Sept. 1, 2025

The White Sasquatch of the Quabbin | Massachusetts

The White Sasquatch of the Quabbin | Massachusetts
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Season 1

What happens when a quiet hike near the Quabbin Reservoir turns into a confrontation with something impossible? In this chilling episode, we sit down with John Coster — songwriter, author, Harvard graduate — to hear the story of his life-changing encounters with a towering, white-haired Sasquatch in the forests of Western Massachusetts.



From eerie silences and giant handprints on his car, to thunderous whistles in the woods, trees bent with impossible force, and even a massive boulder hurled into the lake — John’s story is one of the most interesting and compelling Bigfoot encounters ever recorded in New England.



You’ll hear about sightings in Pelham, the hidden wilderness of the Quabbin, strange footprints near the Prescott Peninsula, and the long history of Sasquatch lore across Hampshire County and beyond down to Granville. Could these creatures still be haunting Massachusetts’ forgotten forests?

Resources:

Convergence: Encounters with an Impossible Being - buy link -
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https://www.johncostermusic.com/


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You're listening to Biglea Society, and I'm Jeremiah Byron. In

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this show, we go beyond the campfire stories to bring

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you first hand encounters from people who say they've seen

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something impossible. From backwoods trails and remote mountain haulers to

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quiet farms and crowded highways. The stories come from everywhere,

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and each one leaves us with more questions than answers.

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These are the voices of the people who've lived it.

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To settle in, because today you'll hear another account that

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just might change the way you see the woods forever.

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So stay with us, all right, Big the Society. You've

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got the privilege of talking to John Coster today. John

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is an individual I got connected to. He is a songwriter, musician, author,

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and Harvard graduate, and he's on the show to share

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about his encounters out there in western Massachusetts that are

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written about in his book Convergence Encounters with an Impossible Being,

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which is a fantastic read I've read as well. And

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before before I hand things over to John, I just

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want to say this is a privilege to have John

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on the show. Longtime listeners will know that I grew

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up in Northfield, which is the northern part of the

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Pioneer Valley. So I've always tried my hardest to get

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individuals on that would talk about places like the Kabbin

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or Amherst Hadley, Greenfield, Northfield, gil And it's really, really,

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really hard to get those individuals on. So it's great

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to be able to talk to an individual who's kind

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of mentions locations in that general area in his book.

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But you know, welcome to the show, John, How are

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you doing today.

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I'm doing great, So thanks for having me. And I

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had forgotten that you were from this part of the country.

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That's very interesting.

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Yeah, absolutely, you know, and it's a thing where there

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as you know, there's more with bigfoot that goes on

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in this part of the country then most people know

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because it's not really talked about publicly. And when I

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lived there growing up, I wasn't really in that mindset,

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so I wasn't going out and you know, into the

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different state force and exploring for that. But now I'm like, oh,

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I got to get back there and and kind of

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look at this a different way. But you know, John,

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your story is is incredible in in I've read your

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book and there's there's so much to it, so you know,

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would you would you mind kind of walking us through

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sharing what you've experienced over the years and and how

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this all started for you.

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No, not at all. Well, first of all, my own encounter,

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or the encounter I had with my partner of the

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time and very close friend forever, was the last thing

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in the world that I expected. Having said that, I

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have to admit and confess that I had had, since

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early childhood a kind of a fascination with bigfoots, last

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the abominable snowman. I don't I mean, I can remember

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as a young boy reading some kind of a I

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think there was an article about the Abominable Snowman in

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Argacy magazine. And that's a long, long, long time ago.

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Many years later, I found myself at Harvard, and in

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order to pass, I was studying history and literature. But

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in those days, and I thinks to today, we all

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we had to pass, and certain we had to take

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at least a full year of science, And I ended

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up studying human evolution, which needless to say, made us

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take a look at a lot of the close cousins

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that we have as a matter of fact, and close

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cousins in our evolutionary past, whether it's and that field

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is just dramatically exploded. So now that there's here, it

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is all these years later. There's not just Neanderthal and

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peking Man. There's all these everything in between. You know,

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there's all sorts of hominins or hominids depending on your classification. Stuff,

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a lot of close relatives to men, the living ones

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as well as the past ones that some of whom

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led to our line of, you know, our human beings

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as far as we understand things today. So but having

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said that, every once in a while I read something

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about sasquatching the Northwest or something like that, and I

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was always kind of interested in the subject, partly because

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based on the science studies that I had back in

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Cambridge in those days, everybody seemed like, well, you know,

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when you consider how the ice is ages came and

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went during the Pleistocene, and a lot of early violent

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weather changes happened, and there were all these big forms

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of animals, like we had giant everything was bigger. We

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had a lot of giant creatures. We had you know,

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gigantic slaws, and we had mammas. We had all these

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creatures that were you know, were called megafona and even

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though anything over one hundred pounds, including us, is technically megafauna. Nevertheless,

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it made a lot of sense that some primate would

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have adapted to the comings and goings of the ice

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ages during that period, that really long formative period called

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the Pleistocene, which only ended at the end of the

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Last ice Age, and so we're kind of like barely

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out of it, if you'll think of things in terms

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of geological times. So I just thought, well, a big, big,

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you know, ape like creature that's a close relative of man.

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It's it's almost would be as surprising if something like

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that didn't exist. So that was kind of my background.

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But I haven't really thought of any of this for

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a long time. And then I was living with my

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friend at that time and up or at the beginning

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of this recent encounter up in Pelham, Massachusetts, and we

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were about, oh, just maybe us A crow flies four

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or five miles from the Cobb And Reservoir, which is

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a very big wilderness area, the Corobbin is, as people

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referred to it as the accidental Wilderness, or the basically

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back I think it was in the late thirties the

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state developed the plan to dam up some of the rivers.

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It ran through an old farming valley, and they built

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an enormous reservoir that reservoirs, but it's a major source

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of water of water for parts of eastern Massachusetts like

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Boston and places like that, so it's very important, and

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it's important to keep the area really clean and wild

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because you don't want development around a reservoir. And it's

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a big reservoir. It has about one hundred and forty

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mile miles of shoreline with a lot of wild forest

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surrounding it. I forget how many. It's like one hundred

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and fifty. I forget how I forget the numbers of acres,

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but there's lots of square miles of very wild country

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all around it. And actually where we were living at

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the time, there was even another big wildlife preserve between

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us and the highway, and on the other side of

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that was the whole quab And Forest Preserve. So it's

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a lot. There's everything is there that ever was here.

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I mean, everybody that I know that's spent a lot

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of time there and basically admits that. There are the

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occasional cooar wandering through, and there are these big, big

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coyote wolf hybrids or whatever they are, we've seen them

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so and their moose are common and relatively speaking, so

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the wildlife has kind of come back. So if you

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were going to encounter something strange, it was, it was

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a pretty good area to encounter it. Lenniow to get

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to the beginning of the story, which I described in

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the book. One day, it was in September actually was

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the what's the equinox? Right that September twenty second. We

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decided to take a hike in that area because we

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were typically doing a lot of hiking. It's something we've

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always done. And so we went over to this particular

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area and we're hiking down to a spot that's a

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really beautiful spot where you can look out over the

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water and you know, see nothing. You could you could

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imagine yourself somewhere in the wilderness. I mean, you're you're

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not far from civilization, but you can't see a single

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sign of it. You can look out and you can

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imagine yourself in some big wildlife park out in the

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west or something, you know. And it got to be

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toward evening and we decided it was well, it's time

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to get headed home, you know, and so we started

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walking up this trail that's maybe a half mile long.

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Wasn't that very long to where you could park at

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par And the first thing that I noticed, maybe even unconsciously,

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now that I think about it, was it everything got

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very very quiet. And if you know the woods in

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New England, you understand that mid to late September, particularly

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in the evening time around six and stuff, when the

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sun's just beginning to get low but it's still pretty

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light out, it's a very loud time that all the

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bugs and the crickets and everything they really go into

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the crescendo at the end of summer. And so we

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were walking along and I remember feeling just a strange

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kind of uneasiness which I couldn't put my finger on.

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Now that I think back upon, it probably had to

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do with the strange silence, because even if I didn't

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register it consciously, the place was really quiet. All of

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the woods were really quiet. And so we're walking along

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up this trail and to our right there's an area

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that maybe had been logged out maybe oh five or

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ten years previously. In that area, there's a certain amount

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of logging is allowed and it's all done with an

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eye towards, you know, maintaining the forest and a good

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state that they they do take a timber out of

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their periodically in certain sections, and this is one of

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those areas. So you had a wide view over maybe

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one hundred yards or something at least. And I'm just

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walking along, feeling a little strange and for no reason

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that I could put my finger on. And then all

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of a sudden, I turned around because I noticed that

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my friend Donna was not all of a sudden, she

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wasn't right by my side. And I looked around and

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she was scaring off into across this sort of brushy

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area that had been logged out, and she had this

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very perplexed look on her face, and she said something

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to the effect of and it was a very strange question.

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She said, is it possible for a moose to be white?

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And I'm thinking that's a weird question. But of course,

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every once in a while you have an albino deer,

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and maybe once in every ten years somewhere in the

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world is an albino loose. I don't know, but these

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things happened. And I said, well, wow, no, And then

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she described that she'd see something and the reason she

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said moose is because it was so tall. And the

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only that we were aware of it could be really

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big and be any strange color would be a moose

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because they're like seven feet at the shoulder. I mean,

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I've had them run right behind me and it's amazing

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how big they were. And so I didn't know. And

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then and then she started saying describing that she'd seen

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something and it was white and the white was really clear.

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It was a bright sunny day, even though the sun's

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way low and horizon, but it was still bright. And

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she described as being very white, like noticeably white, like

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shining light, and as well as being tall, and she

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said there was something and it seemed to be looking

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from behind trees. And then she gradually started describing a

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creature with arms swinging, walking on two legs, which obviously

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is not a moose now. And she was totally fascinating,

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and we had very very different responses. And I immediately,

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and this is something which I'll always remember very clearly,

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she was just like standing there, almost like she got

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wants to go walking off in the direction of whatever

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this creature was. I simultaneously, in contrast, I had really

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I became overcome with a kind of panic. Now. I

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cannot exactly explain that, because if somebody told you that

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it was a really terrible looking, crazy thing out in

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the front yard and you looked out the window and

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you didn't see anything near, you probably wouldn't normally panic.

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So whether this is something that you can attribute to

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the stories that people say that a sasquatch can project

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sort of energy and create fear, and people didn't create

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it in her that created in the me. I was

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a really I was really really scared, and so I

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kind of like grabbed her by the hand and said, look,

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I think we better get out of here. It's time

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to move. She didn't want it to use is kind

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of like, why are you so freaked out? Way, you know,

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And I couldn't really explain it. But anyhow, I convinced

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that it was time. It was time to go, and

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so we moved. We headed up the path. Meanwhile, I'm thinking,

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because of my background in the subject from the years before,

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I hadn't thought about this, so it was the last

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thing on my mind at this point in my life.

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not only the course of evolution that I had taken

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back at Harvard all those years before, but even earlier

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when I was, you know, kind of interested in the

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stories of the abominables moment. So anyhow, we got back

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to the car, drove back to the place that we

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were living, which at the time was a in eighteenth

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century restored, very small house. It had been built by

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a saddle maker actually in the first year of George

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Washington's presidency, so it was and it was and the

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guy that owned it had restored it. So the environment

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was and it was right next to the edge of

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this other big, big forest, which in turn was next

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to the Cobbon Forest, so it was a real rural

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setting to put it mildly and kind of pick her

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esque or picturesque. And so she was all kind of

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like amazed, and and she has she's got more sensitivity

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and more she's got more abilities in some way than

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I do by a lot. She's also like one of

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those people is really smart in ways that I'm not,

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you know, one of those people that can do math

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and do all sorts of high science and everything really

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much more easily than I ever could. So she's she's

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the opposite of being flaky. She's very emotional, and empathic,

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but she's really really brilliant and in ways that I

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I'm not gifted in those ways. And then so she's

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the last thing from she's a very rational person. And

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so I just said, well, I immediately had thought sasquatch

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or something like that, because it's a subject type and

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interested in. So I said to myself, well, let's just

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google sasquatch at the Quabbin Reservoir. And we did that,

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and lo and behold were immediately taken to a video

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of some guy who seemed to be a little flaky

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to me, but he was talking to another guy who

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was just a local fisherman, your typical outdoors guy that

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likes to go fishing in the Crabbin. And that guy

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was explaining how he had been out in an area

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about a mile from where we were, you know, just

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one of his normal fishing excursions, and he had seen

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this creature that was very, very tall and walking on

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two legs with long arms and white walking through the woods. Now,

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the chances of somebody that we had never heard of

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or had no connection to, having a similar experience to

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what we had just had at that moment was a

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really overwhelming. She was overwhelmed. I was overwhelmed, and it

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really kind of blew our minds. We didn't know what

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to make of it. The next day, you know, I

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think it was a weekend day. I'm trying to remember,

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but we felt like we had to clear our heads

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and we wanted to go take a we wanted to

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go take a hike, but we did not want to

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go back to the cravin I was too freaked out,

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and I think she was a little freaked out. And yeah,

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I like to collect rocks, and so we went some

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really nice stream beds up the other side of the county,

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up in uh Well, actually the other side of the

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Connecticut River. There's some real beautiful deep ravines and creeks

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where you can it's really good rock collecting. And it

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was a beautiful day and it was warm, and it

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was well, we've still got to get outside and we'll

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just got to collect ourselves. So we drove up there

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just to do something different, but to keep you know,

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get not to let the sunny day pass us by.

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And so we got we got to this park part

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pull off spot and park the car, which in those

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days was a little red Honda CRV and old CRV

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and there was one of those steel fences you have

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to sort of, you know, hit yourself up and put

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your leg over and then get the other leg over.

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And I was just in the middle of getting over

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the fence, and then I could see that she was

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looking at the hood of the car and she said, hey,

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look at this, and and so I said, I said, okay.

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So I got back to the roadside of the fence

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and came over, and there on the hood of the

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car there was clearly it was fate and you could

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only see it when you had to get the light

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just right. But there looked to me to be an

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enormous handprint. Now this is the car that we had

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parked down at the corobin, you know, the day before,

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when we'd have this enormous, this completely weird experience. And

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I have pictures, they're in my book. I just whipped

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out my iPhone and took a couple of pictures of it.

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And you can see that hand and I'm not making

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this stuff up, and it's it's like twice as big

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as my hand, and you can it's it almost looks like, well,

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you know, if it's a sweaty day and your hands

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are dirty. You put your hands on a on a car, anybody,

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you'll see that you'll leave handprints on a car like fingerprints,

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only they're exaggerated under those circumstances. And so that was

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kind of the beginning of this whole journey. And it lasted.

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That was in September. It pretty much lasted for the

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next year. You know. She stayed in that house a

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little longer than I did. I moved out to another

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place back in the town of Northampton, but we always

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stayed very close and in touch, and and and even

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before while we were still there together or a lot

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of anomalous, strange experiences happened during that whole winter that

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followed the encounter, And that's kind of what this book

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is about. And to this day, I have a very

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hard time. The reason I say impossible being is because

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it's a being. It makes no sense there's something like

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this wandering around within ten miles of the University of

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Massachusetts and close to some pretty major towns, you know,

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And yet it makes no sense that random people are

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describing the same thing if it doesn't exist people who

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have no connection to each other, as we had no

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connection to those two people that we encountered in that video.

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It makes no sense that random people are describing the

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same thing if it doesn't have some existence in the

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real world. So we went through a whole series of

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bizarre things. Sometimes it seemed like there was a sort

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of a poltergeist like activity happening in the house. Donna

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occasionally found things that looked like little tokens. I came

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away believing that the interest that this creature had was

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in her and not in me. For sure, I think

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that she has a particular I mean, we do a

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lot of hiking together, and every time we hike, it

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always seems like the animals make themselves appear. She's got

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a very pure, benign presence, and I think she sort

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of brings out the wildlife. Creatures kind of trust her something,

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and when they see her, they recognize something. I don't know,

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I'm just wildly speculating, But I went through the up

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and downs of belief and disbelief and then, and frankly,

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in a way that I'm not really proud of, I

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became more public about it. Wes to her it was

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a private experience. I understand that now better than I

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did then. She didn't want to be blabbing on about

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it and uh, and I was, you know, all excited

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about what was going on. And to me, it answered

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a lot of questions that I'd always had based on

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my academic background on the subject years ago. But I

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feel like I was kind of insensitive on that front.

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But she had a deeper connection to what was going

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on in reality than I did. I was. I was

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more like the objective bystander making it during the narrative

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in some ways, like the guy Marlow and Conrad's novels

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about things going on ocean voyages. But at any rate,

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you know, to this day, I don't know exactly what

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to make of the experience except that a lot of

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strange stuff happened, and that's what I wrote about. I

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decided I would just keep a journal of it, and

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she did her own writing about it. And for a

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while we did these two parallel things, we wrote together,

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and then eventually I just we both we ended up

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doing our separate projects. She has done some writing about

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it herself, and I might send you the links to

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her stuff as well. To the extent that she wanted

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out there, I'm not sure about that. And at any rate,

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at times I really felt like we were under some

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kind of spell during that period, the period of that

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winter and on into the spring a little bit, and

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sometimes it would all seemed completely unreal. We had various

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weird encounters. I mean, I remember one in which I

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came back from working downtown and we both knew that

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simultaneously we had decided that we were going to go

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take a walk back to that part of the quad

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and where we haven't been in a long time. And

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we just knew it, and we barely had to speak

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to each other. We knew that we were going to

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go back there. Okay, we're going to go back there

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that day. And we went back there that day and

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then we uh, it was another beautiful day and it

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wasn't like there was anything completely strange going on. And

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we were walking along a trail and the uh, all

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of a sudden, I heard a whistle coming from our

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right as we were walking basically in the direction where

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we parked the car, and the whistle was louder than

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anything I've ever heard in my life. It was like

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a referee, you know, like a football referee whistle. You know,

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it's it's like there was a football referee about, you know,

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ten yards away in the underbrush. We couldn't see anything.

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Absolutely everything looked normal, didn't see anything. This enormous whistle

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erupted out of the brush and a flock of turkeys

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went scurrying across the road. That was it, just that

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one whistle, But that whistle was unlike anything I've ever heard.

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And then if you look at sasquatch or I didn't

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even realize this until after that fact, you find that

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Native Americans in the Northwest at least carved pictures of

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the sasquatch with its mouth or its lips pursed and whistling.

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Evidently that's part of this whole syndrome, er not syndrome,

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or this sole behavior pattern of whatever this creature is.

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And then there was sort of the what was a

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climax to me of that period of my life and

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our lives, you know, particularly for me. More things happened

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to her, and she, like I say, was in many

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ways more connected. So when I described those things in

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the book, I am sometimes I'm experiencing things, and but

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I was keeping a journal of events because I knew

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I would forget about this stuff. And even to to

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this day there's things I won't remember unless I go

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back and read it. So when I finished up the book,

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I edited for grammar and stuff like that. But I

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but I wasn't making stuff up that I hadn't recorded

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as it happened, because I knew it was also weird.

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It would go in money or out together or something

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like that. But what for me was kind of a

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climax was that at one point we were hiking back

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in this in the same gate they said, they call

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them gates. There's places where you can park a car

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and you can walk into the quad and it's it's

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open to fishing and recreational hiking. You can't take dogs

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in there. You have to have a license to go

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fishing or to or to do any boating. It's strictly

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regulated because it's a very ecologically sensitive place. So we're

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walking along the shoreline very near where this thing had happened,

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and all of a sudden they rocked. It was bigger

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than I could have frown, came sailing out through the

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trees and landed in the water with a big splash.

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I guess it was maybe thirty yards out in the water.

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And that was something that no mortal man could have

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ever done, you know, I'm sure of that, and that

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was another that was sort of for me, not necessarily

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for her. That was the last really concrete manifestation of

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this phenomenon. And then later I think, if I recall correctly,

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it's all there in the brook at the end, at

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the end of that summer when neither of us was

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living there again but occasionally would go back. At one

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point it seemed like there was another handprint on the car,

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which almost symbolically seemed like to me, it felt like

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a goodbye or the end of this bizarre experience, which

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I can't really explain because even though I can think

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of a quote theoretically what a safspotch is and look

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at it through the eyes of somebody that, you know,

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in another lifetime, I might have gone on and become

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an anthropologist or something. I was always into that stuff,

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you know, But that's not the way life worked out

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for me. But so it seems almost like a bookend

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to the experience of that first day and the second

458
00:29:33.960 --> 00:29:37.519
day where a handpri had appeared on the car. So

459
00:29:39.359 --> 00:29:43.440
that's kind of a nutshell summation of the whole thing.

460
00:29:45.200 --> 00:29:52.680
And it's interesting too that other reports historically have occurred

461
00:29:52.799 --> 00:29:58.519
in that same area. I did find out during this

462
00:29:58.759 --> 00:30:03.359
period that a guy who I was aware of, who

463
00:30:03.480 --> 00:30:09.400
was kind of it, was a very famous Harvard anthropologist

464
00:30:09.559 --> 00:30:16.079
named Carlton Kuhn, and he was a physical anthropologist, and

465
00:30:16.200 --> 00:30:18.400
he taught at Hardford for a number of years, long

466
00:30:18.480 --> 00:30:20.160
before I went there. I think he left in the

467
00:30:20.240 --> 00:30:24.759
fifties or retired or whatever he was. He had passed

468
00:30:24.759 --> 00:30:32.799
away before my time, but he became very interested in

469
00:30:32.920 --> 00:30:37.359
the subject, and based on reports that I eventually that

470
00:30:37.440 --> 00:30:40.720
I learned were maybe we're over the border in New Hampshire,

471
00:30:40.720 --> 00:30:43.960
about thirty miles away from where the quabin actually is.

472
00:30:45.319 --> 00:30:51.039
He'd gone out and had his own investigation, and he

473
00:30:53.160 --> 00:30:59.200
basically exploded somebody. Some campers had described having their camper

474
00:31:00.039 --> 00:31:02.680
ew camp or rocking back and forth when they woke

475
00:31:02.799 --> 00:31:06.559
up one morning like somebody big was pushing it around,

476
00:31:07.680 --> 00:31:10.920
and they freaked out and they said there were these

477
00:31:10.960 --> 00:31:15.400
big footprints and Carton Kuhn had heard enough of these stories,

478
00:31:15.440 --> 00:31:19.160
so he decided to go out that way and he

479
00:31:19.200 --> 00:31:26.960
took plaster casts of those footprints, and he eventually came

480
00:31:27.039 --> 00:31:29.759
to the conclusion consulting with some other people, I think

481
00:31:29.799 --> 00:31:33.279
a couple of other anthropologists in Pennsylvania, which was another

482
00:31:33.440 --> 00:31:38.000
hotspot traditionally. He came to the conclusion that he said, well,

483
00:31:38.160 --> 00:31:42.359
the most logical explanation is somewhere in in North America

484
00:31:43.880 --> 00:31:47.759
there is a small population of very big, really large,

485
00:31:48.799 --> 00:31:54.519
unidentified primates. That was a tenured professor at Harvard. Once again,

486
00:31:54.599 --> 00:31:57.000
he was not pop here. He was tenured, but he

487
00:31:57.200 --> 00:32:00.880
ruffled a lot of feathers. He was very politely incorrect

488
00:32:00.880 --> 00:32:04.559
because we talked about differences in different populations in terms

489
00:32:04.559 --> 00:32:08.200
of the physical and mental characteristics, and that was something

490
00:32:08.319 --> 00:32:13.559
that was politically as incorrect as you could get. And

491
00:32:14.960 --> 00:32:17.480
given the mixed up population we have on the planet,

492
00:32:17.559 --> 00:32:20.680
it doesn't really have any meaning anymore anyhow. So that

493
00:32:20.799 --> 00:32:24.720
was an interesting footnote to the whole thing. And so that,

494
00:32:24.920 --> 00:32:26.720
in a nutshell, is the story, and a lot of

495
00:32:26.759 --> 00:32:29.079
the weird stuff that happened in between is in the book,

496
00:32:29.279 --> 00:32:31.160
you know, blow by blow, day by day.

497
00:32:31.400 --> 00:32:34.640
It is really a fascinating story. And you're absolutely right,

498
00:32:34.759 --> 00:32:37.680
many more details, but I do have some questions for you.

499
00:32:37.880 --> 00:32:41.640
Absolutely just so the listener knows what year did this

500
00:32:41.759 --> 00:32:42.440
start to happen?

501
00:32:44.240 --> 00:32:48.960
This whole long series of encounters it happened started in

502
00:32:49.279 --> 00:32:56.799
September twenty fourteen, and by twenty and fifteen we had

503
00:32:56.839 --> 00:32:59.559
both moved to different places. We were always in touch

504
00:32:59.720 --> 00:33:01.880
today to day we still will go back and pay

505
00:33:01.960 --> 00:33:08.960
hikes there, you know, and but but it was so

506
00:33:09.079 --> 00:33:14.200
it was basically the intense part, particularly for me, was

507
00:33:14.319 --> 00:33:18.960
sort of the autumn, early autumn of twenty fourteen all

508
00:33:19.000 --> 00:33:25.480
the way through the following year. And it's those dates

509
00:33:25.519 --> 00:33:27.319
are right there. I think the dates are right in

510
00:33:27.400 --> 00:33:32.599
the book there. So so that's that's that's the time frame.

511
00:33:32.720 --> 00:33:39.599
Yeah, you mentioned that Donna at points would find tokens

512
00:33:40.359 --> 00:33:42.920
around different areas. Can you share a little bit about

513
00:33:42.960 --> 00:33:45.720
what kind of things were maybe being left in a

514
00:33:45.839 --> 00:33:46.720
gifting situation?

515
00:33:47.880 --> 00:33:51.039
I remember, I think there were once there was Sometimes

516
00:33:51.119 --> 00:33:54.599
it would just be a really interesting little rock. It

517
00:33:54.720 --> 00:33:59.000
looked kind of like gem like and we can't we

518
00:33:59.079 --> 00:34:01.319
couldn't tell. And she he's the last person in the

519
00:34:01.359 --> 00:34:04.559
world who would say, oh, I can disprove that somebody was,

520
00:34:05.319 --> 00:34:08.599
you know, this amazing creature was giving me gifts. She's

521
00:34:08.679 --> 00:34:13.440
not trying. Once again, this woman is as rational and

522
00:34:14.119 --> 00:34:19.000
academically brilliant as you're going to find. Takes my butt

523
00:34:19.039 --> 00:34:23.159
all the time. Anyhow, but they did show up. And

524
00:34:23.239 --> 00:34:26.000
the other thing was blue jay feathers, which seemed to

525
00:34:26.039 --> 00:34:28.840
show up when you weren't expecting them, and that seemed

526
00:34:28.840 --> 00:34:31.800
to be happening. And there was another guy we mentioned that,

527
00:34:32.079 --> 00:34:35.440
another guy. We ran into this other guy, I can't

528
00:34:35.480 --> 00:34:38.199
even remember now how we ran into him, and he

529
00:34:38.400 --> 00:34:42.039
was going through similar experiences and he had had another

530
00:34:43.159 --> 00:34:46.880
he had had another sighting of something big and white

531
00:34:47.079 --> 00:34:50.760
at the quabin, and somebody put us in touch with him.

532
00:34:50.800 --> 00:34:53.440
I've lost track of him. I think that she may

533
00:34:53.519 --> 00:34:56.400
still be in touch with him periodically, and all of

534
00:34:56.480 --> 00:35:01.079
our lives have changed dramatically, you know, since those days.

535
00:35:01.280 --> 00:35:06.920
There was one point when you know, she had sort

536
00:35:06.960 --> 00:35:12.679
of symbolically left a necklace sort of buried in a

537
00:35:12.760 --> 00:35:18.800
spot where nobody would find it, and when we went

538
00:35:18.920 --> 00:35:22.079
back there, it was gone. And I don't know how

539
00:35:22.119 --> 00:35:25.960
that was gone. You know, there was there was a

540
00:35:26.079 --> 00:35:32.480
time when and there's pictures of this in the book

541
00:35:32.599 --> 00:35:40.519
there where there was a one of the trails that

542
00:35:40.599 --> 00:35:44.440
we typically took because we were always hiking in these areas.

543
00:35:44.480 --> 00:35:48.280
These were like this was you know, how we spent

544
00:35:48.400 --> 00:35:52.039
free time. We would hike and explore the countryside and

545
00:35:54.440 --> 00:35:58.639
There was one time when there was a tree. It's

546
00:35:58.679 --> 00:36:00.960
a little it was. It was a young beech tree.

547
00:36:01.800 --> 00:36:03.719
It was a sapling, but it was big. It was

548
00:36:03.800 --> 00:36:06.519
like maybe three and a half, probably four to five

549
00:36:06.599 --> 00:36:11.119
inches wide. Something had taken that tree and bend it

550
00:36:11.280 --> 00:36:18.360
with such force that the bark split vertically up and

551
00:36:18.440 --> 00:36:23.199
the tree was down across the road. It was almost like, folks,

552
00:36:23.559 --> 00:36:26.960
stay away from here, just don't come down here for

553
00:36:27.039 --> 00:36:30.880
a while. Okay. It was a healthy tree, the wood

554
00:36:31.039 --> 00:36:34.840
was green. And I don't even know. I mean, I

555
00:36:34.880 --> 00:36:36.440
don't even know how you could do that. If you

556
00:36:36.480 --> 00:36:38.880
had a bacco, you bet you might end up pulling

557
00:36:38.920 --> 00:36:40.840
the roots up before you'd break a tree like that.

558
00:36:41.599 --> 00:36:45.320
The force it would take to break a young, healthy

559
00:36:45.400 --> 00:36:48.440
beach tree, to just bend it to the point where

560
00:36:48.480 --> 00:36:53.079
it actually splits vertically, you know, up and down part

561
00:36:53.119 --> 00:36:56.199
of its trunk in order to bend. I mean, I

562
00:36:56.320 --> 00:37:00.280
can't explain that. I can't say that the sasquatch did it,

563
00:37:01.199 --> 00:37:05.119
you know, but it did seem to be symbolic. And

564
00:37:08.320 --> 00:37:10.360
that's all I can tell you. I just don't know.

565
00:37:11.800 --> 00:37:12.760
I mean, it's it's.

566
00:37:14.159 --> 00:37:18.039
From from what I remember from the book, So I

567
00:37:18.119 --> 00:37:21.039
believe the gentleman you're talking about. It also had the

568
00:37:21.119 --> 00:37:23.840
white Sasquatch sighting in the quab and his name was

569
00:37:23.920 --> 00:37:26.840
Matt and I think you had you had met him

570
00:37:26.920 --> 00:37:30.639
through Jonathan Wilke with the bf o O and Squatch

571
00:37:30.679 --> 00:37:31.320
a Chusets.

572
00:37:31.400 --> 00:37:33.559
Yeah, yes, that's right, that's right.

573
00:37:35.360 --> 00:37:38.239
Which I mean that that group, a squatch a chuses

574
00:37:38.239 --> 00:37:43.960
group does great work. Love those guys and if they're listening,

575
00:37:44.519 --> 00:37:46.920
I would love to talk to anyone from that group.

576
00:37:47.880 --> 00:37:52.039
H Now, something I've heard in you know, I've taken

577
00:37:52.159 --> 00:37:55.119
lots of reports, a few reports from Massachusetts over the years.

578
00:37:57.239 --> 00:38:00.320
Have you ever heard of any bigfoot sightings in this

579
00:38:00.519 --> 00:38:04.199
area of the Kabbin where it resembles more of a

580
00:38:04.360 --> 00:38:05.639
rangutan look at all.

581
00:38:07.920 --> 00:38:12.400
No, I don't not to No, I don't think I've

582
00:38:12.440 --> 00:38:16.519
heard of that. I have heard of people, just people,

583
00:38:17.159 --> 00:38:19.880
and some of this goes back historically quite a long

584
00:38:19.960 --> 00:38:24.960
time too. But I have heard of people. The idea

585
00:38:25.000 --> 00:38:29.599
of a white white one was not expected that that

586
00:38:29.679 --> 00:38:32.840
would seem to be rare, although there's millions of creatures

587
00:38:33.239 --> 00:38:36.159
will sometimes be white and sometimes the other colors, so

588
00:38:36.280 --> 00:38:41.639
that's not, you know, that odd a thing. But I've

589
00:38:41.679 --> 00:38:46.079
heard of other dark brown colored ones that other people

590
00:38:46.199 --> 00:38:50.239
claim to have seen, you know. And then I do

591
00:38:50.400 --> 00:38:52.119
mention in the book too that there is a long

592
00:38:52.320 --> 00:38:56.679
history of this in New England, uh way, going all

593
00:38:56.719 --> 00:39:03.079
the way back into a native Native law. So it's

594
00:39:04.559 --> 00:39:07.400
it's not whatever the phenomenon is. It's not just the

595
00:39:07.480 --> 00:39:08.159
west coast.

596
00:39:08.679 --> 00:39:12.039
Oh, absolutely, there's a lot that goes on in the northeast.

597
00:39:13.079 --> 00:39:16.679
The orangutan type one i'd heard from an individual is

598
00:39:16.760 --> 00:39:21.760
actually a southern Coobin area around Route nine, kind of

599
00:39:21.800 --> 00:39:28.320
by the Herman Covey WMA was crossing the road there. Now,

600
00:39:28.599 --> 00:39:32.960
do you have any thoughts at all? Do you think

601
00:39:33.000 --> 00:39:36.199
there might be a possibility that sasquatch has a connection

602
00:39:36.400 --> 00:39:39.920
to music or musical patterns or anything like that.

603
00:39:44.199 --> 00:39:47.639
Well, the only thing that I can tell you in

604
00:39:47.760 --> 00:39:54.599
regard to that is I have no idea. But and

605
00:39:54.719 --> 00:39:58.280
I think I mentioned this in the book, there was

606
00:39:58.360 --> 00:40:00.440
a night I know that we were both at least

607
00:40:00.480 --> 00:40:02.920
that night we were both staying in that old house

608
00:40:02.960 --> 00:40:07.199
there in Pellum, and and I had a musical gig

609
00:40:07.280 --> 00:40:09.960
at a musical festival. Because you know, I've been a

610
00:40:10.039 --> 00:40:12.039
musician and I've done a lot of record albums over

611
00:40:12.039 --> 00:40:14.960
the years, and this is the last thing that's connected

612
00:40:15.000 --> 00:40:19.000
to the sasquatch world, you know. But I was a

613
00:40:19.159 --> 00:40:22.920
guest with a pretty well known jam band called Max Creek,

614
00:40:23.679 --> 00:40:28.559
and they were headlining this big festival. They were One

615
00:40:28.599 --> 00:40:31.119
of their trademark songs is a sort of a trademark

616
00:40:31.360 --> 00:40:35.400
song on my own cable Stones and Brooken Bones. I

617
00:40:35.559 --> 00:40:39.679
was up there playing that song, you know, and with

618
00:40:39.840 --> 00:40:42.960
that group, and it has a very distinctive rhythm pattern.

619
00:40:43.039 --> 00:40:46.760
It's one two three three, one two three four or

620
00:40:46.800 --> 00:40:52.360
five six seven eight one two three. It's a distinctive meter.

621
00:40:54.639 --> 00:41:00.599
And there was this tapping outside the house about the

622
00:41:00.639 --> 00:41:04.440
same time I was playing this tune with his band

623
00:41:04.519 --> 00:41:08.760
at a festival. Supposedly there was this tapping. It was

624
00:41:08.800 --> 00:41:12.719
in the same rhythm, and Donna was making note of it.

625
00:41:13.000 --> 00:41:16.119
Neither of us put it together for a while. There

626
00:41:16.199 --> 00:41:20.199
was this weird rhythmic tapping outside the old house, and

627
00:41:20.360 --> 00:41:23.199
I was playing a song that is based on that

628
00:41:23.440 --> 00:41:26.880
one riff rhythmically riff if you were to write it out.

629
00:41:27.519 --> 00:41:32.719
And that's I mean, that's the only thing I've never

630
00:41:32.760 --> 00:41:37.400
even thought about Bigfoot or sasquatch or any of this

631
00:41:37.480 --> 00:41:42.599
stuff in relation to music. You know, but music is

632
00:41:42.880 --> 00:41:46.320
kind of universal across a lot of different creatures probably,

633
00:41:46.440 --> 00:41:49.079
I think, and as you know, maybe there there was

634
00:41:49.199 --> 00:41:52.239
more and more evidence that some earlier forms of manly

635
00:41:52.440 --> 00:41:55.360
even Neanderthal a period of maybe had some kind of

636
00:41:55.440 --> 00:41:59.199
interest in music or even I think that's one of

637
00:41:59.239 --> 00:42:03.159
the newer ideas as it's south here. So but yeah,

638
00:42:03.199 --> 00:42:04.760
that's all I like, that's all I know about that.

639
00:42:04.880 --> 00:42:05.599
I have no idea.

640
00:42:05.920 --> 00:42:09.239
Yeah, it is a thing where it kind of comes

641
00:42:09.360 --> 00:42:12.239
up in different ways and reports like sometimes people will

642
00:42:12.320 --> 00:42:15.960
hear what they what to them sounds like singing in

643
00:42:16.039 --> 00:42:20.840
different parts of the US and and bigfoot related areas,

644
00:42:20.920 --> 00:42:24.199
and sometimes you know, if you hear wooden knocks through

645
00:42:25.000 --> 00:42:27.920
there usually be in a pattern of three. And that's

646
00:42:28.360 --> 00:42:32.480
me speaking from experience. Uh, it's it's pretty weird stuff.

647
00:42:33.199 --> 00:42:37.000
So I don't know. There might be something there for sure. Now,

648
00:42:38.159 --> 00:42:41.239
you know, you've been looking into the subject for for

649
00:42:41.360 --> 00:42:45.719
a long time and you kind of alluded it, alluded

650
00:42:45.800 --> 00:42:48.719
to it a little bit. So you have you heard

651
00:42:49.559 --> 00:42:52.519
bigfoot reports from other people in the area that you've

652
00:42:52.639 --> 00:42:55.679
talked to, maybe people working out in the forests or

653
00:42:55.840 --> 00:42:56.280
things like that.

654
00:42:58.360 --> 00:43:03.480
I haven't heard anything recent but my life has taken

655
00:43:03.559 --> 00:43:06.840
me in very very different directions, you know. I mean,

656
00:43:06.880 --> 00:43:10.440
we've had so much crazy history in the years between, oh,

657
00:43:10.599 --> 00:43:13.960
the last ten years. I mean think about it, between

658
00:43:14.000 --> 00:43:16.480
all of the crazy times and all of the other

659
00:43:16.559 --> 00:43:24.199
stuff going on, you know, and the only every once

660
00:43:24.239 --> 00:43:27.760
in a while we still run into really weird stick structures.

661
00:43:30.039 --> 00:43:34.239
As a matter of fact, I know we were hiking

662
00:43:35.440 --> 00:43:40.920
in an area well you maybe remember, well, you know,

663
00:43:41.039 --> 00:43:43.480
the whole malholy Opra Range and Mount Tom and all

664
00:43:43.519 --> 00:43:43.880
that stuff.

665
00:43:43.920 --> 00:43:46.000
Absolutely, there's lots of stuff that happens up there.

666
00:43:46.119 --> 00:43:51.840
Yeah, yeah, because there have been I had This isn't new,

667
00:43:52.039 --> 00:43:55.360
but back when this was happening, there were reports coming

668
00:43:55.440 --> 00:44:00.679
from there about really weird screams and you know, the

669
00:44:00.800 --> 00:44:02.960
kind of sounds that I don't think they would have

670
00:44:03.000 --> 00:44:05.679
come from a cruder or a mountain lion. They do

671
00:44:05.840 --> 00:44:08.800
occasionally show up here. There's too much proof in that.

672
00:44:08.920 --> 00:44:11.000
They don't like to admit it, but they're out there.

673
00:44:11.039 --> 00:44:14.639
I know. I can't count on both hands all the

674
00:44:14.679 --> 00:44:16.360
people I know that have seen them, and I've even

675
00:44:16.400 --> 00:44:19.880
seen pictures that people have taken things smift apart, you know.

676
00:44:19.960 --> 00:44:23.159
And I know that our friend Matt has drifted off.

677
00:44:23.280 --> 00:44:24.920
I haven't talked to him in a few years now,

678
00:44:27.719 --> 00:44:32.519
the only and a couple of things. And I'm speaking

679
00:44:33.039 --> 00:44:36.039
purely for myself. This is not for her or for

680
00:44:36.159 --> 00:44:41.320
anybody else. But there was a period when all this

681
00:44:41.559 --> 00:44:43.480
was happening where I kind of felt like I was

682
00:44:43.599 --> 00:44:46.880
under some kind of a spell. Now people could jump

683
00:44:46.920 --> 00:44:49.599
at that and say, well, that just shows you because

684
00:44:49.639 --> 00:44:53.159
you were like imagining everything and your psyche was creating

685
00:44:53.199 --> 00:44:57.599
all this. Well the psyche didn't. My psyche didn't bend

686
00:44:57.639 --> 00:44:59.840
that birch tree over the road, and it didn't throw

687
00:44:59.880 --> 00:45:03.119
that stone, which I could barely lift thirty yards out

688
00:45:03.159 --> 00:45:06.199
into the water through the trees from god knows how

689
00:45:06.280 --> 00:45:08.679
far away. So I don't know what to make of that,

690
00:45:09.480 --> 00:45:13.719
but I can say that when I have gone back

691
00:45:13.760 --> 00:45:16.320
to some of these same places, everything seems like it's

692
00:45:16.480 --> 00:45:20.519
returned to normal, at least in recent times. That could

693
00:45:20.639 --> 00:45:25.519
change at a moment's notice. I have no idea. I

694
00:45:25.679 --> 00:45:34.280
had one weird experience in Connecticut years A couple of

695
00:45:34.400 --> 00:45:38.679
years after that, I was visiting my daughter and she

696
00:45:38.840 --> 00:45:46.920
had at a little small dog and she'd rented. It

697
00:45:47.000 --> 00:45:49.519
was a pretty little funky ass, but she likes out

698
00:45:49.559 --> 00:45:51.119
of doors do, and it was on a nice piece

699
00:45:51.159 --> 00:45:53.519
of property. And one night the dog went running off

700
00:45:53.519 --> 00:45:56.599
into the woods, yapping and barking and coming like going

701
00:45:56.719 --> 00:46:00.360
like crazy, you know, and she had injured foot. I

702
00:46:00.400 --> 00:46:01.880
think you had a legging or her foot in the

703
00:46:02.000 --> 00:46:05.000
cast and she think she broke a bone in her foot, right,

704
00:46:05.559 --> 00:46:07.400
And I said, so, okay, I'll go try to find

705
00:46:07.440 --> 00:46:12.440
the dog for you. And I went out there, and

706
00:46:12.519 --> 00:46:15.400
I never found the dog, but I shined this light

707
00:46:16.159 --> 00:46:18.320
and then I saw these two eyes staring at me

708
00:46:18.400 --> 00:46:21.880
from the woods. This was near Litchfield, Connecticut, where there

709
00:46:21.960 --> 00:46:27.760
have been some weird things, you know. And at first

710
00:46:27.840 --> 00:46:30.039
I thought, oh, that's some kind of a reflectors on

711
00:46:30.119 --> 00:46:33.280
a roads, on a sign or something, because I mean,

712
00:46:33.360 --> 00:46:36.679
this is an area that was surrounded by malls and

713
00:46:36.760 --> 00:46:39.079
shopping centers, even though there was a lot of land

714
00:46:39.159 --> 00:46:42.599
in this one little patchect ground. And I remember seeing

715
00:46:42.639 --> 00:46:47.239
these two It looked like two eyes staring and I thought, well,

716
00:46:47.280 --> 00:46:50.519
that's just reflectors on something. There's nothing, because it was

717
00:46:50.599 --> 00:46:52.480
way high up. It was like seven feet off the

718
00:46:52.519 --> 00:46:56.039
ground anyhow. And so I put the flashlight then and

719
00:46:56.119 --> 00:46:59.039
I couldn't find the dog, and then I shined it

720
00:46:59.119 --> 00:47:01.119
back there, and I did that a couple of times,

721
00:47:01.519 --> 00:47:03.719
and the eyes didn't move. And then the third time,

722
00:47:03.880 --> 00:47:07.000
I raised the flashlight beam and shined it into the woods,

723
00:47:07.800 --> 00:47:10.840
and then I saw the two eyes. It looked like eyes,

724
00:47:10.920 --> 00:47:13.079
and they looked like they were staring at me. And

725
00:47:13.239 --> 00:47:19.639
then they turned, just the way two horizontally spaced eyes

726
00:47:19.679 --> 00:47:23.480
would turn, so that visually the distance between the two

727
00:47:23.559 --> 00:47:28.800
points narrowed. And then I heard something slowly moving through

728
00:47:28.840 --> 00:47:31.360
the trees. It sounded like it was on two feet.

729
00:47:31.840 --> 00:47:36.400
I had no idea what that was. Maybe it was

730
00:47:36.440 --> 00:47:37.800
a deer and there was a little bit of a

731
00:47:37.880 --> 00:47:40.840
higher ground there. I don't know. I didn't see any

732
00:47:40.880 --> 00:47:43.239
high ground when I went back the next day. That

733
00:47:43.440 --> 00:47:49.639
was one weird experience. And then another time in the

734
00:47:49.800 --> 00:47:53.760
two years afterwards or so, my daughter and I walked

735
00:47:53.920 --> 00:47:58.639
back to the quab and hiked around there for a while.

736
00:47:58.760 --> 00:48:00.480
We were hiking the same year where a lot of

737
00:48:00.519 --> 00:48:03.320
this stuff had happened, and my daughter is kind of

738
00:48:03.440 --> 00:48:07.719
like psychic, said she thought there was something interesting, and

739
00:48:07.920 --> 00:48:10.440
we climbed up this rough bank and we found this

740
00:48:10.679 --> 00:48:15.400
very interesting stick structure. It just made no sense because

741
00:48:16.320 --> 00:48:19.320
it was not something that it wasn't that big, but

742
00:48:19.400 --> 00:48:23.239
it was very it was a bundant obviously it had

743
00:48:23.280 --> 00:48:25.920
been made, and we couldn't see any purpose for it,

744
00:48:26.639 --> 00:48:28.920
I mean, why anybody had done it. And it wasn't

745
00:48:28.960 --> 00:48:33.480
in a place that anybody would logically see and because

746
00:48:33.519 --> 00:48:37.320
it was an odd place that you wouldn't typically walk

747
00:48:37.599 --> 00:48:40.599
through or around or see it, so that was weird.

748
00:48:42.360 --> 00:48:44.760
And then she was kind of like on some vendor

749
00:48:44.920 --> 00:48:48.880
for exploring, and the reservoir was lower at that time,

750
00:48:48.960 --> 00:48:50.800
and we went out onto a point of wand that

751
00:48:50.960 --> 00:48:56.079
was normally under a few feet of water. And I

752
00:48:56.159 --> 00:48:58.639
have pictures of this. This happened after the books, so

753
00:48:58.800 --> 00:49:02.599
there's nothing in the there's nothing in the book about it.

754
00:49:03.320 --> 00:49:09.880
But there was this these footprints, and it was very

755
00:49:10.000 --> 00:49:13.679
muddy so you couldn't couldn't tell and they were really

756
00:49:13.840 --> 00:49:18.079
really deep. I mean they were like really deep, and

757
00:49:18.239 --> 00:49:20.920
they were about the general shape of a very like

758
00:49:21.360 --> 00:49:24.599
a giant human footprint, but it was too muddy to

759
00:49:24.679 --> 00:49:27.880
see them clearly down there. But it was like one

760
00:49:28.360 --> 00:49:34.639
to one two and I you know, well, moose tracks

761
00:49:34.679 --> 00:49:37.079
are abundant in the same they were all over the

762
00:49:37.159 --> 00:49:39.760
same area. They're very very different they look like a

763
00:49:39.840 --> 00:49:43.880
horse or a deer, you know, they're undulate tracks. I

764
00:49:44.000 --> 00:49:45.840
had no idea what the heck that was. They were

765
00:49:45.920 --> 00:49:49.119
bigger than they They were bigger than even a sasquatch

766
00:49:49.159 --> 00:49:51.159
footprint could have been. I have no idea what it was.

767
00:49:51.719 --> 00:49:56.639
But they really looked like some sort of generally human

768
00:49:56.719 --> 00:50:00.880
shaped footprint. But the bottoms were obscured because it was,

769
00:50:01.000 --> 00:50:04.119
you know, slushy. But it wasn't it wasn't that slushy.

770
00:50:04.199 --> 00:50:07.000
I mean, you still had to be very heavy. They

771
00:50:07.000 --> 00:50:09.519
would press it that far down because there were moose

772
00:50:09.599 --> 00:50:12.719
tracks from the same period, and the moose track is

773
00:50:12.719 --> 00:50:16.320
a much smaller track, and the moose is a big animal,

774
00:50:17.039 --> 00:50:20.239
and they were nowhere near us deep not even I

775
00:50:20.639 --> 00:50:24.960
don't know what that was. I have no idea, you know,

776
00:50:26.039 --> 00:50:29.599
maybe maybe it was a sasquatch, who knows. What.

777
00:50:29.840 --> 00:50:33.519
How what length would you estimate the tracks to be?

778
00:50:35.159 --> 00:50:37.519
They were like over twenty inches, Wow.

779
00:50:37.400 --> 00:50:42.920
That's like Pacific Northwest sides. Dude, three inches yeah.

780
00:50:42.920 --> 00:50:46.320
And they were like and they were like four feet

781
00:50:46.480 --> 00:50:47.760
up astride.

782
00:50:49.119 --> 00:50:52.519
Okay, something like that. But were they in a straight line?

783
00:50:52.760 --> 00:50:54.800
Yeah, No, they were basically in a straight line. They

784
00:50:54.920 --> 00:50:59.280
came up. They came up, there was a channel, there

785
00:50:59.400 --> 00:51:02.519
was woods on one side. We're hunting and fishing and everything.

786
00:51:02.760 --> 00:51:05.440
You're not supposed to go there. There's a big area

787
00:51:05.480 --> 00:51:08.039
of the crobin which is off limits. I think they

788
00:51:08.119 --> 00:51:11.159
give like twenty deer permits a year or something you

789
00:51:11.239 --> 00:51:14.000
can buy if you want to, but it's off limits

790
00:51:14.039 --> 00:51:16.239
to hunting and fishing and everything. You're not You're just

791
00:51:16.320 --> 00:51:20.800
supposed to stay away from there. And there's a there

792
00:51:20.880 --> 00:51:23.039
was a stream. There was a feeder stream that came

793
00:51:23.079 --> 00:51:26.480
into the reservoir at this area, and there was a

794
00:51:26.639 --> 00:51:32.119
channel coming out of that feeder stream, and the tracks

795
00:51:33.679 --> 00:51:37.119
emerged out of that channel, coming from the direction of

796
00:51:37.280 --> 00:51:42.559
the Prescott Peninsula. They came up onto this point of land,

797
00:51:42.679 --> 00:51:45.159
which isn't always there, only there when they lower the

798
00:51:45.199 --> 00:51:49.519
reservoir enough. Then they proceeded out the length of the

799
00:51:49.599 --> 00:51:55.239
peninsula and then they just like walked off into the water.

800
00:51:55.719 --> 00:51:56.920
It was a very weird thing.

801
00:51:57.840 --> 00:52:01.199
So you're saying, you're really like, that's not public access.

802
00:52:01.400 --> 00:52:01.960
I didn't know that.

803
00:52:03.360 --> 00:52:06.639
Yeah, No, that that area is. It's not public access.

804
00:52:08.039 --> 00:52:10.159
Most of it's off limits. You're not supposed to go

805
00:52:10.280 --> 00:52:15.239
there without a special permit or you know, and I

806
00:52:15.400 --> 00:52:19.119
know that there are certain I think that a certain

807
00:52:19.199 --> 00:52:21.960
number of hunting licenses are giving out for that area.

808
00:52:22.000 --> 00:52:24.239
At least they were because they were concerned about their

809
00:52:24.280 --> 00:52:30.159
beatom many dear. Sure, but I don't think anything else. Yeah,

810
00:52:30.239 --> 00:52:33.199
I think that's the extent of it. There's only certain

811
00:52:33.280 --> 00:52:36.920
parts of the quadum where you're allowed to fish, Okay, yeah,

812
00:52:36.960 --> 00:52:38.840
I mean they're strict about it, and they even patrol

813
00:52:38.920 --> 00:52:43.960
it with boats. Like if you if you're doing stuff

814
00:52:44.000 --> 00:52:45.960
you're not supposed to be doing, they'll bust you. You know,

815
00:52:46.079 --> 00:52:48.960
they don't want you in every area. Yeah.

816
00:52:49.039 --> 00:52:52.639
Absolutely, I would say listeners, you definitely want to do

817
00:52:52.679 --> 00:52:57.159
your due diligence to always look at areas and see

818
00:52:57.239 --> 00:53:00.400
what the limitations are that you can lead really go

819
00:53:00.599 --> 00:53:05.639
to before you just go to an area. So doing

820
00:53:05.800 --> 00:53:08.840
due diligences, make sure you look look it up yourself

821
00:53:08.960 --> 00:53:13.320
with your your local law enforcement. But wow, Oh and

822
00:53:13.480 --> 00:53:15.400
there's one last question, and thank you so much for

823
00:53:15.480 --> 00:53:19.119
your for your time today, John. But and this has

824
00:53:19.199 --> 00:53:22.440
already been asked, but I'm kind of also asking it

825
00:53:22.519 --> 00:53:28.239
for the listeners as well. If there is anyone that

826
00:53:28.440 --> 00:53:32.599
has ever heard anything Bigfoot related or experienced anything Bigfoot

827
00:53:32.639 --> 00:53:37.639
related in the Franklin County area. I would love to

828
00:53:37.719 --> 00:53:39.480
talk to you about it, and I would love if

829
00:53:39.559 --> 00:53:43.360
you could reach out to me Bigfoot Society at gmail

830
00:53:43.400 --> 00:53:46.920
dot com. One day I will have an episode that

831
00:53:47.000 --> 00:53:49.320
I'll be able to say, yes, that happened in Franklin County.

832
00:53:49.400 --> 00:53:51.679
This kind of a thing I'm working towards. So it

833
00:53:51.840 --> 00:53:57.000
sounds like you haven't really heard anything from that area yourself, though, correct.

834
00:53:57.960 --> 00:54:06.320
You know, I am trying to remember, because you're jogging

835
00:54:06.440 --> 00:54:08.719
my memory now, because as I've said, my life has

836
00:54:08.840 --> 00:54:13.000
moved on into so many other different subjects and I've

837
00:54:13.039 --> 00:54:18.039
got other book projects that I've been involved with and

838
00:54:18.159 --> 00:54:21.079
for a while, you know, during the most of the

839
00:54:21.199 --> 00:54:26.000
time between when this happened and now, I was a

840
00:54:26.039 --> 00:54:29.320
writer in residence at an Astaraic house in Amherst, which

841
00:54:29.360 --> 00:54:34.519
has basically been devoted to poets and writers of actually

842
00:54:34.559 --> 00:54:36.760
writers of poetry, and I did do a book of poetry.

843
00:54:36.800 --> 00:54:39.400
And I have been a songwriter, and that was, you know,

844
00:54:39.880 --> 00:54:46.119
that kind of work was what I my own younger days.

845
00:54:46.159 --> 00:54:48.920
And I studied English literature, That's what I studied. I

846
00:54:49.079 --> 00:54:53.840
was fascinated with anthropology. I studied at Harvard, but I

847
00:54:53.960 --> 00:54:56.280
wasn't one of the guys that majored in that stuff

848
00:54:56.320 --> 00:55:01.280
or anything like that. So but something is I'm seem

849
00:55:01.519 --> 00:55:07.840
to remember something about Northfield, your own hometown, which is

850
00:55:07.960 --> 00:55:15.000
a very wild place. It is. Yeah, I mean that's wild, rugged,

851
00:55:15.400 --> 00:55:18.039
strange country and a lot of it's swampy and boggy.

852
00:55:19.559 --> 00:55:25.719
So I do know your area there, and maybe I'll

853
00:55:25.760 --> 00:55:27.800
email you if that comes back in there.

854
00:55:28.000 --> 00:55:32.199
Such a such an interesting conversation, you know, John Cosser,

855
00:55:32.760 --> 00:55:35.840
thank you so much for coming on the show. I

856
00:55:35.960 --> 00:55:40.920
really hope that people, you know, take a look at

857
00:55:41.159 --> 00:55:44.639
your book, Convergence Encounters with an Impossible Being. It really

858
00:55:44.719 --> 00:55:48.320
is a fascinating read. I highly enjoyed it. You can

859
00:55:48.440 --> 00:55:50.280
get it as an ebook or you can get it

860
00:55:50.320 --> 00:55:53.199
as a physical copy on Amazon. I really recommend people

861
00:55:53.679 --> 00:55:57.000
pick up a copy. It is a cool read about

862
00:55:57.000 --> 00:56:00.519
an area where there's not a lot of big related

863
00:56:00.599 --> 00:56:03.159
things written, So definitely recommend to pick it up. But,

864
00:56:03.519 --> 00:56:06.000
you know, thank you so much. John. Is there a

865
00:56:06.079 --> 00:56:07.679
way for people to check out your music?

866
00:56:07.920 --> 00:56:10.440
I'm not hard to find online. I mean my music

867
00:56:10.599 --> 00:56:13.360
is it John Coster, which is just j O H

868
00:56:13.480 --> 00:56:18.000
N C O S T E. R. John crostermusic dot com.

869
00:56:19.039 --> 00:56:21.480
And there are albums are there are links to albums

870
00:56:21.519 --> 00:56:24.880
and you can buy albums there and you can in

871
00:56:24.960 --> 00:56:26.840
some cases you can go to places where you can

872
00:56:26.920 --> 00:56:31.320
download them and stuff like that. Yeah, and also I

873
00:56:31.400 --> 00:56:33.079
think there are links to this book and to the

874
00:56:33.159 --> 00:56:36.800
poetry book. And that's what my life has been about.

875
00:56:36.800 --> 00:56:41.679
It's been about writing and doing music. And so this

876
00:56:41.960 --> 00:56:45.920
was not something I ever expected to be. I'd never expected.

877
00:56:46.119 --> 00:56:50.239
As a matter of fact, I was really beginning to

878
00:56:50.320 --> 00:56:54.159
do a whole other historical book based on a box

879
00:56:54.199 --> 00:56:58.280
of letters, of Revolutionary War letters. I still haven't gotten

880
00:56:58.320 --> 00:57:01.000
it done because so many things keep between me and it,

881
00:57:01.119 --> 00:57:05.239
it seems. But I love the out of doors and

882
00:57:06.559 --> 00:57:12.239
New England is actually an unusual place because people don't

883
00:57:12.280 --> 00:57:15.519
think about New England oftentimes as big and a lot

884
00:57:15.559 --> 00:57:18.119
of it's really overbuilt, lower parts of it and everything,

885
00:57:18.239 --> 00:57:22.119
but a lot of the ecology in New England is

886
00:57:23.719 --> 00:57:28.320
pretty robust. I live now. Actually, where I'm living now

887
00:57:28.440 --> 00:57:30.960
is out in a place called Shootsbury, which is once again,

888
00:57:31.199 --> 00:57:34.119
I'm probably only four three or four miles as the

889
00:57:34.159 --> 00:57:37.000
crow flies from where all this stuff happened years ago,

890
00:57:38.760 --> 00:57:45.400
and it's a beautiful countryside. It was heavily heavily logged

891
00:57:45.480 --> 00:57:49.159
over and cut down and sheep farms were everywhere back

892
00:57:49.159 --> 00:57:52.000
one hundred and fifty even two hundred years ago, and

893
00:57:52.079 --> 00:57:54.280
a lot of the forest has come back in New England,

894
00:57:54.320 --> 00:57:57.320
and New England has a lot of wildlife, and there

895
00:57:57.320 --> 00:57:59.719
are a lot of pockets that are pretty equy, echo

896
00:57:59.800 --> 00:58:04.239
lot rich. More so now, I mean, bears are just

897
00:58:04.400 --> 00:58:08.679
all over the place. And you know, when I was

898
00:58:08.719 --> 00:58:11.599
a kid, I always thought I wouldn't wouldn't it be

899
00:58:11.719 --> 00:58:13.559
cool to see a bear? Now you see them all

900
00:58:13.559 --> 00:58:16.000
the time. I mean not all the time actually, but

901
00:58:16.119 --> 00:58:21.800
they're they're really common and they're thriving. So you know,

902
00:58:22.079 --> 00:58:26.159
people will tell you that if bears can thrive, supposedly

903
00:58:26.199 --> 00:58:30.039
a sasquatch can thrive. I don't know. I can't. I

904
00:58:30.079 --> 00:58:33.599
don't know how that all works. And and I have,

905
00:58:34.920 --> 00:58:37.199
Uh there's a guy that was a very close friend

906
00:58:37.239 --> 00:58:41.000
of mine and he had enormous footprints show up in

907
00:58:41.119 --> 00:58:44.880
his backyard what is it two and a half years ago.

908
00:58:46.639 --> 00:58:50.039
I mean they were just ridiculous. You can see the

909
00:58:50.159 --> 00:58:53.519
toes and every it happened like about it was. It

910
00:58:53.639 --> 00:58:56.360
was a day when there had been a very light

911
00:58:56.519 --> 00:59:00.079
snowfall that was kind of slushy, and the dog and

912
00:59:00.159 --> 00:59:02.199
went crazy at about three o'clock in the morning. He

913
00:59:02.400 --> 00:59:06.440
was out pretty far out in the country and that's

914
00:59:06.960 --> 00:59:10.280
over near Granville, which is heading west into the Berkshires.

915
00:59:10.320 --> 00:59:13.320
I mean, once again, he is on the edge of

916
00:59:13.360 --> 00:59:18.199
a very big national forest. And there are other stories

917
00:59:18.320 --> 00:59:22.400
and reports from that area as well, and I encountered

918
00:59:22.440 --> 00:59:25.880
I've encountered a couple of those. I haven't encountered anything

919
00:59:25.960 --> 00:59:30.960
particularly new around here. So whatever this phenomenon is, it

920
00:59:31.079 --> 00:59:35.039
does appear to be in New England. And yeah, those

921
00:59:35.159 --> 00:59:39.039
those those footprints were just amazing. Yeah, I do have pictures.

922
00:59:39.400 --> 00:59:43.840
I'm sprised that Granville area is extremely active right now.

923
00:59:44.400 --> 00:59:46.639
I've talked to a few people about that area. It

924
00:59:46.760 --> 00:59:50.960
is is pretty wild up Cobble Mountain, specifically that area

925
00:59:51.000 --> 00:59:51.760
of Granville.

926
00:59:53.000 --> 00:59:56.360
Well, that is so interesting because this all you know,

927
00:59:56.480 --> 00:59:58.079
he called me up and said, you got to see

928
00:59:58.119 --> 01:00:00.800
these footprints that showed up in my head backyard the

929
01:00:00.880 --> 01:00:04.280
other day. And the footprints came from they walked all

930
01:00:04.280 --> 01:00:07.639
the way down this long Fiel across this area where

931
01:00:07.639 --> 01:00:11.159
he's got equipment stored like he does logging work. And

932
01:00:11.199 --> 01:00:16.400
stuff like that. And and these are big footprints, I forget.

933
01:00:16.920 --> 01:00:19.159
I think they're like eighteen inches or something like that.

934
01:00:20.039 --> 01:00:21.840
And there are bare footprints and you can see the

935
01:00:21.920 --> 01:00:24.800
freight in toast. Now you tell me what's going on.

936
01:00:24.920 --> 01:00:27.679
Does he have a gigantic crazy neighbor who wanders around

937
01:00:27.800 --> 01:00:30.440
people's backyards in the middle of the night scaring the dogs?

938
01:00:30.480 --> 01:00:31.039
I don't think so.

939
01:00:32.159 --> 01:00:34.159
Yes, yeah, absolutely.

940
01:00:36.039 --> 01:00:38.239
In Grenville, if you did that, you'd be likely to

941
01:00:38.280 --> 01:00:44.719
get shot. It's like it's a rural community. It's not

942
01:00:45.039 --> 01:00:48.719
like the university town at Amherst.

943
01:00:48.400 --> 01:00:50.920
You know, so yeah, a little bit different. It is

944
01:00:51.119 --> 01:00:53.400
so active down there. They actually call it the Kobble

945
01:00:53.480 --> 01:00:55.840
Mountain Critter and they have a festival for it that

946
01:00:55.960 --> 01:00:59.480
started this year too, which is pretty well, this is

947
01:00:59.519 --> 01:01:00.199
so interesting.

948
01:01:00.239 --> 01:01:02.199
See this is something I never even knew about.

949
01:01:02.760 --> 01:01:07.039
Wow, So people keep that in mind for maybe next year.

950
01:01:07.119 --> 01:01:11.559
But John, thank you for taking some time today chatting

951
01:01:11.639 --> 01:01:15.599
about your experiences over the years. And it's been a

952
01:01:15.880 --> 01:01:18.519
pleasure to have you on the show. And you know, listeners,

953
01:01:18.599 --> 01:01:20.880
make sure you go check out His book will be

954
01:01:20.960 --> 01:01:24.039
linked in the show notes and you can check that

955
01:01:24.159 --> 01:01:27.400
out and read the rest of the rest of his

956
01:01:27.480 --> 01:01:29.639
story for yourself. But thank you again for coming on

957
01:01:29.800 --> 01:01:31.840
John my pleasure.

958
01:01:32.119 --> 01:01:35.000
Thanks a lot, and I'll be looking to see what

959
01:01:35.159 --> 01:01:38.199
other new exciting news you're turning up, because it is

960
01:01:38.320 --> 01:01:41.519
a fascinating subject and I think it has significance for

961
01:01:41.639 --> 01:01:46.000
the crazy time that we're living in. Whatever is happening

962
01:01:46.079 --> 01:01:49.320
to the Bigfoot or the Sasquatch or whatever these things are.

963
01:01:50.800 --> 01:01:56.800
They're not worried about, you know, being monitored too closely

964
01:01:56.880 --> 01:01:59.039
by the government, and they don't pay taxes or have

965
01:01:59.199 --> 01:02:02.079
right a social credit score they're.

966
01:02:01.920 --> 01:02:03.440
Trying to maintain exactly.

967
01:02:03.480 --> 01:02:07.159
So they learned something, then probably we'd all be better

968
01:02:07.239 --> 01:02:12.320
off if we understood anyhow, On that relatively numerous note,

969
01:02:13.079 --> 01:02:15.159
Thanks a lot, and it's been nice talking to you.

970
01:02:16.199 --> 01:02:17.719
I'll love you following what you're up to.

971
01:02:18.440 --> 01:02:20.480
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972
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973
01:02:23.599 --> 01:02:26.639
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974
01:02:26.760 --> 01:02:29.239
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975
01:02:29.840 --> 01:02:32.719
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983
01:02:53.039 --> 01:02:55.960
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984
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985
01:03:00.159 --> 01:03:03.000
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992
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993
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994
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