Dec. 6, 2025

Witnesses Encounter Massive Bigfoot in Missouri Forest and Walk Away Forever Changed

Witnesses Encounter Massive Bigfoot in Missouri Forest and Walk Away Forever Changed
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Season 1

Join host Jeremiah Byron from Bigfoot Society as we sit down with Mary Ann Ziebell, BFRO investigator, expedition leader, and founder of the Ozark Mountain Bigfoot Conference, for one of the most action-packed conversations ever recorded. Maryanne shares her first-night Missouri Bigfoot encounter, where a massive, upright, hair-covered figure stepped from behind a tree only 25 yards away, changing her life forever.


She dives into wild activity from Missouri, Arkansas, and Oklahoma—including tree knocks, tracking evidence, thermal hits, campsite stalkings, orbs, UAP encounters, and close-range sightings reported during BFRO and private expeditions. From the Ozarks to Land Between the Lakes, Maryanne breaks down what investigators really experience in the field and how her team teaches casting, tracking, and tech skills to new researchers.


If you’re fascinated by Bigfoot in the Ozarks, Midwest cryptid hotspots, real BFRO investigations, or boots-on-the-ground fieldwork, this episode delivers nonstop insight and unforgettable witness stories.


Topics include:
• Mary Ann’s first Bigfoot sighting in south-central Missouri
• Activity in Arkansas, Oklahoma, and Kentucky
• BFRO expedition structure & behind-the-scenes details
• Campsite visits, rocks thrown, and night-time stalkers
• Orbs, UAPs, strange lights, and unexplained thermal signatures
• The Ozark Mountain Bigfoot Conference & private campouts
• Tracking, evidence collection, and tech used in the field


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BFRO expedition - https://www.bfro.net/

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You're listening to Bigfoot Society, and I'm Jeremiah Byron. In

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this show, we go beyond the campfire stories to bring

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you first hand encounters from people who say they've seen

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something impossible. From backwoods trails and remote mountain haulers to

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quiet farms and crowded highways. The stories come from everywhere,

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and each one leaves us with more questions than answers.

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These are the voices of the people who've lived it.

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So settle in because today you'll hear another account that

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just might change the way you see the woods forever.

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So stay with us, all right, Bigfoot Society. I've got

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the privilege of talking to Marianne's Abelle today. How are

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you doing today, Marianne, I'm great, How are you doing awesome?

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A few things that listeners will want to know about

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you right off the bat. You are a BFROO investigator

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and you lead the expeditions in the states of Missouri, Arkansas,

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in Oklahoma. You're also the founder of the Ozark Mountain

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Bigfoot Conference in Springfield, Missouri. You lead a private Bigfoot

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expedition with that conference as well. And you are also

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on the Bigfoot wild Man in Booger's podcast show on YouTube.

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But welcome to the show, Marian. You know, when I

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have researchers on, I always like to start with, what

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was it that first got you, you know, into the

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field of bigfoot? What was it that that sucks you

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in there?

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Exactly? Well, as a little kid, I griven a very

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small town and in the summertime, when it was just

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ungodly hot, I would go with my mother. She worked

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in town, and there was a library across the street

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from where she worked, and I would go spend my

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afternoons in the library because it was cool, air conditioned.

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And you know, I started out with some of the

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books on bigfoot, nessy and just had an interest in

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anything weird and have had that for forever. And you know,

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the interest was there when I was younger, and then

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as you know, as I got older in life happens,

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you know, you kind of get away from it and

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then got back to watching you know, Monster Quest and

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things like that. You know, that just sucked me back

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into it. And I was at work one day and

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all the girls that I worked with knew, you know, oh,

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she likes everything weird, you know. And one of the

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girls had come in and said, my husband was listening

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to the police scanner last night and there was a

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bigfoot sighting in the county they lived in. And what

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you know, because at this point in time, I still thought,

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you know, West Coast primarily was you know, sure didn't

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think they were, you know, that close to us. And

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she's like, yeah, go home and go look up, you know,

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go look up on the BFRO and which i'd been

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on that before, but I guess I just didn't wasn't

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paying that much attention. And I was on it and

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I got to looking and I found the expeditions and

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I decided, Okay, that's what I want to go do.

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And so I told my husband, We're going to go bigfoot, honey,

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and he's like, we're going to do? What? Where are

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we going and what are we doing. Took a little

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bit of talking, and you know, I convinced him, and

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so twenty nineteen we signed up to go on our

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first expedition. And you know, he told everybody we were camping.

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That's all he would tell him. He would tell them

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what we were really doing. You know, my sons were

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not happy that I was going to the woods with

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forty people. I didn't know. They thought I'd lost my mind.

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You know, they still sometimes think I've lost my mind,

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but you know that's just you know, that's mom. But

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we were pulling into the camp, the camping area, and

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I looked at my husband. I said, this is either

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going to be the greatest thing we've ever done, or

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it's going to be the worst thing. And we're going

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to know about five minutes in, you know, and we

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kind of laughed about it. And I have made some

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of the best friends, you know, from that very first expedition.

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There's still people that come and go and we see

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them all the time. We have traveled with them. You know,

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it's like we built another family through this. But yeah,

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we went to the expedition and first night out we

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were so they kept all the new people kind of together,

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and the gentleman that was leading the expedition took us

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all out. We've been out a good couple of hours

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and we met up with the other groups and the

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area that we were in, we were able to divide

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up again into our smaller groups and go on out again.

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And we had walked down the road and we got

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down the road a little ways and he was like,

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let's just you know, there was an old logging road.

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We walked off onto it and just off into the

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wood right there, and he's like, let's just sit down

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and listen. So there was ten of us and we

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all sat down. My husband was leaning up against a tree,

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but we were all kind of in a circle and

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we were sitting there and there was a little bit

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of conversation going on. I am sitting next to this

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young lady who has Camo head to toe, and she

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like pulls her hoodie up and she just you know,

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scrunches down. She's going to take a nap. And I'm

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I'm kind of got tickled because I kept looking at

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her and thinking, what you know, Camo your head to

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tell Camo why you know. And then I look back

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and it's like, Okay, if I didn't know she was there,

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I would walk right past her. So then I'm like, okay, okay,

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I guess I can't really laugh at Camo. It really works.

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But there was a conversation this whole time with some

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of the gentlemen off to the right hand side, discussing

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where everybody was sitting, and they were having this discussion.

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They were cam and you know, they came up well Okay,

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there's ten of us, but at this point they there's

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three of these gentlemen that jump up and move in

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an opposite direction from us. And there was something that

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had came in, and we assume it came in because

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it was behind a bush. It jumps up, rolls over

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the berm, and runs away. It had been within a

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few feet of some of us. And so we're all

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standing and facing this direction now because of all the

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commotion that's gone on, and they're discussing, you know, what

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they've seen, what happened, you know, and we're all just

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kind of listening. And behind my husband and I and

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there was another young lady standing next to us. You

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could hear something loud. It sounds like when you take

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your hand and slap the side of your leg, but

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much larger. That happened a couple of times, and we

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all kind of looked at each other, acknowledging that we

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had You heard that, Yeah, I heard that, And so

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we around and I took a I don't know about

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four or five steps in that direction. At that point,

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about twenty five yards out something very large upright, and

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Harry steps out from behind the tree. And now it

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was a full moon, so you couldn't see the features

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on the face because the moon was right overhead, but

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you could tell that it was large, broad, Harry, you

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know all these things. And so at this point, it's

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not making any it's not trying to hide. It wants

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to be seen. You know. It's on one side of

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the tree. It steps to the other side of the tree.

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So at this point, my husband goes and gets the

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gentleman that's leading the expedition, and he's still so worked

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up over what we had just experienced that we can't

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really get him to focus and look at what we're

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talking about. And he's having a hard time with it.

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And we started to hear movement to the other side

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out there. Well, at this point that kind of, like

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I said, he's already stirred up, he's excited. At this point,

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he's decided we're going to be surrounded, that we're going

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to leave, and I'm like, no, this is what we

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came for, right, this is what we're looking for. This

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we're supposed to be out here. Well, basically I was

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told if I didn't didn't come along willingly, I was

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gonna be picked up and carried out the woods. Now

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this is my first expedition, so I'm.

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Trying it was your husband, right, No, oh, no.

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My husband knows better than just say things to me

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like that. So I was behaving because, like I said, first expedition,

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first night, I don't know these people. So I begrudgingly

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left the woods. And as we're walking out, you can

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hear it. It's following us. It's like lelling us out

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of the woods. So we get out onto the road.

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It was a paved road, and we're walking back to

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one of the other groups and one of the gentlemen

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is standing in the road and he's thirmy and he says, hey,

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you guys left somebody down there. We started We're like, no,

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we didn't know, we didn't we know exactly what that is.

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And he was like what, you know, he wasn't catching

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up with what we were talking about. He was able

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to get enough of the trees and things and see

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where the head of this was at to where they

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could go back the next day in the daylight, and

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they decided that, you know, this thing was approximately seven

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and a half feet tall because of one of the

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limbs that they were able to compare it to. So

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when we went back to that area the next day.

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As we're walking in, there's a little mud hole and

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my husband found a track. Now it wasn't huge, it

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was a barefoot track in October in the middle of

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the woods, so, you know, it was kind of you

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could it was hard to cast because it was in

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a mudhole. There was still water in it. I believe

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someone did cast it, but it just it really didn't

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turn out. We have pictures of it, but we weren't

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able to cast it. So when we walked back over

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to the area that we were sitting, there was a

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little berm on one side of it that was a

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couple of feet tall, and when you would stand on

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that and look at where we'd been sitting, that area

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was completely matted down. And it was an area that

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was probably ten twelve foot square circle, completely matted down. Now,

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if you turned around and looked off the other side

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of the berm, there's all these little shrubs or not shrubs,

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little saplings all through the forest everywhere else except right there.

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So we started to kind of wonder was that where

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they would bed down? Did we walk into where they

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normally sleep, you know, And so then we start to

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talk about did we walk in and there was one

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sitting there and it just froze and let us all

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sit down. Did it come in behind us? You know?

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But there was a small one in there, and when

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the guys stood up and moved toward it is when

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it rolled over the burm and took off.

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Good.

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Yeah, that was my first night on my first expedition ever.

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And I said, that's it. I'm hooked. I'm doing this

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till I can't do it anymore.

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I can't imagine that. I mean, the first time going

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out and you have you have a sighting, and how

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far away would you would you say it was? Probably

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might have been.

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Twenty five yards. I mean that was the and I

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think that was Mama. The baby was that was in

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the circle with us, probably was only fifteen feet away

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from us, and it was closer to the people on

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the other side. So a very close first encounter.

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Yeah, absolutely, I mean that's about a length of a

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tennis court. It's really not too far at all. Now

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I know that. Of course, you know BFR expeditions, we

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cannot talk about like where it is specifically. Are you

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able to share the state that that happened in or oh, yeah,

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that was in Missouri.

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It was in the south central Missouri.

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Yeah, sure, yep, that makes total sense. Yeah, because it

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is wild and wild and wild down there from what

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I hear. I'm from central Iowa. I have not made

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it down to that area of Missouri yet to do

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any big Foot stuff, but hopefully in the future I

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will because you know, just talking to my friend Miguel,

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there's some wild stuff that happens down there.

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We don't have to be you know, you hear these

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people talk about, oh you got to go so many

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miles out and be this deep, not down here. You know,

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you really don't, you know, they're they're surprisingly there are

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things that happened sometimes on the outside of some of

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the towns, so you know, you just have to have

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the right conditions. You need to have running water and

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food and cover, and they're there.

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H absolutely. So you're hooked after this? Did that set

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you then on a course where it's like, Okay, I

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got to come back to one of these right away,

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or or what was your life like after you had

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this experience on the first expedition.

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Well, yeah, if I could have found another one to

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go on to the next week, and I all about

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it at that point, in time, there was only like

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one a year in Missouri. We did end up we

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went to Kentucky a couple of times and you know

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that was very interesting, went out there with with that,

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and then ended up in Oklahoma on a private, private expedition.

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So yeah, any chance that you know, we got to

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go somewhere, we went, you know, because it just for

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one thing, I mean, it's camping. You can't beat camping.

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And then you get to go out and you know,

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run around in the woods in the dark.

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I mean, yeah, it can get pretty wild, for sure.

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It's just it's it never fails that makes me how

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crazy it is. Speaking from experience, like going out to

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different places. So you've done multiple expeditions where you're a

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member over the years. Have you been fortunate enough to

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have any other Class A or close encounters or was

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that first one the closest you're able to get? Do

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you think.

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We've had some other stuff go on the first year

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that we camped on the private expedition that I do

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with my conference with the Ozark Mountain Bigfoot Conference. So

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we have some private property that the landowner lets us

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take some people to and what we do is immediately

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after the conference. We take them out there and we

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set up and we camp for you know, three or

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four days. The landowner has had, you know, things happen

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ever since he's moved into this property. And the first

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year that we camped, the very last night there was

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a little storm that rolled in and it was sheer

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chaos for about fifteen twenty minutes in camp. You know,

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people run around trying to hold the tents down, and

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it was just this microburst type of thing and sheer chaos.

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Everybody survived it. You know, some people were wet, but

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everybody pretty much survived this, and everything comes back down.

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Everybody kind of turns in for the evening and one

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of the girls that was there was she was actually

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a paranormal researcher. She had decided to sleep in her

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car and not get back in the tent. The other

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two ladies were in the tent, but she got in

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the car. Her car was actually parked in between her

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tent and my and my husband's tent, and she said,

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about three point thirty four o'clock in the morning, she

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kept hearing this tink tink tink, like something was tapping,

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and so she finally opened her eyes and got her

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bearings and she said she saw something move. Well, it

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was actually right behind our tent, and she said she

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could see, you know, head and shoulders behind our tent,

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and our tent is like six feet tall, so she

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could see it moving around. And she will say, I

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didn't know what to do. I'm a paranormal, you know.

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She goes, I didn't know if I'm supposed to take pictures.

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She's like, I didn't know if I took a picture

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if it would charge my vehicle. She just had no

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clue what to do, so she just covered her head up,

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went big to s. So the next morning I had

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gotten up been out. My husband, in passing says something too,

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I think I think we had something around the tent

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last night. And I'm not paying a whole lot of

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attention at that point, and then I start to hear

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other people talking about things. So I go back to

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him like, Okay, what do you mean, you know, explain

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and he's like, well, I woke up and I could hear,

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you know, something moving around on It was basically on

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his side of the tent. I said, what time was this?

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And he's telling me, Well, then she comes over after

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he's told me that she starts telling me what she's

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seen and her timeline in his time, because they both

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happened to look at their phones was the same time.

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And then we get the people in the tent on

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down from us, like five minutes later. They had stuff

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going on. And the nice thing about all this was

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everybody was they looked at their phones or their watches.

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So we had a timeline. And so I got Shane Carpenter,

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he's a good friend of mine, got him up and

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he tracks, and I said, okay, we've got we've got

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some tracks out here, and we had to We thought

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we were going to have to tie Daniel Perez to

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one of the tents because he was wanting to run

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out there and get into the tracks. Yes, he was

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in his mind. We're like, you are not going in

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there until the tracker goes in there, right, And so

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we got him calmed down and Shane was able. He

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was able to go through because it was really tall

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grass and find the compression tracks and track this thing.

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It had done a complete circle around the whole camping

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area and been in and around everybody's tent that night.

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So yeah, you know, we've had them come right up.

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They like to come up on us in that area.

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They don't vocalize a lot out there, but they will

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come up and walk right through, you know, up amongst

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the tents and things like that, and just kind of

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mess around. It was last year that we were out

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there that we were getting a thermal hit on one

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and it wasn't real big. It was only about five

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feet tall, and we kept getting like the head and

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shoulders catching it going through the woods type of thing.

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But there's been multiple times when we've had them not

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that far from us, and that we know of. I mean,

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who knows about the times that we don't. We were

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in a private camping area, a private campground a few

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years ago, and my husband and I have a and

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little retro vintage camper and it has a window above

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the sleeping area that's about at least seven feet high.

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And we were in that one night and there was

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like one street light in that campground and it was

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kind of shining in the camper. And I woke up

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in the middle of the night and the campers completely dark,

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and I thought, that's kind of weird. It was lit

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up when we went to bed, you know, and I'm

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thinking about it, you know, I'm like, well, did that

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light go out? You know, and I'm contemplating getting up,

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but it's like every movement you make in that little thing,

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the thing just squeaks right, and I'm like, I'm not moving,

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I'm just gonna stay put. And about that time, whatever

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was in front of my window moved away and the

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light was back. And so the next morning I didn't

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tell my husband and say, hey, come here, and I said,

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how high is this this window? And he's six feet

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tall and it was, you know, a good foot over

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his head and that was the bottom of the window.

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It's not a very big window, you know, just one

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of those little tiny windows, but there had been something

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out there blocking the light. So they were standing right

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on the other side of the campers. So, I mean,

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we've had, yeah, we've had a lot of things like

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that go on over the years. We've had one we

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were sitting one evening we had broken off. We've got

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several groups and going in different areas and we stayed

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in the central area and we just sat there. We

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were in chairs, we were just sitting there and we

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didn't have anything go on for like two hours, complete silence.

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Call everybody back in they're making their way back to us.

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We've kind of picked our chairs up, we're milling around

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waiting for everybody to come back in, and we get

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this pristine whoop that comes at us, and it sounded

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just like one of the guys, and we kept saying,

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why is he why would he stop make that? You know,

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it didn't make sense to us, and it wasn't very

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far from us. It was just right there on the hill,

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right where we were at. So when that guy gets back,

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we're like, why did you do that? And he's like,

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I didn't. He said, if you go down and look

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at the road I was on, he goes, I couldn't

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have stopped my truck and got out, because he said

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I'd had to roll all the way to the bottom

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and started again. So it was like it knew we

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were leaving, and you know kind of like, okay, they're

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headed out.

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It'll be clear in a minute, right, Which is I mean,

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that's a pattern that you hear from other researchers as well,

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and I'm thinking specifically of like the Olympic Project guys.

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They call that out quite a bit, where you know

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they'll hear a vocalization or a would knock when they're

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arriving out of area or when they're leaving. And I

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think probably many other researchers have experienced that as well.

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That's why I always start, you know, my recorder up

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when I'm getting to the campsite that I go to

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and just in case you capture something. But you know,

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talking about the Ozark Mountain Bigfoot Conference, can you share

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a little bit more about what kind of things you

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guys are doing during that conference.

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Well, so we do, you know, one day of conference,

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and we try to bring people in who are are

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more science driven, you know that can teach people. We

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had a gentleman, David Zagan came this year and he

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actually works you know in the Atlanta area and he

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you know, he's a forensics officer and so he was

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you know, he's talking about all those things that you

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the correct way to do things. And then we go

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and camp directly after. I mean, we get done Saturday

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afternoon and we basically have a big caravan out to

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this property and everybody sets up and we are you know,

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we're out there through Tuesday and when we're on premise,

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you know, we're we're doing night ops out there. But

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we're also like David did a casting class and in

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several different soil mediums. You know, he was showing how

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you would get something if it was just like a

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sandy print, and then you know, in a rocky one,

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and just he was showing people different ways. And it's

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the little trip to tips that he had, like he'll

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stand there and shake that bag forever and talk, you know,

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and you're thinking he's just talking, and he said, I know,

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you think I'm just talking. He said, but I'm looking

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at this and as long as I still have air

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bubbles coming to the top, he goes, it's not ready,

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you know, and he was different things like that. I

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brought him back for my BFRO expedition at the end

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of October, and you know he's teaching again and he's

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teaching how to, you know, to pour and not lose

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like if you had dermal ridges, you know, you want

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to pour so that you can get those right. And

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so he's showing how to pour on the side to

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where it continually pours on itself and it gradually then

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moves out into the print and it doesn't You're able

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to collect everything that way because it's not an abtrusive

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way of pouring, because some people just pour it all

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over the bottom and that can sometimes damage those those

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dermo bridges and things like that, as where if you

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pour it on the side and you just let it

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creep in itself, it's less likely to damage any of that.

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But like, we bring people in like that that teach

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that kind of stuff, and I do the same thing

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on my expeditions. I always have a speaker. I always

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have a speaker on my expeditions that can teach, you know,

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share things that kind of stuff, because that's what we're

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all about, you know. We want to teach people about

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these things. We want to share with them. We want

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to teach them if you go out on your own,

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you know, how do you pour a cast if you

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happen to come across a print? How do you collect

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evidence correctly if you come across hairs or scat or whatever?

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You know. This year, we're getting ready to start teaching

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how to use some tech because a lot of people

452
00:26:23.680 --> 00:26:28.640
don't know how to do that. And our mutual friend

453
00:26:30.599 --> 00:26:34.400
Levi is going to be doing that, you know, yeah

454
00:26:34.559 --> 00:26:40.880
right he is. Levi's my tech guy and and you know,

455
00:26:40.960 --> 00:26:44.519
so he's going to teach you know, every every one

456
00:26:44.559 --> 00:26:46.680
of these. First of all, when before we give people

457
00:26:46.759 --> 00:26:49.480
this tech to take out, we're going to teach them

458
00:26:49.559 --> 00:26:52.839
how to use it. You know, that seems to be

459
00:26:52.920 --> 00:26:55.359
something because everybody's got a different piece. Well, if we

460
00:26:55.480 --> 00:26:58.200
have six of these and we can pass it out

461
00:26:58.279 --> 00:27:00.640
to the group, you know, and show these people how

462
00:27:00.720 --> 00:27:04.480
to use it, then when we come back, everybody's had

463
00:27:04.480 --> 00:27:07.039
the same piece of tech and knows how to use it.

464
00:27:08.519 --> 00:27:11.920
So that's that's something that we're going to implement on

465
00:27:11.960 --> 00:27:14.960
our expeditions this year, and we'll do the same thing

466
00:27:14.960 --> 00:27:18.039
at the conference because the conference in camp out is

467
00:27:18.079 --> 00:27:22.200
a lot like the expeditions, you know, it's just we

468
00:27:22.240 --> 00:27:25.000
stay in one place on the property because a lot

469
00:27:25.039 --> 00:27:27.200
of the times we don't have to go anywhere. They

470
00:27:27.240 --> 00:27:31.279
will just come to us, and the speakers usually go

471
00:27:31.319 --> 00:27:33.720
out and camp with us. So the people that camp

472
00:27:33.880 --> 00:27:38.799
actually get three days with the speakers to spend time

473
00:27:38.920 --> 00:27:41.160
out on the trail with them or in the camp

474
00:27:41.240 --> 00:27:45.119
talking or just whatever. And you know, we feed them,

475
00:27:45.640 --> 00:27:48.640
we take care of them. I mean, it's the whole thing.

476
00:27:48.839 --> 00:27:52.680
You know, we try to meet every need out there.

477
00:27:53.359 --> 00:27:58.799
That's awesome. So when is the next one of that

478
00:27:59.039 --> 00:27:59.440
going to.

479
00:27:59.400 --> 00:28:03.720
Be It will be October the third, and it's at

480
00:28:03.799 --> 00:28:06.359
Relics Events Center in Springfield, Missouri.

481
00:28:06.799 --> 00:28:09.759
Cool. Yes, that's really cool. I think that's a great

482
00:28:09.799 --> 00:28:17.279
model too for you know, I conference slash camp out.

483
00:28:17.920 --> 00:28:20.480
I think that's that's really cool. There's a few few

484
00:28:20.480 --> 00:28:23.079
other people that are starting to do that as well.

485
00:28:24.319 --> 00:28:27.559
And let's see, I think of Olympic Strange Days up

486
00:28:27.599 --> 00:28:32.519
in Washington do something very similar to that. And then

487
00:28:33.160 --> 00:28:40.440
Randy down in Tennessee is starting to do that starting

488
00:28:40.759 --> 00:28:45.119
in twenty twenty six with his Cryptid camp out. And

489
00:28:45.720 --> 00:28:47.720
you know, which is is a learning time, but it's

490
00:28:47.720 --> 00:28:50.079
also like you're you're able to get into the field

491
00:28:50.160 --> 00:28:53.920
with and get access to, as you said, you know,

492
00:28:54.000 --> 00:28:58.240
these speakers and learn and get that that bond that

493
00:28:58.319 --> 00:29:02.400
you can't really get that connection on over the internet.

494
00:29:02.519 --> 00:29:05.599
You know, really, I've said this so many times. At

495
00:29:05.640 --> 00:29:08.039
the end of the day, you know, you have to

496
00:29:08.079 --> 00:29:10.279
get out there in the field because once you do,

497
00:29:12.000 --> 00:29:15.440
it's going to really open up for you. You'll understand

498
00:29:15.480 --> 00:29:18.720
things in a different way that you can't understand if

499
00:29:18.759 --> 00:29:23.559
you're just reading books or talking to people on Facebook

500
00:29:23.599 --> 00:29:26.119
groups or you know, blah blah blah, and like you

501
00:29:26.160 --> 00:29:28.039
get out there and you're like, oh my goodness, this

502
00:29:28.079 --> 00:29:31.279
is what it's like when something responds to me, you know,

503
00:29:31.400 --> 00:29:33.440
after I do a wood knock or something. It's just

504
00:29:33.559 --> 00:29:38.039
it's it's you can't put it in words right now.

505
00:29:39.960 --> 00:29:43.119
I was going to bring up Levi later, which is now,

506
00:29:44.240 --> 00:29:48.240
I'm glad you already did so. So you have come

507
00:29:48.319 --> 00:29:51.799
up on the show before. When I had Levi last

508
00:29:51.839 --> 00:29:56.359
on I Believe, and he shared about we kind of

509
00:29:56.400 --> 00:30:04.039
talked about the expedition. I would be are you comfortable

510
00:30:04.480 --> 00:30:09.359
do you mind sharing your your viewpoint of what happened?

511
00:30:10.200 --> 00:30:13.480
Which expedition we tell you he's been on about four

512
00:30:13.559 --> 00:30:13.880
or five?

513
00:30:14.160 --> 00:30:18.000
Oh has he? Oh my goodness, Okay, he talking about.

514
00:30:17.759 --> 00:30:21.839
The very first one where we had the UAP.

515
00:30:22.960 --> 00:30:28.400
I'm talking more about the one where he has a

516
00:30:28.480 --> 00:30:33.759
device which we're not going to name. Oh yeah, I

517
00:30:33.799 --> 00:30:36.839
think that might might be an interesting story.

518
00:30:38.000 --> 00:30:41.440
Yeah, he has, like you said, he has this little device.

519
00:30:41.559 --> 00:30:43.920
He calls it his phone phone call. He's going to

520
00:30:43.960 --> 00:30:47.119
make a phone call. And we talked about it a

521
00:30:47.200 --> 00:30:49.359
little bit and I said, well, sure, try it, you know,

522
00:30:50.119 --> 00:30:52.359
and he had done it a little bit and then

523
00:30:52.359 --> 00:30:54.599
he comes back over to me the first time. He's like, okay,

524
00:30:54.680 --> 00:30:58.119
I need help. It's okay, what do you need help with?

525
00:30:58.720 --> 00:31:00.680
And he's like, I need to be to do this.

526
00:31:00.799 --> 00:31:03.519
But he's like, he has these shooting muffs that he's

527
00:31:03.559 --> 00:31:06.519
tweaked a little bit, right, and he's like, I want

528
00:31:06.559 --> 00:31:08.359
you to put these on, and I want you to

529
00:31:08.400 --> 00:31:11.000
stand over here while I'm doing this. And I said, okay,

530
00:31:11.079 --> 00:31:14.559
I'm you know, I'm gay. Why not? And he goes, now,

531
00:31:14.640 --> 00:31:16.640
if you hear anything, you know, you tell me. And

532
00:31:16.680 --> 00:31:19.240
I said, okay. So I have these shooting muffs on

533
00:31:19.319 --> 00:31:22.240
and I'm pointed in one direction and there's another lady

534
00:31:22.279 --> 00:31:25.480
with me. She's standing like right behind me. Now she

535
00:31:25.559 --> 00:31:28.880
doesn't have any of them on, and he's off down

536
00:31:28.880 --> 00:31:32.200
the road, you know, doing his phone call right And

537
00:31:34.240 --> 00:31:39.440
as he's doing this, there is this voice that comes

538
00:31:39.480 --> 00:31:43.960
out of the woods at me that is like boom,

539
00:31:44.079 --> 00:31:48.680
that's that's what it says. At the same time, there's

540
00:31:48.720 --> 00:31:52.119
this little tiny green light that shows up for a

541
00:31:52.160 --> 00:31:56.960
split second, and I'm squealing did you hear that? Did

542
00:31:56.960 --> 00:32:00.400
you hear that? And the lady that's behind me, she's like, no,

543
00:32:00.720 --> 00:32:04.119
I don't have the muffs on. I didn't hear anything, right,

544
00:32:04.759 --> 00:32:07.440
And I'm looking at her and I'm like, I've taken

545
00:32:07.480 --> 00:32:09.640
him off and I'm just standing there, going you didn't

546
00:32:09.720 --> 00:32:14.160
hear that. She's like, I did not hear that, and

547
00:32:14.200 --> 00:32:16.640
I so leve I comes back at this point, he goes,

548
00:32:16.640 --> 00:32:20.720
what happened? What happened? And so I'm telling him. He's like, interesting,

549
00:32:21.160 --> 00:32:23.599
you know, that's how you get out of him, you know,

550
00:32:24.039 --> 00:32:26.440
And I'm like, well, but what was that? And he goes,

551
00:32:26.480 --> 00:32:28.799
I don't know, you know, but yeah, that was the

552
00:32:28.880 --> 00:32:32.079
very first time he ever did it. That was the

553
00:32:32.079 --> 00:32:34.279
the you know, what happened to us?

554
00:32:35.519 --> 00:32:40.400
So, yeah, that's that's that's pretty cool. Is that the

555
00:32:40.960 --> 00:32:44.319
weirdest thing that's ever happened to you on an expedition

556
00:32:44.799 --> 00:32:45.720
public or private?

557
00:32:46.200 --> 00:32:50.880
At this point? No, yeah, because that very same expedition

558
00:32:51.200 --> 00:32:56.240
we ended up chasing a UAP for two hours. You know,

559
00:32:56.480 --> 00:32:58.160
that was the first time we've ever really had that.

560
00:32:59.440 --> 00:33:02.599
We've had it expeditions where we've had orbs, you know,

561
00:33:03.240 --> 00:33:08.440
multiple states, multiple orbs. So that's that's not that big

562
00:33:08.440 --> 00:33:10.640
of a deal. That almost has gotten to the point

563
00:33:10.640 --> 00:33:17.960
where it's almost we don't get that excited about it anymore.

564
00:33:18.119 --> 00:33:21.519
I guess I guess that's bad, but we haven't happened

565
00:33:21.519 --> 00:33:27.000
so much that it. But the weirdest thing I think

566
00:33:27.039 --> 00:33:30.559
so far that happened to us happened back in September

567
00:33:30.640 --> 00:33:35.240
and we were on an expedition in Arkansas. Now we'd

568
00:33:35.240 --> 00:33:38.000
never been in this area, you know, and we were

569
00:33:38.039 --> 00:33:40.480
out one night and one of the gentlemen, you know,

570
00:33:40.519 --> 00:33:46.079
he's got his flair, and he keeps looking at something

571
00:33:47.480 --> 00:33:49.920
and it's just him and I standing in the road

572
00:33:49.960 --> 00:33:52.920
at this point. The other people are, you know, twenty

573
00:33:53.000 --> 00:33:55.119
five thirty feet away from us, back at the trucks,

574
00:33:56.000 --> 00:33:58.000
and he finally says, I'm going to walk closer to this.

575
00:33:58.119 --> 00:34:01.319
He goes, there, I'm getting a faint heat signature up

576
00:34:01.440 --> 00:34:05.279
on this tree. And I said okay, And so he

577
00:34:05.359 --> 00:34:07.720
walks up there a little ways and he stops and

578
00:34:07.759 --> 00:34:09.440
he comes back and he's stands there and he goes,

579
00:34:09.519 --> 00:34:12.000
I can't go back and say this in front of everybody,

580
00:34:12.039 --> 00:34:16.400
and I said, what what what do why? You know?

581
00:34:16.840 --> 00:34:20.840
He goes it looked like a fairy and I said,

582
00:34:20.840 --> 00:34:22.599
what do you Okay, well, wait, what do you mean?

583
00:34:23.000 --> 00:34:28.360
He goes it had almost the butterfly shaped wings, and

584
00:34:28.400 --> 00:34:30.679
he goes it looked like it had a body, and

585
00:34:30.719 --> 00:34:35.519
he goes, it was not a hot hot heat signature.

586
00:34:35.599 --> 00:34:38.320
He goes, but he goes, you could see that it

587
00:34:38.400 --> 00:34:43.639
was warmer than the tree. And he goes, I didn't

588
00:34:43.719 --> 00:34:46.719
really want to go any closer to it, because he said,

589
00:34:46.800 --> 00:34:52.159
I've never seen anything like that. Says okay, So he

590
00:34:52.199 --> 00:34:53.880
really doesn't talk about it a whole lot. I mean

591
00:34:53.880 --> 00:34:59.119
a little bit. You know, we kind of skimmed over

592
00:34:59.119 --> 00:35:04.679
it the next morning debriefing. Friday night, we're in camp

593
00:35:04.800 --> 00:35:07.599
because that area that we were at we didn't have

594
00:35:07.639 --> 00:35:10.239
to leave camp. They were coming in and throwing rocks

595
00:35:10.360 --> 00:35:13.880
at the Yeah, they were just yeah, I think we

596
00:35:14.000 --> 00:35:17.119
had juveniles and they were having fun with us, you know.

597
00:35:18.440 --> 00:35:23.440
But Friday, we've got we're sitting in and we were

598
00:35:23.519 --> 00:35:26.960
kind of like it was a very small camp, private campground.

599
00:35:27.599 --> 00:35:29.920
There's a couple of cabins, and you know, we were

600
00:35:30.280 --> 00:35:33.360
all over the place, so people were pointed in different directions,

601
00:35:34.000 --> 00:35:36.719
you know, using their thermals and their flickers and all

602
00:35:36.719 --> 00:35:40.559
that kind of stuff. And he got it again in

603
00:35:40.639 --> 00:35:45.320
the campground that night and he's like, what is this.

604
00:35:45.480 --> 00:35:51.199
He goes, it's the same same stuff, right, And we

605
00:35:51.199 --> 00:35:53.719
were talking about it a little bit. Well, then there

606
00:35:53.800 --> 00:35:56.159
was a lady at the other end of the campground

607
00:35:56.199 --> 00:35:58.480
that comes in. She goes, I got the weirdest thing.

608
00:35:59.760 --> 00:36:05.280
She got it too, oh man, really right. So then Saturday,

609
00:36:06.039 --> 00:36:10.480
the landowner she had invited a couple of the locals

610
00:36:10.480 --> 00:36:12.920
over and they're telling us their stories. And it was

611
00:36:12.920 --> 00:36:16.440
a husband and wife and they ride ATV's out there

612
00:36:16.480 --> 00:36:20.199
a lot, especially at night, and he's telling us all

613
00:36:20.239 --> 00:36:22.119
these stories and then he looks at his wife, who's

614
00:36:22.400 --> 00:36:24.679
she's like four feet tall. I mean, she's a little

615
00:36:24.679 --> 00:36:27.440
bitty thing. Right. He's like, now you tell her the

616
00:36:27.480 --> 00:36:33.280
weird stuff. And I'm like okay, And so she's like

617
00:36:33.400 --> 00:36:35.599
looking at me and I'm like tell me. He's already

618
00:36:35.679 --> 00:36:38.320
said it. You got to tell me now. She's like

619
00:36:38.400 --> 00:36:41.000
we were like driving down this trail, you know, and

620
00:36:41.079 --> 00:36:44.480
she's like, all of a sudden, something flies in front

621
00:36:44.519 --> 00:36:47.760
of us. She goes, and it was like time stood still,

622
00:36:47.960 --> 00:36:53.079
everything stopped, and she goes, it looked like a fairy.

623
00:36:53.239 --> 00:36:55.400
It had the wings, it had the body. She goes,

624
00:36:55.440 --> 00:37:01.119
it had a face, and it had Yeah. And the

625
00:37:01.639 --> 00:37:04.400
gentleman that had got it, he's looking at me like

626
00:37:05.519 --> 00:37:09.280
because we didn't say anything about that to anybody outside

627
00:37:09.280 --> 00:37:12.880
of our group, right, and these people just start talking

628
00:37:12.920 --> 00:37:16.840
about it, and we're just we're looking at him and

629
00:37:16.840 --> 00:37:19.840
they're like what and he starts telling him what he's

630
00:37:20.000 --> 00:37:21.920
you know that we've gotten that, and they're like, thank god,

631
00:37:22.000 --> 00:37:24.719
somebody else has seen that. We thought they were losing

632
00:37:24.760 --> 00:37:28.320
our minds. They wouldn't even talk about it. She's like,

633
00:37:28.480 --> 00:37:32.880
it felt like everything stopped. They saw it. It goes on,

634
00:37:33.199 --> 00:37:35.639
they keep going going down. She said, they didn't talk

635
00:37:35.639 --> 00:37:38.280
about it for like thirty minutes, you know, which I've

636
00:37:38.280 --> 00:37:41.360
heard people that happens to him. You know, they just

637
00:37:41.480 --> 00:37:46.119
can't process what they've seen for a little while. But yeah,

638
00:37:46.239 --> 00:37:50.000
that was We have never had anything like that happen before.

639
00:37:50.480 --> 00:37:54.239
That is wild. Was that a bfroro or a private one?

640
00:37:54.599 --> 00:37:56.079
No, that was a bfro one.

641
00:37:56.119 --> 00:38:00.000
Wow. Really, oh my goodness, just incredible that they actually

642
00:38:00.119 --> 00:38:05.079
he saw it too, not with a thermal man. That

643
00:38:05.599 --> 00:38:09.880
that is That is wild wild stuff. I mean, I'm

644
00:38:09.880 --> 00:38:12.559
trying to Arkansas has some weird stuff come out of it.

645
00:38:12.639 --> 00:38:15.559
I mean it does. I was just looking at my

646
00:38:15.679 --> 00:38:18.599
map and like it. One of the weirdest things I've

647
00:38:18.599 --> 00:38:23.360
ever been told is at a mina, Arkansas, where this

648
00:38:23.480 --> 00:38:26.760
lady was sitting in a van and there had been

649
00:38:26.840 --> 00:38:29.719
like bigfoot activity outside and then all of a sudden

650
00:38:30.440 --> 00:38:32.400
he looks over in the van and like a white

651
00:38:32.400 --> 00:38:36.320
bigfoot is in the van with her, and then like

652
00:38:36.400 --> 00:38:38.920
blinks out, and I'm like, oh my goodness, what is

653
00:38:38.960 --> 00:38:42.519
going on down in Arkansas? That is wild? Wild stuff?

654
00:38:42.960 --> 00:38:45.920
It is it is. We were just in Fouc last weekend.

655
00:38:46.079 --> 00:38:49.760
Oh yeah, we went camping and yeah, that that's a

656
00:38:49.840 --> 00:38:53.000
wild place down there. I mean, you know, it's like

657
00:38:53.079 --> 00:38:55.320
I think Missouri's wild, and then you head down there

658
00:38:55.360 --> 00:39:00.199
and go, oh okay, that's that's different. Or lambage in

659
00:39:00.199 --> 00:39:01.039
the lakes.

660
00:39:01.000 --> 00:39:03.320
That's oh really.

661
00:39:03.760 --> 00:39:05.719
Oh yeah, we were back there. We went down there

662
00:39:05.719 --> 00:39:09.960
in September. We were invited to a private a private outing,

663
00:39:10.519 --> 00:39:13.440
and we had a local gentleman who kind of decided

664
00:39:13.480 --> 00:39:15.360
he was going to be our tour guide, right, and

665
00:39:15.519 --> 00:39:19.400
he and he investigates down there, him and his partner

666
00:39:19.519 --> 00:39:22.320
down there like every other weekend, and he was taking

667
00:39:22.400 --> 00:39:25.599
us into places where the grass was higher than the

668
00:39:25.639 --> 00:39:28.920
cab of the truck. And Levi's in the back seat

669
00:39:28.920 --> 00:39:31.480
and I'm like, Levi, there's raptors in that grass. And

670
00:39:31.519 --> 00:39:35.400
he's like, oh, there's just more stuff to worry about.

671
00:39:35.320 --> 00:39:35.559
You know.

672
00:39:35.880 --> 00:39:37.760
But yeah, as we're driving through it, I'm rolling the

673
00:39:37.800 --> 00:39:43.679
window up because I'm like, yeah, no, no. But we

674
00:39:43.719 --> 00:39:48.000
had a very weird experience there. He had taken us

675
00:39:48.000 --> 00:39:51.639
to this area where he says that they have a

676
00:39:51.679 --> 00:39:55.159
lot of activity. And he said, you know, we were

677
00:39:55.239 --> 00:39:57.960
there at the right time of the night. Normally the

678
00:39:58.039 --> 00:40:03.519
coyotes come in start, you know, just raising cane. There's

679
00:40:03.599 --> 00:40:07.760
something else he doesn't know. Apparently there are wolves down there.

680
00:40:07.840 --> 00:40:11.599
I did not know this. And then something comes in

681
00:40:11.639 --> 00:40:14.519
and shuts everything up right, So we're expecting to have

682
00:40:14.679 --> 00:40:19.119
just all kinds of stuff go on. And we're standing

683
00:40:19.199 --> 00:40:21.280
right there at the lake and it's on a boat

684
00:40:21.360 --> 00:40:25.880
launch and I don't know who was the person that

685
00:40:25.960 --> 00:40:29.760
realized it, but we're watching the water lap and we

686
00:40:29.840 --> 00:40:34.719
can't hear it. I'm right, wait a minute, that's that's

687
00:40:34.760 --> 00:40:37.320
weird because you can see it, but you can't hear it.

688
00:40:37.679 --> 00:40:40.360
So then we get to looking and we can see

689
00:40:40.400 --> 00:40:44.199
the boats. There's boats on the lake. We can't hear those.

690
00:40:46.519 --> 00:40:51.400
And Levi was trying to do his phone call. It

691
00:40:51.519 --> 00:40:52.480
wasn't going anywhere.

692
00:40:54.119 --> 00:40:55.599
Oh you had that Levi with you?

693
00:40:55.719 --> 00:40:59.079
Okay, oh that everywhere with me?

694
00:41:00.199 --> 00:41:02.719
That's sorry, go ahead, I just made that connection.

695
00:41:03.119 --> 00:41:05.360
Yeah, no, that Yeah, when I say Levi, it's that way.

696
00:41:05.360 --> 00:41:07.199
Okay, same guy, Yeah, okay, one.

697
00:41:07.440 --> 00:41:10.760
Yeah. I mean, it was just the weirdest thing out there.

698
00:41:11.199 --> 00:41:14.719
It was like we were in a sound bubble because

699
00:41:14.920 --> 00:41:18.360
there was a little cove and there was a peninsula

700
00:41:18.559 --> 00:41:21.079
across from us, and there was a deer over them.

701
00:41:21.119 --> 00:41:23.840
We were making all kinds of noise. He never even

702
00:41:24.000 --> 00:41:27.800
looked up at us. He wasn't hearing us. He didn't

703
00:41:27.800 --> 00:41:32.519
know we were there, and so yeah, it was like nothing.

704
00:41:32.719 --> 00:41:35.360
It was just we were in this bubble of no sound.

705
00:41:35.440 --> 00:41:38.639
And I mean we could see the boats, we couldn't

706
00:41:38.679 --> 00:41:40.760
hear them. You know, we should have been able to

707
00:41:40.800 --> 00:41:43.760
hear them, they were that close to us. So yeah,

708
00:41:43.800 --> 00:41:45.719
we were like, okay, that's weird. So we got in

709
00:41:45.760 --> 00:41:50.840
the track and we took off and we're headed in

710
00:41:51.360 --> 00:41:55.400
deep in there, and we're headed to this cemetery and

711
00:41:55.559 --> 00:41:58.239
Levi's in the back seat with his shooting muffs on

712
00:41:58.320 --> 00:42:01.239
and he's got his head stuck out the window, and

713
00:42:01.360 --> 00:42:04.599
you hear it as plain as day a bell. It

714
00:42:04.760 --> 00:42:08.679
dinged one time and you could hear it over the

715
00:42:08.719 --> 00:42:13.440
truck with the windows down, and he's losing his mind.

716
00:42:13.480 --> 00:42:15.239
Did you all hear that? And we're like, yeah, we

717
00:42:15.280 --> 00:42:18.400
could even hear it. And so when we got to

718
00:42:18.599 --> 00:42:21.159
the cemetery, we there was a truck ahead of us.

719
00:42:21.559 --> 00:42:23.480
We're like, did you guys hear that bell? And they

720
00:42:23.480 --> 00:42:27.440
were like, yes, that was the weirdest thing, just one

721
00:42:27.719 --> 00:42:31.880
one time, middle of nowhere, and we get to the

722
00:42:31.920 --> 00:42:34.960
cemetery and there's there's a light, you know, and they're

723
00:42:34.960 --> 00:42:38.880
trying to figure out what that is. At one point,

724
00:42:39.199 --> 00:42:42.280
they're shining the lights in the cemetery and they go

725
00:42:42.400 --> 00:42:46.519
past something and I redirect them back and I'm like,

726
00:42:46.679 --> 00:42:49.800
right there, what is that? And the guy's like, that's

727
00:42:49.800 --> 00:42:52.280
a stump. I said, no, that's not a stump. And

728
00:42:52.360 --> 00:42:54.639
so he starts cause he's got a really high powered

729
00:42:54.679 --> 00:42:59.320
flashlight and he starts moving around different angles, you know,

730
00:42:59.400 --> 00:43:02.280
trying to get a and he comes back and he goes, no,

731
00:43:02.360 --> 00:43:06.519
that's not a stump. I was okay. Which they're very

732
00:43:06.559 --> 00:43:08.079
big into dog man down there.

733
00:43:08.440 --> 00:43:10.159
Oh yeah, absolutely yeah.

734
00:43:10.199 --> 00:43:13.039
And so he's like, okay, we're not alone out here.

735
00:43:13.920 --> 00:43:17.199
And I said okay, you know, and he's like, it's

736
00:43:17.199 --> 00:43:19.880
probably time to get in the truck, you know. And

737
00:43:20.039 --> 00:43:23.880
everybody down there is armed, which that's not usually the case,

738
00:43:24.000 --> 00:43:26.880
you know, when we're out, that's not the norm for us.

739
00:43:27.719 --> 00:43:30.039
And you've got all these people that are like, nope,

740
00:43:30.039 --> 00:43:33.760
we're getting back in the truck. And there was no

741
00:43:33.920 --> 00:43:39.000
eyeshine on this thing. It stood perfectly still. So I

742
00:43:39.039 --> 00:43:42.079
don't know, I think it had its back to us,

743
00:43:43.719 --> 00:43:48.280
but it was not moving, I mean not at all.

744
00:43:48.800 --> 00:43:51.519
And so yeah, at that point we were like, okay,

745
00:43:51.599 --> 00:43:56.400
we've had enough, so we got in the truck and

746
00:43:56.760 --> 00:44:00.880
headed back into camp. But yeah, that place down there

747
00:44:01.039 --> 00:44:05.039
is definitely there's some weird stuff that goes on down there.

748
00:44:09.639 --> 00:44:11.360
That's it. That's one of those areas. I haven't been

749
00:44:11.400 --> 00:44:15.920
there yet either, And you hear so many wild, wild

750
00:44:15.960 --> 00:44:22.440
things about the LBL. Definitely. Now we mentioned you've also

751
00:44:22.559 --> 00:44:28.880
been to Oklahoma before. Are there any any stories that

752
00:44:28.880 --> 00:44:31.440
that stick out in your memory of things you've experienced

753
00:44:31.440 --> 00:44:34.800
down in Oklahoma? Can get pretty pretty weird down there too.

754
00:44:35.480 --> 00:44:38.280
We've been down there twice, once on a private one

755
00:44:38.320 --> 00:44:41.119
and then we did the bf R O one. The

756
00:44:41.239 --> 00:44:45.480
private one we were down around Sulfur with a bunch

757
00:44:45.480 --> 00:44:50.079
of different people and we were out standing on the

758
00:44:50.119 --> 00:44:52.039
creek bank. I think there was about five or six

759
00:44:52.079 --> 00:44:54.360
of us. We were just kind of wandering around. There's

760
00:44:54.360 --> 00:44:57.519
a literally you can drive out of the town and

761
00:44:57.639 --> 00:45:02.679
into the campground. It's it's bizarre, and so we're just

762
00:45:02.760 --> 00:45:05.800
kind of wandering around the campground because half the campground's

763
00:45:05.840 --> 00:45:09.559
like closed off. They have this huge campground and they

764
00:45:09.559 --> 00:45:13.880
don't open the back half of it anymore. Right, So

765
00:45:13.920 --> 00:45:16.440
we're back and there wandering around because it's you know,

766
00:45:16.480 --> 00:45:20.320
it's nice level you can walk. And we'd walked all

767
00:45:20.320 --> 00:45:24.000
the way back to the river back there, and we

768
00:45:24.000 --> 00:45:26.079
were standing along it. Like I said, there was probably

769
00:45:26.079 --> 00:45:29.000
I guess about six of us and we're just being quiet,

770
00:45:29.039 --> 00:45:32.400
stand there looking around, and we hear this thud that

771
00:45:32.559 --> 00:45:36.840
sounds like something huge has dropped out of a tree.

772
00:45:36.960 --> 00:45:39.000
And it was funny because we all turned around at

773
00:45:39.000 --> 00:45:42.239
one time because we all heard it. It was behind us,

774
00:45:42.320 --> 00:45:47.000
you know, and we were like, what was that? You know,

775
00:45:47.079 --> 00:45:50.480
we never saw anything. We back the next day trying

776
00:45:50.480 --> 00:45:54.320
to find tracks things like that. But we had that

777
00:45:54.400 --> 00:45:56.960
happen to us in the LBL too, of where you

778
00:45:57.039 --> 00:46:00.480
hear that thud of something. Yeah, and it was during

779
00:46:00.480 --> 00:46:02.880
the day. It was during the day that we had

780
00:46:02.920 --> 00:46:09.599
it there. But so we went last May to Oklahoma

781
00:46:09.639 --> 00:46:12.880
with a BFRO expedition and those people down there talk

782
00:46:12.920 --> 00:46:15.199
about it like it's no big deal. They see it

783
00:46:15.239 --> 00:46:19.239
all the time, you know. They would come up and

784
00:46:19.280 --> 00:46:21.760
tell us about seeing it when they were out fishing.

785
00:46:22.400 --> 00:46:27.159
You know, it's out in the lake just all over

786
00:46:27.199 --> 00:46:34.360
the place. We were in an area that there was

787
00:46:34.400 --> 00:46:36.920
a road and there was one of the gentlemen. We

788
00:46:36.920 --> 00:46:39.280
were out doing some scouting during the day and there

789
00:46:39.360 --> 00:46:43.760
was two vehicles of us and the vehicle behind us.

790
00:46:43.840 --> 00:46:46.320
They thought they saw something and they stopped and we

791
00:46:46.400 --> 00:46:49.880
realized we'd lost them. So we were, you know, trying

792
00:46:49.920 --> 00:46:51.639
to get a hold of them, and one of the

793
00:46:51.639 --> 00:46:54.239
guys is like, yeah, we might have had a sighting,

794
00:46:54.320 --> 00:46:57.280
and so we go find them. When we go back

795
00:46:57.280 --> 00:46:59.320
and there's like, here's this suv in the middle of

796
00:46:59.360 --> 00:47:04.199
the road. All the doors are oh. We pull up,

797
00:47:04.199 --> 00:47:08.719
going Okay, this doesn't look good, and they're off in

798
00:47:08.760 --> 00:47:13.159
the woods over here and they'd seen a tree structure.

799
00:47:13.360 --> 00:47:16.239
So that's what made them get out and go look, right,

800
00:47:16.440 --> 00:47:21.000
something that they thought was a tree structure. Well, one

801
00:47:21.000 --> 00:47:23.800
of the gentlemen is just standing. He's standing closer up.

802
00:47:23.840 --> 00:47:26.360
He didn't go all the way. The other two found

803
00:47:26.360 --> 00:47:28.480
a game trail, and they'd headed down the game trail,

804
00:47:28.519 --> 00:47:31.800
see if they find anything else interesting. And he's standing

805
00:47:31.800 --> 00:47:34.840
there waiting for him to come back, and to his right,

806
00:47:35.079 --> 00:47:38.000
he caught movement out of his you know, his peripheral

807
00:47:38.320 --> 00:47:40.719
and so he kind of turns and looks, and there's

808
00:47:40.719 --> 00:47:43.760
something coming through the woods toward him, and he said,

809
00:47:43.800 --> 00:47:47.440
you know, my brain kept going, what's the landowner doing. Well,

810
00:47:47.920 --> 00:47:50.840
we weren't on private land, we were on public plant.

811
00:47:51.079 --> 00:47:53.320
But he said, that's what my brain he goes. And

812
00:47:53.320 --> 00:47:56.760
then my brain kept going, why is the landowner dressed

813
00:47:56.760 --> 00:48:01.719
and head to toe brown, you know. And finally when

814
00:48:01.719 --> 00:48:05.039
it gets closer, it dawn's on him. That's not the landowner.

815
00:48:05.679 --> 00:48:07.679
And so it came up at an angle and then

816
00:48:07.880 --> 00:48:10.679
walked in front of him about I think, he said,

817
00:48:10.679 --> 00:48:13.960
about twenty five feet out from him. And he said,

818
00:48:14.119 --> 00:48:19.000
just walked, never looked at him, never broke stride, just

819
00:48:19.400 --> 00:48:22.400
through the trees and down the trail. The two guys

820
00:48:22.440 --> 00:48:26.320
were on right, and he said, he goes, it was beautiful.

821
00:48:26.360 --> 00:48:29.159
He goes, it was this beautiful reddish brown, you know,

822
00:48:29.280 --> 00:48:33.719
kind of the auburn colored, right. He said, you couldn't

823
00:48:33.760 --> 00:48:36.360
hear it, And he said it was gone so fast

824
00:48:36.400 --> 00:48:39.159
it wasn't even funny. He goes, it just the movement

825
00:48:39.199 --> 00:48:43.880
of it, smooth, fluid gone. So it's he's standing there

826
00:48:43.960 --> 00:48:47.360
and here come the other two guys up, and he said,

827
00:48:47.360 --> 00:48:49.599
did you see it? And they're like, did we see what?

828
00:48:50.800 --> 00:48:53.280
And he tells them and he's like, it just literally

829
00:48:53.400 --> 00:48:55.760
went down the trail where you just came out up.

830
00:48:56.519 --> 00:48:59.559
They never saw it. They had to have been within

831
00:49:00.360 --> 00:49:03.599
ten to fifteen feet of it, never saw it. And

832
00:49:03.639 --> 00:49:05.519
this was in the middle of the day, in the afternoon.

833
00:49:07.480 --> 00:49:12.880
So yeah, I cannot imagine that. I haven't been fortunate

834
00:49:13.039 --> 00:49:16.480
enough yet to have a sighting like that. So I

835
00:49:16.480 --> 00:49:20.719
don't know what the reaction, you know, would be, and

836
00:49:20.760 --> 00:49:23.960
I don't think you'd know until you get into that situation.

837
00:49:24.119 --> 00:49:26.840
I think you can. You can try to prepare for it,

838
00:49:27.159 --> 00:49:28.880
I'm pretty sure, and you can be like, Okay, I'm

839
00:49:28.920 --> 00:49:32.039
ready to see one, but like, you don't know until

840
00:49:32.119 --> 00:49:37.159
you actually you see it. And yeah, I hope someday

841
00:49:37.239 --> 00:49:39.760
that happens I don't know. We'll see. I'm headed down

842
00:49:39.840 --> 00:49:44.159
to see I'm going to Oregon next year again, and

843
00:49:44.199 --> 00:49:48.039
I'm going to Oklahoma and Tennessee. So we'll see.

844
00:49:48.519 --> 00:49:52.960
Yeah, but you should be able to, you know, I mean.

845
00:49:53.280 --> 00:49:57.440
And it's funny sometimes it's it happened so quick. When

846
00:49:57.440 --> 00:50:01.599
we were in Arkansas, we had set up we would

847
00:50:01.679 --> 00:50:04.280
leave camp at night. I said, okay, let's do what

848
00:50:04.320 --> 00:50:07.400
we've done every night, and so we would have our dinner,

849
00:50:07.480 --> 00:50:10.119
sit around the fire for a little while, and then

850
00:50:10.599 --> 00:50:12.480
we would all get in the vehicle and go leave

851
00:50:12.519 --> 00:50:15.239
for about an hour, right because we were trying to

852
00:50:15.280 --> 00:50:18.519
recreate the first night, and so every night this worked.

853
00:50:20.159 --> 00:50:22.360
So the last night when we came back, we had

854
00:50:22.400 --> 00:50:26.000
set a hunting blind up in a clearing up by

855
00:50:26.039 --> 00:50:29.159
the cabin where they were throwing rocks, and it had

856
00:50:29.159 --> 00:50:31.119
been out there all day, so they had plenty of

857
00:50:31.119 --> 00:50:33.280
time to have seen it. You know, they knew we

858
00:50:33.360 --> 00:50:36.039
put it out there, type of deal. So me and

859
00:50:36.079 --> 00:50:39.000
two other women we went and got in it. And

860
00:50:39.039 --> 00:50:41.039
it's sitting kind of up the hill a little ways

861
00:50:41.079 --> 00:50:43.599
from camp. Now, all the guys were down around the

862
00:50:43.639 --> 00:50:47.719
campfire and they had, you know, all their equipment out watching, right,

863
00:50:48.679 --> 00:50:51.239
because we were going to see just if we got

864
00:50:51.280 --> 00:50:54.039
anything going on. And the first thing, just a few

865
00:50:54.079 --> 00:50:57.559
minutes after we had been in there, well, leave I

866
00:50:57.599 --> 00:51:00.599
had came up and he had dropped a very small

867
00:51:01.800 --> 00:51:04.159
glows to kind of like the ones you use for fishing,

868
00:51:05.000 --> 00:51:07.440
just a teeny tiny one. Because he had him stuck

869
00:51:07.519 --> 00:51:09.119
all over the place, you know, we were kind of

870
00:51:09.119 --> 00:51:10.559
waiting to see if something was going to pick him up,

871
00:51:10.599 --> 00:51:12.559
and we could see him, but the one that was

872
00:51:12.639 --> 00:51:15.760
laying on the ground above us, it was really small.

873
00:51:16.679 --> 00:51:19.360
We could see it. One of the girls kept telling

874
00:51:19.400 --> 00:51:23.159
them that she could hear she could hear something moving around.

875
00:51:23.400 --> 00:51:25.679
The guys couldn't find anything on the thermal, but she

876
00:51:25.719 --> 00:51:28.559
could hear it. We'd been in there a little while

877
00:51:29.199 --> 00:51:33.320
and all of a sudden, there's like this it was

878
00:51:33.400 --> 00:51:38.840
almost like cat urine, this odor that just you know,

879
00:51:39.000 --> 00:51:43.679
like waffed it in and we're telling him what we're smelling,

880
00:51:43.719 --> 00:51:47.400
you know, so they can and as as soon as

881
00:51:47.400 --> 00:51:50.280
it started, it was gone, right, and we were like,

882
00:51:50.400 --> 00:51:53.360
that is so weird because if it was something that

883
00:51:53.400 --> 00:51:56.559
had done that, you would think that smell would be

884
00:51:56.679 --> 00:52:00.119
you know, would stay for a while, right, And so oh,

885
00:52:00.760 --> 00:52:03.360
Levi was the only one that was coming up to

886
00:52:03.440 --> 00:52:06.480
the blind, and he had a certain route that he

887
00:52:06.519 --> 00:52:08.639
would come to the blind, and he'd always come up

888
00:52:08.639 --> 00:52:11.000
to the blind and go, don't shoot me. I'd say, Okay, Levi,

889
00:52:11.039 --> 00:52:13.320
I'm not going to shoot you. You know, that was

890
00:52:13.400 --> 00:52:17.000
the thing every time, you know, don't shoot me. Okay,

891
00:52:17.079 --> 00:52:19.719
leev I'm not gonna shoot you. So we're sitting there

892
00:52:19.800 --> 00:52:23.840
and all three of us are facing different directions, and

893
00:52:24.000 --> 00:52:26.559
I'm kind of sitting where I can look back into

894
00:52:26.559 --> 00:52:29.360
the camp and I can look behind the cabin, and

895
00:52:29.440 --> 00:52:33.679
the other ladies were pointed in different directions, and I'm

896
00:52:33.719 --> 00:52:36.920
watching and I think I see Levi. And then it

897
00:52:37.039 --> 00:52:42.000
dawns on me. That's not Levi. And I'm like, wait

898
00:52:42.039 --> 00:52:44.360
a minute. And that's when I finally said something. I'm like,

899
00:52:44.639 --> 00:52:46.639
that's not Levi. And they're like, what are you talking about.

900
00:52:46.639 --> 00:52:49.679
I said, that was not Levi. That just came out

901
00:52:49.800 --> 00:52:52.920
and went back. It was kind of like it came

902
00:52:52.960 --> 00:52:55.159
out of the woods just far enough to go past

903
00:52:55.239 --> 00:52:57.639
the blind we were in and tround shot right back

904
00:52:57.719 --> 00:53:02.760
into the woods. Yeah, and we're sitting there discussing it,

905
00:53:02.800 --> 00:53:05.119
and here comes Levy. I said were you just up here,

906
00:53:05.159 --> 00:53:07.360
he goes, No, I was in camp down that they

907
00:53:07.400 --> 00:53:10.519
can tell you. I was down there in camp, and

908
00:53:10.599 --> 00:53:13.159
that thing took the opportunity to come shooting out of

909
00:53:13.159 --> 00:53:16.039
the woods, run past us, and run back in. And

910
00:53:16.079 --> 00:53:17.760
of course, did anybody in camp get it?

911
00:53:17.840 --> 00:53:19.199
No? You know.

912
00:53:19.840 --> 00:53:25.920
Yeah, So that evening, the lady that had been staying

913
00:53:25.960 --> 00:53:29.599
in the cabin that they were pelting constantly, she'd had

914
00:53:29.599 --> 00:53:32.159
to leave early. So this thing had a big, nice,

915
00:53:32.239 --> 00:53:36.039
screened in porch and it had rained almost every day.

916
00:53:36.159 --> 00:53:38.719
And I told my husband, I said, let's pack the

917
00:53:38.719 --> 00:53:41.559
tin up. It's dry, let's pack it up. Let's just

918
00:53:41.559 --> 00:53:43.639
take our cots and sleep on that front porch. It's

919
00:53:43.639 --> 00:53:53.159
screened in. It'll be great, right, Yeah. So I woke

920
00:53:53.239 --> 00:53:55.400
up about two thirty in the morning, and I'm laying

921
00:53:55.440 --> 00:53:58.599
there and I've got to go to the bathroom. And

922
00:53:59.119 --> 00:54:01.280
you can't just go from the porch into the house.

923
00:54:01.320 --> 00:54:03.719
You have to go off this porch onto another porch

924
00:54:03.840 --> 00:54:07.360
and then into the house. And the screen door on

925
00:54:07.400 --> 00:54:11.239
this everybody in camp could hear it, and so I

926
00:54:11.239 --> 00:54:13.199
didn't want to wake everybody up. So I'm just laying there,

927
00:54:13.239 --> 00:54:18.920
going ah, and I'm contemplating, you know it, can I

928
00:54:18.960 --> 00:54:22.360
get out and get this door open, and there's a

929
00:54:22.639 --> 00:54:25.840
slap on the end of that cabin that's so loud.

930
00:54:25.880 --> 00:54:29.440
I about jumped out of the cot and I'm like,

931
00:54:29.760 --> 00:54:31.960
what was that. So I'm laying there, you know, thinking

932
00:54:32.039 --> 00:54:36.920
holy crap. And finally my husband starts to move and

933
00:54:38.039 --> 00:54:40.719
I said, okay, you're awake. I'm going to the bathroom now,

934
00:54:40.719 --> 00:54:42.679
and he goes, of course you are, you know, So

935
00:54:42.760 --> 00:54:45.239
I run in, go the bathroom, come back, get back

936
00:54:45.280 --> 00:54:47.719
in my cot. I'm laying there being as quiet as

937
00:54:47.760 --> 00:54:53.239
I can be, and you can hear crunch, crunch, crunch.

938
00:54:53.360 --> 00:54:58.960
They're walking through the pea gravel just outside the screened

939
00:54:59.000 --> 00:55:03.199
in porch, and somebody's like, why didn't you shine a light?

940
00:55:03.280 --> 00:55:04.840
And I said, have you ever shined a light at

941
00:55:04.840 --> 00:55:05.320
a screen?

942
00:55:06.840 --> 00:55:07.119
Right?

943
00:55:07.440 --> 00:55:08.280
You don't get anything?

944
00:55:08.559 --> 00:55:09.559
Yeah? Yeah?

945
00:55:10.480 --> 00:55:15.559
And so and then you could hear almost like movement

946
00:55:15.599 --> 00:55:20.840
against the wooden pillars out there, and my husband says,

947
00:55:21.639 --> 00:55:24.719
are you moving? Is that you I said, no, I'm

948
00:55:24.760 --> 00:55:28.679
not moving, I'm not doing anything. And so we laid there.

949
00:55:29.519 --> 00:55:32.320
This kind of stuff went on for about an hour.

950
00:55:33.239 --> 00:55:37.239
Oh my goodness, you know, and finally he goes, that's it.

951
00:55:37.639 --> 00:55:40.599
He jumps up, pulls his cock closer to mine because

952
00:55:40.599 --> 00:55:43.480
we're about six feet apart at this point. He pulls

953
00:55:43.480 --> 00:55:46.039
it over close to me because I am up against

954
00:55:46.039 --> 00:55:49.800
the cabin. I had a feeling. I'm like, I'm not

955
00:55:49.840 --> 00:55:53.840
putting myself out there. We're you know. And so what

956
00:55:53.880 --> 00:55:56.599
was really funny is he reaches under and pulls the

957
00:55:56.639 --> 00:56:02.320
gun bag out and UNSI and my husband's very calm, cool, collected.

958
00:56:03.000 --> 00:56:06.039
He goes, I am completely creeped out. I feel like

959
00:56:06.119 --> 00:56:11.559
I'm being watched. So I was like, okay. So then

960
00:56:11.599 --> 00:56:15.840
he says, where's Levi. Well, Levi had left and we

961
00:56:15.880 --> 00:56:17.920
are now at like three point thirty in the morning.

962
00:56:18.320 --> 00:56:22.639
He'd gone out to call his girlfriend and just you know,

963
00:56:22.679 --> 00:56:25.559
he was just out doing his own thing, and so

964
00:56:25.639 --> 00:56:28.760
he rolls back into companies. He's out there dinking around,

965
00:56:28.800 --> 00:56:31.559
and I've got a light and I keep shining todd him,

966
00:56:31.559 --> 00:56:36.400
trying to get his attention, and finally he gets out,

967
00:56:36.480 --> 00:56:39.480
and I finally him, Like Levi. He comes running up

968
00:56:39.480 --> 00:56:41.880
there and we're telling what's going on, and he goes,

969
00:56:42.159 --> 00:56:44.280
they did that crap to me last night because he

970
00:56:44.320 --> 00:56:48.480
had slept on that porch that night. But and he's like,

971
00:56:49.320 --> 00:56:52.599
he's like, they harassed me till about daylight.

972
00:56:53.760 --> 00:56:54.440
Oh wow.

973
00:56:54.800 --> 00:56:56.760
Yeah. So he went in and he was in one

974
00:56:56.800 --> 00:56:59.320
of the bedrooms and he comes back out and he goes,

975
00:56:59.320 --> 00:57:00.719
I don't know if I can sleep in there. And

976
00:57:00.719 --> 00:57:03.000
I said, well, what's wrong? He goes, I can hear

977
00:57:03.079 --> 00:57:07.199
them moving against the back part of it. He goes,

978
00:57:07.239 --> 00:57:08.719
I don't know if their hands are on it, or

979
00:57:08.760 --> 00:57:12.400
if they're just you know, their body or what. He said,

980
00:57:12.639 --> 00:57:14.559
I want to open the shade. And he goes, I

981
00:57:14.559 --> 00:57:16.599
don't want to open the shade.

982
00:57:17.440 --> 00:57:19.719
Yeah, no, right, I've never bet. Yeah, I don't know

983
00:57:19.760 --> 00:57:22.840
what I would do either. Yeah, that's yeah.

984
00:57:22.920 --> 00:57:25.760
So they messed with us off and on. You know,

985
00:57:25.800 --> 00:57:27.480
they'd let it go for a while. Then you would

986
00:57:27.519 --> 00:57:30.119
get this just rock that came in that hit the

987
00:57:30.159 --> 00:57:33.519
side or would land on the metal roof, you know.

988
00:57:33.760 --> 00:57:37.519
I mean that went on till till daylight. So yeah,

989
00:57:37.519 --> 00:57:39.679
they were having a good old time throwing rocks at

990
00:57:39.760 --> 00:57:44.960
us and making sure that we knew they were around.

991
00:57:45.760 --> 00:57:47.320
Wow. And that was Missouri.

992
00:57:47.880 --> 00:57:48.840
That was Arkansas.

993
00:57:48.920 --> 00:57:53.159
Oh that was Arkansas again. Okay, gotcha. That is some

994
00:57:53.400 --> 00:57:57.280
wild wild stuff. Mike Gonness, you you have been through

995
00:57:57.400 --> 00:58:02.719
some pretty hair raising things, but it sounds like you

996
00:58:02.880 --> 00:58:05.840
love doing it, Mary Anne, which is great, you know,

997
00:58:05.920 --> 00:58:09.400
and hats off to your husband. He's along there right

998
00:58:09.480 --> 00:58:12.079
with you, so right, oh yeah.

999
00:58:11.880 --> 00:58:14.599
Oh yeah, he's right there, you know. And he'll tell people.

1000
00:58:14.599 --> 00:58:17.920
We always call him the residents skeptic, you know, which

1001
00:58:17.960 --> 00:58:21.199
he still is because he's like, he hasn't seen it,

1002
00:58:21.760 --> 00:58:25.039
but he's like, I've experienced some things I can't explain.

1003
00:58:25.119 --> 00:58:27.800
He goes, there's something out there, he goes, I just

1004
00:58:27.840 --> 00:58:30.760
don't know what it is yet, gotcha.

1005
00:58:30.880 --> 00:58:36.599
Yeah, yeah, absolutely well, Mary, and I appreciate you being

1006
00:58:36.760 --> 00:58:42.159
on the show today and sharing what you've experienced. How

1007
00:58:42.199 --> 00:58:47.159
people can look more into the Ozark Mountain Bigfoot Conference,

1008
00:58:47.840 --> 00:58:50.119
get signed up for that if they would like, and

1009
00:58:51.440 --> 00:58:54.400
different things like that that you're in charge of.

1010
00:58:55.000 --> 00:58:59.199
Absolutely so the Ozarn't Mountain Bigfoot Conference, there probably won't

1011
00:58:59.239 --> 00:59:01.840
be anything really out on it till after the first

1012
00:59:01.920 --> 00:59:04.880
of the year. We do have, you know, the date

1013
00:59:04.960 --> 00:59:08.159
for it, which is October third of twenty twenty six,

1014
00:59:08.280 --> 00:59:11.599
and it will be at the Relics Event Center. People

1015
00:59:11.639 --> 00:59:16.559
can go to Ozart Mountain Bigfoot Conference Facebook page because

1016
00:59:16.599 --> 00:59:19.119
that's where I put a lot of the information. I'll

1017
00:59:19.119 --> 00:59:23.519
announce the speakers there, that kind of stuff, and usually

1018
00:59:23.679 --> 00:59:26.880
tickets will go on sale through event bright for that.

1019
00:59:27.679 --> 00:59:31.519
Now the camp out, the private camp out with that,

1020
00:59:31.519 --> 00:59:34.639
that's always through me. They have to you know, go

1021
00:59:34.760 --> 00:59:38.039
through me before they can do anything with that. We

1022
00:59:38.159 --> 00:59:42.559
kind of have like an interview process with them. And

1023
00:59:42.599 --> 00:59:47.719
then for the BFRO expeditions, if you'll just go to

1024
00:59:47.760 --> 00:59:52.159
BFRO dot net, those should be coming up pretty quick.

1025
00:59:52.239 --> 00:59:54.280
I've got to get the dates in because we're going

1026
00:59:54.360 --> 00:59:57.559
to do probably two in Missouri, one in Arkansas, and

1027
00:59:57.599 --> 01:00:02.000
one in Oklahoma this year. So you know, we'll be

1028
01:00:02.119 --> 01:00:05.599
announcing the dates of those pretty quick. You can find those,

1029
01:00:05.880 --> 01:00:09.039
like I said, on vfroo dot net and sometimes I

1030
01:00:09.079 --> 01:00:12.400
do have those on the Ozart Mountain Bigfoot Conference page.

1031
01:00:12.599 --> 01:00:19.639
Also awesome, awesome, and uh, how can people follow your

1032
01:00:20.000 --> 01:00:22.320
podcast on on YouTube?

1033
01:00:22.519 --> 01:00:25.639
So I've got the podcast it's called Bigfoot while Man

1034
01:00:25.639 --> 01:00:30.519
and Boogers and it is a podcast on the YouTube channel.

1035
01:00:31.159 --> 01:00:34.840
Just go look for that, you know, subscribe to it.

1036
01:00:35.480 --> 01:00:38.480
We talk about a lot of these things that like

1037
01:00:38.519 --> 01:00:40.599
we talked about tonight when we've been out in the

1038
01:00:40.599 --> 01:00:44.559
woods and the things that are going on and and

1039
01:00:44.599 --> 01:00:46.679
we talk a lot about that. You know, we also

1040
01:00:46.719 --> 01:00:51.239
have speakers on just you know, we just sit and

1041
01:00:51.280 --> 01:00:54.519
talk about Bigfoot, the thing that everybody likes to talk about.

1042
01:00:55.599 --> 01:01:03.039
I love it right exactly, exactly good stuff. Well, Mary Anne, Zabelle,

1043
01:01:03.039 --> 01:01:06.599
thank you so much for being on the show. We'll

1044
01:01:06.639 --> 01:01:10.920
definitely have to keep in touch and they see how

1045
01:01:11.039 --> 01:01:14.039
things are going. Weigh you down down the road a bit,

1046
01:01:14.599 --> 01:01:17.320
but it has been fun chatting with you tonight.

1047
01:01:17.920 --> 01:01:19.039
Well, thank you for having me.

1048
01:01:22.760 --> 01:01:25.039
Before we wrap this episode, I want to say something

1049
01:01:25.119 --> 01:01:28.320
directly to a very specific group of listeners. If you're

1050
01:01:28.320 --> 01:01:32.079
in the military, any branch or forces, and if you've

1051
01:01:32.119 --> 01:01:34.960
seen something that no one can explain, or if you're

1052
01:01:35.000 --> 01:01:38.280
a National park ranger or forestry worker who's been told

1053
01:01:38.280 --> 01:01:41.719
to stay quiet, or if you're a pilot who's seen something

1054
01:01:41.800 --> 01:01:44.719
strange down on the ground, or if you're with the

1055
01:01:44.840 --> 01:01:48.719
FBI a federal agency, or working intelligence and you stumbled

1056
01:01:48.800 --> 01:01:51.639
upon something you're not allowed to talk about. And if

1057
01:01:51.639 --> 01:01:55.199
you're a firefighter, paramedic, or search and rescue responder who's

1058
01:01:55.239 --> 01:01:58.840
heard screams or found tracks that didn't make sense, if

1059
01:01:58.880 --> 01:02:02.559
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1060
01:02:02.719 --> 01:02:05.719
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1061
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happen that you've never told a soul. And if you're

1062
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a biologist, a wildlife specialist, or a field researcher under

1063
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1064
01:02:17.039 --> 01:02:19.519
If you're a pastor, a missionary, or someone on a

1065
01:02:19.559 --> 01:02:23.000
spiritual retreat and you saw something that shook your faith,

1066
01:02:23.719 --> 01:02:26.840
or if you work in the shadows CIA, NSA or

1067
01:02:26.880 --> 01:02:30.239
anything with clearance, and you've seen what the public hasn't,

1068
01:02:31.599 --> 01:02:35.039
then I want to talk to you, even if it's anonymous.

1069
01:02:36.840 --> 01:02:40.360
You can reach me at Bigfoot Society at gmail dot com.

1070
01:02:40.800 --> 01:02:43.239
The world needs to hear what you've been forced to

1071
01:02:43.280 --> 01:02:49.079
carry alone, and you're not alone. You've got the story,

1072
01:02:49.599 --> 01:02:53.440
We've got the mic. See you in the woods. Thank

1073
01:02:53.440 --> 01:02:56.320
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1074
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1075
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