Sept. 14, 2025

The Sierras Hid Something Huge | California

The Sierras Hid Something Huge | California
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Season 1

What happens when a retired teacher and musician takes his son deep into the forests between Strawberry and Twain Harte — and ends up staring into the eyes of something unexplainable?

In this gripping episode, we sit down with Dave Osborne — a seasoned outdoorsman and Bigfoot researcher whose encounters span decades and states. Dave recounts an unforgettable face-to-face experience in the Stanislaus National Forest, where glowing almond-shaped eyes blinked at him from the darkness, followed by guttural breath sounds and unexplained vanishing.

You’ll hear about mysterious whistles, tree breaks, massive footprints, and unnerving electronic disturbances at Bolan Lake — a fog-covered spot that left Dave mentally drained and physically shaken. From glowing orbs in Oregon’s Owl Moon Wilderness to peanut butter and jelly gifts disappearing under a hovering light in Del Norte County, this is a journey across the supernatural frontier of Bigfoot activity.

Don’t miss this wild ride — and the warning Dave gives for anyone brave enough to try and meet the forest's most elusive guardian.

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You're listening to Big for Society, and I'm Jeremiah Byron.

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In this show, we go beyond the campfire stories to

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bring you first hand encounters from people who say they've

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seen something impossible. From backwoods trails and remote mountain haulers

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to quiet farms and crowded highways. The stories come from everywhere,

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and each one leaves us with more questions than answers.

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These are the voices of the people who've lived it.

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To settle in, because today you'll hear another account that

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just might change the way you see the woods forever.

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So stay with us, all right, Big for Society. You've

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got the privilege of talking to Dave Osborne today. Dave's

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an individual that I met out at Sasquatch Summerfest in Oakridge,

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Oregon this year, and I invited him onto the show

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today to share a little bit about his bigfoot experiences

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he's had over the years. But a little bit to

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know about Dave. He's a retired teacher and therapist. It's

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also a full time musician as well as a bigfoot

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paranormal and UFO enthusiast. So welcome to the show, Dave.

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How are you doing today?

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I'm doing really really good.

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How about you having a great day.

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It's always fun when I'm able to talk to someone

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about Bigfoot, which is what I do.

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Hear you and I love I hear you there.

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I love it.

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In the Midwest is starting to cool down a little bit,

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so can't complain there.

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But is your dog with you too?

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Oh?

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They're here at the house.

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Yeah, we're getting ready to pack go to my son, daughter,

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long grandkids for five days. He's I was a football coach,

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and the minister and the kids play soccer and it's

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a birthday, so we got a whole bunch of manly

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stuff kind of rolled together.

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Here.

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I'm taking a step out of my music studio for

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a few days, but I'll be bringing my car band mandolin,

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all my songwriting stuff with me to creative process moving along.

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Oh, I love it, I love it.

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I used to be this is a side for a minute,

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but I used to be big into mandolin music with

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really Nickel Creek back in the day that I played it.

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But I just loved listening to it. Was was it's

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it's good stuff. But yeah, Dave, I know a little

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bit about you, and I was able to hear enough

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to know that you have some really interesting things that

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you've gone through. And let's start with this. What was

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it that first got you into the big foot field

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to begin with? Was there a certain experience that kicked

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things off for you?

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Oh? Absolutely, it was when I was a little kid, uh,

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finding out about the Patterson Gimlin footage.

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I was just.

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Blown away a little kid here, a young young man.

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I wasn't even a teenager yet.

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Maybe it was a southern California and hearing about this

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big hairy thing. They're the interesting screws.

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It always kind of a boys.

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Had it in me. And then about when I was

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about well in my thirties, that's when I decided I

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got a get we're way down far away during California,

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But I started making trips up Uff Creek and snooping

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around and the people and way back when that's when

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Al Hodson still had a store and I'd come in

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and ask them questions. He kind of could take me

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off on the slide. We tell you what's going on.

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And then one times we kind of pushed me off

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on the sun. We went hiking back in the wilds

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together and let's spend some time hanging out there. Houpah

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on the reservation, and you know, this meeting, it was,

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like I said, I was just a kind of a

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wide eyed adult, just fascinated with the whole phenomenon itself,

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like why God could this really happen?

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about ten, that's when we got a trailer and I

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decided I wanted to get out with him to do

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more things, and so we started slowly going what I

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call I wrote a book it is called bigfoot Light,

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and it's kind of about our early adventures together, and

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I sold about our.

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Sighting when you had those trips you were taking a

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bluff Creek. Just for context, was what what approximate years

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would that have?

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Then? Let me think here, so you know, al Hawks

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still had a store though it was getting close he was.

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That was in my weird sense see to it would

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probably be in that Let's see, give me say, mare,

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I'm kind of doing the numbers in calibration here from

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my birthday. You're good, let's see. So I had to

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be about I'm guessing in the late eighties that is

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when I kind of started going up there because I

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know he still had a store. Okay, I bought some

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of those originals. I watched some of those original John

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Green books.

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Oh wow, yeah from Hodgen. That's that's awesome, My goodness. Yeah,

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that is cool because I've also interviewed an individual who

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was checking out the Bluff Creek area. His name was

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Rory Zorb but this would be in the nineties, so

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a little bit after you.

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You know what, he actually went out with Rory one

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no way, you know exactly what you're talking I know

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exactly what you're talking about.

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Back Al Hodgson.

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He passed on roy'sor's name to me and and he

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was way too what's the rugged for me? I mean

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he went out for like weeks at the time. Of

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course I was still working and I couldn't do that,

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but we did, I know at West spent one day together.

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So oh wow, coot.

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So Rory reached out to me and I was I

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was the first to be able to get his story

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recorded of what he went through. And he just he

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sounds like he's an incredible guy. He's driving his riding

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his motorbike throughout the hills and he's got this He's

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just a cool looking dude. So were there any interesting

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things that happened when you were able to go out

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with Rory that day?

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No, he had actually just come back maybe the same

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streen he had just come back from, but it just

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happened to him. That's why I guess he can't even

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talk to Toms.

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I remember he had some very close cougar calls. There's

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some cup up very close to him.

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Yeah, so then you were able to you got the

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trailer and you're able to start going out with your son, correct.

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Right, right, right, And we just I kind of just

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you know, back then I was pre Internet almost more correctly,

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and so most of the information was from books and

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word of mouth and stuff. So we started going to

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places where I'd read that there'd been some things that

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had happened, and we didn't really have anything happen on

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our own. And then one time we were supposed to

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go on a on actually on a week long thing

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up to Bluff Creek. It was a big place there

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was there was one of the original forms it was

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that came to be that was a big Foot forms

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called Bigfoot Forms. I think Brian Brown was the guy

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that started it, and it was the first time there

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was I hours every around people a collective group of

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people that were in the big Foot had information. So

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the position kind of came out of that. But like

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most big things, some people seem to want to organize.

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They'll start from want a part pretty quickly. But we

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so that did fall apart, and my son was just

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all pumped up to go out and look for big fits.

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So I was able to get connected with Bob and

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Kathy Strain you know who they are, Okay, yeah, they

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they said, well, why don't you go up to a.

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Just in fact, I probably should keep the name of

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the campground quiet. I could general area, but between Strawberry

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and and between Heart there's a campground off the road

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that goes up there, and suppose that there's been a

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lot of things that had happened there. So we're supposed

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to go there and meet another person I think it

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was Tom Yamarone, and he's going to beat us up there.

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And so there was but a few nights and then

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Bob mccanthy come up like the last night, went and

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call blasting stuff like that. So I shooling us in

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the first night by side and I got there. There

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was nobody in the campground it's just nobody was just

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and it's like ten miles off the mainland, and it

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was like this nobody went on, but there was like

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a coast car, but I didn'tee anybody there, like a

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host trailer. And then like late afternoon we'd set up

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and the late afternoons lady kind of came out of

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the trailer, hopped her car and left, and so there's

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the only people in the campground. And then later on

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that nice and it was like way back, like the

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road and all the camp sets was back like four

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of a mile we were, and later on like an

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RV came back in the evening work got.

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Dark, but basically it was it was just us where we.

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Were, and the RV was so far down and out

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of site. I couldn't see it. And it was kind of

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spooky that night. And the first night I was there,

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you're there. There was this interesting at the time, Like

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I said, I still I wanted to believe in victim,

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but I just wasn't sure at that time. There was

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kind of like a looking in the morning and her

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legs whistling along, and then it kind on both sides

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of the trailer. I thought, that's kind of weird, you know,

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it's swistling, and.

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Didn't think much about it.

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In the morning, we went out side and found and

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really big footprints right by trailer. And then on top

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of that we my sun found some footprints across the

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creek with for we were verified by everybody and the

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big footprints, and then that next day we went out

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driving around just looking for stuff. And I didn't even

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know what a tree brake was, and the only time

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I ever saw tree breaks around that area was just

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this one time.

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But there's these tree breaks.

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All aroun our camp ground, up and down the roads,

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and so we thought that might be more more signs

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that we were in the froximity of the guys. And

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then what the cap it was. And this is kind

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of where the story really began. The last night, we

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went to this little curve out in this mountain road.

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It's right, it's they've kind of cut it off, and

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it was not so much to it. There was a

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real big area just kind of pull out.

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With their cars and it stu there and it's called

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the Cleavee River Basin and basically there's it's a really steep,

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super steep like canyon that this the river is carved

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out over the years, and there's really not any easy

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ways in and out, but one of the egresses out

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of this area is right where the pullout is.

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So Kathy involvement is something to that.

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Last night and we did some tall blasting and we

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didn't hear anything, but as a night wore on, Cathy

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involved and everybody pointed out there was eye shining through

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the trees, and sure enough you could see his eye

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shine that was moving through and and here you're a

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little crack and trying of chunks in a while. So

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they were throwing spotlights on and we couldn't see anything,

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and so they pretty much was decided. Of course I

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didn't know as everybody else, so well, when it spot

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a lot of them like that easily takes off. So

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I thought, okay, well at least we had a little

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bit of excitement here, and so what I what happened?

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Everybody's sitting around and have a few beers and glass

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of wine on our little little little kind of circle

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of cars and kind of put for protection.

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But I saw I read somewhere in one of the books.

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Or my early Bigo books a lot of times. But

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we'll come and circle back around you come back from behind,

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you you know, you won't know it.

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And we were just about.

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Not even maybe forty yards from the road at the most,

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and the road kind of does a big curve right there.

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On the other side of the road is I got

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in embankment maybe about I'm looking at my roof here,

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probably about maybe twelve fifteen feet high. It's not real high.

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And I walked back. I thought, you know, I'm just

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going to go back behind to see because because the

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way they supposedly we lost them, the trees, they obviously

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as all coming up out of the basin there and

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we're trying to come up into the higher areas, so

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you know, they had to come out somewhere, maybe back

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over here. So I just walked that the road and

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it was this pitch black that night. I mean, there's

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no there's no moon or anything.

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And I look up and kind of to the right

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of the embankment.

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I mean, we're talking about the little if you command

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a two lane road, you know, I mean, how you

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know why the two lane road is? You know, it's

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not pretty wide. So I'm on one side of the road,

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and then they mightn't go straight up and I look

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up and I's two sets of eyes looking at me.

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And they weren't critterized, you know, they weren't circular, and

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they didn't glow. They were like I call all eatloga.

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It was like an almond shape eye. And I'm going

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and I and I kind of hit me. I thought,

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you know, I think this might be who I think

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it is. And and of course I've read in books

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that says, you know, when you go out and do

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that kind of stuff, if you take your eyes off them,

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they'll be gone. So I just basically just froze, and

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I thought, okay, I'm not going to I'm not going

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to do any I'm not going to move or do

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anything at all. And so I just stood there and

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I'll get to how long I was there in a

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few minutes, because I was I thought it was this

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sex was much longer. But anyway, I'm staring at these things.

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And then he could see the eyes kind of slowly

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blank off and on each one kind of you see

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the eyes kind of closed, it open, and then once

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actually happened twice, but the first time happened, I'll still

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by myself, and I heard the same kind of go

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kind of like the sound of like how horses and

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bulls will kind of blow air out of their mouth

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and kind of flapped their lips. You know, it was

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like it was really but they they they were up

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there to stand on their ground, and I was just

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looking at them standing my ground, and I didn't feel

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that just I was kind of like I suddenly when

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it did that, I was kind of trying to pay

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was looking. But after I did that, I thought, Okay,

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I know exactly based on earlier today until eventually my

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son runs up and dad dad, and the fact if

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you go on Spotify, my first album I went under

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David O Switched, but my first al was called Songs

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for Omah and it's all about it's all bigfoot songs

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that written such a way you would not it's about bigfoot.

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But anyway, the cover photo he's actually done by a

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really famous guy named Daniel Falconer, who is a good

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friend of Bob.

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Mccathy, who was out with us several times.

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And he basically does some artistic liberties, but basically the

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cover phone pretty much, you know, the cover of the

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album shows exactly what happened. And so anyway, so Jake

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comes back and they're there, you know still and and

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he's there with me and he kind of blows it

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couldn't make that same sound of mouth sound again.

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And people often one asked me what it felt like.

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I said, well they, I said anything.

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Maybe they I felt like, maybe they're a little bit

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irritated that I didn't see it as a thing.

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So he runs back.

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It's Bob and Kathy, everybody, and they come back. The

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weirdest thing was they threw spotlight song where they were.

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It's like they just vanished from the thin there they

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were this thing. And so the next day, you know,

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we went back, but we all had to go back home,

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and they did traces of where they might have come

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up out of the airy and we realized they came

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up out of the basin behind these trees far and

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up and down the road that we couldn't see them.

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Then walked up this embankment and can kind of see

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where they It was a lot of jurdy, It was

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like really sandy up there, so you really couldn't see

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the foot prints really well, but it was really clear that,

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you know, some big things kind of walk up there

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and were there. And so but anyway, I actually this

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book I wrote called Big foot Light, which is about

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my son and I going out yeah and doing stuff together.

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I've written that I thought maybe I was there maybe

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a minute or two before Jake came to look for me,

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and we were recently talking about it in his house

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and was nowadays. So the reason I was scared and

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him looking for you were there, like you were gone

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like ten or fifteen minutes after you left the campsite.

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So people talk about now losing track of time, you know,

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when you're on a big foot I mean I could

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have sworn as maybe a couple of minutes.

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It was like fifteen.

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It was really kind of trip and so that at

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that point in time, I kind of said, even though

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I've always did a kind of a big foot enthusiast,

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we got out enough times before that and myself over

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the years have never found anything.

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I was pretty much.

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Ready to call it, like, yeah, this is not really happened.

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So that was what really kind of turned the whole

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thing around from me one hundred and eight degrees maybe

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a full fledged believer an enthusiast.

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Wow, that is absolutely incredible and it's in a really

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interesting area. Something I am making sure the listeners know

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is that if you go to the podcast website, which

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is big for Society podcast dot com. There's a sighting

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map where I try to put general locations where episodes

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are referred to so you can follow along with it.

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Guys.

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And the area you're talking about right here is pretty

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much West Sierra's right.

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Oh that's your year. It's absolutely stand I think it's

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a stantuslaw.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, and it's kind of a I'll say that much.

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It's it.

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I've heard people at competes kind of whispering place, you know,

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you know, people kind of get together those conferences and

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if we want see anybody to hear their conversation out. Yeah,

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you know, it's really under the radar place. You should

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go to Stanislast National Forest. So yeah, the right about

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most of my major experiences have been there, I'll believe,

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or not, or in California, but yeah, I mean sometimes

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I've gone up to Oregon and Washington just still with

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people and I have a great time. But I found

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in that area has been where I've had most of

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my kind of heavy duty experiences. It's kind of like

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oh yeah, oh yeah, it's.

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De yeah, absolutely, because if you keep going up, you know,

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towards this year, as you've got. You know, we've heard

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from people around Sonora Pass also an individual the Marine

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Corps Mountain Warfare training centers up there too. And then

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you go south and that's the seventy National Park, and

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we've heard about right Buck Meadows and Mariposa area and

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that the whole area is just really, really wild. But

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did you ever go back to that area where you

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have that encounter happened?

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Oh, I'm going man in there many times. Yeah, I fact,

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I was just looking at one of my cats. You

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go back and look for I want to an interesting story.

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My friend, the guy I mentioned, the artist Daniel Falconer.

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He's from New Zealand. There's a lot of the artistry

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for the Hobbit series. He was up there a couple

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of years. And then we all got together and we

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went up to the same area to kind of stop.

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It was daytime.

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We did some called last year, and I thought it

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was one of them in the daytime to see what

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it looked like. And we stopped there and I kind of,

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I don't know, it's like I had a sixth sense

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about me about things sometimes, but I thought, you know,

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I want to walk down to where that thing crossed

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the road and came up on top of this little embankment.

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You know, were they actually just to them? I want

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to see if I see anything. I'm walking over and

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up on the embankment. I see this footprint with toes

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here is they got it seven twenty six eleven, So

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my sting was INN four So seven years later, seven

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twenty six footprint by embankment Western Series. So I went

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there and I saw that, and I thought, everybody's lately

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down one hundred yards so actually along the side of

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the road, I kind of put some rock markers so

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I didn't lose it. And I came back with Bob

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and Kathy and everybody said, you guys said I found something. Damn,

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I said, I want I want your pinto anything about

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And everybody walks down Kathy's, Bob's eyes get really big,

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Kathy goes way to go, dude, yeah, that's egested what

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you think it is. We found so and we kind

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of got track from that footprint there, and we could

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see where they had come up out of that the

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basin area and kind of cross on the road and

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you can see some real solid footprints and they weren't, like.

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I said, the ground.

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There's not like the classic place where you find a

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nice footprint and you know, and you could make a nice,

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perfect cast. They weren't, you know, in that kind of

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element that you could do a good good cat. We

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stole the casts anyway, So anyway, that kind of almost

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reaffirmed to me, you know, oh it did. My mind

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wasn't playing tricks with me, for it wasn't a figure

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to my imagination that when I saw what I was,

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when I saw if anybody wanted to question it, that's fine,

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they can go screw themselves, you know, because I always tell,

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always tell people have experiences, and I hear people kind

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of putting them down. They kind of back, I said,

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you know, I said, don't apologize your experiences. If you

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have that experience, it's the real experience. Don't let anybody

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take that from me, you know, I mean, you're an

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honest person like me, And why would why would I

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have any reason, you know, to make up you know,

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or fantasize and experience just to make myself feel better. No,

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I'm really the ultimate skeptic because, like I said, I

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as much I believe in UFOs, I've never seen anything

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that qualifies as a UFO in my opinion, but I

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would love to see one of it to this day,

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you know, would I see anything that's questionable? My scientific

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mind goes straight into the process like, okay, what could this?

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What could this be? You know? Not? What not? What

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is it that I wanted to be? So I stand

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belief for him on my experience as that I had,

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but I experienced that night is real and said subsequent

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things have kind of backed me upon. Over years too.

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We've done some really cool call blasting up there and

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got remember one the same lookout area when you're you're

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doing some call blasting there from that little point there

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colos that are the basin, and all of a sudden,

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to the left, way deep down the base, we heard this,

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Oh is that for call blasters? Oh? And then all

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of a sudden you hear this. You hear this tree

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not really loud, bam bam bam. It almost like maybe

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one hundred yards over here, a different one. Damn bam bam.

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You know, so I have I've just had a ton

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of experiences up there like kind of like that. You know,

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all right, you know this is exactly what we think

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it is.

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That's that's incredible and You're right, that is one of

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those areas.

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It doesn't really come up a lot recently, unless I

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might just not be talking to the right people, But

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there's definitely definitely activities going on in there. So you've done,

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I guess, going out into the field in different parts

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in California. How you checked out other states as well

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over the years?

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No, you know, I met through a beach foot. Are

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you fromos the beachfoode? So sure?

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Yeah?

466
00:22:20.160 --> 00:22:23.039
Okay, Well I got invited to beach Foot about eleven

467
00:22:23.119 --> 00:22:26.079
years ago and that really opened up the floodgates for

468
00:22:26.200 --> 00:22:27.160
meeting a lot of people.

469
00:22:27.279 --> 00:22:28.119
So I started.

470
00:22:28.960 --> 00:22:33.559
I did some work with Dan linn Holm, who's pretty

471
00:22:33.559 --> 00:22:37.079
well known up in his target area.

472
00:22:38.039 --> 00:22:39.640
Darryl Adams, who's very well known.

473
00:22:39.680 --> 00:22:41.880
He and I just were like totally different people, but

474
00:22:41.960 --> 00:22:45.000
we just hit it off because our perspectives on bigfoot

475
00:22:45.000 --> 00:22:48.079
in the Paramid. We're just so lighted up with each other.

476
00:22:48.160 --> 00:22:50.480
But so I did a lot. He had, he and

477
00:22:50.960 --> 00:22:55.440
Toby Johnson. They I never I never met Toby told

478
00:22:55.440 --> 00:22:57.519
this summer at that the Bigfoot thing.

479
00:22:58.079 --> 00:22:59.000
Darrel always talked.

480
00:22:58.799 --> 00:23:00.400
About Toby and what he is, know him, but I

481
00:23:00.519 --> 00:23:06.039
never ever had the experience of meeting him. So but anyway,

482
00:23:06.039 --> 00:23:08.160
he had the al Moon Project, I think it was called,

483
00:23:08.200 --> 00:23:11.519
and so so I did lots of stuff about Darryl's

484
00:23:11.519 --> 00:23:13.839
old house right there. It's just outside of the Eugenie, Oregon.

485
00:23:13.880 --> 00:23:18.079
But this is the funkiest little area. I mean, the

486
00:23:18.079 --> 00:23:20.440
first time I ever saw what I knew for sure

487
00:23:20.440 --> 00:23:21.680
where Orbs was there.

488
00:23:23.559 --> 00:23:26.400
He's the veryl I.

489
00:23:25.599 --> 00:23:28.039
Had had an area where he was gifting and feeding

490
00:23:28.079 --> 00:23:30.839
them and and just a lot of just a lot

491
00:23:30.880 --> 00:23:32.480
of stuff like that, you know, if they're in the

492
00:23:32.480 --> 00:23:34.920
Oregon and the Eugene area. That was really pretty cool.

493
00:23:35.759 --> 00:23:40.519
Okay, Well, like I said, just been up to Washington.

494
00:23:40.599 --> 00:23:43.559
I think I was up there with oh, what's the

495
00:23:43.640 --> 00:23:47.680
kind he's retired Vet Kevin Llewell.

496
00:23:48.880 --> 00:23:49.880
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

497
00:23:49.920 --> 00:23:51.759
We went up to that lake.

498
00:23:51.799 --> 00:23:57.559
Everybody goes to up there. That always yields results, zeer results.

499
00:23:57.519 --> 00:24:01.480
Something like what's in my main area focuses in California,

500
00:24:01.559 --> 00:24:03.880
Oregon and Washington. But I feel like overall my best

501
00:24:03.920 --> 00:24:05.880
resultfully we're not have been in California.

502
00:24:07.039 --> 00:24:10.720
So when you went and you got to hang out

503
00:24:10.720 --> 00:24:12.960
with Darryl Adams, are you talking about like the Owl

504
00:24:13.079 --> 00:24:15.680
Moon Wilderness area around Cottage Grove.

505
00:24:16.200 --> 00:24:17.279
Yeah, okay, exactly.

506
00:24:17.359 --> 00:24:18.920
Yeah, well I said, I said to Eugene, I'm sorry,

507
00:24:19.000 --> 00:24:21.759
kayege true, you're good. Yeah, I was like said, exactly,

508
00:24:21.759 --> 00:24:22.359
it's kind of true.

509
00:24:22.480 --> 00:24:22.920
Yeah I was.

510
00:24:23.799 --> 00:24:25.480
I was up there, I think two different times, and

511
00:24:26.240 --> 00:24:28.960
I just pull my camp up his house and we

512
00:24:29.039 --> 00:24:30.599
do stuff in the daytime and stuff at night.

513
00:24:31.160 --> 00:24:32.319
Yeah, it's a fascinating.

514
00:24:32.400 --> 00:24:35.680
That makes this probably the spookiest place I've ever been

515
00:24:35.720 --> 00:24:39.000
to in my life. It's it was just an amazing place.

516
00:24:39.039 --> 00:24:39.759
You just went to creep.

517
00:24:39.960 --> 00:24:41.480
But anyway, yeah, I get back. I ad the first

518
00:24:41.480 --> 00:24:42.039
time my life I.

519
00:24:42.000 --> 00:24:45.480
Ever saw what I considered it. Those little lights are

520
00:24:45.480 --> 00:24:49.160
popping in and out the orbs. Yeah, some saw orbs

521
00:24:51.799 --> 00:24:53.599
and I'm kind of baking my eyes, and I goes

522
00:24:53.640 --> 00:24:55.400
that what I think they are? He goes yeah, and

523
00:24:55.440 --> 00:24:56.799
like it was just we're just seeing you try to

524
00:24:56.799 --> 00:24:57.960
get close to him, they kind of move.

525
00:24:58.319 --> 00:25:02.519
It was just, yeah, he had.

526
00:25:02.400 --> 00:25:04.359
All sorts of stuff happen up there. I'm going to

527
00:25:04.400 --> 00:25:10.759
get to the book. Yeah, you're guarantee some strange is

528
00:25:10.799 --> 00:25:12.400
when I happened there.

529
00:25:12.880 --> 00:25:15.359
Oh, one hundred percent. I mean I've talked to Darryl.

530
00:25:15.480 --> 00:25:18.640
I've also talked to an individual that was in the

531
00:25:18.759 --> 00:25:21.960
same area in the nineties, and the cool thing is

532
00:25:22.000 --> 00:25:25.039
that he could he was saying the same thing. I mean,

533
00:25:25.119 --> 00:25:28.640
they both had accounts of seeing something that looked like

534
00:25:28.720 --> 00:25:30.480
an alien in those woods.

535
00:25:31.119 --> 00:25:35.559
Besides yeah for that one, yea, all I said, flying saucers,

536
00:25:35.640 --> 00:25:39.640
bigfoot over I mean, last time was there, we thought

537
00:25:39.680 --> 00:25:42.200
we heard this barking and growling. It was pretty close.

538
00:25:42.839 --> 00:25:44.839
Darrel was pretty convinced it was a dog man, but

539
00:25:44.960 --> 00:25:47.640
you know, but we've swooped us out, you like. And

540
00:25:47.720 --> 00:25:49.440
then we were driving back that same night, all of

541
00:25:49.480 --> 00:25:52.119
a sudden, there's big light appeared above us, and the

542
00:25:52.240 --> 00:25:57.160
trees followed us for a while. It's you can make

543
00:25:57.240 --> 00:26:00.519
up a better better kind of scary, horrible. Really, it's

544
00:26:00.680 --> 00:26:03.640
the stuff that happens up there. It's it's mind blowing.

545
00:26:04.720 --> 00:26:08.519
It's it's a very very weird area. I've never gone

546
00:26:08.799 --> 00:26:10.960
to it myself. I'm not sure if I would ever

547
00:26:11.119 --> 00:26:14.000
want to, just because of some stories I've heard. It

548
00:26:14.079 --> 00:26:17.799
can it can really, things can latch onto you. I'll

549
00:26:17.839 --> 00:26:21.799
say that from what I've heard. But when you went

550
00:26:21.880 --> 00:26:25.440
up to Bumping Lake with Kevin, did you have anything

551
00:26:25.799 --> 00:26:28.400
happen up there or see anything out of the ordinary.

552
00:26:30.319 --> 00:26:34.000
It was the most disappointed trip I've ever gone on

553
00:26:34.119 --> 00:26:35.680
it in hopes of what could be.

554
00:26:37.559 --> 00:26:38.160
That's funny.

555
00:26:38.440 --> 00:26:42.720
It is definitely an area where a lot of people

556
00:26:42.839 --> 00:26:45.759
know about it, and I've heard people that go there

557
00:26:45.960 --> 00:26:48.960
they don't have anything happen, and I've heard audio come

558
00:26:49.000 --> 00:26:52.920
out of it. I've seen tracks. Gentlemen showed me some

559
00:26:53.200 --> 00:26:55.000
some tracks. I'm not going to mention his name because

560
00:26:55.000 --> 00:26:57.440
I don't think he wants it mentioned, but I mean

561
00:26:57.559 --> 00:27:03.640
they had they had ridges on them, which was super intense.

562
00:27:04.640 --> 00:27:07.480
So definitely an active area. But I think it's it's

563
00:27:07.519 --> 00:27:10.079
all about you know when you go there, of course,

564
00:27:10.160 --> 00:27:13.559
and who knows. But do you have any Dave, do

565
00:27:13.640 --> 00:27:19.160
you have any ideas about, you know, in any theories

566
00:27:19.240 --> 00:27:21.160
about what it is that we might be dealing with

567
00:27:21.319 --> 00:27:23.079
when we're talking about Bigfoot.

568
00:27:24.319 --> 00:27:26.519
Well, since I kind of came up under Bob and

569
00:27:26.799 --> 00:27:30.759
Kathy's tutelage, they were very much flesh and blood. But

570
00:27:31.680 --> 00:27:35.160
along the way, I had some experiences that totally changed

571
00:27:35.240 --> 00:27:38.319
my mind about that, and I would say definitely I'm

572
00:27:38.359 --> 00:27:41.279
more on the guess he's called the lou factor. Now

573
00:27:41.440 --> 00:27:46.079
for my expensive to kind of go beyond an easily

574
00:27:47.319 --> 00:27:49.960
like to me that to say, oh, it's just another

575
00:27:50.880 --> 00:27:54.119
you know, manimal large ape. I think that's to me

576
00:27:54.279 --> 00:27:56.240
that one doesn't work for me anymore. Maybe it works

577
00:27:56.240 --> 00:27:56.799
for some people.

578
00:27:56.880 --> 00:27:59.200
But from these from my experiences.

579
00:28:00.079 --> 00:28:03.759
In fact, actually at the time that the thing that

580
00:28:03.920 --> 00:28:07.599
happened to me actually is way just inside of Oregon.

581
00:28:08.440 --> 00:28:09.599
Ever heard of Bowling Lake?

582
00:28:10.400 --> 00:28:10.440
No?

583
00:28:10.759 --> 00:28:14.559
Actually do you say Bowling Yeah, b o l A.

584
00:28:14.720 --> 00:28:20.759
And Bolan Lake. It's this experiences and this is what

585
00:28:20.920 --> 00:28:22.319
really changed me, this experience.

586
00:28:23.160 --> 00:28:26.559
I was still working as a teacher and Beachwood was

587
00:28:26.599 --> 00:28:28.920
like middle of June, so I only had a few

588
00:28:28.960 --> 00:28:30.319
weeks to get ready to go on the trip. And

589
00:28:30.440 --> 00:28:34.319
so that's on sidey, you know, summer's here, let's get gone.

590
00:28:35.160 --> 00:28:37.759
So I have my two dogs who both pass now

591
00:28:37.880 --> 00:28:39.839
Jet and Windy. I'm a big I'm a labby guy.

592
00:28:39.880 --> 00:28:42.559
So I'm listening more here right now. But we hopped

593
00:28:42.559 --> 00:28:44.559
in at Camper. We're going up to beach Foot and

594
00:28:44.680 --> 00:28:48.960
so I talked to Cliff Rap one time about any

595
00:28:49.039 --> 00:28:51.720
good places to go, you know, for a big fight.

596
00:28:51.799 --> 00:28:54.440
He goes Bowling Lake. So I did my research. Let

597
00:28:54.519 --> 00:28:56.400
me tell you it's a it's a pilgrimage to get

598
00:28:56.440 --> 00:28:58.960
to that place. Like most good big fires, just off

599
00:28:59.000 --> 00:29:00.000
the side of the road somewhere.

600
00:29:01.200 --> 00:29:02.880
So I drove up there, and I was excited.

601
00:29:02.880 --> 00:29:05.240
I want to spend tell two or three nights up there.

602
00:29:05.240 --> 00:29:07.200
I can't remember, just me and the dogs. And once again,

603
00:29:07.319 --> 00:29:10.279
it was nobody there, not a host, nobody the whole time,

604
00:29:11.359 --> 00:29:13.640
and we had no sooner gotten in there, and the

605
00:29:13.720 --> 00:29:14.640
fog just came in.

606
00:29:14.720 --> 00:29:16.759
It was like a high level fog up the mountains

607
00:29:17.759 --> 00:29:18.680
the whole time we were there.

608
00:29:18.799 --> 00:29:21.599
That fog just stayed there. And during that period of time.

609
00:29:22.240 --> 00:29:25.240
I had some of the strangest stuff. First of all,

610
00:29:25.319 --> 00:29:27.839
I was just I'm a happy person, you know, positive

611
00:29:27.839 --> 00:29:31.359
All the time, I got severely depressed. I could barely

612
00:29:31.400 --> 00:29:34.279
even eat my food or prepare my food. We were

613
00:29:34.359 --> 00:29:36.039
just kind of fogged in all day because I mean,

614
00:29:36.039 --> 00:29:38.039
you couldn't even see even in the daytime, you couldn't

615
00:29:38.039 --> 00:29:40.039
see more ten feet in front of yourself. So I

616
00:29:40.160 --> 00:29:43.640
let the dogs out occasionally. I can't remember the first

617
00:29:43.680 --> 00:29:44.680
or second not I was there.

618
00:29:45.720 --> 00:29:46.400
I woke up to this.

619
00:29:46.960 --> 00:29:49.319
I never have nightmares or dreams. I can woke up

620
00:29:49.319 --> 00:29:52.599
this terrible nightmares, like out of the Mad Max movie

621
00:29:52.680 --> 00:29:54.720
up night campers surrounded all these kind of weird guys

622
00:29:54.759 --> 00:29:56.799
that look out of a Mad Max movie, And all

623
00:29:56.799 --> 00:30:00.000
of a sudden, my camper started shaking, and I'm awakening up,

624
00:30:00.079 --> 00:30:02.960
going discussing. I had my gun, my dog just kind

625
00:30:02.960 --> 00:30:07.039
of looking at me, and oh, I'd be I really felt,

626
00:30:07.079 --> 00:30:08.240
you know, I just wanted to come out of a

627
00:30:08.319 --> 00:30:11.519
dream into waking up. If there's something going on, it

628
00:30:11.680 --> 00:30:13.240
kind of rates into your dream.

629
00:30:13.359 --> 00:30:14.640
That's kind of how it was.

630
00:30:14.839 --> 00:30:16.799
Like I was kind of being woken up by the

631
00:30:16.880 --> 00:30:19.680
camp or being shaken, so I woke up and stopped.

632
00:30:20.519 --> 00:30:23.720
It was really spooky. And but anyways, make a long

633
00:30:23.799 --> 00:30:24.319
story short.

634
00:30:24.480 --> 00:30:26.119
You know, we'd get out once in a while during

635
00:30:26.160 --> 00:30:26.599
the day.

636
00:30:26.880 --> 00:30:28.200
Just to take a pee or whatever.

637
00:30:28.960 --> 00:30:31.880
And then I think it was because I have my

638
00:30:32.039 --> 00:30:34.240
notes down, but it spent so long now, But it

639
00:30:34.359 --> 00:30:36.160
was either that before that night or the night after

640
00:30:36.640 --> 00:30:38.200
I went outside to take a pee. You though, I

641
00:30:38.200 --> 00:30:39.960
could it in the camp. I just going outside check

642
00:30:40.000 --> 00:30:44.000
things that once again, peace suit fog, and all of

643
00:30:44.039 --> 00:30:45.279
a sudden, I kind of have my head lap on

644
00:30:45.480 --> 00:30:47.519
kind of scanning around, and it looks like I see

645
00:30:47.599 --> 00:30:50.000
this eye kind of looking at me through the trees.

646
00:30:50.480 --> 00:30:52.480
The trees were there, not too far away, really close,

647
00:30:53.000 --> 00:30:54.880
and thinking, okay, maybe, but if somebody put a bottle

648
00:30:54.920 --> 00:30:56.519
cap in the tree, I'm just gonna swim my eye

649
00:30:57.279 --> 00:30:59.799
light around like I didn't even see it and swing.

650
00:31:00.319 --> 00:31:02.000
I swung back and it was gone. So I think

651
00:31:02.079 --> 00:31:05.519
something was looking at me so far. The third day,

652
00:31:05.519 --> 00:31:06.720
where they were getting ready to leave to go to

653
00:31:06.799 --> 00:31:09.400
beach Foot, and I take my dogs down the road

654
00:31:09.599 --> 00:31:12.079
just there's like an old, old deserted logging road there

655
00:31:12.079 --> 00:31:14.759
all like about the only other way you can walk

656
00:31:14.799 --> 00:31:19.079
around do anything there. And my older dogs get really excited,

657
00:31:19.160 --> 00:31:20.720
like she's picking them on some s. She want to

658
00:31:20.759 --> 00:31:24.240
cop this, this, this, this embankment. And I look, here's

659
00:31:24.279 --> 00:31:27.200
the weirdest thing. I have my camera right around my

660
00:31:27.279 --> 00:31:30.519
net taking any good pictures. And also in the embankment

661
00:31:30.599 --> 00:31:34.400
there's this perfect little baby, big foot footprint. It was

662
00:31:34.440 --> 00:31:39.799
probably about maybe I looking, I'm measuring myself maybe six

663
00:31:40.319 --> 00:31:42.400
six inches maybe maybe a little bit big, but it

664
00:31:42.519 --> 00:31:45.480
was obviously babies. It's almost like it was purposely put

665
00:31:45.519 --> 00:31:47.920
there for me to see. And I started to taking

666
00:31:47.960 --> 00:31:50.480
my camera out and I wasn't take a picture of that,

667
00:31:50.880 --> 00:31:52.920
and my brain I said, it was almost like something

668
00:31:53.000 --> 00:31:54.599
was taking on my brain and says, oh, nobody's gonna

669
00:31:54.599 --> 00:31:56.160
believe you did. Don't even bother with it. So I

670
00:31:56.200 --> 00:31:59.519
didn't take a picture. So that was the here at

671
00:31:59.559 --> 00:32:02.839
beach Foot, all the heavy duty people there. Everybody's been

672
00:32:02.880 --> 00:32:04.359
on TV was here. It was like a Who's suit.

673
00:32:05.160 --> 00:32:09.279
I was camped between Peter and doctor Bender Neil. They're

674
00:32:09.359 --> 00:32:12.400
my neighbors. I mean, how what kind of guys first

675
00:32:12.480 --> 00:32:14.359
year at Beachwood asked for anything better than that, you know?

676
00:32:14.440 --> 00:32:16.920
And then Cliff was there, but was there? All these

677
00:32:16.960 --> 00:32:19.640
people were there. I was camped out to these other

678
00:32:19.680 --> 00:32:21.680
guys as he's passed away since second I think the

679
00:32:21.720 --> 00:32:26.000
guy's name. He was an Oregon guy tripped and fell

680
00:32:26.079 --> 00:32:30.759
on his ports and hit his head and died. Steve Lindsay, Yeah,

681
00:32:30.920 --> 00:32:34.559
Steve Lindsay or Lindy Yeah. And I was telling my

682
00:32:34.640 --> 00:32:37.599
story just I would tell you how this dude you

683
00:32:37.720 --> 00:32:38.279
got Zapp?

684
00:32:38.400 --> 00:32:40.400
I go, what he does? You got Zap?

685
00:32:40.480 --> 00:32:42.519
And he explained, you know, what being zapp was, And

686
00:32:42.640 --> 00:32:45.359
that really kind of fit the format for what happened,

687
00:32:45.359 --> 00:32:46.640
you know, I mean, I get up there, I'm in.

688
00:32:46.640 --> 00:32:49.559
A good mood, and and for three days.

689
00:32:49.640 --> 00:32:51.519
You know, the weather's terrible and I'm not say the

690
00:32:51.559 --> 00:32:54.119
big Foot. It's a fog, but you know, it's an

691
00:32:54.160 --> 00:32:56.720
interesting coincidence. But yeah, I just couldn't eat. I had

692
00:32:56.759 --> 00:32:59.440
no energy, and as soon as I left the area,

693
00:33:00.079 --> 00:33:02.160
I mean within five ten miles on the road, I

694
00:33:02.319 --> 00:33:04.680
was myself again. So over the years I kind of

695
00:33:04.720 --> 00:33:08.160
put together what my concept is of what happened. I

696
00:33:08.240 --> 00:33:10.920
think we were up there, and I think there was

697
00:33:10.960 --> 00:33:13.119
a big Foot family and they just had a baby,

698
00:33:13.720 --> 00:33:16.119
little one. I think they're being very protective of the area.

699
00:33:16.240 --> 00:33:19.240
They didn't want me in there, and I think on

700
00:33:19.319 --> 00:33:21.440
the way out, this is because this maybe is farfetch

701
00:33:21.480 --> 00:33:24.359
went the way out. You know, they we knew where

702
00:33:24.359 --> 00:33:27.359
I was going to be, and they purposely a little

703
00:33:27.400 --> 00:33:30.160
bit b footprint there to kind of show me why

704
00:33:30.200 --> 00:33:32.279
they're doing what they're doing. And that's the only thing

705
00:33:32.319 --> 00:33:35.200
I could come up with, you know, that's the experience

706
00:33:35.279 --> 00:33:38.119
that brought me into the loop. And it took me

707
00:33:38.119 --> 00:33:42.400
a while to kind of process everything. And I mean,

708
00:33:42.440 --> 00:33:45.079
to me, that was the only logical explanation that I

709
00:33:45.160 --> 00:33:47.039
could come up with, you know, be honest with you,

710
00:33:47.640 --> 00:33:49.960
what happened, and one that made sense to me in

711
00:33:50.039 --> 00:33:52.680
some shape or form, and it's just saying, you know,

712
00:33:52.759 --> 00:33:55.559
I've had even more experiences to just kind of validate

713
00:33:56.279 --> 00:33:58.680
that perspective for me that that's the one that seemed

714
00:33:58.720 --> 00:33:59.000
to work.

715
00:33:59.519 --> 00:34:00.279
Talk about Turm.

716
00:34:00.519 --> 00:34:01.119
I do want to.

717
00:34:02.640 --> 00:34:07.440
Just clarify something in case people are curious. Yeah, the

718
00:34:07.880 --> 00:34:10.519
gentleman you're referring to, I believe his name is Steve

719
00:34:10.599 --> 00:34:14.079
Lindsay and he was one of the gentlemen from the

720
00:34:14.159 --> 00:34:19.800
Oregon Big for Highway Book of that the group, right, yeah, individuals, yeah.

721
00:34:19.679 --> 00:34:21.679
Right, yeah, yeah. Joe gives him a shout out of there.

722
00:34:21.719 --> 00:34:25.159
I was going up to the camping area that I

723
00:34:25.239 --> 00:34:26.840
camped up in the Western Siers, and I went to

724
00:34:26.920 --> 00:34:29.039
this I guess I can tell you the name of

725
00:34:29.079 --> 00:34:32.679
this place is called Bell Meadows, and then we've done

726
00:34:32.719 --> 00:34:35.000
some we did some camping there and looking around there too,

727
00:34:35.119 --> 00:34:37.760
and that's supposedly where Jeremiah Johnson's spent a summer and

728
00:34:38.360 --> 00:34:41.920
supposedly lots of weird things go on there too. And

729
00:34:43.400 --> 00:34:45.800
so the night I was going to try to get

730
00:34:45.800 --> 00:34:48.039
into Bell Meadows, but driving that day, I wasn't going

731
00:34:48.079 --> 00:34:49.639
to get far, and so I stayed at a campground

732
00:34:49.679 --> 00:34:51.840
up in a little town called me What, which is

733
00:34:51.920 --> 00:34:55.719
named after the tribe of the tribe. And once again,

734
00:34:55.800 --> 00:34:57.360
you know, I don't have I have dreams, but I

735
00:34:57.440 --> 00:35:01.239
have certain dreams that I recognized are very strong dreams.

736
00:35:01.280 --> 00:35:03.480
They come from a different place in your normal dream.

737
00:35:04.400 --> 00:35:07.199
And then I was getting ready to go up and

738
00:35:07.519 --> 00:35:10.079
spend two a few nights up in Belle Meadow. I

739
00:35:10.199 --> 00:35:13.880
had this dream in this this native of this town

740
00:35:13.960 --> 00:35:15.960
name after the tribe me look tribe. And in the dream,

741
00:35:16.800 --> 00:35:19.639
I'm in, I'm in. I'm inside a circle of elders

742
00:35:19.679 --> 00:35:21.639
and you could tell her all Native Americans, and you

743
00:35:21.679 --> 00:35:24.360
can't sell their faces. It's dark. There's me and some

744
00:35:24.480 --> 00:35:28.519
other people in there, and basically we're all pleading our

745
00:35:28.639 --> 00:35:33.559
case with the Native Americans that were worthy of being around.

746
00:35:33.840 --> 00:35:39.199
You know, O mah, the Bigfoot. That's such a crazy thing.

747
00:35:39.760 --> 00:35:43.719
And I had these like these two large kind of

748
00:35:44.559 --> 00:35:48.599
kind of off art kind of sculptures of these wooden ducks,

749
00:35:48.639 --> 00:35:50.320
you know, kind of like modern art looking, not a

750
00:35:50.360 --> 00:35:52.000
standard looking, but kind of something you do if you

751
00:35:52.079 --> 00:35:53.840
kind of did a modern art thing.

752
00:35:54.480 --> 00:35:56.199
And I was pleading my case with the.

753
00:35:56.239 --> 00:35:59.639
Elders that I was worthy, you know, to be to

754
00:35:59.760 --> 00:36:02.960
go and be part, you know, of searching for Big Fit,

755
00:36:03.000 --> 00:36:06.039
and that I would honor and respect them and everything.

756
00:36:06.119 --> 00:36:08.840
And they let me out. They granted me access out

757
00:36:08.880 --> 00:36:12.199
and said that was worthy to to do that. I thought,

758
00:36:12.320 --> 00:36:15.519
that's a strange dream you have here. Anyway, I went

759
00:36:15.599 --> 00:36:17.760
up there, and since I'd kind of gotten into the

760
00:36:17.800 --> 00:36:19.519
WU factor a little bit more, I decided what I

761
00:36:19.639 --> 00:36:21.639
want to do is one of my friends says, you

762
00:36:21.679 --> 00:36:24.280
know what you go when you're there, you you you

763
00:36:24.480 --> 00:36:26.719
talk to them. You introduce yourself and let them know

764
00:36:26.840 --> 00:36:29.360
that you're there and that you need no harm, that

765
00:36:29.480 --> 00:36:31.960
you are going to show respect and everything like that.

766
00:36:32.280 --> 00:36:35.760
So that's what I did, you know. I went ahead

767
00:36:35.760 --> 00:36:38.800
and introduced myself, and I did it two different times.

768
00:36:38.920 --> 00:36:41.280
The first time I did it, it was like, just

769
00:36:41.360 --> 00:36:42.800
not that far up the hill, there is this big

770
00:36:43.639 --> 00:36:48.119
bam bam bam put something on the tree and also

771
00:36:48.199 --> 00:36:50.239
and all the squirrels up there just went nuts for

772
00:36:50.280 --> 00:36:53.639
a while, you know. And then the second day something

773
00:36:53.679 --> 00:36:56.400
else happened too similar to that. So I won't spend

774
00:36:56.400 --> 00:36:58.679
too much time that. But the real kicker was it

775
00:36:58.800 --> 00:37:00.519
was really cold that night. I just had one of

776
00:37:00.599 --> 00:37:02.039
my dogs with me, and I had a camp fire.

777
00:37:02.119 --> 00:37:03.400
My dog wanted to go on the camp or so

778
00:37:03.480 --> 00:37:05.079
I was just sitting by the campfire. I thought, you know,

779
00:37:05.599 --> 00:37:08.719
wonder how cold it is here right now? It feels

780
00:37:08.760 --> 00:37:12.480
pretty cold? How cold it is? So I turn on

781
00:37:12.719 --> 00:37:15.760
are you familar with imre watching those ghost shows? For

782
00:37:15.800 --> 00:37:19.880
they have what they call the melmeters or electric energy? Okay,

783
00:37:20.400 --> 00:37:22.039
well you know the middle of nowhere, you should get

784
00:37:22.079 --> 00:37:24.880
a zero reading, you know, on your thing. Well, anyway,

785
00:37:24.960 --> 00:37:28.599
prior to me turning that on, I heard like a

786
00:37:28.639 --> 00:37:30.800
little rock go kind of go ping, like somebody just

787
00:37:30.800 --> 00:37:32.440
throwing a little pebblicans one of the big rocks. It

788
00:37:32.519 --> 00:37:35.559
wasn't like anything rolling like something had been thrown. O.

789
00:37:35.920 --> 00:37:38.840
That's interesting, you know, So I didn't see anything. Well,

790
00:37:38.880 --> 00:37:40.679
I go to turn on my mail meter see how

791
00:37:40.719 --> 00:37:43.079
cold it was, and it's like, real, give me like

792
00:37:43.239 --> 00:37:45.800
ninety sevens ninety eight. I took pictures of them to

793
00:37:46.000 --> 00:37:49.119
put them online years ago on Facebook. But again, these huge,

794
00:37:49.239 --> 00:37:53.519
huge readings, and I'm actually turning it off and double checking,

795
00:37:53.760 --> 00:37:56.679
just like I'm going, okay, this must be something wrong

796
00:37:56.679 --> 00:37:58.440
with it that you shouldn't be getting range out here

797
00:37:58.480 --> 00:38:01.119
because people say, well yourself, well, I have my cl

798
00:38:01.159 --> 00:38:03.280
phone off in my camp right now myself on me

799
00:38:03.880 --> 00:38:08.000
you can't don't have a reception anyway. And so anyway,

800
00:38:08.079 --> 00:38:12.280
I basically kind of came to realization there was something

801
00:38:12.360 --> 00:38:14.320
around me. I just couldn't see it. I just said, hey,

802
00:38:14.320 --> 00:38:17.079
I don't know who you are, but welcome to my campfire.

803
00:38:17.159 --> 00:38:19.239
Wasn't like I could get my truck and drive off,

804
00:38:19.320 --> 00:38:22.360
you know, with everything all the night. So the next

805
00:38:22.440 --> 00:38:24.239
morning I got up turned of my melmeter, you know

806
00:38:24.280 --> 00:38:27.800
when it was a zero reading. But yeah, And then

807
00:38:27.840 --> 00:38:29.519
another time I was up there hiking with the friend.

808
00:38:29.559 --> 00:38:31.360
We kind of got lost. We had a rock thrown

809
00:38:31.360 --> 00:38:32.639
at us against the tree, and he was like a

810
00:38:32.719 --> 00:38:35.800
total skeptic. And also we were coming back and I

811
00:38:35.920 --> 00:38:38.480
was here this damn it was really obvious of a

812
00:38:38.599 --> 00:38:41.480
rocket the tree about maybe twenty yards from us. I

813
00:38:41.599 --> 00:38:44.719
go to chear that. He goes, I said, you know what, yah,

814
00:38:45.000 --> 00:38:48.440
I go, I go, it must be a big video.

815
00:38:49.119 --> 00:38:51.440
I said, well, we'll throw a rock a deer bear,

816
00:38:51.559 --> 00:38:53.760
I mean, nothing else. That's the ability to throw a rock,

817
00:38:53.920 --> 00:38:57.599
you know. But so that's happened up there on different trips.

818
00:38:57.639 --> 00:38:58.960
Like I said, every time I kind of go up

819
00:38:58.960 --> 00:39:01.159
in that area. I usually a pretty I get some

820
00:39:01.320 --> 00:39:02.599
kind of payoffs. Something happens.

821
00:39:02.639 --> 00:39:04.719
I never know what it's going to be. Sometimes it's little,

822
00:39:04.800 --> 00:39:07.079
sometimes it's big. But yeah, hilario.

823
00:39:07.119 --> 00:39:09.880
Up there, you know between a strawberry and tway hard

824
00:39:10.079 --> 00:39:13.159
is it is loaded with bigfoot stuff. Of course that's

825
00:39:13.159 --> 00:39:15.679
where the hairy man graphics come from. That are so well.

826
00:39:15.800 --> 00:39:17.519
No, sure, yeah, absolutely.

827
00:39:18.440 --> 00:39:21.920
When when you introduce yourself to the woods out loud,

828
00:39:22.559 --> 00:39:25.000
how soon after was it that you heard.

829
00:39:26.400 --> 00:39:27.079
Those noises?

830
00:39:28.159 --> 00:39:30.960
Minutes? I would say three to five minutes ago it was.

831
00:39:31.039 --> 00:39:32.920
It was really it was really close together. It was

832
00:39:33.039 --> 00:39:33.800
very close together.

833
00:39:34.840 --> 00:39:38.400
Gotcha, Oh man, that that's weird. So when I was

834
00:39:38.480 --> 00:39:41.440
in when you know, we were in Oakreage for the festival,

835
00:39:42.719 --> 00:39:45.480
I went out in the woods with some guys and

836
00:39:45.800 --> 00:39:47.679
I tried that because I was like, I've wanted to

837
00:39:47.719 --> 00:39:49.159
try that. I should just try it because I know

838
00:39:49.199 --> 00:39:54.320
it's an active area. Doude, I had the same I said, hey,

839
00:39:54.480 --> 00:39:58.119
if you're out there, can you do something? And within

840
00:39:58.320 --> 00:40:01.280
like a few second, as there were like three wood

841
00:40:01.360 --> 00:40:05.599
knocks out in the woods, I was like, I be

842
00:40:05.639 --> 00:40:06.440
alone right now.

843
00:40:08.440 --> 00:40:12.000
In that trip, you know, don't ask you know, expecting

844
00:40:12.000 --> 00:40:13.320
me and when you ask for something you don't be

845
00:40:13.400 --> 00:40:14.480
afraid of, you get it. You know.

846
00:40:15.000 --> 00:40:16.599
Yeah, that's true exactly.

847
00:40:16.760 --> 00:40:21.239
So you hit on another really interesting thing where it

848
00:40:21.440 --> 00:40:26.159
is that the pattern you find is that it does

849
00:40:26.320 --> 00:40:30.000
feel like there are times where something's there you just

850
00:40:30.119 --> 00:40:33.280
can't see it, and it almost makes you wonder is

851
00:40:33.400 --> 00:40:37.679
there anything that we could do to even see what's

852
00:40:37.719 --> 00:40:42.239
out there? And that's that's a whole question itself.

853
00:40:41.920 --> 00:40:44.320
You know, like, is there anything I can do?

854
00:40:44.559 --> 00:40:48.039
I don't know. Well, I know some of these Bigfoot

855
00:40:48.039 --> 00:40:50.280
shows are controversial, and I get it, and I'm okay

856
00:40:50.400 --> 00:40:52.679
to be in converse, but a few of them, I

857
00:40:52.760 --> 00:40:54.519
think I really have to give the people credit. I

858
00:40:54.559 --> 00:40:57.320
think they're really trying hard to find new ways to

859
00:40:57.440 --> 00:40:59.719
prove the Bigfoot exists, and whether people agree with their

860
00:40:59.760 --> 00:41:01.800
meth or whatever, it's like, yeah, you know, I mean,

861
00:41:01.880 --> 00:41:04.519
whatever we need to do other than obviously hurting one,

862
00:41:04.559 --> 00:41:06.599
you know, I think there's all sorts of possibilities.

863
00:41:08.679 --> 00:41:09.320
Absolutely.

864
00:41:10.159 --> 00:41:13.840
You've had a lot of really interesting connections in the

865
00:41:13.960 --> 00:41:17.199
years that you've been involved with this, so I'm just curious,

866
00:41:17.519 --> 00:41:21.159
did you ever have any connections with Henry Franzoni over

867
00:41:21.199 --> 00:41:21.559
the years.

868
00:41:22.480 --> 00:41:25.239
No, you know, I spent some time Tom Powell and

869
00:41:25.320 --> 00:41:27.280
I hit it off. Oh yeah, one time at a

870
00:41:27.320 --> 00:41:29.639
beach foot and we actually did some traveling together. We

871
00:41:30.679 --> 00:41:33.760
my friends have a haunted house out in Towels. But

872
00:41:33.880 --> 00:41:35.840
he and I went to Mount Shasta, where I've had

873
00:41:35.880 --> 00:41:38.360
some weird stuff happened. We spent some time Mount Shasta,

874
00:41:39.320 --> 00:41:41.960
and then he came back down and we drove out

875
00:41:42.000 --> 00:41:44.599
to Taws and some time with my friends. But he

876
00:41:44.679 --> 00:41:46.559
used to talk about Henry Fanzoni Lot But I never

877
00:41:46.639 --> 00:41:48.400
met Henry, but I know Henry is really into doing that,

878
00:41:48.480 --> 00:41:52.119
taking his drums in the woods and doing stuff like that.

879
00:41:53.199 --> 00:41:54.920
I never got to meet him, but I had some

880
00:41:55.079 --> 00:42:00.199
really good conversations with him and who was a who

881
00:42:00.280 --> 00:42:02.920
was a cool dude? What kind of things did you

882
00:42:03.000 --> 00:42:05.559
have have happened up in Mount Shasta area?

883
00:42:08.679 --> 00:42:11.119
You know Mount Shasta. I haven't had a whole lot

884
00:42:11.239 --> 00:42:13.599
happen there. It's just been more kind of the overall

885
00:42:14.440 --> 00:42:15.400
vibe of being there.

886
00:42:15.559 --> 00:42:18.639
I guess apparently there's a lot of portals right in

887
00:42:18.679 --> 00:42:20.519
the Campron, because one time when Tom and I were there,

888
00:42:21.440 --> 00:42:23.440
there's this guy taking people through, and I guess Tom's

889
00:42:23.480 --> 00:42:25.000
knuck around trying to see where the portals were.

890
00:42:25.119 --> 00:42:27.000
But oh, I know that's what happened.

891
00:42:27.119 --> 00:42:30.159
I said, Okay, there's this one campsite I really liked

892
00:42:30.159 --> 00:42:31.679
a lot, because a little bit bigger than the other ones.

893
00:42:31.679 --> 00:42:32.840
They're all pretty much spread out.

894
00:42:33.599 --> 00:42:38.880
But I had this another ghost tool which people use

895
00:42:38.960 --> 00:42:41.639
a lot of the the one where they can kind

896
00:42:41.639 --> 00:42:44.519
of talk to you, you know, through the device.

897
00:42:44.559 --> 00:42:45.599
I got all that stuff in my camp.

898
00:42:45.639 --> 00:42:48.360
Oh sure, it's like static in words and stuff like that.

899
00:42:49.280 --> 00:42:50.880
Yeah, but this other one isn't that one. It's the

900
00:42:50.960 --> 00:42:53.719
one where actually you ask the question and there's a

901
00:42:53.800 --> 00:42:55.960
little you have a little handheld device and a lot

902
00:42:56.039 --> 00:43:00.480
of times it'll answer you okay, And actually long about it.

903
00:43:00.559 --> 00:43:03.719
It was called Spirits by the Fire, and I was

904
00:43:03.800 --> 00:43:05.079
up there one night by the fire and I just

905
00:43:05.159 --> 00:43:06.159
kind of felt a presence.

906
00:43:06.199 --> 00:43:08.119
So I got that thingy out.

907
00:43:09.039 --> 00:43:11.920
And I've been told by the people that that that

908
00:43:12.079 --> 00:43:13.719
had them that you have to let them set outside

909
00:43:13.760 --> 00:43:15.199
for a while, kind of get used to the environment,

910
00:43:15.199 --> 00:43:17.320
and that's when the spirits will talk to you if

911
00:43:17.360 --> 00:43:17.760
they're there.

912
00:43:18.719 --> 00:43:21.840
And I can't remember exact once again, that's just when

913
00:43:21.840 --> 00:43:22.519
I was writing a book.

914
00:43:22.519 --> 00:43:24.079
I've kind of switched back to music. So I don't

915
00:43:24.079 --> 00:43:27.239
really I haven't done too much writing about bakeflick, but

916
00:43:27.920 --> 00:43:30.800
basically I ask if there's anybody there with me, and

917
00:43:30.880 --> 00:43:32.760
it's and it said, yeah, there's like ten or twelve

918
00:43:32.800 --> 00:43:34.440
of us or something like that. It's kind of weird.

919
00:43:34.440 --> 00:43:37.039
I can't rod all the conversations. But and then the

920
00:43:37.119 --> 00:43:38.480
next time I was up there, I was looking at

921
00:43:38.480 --> 00:43:41.719
to find the spot again, so I turned it back on.

922
00:43:42.519 --> 00:43:44.840
I said, is there anybody here with me tonight? That

923
00:43:45.039 --> 00:43:46.599
was here the last time I was here? And then

924
00:43:46.639 --> 00:43:47.679
the word pops up her.

925
00:43:50.920 --> 00:43:53.039
Oh wow, that's wild.

926
00:43:54.480 --> 00:43:56.239
That's a little bit too coins that oh for me,

927
00:43:56.320 --> 00:43:58.639
and not to see a bread the word spot.

928
00:43:58.440 --> 00:43:58.880
It up, you know.

929
00:43:59.320 --> 00:43:59.920
Absolutely.

930
00:44:01.079 --> 00:44:03.400
The other strange experience I had, which really is kind

931
00:44:03.440 --> 00:44:05.760
of in some way, he's almost was almost up there

932
00:44:05.840 --> 00:44:10.800
with the my my siding and and Stanislass was I was.

933
00:44:11.039 --> 00:44:13.280
All these things seem to come between the comings and

934
00:44:13.320 --> 00:44:14.320
goings from Beechhu.

935
00:44:14.400 --> 00:44:18.159
The vibe is of me is really strong. But I

936
00:44:18.360 --> 00:44:20.199
was coming home and.

937
00:44:20.960 --> 00:44:22.960
It was really hot down south of California. Thought, no,

938
00:44:23.039 --> 00:44:25.360
it's been one more not up here in northern California.

939
00:44:25.920 --> 00:44:27.840
Ended up in Dale, Norda County, you know, it's really

940
00:44:27.840 --> 00:44:30.079
hard to get access anywhere in Dale, Nordy County, just

941
00:44:30.159 --> 00:44:32.920
because I was so you know, it so closed off

942
00:44:33.000 --> 00:44:37.000
to the logging industry, owns everything. But there's a really

943
00:44:37.079 --> 00:44:39.159
cool campra i'd just by the Klamath River, just off

944
00:44:39.320 --> 00:44:41.880
one oh one, and it's just a beautiful campra, so

945
00:44:42.000 --> 00:44:43.760
nice RV book I've ever been toed. I mean, it's

946
00:44:43.840 --> 00:44:46.079
it's so green there that they let you pull up

947
00:44:46.119 --> 00:44:47.840
on the grass. That's where you parked the campra on

948
00:44:47.880 --> 00:44:51.119
the grass, you know. And uh. And so I was

949
00:44:51.199 --> 00:44:53.679
getting there kind of late, so I called into the

950
00:44:53.760 --> 00:44:56.199
desk and I go, oh, yeah, just just park where

951
00:44:56.280 --> 00:44:58.440
you want. And they wanted to drive me to everybody

952
00:44:58.519 --> 00:45:00.039
was I said, no, I got two tired dogs. I

953
00:45:00.119 --> 00:45:01.519
kind of want to be away from it any place

954
00:45:01.519 --> 00:45:03.880
I can. It goes, oh yeah, take spot on a

955
00:45:03.960 --> 00:45:06.039
one twelve or something like. Okay, So I drove in.

956
00:45:07.880 --> 00:45:09.760
The office is closed and still they like pull in.

957
00:45:10.320 --> 00:45:13.400
I put pictures on my Facebook page before and I

958
00:45:13.480 --> 00:45:15.360
pulled the campside. I thought, all right, this is my

959
00:45:15.440 --> 00:45:18.519
spot and it says it says beware the creature known

960
00:45:18.559 --> 00:45:21.159
as Bigfoot has been sighted in this area before. Do

961
00:45:21.280 --> 00:45:24.039
not allow your children to go down to the river unattended.

962
00:45:24.079 --> 00:45:26.440
I thought, Okay, I like this, this is good.

963
00:45:26.599 --> 00:45:30.760
So I had talked to Bobo at the conference the

964
00:45:30.840 --> 00:45:33.800
Beach Foot and we were talking about how to we're

965
00:45:34.000 --> 00:45:37.760
you know, bigfoot in you know, gifting. He suggested that

966
00:45:37.840 --> 00:45:39.800
they like peanut butter and jelly sandwiches. And I don't

967
00:45:39.800 --> 00:45:42.440
know if you told me this part. Somebody said you

968
00:45:42.480 --> 00:45:44.400
put them high up off the ground, maybe the same

969
00:45:44.920 --> 00:45:47.000
that the squirrels and the bears can't get them. So

970
00:45:48.079 --> 00:45:50.000
he says, it can't be inside of your camp. Size

971
00:45:50.079 --> 00:45:52.119
got to be far away where they can't see directly,

972
00:45:52.199 --> 00:45:54.320
you can't see them. So I put a peanut butter

973
00:45:54.360 --> 00:45:57.199
and jelly sandwich in a baggy, tied it. I got

974
00:45:57.199 --> 00:45:59.000
a little ladder and I tied up above this little

975
00:45:59.400 --> 00:46:01.559
loose line. I'm so a squirrel couldn't walk out on it,

976
00:46:01.599 --> 00:46:05.679
and had it dangling up there. And the dogs retired

977
00:46:05.679 --> 00:46:07.480
there in the camper sleep and I was just sitting outside,

978
00:46:07.559 --> 00:46:10.400
having some bay leys and just enjoying the cool weather

979
00:46:10.519 --> 00:46:12.440
there and kind of thing. And that is the last

980
00:46:12.480 --> 00:46:14.719
day I don't have any of this. And as this

981
00:46:14.800 --> 00:46:17.079
getting ready to go to bed, and said why don't

982
00:46:17.079 --> 00:46:18.800
you stay out a little bit longer? I thought, Okay,

983
00:46:18.880 --> 00:46:22.760
So I'm setting my camping chair absolutely quiet. All of

984
00:46:22.840 --> 00:46:26.599
a sudden, this big bright light just flashes down in

985
00:46:26.679 --> 00:46:30.360
the tree area down where the food was, and I

986
00:46:30.440 --> 00:46:32.880
was just kind of like, I don't thinking, Oh, what's that.

987
00:46:33.119 --> 00:46:35.639
I thought, maybe somebody's got a spotlight, you know, for

988
00:46:35.719 --> 00:46:37.119
the road or somewhere.

989
00:46:37.159 --> 00:46:40.119
And I looked all around and there's no visible There

990
00:46:40.199 --> 00:46:42.480
was nothing coming from the hills up there or the highway.

991
00:46:43.159 --> 00:46:45.440
I mean, as I looked at it closer, I realized

992
00:46:46.159 --> 00:46:48.639
that the light didn't release them to have any sources.

993
00:46:48.639 --> 00:46:50.159
It was just right on top of these trees, and

994
00:46:50.239 --> 00:46:52.239
I was like, super bright, like those lights you see

995
00:46:52.320 --> 00:46:57.079
when these have premiers for movies. And so here's the

996
00:46:57.119 --> 00:46:59.000
weird part, I thought. And then all of a sudden

997
00:46:59.000 --> 00:47:02.280
I hear crashing down low where the where the food is.

998
00:47:02.320 --> 00:47:04.400
So these are all happening simultaneously. The light goes on

999
00:47:04.480 --> 00:47:08.000
all side, there's big, somethingly big is jumping up in

1000
00:47:08.039 --> 00:47:10.360
the brush. So I started to get from my chair.

1001
00:47:10.679 --> 00:47:12.199
I jumped up from my chair. I was going to

1002
00:47:12.280 --> 00:47:14.440
run down see what happened, and something said to me,

1003
00:47:15.400 --> 00:47:18.079
don't go he says, stay where you are, otherwise it's

1004
00:47:18.079 --> 00:47:20.719
all going to stop. It's like something was just commanding

1005
00:47:20.760 --> 00:47:24.920
me to stay there, so I thought, I set down

1006
00:47:24.960 --> 00:47:27.440
in my chair, and I doubt if it the whole

1007
00:47:27.480 --> 00:47:29.599
thing lasted more than ten or fifteen seconds, money even

1008
00:47:29.599 --> 00:47:31.960
been shorter than that. It probably ten to fifteen seconds,

1009
00:47:31.960 --> 00:47:35.719
at least maybe half a minute. And then all of

1010
00:47:35.719 --> 00:47:37.880
a sudden, the light went out and the noise below

1011
00:47:37.960 --> 00:47:40.840
went out all like literally at the same time. So

1012
00:47:40.960 --> 00:47:45.199
it's kind of going. So the next day I talked

1013
00:47:45.199 --> 00:47:47.079
to the camp people, I said, I asked if they

1014
00:47:47.079 --> 00:47:49.239
had any light triggered lights or anything. Oh no, keep

1015
00:47:49.280 --> 00:47:52.039
it dark here. And so I told them the story,

1016
00:47:52.119 --> 00:47:54.000
and they had just bought the place from the other guy,

1017
00:47:54.000 --> 00:47:56.320
and they thought the guy was called Bologney who thought

1018
00:47:56.360 --> 00:47:59.239
he was hallucining the Bigfoot, so they weren't believers at all.

1019
00:47:59.320 --> 00:48:01.960
But oh wow, So that was kind of a really

1020
00:48:02.000 --> 00:48:04.039
interesting experience too. Once again, another one that kind of

1021
00:48:04.480 --> 00:48:06.599
And I talked to Tom Powell about that afterwards too,

1022
00:48:06.639 --> 00:48:09.679
and he said that's not uncommon, especially a Native American, which,

1023
00:48:09.679 --> 00:48:11.559
of course right there in the climate rivers right though,

1024
00:48:11.719 --> 00:48:14.679
that's all the reservation land around that there too. This

1025
00:48:14.840 --> 00:48:16.840
is not a common in the reservation area for the

1026
00:48:17.920 --> 00:48:21.400
the Native Americans, you know, to talk about seeing strange lives.

1027
00:48:21.559 --> 00:48:23.320
There's big in the vicinity, so.

1028
00:48:25.480 --> 00:48:26.440
That's really interesting.

1029
00:48:26.480 --> 00:48:30.639
I've heard a few people talk about Jedediah Smith State Park,

1030
00:48:30.760 --> 00:48:33.679
which is in the same county, I believe, uh huh.

1031
00:48:34.079 --> 00:48:37.719
I had talked to a worker up at Ike's Pizza

1032
00:48:37.880 --> 00:48:42.519
in Lieburg, Oregon, and she had some interesting things happen

1033
00:48:43.159 --> 00:48:46.320
in that that park. But yeah, it's a weird county

1034
00:48:46.320 --> 00:48:48.360
because as you said, I mean you you really can't

1035
00:48:48.400 --> 00:48:51.159
get to most of it because there's not a lot

1036
00:48:51.199 --> 00:48:53.320
of roads, main roads out there.

1037
00:48:53.360 --> 00:48:54.440
It's it's mazing.

1038
00:48:55.320 --> 00:49:00.239
Mainly forest stuff. But wow, that means man, if you

1039
00:49:00.320 --> 00:49:03.800
have you have had some wild stuff happened over over

1040
00:49:03.920 --> 00:49:04.360
the years.

1041
00:49:04.960 --> 00:49:07.840
You weren't kidding me. Oh so you've You've mentioned.

1042
00:49:07.599 --> 00:49:11.880
A few tools that you use. Have you ever used

1043
00:49:12.159 --> 00:49:13.639
a tuning fork out there?

1044
00:49:14.679 --> 00:49:16.960
No, I've gone out and played my music before, but

1045
00:49:17.000 --> 00:49:18.199
I've never used a tuning fork.

1046
00:49:18.360 --> 00:49:27.639
Okay, well, so allegedly for entertainment purposes only. There's a

1047
00:49:27.679 --> 00:49:30.960
lot of people that are noticing that they are recording

1048
00:49:32.320 --> 00:49:36.119
a certain tone in Bigfoot areas that's forty hurts. And

1049
00:49:36.280 --> 00:49:41.840
so some people started using forty HRTs tuning forks, and

1050
00:49:42.559 --> 00:49:46.079
when they do that in certain areas, that same tone

1051
00:49:46.199 --> 00:49:49.400
comes back at them from the woods, and it's it's

1052
00:49:49.920 --> 00:49:51.559
just another weird thing, right.

1053
00:49:55.280 --> 00:49:55.480
Yeah.

1054
00:49:55.599 --> 00:50:00.119
So now when you play your guitar out there, I've

1055
00:50:00.159 --> 00:50:02.840
heard from a few people that you play your guitar

1056
00:50:02.880 --> 00:50:05.599
in certain areas and that can kind of kick off

1057
00:50:06.519 --> 00:50:07.400
interactions too.

1058
00:50:08.000 --> 00:50:09.599
Did you ever find that to be the case.

1059
00:50:10.519 --> 00:50:13.760
No, I've never found my guitars brought anybody you, although

1060
00:50:13.800 --> 00:50:18.039
it's relaxing to me, right, true, true, true, true, No,

1061
00:50:18.079 --> 00:50:20.079
I've never found that to be a tool. I think

1062
00:50:20.119 --> 00:50:22.880
the best tool I've had is just going down and

1063
00:50:22.960 --> 00:50:26.280
presenting myself, you know, and just hanging out, just being

1064
00:50:26.320 --> 00:50:28.599
the right. I always tell people, I remember one time

1065
00:50:28.639 --> 00:50:30.400
when I was first starting to do bigfoot stuff, and

1066
00:50:31.400 --> 00:50:33.599
well we were talking with them, some old timers there.

1067
00:50:33.639 --> 00:50:37.039
Now I'm an old time but you know Davis's you

1068
00:50:37.119 --> 00:50:40.239
don't find Bigfoot, Bigfoot finds you. I've always kind of

1069
00:50:40.280 --> 00:50:42.719
been under that belief system.

1070
00:50:42.960 --> 00:50:43.519
Absolutely.

1071
00:50:44.480 --> 00:50:47.280
Occasionally you read these stories if somebody comes upon bigfoot

1072
00:50:47.280 --> 00:50:49.239
in surprise, and ye know that does happen, obviously, but

1073
00:50:49.320 --> 00:50:52.280
I think most of the time they're very well aware

1074
00:50:52.280 --> 00:50:55.320
of us, and they make the decision that they want

1075
00:50:55.360 --> 00:50:57.760
to do. They want to scare us, show us a

1076
00:50:57.760 --> 00:50:59.920
little bit of themselves. They're just the opposite direction.

1077
00:51:00.079 --> 00:51:04.440
And you know, Dave, I've got one more question for you.

1078
00:51:04.480 --> 00:51:06.119
I just want to say thank you for taking your time.

1079
00:51:06.159 --> 00:51:08.880
I know you're about ready to hit the road, so

1080
00:51:09.159 --> 00:51:11.760
I'm very thankful of your time today. But let's say

1081
00:51:11.960 --> 00:51:15.920
there's a person listening, they're new to the subject, and

1082
00:51:15.920 --> 00:51:18.920
they're like, man, Dave's talking about all these cool areas,

1083
00:51:18.960 --> 00:51:21.280
How am I going to find my own cool area?

1084
00:51:21.400 --> 00:51:24.280
Do you have any advice about how people can try

1085
00:51:24.360 --> 00:51:27.559
to find an area that might work for them to

1086
00:51:28.239 --> 00:51:30.679
try to get an interaction going with bigfoot.

1087
00:51:31.519 --> 00:51:32.119
Absolutely.

1088
00:51:32.239 --> 00:51:34.360
I think what I did was.

1089
00:51:35.960 --> 00:51:38.119
First the first place I actually want to was the BFRO.

1090
00:51:39.239 --> 00:51:41.039
Start a look at the counties, like see where the

1091
00:51:41.159 --> 00:51:43.480
most sightings were in the counties, and then you kind

1092
00:51:43.519 --> 00:51:46.199
of drill down a little bit further, like whords do

1093
00:51:46.320 --> 00:51:49.000
seem to be most frequent. The other one, I think

1094
00:51:49.079 --> 00:51:51.800
is even more valuable than that. It's just feed on

1095
00:51:51.880 --> 00:51:55.679
the ground, get some conferences, try to get yourself known

1096
00:51:55.719 --> 00:51:58.800
to people and get trusted by people, and they trust

1097
00:51:58.840 --> 00:52:00.800
you enough with the information you're not going to go

1098
00:52:00.880 --> 00:52:03.960
out and blob it. And when you get that firsthand information,

1099
00:52:04.079 --> 00:52:06.239
that's a great place to go. So yeah, I think

1100
00:52:06.320 --> 00:52:09.280
researching being an armchair researcher, just looking for airs that way,

1101
00:52:09.360 --> 00:52:12.559
and then being proactive and going to conferences and big

1102
00:52:12.599 --> 00:52:15.679
fook get togethers and networking and meeting people and trying

1103
00:52:15.719 --> 00:52:17.960
to maybe get involved in a group of people that

1104
00:52:18.079 --> 00:52:20.360
don't do things. Also reading big Foot books that are

1105
00:52:20.400 --> 00:52:23.239
out too any big I got. I got a whole

1106
00:52:23.320 --> 00:52:24.239
library all of big.

1107
00:52:24.159 --> 00:52:25.639
Foot books that have helped me a lot too.

1108
00:52:25.840 --> 00:52:30.000
Just to show Joe bill Hart he's a great guy.

1109
00:52:30.039 --> 00:52:30.679
I love that guy.

1110
00:52:30.800 --> 00:52:33.719
And whenever I go out the road big but they

1111
00:52:33.719 --> 00:52:36.920
always take the big Foot Highway with me with me

1112
00:52:37.119 --> 00:52:39.719
because that's a great resource for anybody, especially was up

1113
00:52:39.760 --> 00:52:42.000
in the organ area and you know, to find He's

1114
00:52:42.079 --> 00:52:44.239
very specific about spots and I've been out camping in

1115
00:52:44.280 --> 00:52:47.840
a couple of places with him, the famous Tarzan Springs

1116
00:52:47.960 --> 00:52:51.920
and some other places. But yeah, I think just researching

1117
00:52:52.000 --> 00:52:55.760
book wise, getting online, going out to conferences and meeting

1118
00:52:55.800 --> 00:52:57.920
people and getting their trust at least they give you

1119
00:52:58.000 --> 00:52:59.199
some general ideas where to go.

1120
00:53:00.360 --> 00:53:04.599
That's fantastic advice. And Dave, thank you for your your

1121
00:53:04.719 --> 00:53:10.039
time today. Is there anything if people you know you've

1122
00:53:10.119 --> 00:53:13.960
mentioned your music a few times in your book, what's

1123
00:53:14.079 --> 00:53:16.800
what's the best way that people can track that down

1124
00:53:17.280 --> 00:53:19.360
to listen to your music or to read your book

1125
00:53:19.400 --> 00:53:20.280
if if they want to.

1126
00:53:21.320 --> 00:53:24.800
Okay, well, my book's called Bigfoot Light L. I. T. E.

1127
00:53:24.960 --> 00:53:27.400
And it's really just more about although I do have

1128
00:53:27.559 --> 00:53:29.719
my encounter in there, it's really kind of more about

1129
00:53:29.760 --> 00:53:33.800
my adventures teaching my son about being outdoors and being

1130
00:53:33.840 --> 00:53:36.039
comfortable looking for bigfoot, not being scared.

1131
00:53:36.039 --> 00:53:36.840
So that's my book.

1132
00:53:36.920 --> 00:53:40.440
It's on it's it's it's only in in the kindle form,

1133
00:53:40.519 --> 00:53:43.519
you can't buy it as a hard copy system. And

1134
00:53:43.719 --> 00:53:45.760
then my music is actually, well, if you want to

1135
00:53:45.800 --> 00:53:48.599
hear the bigfoot songs that are not really bigfoot songs

1136
00:53:48.639 --> 00:53:51.639
but they are, you go to Spotify or YouTube and

1137
00:53:51.719 --> 00:53:57.280
look up David Osborne songs for oh mah. And if

1138
00:53:57.320 --> 00:53:59.559
you just want to hear my actual music more recently

1139
00:53:59.800 --> 00:54:02.480
than you're just going to Spotify, look at Dave Osborne

1140
00:54:02.519 --> 00:54:06.559
and what's my last song I had on there so

1141
00:54:06.719 --> 00:54:09.079
got so many songs that I'm trying to think the.

1142
00:54:10.559 --> 00:54:12.480
It's god things to be doing pretty well. People will

1143
00:54:12.519 --> 00:54:14.880
be listening not a lot, so yeah.

1144
00:54:15.519 --> 00:54:16.360
Well fantastic.

1145
00:54:16.440 --> 00:54:19.800
I'll make sure to have those links in the description

1146
00:54:20.320 --> 00:54:23.480
show notes for people to check out easily. But uh,

1147
00:54:23.800 --> 00:54:28.000
you know, safe travels, Dave, and good luck in the future.

1148
00:54:28.119 --> 00:54:31.840
Maybe who knows, you'll have another you know, bigfoot come

1149
00:54:32.079 --> 00:54:32.960
across your path.

1150
00:54:33.039 --> 00:54:33.519
Who knows.

1151
00:54:34.039 --> 00:54:36.679
But it's been a pleasure chatting with you today, sir.

1152
00:54:37.440 --> 00:54:39.440
Well, thank you so much for your time, and you're interested.

1153
00:54:39.519 --> 00:54:40.119
I had a great job.

1154
00:54:40.440 --> 00:54:42.239
Thank you for listening to this episode of The Big

1155
00:54:42.519 --> 00:54:45.519
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1156
00:54:45.599 --> 00:54:48.639
world is bigger and stranger than we think, and that

1157
00:54:48.760 --> 00:54:51.239
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1158
00:54:51.800 --> 00:54:54.719
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1166
00:55:14.880 --> 00:55:17.960
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1167
00:55:18.079 --> 00:55:21.280
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00:55:21.760 --> 00:55:24.480
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1175
00:55:44.519 --> 00:55:47.480
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1176
00:55:47.880 --> 00:55:50.320
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1177
00:55:50.360 --> 00:55:52.000
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