Sept. 11, 2025

The Other Camper's Story! | Washington

The Other Camper's Story! | Washington
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Season 1

What happens when a fly fisherman ventures into the quiet lakes of Washington — and ends up in the middle of a scream-filled nightmare? In this gripping episode, we reconnect with Ted, the mysterious second witness from the infamous Deadman’s Lake encounter. What began as a peaceful solo fishing trip during elk season in 2004 turned into a night of terror — a chilling, high-pitched scream shattered the silence, followed by eerie owl sounds and unexplained stomping just beyond the tent.



Ted, a longtime musician from Portland with a deep sensitivity to sound, breaks down what he heard — and why it still shakes him to this day. You’ll hear about his other strange experiences across the Pacific Northwest, including Mildred Lakes, Estacada, and the shadowy trails near Mount Hood.



Whether you’re a skeptic or a believer, this episode reminds us: the forest is never truly silent.

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You're listening to BIGFA Society, and I'm Jeremiah Byron. In

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this show, we go beyond the campfire stories to bring

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you first hand encounters from people who say they've seen

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something impossible. From backwoods trails and remote mountain haulers to

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quiet farms and crowded highways. The stories come from everywhere,

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and each one leaves us with more questions than answers.

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These are the voices of the people who've lived it.

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To settle in, because today you'll hear another account that

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just might change the way you see the woods forever.

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So stay with us. Three two one, I pick the society.

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You've got the privilege of talking to Ted today. This

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will be this will be a fun one, especially fun

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one for me. And this is because I love the

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ones that you think are never going to happen. Ted

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is the individual from episode six point twenty eight, the

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other guy at dead Man's Lake. So if you in Washington,

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if you've heard that episode where there was another gentleman

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at the lake during the encounter, this is Ted. So Ted,

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I was so pumped when I saw your email and

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I was like, oh my goodness. The guy actually he

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reached out and I was like, this guy will never

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reach out, He'll never hear it. So ted a few

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other things about you. First, you're also an avid fly fishermen,

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and you're going around the Pacific Northwest. I would imagine

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doing your thing there, and it's just a it's a

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pleasure to have you on the show. How are you

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doing today, sir?

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I'm doing well. Yeah, I've there for twenty years. I

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was piking into different lakes around western Washington, southwestern Washington

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in particular Oregon in the Oregon Cascades and fly fishing

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small lakes. And that's how I got pike it into

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dead Man's Lake. Let's see, it was this was, like

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I said, twenty years approximately twenty years ago. It was

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two thousand and four. It was September and.

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The elk season, bow elk season in Washington was underway,

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and I decided I was going to go and hike

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into dead Man's Lake.

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And then there's another lake nearby called Vansen Lake and

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fish both of those. On the trail. Going in, I

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ran into the person and his son from the other

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episode and we had a nice conversation. We ate a

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whole bunch of huckleberries because they were nice and ripe,

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but there on top of the ridge, and he told

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me that they were camped down there by the lake,

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and they were. They were at where the trail breaks

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off the main goat Mountain trail and goes down to

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the lake. They were camped right there, and so I

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passed their camp and went down and camped at the lake.

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I did some fishing, like I said I was going

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to do. I went walked around. I saw a lot

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of sign of elk down at the water, so I

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knew there were lots of elk around. I went over

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and did my fishing until it got oh almost dark,

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made my way back to camp, had dinner, and this

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is where my story begins. It's a little different than Freddy's,

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but for the most part it's it's pretty pretty accurate

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what he said. I'm also a musician here in the

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Portland area. I've been a musician for most of my

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adult life, you know, playing bars and stuff. But often

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that this is sitting at the lake, and I was

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just I just finished dinner and it was that twilight

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kind of almost dark but not quite there yet, and

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I was sitting watching the lake and oft in the

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distance very faintly. I could hear this. All I could

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say was a howl. It It sounds like a ghost

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that you know. Where it went up and pitch and

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it hung out on that pitch that high pitched for

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a while and then dropped off kind of like a

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like a bell graph. I heard that, and it was

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way way off in the distance, very faint, and I

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remember sitting there going, I wonder what that was, And

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I didn't think too much of it. I stayed up

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for maybe a half hour longer. It's probably nine o'clock,

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and I went, I went the tent, let's see and

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then and I fell asleep almost immediately woke up to

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a scream that was not far from where I was camped.

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And that was the same scream that I had heard earlier,

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but just an incredible amount of volume. Woke me up

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right out of a dead sleep and startled me pretty good.

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You could almost it sounded like as a scream was

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going on. It went up to a high pitch and

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then dropped off and had a kind of a low

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vibe to the end of it, kind of like I

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would kind of think of it maybe sounded like a

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pipe organ or something where it had multiple tones in it.

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The main tone was that high screen, but then it

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had some lower tones in there, and it was really

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really odd. I never heard anything like it before. It

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got me riled up. This was at eleven, approximately eleven

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thirty at night. Got me up. I stayed up for

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a couple of hours after that. I had my tent

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was open, and I was looking around just to see

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I wanted to see if I could see anything. But

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after that, how I had two owls that were near

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my camp that were calling back and forth to each other.

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It sounded like and they were just doing a per

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They weren't doing the uh the hoo cooks for you

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call they were doing and just a purchase sound. And

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that went on for for a little while. That went

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on for maybe half an hour. After this, the scream

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in my tent, you know, in the tent area, And yeah,

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that's so I listened to the owls I got Eventually

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I got back to sleep. I woke up. I set

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my alarm on my on my watch. Back then now

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i'd used my phone, but back I set the alarm

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on my watch and woke up at five and was

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still trying to figure out what I had heard that night.

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I packed everything up, put in my backpack, went down

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to the lake, looked around as it started getting light,

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looked around to see if I could see anything, and

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then I just got out of there because I was

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I was pretty freaked out. And as far as Freddy

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and his son, I didn't even know they were back

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up on the at the lake. I thought they had

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gone down to there. He said he had a trailer

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down at the at the horse camp, and I thought

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they went down there to spend the night down there

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and get because it was kind of the weather wasn't great.

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It was a little rainy, it was cold. I thought

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maybe we'd get some snow. There was some ice on

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the tent when I woke up in the morning at five.

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So but I did. I walk past her camp and

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I got out of there at first light. And he

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had mentioned in his story that he looked up as

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he got up, he looked up and I was gone. Yeah,

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I was gone. It was pretty terrified to hear that

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and not know what it was. That's about my story.

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So that's wild. How far away from Freddy's campsite were

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you again, We're.

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Probably I don't know. He said two hundred yards, and

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that's probably about right. It was probably, you know, at

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least two hundred yards. He was up on the hill

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above the lake a little bit, and I was down

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at the there's a hole horse camp down there where

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they had as a little meadow area off to the

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side where the horses get out, and they just kind

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of put them in out there in that in that

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meadow area, and that's where I camped. I camped right

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there because that and there had been horses there. You

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could tell, you know, there's horse goop all over and

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all that good stuff. But but yeah, that's that was

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probably about two hundred yards.

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Did you notice anything weird on the way out from

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that camp your your hike out of that area.

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I didn't notice anything odd coming out. I did. I

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did pause at the top and ate some more huckleberriers.

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They were really they were perfectly right, but that that

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time of the year, I think they were a little late,

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but they were. I picked a bunch of them. They

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were about the size of quarters that were huge, and

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I just remember eating those going out. See, I've been

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up in that air area a few times since then.

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It did close when I got out of there. About

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a week later, they closed the access roads to that

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area down because the volcano became active, and that was

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between that September. Well, I wrote it down, it's September

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twenty third of two thousand and four to approximately sometime

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in two thousand and eight. It never said what month,

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but I and that's why I couldn't get back in

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there because I live in Portland and to get back

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in there and had to drive all the way around

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and go in from Randall to get to that area,

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and it just it just was too far of a drive.

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It was a couple hundred miles to do it that way.

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So with those roads closed down because of the volcano,

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I couldn't get back in there, but I wanted to

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get back in there and try to figure out what

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I had heard and something. Since that experience, it's it

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really changed the way I the way I fish, the

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way I camp, the way I do anything. I've always

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got my head on a swivel. I've always you know,

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It's it's I'm always aware of my surroundings and I'm

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always looking to see if something's sneaking up on here

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or something. And it's just changed how I do stuff.

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It's I don't I don't solo backpack anymore. I used

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to do that all the time, and I've done it

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a couple of times since then, and I don't I

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don't get any sleep, so it's not really worth going

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out and doing. But yeah, it's it's it was. It

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was pretty traumatic and changed pretty much how I do everything.

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I do a lot more car camping now than I

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used to and stuff like that.

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But yeah, I can definitely imagine why. For sure, you

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also have a you told this account to the BFRO

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correct correct. Yeah, on that account, it looks like the

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investigator says that you had reminded the sound reminded you

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of a sound that you've heard gibbons make. Is that

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something that has changed over the year years with the

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way you remember it or do you do you still

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feel like that's a pretty good representation.

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I think it's it was pretty much the first time

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I heard it. It did that that where crescendo's up

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and you know the bellgraph thing like I said, that

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goes up and up on the pitch. It's like those

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crazy videos you see on YouTube and stuff where the

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gibbon it does that crazy thing. You know. It was

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kind of like that when it went up to that

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high pitch and then it from there. It stayed on

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that high pitch for quite a while. I was probably

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I don't know, six seven seconds, eight seconds before it

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dropped off. But yeah, it's it was kind of like

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that that beginning. It is the only thing I could

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think of at the time. He asked me, if I had,

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you know what I had could compare it to, and

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that's what I.

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Told him, gotcha, gotcha, you have a really interesting viewpoint

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of it because also you have that musician's background, so

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you really get sound in a way that a lot

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of us probably wouldn't get. Did hearing that sound? Did

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that affect you physically in any way while it was

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going on?

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Well, it terrified me. I actually was in my tent shaking.

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The only weapon I had with me. You know, I

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normally don't carry anything with me, but I have I

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had carried a knife with me, but that was the

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only thing I had as far as you know, and

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that's a utility knife. I use it for splitting wood

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and everything. You know, it's it's not a defense a

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defensive knife at all. That's so now, you know, not

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having any kind of weapon or anything up there was

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you know, it did terrify me. It wasn't to the

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point where I got up and left right away. Ol

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Freddy said that he thinks that I got up and

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left right away, but I didn't. I was there till

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five am and then I packed up. But yeah, it

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was I normally do that when I go back back

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into a lake, and I would go in and then

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i'd get up at five and i'd kind of watch

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the you know, sunrise and see if there were any

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fish feeding and stuff like that. So that's just kind

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of how I used to do things.

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Gotcha at any point, did you notice anything around that

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campsite that was out of you know, it wasn't ordinary.

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Maybe there are big impressions in the ground, or they're

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broken trees or bent over trees or or anything weird

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like that.

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You know, in two thousand and four, I didn't know

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to look for that kind of stuff like tree snaps

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and stuff like that, or wood knocks. I would have

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just assumed a wood knock was just something falling off

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a tree as far as any of that stuff goes. Yeah,

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I wasn't. I was. I liked bigfoot, you know, the

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whole idea of bigfoot. I grew up on a family

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that my dad used to take us out on drives

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in the woods, you know, and we call it looking

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for Bigfoot, you know. We go off and just drive

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around on gravel roads up around like Esticada and areas

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like that back in the seventies. But yeah, it's I

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never really I did. There was an area, like I

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mentioned earlier. It was like a pasture area, not pasture,

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just a little meadow area off the side of the lake,

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and it had been trampled down. But I just assumed

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that had been trampled down by the horses. I didn't,

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you know, I didn't. I did make a little trip

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around on the sand. That whole area around the lake

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is a sandy pumus rock type stuff, and any animal

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that walks on leaves a track. So I did walk

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around a little bit of the lake. I did find

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where some cow el could come down and gotten some water,

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probably during the night. I didn't see him in the morning,

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but I may have heard them off in the in

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the woods. But yeah, I don't remember seeing anything. I

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did go out looking for footprints to see if I

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could see any big Foot footprints, but that is really

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the only thing, you know, I knew of at the

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time that they would leave.

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So it's a really interesting detail how as a child

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in your younger years you went out with your father

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in an extremely active area. Estakida is absolutely bonkers, and

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I know that from experience, and you went out with

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your father, which is really really cool. You know, you're

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driving around, you're looking for stuff. I have a few

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questions about that, I guess the main one is, so

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you have that time in your life where you're like, okay,

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bigfoots out here. But was this dead Man's Lake area

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the instance there? Was that the first time that it

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became very real for you and you experienced it, or

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was there another time earlier where it's like, oh, this

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is real.

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I had one other time in my life where I

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had something happen as a kid, and after, you know,

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after years of thinking about it, I'm assuming that that's

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probably something. It was. It was up in the Olympic

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National Forest and we had hiked in. I was a

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group leader guy and he would bring three or four

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kids and we'd hike into these lakes and we went

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to there was a series of three lakes out in

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the in the national stup there on the Olympics called

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Mildred Lakes, and we had hiked in and we were

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camping at the We were camping at one of the lakes,

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and it was about, you know, midnight, one o'clock in

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the morning, and we all woke up to this thing

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screaming across the across the lake at us, and nobody

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knew what it was. And the guy, the adult who

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was with us, he says, Oh, it's got to be

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an elk. It's got to be an elk, And so

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we just, oh, okay, we just all assumed it was

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an elk. But you know, think looking back on that,

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that's probably the first time I had anything that was

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really weird as far as, you know, something vocalizing at me.

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But yeah, other than that, that was probably the first

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the first time I never did we never did see anything.

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When when my dad and I and you know, we

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would go out and drive around the roads, we were

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just exploring. I never I don't know, you know, we'd

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get out of the car and stuff, but a lot

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of times it was just to go up and fish

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for listeners.

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Mildred Lakes they are it looks like they're north of

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Lake Cushman, which has come up on the show a

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lot of times, so we know that areas. I mean,

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being in the Olympics, it's it's highly active, but being

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not too far away from Lake Cushman, it looks like

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it's definitely definitely an active area. What you heard that

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those screams, were they similar to what you heard then

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at dead Men's Lake or would you say they were

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different in a way.

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They were shorter, they weren't a long howl. But it

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was just like something was screaming, just like at us

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and it was from across the lake. But but and

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it went on for five minutes or something like that,

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so it was a longer duration of this and it

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was more than one yell. I guess what I heard

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at dead Man's was that drawn out how sound? And

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I just heard the dead Man's I just heard it

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the one the one time in camp. I didn't hear it.

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I know Freddy said something about hearing it like yelling

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at him, yelling at his tant which may have happened.

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I just was because it must have gone up that way.

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But yeah, that's the howls were different from the from

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the Olympic Peninsula one Olympic fourcete.

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I do want to also point out for listeners that

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the main So I'm just going to ask you, so,

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what was the main reason that you were going to

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dead Man's Lake for that time?

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I was actually going to go up, I was. I

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know the report said one night, but I was actually

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going to go up for two nights. And I was

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going to fish dead Man's Lake the first day and

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then go over to Vanson Lake, which is maybe two

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miles away, and fish that and camp there the second night.

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And never made it to Vance and I took a

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right went back to my car.

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Absolutely. So that's that's a reminder where I'm sure a

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few listeners had heard that Olympic National Forest infoman like, oh,

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this guy is actually a big for research, but that's

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not what he was at dead Men's like for he

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was there just to do fly fishing. He's an avid

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fly fisherman. So I want to make sure the listeners

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are aware of that. Now, would your father ever tell

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you stories about Bigfoot activity in the Estacada area?

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Then no, I don't know if my dad was a

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believer in Bigfoot or not. I don't I remember him

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having us all sit down and watching the Patterson Gimlin

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thing when that was on TV as small kids, you know.

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But I don't know if he you thought it was

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a guy in a suit, or if he thought it

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was a real deal or you know. I never really

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asked him about it, and he he passed away before

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I had a chance to. You know, this happened after

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he'd already passed, so I never had a chance to

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talk to him about it.

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Gotcha. Have you ever heard any accounts from the Estacada

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area yourself? I, personally, I haven't had any.

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I've heard other other people's accounts on the BFRO and stuff.

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There's some recordings from up in that area of of

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how I know, Uproaring River area up going up to

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Rock Lakes, a lake serene in that area. That is

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supposed to be a good area to go and look around,

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but I haven't. I haven't done that in years. It's

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last time I was at Rock Lakes was probably back

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early two thousands. Let's see. I know there's shell Rock

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Lake has had some some activity up there, but it's

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a pretty active area up in this part of the

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Mount Hood National Forest. I've been camping up near Timothy

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Lake in that by not far from Mount Hood, and

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that area seems to be. There's a lot of sign

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I found a I actually found a footprint and I

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showed it to my wife. I found some if you

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believe in tree structures. I found a tree structure that

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was a big cross that had been it obviously had

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been set up. The trees weren't from that area. And

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then I went up a week later and one of

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the pieces was missing. So I don't know what that means,

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but it it had been moved. It wasn't around on

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the ground either that the cross had been because I

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thought a picture of it, and then it went back

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and it, well, it's missing the other part you know

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where to go. And I was with my wife on

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that trip and I showed her the picture. Then we

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were looking at it, going, I have no idea what's

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going on here?

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That's wild? That shell rock shell Rock Lake area that

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you're talking about. I mean, that's you probably took two

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twenty four to get there, right.

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Yeah, okay, yeah, and then yeah and then fifty seven

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I think it is the road going up to it.

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Then it's fifty eight off.

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Of that or absolutely to to make sure listeners, So

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what's going on there is So this is the Oregon

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Bigfoot Highway. That two twenty four is the Oregon Big

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Fight Highway from the book that goes from Sticada down

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to Detroit. So he is talking about an area where

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it's it's north of Ripplebrook in a little bit east

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it looks like but yeah, extremely extremely active area. And

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you can get that book if you want our read

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more reports from that area. Now, going back to Deadman's

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like for a few minutes, you know, Freddy's son had

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had the actual visual of a of what he says

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he saw a face. Now, I just want to double

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check during Yeah, during your interactions there, yours were all

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you're just hearing things correct, correct.

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Yeah, it was just all audio. He Yeah, he said

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it looked like an alien. That would have creeped me

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out to see that peeking at me from around a

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log or whatever.

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Yeah, it's it's a weird pattern that is kind of

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slowly coming out. I mean there's other Oregon reports where

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you hear that, and I'm thinking specifically about the Cottage

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Grove area. I've talked to two gentlemen from two different

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i mean nineties and more recent where they see something

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that looks like an alien in that area. You know,

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that's further south in Oregon, but there's there's some weird,

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weird stuff going on. Also, what kind of fish did

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you end up catching from that lake?

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From Dead Men's Yeah? Mostly, Well it was brook trout, Okay, Yeah,

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they had stocked at it some time with brook trout.

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So and then I see I'd fished Vansen before and

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that was rainbow so I could either catch brook trout

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or rainbow trout. So I was going to do the

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two different types of fish.

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Absolutely. So you've got berries and you've also got the trout,

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and so you have definitely some food sources going on

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there at the time that you were there. I just

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wanted to double check and get your thoughts on it.

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What you heard when you were up there? Is there

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any chance that that could have been an elk? What

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you heard?

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No? Actually, you know, I've been around elk for for years.

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I was avid elk hunter for for many years. But

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you know, I've heard bugles, grounts, chuckles, you know, every

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every sound that they they make. I've heard them when

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they're when their voices are hoarse from from bugling, and

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they sound kind of almost like a frog. I mean,

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they they I've heard a lot of elk in my

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in my ears, and I know it wasn't an elk.

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I would have loved to have been an elk because

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I wouldn't be thinking about a bigfoot every time I

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go in the woods.

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But absolutely, the sounds of the area up by that lake,

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outside of the things you were hearing, what were the

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other sounds that you were hearing in that area.

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Besides the howl I mean the owls or the well

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I had the owls that were that were cooling back

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and forth, and that was near my camp. That was

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that was pretty close to where I was at, So

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I don't know how close I was looking around in

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the I had my flashlight. I was looking around in

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the trees, but I couldn't I couldn't see any eyes,

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so and I know their eyes shined when you hit

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them with a flashlight. I think that I did hear

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some what sounded like stomping. It was off away from

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from where I was, but it just sounded like something

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was just stomping like it was mad, is what I

465
00:27:26.119 --> 00:27:31.279
was assuming, but just found and then it did that

466
00:27:31.480 --> 00:27:35.519
for maybe ten seconds, but it was like it was

467
00:27:35.559 --> 00:27:39.960
getting further away from here. It wasn't very loud. I

468
00:27:39.960 --> 00:27:41.839
don't know if that's what it was, or if it

469
00:27:41.880 --> 00:27:44.759
was if it was beating on something or you know,

470
00:27:45.160 --> 00:27:47.279
or what it was. But that's what that's what I

471
00:27:47.359 --> 00:27:48.880
was thinking at the time. I was thinking, yead, it

472
00:27:48.880 --> 00:27:49.799
sounds like stomping.

473
00:27:50.440 --> 00:27:53.759
Oh, that's interesting. What what time of day did that

474
00:27:53.799 --> 00:27:54.319
happen at?

475
00:27:55.279 --> 00:27:57.839
That was during that howl event? That was after the

476
00:27:57.880 --> 00:28:00.799
thing it howled in the camp? Ye, and it was.

477
00:28:01.119 --> 00:28:04.319
It was a few minutes after that, and I heard

478
00:28:04.400 --> 00:28:07.319
that And I couldn't tell which direction it was coming

479
00:28:07.359 --> 00:28:09.960
from or anything else. It was just I could hear

480
00:28:10.000 --> 00:28:10.839
it in the distance.

481
00:28:11.759 --> 00:28:16.440
Gotcha. Would you ever go back to that that area?

482
00:28:17.400 --> 00:28:21.240
I've been back there a few times. I've been back

483
00:28:21.240 --> 00:28:26.240
to dead Man Lake three or four more times after that,

484
00:28:27.599 --> 00:28:32.160
and I've gone back there with audio recorders and you know,

485
00:28:32.319 --> 00:28:35.160
cameras and anything else, and of course you take the

486
00:28:35.160 --> 00:28:37.720
stuff with you. You don't you know, hear or see anything.

487
00:28:38.559 --> 00:28:41.640
So but yeah, I've been back in that area a

488
00:28:41.640 --> 00:28:42.599
few times.

489
00:28:43.160 --> 00:28:47.480
Okay, so this is very interesting. So you're going back

490
00:28:47.559 --> 00:28:50.920
not with the motivation to fish this time, you're seeing

491
00:28:50.960 --> 00:28:54.359
if you can capture evidence of what happened it.

492
00:28:55.160 --> 00:28:57.599
Yeah, like I said, it's changed how I do things

493
00:28:57.599 --> 00:29:00.559
in the woods. I don't go out and you know

494
00:29:00.799 --> 00:29:03.839
and do the fishing lakes like I used to. It's

495
00:29:04.039 --> 00:29:06.079
a lot of it is just going around looking for,

496
00:29:07.240 --> 00:29:09.799
you know, something that would you know, like a sign

497
00:29:09.839 --> 00:29:13.599
of like a track or a broken stick, you know,

498
00:29:13.680 --> 00:29:17.599
the broken tree snaps or or something like that. You

499
00:29:17.640 --> 00:29:21.000
know that might be indication of a bigfoot. That's it's

500
00:29:21.039 --> 00:29:24.559
really changed how I how what I do in the woods.

501
00:29:25.200 --> 00:29:29.880
And maybe not for the better because I I, you know,

502
00:29:29.920 --> 00:29:33.039
I sit and tie flies. Also while I'm while I'm

503
00:29:33.079 --> 00:29:36.920
not doing anything, I have a hole set up over here,

504
00:29:36.960 --> 00:29:40.599
and and I probably have ten thousand flies tied up,

505
00:29:41.720 --> 00:29:43.680
just because I don't fish as much as I used to.

506
00:29:44.440 --> 00:29:48.319
Gotcha. But it's something you still enjoy doing, is creating

507
00:29:48.359 --> 00:29:49.880
the flies for the fishing.

508
00:29:51.240 --> 00:29:55.880
Yeah, it keeps me occupied, gotcha. Yeah.

509
00:29:55.920 --> 00:30:00.000
So when you went back these other times with recording equipment,

510
00:30:00.079 --> 00:30:02.519
et cetera, there was nothing out of the ordinary that

511
00:30:02.680 --> 00:30:06.599
was either that you experience or that was captured on

512
00:30:06.720 --> 00:30:07.480
these devices.

513
00:30:08.359 --> 00:30:10.599
Yeah. Correct, Not even an owl. I mean I would

514
00:30:10.599 --> 00:30:12.720
have I would have loved to have an owl hoot

515
00:30:12.880 --> 00:30:15.839
and been able to get that on on a recorder,

516
00:30:16.160 --> 00:30:16.720
but nothing.

517
00:30:17.759 --> 00:30:20.960
So that's interesting though. So does that mean that you're

518
00:30:21.000 --> 00:30:23.720
hearing no sound at all when you when you went

519
00:30:23.799 --> 00:30:27.160
out there, or you're still maybe hearing some bugs, et cetera.

520
00:30:28.079 --> 00:30:30.240
Oh yeah, I'm hearing the net you know, the normal

521
00:30:30.319 --> 00:30:34.039
forest sounds, the wind blowing through the trees, the bugs

522
00:30:34.039 --> 00:30:37.359
buzz and you know, stuff like that. It's you know,

523
00:30:37.400 --> 00:30:40.880
in the evening, you hear the frogs out there. So

524
00:30:40.960 --> 00:30:44.160
it's still you know, it's you still have the normal sounds,

525
00:30:44.200 --> 00:30:47.759
I would call them. It is nothing nothing out of

526
00:30:47.799 --> 00:30:50.440
the normal. Ut you know, nothing out of the the

527
00:30:50.920 --> 00:30:58.319
normal drone, I guess of of you know, the regular sounds. Yeah,

528
00:30:58.440 --> 00:31:02.359
I mean really thinking about it, Yeah, it's been And

529
00:31:02.440 --> 00:31:04.640
I took my I did take my dog up there

530
00:31:04.680 --> 00:31:09.359
one time and we were walking around the lake. This

531
00:31:09.480 --> 00:31:11.599
was kind of weird, but we were walking around the lake,

532
00:31:12.440 --> 00:31:13.799
just kind of looking and I was taking her for

533
00:31:13.880 --> 00:31:16.920
a walk and we're going around the the area that

534
00:31:17.000 --> 00:31:20.359
surround surrounds the lake, the pomisey stuff, and all of

535
00:31:20.400 --> 00:31:22.839
a sudden, she just turned around and ran at full

536
00:31:22.920 --> 00:31:26.400
speed away from me, going back to camp. And I

537
00:31:26.440 --> 00:31:30.519
have no idea what she smelled or caught wind of

538
00:31:30.680 --> 00:31:33.160
or heard or something, but something freaked her out pretty

539
00:31:33.160 --> 00:31:35.200
bad and she just took off around and she'd never

540
00:31:35.240 --> 00:31:39.759
done that before. So that was kind of a weird

541
00:31:39.799 --> 00:31:40.920
thing that's happened up there.

542
00:31:42.039 --> 00:31:48.000
That is extremely weird for sure. What is your goal

543
00:31:48.279 --> 00:31:53.160
now with with spending your time going out to these

544
00:31:53.240 --> 00:31:56.920
places trying trying to capture something? Do you have a

545
00:31:56.960 --> 00:31:58.640
specific goal in mind through all this?

546
00:32:00.240 --> 00:32:02.519
Not really, It's just it's for me. I don't care

547
00:32:02.559 --> 00:32:07.319
about you know, I'm not out to prove Bigfoot exists, don't.

548
00:32:07.440 --> 00:32:10.599
I don't really care what people think about that. To

549
00:32:10.680 --> 00:32:14.319
tell you the truth, I'm just out for my own

550
00:32:15.440 --> 00:32:18.480
you know, fulfill my own goals of you know, looking

551
00:32:18.480 --> 00:32:21.279
for something like that. You know, it's it also gives

552
00:32:21.319 --> 00:32:23.839
you an excuse to go out in the woods. I

553
00:32:23.920 --> 00:32:26.720
enjoy getting out and hiking in the woods still. I

554
00:32:26.720 --> 00:32:30.680
mean I'm sixty two now, but I still enjoy getting

555
00:32:30.680 --> 00:32:34.319
out and hiking the trails and get out looking at stuff.

556
00:32:34.359 --> 00:32:36.960
I don't haunt anymore. Like I said, my fishing is

557
00:32:38.160 --> 00:32:41.039
not nearly as much as I used to fish, but

558
00:32:41.119 --> 00:32:45.160
I still get out and walk around looking for stuff.

559
00:32:46.680 --> 00:32:50.160
It's it's a really it's such an interesting story and

560
00:32:50.200 --> 00:32:52.799
it's so cool to have both views. Have you talked

561
00:32:52.839 --> 00:32:54.400
to Freddy since that time?

562
00:32:55.480 --> 00:32:57.799
No, I haven't. That was that was the first. It

563
00:32:57.880 --> 00:33:01.359
was really weird to be watching YouTube you been having

564
00:33:01.359 --> 00:33:03.240
my story being told by somebody else.

565
00:33:03.680 --> 00:33:06.680
Oh that's what I wanted to ask you, is can

566
00:33:06.720 --> 00:33:09.920
you walk me through like how you even got to

567
00:33:10.720 --> 00:33:11.920
hear this to begin with?

568
00:33:13.119 --> 00:33:17.079
I was I've been thinking about going back over in

569
00:33:17.079 --> 00:33:20.480
that area to do some camping because I have had

570
00:33:20.519 --> 00:33:24.880
some weird experiences over near there. And I mean, I

571
00:33:24.920 --> 00:33:28.279
had something stomp through my campground the middle of the night,

572
00:33:28.359 --> 00:33:31.119
three o'clock in the morning. Something was with a gurgly,

573
00:33:32.240 --> 00:33:35.359
you know sound when it was breathing, stomped through my campground.

574
00:33:35.960 --> 00:33:39.279
Me and two other guys were camping there, you know,

575
00:33:39.400 --> 00:33:45.599
just out having a guy's weekend, and they they they

576
00:33:45.640 --> 00:33:48.680
were dying on both of them. Are were freaked out

577
00:33:48.799 --> 00:33:50.319
enough that they wanted to get out of there and

578
00:33:50.359 --> 00:33:53.519
go back home. Not knowing what that was, I had

579
00:33:53.559 --> 00:33:55.279
no idea what it was. It could have been. For

580
00:33:55.359 --> 00:33:58.039
all I know, it could have been a bear. But yeah,

581
00:33:58.079 --> 00:34:01.799
I've never heard anything stomp through my campground before. But

582
00:34:03.160 --> 00:34:05.079
so what was the question again, Sorry.

583
00:34:04.960 --> 00:34:07.480
I'm sorry, but that is extremely interesting. We're going to

584
00:34:07.519 --> 00:34:11.079
get access. So I guess the question was, how did

585
00:34:11.159 --> 00:34:13.599
you stumble upon that episode?

586
00:34:13.880 --> 00:34:21.239
Yeah, okay, well I was. Actually I've been employed by

587
00:34:21.280 --> 00:34:25.960
the same employer for forty three years. I worked. I

588
00:34:25.960 --> 00:34:29.360
probably shouldn't say where. I got laid off just a

589
00:34:29.400 --> 00:34:33.880
couple of months ago. So in my you know, my

590
00:34:34.000 --> 00:34:38.639
new found time off, I've been sitting here watching YouTube

591
00:34:38.760 --> 00:34:42.800
videos and I just happened to type in dead Man's

592
00:34:42.880 --> 00:34:47.320
Lake and I got that episode and I listened to

593
00:34:47.360 --> 00:34:50.480
it and it was it was you and Freddie doing

594
00:34:50.519 --> 00:34:53.719
the talking about the thing. And I played it for

595
00:34:53.800 --> 00:34:57.079
my wife and she's, you know, exactly what happened, you know,

596
00:34:57.920 --> 00:34:59.960
And because I've told you know, she's heard the story

597
00:35:00.360 --> 00:35:04.280
four hundred times. And my mother in law listened to it,

598
00:35:04.360 --> 00:35:06.480
and I guess I told her about it sometime. I

599
00:35:06.760 --> 00:35:09.599
don't remember talking to her that much about it, but

600
00:35:09.679 --> 00:35:12.760
I guess she she called up, like, Harry heard it,

601
00:35:12.880 --> 00:35:17.599
you know that guy talking about your story. That's exactly

602
00:35:17.639 --> 00:35:20.079
what you said. Yeah, so that's what. Yeah. I've just

603
00:35:20.079 --> 00:35:22.280
been kind of hanging out of the house doing some

604
00:35:22.559 --> 00:35:27.119
you know project for projects around here and going camping,

605
00:35:27.639 --> 00:35:33.199
and yeah, I just happened across the YouTube video and

606
00:35:33.239 --> 00:35:36.800
watched that. That was great. And Freddy was when I

607
00:35:36.840 --> 00:35:38.519
met him up in the woods, him and his son.

608
00:35:39.280 --> 00:35:43.480
Great guy, really nice guy, easy to talk to kind

609
00:35:43.519 --> 00:35:45.000
of guy. You know it was, it was he was

610
00:35:45.079 --> 00:35:46.760
really a pleasant person.

611
00:35:48.199 --> 00:35:52.119
Wow, that is That's incredible. I mean, I forget people.

612
00:35:53.079 --> 00:35:56.559
I do it because I enjoy talking to people about

613
00:35:56.599 --> 00:36:00.159
Bigfoot and helping him out, and I forget, Yeah, people

614
00:36:00.159 --> 00:36:02.039
who actually listen to this thing. And you're not just

615
00:36:02.079 --> 00:36:07.760
in your basement talking to people anymore. But you had

616
00:36:08.320 --> 00:36:11.519
that's how it was back in twenty nineteen. You had

617
00:36:11.800 --> 00:36:16.119
mentioned that. So that time when you had the weird

618
00:36:16.360 --> 00:36:18.559
thing go through your campsite and it was making the

619
00:36:18.559 --> 00:36:20.719
gurgly noise, was that in the same area or a

620
00:36:20.719 --> 00:36:21.360
different area.

621
00:36:22.320 --> 00:36:24.440
It was down at the Green River, which is down

622
00:36:24.480 --> 00:36:26.400
at the bottom of that valley. You know that that

623
00:36:26.840 --> 00:36:30.679
ridge got Mountain Ridge is twenty four hundred feet and

624
00:36:30.719 --> 00:36:33.239
it's almost straight up. You're doing switchbacks for twenty four

625
00:36:33.280 --> 00:36:36.079
hundred feet, So it's twenty four hundred feet down and

626
00:36:36.119 --> 00:36:40.119
there's a Green River that flows through there, and some

627
00:36:40.199 --> 00:36:43.840
of the biggest Douglas fir trees you'll ever see in

628
00:36:43.880 --> 00:36:47.079
your life are in there on the trail that follows

629
00:36:47.079 --> 00:36:50.519
that river. But yeah, it was down there was a

630
00:36:50.559 --> 00:36:53.920
little just you know, dispersed camping area down there. It

631
00:36:53.960 --> 00:36:56.440
was dry camp, and we just said, pulled in there

632
00:36:56.440 --> 00:36:58.239
and set up, set up a camp, set up a

633
00:36:58.280 --> 00:37:02.760
tent in camp. I put some some video, you know,

634
00:37:02.800 --> 00:37:05.320
the trail cameras. I put a couple of trail cameras

635
00:37:05.400 --> 00:37:08.079
up we had, you know, and then we went down

636
00:37:08.119 --> 00:37:13.159
and messed around on the river and and stuff. But yeah,

637
00:37:13.199 --> 00:37:15.079
that was just one night. I think we stayed there

638
00:37:15.119 --> 00:37:17.840
a couple of nights, but that was just one night.

639
00:37:17.880 --> 00:37:19.960
We had some stomp through the camp.

640
00:37:20.880 --> 00:37:23.920
That's interesting. You still got something like that even though

641
00:37:23.960 --> 00:37:27.360
you had trail camps set up, because usually you know that.

642
00:37:27.400 --> 00:37:29.400
All oh they were Yeah, there were ways away from

643
00:37:29.480 --> 00:37:32.199
the from the camp though. There. I got a bunch

644
00:37:32.199 --> 00:37:35.960
of coyotes on them. That was a I probably got

645
00:37:36.800 --> 00:37:40.119
ten different coyotes on the on the trail cameras, so

646
00:37:40.320 --> 00:37:43.000
it was they were. It was an active night of

647
00:37:43.000 --> 00:37:44.360
of animals moving around.

648
00:37:45.280 --> 00:37:49.039
Gotcha, how has is that the only weird thing you've

649
00:37:49.119 --> 00:37:51.880
experienced going out in the woods since that time, or

650
00:37:52.440 --> 00:37:57.000
do you experience other unexplainable things as well.

651
00:37:57.159 --> 00:38:01.519
Well, I've had well this is totally in a different

652
00:38:01.559 --> 00:38:03.599
area though, but this is over in Oregon. This is

653
00:38:03.679 --> 00:38:07.320
up still in the mounta Hood National Forest, but barely

654
00:38:08.480 --> 00:38:11.599
it's almost over as you drop off to the Brighton

655
00:38:11.639 --> 00:38:15.119
Bush River, which is over by Detroit. It's an area

656
00:38:15.400 --> 00:38:18.440
that we've been I've been actually going there for years,

657
00:38:18.440 --> 00:38:20.199
and I think the first time I went there was

658
00:38:20.239 --> 00:38:23.199
with my dad back in the seventies. But it's an

659
00:38:23.239 --> 00:38:29.760
area on an old logging road called Tarzan Springs. And yeah,

660
00:38:29.800 --> 00:38:33.840
so we've been going there forever. And I had gone back, walked,

661
00:38:33.880 --> 00:38:36.159
actually went walked back the road. I was going to

662
00:38:36.199 --> 00:38:41.679
set up a couple of trail cameras for because I

663
00:38:41.679 --> 00:38:45.000
was doing some scouting for hunting, and so I set

664
00:38:45.039 --> 00:38:47.400
the trail cameras up and came back and my wife

665
00:38:47.519 --> 00:38:50.440
is going, very funny, very funny, and I'm going, because

666
00:38:50.800 --> 00:38:54.079
you're over there knocking on that tree. So while I

667
00:38:54.199 --> 00:38:57.119
was gone doing that, they were getting wood knocks knocked

668
00:38:57.119 --> 00:39:02.320
at them. My wife and my granddaughter. They of course

669
00:39:02.360 --> 00:39:07.239
blamed me, but it was not me. So that is wow.

670
00:39:07.880 --> 00:39:08.679
Oh my goodness.

671
00:39:08.880 --> 00:39:13.519
Yeah, that's a weird one. But other than that, it's

672
00:39:13.559 --> 00:39:18.480
really I mean, I haven't had too many experiences there's

673
00:39:19.360 --> 00:39:21.880
I mean, I've heard knocks here and there, but you know,

674
00:39:21.960 --> 00:39:22.840
they could be anything.

675
00:39:24.000 --> 00:39:29.079
Are you aware of the history of that Tarzan Springs area?

676
00:39:30.000 --> 00:39:32.239
I am, Now, Yeah, I just went out there because

677
00:39:32.280 --> 00:39:34.679
it had the because it was a Tarzan name, so

678
00:39:34.719 --> 00:39:37.159
we we'd just go up there because you know. But yeah,

679
00:39:37.159 --> 00:39:40.960
it was a logger or minor or something that lived

680
00:39:41.000 --> 00:39:42.239
up there with the monkeys.

681
00:39:42.840 --> 00:39:47.000
Yes, we're probably talking about the same guy whose name

682
00:39:47.119 --> 00:39:50.960
was Glenn Thomas, and the story Thomas right, the story

683
00:39:51.280 --> 00:39:55.400
goes is that he saw a whole family of sasquatch

684
00:39:55.599 --> 00:40:00.800
in that area that we're flipping over big rocks, digging holes,

685
00:40:00.840 --> 00:40:04.159
and then eating the squirrels that were hiding underground. I

686
00:40:04.280 --> 00:40:06.960
believe that's That's pretty much the easy way to say

687
00:40:07.000 --> 00:40:09.760
what was going on. But again, if you want more

688
00:40:09.840 --> 00:40:12.440
or more info about that, get the Oregon Bigfoot Highway

689
00:40:12.440 --> 00:40:15.800
book and it goes into great detail. What year was

690
00:40:15.840 --> 00:40:18.800
that that you had your thing happened?

691
00:40:19.440 --> 00:40:25.480
Oh, probably twenty sixteen, Oh wow, twenty seventeen, something like that. Yeah,

692
00:40:25.480 --> 00:40:28.800
it wasn't that all? How I see, my granddaughter is

693
00:40:28.840 --> 00:40:34.440
eleven now, she was about four, so six years ago,

694
00:40:34.719 --> 00:40:39.159
is that right? Eleven? Seven years so whatever? Seven years

695
00:40:39.199 --> 00:40:39.679
ago would be.

696
00:40:39.760 --> 00:40:42.599
Yeah, nine or ten yep, yeah.

697
00:40:43.280 --> 00:40:46.960
Yeah, so it was that's the last time we had

698
00:40:46.960 --> 00:40:50.159
anything up there happened like that. But we found a

699
00:40:50.159 --> 00:40:53.000
footprint up there one time too when we were driving

700
00:40:53.039 --> 00:40:55.239
up there. So I think I've turned my wife into

701
00:40:55.480 --> 00:40:58.079
kind of a believer. She was very skeptic about it

702
00:40:58.159 --> 00:41:07.039
and skeptical about it, but I think she's coming around it. Well.

703
00:41:07.159 --> 00:41:10.280
I mean sometimes it doesn't take much. I mean yeah,

704
00:41:10.800 --> 00:41:14.639
especially you're able to take her to places like this,

705
00:41:14.760 --> 00:41:18.519
which is just like man talk about, like you're getting

706
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into the thick of it. But it's very cool to

707
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hear that, you know, well, Glenn Thomas's situation happened so

708
00:41:27.199 --> 00:41:29.000
long ago. I want to say it was back in

709
00:41:29.039 --> 00:41:32.320
the late sixties. And to hear that, yes, still having

710
00:41:32.400 --> 00:41:35.880
things happen in the same area, I mean as recent

711
00:41:35.920 --> 00:41:38.840
as nine to ten years ago, which is it's very

712
00:41:38.920 --> 00:41:45.719
very cool. Yeah, that Brighton Bush area comes up a lot.

713
00:41:46.039 --> 00:41:49.800
There's a hot springs there, and I bet those guys

714
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have had some weird things happen.

715
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But yeah, I've been up by that. We've we camped

716
00:41:56.639 --> 00:41:59.199
over around the Brighton Bush a few times. I mean,

717
00:41:59.480 --> 00:42:02.360
we don't go all the time, but we've been up

718
00:42:02.400 --> 00:42:04.679
in that area. It's burned up there. It burned up

719
00:42:05.239 --> 00:42:09.000
right up to that resort spa up there. I believe

720
00:42:09.039 --> 00:42:11.360
it burned right up to it. Yeah.

721
00:42:11.519 --> 00:42:13.960
I believe you're right, because I know Detroit had a

722
00:42:13.960 --> 00:42:15.920
big fire too a few years back.

723
00:42:16.639 --> 00:42:19.880
Yeah, that was the thing. It burned. Yeah, it burned

724
00:42:19.880 --> 00:42:22.920
everything down to the ground. It was pretty pretty amazing

725
00:42:22.960 --> 00:42:25.480
to go up and see that. I mean, like I said,

726
00:42:25.519 --> 00:42:27.679
I've been going up with that up in santy Am

727
00:42:27.679 --> 00:42:30.760
and the bright And Bush and Upper Clockha was my

728
00:42:30.800 --> 00:42:33.719
whole life. And to see that all gone, it just

729
00:42:33.719 --> 00:42:37.920
looks like a totally different area. Wow.

730
00:42:38.320 --> 00:42:43.679
I mean, this has been a really, really interesting conversation

731
00:42:43.840 --> 00:42:47.639
and we've gotten to way more than just the one

732
00:42:47.719 --> 00:42:49.639
area I thought we were going to be looking at. So,

733
00:42:49.960 --> 00:42:53.599
I mean, this has been extremely fun ted. Thank you

734
00:42:53.679 --> 00:42:56.440
so much for coming on the show and for sharing

735
00:42:56.480 --> 00:42:59.079
what you've experienced over the years. I want to make

736
00:42:59.079 --> 00:43:01.519
sure that you were able to share everything that you

737
00:43:01.599 --> 00:43:03.400
came on the show to share.

738
00:43:03.440 --> 00:43:07.840
Today. Oh yeah, yeah, I definitely have shared what I

739
00:43:07.960 --> 00:43:10.320
was gonna and then a whole lot more so.

740
00:43:12.039 --> 00:43:15.159
Fantastic. Well, well, thank you sir for coming on and

741
00:43:15.239 --> 00:43:17.760
I appreciate it. Stay in touch. If you ever experience

742
00:43:17.920 --> 00:43:20.320
anything else weird out there, I'd love to hear about it,

743
00:43:20.360 --> 00:43:21.639
and thank you so much.

744
00:43:21.679 --> 00:43:24.159
Man. All right, well, thank you sir.

745
00:43:25.119 --> 00:43:26.920
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