The Sasquatch Killing Fields of Hatcher Pass, Alaska

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It jumps, it lands and immediately
goes into like a spider crawl position,

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and it is like puffing its cheeks
and just breathing and like looking around and

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like like what's going on? Like
like like it was clear that I was

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not supposed to be there. It
was trying to like size me up and

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try to figure out what to do
with me because I wasn't I wasn't moving.

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I stood back up, let him
see me, and it was just

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like keeps looking at me, and
he looked at the trees behind me.

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As soon as I break eye contact
with him, he looks at me again

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and he starts with his long arms. He starts to pull himself through.

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He starts moving. I was like, no, don't do it. And

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he looks again and he like SLINKs
in there. You could hear him just

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like crashing and I could see his
arms grabbing like branches, just crashing through

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the woods. And I was like, all right, I'm going, I

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for coming back for another episode.
Got the privilege of talking to a new

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friend, Josh today. Josh contacted
me over the Internet and he said he

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had some interesting stories to share about
Bigfoot from his time growing up in Alaska.

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So how's it going tonight, Josh? Oh, it's going great,

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beautiful day. You know, I
can't complain about that. Oh, absolutely

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it is. You know, we
had some storms roll through here, but

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now the grass is growing. Everything's
nice and lush and we are loving it.

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So same out where you're at,
or well, I mean the weather's

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nice. It's like it gets really
like really hot and dry out here in

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the summertime and the winter it's from
like a mild, rainy, kind of

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easy winter. So I can't complain
about that. But yeah, a little

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it's been. It's a been a
little like because like how I grew up

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in Alaska and like the experiences that
I had previously, like I'm most slightly

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more aware of my surroundings, and
like I've noticed it's a little bit squatchy

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out here too, like a little
a little off pudding, like to say

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the least, especially like because I
still like to hunt and I've been drawing.

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I drew a couple of great tags, and you know, I had,

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like, you know, on our
way back from the beach off here

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in Oregon, the highway cuts across
where my my tag was supposed to be,

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and I'm like just keeping an eye
out and just just to sort of

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like size it up, because you
know, I don't I don't like to

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just you know, willy nilly will
wander into the woods unless I know it's

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it's it's okay, you know,
and low and behold, like just along

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the road, a big, big
hairy para lais, I'm stepping out of

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the woods and stop at a little
like rock outcropping right at the edge of

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the highway. So I'm passing by, I'm like, I gotta change my

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tag and that that That's what the
for the most part, it's been like

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out here when when you notice like
the little the little things, the subtle

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things that people might not like pay
attention to because they got their lives and

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all that stuff, but they're there
is a lot that goes along, goes

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on in like the woods surrounding like
just about anywhere. I've noticed sometimes like

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animal noises and stuff. You know, you got your standard like deer and

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like, you know, maybe a
raccoon here and there, but like sometimes

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there's stuff that's out of place and
it sounds big and it doesn't it doesn't

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sound correct, like it sounds out
of place. And it's been like an

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actual struggle to like psycho camping or
anything like that, just because I'm aware

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of it all. Have you ever
do you experienced that? Or have you

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ever experienced that? Josh and long
time listeners of the show could probably tell

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the story a little bit as well. But so I've experienced I would say

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maybe more class B type things in
Iowa. You know, when we went

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out last year tainting myself and you
know, I experienced a tree being pushed

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over in the woods in front of
us. Would Knox capture that night and

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then my tent was on zipped at
three forty five am on a Sunday night

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when we were out in the woods. That that still messes with me today.

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I've not really gotten over that.
And we are going back out there

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and listeners can watch Sasquatch. A
search for Sabe Tates documentary the Iowa episode

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you can find out more about that. So I've not yet heard of vocalization

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or actually seen a big foot,
Josh, but I am getting closer,

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right, Yeah. If if you
ever, like if you say, you

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go on YouTube or something, look
up what a Caribos grunt sounds like.

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And it's like a certain kind of
like like a like a like a grunt.

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Like I'm was, like, I've
heard other other people you've had on

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a show mentioned like a like a
like a like a grunty, piggy sound,

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h like a huff, and then
like a like a like a nasally

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like sort of like a deer we'll
give up, We'll give like a certain

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kind of grunt like Carriboo is much
heavier and like they got bigger lungs and

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so it's much much louder. And
my what I've noticed is like if if

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they're if they'd say they When I've
been in a hunting in Alaska for Cariboo,

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I thought that was a great sound
at first, but then I was

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like, you know, I'm sleeping
on the side of the road. They're

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not even up in the mountains.
Yet I'm about to like hit the trail

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in the morning, and I've already
got like a cariboo next to my tent,

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and like I'm like looking at my
revel. Okay, I guess I'm

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getting up. It's my lucky day. And then all of a sudden,

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I hear you know, a big
like heavy like like like a hordle and

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then like and then like they're just
it's gone by the time my mom zipping,

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just like nothing was there on like
a cariboo would just hang around and

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there was nothing, you know,
and like this thing was like sniffing and

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grunting around the tent, and I'm
like, I'm like, is it a

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bear? Is it a caribou?
I hope it's not a mouse, you

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know, it's a It's a stuff
like that where you can't see directly what

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you're what you're dealing with, and
there's like a handful of things and in

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the back of my mind I tried
not to think about it. It's like

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they could be a squatch just like
checking me out, and like I just

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felt funny. Well, like when
I actually dealt with that, like it

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was a little terrifying, you know, because like you don't. You don't

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know until you know, and then
you gotta get out and face the music

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and just see what's going on.
And that's a little crazy. Yeah,

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I can understand. I can feel
you. Like if a zipper though a

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zipper, that's that's like way beyond
like you know, yeah, it's like

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it's like you're you're, you're your
safety bubble is like that thin vinyl like

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wall of the tent, and like
like a zipper is like the one thing

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that animals can't really figure out.
But then some things I can Marie like,

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oh my gosh, not cool,
Like I don't know if i'd been

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Yeah, Josh, when you heard
what whatever it is you heard in that

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tent? You heard it that huff
noise outside? Did you hear actual like

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do you think it was it something
running away? Can you remember, like,

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yeah, what that sounded. I
it it sounded like it was like

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you could hear it's it's footsteps.
It was like a lot of roads are

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like gravel out in the back parts
of Alaska, and so when something's stepping

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out there, it's it's gonna be
make that crinkly noise. But the crinkly

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noise it made was kind of soft, and that that's what I've noticed.

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It's very it was very soft,
like a caribou. It's gonna be a

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hoof and it's gonna have like a
a really pronounced like like step sound to

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It didn't have that, but it
only had maybe I could hear it circling,

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and then when I started to unzip
the tent, it gave the huff

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and then I could hear it like
maybe like three or four steps, and

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it was it was like moving away. And so then I got out and

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it was already gone like into the
brush and that that now looking back that

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stuff, so I was like,
that's way squatchy. That's very squatchy,

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and that that's just like you know
that the like the like the not confirmed

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sighting kind of just I heard something
funny kind of thing. But then like

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the the Reels the Reil stuff happened
when I was a kid, like,

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uh, the worst of it.
Chuck me getting into that part yet real

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so real quick. There's probably some
people that are curious. Can you share

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anything about where the area was where
you had that tent encounter? Yeah,

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okay, if you if you go
past willow up into up the the Highway.

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There there's a there's a place called
Montana Creek, and I know that

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the bears go there during the silver
salmon run to get the salmon, and

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up in the mountains there the caribou
will be coming through to feed and the

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berries are usually starting to ripen.
And but you can it is just north

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of Hatcher Pass. It's just like
pretty much on a map, you could

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see it's like kitty corner to too
close to where I grew up and had

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my previous encounters. But if you
just go on like Google Earth or something,

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you can find it. Just type
in Montana Creek and it should just

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take you there. Most of the
stuff that I experienced was just around those

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Takita Mountains there. But later on, I guess I'll just jump into that

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story with the tent. The after
I experienced that, I decided I'm not

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gonna I'm not sleeping anymore. So
I packed up the tent and I decided

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to just push on and just get
out of the area. And so I

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packed up my little one man tent
and I just hopped it down the road.

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I had my uncle dropped me off
there because I thought that's where the

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trailhead was turns out it was like
another five miles down the road. So

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I had like quite a high get
just to the just the trail out,

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just so I could get up the
mountain. My main focus at that that

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exact moment was like to get into
the high ground because I knew the bears

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were feeding on fish and they're gonna
be in the low ground. And so

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I just decided after that, I
was like I was out of there because

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I didn't want to contend with the
bear. I was just I just wanted

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to get my get my egg and
and go, you know. So I

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start hiking up up the mountain,
gets to the trailhead Montana Creek, started

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heading up there. There's like a
like a like a four wheeler trail that

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goes all the way up into the
mountains and and it just hugs the canyon

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to the Montana Creek below. There's
like waterfalls and all that stuff and big

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timber and look, I hiked for
all morning, Like I got up probably

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about four in the morning, hiked
too, got to the trailhead about five

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thirty in the morning, and then
I just started walking up. So right

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around eleven o'clock, eleven thirty in
the afternoon, I'm like, you know,

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really starting to hop it, and
I'm getting into the berries. I'm

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like feeling better about everything, and
I'm starting to see big rocks and all

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this stuff and a less sign of
bear and it's just looking a little,

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a little, a little better for
me. So I'm like taking breaks and

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working my way up, and right
right when I started to get to this

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bend in the trail where I can't
quite see around the corner, We'll be

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I just hear all this like an
a ferocious like a roar, like a

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like and like arf and a big
like huff, and then like a boulder

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the size of a basketball went like
like just just over my shoulder, like

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I almost got clavered by this big
rock, like a big granite boulder,

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and I could not see what did
that like, because like I've never had

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that happened. I like stopped,
saw the thing, and I ran up

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just to pick up the corner,
and the thing had already like dude,

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doe doe, douche. And I
saw like the branches on the trees above

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the trail, they're like rustling because
it just like I'd just smacked through and

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it sounded huge and about as big
as a grizzon would be. So whatever

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it was, I'm on like looking
back on like that was another experience.

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And that's like two two and like
a two in the morning. That's that's

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crazy. Uh. And so it
was big enough. I had a thirty

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odd six rifle with me. It
was big enough where I was like looking

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down at it, I was like, this is a pea shooter. Like

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I don't I don't need to be
going up here. So I immediately didn't

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about face and just like walk back
down the trail, called up my uncle

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and like had him picked me up
and all that stuff. But if you're

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looking for a little excitement, go
to Montana Creek. So there you go

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listeners, and it sounds like you
could be taking your life into your hands.

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Whenever you're doing Alaska stuff, you
need to be well prepared, even

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probably beyond prepared, is my guess. I've never been up there personally,

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but from what I've seen and heard, it is an extremely wild place and

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you really only get a chance or
maybe two chances when you're out there.

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So yeah, on my way up, my uncle said, I think you

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made the right decision. He said
that there's been a there's been four or

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five hunters that have disappeared up there, and I'm like, after the fact,

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I'm like, oh, that made
me feel so safe. I was

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like, all right, it'll just
get out of here. And it just

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sort of put things in perspective when
it comes to hunting, like you really

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do have to like look at the
little things like is there a lot of

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do people pull a lot of animals
out of there? Or do they pull

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very little? And why are they
pulling very little? Or is there something

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else eating the animals besides besides just
like wolves and bears, because there can't

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be that many wolves and bears eating
all the deer, especially if surrounding areas

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have like a fifteen hundred deer come
out maybe five miles down the road in

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either direction. Yeah, this one
only pulls out like twelve and then you

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see a pair of hairy legs,
and you know what's up. You got

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to be going in there, and
you just you gotta just be aware,

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more aware than the normal. It's
camping is stressful. I thought it would

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relaxed me and stuff, but it's
like it can be it's stressful and just

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in that way. Once you know
what's actually out there and it's like just

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cruising around it, it takes on
a whole level level. It's like it's

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becomes way more real. And I've
I've become accustomed to just camping and really

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crowded family camp and campsites now where
like there's too many people where they're gonna

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be trouble, you know, Okay, interesting, so you have you stick

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to the groups for safety. Yeah, it's it seems it works, okay,

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but even still, you know,
you got that in the back of

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your mind all the time, like
thinking about like is it safe, because

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I like, do these people because
I know none of them are looking out

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for that sort of stuff. They're
just playing having a grand time. But

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they're making lots of noise, and
I like when people are making lots of

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noise, that's the best thing.
Have you heard of any other encounters happening

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in that Montana Creek area? Have
you ever looked into that. I'm just

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curious. I haven't heard of anything. The only thing I heard was what

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my uncle told me was that people
have ended up missing up that very trail.

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So well, but I do know
that like farther south. I just

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like looked into like what's going on
in the mountains, and like, as

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I understand it, this is all
the secondhand. I haven't like directly like

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asked any of the local natives like
if this is a true thing. But

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apparently the Willow side of Hatcher Pass
is like they stayed out of that area

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because it was designated for the the
wild people, the Sasquatch out there,

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and where I grew up was just
south of that and down in the so

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just a little farther south you got
Hatcher Pass. It comes out to Willow

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and just over that mountain is like
Government Peak and then it like slopes down

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and then you were at the Matanuska
Valley. You got Bishook Road, the

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little suicide of the little suicide of
rivers. Coming out of the mountains,

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you got like a string of lakes
and like it it was like just about

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endless forest all the way up to
the mountains. And since then it's like

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they've a bunch of developers have come
through and like just putting in like like

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a hundred houses in there. And
but before that, when I when I

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was there, it was it was
just like raw wilderness and it was like

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on the back side of a military
reservation that like so nobody went went in

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there. You know. The house
I grew up in was like just just

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across the street from this this wilderness, and so there was little creek in

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there, and there was like a
few lakes that they were all connected to,

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and like it was like a blast. You know, you just look

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forward to just like going into your
friends and just like cutting into the woods

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and like splashing around and you know, wrestling and whatever, you know,

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boy stuff. But at times,
like one one day, like the my

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brother and I went out to the
backside of the lake and we had never

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actually been out there before, but
it was like this little meadow that had

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grown in off of this little marsh, and we decided to just like slink

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in there and just check it out. It was just me and my little

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brother. We weren't very big,
like I think I was like maybe ten,

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he was like seven or eight,
uh, you know, just you

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know, playing with stuff, picking
things up and looking at things. I

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think he was tying his shoe swats
down and I look over and in the

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tree line. This was like the
very first first time we saw something there

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was like just a huge sassquatch like
in in the tree line, sort of

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like his hands on like the highest
branches and he's just watching us. But

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he's like rocking from side to side. And that's once he realizes we saw

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him. He looked down in a
way and he just sort of slipped and

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disappeared. He got real low,
super low, and like kind of like

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disappeared into the brush, and my
brother was like, we need to get

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out of here, and I was
like okay. And just the fact that,

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like I know, people have mentioned
that they have like a like a

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silvery shimmer to some of their fur. What I've noticed about them is like

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they have an undercoat like denser fur, but then there's like these like like

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a much lighter, whisper, longer
coat on top of that. So this

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like a more like so like two
layers for the upper earlier is more like

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a it picks up the light.
And when you're like, say, if

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it's like it when the sun starting
to set and the dew starts coming in,

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it's harder to pick them up.
They started blend in with like the

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mist a little more, but like
because the sun was still out, I

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was able to pick up the red
in his fur, his under fur,

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and it just silhouetted him enough for
us to pick it up and just notice

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him. And that was like the
very first time, and so that we

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never went back to that area at
least for a few years. But that

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that following winter, we hadn't mentioned
it to anybody. That following winter,

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we were we found this little closer
to home. They found a nice little

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like gentle sloping hill and we wanted
to go sliding, so we went with

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our friends. We're sliding down this
hill. We get that. We get

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out there and we notice these these
tracks, these big tracks, and like

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either it's a bear or a moose, and my brother and I both knew

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it was. It was like probably
one of those things. And I said,

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I think it's a big foot.
And the friends were with, we're

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not having that stuff. There's just
some people that just don't unless it's in

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the zoo, it doesn't exist.
And I've got time or any of that

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stuff. I mean, he's like, I don't believe you. I don't

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want to hear it. Blah bladih
blah. I was like, okay,

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whatever. We dropped it, but
the the trail led out from where that

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creek was diagonally towards the Anderson Lake, which is a the lake we lived

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next to. There's like three lakes
there, Anderson Lake, Dry Lake,

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and then they removed the name of
it. I'm thinking because of like real

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estate reasons, but it was called
Mud Lake. And then there was like

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a creak network connecting all the lakes, and in there it was like rainbow

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trout and and landlocked salmon and stuff
like that. So a plenty of food,

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you know, moves coming through there. It's like a very like like

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in terms of like stuff to do, stuff to eat. That guy's got

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everything. That's bountiful. But we
saw that the tracks went from our little

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hill, i mean out of the
out of the bush, diagonally across the

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street and towards the other side of
the lake. And I thought it was

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odd, was like, why why
would somebody be just walking through there.

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He's like they had snowshoes off.
Let's just drop it, bah and you

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know, it's stuff. Was like
you just sort of go with it,

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but like, you know what it
is, right, And these guys have

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said, Hey, our neighbors having
a barbecue, you want to come and

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enjoin us? Because we were going
to go over there after we were sledding.

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I was like, Okay, it's
almost time. You want to take

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a shortcut. So we took a
shortcut through the woods, and we get

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through the woods across one lake,
up a trail across the other lake to

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the backside of this guy's little barbecue
he had. So there's already like thirty

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people there. They're all gathered around
this big bonfire in the backyard. They're

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cooking and hot dogs and hamburgers and
all this stuff. It's middle of winter.

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Alaskan's got a party. When they
got a party, I guess.

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But so we show up and then
and they're like, oh my gosh,

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And like the owner of the house
was like, man, you kids are

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brave for coming out of there.
She knew what I saw. And then

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I'm like, what'd you see?
And then like the neighbors like no,

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no, no, no, we
want to give him nightmares and we don't

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want to tell him. And then
he started talking about how like the howls

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he heard at night, and and
I go, I was like, what

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kind of howls? It was like, I've seen things, kids, you

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know what. I don't want to
talk about it anymore. Well, let's

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not talk about this. And you're
getting kind of frustrated because I kept probing

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him, and we just sort of
sat there eating hot dogs about this band

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Bonfire. This guy kind of just
doing in his memories, and like the

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mood sort of went from like laughter
to a little like this weird awkward silence.

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But he's just eating quietly, and
he said, like, boys,

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I want you to promise me you'll
never go back into those woods again.

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I was like, okay, And
of course those kids are right. We

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went right back into the woods like
all the time that following summer. My

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mother and I were like it was
a hot day and like we just got

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done visiting family and like we're sorted
over it and we wanted to go and

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run around the woods and mess around, and so we got to We asked

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permission. They said we could go, and so we jump across the street

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and start heading down the hill to
him. Like the creek that's there and

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there's like a couple of logs that
press across across it, and it's like

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it's got like a nice little deep
hole where I'd love to it was my

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favorite fishing spot. Like I just
I would always catch something there. We'll

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be back with more Bigfoot Society after
these words from our sponsors. And so

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I'm leading the way. My brother's
like maybe ten feet behind me. He's

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he's on the hill hilltop. I'm
at the bottom of the hill. On

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the log. There's a I think
this tree had fallen and uprooted a different

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tree, and I had like lifted
up the root sort of the root mass

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of it, and so it was
like blocking the creek. And when I

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was like went onto the log,
I saw this hairy leg step into the

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creek and like I'm like, oh, is that a bear? And like

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my brother froze. I froze,
and like we just heard it like darting

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its arms around and just like put
like a cat, you know. And

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then all of a sudden, you
just here see him like lift up h

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a rainbow trout and like he's just
like h and she's just like smacking on

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this fish like just like golf,
like just making just we'll just say,

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masticating on this fish. Like just
it sounded like loud smacking, crunching,

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like chewing on a raw fish.
And then he like we're sort of like

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trying to just like our brains are
trying to wrap our heads around, like

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what we're looking at, to make
sure we're looking at what we're looking at,

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if it's a bear or not,
or if it's another one of those

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things we saw, you know.
And it stops for a second, and

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it peeks over in the creek and
I catch a flash of red eyes,

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you know, like the just a
little bit, and then it backs in

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and then I think it a fish
bumped it, and it grabbed the fish,

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and it starts smacking on another one. And then after it was done,

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it stood up because it was down
on a like squatting down in this

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creek, and it had been like
there was a hole in the creek,

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so it had been like four pp
It it stood up and its head went

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way over the root mass of this
birch tree, and it was like it

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hair was messy. It wasn't bear
shapes, and it was like black skin,

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like jet black black hair like straight, but like kind of messy.

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And I could make out the because
it had splashed water all over its face.

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It was picking up some of the
light and the sun was starting to

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set a little bit, so it
was a little dark in the in that

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depression where the creek was at,
but I could make out it like when

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it was looking at us. We
were looking at him, and my brother

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was looking at me, and I
looked at him and he was looking for

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She was just like, are we
supposed to be running? You know?

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But I'm like just mesmerized by this
thing. Like just it puts out its

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hands and it moves the branch out
of the way so it could get a

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better look at me. And there's
just like a little like birch branch.

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It just like huge long black fingers
with a care on top of the on

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top of the hand just like just
like gently like moves the branch out of

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the way. And I'm just getting
a full glimpse of this guy's head and

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it and it's the pupils were dilated
so big. It was like about the

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size of like a nickel like on
each side, So it was it couldn't

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have been a person. It had
to be one of those things, right,

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And it's like the hair is just
crazy and it's looking I'm catching the

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light and I'm catching like the finer
details like that the nose like had really

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flared nostrils, and uh, I
almost thought it was a bare for a

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second because the nostrils were so flared. But they had like a bridge,

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a wide bridge on the nose and
like the hairs on the on the cheek,

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which is it was like a human
face, uh, but just below

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like the cheek bone. The hairs
came out to a point up to the

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nose and they were like a lot
looser, a bit more wiry straight,

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uh and like with like a little
bit of like you know, a little

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bit of water ripping off of them, just a little bit, but like

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it really like the moisture really picked
up on this game, and was they're

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able to really see the gauntness of
like the cheeks, those really lean like

407
00:35:31.360 --> 00:35:34.840
cheeks that they didn't have any He
didn't have any fat on him. He

408
00:35:34.880 --> 00:35:39.039
was I guess he was hungry.
But at that moment, I was like,

409
00:35:39.239 --> 00:35:44.760
Okay, even if it's not very
we shouldn't be here. And my

410
00:35:44.840 --> 00:35:47.119
brother's like, we gotta get out
of here. I was like, I

411
00:35:47.239 --> 00:35:52.679
looked at run and so we start
running up the up the hill and that

412
00:35:52.800 --> 00:35:58.360
thing starts running too. Everyone's in
the opposite direction, so it's like splashing

413
00:35:58.400 --> 00:36:01.840
through the creek. It gets onto
the grass and then it gets super low.

414
00:36:01.880 --> 00:36:06.199
It's like doing a spider crawl,
and I could and like I get

415
00:36:06.280 --> 00:36:09.480
up to the top of the hill. It's only maybe like thirty yards right,

416
00:36:09.519 --> 00:36:15.519
so it's not very far off the
road. I stopped to look and

417
00:36:15.599 --> 00:36:19.360
to see it, like I want
to make sure I can see it as

418
00:36:19.400 --> 00:36:22.480
it was like coming out where it
went. If I'm ever going in these

419
00:36:22.480 --> 00:36:27.039
woods again, I wanted to see
where that thing was going and it and

420
00:36:27.119 --> 00:36:30.159
I got to see it, like
how it moved through and it was like

421
00:36:30.519 --> 00:36:32.960
it's such such a long reach with
the with the arms, and it was

422
00:36:34.000 --> 00:36:37.559
just using the trees and the saplings
to sort of pull itself through the underbrush.

423
00:36:37.679 --> 00:36:45.079
It pulled its massive body underneath like
this this nasty spruce tree, like

424
00:36:45.079 --> 00:36:49.119
a dried out spruce tree. I
had tried to clap across that thing once

425
00:36:49.239 --> 00:36:52.440
or twice, and I like just
get my shins all tore up, and

426
00:36:52.239 --> 00:36:55.000
I just stay off of that thing. That thing just busted through that just

427
00:36:55.039 --> 00:37:00.400
swimming, just swimming through the brush. And then it gets to the opposite

428
00:37:00.400 --> 00:37:04.880
bank and up next to the road
and it climbs out and it is like

429
00:37:05.039 --> 00:37:12.119
massive, it's tall, hairy,
like the whole thing was like it was

430
00:37:12.159 --> 00:37:19.000
just like head toe hair and not
long hair, just really frazzy like short

431
00:37:19.039 --> 00:37:23.880
hair maybe three inches for the most
part. The longest part the hair on

432
00:37:23.920 --> 00:37:29.599
the body was on the shoulders and
on the top of the hands, a

433
00:37:29.639 --> 00:37:35.599
little bit up the forearms, the
backside, like his his glutes, his

434
00:37:35.639 --> 00:37:39.119
little buns, they were like massive
actually there, and they were like covered

435
00:37:39.159 --> 00:37:46.320
in a consistent hair. And like
he's just like one two like bounds and

436
00:37:46.360 --> 00:37:52.519
he's up this embankment and he's looking
back at us and he just gets those

437
00:37:52.480 --> 00:37:58.880
roof he just gives like a that
grunt, that keep away grunt, and

438
00:37:58.920 --> 00:38:02.440
he gives like about three of them, and he's like already running with his

439
00:38:02.639 --> 00:38:07.079
huge arms, that just long arms. And like what was incredible was like

440
00:38:07.119 --> 00:38:14.679
I could see I was shoulders because
he was like slightly slouching. His shoulders

441
00:38:14.679 --> 00:38:19.079
were really droopy, really droopy,
but they were super broad, and how

442
00:38:19.119 --> 00:38:24.239
he ran was like his body sort
of narrowed and it really like slimmed down

443
00:38:24.280 --> 00:38:30.000
his profile when he was running because
the mechanical I don't know, it's like

444
00:38:30.360 --> 00:38:35.000
his arms are swinging at an angle
in front of him, and his legs

445
00:38:35.039 --> 00:38:42.519
were like like criss crossing in front
of itself, and like he was like

446
00:38:44.320 --> 00:38:55.639
had it been like like fifty fifty
yards within like six or seven steps,

447
00:38:55.639 --> 00:39:01.199
Like it was just like he was
he was like leap running. Essentially,

448
00:39:01.239 --> 00:39:06.920
He's like douge dude, and he
just gives out this ferocious howl. He's

449
00:39:06.960 --> 00:39:13.119
like who, and like he just
cuts into the woods right where we saw

450
00:39:13.159 --> 00:39:19.360
those tracks previously, and so I
knew that that that's that was a big

451
00:39:19.360 --> 00:39:23.880
foot and that was like right where
we were playing, and like like there

452
00:39:24.679 --> 00:39:28.960
there was no mistaking it. And
like the whole time I'm looking at this,

453
00:39:29.159 --> 00:39:31.960
my brothers like yanking on me.
We gotta go, we gotta go,

454
00:39:32.119 --> 00:39:36.360
And I'm like it's like focused on
it, and like I snap out

455
00:39:36.400 --> 00:39:38.679
of it. We run inside,
you know. I tell the family.

456
00:39:38.760 --> 00:39:45.159
They're like there's a debate, Like
no, they're only down south, I

457
00:39:45.280 --> 00:39:49.440
heard, And like my Dad's like
I've never seen anything or any of that.

458
00:39:49.840 --> 00:39:54.880
He actually worked up in the gold
mines up in the Tuckta Mountains and

459
00:39:54.920 --> 00:40:00.920
so he's been up in Hatcher Pass
and all that stuff, and so he's

460
00:40:00.960 --> 00:40:07.679
been up in and around the whole
area for decades before he came to him

461
00:40:07.679 --> 00:40:10.840
with this little story. So he
didn't believe us one bit, and it

462
00:40:10.880 --> 00:40:14.760
was just like he just said,
well, whatever it is, it ran

463
00:40:14.800 --> 00:40:19.920
away, it's not going to come
back. And so I trusted him enough

464
00:40:19.960 --> 00:40:22.519
to just say, Okay, he
did it, did run away, So

465
00:40:22.320 --> 00:40:25.039
that was gonna be it. Like
I was not going to see anything about

466
00:40:25.039 --> 00:40:28.599
it. So then I sort of
put it in the back of my mind

467
00:40:29.519 --> 00:40:31.639
and eventually, you know, you
sort of forget about it a little bit

468
00:40:31.679 --> 00:40:38.000
and you move on with your life. And that part was sort of left

469
00:40:38.039 --> 00:40:40.519
me with, like, you know, you have the occasional nightmare here and

470
00:40:40.519 --> 00:40:46.880
there, but you know, you
always gotta check, you know, like

471
00:40:46.960 --> 00:40:52.039
you always look over your shoulder.
What year about did that happen? This

472
00:40:52.079 --> 00:40:58.159
was probably I would say this was
about I would say nineteen ninety or nineteen

473
00:40:58.199 --> 00:41:04.440
ninety one, okay, yeah,
and yeah, you're about white age again.

474
00:41:06.000 --> 00:41:12.679
I am forty three now I'm about
to be forty four, gotcha.

475
00:41:13.960 --> 00:41:23.159
Yeah, the I think a little
while, like a few years later,

476
00:41:25.320 --> 00:41:30.880
I'm you know, I worked at
the courage to still go into the woods

477
00:41:30.880 --> 00:41:35.559
and all that stuff, and like
our friends, we all would go mess

478
00:41:35.599 --> 00:41:39.719
around in those woods. Even after
all of that stuff. We're still bored,

479
00:41:39.760 --> 00:41:52.079
I guess. I would often take
this trail that went between the two

480
00:41:52.159 --> 00:41:59.480
lakes, and it went diagonally towards
a Wolf Lake, and that's a an

481
00:41:59.519 --> 00:42:08.280
old military reservation that's sort of like
it's like butted up against the Takina Mountains

482
00:42:08.280 --> 00:42:12.719
and into right at the bit and
the opening of Hatcher Pass and all that

483
00:42:12.760 --> 00:42:19.800
stuff. But what was I would
often go up there and take my dog

484
00:42:19.920 --> 00:42:24.039
or whatever and go like grouse hunting
with like a little twenty two. I

485
00:42:24.119 --> 00:42:31.920
did it all the time, and
sometimes like this this time that I went,

486
00:42:32.760 --> 00:42:37.280
I ended up leaving my dog behind
because I just didn't want them barking.

487
00:42:37.760 --> 00:42:42.559
I just wanted them to like get
the jump on the birds and you

488
00:42:42.599 --> 00:42:45.239
know, come home and everything.
And like the dog got excited a lot,

489
00:42:45.360 --> 00:42:50.639
and he didn't like guns, and
it was just a there was always

490
00:42:50.639 --> 00:42:57.039
a hassle. So I left the
dog and as I this, this trail

491
00:42:57.199 --> 00:43:01.239
like cuts straight through the woods for
the ways for a couple of miles and

492
00:43:01.280 --> 00:43:07.840
then it opens up to this clearing
where I think they were like head for

493
00:43:07.920 --> 00:43:15.239
whatever reason, like cut out of
whole swaths of trees, like for whatever

494
00:43:15.280 --> 00:43:22.280
reason they had, but like every
time I passed this spot, I was

495
00:43:22.320 --> 00:43:25.159
like, I noticed that the mountain
looked really close. I was like wondering

496
00:43:25.239 --> 00:43:30.760
if I could walk up and like
actually get to that mountain, and like

497
00:43:34.239 --> 00:43:36.559
decided, you know what, today
is the day I'm gonna do it.

498
00:43:37.079 --> 00:43:43.559
And so you know, I'm I
got my like I'm looking around making sure

499
00:43:43.760 --> 00:43:47.280
the coast is clear for me to
just go off trail because it was so

500
00:43:47.360 --> 00:43:51.519
clear and you could see so far, and it just seemed like such an

501
00:43:51.519 --> 00:43:54.320
easy little pike to like poke around
and explore. So I decided to just

502
00:43:54.440 --> 00:44:01.480
do it. I get to about
two and a half three miles in,

503
00:44:02.519 --> 00:44:07.800
I get really I started to notice
like the mountains getting pretty close, but

504
00:44:07.840 --> 00:44:10.360
it's so really far away, and
maybe I ought to just turn back.

505
00:44:10.800 --> 00:44:14.159
I'd gotten too a lake and I
was tired, and I was like,

506
00:44:14.760 --> 00:44:20.000
it's this is good enough, this
is nat But I actually get back and

507
00:44:20.679 --> 00:44:27.280
I turned around. I'm like right
next to this cluster of trees and I

508
00:44:27.320 --> 00:44:31.880
can it thins out at the point
and there's like another cluster of trees like

509
00:44:34.039 --> 00:44:39.119
a little farther out and like than
this like huge like clearing, like a

510
00:44:39.199 --> 00:44:45.039
huge field, and like I look
over and I sees what seems like a

511
00:44:45.199 --> 00:44:50.840
guy, you know, he had
a jacket, just sort of walking like

512
00:44:50.920 --> 00:44:55.239
a lanky looking guy, just walking
through the field. And I in Alaska

513
00:44:55.400 --> 00:45:00.400
in general, like if you're out
in the bush at any point, there's

514
00:45:00.440 --> 00:45:02.679
a possibility you might run into a
trapper. Because like they did, they

515
00:45:02.719 --> 00:45:07.559
did to do like work the creek
systems, and like they'll go up along

516
00:45:07.559 --> 00:45:16.800
the mountains and like the backcountry.
We'll be back with more big Foot society

517
00:45:16.880 --> 00:45:25.440
after these words from our sponsors,
and like they'll they'll set some lines every

518
00:45:25.480 --> 00:45:30.280
now and then. Uh, And
so I assume that's what it was,

519
00:45:30.440 --> 00:45:36.039
just a just a trapper or some
guy hiking around. So this guy,

520
00:45:36.320 --> 00:45:42.280
he's he's walking like like he's really
just like swinging his arms like he's really

521
00:45:43.880 --> 00:45:46.280
tired. He looks a little slouchy. And then but I can't quite make

522
00:45:46.320 --> 00:45:52.960
it up because like the moisture off
of the grass and the sunlight was creating

523
00:45:52.960 --> 00:45:57.000
sort of like a mirage effect,
and so it was distorting what I was

524
00:45:57.079 --> 00:46:01.760
seeing, So I couldn't quite make
out a silhouette until he got really close

525
00:46:02.599 --> 00:46:06.400
and I realized it wasn't a guy, it was another one. It was

526
00:46:06.400 --> 00:46:13.719
another Sasquatch, and it's walking right
at me, and I'm like, he

527
00:46:13.840 --> 00:46:19.039
doesn't see me because I'm just just
out a line of sight behind this cluster

528
00:46:19.119 --> 00:46:22.679
of trees. I'm looking. It's
like if I try to go that way,

529
00:46:22.320 --> 00:46:25.880
he's gonna see me and he might
try to follow me home. And

530
00:46:25.920 --> 00:46:29.960
I didn't want that either, and
so I just sort of hung back.

531
00:46:31.239 --> 00:46:34.920
I waited, and I just had
to really think, and I looked around

532
00:46:35.039 --> 00:46:37.119
make sure nobody else and the others
were on me or something, or if

533
00:46:37.119 --> 00:46:39.719
I wasn't getting surrounded in any way, and it looked like it was just

534
00:46:40.400 --> 00:46:47.639
just a alone one just walking through. And I didn't want to, like

535
00:46:49.480 --> 00:46:52.360
me too aggressive or anything like that. I just realized, like I just

536
00:46:52.400 --> 00:46:57.559
have to be really calm and cool. It's like it's like, you know,

537
00:46:57.639 --> 00:47:00.320
you run into it like a bear, you go bear rules. Just

538
00:47:00.840 --> 00:47:04.920
be real, calm, ever real
like stern voice, and just look big.

539
00:47:05.519 --> 00:47:08.360
And that's all I could do because
all I had on me was like

540
00:47:08.480 --> 00:47:13.840
a little twenty two rifle. It
was a little one of Apache. I

541
00:47:13.840 --> 00:47:16.760
think it was a Remedy Team apatche, but I only had like three or

542
00:47:16.800 --> 00:47:23.719
four rounds left from like like missing
shots, and so I didn't. I

543
00:47:23.760 --> 00:47:27.159
had no way to defend myself.
Really, I was really flapping in the

544
00:47:27.199 --> 00:47:32.199
wind, and I'm just like sort
of make a decision to just just hang

545
00:47:32.320 --> 00:47:36.440
back a second and just see where
this thing goes, and I might not

546
00:47:36.559 --> 00:47:42.800
have to deal with it. And
I decided to. Like what my dad

547
00:47:42.800 --> 00:47:45.320
taught me was like when we were
attracting caribou, you can go up to

548
00:47:45.360 --> 00:47:52.320
the herd and if you just like
slowly squat down, they won't like see

549
00:47:52.320 --> 00:47:54.280
you right away and they'll think you're
part of the terrain. And so I

550
00:47:54.320 --> 00:48:01.960
did that, and because like they're
not pretty animal like he saw me.

551
00:48:02.039 --> 00:48:08.400
He saw me do this move and
then he immediately stops, looks and he

552
00:48:08.440 --> 00:48:13.079
just starts like makes a straight b
line straight for me, and he's running

553
00:48:13.280 --> 00:48:17.880
on like this. He's covering ground
like crazy, like like it looked like

554
00:48:17.920 --> 00:48:22.920
a football player like just rushing me. And then all of a sudden,

555
00:48:23.079 --> 00:48:30.280
it's it gives like a bound and
a bound and then it leaps. It

556
00:48:30.400 --> 00:48:36.199
did like a long dromp essentially,
but like farther than like you're like a

557
00:48:36.239 --> 00:48:37.960
normal long jomp. It was like
it must have been like twice twice the

558
00:48:37.960 --> 00:48:45.480
distance, but like it jumps,
it lands and immediately goes into like a

559
00:48:45.519 --> 00:48:51.760
spider crawl position, and it is
like puffing its its cheeks and just breathe

560
00:48:51.760 --> 00:48:55.039
in and like looking around and like
like what's going on? Like like like

561
00:48:57.079 --> 00:49:00.360
it was clear that I was not
supposed to be there, and it was

562
00:49:01.800 --> 00:49:06.039
it was trying to like size me
up and try to figure out what to

563
00:49:06.039 --> 00:49:08.719
do with me because I wasn't I
wasn't moving. I stood back up,

564
00:49:09.760 --> 00:49:14.039
let him see me, and it
was just like keeps looking at me.

565
00:49:14.760 --> 00:49:17.320
Then he looked at the trees behind
me, and then he's looking at me

566
00:49:17.519 --> 00:49:22.119
like he looks the trees behind me. I look over and I see as

567
00:49:22.119 --> 00:49:24.280
soon as I break eye contact with
him, he looks at me again and

568
00:49:24.360 --> 00:49:30.039
he starts with his long arms.
He starts to pull himself through. He

569
00:49:30.119 --> 00:49:34.320
starts moving. I was like,
no, don't do it, don't do

570
00:49:34.440 --> 00:49:37.280
it. And he looks again and
he like SLINKs in there. You can

571
00:49:37.320 --> 00:49:42.920
sear him just like crashing and I
could see his arms grabbing like branches as

572
00:49:42.960 --> 00:49:50.239
he's like pulling in like sort of
like swinging through and then like just crashing

573
00:49:50.239 --> 00:49:52.599
through the woods. And I was
like, all right, I'm going as

574
00:49:52.800 --> 00:49:57.719
I'm going, and I start walking. I don't I don't run, but

575
00:49:57.800 --> 00:50:07.280
I'm like walking briskly to the to
the other cluster of woods. And as

576
00:50:07.280 --> 00:50:13.119
soon as I get to the next
cluster woods, I start running. And

577
00:50:13.199 --> 00:50:16.159
so as soon as I get out
the clearing of this cluster of woods,

578
00:50:17.039 --> 00:50:21.679
he's already running up to the next
cluster woods in front of me. He's

579
00:50:21.719 --> 00:50:28.280
already ready to intercept me, like
he'd beat me to like the next field

580
00:50:28.320 --> 00:50:34.519
over. And it was just I
was thinking he was just still like messing

581
00:50:34.559 --> 00:50:37.360
around, about to come out of
the bush or out of those trees behind

582
00:50:37.400 --> 00:50:42.280
me, start chase me that way. But he didn't. He backtracked.

583
00:50:42.320 --> 00:50:45.880
He went all the way around and
like caught up with me, and he

584
00:50:45.960 --> 00:50:49.760
was ready. He was looking.
He yanked a tree, He yanked the

585
00:50:49.800 --> 00:50:52.800
tree cleaned down. He just broke
the branch right off. He's like rocking

586
00:50:52.960 --> 00:50:59.400
and he's just like trying to just
keep his I guess, keep his composure.

587
00:50:59.440 --> 00:51:05.239
But he's crocking and he's like getting
real huffy, and I'm just like

588
00:51:05.880 --> 00:51:09.119
walking again. I'm like looking at
him, making eye contact. He's looking

589
00:51:09.119 --> 00:51:13.960
at me, and then he looks
over again. And I see what he's

590
00:51:13.960 --> 00:51:17.119
gonna do. And like there's a
choke point where there's a cluster trees on

591
00:51:17.159 --> 00:51:22.239
the left and the one he was
at was on the right, and there

592
00:51:22.280 --> 00:51:27.800
was like this thin point where they
come together, as about fifteen feet separation

593
00:51:27.880 --> 00:51:30.000
between the two, and I had
to go through that, and so I

594
00:51:30.079 --> 00:51:34.480
start walking as fast, briskly,
as fast as I can, and he

595
00:51:35.320 --> 00:51:38.559
darts into the wood and they can
hear him just like crashing through and about

596
00:51:38.639 --> 00:51:45.880
midway he pops his head up and
it's and then he pops it back down,

597
00:51:47.239 --> 00:51:52.880
and I get through past the choke
point, and I can hear him

598
00:51:52.880 --> 00:51:57.280
crashing behind me, and I'm looking
over my shoulder at him to see what

599
00:51:57.360 --> 00:52:00.519
what's about to happen, and like
he gets within like ten feet of me,

600
00:52:00.719 --> 00:52:05.039
and he just stops. It goes
dead silent, just dead silent,

601
00:52:05.159 --> 00:52:08.800
and I'm like thinking I'm about to
die or get ripped apart or whatever,

602
00:52:09.119 --> 00:52:15.039
and like he was on me and
he just stopped, and I just kept

603
00:52:15.079 --> 00:52:17.719
walking and walking, and there was
another big cluster and all of a sudden,

604
00:52:17.760 --> 00:52:22.599
I hear him. They come out
and he's running to the next cluster

605
00:52:22.639 --> 00:52:27.039
of trees. But this one's much
bigger. And I get in there and

606
00:52:27.079 --> 00:52:34.239
it's like a longer stretch and there's
like a little like clearing inside that cluster

607
00:52:34.239 --> 00:52:37.119
of trees, and he's right there, right in the middle of it,

608
00:52:37.159 --> 00:52:43.639
and there's like trees like snapped over
and bent and like something he's been thrashing.

609
00:52:43.800 --> 00:52:46.039
Well obviously it's been thrashing around in
there, and that's that was his

610
00:52:46.159 --> 00:52:52.199
little spot. And I'm walking through
essentially his living room, and he's like

611
00:52:52.320 --> 00:52:57.960
hanging on there and like he's like
just chomping his teeth and like I can't

612
00:52:58.000 --> 00:53:00.159
see that's his top teeth, but
his bottom teeth we're sticking out a little

613
00:53:00.159 --> 00:53:04.719
bit. And he's just like looking
at me, and I'm trying to maintain

614
00:53:04.760 --> 00:53:07.960
eye contact with him and just to
be as assertive as possible. And it

615
00:53:08.159 --> 00:53:14.320
broke eye contact with me, and
it looked down and it's still like puffing

616
00:53:14.320 --> 00:53:17.960
itself up, but it's not making
like it's like retreating its eye contact with

617
00:53:17.960 --> 00:53:22.000
me. And like looking back,
I'm like, I shouldn't have been doing

618
00:53:22.039 --> 00:53:24.639
that. I shouldn't have been like
making like direct eye contact like that.

619
00:53:25.360 --> 00:53:32.679
But it happened to work in that
situation. But most primates. It's like

620
00:53:32.719 --> 00:53:40.119
a challenge, and usually that means
you're you're behind, you know, But

621
00:53:40.360 --> 00:53:45.400
as I as I passed through,
he's just sort of like rocking back and

622
00:53:45.440 --> 00:53:49.599
forth. And I passed through and
there's a clearing just the field and I

623
00:53:49.639 --> 00:53:54.119
can see the trail and I get
to the trail and I'm like about hyperventilate,

624
00:53:54.239 --> 00:53:58.679
and I'm like, but I have
to like run, It's time to

625
00:53:58.760 --> 00:54:01.000
run, and like I'm breathing.
I got my hands on my knees and

626
00:54:01.079 --> 00:54:06.800
I can im looking down and I'm
seeing like scattered bone piles of like like

627
00:54:07.079 --> 00:54:12.239
moose that had been like killed like
previous summers. Like there was a lot

628
00:54:12.280 --> 00:54:15.960
of bones, and I'm just standing
on top of this kill, these multiple

629
00:54:15.000 --> 00:54:17.679
kill piles, and I'm like,
I really have to get out of there.

630
00:54:17.679 --> 00:54:22.000
So I ran the hardest I ever
ran in my life down that trail

631
00:54:23.440 --> 00:54:30.960
and got through, and like never
mentioned it to anybody, and like,

632
00:54:30.719 --> 00:54:38.119
I don't know, it's just I
think I compartmentalized the whole situation because I

633
00:54:38.159 --> 00:54:44.400
remember going there, but I didn't
but it was always like broken up memories

634
00:54:44.880 --> 00:54:50.880
and I'd never really made the connection
of what had happened. I like I

635
00:54:50.920 --> 00:54:59.679
think I blacked it out and I
only remembered it until it well, like

636
00:54:59.679 --> 00:55:02.199
like last month when my wife had
was talking to me and we're driving the

637
00:55:02.239 --> 00:55:07.079
car and there was like the background
of the light and like something something about

638
00:55:07.079 --> 00:55:15.239
the situation just like like created a
snowball effect where I started to remembering stuff

639
00:55:15.239 --> 00:55:19.559
and then like all of a sudden, I'm like really like piecing things together

640
00:55:19.639 --> 00:55:27.039
and it just like all just like
like hit me. Like I experienced this

641
00:55:27.119 --> 00:55:32.000
part and like I had didn't have
any recollection up until just then of this

642
00:55:32.159 --> 00:55:37.199
part that that that happened, because
like I had remembered walking through the woods

643
00:55:37.239 --> 00:55:43.719
and like all this stuff. But
like the most intense part was like the

644
00:55:43.719 --> 00:55:49.159
the close up when when I was
in that clearing where he was like making

645
00:55:49.159 --> 00:55:52.840
eye contact with me. He couldn't
have been more than like twenty feet away,

646
00:55:53.039 --> 00:55:59.320
and like the light was like dappled, and but you know you could

647
00:55:59.320 --> 00:56:08.920
see like his his whole like the
fair pattern was crazy. He had like

648
00:56:08.920 --> 00:56:14.119
like a blonde patch on the front
side of his around like the brim of

649
00:56:14.159 --> 00:56:20.079
his face, his the skin on
his face was was was blotchy and like

650
00:56:20.119 --> 00:56:25.760
freckly kind of the hair was like
a like a rich red there the head

651
00:56:25.840 --> 00:56:30.639
came up to a point, you
know, the classic sasquatch look. But

652
00:56:30.760 --> 00:56:34.599
like a lot of what I've seen
in like a lot of the drawings,

653
00:56:34.599 --> 00:56:37.519
this guy didn't have. It was
more like lanky, uh, just so

654
00:56:37.719 --> 00:56:43.920
muscular, but like elongated muscles,
you know, like a like a like

655
00:56:43.960 --> 00:56:47.400
a like a long tube like there
you could see the muscles were there,

656
00:56:47.400 --> 00:56:53.840
but it was not like big bulge
muscles. They were just strong, long

657
00:56:54.000 --> 00:57:00.880
muscles. And like his reach was
crazy. That guy I believe he was

658
00:57:01.000 --> 00:57:13.159
probably like about nine or ten feet
tall. Uh. But the that that

659
00:57:13.280 --> 00:57:19.639
was, that was that was probably
the most intense moment, I mean of

660
00:57:19.719 --> 00:57:27.960
my life. But it uh,
it had left me with like I'd always

661
00:57:27.960 --> 00:57:31.800
often have like these these nightmares of
like big Foot coming to get me.

662
00:57:32.000 --> 00:57:39.880
I didn't understand why until it was
like I had like started piecing things together

663
00:57:40.079 --> 00:57:45.559
and it and it really is shocking, like how much my brain had like

664
00:57:45.719 --> 00:57:54.559
compartmentalized everything about it. And yeah, I don't know, it's just uh

665
00:57:59.519 --> 00:58:04.559
with the with a lot of this
stuff, it it always kept a leveling

666
00:58:04.679 --> 00:58:07.639
of anxiety. You know, every
time you go camping, anytime you go

667
00:58:07.639 --> 00:58:13.119
out there's always like they might they
might be out there and they might be

668
00:58:13.199 --> 00:58:16.599
just right next to you, you
know, and it's it's it's unsettling because

669
00:58:17.519 --> 00:58:22.920
it's if they if they wanted to, they like you couldn't. There's nothing

670
00:58:22.920 --> 00:58:34.440
you could do to like really stop
them. And uh, but like the

671
00:58:34.440 --> 00:58:37.840
the personality, it's like there was
a difference in personality I would say between

672
00:58:37.880 --> 00:58:45.400
the two, Like yeah, the
black the black skinned one, the black

673
00:58:45.440 --> 00:58:57.440
third one was very like very aloof, very shy. But this the red

674
00:58:57.440 --> 00:59:02.239
one with the blonde. Uh patches, he also had patches on his chest,

675
00:59:02.320 --> 00:59:07.719
but like the patchwork on on that
one was crazy. But like the

676
00:59:07.800 --> 00:59:17.519
personality is more more aggressive. We'll
be back with more bigfoot society after these

677
00:59:17.559 --> 00:59:24.280
words from our sponsors. Way more
aggressive. It maybe I just surprised him

678
00:59:24.320 --> 00:59:29.519
and that's why he was aggressive.
But like it just he was very much

679
00:59:29.559 --> 00:59:37.840
showing himself to me, and like
it it seemed like to to like polar

680
00:59:37.920 --> 00:59:42.760
opposites in terms of like personality.
Josh, thank you for I mean that

681
00:59:42.760 --> 00:59:51.519
that is probably the most intense encounter
I've I've heard, I would say across

682
00:59:51.559 --> 00:59:54.280
the board. I mean, first
off, thank you for being vulnerable enough

683
00:59:54.360 --> 01:00:01.079
to share that that that is extremely
extreme intense and no one would ever blame

684
01:00:01.119 --> 01:00:07.280
you for not going into the woods
or camping by yourself ever. Like that's

685
01:00:08.119 --> 01:00:12.960
hands down the best reason not to. I mean, I totally understand how

686
01:00:13.000 --> 01:00:16.079
you're camping in groups now, and
and it sounds like you're you're working through

687
01:00:16.119 --> 01:00:23.159
it, which is which is great. Yeah. Yeah, it's like I

688
01:00:23.519 --> 01:00:29.000
do have to like remember that,
like as much as like there's like an

689
01:00:29.000 --> 01:00:34.920
anxiety about like like not wanting to
do things, I have to do things

690
01:00:34.960 --> 01:00:38.320
for my daughter in order for her
to like really grow up and like be

691
01:00:38.559 --> 01:00:45.280
like like like a happy, healthy
person, you know, and like and

692
01:00:45.360 --> 01:00:49.559
sometimes you just got to invite the
big one and just like sort of deal

693
01:00:49.599 --> 01:00:57.000
with it and not sort of quit
that that that terror or that fear in

694
01:00:57.039 --> 01:01:00.639
her. But just like a health, a healthy respect is what that was

695
01:01:00.679 --> 01:01:06.800
what I'm trying to get for her. But like it's it's real hard to

696
01:01:06.920 --> 01:01:13.760
like just like keep it together when
you're like you know, it's like you're

697
01:01:13.800 --> 01:01:19.719
just you're exposed, you know,
absolutely when you're going through that that whole

698
01:01:19.760 --> 01:01:27.440
situation with the creature chasing you.
Thinking back to that time period, if

699
01:01:27.480 --> 01:01:34.760
you had to say, would you
say you were getting more human like characteristics

700
01:01:35.119 --> 01:01:42.559
or a plate characteristics or was it
something completely different than the two. I

701
01:01:42.559 --> 01:01:51.559
would say I've I've I've seen like
people exhibit those those those behaviors, but

702
01:01:51.800 --> 01:02:00.599
like in terms of like like a
connection, like we were both Like I

703
01:02:00.599 --> 01:02:02.639
would say, it's more on the
human side, Like it's just like the

704
01:02:02.679 --> 01:02:10.159
intelligence level was there, like the
spark was there, and like, but

705
01:02:10.239 --> 01:02:15.719
the way I look at it,
it's like we have all these modern conveniences.

706
01:02:15.719 --> 01:02:17.360
We can do a lot of things
because we have machines to help us

707
01:02:17.360 --> 01:02:22.960
do it, and with them,
it's like none of that. So you're

708
01:02:22.119 --> 01:02:25.920
you. You can run faster,
you can leap farther, you can move

709
01:02:27.039 --> 01:02:32.159
quicker, you can grab things quicker. You can get low, and you

710
01:02:32.199 --> 01:02:37.679
can crawl and you can climb,
and you can do all the things you

711
01:02:37.719 --> 01:02:44.079
need to survive and get up on
like whatever you're trying to get. But

712
01:02:44.239 --> 01:02:47.119
to do that in like a subarctic
environment where the winters are so harsh,

713
01:02:47.440 --> 01:02:52.360
like no clothes on, but like
it's crazy, but like if you look

714
01:02:52.360 --> 01:02:59.519
at the fur and all that stuff, it's just it's just they've adapted to

715
01:02:59.679 --> 01:03:06.440
just being outside but they're the the
feet and like the hands, everything is

716
01:03:06.519 --> 01:03:13.199
very human, but the proportions are
like like much tolerant. If I would

717
01:03:14.320 --> 01:03:21.760
I was like looking through like all
the hominid species and like the like I

718
01:03:21.800 --> 01:03:23.559
would say, like if I were
to guess, I would say, it's

719
01:03:23.559 --> 01:03:30.840
summer between like Homo habilists and Homo
erectus, but with like the height of

720
01:03:30.920 --> 01:03:37.599
like chromagnun so like you like ten
twelve feet tall, but like still very

721
01:03:38.119 --> 01:03:44.199
like the face was like the bone
structure and all that stuff, and like

722
01:03:44.199 --> 01:03:47.519
like it did have like like eight
features, but it was more human than

723
01:03:47.599 --> 01:03:52.960
eight. It's like just a little
human. It's like just our side of

724
01:03:55.199 --> 01:04:03.719
on the evolutionary tree. It's just
but massive, like tall, massive and

725
01:04:03.760 --> 01:04:10.840
incredibly powerful. But the but the
spark of intelligence, the fact that he

726
01:04:10.920 --> 01:04:15.480
intercepted me, he knew what I
was doing. And we're and caught up

727
01:04:15.480 --> 01:04:21.920
in this cat and mouse game of
like just observing each other and trying to

728
01:04:21.960 --> 01:04:27.079
maintain distance and all that stuff,
and we're engaging each other. You can't

729
01:04:27.079 --> 01:04:30.679
get that with like a bear or
anything like that or care but they're they'll

730
01:04:30.800 --> 01:04:35.880
run or they'll they'll charge you.
But this was totally different, Like he

731
01:04:35.960 --> 01:04:42.719
could charge me, but he didn't
because he wanted to observe me and we're

732
01:04:42.760 --> 01:04:51.079
both that this weird like standoff and
it was that. But just just knowing

733
01:04:51.159 --> 01:05:00.000
that like they're he was consciously letting
me slide, you know, like he

734
01:05:00.519 --> 01:05:04.400
could have he could have reached out
and just snatched me up in a second

735
01:05:05.360 --> 01:05:14.800
like it, but he didn't.
And so I think that that's that makes

736
01:05:14.800 --> 01:05:17.559
me feel better, like in some
ways that there's like a certain level of

737
01:05:17.599 --> 01:05:25.599
consciousness to where like they're not just
killing machines, like they're intelligent thinking creatures.

738
01:05:25.679 --> 01:05:32.920
Like it feels more like more like
a person than an animals, just

739
01:05:33.119 --> 01:05:41.639
like a superhuman. Yes, wow, I mean that that encounter alone,

740
01:05:41.880 --> 01:05:45.639
I think he'd be set for you
know, the rest of your life.

741
01:05:45.920 --> 01:05:51.519
I mean hopefully, I mean,
I hope that's the worst thing that you've

742
01:05:51.559 --> 01:05:59.559
ever gone through. That was that
had been extremely rough. Well, I

743
01:05:59.599 --> 01:06:06.840
mean I went out to out here
in Oregon the like after I did a

744
01:06:06.840 --> 01:06:11.039
little you know, you do do
your research. You start looking at things

745
01:06:11.039 --> 01:06:14.880
and start piecing things together, and
you start to realize like how much signs

746
01:06:14.880 --> 01:06:19.119
you were overlooking. And then once
you once once you start like once the

747
01:06:19.199 --> 01:06:24.440
veil is like like removed and you're
really looking and see what things for what

748
01:06:24.480 --> 01:06:36.760
they are. I was out in
sun River just previous weekend and I left

749
01:06:36.880 --> 01:06:40.920
my phone in the truck and it
was pitch black out there. There's not

750
01:06:41.079 --> 01:06:43.840
a lot of light out there.
It's like way out in the country.

751
01:06:43.840 --> 01:06:48.920
It's just south of Bend, kind
of high desert, real dry, and

752
01:06:49.440 --> 01:06:54.000
I figured I was like pretty safe
because it seems like they like to like

753
01:06:54.079 --> 01:06:59.079
hang out in like wet places and
the creeks and whatnot. But it just

754
01:07:00.719 --> 01:07:02.320
something about it, like that pitch
black. What I did was I just

755
01:07:02.360 --> 01:07:06.199
gave a little like whistle just to
see if anything would react, and I

756
01:07:06.199 --> 01:07:13.440
could hear it like something, and
something started moving right towards me at an

757
01:07:13.480 --> 01:07:19.639
angle from like one hundred yards out
like in the woods, stopping right before

758
01:07:19.679 --> 01:07:26.920
the road, and then like like
three or four steps, was like about

759
01:07:27.000 --> 01:07:31.440
thirty feet like just something huge.
It was like got to me. And

760
01:07:31.480 --> 01:07:36.559
then it was like starting to circle
around me. And I said, I'm

761
01:07:36.559 --> 01:07:43.159
not about to be like go fumbling
from my phone, and with the pitch

762
01:07:43.199 --> 01:07:45.320
black behind me, with a monster
in the darkness, I was like,

763
01:07:45.360 --> 01:07:50.519
all right, I'll get my phone
tomorrow and I shut the blinds because closed

764
01:07:50.599 --> 01:07:55.559
every single curtain in that cabin,
and like just like I said, nobody's

765
01:07:55.599 --> 01:08:00.559
going outside and be like why something
out there? And like you know,

766
01:08:00.639 --> 01:08:03.440
you don't, you can't. You
can't really just like break down and explain

767
01:08:03.480 --> 01:08:08.440
all this stuff to somebody that's has
never experienced it, right, And so

768
01:08:09.119 --> 01:08:17.520
but like after that, like during
that whole week, you know, like

769
01:08:17.920 --> 01:08:24.199
at one point we're coming home from
dinner and my daughter and my wife fort

770
01:08:24.279 --> 01:08:28.880
like adding and talking about whatever,
and like in the distance, I can

771
01:08:29.039 --> 01:08:35.560
I can hear something over by the
river just going m m mmm, like

772
01:08:35.640 --> 01:08:41.439
just giving like a like a gentle
like like who sound. And it wasn't

773
01:08:41.439 --> 01:08:45.520
like a bird. It was like
a primate, right, and but it

774
01:08:45.560 --> 01:08:49.720
was like a couple of miles down
the road, but like you could hear

775
01:08:49.760 --> 01:08:56.439
it, and like I'm it's like
you don't. I don't want to like

776
01:08:56.640 --> 01:09:00.000
just sort of spoil the fun to
say, hey daddy, here's some noises

777
01:09:00.039 --> 01:09:03.319
in the in the distance, like
everybody's having a good time. I'm not

778
01:09:03.359 --> 01:09:08.880
going about to spoil the party.
But like I went and checked out the

779
01:09:10.840 --> 01:09:15.760
I like to frequent the Bigfoot sightings
like blotter map. I have them on

780
01:09:15.880 --> 01:09:28.039
my it's an ArcGIS dot com.
Oh yeah, it's big bigfoot sightings in

781
01:09:28.079 --> 01:09:34.800
density of the US with bioms.
Let's let's see tell you about I'll send

782
01:09:34.840 --> 01:09:41.960
you the link. But I checked
the down here in Oregon. I checked

783
01:09:42.000 --> 01:09:51.279
the cabin and like not maybe like
about a mile a mile and a half

784
01:09:51.319 --> 01:09:58.640
two miles away, there was two
like reported sightings just just south of the

785
01:09:58.720 --> 01:10:01.520
cabin. So it wasn't just like
something in my head. I was just

786
01:10:01.600 --> 01:10:06.359
hearing things like stepping around and maybe
it's just me being paranoid because I saw

787
01:10:06.439 --> 01:10:15.439
so much, but it was like
close enough and in like there was like

788
01:10:15.479 --> 01:10:21.600
two sidings and they both are in
line and like with the cabin, so

789
01:10:21.840 --> 01:10:27.920
like I was clearly in the path
of whatever it would be coming through,

790
01:10:28.359 --> 01:10:31.479
and like so it confirmed to me
like it had to be that, like

791
01:10:31.520 --> 01:10:35.640
if I'm hearing the hoots and I
can hear it step and it's got massive,

792
01:10:38.199 --> 01:10:40.359
you know how you can, like
with cadence, you can like you

793
01:10:40.359 --> 01:10:43.640
don't have to see it, but
you can hear it and you can tell

794
01:10:44.319 --> 01:10:50.119
that it's like it's big and sort
of like I'm able to look not seeing

795
01:10:50.119 --> 01:10:57.119
it. I'm tracking it through the
darkness, right, But it like it

796
01:10:57.199 --> 01:11:01.720
confirmed to me, like yeah that
I was right. They're out there.

797
01:11:02.000 --> 01:11:10.560
It's okay, and like you know, nothing happened, but you know,

798
01:11:10.720 --> 01:11:17.079
it's it's just you realize, like
with all the I've been watching, I've

799
01:11:17.079 --> 01:11:20.720
been listening to your show for for
a bit, and it's like there's just

800
01:11:20.800 --> 01:11:27.000
so many sightings and they're all over
the place. And and I see these

801
01:11:27.000 --> 01:11:30.399
shows where they they they're they're going
deep, deep into the mountains and like

802
01:11:31.000 --> 01:11:36.279
getting reaction shots and like trying to
like hunt down this thing. And and

803
01:11:38.439 --> 01:11:42.199
I don't think they need to go
that far. Like a lot of people

804
01:11:42.199 --> 01:11:44.960
that find them are just like in
their local park, like just off the

805
01:11:45.000 --> 01:11:48.840
trail, you know, or like
some do some are way up in the

806
01:11:48.840 --> 01:11:56.000
mountains. But it's like it's wherever
there's water and wherever there's food, they're

807
01:11:56.000 --> 01:12:04.760
probably there. It's, uh,
you know, it's like it's out of

808
01:12:04.800 --> 01:12:09.159
your control, right, so you
can't you can't do anything about it,

809
01:12:10.239 --> 01:12:16.920
but like you know, live your
life. And so I've just been sort

810
01:12:16.920 --> 01:12:21.479
of like trying to use that to
the like cumfort myself. Really, I've

811
01:12:21.479 --> 01:12:27.199
been trying to to think in my
mind to how to categorize you, Josh,

812
01:12:27.960 --> 01:12:30.680
because it's it's very interesting because it's
almost like so I would say,

813
01:12:31.159 --> 01:12:34.760
it's like you're a hunter, but
you've had your eyes opened and you're very

814
01:12:34.800 --> 01:12:39.840
aware of what really is out in
the woods. I don't know is that

815
01:12:39.880 --> 01:12:43.880
would you agree with that? Or
do you have to be you kind of

816
01:12:43.880 --> 01:12:48.319
have to be a hunter. So
I was like sort of like so like

817
01:12:48.319 --> 01:12:56.279
like you can't just like go out
and looking for bigfoot because you're overlooking the

818
01:12:56.359 --> 01:13:00.640
science. Like you you gotta know
how to track it, like judge of

819
01:13:00.680 --> 01:13:02.439
the wind. You gotta know where
you're standing, like what's around you,

820
01:13:03.279 --> 01:13:08.600
and just that alone, like you
should be able to, like if you

821
01:13:08.640 --> 01:13:11.840
hear something outside the tent, you
should be able to identify what it sounds,

822
01:13:11.920 --> 01:13:16.640
like what it is and where it's
at and if you should be asleep

823
01:13:16.680 --> 01:13:21.039
or if you should be like pulling
the safety off and like wait for the

824
01:13:21.079 --> 01:13:29.840
big show. You know. But
it's yeah, I would say that that

825
01:13:29.840 --> 01:13:39.399
that's definitely like a good way to
categorize it. The the whole the whole

826
01:13:39.439 --> 01:13:45.760
thing is just like I when I
when I look because I grew up caribou

827
01:13:45.840 --> 01:13:48.760
hunting, we'd be glassing up on
kills out in the tundra, and like

828
01:13:50.279 --> 01:13:54.199
if I'm out hunting with other people
from say from the Lord forty eight,

829
01:13:55.039 --> 01:13:58.920
I'm I'm looking at deer that are
like five miles away up on a hill

830
01:13:59.159 --> 01:14:00.680
hilltop, and I'm able to see
him move around, and it's like there's

831
01:14:00.680 --> 01:14:04.119
a deer and they're like, what
are you talking about? And they have

832
01:14:04.199 --> 01:14:08.119
to pull up the glasses and see
it, and then it's like, yeah,

833
01:14:08.119 --> 01:14:14.000
he's right, caw. And like
when you're hunting for moose, they

834
01:14:14.079 --> 01:14:18.800
like to hide and like in the
thick cuts of like spruce, like black

835
01:14:18.840 --> 01:14:23.479
spruce, and like they blend in
really well. And so you have to

836
01:14:23.520 --> 01:14:27.479
like when you're driving down the road, you have to look for tracks along

837
01:14:27.520 --> 01:14:31.680
the road, but you also have
to look into into the woods and you're

838
01:14:31.680 --> 01:14:35.760
sort of like studying as you as
you cruise by. You got to look

839
01:14:35.800 --> 01:14:41.479
for anything that looks out of place, and like you're studying as you go,

840
01:14:41.640 --> 01:14:44.640
and then like after a while,
like you you do it instinctively,

841
01:14:44.680 --> 01:14:46.560
you don't. Like when I was
a kid, it was real hard.

842
01:14:46.600 --> 01:14:49.920
It's really taxing on the brain to
do all that stuff. But after a

843
01:14:49.920 --> 01:14:57.359
while it becomes second nature and then
you're just just seeing things. And and

844
01:14:57.439 --> 01:15:01.760
now I'm at this point, yeah, where like because I've been raised hunts,

845
01:15:02.520 --> 01:15:08.479
I'm able to notice more and a
lot of things are overlooked that are

846
01:15:08.520 --> 01:15:13.640
like just right under your nose.
Like you probably had ten encounters and you

847
01:15:13.640 --> 01:15:20.159
didn't even know it, you know, But yeah, it's fascinating to think

848
01:15:20.159 --> 01:15:24.159
about. I don't think you're too
far off. I mean, yeah,

849
01:15:24.199 --> 01:15:28.560
it's how many things are happening when
we're out in there woods. We're just

850
01:15:28.560 --> 01:15:31.720
not looking at the signs the right
way. Totally agree. Oh, one

851
01:15:32.119 --> 01:15:39.079
trick I've I've learned that really helps
is if you you go camping, just

852
01:15:41.800 --> 01:15:45.279
like if don't don't start a fire, just put your back against a tree

853
01:15:45.359 --> 01:15:50.199
and just sit there and just at
night and just let let everything sort of

854
01:15:51.359 --> 01:15:56.680
happen. And you're just quietly sitting
there and letting nature walk by, all

855
01:15:56.720 --> 01:15:59.840
the little creatures coming through, like
is it a field mouse or is it

856
01:15:59.880 --> 01:16:04.359
a damn trap? You know?
Uh, your brain switches on and you

857
01:16:04.840 --> 01:16:10.479
notice a whole lot more after you
do that. And I'm going to say

858
01:16:10.520 --> 01:16:12.840
the next time you do go go
camping, just do that, Just like

859
01:16:13.199 --> 01:16:17.119
sit in the darkness and like let
your night vision sort of take over and

860
01:16:17.239 --> 01:16:25.640
just sort of listen to the sounds
and don't talk. Just listen, listen

861
01:16:25.680 --> 01:16:30.399
and see smell, and your brain
switches on you and like after that,

862
01:16:30.520 --> 01:16:33.680
you can smell more, you can
see more. You just more aware.

863
01:16:35.880 --> 01:16:39.960
I think it would if you're if
you're in a city a lot, there's

864
01:16:40.000 --> 01:16:43.520
so much stimulation going on, your
brain just goes numb to everything, and

865
01:16:43.560 --> 01:16:48.279
so you gotta stop and unlike shut
down and just like sort of be present

866
01:16:48.399 --> 01:16:59.000
in what's happening right now. That's
that's fascinating to think about. I think

867
01:16:59.039 --> 01:17:04.760
I will be definitely taking taking that
advice. Josh. This has been a

868
01:17:05.039 --> 01:17:11.840
very interesting chat, and thank you
for being, you know, again vulnerable

869
01:17:11.920 --> 01:17:17.279
enough to share what's happened to you
over the years. It's incredible, incredible

870
01:17:17.319 --> 01:17:21.479
encounters. Man. Yeah, it's
like it's still you know, I'm still

871
01:17:21.520 --> 01:17:28.680
like piecing more together, but like
you know, at some point you just

872
01:17:28.720 --> 01:17:30.319
have to like move on and just
like let it happen. You know,

873
01:17:32.640 --> 01:17:36.880
like these things happened and it's okay. And if a lot of people they're

874
01:17:36.920 --> 01:17:42.800
they're skeptics, they're always going to
be skeptics. They're just those people you

875
01:17:42.960 --> 01:17:45.560
just like, they don't even spend
your wheels, Like, don't worry to

876
01:17:45.640 --> 01:17:47.439
waste your time on them. If
they're if they're here, they're listening,

877
01:17:47.479 --> 01:17:53.359
they've seen it. There's enough people
Eventually the skeptics will will change their tune

878
01:17:53.800 --> 01:18:00.920
once some some satisfying evidence is is
presented. But like there's just too much

879
01:18:00.960 --> 01:18:03.800
going on for people not to like
say, Okay, there's something going on,

880
01:18:03.920 --> 01:18:14.279
you know, hmm. Absolutely,
If anything does, I mean,

881
01:18:14.319 --> 01:18:19.119
if you're fortunate to have additional things
happen to you in the future, please,

882
01:18:19.239 --> 01:18:23.199
by all means reach out. I
would love to chat with you again.

883
01:18:23.319 --> 01:18:28.600
But it's been a really fun and
enlightening time talking to tonight. Josh.

884
01:18:29.560 --> 01:18:30.560
Oh yeah, I'm just glad you, you know, gave me the

885
01:18:30.560 --> 01:18:34.880
opportunity because like it's that's not men
just like spout off, you know.

886
01:18:39.199 --> 01:18:43.680
Yeah, thank you for hearing here. A big Foot Society article is to

887
01:18:43.760 --> 01:18:48.520
provide a platform for those that have
encountered Bigfoot to share their encounter in a

888
01:18:48.640 --> 01:18:54.399
safe and respected environment. But we
need to hear your story. If you've

889
01:18:54.439 --> 01:19:00.199
experienced something that you just can't explain. Please send me an email at Bigfoot

890
01:19:00.239 --> 01:19:04.720
Society at gmail dot com. Then
we can start the conversation. And I

891
01:19:04.760 --> 01:19:11.000
know a lot of you have not
shared your encounter at all. It's been

892
01:19:11.039 --> 01:19:15.399
twenty years and it's time that you
get this off your chest and then you

893
01:19:15.439 --> 01:19:18.720
can get some well deserved for rest, because I know you haven't been sleeping.

894
01:19:19.840 --> 01:19:24.439
I understand what you're going through,
and I appreciate every one of you listening