30 Bigfoot Stories with Rick Rasmor, Pt. 1

0:01 And they've gone I'm on a day hike out in the mountains outside of Linked Lincoln and UH. As they come walking across and they're they're coming back to their cars, there's a kind of a big lettering on a high ridge timber. They came out of the timber a couple hundred yards back of the car, and as they're approaching their vehicle late in the afternoon or the evening, some people in the in the trailhead start running at them, point and point and pointing. And in this scenario, there had been and they've been been that bigfoot sightings activity. And they turned around and right on the edge of the timber, they see this large dark figure turned walk back in the timber on the trail or or in the vicinity of the trail. I could followed him out to the edge of the timber, and UH and Jeff and his family had turned turned and they just saw this large back black figure turning and walking back into the timber. In this episode of Big for Society, I talked to mister Rick Rasmer from the Great State of Oregon. I've been talking to Rick for about a year now trying to get him on the podcast.

1:04 So he can share his collection of anecdotal evidence. And I'm happy to say that we finally were able to make it to work. I'm not going to spoil the surprises here, but there are some really cool things that we go over in a way I just can't explain it. But back to the future slash force gump vibes. I'll leave it at that. It gets pretty cool. I think if you're a Bigfoot nerd, if you're Bigfoot Society hardcore listener, you're going to really like this episode. And one last thing before we start. There's something free that I need your help with. If you can go ahead and subscribe to whatever platform you're listening to this on right now, and please share it with your friends. Also, if you're listening to the podcast, make sure you're subscribed to Big Society over on YouTube. We are going to the moon, so you may as well get your moon shoes on now. Yeah, that's gonna be a thing. It's it's gonna get pretty crazy. Guys. Again, thanks for listening, and let's start the show, all right, pick Faciety. We've got the privilege of talking to a gentleman tonight. His name is Rick. He had approached me through Facebook, I believe, and he's got some interesting stories anecdotal evidence from over the years.

2:27 Rick, how's it going. I'll let you take it from here. Doing pretty good, man, Thanks a lot for having me on. So glad we can actually finally get together because you and I've kind of back and forth on this for a number of months. So it's been a long time coming. Yeah, so one thing or another, so um so anyway yet, And not to be overly big, but I live in Oregon. I've lived in in Oregon whole life, pushing sixty years almost, and it just had an interest in this topic for on Roger Patterson and mister Bob Gimlon put a movie out and it's just been always intrigued with it ever since. So you know, Um, And over the course of that time, as Jeremiah and I have spoke, UM, I don't have any hair raising encounters or stories for people. But over the course of time, I've I've met people, I've talked people, I've got a lot of good friends, and over all these years, I just have a lot of stories that make me more of a believer. I haven't seen one, I know, there's there's there's no words and believers out there. There's no say naystairs. There's people that are just don't know. And I don't know, but I've got a I hear enough and have been interested enough in the topic for well over half a century that I said, I've got some stories are kind of cool to me, and I've kept tracking over the years, and I guess, you know, it's probably good time to share some of those. I love it.

3:49 It sounds like you're in I mean being in Oregon in general, doesn't matter where you're at, you're in a cool area. But it sounds like you're in a cool area. So I'm excited to hear again. How you you you've brushed, You've brushed, you know, paths with people that might be known to the big Foot community. But I'm excited to hear you know what you've You've gathered along the years so well. And and first of all, so I'm not a researcher. Um. I spent a lot of time in the woods. I hunt and fish, had I my family and I I have a lot of trail cameras, I sit out in the mountains and all that. And again, I've I've got no groundbreaking, earth shattering evidence that's be presented tonight. But I've got a pretty collected a lot of interesting stories with a lot of people that there's a lot of people out there are never believer until they became a believer or an owner. Um. And there's those that have chase their entire lives and never really satisfied their need to know.

4:44 Um. But yeah, we live rut of the base mount hood. Um. I've lived in western Oregon my entire life. Yeah, Mount St. Helens, Mount Adams. I spend a lot of times up in the uh Northeastern Oregons or Paul Freeman, Um, a lot of people. Most people know about Paul Freeman as well. I'm very familiar with that country. And I've just got a little bits and pieces from all these other these areas. That's just kind of another pieces the puzzle, I guess. Um. So what I put together is I've got the number of stories. Again, vast majority of anecdotal, but that's that's all. The vast majority of those are second person. These are acquaintances and or friends of mine that we've just I've yeah, we've talked, we've had stories. So UM, So if you don't mind, I'll start off I've kind of segregated this region by region and then um and then uh, you know, I said, I'll just kind of start that way. I start with the kind of miscellaneous and I'll kind of focused on a couple of different regions, uh that Northeast Oregon area obviously, the Pacific or the Mount Hood Cascade Range and um up into Mount hesse Hounds and Washington as well. So um, so uh yeah, I'll start with kind of going chronologically as well some of the couple of miscellaneous ones.

5:54 Um, a good friend of my little brother, and again we're back. This is probably back in the eighties. But and he told me the story of years ago as well. But they were up in Montana, Lincoln, Montana, if anyone knows, kind of a west central Montana. And there was a lot of a lot of reports of stories and sightings of Bigfoot back there in Lincoln, Montana back in the mid eighties. So when I heard this story from my brother's friend, Jeff as shoot is probably from the late eighties, early nineties. And big Foot to me, back then, you didn't hear about Montana. You heard about Oregon, Washington, California, Canada. He didn't hear much about the Midwest, Texas, Oklahoma, wherever.

6:38 But my brother's friend Jeff, I remember him telling us one day after they'd gone back to Montana, I think, to see some family friends from the Sun or sun or vacation whatever outside of school. And we started talking and he knew we kind of had interest in the big Foot and they'd done I'm on a day hike out in the mountains outside of Lincoln and as it come walking across again and some of these things I've kind of paint the vision I have from the interpretation I have of the stories that I heard these people of the years, and what's probably in the details he gave me, and then the way I picture it. And they're they're coming back to their car. There's a kind of a big clearing on a high ridge timber. They came out of the timber a couple hundred yards back to the car, and as they're approaching their vehicle late in the afternoon or ly evening, some people in the in the trailhead start running at them, point and point and pointing.

7:28 And in this scenario, there had been they've been been that Bigfoot sightings activity. And they turned around and right on the edge of the timber. They see this large dark figure turned walked back in the timber on the trail, or or in the vicinity of the trail, like it followed him out to the edge of the timber. And uh, and my and Jeff and his family had turned turned and they just saw this large back black figure turning and walking back in the timber. So um, and really that's just kind of That's how a lot of my story is going to be. It's gonna be stuff like that. But again, there's there's several of them. So well, this is great because I have listeners from all over and people are gonna be, oh, my goodness, Lincoln, Montana. Yeah, yeah, I've seen one in Lincoln, Montana. You know. Yeah, Well, then great, and ultimately that might be you know, how this all comes together because I'll get into something actually, just a couple more down the line here Yellowstone National Park on the east side of Yellowstone, Cody, Wyoming.

8:22 There's a there's a number of reported sightings of stories come out of there. Um Idaho. Same thing. I've the Ballman incident, which goes back way back, and Teddy Roosevelt talked about that. Um. But again, it's when I was grown up in younger, it was it was Oregon, Washington, California, and then we get up in Canada as well. So and as we see now it's that's a I don't if you want to call it refers and on or not. But it's not just Oregon, Washington, California and in Canada. So so um again, just since these are not so much specifically regional, I've just got a couple of miscellanea stores, so that that's the one Lincoln, Montana and back in there early to May eighties, probably Um, a good friend of mine. I'll have a couple of references to him. Uh a it outdoors when um he's a non believer and we'll get to want his stories a little bit later, more local. But a good friend of his that I've got to meet over the years. Again, a very simple story. But he was down and I'm kind of reading as some nooses would go here, but uh, down along the Ordon Coast Celetts River. Ordon Coast has a good history too. You don't hear a lot about it. Um, they're they're driving along, driving the road down the Celetts River. Um. And this is probably back in the early seventies now and just a tall black figure crosses the road in front of them. Us as a lot of sightings are you're driving at night and all of a sudden, bam, bam bam, two or three steps and that's that's the experience you have that the vast majority of the people in this country will never have or in this world for that one. So um so acrossing of the the highway heading done the Celetts middle of the night. They're not middle night,

9:54 but probably and U, I said, it's that's all. That's all I have on the story. But yeah, it's just the acquaintance of a friend that had saw something that can you explain it? Can you not? Whatever? And then uh, finally of my miss Laney stories this has to do is Yellowstone as well. Probably about ten years ago we used to go my family and I used to go to Yellowstone, my wife and our kids, and even prior to kids, we used to go to Yellerstone quite a bit to once or twice a year. And um, again, having heard some of these stories, specially on the eastern boundary of Yellowstone, is actually some photos from the from around Old Faithful. If anyone's seen those from a couple of years ago in the snow, possibly some big Foot's walking amongst some bison and buffalo on the trail system out I'm old faithful in midwinter. But this is on the on the east and northeast end of Yellowstone. I just saw some some very large impressions in the snow as we're driving through in two or three feet of snow in an area that typically deer and elk are not going to be that time of year, and we slowed down and I took a look at him. I didn't hop out, but it was just interesting because that section of eastern Yellowstone getting into Western Wyoming on the back side of it has over the last number of years, I've I've seen heard and read several stories of sidings and cameras whatever. So I just saw big impressions. I just big impressions in what to me would be need a thigh deep snow crossing

11:26 the road. So you personally did yourself, Wow, Okay, how how far apart were those significant enough? So you see these photos from time to time in the snow Alberta, canadaby c wherever, and and deer in deeper snow will hop and post hole balance, and I didn't get out and looked in those holes shirts that see exactly what it was. Um, you're you're you're in the Rocky Mountains, You're in an area that's that's getting pretty dank, cold and in the fast. Majority of wildlife migrate out of those higher elevations. And this is probably February is or so, probably near this peak snowpack, and just it just to see the impressions there are just big oval type of impressions and snow a relatively at three to full of foot ish type of um distance. By that being said also, I mean it's something is stepping that you would expect maybe some toad rag dragons of snow, and we didn't. We just slowed down. We went past those area that area, once turned around, came back and I just uh to specifically look at those impressions in the snow. It could have been a deer. They should not have been deer up there, not to say there wasn't um most like, they not up They don't typically hop like that, especially in snow environments, so they'll file their way through. There's biason up there, there's moose, but same thing. They're big, strong, animals if they're living up in that there there's plowing a trail through that. Oh yeah, definitely they're not.

12:46 They're not hopping or postal on um stov stotting or something like that. So again, it was just it was just an observation driving to Yellowon Park in an area that there there is recent history of experiences. Again, act a little. What it was. I I didn't get out and look specifically as it a five track, five tube, eighteen inch track and this riot. It was just like it was probably sub zero and you're like, I'll stay in the car. Yeah exactly, And and I've I've kicked myself in the butt ever since, and I should have got out at least stick my nose in one of those suits. Looks like right, and you never know, right, And that's It's a lot of people probably the same thing.

13:31 You see some of these videos online. And why didn't they why they stopped film and why didn't they chase it or pursue it. They didn't go look at tracks. Well, I didn't see a creature. I don't know what made those I just stills impressions of nones in and autie um. So that being said, those are more my miscellaneous, but I'll start focusing a little more on some of the more regional and closer to my part of the world. Western Already in western Washington, one of those uh Mount St. Helens, Mount Saint Helen's mad out. I'm Roger Patterson lived in Yakimal, which is right in that same region, and that's doesn't really make a whole lot of difference. I guess he did like research the U so along the Columbia River. And I don't know how many livist listeners you have here and how many wild see this later. I don't know how many live in the Pacific Northwest, how many you are familiar with what all goes on out here.

14:20 Some will probably know more than others, And I don't know it all by anything. Along the Columbia River there was a local little newspaper. This probably would have been late sixties, and uh, and my grandparents lived up there in a little town or a little outs out in the country. Outside of the little community was Washington and uh my dad had gone to high school up there and all that, And I remember the little local paper one day had a sketch drawing of one of the local guys who coincidentally, my dad got to school. What it said. He's always kind of a cookie dude. But um, He's driving up the highway on the Washington side of the Columbia River, which is the Columbia River Gorge. It's a big beautiful natural feature.

15:03 And in the fog in front of him he sees something lane across the road, thought as a tree and as he approaches it, so this is this is the Skimmannity County, WI. Scimmunity County has a has a law that is illegal killed a saucequatch. And this is something I kept from around the sixties or early seventies as a communite county ordinance or whatever. It's illegal to kill sausquatch and community County Washington m So along the highway along the Columbia River. And then guy my dad and down to school with and send Pete wrote it up in the paper. He'd drive along he sees something looks like a tree land across the two lane remote little highway in the dark, and as he in the fog and as he approaches, the thing continues to walk across the road. So so the paper comes out. They have a little sketch mighty Head's huse and my dad gees and I know that guy. He's kind of a beautfy dude in high school. But as a result of that, and there's been a number of sidings along that section of them. Remember the highway sixteen or something, I can't read the highway number on that side of the Columbia. There's been a number of sidings in the Columbia River Gorge on that highways as well as across the Columbia River, which is a very large river on the Organ side. It's a major interstate freeway I eighty four.

16:12 And there's been sightings on both sides of the Columbia River on these highways and freeways over decades. So but at that location, where in the narrow that location where my dad's old high school buddy seeing this preacher, someone made a big plywood cut out. And so again we're talking. This is probably right around late sixties, nineteen seventy issue. And I've looked before. My dad took a photo of it. Yeah, I think he used to make the slides out of these. I looked several years ago. But they made this big old cutout right at that crossing. So on that highway in the Washington side, there's this eight foot plywood cut out of a big foot and it was it was there for several years. It was really cool. I wish I could find the picture because Dad wanted to take a picture of me one day next shot, I scared to death guilt next to that thing and give my picture taken next to this big foot gut out. But I just remembers just this big kind of rudimentary kind of painted up plywood cut out silhouette or bigfoot was sided and cross the highway on Highway sixteen, Highway eighteen on the Washman side. So so that's uh, so that's going back to you know, just a little bit of that history again is just kind of a neat little thing. So um. But right around that time, my my uh father and I went up to Mount Saint Hims Matt Adams. Uh.

17:25 That's also there's a wilderness sary idea called the Indian Heaven Wilderness, big time Huckleberry piking again, a huh bigfoot history from over the years. Uh, over the years. I'm talking over a couple of generations. So um, right around as I'm looking, my day's right around in June at nineteen seventy one. Uh, my dad and I we were driving around. We just he had a he had an old a Ford Bronco. I was just we'd taken out the mountains all the time, and he used to run around that country quite a bit. And you know, he grew up there hunting and fish and just chasing around, just you know, getting in trouble. And this it's one of the more significant in my early stages of the interests and big Foot. Remember we went up on an old logging road on a north slope and we came up to the kind of the uh, the top of the clear cut. It's all north slope and there's snow on the grounds.

18:17 And that's why it was. It was early enough of the year that we could access all the roads to get up there. But um, but it was also i mean just late enough the year we could do that because the roads are melted out. But it was early enough in the year. There's still a big snow bank on that north slope with this u this ridge or mountain we were on and we parked the jeep or the broncho and as we get out and I'm young, I'm seven as years old, or something like that, six seven eight, and we get out and they're there are these impressions all up and down this slope and I guess, going from recollection is two hundred yards long, maybe three hundred just open slope had been logged and the snow was probably anywhere from inches deep to maybe a foot or two, where there's these huge impressions that went down and up like three or four times up and down this slope. It wasn't people. They were melted out, and my dad's reminded as well, but it was just the location the size of these melted out impressions in the snow. They were very consistent. I don't remember this dried length or whatever. Um. And again you talked about deer earlier and they're post holing and jumping. A deer didn't jump all the way down the hill and jump back up and jump back down that hill three or four or five times. And these impressions of tracks, which again makes doesn't make any sense to this day on what made him and why. But they just went up and down this big north slope snow bake three or four or five times like all of it. Um, It was just it was weird. It was just they were big, big, melted out impressions in the snow. Someone didn't walk up and down that thing. And if it

19:48 was a big foot, why he walked up and down that thing? Who knows. Um, it's just something that's always really stuck in my mind. So what does that do to tier thinking in that moment when you like where you you freaked out or really like trying to have no idea what's going on? So that and great question. Um so when I was younger in that age at six seven eight and gett Roger Patterson and get one that that film coming out in sixty seven sixty year when it was because they failed and ran and all over the place. Um, I was terrified of the woods, and I was I spenci. I love gunning the outdoors from camping with my dad. So um it didn't help. I had a tough time whenever we went out. We had a little a little tent trailer occasion, we had ten camp whatever. Um I just and I was, I had a tough times camping in the woods. Um the daylight, I was fine. Whenever started getting dark. I just I didn't said tough time sleeping. So so that experienced there. Again, that's the only thing I could think of.

20:41 It was a big foot. So my dad's one of those naysayers, and to this day, you know, he's and I'll get into some stories here all a little bit later, some of the years that are like the Freeman location, all that was a lot of time in lag country. My dad has never seen or expariss anything to even give him an inkling of belief. Um So even with those tracks, and we've talked about those in the past, he's, you know, he he he doesn't know what the heck they were. Obviously he at that point he was in his mid thirties or whatever. But now I was. I can't say I got any more scared, but I just kind of confirmed a little more that I can't sleep and out when I'm Captain of the woods. It's just kind of what that came to you, right, Yeah, it's like a long time to get over that.

21:26 I'm bad man. That's funny. Yeah, So it's it's it's it's a definitive note by any means, but anyway, it was just it's another one of those little memories of personal experience. I just random and there. To this day, I really couldn't can't explain now how big the snow field was. Again, I know it would have been right around in June at twenty of that of that year of again round necess eventy one. So just because of the snow commissions and all that, Um that makes a list sense to me. What made tracks up and down that hill three or four times? Yeah? None, at this point we'll never know, but um, something's made more sense than others. Um. So up in that same country.

22:07 Um so my step brother Brian he uh, my my parents divorce realized three Dad got remarried a couple years later, and so my step brother Brian. Uh, they had some I can't remember why, but they had some family I think a relations up in the Yakima area, which same that Mount say Helens, Mount Adams and Yakimoles with Roger Pattison about being them both lived. Bob stilled it. So somewhere right around the early seventies. Um, there's a pass when you're coming from Oregon and having a cross go cross country, you go through a big Indian respiration over this It's called Sada's Pass, and it's not real high, it's thirty five feet whatever and dropped down the backside to the reservation. You hit a couple of communities to get to Yakima.

22:53 So uh. And again this is just from him. They're driving back in the dark. Here's with his father. So this is after mom and his mother and his father had separated. The course, I think his mom and my dad might have been remarried by then. But they're coming back through that area at night, and I'm just looking at my notes, kind of refreshed my memory on it. Late at night, driving back from Yakhim out of Portland in that status past area and something large across the road in front of two lakes. Wow. And once again, these these are areas that aren't random. These are all areas that have a history and that and that's all it was. And the dark, young kids with their father and something something on two lakes across lakes, cross the road in the dark in front of them, And that's about all I got on that one. The kind of beast thing about these stories, like stories like this, is that the people in these stories have nothing to gain by sharing these stories, Like they're not going to become famous or get tons of money, Like they're just sharing.

23:56 Hey, this happened to me, and like, there's thousands of these. Yeah, it's it's crazy. Yeah. And I'll even get a couple of those here. I've got twin brothers that are really good friends. But one can't tell the story to the other because the other one laugh at him. But we'll get to that in a bit. So these are then these are best my best friends. So um but yeah, and that's it. That's these stories have been shared with me just over the course of time, and most of them have never been shared beyond me. Um, and that is just because they're experience, is that most of them really had spent more. They've spent no more time you've been thinking about them. So this kind of added randomly. Um. So uh. I moving forward, I'm up in that same Mount Saint Helens Mount Adams country, So another one. No again, I keep mentioned Mount Saint Helens Man Adams. That's kind of the reachion I'm working on here. But um, my grandpa grew up in working the coal mines in Pennsylvania back when he was younger, moved out here, he got married to my grandma. Start of their family, my dad and then his sister and my aunt. But my my Grandpa just he he loved hunting and fishing. And I'm talking to your soccer and now probably the forties, fifties, sixties, and um, there's a whole different world out here back then as it was it you know, entire country, in the entire world. So uh. But Grapapeat loved to get that in the outdoors.

25:17 And I remember him telling me a story once and he did this, he had we've he and I never talked big foot, sauce, watch, whatever, but he has told me a story. It's a little interesting, and he's hunting from that same country. Um, this was back in the early days, just like Bluff Creek in California when that road is finally being encroached on, taking the bulldozers in building roads, logging whatever. And I, um, I've heard things about like this, the different pitch One National Forest for him in St. Helens that there was a pamphlet put out and this kind of relates. But pamphlet put out two employees back in the fifty sixties. If you ever encounter anything you can't explain, do not share it with anyone. Something along those lines, because this is uh, this these are forests and mountains that were just starting to be again encroached on so um, not a lot of people, not a lot of roads, and a lot of access and logging just starting to happen. So and they've been for trappers one hundred years prior too. But so my grandpa's out hunting somewhere up in that country. Um, whether it's deer or elk, I don't know, most likely yell and he the story told and he shall miss story thirty forty years ago. But he's hunting. And there's a that's heavy timber, very heavily thick forested out here in this in this part of the west. And uh, he sees a bear and we have a we have a bunch of bears. I here a ton of black bears, one hundred tens of thousand, one hundreds of thousands. Sees a black bear. There's a little stream crossing with a log on it. He's watching this bear and he's gonna shoot

26:47 it. I'm kind of surprised because back in that day they shot all us anything they could and as the bears, and I don't know what the distance was, and he was fifty yards, if he was two hundred yards, its heavy enough timber in that country probably wasn't. It wasn't. Half a mile out is reasonably somewhat within the range of clothes. So as he's watching this bear, and if I recall correct them and Grandpa had an old thirty thirty that did not have a scope on it matrification, he's just shoot an iron sight. So he's just looking at it ey'd eye. So this bear approaches this log, stands up on its hind legs and walked across the log to go across the streak. And uh then after that, I had whatever dropped to all fours whatever. But um, you know that's been thrown out there for years. Oh you saw a bear or whatever walking on shige legs.

27:30 Well, the bears don't tend to hunt walking hind legs. And if the bears approaching the log, he saw on his all fours walking across. But that's just one story that always stuck with me. Like grampaup Pete told him told me years ago, I think he wasn't thrown out there. I think he had a big foot siding. He just saying it was kind of a weird thing. He saw bears walk into the woods. He's looking at a thing of shooting another thing stands up on its highd legs and uh. And you hear stories of a big foot on all fours, typically more in a scurrying type of a man or whatever. It's just it's just another story, one of all these stories of Yeah, it's just some for the for the notes and for the record book. That's And again he made no references. He was from. He's at old school and worked in the woods a lot growing up. I like working the mines back in the coal mines and all that comes out here, and worked for the county part and spent a lot of time in the woods. He didn't say anything it might have been a big foot. He just told me a story about it bear that stood on his sign links I across a log across the creeks. Really weird.

28:25 Yeah, and so that's why I threw it Aftercally makes no sense to me either. But what in the world? And he didn't make it up? Yeah? Why, I mean, there's no reason he would he would make that up, like right, So it was just a random story he told And what the what the what even got him onto that topic? And again this is going back. He's passed away a number of years ago now and whatever whatever he brought that subject up, I don't even recall, but that was what he had for me. So and again up in that same area. Um, just going back shoot forty five years from you on now and this is this could have been a bear or whatever, but there was a group of lakes up there for long. There's actually a bunch of la drill popular camping and fishing. Again, this Indian Heaven Country was just between Mount Saint Helens and Mountain Adams neat beautiful country, a lot of volcanic history and all that. We're up there one evening, my dad, my stepmother, my step brother, and sister and I get up kind of on a log landing another kind of an older clear cut and I heard a moan in the distance. And now I've heard a lot of bear's moan and they're pretty vocal sometimes as well. And this could have very well been a black bear.

29:34 But I'm again We're up in some of the more active, I guess or historically active big Foot areas. And I went running back my dad because I kind of walked away from where we parked at the end of this trail or at the end of this road and kind of got out of the edge of this log landing. It was it was late in the evening, it was probably the last half hour daylight. And again this is again, this is an experience of mind, very active it all. I have no idea it could what it was. It wasn't a there are those, no movies. Wasn't an elk or nothing. It's just a moan. And I was a young kid back then again very scared a big foot, very into big foot. We heard this, just this moan off in the distance, just kind of a ballowing, echoing moan, and go running back my dad about fifty yards away, and do you hear that? Then we heard it once again.

30:18 Um so again as I put together my my notes so to speak, of stories and experiences and whatever, this one I just added to. It's just again, that was a long time ago. I had not been I wasn't so wilderness an outdoor savvy back then. But it was just a moan to this day, and no one what bear sounds like when they're making they make some of their mating moans, and so they make a lot of calls. The only thing I could have think it was outside of anything else. It could have been a bear moaning in the evening. It's just communication whatever. Um. But the sound I remember hearing it wasn't it was a wow. It echoed enough because it was a distance away. Wasn't a screamed by any mean, It's just a moan earthwise and uh, you know the hill and what it was. Again, it could have very easily been a bear.

31:03 That again my recollection, that doesn't. I don't remember it sounding like when I typically have heard from bears in the forest and the noise that made over the ears. But again that's all I've got on that. I can't tell you one way or the other one actually heard wasn't a person, It wasn't an elker, dear anything else. But yeah, yeah, so I'm not guaranteed aren't thingum, So that being said, UM. A little north of that the Cascade Mountain Range, which runs from British Columbia, Canada, down through Oregon and then it does kind of become the Sierra of bad As as you get into California. The Cascades have a lot of history up and down them, and there a rugged mountain range for the most part. A lot of volcanoes are on an edge of a talk tectonic plate. Um.

31:45 Some friends of ours, well and Julie, I'll call them, which is that that isn't a name. Uh yeah, so okay Um. And that's as far as I go there, And it doesn't matter right, And this is a random thing too. Someone asked, going back just a couple of years ago, made four five, say years ago? Someone says you need to talk about to Will about their experience. And it's not like I go out there trolling for information from friends and acquaintances or my wife and I and a lot of friends and family or social get out about it. But I got to talk to Will. So next time we saw willum in his and Julie's early days. And I don't have a specific time. I would say this is probably in the nineties roughly. Um, they were up in the I can't remember exactly what past. You have a couple of major passes in Washington go from the Seattle to Coma area over to Yakama heading to spill Cam and all that. I think it'll snow called me pass. But I can't be a one hundred percent shirt um. But they had a truck at a Camper and pulled over at this past one night and again up in this country that even recently there's a lot of activity. Um, So they're in the camper um and there's a little gap between the the truck um and the camper and again how much it could have been a couple inches whatever. In the middle of the night, there's something reaching between their camper in the cab of the truck. Pickup's rummaging around in there, and they can tell by how

33:19 far as reaching it is, reaching in a long, long ways between the cab of the pickup and the camper, and and woke them both up and then want what the heck? Who's strewn around all of this? But it was it was just kind of ominous and ear enough form that they just kind of held tight. Again, I'm kind of filling in the blanks here. I can't recall it all the exact details. So um in the in the morning, Will goes out there and he finds um long red hairs and he said they're long and they stalk, and he's he's told me he feel I've got them in an envelope somewhere. I don't remember where they're at, and I want to go find I gotta go dig him out sometime, but just long red hair, something digging in there between the camper and the the cab of the truck and long hair red stinky red hairs as a result of it.

34:04 So, but that being said, just that story alone made him a believer. And um, I didn't talk with his wife Juliet time they're together, Not that that matters, but anyway, just another one of those little story things. It's just kind of randomly, Hey, you gotta talk to Will about it. This story, man, that's a story. And all of a sudden he's he's a believer in Bigfoot. So that one is really interesting. Um Man, you said he he held on to him or yeah, he's he's got hairs about him and it envel upe somewhere. I had this conversation with him as a couple of years ago. Now I went four or five, six years ago. I can't recall. Um, and we're and we're we're friends of acquaintances. Is not like we hang out, buddy, buddy. I haven't seen her talking him. Um, but I had told him I go find that HNG envelope. But whether or not, and he's, yeah, he's got his trials and tribulations of life, just like all of us, I guess. So it's probably it's just again one of those people that probably I had just that one particular experience in encounter and I'll never forget it but move on the f life as well. But if Will does happen to find the envelope with the hairlot, there is a rock and bigfoot DNA study that's happening down in the North Carolina state. Really I believe it's North Carolina state. Uh, and they are taking all sorts of evidence.

35:20 Uh. It was announced today a smoky friend, well all message, Yeah that's interesting. That's hey, hey willite can across that up envelope, But yeah, I'm kind of curious as well's yeah yeah. Um So anyway, like I said, that's uh, that's the extent of that story. But still it's intriguing again moving on. Um So I mentioned earlier my step brother Brian um who had one him and his bad and I think the sister with something across the road at between Yachmon Portland years ago whatever. But his uh, his older son and and I forgot about this one, but and he just threw this aut me randomly several years ago as well. But he's his friends parents. I think they hit one with their car, and I don't exactly what or where or whatever. I don't know. And again it's just a random conversation my nephew and I had several years ago, but it is. And they live up in the uh they're all up in this kind of the Seattle metropolitan area for the most part. But um, my friends parents think they hit one of the car ones. That's kind of that's like a huge statement to the core out like I need I would love to try to talk to him, like that's wild and and who and whose friend?

36:32 How much I question wanted It's not like I'm trying to get all right, and I got to go there tomorrow, and yeah, review the location. Even I was twenty five years old or whatever, you know, it's I can't remember. I don't even I really honestly, I don't even remember that conversation outside of I've just kept these notes over the years, and all of a sudden, Matt came up. So that topic. So, um, who the friend was, where it happened, how long ago it happened, I don't know. I mean, after all this, after we have this uh follow up with any any details you want me to try and gather at glean for you. I'll do what I can. Can't guarantee it on a thing, but you know, who knows. Maybe maybe i'd get all the Creton's buddies, friends or parents and you can't up with them. That's I feel like. I feel like if you're gonna say, yeah, we're pretty sure we had a big code with their car, you probably have more details, Like that's not just a sure sentence that you would you'd throw out without having more stuff to back. And that's interesting. Yeah, So whether the whether the Creton's friend was with the parents and he was there when it happened, and then the friends said, hey, Creton, I think we had a big foot last night. And then create years later tells me Uncle Rick that my friends parents think they hit a big foot. So I don't know how you know how how this defin They didn't make it up. The Creton's friend didn't make that up to him. But um, again, that's that's all I've got for you at the moment. Wild Um. Then finally, as far as the Mount St. Helens country goes Mount Saint Helen's Mount Adams, I said, no, gentleman, that's a prominent but it really stays

38:04 below the radar here gentleman by the name of Joe b Lart. I was like, he's gonna say b Lart, He totally is, because Oregon big Foot Highway is suns really good. Buck. Yeah, I actually haven't seen it yet. Um, I want to. I want to get it, and Cliff no, I've got no places. A couple of places can get it, but I want Joe to sign it for me. Yeah, you got personally, I suppose because because because I think Cliff has him signed by Joe, but I don't want to get one signed anonymously. I'll want Yeah, I want to hold Joe's hand when he signs the name thing for me. So um. So anyway, that Beian said, I haven't seen it, but so um years ago and heck I'm looking now. Heck this is back in oh six, I guess, so seventeen years ago. It doesn't seem that long. Um, But I've been a communication so with Joe UM and Cliff back then, and I'm not buddy buddy with these guys, just random emails back of the day as I've met him both on a couple different occasions over the years. Um, but yeah, back in uh oh six and it's probably the winter of out five, early oh six, as an emailing with Joe might have been before even facebooks because we're friends on Facebook too.

39:06 But Joe goes, hey, this is how would you like to be involved in a camp out? This is a Scookum cast. You're familiar scoopkum past cast? And oh yeah, yeah so and how many again how many listeners are right now? I don't know, but hopefully tons? Yeah, tis so and this is right after so Scookum cast must have been oh four or five, maybe I remember the exact year, but it was prior to this, so because I've dated here of June of l six, but because that's when I was up there or we were up there. So so the previous winner Joe's hey, how'd you like to be part of a big foot camp? Un so cool? We'll give me your address, so he's so. A couple of days later, I get I get this mailing. It is a pamphlet. It's an envelope about an inch thick. What the heck did Joe Bieler send us? And this was like a disclaimer it was on and on and on, And what they're trying to do is kind of create some kind of a habituation up near Scuoka Meadows for summer, and they wanted people to occupy the specific camp spot throughout the all summer long, and in different groups. We can commit two days, three days, a whole week, a whole month, whatever, but they just wanted to have a continual occupation of this camp site. So that unless I started reading this documentation.

40:15 We had two young boys then in a young chocolate lab and I was reading. I said, oh, Craft, they want to scope there. They want us to go up there alone. That would be a big, big shin dig of five ten, fifteen twenty big foot enthusiasts. Oh no, we gotta go to Scuober Medals to camp out by ourselves Craft, Honey. So we end up doing it and uh at a great time. And actually, actually I mentioned I've got some photos since things there. But um, there's another gentleman. Do you know Rick Nole? That ring a bell? Yeah dude, well I don't. I've never met Rick Nol and I know how he's involved with things. Yeah, totally. So um, so we go to scooping medals, like I said, and this was this would have been in the winter that we were making these arrangements to participate, so we picked us. I had four or five day window. I came around up there, so up our trailer up and had this physics spot to go camp and all that gated road behind, had my mountain bike, had the young Lab chocolate lab, had my boys wore. So that we're seventeen years ago, so like seven and five, I guess, and we feel far around for a couple of days. I went out and did some wood knock and all that and um, but right up behind our camp up a logging road, there's a lot of old log of history up there. And uh, right up behind camp you go one hundred two hundred yards up it's gated and probably hundred yards from camp on the road I'm off the main forest road that we camped. There's this. There's this very rough copy of a sign.

41:37 There was a rough sketching of a big foot I used to call it, and I can't share with you now, but it's something that I've got it right here. Um historical big Foot activity zone and underlined and bold letters be aware. Is not how I go riding up behind camp. All a sudden, this is yeah, bit, this is signed there, and she decided to go give why if you get the kids come up and I took picture and all those really pretty cool, so I knew we're the right we're camping the right spot anyway. Um. So one of I think our last morning, there was a road that kind of continued to the east from our camp, and I took the young lab out had to go. We went out in them early in the morning. Everyone's still crashed out and we probably went about two miles up. This is a good gravel road right goes right up along scoop Ga Meadows, think a mile and a half two miles. It's gated and there's a sea. There's a season on gate. It could open close. So a dog and I go up there. Then we got up to a side road and I'd love exploring again that there's a lot of help sign up in there. I just you know, always thinking it hunt and I don't I don't love to kill, but I loved it hunt and pursue and be out there. So we took this little side gravel road and went up there little ways half miles shown us get to the point where we're about ready to turn around the pub. She's she I don't know. She's five six seven months old and just full of p and vinegar and energetic and bouncing all over. And so we've been gone an hour or so, an hour and a half and go up the side gravel road. It's all flat.

43:09 It's just kind of a high valley scookin meadows there and meadows and swampy stuff all around. And you go up the side road and there's a little cut bank on the right hand side of the road. As I'm as we're wandering through there, I looked up on it and I go, you've got to be crap. And I didn't say craping, but you be crap. And up on the side hill, um, this is cut bank, maybe five or six feet tall. There is this impression. You couldn't see the heel side of it so much, but the upper front port part there's there's an impression seventy inches wide with toe indentations on it. One flat impression. Walked into this cut bank going up and I got you so had I had my phone with me. I think it's a phone might have who knows, I've could have been digital camp. I probably was the tatual camera. Put my foot next to it, took a couple of pictures, and all in my young lab. She's bouncing all the place. I'm getting a little tick.

44:06 I didn't bring a leash for because nowhere didn't be leash. She didn't get more than ten twenty feet for me. But she's just jumping all over, up and down my legs and I'm afraid scared of this. She's going to jump on this. And this impression was um, it was like it was on wet a wet substrate or you know, wet kind of a hill and it now was bone dry. It's again it's probably in late June, and it was pretty. It was not a fresh fresh impression had been there for a while, but it was soft enough that this impression had been made there with it looked like you can count five toes on it. Um and you just see it the forefront of it again. That just kind of the way the look, the way the impression was the backs. I didn't leave a whole lot, and uh, I said, you gotta begin, man.

44:49 This the second dang big foot track walking up this embankment one step and then up on top of the cut bank, um and dogs bouncing all over. I'm trying to take a picture and she's jumping around because all she wants to do is love and play and jump on you. So it took a few pictures from my foot next shot. Then we bailed out of there and meet our two two and a half mile track back to camp. I told my wife about it, and I had some cashing material, but it was just far enough away and I question it. There are some things about the track I wandered about, and I saw a lot soum got back home that night. The following day emailed Joe Blart, sent up picture. He was holy crap, says and I had heard of Rick Noel's name. I've never met him before and didn't hadn't heard a whole lot of one of those guys again, kind of another radar. So we made arrangements two weeks later to meet Rick Nolan and this in the middle to give her pinch on National Forest.

45:37 It's actually, I mean, of all the time we'd spen up there, we'd seen like two vehicles and four or five days of camping up there. It doesn't get a whole lot of traffic. So wife and I went up there like on a Thursday or Friday, and met Rick up there and and walked in there. Well, there'd been some thunderstorms, so it's not summer thunderstorms up there, and h and I told him I was a little concerned. Now he's come from the Seattle area, and he didn't seem to be asked concerned. I said, man, I know it's we can some pretty good thunderstorms and some pretty good showers out of him. I didn't think you'd be an issue. Well, we make the stroll back up in that area, and again I said roughly, it's like I said, it's all good. Gravel force rods his gait. And as we got back up in there and in that in addition to that, there's a lot of growth. There's some of the mountain looping. It was a cool flowering plant and some other stuff. So as we got to that cut, man, I guess I can swear this where it was, and you can maybe see a little im fresh and little definition where I thought this might have been it. And and Rick was up there, he's walking around. He walked up on the cut bank and looked back in there and all that he is telling us all his stuff and tell us some about some of the different to us tracking methods that are kind of cutting edge back, and then some different things are playing with whatever. But again it's just that what I saw the two weeks previously as there, we just could not find it well. I took pictures of what I thought was it, and as I came back home, compared to pictures, yeah, we were the exact same location where the impression was just the rain from two weeks earlier. And again one of the little plants, they're

47:10 a little loop and it went from this to like five or six inches, so it was the same exact plant they'd grown as the same thing as just the thunderstorms. The summer thunderstorms had just come. Who knows you need a half inch inch or two a rain in a short period of time than that happens. So we were right there, just there was nothing for him to really see outside of the photos I'd taken a few weeks ago. But I said, Joe Bieler wasn't excited enough to send Rick Nol up their mew with it. But it just, you know, summer thunderstorms kind of exactly what it was I don't know. I'll say the pictures sometime, but it's yeah, that would be awesome. And you have pictures of the sign too, Yeah, oh that would be so cool. So was this after? So this this would have been as Okay, the Scoogum cast was cast in September of two thousand, Okay, so this is like a few years after that.

47:58 Yeah, yeah, yeah, I knew it was after. I didn't just attle bit six years. Yeah. Yeah, it's not tip end. That's really that's such an interesting story, Rick like way, anyway, so I had to jump the Joe, the Joe Bieler name. That's awesome, dude, that's an amazing like talk about my being involved with Rick Noll and that for Bigfoot history. That's really cool. Yeah, he didn't just be seemed to be too terribly impressed with at all, but the fact that he just kind of missed the boat by two weeks. And again, I don't know what I found there, but yeah, when you see the pictures, you might how how close to the did you work? Were you aware of where the site of the actually Scuoko and Castro Sure, I think we were with in less than a mile. I think it was the road slightly to the south of where were camped. That we would have driven by, um as we were closed on and we were we were camped right next skick Meadows.

48:52 UM so sore that the where that that cast was made was not in Scooko Meadows is on off the side of the road near by. But now I'm thinking, I'm thinking we're where we were camped. It was all triangulation wise. That's amazing. That's such a cool, cool story. Yeah, it was just kind of like I said, it's Joe b Alart connects and all said, Okay, that's cool. Joe worrying with Joe b Alart that he says it's this thing and we gotta camp by ourself. We're not part of a big camping Okay, great, whatever. But we survived there, and I and I may have found the track. So I've got plenty more. Are you still with me? I'm still with you, dude. I mean, dude, I've been doing this for five years. I'm still don't That's honest. I'm gonna switch regions now, all right, this goes to the northeast Oregon, southwest or southeast Washington. The WEENAHT two Cannon wilderness area.

49:46 This is Paul Freeman Country, yeah, dude. And uh, the Milk Preak Watershed And again I'll go as chronologically as I can with this most of this pretty much. So first of all, the Milk Preak water Shed is uh, um the watershed for the city of Wallah, Wallah and Paul Freeman they they've patrolled it, um for for decades ectually people out of the Milk Creek Watershed and uh, it's a water purity you know whatever. In Walla Walla. It's not a huge town, and it means it's grown tremendously in the last generation or so. But um, they just protected it like crazy. Yeah. Yeah, And Paul Freeman was a what they they have water watershed patrollers. So it's it's close the public entry the watershed is and it's a it's a hole. It's uh. They give out elk tags um in a Stratles Oregon Washington border. They give it at elk tags, which are very highly coveted elk tags because they just give out a few. So the yelk and grow these the bulls and they grow big mature because they're they're lightly hunted. No one's in their bugget them all. You're you have like five or seven days out of the year that they have these hunts in there, and um and they're very difficult tags. Again, they just again, they just allow a handful of hunters in there. So it's just a coveted tag. People sneak into poach because these big mature bull elk they out in there. Um. And so they've got these patrol riders at um um spot and scope say ride horses to the watershed. They patrol the boundary. That's this big rugget country. You get along the upper perimeter of this, the canyon drops off like it's that's sixty seventy. I've always joked, you don't

51:16 want to drop your bowling ball out here because you'll never get it back right and it drops. These canyons dropped two or three thousand feet deep. It's just big beautiful country. Um And obviously what an ideal area for anything to live and not be bothered. So Paul Freeman was a one of the watershed patroller, a four service employee watershed patroller, and this is where he had deciding while he was employed by the four shop. See, he may not have been on duty that day. I don't recall it exactly or a couple of times he's had encounters or sidings whatever. But but I fortunately I got to grow up. So where the watershed is on the crosser roof from there is this big weldness area is one of the first world of this series in Oregon, though we don't have Two Cannon Wilderness. Once again, no roads us. It's opened a public untry, but it's by trail only. You can't take bikes in there. You can't take a chaine and stop. You can you can you can hike it or ride at bikes. And again very rugged country, this beautiful, awesome country, and there's just a bunch of history. If their big foot so um And I was fortunate because that's where my dad was hunting back in the days um. He had applied for that Milk Creak watershed tagging about every ten twelve years he get the tagged hunt in the milk Creak water ship. And my uncle had horses and if they weren't hunting in this watershed, they were hunting over in the wilderness on horses.

52:25 They pack in eight or ten miles in the middle of the wilderness. And said, I was just fortunate being back in my early days on I got to go hunt in this very remote pristine country in northeast Oregon. So um, some friends of my grandparents, Jean and Zola Howard. And again this this is going back decades um the watershed Rider back and I'm looking this it must have been in the seventies of the guy by the name of Red. And then this is this is kind of a secondhand story from this Gene and Zola that they told my dad when he was younger than my dad told me, but Geane would be in the hunt drought things alluded, but they knew Red the watershed Rider from Milk Creek Watershed. And uh, this Red Toll, I'll kind of this is kind of ever bade him, I guess more or less. But this Red Toll Geane Morris, he goes Um says he lives, he lives there. This is in the Milk Creak Watershed, talking about Big Flip. He lives there. We know each other. Says I don't bother him, he doesn't bother me. Wow. So that's coming from the seventies Milk Creek Watershed. Now that being said, sidings up there a Milk Creek watershed and then they can climb up out of the watershed and cross the road and be into these other world in a serious, big remote canyons and whatever. And that's where there's been sidings back and forth a couple of years. Again, the watershed is not open um unless you're a watershed patrol rider. Your access and almost sheer round outside of the deep snow winter months.

53:50 So anyway, yeah, that was that was that was what Red head to say. What happened to Red to to make him say that, like that's all? Yeah, and and you when we gotchen like as i've yeah, and um and this Gene and Zola and again Gene and Zola or my grandparents friends that lived up out outside of wash Sugle, Washington. Yeah, um and Geene, I think it was more than the hunter. Hunter was my grandfather. So yeah, what what caused there created that can conversation back in the seventies between Gene and Red the watershed rider high no idea? Um, because because I'm gonna throw a couple of other stories at you have our encounters and experiences in talking and conversations with the these most recent watershed patrollers. Oh okay, who will totally uh, they gat anything you have to say about it, but we'll get to those. So so that's why it was a good thing or kind of doing this region by region. Um So, anyway, that was what we read had to say. We know each other.

54:39 I don't bother him as a mother here later on in nineteen seventy nine, roughly October seventy nine would have made me fifteen, and so um my uncle again, my uncle had horses, him and my father hunting partners or hunting buddies. So we'd drive into this remote little campground on the edge of the wilderness. Then we'd take horses in roughly eight is eight to ten miles high ridge. It's a good, just country, very few people back there. You had the hole, you had a wilderness area. But I wouldn't say to yourself because Elkin is pretty popular back then. Anyone could get a tag. But still it is just kind of unique kind of experience. And here I am a teenager getting the opportunity to go back in there. Um So there's a canyon back in there, and I hesitate to name it, so I won't because there's we have another I have another story that kind of follow along, but you get back in the wilderness. One of the canyons.

55:25 We get back in there on this long ridge and you had some canyons and these canyons are holes. Again, you don't want to drop your bowling ball back there. Um. But my father and I hunched down in the bottom of this one canyon one day and as we were, and you don't go in the bottom these canyons unless you really gotta, because once you get the bottom, you have to get your butt out back to canyon. It's it's not forgiving country. It's beautiful, um. And I was a young kid back then. I'd let you go out there these days, um, just to see it from my perspective and age now, because I haven't and they're probably thirty plush years. But anyway, this particular canyon we're get in the bottom of event and h and again we're elk hunting. And as we're working up the bottom, there's game trails and stuff found, and we're working at the bottom and all of a sudden we get to an area and it's getting the mid mid afternoon whatever weather is really nice for this is late October two when the elk seasons are in the bottom, and all of a sudden, we get to a spot we're we're gonna start climbing back out of the canyon, and I wrecked. I'm talking a good hour high can probably closer to too, because just just it's just a NonStop drying climbing up out of there. And we get to point the bottom, we're all a sudden, all the games sign on Elk sign in particularly, but there's there's all kinds of other stuff from there too, But all of a sudden, that's just the trails just kind of even though there's trails, and there's just like no sign and it became just dead quiet. And I remember to this day, and my dad made the same comment back then. It was just an eerie again, you're you're in the bottom of canyon where the bottoms, the walls on both sides are going up. We're at the bottom of this canyon.

56:55 It just became just an eerie feel down there. And again this will play into another story here in a bit um and Dad made and no birds, it's just no life was just it was just kind of an eerie, dead quiet, silent canyon bottom and uh. And then we proceed to climb out and that was it. But I just remember that because it was just I've never been so tuned in to know, I think that something's watching me or whatever, and whether it's my wife or a big foot or a cougar or whatever, I've I've never had those senses, I don't think. But we're the bottom there, and it's just it was just weird. It was just some weird, dead, calm, silent canyon bottom. So we climbed out of there and that then said, that's really kind of the end of that.

57:39 So a year later, we're back out in that same country again, the end of October night. This has been roughly I think nineteen eighty and this canyon is probably four or five six miles long, and it's just kind of from the headwaters where the drainage Sharks is just kind of worse this way way way down to the river. But we were up at the upper end of the drainage on a pack trail and we're hiking out one day and we got to the the head and we had a breeze kind of coming up that drainage, and we had a section there where we had like an ungodly smell, and it was midday the thermals and all that war the air starting to get warm up, is warming up and rising, but is it's working its way up that drainage. We're going through a little patch of timber, some open hillside, and we got to a section there where it just it was just a deathly stink, gaene stench. There's elk hunters in there. Someone could have killed an elk down on that little patch of timber below us a couple of hundred yards and a couple of days later, the guts and whatever might have been getting rotten, and it might have been, but it might have been just working its way up with that afternoon breeze or whatever. I don't know, but I just always remember that stench coming out of the same canyon that we had this little eerie experienced down deep the previous years. So what it was we smelled, I don't know. The thing is is we walked. We went through about a fifty yard maybe a hundred yards section of this trail, and all of a sudden, we're out of that. So we were within the cone of whatever it's called, the cause of this odor.

59:14 We just kind of went through the cone and walked through it. Within a minute or two and then you're out of it. But it was just kind of it was just kind of stomach for it. Smell. It very easily could have been an elk that someone had harvest down there and clean and then we're just smelling it left because body parts don't think smell a real good if they've been sitting out in the suner aging for a couple of years, especially through outside of your body. So so so yeah, just the stach, the strong smell oft the head of that canyon. You just listen to part one of Rick Rasmer's big Foot Adventures in the Pacific Northwest. We'll be back in about a week with part two. You won't want to miss it. It does get pretty wild. I mean the stuff we've already heard Rick Noel, Paul Freeman related it. It does get crazier though, so make sure you're subscribed so you don't miss out on part two. The whole audio is live in the Patreon already, but we'll be back with part two in about a week. Thanks for listening here at Bigfoot Society. Article is to provide a platform for those that have encountered Bigfoot to share their encounter in a safe and respected environment, but we need to hear your story. If you've experienced something that you just can't explain, please send me an email at Bigfoot Society at gmail dot com. Then we can start the conversation. And I know a lot of you have not shared your encounter at all. It's been twenty years and it's time that you get this off your chest and then you

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