Sept. 23, 2025

Terrified in Elderberry Flats — Bigfoot Screams in the Night | Oregon

Terrified in Elderberry Flats — Bigfoot Screams in the Night | Oregon
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Season 1

What happens when a kid from Ashland, Oregon, stumbles across a trail of fresh, giant footprints in the snow — complete with visible toes — deep in the logging roads of Elderberry Flats? In this intense and revealing episode, we sit down with David Boozer, creator of PacWest Bigfoot and Where Bigfoot Roams, as he recounts his own chilling encounters from southern Oregon. From blood-curdling screams near Hyatt Lake to a midnight tent-shaking creek crossing at Elderberry Flat, these stories aren't secondhand — they're personal, vivid, and terrifying. You’ll hear how a childhood curiosity turned into a lifelong pursuit, why Southern Oregon might be one of the wildest Bigfoot hotspots in America, and how one family’s brush with the unexplained still echoes through the woods. If you’ve ever wondered what it’s like to stare at 100 yards of unbroken Bigfoot tracks — this is your episode.

Resources: 

Pacwest Bigfoot channel - https://www.youtube.com/@PacWestBigfoot

Where Bigfoot Roams channel - https://www.youtube.com/@wherebigfootroams


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You're listening to Bigfoot Society, and I'm Jeremiah Byron. In

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this show, we go beyond the campfire stories to bring

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you first hand encounters from people who say they've seen

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something impossible. From backwoods trails and remote mountain haulers to

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quiet farms and crowded highways. The stories come from everywhere,

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and each one leaves us with more questions than answers.

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These are the voices of the people who've lived it.

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To settle in, because today you'll hear another account that

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just might change the way you see the woods forever.

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So stay with us, all right, pig for a Society.

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I've got the privilege of talking to mister David Boozer today.

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You may recognize David from the show PacWest Bigfoot, which

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is one of the ones I enjoyed watching back in

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the day. YouTube channel. There spoiler alert, it's back. It's

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called Where Bigfoot Realms, and we'll probably get into that

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in a little bit. But I've been wanting to talk

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to David for a while and it was finally able

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to happen. Welcome to the show, David. How are you

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doing today?

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I'm good man, doing really good.

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Awesome, So you are actually out there in the Pacific northwest.

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Correct. Yeah, so I was actually born in Florida, Pensacola

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and naval base. Parents moved back to la and then

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moved up here and followed my Both said to grandparents.

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My grandfather's the loggers for quite some time, and this

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is all I've ever known is southern Oregon.

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Oh that's awesome. What age did you get out there

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to Southern Oregon roundabouts?

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Oh? I think I was about four or five, both

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about nineteen seventy six. I think, let me move to

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here seventy seven.

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Oh, man, man, perfect time to get out there too. Wow,

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that's really cool. So did you run into any bigfoot

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stuff right off the bat or do you remember anything

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from that time of your life?

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Oh?

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What's this whole bigfoot thing out here?

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Actually? I did. I think I was probably in the

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fourth grade. I was down in the library and I

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had noticed some books there on bigfoot, and they were

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those old sick novels, except there was a couple of

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little skinny ones and I believe they're the ones from

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John Green, and I started, gosh, I can't remember the

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name of live name. I'd like to buy them today,

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But everybody on eBay is trying to sell them for

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a hundred and fifty bucks, and I'm like, yeah, and

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fifty books. But yeah, I started reading that then, and

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I remember mentioning it a little bit. I believe to

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the mom, and she was skeptical at first, but when

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I started telling you about these younger years and our experiences,

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then I think she did become a believer. She's got

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to be my number one thing out here. Yeah, pretty young.

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When I was introduced to it, and I found it

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in a school library.

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That's awesome. I wonder if it was among Us or

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if it was the Skiniers among Us.

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It was Eights among Us. And then there was the

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two I still have actually two of those John Green books,

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those big tull skinny things, and somebody had sent them

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to me in nearly perfect condition. Yeah, and you know,

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I still read to them here and there, just because

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I like to.

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If listeners haven't heard of those books, especially Apes among

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Us by John Green. He was one of the original

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guys that was going out there and investigating and collecting stories,

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and track that book down if you can. It is

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a great book.

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Yeah, that's any big footers library.

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Oh absolutely, Yeah. So you're in southern Oregon and you're

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introduced to the subject. Thankfully your school had the right books.

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And then after that do you start noticing stories growing

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up or did you actually have some things happen when

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you guys, maybe run a camping trip or anything like that.

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Yeah, as a matter of fact, I have two. And

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then one came to memory actually from my cousin when

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we were up around the same place about a year later,

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which I'll get into. I've actually be honest, I've never

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told this one to anybody until now, because he reminded

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me of it, and then I totally remembered it. But yeah,

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I heard some stories. Fifth sixth seventh grade. I lived

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in a small town of Ashland, Oregon. It's pretty popular

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town to Shakespeare Festival and everything. But eventually my dad

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wanted to move to Rogue River because he was going

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to be working in a mill out there, and so

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we moved to this little town of Rogue River, and

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we actually lived about five miles out of town, I think,

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heading east, in between Rogue River and a little tent

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little He's the town, I guess, but like called Wimer,

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And so we moved there when I was about to

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start the eighth grade, and this is that was probably,

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I would say, the thing that threw me over the edge,

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but before that, and I would say it was a

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couple of years before that. To be honest with you,

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I was. We were probably the poorest poorest kid in town.

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In Ashland, it's an expensive place to live. So during

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the summer sometimes we would go up to Hyatt Lake

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and we'd camp there during the summer. My dad would

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just drive back and forth to work because it was

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just cheap to camp pretty much for a couple of months.

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One night, I think I was ten years old, somewhere

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around there, and it was the middle of the night,

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it was late, and all of a sudden I didn't

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hear it at first because I was sleeping in the

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tent with my sister and my little baby brother. But

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eventually it woke me up. My mom said, from the

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direction I believe of little Hyatt and a lake that's

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just couple of miles north of that, just beautiful, like

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an enormous pond in the middle of a meadow, surrounded

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by nothing but mountains. It's beautiful. But she said, from

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that direction came these awful screens. They were loud, you

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could hear them clearly, and when they trailed off, they

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sounded different, different from the fox or the coyote. Southern

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Oregon is full of animals in the woods. It just

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sounded different. And it kept coming, and it kept coming,

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and it just didn't stop for a few minutes or more.

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I don't remember how long it lasted. She said it

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lasted for a little while, a few minutes or so,

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but it was just this hollering just when it trails off,

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and it sounded as it trailed off, it got deep

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and hollow. And she was a little freaked out because

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my dad was working graveyard, so it was just her.

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But of course we had other campers around us and

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stuff like that. But these strangers kept coming. And then

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eventually I woke up and I heard the screaming, and

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I don't remember if I got scared or anything like that,

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and my mom says, I got pretty nervous. But the

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next morning, after all of this, my mom's out there.

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She's for walking over to the I think the they

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have bathrooms and showers there back in the day, And

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then then remember going to go to the lodge. There

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were some other campers that she we were walking past,

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and I remember them saying, hey, did you hear that

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last night? And she talked to them for a few minutes,

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and I don't recall that she had mentioned bigfoot or

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anything like that, but later on years later, she's, I

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don't know what that was. It was extremely loud. It

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was different than anything she's ever heard. And she's shell

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even today, she's great grandma, and she still goes off

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in the woods by herself, she'll go camping, and she

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says she's never heard anything like that since ever. And

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so for me, that was that point where I started

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looking through more books and hearing stories as I grew older,

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and back to the eighth prade. When we were living

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in Rogue River, we decided, I think it was the

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second Christmas there my second years right now, it was

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the first Christmas I had started school at the middle

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school in Rogue River, and that Christmas we were going

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to go cut down our own Christmas tree. Back then,

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you didn't really buy a lot of trees at its story,

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and you actually went and cut your tree because it's

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just a twelve bucks or whatever. For attack. We decided

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to take this huge, long loop all the way out

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past the Limber up into the mountains out towards a

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place called Eld the Very Flats, and there's a campground

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there today. This place has logging roads and there's mountains

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in the background, but there's rolling hills everywhere full of

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pine trees. Eventually we came to a turnoff and we

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turned off and it was like this little dirt bridge

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with some sort of lands, like big huge steel tunnel

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things and water runs through. We drive over that and

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we end up in this big, huge roundabout area where

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the logging road would continue up around the mountain. And

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that roundabout area was basically just hillside and cliff and

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it was enough for trucks to turn around in there

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and park and whatever that were polling logs down or

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heading up to get loaded with logs. I don't know

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if it was being used back then. It didn't. I

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don't remember it looking like it had been used for

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a while, because at that point time there was a

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big hissy fit about spotted owls that was crazy, and

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so it slowed down the industry, and my dad was

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always in and out of jobs by that point the mill.

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But we decided, my mom and I decided to walk

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up the bend in the road up the mountain side

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and the logging road. My dad and my sister and

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my little brother decided to go off into the slatter

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area on the side of the turnavent, and so me

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and my mom were walking up there, and there was

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snow in the night before, or at least early that morning,

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because it was fresh. There was nothing out there. It

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was just there was snow. It wasn't a lot, but

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it was deep enout there. I'm guessing at least five

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or six inches, but off the side of the road

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you'd sink to probably your lower cast. So anyways, we're

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walking up that way, and I'm looking for Christmas trees,

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of course, and my mom almost looking over to the

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right of the road, which has an open area that

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runs down towards that little creek, and this is just

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nothing but wall of pine trees, and most of them

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they didn't look too old. They were tall, of course,

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but they weren't. They didn't look too old. She's looking

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over there for some trees, and the next thing you know,

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I just noticed her and she's looking down and she's

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looking intently, she's looking she was curious about something, and

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all of a sudden she's like hey, I'm like, okay,

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maybe she found a tree. She pulls me over there

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and she starts walking off into the deeper snow, and

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I look down and I noticed what she's looking at.

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There are there's a set of tracks something It comes

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out of the woods, whatever it was, and it the

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tracks go to the basically to the edge of the road.

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As we look and after we notice these scenes and

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start following them, they lead all the way down the

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side of the road, back down towards the turnabout to

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the left hand side, down to the creek and then

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they shoot straight back up into that wall of trees.

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But also looking at them in the deeper snow, it

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just my mom was like, that can't be there, because yeah,

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bear can create some sort of like a single plant

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when they're walking the way they do, but this had

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there was no way this would buy people. And so

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we get to the logging road following the tracks and

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all of a sudden, this is at the point where

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you can see toes like toes. Now, I'm young, and

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I put my foot in one of them, and I'm

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not a very tall guy at all. I was short

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back then to even my mom put her foot by

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one and These things were Shaquille O'Neil size and were huge.

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Then I went from I tried to make that stride

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and I literally, at that age, had to do this

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splitch just to touch the heel with the toe of

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my tip of my shoe to that other track, and

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I was like, this is crazy, and my mom is

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just she's just in wonderment. She's in the world. And

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so we keep following down and then we get down

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to the crank and then we look at the tracks

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heading back into the woods. And by this point, my mom,

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I think, in her head, is starting to figure out

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that this is a monster in the woods. She looks

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down at the tracks, she looks at the woods, she

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looks at the tracks, she looks at the woods, and

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the next thing you know, she runs off, yelling for

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my dad and leaving me behind. I, Hey, mom, wallster

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in the woods, what are you doing? That's so I'm

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thinking of my head. So I trailed off run an

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appalling her, and my dad comes over and my dad's yeah,

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he was a skeptic at that stuff. He wasn't really

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much into it. He was a pretty straightforward guy. But

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I'm telling you, there were toes. There was heel, and

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these things literally had to be. This trail of footprints

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must have been between seventy five and one hundred yards

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in length that they traveled. And back then when we

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never thought about trying to get some plaster, all of

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a sudden and come back and get him, and we

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know nobody was off that road. The road looked just dead,

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like nobody's been up it for a while, and that

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was fresh snow from basically that morning. It was unreal.

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And then it wasn't too long ago that I had

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talked to my cousin, and I had talked in a

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long time, And this goes back to the Hygat Lake incident.

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He said it was a year later, like the following summer.

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Me and him are basically the same age. For a month.

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I grew up with him. He was more like an

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older brother than he was a cousin. We roommate it

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together and all this other stuff for years, he told me,

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And I remember this. Now we've pretty much had free range.

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We could wander off at twelve and thirteen years old

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and go make a camp somewhere around the lake, as

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long as we let you know, my my mom know,

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or my dad know, and tell him exactly the area

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we would be in, and he said that, And I

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remember we were walking one late afternoon, it might have

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been almost dusk, and we were walking over the dam

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and then we hit the trail of the tenant goes

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around the lake the past and we decided to go

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halfway around the lake. And we must have been at

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this point where people who had fished therew know that

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there was these trees it would pop out of the lake,

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these old dead trees. We were directly across from those,

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and but we were on the I believe it would

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be like this, I guess the south southeast part of

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the lake. South south part of the lake. We're directly

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from those, kind of up a little hillside. But wecause

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we'll see the lake perfectly from where we were at.

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And but when we were walking there and we heard

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what we heard football footsteps, and it was you could

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hear the crunching here and there, and sometimes it would

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move a little faster, sometimes a little flower. We figured

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that somebody was up on the trail above us, because

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there was another trailway up there. But the thing is

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that it's hard grand it's a trail. This was crunching

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through the brush through the thick trees, and by that

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point it was getting it was dark enough to where

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you really can't see. And you've been here to the

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Pacific Northwest, you know what it's like. I had a

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friend that just came out here from Florida, him and

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his wife, traveling through, and I said Jerry to look

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into the woods off the side of a highway and he's, man,

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you can't see ten yards. It's like I told you,

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it's beautiful and mysterious and crazy. We couldn't see anything

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but the footfall. And he remembers it. He's all, it

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sounded like just a big person, like a person that

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was just big and clunching and making stepping through whatever.

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And then I remembered that we didn't get freaked out

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because we thought it was just a person. But looking

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back on it now, with the streams the summer before

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and that, now, I'm thinking, who knows, maybe it just

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shattered us for a while, But I do know that

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eventually it just went away and we can't for the night.

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That was it. We didn't have any experiences after that,

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but Higatt Lake in southern Oregon, between that and Howard Prairie,

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you know those trails back there. Watch what you're doing.

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I'll tell you that. Keep an eye out, look for tracks,

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listen to things, as you never know. That place is

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thick forest, beautiful, but thick. And those are the things

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that we have experienced led me into Bigfoot. That really

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that and finding those tracks sent me over the edge.

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Okay, totally gotcha. So for context for listeners a little bit,

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so that Elderberry Flats area, it is way out there,

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like it's over thirty miles from Rogue River, and it's

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thirty miles east in the woods roundabouts from Wolf Creek,

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which is another that area is pretty wild for other reasons.

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But also what do you say it is? Yeah, you've

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got the Oregon Vortex by Wimer issue a little bit.

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It's down around Gold Hill, it's up Starting Creek, and

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if you could drive even further back up in there,

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eventually you'd run into that Elderberry Flats area. And oh yeah,

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that's right. I almost forgot one more thing. So I

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was camping, I forgot about this, and I've actually remembered

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what I told this one to a good friend of mine,

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William Jebney, And I'm sure you've heard of him. Oh yeah, yeah,

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So I remember I was camping with a friend of

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mine and his wife and their little kid. I forgot

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about this. I was thinking about it this morning and

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almost space it. We were at Elderberry Flats and this

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was probably twenty years later. We were camping and maybe

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not twenty years but we were camping there at Eldeberry Flats.

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We decided to try some gold painting for the fun

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of it, because we're just crazy enough to Marie. We

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were there and there's this the creek. There is rocky,

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there's lots of river rock all around. That was very creek. There,

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there's a mountain of control of a mountain hill. It's

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just tall and you couldn't lock up it because it's

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just so steep, and it's full of brush, trees, you

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name it. And we're camping there for the night and

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I'm they got this little partition in their tank. They

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have little partitions. So him and his wife and the

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little liners sleeping on the other side of the partition.

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I'm on this side. And it was probably man, it

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was the wee hours of the night, two o'clock in

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the morning, something like that, and all of a sudden,

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her little three year old or two two year old

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three year old just lets out this screen a scream,

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and we're all sitting up all of a sudden, and

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as we sat up, we heard something from behind the

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tent and it was heavy footed and it went thudd, splashed, thud.

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That creek where we were at was at least I'm

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guessing twelve feet maybe a little more. Whatever it was

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hit that creek and was on the other side in

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the stride. And then all of a sudden we hear

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this just as thing moving up that hill in front

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of us, just crashing through it. My buddy grabs his gun.

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He pops out of that tent. I pop out after

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him with a flashlight, and that noise stopped instantly. We

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were flashing that light up there and looking around for anything.

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We were looking around the tent a little bit. You

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can't see any footprints or anything like that because it's

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not sandy there. There's river rock. The only bit of

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sand that we had is where our tent was, because

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we pulled the rocks out earlier as many as we could.

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And after a few minutes we looked what the heck

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was that because it had it was thudd splashlight. This

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is bipeedle. So we all get back in the Toyota

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four runner and that's where we slept the rest of

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the night until we got in the morning. We packed

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everything up and left. And that was years later, decade

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and a half whatever, And it's basically about I would

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estimate about two to three miles from where me and

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my mom found the tracks years earlier. It was unbelievable.

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I told my body as I do, that was a

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big books big foot. Yeah, I thought splash, flood and

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then just something just crashing and running up the side

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of that hill in the middle of the night. You

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can't see anything out there. It's pitch black, and.

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You're so far away from civilization. People they can drive

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up there, but it's like middle of the night, dude,

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that's crazy. I've heard so many weird things from southern

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Oregon and I've never visited it yet. I have. I'd

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spend a lot of time in the Oakage area, and

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I've visited up to Estacada and Colton this last year,

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but I've never been to southern Oregon. And it just feels,

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even through the stories that there is there just like

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a really weird vibe down there. It just some really

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strange stuff happens.

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I would say that if there's a couple places that

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I think that if you ever come back, you should visit. Okay, Now,

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these places are very eerie. That's there's a lot. I

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get a lot of anecdotal stories and things from people

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from these places. It's one of them's, Like I think

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it's the Twin Lakes area up off the North Umpquah

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and I actually I can if there was some these

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trees and not in my way out of my house,

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I could see the south Upklaw River, but up the

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North Umpclah up around the Twin Lakes area, there are

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or yeah, there are people with some strange stories about

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creepy things the other place. If you're looking and you

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want to do some research, I highly suggest you always

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go with somebody one or two other people, make sure

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that you're armed. But I'm sure you've heard this one too.

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It's up a round towards Crater Lake and there's what

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is that place called they have cabins and everything Union

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Creek Union Creek, And I'm telling you right now, the

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Union Creek and that little corridor up there between that

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and there's a turn off that goes up to Crater Lake.

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There are many little side, little forest roads you can

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go down, and I've camped out there before, and i'll

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tell you what, there's been some moments where it's like

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the hair on the back of your neck raises and

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you're just like, what in the heck is around Cougar there? Wolf?

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People always say there's no wolves in some other organs.

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As a matter of fact, we have about three hundred

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and sixty just up around a pass in the Qui

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National Force. I mean in southern Oregon area, just running

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around that place. I have heard more story from there

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than I think anywhere else in southern Oregon. But there's

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plenty of Oregons.

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Okay. So that's really interesting because I just talked to

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a hunter and this is episode eight eighty three that

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just came out a few days ago, and it was

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all about Union Creek in Prospect, and I was blown

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away out. Oh yeah, it was nuts the stuff he

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was telling the.

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Prospect Prospect is my dad. Eventually, after the mills started

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shutting down, he started a carpet cleaning business and we

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used to actually go out to Prospect here and there.

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We had a few regular customers and we drive all

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the way out there for them, and that town is

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so funny because they were like, I'm like, why do

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you have a rifle or a handgun by the door,

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And they're like mountain lions. They come right through the

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yard constantly, and it's just it is. It's in the

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It's a little town in the middle of nowhere, and

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you start getting out in that area of between Prospects

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and Union Creek and that's what it's Crater Lake. I'm

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telling you, that place.

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Is wild, absolutely And can you think of any maybe

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reports or stories that you were given over the years

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from that area.

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I remember I had one of my best ones I

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had heard was one pack Plastic. But I have to

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go back and listen to it myself. It's done a

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long time, but I remember there was one up there

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and they were, I delete, staying at the cabins, and

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it was a very harassing moment for them. So I

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don't remember the details of it. In a while. I'm

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fifty four now, I'm starting to get boggy memory.

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Yeah, I'm starting to get there.

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There has been a lot of anegy I had. I

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believe there was somebody once that had told me she

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was up there and she was getting mushrooms. She was

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doing a morale mushrooms and she said that she was

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being something was circling her constantly, and she said it

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was bipedal. It was walking, and she figured it might

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have been a forest person, but she was like the

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football was very heavy, and she swears she heard some

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sort of deepa glunt or something and it didn't sound human,

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and it didn't sound like bear, because she's been pretty

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close to bear before Black Bear up there. And that

459
00:27:42.759 --> 00:27:45.039
one was another one that I thought was pretty interesting.

460
00:27:45.440 --> 00:27:48.400
And she was actually up off of the Union Creek

461
00:27:48.480 --> 00:27:50.240
kind of flows down through there and if you get

462
00:27:50.640 --> 00:27:53.160
tend to create a laking pull a home on these

463
00:27:53.160 --> 00:27:55.799
forest roads. It was a place where I had camped before.

464
00:27:56.839 --> 00:27:58.599
And I like to apply fish a little bit in

465
00:27:58.640 --> 00:28:02.119
that creek because it's kind of wide, they're deep, and

466
00:28:02.160 --> 00:28:05.400
there's a big meta open area that leads into just mountains.

467
00:28:05.599 --> 00:28:08.359
Those are really pretty. But she was up there doing

468
00:28:08.480 --> 00:28:11.839
some morales and that was su experienced and yeah, she

469
00:28:11.880 --> 00:28:14.640
didn't last long. She got back in her vehicle and

470
00:28:14.720 --> 00:28:16.200
left the area.

471
00:28:17.960 --> 00:28:21.480
Yeah, that lines up with what, yeah, what that individual

472
00:28:21.559 --> 00:28:24.200
told me. I've had two different individuals tell me that

473
00:28:24.359 --> 00:28:28.680
really this area, it can get really aggressive. And the

474
00:28:28.759 --> 00:28:31.640
hunter specifically told me that it's like west of the

475
00:28:31.720 --> 00:28:36.000
Rogue River or two thirty. It can get really wild

476
00:28:36.240 --> 00:28:39.359
from the reports he's heard from other hunters, which is

477
00:28:39.440 --> 00:28:40.160
very interesting.

478
00:28:42.039 --> 00:28:47.000
Yeah, I think anywhere that's of below the Union Creek

479
00:28:47.160 --> 00:28:51.480
side of Crater Lake and in between Union Creek and

480
00:28:51.519 --> 00:28:54.920
Crater Lake, I think more people should spend more time

481
00:28:54.960 --> 00:29:00.400
there doing research, just because it's there's just too many stories, too.

482
00:29:00.359 --> 00:29:04.640
Many exactly, and I haven't heard it come up on

483
00:29:05.279 --> 00:29:06.960
I listened to a few other shows, and I haven't

484
00:29:06.960 --> 00:29:09.759
heard it really come up. I know there's some people

485
00:29:09.880 --> 00:29:13.559
checking out the Diamond Lake area, but this like holy

486
00:29:13.680 --> 00:29:18.359
Union Creek prospect area, it's just man at the festival

487
00:29:18.400 --> 00:29:21.440
and Oakridge, people were talking about Klamath Falls. They were

488
00:29:21.440 --> 00:29:24.319
like sightings in Klamath all over the place. But yeah,

489
00:29:24.359 --> 00:29:27.200
this Union Creek prospect, it wasn't really coming up. So

490
00:29:27.319 --> 00:29:29.599
it's I think, yeah, people need to check it out.

491
00:29:31.440 --> 00:29:34.519
I like Diamond Lake and Loamolo Lake up there in between.

492
00:29:34.640 --> 00:29:37.960
I've had people give me I've actually got some I

493
00:29:37.960 --> 00:29:41.000
think two or three most of my stuff. We'll talk

494
00:29:41.039 --> 00:29:43.680
about it a bit here but it's anecdotical stuff. It's

495
00:29:43.720 --> 00:29:46.359
just people tell me some basic paragraph or two of

496
00:29:46.359 --> 00:29:49.119
what they experienced. I've got two or three. I think

497
00:29:49.160 --> 00:29:52.039
that I'm going to be working on for some short

498
00:29:52.039 --> 00:29:55.319
stories here in the next month. I think it is.

499
00:29:55.400 --> 00:29:58.240
It comes from that area and we camp up there

500
00:29:58.240 --> 00:29:59.799
a lot. As a family. We ei to go to

501
00:29:59.799 --> 00:30:04.359
the We go up towards Lamolo Lake. So yeah, which

502
00:30:04.440 --> 00:30:06.759
is just a hot skipping and jump from Diamond Lake.

503
00:30:07.599 --> 00:30:11.920
That's fantastic. In your reports or accounts that you've taken

504
00:30:11.960 --> 00:30:15.240
from over the years, do you ever get ones that

505
00:30:15.319 --> 00:30:19.599
are they're just weird. And I've heard multiple ones from

506
00:30:19.640 --> 00:30:23.559
out there where it sounds like there's stuff like portals involved.

507
00:30:23.599 --> 00:30:25.759
Do you ever get anything like that?

508
00:30:28.680 --> 00:30:31.640
Yeah, this kind of dives into something that I guess

509
00:30:31.640 --> 00:30:33.880
we can head into that now. A lot of people

510
00:30:34.039 --> 00:30:35.920
and ask me, O me is what you'll ask me?

511
00:30:35.960 --> 00:30:39.160
What do I think bigfoot is? I do not believe

512
00:30:39.440 --> 00:30:43.440
that you need a degree to be knowledgeable or understand

513
00:30:44.000 --> 00:30:47.519
any topic anything. I don't care. If it's brain surgery,

514
00:30:47.920 --> 00:30:50.400
I don't care. If it's bigfoot, I don't care. If

515
00:30:50.440 --> 00:30:55.480
it's industrial pipe fitting, I don't care. I have done

516
00:30:56.720 --> 00:30:58.599
a lot of reading over the years. I love science,

517
00:30:59.759 --> 00:31:05.599
and not just from a spiritual standpoint in seeing the

518
00:31:05.640 --> 00:31:08.440
life of my father change. My dad was a very

519
00:31:08.440 --> 00:31:12.680
bad man for a long time and it became a

520
00:31:12.799 --> 00:31:16.400
very good man. But I did a lot of reading.

521
00:31:16.440 --> 00:31:20.400
I liked science, and it led me to one basic

522
00:31:21.000 --> 00:31:26.519
conclusion that can't be beat. I am a creationist at

523
00:31:26.519 --> 00:31:29.640
the heart. That's just it. You can't have something for nothing.

524
00:31:29.759 --> 00:31:33.920
I'm fining proved it. So I started thinking about the

525
00:31:33.960 --> 00:31:38.880
whole Bigfoot thing. Where does that sit in? And I

526
00:31:38.960 --> 00:31:45.200
hear the stories too, how portals and the demons. I

527
00:31:45.240 --> 00:31:47.640
got to church, man, and I'm a believer in a

528
00:31:47.680 --> 00:31:50.319
good Lord. And I'll tell you this right now, there's

529
00:31:50.400 --> 00:31:53.400
Christian Gager. I get them both eating at church. I'll

530
00:31:53.400 --> 00:31:55.559
tell you this. I've had people come to me and say, man,

531
00:31:55.640 --> 00:31:59.240
I own l Coney and I've heard some crazy stuff

532
00:31:59.240 --> 00:32:02.480
out there. He's all they are, just like I've heard

533
00:32:02.559 --> 00:32:06.240
some the crazy stuff. And then I get the folks, folks,

534
00:32:06.240 --> 00:32:08.440
the person here there just they want to have nothing

535
00:32:08.440 --> 00:32:11.440
to do with it. To them, it's like the hordes

536
00:32:11.640 --> 00:32:16.039
devil are faking people out and whatever. For me, it

537
00:32:16.160 --> 00:32:20.559
is real. For me, it is I believe the mohammeded

538
00:32:20.680 --> 00:32:26.160
thing human bigfoot thing. No, that's absolutely impossible. I know

539
00:32:26.279 --> 00:32:29.039
that's hard to say and hard to take for some people.

540
00:32:29.160 --> 00:32:33.319
But the DNA just it doesn't work out. It doesn't.

541
00:32:33.440 --> 00:32:36.240
I have the same character I share characteristics with a rat.

542
00:32:37.559 --> 00:32:39.880
But that's because we all live in under the same biosphere.

543
00:32:41.000 --> 00:32:45.119
We're going to share certain things with almost everything. It's

544
00:32:45.160 --> 00:32:47.519
just how we were created. We live in this biosphere,

545
00:32:47.599 --> 00:32:52.799
so we share things. I believe that this thing did

546
00:32:53.440 --> 00:32:57.680
come here from the land bridge that was here for

547
00:32:57.680 --> 00:33:01.640
a very long time until the flood and then it receded.

548
00:33:02.119 --> 00:33:06.279
The land bridge was made, and I think that they

549
00:33:06.400 --> 00:33:10.680
came here, that gigantopithic is, if you will, that it

550
00:33:10.720 --> 00:33:13.680
moved here, just like Native Americans everybody's all, they're the

551
00:33:13.720 --> 00:33:16.240
original people here. And actually they moved over here too.

552
00:33:17.480 --> 00:33:21.119
They migrated, and I think that that bigfoot had migrated

553
00:33:21.160 --> 00:33:24.559
as well. And I think it's not just the Pacific Northwest.

554
00:33:24.599 --> 00:33:27.519
I think it's pretty much all over the country and

555
00:33:27.640 --> 00:33:31.279
all over the world, and I think they migrated. That's

556
00:33:31.400 --> 00:33:34.359
what I believe. Do I believe in portals and things

557
00:33:34.480 --> 00:33:38.480
like that. Personally, Jeremiah, I do not. I don't. I've

558
00:33:38.519 --> 00:33:41.920
never I've heard the stories. I've heard those things. It's

559
00:33:42.119 --> 00:33:46.160
just for me to be honest. It just there are

560
00:33:46.200 --> 00:33:50.400
things out here that people are like, Man, I want

561
00:33:50.440 --> 00:33:51.759
to believe. I want to believe, but I hear all

562
00:33:51.759 --> 00:33:56.000
these crazy things and if I get it, I totally understand.

563
00:33:56.480 --> 00:33:58.240
I really do. And I'm not going to sit there

564
00:33:58.279 --> 00:34:00.599
and be rate some money or argue with it part

565
00:34:00.599 --> 00:34:02.480
of portals or anything like that. I'm just saying I

566
00:34:02.480 --> 00:34:07.119
don't believe that. I don't. I believe this thing is

567
00:34:07.160 --> 00:34:13.639
a well adapted eight that has been around here longer

568
00:34:13.679 --> 00:34:16.400
than in any than weak in this country as that's

569
00:34:16.440 --> 00:34:19.719
for sure. Yeah, I think it's been around for a

570
00:34:19.760 --> 00:34:20.280
long time.

571
00:34:21.480 --> 00:34:25.719
So that that's very interesting and Okay, So I am

572
00:34:25.800 --> 00:34:31.559
right there with you with pretty much your background that

573
00:34:31.559 --> 00:34:34.519
that you just shared, Like, I am also a Christian

574
00:34:34.639 --> 00:34:36.679
the way that I just want to clarify for you things.

575
00:34:36.679 --> 00:34:39.639
So you are saying that you're also like a creationist

576
00:34:39.760 --> 00:34:44.320
when it comes to religion as well, and you can't.

577
00:34:44.119 --> 00:34:48.400
Have something from nothing right, absolutely impossible, and I believe that. Yeah,

578
00:34:48.480 --> 00:34:50.599
when they two by two went on the ark, two

579
00:34:50.639 --> 00:34:53.199
of these things went on the arc, I believe they

580
00:34:53.199 --> 00:34:58.000
were there. I believe that these things populated years. I

581
00:34:58.039 --> 00:35:02.039
believe they migrated throughout the world, and I believe that

582
00:35:02.280 --> 00:35:10.480
they like that they adapt adapted to particular geographical areas

583
00:35:10.480 --> 00:35:13.519
thick woods, heavy woods. People talk about it in the Midwest,

584
00:35:13.519 --> 00:35:15.679
and I'm thinking to myself, I don't remember there being

585
00:35:15.760 --> 00:35:17.280
lots of woods in the Midwest. But then all of

586
00:35:17.320 --> 00:35:20.360
a sudden, I start watching things among my favorite channels,

587
00:35:20.360 --> 00:35:23.360
small Town Monsters, right, And I'm looking at these like

588
00:35:23.920 --> 00:35:28.239
huge places where it's just thick trees and creeks and

589
00:35:28.320 --> 00:35:31.400
plenty of vegetation, and I'm like, not to mention, there's

590
00:35:31.440 --> 00:35:35.000
fields of corn and whatever they can eat. And I'm thinking,

591
00:35:35.079 --> 00:35:38.519
you know what, I'm wrong. I think they can be

592
00:35:38.599 --> 00:35:39.920
there too.

593
00:35:40.719 --> 00:35:46.360
So so you're holding more to the gigantapithecus theory. It

594
00:35:46.719 --> 00:35:48.239
sounds like yeah, dah.

595
00:35:49.000 --> 00:35:51.679
Yeah, yeah, And I was, and I know that so

596
00:35:51.760 --> 00:35:54.239
far the majority of people that I've talked to about

597
00:35:54.239 --> 00:35:56.880
as well, it's an animal, but this thing is highly

598
00:35:56.880 --> 00:35:59.840
intelligent and it is well adapted.

599
00:36:00.559 --> 00:36:04.079
What I hear is yeah, a lot of people, and

600
00:36:04.119 --> 00:36:06.519
there's going to be so much discussion in this one.

601
00:36:07.000 --> 00:36:10.360
In the comics are going to get wow. But a

602
00:36:10.360 --> 00:36:13.880
lot of people I talk to are saying physical creature

603
00:36:14.159 --> 00:36:19.119
that can do things that science cannot explain currently. That's

604
00:36:19.159 --> 00:36:20.679
what I hear a lot.

605
00:36:23.320 --> 00:36:27.360
Yeah, but the thing is about science. People are always

606
00:36:27.719 --> 00:36:30.679
sometimes I think, even me and I love science, I

607
00:36:30.719 --> 00:36:33.800
think sometimes we put a little too much and we

608
00:36:33.880 --> 00:36:36.400
put our faith into it a little bit too much.

609
00:36:37.480 --> 00:36:39.719
But somebody tells me we decided to have a discussion

610
00:36:39.719 --> 00:36:43.119
about portals and Bigfoot doing phasing in and out of

611
00:36:43.159 --> 00:36:47.880
this whatever, I don't know reality to another one. I'll

612
00:36:47.920 --> 00:36:50.320
have that discussion all day long. I don't mind it.

613
00:36:50.480 --> 00:36:53.199
I'm not going to be rate anybody for what they believe.

614
00:36:53.320 --> 00:36:57.119
That's what they believe, that's what they've experienced and arbit

615
00:36:57.239 --> 00:36:59.119
for me. But I love to have the discussions, and

616
00:36:59.159 --> 00:37:02.280
I think that's great. It's always I think the world

617
00:37:02.519 --> 00:37:04.719
needs a little bit of that right now. Sure, and

618
00:37:04.760 --> 00:37:08.679
a little bit more discussing. Absolutely the only in fighting

619
00:37:08.719 --> 00:37:12.840
and arguing and making bad comments on a social post.

620
00:37:13.280 --> 00:37:16.599
I think conversations are much better. But yeah, as far

621
00:37:16.760 --> 00:37:19.599
as what I know and what I've read, I'm you know,

622
00:37:19.639 --> 00:37:21.840
I'm in the John Green category with it. This is

623
00:37:21.880 --> 00:37:24.559
an animal and it is real and it's highly intelligent

624
00:37:24.639 --> 00:37:26.320
and well adapted to its environment.

625
00:37:26.559 --> 00:37:30.679
Gotcha. And the great thing about taking people's reports and

626
00:37:31.239 --> 00:37:34.960
documenting them and letting them get it off their chest

627
00:37:35.239 --> 00:37:39.239
is you're not just because you take that report doesn't

628
00:37:39.280 --> 00:37:43.199
mean that you believe or let me just say this.

629
00:37:43.800 --> 00:37:45.920
You can believe it, but it's not like you're taking

630
00:37:45.920 --> 00:37:50.320
it in as your personal belief just because you listen

631
00:37:50.639 --> 00:37:54.239
to this person's report. At least that's how I look anyways,

632
00:37:54.480 --> 00:37:58.840
That's how I try to view. So that's that being said.

633
00:38:00.519 --> 00:38:04.639
Have you noticed a pattern from things that you are

634
00:38:04.679 --> 00:38:07.760
taking in over the years that there are a lot

635
00:38:07.800 --> 00:38:12.960
of people that are experiencing things like I don't know

636
00:38:13.000 --> 00:38:17.519
if you could say highest rangers or paranormal things associated

637
00:38:17.559 --> 00:38:21.039
with Bigfoot, like a portal or something.

638
00:38:21.599 --> 00:38:24.800
I hear that in on a lot of the different

639
00:38:24.840 --> 00:38:28.440
podcasts and videos out here and things like that. I

640
00:38:28.480 --> 00:38:31.280
hear that a lot, and it is becoming a little

641
00:38:31.320 --> 00:38:35.159
more and more frequent that the encounter stories that we

642
00:38:35.320 --> 00:38:42.360
hear are they're starting to get pretty wild. Personally, my

643
00:38:42.519 --> 00:38:45.360
belief is and if anybody gets mad at this, that's okay,

644
00:38:45.559 --> 00:38:49.800
I don't mind. I'm pretty relaxed. Yeah, I think sometimes

645
00:38:49.800 --> 00:38:55.840
that that adds to it really doesn't help the credibility

646
00:38:55.960 --> 00:39:00.159
of the actual research down out here into this subject. It.

647
00:39:01.039 --> 00:39:04.960
You've got some great people out here from Cliff Brickland too,

648
00:39:05.519 --> 00:39:07.679
I've run into as matter of fact, I've got pictures

649
00:39:07.719 --> 00:39:11.079
of my kids with Bob Gemmlin and I'm telling you

650
00:39:11.159 --> 00:39:14.920
that the rese of William Junning and small town monsters,

651
00:39:15.280 --> 00:39:18.519
these guys out here doing real research. I think sometimes

652
00:39:19.000 --> 00:39:24.159
that the wildness kind of distracts or detracts from what

653
00:39:24.400 --> 00:39:28.079
people you don't you know, an't really sitting on the

654
00:39:28.119 --> 00:39:32.000
fence or maybe just learning about it. I think it

655
00:39:32.119 --> 00:39:35.800
detracts from that. I think it it throws people in

656
00:39:35.880 --> 00:39:40.199
the over the edge. This is too much, this is

657
00:39:40.239 --> 00:39:45.440
too crazy now. And that's why I like the pure research,

658
00:39:45.519 --> 00:39:48.639
the real research into this. And when I see people

659
00:39:48.679 --> 00:39:52.079
like Cliff Berrickland and all those guys doing pure research

660
00:39:52.119 --> 00:39:54.920
out in the woods, I watch. I'll gobble that up

661
00:39:54.960 --> 00:39:57.599
on YouTube and podcasts. I'll eat it up all day

662
00:39:57.639 --> 00:40:03.000
long because it's just reel. It's real people doing real

663
00:40:03.000 --> 00:40:06.639
research and into something that's real.

664
00:40:08.480 --> 00:40:12.920
Far I'm concerned, So I get it. I totally do.

665
00:40:13.000 --> 00:40:16.719
So you hear things like a bigfoot can move in

666
00:40:16.760 --> 00:40:20.599
front of something and totally like camouflage or disappear into

667
00:40:20.760 --> 00:40:25.440
that tree or that bush. But then if you hear

668
00:40:25.559 --> 00:40:29.199
that an octopus can do the same thing, then that

669
00:40:29.239 --> 00:40:35.360
doesn't sound as crazy, right, So it's like, why.

670
00:40:34.039 --> 00:40:35.960
You have to look at it like this, Did the

671
00:40:36.000 --> 00:40:43.840
octopus actually disappear a camouflage, right? A camouflage? Yes, yeah,

672
00:40:44.119 --> 00:40:47.360
so can a bigfoot camouflage? Can a bigfoot blend into

673
00:40:47.440 --> 00:40:52.199
its environment? I believe so. I believe, especially when people

674
00:40:52.239 --> 00:40:55.440
tell me, man, I saw this stone that was like

675
00:40:55.559 --> 00:40:59.239
eight feet tall, crazy looking eye and then all of

676
00:40:59.280 --> 00:41:04.400
a sudden it moves. You think it's a stump because

677
00:41:04.400 --> 00:41:09.360
it's so still. It's camouflage into it's got similar colors

678
00:41:09.360 --> 00:41:13.559
to the trees and the bark and the foliage around it. Sure,

679
00:41:13.960 --> 00:41:17.679
it's like trying to find us green sniper. It's just

680
00:41:17.840 --> 00:41:20.599
you're probably not going to find him, and until it's

681
00:41:20.599 --> 00:41:25.639
too late, you're not going to because it didn't really disappear.

682
00:41:26.440 --> 00:41:29.000
It's just camouflage. But that makes it real.

683
00:41:30.400 --> 00:41:33.880
It is going back to something a few minutes ago.

684
00:41:34.000 --> 00:41:38.519
It is fun to imagine maybe they're too bigfoot on

685
00:41:38.559 --> 00:41:41.320
the arc that would be weird. I don't know.

686
00:41:43.400 --> 00:41:46.000
I don't know. I wasn't there. All I know is

687
00:41:46.199 --> 00:41:47.880
the evidence that I have read about.

688
00:41:48.079 --> 00:41:51.679
Yeah. But the interesting thing is that when I talk

689
00:41:51.760 --> 00:41:54.719
to a lot of people that have religious backgrounds or

690
00:41:55.199 --> 00:41:58.199
they bring up the Bible or Christianity, most of them

691
00:41:58.400 --> 00:42:01.920
when they talk about Bigfoot, will talk about Bigfoot is

692
00:42:02.000 --> 00:42:07.559
a nephylm bad Genesis six. And so it's interesting to

693
00:42:07.639 --> 00:42:09.960
hear you not bring that up too, which is cool,

694
00:42:10.079 --> 00:42:11.280
you kind of have a different view.

695
00:42:11.440 --> 00:42:16.159
Yeah, And I've had people actually bring that up to me,

696
00:42:16.360 --> 00:42:18.679
and I already shot that down because if you actually

697
00:42:18.719 --> 00:42:22.000
look up the original text in Hebrew and stuff talking

698
00:42:22.039 --> 00:42:27.400
about nephylin then you'll understand that's not even compatible whatsoever,

699
00:42:28.079 --> 00:42:33.880
not even close. No, that is an impossibility. And the

700
00:42:33.960 --> 00:42:40.519
nephylom were not They weren't some sort of of They

701
00:42:40.519 --> 00:42:44.760
weren't an eight. It wasn't an animal, it wasn't anything

702
00:42:44.920 --> 00:42:50.000
like that. A nephylm was basically a half breathe. It

703
00:42:50.079 --> 00:42:54.000
was basically just that there were giants back then, and

704
00:42:54.440 --> 00:42:58.320
there were giant people. When David took that slingshot, he

705
00:42:58.440 --> 00:43:02.880
took more than one stone. Why because he was afraid

706
00:43:03.639 --> 00:43:09.840
that Golias brothers were going to come after it. There

707
00:43:09.880 --> 00:43:15.039
was more than one Golias. He had family and that's

708
00:43:15.079 --> 00:43:20.239
why he took more stones. And people talk about methyl

709
00:43:20.360 --> 00:43:24.159
and stuff like that, but that has everything to do

710
00:43:24.280 --> 00:43:30.400
with angeology. Demonology makes breed fallen angels. That has nothing

711
00:43:30.440 --> 00:43:34.159
to do with the actual physical a lot to do

712
00:43:34.239 --> 00:43:39.840
with the physical world here in animals that God created.

713
00:43:40.280 --> 00:43:43.559
This is an animal and it's just highly intelligent and

714
00:43:43.880 --> 00:43:47.440
well it happened. That's you know what. Some people are like,

715
00:43:47.480 --> 00:43:49.519
that's too simple of an answer. It's like God said,

716
00:43:49.559 --> 00:43:51.639
if I use the simple thing to confound the wise.

717
00:43:52.559 --> 00:43:56.960
He said that directly, and sometimes things are just that simple.

718
00:43:57.000 --> 00:44:00.119
And that's a wonderful thing about science is because we

719
00:44:00.119 --> 00:44:03.440
study things and we find out the simple answer. It's

720
00:44:03.519 --> 00:44:08.079
usually explained by Alkham's razors. Simple answer tends to be

721
00:44:08.159 --> 00:44:10.119
the correct one.

722
00:44:11.360 --> 00:44:16.880
It's really interesting and listeners are like, what in the

723
00:44:16.920 --> 00:44:19.519
world is going on right now? None of this was planned, guys,

724
00:44:19.599 --> 00:44:22.880
we're just chatting. It's actually conversation.

725
00:44:24.559 --> 00:44:27.480
And to me, everything that I usually most of the

726
00:44:27.519 --> 00:44:30.079
anecdotal stuff and the little reports that I get from

727
00:44:30.119 --> 00:44:33.679
people and little stories, this thing has nothing but physical

728
00:44:33.719 --> 00:44:36.440
traits most of the time. There's a few, there's a

729
00:44:36.480 --> 00:44:39.960
couple here and there that get a little off beat,

730
00:44:40.880 --> 00:44:44.239
and I scratched my head a little bit, and I

731
00:44:44.320 --> 00:44:48.320
try to reason that in my head, but it's just

732
00:44:48.400 --> 00:44:50.719
for the most part. But like you and most most

733
00:44:50.840 --> 00:44:54.360
of the encounters that we hear, it's just the physical creature.

734
00:44:56.800 --> 00:44:57.960
I'll take it at that for now.

735
00:44:58.280 --> 00:45:02.480
Do you ever get the reports where people are like

736
00:45:04.559 --> 00:45:07.800
for some reason, these are always really fun where it's

737
00:45:07.840 --> 00:45:11.079
like what I saw looked exactly like a big orangutan.

738
00:45:11.280 --> 00:45:12.480
Have you ever gotten any of those?

739
00:45:14.559 --> 00:45:18.280
Yeah? Yeah, I've had cinnamon color orange iorrrang and tang

740
00:45:18.599 --> 00:45:22.320
even the ring is tinge face if a rainy kine

741
00:45:22.519 --> 00:45:25.840
is the word I've had. I've actually had quite a

742
00:45:25.840 --> 00:45:28.920
few over the years, over the last decade of people,

743
00:45:29.599 --> 00:45:32.960
especially that kind of cinnamon orange color and like a

744
00:45:32.960 --> 00:45:36.840
burnt cinnamon color. I've had those that rang and tany

745
00:45:36.920 --> 00:45:40.159
looking long arms, a little bit of a belly, big

746
00:45:40.239 --> 00:45:45.840
chested but tall, that walked more when it was erected,

747
00:45:46.159 --> 00:45:50.960
walked but had that bended to knee, and that real swift,

748
00:45:51.000 --> 00:45:55.320
ghostly like Wockett has at Gate. Yeah, I've heard of

749
00:45:55.360 --> 00:46:00.840
people that explained facial features and the look resemblance of

750
00:46:00.880 --> 00:46:01.519
an er anything.

751
00:46:01.679 --> 00:46:05.280
Yeah, it's just it's very weird stuff. I hear a

752
00:46:05.320 --> 00:46:08.840
lot of that from Prince of Wales Island in southeast Alaska.

753
00:46:09.760 --> 00:46:13.679
Is there a report that comes to mind. Let's say,

754
00:46:13.760 --> 00:46:18.280
if you know you were to only take one report

755
00:46:18.599 --> 00:46:23.119
from your years of listening to people and taking accounts,

756
00:46:23.280 --> 00:46:25.840
is there one that really sticks out to your mind?

757
00:46:25.840 --> 00:46:28.559
That's wow? That one. If I could only live with

758
00:46:28.639 --> 00:46:29.800
that one, that would be the one.

759
00:46:32.559 --> 00:46:36.920
It would be the goat Man. It was one of

760
00:46:36.960 --> 00:46:40.000
my earlier ones when I was on pack with Bigfoot

761
00:46:40.880 --> 00:46:43.159
and I actually met the goat Man. Sometimes when I

762
00:46:43.199 --> 00:46:45.599
was skateboarding through ashal you'd be at the McDonald's of

763
00:46:45.639 --> 00:46:48.559
an agency and water because they have a lot of

764
00:46:48.599 --> 00:46:51.119
money or anything, and sometimes you did some money that

765
00:46:51.360 --> 00:46:53.880
you'd be selling, some stuff that you would make to stop.

766
00:46:53.880 --> 00:46:56.280
And whatever he was, he was it was seen in

767
00:46:56.360 --> 00:46:59.519
this girlfriend that lives up towards the Coolstein Valley, but

768
00:46:59.599 --> 00:47:02.840
he was in the town from time to time and

769
00:47:02.880 --> 00:47:05.039
we'd stopped buying and hang out with goat Man and

770
00:47:05.079 --> 00:47:08.880
stuff like that. Then he told me this crazy tale

771
00:47:09.079 --> 00:47:11.119
and I tried to write it out the best I

772
00:47:11.119 --> 00:47:16.280
could as a short story writer. And remember the girlfriend

773
00:47:16.320 --> 00:47:19.199
was sick and his wife was sick, and it's following

774
00:47:19.239 --> 00:47:21.920
into town for medication and going back he is just

775
00:47:22.119 --> 00:47:27.960
massively harassed by a big foot. And it was the

776
00:47:28.239 --> 00:47:31.559
craziest story I'd ever heard. Now, I came from the

777
00:47:31.559 --> 00:47:34.039
goat man, and if you knew this guy, you'd be like,

778
00:47:34.199 --> 00:47:37.920
but I'll tell you what. It was fascinating. He had

779
00:47:38.119 --> 00:47:40.880
all of our attention. We weren't even thinking skateboarding at

780
00:47:40.880 --> 00:47:43.760
the time, and shot me. I was a skateboarder, and

781
00:47:44.280 --> 00:47:47.280
we just sat there for must have been an hour

782
00:47:47.599 --> 00:47:51.519
just intently listening to the goat man tell us his story.

783
00:47:52.599 --> 00:47:55.280
And it's still on there on tackles stick foot, so

784
00:47:55.320 --> 00:47:59.840
it's It was intense and it was crazy. There wasn't

785
00:47:59.840 --> 00:48:02.800
any any of the spiritual side of interne. It was

786
00:48:02.840 --> 00:48:07.159
just straight up animal that was just harassing it. And

787
00:48:07.199 --> 00:48:12.880
I was like, wow, that's crazy. So yeah, that was

788
00:48:13.119 --> 00:48:16.840
probably my favorite old hippie gat He was just he

789
00:48:17.000 --> 00:48:19.960
was funny, crazy, But man, what a story.

790
00:48:21.280 --> 00:48:25.199
That's awesome. I love being able to document stories like

791
00:48:25.199 --> 00:48:28.480
that so that they're not lost the time, which is

792
00:48:28.639 --> 00:48:31.880
I think is extremely important. John Green used to do.

793
00:48:31.960 --> 00:48:35.599
As we were talking about him earlier, I'd love to

794
00:48:35.679 --> 00:48:39.320
talk about this new channel that you have for a minute,

795
00:48:39.400 --> 00:48:43.280
because you have so PacWest Bigfoot. You still have as

796
00:48:43.320 --> 00:48:46.239
a channel, but you started a new channel. Correct.

797
00:48:46.440 --> 00:48:50.800
Yes, I'll be doing a little video on why it changed.

798
00:48:50.840 --> 00:48:54.199
But briefly, it first it came down to for some

799
00:48:54.280 --> 00:48:57.880
personal reasons, I got busy. Things also changed in twenty

800
00:48:57.960 --> 00:49:01.480
twenty with algorithms. I used to be an SEO Internet

801
00:49:01.519 --> 00:49:05.159
marketer for businesses and people and stuff like that for

802
00:49:05.239 --> 00:49:10.119
a while. But because Google changed some algorithms in there

803
00:49:10.159 --> 00:49:13.360
in twenty twenty, which actually you can ask a lot

804
00:49:13.400 --> 00:49:16.039
of people back then, they'll tell you that their rankings

805
00:49:16.079 --> 00:49:20.880
were hurt. Things happened. It ended up being so broad

806
00:49:20.920 --> 00:49:23.920
that it hurt a lot of channel people were very upset.

807
00:49:24.039 --> 00:49:30.079
I was one of them, and so that happens. And also,

808
00:49:30.840 --> 00:49:33.760
while I get along with just about everybody in the community,

809
00:49:33.960 --> 00:49:37.239
whether we believe in portals or not, there was I

810
00:49:37.280 --> 00:49:39.480
took it personally at the time, but there was a

811
00:49:39.480 --> 00:49:44.079
few shots made at me, and to be honest, and

812
00:49:44.119 --> 00:49:46.559
I'm sorry to all your attack West Bigfoot followers out

813
00:49:46.599 --> 00:49:48.079
there at the time, but I shouldn't have. But I

814
00:49:48.079 --> 00:49:52.440
took them personal and next shutdown for a while and

815
00:49:52.719 --> 00:49:55.000
it wasn't there, which is two or three, and I

816
00:49:55.039 --> 00:49:57.960
remember a couple of those people not much long as

817
00:49:58.039 --> 00:50:02.239
weeks after that I actually called me and apologized. One

818
00:50:02.239 --> 00:50:05.039
of them didn't, but a couple of them did, and

819
00:50:05.199 --> 00:50:08.480
that kind of that made me feel better. I'll tell you,

820
00:50:08.559 --> 00:50:11.599
if you're doing pure research out here and you're doing

821
00:50:11.639 --> 00:50:15.320
your saying, don't do what I did, don't shut down,

822
00:50:15.800 --> 00:50:20.800
keep going, keep recording, keep just keep on the journey,

823
00:50:20.880 --> 00:50:25.519
don't stop forget what other people say. Let it go,

824
00:50:27.159 --> 00:50:30.400
take the good, let the bad go, or else you'll

825
00:50:30.440 --> 00:50:32.320
end up what I did, doing what I did, And

826
00:50:32.360 --> 00:50:37.679
I shut down. And then I shut down until this

827
00:50:37.760 --> 00:50:41.159
last fall about a year ago, and then I started

828
00:50:41.480 --> 00:50:44.119
writing again at the behest of a lot of people

829
00:50:44.480 --> 00:50:49.159
started messaging me on Facebook and Instagram and emailing me

830
00:50:49.239 --> 00:50:51.719
and saying, man, sure, we love a story. And then

831
00:50:51.760 --> 00:50:53.719
my mom was like, get a story out there or

832
00:50:53.719 --> 00:50:56.840
getting grounded. I was like, Mom, I'm in my fifties.

833
00:50:57.679 --> 00:51:02.679
I was around me now she's at wart bet And

834
00:51:02.880 --> 00:51:05.880
after all of those years of being online successfully, I

835
00:51:06.000 --> 00:51:09.760
ended up going back to work, and today I work

836
00:51:09.960 --> 00:51:13.519
for a public school system, and I find out that

837
00:51:13.760 --> 00:51:20.800
I got all morning until afternoon free time to explore

838
00:51:20.920 --> 00:51:24.480
up the road at the Northern Claw. I can write

839
00:51:25.079 --> 00:51:28.599
and do things now that I have time for in

840
00:51:28.639 --> 00:51:32.079
my life. And I just had a my very first

841
00:51:32.079 --> 00:51:35.119
grand kid born, a little boy, and my son was like,

842
00:51:35.159 --> 00:51:37.039
I sure would love to read those stories to him,

843
00:51:37.079 --> 00:51:40.400
and that got the cockles of my heart. And I

844
00:51:40.480 --> 00:51:45.800
started up again on a channel called Where Bigfoot Roams

845
00:51:45.880 --> 00:51:53.880
and there just to let everybody know, I'll do some interviews,

846
00:51:54.000 --> 00:51:56.360
but I'm not going to do the interviews as many

847
00:51:56.400 --> 00:51:59.440
as I used to do. I prefer to listen to interviews.

848
00:52:00.199 --> 00:52:02.880
I love it here on the society. I love Creek

849
00:52:02.960 --> 00:52:07.119
Devil Saskaw chronicles. I love listening to a small town Monsters.

850
00:52:07.119 --> 00:52:12.840
I watched them all the time. I'm like listening to

851
00:52:13.480 --> 00:52:16.440
the interviews more than I like doing them. To be honest,

852
00:52:17.559 --> 00:52:20.440
I've always been a short story writer, a creative writer,

853
00:52:20.920 --> 00:52:29.400
and it was always more appealing to me for the

854
00:52:29.679 --> 00:52:34.679
entertainment side of the subject. To be honest, a lot

855
00:52:34.719 --> 00:52:37.840
of people sometimes tell me, like, yeah, I'm listening to interviews.

856
00:52:37.920 --> 00:52:40.079
I read all these books and all this stuff, but

857
00:52:40.159 --> 00:52:44.559
sometimes I just want to be entertained. And I heard

858
00:52:44.559 --> 00:52:49.440
that over the last few months, and so I decided

859
00:52:49.480 --> 00:52:53.639
that I will just focus mostly in on taking that

860
00:52:54.920 --> 00:52:58.960
three sentences or three paragraphs that's an the little story

861
00:52:59.119 --> 00:53:02.559
from somebody and turning it into a short story for

862
00:53:02.679 --> 00:53:07.880
people to just relax do. I had a grandmother emailed

863
00:53:07.920 --> 00:53:10.039
me and said, I used to read your pack lists

864
00:53:10.079 --> 00:53:14.280
Bigfoot stories to my grandkid every single night, and now

865
00:53:14.320 --> 00:53:17.039
I've got a new grandkid and I'm looking forward to

866
00:53:17.480 --> 00:53:22.239
reading those stories to her at night. And to me,

867
00:53:24.079 --> 00:53:31.159
that is what that's what makes me tick in the end,

868
00:53:32.039 --> 00:53:36.079
is to let you guys out there do a lot

869
00:53:36.119 --> 00:53:40.920
of those interviews and listen and learn, whereas I can

870
00:53:41.000 --> 00:53:45.440
be more of the bedtime story guy, where I take

871
00:53:45.519 --> 00:53:50.480
some based on true anecdotal stuff and turn it into

872
00:53:51.079 --> 00:53:53.719
a nice short story for someone to just enjoy.

873
00:53:55.719 --> 00:53:58.159
I think that's great. Wow, that's awesome.

874
00:53:59.000 --> 00:54:02.920
Yeah, And I will be heading into doing some children's

875
00:54:02.920 --> 00:54:05.280
books based around Bigfoot characters.

876
00:54:05.400 --> 00:54:07.320
Oh man, really.

877
00:54:08.039 --> 00:54:09.440
It'll be fun. Yeah.

878
00:54:09.800 --> 00:54:10.000
Cool.

879
00:54:10.360 --> 00:54:12.480
It just hit me the It hit me about a

880
00:54:12.480 --> 00:54:15.920
week ago and I was like, you know what, oh,

881
00:54:15.960 --> 00:54:17.760
and just by and by the way, you guys, these

882
00:54:17.760 --> 00:54:20.639
are not AI written. I write my own stuff. I

883
00:54:20.719 --> 00:54:22.880
do my own stuff. The only thing I use AI

884
00:54:23.039 --> 00:54:27.800
for is images. That's it. Yeah, do not write with AI.

885
00:54:28.239 --> 00:54:32.159
I find it. Yeah, I find it. I'll be honest

886
00:54:32.159 --> 00:54:35.760
with you. I find the cheat. It's cheating. I think

887
00:54:35.800 --> 00:54:37.559
you need to come up with these stories. I think

888
00:54:37.599 --> 00:54:41.679
that writing children's books yourself is an honest way of

889
00:54:41.679 --> 00:54:45.960
going about it. I really do. Everybody's got some creativity

890
00:54:45.960 --> 00:54:48.599
in them, I think, and you should use it.

891
00:54:49.920 --> 00:54:53.119
I think that's great. Yeah, that's why I enjoy actually

892
00:54:54.280 --> 00:54:58.199
talking to people directly and recording that in the things

893
00:54:58.239 --> 00:55:02.480
that come out of that organic conversation can never be

894
00:55:02.599 --> 00:55:08.480
replicated by anything else. It's just it's completely yeah. Yeah, yeah,

895
00:55:09.360 --> 00:55:10.880
and good stuff.

896
00:55:11.000 --> 00:55:11.119
This.

897
00:55:11.679 --> 00:55:14.760
I have been wanting to talk to you for a while, David,

898
00:55:14.920 --> 00:55:16.800
and I was always like, I wonder if he'll ever

899
00:55:16.800 --> 00:55:18.920
come back. So I'm glad that you came back in

900
00:55:18.960 --> 00:55:21.880
this way. It was great to talk to you. Yeah.

901
00:55:21.920 --> 00:55:25.000
Do you ever show up at any festivals or conferences

902
00:55:25.039 --> 00:55:26.280
just taking it in or.

903
00:55:28.039 --> 00:55:31.599
We'd have a I was invited the last year or

904
00:55:31.639 --> 00:55:37.519
two to the One Out and Glide here those organs.

905
00:55:37.760 --> 00:55:41.199
I haven't gone yet. But I decided this next go

906
00:55:41.360 --> 00:55:44.679
around next year during summer whenever it is, I decided

907
00:55:44.719 --> 00:55:46.760
that I'm going to show up and walk around and

908
00:55:47.320 --> 00:55:51.920
have lunch and just enjoy the folks walking around. If

909
00:55:51.920 --> 00:55:55.960
anybody recognizes me, great and I said hi, conversations into

910
00:55:56.000 --> 00:55:59.119
the day the rest of the day. But I haven't

911
00:55:59.159 --> 00:56:02.239
been to one years, to be honest, is it something

912
00:56:02.239 --> 00:56:05.519
I go out of my way for. I still have

913
00:56:05.599 --> 00:56:09.719
three kids at home out of five. Sure, so life

914
00:56:09.800 --> 00:56:12.800
is very busy for us and those of this. My

915
00:56:12.840 --> 00:56:15.639
wife and I work during the summer. I work during

916
00:56:15.639 --> 00:56:20.000
the day and I work ten hour shifts and so

917
00:56:20.039 --> 00:56:22.000
we could have three days off. But it doesn't mean

918
00:56:22.000 --> 00:56:25.199
that I ain't tired, because I do physical labor now

919
00:56:25.360 --> 00:56:28.960
and it's tiring. Sometimes. Our camping trips are about what

920
00:56:29.039 --> 00:56:31.679
we do during the summer. But I am looking forward

921
00:56:31.719 --> 00:56:34.079
to doing that at least going to the Glide Festival

922
00:56:34.119 --> 00:56:35.760
every year starting this next year.

923
00:56:37.239 --> 00:56:40.199
That's fantastic. Yeah, there's some there's some really good ones

924
00:56:40.199 --> 00:56:42.800
out there in Oregon. That's one of them. The Oakridge

925
00:56:42.840 --> 00:56:46.280
one is great. Sasquat Summer Fest is so many cool things.

926
00:56:46.280 --> 00:56:50.599
To the last one, I think the last one I

927
00:56:50.679 --> 00:56:52.400
was at was beach Foot. That was years ago.

928
00:56:52.800 --> 00:56:54.000
Yep, gotcha, gotcha.

929
00:56:54.079 --> 00:56:56.559
That was pretty cool. That's yeah, where my kids met

930
00:56:56.599 --> 00:56:59.519
mister Himlin. Took pictures with them and talked to him

931
00:56:59.639 --> 00:57:04.519
for he loved They ended up writing some letters back

932
00:57:04.519 --> 00:57:06.679
and forth a little while, and it was just he

933
00:57:06.760 --> 00:57:08.480
is just a wonderful guy. I have to tell you,

934
00:57:08.480 --> 00:57:11.800
he was just a wonderful man. He is he is

935
00:57:12.039 --> 00:57:15.320
love kids, and you could just tell it was just

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a great man.

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That is. That is really cool to hear, Actually, to

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hear that side about someone you might not normally hear.

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But David, it has been really fun having you on

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the show. I want to make sure that you're able

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to share everything that you wanted to. I think we

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had a good conversation. Yeah, it's great, fantastic. I've got

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one one other thing for you. But thank you so

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much for being on the show today.

945
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Yes, of course, thank you so very much. Man.

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Thank you for listening to this episode of the big

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Foot Society podcast. Every encounter we share reminds us that

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the world is bigger and stranger than we think, and

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that the truth is often hiding just beyond the tree line.

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