Oct. 16, 2025

Washington’s Triangle of Terror: Adams, Helens, Rainier

Washington’s Triangle of Terror: Adams, Helens, Rainier
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Season 1

What happens when a lifelong outdoorsman’s quiet hunting trips turn into decades of terror — stretching from the mountains of Colorado to the shadowed lakes of Washington?
In this gripping episode of Bigfoot Society, we sit down with Alan, a hunter and fisherman who’s spent his life in the wilderness — and who’s seen things he still can’t explain. From the 1974 night his father screamed that “it’s staring at us” outside their Suburban near Salida, to the deafening howls that shook Clear Lake, to the rocks hurled at his feet near Mount Adams — these are encounters that left scars, proof, and fear.
We also hear from witnesses across North America — from Ohio to Oregon to British Columbia — whose stories echo the same chilling patterns: heavy footsteps, silent woods, missing apples, and something massive that never quite stays in sight.
More than a collection of encounters, this episode is a haunting chronicle of belief, fear, and the thin line between the known and the unknown.

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You're listening to BIGFA Society, and I'm Jeremiah Byron. In

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this show, we go beyond the campfire stories to bring

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you first hand encounters from people who say they've seen

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something impossible. From backwoods trails and remote mountain haulers to

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quiet farms and crowded highways. The stories come from everywhere,

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and each one leaves us with more questions than answers.

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These are the voices of the people who've lived it.

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To settle in, because today you'll hear another account that

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just might change the way you see the woods forever.

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So stay with us, all right, pick the Society. You've

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got the privilege of talking to Alan today. Alan is

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an outdoorsman, hunter and a fisherman who I get contacted with,

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and he's here to talk about some things he's experienced

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over the years in a few different states. So welcome

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to the show. Alan. How are you doing today, sir,

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I'm great, Thank you very much. Absolutely. We were just

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talking a few minutes before this, and it sounds like

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in order to start this off, we'll be going back

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few years to some experiences you had in Colorado. It

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feel free to take us back there and you take

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it away sir.

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All right.

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And the very first incident, if you would call it that,

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that I can recall, would be the fall of mid

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fall of nineteen seventy four. Grew up in central Colorado

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hunting and fishing with my folks. Hunting was an annual

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event with my dad, and this was before I could drive.

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But in the fall of seventy four or late October,

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we had gone gear hunting outside the town of Salida, Colorado,

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up near and old what appeared to be an abandoned quarry,

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and we arrived at that location late in the evening,

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probably around ten or eleven o'clock at night. Typically we

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were up by four in the morning to start our

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hunts on opening day. So my dad found this spot

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in this full off to the side of the road,

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and as typical, we would sleep in the back of

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the suburban and basically hunt from there. So we crawled

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into the back of the suburban, got into our sleeping bags.

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Somewhere in the night, I'm guessing around one in the

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morning or so, my dad let out this blood curling

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scream and all he would say, all he could say

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was that it's staring at us. And as he's screaming

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that he flew out of a sleeping bag, over the

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seat into the driver's seat and had the truck started

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before I could even wake up and get out of

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my sleeping bag. He was so scared that his hands

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were basically locked around the steering wheel, and he drove

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like a madman until we ended up almost seventy miles

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away in the little town of Canyon City, where we

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had to stop at a gas By then it was

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early morning, and when he finally got calmed down, got

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gas back in the truck, he declared that the hunt

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was over and we went home for the year. So

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we didn't hunt at all in seventy four. I never

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saw anything, I didn't hear anything. It was just him

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with that scream, and I've never heard My Dad's a

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calm person. He doesn't get panicked about anything, and this

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was so out of character, including the manner in which

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he drove. He drove like an idiot teenager, so it

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was so out of character for him.

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But he would never talk about this.

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Particular incident for many years, and I'll get into that

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as we moved forward through time. The following year fall

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of nineteen seventy five, just before the hunting season started.

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I asked him if we were going to go hunting again,

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and he was really reluctant, and all he would say

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is that, yeah, we'll go hunting.

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We're not going back to Salida.

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So as a hunting season approached, he had chosen the

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spot on the west side of Pike's Peak, up in

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the mountains at about eight nine thousand feet heavily timbered,

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and again we left after he got home off of

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work on a Friday evening, got up there fairly late,

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crawled into the back of the truck, and went to sleep.

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The following morning, we got up early around four o'clock

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or so. There was about eighteen inches of snow on

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the ground hold out or remember, just being brutally cold.

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But the place where he had pulled off the road,

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there was a line of trees at about thirty yards deep,

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and then it broke open into a meadow, and the

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meadow was probably about three hundred yards across. But in

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the center of this meadow was another group of trees,

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so it was almost doughnut shaped. You had this group

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of trees in the very center and then his broad

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meadow all the way around, and then the line of

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freeze again. So his instructions were for me to break

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through the tree line or wait along the edge of

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the meadow and just watch for movement. I'm still dark out.

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The sun has not even started to come up yet.

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He said he was going to work his way around

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the far edges of the tree line to the far

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side of the meadow and then work his way back,

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and he wanted me to just watch for any deer

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elka movement or anything we were deer hunting. So I

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found a stump to sit on and sat there in

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the dark, waiting, and I could hear him trudging through

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the snow for several minutes as he made his way

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around the left side, going out towards the far end

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of the meadow.

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As I sat there and what eventually turned.

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Into silence as his footsteps and disappeared into the snow

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and distance.

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I sat there in the silence.

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I looked off to the far end of the tree

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line and then this meadow, to this group of trees

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in the center of the meadow, and I saw this

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dark movement, and so my eyes fixed on that. Even

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though it's still fairly dark out, I could see movement,

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and the figure was dark and I figured probably an elk,

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maybe a deer, But then my eyes adjusted some and

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I rationed in my mind that it was too big

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to be a deer. I continued to watch, and I

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thought maybe a bear because it was big. And then

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I rationalized again that no, it's not bear. It could

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be a bear, but probably not because it's too far

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into the.

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Winter a bear would be nibernating. Now this is the

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mind of a fifteen year old.

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I continued to wash for several minutes, and then eventually

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this dark figure.

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Appeared to stand up.

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And slowly walk away from me, and all I could

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see was just basically a silhouette. But I'm thinking, in

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my mind, a bear doesn't stand up and walk away.

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It's too big for an milk, way too big for

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a deer or a coyote. I don't know what this is,

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and to this day, I don't know what I saw.

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I just know what I saw that makes any sense.

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Fast forward many more years. My dad again would never

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talk about the incident. Outside of Salidea, Colorado in nineteen

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seventy four. In two thousand and nine, I moved. I

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lived in several places all my life, but in two

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thousand and nine, I moved to Washington State.

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And that's where I have been ever since.

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In twenty twelve, at work during a lunch period, one

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I happened to be reading online a copy of Field

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and Stream magazine, and I believe it was twenty twelve timeframe.

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In this Field and Stream was an article by a

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lady and her husband from purportedly from Salida, Colorado, and

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an experience with what they reported as a bigfoot in

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an area called Goat Gulch. So curiously, I began to

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look on maps and I found the area called Goat

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Golch near Salida, but also near an abandoned quarry, so

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that really piqued my interest. I finished reading the article

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and it was pretty intriguing the experience that this couple

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had with what they reported as a bigfoot. So I

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copied the article and I emailed that article to my folks,

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and I just asked my mom if she would read

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the article to my dad and ask him if that

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is what he saw back in nineteen seventy four. So

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the following weekend, when I did my typical weekend phone

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call to my folks, this is a check in, I

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asked my mom if she had received the article. She

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said yes. I said, did you read it to Dad?

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She said yes, And I said what did he say?

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And she put him on the phone and he was

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really quiet for a minute, and I said, Dad, what

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did you think of the article? He said, what's pretty interesting?

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I said, is that what you saw that year we

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were hunting? And all he would say was yes, wouldn't

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talk about it further, wouldn't talk about it again. But

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that was the only confirmation I've ever had from him.

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He says that what they describe in that article is

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what he saw staring at him, staring at us through

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the window of the suburban back in nineteen seventy four.

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Fast forward again another few years. On Father's Day weekend

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of twenty fifteen, myself and two friends from work had

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decided to go do some fishing up near Yakima, Washington.

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There's a little there's a fairly large day called Rimrock Lake,

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and then on.

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The western end of rim Rock is another small lake

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called Clear Lake. On the west side of Clear Lake

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is a little day use area for parking, and then

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next to that day use area there's a LDS or

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latter Day Saint Church camp for youth and then across

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the little handle of the lake from that is another

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church camp. I don't recall if it's a Baptist camp

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or something, but another church camp and a couple of campgrounds.

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The acoustics in this lake area are pretty phenomenal.

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Where we were in the and this little peninsula sticking

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out into Clear Lake, you could clearly hear conversations across

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the lake at both church camps on either side of us.

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All the way around the canyon, you could hear a

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conversation as normal as what.

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You're probably hearing me now, or close to it.

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So the acoustics were pretty good. We arrived at Clear

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Lake at about six thirty in the morning, just as

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the sun was coming up, and we set out on

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this little peninsula it sticks out into the lake, spread

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out a little bit about twenty yards apart.

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Each started to do our fishing.

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About fifteen to twenty minutes after we got there, another

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car pulled into the datus area with a husband and

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wife and a couple of kids. They got out of

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their car and started to unpack whatever they were getting,

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lawn chairs or picnic foods. I have no idea, but

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we could hear them in the day use area unpacking

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their car either. Around the same time, you could hear

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the church camps start coming to life, with kids moving around,

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adults moving around, people going to breakfasting their lodges and

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things like that. The campgrounds started to wake up. You

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could hear people molding around, conversations starting to take place.

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At around seven o'clock, maybe a little before, there was

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this gruttled, almost a growl, but not quite a scream either,

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but it was deep and it was a lot of

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reverberated through your soul that came down from the canyon somewhere.

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We never saw anything, but we heard this unbelievable growl,

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and you could hear not just us, but you can

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hear people all the way around the lake asking each

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other what the heck is that. A few seconds later,

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it stops. It went on for about ten to fifteen seconds.

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It was long, but it stopped. A couple of minutes

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after that, there's this other one, and then a few

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minutes later another one, and then pretty soon you could

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hear almost what was like a response coming from a

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different part of the canyon. And again, with acoustics the

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way they were, you couldn't tell exactly where this was,

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but you could tell these two noises were separate and distinct.

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They were apart. My friends and I got together and

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we're trying to figure out what this was. And you

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could hear the husband and wife in a panic. She said,

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we're leaving, and they packed up their car and they

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left people in the church camp.

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Sure you can hear them questioning what is that noise?

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Pretty soon we could hear.

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One of the it sounded like an adult, a male voice,

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tell all the youth to get inside the lodge, and

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that camp got definitely quiet. I'm assuming they all went

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into the lodge. I don't know, but these brows, these howls,

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continued on every few minutes for over two hours, and

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it was almost my gut instinct said it was anger.

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It was like.

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It was an anger, But I don't know if it

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was a warning to us, a warning to the other

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whatever it was making noise, arguing back and forth between them,

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I don't know, but it was there was aggression in

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the tone, if that makes any sense.

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We never did figure out what it was.

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One of my friends that was fishing with us had

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grown up outside of Sacramento, California, and used to go

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to the Sierras a lot to go fishing. At one

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point in time, I asked him if he'd ever heard

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anything like that before, and he said yes, once up

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in the Sierras, but again he never saw anything. He

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just heard a very similar or same sound, but didn't

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know what it was. In the fall of twenty twenty two,

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I was off on one of my fishing expeditions and

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went to a very remote lake in between Mount Adams

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and Mount Saint Helens, Washington. This is a higher mountain

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lake and it's pretty rough road to get in there.

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There's only one camping spot when you get up there,

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so if there's somebody there, you're not going to camp

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because there's only one spot. There's barely enough room to

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turn my truck around, and you get up to the

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upper end of the road right next to the word.

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So I got up to the lake early morning, sun

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was coming up. I unpacked my camp chair, all my

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fishing gear, get my line in the water, and then

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I noticed that it is.

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The forest is unbelievably quiet.

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There's nothing going on, no squirrels, no birds, but I

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didn't pay much attention to it. The sun came up.

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My line's in the water. I'm sitting in my camp chair.

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It's quiet, there's nobody around. The nearest vehicle was probably

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four to six miles away, the nearest campgrounds about six

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miles away. I'm pretty assured that there is nobody.

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Around where I'm at.

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And as I'm sitting there in my camp chair just

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watching my fish line, this woosh comes out of the

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trees to the right side of me, and there are

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rock lands at my feet, maybe five feet away, and

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it's a fairly large rock, a little bigger than a softball.

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I have no idea where it came from, other than

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it was from the right side of where I was sitting.

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And then a few minutes later I get another rock

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from the left side o where I'm sitting, same thing,

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about softball size, fairly heavy rock and right towards my feet.

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Didn't hear anything, didn't see anything, didn't smell anything, but

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this rock throwing continued for about a half hour when

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I finally got the hint that was probably a warning

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for me to leave. So I did. I have wanted

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to go back to that lake for one to satisfy

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my own curiosity, but to me just I was satisfying

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a sense of dread or fear. I just that lake

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scared me with those rocks, and I don't know why,

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but I could never get anybody to go with me.

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I didn't want to go alone.

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This last fall, I finally mustered up the courage to

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go back to that lake. I ended up going alone again.

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Got there just before sunrise. Again there's nobody up there.

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I had taken a bag of apples with me, hoping

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to avoid rock.

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Throwing if anything. I got out of the truck.

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This time. I actually had my truck. I got it

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turned around and backed in towards the lake, so if

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anything did happen, I could jump in the truck and

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pull straight forward and leave. I took the bag of apples.

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I had a dozen apples, and I set six apples

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out on each side of the vehicle, going out about

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thirty to fifty yards each time, so after about one

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hundred yards on both sides of the truck, I had

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these apples strategically placed up in the trees.

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About six foot off the ground.

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And just hoping it was some sort of peace offering,

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I went back and unpacked my fishing gear, got a

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line in the water, and again there's I noticed there's

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no breeze, there's no noise. The forest is absolutely silent.

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There's not even a fish jumping.

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Nothing.

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And I sat there for about an hour with a

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line in the water and no fish, no noise, no birds,

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no rocks. So at about seven thirty or so, I

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decided that I'm not going to catch any fish here.

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I'll go to a different lake.

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So I went to pack up all my gear, got

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it loaded in the truck, and curiosity, I walked down

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the lines and places where I had placed my apples.

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The first apple on either side of the truck, closest

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to the truck were still there. All the other apples

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had disappeared. But again, I never heard anything. I never

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saw anything. I just know that the apples were fairly

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well off the ground.

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And nowhere to be found.

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Nope, they hadn't fallen off the trees, they weren't laying

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on the ground. They were just gone, except for the

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two apples closest to the truck. I packed up from

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that trip and went to a different lake, and then

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my fishing came home. On September thirteenth, I went up

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to an area outside of Walla Walla, Washington. The area

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is called the Blue Mountains, and I had heard some

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stories of bigfoot sightings up there. But I went just

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for a day trip out of just to get away

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from things for a while, not expecting to see anything

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or hear anything or find anything, just out of a

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curiosity trip. I wanted it be in some of the

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areas where people had claimed to have sightings. I got

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up to the upper ridge or the upper rim of

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the Blue Mountains, found a place to pull off, and

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I had taken a friend of mine from church with me,

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who was curious about these type of incidents, and together

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we were walking down a couple of game trails and

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I looked down and I happened to spot what appeared

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to be a human like footprint, definitely larger, but not massive.

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And I carried with me a small bat that I

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used for tree knocking or just other things if needed.

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But it was just a small bat. It's about two

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feet long. So I placed the bat down on the

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ground next to this footprint just to get a photograph

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and a marker for size. I didn't have any class

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or Paris or anything. I hadn't expected to find anything,

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so I took some photos of these footprints. A few

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yards away, but down the game trail just a little bit,

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there was another print, but it only had three distinctive toes.

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I couldn't distinguish five toes, but the toes were really long.

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I don't know what this print is.

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I just know that I photographed it because it was

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odd but definitely different than the first print that appeared

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to be more human with five toes, a ball print,

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a heel print. But again I don't know what these were.

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I didn't have anything to cast them. I was just

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able to take photographs. So, in a nutshell, that's my story.

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Allan, that's those are some wild accounts, My goodness, because

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you've been all over the place just thinking about everything

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you just talked about. You are going through some really

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cool places the lake that you went to outside of

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Mount Adams, and I don't want you to give away

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any fishing spots or anything, but was that and there's

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a lot of interesting things that have happened out there

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in the years. Do you know if it was near

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any specific area like Tired Junction or a Scukum Meadows

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or Indian Heaven Wilderness or anything like that, or.

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Yeah, I do, and I don't mind sharing fishing spots

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with people. In my years of reading about and becoming

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interested in reading about Bigfoot and that type of phenomenon,

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I learned that if you were to look at a map,

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you can draw a pretty good triangle between Rainier Saint

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Helens and Mount Adams.

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Totally up through the middle of.

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That triangle is an area called Indian Haven Wilderness. Within

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that wilderness area, there's a place called Dark Divide. Dark

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Divide I believe got its name from the Native Americans,

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not because of anything spooky, but because of the dark

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basaltic rock that lines that ridge. To the left side

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of Dark Divide runs the Pacific Crest Trail. To the

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east side or right side of the Dark Divide are

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several roads that run in through the Indian Navan Wilderness

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tire junction several of the lakes.

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There's an upper lake right on the top of the ridge.

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Called Coltis Lake, and then Cultus Stream drains down to

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the north into the area called Cultis Campground. At the

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time that I first went up towards there, I didn't

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know that was a area known for sidings or happenings.

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The lake that I happened to go to was called.

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Comcomedy Lake, which is just southeast of Cultis Lake, but

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still as a crow flies. It's only about a mile maybe,

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But Coltis Lake you can drive up to.

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It's rough road, but you can get to or com

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Commedy Lake.

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I'm sorry, Colony Lake you can drive into, but it's

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a fairly rough road. And again there's only that one

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camp spot. So in twenty twenty two, I didn't know

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about Dark Divide, Coltis Lake, com Commonly Lake. I didn't

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know about the triangle and sidings all over the Triangle area,

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especially within Scook and Metals, which is also in that area.

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So yeah, the lake that I went to originally and

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again this last fall is com Calmly Lake. That's where

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the rocks were thrown, and that's where the apples disappeared.

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Okay, that makes total sense, just because if you look

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at it on a map, it's about fifteen miles south

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or fifteen miles west of Trout Lake, which is extremely active.

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The whole area is wildly active as But yeah, that

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makes sense one hundred percent. You were definitely running into

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that activity. Were there tracks around that where the apples

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were taken?

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I looked for tracks, but it's a heavy under undergrowth.

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There's a lot of pine needles and soft forage material,

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so I didn't see anything specific, but I did look,

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and once it dawned on me that most of my

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apples were gone and they're not laying on the ground

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like a squirrel of knocked them off, I just I

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got this really uneasy feeling, and that's part of the

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reason why I left pretty quick.

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Yeah, I know this lake sounds familiar. I think I've

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heard or the guys from a Pacific Northwest Bigfoot search

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might go into that area too, which they are good guys.

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I've talked to them a few years ago. Maybe have

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to check in with them again. When you were down

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in the Blue Mountains, were you near where these tracks were?

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Were you near d Duck Spring at all then?

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Or I had not heard of Paul Freeman or Paul

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Freeman's experiences until.

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About a year ago.

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No way, Oh wow.

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So I became interested in one because it's fairly close

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to where I live. It's only a couple of hour drive,

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and I caught my curiosity just because of the area.

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I've been up there several times, but I've never been

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to that spot. So I did some research on Paul

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Freeman and the Freeman location. There's a guy called Mike

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Wanders that did it a documentary up there, and I

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studied his visual as he goes through his documentary. I

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studied the road that he was on, the camping spot

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he was in, and I found those exact spots. So

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the road that my friend and I pulled off into

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was the exact spot that Mike Wanders used in his documentary.

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Found the same stump, the exact parking spot. There's a

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video out there. I think it's Paul Freeman's family shortly

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after he died where they gathered at deduct springs, found

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the same sign that they were sitting underneath. And then

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of course the deduct trail hit. The prints were found

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at the upper end, or let me think of the direction.

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They're gonna be southeast end of deduct trail, so it

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goes uphill to the top of the ridge from the

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deduct spring pool or pond area. But it was at

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the upper end of that trails where we found the Prince. Yes,

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that was deduct.

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That is so cool. There are few people that have

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taken trips down there to that area. This year, the

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Olympic Project guys went over there, Todd Hill and Chrispens

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and then I believe the Cliff and Nico went over there.

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That was a thing for their museum members on Patreon.

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That's a pretty cool video. People want to definitely support

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that organization. But yeah, it's wild to hear that area

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is still active. But a very cool that you got

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those pictures, And I have to definitely, are you okay

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if I put those in the YouTube version of this

467
00:29:26.200 --> 00:29:29.880
so people can see those? Absolutely okay, very cool.

468
00:29:30.039 --> 00:29:33.839
I have a couple of other photos there was also

469
00:29:34.000 --> 00:29:37.960
near the footprints, we found a tree that was splintered

470
00:29:38.000 --> 00:29:42.640
off at about fourteen fifteen feet in the air. But

471
00:29:42.759 --> 00:29:45.000
the odd thing was not was it just splintered off

472
00:29:45.039 --> 00:29:49.880
extremely high, but the splintered off end was sitting on

473
00:29:49.960 --> 00:29:55.000
top of the splintered off stump, and it's I don't

474
00:29:55.039 --> 00:29:57.920
know how you get a splintered tree, even with winterkill,

475
00:29:58.200 --> 00:30:00.920
to land on top of itself perfectly.

476
00:30:02.799 --> 00:30:03.799
Yeah, that's pretty weird.

477
00:30:04.519 --> 00:30:07.200
Not that only a tree structure, but just something very

478
00:30:07.240 --> 00:30:09.160
out of place. So I have photos of that I

479
00:30:09.160 --> 00:30:10.240
could send to if you're jo.

480
00:30:10.160 --> 00:30:12.319
Okay, Yeah, I'd love to see those. Were you also

481
00:30:12.519 --> 00:30:16.039
seeing things over there where it looks like something had

482
00:30:16.920 --> 00:30:21.839
gripped and twisted broken the branches, and it's just it's

483
00:30:21.880 --> 00:30:24.400
a very weird thing. If you've seen it, you know

484
00:30:24.440 --> 00:30:26.119
what I'm talking about. I don't know if they have

485
00:30:26.200 --> 00:30:27.200
that yarn down there.

486
00:30:28.240 --> 00:30:30.119
They might, They probably do. I don't know.

487
00:30:30.599 --> 00:30:32.799
This friend of mine that was with me, we both

488
00:30:33.440 --> 00:30:35.319
he's the one that actually told me about Paul Freeman

489
00:30:35.359 --> 00:30:38.279
about a year ago. Okay, so we went up there

490
00:30:38.319 --> 00:30:42.559
out of curiosity, but not expecting to find, see or

491
00:30:42.599 --> 00:30:45.119
hear anything. It was just one of those guy things.

492
00:30:45.799 --> 00:30:47.559
We're just yucking it up and wanted to check out

493
00:30:47.599 --> 00:30:52.440
the Paul Freeman area. So we weren't totally prepared because

494
00:30:52.440 --> 00:30:55.799
we hadn't We weren't looking for broken branches, we weren't

495
00:30:55.839 --> 00:30:57.119
looking for tree structures.

496
00:30:57.160 --> 00:30:59.119
We were just we just wanted to be in the

497
00:30:59.119 --> 00:30:59.960
Paul Freeman area.

498
00:31:00.079 --> 00:31:03.319
Yeah, that was cool. And then we found the footprints

499
00:31:03.319 --> 00:31:07.720
and then we found the snapped off tree, so we

500
00:31:07.759 --> 00:31:10.440
didn't spend a lot of time looking around any further.

501
00:31:11.039 --> 00:31:12.960
That took up most of the day just getting that

502
00:31:12.960 --> 00:31:18.000
stuff documented and just driving around and looking at different areas.

503
00:31:18.880 --> 00:31:22.519
Through your being an outdoors man, it seems you've really

504
00:31:22.559 --> 00:31:25.920
had a lot of cool interactions with bigfoot areas. Do

505
00:31:26.000 --> 00:31:30.240
you feel that you are focused more on the big

506
00:31:30.240 --> 00:31:33.680
foot side of things or the hunting and fishing, or

507
00:31:33.720 --> 00:31:36.799
maybe there's a happy medium that's come through both of

508
00:31:36.839 --> 00:31:37.640
those together.

509
00:31:39.279 --> 00:31:41.400
As you get up in age like I am, I

510
00:31:41.400 --> 00:31:43.519
think you get this Alzheimer's kind of thing, So I

511
00:31:43.519 --> 00:31:45.279
get focused. When I said out to go fishing, I

512
00:31:45.359 --> 00:31:48.200
just go fishing. I don't look for anything else when

513
00:31:48.240 --> 00:31:50.160
I go for my deer hunt or something. I'm just

514
00:31:50.240 --> 00:31:52.680
out to hunt. Not that I do a lot of

515
00:31:52.680 --> 00:31:55.160
big footing, but I've been to places out of curiosity.

516
00:31:55.200 --> 00:31:58.839
But there's other places like calm, calmly. I don't want

517
00:31:58.880 --> 00:32:01.720
to go back alone. I don't. I'm not comfortable in

518
00:32:01.759 --> 00:32:06.079
those areas being alone. And maybe it's just an old

519
00:32:06.119 --> 00:32:09.400
guy being paranoid or I don't know, but there's a

520
00:32:09.480 --> 00:32:12.400
definite uncomfortable feeling. The time that we were up at

521
00:32:12.519 --> 00:32:15.839
Clear Lake outside of Rimrock Lake, the three of us,

522
00:32:16.759 --> 00:32:18.279
that was a very.

523
00:32:21.000 --> 00:32:22.319
Spooky encounter.

524
00:32:23.119 --> 00:32:26.880
All we heard was the growls, these gruddled noises, but

525
00:32:27.000 --> 00:32:29.839
like I said, it reverberated through your body. It was

526
00:32:29.960 --> 00:32:34.440
just a deep, long howl, not like the Sierra Sounds.

527
00:32:34.480 --> 00:32:37.799
This was different, but there were more than one, and

528
00:32:38.279 --> 00:32:41.279
the startilization and recognition of the fact that there's more

529
00:32:41.319 --> 00:32:47.400
than one was very concerning because again, I know that

530
00:32:47.440 --> 00:32:49.480
there was aggression in their tone. I don't know what

531
00:32:49.519 --> 00:32:52.119
that aggression was. If they were towards each other, they

532
00:32:52.119 --> 00:32:55.319
were screaming each other, get out of my territory, or hey,

533
00:32:55.400 --> 00:32:57.119
let's go down and run these humans off of our

534
00:32:57.200 --> 00:32:58.079
leg or I don't know.

535
00:33:00.960 --> 00:33:03.960
And that area is extremely active too, because it's right

536
00:33:04.039 --> 00:33:08.000
off the Highway twelve. Highway twelve has always talked about

537
00:33:08.119 --> 00:33:09.640
for so many bigfoot.

538
00:33:10.839 --> 00:33:12.519
Yeah, you get Randall and Packwood.

539
00:33:12.599 --> 00:33:15.319
Yeah, then you've got goat Rocks Wilderness, which is not

540
00:33:15.799 --> 00:33:18.839
crow Fies, just ten miles from where we were at.

541
00:33:22.319 --> 00:33:25.640
I bet those camps have some great stories or they're

542
00:33:25.720 --> 00:33:26.839
just super freaked out.

543
00:33:27.480 --> 00:33:31.319
Here a side note for another great story. After that encounter,

544
00:33:31.359 --> 00:33:33.759
in twenty fifteen with my two friends, when we were fishing,

545
00:33:35.240 --> 00:33:37.319
my son and I decided to go back up to

546
00:33:37.359 --> 00:33:39.519
that to the LDS Church camp because you can rent

547
00:33:39.559 --> 00:33:43.880
camping spots there and we had assembled bug out bags

548
00:33:44.720 --> 00:33:46.920
just to have it home, but we wanted to try

549
00:33:47.000 --> 00:33:49.880
our bug out bags for basically a seventy two hour kit.

550
00:33:50.680 --> 00:33:52.759
We wanted to go try and try out the food

551
00:33:53.559 --> 00:33:55.839
and try out the bag and see if the bags

552
00:33:55.839 --> 00:33:59.960
were properly stocked and packed. So my boy and I

553
00:34:00.000 --> 00:34:02.000
I headed up that area for the weekend to go

554
00:34:02.079 --> 00:34:04.160
spend a couple of days living off of our bug

555
00:34:04.200 --> 00:34:07.839
out bags. So we use that LDS camp as a

556
00:34:07.880 --> 00:34:11.199
base camp, and then the first we got up there

557
00:34:11.239 --> 00:34:13.159
in the evening. The first morning, we got up and

558
00:34:13.280 --> 00:34:17.280
cooked our breakfast out of the dehydrated foods and then

559
00:34:17.320 --> 00:34:21.119
packed a little nap sack backpack to take with us

560
00:34:21.159 --> 00:34:24.320
for the day. On each of our bug out bags,

561
00:34:24.360 --> 00:34:27.599
we each carry a small AR fifteen, so we stropped

562
00:34:27.599 --> 00:34:31.280
on our AR fifteen's on our backpacks and decided to

563
00:34:31.320 --> 00:34:34.320
go hiking for the morning. As we headed out from

564
00:34:34.360 --> 00:34:37.760
the camp, if you look at a map, that road

565
00:34:37.800 --> 00:34:40.480
that goes past that day camp and that LDS camp

566
00:34:42.400 --> 00:34:44.800
goes about another quarter a mile or so, and then

567
00:34:44.800 --> 00:34:47.239
there's a junction off to the left that goes back

568
00:34:47.280 --> 00:34:51.039
around to the backside of rim Rock Lake, And then

569
00:34:51.079 --> 00:34:54.199
if you continued straight on that road, it's supposed to

570
00:34:54.239 --> 00:34:56.360
go up to a campground at the very end about

571
00:34:56.920 --> 00:34:59.320
two two and a half miles maybe a little further

572
00:34:59.440 --> 00:35:02.719
up that road on twenty fifteen. As we got to

573
00:35:02.760 --> 00:35:06.480
that junction, we were on foot, but at that junction

574
00:35:06.599 --> 00:35:10.719
there were concrete barriers blocking off the road that goes

575
00:35:10.800 --> 00:35:13.159
up to that campground. You could only go left and

576
00:35:13.159 --> 00:35:17.880
go back around Rimrock Lake. I thought that's odd. And

577
00:35:17.920 --> 00:35:21.639
about that time, a Forest service vehicle pulled up, and

578
00:35:21.679 --> 00:35:23.840
I thought, Okay, here's going to be a fight. Here's

579
00:35:23.880 --> 00:35:25.559
that the fish cops are showing up and they're going

580
00:35:25.599 --> 00:35:28.920
to give us a hard time about carrying ars. So

581
00:35:29.039 --> 00:35:31.679
that was the fight that I was expecting. But the

582
00:35:31.800 --> 00:35:36.239
ranger rolled down his window and just just basic morning

583
00:35:36.320 --> 00:35:38.079
chit chat, high how you guys doing, What are you

584
00:35:38.159 --> 00:35:41.679
up to? You didn't say a word about ars or

585
00:35:41.719 --> 00:35:43.719
the backpacks. So we told them we're just we're up

586
00:35:43.719 --> 00:35:45.840
here trying out our bug out bags and just going

587
00:35:45.880 --> 00:35:48.400
out for a day hike. And then he finally said

588
00:35:48.440 --> 00:35:51.079
me goes. He says, can see you're armed. I said yeah,

589
00:35:51.199 --> 00:35:53.719
And I thought, okay, here comes the fight. He was like,

590
00:35:53.880 --> 00:35:56.840
he said, good he goes, because there's a lot of

591
00:35:56.880 --> 00:36:00.760
weird blank that goes on up in these backwoods. He said,

592
00:36:00.800 --> 00:36:02.480
so make sure you have him at the ready all

593
00:36:02.519 --> 00:36:04.960
the time. And then he pulled away.

594
00:36:04.719 --> 00:36:10.840
And left, Are you serious, dude, Yes, Oh goodness, that's nuts.

595
00:36:12.280 --> 00:36:14.400
So my boy and I kind of looked at each

596
00:36:14.440 --> 00:36:16.280
other and we said, we can go around the left

597
00:36:16.280 --> 00:36:17.719
side of the lake, but we know it's over there.

598
00:36:17.760 --> 00:36:21.239
There's nothing on other church camp there's campgrounds, So let's

599
00:36:21.239 --> 00:36:24.880
go walk this road that's blocked off by these concrete barriers.

600
00:36:26.639 --> 00:36:28.400
So the ranger had told us that the road was

601
00:36:28.400 --> 00:36:30.920
blocked off because the campground had been flooded out by

602
00:36:30.920 --> 00:36:33.719
the spring floods and it was just a safety thing.

603
00:36:35.039 --> 00:36:36.920
So my boy and I walked this road and we

604
00:36:37.000 --> 00:36:40.199
get all the way up to the campground. There is

605
00:36:40.400 --> 00:36:45.280
nothing wrong with the road, there's nothing wrong with the campground.

606
00:36:45.360 --> 00:36:46.599
It's just blocked off.

607
00:36:50.159 --> 00:36:53.079
So we finished our hike going up way up beyond

608
00:36:53.119 --> 00:36:56.480
that campground towards goat Rocks. Didn't see anything or didn't

609
00:36:56.480 --> 00:36:58.760
hear anything, but I thought it very strange in his

610
00:36:58.920 --> 00:37:02.280
comments and very strange in the fact that road was

611
00:37:02.320 --> 00:37:04.360
blocked there was nothing wrong with there.

612
00:37:08.679 --> 00:37:15.360
Wow, it's crazy how many for street workers and rangers

613
00:37:15.440 --> 00:37:19.519
are starting to contact. I think it's the right time

614
00:37:20.960 --> 00:37:24.199
for them to do. Maybe not so much they're coming

615
00:37:24.199 --> 00:37:26.800
on air, but they are reaching out. I think a

616
00:37:26.800 --> 00:37:32.320
lot of people are reaching out to share what they've experienced.

617
00:37:32.320 --> 00:37:34.639
It's the right time to do it. Likeness.

618
00:37:34.880 --> 00:37:37.639
In nineteen seventy four, you didn't talk about these things,

619
00:37:38.119 --> 00:37:40.599
you'd end up in a straight jacket. And I think

620
00:37:40.599 --> 00:37:42.639
that's one of the biggest reasons why my dad would

621
00:37:42.719 --> 00:37:45.960
never talk about it, besides the fact that it scared

622
00:37:46.000 --> 00:37:50.079
the life out of him. But today people are coming

623
00:37:50.119 --> 00:37:53.480
forward and it's taken me a long time from twenty

624
00:37:53.519 --> 00:37:56.960
fifteen till recently before I would even talk about that event,

625
00:37:57.079 --> 00:38:01.800
much less nineteen seventy four. But there's a lot of

626
00:38:01.840 --> 00:38:03.519
stuff that goes on at there. There's a lot of

627
00:38:03.519 --> 00:38:05.760
people that see things and hear things.

628
00:38:06.719 --> 00:38:09.760
Yeah, I totally could see how your dad was, just

629
00:38:10.239 --> 00:38:14.039
on the one hand, not expecting that and being freaked out.

630
00:38:14.360 --> 00:38:17.079
That's by itself, but then it just wasn't really talked

631
00:38:17.079 --> 00:38:19.519
about a lot back then. I guess you had some documentaries,

632
00:38:19.559 --> 00:38:23.039
but that was like what I mean, seven years after

633
00:38:23.079 --> 00:38:26.960
the Patterson Gimmlin film, and it's the same time period

634
00:38:27.039 --> 00:38:30.840
that Ron Moorehead is recording the Sierra Sounds it was

635
00:38:30.880 --> 00:38:33.519
just absolutely wild to think about.

636
00:38:34.039 --> 00:38:37.719
Correct looking back, I don't know.

637
00:38:38.320 --> 00:38:40.000
I don't know what my dad saw other than he

638
00:38:40.039 --> 00:38:43.440
confirmed that with a bigfoot story about the same area.

639
00:38:43.519 --> 00:38:46.480
He just said, yes, that was what he saw, and

640
00:38:46.519 --> 00:38:48.400
so I take his word for it. I believe he's

641
00:38:48.400 --> 00:38:50.400
a man of honor. Or was he's passed away now,

642
00:38:50.440 --> 00:38:52.599
but I believe him to be a man of honor.

643
00:38:52.639 --> 00:38:54.559
And if he said that's what he saw, then that's

644
00:38:54.559 --> 00:38:57.599
what he saw. I didn't see it the following year.

645
00:38:57.639 --> 00:38:57.920
I know.

646
00:38:59.559 --> 00:39:01.960
What I say all I just don't know what I

647
00:39:02.000 --> 00:39:06.960
saw stand up and walk away from me. I know

648
00:39:07.000 --> 00:39:09.920
that my apples disappeared, but I don't know what took them.

649
00:39:10.440 --> 00:39:12.440
I know that three of us were up there fishing,

650
00:39:12.440 --> 00:39:14.679
along with a lot of other people around that lake,

651
00:39:14.719 --> 00:39:17.559
and we all heard the same noises. I just don't

652
00:39:17.599 --> 00:39:20.920
know what I heard. I know I've seen footprints, I

653
00:39:21.000 --> 00:39:22.920
just don't know who are what they go to.

654
00:39:24.719 --> 00:39:27.960
The sounds that you heard around Clear Lake? Have you

655
00:39:28.079 --> 00:39:31.559
ever heard anything that comes close to that in any

656
00:39:32.880 --> 00:39:37.119
media that's on the internet or any of these documentaries.

657
00:39:37.159 --> 00:39:38.880
Is there anything that comes close to it?

658
00:39:40.760 --> 00:39:42.920
There are a few that come close, but I didn't

659
00:39:42.960 --> 00:39:45.960
write down which ones they were, and I regret that

660
00:39:46.000 --> 00:39:47.719
now because I would love to hear them again, but

661
00:39:47.760 --> 00:39:50.000
i'd have to go back through so a lot of

662
00:39:50.079 --> 00:39:51.239
sounds probably.

663
00:39:50.920 --> 00:39:52.119
To find it exactly.

664
00:39:52.280 --> 00:39:54.880
Ohio. I know the Ohio one. I think it was

665
00:39:54.920 --> 00:39:55.599
Ohio one.

666
00:39:57.000 --> 00:40:02.719
Oh yeah, that were similar, but not exact. There was

667
00:40:02.760 --> 00:40:05.079
another one that was really close, but I don't know

668
00:40:06.000 --> 00:40:07.920
where it came from or who recorded it.

669
00:40:10.760 --> 00:40:15.760
When you have been out fishing or hunting over the years,

670
00:40:16.840 --> 00:40:20.920
have you ever had any other weird things happen that

671
00:40:21.840 --> 00:40:27.079
may not necessarily be contributed to Bigfoot, or it could

672
00:40:27.119 --> 00:40:27.840
be something else.

673
00:40:29.440 --> 00:40:31.360
I used to live in South America for a couple

674
00:40:31.360 --> 00:40:32.280
of years.

675
00:40:32.599 --> 00:40:35.000
There was an incident down there was some strange lights,

676
00:40:35.039 --> 00:40:37.880
but I wouldn't call it before we were in a

677
00:40:37.920 --> 00:40:41.639
small city. But other than that, I've been over to

678
00:40:41.679 --> 00:40:44.280
Mount Adams a couple of times and seeing some lights.

679
00:40:45.079 --> 00:40:47.760
But yeah, that's a whole nother story.

680
00:40:48.800 --> 00:40:51.800
Oh yeah, absolutely. Mount Adams, I believe is pretty well

681
00:40:51.840 --> 00:40:55.599
known for people seeing whatever is going on over there,

682
00:40:56.039 --> 00:41:00.800
UFOs or ups or lights in the sky, who really knows.

683
00:41:00.960 --> 00:41:03.519
And the immortal words of that forest ranger. There's a

684
00:41:03.559 --> 00:41:05.639
lot of weird blank that goes on up here.

685
00:41:05.760 --> 00:41:11.679
Yeah, absolutely for sure. Spending so many years out there

686
00:41:12.800 --> 00:41:15.519
in being in these areas, have you ever heard any

687
00:41:15.679 --> 00:41:20.920
stories from other people about bigfoot interactions that have stuck

688
00:41:20.960 --> 00:41:21.320
out to you.

689
00:41:24.119 --> 00:41:27.239
The friend of mine that went up to Blue Mountains

690
00:41:27.239 --> 00:41:30.960
a few weeks ago has had a few in his family,

691
00:41:31.079 --> 00:41:34.719
not him directly, but he related some of those family

692
00:41:34.800 --> 00:41:39.719
incidents to me, and those were pretty intriguing. The friend

693
00:41:39.719 --> 00:41:41.719
of mine that was fishing with me in twenty fifteen

694
00:41:41.760 --> 00:41:44.920
when he talked about the sounds that he had heard

695
00:41:45.000 --> 00:41:48.960
in the Sierras growing up outside the Sacramento was pretty intriguing.

696
00:41:50.039 --> 00:41:51.320
But other than that, I'm.

697
00:41:51.199 --> 00:41:57.119
Not really involved in any big footing communities or exposed.

698
00:41:57.159 --> 00:41:59.960
I would like to be. I just haven't ever done that,

699
00:42:00.719 --> 00:42:02.280
but I would love to. I would love to be

700
00:42:02.280 --> 00:42:04.639
involved with people that talk about that stuff.

701
00:42:06.840 --> 00:42:07.400
Absolutely.

702
00:42:07.440 --> 00:42:11.559
There are definitely some great gatherings that happen out where

703
00:42:11.599 --> 00:42:14.239
you're at out there in Oregon and Washington. There's the

704
00:42:14.280 --> 00:42:17.679
one that just happened in Randall, Washington, that was great.

705
00:42:17.920 --> 00:42:21.199
There's the one down Okrage, Oregon I go to that's

706
00:42:21.280 --> 00:42:25.559
great one too. I think there's one in Longview, Washington

707
00:42:26.440 --> 00:42:28.440
that one's good too from what I hear, Based on

708
00:42:28.559 --> 00:42:34.800
what you've experienced, in what you have seen and the

709
00:42:34.880 --> 00:42:39.559
evidence so far, do you have a certain leaning towards

710
00:42:40.320 --> 00:42:45.519
what Bigfoot is definition wise, if we're looking at maybe

711
00:42:45.679 --> 00:42:51.920
undiscovered ape or some ancestor of humans, or maybe something else.

712
00:42:54.440 --> 00:42:59.159
My very personal deep belief at this point.

713
00:43:00.280 --> 00:43:06.519
Not ape, more human, certainly intelligent and problem solving. And

714
00:43:06.639 --> 00:43:09.719
again you that it's a primates, but not to the

715
00:43:09.760 --> 00:43:13.800
point of building this or tree structures, turning trees upside

716
00:43:13.840 --> 00:43:17.199
down like on Victoria or a Prince of Wales Island

717
00:43:17.320 --> 00:43:18.440
up in British Columbia.

718
00:43:18.800 --> 00:43:19.079
Yep.

719
00:43:20.360 --> 00:43:25.159
So there yet, there's reasoning, there's problem solving, there's I

720
00:43:25.199 --> 00:43:28.320
believe that there's communication. I don't know to what level,

721
00:43:29.280 --> 00:43:33.480
but I think it's beyond primate what we would consider primate.

722
00:43:36.719 --> 00:43:37.760
I believe that they are.

723
00:43:41.519 --> 00:43:43.800
I guess you would have to classify as undiscovered because

724
00:43:43.800 --> 00:43:48.280
we haven't seen a body. But at the same time,

725
00:43:49.280 --> 00:43:53.880
there's enough physical evidence. I believe that in my mind, Yeah,

726
00:43:53.920 --> 00:43:56.800
they are real. I just don't know what they are,

727
00:43:57.679 --> 00:44:01.400
but they are real. After my first visit to com

728
00:44:01.480 --> 00:44:05.239
Calmly Lake in twenty twenty two, the summer of twenty

729
00:44:05.280 --> 00:44:07.079
twenty three, I was back over in that area of

730
00:44:07.159 --> 00:44:08.920
Ficient some other lakes and I stopped in at the

731
00:44:09.000 --> 00:44:15.840
ranger station in Trout Lake, and the for service worker

732
00:44:16.079 --> 00:44:19.039
at the desk at that time was a member of

733
00:44:19.079 --> 00:44:23.559
the Yakama nation, and I just happened to get into

734
00:44:23.559 --> 00:44:26.480
a conversation with her what had happened before, and she

735
00:44:26.599 --> 00:44:29.679
got this really shocked look on her face, and she said,

736
00:44:29.800 --> 00:44:36.159
you don't go up there alone anymore. And she told

737
00:44:36.159 --> 00:44:41.760
me that com Calmly and especially Coltis Lake is forbidden

738
00:44:41.920 --> 00:44:44.639
for the Yakama to go up there.

739
00:44:45.000 --> 00:44:46.360
It has been for centuries.

740
00:44:46.920 --> 00:44:49.159
And I asked her why and she said, that's because

741
00:44:49.280 --> 00:44:53.960
that is their home, that's all she would say.

742
00:44:55.800 --> 00:44:58.719
That lines up with what other things I've heard about

743
00:44:58.719 --> 00:45:03.760
people that have had dealing or interactions with the Yakama tribe.

744
00:45:03.840 --> 00:45:08.719
I've heard similar things. I don't think those have really

745
00:45:08.719 --> 00:45:10.480
been put on my show. You might be able to

746
00:45:10.480 --> 00:45:14.239
hear those on other shows. But that is extremely interesting

747
00:45:14.599 --> 00:45:18.760
that they have not had access to those areas for

748
00:45:18.880 --> 00:45:22.760
that long. Just wild. That's always wild stuff. Alan, This

749
00:45:22.840 --> 00:45:29.119
has been such a fascinating conversation. You are hitting some

750
00:45:29.440 --> 00:45:33.239
really interesting spots. Do you have any future plans on

751
00:45:34.039 --> 00:45:36.960
maybe try to continue going to these areas or what

752
00:45:37.000 --> 00:45:41.239
does the future hold for you you think immediate future.

753
00:45:42.800 --> 00:45:45.480
I can't go this coming weekend, but I currently am

754
00:45:45.559 --> 00:45:49.360
planning to go back up to deduct in two weeks

755
00:45:50.119 --> 00:45:51.800
just to look for more tracks, because this time I

756
00:45:51.840 --> 00:45:55.119
have plaster of Paris and some other supplies, and knowing

757
00:45:55.159 --> 00:45:58.079
my luck, I probably won't find anything that may been

758
00:45:58.079 --> 00:45:59.480
a once in a lifetime ordeal.

759
00:45:59.559 --> 00:46:01.480
I don't know, but I am going to go back

760
00:46:01.480 --> 00:46:03.159
to d Dock before the snow buries it.

761
00:46:04.920 --> 00:46:08.199
Other than that, it's probably a wait till spring time

762
00:46:08.280 --> 00:46:11.880
frame because Mount Adams will be snowed in, Helens will

763
00:46:11.920 --> 00:46:14.519
be snowed in, the Blue Mountains will be snowed in.

764
00:46:15.760 --> 00:46:23.480
So we'll definitely keep us in mind. If you do

765
00:46:23.639 --> 00:46:27.239
experience anything else in the future that you find interesting,

766
00:46:27.280 --> 00:46:29.800
we'd love to hear about it. You're welcome to reach out.

767
00:46:30.480 --> 00:46:33.039
But thank you so much for coming on the show. Alan,

768
00:46:33.079 --> 00:46:34.840
It's been a pleasure talking to you today.

769
00:46:36.039 --> 00:46:36.800
Thank you very much.

770
00:46:36.800 --> 00:46:38.199
I've enjoyed it. Appreciate your time.

771
00:46:40.079 --> 00:46:41.119
Hey, Poetic, what's up.

772
00:46:41.599 --> 00:46:45.280
Not much, just talking about some more stories in the woods.

773
00:46:46.239 --> 00:46:47.599
Experiences in the woods.

774
00:46:48.280 --> 00:46:51.719
I haven't had any actual sightings lately, but I definitely heard,

775
00:46:51.800 --> 00:46:56.400
like just out hiking not far from where my original

776
00:46:56.480 --> 00:47:00.679
sighting was, and I did hear like the tree knocking noises.

777
00:47:00.960 --> 00:47:04.400
And I don't know if it's just like acorns falling

778
00:47:04.440 --> 00:47:06.400
from trees right now this time of year or two.

779
00:47:06.760 --> 00:47:09.679
Sometimes if a tree like calls to me, I'll go

780
00:47:09.760 --> 00:47:13.719
over to it and touch it and ask, like the tree,

781
00:47:13.960 --> 00:47:17.639
if is bigfoot in the woods right now?

782
00:47:18.400 --> 00:47:19.840
Or can you tell me where he is?

783
00:47:21.079 --> 00:47:24.119
And I'll all of a sudden, I'll be standing there

784
00:47:24.159 --> 00:47:27.960
and I'll start smelling a really weird smell out of nowhere,

785
00:47:28.960 --> 00:47:31.719
like a like kind of that foul smelling thing that

786
00:47:31.800 --> 00:47:35.199
people talk about it with that's associated with the sightings.

787
00:47:36.159 --> 00:47:38.360
And then I'll ask the people that I'm with, like

788
00:47:38.400 --> 00:47:41.440
maybe my kids or my partner, and be like, do

789
00:47:41.480 --> 00:47:45.239
you guys also smell that really really weird smell? And

790
00:47:45.440 --> 00:47:48.519
nobody else seems to really smell it except for me,

791
00:47:48.760 --> 00:47:53.920
like when I'm touching the tree. So I don't know

792
00:47:54.039 --> 00:47:56.800
just and then there's like another time, like there's more

793
00:47:56.840 --> 00:48:01.239
incidences I had where I'm out hiking and I'll hike

794
00:48:01.320 --> 00:48:04.880
the same trail like every day for a few years.

795
00:48:05.440 --> 00:48:08.320
And this is like when I was living up in Clinton,

796
00:48:08.320 --> 00:48:10.280
New Jersey, I used to hike I think it was

797
00:48:10.320 --> 00:48:14.559
called the Capooling Trail behind the lumber yard in downtown

798
00:48:14.599 --> 00:48:18.159
Clinton Yard there's an old there's an old trail like

799
00:48:18.280 --> 00:48:19.320
along the river.

800
00:48:20.079 --> 00:48:22.559
And so I'd hike the same trail every day at the.

801
00:48:22.519 --> 00:48:24.960
Same time before I would go to work. I'd be

802
00:48:24.960 --> 00:48:27.920
out there at eight o'clock in the morning. And so

803
00:48:28.000 --> 00:48:29.920
one day I go out and I sometimes I just

804
00:48:30.039 --> 00:48:32.719
leave my phone at home because it's pretty safe and

805
00:48:32.760 --> 00:48:35.679
I know the area and it's not far from the town,

806
00:48:35.960 --> 00:48:37.679
so I felt pretty safe there.

807
00:48:37.719 --> 00:48:38.599
So I just start like.

808
00:48:38.679 --> 00:48:41.360
Leaving my phone at home because I want to really

809
00:48:41.480 --> 00:48:46.000
connect with nature and not be like distracted by my

810
00:48:46.039 --> 00:48:48.440
phone going off, because I've always liked that. I like

811
00:48:48.480 --> 00:48:53.079
that idea of really immersing in with nature. And so

812
00:48:53.159 --> 00:48:56.400
I'm out hiking, and you want I could try to

813
00:48:56.400 --> 00:48:59.400
bite frighten up the light. So I'm out hiking the

814
00:48:59.440 --> 00:49:03.480
same trail and then one day I look over in

815
00:49:03.559 --> 00:49:07.920
the creek next to the trail and somebody has stacked

816
00:49:08.440 --> 00:49:16.840
these stones perfectly in the shape of Stonehenge, like exact shape,

817
00:49:17.079 --> 00:49:21.400
and I've actually been somebody who studies Stonehenge, so I

818
00:49:21.480 --> 00:49:24.400
was aware of there's certain inner rings and outer rings,

819
00:49:24.400 --> 00:49:27.159
and there's like a hole. Somebody did like a perfect

820
00:49:27.280 --> 00:49:33.079
replica of Stonehenge, and so I quickly went back home

821
00:49:33.239 --> 00:49:35.639
to go get my phone and get a picture of it,

822
00:49:35.679 --> 00:49:38.920
because it was the most incredible thing that I had

823
00:49:38.920 --> 00:49:42.519
ever It was a beautiful when somebody found these perfect

824
00:49:42.559 --> 00:49:45.920
sized stones like exactly. It was like a little mini replica.

825
00:49:46.679 --> 00:49:49.320
And I go running back home to go get my

826
00:49:49.440 --> 00:49:53.320
phone and go tell my husband at the time. And

827
00:49:53.519 --> 00:49:56.119
by the time I came back, it was the water

828
00:49:56.239 --> 00:49:58.559
had risen because the creek was like low. It was

829
00:49:58.599 --> 00:50:00.280
like a low tide, so you could se see all

830
00:50:00.280 --> 00:50:03.239
the stones, and then the water came back up and

831
00:50:03.360 --> 00:50:06.280
washed it all before I could get a photo. But

832
00:50:06.320 --> 00:50:08.760
it was actually the most incredible thing that I had

833
00:50:08.800 --> 00:50:12.320
ever seen. It was really beautiful. So I've had a

834
00:50:12.360 --> 00:50:16.199
lot of experiences where I've seen things like that in

835
00:50:16.320 --> 00:50:19.760
nature when I'm just out hiking and there's just strange

836
00:50:20.039 --> 00:50:23.920
like kind of stones stacked up, or like somebody who's

837
00:50:23.920 --> 00:50:27.840
made like basically nature into some kind of form of art.

838
00:50:28.119 --> 00:50:29.920
And I've just had that kind of happen, And then

839
00:50:29.960 --> 00:50:31.800
every time I go back to go get like my

840
00:50:31.880 --> 00:50:36.559
camera or whatever or go tell someone, it's like there's

841
00:50:36.599 --> 00:50:38.920
nobody else there to witness it. So I feel like

842
00:50:38.960 --> 00:50:42.519
it's just a really beautiful gift from you know, nature,

843
00:50:42.880 --> 00:50:45.119
like the nature spirits or I don't know, I don't

844
00:50:45.119 --> 00:50:47.920
really know, but it's just really it's like a really

845
00:50:47.920 --> 00:50:49.440
cool experience.

846
00:50:49.320 --> 00:50:52.400
That's awesome. Do you ever have stuff show up around

847
00:50:52.440 --> 00:50:52.880
your house?

848
00:50:55.159 --> 00:50:55.480
Yeah?

849
00:50:55.639 --> 00:50:59.599
I do sometimes, like my daughter's saying, oh, it's from

850
00:50:59.639 --> 00:51:04.719
the fair and or the angels, things like that.

851
00:51:04.800 --> 00:51:10.800
Yeah, are you still going up to the Berkshires or

852
00:51:10.840 --> 00:51:12.599
is that a one, one time deal.

853
00:51:12.960 --> 00:51:15.119
I've had a lot of experiences up there. One of

854
00:51:15.119 --> 00:51:17.800
my friends, my good friends, is a drummer, like a

855
00:51:17.840 --> 00:51:21.079
tribal drummer, and he lives up there on October Mountain.

856
00:51:21.920 --> 00:51:25.280
His house backs up he has like several acres on

857
00:51:25.320 --> 00:51:27.920
the side of the mountain there. I've stayed with him

858
00:51:27.920 --> 00:51:30.840
a few times, like after since I had attended that

859
00:51:30.960 --> 00:51:34.920
yoga school, and he's only like about ten minutes down

860
00:51:34.920 --> 00:51:38.719
the road from where I had that very supernatural experience.

861
00:51:39.840 --> 00:51:42.239
And then I've slept at his house and had I

862
00:51:42.280 --> 00:51:46.440
saw weird lights in the sky. And he also says

863
00:51:46.480 --> 00:51:49.199
that his friend who sometimes stays there, she sees a

864
00:51:49.199 --> 00:51:53.000
lot of spirits that are like walking through his yard

865
00:51:53.239 --> 00:51:56.239
because supposedly there was like an old highway system that

866
00:51:56.360 --> 00:52:00.360
I guess people would walk to get to Boston or something,

867
00:52:00.559 --> 00:52:05.079
so she sees like the people still walking and stuff

868
00:52:05.119 --> 00:52:09.440
like that. So he claims that, yeah, that's just like

869
00:52:09.480 --> 00:52:15.239
a normal occurrence there, like people see things, and it

870
00:52:15.320 --> 00:52:17.239
seems like he just grew up around that area.

871
00:52:17.400 --> 00:52:19.960
So he says to me, it's just like a normal thing.

872
00:52:20.119 --> 00:52:23.000
Like I guess he doesn't really think a lot of it,

873
00:52:23.079 --> 00:52:25.920
but it really freaked me out, like staying at his

874
00:52:26.000 --> 00:52:28.039
house because I don't know if you've heard of the

875
00:52:28.039 --> 00:52:31.440
October Mountain. I think it's well known for hauntings and

876
00:52:31.480 --> 00:52:32.119
things like that.

877
00:52:32.920 --> 00:52:35.840
I know it's definitely well known for bigfoot activity.

878
00:52:36.360 --> 00:52:40.199
So yeah, I can go up anytime and visit him.

879
00:52:40.320 --> 00:52:42.760
I say, there are a few times and then I

880
00:52:42.840 --> 00:52:44.760
was just Okay, that's interesting.

881
00:52:45.119 --> 00:52:46.679
And like his house has all these.

882
00:52:46.559 --> 00:52:50.920
Big giant windows and no blinds or no curtains because

883
00:52:50.920 --> 00:52:54.159
he has no neighbors, and you can just see right

884
00:52:54.159 --> 00:52:56.760
out into the stars. When you stay at his house

885
00:52:56.800 --> 00:52:59.559
and I'm like, like, dude, doesn't that freak you out?

886
00:52:59.599 --> 00:53:02.159
I feel like spaceships just gonna come down and.

887
00:53:02.199 --> 00:53:02.840
Just take me.

888
00:53:03.159 --> 00:53:05.039
It just feels like you're and just get beamed up

889
00:53:05.079 --> 00:53:08.880
right into this guy right when you stay there. But

890
00:53:08.920 --> 00:53:12.320
he's a really eccentric, like drummer guy, so he guess

891
00:53:12.360 --> 00:53:12.920
he's whatever.

892
00:53:13.119 --> 00:53:16.519
He's totally into it. Yeah, thank you for coming up

893
00:53:16.559 --> 00:53:18.760
and for sharing some more stories. I appreciate it.

894
00:53:19.079 --> 00:53:21.320
Yeah, I definitely I got a lot of crazy stories.

895
00:53:21.360 --> 00:53:23.440
But like I said, the only sighting I actually had

896
00:53:23.639 --> 00:53:26.000
was when I was, like I said, eight nine years

897
00:53:26.000 --> 00:53:28.679
old and tried to convince myself that.

898
00:53:28.679 --> 00:53:29.719
It wasn't really real.

899
00:53:29.920 --> 00:53:32.440
So I don't know, but yeah, I definitely have had

900
00:53:32.480 --> 00:53:36.559
a lot of weird things happen, like out in nature

901
00:53:36.960 --> 00:53:37.440
and all that.

902
00:53:39.119 --> 00:53:41.679
Thank you thanks for having me.

903
00:53:42.159 --> 00:53:45.199
Yeah absolutely, could I put this on the podcast as well?

904
00:53:46.199 --> 00:53:49.119
Yeah, you could add more of that to the podcast

905
00:53:49.199 --> 00:53:49.639
for sure.

906
00:53:49.840 --> 00:53:50.079
Yeah.

907
00:53:50.199 --> 00:53:53.280
I like now that I've been like telling these stories,

908
00:53:53.360 --> 00:53:56.199
it's like more memories keep coming up and I'm like, oh,

909
00:53:56.239 --> 00:54:00.360
there was that time that I saw this, and now

910
00:54:00.360 --> 00:54:04.199
that it's interesting how when you start remembering things, Yeah,

911
00:54:04.199 --> 00:54:06.920
you start more things keep coming up, and I'm like, oh,

912
00:54:06.920 --> 00:54:09.159
there was that other time I was outside and then

913
00:54:09.199 --> 00:54:09.920
this happened.

914
00:54:10.079 --> 00:54:12.079
So anyways, I.

915
00:54:12.239 --> 00:54:13.960
Was going to talk to you. Thanks for coming up

916
00:54:14.000 --> 00:54:15.920
and hanging out all right.

917
00:54:16.000 --> 00:54:18.440
Yeah, good to talk to you. Thank you for having me.

918
00:54:19.119 --> 00:54:19.519
A good one.

919
00:54:19.559 --> 00:54:22.559
How are you great? Are you coming up to share

920
00:54:22.599 --> 00:54:23.719
a Bigfoot story tonight?

921
00:54:24.079 --> 00:54:24.280
Yeah?

922
00:54:24.320 --> 00:54:27.159
I had an encounter with what I believe was Bigfoot

923
00:54:27.639 --> 00:54:32.480
in the nineteen seventies. Oh well, So this happened in

924
00:54:32.719 --> 00:54:38.480
Hortage County, little village called Manaway, Ohio. And I was

925
00:54:38.519 --> 00:54:42.239
about seven years old, seven or eight years old, and

926
00:54:42.480 --> 00:54:45.920
there was a lot of sightings at that time of

927
00:54:46.159 --> 00:54:51.599
Bigfoot in that area. And one day I was playing

928
00:54:51.599 --> 00:54:53.880
out in the yard and the parents were sitting around.

929
00:54:53.920 --> 00:54:55.960
I think we were having a barbecue or something like that.

930
00:54:56.440 --> 00:54:58.639
But anyway, the parents were talking about it.

931
00:54:58.639 --> 00:55:03.599
It was in the news, was in the it was

932
00:55:03.639 --> 00:55:04.320
on the radio.

933
00:55:04.800 --> 00:55:08.960
People were really talking about seeing Bigfoot a lot in Ohio.

934
00:55:09.639 --> 00:55:11.280
Okay, I didn't think nothing about it. I was a

935
00:55:11.280 --> 00:55:12.800
little I was playing around everything.

936
00:55:13.519 --> 00:55:19.760
A few weeks later after that happened, I was laying

937
00:55:19.800 --> 00:55:23.480
in my bed getting ready to go to sleep, and

938
00:55:24.360 --> 00:55:28.000
I heard this big bang on the side of the house,

939
00:55:28.159 --> 00:55:31.960
and it hit the house so hard that it shook

940
00:55:32.119 --> 00:55:35.920
my room, and it was very loud, and it scared me.

941
00:55:36.079 --> 00:55:37.320
I had no idea what it was.

942
00:55:37.920 --> 00:55:42.320
And my side, my bedroom was higher up off the ground,

943
00:55:42.400 --> 00:55:46.199
so my window was the highest point of the house.

944
00:55:47.039 --> 00:55:50.599
So the next morning I still remembered what happened, that

945
00:55:51.199 --> 00:55:54.559
loud bang on the side of the house and how

946
00:55:54.599 --> 00:55:55.519
everything just shook.

947
00:55:55.880 --> 00:55:57.920
So I went out there. I went out there around

948
00:55:57.920 --> 00:56:00.880
the house to look and see what it was.

949
00:56:01.159 --> 00:56:05.599
And there was a huge, bigfoot print on the side

950
00:56:05.639 --> 00:56:06.559
of the house.

951
00:56:08.280 --> 00:56:09.400
And it looked like.

952
00:56:10.920 --> 00:56:13.519
What bigfoot would it He would have kicked the side

953
00:56:13.519 --> 00:56:14.039
of the house.

954
00:56:18.440 --> 00:56:21.920
Oh my goodness, that is intense. That whole area was going.

955
00:56:22.039 --> 00:56:25.199
You're right, did have a lot of encounters, yeah, going

956
00:56:25.239 --> 00:56:28.039
on in that time period, because I think that was

957
00:56:28.079 --> 00:56:31.880
that around Minerva too, Yeah, like the Minerva monster stuff.

958
00:56:31.960 --> 00:56:32.880
Yeah.

959
00:56:32.920 --> 00:56:35.440
So the footprint you saw on the side of your house,

960
00:56:35.480 --> 00:56:36.639
could you see toes at all?

961
00:56:37.559 --> 00:56:41.280
Yes, it had toes. No, you could plainly tell. It

962
00:56:41.320 --> 00:56:45.599
was no shoe. It was a bare foot. It was

963
00:56:45.679 --> 00:56:49.360
like a mud print on this and it was high up,

964
00:56:49.559 --> 00:56:55.440
very high up, and it was very large very large,

965
00:56:55.480 --> 00:56:59.480
and I don't remember from what I do remember, it

966
00:56:59.639 --> 00:57:00.400
wasn't like.

967
00:57:00.639 --> 00:57:02.800
Our feet, like all five toes.

968
00:57:03.920 --> 00:57:06.239
I can't remember exactly what it looked like, but it

969
00:57:06.280 --> 00:57:08.639
didn't look uniformed, you know what I'm saying.

970
00:57:08.840 --> 00:57:12.960
It just looked different than a human foot.

971
00:57:14.760 --> 00:57:18.199
Goodness, were your neighbors having things happen as well?

972
00:57:18.559 --> 00:57:21.880
No, I just heard my parents talking about it. I

973
00:57:21.920 --> 00:57:24.199
never thought nothing about it. I just a little kid

974
00:57:24.239 --> 00:57:28.159
thought it was interesting and they were talking about how

975
00:57:28.480 --> 00:57:31.119
like I think of the sheriff in that town had

976
00:57:31.320 --> 00:57:34.800
a couple of people had witnessed things, and I just

977
00:57:34.880 --> 00:57:38.360
never really thought about it anymore. Two weeks later, I

978
00:57:38.400 --> 00:57:41.519
heard the loudest thing on the side of my house

979
00:57:41.880 --> 00:57:44.639
in my room, on the outside of my room, and

980
00:57:44.679 --> 00:57:48.400
I just shook the things on the walls. The walls shook,

981
00:57:49.519 --> 00:57:52.320
and it was up hot high, like it was too

982
00:57:52.320 --> 00:57:53.920
big for a human to have done it.

983
00:57:54.920 --> 00:57:59.880
But I know what I've seen. I know what happened

984
00:57:59.880 --> 00:58:04.360
at night.

985
00:58:03.679 --> 00:58:06.519
Absolutely, Whether it was bigfoot or not, I don't know

986
00:58:07.360 --> 00:58:07.960
what happened.

987
00:58:09.719 --> 00:58:13.079
I appreciate you coming up and sharing what you experienced

988
00:58:13.280 --> 00:58:16.239
back then. Is this a conversation where I could put

989
00:58:16.280 --> 00:58:21.480
it on my Bigfoot podcast. Yeah, sure, awesome. Hey, thank

990
00:58:21.519 --> 00:58:23.480
you so much for coming up and hanging out. I

991
00:58:23.519 --> 00:58:24.239
appreciate it.

992
00:58:24.559 --> 00:58:27.280
Okay, have a good night. Thank you for having me too.

993
00:58:28.800 --> 00:58:32.800
Good stuff, good stuff. Hey, Nicole, what's up? Hi?

994
00:58:33.239 --> 00:58:34.239
PMW sent me.

995
00:58:34.320 --> 00:58:36.320
He just told me to hop on because we've been

996
00:58:36.320 --> 00:58:40.880
swapping bigfoot stories last week or so, and sent me

997
00:58:40.960 --> 00:58:45.960
the podcast about the one out in Fall Creek story

998
00:58:46.199 --> 00:58:49.440
the other night, about how I was camping out up

999
00:58:49.480 --> 00:58:53.159
near Oakridge, between Fall Creek and Oakridge, just out in

1000
00:58:53.159 --> 00:58:58.079
the mountains one night and I went to bed out

1001
00:58:58.119 --> 00:59:03.000
in my tent. And I've been out in the wilderness

1002
00:59:03.039 --> 00:59:05.239
like all my life, so I know the sounds of

1003
00:59:05.280 --> 00:59:09.400
like animals, footprints and whatever. And I had heard deer

1004
00:59:09.639 --> 00:59:11.920
in the area a couple hours.

1005
00:59:11.599 --> 00:59:12.760
Before I had gone to sleep.

1006
00:59:12.840 --> 00:59:15.679
And then after I was laying in my tent in

1007
00:59:15.719 --> 00:59:17.920
the middle of the night, I woke up. I heard

1008
00:59:18.480 --> 00:59:21.239
like footsteps a few feet around my tent, like it

1009
00:59:21.320 --> 00:59:24.079
kept circling. But it wasn't like a bear or deer

1010
00:59:24.159 --> 00:59:28.159
or anything. It was like two big, heavy footprints and

1011
00:59:28.239 --> 00:59:31.039
you can just tell the difference. And it just kept

1012
00:59:31.079 --> 00:59:34.239
circling my tent and like stopping, and I was by myself,

1013
00:59:34.280 --> 00:59:36.880
and I'm pretty like petite, so I was like scared

1014
00:59:36.920 --> 00:59:38.920
to death. And at first I was like as a

1015
00:59:39.039 --> 00:59:41.639
people out there, but it was only like two feet

1016
00:59:41.800 --> 00:59:45.880
like I could tell, and so I just like was frozen.

1017
00:59:46.000 --> 00:59:49.159
I didn't move like I was carrying. But again I'm

1018
00:59:49.239 --> 00:59:52.679
like a little tiny woman, so it's still not very

1019
00:59:52.880 --> 00:59:56.320
set comforting. So I just laid there for like hours,

1020
00:59:56.360 --> 00:59:58.440
and it went on for a while, like it would

1021
00:59:58.440 --> 01:00:01.159
circle my tent, and then it would and I could

1022
01:00:01.239 --> 01:00:04.199
hear it like breathing, and then it would circle again,

1023
01:00:04.360 --> 01:00:06.320
and it went on for a while and then it

1024
01:00:06.400 --> 01:00:10.159
went away, and I was like so scared to even.

1025
01:00:09.960 --> 01:00:11.440
Go to my truck or whatever.

1026
01:00:11.880 --> 01:00:14.280
I have not gone out by myself since then, like

1027
01:00:14.360 --> 01:00:17.559
camping overnight like ever again, because it scared the absolute

1028
01:00:17.599 --> 01:00:18.199
crap out of me.

1029
01:00:19.079 --> 01:00:22.039
I don't blame you. That's bonkers, Okay. So I don't

1030
01:00:22.039 --> 01:00:25.440
know if your friend has told you. I have interviewed

1031
01:00:25.960 --> 01:00:29.360
almost fifty people just out of Oakridge. So is this

1032
01:00:29.760 --> 01:00:32.840
closer to Fall Creek or closer to Oakridge?

1033
01:00:33.239 --> 01:00:35.280
It was pretty in the middle. I have a lot

1034
01:00:35.360 --> 01:00:38.159
of places I go out there, all hit our dirt

1035
01:00:38.239 --> 01:00:42.239
road and then just go out into remote but yeah,

1036
01:00:42.360 --> 01:00:44.239
it was like I've been out there. I grew up

1037
01:00:44.280 --> 01:00:48.239
out there, so I've had some creepy experiences, but that

1038
01:00:48.280 --> 01:00:51.800
one was by far definitely was not an animal. You

1039
01:00:51.920 --> 01:00:54.880
just you know the difference, and it was terrifying. I've

1040
01:00:54.880 --> 01:00:57.079
never been in the woods ever.

1041
01:00:57.960 --> 01:01:01.119
Oh my goodness, that's horrifying. So you weren't like down

1042
01:01:01.159 --> 01:01:03.679
by Lookout Point or Ivan Oaks like you're out in

1043
01:01:03.760 --> 01:01:04.280
the woods.

1044
01:01:04.559 --> 01:01:06.639
Yeah, I was out in the woods, just way out

1045
01:01:06.880 --> 01:01:09.800
like I like to go out into like remote areas

1046
01:01:09.880 --> 01:01:14.679
and explore and find new places or whatever. But yeah,

1047
01:01:14.679 --> 01:01:18.519
I was terrifying, very terrifying. I haven't gotten out by

1048
01:01:18.559 --> 01:01:20.599
myself since. I mean I probably won't.

1049
01:01:21.960 --> 01:01:23.800
You were you up by Saddle Blanket Mountain?

1050
01:01:24.599 --> 01:01:26.920
Yeah, I was out that way, Yeah you were.

1051
01:01:27.079 --> 01:01:28.679
Okay, that's awesome.

1052
01:01:28.800 --> 01:01:29.000
Yeah.

1053
01:01:29.039 --> 01:01:30.960
He told me that you've been doing a lot of

1054
01:01:31.000 --> 01:01:34.400
interviews for this area. And I started listening to the

1055
01:01:34.400 --> 01:01:37.239
podcast earlier and then I finished it later for Faull Creek,

1056
01:01:37.360 --> 01:01:39.159
but wanted to hop on and.

1057
01:01:39.119 --> 01:01:41.760
Tell you, oh, thank you. I appreciate that this Saddle

1058
01:01:41.800 --> 01:01:45.559
Blanket has a really weird encounter that has a portal

1059
01:01:45.639 --> 01:01:49.960
and a hairy arm coming out of the portal and

1060
01:01:50.719 --> 01:01:54.760
almost getting a guy. It's wacky. It's a really wacky.

1061
01:01:54.840 --> 01:01:57.119
Area out there.

1062
01:01:57.159 --> 01:01:57.800
It really is.

1063
01:01:58.480 --> 01:02:02.280
Like I said, it's definitely not my first creepy encounter

1064
01:02:02.400 --> 01:02:05.320
I pad out there, but it was definitely my most terrifying,

1065
01:02:05.440 --> 01:02:07.079
like the closest one I've.

1066
01:02:06.920 --> 01:02:07.519
Had to me.

1067
01:02:07.760 --> 01:02:12.880
So, would people talk about bigfoot stuff growing up in

1068
01:02:12.880 --> 01:02:13.360
that area?

1069
01:02:13.920 --> 01:02:16.320
Oh yeah, definitely. I lived out there for years.

1070
01:02:16.400 --> 01:02:18.960
I went to the Pleasant Hill and lived in Dexter

1071
01:02:19.079 --> 01:02:22.960
and all that, and I grew up in Oakridge a

1072
01:02:23.039 --> 01:02:26.159
lot for years. So people they always told stories, and

1073
01:02:26.679 --> 01:02:28.559
as a kid you just thought it was a joke.

1074
01:02:28.679 --> 01:02:31.719
But growing up out there and then going out in

1075
01:02:31.760 --> 01:02:34.280
the woods on my own a lot, it is definitely

1076
01:02:34.320 --> 01:02:34.840
not a joke.

1077
01:02:34.920 --> 01:02:35.559
It's for real.

1078
01:02:35.840 --> 01:02:38.079
Absolutely, I don't want to keep you a ton. But

1079
01:02:38.320 --> 01:02:40.519
did there seem to be an area where a lot

1080
01:02:40.559 --> 01:02:43.480
of those stories would be focused on in that area

1081
01:02:43.559 --> 01:02:44.760
or just all over the place?

1082
01:02:45.320 --> 01:02:46.280
All over the place.

1083
01:02:46.320 --> 01:02:48.559
That really depends on who you talk to, but definitely

1084
01:02:48.760 --> 01:02:51.039
I heard more stories. Like the more you go, like

1085
01:02:51.239 --> 01:02:54.440
up towards Oak Ridge, get deep into the mountains out there,

1086
01:02:54.800 --> 01:02:56.000
the more stories you'll hear.

1087
01:02:56.199 --> 01:03:01.760
So are you talking about going up on like high prairie,

1088
01:03:01.840 --> 01:03:04.119
or you're actually talking about going in the woods that

1089
01:03:04.400 --> 01:03:06.480
the mountains that are up around oh Bridge.

1090
01:03:06.840 --> 01:03:08.639
Honestly, both boys out there.

1091
01:03:08.880 --> 01:03:10.519
I love it out there. It's beautiful.

1092
01:03:10.599 --> 01:03:16.800
It's a nice area, but it's definitely sketchy sometimes absolutely absolutely.

1093
01:03:16.840 --> 01:03:19.920
Hey, I appreciate you coming up, Nicole. Hey, are you

1094
01:03:20.079 --> 01:03:24.199
cool if I put this conversation in the podcast I.

1095
01:03:24.159 --> 01:03:26.800
Have Yeah, go ahead of course, all.

1096
01:03:26.760 --> 01:03:29.840
Right, cool, awesome, Hey, I'll be out there next July.

1097
01:03:30.159 --> 01:03:32.000
Have a good one and thanks. Oh yeah, I go

1098
01:03:32.119 --> 01:03:34.360
to the Bigfoot Festival every year.

1099
01:03:34.280 --> 01:03:36.280
So yes, I was telling him about that.

1100
01:03:36.360 --> 01:03:37.440
Cool, Okay, thank you.

1101
01:03:37.920 --> 01:03:40.599
All right, have a good one that's going.

1102
01:03:40.679 --> 01:03:47.159
But good.

1103
01:03:47.519 --> 01:03:50.199
Are you coming up to share an experience that you had?

1104
01:03:50.599 --> 01:03:50.840
Sure?

1105
01:03:50.960 --> 01:03:52.280
Let me turn down the game, we'll watch it.

1106
01:03:52.800 --> 01:03:53.440
Yeah, thank you.

1107
01:03:53.519 --> 01:03:55.639
I was going to ask you about that. I appreciate that.

1108
01:03:57.559 --> 01:04:03.679
So we were up a snowboarding in Whistler, Canada, and

1109
01:04:03.760 --> 01:04:07.400
we left about midnight heading back home. And the first

1110
01:04:07.480 --> 01:04:10.760
river that you cross right there, there was something in

1111
01:04:10.800 --> 01:04:14.559
the straightaway on the left hand side. A long story short.

1112
01:04:16.000 --> 01:04:18.400
By the time we passed this thing, we were doing

1113
01:04:18.440 --> 01:04:20.960
like five miles an hour. So we got to observe

1114
01:04:21.000 --> 01:04:27.440
it so vividly, and I don't know the thing behind you.

1115
01:04:30.320 --> 01:04:32.719
The face structure is kind of the same, a flat nose.

1116
01:04:33.119 --> 01:04:35.360
The eyes were a little bit more in set, but

1117
01:04:35.480 --> 01:04:39.239
the mouth it was more of a chimpanzee mouth like

1118
01:04:39.760 --> 01:04:43.760
it was just almost ear to ear. The lips they

1119
01:04:43.760 --> 01:04:46.920
were very thin. They were thin like that, but they

1120
01:04:46.960 --> 01:04:49.599
just didn't look like him. But the funny thing is

1121
01:04:49.719 --> 01:04:55.360
he saw us coming for a good a minute because

1122
01:04:55.360 --> 01:04:57.280
we came out of the forest. It was a straightaway

1123
01:04:57.599 --> 01:05:00.119
and he's just stood there in front of that sign.

1124
01:05:00.480 --> 01:05:04.199
And when we pulled over, it took one step and

1125
01:05:04.280 --> 01:05:06.559
jumped in the river. And this was December twenty first,

1126
01:05:06.639 --> 01:05:11.480
nineteen ninety six. And when we got out, we like

1127
01:05:11.599 --> 01:05:13.360
walked over to the river. I don't know why. We

1128
01:05:13.360 --> 01:05:18.480
were teenagers, and all you heard was like it was

1129
01:05:18.559 --> 01:05:21.199
walking up river in the middle of the winter, snow everywhere,

1130
01:05:21.519 --> 01:05:23.480
and all we saw. What was weird about it was

1131
01:05:23.519 --> 01:05:25.039
he was standing in front of that sign. We saw

1132
01:05:25.320 --> 01:05:27.599
two footprints in front of the sign and then one

1133
01:05:27.599 --> 01:05:31.280
foot one footprint to the river, and that was it.

1134
01:05:31.719 --> 01:05:34.280
So I think he came down the hill the mountain side,

1135
01:05:34.400 --> 01:05:36.360
because driving over to the whistler. It's all kind of

1136
01:05:36.440 --> 01:05:39.079
rock face, so I think maybe he climbed down. I

1137
01:05:39.079 --> 01:05:42.920
don't understand. But the thing that we saw I touched

1138
01:05:42.920 --> 01:05:44.920
the bottom of that sign, and his head was above

1139
01:05:44.960 --> 01:05:49.360
that sign was eleven to thirteen foot tall. I mean

1140
01:05:49.440 --> 01:05:54.760
it was the biggest thing, the biggest. It's undescribable. I

1141
01:05:54.760 --> 01:05:58.280
mean it's like if that guy was to be the

1142
01:05:58.280 --> 01:06:00.639
guy that I saw, and he was whole in my hand,

1143
01:06:00.719 --> 01:06:04.599
I would probably come up to maybe above his pelvis.

1144
01:06:06.719 --> 01:06:07.159
Wow.

1145
01:06:09.559 --> 01:06:15.880
A whistler British Columbia, which is kinda in southern British Columbia.

1146
01:06:15.960 --> 01:06:16.119
Right.

1147
01:06:17.199 --> 01:06:20.280
It's western, so you go up to Vancouver, BC and

1148
01:06:20.360 --> 01:06:23.320
then you head west for like an hour. I mean

1149
01:06:23.440 --> 01:06:27.199
it is absolutely in the middle of nowhere. I mean

1150
01:06:27.400 --> 01:06:29.559
it's just in the middle of the mountains. It's beautiful,

1151
01:06:29.840 --> 01:06:33.079
the most top two most beautiful places I've ever been.

1152
01:06:34.400 --> 01:06:37.159
Wow, what color did you say it was? Again?

1153
01:06:37.960 --> 01:06:39.000
He was a brownish black?

1154
01:06:39.800 --> 01:06:41.960
Okay, gotcha.

1155
01:06:43.000 --> 01:06:43.440
I don't know.

1156
01:06:43.599 --> 01:06:46.880
It's human. It was more human than than an animal.

1157
01:06:47.360 --> 01:06:54.360
I mean, but he has gorilla characteristics, like his forearms

1158
01:06:54.360 --> 01:06:57.880
were bigger than his biceps. You could tell how people

1159
01:06:57.920 --> 01:07:02.000
talk because I listened to Sasquatch chronicle. You can tell

1160
01:07:02.039 --> 01:07:05.360
how it could easily run on all fours. I don't

1161
01:07:05.440 --> 01:07:08.159
understand the spider crawl thing, but if they do do

1162
01:07:08.280 --> 01:07:12.119
spider crawl, his fore arms were bigger than his biceps,

1163
01:07:12.119 --> 01:07:14.880
and his arms and his hands, I mean, his hands

1164
01:07:14.880 --> 01:07:20.559
could just just they were so big it's undescribable. Once again,

1165
01:07:20.599 --> 01:07:23.360
it was undescribable, but I could see how maybe they

1166
01:07:23.360 --> 01:07:27.920
could spider crawl, but it's his shoulder blades were over

1167
01:07:28.119 --> 01:07:31.519
four four or five feet wide. And once again, when

1168
01:07:31.559 --> 01:07:34.000
we passed him, there was three of us in the car,

1169
01:07:34.360 --> 01:07:37.039
and we realized what he was doing about thirty five

1170
01:07:37.079 --> 01:07:40.239
miles an hour because in the back seat, my friend goes,

1171
01:07:40.360 --> 01:07:42.920
is that a hairy hippie? And Chris and I he goes,

1172
01:07:42.920 --> 01:07:45.119
that's a sasquatch, and I go, that's a bigfoot all

1173
01:07:45.159 --> 01:07:48.199
at the same time. So we start slowing down and

1174
01:07:48.239 --> 01:07:50.800
it's frozen. It's not looking at us. It's kind of

1175
01:07:50.840 --> 01:07:53.559
looking away, so I guess, so the headlights don't go

1176
01:07:53.639 --> 01:07:55.880
in his eyes or whatever. But he didn't look at us,

1177
01:07:56.199 --> 01:07:59.960
but he didn't move, and his hands his fingers were webbed,

1178
01:08:00.119 --> 01:08:05.320
doubt like, like you're about to I don't know spirit

1179
01:08:05.400 --> 01:08:11.920
fingers as a cheerleader or something like this. Yes, except

1180
01:08:12.480 --> 01:08:15.519
they were down by his side out like he almost

1181
01:08:15.559 --> 01:08:17.640
was posing like I'm a tree. I'm a tree. I'm

1182
01:08:17.680 --> 01:08:19.279
a tree. You don't see me. You don't see me,

1183
01:08:19.640 --> 01:08:23.479
you know, And I don't know. It's just weird. Why

1184
01:08:23.520 --> 01:08:26.399
he stood there. That's that's the biggest question for me,

1185
01:08:26.520 --> 01:08:27.920
is like why did why did you stand there?

1186
01:08:28.000 --> 01:08:28.239
Dude?

1187
01:08:28.479 --> 01:08:29.199
Like why?

1188
01:08:29.399 --> 01:08:33.640
I don't get it? And then why we got out

1189
01:08:33.720 --> 01:08:41.039
of the car. We just didn't know what it was, right, ohness,

1190
01:08:41.159 --> 01:08:44.119
that is a wild wild sighting.

1191
01:08:46.079 --> 01:08:49.319
So you mentioned that the mouth was very wide. Were

1192
01:08:49.359 --> 01:08:51.119
you able to see teeth at any time?

1193
01:08:51.640 --> 01:08:53.640
Nope, he didn't show no teeth. I didn't get to

1194
01:08:53.640 --> 01:08:56.239
see the eyes. I did see that the the the

1195
01:08:56.680 --> 01:09:00.960
eyebrow ridge was kind of like Neanderthal. I mean it did.

1196
01:09:01.439 --> 01:09:04.039
His eyes were kind of in set a little bit,

1197
01:09:04.359 --> 01:09:06.960
and they were big. Once again, the thing was thirteen

1198
01:09:07.119 --> 01:09:13.159
twelve thirteen foot tall, his head probably I don't know,

1199
01:09:13.239 --> 01:09:15.479
foot and half wide. I mean it was a big head,

1200
01:09:15.680 --> 01:09:18.920
like a big head, but it was more so when

1201
01:09:18.960 --> 01:09:21.560
I started looking at him, I wanted to see his

1202
01:09:21.640 --> 01:09:24.279
face and I'm bending down in the seat to look

1203
01:09:24.359 --> 01:09:25.920
up at him, but he wouldn't look at me. So

1204
01:09:25.960 --> 01:09:29.399
I got to as I drove by, I just scanned

1205
01:09:29.479 --> 01:09:30.880
him and we had the high beams on, so we

1206
01:09:30.920 --> 01:09:33.039
got to see this thing coming up on him at

1207
01:09:33.079 --> 01:09:36.479
one hundred yards at twenty miles an hour, fifteen ten

1208
01:09:36.800 --> 01:09:38.640
and when we passed and when we're doing five and

1209
01:09:38.680 --> 01:09:42.479
we're like, just it was frozen. It just didn't move.

1210
01:09:42.640 --> 01:09:45.319
I mean it was. It was the weirdest, scariest. It

1211
01:09:45.359 --> 01:09:50.720
wasn't scary until we got out, and that's when I

1212
01:09:50.720 --> 01:09:54.279
don't know, it was just it was weird. It didn't

1213
01:09:55.359 --> 01:09:56.119
it just stood there.

1214
01:09:57.920 --> 01:10:01.680
Was it covered with hair everywhere? Or were there spots

1215
01:10:01.720 --> 01:10:03.920
that you noticed that there wasn't as much hair?

1216
01:10:05.159 --> 01:10:07.560
Okay, so he didn't have hair on his palms, because

1217
01:10:07.760 --> 01:10:09.680
here's another weird thing. When he was standing there with

1218
01:10:09.720 --> 01:10:12.920
his palm, his hands webbed out. His palms were showing

1219
01:10:12.960 --> 01:10:16.039
towards us, which is another weird little thing. So palms

1220
01:10:16.119 --> 01:10:19.439
kind of pinkish, little black pin in between a brown

1221
01:10:19.520 --> 01:10:23.960
and pink and you know, just no like that guy

1222
01:10:23.960 --> 01:10:28.600
in the background. No hair on the eyes, cheeks, a

1223
01:10:28.600 --> 01:10:32.760
little bit less on the chin. And yeah, so his

1224
01:10:32.800 --> 01:10:35.760
whole face didn't have hair on it, but just kind

1225
01:10:35.760 --> 01:10:36.960
of like that guy in the background.

1226
01:10:38.119 --> 01:10:41.800
So I know you said that the hands are down

1227
01:10:41.880 --> 01:10:44.359
by the side, right, but so you were looking at

1228
01:10:44.720 --> 01:10:47.439
it was like this towards you, Like the palms were

1229
01:10:47.439 --> 01:10:50.720
out towards you. Yeah, that's weird.

1230
01:10:51.119 --> 01:10:54.760
I couldn't tell you. It is weird. Like what are

1231
01:10:54.800 --> 01:10:58.039
you doing? Guy? Like you're the hide and Seek champion?

1232
01:10:58.079 --> 01:11:04.279
What And what baffles me is where we came out

1233
01:11:04.279 --> 01:11:06.279
of was like a straight stretch. So we're coming out

1234
01:11:06.279 --> 01:11:09.560
of the forest and then it dips down into a

1235
01:11:09.600 --> 01:11:13.680
strait of about a mile. But the cross in that river,

1236
01:11:13.760 --> 01:11:20.600
and it's the first river that you come across leaving Whistler.

1237
01:11:22.600 --> 01:11:25.039
He could see us for half a mile coming through

1238
01:11:25.079 --> 01:11:27.439
the woods. I mean, there was no reason if he

1239
01:11:27.479 --> 01:11:30.560
was afraid of a car or whatever, there was no

1240
01:11:30.640 --> 01:11:33.000
reason for him to stand there. And we saw him

1241
01:11:33.079 --> 01:11:35.680
from before we crossed the bridge. We saw the silhouette

1242
01:11:36.319 --> 01:11:39.119
in that sign. We're like, oh, is that a guy

1243
01:11:39.159 --> 01:11:41.640
over there? And this is ninety six, so we're, you know,

1244
01:11:41.760 --> 01:11:44.319
the grateful dead. We were hippie kids, and we're like, well,

1245
01:11:44.319 --> 01:11:46.359
we're going to pick him up. We're going to pick

1246
01:11:46.439 --> 01:11:48.039
him up and take him back to Whistler because we

1247
01:11:48.039 --> 01:11:50.199
were only like twenty thirty minutes outside of there, but

1248
01:11:50.239 --> 01:11:52.319
on the other side was like forty five minutes to

1249
01:11:52.399 --> 01:11:55.239
an hour before you came to the next gas station,

1250
01:11:56.039 --> 01:11:57.760
and we were going to stop and pick him up,

1251
01:11:58.319 --> 01:11:59.960
and that didn't work out.

1252
01:12:01.520 --> 01:12:07.359
Right, goodness. Did his head have a certain shape at all?

1253
01:12:08.880 --> 01:12:11.319
You know that? I I okay, So I am. I've

1254
01:12:11.399 --> 01:12:15.000
listened to every single Sasquatch chronicle and they can talk

1255
01:12:15.079 --> 01:12:19.319
about this cone head where the now he had like

1256
01:12:19.960 --> 01:12:22.000
he was like that guy behind you. I mean he had,

1257
01:12:22.439 --> 01:12:24.239
he had a head. It wasn't like a cone head,

1258
01:12:24.479 --> 01:12:29.359
but it was just so big. I mean it was

1259
01:12:29.399 --> 01:12:35.039
just so big. Yeah, I don't know. And his his legs,

1260
01:12:35.560 --> 01:12:37.560
I mean one leg was like the size of my

1261
01:12:37.640 --> 01:12:41.680
body almost like it was just once again, it's undescribable.

1262
01:12:42.079 --> 01:12:44.880
And then when I go and I see those trees

1263
01:12:45.079 --> 01:12:48.079
up in Canada and Alaska, they're like two foot around

1264
01:12:48.520 --> 01:12:51.000
with the with the roots on him that are like

1265
01:12:51.039 --> 01:12:54.359
two thousand pounds and they're driven in the ground. That's

1266
01:12:54.399 --> 01:13:00.359
the guy that does that. Absolutely, I mean, as he human.

1267
01:13:00.399 --> 01:13:02.159
You look at that and you're like, how okay, so

1268
01:13:02.239 --> 01:13:04.119
you get a bobcat up there or you get a

1269
01:13:04.159 --> 01:13:09.640
buld you know, like you're trying to evaluate machinery to

1270
01:13:09.720 --> 01:13:13.439
do it. Mm hmmm, I don't know.

1271
01:13:13.560 --> 01:13:17.000
Wow, that's so that's my story that that's an awesome,

1272
01:13:17.439 --> 01:13:19.920
awesome account. Thank you for sharing it. How long was

1273
01:13:19.920 --> 01:13:23.079
it before you told someone about what happens afterwards?

1274
01:13:24.239 --> 01:13:29.000
Every day? I mean every day? Cool? And you know

1275
01:13:29.119 --> 01:13:31.840
I've been in probably five or six bar fights over

1276
01:13:31.880 --> 01:13:34.079
it because people call you a liar. Oh, it doesn't

1277
01:13:34.760 --> 01:13:38.920
like bro, this is Do you believe in God? Well? Yeah,

1278
01:13:39.039 --> 01:13:39.800
have you seen him?

1279
01:13:41.359 --> 01:13:41.520
So?

1280
01:13:42.680 --> 01:13:44.239
Sorry?

1281
01:13:45.399 --> 01:13:45.720
Did it?

1282
01:13:47.359 --> 01:13:49.760
Did you have anything weird happened in your life because

1283
01:13:49.800 --> 01:13:52.039
of it? Maybe that was connected to it, you think.

1284
01:13:53.159 --> 01:13:54.079
Now, why do you ask that?

1285
01:13:54.760 --> 01:13:58.960
Because well some people Okay, no, go ahead, I can.

1286
01:13:59.039 --> 01:14:01.439
I can tell you why I have if you want.

1287
01:14:02.239 --> 01:14:06.880
Okay. So here's why I ask. Was it a spiritual intervention?

1288
01:14:07.600 --> 01:14:10.199
Because he doesn't show himself to everybody. Now we'll be

1289
01:14:10.239 --> 01:14:12.640
honest with you. We had bought two pounds of weed

1290
01:14:13.359 --> 01:14:18.000
up in Whistler from one of my friends, and three

1291
01:14:18.079 --> 01:14:21.399
hours later I got busted at the border with that

1292
01:14:21.439 --> 01:14:24.079
weed in the trunk. So I've always asked myself to

1293
01:14:24.199 --> 01:14:27.680
sasquatch come out and my grandmother's I'm Cherokee. My grandmother's

1294
01:14:27.680 --> 01:14:31.039
foot blood Cherokee, little spiritual on the shaman side. And

1295
01:14:31.079 --> 01:14:33.920
I was like, did that bigfoot show himself to me

1296
01:14:34.000 --> 01:14:36.079
to say, like turn around and go back to the

1297
01:14:36.079 --> 01:14:39.640
whistler for a day because there's trouble behind me. And

1298
01:14:39.720 --> 01:14:42.079
I got in trouble like three and a half hours later.

1299
01:14:42.159 --> 01:14:46.000
So I've always asked myself, was there a connection between

1300
01:14:46.039 --> 01:14:49.239
seeing him and my trouble? That's funny you asked that.

1301
01:14:49.640 --> 01:14:53.439
So, yeah, it's something I bring up because you know,

1302
01:14:53.479 --> 01:14:56.760
I've talked to so many people over the last five

1303
01:14:56.880 --> 01:15:00.159
years about their experiences and a lot of time as

1304
01:15:00.199 --> 01:15:03.159
people will say, yeah, after I had that sighting, then

1305
01:15:03.399 --> 01:15:07.159
stuff started happening, either weird stuff around the house or

1306
01:15:07.359 --> 01:15:12.000
you know, I started maybe hearing vices in my head

1307
01:15:12.359 --> 01:15:15.600
or just you know, all sorts of weird things. So

1308
01:15:15.920 --> 01:15:18.640
it's something I ask when I talk to people sometimes.

1309
01:15:18.640 --> 01:15:23.479
But man, I appreciate you coming up and sharing your experience.

1310
01:15:24.439 --> 01:15:27.800
I have a Bigfoot podcast. Is it all right if

1311
01:15:27.840 --> 01:15:29.319
I use this conversation on it?

1312
01:15:29.920 --> 01:15:30.840
Yeah? Please go ahead?

1313
01:15:31.600 --> 01:15:33.560
All right, Well, thank you, sir, Thank you.

1314
01:15:34.239 --> 01:15:35.000
All right, I'm a good air.

1315
01:15:38.840 --> 01:15:40.880
Hey there, how's it going good?

1316
01:15:40.880 --> 01:15:43.119
How you doing doing great?

1317
01:15:43.880 --> 01:15:46.960
Are you coming up to share a bigfoot experience you've had?

1318
01:15:47.720 --> 01:15:56.920
I am so. I've always kind of a believed in bigfoot,

1319
01:15:57.560 --> 01:16:02.600
but this would have been right around COVID time. I

1320
01:16:02.640 --> 01:16:06.399
was doing the flooring in my basement and my brother

1321
01:16:06.600 --> 01:16:09.359
was here with me doing it, and we're working till

1322
01:16:09.399 --> 01:16:12.920
like two in the morning. Came outside after we got

1323
01:16:13.000 --> 01:16:17.119
done smoking cigarette. I live in a swamp and we

1324
01:16:17.199 --> 01:16:22.920
actually have big footloor around where I'm at, and we're

1325
01:16:22.960 --> 01:16:28.840
talking smoking and I hear three loud like it sounds

1326
01:16:28.880 --> 01:16:34.840
like someone's building a fort in the woods in the swamp.

1327
01:16:35.840 --> 01:16:37.840
I looked at my brother. I was like, what is

1328
01:16:37.880 --> 01:16:41.960
out there building something right now? That's really weird. And

1329
01:16:44.279 --> 01:16:48.600
thirty seconds later it happened again, and it was audibly

1330
01:16:49.239 --> 01:16:52.119
farther away, and this went on. I could hear this

1331
01:16:52.279 --> 01:17:01.439
for a good two hours. And then talking with my brother,

1332
01:17:01.840 --> 01:17:04.560
he was there the day before and he had the

1333
01:17:04.600 --> 01:17:09.319
dog in the backyard. His dog's the nicest German shepherd

1334
01:17:09.439 --> 01:17:13.239
I've ever met in my life. Something in the woods

1335
01:17:13.760 --> 01:17:24.520
had him at the fence, just vicious as hell. I googled, like,

1336
01:17:24.600 --> 01:17:31.279
what natural animal knocks on something? Three times like that,

1337
01:17:31.560 --> 01:17:35.199
and the only thing I could find was bigfoot stuff.

1338
01:17:39.000 --> 01:17:43.520
That's the story, But I won no Like I was

1339
01:17:43.560 --> 01:17:46.640
a little sauced up as I was doing flooring, but

1340
01:17:46.680 --> 01:17:49.000
my brother was sober, and I'm looking at him like,

1341
01:17:49.319 --> 01:17:52.359
is this really happening? Do you hear this? And you

1342
01:17:52.399 --> 01:17:55.600
could tell. And it was silent when it moved, like

1343
01:17:55.640 --> 01:18:00.720
it was literally fifteen feet in the woods the first

1344
01:18:00.760 --> 01:18:05.000
time we heard it, but it moved silently, but it

1345
01:18:05.119 --> 01:18:09.439
was audibly farther away every time it would knock on

1346
01:18:10.079 --> 01:18:15.199
whatever the trees obviously, But yeah, it was I'm a

1347
01:18:15.239 --> 01:18:16.640
believer one hundred percent now.

1348
01:18:17.399 --> 01:18:20.039
Oh absolutely, And thank you for sharing that. Can you

1349
01:18:20.119 --> 01:18:24.600
share the the general area that that.

1350
01:18:23.720 --> 01:18:28.000
That happened in, like mid Michigan? Oh really?

1351
01:18:28.079 --> 01:18:30.680
Okay? Is anything else weird happening around the property?

1352
01:18:32.920 --> 01:18:39.439
Owls like to show up a lot. I'll talk with them,

1353
01:18:40.159 --> 01:18:41.039
barred owls.

1354
01:18:41.880 --> 01:18:42.239
Okay.

1355
01:18:42.720 --> 01:18:45.760
I thought it was bigfoot again one night because I'm

1356
01:18:45.800 --> 01:18:50.079
talking to an owl, just repeating the noises it's making

1357
01:18:50.119 --> 01:18:56.039
to me, and then it started making like almost monkey noises,

1358
01:18:56.119 --> 01:18:58.359
flew off into the woods, and then a load of

1359
01:18:58.399 --> 01:19:01.800
other monkey noises like it's a bunch bigfoots, but bart

1360
01:19:01.800 --> 01:19:03.840
owls do that exactly.

1361
01:19:03.960 --> 01:19:07.000
Yeah, yeah, And that's tricky because a lot of people

1362
01:19:07.319 --> 01:19:10.039
don't know that they can make things that are calls

1363
01:19:10.039 --> 01:19:11.800
that sound like monkeys. So it's good that.

1364
01:19:11.800 --> 01:19:12.279
You know that.

1365
01:19:13.279 --> 01:19:15.359
What you got to look out for is if they

1366
01:19:15.399 --> 01:19:20.000
sound like they're extremely large, or sometimes at the end

1367
01:19:20.039 --> 01:19:24.159
of the call they will almost like freak out or

1368
01:19:24.720 --> 01:19:27.439
kind of forget how to make their owl call. It's very,

1369
01:19:28.439 --> 01:19:31.039
very strange, So I don't know, keep an ear out

1370
01:19:31.079 --> 01:19:32.039
for that, for sure.

1371
01:19:33.000 --> 01:19:36.640
There was around the time it happened, a bunch of

1372
01:19:36.720 --> 01:19:38.880
dams had broke and there was a lot of flooding,

1373
01:19:39.760 --> 01:19:42.600
so I don't know if it pushed this thing out

1374
01:19:42.640 --> 01:19:46.600
of its normal habit. There's literally a gas station now

1375
01:19:46.640 --> 01:19:51.840
on the road that says Bigfoot pizzas, because apparently this

1376
01:19:51.960 --> 01:19:56.359
bigfoot likes to eat pizzas. I don't know, but there's

1377
01:19:56.479 --> 01:19:57.720
more here.

1378
01:20:00.600 --> 01:20:05.479
That is intense. Kind of I kind of look that up.

1379
01:20:05.520 --> 01:20:07.760
But my goodness is thank you for coming up and

1380
01:20:07.840 --> 01:20:11.720
for sharing that. It's just an account I can put

1381
01:20:11.760 --> 01:20:13.199
on my bigfoot podcast that I have.

1382
01:20:14.279 --> 01:20:15.560
Yeah, yeah, all right, well, thank you man.

1383
01:20:15.600 --> 01:20:17.199
I appreciate you coming up. You have a good one.

1384
01:20:17.399 --> 01:20:17.960
You're welcome.

1385
01:20:17.960 --> 01:20:18.880
Thanks for having me.

1386
01:20:20.079 --> 01:20:21.039
Joz, how are you?

1387
01:20:23.359 --> 01:20:33.399
Yes, this big but sighting happened in camp almost thirty

1388
01:20:33.479 --> 01:20:40.920
years ago, or it happened, uh twenty years ago or so,

1389
01:20:41.039 --> 01:20:45.600
I can't remember. But I was up in this camp

1390
01:20:45.680 --> 01:20:52.600
called Bedwood Speech Camp, and it's up in the northeast

1391
01:20:52.600 --> 01:20:59.479
of Oregon. And when I was in the cab cabin,

1392
01:21:01.960 --> 01:21:06.760
I was laying down and resting because it was like

1393
01:21:06.800 --> 01:21:12.960
twelve o'clock and that's usually right after lunch. Well, I

1394
01:21:13.000 --> 01:21:16.640
looked over to my left out in the window and

1395
01:21:16.720 --> 01:21:23.800
there's one of those checker kind of windows, and this

1396
01:21:24.560 --> 01:21:30.680
giant humanoid creature was staring at me, and I got

1397
01:21:30.720 --> 01:21:33.399
a pretty good glimpse. It was a light to dark

1398
01:21:33.520 --> 01:21:41.720
brown hair and about seven feet tall. And when I

1399
01:21:41.760 --> 01:21:45.079
was looking at it, I got the idea of taking

1400
01:21:45.079 --> 01:21:48.720
the picture. But then I forgot. I used up all

1401
01:21:48.760 --> 01:21:55.800
the camera and I'm mistaking myself. I'm such a dean

1402
01:21:55.880 --> 01:22:00.119
dong for he's in up all the camera. When I

1403
01:22:00.199 --> 01:22:02.680
now see one, I hope that makes sense.

1404
01:22:02.720 --> 01:22:04.119
I'm sorry, my tube is hurting me.

1405
01:22:05.319 --> 01:22:08.479
No, it makes perfect sense. And I think listeners need

1406
01:22:08.520 --> 01:22:11.680
to realize for a second. A lot of them are

1407
01:22:11.680 --> 01:22:14.199
going to be like, well, you don't run at a

1408
01:22:14.520 --> 01:22:16.760
pictures on your phone. Well, this is a different time.

1409
01:22:17.000 --> 01:22:21.319
You have disposable cameras maybe, or you have cameras with

1410
01:22:21.399 --> 01:22:24.399
a memory card and you don't have unlimited photos to take.

1411
01:22:24.520 --> 01:22:30.640
Right right, it was one of those disposable cameras and

1412
01:22:30.960 --> 01:22:37.680
it wasn't much film. However, I was trying to get

1413
01:22:37.720 --> 01:22:40.560
an eyewitness by one of my friends, but he was

1414
01:22:40.600 --> 01:22:44.159
busy talking, so by the time he got there, it

1415
01:22:44.199 --> 01:22:50.359
was gone already. And that was the first sighting in

1416
01:22:50.439 --> 01:22:53.479
my life I saw one. The second part in the

1417
01:22:53.560 --> 01:23:02.359
same camp was Friday first Day or Friday totally different

1418
01:23:02.560 --> 01:23:05.760
bigwood at this time, I mean totally different. It was

1419
01:23:07.159 --> 01:23:14.760
black and white with a few white hairs on its arm,

1420
01:23:15.119 --> 01:23:19.960
and I would love to share the pictures, but I

1421
01:23:20.000 --> 01:23:22.800
think I actually didn't to leave them. You know, I'm

1422
01:23:22.840 --> 01:23:30.039
not picture of strawings. Sorry, But it was a black bigwood,

1423
01:23:30.079 --> 01:23:33.159
and it was a lot taller. It reached the window

1424
01:23:34.239 --> 01:23:39.000
than any irregular human would and as it was going

1425
01:23:39.039 --> 01:23:43.199
to the checker window, it busted right through the lower

1426
01:23:43.359 --> 01:23:46.640
right and trying to grab the kid that was next

1427
01:23:46.680 --> 01:23:52.079
to it, and people were the kids were screaming. I

1428
01:23:52.239 --> 01:23:57.920
was screaming, and it ran off and got scared, and

1429
01:24:00.640 --> 01:24:03.199
I didn't know what it looked like. Oh I knew

1430
01:24:03.319 --> 01:24:08.600
that it had black skin and hair from the wrist

1431
01:24:08.960 --> 01:24:11.880
up and then from the rest down was just bear.

1432
01:24:14.479 --> 01:24:20.680
Okay, Wow, that's that's intense. Also twenty years ago for

1433
01:24:20.720 --> 01:24:21.560
that as well.

1434
01:24:23.520 --> 01:24:28.119
Yeah, I think twenty four years okay, but I'm remembering or.

1435
01:24:28.159 --> 01:24:33.000
Right, gotcha, And I'm looking up the camp real quick.

1436
01:24:33.039 --> 01:24:40.560
It looks like this is over in western Oregon. Yeah, okay,

1437
01:24:40.800 --> 01:24:44.560
or Umatilla County, which is there's a ton of reports

1438
01:24:44.600 --> 01:24:49.479
for that county. And I mean I've talked to people. Well,

1439
01:24:49.520 --> 01:24:54.439
I mean that's it's it's a little west of You're

1440
01:24:56.079 --> 01:24:58.560
like d Duck Springs and the Blue Mountains and all

1441
01:24:58.600 --> 01:25:03.159
that stuff, but not not extremely in the woods. It's

1442
01:25:03.239 --> 01:25:04.880
kind of outside of the woods, right.

1443
01:25:06.640 --> 01:25:06.880
Right.

1444
01:25:09.079 --> 01:25:13.720
I did hear it scream early in the morning, but

1445
01:25:13.760 --> 01:25:18.039
then then I heard someone that was trying to fix

1446
01:25:18.119 --> 01:25:22.439
the truck. So I, as a logical person trying to

1447
01:25:22.439 --> 01:25:26.039
do logically separate the two, you know, so I won't

1448
01:25:26.039 --> 01:25:34.479
get too can't fused and crazy. I was like, Okay,

1449
01:25:34.520 --> 01:25:39.319
that's probably what I heard. The one that will busted

1450
01:25:39.359 --> 01:25:43.760
the window. I thought personally that it was one of

1451
01:25:43.800 --> 01:25:48.159
the cabin leaders or one of the kids. But when

1452
01:25:48.159 --> 01:25:50.920
I asked that, all I got was, no.

1453
01:25:52.199 --> 01:25:54.279
Have you done any research to see if there have

1454
01:25:54.279 --> 01:25:57.560
been other sightings or reports at the same camp or

1455
01:25:57.560 --> 01:25:59.520
in the same area.

1456
01:26:00.359 --> 01:26:06.520
No, not lately, gotcha?

1457
01:26:06.600 --> 01:26:09.600
And you know the two the two sightings that you had,

1458
01:26:10.880 --> 01:26:14.960
would you say what you saw that day looked more

1459
01:26:15.159 --> 01:26:17.520
like something that was like an ape like creature or

1460
01:26:17.560 --> 01:26:18.960
something that was more human, like.

1461
01:26:21.960 --> 01:26:23.479
I say it with more.

1462
01:26:24.960 --> 01:26:33.760
More human like than ape, kind of kind of like a.

1463
01:26:35.479 --> 01:26:39.760
Hybrid of an ape, okay, mixed with the human.

1464
01:26:43.399 --> 01:26:47.119
Interesting? Interesting? And how has this affected you in your

1465
01:26:47.159 --> 01:26:52.199
life since? Since those those two times about twenty years ago?

1466
01:26:54.079 --> 01:26:59.640
It kind of opened my eyes like, Okay, these things

1467
01:26:59.760 --> 01:27:04.000
are real, they do exist. What else is out there?

1468
01:27:04.600 --> 01:27:07.880
And ever since then, I was like, I keep wanting

1469
01:27:07.920 --> 01:27:10.119
to go back up the mountains so I can at

1470
01:27:10.199 --> 01:27:18.000
least try to get a glimpse if I can. But yeah,

1471
01:27:18.720 --> 01:27:21.199
every once in a while it pops up in my mind.

1472
01:27:23.960 --> 01:27:25.079
I'm not frightened of it.

1473
01:27:30.159 --> 01:27:33.399
Have you actually gone out looking yourself out out in

1474
01:27:33.439 --> 01:27:34.319
the woods.

1475
01:27:34.880 --> 01:27:38.680
I guess back in twenty one when I got my license,

1476
01:27:42.640 --> 01:27:51.439
where did you go out looking basically the same camp? Okay,

1477
01:27:51.600 --> 01:27:55.000
I went out to ground zero, so to.

1478
01:27:54.960 --> 01:27:57.439
Speak makes sense.

1479
01:28:01.359 --> 01:28:05.279
Hmm. Well it's sermely interesting, Jose And thank you for

1480
01:28:05.720 --> 01:28:09.680
coming up. You know, my email is big for societygmail

1481
01:28:09.680 --> 01:28:13.159
dot com. If you ever have anything else happen, please

1482
01:28:13.199 --> 01:28:15.960
feel free to reach out. And I have a big

1483
01:28:16.000 --> 01:28:18.279
Foot podcast. Would I be able to use this conversation

1484
01:28:18.399 --> 01:28:18.680
in it?

1485
01:28:19.439 --> 01:28:20.840
Yeah?

1486
01:28:20.920 --> 01:28:23.960
Awesome, Well, thank you so much for that, and again

1487
01:28:24.000 --> 01:28:25.319
I appreciate you coming up, sir.

1488
01:28:26.079 --> 01:28:29.920
Okay, I wish I can tell you more, but that's

1489
01:28:29.960 --> 01:28:30.960
all I got.

1490
01:28:31.840 --> 01:28:33.720
It's a new area for me, so I appreciate you

1491
01:28:33.800 --> 01:28:43.399
reporting it. All right, good stuff, great stuff. Before we

1492
01:28:43.439 --> 01:28:45.920
wrap this episode, I want to say something directly to

1493
01:28:46.000 --> 01:28:49.319
a very specific group of listeners. If you're in the military,

1494
01:28:49.800 --> 01:28:53.119
any branch or forces, and if you've seen something that

1495
01:28:53.159 --> 01:28:56.000
no one can explain, or if you're a National park

1496
01:28:56.119 --> 01:28:59.279
ranger or forestry worker who's been told to stay quiet,

1497
01:29:00.079 --> 01:29:03.279
if you're a pilot who's seen something strange down on

1498
01:29:03.319 --> 01:29:06.720
the ground, or if you're with the FBI a federal agency,

1499
01:29:06.920 --> 01:29:10.079
or working intelligence and you stumbled upon something you're not

1500
01:29:10.199 --> 01:29:13.439
allowed to talk about. And if you're a firefighter, paramedic,

1501
01:29:13.560 --> 01:29:16.840
or search and rescue responder who's heard screams or found

1502
01:29:16.880 --> 01:29:19.880
tracks that didn't make sense. If you're in the logging

1503
01:29:19.920 --> 01:29:23.720
industry on a remote oil field, or a trucker with

1504
01:29:23.840 --> 01:29:27.680
government contracts and you've had something happen that you've never

1505
01:29:27.760 --> 01:29:31.640
told a soul. And if you're a biologist, a wildlife specialist,

1506
01:29:31.800 --> 01:29:35.199
or a field researcher under contract who has found evidence

1507
01:29:35.319 --> 01:29:38.960
you're not allowed to report. If you're a pastor, a missionary,

1508
01:29:39.079 --> 01:29:42.239
or someone on a spiritual retreat and you saw something

1509
01:29:42.279 --> 01:29:44.720
that shook your faith, or if you work in the

1510
01:29:44.760 --> 01:29:49.279
shadows CIA, NSA or anything with clearance and you've seen

1511
01:29:49.439 --> 01:29:53.079
what the public hasn't, then I want to talk to you,

1512
01:29:54.119 --> 01:29:58.960
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1514
01:30:02.760 --> 01:30:07.520
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1515
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1516
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