

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we got out of the car and we're just like

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looking around as pitch black.

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You know, I have my little flashlight.

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We weren't really prepared to go out exploring, but they

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took us out here. So everybody was kind of like

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standing around talking and there was a like a forest road.

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It was all sand.

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It had been tilled, so it was, you know, really

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clumpy and stuff like that.

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Yeah, it was probably.

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Tilled, you know, two weeks prior or something like that.

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And I had my flashlights. Saw one of the roads

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was really dark and creepy looking, and of course that's

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going to appeal to me. So I was like, screw it,

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I'm just going to go take a walk down this

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path and just see what I can find. You know,

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it's sand, right, So I'm looking and I see what

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looks like a footprint, and I'm like, hmm, and then

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I'm looking for another one. I find another one and

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I'm like, okay, this isn't sugar sand, so it's not

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well defined, but it's enough that you can see the toast.

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You could see toes.

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And so I called the rest of the Mike and

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Chris over. Ruby was with me, and I said, take

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a look at this. I said, this looks like these

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look like prince and this looks like a trackway, and

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they're like, yeah, it does. And so we quickly did

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a measurement. The prince were sixteen inches long and the

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stride between the prince was fifty four inches. So that

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was like, this is amazing, but it's pitch black. It's

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like almost midnight. So we stuck a couple of sticks

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on the ground so we could come back the next

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morning and take a closer look at them. Right, so bye,

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We put the sticks out, and then we'd leave and

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we go back to our campground.

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Now, Ruby and I were at one campground.

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Mike and Chris we're at another campground next to us,

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and then mike family lot was at the last campground where.

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Ruby and I were at. Her and I were car camping.

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We were parked probably fifteen eighteen feet away from each other,

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so we gave each other plenty of privacy in room.

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But we were sleeping in our cars. And one thing

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about me is that whenever I go somewhere, I can

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never sleep on the first night ever.

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So here I am. I'm in my car.

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But prior to that, for some reason, I asked Ruby

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what time you get up in the morning.

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I don't know why I asked or that, but I did,

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and she.

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Says, I'm around four thirty or five, and I'm like, what,

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that's crazy. So anyway, so I'm in my car. Of

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course I'm trying to sleep and I'm just like, I

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can't and it's pitch black. I have shades on my

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windows and everything. And then probably around four or five

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in the morning, I hear something loud walking by Bailey.

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On the driver's side of my car.

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It's just boom boom, boom boom, and I'm like, is

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Ruby up? Why is she walking so loud? That doesn't

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make sense why she would be walking so loud. I

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just hear boom boom, boom boom, and.

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I'm like, it's just really weird. And then something bumped

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my car. I went, WHOA, like.

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That and I'm like, oh. I'm like, I'm still not

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believing it's anything weird. I'm still thinking it's Ruby, right,

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And I'm like, why is Ruby bumping into my car?

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Why is she getting that close to my car?

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It's like four or five in the morning, it's pitch

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black outside, and I was like, Wow, that's really weird.

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I'm like, huh, this is I'm not sure about this.

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So in the morning, when the light, when everything got light,

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I got out of my car, looked around, didn't see

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Ruby anywhere. I thought, okay, well, maybe she got up

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early and went for a hike. In the meantime, I

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walked down to where Mike and Chris were at their campsite.

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I wanted to eat breakfast, and so Mike comes out

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of his tent and he starts telling me about how

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he couldn't sleep at all that night either, and something

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bipedal and heavy walked around their tents and their campsite,

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and I was like, we had I had the same

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thing happened, The exact same thing happened, I said, but.

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It pushed my car, it bumped my car.

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So it was then that we're like, oh goodness, we

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have a bigfoot that's walking around, bumped my car, walked

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around Mike and Chris is tents. Chris didn't hear it

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because he was asleep. Amazing, amazing. So I go back

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to my campsite. Ruby gets out of her car and

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I'm like, oh, what are you doing? I said, did

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you just get up? She said, yeah, I just got up.

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And I'm like, oh, so you didn't get up at

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four or five in the morning like you said. She's like, no,

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I'm just getting up now. And I'm like, it was

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definitely a big thing. So after breakfast, we got on

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the trucks. We went to where the trackway was and

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so we could get a better look at it.

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We brought casting material.

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We tried to cast two of the best ones we

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could find, but our mixture I think was too thick.

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I wish it was a little more watery where it

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would possibly pick up the toes better. But Mike has

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an iPhone and there is a app there called scan Verse,

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and you could do a three D scan of the prints,

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and so he did and it turned out amazing. You

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could definitely see the toes. It's cool because you can

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it's interactive, you can move it around, you can look

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at it from different angles, you can see how deep

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it was, and it was a deep The prints were deep.

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They were probably about three inches deep.

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And like I said, the stride was fifty four inches

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sixteen inch prince and they went for about a quarter

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of a mile and ended at a creek. So what

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an amazing weekend, amazing four hours? Right?

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That is wild? It was that was talked about in

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the Bigfoot Times.

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Yes, yes, yes, and that's on my wall back there.

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I can see it right, Yes, that's awesome.

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Yes, Bigfoot Times March twenty twenty four edition. We made

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the cover and because Daniel Perez reached out to me

464
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and he's like, who found the Prince, and I said

465
00:30:01.000 --> 00:30:04.200
I did, and he's like, I want to talk to you.

466
00:30:04.759 --> 00:30:07.480
And so he interviewed me and I sent him pictures

467
00:30:07.720 --> 00:30:11.839
and he put us on the cover of the March issue,

468
00:30:11.960 --> 00:30:18.279
which was a huge achievement for us. And it was

469
00:30:18.359 --> 00:30:23.039
quite an honor to be recognized in that way. And

470
00:30:23.079 --> 00:30:29.319
it's an unbelievable story. So much happened that one night,

471
00:30:29.880 --> 00:30:30.079
you know.

472
00:30:31.079 --> 00:30:36.720
So definitely, if listeners haven't heard of The Bigfoot Times

473
00:30:36.799 --> 00:30:39.160
and you like to nerd out about Bigfoot, you need

474
00:30:39.200 --> 00:30:43.400
to look that up and get a subscription to it.

475
00:30:43.400 --> 00:30:45.920
It's a print news letter that comes to you in

476
00:30:45.960 --> 00:30:48.480
the mail every month and talks about all the bigfoot

477
00:30:48.480 --> 00:30:51.359
stuff that you won't hear anywhere else. That's very cool.

478
00:30:51.680 --> 00:30:54.880
Yeah, the lais is the greatest news in the bigfoot community.

479
00:30:54.960 --> 00:30:56.519
Yeah. He does a great job with it.

480
00:30:56.640 --> 00:30:57.519
He does a great job.

481
00:30:57.799 --> 00:31:02.000
So yes, So that was That was the closest that

482
00:31:02.039 --> 00:31:06.680
I've really ever been to a bigfoot him outside my car.

483
00:31:06.880 --> 00:31:10.279
Which is awesome. Yeah, I mean that's that's pretty close.

484
00:31:10.400 --> 00:31:13.640
Like you can your car is actually sounds like it

485
00:31:13.680 --> 00:31:15.039
was jostled back and forth.

486
00:31:15.119 --> 00:31:19.519
Yeah, it was bumped from the back, It was bumped.

487
00:31:19.160 --> 00:31:19.640
On the back.

488
00:31:19.799 --> 00:31:22.960
Okay. Have you been back to that area since at

489
00:31:22.960 --> 00:31:23.359
that time?

490
00:31:25.079 --> 00:31:30.519
Yeah, not yet, probably next winter, just because it's getting

491
00:31:30.519 --> 00:31:35.000
too hot now and it's about for us three and

492
00:31:35.039 --> 00:31:38.759
a half hour drive to get there, and but this

493
00:31:38.920 --> 00:31:42.480
time of year it's not good for camping. It's just

494
00:31:42.680 --> 00:31:45.839
too buggy, it's too hot and miserable. But next winter

495
00:31:46.279 --> 00:31:47.119
we probably will.

496
00:31:47.559 --> 00:31:55.319
Okay. Have you heard of similar situations or sightings in

497
00:31:55.359 --> 00:31:57.880
that same area? Is that something you've looked into?

498
00:31:58.960 --> 00:32:02.960
Well, I I heard I heard a story or read

499
00:32:03.039 --> 00:32:06.759
about a story like a couple of weeks ago of

500
00:32:06.839 --> 00:32:08.640
somebody who went to.

501
00:32:10.119 --> 00:32:11.240
They knew about the.

502
00:32:11.160 --> 00:32:17.279
Area, and they said, what's common The common reports there

503
00:32:17.319 --> 00:32:21.240
are a creature that jumps over the roads.

504
00:32:22.480 --> 00:32:24.599
And hangs around the campgrounds.

505
00:32:27.920 --> 00:32:31.160
M jumps over the roads. That's a jump over.

506
00:32:31.599 --> 00:32:35.920
Yeah, jumps over the roads and goes in the campgrounds.

507
00:32:36.119 --> 00:32:39.480
And I didn't know any of this beforehand. I found

508
00:32:39.480 --> 00:32:45.640
this out afterwards. So when I heard they go on

509
00:32:45.759 --> 00:32:49.680
the campgrounds, I'm like, oh, yeah, here, that's exactly what

510
00:32:49.839 --> 00:32:50.680
happened to us.

511
00:32:51.559 --> 00:32:54.720
So we were very lucky right place at the right time.

512
00:32:55.839 --> 00:32:59.880
Have you ever been able to talk to me guessing

513
00:33:00.079 --> 00:33:04.200
Iowa we call him d n R. Any any forestry

514
00:33:05.400 --> 00:33:15.319
workers or any any officials state park employees about about

515
00:33:15.359 --> 00:33:17.599
big fight activities? Has that ever come up? Or is

516
00:33:17.599 --> 00:33:18.240
a thing where.

517
00:33:18.119 --> 00:33:20.200
It's in that area or just in Florida?

518
00:33:20.359 --> 00:33:23.000
Just I guess in any of your any of your

519
00:33:23.079 --> 00:33:23.880
areas that you.

520
00:33:24.799 --> 00:33:32.480
Yes, Yes, We've befriended a park ranger and he's totally

521
00:33:32.480 --> 00:33:37.039
in the Bigfoot, which is awesome because you never think

522
00:33:37.079 --> 00:33:40.680
about park rangers being into that, you know. And so

523
00:33:41.480 --> 00:33:45.920
it was funny because Ruby and I were out doing

524
00:33:45.920 --> 00:33:50.200
an investigation over around where were we at Morris Bridge

525
00:33:50.279 --> 00:33:53.400
Road outside of Tampa, and I came back to Mike

526
00:33:53.680 --> 00:33:56.920
O was Chris came back to the car and there

527
00:33:57.000 --> 00:34:01.039
was a teeny tiny little bigfoot figurine that was left

528
00:34:01.359 --> 00:34:05.680
by my door handle on my window, and I'm like.

529
00:34:05.799 --> 00:34:09.039
What is this? And the truck pulls up.

530
00:34:09.119 --> 00:34:11.800
He's like, hey, I saw your bigfoot stickers and I

531
00:34:11.840 --> 00:34:13.280
thought i'd leave your presence.

532
00:34:13.320 --> 00:34:18.519
So he was a park ranger. So then we started talking.

533
00:34:18.639 --> 00:34:20.719
We talked to him for like an hour and a half,

534
00:34:21.559 --> 00:34:28.039
sharing stories, things he's heard, things we've heard, just compared notes.

535
00:34:28.360 --> 00:34:33.599
Amazing stuff, absolutely amazing, and so we're good friends with

536
00:34:33.719 --> 00:34:39.679
him now, which is awesome. And some of the there's

537
00:34:39.719 --> 00:34:46.239
been reports around outside of Tampa in his area, and

538
00:34:46.599 --> 00:34:51.679
he's heard of three reports of a whitish grayish bigfoot's

539
00:34:51.719 --> 00:34:57.800
been seen, and so one of the reports is a

540
00:34:57.920 --> 00:35:01.079
lady in my group, and then another guy in my

541
00:35:01.159 --> 00:35:05.800
group came forward with a similar story. So I told

542
00:35:05.800 --> 00:35:09.400
the park ranger that, so now he knows there's four

543
00:35:09.519 --> 00:35:14.239
reports of a whitish grayish bigfoot that's been seen outside

544
00:35:14.239 --> 00:35:17.960
of Tampa in the swamps, and it's been most of

545
00:35:17.960 --> 00:35:21.639
the reports have been in a ditch off the side

546
00:35:21.639 --> 00:35:24.880
of the road, a very busy road, but it's been

547
00:35:25.000 --> 00:35:31.719
very early morning hours that they've been seeing. So it's

548
00:35:32.079 --> 00:35:35.840
fun to be friends with a park ranger guy who

549
00:35:36.480 --> 00:35:38.760
can get that information. I asked him, I said, what

550
00:35:38.760 --> 00:35:41.280
do you guys do with the information? If somebody tells

551
00:35:41.320 --> 00:35:44.960
you a bigfoot story or report, what do you do

552
00:35:45.039 --> 00:35:48.000
with it? Do you report it to your superiors or whatever?

553
00:35:48.119 --> 00:35:51.199
And he's like, yeah, we tell him, but nothing's ever

554
00:35:51.280 --> 00:35:57.000
done with you know, anything that said. But he himself,

555
00:35:57.400 --> 00:36:00.599
you know, keeps his stored up here because he's totally

556
00:36:00.599 --> 00:36:04.840
into all that. And and then you know, he'll tell

557
00:36:04.880 --> 00:36:08.960
me stuff that as it reported or as it.

558
00:36:09.039 --> 00:36:11.920
Happens or whatever. So that's a that's a good connection

559
00:36:12.079 --> 00:36:12.280
to have.

560
00:36:13.039 --> 00:36:15.119
Yeah, that's the kind of that's the kind of guy

561
00:36:15.239 --> 00:36:18.119
we all need to have. A reminds me of like

562
00:36:18.360 --> 00:36:22.519
John Hickinbottom from Salt Fork State Park. He's a naturalist

563
00:36:22.719 --> 00:36:24.920
up there, but he's also totally into bigfoot. He's a

564
00:36:24.920 --> 00:36:31.119
great guy. I know, he listens. Have you ever heard

565
00:36:31.280 --> 00:36:35.280
a report or an account from someone where if it

566
00:36:35.400 --> 00:36:40.039
happened to you, you would probably not be going back

567
00:36:40.079 --> 00:36:41.239
out into the field.

568
00:36:41.880 --> 00:36:44.400
Oh yeah, I've heard all those kinds of stories before.

569
00:36:45.400 --> 00:36:45.599
You know.

570
00:36:47.840 --> 00:36:54.599
I I'm sure it's possible, you know, I mean, but

571
00:36:55.719 --> 00:37:01.360
I'm also not that fearful. So even though I've had

572
00:37:02.079 --> 00:37:05.960
other creepy, weird things happen, and when I was a

573
00:37:05.960 --> 00:37:09.320
paranormal investigator, you know, maybe I'm a little more immune

574
00:37:09.400 --> 00:37:14.480
to weird stuff. But again, I've never had one walk

575
00:37:14.599 --> 00:37:20.039
up to me. I'm hoping someday I'll see you one

576
00:37:20.119 --> 00:37:24.679
walk in front of me at least. But there's a

577
00:37:24.679 --> 00:37:27.440
lot of people are very fearful. Just the thought of

578
00:37:27.480 --> 00:37:31.559
bigfoot is scary to them, and then if they see anything,

579
00:37:32.320 --> 00:37:33.800
you know, they're just going to freak out.

580
00:37:34.599 --> 00:37:36.599
I'm not that way. I'm not that kind of person.

581
00:37:37.320 --> 00:37:39.719
Yeah, I think that's a good discussion to have because

582
00:37:39.760 --> 00:37:42.840
I know that I see that come up in other places.

583
00:37:42.880 --> 00:37:45.519
And do you think it's something that we need to

584
00:37:45.559 --> 00:37:50.719
be afraid of whatever this creature is, or maybe it's

585
00:37:51.360 --> 00:37:53.920
something else we should have, maybe a healthy respect.

586
00:37:54.960 --> 00:37:56.960
Well, I think we need to have a healthy respect,

587
00:37:57.000 --> 00:37:59.760
but we also have to protect ourselves. You know, we

588
00:37:59.800 --> 00:38:04.079
have to stay on alert because they're all creatures, right,

589
00:38:04.239 --> 00:38:07.280
we don't know what they're doing, what they're thinking, what

590
00:38:07.320 --> 00:38:11.679
they're thinking about us. You know, I'm sure they're scared

591
00:38:11.679 --> 00:38:16.840
of humans, right. You know, they know we kill animals.

592
00:38:17.119 --> 00:38:20.239
They know we tear down trees. You know, we're not

593
00:38:20.360 --> 00:38:27.079
a very pleasant species, and we're destroying their habitat.

594
00:38:26.960 --> 00:38:27.159
You know.

595
00:38:27.159 --> 00:38:30.960
And here in Florida there's development going up all over

596
00:38:31.079 --> 00:38:38.639
the place and there's places that you know, they they've

597
00:38:38.679 --> 00:38:42.280
become landlocked, Like there'll be a swamp and then they'll

598
00:38:42.280 --> 00:38:45.960
be housing communities all around the swamp. Right, So then

599
00:38:46.000 --> 00:38:50.760
the creatures in the swamp, you know, they just they

600
00:38:50.840 --> 00:38:54.159
live there. They can't go anywhere without being seen because

601
00:38:54.159 --> 00:38:56.320
they're developments houses everywhere.

602
00:38:57.000 --> 00:39:02.280
So we've really messed up to their habits at. Their

603
00:39:02.320 --> 00:39:07.599
food supplies have been affected, and it's just that good.

604
00:39:07.760 --> 00:39:10.199
So you know, these are big creatures.

605
00:39:10.320 --> 00:39:13.400
It's just like you know, you see an alligator, you're

606
00:39:13.400 --> 00:39:16.400
not You shouldn't go up to an alligator to try

607
00:39:16.400 --> 00:39:20.400
and pet it now, because most likely that thing is

608
00:39:20.440 --> 00:39:23.360
going to attack to you because it's gonna it's thinking

609
00:39:23.559 --> 00:39:27.440
that you're attacking him. So you just need to have

610
00:39:27.480 --> 00:39:31.760
a healthy respect for these animals, these creatures. Be on

611
00:39:31.880 --> 00:39:36.280
alert and protect yourself carry protection if you feel you

612
00:39:36.400 --> 00:39:40.679
need that. You know, it's just the best way to

613
00:39:40.760 --> 00:39:41.360
go about that.

614
00:39:42.840 --> 00:39:47.239
Have there been any reports of big foot or skunkate

615
00:39:47.360 --> 00:39:53.920
being seen in areas where it's developments because the developments

616
00:39:54.119 --> 00:39:58.760
were made just on the edge of a you know,

617
00:39:59.000 --> 00:40:01.519
swamp area or habitat.

618
00:40:03.119 --> 00:40:04.480
Yeah, exactly.

619
00:40:04.519 --> 00:40:07.719
Well, our active research area is in one of those

620
00:40:07.760 --> 00:40:13.880
areas that's very land. You know, it's totally surrounded by development.

621
00:40:14.000 --> 00:40:19.079
So you have this big swamp and that's where we

622
00:40:19.159 --> 00:40:22.199
have a lot of activity going on. And when I

623
00:40:22.239 --> 00:40:25.679
say activity, you know, we you know, we have some

624
00:40:25.719 --> 00:40:29.599
stuff that we you know, we leave gifts, we leave toys,

625
00:40:29.719 --> 00:40:33.199
we leave experiments out there. You know, we just want

626
00:40:33.199 --> 00:40:36.559
to see what happens. We've had all kinds of crazy

627
00:40:36.679 --> 00:40:38.039
stuff happened.

628
00:40:38.079 --> 00:40:43.000
You know. One of the things is we brought a

629
00:40:43.039 --> 00:40:43.760
teddy bear.

630
00:40:45.159 --> 00:40:49.760
And the teddy bear had you know, normal stuffed animals

631
00:40:49.800 --> 00:40:54.480
have a white tag hanging off them, right, and it's

632
00:40:54.519 --> 00:40:57.079
impossible to tear it off. You normally have to use

633
00:40:57.119 --> 00:41:01.280
scissors to do it. And so when we put that

634
00:41:01.400 --> 00:41:05.760
out for the first time a couple of years ago,

635
00:41:05.920 --> 00:41:09.079
we put it out. We'll go back to the area

636
00:41:09.239 --> 00:41:11.760
like once a month, every four to six weeks, we

637
00:41:11.920 --> 00:41:15.000
just see what's new, what's going on. The teddy bear

638
00:41:15.039 --> 00:41:19.599
has been moved. We're flanging on the ground. Face first,

639
00:41:20.400 --> 00:41:26.039
the tag was ripped off the teddy bear and then

640
00:41:26.239 --> 00:41:31.679
ripped in half. So it did two things, ripped it

641
00:41:31.719 --> 00:41:34.039
off and then ripped the tag in half.

642
00:41:37.119 --> 00:41:38.960
You know how hard it is to rip one.

643
00:41:38.840 --> 00:41:42.880
Of those tags off a stuffed animal and then try

644
00:41:42.920 --> 00:41:43.960
to rip it in half.

645
00:41:44.320 --> 00:41:47.599
It's very, very very difficult. But that's what happened.

646
00:41:48.400 --> 00:41:52.719
So every single time we go out there, we'll still

647
00:41:52.760 --> 00:41:57.280
put the teddy bear. We put the teddy Bear facing out,

648
00:41:57.639 --> 00:42:01.199
We'll put it up against a big vipress tree. We'll

649
00:42:01.320 --> 00:42:04.239
just kind of like wedget down there, and every single

650
00:42:04.360 --> 00:42:07.400
time we go out there check on it.

651
00:42:07.920 --> 00:42:12.360
Four weeks later. It's always turned around. It's always moved

652
00:42:12.920 --> 00:42:16.639
and turned around, so its face is up against the tree,

653
00:42:17.239 --> 00:42:20.239
kind of like it doesn't like it.

654
00:42:20.239 --> 00:42:23.000
It's like a little game that we play. We fix

655
00:42:23.079 --> 00:42:28.880
it and it changes it every single time. Now people

656
00:42:28.880 --> 00:42:32.800
are like, well, do you put trail cams out there,

657
00:42:33.320 --> 00:42:37.519
which we all know if you're a bigfoot researcher, we

658
00:42:37.599 --> 00:42:41.800
know that trail camps do not work, and sure enough,

659
00:42:41.960 --> 00:42:45.599
the moment I put out trail cams, all activity stopped,

660
00:42:46.280 --> 00:42:49.760
everything absolutely stopped. And then we're like, this is ridiculous,

661
00:42:49.800 --> 00:42:52.599
we can't do this, So we remove the trail cams.

662
00:42:53.239 --> 00:42:57.559
Now everything's back to normal. We get activity all the time.

663
00:42:57.679 --> 00:43:02.280
We have found prints out there. We had a chicken

664
00:43:02.639 --> 00:43:09.280
egg shell left on top of a Cyprus knee.

665
00:43:10.800 --> 00:43:11.719
Crazy stuff.

666
00:43:12.559 --> 00:43:16.800
Sticks shoved in the ground at thirty degree angles, three

667
00:43:16.880 --> 00:43:20.079
sticks laid parallel next to each other.

668
00:43:20.000 --> 00:43:25.559
On the ground across the stick. We've had big sticks

669
00:43:25.599 --> 00:43:31.480
that have been bent around trees and secured. That's not normal.

670
00:43:31.599 --> 00:43:36.400
Treefall branches don't do that when they fall straight down.

671
00:43:36.920 --> 00:43:43.599
They don't bend themselves and ledge themselves very tightly around

672
00:43:43.840 --> 00:43:50.440
other trees. Just insane stuff, Absolutely insane stuff.

673
00:43:52.280 --> 00:43:54.639
That's some really weird stuff happening in that area. And

674
00:43:55.119 --> 00:44:00.480
I'm familiar with the you know, when you talk about gifting,

675
00:44:00.840 --> 00:44:03.599
you know, I've talked to a lot of researchers about that,

676
00:44:03.760 --> 00:44:08.320
but you mentioned doing like experiments, and that's kind of

677
00:44:08.320 --> 00:44:14.199
a new a new thought to have for me. Is

678
00:44:14.360 --> 00:44:16.920
that is that like what you did with a teddy

679
00:44:16.920 --> 00:44:19.559
bear or does that involve other things you were doing

680
00:44:19.559 --> 00:44:21.159
when you talk about experience.

681
00:44:20.760 --> 00:44:23.480
Yeah, Teddy Bear is one of them.

682
00:44:23.519 --> 00:44:27.639
Another thing is I brought up some rocks and I

683
00:44:27.719 --> 00:44:30.360
put them in a circle and I had a blue

684
00:44:30.440 --> 00:44:31.679
rock in the center of it.

685
00:44:31.800 --> 00:44:33.960
I wanted to see if they would.

686
00:44:33.880 --> 00:44:40.480
Stack them, because stacking rocks seems to be a northern thing,

687
00:44:41.760 --> 00:44:46.000
Like some researchers in Minnesota, even maybe in the Pacific

688
00:44:46.039 --> 00:44:50.039
Northwest will find the stacks of rocks and these streams and.

689
00:44:50.000 --> 00:44:50.719
Stuff like that.

690
00:44:51.119 --> 00:44:54.920
Yeah, we're thinking of the same guy in Minnesota. Yeah right, Yeah,

691
00:44:55.719 --> 00:44:58.719
that sounds like Randy.

692
00:44:59.079 --> 00:45:01.719
So I put the rocks.

693
00:45:01.760 --> 00:45:03.760
Now, this is going to sound really weird, but we

694
00:45:03.840 --> 00:45:08.519
don't have that many rocks in Florida. Okay, all right,

695
00:45:09.000 --> 00:45:13.320
it's shells, it's you know, just stuck. We don't have

696
00:45:13.440 --> 00:45:16.440
these nice river rocks that you'll find in a stream

697
00:45:17.079 --> 00:45:19.840
up north from the Pacific north West or even in

698
00:45:19.880 --> 00:45:24.199
the Carolinas. So but I had some and I'm like,

699
00:45:24.239 --> 00:45:26.920
what the heck? I put them out. I want to

700
00:45:26.920 --> 00:45:30.039
see if they stack them. They've never done anything with

701
00:45:30.559 --> 00:45:35.960
the rocks. I also put out an experiment. Somebody had

702
00:45:36.440 --> 00:45:43.559
recommended this. As I'm painted, I took these paint sticks,

703
00:45:44.400 --> 00:45:48.719
painted them like three of them red. I painted three

704
00:45:48.760 --> 00:45:51.239
of them yellow and three of them green. So I

705
00:45:51.400 --> 00:45:55.639
laid out three of the yellows and I put a

706
00:45:56.079 --> 00:45:59.079
food item on top of that, and then I just

707
00:45:59.119 --> 00:46:01.960
piled up the stick next to it. I want to

708
00:46:02.000 --> 00:46:07.039
see if it's going to copy what I did. And

709
00:46:07.119 --> 00:46:10.519
that's a new thing that I've done. I've tried so far,

710
00:46:10.679 --> 00:46:13.719
nothing has happened. Sticks have been moved a little bit,

711
00:46:14.280 --> 00:46:17.880
but not substantial, not enough to say, oh, yeah, this

712
00:46:18.000 --> 00:46:18.920
is really interesting.

713
00:46:19.079 --> 00:46:22.519
But we're just trying these different little experiments just to

714
00:46:22.639 --> 00:46:25.800
see what they do, if they'll do.

715
00:46:25.800 --> 00:46:29.280
Anything, you know, we don't know it's worth trying, right,

716
00:46:30.119 --> 00:46:32.920
So it's all fascinating. But the Teddy Bear is the

717
00:46:32.920 --> 00:46:36.360
biggest experiment and it's the most fascinating one.

718
00:46:36.880 --> 00:46:39.519
It's fun. It's like a game. Like I said, it's like.

719
00:46:39.559 --> 00:46:43.519
We turn we correct it, it turns it around.

720
00:46:43.760 --> 00:46:46.079
We correct it, it turns it around.

721
00:46:46.320 --> 00:46:48.280
So it's really interesting.

722
00:46:48.360 --> 00:46:48.760
Are you.

723
00:46:50.519 --> 00:46:55.079
Do you keep your Facebook group up to date with

724
00:46:56.000 --> 00:46:59.519
the things that happened from your experiments.

725
00:46:58.960 --> 00:47:03.400
Or oh, well I did with the teddy Bear.

726
00:47:03.519 --> 00:47:09.719
I posted that on I think Monday. I did even like.

727
00:47:09.719 --> 00:47:14.320
A side by side of comparison just to show you

728
00:47:14.400 --> 00:47:17.039
that this is what it looked like three weeks ago

729
00:47:17.079 --> 00:47:19.480
when we put it out. This is what it looked

730
00:47:19.519 --> 00:47:23.000
like when we went out there. And we also have

731
00:47:23.039 --> 00:47:27.559
done like some videos on YouTube about it, and I'm going.

732
00:47:27.400 --> 00:47:31.320
To keep track of it more.

733
00:47:33.880 --> 00:47:37.679
We have a app that Chris created for us that

734
00:47:37.840 --> 00:47:46.440
allows us to dot to track to capture document everything

735
00:47:46.840 --> 00:47:51.000
that we find in the location where we found it,

736
00:47:51.480 --> 00:47:53.039
so that you know, we.

737
00:47:53.000 --> 00:47:54.119
Could put it on a map.

738
00:47:54.599 --> 00:47:59.159
We can see what areas are more active certain times

739
00:47:59.199 --> 00:47:59.679
of the year.

740
00:48:00.280 --> 00:48:03.000
Okay, so we have our own like database.

741
00:48:02.599 --> 00:48:06.920
Right where we're you know, documenting, documenting if we find

742
00:48:06.960 --> 00:48:09.639
a print, if we find a structure, if we hear

743
00:48:09.719 --> 00:48:13.159
a sound, a knock, whatever. So we have our own

744
00:48:13.199 --> 00:48:16.320
little database where we're just even dragon all this stuff

745
00:48:16.760 --> 00:48:19.800
for future reference. Like I said, so we did identify

746
00:48:20.400 --> 00:48:24.639
what places are hot certain times of the year.

747
00:48:25.519 --> 00:48:29.239
So that's that's great that you you are doing it.

748
00:48:29.239 --> 00:48:32.559
It sounds like you probably have data from a lot

749
00:48:32.559 --> 00:48:36.119
of different parts of Florida. Yes, since you guys are

750
00:48:36.719 --> 00:48:41.840
you know, going to multiple different places. But have you

751
00:48:41.880 --> 00:48:47.039
ever thought or what is your thought as to what

752
00:48:47.239 --> 00:48:52.679
Bigfoot actually is? I know there's there's many different viewpoints

753
00:48:52.719 --> 00:48:56.119
in the community about what we are dealing with.

754
00:48:58.159 --> 00:49:07.119
Obviously, ah, you know, a primate creature, I truly flesh

755
00:49:07.159 --> 00:49:13.599
and blood. But I really think that they have special

756
00:49:13.639 --> 00:49:17.599
abilities that we would consider to be paranormal. Does that

757
00:49:17.639 --> 00:49:22.199
make sense, Okay, So let's say the ability to cloak

758
00:49:24.679 --> 00:49:29.920
for humans that would be supernatural, the ability to disappear. Right, So,

759
00:49:31.920 --> 00:49:37.360
there's orbs associated with bigfoot sightings. You know, we've had

760
00:49:37.440 --> 00:49:42.679
EVPs happen while we've been you know, out big footing.

761
00:49:44.119 --> 00:49:47.519
But I so maybe it's possible. You know, just think

762
00:49:47.559 --> 00:49:48.440
of chameleons.

763
00:49:49.119 --> 00:49:51.079
You know, if you would have told somebody two hundred

764
00:49:51.119 --> 00:49:53.719
years ago, yeah, there's a million that if it stands

765
00:49:53.760 --> 00:49:57.719
on a blue piece of paper, it'll turn blue, they

766
00:49:57.719 --> 00:50:02.000
would think you're crazy, right, But look at chameleons. They

767
00:50:02.039 --> 00:50:07.159
have their masters of camouflage. Whatever they stand on, their

768
00:50:07.239 --> 00:50:12.480
skin will change the color to match it. So bigfoots

769
00:50:12.480 --> 00:50:14.639
could very well have something like that.

770
00:50:15.719 --> 00:50:18.480
It's interesting to think about. I think there's also some

771
00:50:19.400 --> 00:50:22.000
octopus that are able to do that as well.

772
00:50:22.519 --> 00:50:27.559
Absolutely, yes, they'll change their skin color to match the rocks,

773
00:50:27.840 --> 00:50:29.039
the coral that they're on.

774
00:50:30.039 --> 00:50:33.320
I mean to imagine a creature the size of a

775
00:50:33.360 --> 00:50:38.239
bigfoot having the ability to maybe kind of be like

776
00:50:38.280 --> 00:50:42.440
a chameleon in a sort of way. That's that's even

777
00:50:42.480 --> 00:50:46.400
more frightening to me. I mean, a massive animal that

778
00:50:46.400 --> 00:50:50.039
could just blend into anything. Yeah, it's pretty wild to

779
00:50:50.039 --> 00:50:52.800
think about. But I don't it's not out of the question.

780
00:50:52.840 --> 00:50:54.079
I don't think anything's.

781
00:50:53.679 --> 00:50:54.880
Out the question.

782
00:50:55.199 --> 00:50:58.480
Anything's possible. Maybe they can turn a certain way in

783
00:50:58.559 --> 00:51:04.119
their hair and make it look like they disappear, you know,

784
00:51:04.320 --> 00:51:05.920
like a gilli suit or something.

785
00:51:06.199 --> 00:51:06.639
I don't.

786
00:51:07.840 --> 00:51:11.000
I don't know, but I do believe they do have

787
00:51:11.039 --> 00:51:15.079
special abilities that, like I said, we would consider paranormal.

788
00:51:16.039 --> 00:51:20.239
Absolutely. Have you have you done any research outside of

789
00:51:20.280 --> 00:51:23.679
Florida or are you just sticking inside the state so far.

790
00:51:25.440 --> 00:51:27.440
I'll research wherever I go.

791
00:51:27.880 --> 00:51:33.440
So I did some research in Utah when I went

792
00:51:33.480 --> 00:51:39.960
to Phenomicon, the Phenomicon conference over in Vernal, Utah, and

793
00:51:40.039 --> 00:51:43.360
I met up with a bigfoot researcher there, and he

794
00:51:43.480 --> 00:51:48.639
took us out into the forests outside of Vernal and Yeah,

795
00:51:48.679 --> 00:51:54.159
sure enough, I found a tepee structure. Amazing, amazing, And

796
00:51:54.239 --> 00:51:57.800
it was so crazy that we were driving down the

797
00:51:57.880 --> 00:52:01.519
road and I saw I was looking at some bushes

798
00:52:01.840 --> 00:52:04.360
and I was looking through the bushes and I saw

799
00:52:05.119 --> 00:52:08.719
some stick, some clusters, and I said, stop the car,

800
00:52:08.760 --> 00:52:10.679
stop the car, and they're like what I said, I

801
00:52:10.719 --> 00:52:12.719
need to go over here and take a look. I

802
00:52:12.760 --> 00:52:15.119
get out of the car, go take the look behind

803
00:52:15.119 --> 00:52:19.440
the bushes. Sure enough, there's a tepee structure. And it

804
00:52:19.559 --> 00:52:23.880
was just incredible. So I found a tepee structure and

805
00:52:24.800 --> 00:52:30.800
one area that had a lot of arches. Didn't see

806
00:52:30.800 --> 00:52:36.119
any prints, but the tepee structure was the coolest thing

807
00:52:36.440 --> 00:52:40.360
that I found over there in Utah. And I'm hoping

808
00:52:40.400 --> 00:52:43.360
to go again and go back in the woods over

809
00:52:43.360 --> 00:52:45.719
there and take a look around a little bit more so.

810
00:52:46.000 --> 00:52:49.880
But yeah, if I'm in Tennessee, I'll go. You know,

811
00:52:50.159 --> 00:52:54.159
I'll take whatever time I can get to go exploring.

812
00:52:54.599 --> 00:52:57.599
I'll go out on my own. I'll drive around, or

813
00:52:57.599 --> 00:52:59.719
I'll just get out of the car and just start walking.

814
00:53:00.760 --> 00:53:04.079
Is Vernal out by? Is that by the you went

815
00:53:04.159 --> 00:53:04.800
to Basin it.

816
00:53:04.880 --> 00:53:08.360
All Skillwalker Ranches?

817
00:53:08.679 --> 00:53:11.960
Okay? I had. I was like, I have a feeling

818
00:53:12.079 --> 00:53:15.320
it's close. Wow, that's really interesting. I know those guys

819
00:53:15.360 --> 00:53:17.960
are all involved with phenomenon, at least they have been

820
00:53:18.639 --> 00:53:21.559
in the last year. Or two. But were you able

821
00:53:21.599 --> 00:53:27.400
to go out in that area at all or to

822
00:53:27.440 --> 00:53:28.119
go to the ranch?

823
00:53:28.239 --> 00:53:28.360
Right?

824
00:53:28.519 --> 00:53:34.519
No, I wish you can't just walk on? Yeah, who

825
00:53:34.559 --> 00:53:36.480
wouldn't want to go Skinwalker Ranch?

826
00:53:36.599 --> 00:53:36.760
Right?

827
00:53:36.960 --> 00:53:37.440
I don't know.

828
00:53:38.679 --> 00:53:43.480
I would be to the gate. Yeah, I've been to

829
00:53:43.559 --> 00:53:45.760
the gate. Okay, I've been to the gate.

830
00:53:45.920 --> 00:53:49.719
Cool. Yeah, I don't know that. That freaks me out

831
00:53:49.760 --> 00:53:53.400
with the whole U Thomas Winterton, the stuff he went

832
00:53:53.440 --> 00:53:59.920
through with it. Yes, he had some serious cranial things

833
00:54:00.079 --> 00:54:00.480
going on.

834
00:54:00.800 --> 00:54:04.320
Absolutely, yeah, I had. I walked up.

835
00:54:04.639 --> 00:54:06.480
The reason why I got to go to the gate

836
00:54:06.719 --> 00:54:09.199
was I was on I took a I paid for

837
00:54:09.239 --> 00:54:13.920
a tour perimeter tour of Skinwalker Ranch, where you drive

838
00:54:13.960 --> 00:54:16.920
around the bus with some of the cast members from

839
00:54:16.960 --> 00:54:22.280
the show. So I had Dragon on my bus at

840
00:54:22.280 --> 00:54:25.800
one point, and then I had Thomas. And Dragon is

841
00:54:25.880 --> 00:54:29.440
hilarious on the show. He's all tough and looks mean

842
00:54:29.480 --> 00:54:34.239
and stuff, but he's the funniest guy on all the

843
00:54:34.320 --> 00:54:40.280
team and he's a coot. He's hilarious and Thomas is

844
00:54:40.320 --> 00:54:43.719
wonderful too, So they switched off, so we got to

845
00:54:43.719 --> 00:54:46.440
hang around and go around with both. But part of

846
00:54:46.480 --> 00:54:51.480
the thing is they park they allow you to walk

847
00:54:51.599 --> 00:54:54.199
up to the gate. That's as far as you can get.

848
00:54:54.360 --> 00:54:58.199
And then doctor Travis Taylor met us at the gate

849
00:54:58.360 --> 00:55:00.320
on the other side. He pulled up in the Red

850
00:55:00.440 --> 00:55:02.920
Cheap and so he was talking to us through the

851
00:55:03.119 --> 00:55:08.360
gates and yeah, which was which was a lot of fun.

852
00:55:08.760 --> 00:55:12.039
So yeah, I love I love it there. I love Vernal.

853
00:55:12.199 --> 00:55:15.800
But the forest is wonderful. Lots of sasquatch reports.

854
00:55:15.840 --> 00:55:20.960
There absolutely in the woods, the forests outside of Bernal,

855
00:55:22.679 --> 00:55:25.360
lots of sasquatch reports.

856
00:55:25.880 --> 00:55:29.039
How far aways are those forests and woods from the

857
00:55:29.119 --> 00:55:33.480
ranch area, I don't know.

858
00:55:33.679 --> 00:55:36.599
I would probably get about maybe twenty miles.

859
00:55:36.519 --> 00:55:40.679
Yeah, probably, I just I just love And this is

860
00:55:40.800 --> 00:55:43.000
where it's the end of the show where we're kind

861
00:55:43.000 --> 00:55:44.800
of rabbit trailing and it's all right because it's a

862
00:55:44.960 --> 00:55:47.519
locker ranch. But I love the old story about how

863
00:55:48.039 --> 00:55:50.639
they see the portal open up and the big foot

864
00:55:50.679 --> 00:55:53.840
type creature comes out of the portal on Skinwalker Ranch.

865
00:55:53.880 --> 00:55:58.400
Says that's one of my favorite anecdotal stories. And I mean,

866
00:55:58.440 --> 00:56:02.840
you can only imagine and hope that there would be

867
00:56:02.880 --> 00:56:07.559
more bigfoot stories at some point on that property. I mean,

868
00:56:08.079 --> 00:56:11.960
I don't know, but hey, if anyone listening knows, let

869
00:56:11.960 --> 00:56:12.199
me know.

870
00:56:14.800 --> 00:56:19.320
I think they actually one of the guys, he's one

871
00:56:19.360 --> 00:56:20.599
of the ute.

872
00:56:22.280 --> 00:56:27.400
Deputies, the first guys. I think he even captured a

873
00:56:27.559 --> 00:56:35.639
vocalization out there of a bigfoot, so a sasquatch. So

874
00:56:36.559 --> 00:56:37.519
it's fascinating.

875
00:56:38.159 --> 00:56:40.519
But and when we go to Medaaling Falls, we're going

876
00:56:40.559 --> 00:56:44.920
to be spending a week there, so we're going we're

877
00:56:44.960 --> 00:56:47.880
going to be going out in the woods every single day.

878
00:56:48.000 --> 00:56:50.760
We have some researchers who want to meet up with

879
00:56:50.840 --> 00:56:54.119
us and take us out, which is awesome because we

880
00:56:54.199 --> 00:56:55.719
know nothing about the area.

881
00:56:55.800 --> 00:56:58.000
I was going to say, hopefully you got some some

882
00:56:58.119 --> 00:57:00.880
local researchers. It's it's going to be a little bit

883
00:57:00.920 --> 00:57:02.400
different than Florida for sure.

884
00:57:02.519 --> 00:57:06.039
Yes, absolutely, it's going to kill us because we're used

885
00:57:06.039 --> 00:57:09.800
to flat land, not mountains. But it's going to be

886
00:57:09.960 --> 00:57:15.079
a wonderful time and we're hoping. We already have plans

887
00:57:15.079 --> 00:57:18.000
to meet up with a few researchers who want to

888
00:57:18.000 --> 00:57:19.719
take us out or they want to meet us for

889
00:57:19.800 --> 00:57:22.400
lunch or dinners, so it'll be great.

890
00:57:22.599 --> 00:57:23.880
It'll be really awesome.

891
00:57:24.039 --> 00:57:27.920
That's very cool, Maria. I want to say thank you

892
00:57:28.000 --> 00:57:31.239
for hanging out and talking about Bigfoot in skun Capes

893
00:57:31.280 --> 00:57:34.519
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894
00:57:34.559 --> 00:57:37.760
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895
00:57:37.800 --> 00:57:40.320
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