30 Bigfoot Stories with Rick Rasmor, Pt. 1

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And they've gone I'm on a day
hike out in the mountains outside of Linked

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Lincoln and UH. As they come
walking across and they're they're coming back to

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their cars, there's a kind of
a big lettering on a high ridge timber.

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They came out of the timber a
couple hundred yards back of the car,

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and as they're approaching their vehicle late
in the afternoon or the evening,

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some people in the in the trailhead
start running at them, point and point

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and pointing. And in this scenario, there had been and they've been been

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that bigfoot sightings activity. And they
turned around and right on the edge of

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the timber, they see this large
dark figure turned walk back in the timber

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on the trail or or in the
vicinity of the trail. I could followed

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him out to the edge of the
timber, and UH and Jeff and his

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family had turned turned and they just
saw this large back black figure turning and

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walking back into the timber. In
this episode of Big for Society, I

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talked to mister Rick Rasmer from the
Great State of Oregon. I've been talking

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to Rick for about a year now
trying to get him on the podcast.

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So he can share his collection of
anecdotal evidence. And I'm happy to say

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that we finally were able to make
it to work. I'm not going to

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spoil the surprises here, but there
are some really cool things that we go

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over in a way I just can't
explain it. But back to the future

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slash force gump vibes. I'll leave
it at that. It gets pretty cool.

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I think if you're a Bigfoot nerd, if you're Bigfoot Society hardcore listener,

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you're going to really like this episode. And one last thing before we

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all right, pick Faciety. We've
got the privilege of talking to a

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gentleman tonight. His name is Rick. He had approached me through Facebook,

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I believe, and he's got some
interesting stories anecdotal evidence from over the years.

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Rick, how's it going. I'll
let you take it from here.

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Doing pretty good, man, Thanks
a lot for having me on. So

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glad we can actually finally get together
because you and I've kind of back and

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forth on this for a number of
months. So it's been a long time

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coming. Yeah, so one thing
or another, so um so anyway yet,

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And not to be overly big,
but I live in Oregon. I've

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lived in in Oregon whole life,
pushing sixty years almost, and it just

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had an interest in this topic for
on Roger Patterson and mister Bob Gimlon put

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a movie out and it's just been
always intrigued with it ever since. So

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you know, Um, And over
the course of that time, as Jeremiah

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and I have spoke, UM,
I don't have any hair raising encounters or

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stories for people. But over the
course of time, I've I've met people,

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I've talked people, I've got a
lot of good friends, and over

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all these years, I just have
a lot of stories that make me more

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of a believer. I haven't seen
one, I know, there's there's there's

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no words and believers out there.
There's no say naystairs. There's people that

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are just don't know. And I
don't know, but I've got a I

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hear enough and have been interested enough
in the topic for well over half a

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century that I said, I've got
some stories are kind of cool to me,

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and I've kept tracking over the years, and I guess, you know,

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it's probably good time to share some
of those. I love it.

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It sounds like you're in I mean
being in Oregon in general, doesn't matter

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where you're at, you're in a
cool area. But it sounds like you're

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in a cool area. So I'm
excited to hear again. How you you

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you've brushed, You've brushed, you
know, paths with people that might be

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known to the big Foot community.
But I'm excited to hear you know what

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you've You've gathered along the years so
well. And and first of all,

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so I'm not a researcher. Um. I spent a lot of time in

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the woods. I hunt and fish, had I my family and I I

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have a lot of trail cameras,
I sit out in the mountains and all

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that. And again, I've I've
got no groundbreaking, earth shattering evidence that's

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be presented tonight. But I've got
a pretty collected a lot of interesting stories

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with a lot of people that there's
a lot of people out there are never

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believer until they became a believer or
an owner. Um. And there's those

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that have chase their entire lives and
never really satisfied their need to know.

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Um. But yeah, we live
rut of the base mount hood. Um.

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I've lived in western Oregon my entire
life. Yeah, Mount St.

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Helens, Mount Adams. I spend
a lot of times up in the uh

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Northeastern Oregons or Paul Freeman, Um, a lot of people. Most people

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know about Paul Freeman as well.
I'm very familiar with that country. And

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I've just got a little bits and
pieces from all these other these areas.

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That's just kind of another pieces the
puzzle, I guess. Um. So

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what I put together is I've got
the number of stories. Again, vast

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majority of anecdotal, but that's that's
all. The vast majority of those are

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second person. These are acquaintances and
or friends of mine that we've just I've

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yeah, we've talked, we've had
stories. So UM, So if you

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don't mind, I'll start off I've
kind of segregated this region by region and

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then um and then uh, you
know, I said, I'll just kind

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of start that way. I start
with the kind of miscellaneous and I'll kind

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of focused on a couple of different
regions, uh that Northeast Oregon area obviously,

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the Pacific or the Mount Hood Cascade
Range and um up into Mount hesse

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Hounds and Washington as well. So
um, so uh yeah, I'll start

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with kind of going chronologically as well
some of the couple of miscellaneous ones.

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Um, a good friend of my
little brother, and again we're back.

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This is probably back in the eighties. But and he told me the story

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of years ago as well. But
they were up in Montana, Lincoln,

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Montana, if anyone knows, kind
of a west central Montana. And there

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was a lot of a lot of
reports of stories and sightings of Bigfoot back

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there in Lincoln, Montana back in
the mid eighties. So when I heard

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this story from my brother's friend,
Jeff as shoot is probably from the late

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eighties, early nineties. And big
Foot to me, back then, you

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didn't hear about Montana. You heard
about Oregon, Washington, California, Canada.

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He didn't hear much about the Midwest, Texas, Oklahoma, wherever.

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But my brother's friend Jeff, I
remember him telling us one day after they'd

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gone back to Montana, I think, to see some family friends from the

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Sun or sun or vacation whatever outside
of school. And we started talking and

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he knew we kind of had interest
in the big Foot and they'd done I'm

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on a day hike out in the
mountains outside of Lincoln and as it come

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walking across again and some of these
things I've kind of paint the vision I

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have from the interpretation I have of
the stories that I heard these people of

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the years, and what's probably in
the details he gave me, and then

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the way I picture it. And
they're they're coming back to their car.

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There's a kind of a big clearing
on a high ridge timber. They came

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out of the timber a couple hundred
yards back to the car, and as

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they're approaching their vehicle late in the
afternoon or ly evening, some people in

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the in the trailhead start running at
them, point and point and pointing.

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And in this scenario, there had
been they've been been that Bigfoot sightings activity.

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And they turned around and right on
the edge of the timber. They

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see this large dark figure turned walked
back in the timber on the trail,

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or or in the vicinity of the
trail, like it followed him out to

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the edge of the timber. And
uh, and my and Jeff and his

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family had turned turned and they just
saw this large back black figure turning and

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walking back in the timber. So
um, and really that's just kind of

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That's how a lot of my story
is going to be. It's gonna be

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stuff like that. But again,
there's there's several of them. So well,

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this is great because I have listeners
from all over and people are gonna

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be, oh, my goodness,
Lincoln, Montana. Yeah, yeah,

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I've seen one in Lincoln, Montana. You know. Yeah, Well,

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then great, and ultimately that might
be you know, how this all comes

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together because I'll get into something actually, just a couple more down the line

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here Yellowstone National Park on the east
side of Yellowstone, Cody, Wyoming.

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There's a there's a number of reported
sightings of stories come out of there.

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Um Idaho. Same thing. I've
the Ballman incident, which goes back way

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back, and Teddy Roosevelt talked about
that. Um. But again, it's

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when I was grown up in younger, it was it was Oregon, Washington,

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California, and then we get up
in Canada as well. So and

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as we see now it's that's a
I don't if you want to call it

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refers and on or not. But
it's not just Oregon, Washington, California

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and in Canada. So so um
again, just since these are not so

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much specifically regional, I've just got
a couple of miscellanea stores, so that

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that's the one Lincoln, Montana and
back in there early to May eighties,

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probably Um, a good friend of
mine. I'll have a couple of references

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to him. Uh a it outdoors
when um he's a non believer and we'll

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get to want his stories a little
bit later, more local. But a

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good friend of his that I've got
to meet over the years. Again,

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a very simple story. But he
was down and I'm kind of reading as

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some nooses would go here, but
uh, down along the Ordon Coast Celetts

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River. Ordon Coast has a good
history too. You don't hear a lot

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about it. Um, they're they're
driving along, driving the road down the

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Celetts River. Um. And this
is probably back in the early seventies now

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and just a tall black figure crosses
the road in front of them. Us

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as a lot of sightings are you're
driving at night and all of a sudden,

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bam, bam bam, two or
three steps and that's that's the experience

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you have that the vast majority of
the people in this country will never have

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or in this world for that one. So um so acrossing of the the

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highway heading done the Celetts middle of
the night. They're not middle night,

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but probably and U, I said, it's that's all. That's all I

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have on the story. But yeah, it's just the acquaintance of a friend

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that had saw something that can you
explain it? Can you not? Whatever?

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And then uh, finally of my
miss Laney stories this has to do

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is Yellowstone as well. Probably about
ten years ago we used to go my

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family and I used to go to
Yellowstone, my wife and our kids,

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and even prior to kids, we
used to go to Yellerstone quite a bit

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to once or twice a year.
And um, again, having heard some

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of these stories, specially on the
eastern boundary of Yellowstone, is actually some

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photos from the from around Old Faithful. If anyone's seen those from a couple

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of years ago in the snow,
possibly some big Foot's walking amongst some bison

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and buffalo on the trail system out
I'm old faithful in midwinter. But this

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is on the on the east and
northeast end of Yellowstone. I just saw

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some some very large impressions in the
snow as we're driving through in two or

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three feet of snow in an area
that typically deer and elk are not going

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to be that time of year,
and we slowed down and I took a

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look at him. I didn't hop
out, but it was just interesting because

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that section of eastern Yellowstone getting into
Western Wyoming on the back side of it

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has over the last number of years, I've I've seen heard and read several

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stories of sidings and cameras whatever.
So I just saw big impressions. I

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just big impressions in what to me
would be need a thigh deep snow crossing

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the road. So you personally did
yourself, Wow, Okay, how how

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far apart were those significant enough?
So you see these photos from time to

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time in the snow Alberta, canadaby
c wherever, and and deer in deeper

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snow will hop and post hole balance, and I didn't get out and looked

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in those holes shirts that see exactly
what it was. Um, you're you're

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you're in the Rocky Mountains, You're
in an area that's that's getting pretty dank,

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cold and in the fast. Majority
of wildlife migrate out of those higher

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elevations. And this is probably February
is or so, probably near this peak

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snowpack, and just it just to
see the impressions there are just big oval

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type of impressions and snow a relatively
at three to full of foot ish type

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of um distance. By that being
said also, I mean it's something is

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stepping that you would expect maybe some
toad rag dragons of snow, and we

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didn't. We just slowed down.
We went past those area that area,

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once turned around, came back and
I just uh to specifically look at those

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impressions in the snow. It could
have been a deer. They should not

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have been deer up there, not
to say there wasn't um most like,

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they not up They don't typically hop
like that, especially in snow environments,

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so they'll file their way through.
There's biason up there, there's moose,

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but same thing. They're big,
strong, animals if they're living up in

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that there there's plowing a trail through
that. Oh yeah, definitely they're not.

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They're not hopping or postal on um
stov stotting or something like that.

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So again, it was just it
was just an observation driving to Yellowon Park

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in an area that there there is
recent history of experiences. Again, act

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a little. What it was.
I I didn't get out and look specifically

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as it a five track, five
tube, eighteen inch track and this riot.

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It was just like it was probably
sub zero and you're like, I'll

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stay in the car. Yeah exactly, And and I've I've kicked myself in

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the butt ever since, and I
should have got out at least stick my

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nose in one of those suits.
Looks like right, and you never know,

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right, And that's It's a lot
of people probably the same thing.

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You see some of these videos online. And why didn't they why they stopped

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film and why didn't they chase it
or pursue it. They didn't go look

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at tracks. Well, I didn't
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made those I just stills impressions of
nones in and autie um. So that

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being said, those are more my
miscellaneous, but I'll start focusing a little

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more on some of the more regional
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Western Already in western Washington, one
of those uh Mount St. Helens,

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Mount Saint Helen's mad out. I'm
Roger Patterson lived in Yakimal, which

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is right in that same region,
and that's doesn't really make a whole lot

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of difference. I guess he did
like research the U so along the Columbia

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River. And I don't know how
many livist listeners you have here and how

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many wild see this later. I
don't know how many live in the Pacific

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Northwest, how many you are familiar
with what all goes on out here.

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Some will probably know more than others, And I don't know it all by

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anything. Along the Columbia River there
was a local little newspaper. This probably

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would have been late sixties, and
uh, and my grandparents lived up there

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in a little town or a little
outs out in the country. Outside of

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the little community was Washington and uh
my dad had gone to high school up

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there and all that, And I
remember the little local paper one day had

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a sketch drawing of one of the
local guys who coincidentally, my dad got

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to school. What it said.
He's always kind of a cookie dude.

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But um, He's driving up the
highway on the Washington side of the Columbia

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River, which is the Columbia River
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And in the fog in front of
him he sees something lane across the

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road, thought as a tree and
as he approaches it, so this is

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this is the Skimmannity County, WI. Scimmunity County has a has a law

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that is illegal killed a saucequatch.
And this is something I kept from around

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the sixties or early seventies as a
communite county ordinance or whatever. It's illegal

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to kill sausquatch and community County Washington
m So along the highway along the Columbia

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River. And then guy my dad
and down to school with and send Pete

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wrote it up in the paper.
He'd drive along he sees something looks like

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a tree land across the two lane
remote little highway in the dark, and

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as he in the fog and as
he approaches, the thing continues to walk

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across the road. So so the
paper comes out. They have a little

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sketch mighty Head's huse and my dad
gees and I know that guy. He's

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kind of a beautfy dude in high
school. But as a result of that,

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and there's been a number of sidings
along that section of them. Remember

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the highway sixteen or something, I
can't read the highway number on that side

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of the Columbia. There's been a
number of sidings in the Columbia River Gorge

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on that highways as well as across
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large river on the Organ side.
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And there's been sightings on both sides
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and freeways over decades. So but
at that location, where in the narrow

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that location where my dad's old high
school buddy seeing this preacher, someone made

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a big plywood cut out. And
so again we're talking. This is probably

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right around late sixties, nineteen seventy
issue. And I've looked before. My

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dad took a photo of it.
Yeah, I think he used to make

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the slides out of these. I
looked several years ago. But they made

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this big old cutout right at that
crossing. So on that highway in the

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Washington side, there's this eight foot
plywood cut out of a big foot and

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it was it was there for several
years. It was really cool. I

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wish I could find the picture because
Dad wanted to take a picture of me

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one day next shot, I scared
to death guilt next to that thing and

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give my picture taken next to this
big foot gut out. But I just

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remembers just this big kind of rudimentary
kind of painted up plywood cut out silhouette

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or bigfoot was sided and cross the
highway on Highway sixteen, Highway eighteen on

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the Washman side. So so that's
uh, so that's going back to you

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know, just a little bit of
that history again is just kind of a

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neat little thing. So um.
But right around that time, my my

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uh father and I went up to
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That's also there's a wilderness sary idea
called the Indian Heaven Wilderness, big time

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Huckleberry piking again, a huh bigfoot
history from over the years. Uh,

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over the years. I'm talking over
a couple of generations. So um,

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right around as I'm looking, my
day's right around in June at nineteen seventy

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one. Uh, my dad and
I we were driving around. We just

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he had a he had an old
a Ford Bronco. I was just we'd

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taken out the mountains all the time, and he used to run around that

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country quite a bit. And you
know, he grew up there hunting and

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fish and just chasing around, just
you know, getting in trouble. And

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this it's one of the more significant
in my early stages of the interests and

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big Foot. Remember we went up
on an old logging road on a north

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slope and we came up to the
kind of the uh, the top of

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the clear cut. It's all north
slope and there's snow on the grounds.

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And that's why it was. It
was early enough of the year that we

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could access all the roads to get
up there. But um, but it

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was also i mean just late enough
the year we could do that because the

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roads are melted out. But it
was early enough in the year. There's

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still a big snow bank on that
north slope with this u this ridge or

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mountain we were on and we parked
the jeep or the broncho and as we

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get out and I'm young, I'm
seven as years old, or something like

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that, six seven eight, and
we get out and they're there are these

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impressions all up and down this slope
and I guess, going from recollection is

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two hundred yards long, maybe three
hundred just open slope had been logged and

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the snow was probably anywhere from inches
deep to maybe a foot or two,

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where there's these huge impressions that went
down and up like three or four times

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up and down this slope. It
wasn't people. They were melted out,

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and my dad's reminded as well,
but it was just the location the size

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of these melted out impressions in the
snow. They were very consistent. I

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don't remember this dried length or whatever. Um. And again you talked about

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deer earlier and they're post holing and
jumping. A deer didn't jump all the

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way down the hill and jump back
up and jump back down that hill three

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or four or five times. And
these impressions of tracks, which again makes

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doesn't make any sense to this day
on what made him and why. But

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they just went up and down this
big north slope snow bake three or four

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or five times like all of it. Um, It was just it was

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weird. It was just they were
big, big, melted out impressions in

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the snow. Someone didn't walk up
and down that thing. And if it

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was a big foot, why he
walked up and down that thing? Who

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knows. Um, it's just something
that's always really stuck in my mind.

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So what does that do to tier
thinking in that moment when you like where

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you you freaked out or really like
trying to have no idea what's going on?

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So that and great question. Um
so when I was younger in that

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age at six seven eight and gett
Roger Patterson and get one that that film

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coming out in sixty seven sixty year
when it was because they failed and ran

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and all over the place. Um, I was terrified of the woods,

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and I was I spenci. I
love gunning the outdoors from camping with my

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dad. So um it didn't help. I had a tough time whenever we

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went out. We had a little
a little tent trailer occasion, we had

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ten camp whatever. Um I just
and I was, I had a tough

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times camping in the woods. Um
the daylight, I was fine. Whenever

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started getting dark. I just I
didn't said tough time sleeping. So so

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that experienced there. Again, that's
the only thing I could think of.

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It was a big foot. So
my dad's one of those naysayers, and

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to this day, you know,
he's and I'll get into some stories here

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all a little bit later, some
of the years that are like the Freeman

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location, all that was a lot
of time in lag country. My dad

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has never seen or expariss anything to
even give him an inkling of belief.

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Um So even with those tracks,
and we've talked about those in the past,

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he's, you know, he he
he doesn't know what the heck they

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were. Obviously he at that point
he was in his mid thirties or whatever.

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But now I was. I can't
say I got any more scared,

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but I just kind of confirmed a
little more that I can't sleep and out

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when I'm Captain of the woods.
It's just kind of what that came to

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you, right, Yeah, it's
like a long time to get over that.

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I'm bad man. That's funny.
Yeah, So it's it's it's it's

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a definitive note by any means,
but anyway, it was just it's another

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one of those little memories of personal
experience. I just random and there.

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To this day, I really couldn't
can't explain now how big the snow field

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was. Again, I know it
would have been right around in June at

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twenty of that of that year of
again round necess eventy one. So just

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because of the snow commissions and all
that, Um that makes a list sense

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to me. What made tracks up
and down that hill three or four times?

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Yeah? None, at this point
we'll never know, but um,

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something's made more sense than others.
Um. So up in that same country.

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Um so my step brother Brian he
uh, my my parents divorce realized

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three Dad got remarried a couple years
later, and so my step brother Brian.

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Uh, they had some I can't
remember why, but they had some

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family I think a relations up in
the Yakima area, which same that Mount

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say Helens, Mount Adams and Yakimoles
with Roger Pattison about being them both lived.

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Bob stilled it. So somewhere right
around the early seventies. Um,

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there's a pass when you're coming from
Oregon and having a cross go cross country,

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you go through a big Indian respiration
over this It's called Sada's Pass,

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and it's not real high, it's
thirty five feet whatever and dropped down the

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backside to the reservation. You hit
a couple of communities to get to Yakima.

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So uh. And again this is
just from him. They're driving back

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in the dark. Here's with his
father. So this is after mom and

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his mother and his father had separated. The course, I think his mom

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and my dad might have been remarried
by then. But they're coming back through

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that area at night, and I'm
just looking at my notes, kind of

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refreshed my memory on it. Late
at night, driving back from Yakhim out

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of Portland in that status past area
and something large across the road in front

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of two lakes. Wow. And
once again, these these are areas that

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aren't random. These are all areas
that have a history and that and that's

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all it was. And the dark, young kids with their father and something

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something on two lakes across lakes,
cross the road in the dark in front

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of them, And that's about all
I got on that one. The kind

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of beast thing about these stories,
like stories like this, is that the

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people in these stories have nothing to
gain by sharing these stories, Like they're

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not going to become famous or get
tons of money, Like they're just sharing.

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Hey, this happened to me,
and like, there's thousands of these.

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Yeah, it's it's crazy. Yeah. And I'll even get a couple

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of those here. I've got twin
brothers that are really good friends. But

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one can't tell the story to the
other because the other one laugh at him.

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But we'll get to that in a
bit. So these are then these

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are best my best friends. So
um but yeah, and that's it.

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That's these stories have been shared with
me just over the course of time,

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and most of them have never been
shared beyond me. Um, and that

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is just because they're experience, is
that most of them really had spent more.

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They've spent no more time you've been
thinking about them. So this kind

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of added randomly. Um. So
uh. I moving forward, I'm up

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in that same Mount Saint Helens Mount
Adams country, So another one. No

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again, I keep mentioned Mount Saint
Helens Man Adams. That's kind of the

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reachion I'm working on here. But
um, my grandpa grew up in working

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the coal mines in Pennsylvania back when
he was younger, moved out here,

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he got married to my grandma.
Start of their family, my dad and

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then his sister and my aunt.
But my my Grandpa just he he loved

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hunting and fishing. And I'm talking
to your soccer and now probably the forties,

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fifties, sixties, and um,
there's a whole different world out here

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back then as it was it you
know, entire country, in the entire

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world. So uh. But Grapapeat
loved to get that in the outdoors.

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And I remember him telling me a
story once and he did this, he

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had we've he and I never talked
big foot, sauce, watch, whatever,

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but he has told me a story. It's a little interesting, and

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he's hunting from that same country.
Um, this was back in the early

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days, just like Bluff Creek in
California when that road is finally being encroached

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on, taking the bulldozers in building
roads, logging whatever. And I,

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um, I've heard things about like
this, the different pitch One National Forest

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for him in St. Helens that
there was a pamphlet put out and this

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kind of relates. But pamphlet put
out two employees back in the fifty sixties.

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If you ever encounter anything you can't
explain, do not share it with

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anyone. Something along those lines,
because this is uh, this these are

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forests and mountains that were just starting
to be again encroached on so um,

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not a lot of people, not
a lot of roads, and a lot

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of access and logging just starting to
happen. So and they've been for trappers

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one hundred years prior too. But
so my grandpa's out hunting somewhere up in

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that country. Um, whether it's
deer or elk, I don't know,

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most likely yell and he the story
told and he shall miss story thirty forty

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years ago. But he's hunting.
And there's a that's heavy timber, very

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heavily thick forested out here in this
in this part of the west. And

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uh, he sees a bear and
we have a we have a bunch of

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bears. I here a ton of
black bears, one hundred tens of thousand,

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one hundreds of thousands. Sees a
black bear. There's a little stream

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crossing with a log on it.
He's watching this bear and he's gonna shoot

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it. I'm kind of surprised because
back in that day they shot all us

404
00:26:51.880 --> 00:26:56.039
anything they could and as the bears, and I don't know what the distance

405
00:26:56.079 --> 00:26:57.079
was, and he was fifty yards, if he was two hundred yards,

406
00:26:57.079 --> 00:27:00.079
its heavy enough timber in that country
probably wasn't. It wasn't. Half a

407
00:27:00.119 --> 00:27:04.359
mile out is reasonably somewhat within the
range of clothes. So as he's watching

408
00:27:04.359 --> 00:27:08.680
this bear, and if I recall
correct them and Grandpa had an old thirty

409
00:27:08.720 --> 00:27:12.039
thirty that did not have a scope
on it matrification, he's just shoot an

410
00:27:12.039 --> 00:27:15.200
iron sight. So he's just looking
at it ey'd eye. So this bear

411
00:27:15.240 --> 00:27:18.519
approaches this log, stands up on
its hind legs and walked across the log

412
00:27:18.839 --> 00:27:26.440
to go across the streak. And
uh then after that, I had whatever

413
00:27:26.559 --> 00:27:29.400
dropped to all fours whatever. But
um, you know that's been thrown out

414
00:27:29.440 --> 00:27:30.920
there for years. Oh you saw
a bear or whatever walking on shige legs.

415
00:27:30.920 --> 00:27:34.160
Well, the bears don't tend to
hunt walking hind legs. And if

416
00:27:34.160 --> 00:27:37.319
the bears approaching the log, he
saw on his all fours walking across.

417
00:27:37.359 --> 00:27:41.119
But that's just one story that always
stuck with me. Like grampaup Pete told

418
00:27:41.160 --> 00:27:44.400
him told me years ago, I
think he wasn't thrown out there. I

419
00:27:44.440 --> 00:27:45.599
think he had a big foot siding. He just saying it was kind of

420
00:27:45.640 --> 00:27:48.200
a weird thing. He saw bears
walk into the woods. He's looking at

421
00:27:48.240 --> 00:27:52.200
a thing of shooting another thing stands
up on its highd legs and uh.

422
00:27:52.200 --> 00:27:56.240
And you hear stories of a big
foot on all fours, typically more in

423
00:27:56.319 --> 00:27:59.640
a scurrying type of a man or
whatever. It's just it's just another story,

424
00:28:00.160 --> 00:28:03.279
one of all these stories of Yeah, it's just some for the for

425
00:28:03.319 --> 00:28:07.200
the notes and for the record book. That's And again he made no references.

426
00:28:07.519 --> 00:28:11.960
He was from. He's at old
school and worked in the woods a

427
00:28:11.960 --> 00:28:14.799
lot growing up. I like working
the mines back in the coal mines and

428
00:28:14.839 --> 00:28:17.039
all that comes out here, and
worked for the county part and spent a

429
00:28:17.079 --> 00:28:18.119
lot of time in the woods.
He didn't say anything it might have been

430
00:28:18.119 --> 00:28:21.559
a big foot. He just told
me a story about it bear that stood

431
00:28:21.599 --> 00:28:23.799
on his sign links I across a
log across the creeks. Really weird.

432
00:28:25.200 --> 00:28:27.519
Yeah, and so that's why I
threw it Aftercally makes no sense to me

433
00:28:27.559 --> 00:28:30.559
either. But what in the world? And he didn't make it up?

434
00:28:33.160 --> 00:28:36.240
Yeah? Why, I mean,
there's no reason he would he would make

435
00:28:36.279 --> 00:28:40.160
that up, like right, So
it was just a random story he told

436
00:28:40.200 --> 00:28:42.599
And what the what the what even
got him onto that topic? And again

437
00:28:42.599 --> 00:28:45.240
this is going back. He's passed
away a number of years ago now and

438
00:28:45.279 --> 00:28:49.680
whatever whatever he brought that subject up, I don't even recall, but that

439
00:28:49.799 --> 00:28:55.160
was what he had for me.
So and again up in that same area.

440
00:28:55.480 --> 00:29:00.440
Um, just going back shoot forty
five years from you on now and

441
00:29:00.720 --> 00:29:03.359
this is this could have been a
bear or whatever, but there was a

442
00:29:03.359 --> 00:29:06.400
group of lakes up there for long. There's actually a bunch of la drill

443
00:29:06.440 --> 00:29:08.839
popular camping and fishing. Again,
this Indian Heaven Country was just between Mount

444
00:29:08.839 --> 00:29:12.480
Saint Helens and Mountain Adams neat beautiful
country, a lot of volcanic history and

445
00:29:12.519 --> 00:29:17.960
all that. We're up there one
evening, my dad, my stepmother,

446
00:29:18.119 --> 00:29:22.519
my step brother, and sister and
I get up kind of on a log

447
00:29:22.640 --> 00:29:25.359
landing another kind of an older clear
cut and I heard a moan in the

448
00:29:25.400 --> 00:29:32.640
distance. And now I've heard a
lot of bear's moan and they're pretty vocal

449
00:29:32.720 --> 00:29:34.000
sometimes as well. And this could
have very well been a black bear.

450
00:29:34.079 --> 00:29:40.319
But I'm again We're up in some
of the more active, I guess or

451
00:29:40.480 --> 00:29:45.039
historically active big Foot areas. And
I went running back my dad because I

452
00:29:45.079 --> 00:29:48.200
kind of walked away from where we
parked at the end of this trail or

453
00:29:48.240 --> 00:29:49.079
at the end of this road and
kind of got out of the edge of

454
00:29:49.079 --> 00:29:52.240
this log landing. It was it
was late in the evening, it was

455
00:29:52.240 --> 00:29:56.160
probably the last half hour daylight.
And again this is again, this is

456
00:29:56.200 --> 00:29:57.319
an experience of mind, very active
it all. I have no idea it

457
00:29:57.359 --> 00:30:00.400
could what it was. It wasn't
a there are those, no movies.

458
00:30:00.440 --> 00:30:03.960
Wasn't an elk or nothing. It's
just a moan. And I was a

459
00:30:03.960 --> 00:30:07.000
young kid back then again very scared
a big foot, very into big foot.

460
00:30:07.839 --> 00:30:11.079
We heard this, just this moan
off in the distance, just kind

461
00:30:11.119 --> 00:30:15.119
of a ballowing, echoing moan,
and go running back my dad about fifty

462
00:30:15.160 --> 00:30:18.160
yards away, and do you hear
that? Then we heard it once again.

463
00:30:18.799 --> 00:30:22.880
Um so again as I put together
my my notes so to speak,

464
00:30:22.920 --> 00:30:26.279
of stories and experiences and whatever,
this one I just added to. It's

465
00:30:26.319 --> 00:30:30.279
just again, that was a long
time ago. I had not been I

466
00:30:30.319 --> 00:30:34.799
wasn't so wilderness an outdoor savvy back
then. But it was just a moan

467
00:30:34.880 --> 00:30:38.079
to this day, and no one
what bear sounds like when they're making they

468
00:30:38.079 --> 00:30:41.920
make some of their mating moans,
and so they make a lot of calls.

469
00:30:41.000 --> 00:30:44.960
The only thing I could have think
it was outside of anything else.

470
00:30:45.000 --> 00:30:48.920
It could have been a bear moaning
in the evening. It's just communication whatever.

471
00:30:48.559 --> 00:30:52.680
Um. But the sound I remember
hearing it wasn't it was a wow.

472
00:30:52.160 --> 00:30:56.599
It echoed enough because it was a
distance away. Wasn't a screamed by

473
00:30:56.599 --> 00:31:02.160
any mean, It's just a moan
earthwise and uh, you know the hill

474
00:31:02.240 --> 00:31:03.440
and what it was. Again,
it could have very easily been a bear.

475
00:31:03.640 --> 00:31:07.880
That again my recollection, that doesn't. I don't remember it sounding like

476
00:31:07.960 --> 00:31:11.240
when I typically have heard from bears
in the forest and the noise that made

477
00:31:11.240 --> 00:31:14.920
over the ears. But again that's
all I've got on that. I can't

478
00:31:14.920 --> 00:31:17.599
tell you one way or the other
one actually heard wasn't a person, It

479
00:31:17.680 --> 00:31:21.759
wasn't an elker, dear anything else. But yeah, yeah, so I'm

480
00:31:21.799 --> 00:31:26.319
not guaranteed aren't thingum, So that
being said, UM. A little north

481
00:31:26.359 --> 00:31:30.799
of that the Cascade Mountain Range,
which runs from British Columbia, Canada,

482
00:31:30.240 --> 00:31:34.240
down through Oregon and then it does
kind of become the Sierra of bad As

483
00:31:34.160 --> 00:31:38.440
as you get into California. The
Cascades have a lot of history up and

484
00:31:38.480 --> 00:31:41.160
down them, and there a rugged
mountain range for the most part. A

485
00:31:41.160 --> 00:31:45.200
lot of volcanoes are on an edge
of a talk tectonic plate. Um.

486
00:31:45.279 --> 00:31:48.440
Some friends of ours, well and
Julie, I'll call them, which is

487
00:31:48.480 --> 00:31:55.319
that that isn't a name. Uh
yeah, so okay Um. And that's

488
00:31:55.359 --> 00:31:56.799
as far as I go there,
And it doesn't matter right, And this

489
00:31:56.960 --> 00:32:00.000
is a random thing too. Someone
asked, going back just a couple of

490
00:32:00.079 --> 00:32:04.039
years ago, made four five,
say years ago? Someone says you need

491
00:32:04.039 --> 00:32:08.240
to talk about to Will about their
experience. And it's not like I go

492
00:32:08.279 --> 00:32:14.359
out there trolling for information from friends
and acquaintances or my wife and I and

493
00:32:14.880 --> 00:32:15.960
a lot of friends and family or
social get out about it. But I

494
00:32:16.039 --> 00:32:21.680
got to talk to Will. So
next time we saw willum in his and

495
00:32:21.759 --> 00:32:27.200
Julie's early days. And I don't
have a specific time. I would say

496
00:32:27.200 --> 00:32:30.759
this is probably in the nineties roughly. Um, they were up in the

497
00:32:31.279 --> 00:32:35.559
I can't remember exactly what past.
You have a couple of major passes in

498
00:32:35.640 --> 00:32:39.119
Washington go from the Seattle to Coma
area over to Yakama heading to spill Cam

499
00:32:39.200 --> 00:32:42.519
and all that. I think it'll
snow called me pass. But I can't

500
00:32:42.519 --> 00:32:45.640
be a one hundred percent shirt um. But they had a truck at a

501
00:32:45.680 --> 00:32:51.000
Camper and pulled over at this past
one night and again up in this country

502
00:32:51.240 --> 00:32:57.480
that even recently there's a lot of
activity. Um, So they're in the

503
00:32:57.559 --> 00:33:05.519
camper um and there's a little gap
between the the truck um and the camper

504
00:33:05.759 --> 00:33:08.400
and again how much it could have
been a couple inches whatever. In the

505
00:33:08.400 --> 00:33:14.960
middle of the night, there's something
reaching between their camper in the cab of

506
00:33:14.960 --> 00:33:19.720
the truck. Pickup's rummaging around in
there, and they can tell by how

507
00:33:19.880 --> 00:33:22.920
far as reaching it is, reaching
in a long, long ways between the

508
00:33:23.279 --> 00:33:28.720
cab of the pickup and the camper, and and woke them both up and

509
00:33:28.759 --> 00:33:30.039
then want what the heck? Who's
strewn around all of this? But it

510
00:33:30.079 --> 00:33:35.240
was it was just kind of ominous
and ear enough form that they just kind

511
00:33:35.240 --> 00:33:37.839
of held tight. Again, I'm
kind of filling in the blanks here.

512
00:33:37.839 --> 00:33:40.000
I can't recall it all the exact
details. So um in the in the

513
00:33:40.039 --> 00:33:45.200
morning, Will goes out there and
he finds um long red hairs and he

514
00:33:45.240 --> 00:33:50.240
said they're long and they stalk,
and he's he's told me he feel I've

515
00:33:50.240 --> 00:33:52.559
got them in an envelope somewhere.
I don't remember where they're at, and

516
00:33:52.799 --> 00:33:54.519
I want to go find I gotta
go dig him out sometime, but just

517
00:33:54.680 --> 00:34:00.839
long red hair, something digging in
there between the camper and the the cab

518
00:34:00.880 --> 00:34:04.759
of the truck and long hair red
stinky red hairs as a result of it.

519
00:34:04.839 --> 00:34:07.159
So, but that being said,
just that story alone made him a

520
00:34:07.159 --> 00:34:13.719
believer. And um, I didn't
talk with his wife Juliet time they're together,

521
00:34:13.800 --> 00:34:15.079
Not that that matters, but anyway, just another one of those little

522
00:34:15.079 --> 00:34:17.119
story things. It's just kind of
randomly, Hey, you gotta talk to

523
00:34:17.119 --> 00:34:21.800
Will about it. This story,
man, that's a story. And all

524
00:34:21.800 --> 00:34:25.920
of a sudden he's he's a believer
in Bigfoot. So that one is really

525
00:34:25.960 --> 00:34:34.119
interesting. Um Man, you said
he he held on to him or yeah,

526
00:34:34.119 --> 00:34:36.719
he's he's got hairs about him and
it envel upe somewhere. I had

527
00:34:36.719 --> 00:34:38.000
this conversation with him as a couple
of years ago. Now I went four

528
00:34:38.039 --> 00:34:40.840
or five, six years ago.
I can't recall. Um, and we're

529
00:34:40.880 --> 00:34:44.519
and we're we're friends of acquaintances.
Is not like we hang out, buddy,

530
00:34:44.519 --> 00:34:49.360
buddy. I haven't seen her talking
him. Um, but I had

531
00:34:49.400 --> 00:34:52.000
told him I go find that HNG
envelope. But whether or not, and

532
00:34:52.039 --> 00:34:55.039
he's, yeah, he's got his
trials and tribulations of life, just like

533
00:34:55.079 --> 00:34:59.199
all of us, I guess.
So it's probably it's just again one of

534
00:34:59.239 --> 00:35:02.159
those people that probably I had just
that one particular experience in encounter and I'll

535
00:35:02.199 --> 00:35:07.920
never forget it but move on the
f life as well. But if Will

536
00:35:07.039 --> 00:35:10.400
does happen to find the envelope with
the hairlot, there is a rock and

537
00:35:10.519 --> 00:35:15.400
bigfoot DNA study that's happening down in
the North Carolina state. Really I believe

538
00:35:15.440 --> 00:35:20.000
it's North Carolina state. Uh,
and they are taking all sorts of evidence.

539
00:35:20.199 --> 00:35:24.079
Uh. It was announced today a
smoky friend, well all message,

540
00:35:24.119 --> 00:35:29.760
Yeah that's interesting. That's hey,
hey willite can across that up envelope,

541
00:35:29.760 --> 00:35:34.880
But yeah, I'm kind of curious
as well's yeah yeah. Um So anyway,

542
00:35:34.920 --> 00:35:36.960
like I said, that's uh,
that's the extent of that story.

543
00:35:36.960 --> 00:35:42.239
But still it's intriguing again moving on. Um So I mentioned earlier my step

544
00:35:42.239 --> 00:35:46.239
brother Brian um who had one him
and his bad and I think the sister

545
00:35:46.400 --> 00:35:51.639
with something across the road at between
Yachmon Portland years ago whatever. But his

546
00:35:51.840 --> 00:35:54.519
uh, his older son and and
I forgot about this one, but and

547
00:35:54.599 --> 00:35:58.559
he just threw this aut me randomly
several years ago as well. But he's

548
00:35:58.559 --> 00:36:02.920
his friends parents. I think they
hit one with their car, and I

549
00:36:02.920 --> 00:36:06.639
don't exactly what or where or whatever. I don't know. And again it's

550
00:36:06.679 --> 00:36:10.760
just a random conversation my nephew and
I had several years ago, but it

551
00:36:10.880 --> 00:36:14.440
is. And they live up in
the uh they're all up in this kind

552
00:36:14.480 --> 00:36:17.800
of the Seattle metropolitan area for the
most part. But um, my friends

553
00:36:19.079 --> 00:36:22.639
parents think they hit one of the
car ones. That's kind of that's like

554
00:36:22.000 --> 00:36:28.440
a huge statement to the core out
like I need I would love to try

555
00:36:28.480 --> 00:36:31.960
to talk to him, like that's
wild and and who and whose friend?

556
00:36:32.039 --> 00:36:35.760
How much I question wanted It's not
like I'm trying to get all right,

557
00:36:36.039 --> 00:36:38.960
and I got to go there tomorrow, and yeah, review the location.

558
00:36:39.000 --> 00:36:42.760
Even I was twenty five years old
or whatever, you know, it's I

559
00:36:42.760 --> 00:36:45.480
can't remember. I don't even I
really honestly, I don't even remember that

560
00:36:45.480 --> 00:36:47.760
conversation outside of I've just kept these
notes over the years, and all of

561
00:36:47.760 --> 00:36:51.800
a sudden, Matt came up.
So that topic. So, um,

562
00:36:52.400 --> 00:36:54.360
who the friend was, where it
happened, how long ago it happened,

563
00:36:54.400 --> 00:36:58.039
I don't know. I mean,
after all this, after we have this

564
00:36:58.239 --> 00:37:00.480
uh follow up with any any details
you want me to try and gather at

565
00:37:00.519 --> 00:37:02.800
glean for you. I'll do what
I can. Can't guarantee it on a

566
00:37:02.920 --> 00:37:07.880
thing, but you know, who
knows. Maybe maybe i'd get all the

567
00:37:07.920 --> 00:37:12.880
Creton's buddies, friends or parents and
you can't up with them. That's I

568
00:37:13.039 --> 00:37:15.519
feel like. I feel like if
you're gonna say, yeah, we're pretty

569
00:37:15.519 --> 00:37:20.800
sure we had a big code with
their car, you probably have more details,

570
00:37:20.840 --> 00:37:24.280
Like that's not just a sure sentence
that you would you'd throw out without

571
00:37:24.440 --> 00:37:29.400
having more stuff to back. And
that's interesting. Yeah, So whether the

572
00:37:29.800 --> 00:37:32.920
whether the Creton's friend was with the
parents and he was there when it happened,

573
00:37:32.960 --> 00:37:35.880
and then the friends said, hey, Creton, I think we had

574
00:37:35.920 --> 00:37:38.039
a big foot last night. And
then create years later tells me Uncle Rick

575
00:37:38.119 --> 00:37:42.079
that my friends parents think they hit
a big foot. So I don't know

576
00:37:42.119 --> 00:37:46.119
how you know how how this defin
They didn't make it up. The Creton's

577
00:37:46.119 --> 00:37:49.679
friend didn't make that up to him. But um, again, that's that's

578
00:37:49.719 --> 00:37:55.159
all I've got for you at the
moment. Wild Um. Then finally,

579
00:37:55.280 --> 00:37:59.840
as far as the Mount St.
Helens country goes Mount Saint Helen's Mount Adams,

580
00:38:00.000 --> 00:38:04.239
I said, no, gentleman,
that's a prominent but it really stays

581
00:38:04.480 --> 00:38:07.880
below the radar here gentleman by the
name of Joe b Lart. I was

582
00:38:07.960 --> 00:38:10.639
like, he's gonna say b Lart, He totally is, because Oregon big

583
00:38:10.639 --> 00:38:15.559
Foot Highway is suns really good.
Buck. Yeah, I actually haven't seen

584
00:38:15.599 --> 00:38:16.480
it yet. Um, I want
to. I want to get it,

585
00:38:16.559 --> 00:38:20.440
and Cliff no, I've got no
places. A couple of places can get

586
00:38:20.440 --> 00:38:22.280
it, but I want Joe to
sign it for me. Yeah, you

587
00:38:22.360 --> 00:38:24.960
got personally, I suppose because because
because I think Cliff has him signed by

588
00:38:25.039 --> 00:38:29.079
Joe, but I don't want to
get one signed anonymously. I'll want Yeah,

589
00:38:29.440 --> 00:38:30.519
I want to hold Joe's hand when
he signs the name thing for me.

590
00:38:30.599 --> 00:38:35.000
So um. So anyway, that
Beian said, I haven't seen it,

591
00:38:35.119 --> 00:38:37.960
but so um years ago and heck
I'm looking now. Heck this is

592
00:38:38.119 --> 00:38:42.280
back in oh six, I guess, so seventeen years ago. It doesn't

593
00:38:42.280 --> 00:38:45.920
seem that long. Um, But
I've been a communication so with Joe UM

594
00:38:45.960 --> 00:38:47.840
and Cliff back then, and I'm
not buddy buddy with these guys, just

595
00:38:49.159 --> 00:38:52.400
random emails back of the day as
I've met him both on a couple different

596
00:38:52.400 --> 00:38:55.880
occasions over the years. Um,
but yeah, back in uh oh six

597
00:38:55.920 --> 00:39:00.679
and it's probably the winter of out
five, early oh six, as an

598
00:39:00.679 --> 00:39:05.480
emailing with Joe might have been before
even facebooks because we're friends on Facebook too.

599
00:39:06.599 --> 00:39:07.400
But Joe goes, hey, this
is how would you like to be

600
00:39:07.440 --> 00:39:13.360
involved in a camp out? This
is a Scookum cast. You're familiar scoopkum

601
00:39:13.400 --> 00:39:16.320
past cast? And oh yeah,
yeah so and how many again how many

602
00:39:16.320 --> 00:39:20.639
listeners are right now? I don't
know, but hopefully tons? Yeah,

603
00:39:20.719 --> 00:39:24.119
tis so and this is right after
so Scookum cast must have been oh four

604
00:39:24.239 --> 00:39:28.039
or five, maybe I remember the
exact year, but it was prior to

605
00:39:28.119 --> 00:39:32.599
this, so because I've dated here
of June of l six, but because

606
00:39:32.639 --> 00:39:36.679
that's when I was up there or
we were up there. So so the

607
00:39:36.679 --> 00:39:37.880
previous winner Joe's hey, how'd you
like to be part of a big foot

608
00:39:37.880 --> 00:39:42.280
camp? Un so cool? We'll
give me your address, so he's so.

609
00:39:42.440 --> 00:39:45.000
A couple of days later, I
get I get this mailing. It

610
00:39:45.039 --> 00:39:47.000
is a pamphlet. It's an envelope
about an inch thick. What the heck

611
00:39:47.039 --> 00:39:52.480
did Joe Bieler send us? And
this was like a disclaimer it was on

612
00:39:52.519 --> 00:39:54.960
and on and on, And what
they're trying to do is kind of create

613
00:39:55.039 --> 00:40:00.079
some kind of a habituation up near
Scuoka Meadows for summer, and they wanted

614
00:40:00.119 --> 00:40:05.760
people to occupy the specific camp spot
throughout the all summer long, and in

615
00:40:05.760 --> 00:40:07.159
different groups. We can commit two
days, three days, a whole week,

616
00:40:07.199 --> 00:40:09.519
a whole month, whatever, but
they just wanted to have a continual

617
00:40:09.719 --> 00:40:14.920
occupation of this camp site. So
that unless I started reading this documentation.

618
00:40:15.000 --> 00:40:19.639
We had two young boys then in
a young chocolate lab and I was reading.

619
00:40:19.679 --> 00:40:21.199
I said, oh, Craft,
they want to scope there. They

620
00:40:21.239 --> 00:40:23.519
want us to go up there alone. That would be a big, big

621
00:40:23.559 --> 00:40:28.599
shin dig of five ten, fifteen
twenty big foot enthusiasts. Oh no,

622
00:40:28.639 --> 00:40:32.199
we gotta go to Scuober Medals to
camp out by ourselves Craft, Honey.

623
00:40:32.280 --> 00:40:36.760
So we end up doing it and
uh at a great time. And actually,

624
00:40:36.760 --> 00:40:39.840
actually I mentioned I've got some photos
since things there. But um,

625
00:40:39.920 --> 00:40:43.159
there's another gentleman. Do you know
Rick Nole? That ring a bell?

626
00:40:43.440 --> 00:40:46.320
Yeah dude, well I don't.
I've never met Rick Nol and I know

627
00:40:46.440 --> 00:40:51.480
how he's involved with things. Yeah, totally. So um, so we

628
00:40:51.519 --> 00:40:52.559
go to scooping medals, like I
said, and this was this would have

629
00:40:52.559 --> 00:40:55.840
been in the winter that we were
making these arrangements to participate, so we

630
00:40:55.920 --> 00:41:00.400
picked us. I had four or
five day window. I came around up

631
00:41:00.440 --> 00:41:02.519
there, so up our trailer up
and had this physics spot to go camp

632
00:41:02.559 --> 00:41:06.679
and all that gated road behind,
had my mountain bike, had the young

633
00:41:06.760 --> 00:41:10.159
Lab chocolate lab, had my boys
wore. So that we're seventeen years ago,

634
00:41:10.159 --> 00:41:14.679
so like seven and five, I
guess, and we feel far around

635
00:41:14.679 --> 00:41:15.639
for a couple of days. I
went out and did some wood knock and

636
00:41:15.719 --> 00:41:21.119
all that and um, but right
up behind our camp up a logging road,

637
00:41:21.159 --> 00:41:23.920
there's a lot of old log of
history up there. And uh,

638
00:41:24.199 --> 00:41:28.480
right up behind camp you go one
hundred two hundred yards up it's gated and

639
00:41:28.559 --> 00:41:32.480
probably hundred yards from camp on the
road I'm off the main forest road that

640
00:41:32.519 --> 00:41:37.440
we camped. There's this. There's
this very rough copy of a sign.

641
00:41:37.480 --> 00:41:40.719
There was a rough sketching of a
big foot I used to call it,

642
00:41:40.960 --> 00:41:46.119
and I can't share with you now, but it's something that I've got it

643
00:41:46.199 --> 00:41:52.719
right here. Um historical big Foot
activity zone and underlined and bold letters be

644
00:41:52.800 --> 00:41:57.679
aware. Is not how I go
riding up behind camp. All a sudden,

645
00:41:57.679 --> 00:42:00.840
this is yeah, bit, this
is signed there, and she decided

646
00:42:00.880 --> 00:42:02.960
to go give why if you get
the kids come up and I took picture

647
00:42:04.000 --> 00:42:06.159
and all those really pretty cool,
so I knew we're the right we're camping

648
00:42:06.199 --> 00:42:09.159
the right spot anyway. Um.
So one of I think our last morning,

649
00:42:10.039 --> 00:42:15.760
there was a road that kind of
continued to the east from our camp,

650
00:42:15.880 --> 00:42:21.840
and I took the young lab out
had to go. We went out

651
00:42:21.880 --> 00:42:24.800
in them early in the morning.
Everyone's still crashed out and we probably went

652
00:42:24.840 --> 00:42:30.000
about two miles up. This is
a good gravel road right goes right up

653
00:42:30.000 --> 00:42:34.320
along scoop Ga Meadows, think a
mile and a half two miles. It's

654
00:42:34.360 --> 00:42:36.840
gated and there's a sea. There's
a season on gate. It could open

655
00:42:36.880 --> 00:42:40.320
close. So a dog and I
go up there. Then we got up

656
00:42:40.320 --> 00:42:43.920
to a side road and I'd love
exploring again that there's a lot of help

657
00:42:43.960 --> 00:42:46.119
sign up in there. I just
you know, always thinking it hunt and

658
00:42:46.119 --> 00:42:49.119
I don't I don't love to kill, but I loved it hunt and pursue

659
00:42:49.159 --> 00:42:52.880
and be out there. So we
took this little side gravel road and went

660
00:42:52.920 --> 00:42:57.679
up there little ways half miles shown
us get to the point where we're about

661
00:42:57.679 --> 00:43:00.559
ready to turn around the pub.
She's she I don't know. She's five

662
00:43:00.679 --> 00:43:05.119
six seven months old and just full
of p and vinegar and energetic and bouncing

663
00:43:05.119 --> 00:43:07.199
all over. And so we've been
gone an hour or so, an hour

664
00:43:07.199 --> 00:43:09.719
and a half and go up the
side gravel road. It's all flat.

665
00:43:09.719 --> 00:43:15.960
It's just kind of a high valley
scookin meadows there and meadows and swampy stuff

666
00:43:15.960 --> 00:43:20.679
all around. And you go up
the side road and there's a little cut

667
00:43:20.679 --> 00:43:23.159
bank on the right hand side of
the road. As I'm as we're wandering

668
00:43:23.199 --> 00:43:27.039
through there, I looked up on
it and I go, you've got to

669
00:43:27.039 --> 00:43:30.280
be crap. And I didn't say
craping, but you be crap. And

670
00:43:30.519 --> 00:43:32.800
up on the side hill, um, this is cut bank, maybe five

671
00:43:32.840 --> 00:43:37.760
or six feet tall. There is
this impression. You couldn't see the heel

672
00:43:37.800 --> 00:43:43.760
side of it so much, but
the upper front port part there's there's an

673
00:43:43.760 --> 00:43:50.719
impression seventy inches wide with toe indentations
on it. One flat impression. Walked

674
00:43:50.719 --> 00:43:55.760
into this cut bank going up and
I got you so had I had my

675
00:43:55.800 --> 00:43:59.199
phone with me. I think it's
a phone might have who knows, I've

676
00:43:59.199 --> 00:44:00.679
could have been digital camp. I
probably was the tatual camera. Put my

677
00:44:00.719 --> 00:44:02.840
foot next to it, took a
couple of pictures, and all in my

678
00:44:04.000 --> 00:44:06.559
young lab. She's bouncing all the
place. I'm getting a little tick.

679
00:44:06.559 --> 00:44:10.079
I didn't bring a leash for because
nowhere didn't be leash. She didn't get

680
00:44:10.119 --> 00:44:13.840
more than ten twenty feet for me. But she's just jumping all over,

681
00:44:13.920 --> 00:44:15.079
up and down my legs and I'm
afraid scared of this. She's going to

682
00:44:15.159 --> 00:44:20.360
jump on this. And this impression
was um, it was like it was

683
00:44:20.360 --> 00:44:22.400
on wet a wet substrate or you
know, wet kind of a hill and

684
00:44:22.400 --> 00:44:25.840
it now was bone dry. It's
again it's probably in late June, and

685
00:44:25.960 --> 00:44:30.119
it was pretty. It was not
a fresh fresh impression had been there for

686
00:44:30.199 --> 00:44:32.360
a while, but it was soft
enough that this impression had been made there

687
00:44:32.400 --> 00:44:37.559
with it looked like you can count
five toes on it. Um and you

688
00:44:37.559 --> 00:44:39.599
just see it the forefront of it
again. That just kind of the way

689
00:44:39.639 --> 00:44:44.840
the look, the way the impression
was the backs. I didn't leave a

690
00:44:44.840 --> 00:44:47.960
whole lot, and uh, I
said, you gotta begin, man.

691
00:44:49.280 --> 00:44:52.320
This the second dang big foot track
walking up this embankment one step and then

692
00:44:52.400 --> 00:44:57.000
up on top of the cut bank, um and dogs bouncing all over.

693
00:44:57.039 --> 00:44:59.320
I'm trying to take a picture and
she's jumping around because all she wants to

694
00:44:59.320 --> 00:45:00.800
do is love and play and jump
on you. So it took a few

695
00:45:00.800 --> 00:45:04.519
pictures from my foot next shot.
Then we bailed out of there and meet

696
00:45:04.559 --> 00:45:08.119
our two two and a half mile
track back to camp. I told my

697
00:45:08.119 --> 00:45:10.960
wife about it, and I had
some cashing material, but it was just

698
00:45:12.000 --> 00:45:15.039
far enough away and I question it. There are some things about the track

699
00:45:15.079 --> 00:45:21.039
I wandered about, and I saw
a lot soum got back home that night.

700
00:45:21.119 --> 00:45:24.480
The following day emailed Joe Blart,
sent up picture. He was holy

701
00:45:24.519 --> 00:45:28.920
crap, says and I had heard
of Rick Noel's name. I've never met

702
00:45:29.000 --> 00:45:30.360
him before and didn't hadn't heard a
whole lot of one of those guys again,

703
00:45:30.440 --> 00:45:35.519
kind of another radar. So we
made arrangements two weeks later to meet

704
00:45:35.719 --> 00:45:37.719
Rick Nolan and this in the middle
to give her pinch on National Forest.

705
00:45:37.719 --> 00:45:39.800
It's actually, I mean, of
all the time we'd spen up there,

706
00:45:39.840 --> 00:45:44.639
we'd seen like two vehicles and four
or five days of camping up there.

707
00:45:44.639 --> 00:45:46.960
It doesn't get a whole lot of
traffic. So wife and I went up

708
00:45:46.960 --> 00:45:52.760
there like on a Thursday or Friday, and met Rick up there and and

709
00:45:52.880 --> 00:45:54.800
walked in there. Well, there'd
been some thunderstorms, so it's not summer

710
00:45:54.840 --> 00:46:00.599
thunderstorms up there, and h and
I told him I was a little concerned.

711
00:46:00.639 --> 00:46:02.800
Now he's come from the Seattle area, and he didn't seem to be

712
00:46:02.840 --> 00:46:06.079
asked concerned. I said, man, I know it's we can some pretty

713
00:46:06.079 --> 00:46:08.920
good thunderstorms and some pretty good showers
out of him. I didn't think you'd

714
00:46:08.920 --> 00:46:13.239
be an issue. Well, we
make the stroll back up in that area,

715
00:46:13.480 --> 00:46:15.360
and again I said roughly, it's
like I said, it's all good.

716
00:46:15.400 --> 00:46:19.880
Gravel force rods his gait. And
as we got back up in there

717
00:46:20.840 --> 00:46:22.880
and in that in addition to that, there's a lot of growth. There's

718
00:46:22.880 --> 00:46:25.320
some of the mountain looping. It
was a cool flowering plant and some other

719
00:46:25.360 --> 00:46:28.840
stuff. So as we got to
that cut, man, I guess I

720
00:46:28.840 --> 00:46:32.119
can swear this where it was,
and you can maybe see a little im

721
00:46:32.199 --> 00:46:37.719
fresh and little definition where I thought
this might have been it. And and

722
00:46:37.920 --> 00:46:38.920
Rick was up there, he's walking
around. He walked up on the cut

723
00:46:38.920 --> 00:46:42.280
bank and looked back in there and
all that he is telling us all his

724
00:46:42.360 --> 00:46:47.360
stuff and tell us some about some
of the different to us tracking methods that

725
00:46:47.400 --> 00:46:51.639
are kind of cutting edge back,
and then some different things are playing with

726
00:46:51.679 --> 00:46:58.440
whatever. But again it's just that
what I saw the two weeks previously as

727
00:46:58.480 --> 00:47:01.039
there, we just could not find
it well. I took pictures of what

728
00:47:01.079 --> 00:47:04.000
I thought was it, and as
I came back home, compared to pictures,

729
00:47:04.079 --> 00:47:07.719
yeah, we were the exact same
location where the impression was just the

730
00:47:07.320 --> 00:47:10.239
rain from two weeks earlier. And
again one of the little plants, they're

731
00:47:10.239 --> 00:47:13.719
a little loop and it went from
this to like five or six inches,

732
00:47:14.880 --> 00:47:16.679
so it was the same exact plant
they'd grown as the same thing as just

733
00:47:16.760 --> 00:47:22.400
the thunderstorms. The summer thunderstorms had
just come. Who knows you need a

734
00:47:22.400 --> 00:47:23.840
half inch inch or two a rain
in a short period of time than that

735
00:47:23.920 --> 00:47:29.280
happens. So we were right there, just there was nothing for him to

736
00:47:29.360 --> 00:47:30.519
really see outside of the photos I'd
taken a few weeks ago. But I

737
00:47:30.599 --> 00:47:35.239
said, Joe Bieler wasn't excited enough
to send Rick Nol up their mew with

738
00:47:35.280 --> 00:47:38.159
it. But it just, you
know, summer thunderstorms kind of exactly what

739
00:47:38.199 --> 00:47:43.400
it was I don't know. I'll
say the pictures sometime, but it's yeah,

740
00:47:43.440 --> 00:47:45.840
that would be awesome. And you
have pictures of the sign too,

741
00:47:45.320 --> 00:47:49.400
Yeah, oh that would be so
cool. So was this after? So

742
00:47:49.800 --> 00:47:53.119
this this would have been as Okay, the Scoogum cast was cast in September

743
00:47:53.159 --> 00:47:58.320
of two thousand, Okay, so
this is like a few years after that.

744
00:47:58.400 --> 00:48:00.679
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I
knew it was after. I didn't

745
00:48:00.199 --> 00:48:04.079
just attle bit six years. Yeah. Yeah, it's not tip end.

746
00:48:05.320 --> 00:48:07.960
That's really that's such an interesting story, Rick like way, anyway, so

747
00:48:07.960 --> 00:48:10.800
I had to jump the Joe,
the Joe Bieler name. That's awesome,

748
00:48:12.039 --> 00:48:17.119
dude, that's an amazing like talk
about my being involved with Rick Noll and

749
00:48:17.199 --> 00:48:22.639
that for Bigfoot history. That's really
cool. Yeah, he didn't just be

750
00:48:22.760 --> 00:48:24.599
seemed to be too terribly impressed with
at all, but the fact that he

751
00:48:24.719 --> 00:48:28.280
just kind of missed the boat by
two weeks. And again, I don't

752
00:48:28.280 --> 00:48:30.280
know what I found there, but
yeah, when you see the pictures,

753
00:48:30.320 --> 00:48:36.360
you might how how close to the
did you work? Were you aware of

754
00:48:36.400 --> 00:48:40.440
where the site of the actually Scuoko
and Castro Sure, I think we were

755
00:48:40.440 --> 00:48:44.440
with in less than a mile.
I think it was the road slightly to

756
00:48:44.519 --> 00:48:49.320
the south of where were camped.
That we would have driven by, um

757
00:48:49.679 --> 00:48:52.960
as we were closed on and we
were we were camped right next skick Meadows.

758
00:48:52.599 --> 00:48:57.360
UM so sore that the where that
that cast was made was not in

759
00:48:57.400 --> 00:49:00.480
Scooko Meadows is on off the side
of the road near by. But now

760
00:49:00.519 --> 00:49:04.360
I'm thinking, I'm thinking we're where
we were camped. It was all triangulation

761
00:49:04.440 --> 00:49:08.679
wise. That's amazing. That's such
a cool, cool story. Yeah,

762
00:49:08.920 --> 00:49:12.599
it was just kind of like I
said, it's Joe b Alart connects and

763
00:49:12.599 --> 00:49:14.719
all said, Okay, that's cool. Joe worrying with Joe b Alart that

764
00:49:14.760 --> 00:49:16.000
he says it's this thing and we
gotta camp by ourself. We're not part

765
00:49:16.000 --> 00:49:23.119
of a big camping Okay, great, whatever. But we survived there,

766
00:49:23.360 --> 00:49:30.880
and I and I may have found
the track. So I've got plenty more.

767
00:49:30.960 --> 00:49:35.039
Are you still with me? I'm
still with you, dude. I

768
00:49:35.079 --> 00:49:37.440
mean, dude, I've been doing
this for five years. I'm still don't

769
00:49:37.000 --> 00:49:40.440
That's honest. I'm gonna switch regions
now, all right, this goes to

770
00:49:40.519 --> 00:49:46.119
the northeast Oregon, southwest or southeast
Washington. The WEENAHT two Cannon wilderness area.

771
00:49:46.480 --> 00:49:50.480
This is Paul Freeman Country, yeah, dude. And uh, the

772
00:49:50.480 --> 00:49:55.840
Milk Preak Watershed And again I'll go
as chronologically as I can with this most

773
00:49:55.880 --> 00:50:00.280
of this pretty much. So first
of all, the Milk Preak water Shed

774
00:50:00.440 --> 00:50:05.000
is uh, um the watershed for
the city of Wallah, Wallah and Paul

775
00:50:05.079 --> 00:50:08.639
Freeman they they've patrolled it, um
for for decades ectually people out of the

776
00:50:08.679 --> 00:50:14.119
Milk Creek Watershed and uh, it's
a water purity you know whatever. In

777
00:50:14.159 --> 00:50:15.480
Walla Walla. It's not a huge
town, and it means it's grown tremendously

778
00:50:15.519 --> 00:50:20.519
in the last generation or so.
But um, they just protected it like

779
00:50:20.559 --> 00:50:24.320
crazy. Yeah. Yeah, And
Paul Freeman was a what they they have

780
00:50:24.360 --> 00:50:29.760
water watershed patrollers. So it's it's
close the public entry the watershed is and

781
00:50:29.760 --> 00:50:32.079
it's a it's a hole. It's
uh. They give out elk tags um

782
00:50:32.719 --> 00:50:36.800
in a Stratles Oregon Washington border.
They give it at elk tags, which

783
00:50:36.800 --> 00:50:38.360
are very highly coveted elk tags because
they just give out a few. So

784
00:50:38.400 --> 00:50:43.440
the yelk and grow these the bulls
and they grow big mature because they're they're

785
00:50:43.519 --> 00:50:45.400
lightly hunted. No one's in their
bugget them all. You're you have like

786
00:50:45.440 --> 00:50:50.480
five or seven days out of the
year that they have these hunts in there,

787
00:50:50.599 --> 00:50:52.760
and um and they're very difficult tags. Again, they just again,

788
00:50:52.800 --> 00:50:55.760
they just allow a handful of hunters
in there. So it's just a coveted

789
00:50:55.840 --> 00:51:00.320
tag. People sneak into poach because
these big mature bull elk they out in

790
00:51:00.360 --> 00:51:06.519
there. Um. And so they've
got these patrol riders at um um spot

791
00:51:06.519 --> 00:51:08.719
and scope say ride horses to the
watershed. They patrol the boundary. That's

792
00:51:08.719 --> 00:51:12.199
this big rugget country. You get
along the upper perimeter of this, the

793
00:51:12.559 --> 00:51:16.760
canyon drops off like it's that's sixty
seventy. I've always joked, you don't

794
00:51:16.760 --> 00:51:20.400
want to drop your bowling ball out
here because you'll never get it back right

795
00:51:20.440 --> 00:51:22.960
and it drops. These canyons dropped
two or three thousand feet deep. It's

796
00:51:22.000 --> 00:51:28.199
just big beautiful country. Um And
obviously what an ideal area for anything to

797
00:51:28.199 --> 00:51:31.400
live and not be bothered. So
Paul Freeman was a one of the watershed

798
00:51:31.400 --> 00:51:36.079
patroller, a four service employee watershed
patroller, and this is where he had

799
00:51:36.079 --> 00:51:37.920
deciding while he was employed by the
four shop. See, he may not

800
00:51:37.920 --> 00:51:40.280
have been on duty that day.
I don't recall it exactly or a couple

801
00:51:40.280 --> 00:51:45.199
of times he's had encounters or sidings
whatever. But but I fortunately I got

802
00:51:45.280 --> 00:51:49.159
to grow up. So where the
watershed is on the crosser roof from there

803
00:51:49.280 --> 00:51:51.920
is this big weldness area is one
of the first world of this series in

804
00:51:51.920 --> 00:51:54.000
Oregon, though we don't have Two
Cannon Wilderness. Once again, no roads

805
00:51:54.440 --> 00:51:58.519
us. It's opened a public untry, but it's by trail only. You

806
00:51:58.519 --> 00:52:00.800
can't take bikes in there. You
can't take a chaine and stop. You

807
00:52:00.840 --> 00:52:05.159
can you can you can hike it
or ride at bikes. And again very

808
00:52:05.239 --> 00:52:07.760
rugged country, this beautiful, awesome
country, and there's just a bunch of

809
00:52:07.840 --> 00:52:13.760
history. If their big foot so
um And I was fortunate because that's where

810
00:52:13.840 --> 00:52:16.079
my dad was hunting back in the
days um. He had applied for that

811
00:52:16.119 --> 00:52:20.119
Milk Creak watershed tagging about every ten
twelve years he get the tagged hunt in

812
00:52:20.159 --> 00:52:22.159
the milk Creak water ship. And
my uncle had horses and if they weren't

813
00:52:22.199 --> 00:52:25.400
hunting in this watershed, they were
hunting over in the wilderness on horses.

814
00:52:25.440 --> 00:52:28.679
They pack in eight or ten miles
in the middle of the wilderness. And

815
00:52:28.840 --> 00:52:30.960
said, I was just fortunate being
back in my early days on I got

816
00:52:30.960 --> 00:52:37.320
to go hunt in this very remote
pristine country in northeast Oregon. So um,

817
00:52:37.519 --> 00:52:42.400
some friends of my grandparents, Jean
and Zola Howard. And again this

818
00:52:42.400 --> 00:52:46.960
this is going back decades um the
watershed Rider back and I'm looking this it

819
00:52:47.039 --> 00:52:50.079
must have been in the seventies of
the guy by the name of Red.

820
00:52:51.400 --> 00:52:55.000
And then this is this is kind
of a secondhand story from this Gene and

821
00:52:55.079 --> 00:52:59.360
Zola that they told my dad when
he was younger than my dad told me,

822
00:52:59.440 --> 00:53:02.079
but Geane would be in the hunt
drought things alluded, but they knew

823
00:53:02.119 --> 00:53:07.360
Red the watershed Rider from Milk Creek
Watershed. And uh, this Red Toll,

824
00:53:07.719 --> 00:53:08.559
I'll kind of this is kind of
ever bade him, I guess more

825
00:53:08.599 --> 00:53:15.840
or less. But this Red Toll
Geane Morris, he goes Um says he

826
00:53:15.920 --> 00:53:17.039
lives, he lives there. This
is in the Milk Creak Watershed, talking

827
00:53:17.079 --> 00:53:21.559
about Big Flip. He lives there. We know each other. Says I

828
00:53:21.599 --> 00:53:27.639
don't bother him, he doesn't bother
me. Wow. So that's coming from

829
00:53:27.639 --> 00:53:30.360
the seventies Milk Creek Watershed. Now
that being said, sidings up there a

830
00:53:30.400 --> 00:53:34.760
Milk Creek watershed and then they can
climb up out of the watershed and cross

831
00:53:34.800 --> 00:53:37.679
the road and be into these other
world in a serious, big remote canyons

832
00:53:37.679 --> 00:53:39.360
and whatever. And that's where there's
been sidings back and forth a couple of

833
00:53:39.400 --> 00:53:44.960
years. Again, the watershed is
not open um unless you're a watershed patrol

834
00:53:45.039 --> 00:53:49.519
rider. Your access and almost sheer
round outside of the deep snow winter months.

835
00:53:50.239 --> 00:53:52.679
So anyway, yeah, that was
that was that was what Red head

836
00:53:52.719 --> 00:53:55.480
to say. What happened to Red
to to make him say that, like

837
00:53:55.679 --> 00:54:00.159
that's all? Yeah, and and
you when we gotchen like as i've yeah,

838
00:54:00.159 --> 00:54:02.559
and um and this Gene and Zola
and again Gene and Zola or my

839
00:54:02.599 --> 00:54:07.320
grandparents friends that lived up out outside
of wash Sugle, Washington. Yeah,

840
00:54:07.519 --> 00:54:08.400
um and Geene, I think it
was more than the hunter. Hunter was

841
00:54:08.440 --> 00:54:14.199
my grandfather. So yeah, what
what caused there created that can conversation back

842
00:54:14.239 --> 00:54:19.119
in the seventies between Gene and Red
the watershed rider high no idea? Um,

843
00:54:19.800 --> 00:54:21.960
because because I'm gonna throw a couple
of other stories at you have our

844
00:54:22.039 --> 00:54:27.360
encounters and experiences in talking and conversations
with the these most recent watershed patrollers.

845
00:54:27.719 --> 00:54:31.199
Oh okay, who will totally uh, they gat anything you have to say

846
00:54:31.239 --> 00:54:35.000
about it, but we'll get to
those. So so that's why it was

847
00:54:35.039 --> 00:54:37.519
a good thing or kind of doing
this region by region. Um So,

848
00:54:37.559 --> 00:54:38.880
anyway, that was what we read
had to say. We know each other.

849
00:54:39.159 --> 00:54:43.679
I don't bother him as a mother
here later on in nineteen seventy nine,

850
00:54:43.800 --> 00:54:49.199
roughly October seventy nine would have made
me fifteen, and so um my

851
00:54:49.280 --> 00:54:52.440
uncle again, my uncle had horses, him and my father hunting partners or

852
00:54:52.599 --> 00:54:55.239
hunting buddies. So we'd drive into
this remote little campground on the edge of

853
00:54:55.239 --> 00:54:59.679
the wilderness. Then we'd take horses
in roughly eight is eight to ten miles

854
00:55:00.039 --> 00:55:02.559
high ridge. It's a good,
just country, very few people back there.

855
00:55:02.559 --> 00:55:06.280
You had the hole, you had
a wilderness area. But I wouldn't

856
00:55:06.280 --> 00:55:08.199
say to yourself because Elkin is pretty
popular back then. Anyone could get a

857
00:55:08.239 --> 00:55:10.599
tag. But still it is just
kind of unique kind of experience. And

858
00:55:10.639 --> 00:55:15.119
here I am a teenager getting the
opportunity to go back in there. Um

859
00:55:15.679 --> 00:55:20.639
So there's a canyon back in there, and I hesitate to name it,

860
00:55:20.719 --> 00:55:23.000
so I won't because there's we have
another I have another story that kind of

861
00:55:23.039 --> 00:55:25.760
follow along, but you get back
in the wilderness. One of the canyons.

862
00:55:25.760 --> 00:55:29.679
We get back in there on this
long ridge and you had some canyons

863
00:55:29.960 --> 00:55:32.159
and these canyons are holes. Again, you don't want to drop your bowling

864
00:55:32.159 --> 00:55:37.639
ball back there. Um. But
my father and I hunched down in the

865
00:55:37.639 --> 00:55:44.760
bottom of this one canyon one day
and as we were, and you don't

866
00:55:44.760 --> 00:55:47.480
go in the bottom these canyons unless
you really gotta, because once you get

867
00:55:47.519 --> 00:55:50.760
the bottom, you have to get
your butt out back to canyon. It's

868
00:55:50.840 --> 00:55:52.920
it's not forgiving country. It's beautiful, um. And I was a young

869
00:55:53.000 --> 00:55:55.559
kid back then. I'd let you
go out there these days, um,

870
00:55:57.119 --> 00:56:00.079
just to see it from my perspective
and age now, because I haven't and

871
00:56:00.079 --> 00:56:02.920
they're probably thirty plush years. But
anyway, this particular canyon we're get in

872
00:56:02.920 --> 00:56:07.599
the bottom of event and h and
again we're elk hunting. And as we're

873
00:56:07.639 --> 00:56:10.320
working up the bottom, there's game
trails and stuff found, and we're working

874
00:56:10.320 --> 00:56:13.320
at the bottom and all of a
sudden we get to an area and it's

875
00:56:13.320 --> 00:56:16.440
getting the mid mid afternoon whatever weather
is really nice for this is late October

876
00:56:16.440 --> 00:56:19.800
two when the elk seasons are in
the bottom, and all of a sudden,

877
00:56:19.800 --> 00:56:22.239
we get to a spot we're we're
gonna start climbing back out of the

878
00:56:22.280 --> 00:56:25.239
canyon, and I wrecked. I'm
talking a good hour high can probably closer

879
00:56:25.280 --> 00:56:29.239
to too, because just just it's
just a NonStop drying climbing up out of

880
00:56:29.280 --> 00:56:31.239
there. And we get to point
the bottom, we're all a sudden,

881
00:56:31.280 --> 00:56:35.760
all the games sign on Elk sign
in particularly, but there's there's all kinds

882
00:56:35.800 --> 00:56:37.880
of other stuff from there too,
But all of a sudden, that's just

883
00:56:37.079 --> 00:56:39.559
the trails just kind of even though
there's trails, and there's just like no

884
00:56:39.639 --> 00:56:45.320
sign and it became just dead quiet. And I remember to this day,

885
00:56:45.320 --> 00:56:47.239
and my dad made the same comment
back then. It was just an eerie

886
00:56:50.039 --> 00:56:53.280
again, you're you're in the bottom
of canyon where the bottoms, the walls

887
00:56:53.280 --> 00:56:55.639
on both sides are going up.
We're at the bottom of this canyon.

888
00:56:55.679 --> 00:57:00.559
It just became just an eerie feel
down there. And again this will play

889
00:57:00.599 --> 00:57:07.639
into another story here in a bit
um and Dad made and no birds,

890
00:57:07.679 --> 00:57:09.880
it's just no life was just it
was just kind of an eerie, dead

891
00:57:10.039 --> 00:57:19.000
quiet, silent canyon bottom and uh. And then we proceed to climb out

892
00:57:19.000 --> 00:57:21.639
and that was it. But I
just remember that because it was just I've

893
00:57:21.719 --> 00:57:23.960
never been so tuned in to know, I think that something's watching me or

894
00:57:24.000 --> 00:57:27.880
whatever, and whether it's my wife
or a big foot or a cougar or

895
00:57:27.880 --> 00:57:30.800
whatever, I've I've never had those
senses, I don't think. But we're

896
00:57:30.840 --> 00:57:31.719
the bottom there, and it's just
it was just weird. It was just

897
00:57:31.760 --> 00:57:37.440
some weird, dead, calm,
silent canyon bottom. So we climbed out

898
00:57:37.440 --> 00:57:39.400
of there and that then said,
that's really kind of the end of that.

899
00:57:39.639 --> 00:57:45.280
So a year later, we're back
out in that same country again,

900
00:57:45.360 --> 00:57:49.519
the end of October night. This
has been roughly I think nineteen eighty and

901
00:57:49.840 --> 00:57:52.800
this canyon is probably four or five
six miles long, and it's just kind

902
00:57:52.800 --> 00:57:55.679
of from the headwaters where the drainage
Sharks is just kind of worse this way

903
00:57:55.719 --> 00:58:00.960
way way down to the river.
But we were up at the upper end

904
00:58:00.000 --> 00:58:05.960
of the drainage on a pack trail
and we're hiking out one day and we

905
00:58:06.000 --> 00:58:08.320
got to the the head and we
had a breeze kind of coming up that

906
00:58:08.400 --> 00:58:15.159
drainage, and we had a section
there where we had like an ungodly smell,

907
00:58:17.159 --> 00:58:21.480
and it was midday the thermals and
all that war the air starting to

908
00:58:21.480 --> 00:58:23.639
get warm up, is warming up
and rising, but is it's working its

909
00:58:23.639 --> 00:58:27.559
way up that drainage. We're going
through a little patch of timber, some

910
00:58:27.599 --> 00:58:30.119
open hillside, and we got to
a section there where it just it was

911
00:58:30.480 --> 00:58:37.199
just a deathly stink, gaene stench. There's elk hunters in there. Someone

912
00:58:37.199 --> 00:58:39.960
could have killed an elk down on
that little patch of timber below us a

913
00:58:40.000 --> 00:58:44.719
couple of hundred yards and a couple
of days later, the guts and whatever

914
00:58:45.159 --> 00:58:47.639
might have been getting rotten, and
it might have been, but it might

915
00:58:47.639 --> 00:58:52.639
have been just working its way up
with that afternoon breeze or whatever. I

916
00:58:52.039 --> 00:58:54.480
don't know, but I just always
remember that stench coming out of the same

917
00:58:54.519 --> 00:59:00.719
canyon that we had this little eerie
experienced down deep the previous years. So

918
00:59:01.880 --> 00:59:04.880
what it was we smelled, I
don't know. The thing is is we

919
00:59:04.920 --> 00:59:07.039
walked. We went through about a
fifty yard maybe a hundred yards section of

920
00:59:07.039 --> 00:59:08.800
this trail, and all of a
sudden, we're out of that. So

921
00:59:08.840 --> 00:59:13.440
we were within the cone of whatever
it's called, the cause of this odor.

922
00:59:14.679 --> 00:59:16.000
We just kind of went through the
cone and walked through it. Within

923
00:59:16.039 --> 00:59:17.440
a minute or two and then you're
out of it. But it was just

924
00:59:17.519 --> 00:59:22.159
kind of it was just kind of
stomach for it. Smell. It very

925
00:59:22.159 --> 00:59:23.920
easily could have been an elk that
someone had harvest down there and clean and

926
00:59:23.960 --> 00:59:28.599
then we're just smelling it left because
body parts don't think smell a real good

927
00:59:28.599 --> 00:59:30.039
if they've been sitting out in the
suner aging for a couple of years,

928
00:59:30.079 --> 00:59:37.800
especially through outside of your body.
So so so yeah, just the stach,

929
00:59:37.119 --> 00:59:39.880
the strong smell oft the head of
that canyon. You just listen to

930
00:59:39.920 --> 00:59:45.159
part one of Rick Rasmer's big Foot
Adventures in the Pacific Northwest. We'll be

931
00:59:45.199 --> 00:59:47.840
back in about a week with part
two. You won't want to miss it.

932
00:59:47.840 --> 00:59:52.880
It does get pretty wild. I
mean the stuff we've already heard Rick

933
00:59:53.000 --> 00:59:58.960
Noel, Paul Freeman related it.
It does get crazier though, so make

934
00:59:59.000 --> 01:00:02.519
sure you're subscribed so you don't miss
out on part two. The whole audio

935
01:00:02.880 --> 01:00:08.159
is live in the Patreon already,
but we'll be back with part two in

936
01:00:08.199 --> 01:00:14.559
about a week. Thanks for listening
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937
01:00:14.599 --> 01:00:20.360
provide a platform for those that have
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938
01:00:20.519 --> 01:00:24.239
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939
01:00:24.320 --> 01:00:31.000
experienced something that you just can't explain, please send me an email at Bigfoot

940
01:00:31.079 --> 01:00:36.559
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941
01:00:36.639 --> 01:00:40.800
know a lot of you have not
shared your encounter at all. It's been

942
01:00:40.880 --> 01:00:46.280
twenty years and it's time that you
get this off your chest and then you

943
01:00:46.280 --> 01:00:50.599
can get some well deserved for rest, because I know you haven't been sleeping.

944
01:00:51.679 --> 01:00:54.320
I understand what you're going through,
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