April 13, 2026

Wildlife Conservationist from India shares his Bigfoot Encounter | Archives

Wildlife Conservationist from India shares his Bigfoot Encounter | Archives

Originally released as Episode 506 on 8/24/25. In this episode, Jeremiah with Bigfoot Society welcomes Nav, a seasoned wildlife conservationist from India, whose globe-spanning career has brought him face-to-face with extraordinary phenomena. Amidst...

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Season 1

Originally released as Episode 506 on 8/24/25.

In this episode, Jeremiah with Bigfoot Society welcomes Nav, a seasoned wildlife conservationist from India, whose globe-spanning career has brought him face-to-face with extraordinary phenomena. Amidst his conservation efforts, Nav recounts spine-chilling encounters with unknown creatures, including a potential Orang Pendek sighting in Sumatra and a thrilling face-off with a mysterious being in the dense forests of Kananaskis in the Rocky Mountains of Alberta, Canada. Delve into Nav's gripping stories, his belief in undiscovered humanoid apes, and the compelling evidence supporting their existence. His accounts challenge conventional evolutionary theories and call for a unified, open-minded approach to uncover these cryptids before they vanish.

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You're listening to bigflet Society and I'm Jeremiah Byron. In

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this show, we go beyond the campfire stories to bring

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you first hand encounters from people who say they've seen

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just might change the way you see the woods forever.

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So stay with us.

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Hey, this is Bryce Johnson from Travel Channels Expedition Bigfoot.

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You're listening to the Bigfoot Society podcast.

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The following interview takes place between myself in Iowa and Nav,

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a wildlife conservationist from India. That being said, there will

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be multiple audio quality issues, but please enjoy the actual

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content of this interview and thank you for listening. All right,

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Big Society, You've got the privilege of talking to Nav today.

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Nov is a wildlife conservationist from India. It's a pleasure

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talking to you today. Now, have you reached out to

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me through email? I think you even sent me some

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voicemails as well. Yeah, thank you, Jerema, absolutely, yes, thank

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you so much. I am really excited to talk to

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you tonight. It's been a while getting this to work.

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It's eight thirty in Iowa and it's seven seven thirty

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or seven eight in India.

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All right, you and Iowa love me. I've never been there,

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so another place I have to visit in the future.

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Absolutely, So nov let's get right into it. I'd like

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to welcome you to share what you've experienced over the

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years as a wildcure conservationist.

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Yeah, I mean it's a long story. I've always had

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a passion for our life. From the late teens, I

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was involved in working for various wildlife organizations, some very

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high profile like Environmental Investigation Agency, which investigates the illegal

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trade in sights and dangered species. So Debbie Banks, who

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was one of the head campaigns there I know very

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very well. Worked for FAMA Florida International, which has Dondon

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Zoological Society, so I knew very well the CEO John Burton,

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David Attenberg, you might know from BBC TV series So

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rang It International, Rangetwan Foundation, Ashley Leeman, so a lot

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of the top most high profile conservationists working on dangered

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species protection and preservation all over the world. As I was.

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Also I'm also a lawyer, so while I'm retired now,

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but I was a lawyer, So I used that to

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some extent to feel that sort of passion and help

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with those sort of whatever sort of campaigns I was doing.

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So I traveled all over the world. I've been to Indonesia,

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Southeast Asia, Malaysia, South America, India obviously where I'm staying

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living now. I'm with Indian origin Africa. So in my

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pursuit of this passion of mind, yeah, for over us,

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so you could say for thirty years.

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Over thirty years, that's absolutely fascinating. The information that you

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have is probably more than I could ever even imagine

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of just being able to go to the different countries

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of the world. It's so fascinating. But it sounds like

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in your travels you've had some sightings of some really

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interesting things that are not normal.

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Yeah. Absolutely, And that's what I couldn't come to terms

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with because I was always brought up believing in Darwin

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sort of the revolution natural selection. You know that everything

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was backed up by paleontology and archaeology and anthropology and

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certain species most really amazing. Jeremiah, I had this sort

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of I knew a couple of people when I was working,

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and one of them was I forget her name. She

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worked for Fauna Flora International. I can't remember her name.

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My apologies. This is many years ago. And she had

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a very strange experience and she related it to me

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and I said, well, what was the experience that you had,

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and she said, well, when I was in Indonesia, I

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actually saw a creature that was not a human. It

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was not an ape or monkey, it was something in between.

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But it was definitely something that would be an unidentified,

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unknown species. So I never thought about it. But bizarrely

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going to that same place myself and it's called Karinci said, Lad.

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By the way, it's a national park in Sumatra, one

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of the largest, and it's supposed to be the place

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where this creature called orang pendick occurs. So when you

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talk when I went there and talking of this must

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have been almost thirty years ago, just under thirty years ago. Sorry.

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I stayed in the park. I went trekking, not for

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looking for these creatures, by the way, I was looking

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for simang, which is a gibbon specie, just to see

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how the park was. There were a lot of issues

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at that time about you know, poaching, deforestation, and I

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wanted to see this one myself. So with a guy

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called mister Solok, who was a guide, we were trekking

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through some forest, dense forest, but there was an open

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patch of grassland in front of both of us. Something

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ran very fast and two legs two feet. So he

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looked to me and I looked at him and I said, well,

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do you know what could run that fast and two feet.

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It can't be in a It can't be a bear.

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I mean, some bear is an animal that occurs, a

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small bear species, but it can't run for that distance.

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And we saw it. We didn't see it clearly, but

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we saw like a head and something disappeared very very fast.

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So I just brushed it off. To tell you the truth,

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I know this lady had spoken to it, seen it,

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but yeah, I mean there's a lot of evidence of

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this orang pandict that locals know, that the villagers know it,

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and they definitely say it's not an irangutwent, it's not

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a gibbon, it's something like it's like humanoid features, but

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it's something in between soaps. So why I'm saying this, jeremi,

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It's like, because I've been to so many places. How

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is it that in so many of the places of

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the world that I've been people who are well informed,

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people who are not who are credible, who have actually said, no,

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there is something here. And you know, I've had so

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many other experiences, not like the one I had in Karanascas,

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by the way, that is undoubtedly the most bizarre, but

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I'll come to that later. We will come to that.

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The other one was in India and everyone knows about

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the Yetti And there's one place in northeast India. It's

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a state actually, it's a state called Megalia. It's a

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small state. Most of it's forested, most of it's very inaccessible,

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and it has a very very small population. And there's

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a place called Nocrek National Park. It's like a park,

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it's protected bro I had gone there with a guy

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called Philip Parian who was the two one of a

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tourism officers and actually I've actually been given his details

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by another charity that I that I used to work

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alongside with, which was Wildlife Trust of India, which by

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the way, is supported you might know of it by

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for International Fund Funomal Welfare. And the reason why he

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visited this place is because again it was very rich

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in biodiversity. It was very important, very crucial for protecting.

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So when we were there for about a day, we

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went to one part of the forest. We were going

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to go trekking, but one of the forest officers said,

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I'm sorry, it's closed. So Philip and I sked, well,

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why has it closed, what's happened? And why are the

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villagers being relocated. There were some villages that were situated

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inside that particular part of the park, but they were

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relocated out and you could see the people outside and

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they were sort of like with their belongings or not belongings,

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but in like you know, little groups, and they look

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quite sort of disoriented. So I asked Philip, I said, well,

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you know what's happened, and so he spoke in their language.

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These were garrowed people, like tribal people. So they said

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they saw an animal and that was not a bear.

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So again in this area you get maybe Himalian black

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bears and bears. They said it was much taller. They

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said it looked identical to a human almost almost, but

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was covered in hair. So what could it possibly be?

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I mean, I thought, are these people exaggerating? Are they

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are they sort of like believing in some mythical creature,

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you know, because you know, when you believe in something

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that is mythical, sometimes it almost it almost becomes graphically,

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it becomes so inconstant and subconsciously you begin to see

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something which you believe although it doesn't actually exist. And

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I discussed this with Philip, I discussed with others. So interestingly,

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here they call it Monday Puham. So they have names

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for these creatures, and their names are different from what

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they have for bears or any other animals. And they say, no,

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it exists, and that's why. But it's rare. But when

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we see it, yes, we get frightened because we don't

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know about how will it interact with us. So that's

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just to give you sort of a background of you know,

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those experiences and other people. I've come across many instances,

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by the way, not if I'm myself personally seeing things

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or speaking to people who said, oh no, no, this

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this definitely exists. It's not a question of even if

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it does exist. But we don't have the resources. We

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don't have the team work or the staff to go

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out into these very deep, inaccessible forested areas to be

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able to locate these creatures. So that's just the kind

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of background you know, in the past of my sort

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of experiences of these type of entities or whatever creatures.

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That's I mean, that is fascinating. Has there been expeditions

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to try to look further into that creature? Is it

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really that remote where it hasn't really been look into before?

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Yeah, I mean basically northeast India, the extreme northeast. It's

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a very very densely forested area. It's intractable, it's inaccessible,

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massively deep, gorgeous. Just to give you some idea, if

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you try to walk into that forest, sometimes you can't

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see beyond one foot it's that dense. So you know,

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you need people with proper equipment to be able to

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go there, proper supplies and see, in India, we don't

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have those resources. We don't have well, to be honest

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to you, nowhere in the world, right, I mean, you

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can't take any mechanized vehicles there. You can't take horses

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or ponies because you know that the kind of topography

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is such that you're walking in very rugged terrain. And myself,

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being a trekker and I've done it trekking for a

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long time, I know these how difficult it can be

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to even walk one or two kilometers right because of

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the type of terrain. So yeah, it's they don't have

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the backing, they don't have the because you know, India

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has so many other problems. We have so many issues

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dealing with environment, with population, with whatever we do have

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that we're protecting by wildlife, so it's difficult to give

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attention to this. But if you look at the kind

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of topography, you can see that it's kind of thing

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that would support and could support these animals because there's

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a lot of vegetation, there's a lot of food sources,

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a lot of shade, a lot of water. And you know,

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people will turn around and say, oh, but hang on,

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wait a minute, how can this support an animal that's

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so tall? And you know, and I said, well, I've

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been to jungles in India that are only maybe fifty

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to one hundred square kilometers but on which you get

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elephant herds, and I've never seen the elephants because the

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jungle is so dense that you know, and the elephants

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don't come out. They don't need to come out. They've

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got enough food. So that you know, there assumption that, oh,

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because an animal is of particular size, you should see

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it easily is absolute nonsense. And that's one thing I

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want to dismiss because I hear all the time, Oh,

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but you know if this animal is so huge eight

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feet nine feet, then you'd see it. Well, I said, well, look,

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I've been through jungles in the world. I've been in

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jungles where their elephants they're banting their gold. They're tigers.

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You don't see them, you don't even hear, and they're there,

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and these are small jungles. So on that basis, this

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is entirely viable. So yeah, a lot more work needs

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to be done, Jeremy, A lot more work needs to

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be done to increase increase awareness of this creature. And

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can I just say one thing. People forget that there's

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a lot of fossil evidence of these creatures in India

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because in the Shevalics, so basically when the Himalias were formed,

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when that's part of India that the triangle is shape

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if you like, of the Indian India broke off from

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Africa Gondo Ana land and it smashed into the Asian

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It formed the Himalia sixty million years ago and from

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that point onwards you had a lot of at evolution

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of species and things. And in the Himalias there are

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foothills called the shiev Arlics. In the Chevarlics they found

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fossils of the very first ape men or if you like,

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apes called ramapitheesnes. And how interesting from that we get

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gigat Epithecus, the fossils or which were found in northeast

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India and China. So why is it not feasible that

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there should be some line that survived and which is

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manifested by these species today if just within the yeti

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and a lot of people say, oh, the yeti is

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just a Tibetan blue bears and unidentified because they found

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a scalp in some Tibetan monastery in Nepal which was

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instantly that was of a bear, they believed it was

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a yeti, so they dismissed it. But it's absolute garbage

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because Indian troops, Indian soldiers, Indian officers who've been in

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the Himalias at twenty thousand feet, because you know they're

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patrolling that area against invasions. They've seen this animal. They've

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seen an animal that's not a bear. They said, no,

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it's not a bear. And which bear can walk erect

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for a period for a distance of sorry, a distance

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of one or two kilometers. No bear can do that.

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The bear might get up on its hind legs and

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so on, but how can they walk for one, two, three,

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four kilometers? But these tracks have been seen in the

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amlias and the stride between the tracks and there's nothing

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around it. So it's not like someone has gone around

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and faked it, because if they did, you see the

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signs of their footsteps or things around those tracks, and

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there's nothing of the kind. And then the pressure on

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the ice. When they've looked at the pressure on the ice,

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it has to be around five hundred to eight hundred pounds.

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Because the rice is so compact and strong, you need

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to have so much body weight to press to leave

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that type of an imprint. So that's really the issue.

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It just isn't the resources. I think there isn't really

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the interest because there's so many other issues, and that's

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why I.

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Think it's absolutely fascinating. You are a wildlife consernationist. Is

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part of what you're trying to do prove these humanoid

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ape type creatures that haven't been discovered yet or what

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is your relation to that?

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Yeah, good point, Jerema. The fact is I have an

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open mind for everything. I do believe they exist, and

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that's part of the reason why I really want to

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go and try to find out more evidences information. I

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know a guy very well. He's a very close friend

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of mine, Dr David Shivers. He's a retired professor of

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veterinary anatomy from Cambridge University. He's been on the TV,

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he's been on radio. He's very very well known in

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the circles. He's one of the top primatologists in the world.

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He believes fervently in the existence of this creature. Why

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would he compromise his reputation Although I know he's retired,

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but even when he was not retired, he would do

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nothing to compromise his academic reputation, his credentials by believing

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in something if it were bogus. And when I've spoken

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to him at length and I've learn him for almost

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thirty years, Doctor David Ervill, I'll still keep up with him,

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and he said no. He said, there is a lot

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of fake stuff out there, like the videos, but there's

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a lot that is very convincing. And I said, I

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agree with you. And I talked to him about a

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guy you might know, Jeremiah think Ka Tunka, who does

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a wonderful YouTube channel. Of course, I think Katunka if

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you look at his analysis, being in special effects, being

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in it and knowing you know when something has been

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photoshopped or when something has been adulterated. But what I

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loved about think Ka Tunka there were a couple of

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videos and one of them was the stone Thrower. I

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can't remember where it was that was Ohio you time, sorry,

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but they showed a creature and when think Ka Tunka

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does analysis, I e. He looks at the length of

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the arm of the creature. He said, Okay, even if

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it's a man in a fake suit, he'd have to

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have an arm length that equates to that of an

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ape because apes have longer arms. Right, they have shorter

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torsos than we do. But sorry, they have short, longer torsos,

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but shorter legs and longer arms. And it fit all

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the dimensions. But what really got me was when he

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showed this creature sitting down the meta tarsal bone and

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the foot, so we know, basically we can't bend the

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arch of our foot sole of our foot in half,

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sorry if that makes sense. So the only the ape

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and ape when it can do that, it can bend

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its foot downwards, so it's like in half, so bend

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allments its soul or it's arch in half. And when

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I saw that actually on the video and he's zooming in,

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I thought that is just bizarre because no human being,

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monkey suit, no monkey suit could do that, let alone

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have those dimensions as physical proportions that I described earlier.

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And then that was one video. The other one was

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and this is what got me interested. That's why I

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contacted you, because I had dismissed what I had seen

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as you as I just bon my first contact with you.

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But when I saw that video of the contractors in

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Kananaskis a couple of years ago that I saw this

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huge creature chucker twenty foot tree some forty to fifty

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feet distance and you could see the bowl of the

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little earth at the end where the roots were, and

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you could see it was a tree. That convinced me

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because the analysis that thinka Tunka did was just First,

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you can see the shadow of this creature, which is

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at least eight to nine feet, and the way it

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picks this thing up and throws it, and the way

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he does the analysis, and he gives the weight of

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the tree, he gives the height of the tree. He says,

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it doesn't matter. Even if you are the strongest pole

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vault in the world, you wouldn't be able to throw

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that object even a few feet, let alone pick it

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up and throw it in the air. So when I

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take all this evidence, and there's much more, by the way,

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I'm sorry, I'm just giving you ones that come immediately

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to my mind, then I think, yes, of course this

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creature exists, and we're not talking about it because there

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are a number of reasons, and the reasons I believe Jeremi.

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It challenges traditional evolutionary theory because we're taught to believe

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that you know, I don't know what you think, but

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we're taught to believe that humans we evolved and all

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our other competitors died out and there's just the apes

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and the humans. And it suits these orthodox people who

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believe in that. Right. Secondly, it challenges all mainstream religions

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because even if you look at a lot of Orthodox religions,

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they don't want to believe. There's see, we believe in

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Adam and Eve, the Ibrahamic religions, Judaism, Christianity, Islam, they

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believe in Adam and Eve that man was formed in

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God's form. So when we start talking about these ape

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like creatures to some extent, it challenges a lot of

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the religious ideology in among circles. Right. Thirdly, these creatures

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occupy vast sways. For I mean, if you take of Russia,

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the siberianiety, and you might have seen the one on YouTube.

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This family are in the woods and they see this

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huge creature swinging through the trees and it's amazing. It's

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another Amican video. There's no, it's not a hoax. People

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have looked at it. It's not a chimpanzee. It's three

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two three times the size of a chimpanzee. But when

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you look at the Siberia, Siberia is thirteen one to

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three million square kilometers in size. Can you imagine that?

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So in other words, Siberia, if you take the USA's

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nine million square kilometers or Canada similar So it's about

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what one and a half times the size of USA

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or Canada. Just Siberia within Russia, most of which is

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forested millions of square kilometers. Of that, at least several

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million is forested. So will you take all these forested

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areas similarly the United States? Like I was just looking

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the other day, I've just come back from Yellowstone actually

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a month ago. I was in Yellowstone National Park and

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the Tetons and all that. So I passed through that

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area coming from the Waterton side of Canada, Glacier side,

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and I just passed through a fragment of what is

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supposed to be an area that covers eighteen nine thousand

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square kilometers. So that's not just the greater Yellowstone ecosystem,

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which is thirty nine thousand, it's all the other forests

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like custera, Gallatin, Lewis, Clark, Shoshone. All these together come

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to eighty nine. So you know, Jeremiah, we're talking of

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a vast area, right. I mean, the UK is only

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two hundred and twenty thousand square kilometers. This is eighty

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nine thousand. So you're telling me in that vast area,

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huge area, you can't have these animals roaming around what nonsense.

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Of course you can, and especially my experience of being

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all over the world and looking chasing huge animals which

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have been hidden in smaller fragments. But I think the

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other reason is that these a lot of these areas

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are very rich. They're rich in minerals, they're rich in timber.

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A lot of the commercial interests no that in this

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creature exists. These areas could be declared as national parks

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or protected areas, so it means there are off limits

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to commercial ventures. So it suits a lot of the

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big corporates not to have this species verified as existing,

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because what it does. It then means that well, these

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areas that were right for exploitation commercially industrially for mineral

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resources now becomes more difficult. The other reason I believe

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that I'm saying this because I think people inside the

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government do not exists. But these are reasons possibly why

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it's not being disclosed. The other reason is I think

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that if this creature was verified by means that it

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can be verified by, it would probably lead to trophy hunters, hunting, poaching,

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because you can imagine, right, there's a new animal in existence.

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We know it's been identified. Oh wow, why don't we

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kill one, catch one? Why don't we try to find

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where it is a lot of people going into this

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forested areas uncontrolled? So I think there's a lot of

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and yes, it could be that, you know, there are

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other reasons too, but I think there are a lot

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of factors why why institutions, establishments don't want us don't

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want us to know that this exists. I'm not a

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conspiracy theory believer, but I feel that there's a lot

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of reasons why it shouldn't be known to exist.

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Absolutely. While we're around this topic, Yeah, you know how,

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I'm sure you keep to day with the news that

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maybe in the US, but over the last few years

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there's been a well really a disclosure of the UFO

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or UAP phenomenon. Yes, do you think they're working absolutely

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towards that on the big Foot side of things?

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Very good point, Jeremiah. I don't really know, because the

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UFO doesn't impact us on a day to day basis.

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Why I think the information on the truth of the

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Bigfoot is a little bit more compromised is because I think,

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as I said before, it occupies the land that we share,

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we human share with the environment very rich and there

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are two reasons. If it gets protected, it means it's

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a no go area for the big corporates, commercial companies,

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mining companies. It challenges a lot of whatsot A's UFO

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about orthodoxy, about religion and everything, because that also does

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I agree with you, So I think that with the

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big Foot, it's probably. And the other thing is that

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you see UFOs. We can see them in the sky, right,

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anyone you know that they're in the sky. They're more visible.

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It's in the open. But something that's deep in the

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forests of the earth and the bowels of the earth,

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that's more difficult to to to be able to say, well,

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here we go, here's the evidence. And you know, the

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other thing people have said is, oh, but there's no body,

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there's no corpse. There's there's there's no what's what about aliens?

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Have they produced an alien corpse? I mean, I know

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they've got these little mummies from from from Prue, right

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that's come in the news and they said, oh, we

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believe that this is definitely because it's not human DNA.

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But look at this, I mean, doesn't mean because you

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don't have a is it called body untilling as a lawyer,

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as myself that the evidence does exist. No nonsense. I

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give you a perfect scenario. What about murder cases where

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people have been murdered, they haven't found the body, but

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the person who's accused of murder room is still being

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convicted on the other evidence. So you've got to look

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at all the other evidence. You've got to look at

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all other evidence. Is it still a provable beyond a

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reasonable doubt that Bigfoot exists? Or is it just circumstantial?

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Like I said, No, it's not circumstantial. The other evidence

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00:25:26.599 --> 00:25:30.880
does show it exists. And when DNA has been taken

453
00:25:30.920 --> 00:25:34.319
by way of Furst samples and they've been submitted to laboratories,

454
00:25:35.079 --> 00:25:38.440
what really annoys me is the laborators come back and say, oh,

455
00:25:38.599 --> 00:25:44.200
it's it's we can't it's it's contaminated. I mean, what garbage,

456
00:25:44.359 --> 00:25:47.680
what absolute garbage. I mean, either you know that it

457
00:25:47.839 --> 00:25:50.480
is a bear or something else or not. I mean,

458
00:25:50.559 --> 00:25:54.200
if it's contaminated, and so many samples have been given,

459
00:25:54.359 --> 00:25:56.880
but why is it laboratories most of them are coming

460
00:25:56.920 --> 00:26:00.880
back and saying, well, we can't really determine what this is,

461
00:26:00.920 --> 00:26:03.920
but you can determine other for samples, if I bring

462
00:26:04.039 --> 00:26:07.559
cat samples in or tiger samples or bears, how many

463
00:26:07.559 --> 00:26:10.240
times have they said, oh, this is contaminated. And or

464
00:26:10.240 --> 00:26:11.920
when you and I give our DNA, do they say, oh,

465
00:26:11.920 --> 00:26:14.480
it's contaminated or this or that. So I think that

466
00:26:14.960 --> 00:26:17.960
there is a cover up. I don't know really why

467
00:26:18.279 --> 00:26:21.200
there's a cover up, because I think that there are

468
00:26:21.319 --> 00:26:25.519
means of getting around this. Whether they feel this animal

469
00:26:25.559 --> 00:26:29.440
may be very in a very delicate situation by way

470
00:26:29.440 --> 00:26:33.519
of numbers, that if we give too much information out,

471
00:26:33.559 --> 00:26:36.359
we're concerned that it'll lead to people going in and

472
00:26:36.400 --> 00:26:39.440
looking for it. Because it exists here on earth. It's

473
00:26:39.440 --> 00:26:41.400
not like UFOs you know that come from out of space.

474
00:26:42.119 --> 00:26:45.160
You know, it's survival could be compromised. I don't really know, Jeremiah,

475
00:26:45.240 --> 00:26:50.359
but but the evidence is too compelling about its existence,

476
00:26:50.359 --> 00:26:52.000
in my opinion, far too compelling.

477
00:26:52.480 --> 00:26:58.640
It is. It's a fascinating conversation, and but I would

478
00:26:58.680 --> 00:27:03.480
like to let's start looking into Yeah, it sounds like

479
00:27:03.559 --> 00:27:11.279
you've had really interesting I mean interactions. Are you seen

480
00:27:11.400 --> 00:27:16.119
things even more intense than what you saw in Sumatra?

481
00:27:18.039 --> 00:27:20.960
Oh? Yeah, yeah? In Kananaskis was many years ago and

482
00:27:21.000 --> 00:27:23.240
I was with some friends and I and it's very funny.

483
00:27:23.240 --> 00:27:25.720
I passed the spot where I was just there. Recently

484
00:27:25.799 --> 00:27:28.680
I passed the very same spot, which is really as

485
00:27:28.680 --> 00:27:31.880
you go on the Route forty, it's called the Kalanaskis

486
00:27:32.240 --> 00:27:36.200
Trail Route forty, so as you go inside Kananaskis and

487
00:27:36.240 --> 00:27:39.000
you travel on this area for it's many many k

488
00:27:39.240 --> 00:27:42.880
I don't know how many kilometers, maybe fifty sixty kilometers.

489
00:27:43.200 --> 00:27:46.640
So it's on either side dense forests and you can

490
00:27:46.640 --> 00:27:49.880
see the forest. It sort of goes for miles and

491
00:27:49.960 --> 00:27:53.880
miles and it joins the slopes of these rockies and

492
00:27:53.960 --> 00:27:59.240
the foothills in between in little patches. You had little

493
00:27:59.240 --> 00:28:03.240
open patches of where the rivers are, creeks are of

494
00:28:03.359 --> 00:28:08.319
willow breaks. And that's when I saw this creature. And

495
00:28:08.680 --> 00:28:10.920
you know how when you first see something there's your

496
00:28:10.920 --> 00:28:13.839
eyes are trying to focus because your first thing that

497
00:28:13.880 --> 00:28:17.240
goes to your brain is you can't your eyes are

498
00:28:17.279 --> 00:28:22.000
not really being able to assimilate what you're seeing because

499
00:28:22.240 --> 00:28:25.119
your brain is not interpreting according to what the brain

500
00:28:25.240 --> 00:28:28.279
already processes. There's no information, if you know what I mean.

501
00:28:29.480 --> 00:28:33.680
And seeing this creature, which we did and I said

502
00:28:33.680 --> 00:28:35.319
it wasn't for a very long time, but it was

503
00:28:35.319 --> 00:28:38.160
for sufficiently long time to see that it definitely wasn't

504
00:28:38.160 --> 00:28:40.160
a human, It definitely wasn't a beat, And what else

505
00:28:40.200 --> 00:28:46.359
could be that height, that stature, that color unless it

506
00:28:46.440 --> 00:28:50.799
was an identified species. And we were all globsmacked. And

507
00:28:51.119 --> 00:28:54.119
the fact is that, you know, we couldn't interpret what

508
00:28:54.200 --> 00:29:01.680
it was. And in Canonascus is a information center which

509
00:29:01.680 --> 00:29:06.000
you can visit and you can speak to the staff

510
00:29:06.160 --> 00:29:09.440
or whatever. But the fact is a lot of the

511
00:29:09.440 --> 00:29:12.200
people there they don't want to believe or and then

512
00:29:12.440 --> 00:29:14.039
where would you have the evidence to be able to

513
00:29:14.039 --> 00:29:15.720
go and say, well, you know, I've seen something. It

514
00:29:15.759 --> 00:29:18.599
was definitely this, and here's a photo, because everything is

515
00:29:18.640 --> 00:29:23.319
dependent on having photographic evidence. And at that time, you know,

516
00:29:23.400 --> 00:29:27.839
we weren't carrying cameras around, of phone cameras, and such

517
00:29:27.880 --> 00:29:30.640
as the experience that you don't have the time to

518
00:29:30.720 --> 00:29:32.880
be able to record it, right, it's not just something here,

519
00:29:32.880 --> 00:29:34.920
it is you can I see animals. I do wildlife

520
00:29:34.920 --> 00:29:38.599
photography as well, and I see animals and sometimes I

521
00:29:38.680 --> 00:29:40.759
looking at them for so many seconds, but I still

522
00:29:40.759 --> 00:29:43.720
don't have the time to focus and take a picture, right,

523
00:29:43.759 --> 00:29:47.000
and record it because of the light or because of

524
00:29:47.039 --> 00:29:49.599
the movement and everything else. And what I saw was

525
00:29:51.000 --> 00:29:54.720
definitely what a lot of people report as having seen

526
00:29:55.039 --> 00:29:59.799
it sort of fit that criteria and very dark blackish

527
00:30:00.240 --> 00:30:04.119
in color, very heavy set, very tall. I couldn't see

528
00:30:04.119 --> 00:30:08.200
the features clearly, but the head was like, definitely, it

529
00:30:08.240 --> 00:30:10.160
wasn't like a gorilla when people say like a silver

530
00:30:10.160 --> 00:30:13.119
back gorilla, then there's no comparison to that, but thick set,

531
00:30:13.400 --> 00:30:15.720
like you know, probably a big head, but not like

532
00:30:15.720 --> 00:30:18.599
a gorilla silver back head with a big sagital cress now,

533
00:30:19.279 --> 00:30:23.160
but broad shoulders and the arm length and everything. And

534
00:30:23.440 --> 00:30:25.839
it definitely was not a bare one hundred percent. And

535
00:30:25.880 --> 00:30:28.680
if it were a man again, it would have to

536
00:30:28.720 --> 00:30:32.359
be See the height is that's a thing. It's very

537
00:30:32.400 --> 00:30:34.720
difficult to determine a height at that distance from the

538
00:30:34.799 --> 00:30:38.279
road when you see something inside this inset. But the

539
00:30:38.359 --> 00:30:40.799
distance was such you could still determine that this thing

540
00:30:40.880 --> 00:30:42.720
was at least at least seven to seven and a

541
00:30:42.759 --> 00:30:45.119
half feet. But it wasn't just the height, it was

542
00:30:45.200 --> 00:30:48.720
the body measurements. It was like the size of the shoulders,

543
00:30:48.759 --> 00:30:53.880
the chest, the legs, the length of the arms, no

544
00:30:54.079 --> 00:30:58.319
human and it would have to be I mean, it

545
00:30:58.359 --> 00:31:00.920
would have to be some type of suit. Yeah, that

546
00:31:00.960 --> 00:31:03.920
would be designed by I don't know what, because the

547
00:31:04.359 --> 00:31:07.200
way that you could see the fur and everything move

548
00:31:07.240 --> 00:31:10.119
on that body, no suit, no fake suit or made

549
00:31:10.160 --> 00:31:10.759
suit could do that.

550
00:31:12.720 --> 00:31:17.119
So just to make sure I have the scene set.

551
00:31:17.359 --> 00:31:19.839
When you're looking at the creature, are you seeing it

552
00:31:20.160 --> 00:31:22.839
dead on or are you seeing a side view and

553
00:31:22.880 --> 00:31:25.079
it's it's moving across.

554
00:31:28.680 --> 00:31:32.160
At the time it was, it was brief, so I

555
00:31:32.160 --> 00:31:34.279
didn't see it front on. I didn't see it front

556
00:31:34.319 --> 00:31:37.440
on as far as I can recall, I saw it,

557
00:31:37.880 --> 00:31:40.519
but I saw it side on and I saw it move. Yeah,

558
00:31:41.119 --> 00:31:43.279
so I didn't see its face. Okay, yeah, I didn't

559
00:31:43.279 --> 00:31:46.640
see its face clearly, but I can all I can

560
00:31:46.680 --> 00:31:49.319
remember seeing it side side on and at the back

561
00:31:49.400 --> 00:31:53.359
of the backside of it.

562
00:31:53.359 --> 00:31:56.960
It sounds like you had the ability to see muscles

563
00:31:57.000 --> 00:31:58.240
moving under the fur.

564
00:32:02.839 --> 00:32:05.640
If I don't muscle, see a kind of a mass, yeah,

565
00:32:05.759 --> 00:32:09.519
a mass that was significant. Yeah. The third deathly wasn't

566
00:32:09.519 --> 00:32:09.920
a suit.

567
00:32:11.839 --> 00:32:15.440
How far away would you would you guess?

568
00:32:15.519 --> 00:32:17.200
Again, it is hard. I know. I put on my

569
00:32:17.279 --> 00:32:23.799
thing because now because it wouldn't it will one hundred

570
00:32:23.839 --> 00:32:30.039
feet maybe eighty two hundred feet, yeah, because we were

571
00:32:30.079 --> 00:32:32.839
on the highway, and when you go to Kanaanaskis, these

572
00:32:32.880 --> 00:32:35.960
clearings when you get out on the road, some of

573
00:32:35.960 --> 00:32:41.039
the clearings are very like they're very close to the road.

574
00:32:41.079 --> 00:32:43.680
So the areas where you're looking at the wildlife sometimes

575
00:32:44.000 --> 00:32:46.160
like I've just seen. I just came back. I think

576
00:32:46.200 --> 00:32:47.799
I was telling you. I was in Canaonaska, Canada and

577
00:32:47.839 --> 00:32:51.160
America just this last month. So I saw grizzly bear

578
00:32:51.200 --> 00:32:56.119
there fifteen twenty feet away. Wow. So but this was

579
00:32:56.240 --> 00:32:58.400
much but this was so I compare to that, this

580
00:32:58.559 --> 00:33:03.400
was further. This is further than my This is much

581
00:33:03.440 --> 00:33:05.160
further than that. This wouldn't and this wouldn't have been

582
00:33:05.160 --> 00:33:09.799
forty do more. I'd say about eighty one hundred feet. Yeah,

583
00:33:09.920 --> 00:33:12.559
just as it came it moved. It moved. And that's

584
00:33:12.559 --> 00:33:17.160
another thing, the way that it moved the stride and

585
00:33:18.319 --> 00:33:21.680
what was really odd when it was moving it it

586
00:33:21.720 --> 00:33:27.759
didn't like walk upright completely erect with its legs completely straight.

587
00:33:27.799 --> 00:33:30.440
There was like a slight bend in the legs, if

588
00:33:30.480 --> 00:33:32.599
you know what I mean. So in other words, like

589
00:33:32.960 --> 00:33:36.119
as though when it was walking its knees were not locking,

590
00:33:36.240 --> 00:33:39.160
were not locked so like it's the upper thighs were

591
00:33:39.200 --> 00:33:44.119
at a slight angle to the shins, which I find

592
00:33:44.160 --> 00:33:47.240
really odd because any human doing that would be very peculiar.

593
00:33:48.119 --> 00:33:51.680
What kind of posture did it have for the upper

594
00:33:51.680 --> 00:33:54.680
part of its body if you noticed.

595
00:33:55.960 --> 00:33:59.640
Well, let's put it this way. The back now I'm

596
00:33:59.640 --> 00:34:02.480
going by remember many many years. The back was a

597
00:34:02.519 --> 00:34:05.559
slightly bray broad shoulder. But if you look at the back,

598
00:34:05.759 --> 00:34:10.280
slightly curved like when I say curved, like, it looked

599
00:34:10.320 --> 00:34:15.639
more sort of convex, so like a very heavy, very

600
00:34:15.719 --> 00:34:19.119
very heavy I wouldn't say, And it wasn't. Yeah, the

601
00:34:19.239 --> 00:34:22.440
upper posture wasn't like erect like you see a man

602
00:34:22.519 --> 00:34:27.199
standing erect. It wasn't erect. It was slightly I wouldn't

603
00:34:27.199 --> 00:34:31.320
say hunched, but slightly forward, but not like you know

604
00:34:31.360 --> 00:34:33.880
where we stand erect with our shoulders pulled all the

605
00:34:33.880 --> 00:34:35.840
way back. No, not like that, not one bit.

606
00:34:38.760 --> 00:34:41.039
Did you notice did it have a neck at all

607
00:34:41.480 --> 00:34:41.840
to it?

608
00:34:42.119 --> 00:34:46.280
Or No? No? Absolutely no visible neck. No. That's what's

609
00:34:46.280 --> 00:34:50.199
really funny. It was so solid on the on the

610
00:34:50.320 --> 00:34:54.880
on the head and the on the shoulders that I

611
00:34:54.920 --> 00:34:56.920
definitely didn't see that any sign of if it was

612
00:34:56.960 --> 00:34:59.480
a very short neck, but a very muscular neck, but

613
00:34:59.760 --> 00:35:00.719
not like a human neck.

614
00:35:01.119 --> 00:35:03.280
Any visual ears that you remember.

615
00:35:04.840 --> 00:35:07.960
No, they might. I'm sure there must have been, I

616
00:35:08.000 --> 00:35:10.760
kind of, but definitely not not like our ears stick

617
00:35:10.800 --> 00:35:12.519
out or like some of our humans.

618
00:35:12.679 --> 00:35:17.280
No, So thinking of the arms and then thinking of

619
00:35:17.320 --> 00:35:21.320
the hands, Yeah, how far down did the let's say,

620
00:35:21.360 --> 00:35:25.519
like the fingers go on on the to the rest

621
00:35:25.519 --> 00:35:26.039
of the body.

622
00:35:27.519 --> 00:35:29.960
You see, it's again like that one I saw on

623
00:35:30.079 --> 00:35:32.559
Tinka Tunka. That's why it also struck me when I

624
00:35:32.559 --> 00:35:35.920
saw thinka Tunker's video that stone through it. Arms were

625
00:35:35.960 --> 00:35:39.559
extremely long, much longer than any human I've seen. I mean,

626
00:35:39.599 --> 00:35:43.599
if you're talking along, i'd say, I might come be certain,

627
00:35:43.679 --> 00:35:46.679
but i'd say beyond the knee, but I'd say, I'd

628
00:35:46.679 --> 00:35:51.480
say the arms were how do I put it longer,

629
00:35:51.760 --> 00:35:53.800
seemed to be even longer than the legs. What I

630
00:35:53.840 --> 00:35:57.199
found was that, funnily enough, seeing its lower legs didn't

631
00:35:57.239 --> 00:36:01.440
seem to be as huge as the upper part of

632
00:36:01.440 --> 00:36:04.880
the body, the torsa or the arms. So the arms

633
00:36:04.880 --> 00:36:07.280
were very, very long, but very thick. I mean, I

634
00:36:07.280 --> 00:36:09.360
don't know how to describe it, Like like when I

635
00:36:09.400 --> 00:36:12.039
looked at. You know, I've seen bodybuilders and weight trainers,

636
00:36:12.079 --> 00:36:15.280
but did nothing compared to this from what I could,

637
00:36:15.280 --> 00:36:16.599
you know, from what we could see. That's why I

638
00:36:16.639 --> 00:36:19.079
was amazed, because I thought when you first saw, I

639
00:36:19.079 --> 00:36:21.840
thought this is a massive bear. But then we realized

640
00:36:21.920 --> 00:36:22.639
it wasn't a bear.

641
00:36:25.199 --> 00:36:28.480
Was the entire creature covered with hair or fur? Or

642
00:36:28.519 --> 00:36:30.719
did you notice there are parts that were not covered?

643
00:36:32.280 --> 00:36:36.360
See, it was really funny because again of the conditions,

644
00:36:36.440 --> 00:36:41.519
the distance, whatever light there was, it seemed blackish. But

645
00:36:42.800 --> 00:36:46.320
when I say blackish, maybe very dark brown in certain

646
00:36:46.400 --> 00:36:49.119
with certain tints, like in certain wather light might have

647
00:36:49.159 --> 00:36:51.880
been hitting or whatever there was. So if it's like

648
00:36:51.880 --> 00:36:56.039
like a matte, completely matte uniform black like you see

649
00:36:56.039 --> 00:36:58.679
shiny black, not necessarily. I mean there might have been

650
00:36:59.199 --> 00:37:02.599
little tints of slightly very dark brown, but that was

651
00:37:02.760 --> 00:37:05.679
overall color. It was very dark brown to blackish. But

652
00:37:05.760 --> 00:37:08.639
I couldn't see like in between pots of skin, not

653
00:37:08.719 --> 00:37:11.039
that I remember, like you know, like weather, hair is

654
00:37:11.239 --> 00:37:13.440
fluffed up in the skin is visible through no.

655
00:37:16.519 --> 00:37:21.239
So over the years, you've had probably so many times

656
00:37:21.280 --> 00:37:28.400
of looking observing wildlife in its natural habitat watching this

657
00:37:28.519 --> 00:37:31.880
creature remind you of any other creatures that you had seen,

658
00:37:32.599 --> 00:37:36.039
or maybe you're like, wow, this is way different than

659
00:37:36.599 --> 00:37:38.119
other things that I've seen before.

660
00:37:40.360 --> 00:37:45.119
I think this was this was the strangest experience I've had.

661
00:37:45.280 --> 00:37:48.159
I've never come across a cryptid, you know. But some

662
00:37:48.159 --> 00:37:50.519
people say, well, this is a cryptid, right and unknown.

663
00:37:51.039 --> 00:37:53.480
I'm verified species, so this is the first time I've

664
00:37:53.480 --> 00:37:58.639
ever come across a cryptid. But yeah, I mean the

665
00:37:58.679 --> 00:38:03.480
sense that you know, we have a long lost relative,

666
00:38:03.519 --> 00:38:06.280
if you like, or lost link in the chain of

667
00:38:06.880 --> 00:38:10.599
human sort of ape evolution. But then again, you know,

668
00:38:10.599 --> 00:38:14.119
when I spoke to a lot of these anatomists and

669
00:38:14.199 --> 00:38:17.000
biologists that I know in some of the organizations I

670
00:38:17.079 --> 00:38:19.559
worked for, what they said to me is, well, hang on,

671
00:38:19.760 --> 00:38:22.800
when you think of it, there were so many Homo species,

672
00:38:23.239 --> 00:38:26.480
so many Homo acts, Homo habilists, I mean in names,

673
00:38:26.519 --> 00:38:29.880
I can't even recall their vast number. And how is

674
00:38:29.920 --> 00:38:32.880
it that they all became extinct except for Homo sapiens.

675
00:38:33.199 --> 00:38:35.840
And why should they have become extinct? Because there were

676
00:38:35.880 --> 00:38:40.679
many areas of the world that homosapiens didn't infiltrate necessarily.

677
00:38:40.679 --> 00:38:43.840
I mean, we know about Neanderthal and Denis Ovian's okay, fine,

678
00:38:44.239 --> 00:38:46.320
but the earth is still huge. It was huge, then

679
00:38:46.360 --> 00:38:48.679
it's still huge. And it comes back, Jeremiah to what

680
00:38:48.719 --> 00:38:54.000
I was saying earlier. Russia thirteen million square kilometers Siberia

681
00:38:54.079 --> 00:38:57.039
on which there are millions of the area of forest

682
00:38:57.440 --> 00:39:01.079
in Siberia that is untouched, that is unexplos is the

683
00:39:01.159 --> 00:39:04.239
size of India at least at least three million square kilometers.

684
00:39:04.559 --> 00:39:07.400
And you're telling me in that there's the possibility of

685
00:39:07.440 --> 00:39:12.760
there not existing. Something like this arises, I mean, not nonsense.

686
00:39:12.800 --> 00:39:16.559
If you take China, China's nine million square kilometers in size,

687
00:39:16.599 --> 00:39:19.599
it's the same size as Canada or USA. It's got

688
00:39:20.519 --> 00:39:26.000
a million square kilometers of forest protected forest, which is

689
00:39:26.000 --> 00:39:27.880
five times the size of the UK. So when you

690
00:39:27.920 --> 00:39:30.039
look at the figures and you look at the statistics

691
00:39:30.159 --> 00:39:32.599
or how much forest there is in the world, how

692
00:39:32.679 --> 00:39:37.480
much is still unexplored or inaccessible, and how possible it

693
00:39:37.519 --> 00:39:40.840
is to support species like even Bigfoot, even the seven

694
00:39:40.840 --> 00:39:43.440
to eight feet three hundred, five hundred eight hundred pounds,

695
00:39:43.639 --> 00:39:46.480
it's very viable. And why is it, why is it

696
00:39:46.519 --> 00:39:49.360
that this is where the sightings are occurring. Take the

697
00:39:49.440 --> 00:39:56.280
Yowi in Australia. In northern Australia again, vast forests Queensland, Oh.

698
00:39:56.360 --> 00:39:59.000
In a lot of areas haven't been explored, northern territories.

699
00:40:00.320 --> 00:40:02.440
There's hardly any population there. I think, what the total

700
00:40:02.440 --> 00:40:06.440
area of Australia, which is seven million square kilometers, which

701
00:40:06.519 --> 00:40:10.119
is twice the size of India total populations what thirty million,

702
00:40:10.199 --> 00:40:15.119
it's all concentrated around the coastal areas. So taking that

703
00:40:15.199 --> 00:40:19.079
into account, when people say, well there's a yaowi, it's

704
00:40:19.400 --> 00:40:24.360
entirely viable, entirely viable. And rather than have the world

705
00:40:24.400 --> 00:40:28.239
have an open mind, because I think what it is

706
00:40:28.239 --> 00:40:32.239
is everyone's more focused on spending money on let's protecting

707
00:40:32.519 --> 00:40:36.639
Let's protect elephants, let's protect tigers. Let's protect these animals

708
00:40:36.679 --> 00:40:40.000
because we know they exist and we can. We've got

709
00:40:40.280 --> 00:40:44.280
resources definitely allocated to protecting these species. So let's make

710
00:40:44.320 --> 00:40:47.360
that a priority. But I think there needs to be

711
00:40:47.519 --> 00:40:52.199
some organization that creates a fund for the protection and

712
00:40:52.239 --> 00:40:56.039
preservation of this this animal too, because before it disappears,

713
00:40:56.079 --> 00:40:57.960
and it can disappear through a whole. And how is

714
00:40:57.960 --> 00:40:59.920
it now that with these forest fires that we have

715
00:41:00.199 --> 00:41:04.239
in North America, with more sort of lumber mining going

716
00:41:04.239 --> 00:41:07.599
on and expansion of cities and things that people are

717
00:41:07.599 --> 00:41:11.280
having more sightings. That's not a coincidence. It's a very

718
00:41:11.320 --> 00:41:14.719
fact that as we're going more and more into their territory,

719
00:41:14.760 --> 00:41:18.639
they can't stay elusive in every single spot all the time.

720
00:41:19.760 --> 00:41:23.400
So yeah, definitely, I'm convinced it exists. I wasn't convinced

721
00:41:24.320 --> 00:41:28.559
maybe twenty twenty five years ago. Whatever, I'm one hundred

722
00:41:28.559 --> 00:41:32.599
percent convinced now, and I'll take my whole reputation on

723
00:41:32.679 --> 00:41:35.519
it and working with as I still do in wildlife

724
00:41:35.599 --> 00:41:38.199
circles here and elsewhere. And you know, I know some

725
00:41:38.239 --> 00:41:40.000
of the top people and wild I known me like

726
00:41:40.199 --> 00:41:43.840
w Banks, David Atinburgh, John Burden has now passed away

727
00:41:44.400 --> 00:41:49.039
CEO of London'slogical Society, very prestigious position, right and doctor

728
00:41:49.119 --> 00:41:52.159
David Shivers from Cambridge University in England, one of the

729
00:41:52.199 --> 00:41:56.920
top primatologists in the world. Why would they also share

730
00:41:57.079 --> 00:42:02.400
the same views as I do. So yeah, and that's

731
00:42:02.679 --> 00:42:05.239
my take on the whole thing. Jeremiah. It does trouble me.

732
00:42:05.280 --> 00:42:08.320
It troubles me because I think that you know, when

733
00:42:08.320 --> 00:42:11.280
you've had an experience, you know, not think you know

734
00:42:11.400 --> 00:42:14.000
that this thing exists, and as a lawyer doing all

735
00:42:14.039 --> 00:42:17.920
the you know, putting all the evidence together, and it

736
00:42:17.960 --> 00:42:20.760
frustrates me that not more people are taking it seriously.

737
00:42:22.159 --> 00:42:25.880
I agree with you that there and so the thing

738
00:42:26.079 --> 00:42:28.199
people in the community. I think we look at it

739
00:42:28.239 --> 00:42:33.599
as okay. Once it's discovered, that's when the conservation happens.

740
00:42:33.679 --> 00:42:35.159
Do you agree with that or do you think it

741
00:42:35.199 --> 00:42:37.760
needs to start before it's it's discovered.

742
00:42:39.800 --> 00:42:42.920
I think it needs to start before it's discovered. And

743
00:42:43.199 --> 00:42:46.920
I'll give you one example. If you take the Java

744
00:42:46.920 --> 00:42:49.639
and tiger. It was declared extinct about thirty years ago,

745
00:42:50.599 --> 00:42:53.559
but there have been sightings of this animal in the

746
00:42:53.719 --> 00:42:56.639
recent especially in the last five ten years. Again because

747
00:42:56.639 --> 00:43:00.239
you know, Java, this island and in Indonesia is one

748
00:43:00.280 --> 00:43:02.880
of the most densely populated for its size, and there's

749
00:43:02.920 --> 00:43:05.639
been more and more mining, more and more deforestation, and

750
00:43:05.679 --> 00:43:09.199
so I think that's also resulted in more sightings of

751
00:43:09.239 --> 00:43:10.920
an animal which was thought to be extinct, that was

752
00:43:11.000 --> 00:43:15.000
hiding out its long plaves. So again there's no photographic evidence,

753
00:43:15.039 --> 00:43:17.960
it's just on the basis of what's very reliable, credible

754
00:43:18.320 --> 00:43:21.280
testimonial evidence. But at the moment they're doing everything to

755
00:43:21.400 --> 00:43:23.639
create a fund to protect it because they believe it

756
00:43:23.639 --> 00:43:26.719
does exist, and before it disappears, it has to be protected.

757
00:43:26.760 --> 00:43:29.320
And that's the point. Before something disappears, you have to

758
00:43:29.320 --> 00:43:32.000
do something. You can't wait till it's on the point

759
00:43:32.000 --> 00:43:34.679
of disappearing to then think, well, okay, we'll do something

760
00:43:34.719 --> 00:43:36.440
because now we believe it might exist.

761
00:43:39.119 --> 00:43:42.599
I feel like in the US a scientific community does

762
00:43:42.639 --> 00:43:46.280
not take the topic of sasquatch seriously at all. At

763
00:43:46.360 --> 00:43:52.320
least that's I feel what the community, the bigfoot community feels.

764
00:43:52.320 --> 00:43:56.039
In order for let's say the wildlife the World Wildlife

765
00:43:56.039 --> 00:44:01.800
community or the conservation effort, what would it take for

766
00:44:03.360 --> 00:44:07.800
them to really take it as serious? Would it take

767
00:44:07.840 --> 00:44:13.360
a type specimen captured or killed or DNA evidence or

768
00:44:13.360 --> 00:44:14.679
do you have any thoughts about that?

769
00:44:16.440 --> 00:44:18.519
Yeah, that's a good point, Jeremiah. That's what they say.

770
00:44:18.639 --> 00:44:20.360
I mean, I've heard them say, oh, we need a body,

771
00:44:20.440 --> 00:44:22.320
we need a corpse, we need a car before we

772
00:44:22.400 --> 00:44:26.159
can say that it exists. Because they seem they seem

773
00:44:26.239 --> 00:44:28.679
not to have accepted the DNA, which I find incredible

774
00:44:28.679 --> 00:44:31.000
because there's been a lot of DNA that has been submitted.

775
00:44:31.039 --> 00:44:35.800
A lot of top institutions have admitted have admitted that

776
00:44:36.000 --> 00:44:39.679
certain not all love certain hair samples don't match any

777
00:44:39.719 --> 00:44:42.760
identified species on Earth. So what does that say? That's

778
00:44:42.760 --> 00:44:46.039
evidence in itself. We don't need a body, because what

779
00:44:46.039 --> 00:44:47.599
would the body do the body? We just have a

780
00:44:47.599 --> 00:44:49.360
picture of his creature. But then you still have to

781
00:44:49.360 --> 00:44:51.280
look at the you know, the It could be a

782
00:44:51.280 --> 00:44:53.239
fake body, couldn't It could be it could be something

783
00:44:53.280 --> 00:44:57.519
that someone has contrived and put together some creature from

784
00:44:57.599 --> 00:45:01.480
whatever so or some special I don't know what doll.

785
00:45:02.000 --> 00:45:03.760
So they still have to look at the organs and

786
00:45:03.800 --> 00:45:07.519
do the analysis. It's like these Mexican mummies they found

787
00:45:07.559 --> 00:45:10.800
of his aliens. They didn't just look at their creature.

788
00:45:10.800 --> 00:45:13.239
They went and then examined the DNA. But when our

789
00:45:13.360 --> 00:45:16.760
DNA is showing us and the other guy that I

790
00:45:16.800 --> 00:45:21.320
find is very convincing is Jeff Meldrum. I think it's

791
00:45:21.400 --> 00:45:24.199
Jeff who's from Idaho University. And you know when he's

792
00:45:24.239 --> 00:45:27.199
looked at the casts of the feet and looked at

793
00:45:27.239 --> 00:45:29.719
the dormal ridges on the soles of the feet and say, well,

794
00:45:29.719 --> 00:45:32.719
hang on, how can these dormal ridges? So if it's

795
00:45:32.760 --> 00:45:35.840
a fake cast, they'll have to make sure it has

796
00:45:35.840 --> 00:45:38.559
a sort of a plastic thing on the foot, So

797
00:45:38.840 --> 00:45:41.719
when this thing is moved across the ground, it changes

798
00:45:42.679 --> 00:45:44.360
so that it looks like the you know, like the

799
00:45:44.360 --> 00:45:47.840
domo ridges or on the feet that are very plastic

800
00:45:47.880 --> 00:45:52.079
and pliable. But then the other thing about that evidence

801
00:45:52.199 --> 00:45:56.559
is who goes into a forest places a cast a foot,

802
00:45:56.800 --> 00:45:59.960
a fake foot on the ground that makes an impression

803
00:46:00.639 --> 00:46:02.599
maybe a couple of centimeters and on an age on

804
00:46:02.639 --> 00:46:04.719
the ground that you and I stamping on wouldn't be

805
00:46:04.719 --> 00:46:08.599
able to make an impression on it, and then continues

806
00:46:08.880 --> 00:46:12.440
for like a kilometer through creeks, through river beds, uphill

807
00:46:12.480 --> 00:46:17.039
downhill without leaving any other traces. Right, So you'd have

808
00:46:17.079 --> 00:46:19.719
to have somebody with a machine. He's sitting on top

809
00:46:19.760 --> 00:46:22.000
of the machine and he's jumping on this machine to

810
00:46:22.039 --> 00:46:28.519
break these just not feasible. It's just not feasible, right,

811
00:46:28.840 --> 00:46:30.760
and then just for them to turn around and say, no,

812
00:46:31.079 --> 00:46:33.519
it could be a it's a fake footprint. I agree

813
00:46:33.599 --> 00:46:35.400
a lot is fake. I'm not saying there isn't. I

814
00:46:35.440 --> 00:46:37.320
believe a lot of videos are fake. I think ninety

815
00:46:37.360 --> 00:46:39.840
nine percent of fake, but you can't dismiss the one percent.

816
00:46:40.679 --> 00:46:43.320
So DNA evidence a lot of these footprints during the

817
00:46:43.360 --> 00:46:47.960
Dermo ridges is highly convincing evidence. And I think think

818
00:46:48.000 --> 00:46:50.440
a tunker, I think think a tunker is a guy

819
00:46:50.960 --> 00:46:54.159
who no I mean, I've watched a lot of videos,

820
00:46:54.159 --> 00:46:57.320
but he's the one person where the analysis he's done

821
00:46:57.320 --> 00:46:59.760
on a number of videos has also backed up a

822
00:46:59.760 --> 00:47:02.800
lot of the evidence that we have. And by the way,

823
00:47:02.880 --> 00:47:07.960
evidence is that to prove beyond a reasonable doubt, it's threefold. Literary,

824
00:47:08.360 --> 00:47:11.599
it's testimonial, and it's physical. And we've got the physical.

825
00:47:11.920 --> 00:47:14.440
We've got the physical by way of the DNA, which

826
00:47:14.480 --> 00:47:16.280
no one wants to really talk about, but there is

827
00:47:16.280 --> 00:47:19.320
that DNA saying it's an unidentified creature. We've got the

828
00:47:20.280 --> 00:47:22.920
dermal that the feet rents, we've got a lot of

829
00:47:22.920 --> 00:47:25.519
the video stuff that we've seen with the analyzes, and

830
00:47:25.559 --> 00:47:28.239
then we've got the eyewitness accounts. And by the way,

831
00:47:28.280 --> 00:47:30.360
when I talk of eyewitness accounts, as you know, Jeremiah,

832
00:47:30.400 --> 00:47:33.039
I'm talking about going back hundreds of thousands of years,

833
00:47:33.039 --> 00:47:36.679
going back to the original inhabitants who are saying this

834
00:47:36.719 --> 00:47:39.480
is not a mythical creature, this creature exists, and that

835
00:47:39.719 --> 00:47:43.079
from the first explorers who came to America. Similarly, saying

836
00:47:43.559 --> 00:47:46.079
that they've seen it or they knew about it. The

837
00:47:46.119 --> 00:47:49.599
scientific community is just very blinked, and it needs to

838
00:47:49.639 --> 00:47:52.719
stop being blinked because we know science is also not

839
00:47:52.760 --> 00:47:56.000
a constantly changes. That's a great thing about science is

840
00:47:56.039 --> 00:47:59.840
to be able to integrate new belief systems and to

841
00:48:00.000 --> 00:48:03.000
allow people to collect the evidence to prove those belief systems.

842
00:48:03.079 --> 00:48:07.199
Being a wildlife conservationist, are there certain things that Americans

843
00:48:07.199 --> 00:48:11.079
should be doing to kind of set the foundation for

844
00:48:11.159 --> 00:48:15.719
the time when there is in something let's say there's

845
00:48:15.800 --> 00:48:20.280
a specimen taken in Southeast Oklahoma. When that happens and

846
00:48:20.320 --> 00:48:24.239
it becomes mainstream, we have to be extremely on it

847
00:48:24.519 --> 00:48:27.440
very quick, or it's just all going to fall apart,

848
00:48:27.480 --> 00:48:29.800
like we need to have our foundation in place.

849
00:48:29.920 --> 00:48:36.639
I feel, yeah, I think you're right, because we don't

850
00:48:36.679 --> 00:48:40.639
know what will happen in those circumstances. I do remember,

851
00:48:41.000 --> 00:48:44.079
and it comes back to coming back to what you're saying.

852
00:48:44.119 --> 00:48:47.840
There was a case I've seen the video where a

853
00:48:48.000 --> 00:48:50.800
ranger in one of the parks in America. I can't

854
00:48:50.840 --> 00:48:53.159
remember which one. It was, maybe Yellisterne or something, but

855
00:48:53.239 --> 00:48:57.239
I'm not sure, and he was interviewed and he said

856
00:48:57.280 --> 00:48:59.760
that no, we've seen this creature, we know it exists.

857
00:49:00.039 --> 00:49:03.079
You're told by a boss that if you tell anybody

858
00:49:03.639 --> 00:49:06.840
and you produce the evidence, you'll lose your jobs. That's

859
00:49:06.840 --> 00:49:10.679
the problem, right, that you're involving so many other than organizations.

860
00:49:10.719 --> 00:49:14.519
It's involves the police, it involves forensic scientists, it involves

861
00:49:14.559 --> 00:49:17.280
a government and a stay who make the decision, right,

862
00:49:17.440 --> 00:49:19.199
what should we do? Should we dispose of the body?

863
00:49:19.239 --> 00:49:21.599
Should we put it into storage? Should we to further

864
00:49:21.639 --> 00:49:26.119
investigation is made, So you need to have something under

865
00:49:26.119 --> 00:49:28.960
the law. And I know that the laws are such

866
00:49:29.079 --> 00:49:34.719
now that freedom of information public information should allow anyone

867
00:49:34.760 --> 00:49:37.360
in America to say no, if this is something that's

868
00:49:37.400 --> 00:49:39.719
been found, like a bigfoot, it's in the interest of

869
00:49:39.760 --> 00:49:43.199
the public of the United States and who are taxpayers

870
00:49:43.280 --> 00:49:45.960
who are members of under the constitution, to know what

871
00:49:46.079 --> 00:49:48.760
this is and to be able to see it, and

872
00:49:48.800 --> 00:49:51.079
for representatives of the public, whoever there may be the

873
00:49:51.079 --> 00:49:54.039
big food society to come and make their own determinations

874
00:49:54.960 --> 00:49:56.800
and get an injunction and say, well, if you try

875
00:49:56.800 --> 00:49:59.000
to dispose of this or you try to destroy the evidence.

876
00:50:00.079 --> 00:50:05.119
So potentially it's a criminal act. I don't know much about,

877
00:50:05.159 --> 00:50:07.480
but See. The great thing about America has a great

878
00:50:07.519 --> 00:50:10.920
constitution and it allows for this right and the very

879
00:50:10.920 --> 00:50:17.480
first laws that allowed a disclosure of evidence for benefit

880
00:50:17.519 --> 00:50:20.760
of the public. All this came from America, right, And

881
00:50:20.840 --> 00:50:22.719
it's better that it's found in America than I think

882
00:50:22.760 --> 00:50:26.000
anywhere else. So because we had the safeguards in America

883
00:50:26.039 --> 00:50:28.159
that you don't have in most other countries in the world.

884
00:50:28.239 --> 00:50:30.599
To be brutally honest with you, I think the problem.

885
00:50:30.800 --> 00:50:34.599
The problem, Jeremiah, we have too many fragmented organizations in

886
00:50:34.599 --> 00:50:37.039
the world. I'm not just talking in America. If you

887
00:50:37.079 --> 00:50:41.000
look at our big Foot organizations, it's very heterogeneous. There's

888
00:50:41.039 --> 00:50:45.239
so many different societies. It needs something. You need something

889
00:50:45.239 --> 00:50:47.480
to come together. You need many societies to come together

890
00:50:47.559 --> 00:50:49.960
to form a corpus and say, well, look, we all,

891
00:50:50.079 --> 00:50:54.159
let's share our evidences, let's share our experiences, and let's

892
00:50:54.199 --> 00:50:58.960
form from that a corpus of data that's common at all.

893
00:50:59.119 --> 00:51:01.960
And then no, we know this is one, two, three, four, five.

894
00:51:02.880 --> 00:51:04.679
And I think what we've also got to show the

895
00:51:04.719 --> 00:51:07.679
public is if they say, oh, how come it doesn't

896
00:51:07.840 --> 00:51:09.719
you know, we don't see it. It's such a big creature.

897
00:51:09.719 --> 00:51:11.880
We've got to be able to show them why. And

898
00:51:11.920 --> 00:51:14.400
I can tell you why. I've been in jungles all

899
00:51:14.440 --> 00:51:17.440
over the world. I've been trekking for ours and ours

900
00:51:17.480 --> 00:51:19.719
to see certain animals, and I haven't seen animals that

901
00:51:19.719 --> 00:51:23.800
should be visible. Because when you go into the tea,

902
00:51:23.840 --> 00:51:25.840
how many people have been trekking, I mean you've been trekking.

903
00:51:25.880 --> 00:51:27.840
I've been trekking in the Rockies, have been trekking in

904
00:51:27.960 --> 00:51:31.000
mountains and the andes in the Himalias. When you're trekking

905
00:51:31.039 --> 00:51:34.760
in these places, you go into certain certain places you

906
00:51:34.800 --> 00:51:37.119
can't track. You just can't. I mean you just haven't

907
00:51:37.199 --> 00:51:39.639
got the equipment to do it. I mean you're talking

908
00:51:39.679 --> 00:51:42.719
of I'll give you an example. In India, we have

909
00:51:42.840 --> 00:51:46.480
grass called elephant grass. It grows to about twenty thirty feet.

910
00:51:47.400 --> 00:51:52.400
It's very thick, it's very compacted. An elephant can't even

911
00:51:52.440 --> 00:51:56.840
move through parts of that elephant grass that even for

912
00:51:56.920 --> 00:51:59.679
an elephant, it doesn't have the strength sometimes to move

913
00:51:59.719 --> 00:52:07.920
through those those grassy areas. And it's so thick that

914
00:52:08.280 --> 00:52:10.920
you can't see any animals. Yeah, tigers live sometimes in there,

915
00:52:11.000 --> 00:52:13.719
leopards live there. Pythons that are fifteen to twenty feet

916
00:52:13.760 --> 00:52:18.800
live in these same grassy patches which nobody sees. So

917
00:52:20.440 --> 00:52:23.199
we've got to dismiss this argument. Oh but you know,

918
00:52:23.320 --> 00:52:25.440
hang on, wait a minute, guys, how come you know

919
00:52:25.480 --> 00:52:27.800
we've been your thunders of years and this animals eighty

920
00:52:27.840 --> 00:52:30.079
feet tour. We haven't seen it, as have you been

921
00:52:30.159 --> 00:52:34.800
inside these areas which cover tens of thousands of square kilometers,

922
00:52:35.880 --> 00:52:39.599
dense forests, deep gorges. Can you trek through that? Can

923
00:52:39.639 --> 00:52:42.000
any human trektor that? How many people have been there?

924
00:52:42.599 --> 00:52:45.000
And you think an animal like that can't survive? It's

925
00:52:45.039 --> 00:52:48.280
got an abundance of species. And Jeremy, you know better

926
00:52:48.280 --> 00:52:49.920
than I do. Right, if you go to the Rockies,

927
00:52:50.000 --> 00:52:52.960
you go to America, there are such an abundance of

928
00:52:53.000 --> 00:52:55.880
food source in these forests. You know you've got in

929
00:52:55.880 --> 00:53:01.199
the summer dandelions, flowers, berries, There's a vast amount of

930
00:53:01.239 --> 00:53:03.840
food for these animals to survive on. I mean, bears

931
00:53:03.880 --> 00:53:07.079
can survive, brown bears, grizzlies that weigh up two thousand

932
00:53:07.119 --> 00:53:10.119
pounds eight feet talk can survive just by the plant

933
00:53:10.159 --> 00:53:14.800
matter that's in these forests. So I think we need

934
00:53:14.840 --> 00:53:17.199
to be able to tell people try to get rid

935
00:53:17.239 --> 00:53:21.800
of these preconceived notions in your mind and have an

936
00:53:21.840 --> 00:53:26.360
open mind that how can there only be one species

937
00:53:26.719 --> 00:53:31.119
of homo in this world and apes? What about in between?

938
00:53:31.159 --> 00:53:35.199
We know there were australopitho scenes millions of years ago.

939
00:53:35.960 --> 00:53:39.519
There was not just humans. There were australopitho scenes, and

940
00:53:39.559 --> 00:53:43.800
then there were apes, and australopithoscenes were between the two.

941
00:53:44.000 --> 00:53:46.719
So in other words, they could walk unlike apes, but

942
00:53:46.880 --> 00:53:52.079
like humans they could walk for continuously, for long distances

943
00:53:52.159 --> 00:53:57.599
or even permanently. But like apes, they couldn't lock their knees.

944
00:54:00.119 --> 00:54:02.719
They walked, and they had more the dimensions of apes, like,

945
00:54:02.760 --> 00:54:06.440
for example, shorter legs, longer tosser than a human, longer

946
00:54:06.559 --> 00:54:12.519
arms exactly what I saw. What I saw was more

947
00:54:12.599 --> 00:54:16.679
like an australopithesy. It was like that species intermediate between

948
00:54:17.559 --> 00:54:22.280
apes and humans, that intermediate evolutionary gap, which we haven't

949
00:54:22.320 --> 00:54:28.079
studied enough. So yeah, I think that's what we need

950
00:54:28.119 --> 00:54:28.400
to do.

951
00:54:29.760 --> 00:54:33.480
The sighting of the creature in kind anascus, When you

952
00:54:33.599 --> 00:54:35.840
saw that and you were able to see it move,

953
00:54:36.800 --> 00:54:39.840
did that affect you in any way emotionally? How are you?

954
00:54:39.960 --> 00:54:42.440
How did you time?

955
00:54:44.400 --> 00:54:47.400
I felt? First of all, I felt just so utterly

956
00:54:47.440 --> 00:54:50.960
frustrated that I couldn't record it visually because I wasn't

957
00:54:51.199 --> 00:54:55.719
you know, this wasn't a trip for photography, frankly, because

958
00:54:55.760 --> 00:55:00.440
in a Kanonascas at that time, I mean that I'm

959
00:55:00.480 --> 00:55:02.800
seeing any animals, wild animals, and I've seen enough of

960
00:55:02.840 --> 00:55:06.760
the wild animals, you know, mountain goats and which you

961
00:55:06.840 --> 00:55:10.039
call it a bighorn sheep and basing. The prospects of

962
00:55:10.079 --> 00:55:13.800
seeing bears wasn't that great in Kananascus, although I have

963
00:55:13.880 --> 00:55:17.800
seen them since. So my frustration was I didn't have

964
00:55:17.920 --> 00:55:21.360
the equipment with me to take which I normally take

965
00:55:21.559 --> 00:55:24.079
to do photography, to be able to capture this. But

966
00:55:24.079 --> 00:55:26.440
then I realized that it wouldn't have been a very

967
00:55:26.440 --> 00:55:28.679
good picture because I wouldn't have had a good enough view,

968
00:55:28.760 --> 00:55:31.679
a longer time enough view to focus and take a picture.

969
00:55:31.960 --> 00:55:33.960
So there was a frustration. Maybe it was my ego,

970
00:55:34.360 --> 00:55:37.880
oh my god, but it was also Yes, it was

971
00:55:37.920 --> 00:55:40.840
a frustration of knowing that this thing exists and I've

972
00:55:40.840 --> 00:55:44.280
seen it, and I'm not discussing it with a lot

973
00:55:44.320 --> 00:55:46.760
of people apart from some of my friends that I

974
00:55:46.880 --> 00:55:52.159
was with that I discussed it with, and one of

975
00:55:52.159 --> 00:55:54.480
them also who was from the States, who actually came

976
00:55:54.519 --> 00:55:58.480
to visit and himself couldn't believe what he said. And

977
00:55:58.519 --> 00:56:04.360
I actually wanted to become a doctor. So he's the

978
00:56:04.440 --> 00:56:06.840
last person. And he told me, I don't really want

979
00:56:06.840 --> 00:56:09.840
to talk about this because people will think I'm a

980
00:56:09.840 --> 00:56:12.760
bit crazy, and in my line of profession, I don't

981
00:56:12.760 --> 00:56:15.119
really want to be looked on that. So I said, okay, fine,

982
00:56:15.320 --> 00:56:17.480
but you know, you know what you saw. I know

983
00:56:17.559 --> 00:56:19.800
what I saw and what the other saw. That's all

984
00:56:19.800 --> 00:56:22.159
that's important. And now you know that, you know, we

985
00:56:22.239 --> 00:56:24.559
have to create awareness of the fact this thing exists.

986
00:56:24.800 --> 00:56:27.559
But yeah, I was very frustrated. I felt very I

987
00:56:27.639 --> 00:56:31.280
did feel much, yeah, because I thought this is amazing.

988
00:56:31.280 --> 00:56:34.719
I've been like but you know, I still was of

989
00:56:34.840 --> 00:56:37.000
the view that I didn't really know what i'd seen

990
00:56:37.440 --> 00:56:40.800
until was very confused, and because I just didn't know

991
00:56:40.880 --> 00:56:43.320
what it was. I knew that it wasn't a bear,

992
00:56:43.360 --> 00:56:45.679
and I knew it wasn't a human, and it was

993
00:56:45.840 --> 00:56:47.000
something between. But what.

994
00:56:48.559 --> 00:56:51.679
Well, then, when I've compared all my other experiences as well,

995
00:56:53.800 --> 00:56:56.079
and I'm now fifty five years old, so I'm not

996
00:56:56.159 --> 00:56:59.320
like one of these guys youngsters that sort of proved

997
00:56:59.360 --> 00:57:02.920
himself and oh you want to get some fame and credit.

998
00:57:02.960 --> 00:57:05.199
No, I don't. I just want to be able to

999
00:57:05.239 --> 00:57:07.559
tell people that this thing, in my opinion, does exist,

1000
00:57:08.719 --> 00:57:12.360
and that there will be more sightings. There definitely will

1001
00:57:12.400 --> 00:57:15.440
be more sightings, and it's happening. It's happening as we speak.

1002
00:57:16.480 --> 00:57:21.239
I just saw recently in near Banff these campers who

1003
00:57:21.280 --> 00:57:23.199
had put out a camera and they were at night

1004
00:57:23.280 --> 00:57:27.000
camera and it shows the video of this massive creature

1005
00:57:27.039 --> 00:57:29.599
standing by their tent at night, but two or three

1006
00:57:29.639 --> 00:57:34.079
in the morning over the tent, size of which is huge,

1007
00:57:34.119 --> 00:57:36.920
not a bear, not a human, because you can see

1008
00:57:36.920 --> 00:57:39.039
the fingers, you can see the hands. This is a

1009
00:57:39.880 --> 00:57:48.000
game with unidentified hominide creature. So we're having these experiences

1010
00:57:48.760 --> 00:57:51.000
and they're becoming more and more common. People are seeing

1011
00:57:51.000 --> 00:57:51.679
them more and more.

1012
00:57:54.400 --> 00:57:56.639
Would you ever want to see you one again if

1013
00:57:56.679 --> 00:57:57.480
you had the chance.

1014
00:57:59.199 --> 00:58:02.440
Oh yeah, yeah. I would like to protect it as well,

1015
00:58:04.000 --> 00:58:06.679
and I think it needs to be protected. And I think,

1016
00:58:06.719 --> 00:58:08.599
you know, the states are doing a good job, Jeremi.

1017
00:58:08.679 --> 00:58:11.159
I think Washington State. I believe they already have signs

1018
00:58:11.199 --> 00:58:14.440
that you know. I'm like for the big Foot, like

1019
00:58:14.480 --> 00:58:18.400
bigfoot crossing. See the great thing about the United States

1020
00:58:18.519 --> 00:58:20.679
is open minded, right, That's why it's gone ahead so

1021
00:58:20.760 --> 00:58:24.400
much technologically, so much in terms of in every way

1022
00:58:24.480 --> 00:58:29.239
every sphere of modern advancement, because it's always had an

1023
00:58:29.280 --> 00:58:33.400
open mind to discuss, to bring in new ideas and

1024
00:58:33.440 --> 00:58:36.800
to explore. But that type of open mindedness doesn't exist

1025
00:58:36.840 --> 00:58:39.400
in a lot of other parts of the world. But

1026
00:58:39.480 --> 00:58:42.679
I will mention one other thing. If you look at

1027
00:58:43.000 --> 00:58:44.920
I'm sorry, I hope I'm not going off your question.

1028
00:58:45.440 --> 00:58:49.199
Just that just occurred to me. You talk about seeing

1029
00:58:50.280 --> 00:58:52.880
There was a very famous case in Russia which everyone

1030
00:58:52.960 --> 00:58:57.920
I'm sure knows about who's a bigfoot enthusiastic or the

1031
00:58:57.960 --> 00:59:02.960
diet of incident in Russia and diet love occurred in

1032
00:59:03.039 --> 00:59:05.920
nineteen fifty nine where some students from Moscow they went

1033
00:59:05.960 --> 00:59:09.559
deep into the Ural mountains on an expedition geological expedition.

1034
00:59:11.559 --> 00:59:15.559
Nothing was heard from them, and they seemed to have disappeared.

1035
00:59:16.320 --> 00:59:19.199
An expedition was sent out and they were all found dead.

1036
00:59:20.480 --> 00:59:23.599
What was very odd was some of them had their

1037
00:59:23.599 --> 00:59:25.800
eyes gouged out. Some of them looked like they'd been

1038
00:59:25.840 --> 00:59:29.159
assaulted and attacked and killed. So the Russians put it

1039
00:59:29.199 --> 00:59:31.920
down through the fact that it was probably a freak accident,

1040
00:59:31.960 --> 00:59:35.360
an avalanche or something else. Of course, there was no

1041
00:59:35.440 --> 00:59:37.960
sign of avalanche, and that was dismissed. Then they said, oh,

1042
00:59:37.960 --> 00:59:40.840
there might have been some testing of some weapons nearby,

1043
00:59:41.039 --> 00:59:44.480
the fallout of which killed them. No such evidence. Then

1044
00:59:44.519 --> 00:59:47.119
evidence was found on one of the cameras of one

1045
00:59:47.119 --> 00:59:49.559
of the victims who died, because none of them survived.

1046
00:59:49.599 --> 00:59:53.000
By the way, when they developed that film, the film

1047
00:59:53.079 --> 00:59:57.320
showed a creature from a tree, coming from a tree

1048
00:59:57.360 --> 01:00:01.960
line approaching the camp, huge creature which to this day

1049
01:00:02.280 --> 01:00:06.559
they have not been able to prove it as being

1050
01:00:06.599 --> 01:00:09.880
a hoax or a fake whatsoever. They don't know what

1051
01:00:09.920 --> 01:00:15.039
it is. So the theory is that they were attacked

1052
01:00:15.719 --> 01:00:19.199
by some creature creatures that they're not known to science,

1053
01:00:19.440 --> 01:00:23.320
and they were killed. And the fact is that the

1054
01:00:23.360 --> 01:00:26.880
Russians dismissed it. But then a secret expedition was sent

1055
01:00:26.920 --> 01:00:32.360
out by the Russian government to look for evidence of

1056
01:00:32.400 --> 01:00:35.159
these creatures. It was all kept top secret. If you

1057
01:00:35.199 --> 01:00:39.320
speak to any of the ex Soviets today or whatever

1058
01:00:39.400 --> 01:00:43.000
may be, people maybe who left Russia even are still

1059
01:00:43.000 --> 01:00:45.679
living there, they say no, it was a big cover up.

1060
01:00:45.880 --> 01:00:48.079
The Russians were convinced that these people were killed, and

1061
01:00:48.119 --> 01:00:50.320
they were killed by something that was not known to science,

1062
01:00:50.480 --> 01:00:55.519
by creatures that are not known to science. So Dinalov

1063
01:00:55.639 --> 01:00:59.360
is very, very bizarre because there's no other way these

1064
01:00:59.400 --> 01:01:01.639
people could have died. They couldn't have died throughout Lange,

1065
01:01:01.679 --> 01:01:05.599
they couldn't have died through military attacks or anything of

1066
01:01:05.599 --> 01:01:08.840
the kind. So what killed them? I mean, no, wolves

1067
01:01:08.840 --> 01:01:11.559
and bears would have killed the whole every one of

1068
01:01:11.599 --> 01:01:15.639
them in the way that they were killed. So you know,

1069
01:01:17.480 --> 01:01:21.920
I think that there will be a lot more sightings

1070
01:01:21.960 --> 01:01:24.920
of this creature, and in fact, I'm intending to go

1071
01:01:25.000 --> 01:01:28.360
back again to North America myself to go and explore

1072
01:01:28.400 --> 01:01:31.239
these areas around Calgary like Kananaskis where a lot of

1073
01:01:31.320 --> 01:01:36.320
sightings have been banf Can Moore, and I know even

1074
01:01:36.320 --> 01:01:40.920
in Yellowstone in accident. I was in Yellowstone in June

1075
01:01:41.119 --> 01:01:44.159
May sorry under me, and I was speaking to some

1076
01:01:44.199 --> 01:01:45.639
of the rangers and I said, oh, I saw that

1077
01:01:45.760 --> 01:01:49.760
video and year all faithful that sort of in that

1078
01:01:49.840 --> 01:01:53.280
vicinity where in the winter they showed these three huge

1079
01:01:53.280 --> 01:01:57.320
creatures walk in the background, and I said, oh, do

1080
01:01:57.320 --> 01:01:58.840
you know what that is? What was it was it?

1081
01:01:59.079 --> 01:02:01.000
You said, we don't know, it's puzzling. He told me, said,

1082
01:02:01.039 --> 01:02:02.679
we don't know what it is, said, it's very odd.

1083
01:02:02.800 --> 01:02:05.239
So it wasn't bare as it, No, it could it

1084
01:02:05.239 --> 01:02:08.360
a bit too tall to be humans, you think even

1085
01:02:08.440 --> 01:02:14.719
he agreed. So that's funny. So yeah, so they know,

1086
01:02:15.039 --> 01:02:17.920
they know, Jeremiah, they know, but they're not telling people, right.

1087
01:02:17.920 --> 01:02:21.360
Oh, they and then what I do? Yeah, yeah, they know.

1088
01:02:22.400 --> 01:02:25.480
When you look at the evidence right now that you're

1089
01:02:25.480 --> 01:02:28.199
talking of, thirty nine thousand square kilometers is the Greater

1090
01:02:28.320 --> 01:02:32.280
Yellowstone Area and an eighteen nine thousand if you take

1091
01:02:32.719 --> 01:02:40.280
eighteen nine thousand, if you take the entire of Montana, Wyoming,

1092
01:02:40.480 --> 01:02:44.320
Idaho protected areas like custera Gality and Lewis clarks Has

1093
01:02:44.400 --> 01:02:47.679
showing a flat aired reserve forest, all those areas together

1094
01:02:47.760 --> 01:02:49.840
eighty nine thousand square kilometers, And you tell me they

1095
01:02:49.880 --> 01:02:56.639
couldn't be hundreds of these creatures easily easily With mountains

1096
01:02:56.679 --> 01:03:00.519
also that are center ten eleven twelve thousand feet, most

1097
01:03:00.519 --> 01:03:01.639
of which is inaccessible.

1098
01:03:01.719 --> 01:03:05.480
I think those are some really interesting ideas or places

1099
01:03:05.480 --> 01:03:08.039
for you to look into when you come back over

1100
01:03:08.360 --> 01:03:11.239
and you, yeah, you may even want to look into

1101
01:03:11.440 --> 01:03:17.280
Southeast Oklahoma. It doesn't sound like it's it's interesting. But

1102
01:03:18.039 --> 01:03:22.519
now start to look into the Bigfoot of southeast Oklahoma,

1103
01:03:22.599 --> 01:03:25.639
like with the N A W A C And the

1104
01:03:25.679 --> 01:03:28.119
wood apes that are seen there, and it will absolutely

1105
01:03:28.159 --> 01:03:31.159
blow your mind. Yeah, check that out. It's it's a

1106
01:03:31.440 --> 01:03:31.920
thank you.

1107
01:03:32.480 --> 01:03:35.280
Yeah, I'll definitely do that, Jeremiah. And I know. Coming

1108
01:03:35.320 --> 01:03:38.679
back to the skun cape also of Florida. See, that's

1109
01:03:38.719 --> 01:03:42.360
another very interesting thing because I've traveled through Florida extensively.

1110
01:03:42.400 --> 01:03:46.559
So I've been to sorry not they have a glade,

1111
01:03:46.599 --> 01:03:49.159
but I've been to the Colla. I'm sorry, my mind

1112
01:03:49.239 --> 01:03:54.079
is going, yep, a big forest. I forget. I'm sorry,

1113
01:03:54.159 --> 01:03:56.800
it'll come to me. But the huge forest there is.

1114
01:03:56.840 --> 01:03:59.159
It's not just the south of Florida. Even central Florida

1115
01:03:59.159 --> 01:04:03.639
has some very very dense patches skun capes. And I

1116
01:04:03.719 --> 01:04:06.239
was talking to some I was talking to a police officer.

1117
01:04:06.440 --> 01:04:08.400
I didn't mention this to you. I spoke to a

1118
01:04:08.400 --> 01:04:12.119
police officer. He's from Dunnellen. He was from dunellen and

1119
01:04:12.239 --> 01:04:14.440
he was about to retire and we were talking. Got

1120
01:04:14.440 --> 01:04:16.000
to know him quite well. I've been on a number

1121
01:04:16.000 --> 01:04:18.400
of trips and I've been to that place. And I

1122
01:04:18.440 --> 01:04:21.039
met him and I said oh, this Skun cape, it's

1123
01:04:21.039 --> 01:04:23.679
really and he looked at me. He says, no, for

1124
01:04:23.719 --> 01:04:26.360
sure it exists. And I said, you're just having me

1125
01:04:26.440 --> 01:04:28.400
or are you're just saying that because you're joking. He goes, no,

1126
01:04:28.599 --> 01:04:31.800
we we We've had people who've seen something and it's

1127
01:04:31.840 --> 01:04:35.679
and it's it's definitely not. So I'm trying to think, Jeremiah,

1128
01:04:35.679 --> 01:04:38.599
there's a forest Neil Carla, I can't remember the name.

1129
01:04:39.840 --> 01:04:43.159
It's a huge forest, vast forest in central Florida. It'll

1130
01:04:43.199 --> 01:04:48.039
come to me, but more in this vicinity. And he said, no, No,

1131
01:04:48.079 --> 01:04:51.119
We've they people. We've had people campers who who've gone

1132
01:04:51.159 --> 01:04:53.480
camping and they've seen it and they got so frightened.

1133
01:04:53.480 --> 01:04:55.239
They just picked up this stuff and they left. You're

1134
01:04:55.239 --> 01:04:57.239
sure it's not a bear some of these guys, he said,

1135
01:04:57.239 --> 01:04:58.559
He said some of these guys that one of these

1136
01:04:58.559 --> 01:05:00.679
guys are like six foot five and three hundred pounds.

1137
01:05:00.719 --> 01:05:02.599
So he said, you know, why would he get so

1138
01:05:02.719 --> 01:05:04.480
nervous right away?

1139
01:05:05.320 --> 01:05:08.880
Absolutely, you may be thinking, O Kala National Forest is

1140
01:05:09.039 --> 01:05:10.800
quite big over by the one.

1141
01:05:10.880 --> 01:05:13.280
Yeah. Sorry, you know, I've been to these areas, but

1142
01:05:14.199 --> 01:05:17.519
I'm trying to think because in the area traveled a lot,

1143
01:05:18.280 --> 01:05:21.480
and I've seen a lot of a lot of forest again,

1144
01:05:21.679 --> 01:05:26.039
very tropical looking dance dance forest. So yeah, thank you

1145
01:05:26.079 --> 01:05:28.119
for that suggestion. I would love to do that. America

1146
01:05:28.199 --> 01:05:30.199
is a great country and I try to get that

1147
01:05:30.320 --> 01:05:32.639
as frequently as I can. Got a lot of family there,

1148
01:05:32.679 --> 01:05:35.840
a lot of relatives there. I think it's very open minded,

1149
01:05:36.440 --> 01:05:39.239
and I think it's if we've got chances of ever

1150
01:05:39.440 --> 01:05:42.559
of being able to discover this thing and to record it,

1151
01:05:42.559 --> 01:05:46.280
it's going to be in America more than anywhere else. Absolutely,

1152
01:05:46.679 --> 01:05:50.000
I don't have I don't have that hope. Sadly, Sadly,

1153
01:05:50.119 --> 01:05:53.000
I don't have that hope for anywhere else because it's

1154
01:05:53.000 --> 01:05:55.480
not the fact they don't have even the resources. They

1155
01:05:55.519 --> 01:05:58.519
don't have that open mindedness. They don't have that sense

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01:05:58.599 --> 01:06:04.360
of curial city to explore. And because what I love

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01:06:04.400 --> 01:06:08.079
about the States, there's an immense curiosity about everything. Let's

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01:06:08.119 --> 01:06:10.280
find out, let's get the answer to this, let's that's

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01:06:10.360 --> 01:06:12.440
going to search for the truth. But you don't have

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01:06:12.559 --> 01:06:14.239
that in most of the places in the world.

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I kind of said it better myself, but now what Yeah,

1162
01:06:20.280 --> 01:06:25.239
an incredibly interesting and motivating conversation. I'm so glad that

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01:06:25.280 --> 01:06:26.239
you've reached out to me.

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01:06:26.760 --> 01:06:29.199
No, thank you, that's very sweet to you. I thank

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01:06:29.239 --> 01:06:31.639
you so much for giving me the great honor, the

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01:06:31.679 --> 01:06:34.679
pleasure and the privilege of speaking to you. I really do.

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01:06:34.800 --> 01:06:37.119
And it's I have to thank you more than you

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01:06:37.360 --> 01:06:39.519
than you're thanking me, because I think more thanks is

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01:06:39.559 --> 01:06:40.039
due to you.

1170
01:06:40.119 --> 01:06:43.239
Thank you, Jeremiah, and I wish the best for your

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01:06:43.320 --> 01:06:48.079
future expeditions, and please reach out if anything else, Yeah,

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01:06:48.199 --> 01:06:49.719
definitely when you're looking.

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01:06:49.599 --> 01:06:53.159
So I most certainly will do that. Jeremiah, thank you

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01:06:53.199 --> 01:06:54.679
so much. And I'd just like to say all those

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01:06:54.679 --> 01:06:58.599
people who may be listening to this podcast whatever, please

1176
01:06:58.679 --> 01:07:00.719
keep an open mind. I mean, if I can have

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01:07:00.760 --> 01:07:03.599
an open mind, I owe people. Everybody should and can't

1178
01:07:03.599 --> 01:07:06.960
have an open mind because this thing definitely exists. The

1179
01:07:07.000 --> 01:07:09.719
evidence is there. It's just that people not prepared to

1180
01:07:09.719 --> 01:07:12.360
accept the evidence for this, which they would however for

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01:07:12.519 --> 01:07:13.800
other things.

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01:07:14.400 --> 01:07:17.960
Thanks Jeremiah, Thank you so much, Neav for coming on tonight.

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01:07:18.320 --> 01:07:18.719
Thank you.

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01:07:19.079 --> 01:07:22.079
Have you ever heard all the accounts of bigfoot activity

1185
01:07:22.159 --> 01:07:25.360
around Oakridge, Oregon and you think to yourself, Man, I

1186
01:07:25.360 --> 01:07:28.239
would love to get out in those words and experience

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01:07:28.239 --> 01:07:32.800
it for myself. Well, guess what this year you can

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01:07:33.440 --> 01:07:36.400
If this is interesting to you, stay tuned because it's

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01:07:36.440 --> 01:07:41.360
pretty cool. Sasquatch Summer Fest is coming up July tenth

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01:07:41.440 --> 01:07:45.039
through the eleventh, twenty twenty six. It's going to be

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01:07:45.119 --> 01:07:49.199
even better than the previous year's reason number one, I'll

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01:07:49.239 --> 01:07:51.559
be one of the speakers. It's going to be wild.

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01:07:51.719 --> 01:07:57.119
I'll probably I'll say this. There may be stuff you

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01:07:57.159 --> 01:08:03.719
haven't heard anywhere else, because let's just say sometimes it's well,

1195
01:08:03.880 --> 01:08:05.800
you just got to be there. We'll leave it that

1196
01:08:06.000 --> 01:08:08.639
more about looking for Bigfoot in the Oakridge Woods. Now

1197
01:08:08.760 --> 01:08:13.840
check this out. You may know Jason Kenzie from his

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01:08:13.960 --> 01:08:18.840
documentary series Searching for Sasquatch. Well, this year you can

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01:08:18.840 --> 01:08:22.000
not only go to the festival, but you can also

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sign up for a track deep in the wild forest

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01:08:29.720 --> 01:08:34.359
outside of Oakridge with Jason Kenzie to the Bigfoot spots

1202
01:08:34.760 --> 01:08:38.279
to look for Bigfoot. There's only eight spots to sign

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01:08:38.399 --> 01:08:42.000
up for this. And yes, this will also be filmed

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01:08:42.520 --> 01:08:45.239
for the next chapter in his documentary series, which is

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01:08:45.399 --> 01:08:48.359
Searching for Sasquatch. This is a once in a lifetime deal.

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01:08:48.560 --> 01:08:51.600
It's just it's going to be a wild, wild experience.

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01:08:53.279 --> 01:08:56.720
To get a ticket, head on over to Sasquatch Summerfest

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01:08:56.760 --> 01:09:01.359
dot com and listeners can use the code b SP

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01:09:02.680 --> 01:09:06.159
like Bigfoot Society Podcast in order to get a two

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01:09:06.199 --> 01:09:09.039
day pass for the price of a one day pass.

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01:09:09.600 --> 01:09:14.239
So thanks to Priscilla for giving me that code so

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01:09:14.279 --> 01:09:20.720
that you guys can can get a little help with

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01:09:20.760 --> 01:09:24.079
the cost there. Appreciate that, Priscilla. I hope to see

1214
01:09:24.119 --> 01:09:28.319
you at the booth in Oakridge this year. We can

1215
01:09:28.359 --> 01:09:30.640
talk about your encounter. Was able to talk to so

1216
01:09:30.760 --> 01:09:34.319
many people last year and the year before. It is

1217
01:09:34.439 --> 01:09:37.279
an incredible time. You're not going to want to miss it,

1218
01:09:37.600 --> 01:09:42.039
and I'll see you there. Before we wrap this episode,

1219
01:09:42.079 --> 01:09:44.680
I want to say something directly to a very specific

1220
01:09:44.720 --> 01:09:48.199
group of listeners. If you're in the military, any branch

1221
01:09:48.520 --> 01:09:51.199
or forces, and if you've seen something that no one

1222
01:09:51.239 --> 01:09:54.439
can explain, or if you're a National Park ranger or

1223
01:09:54.600 --> 01:09:58.119
forestreet worker who's been told to stay quiet, if you're

1224
01:09:58.159 --> 01:10:01.560
a pilot who's seen something strang down on the ground,

1225
01:10:01.960 --> 01:10:04.720
or if you're with the FBI a federal agency, or

1226
01:10:04.800 --> 01:10:08.319
working intelligence and you stumbled upon something you're not allowed

1227
01:10:08.319 --> 01:10:11.399
to talk about. And if you're a firefighter, paramedic, or

1228
01:10:11.399 --> 01:10:15.039
search and rescue responder who's heard screams or found tracks

1229
01:10:15.159 --> 01:10:18.159
that didn't make sense. If you're in the logging industry

1230
01:10:19.119 --> 01:10:22.039
on a remote oil field, or a trucker with government

1231
01:10:22.079 --> 01:10:25.720
contracts and you've had something happen that you've never told

1232
01:10:25.760 --> 01:10:29.399
a soul. And if you're a biologist, a wildlife specialist,

1233
01:10:29.560 --> 01:10:32.960
or a field researcher under contract who has found evidence

1234
01:10:33.079 --> 01:10:36.720
you're not allowed to report. If you're a pastor, a missionary,

1235
01:10:36.840 --> 01:10:40.000
or someone on a spiritual retreat and you saw something

1236
01:10:40.039 --> 01:10:42.479
that shook your faith, or if you work in the

1237
01:10:42.479 --> 01:10:47.039
shadows CIA, NSA or anything with clearance and you've seen

1238
01:10:47.199 --> 01:10:50.840
what the public hasn't, then I want to talk to you,

1239
01:10:51.840 --> 01:10:56.720
even if it's anonymous. You can reach me at Bigfoot

1240
01:10:56.720 --> 01:10:59.880
Society at gmail dot com. The world needs to hear

1241
01:11:00.159 --> 01:11:04.960
what you've been forced to carry alone, and you're not alone.

1242
01:11:05.079 --> 01:11:10.159
You've got the story, We've got the mic. See you

1243
01:11:10.159 --> 01:11:12.720
in the WS. Thank you for listening to this episode

1244
01:11:12.720 --> 01:11:15.960
of the Bigfoot Society podcast. Every encounter we share reminds

1245
01:11:16.000 --> 01:11:18.520
us that the world is bigger and stranger than we think,

1246
01:11:19.239 --> 01:11:21.479
and that the truth is often hiding just beyond the

1247
01:11:21.520 --> 01:11:24.760
tree line. If you enjoyed this episode, please be sure

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01:11:24.800 --> 01:11:27.359
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01:11:27.439 --> 01:11:29.600
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01:11:33.560 --> 01:11:36.399
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01:11:36.479 --> 01:11:38.720
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01:11:38.760 --> 01:11:42.399
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1254
01:11:42.760 --> 01:11:45.399
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1255
01:11:45.479 --> 01:11:48.439
has had a Bigfoot sighting, please I'd love to hear

1256
01:11:48.479 --> 01:11:51.640
from you, so email me at Bigfoot Society at gmail

1257
01:11:51.680 --> 01:11:54.960
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1258
01:11:54.960 --> 01:11:57.560
gotten a chance yet, check out our membership community over

1259
01:11:57.600 --> 01:12:01.520
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01:12:01.560 --> 01:12:05.079
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01:12:05.239 --> 01:12:09.079
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1262
01:12:09.199 --> 01:12:12.159
to connect with other people that are into the Bigfoot

1263
01:12:12.159 --> 01:12:15.000
subject as much as you are. Thanks again for following

1264
01:12:15.039 --> 01:12:17.680
along with the Bigfoot Society until next time, keep your

1265
01:12:17.680 --> 01:12:20.560
eyes open, trust your gut, and never stop asking what

1266
01:12:20.680 --> 01:12:22.840
else might be out there and see you in the woods.