A Hairy Arm Reached in My Tent / Frost Gorilla of Michigan AND MORE!

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Welcome to the Bigfoot Society. In
this episode, I talked to multiple callers

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during the Bigfoot Encounters live show on
the Bigfoot Society YouTube channel. If you've

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experienced something similar to what these callers
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or other cryptis in the same areas, please reach out immediately to me after

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this episode. Remember, your encounter
could be the key to unlocking this mystery

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once and for all, so please
don't hesitate to contact me at Bigfoot Society

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at gmail dot com. Hy is
this Greg Yeah speaking? Hey, this

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is Jeremiah. I would love to
hear what you've encountered. Well way back,

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I guess it's about circa nineteen seventy
three summer thereof I was in a

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tent with my two cousins and older
brother. I was about nine. I

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think my baby cousin was about six, and the two older boys were twelve

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and thirteen, respectively, and we
were camping on my aunt's farms. You

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had a farm in Indiana, Sylvania, and that's home of the actor Jimmy

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Sport And the reason I bring up
his name if he get in the big

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food lore. He's been well known
in the past to have a fascination,

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the lifelong one of Bigfoot, because
in that same area where I had my

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experience, and not that I knew
it at the time. When he was

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a small boy, he used to
go on hunting trips and listen to hunters.

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Subscribed the experiences with Bigfoot in that
area and again as part of the

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Chestnut Ridge, a kind of range
of mountains that extend from there all the

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way down through Tennessee Smoky Mountains and
all that. But it begins at that

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point, and there's been a lot
of sightings apparently there over many decades,

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starting before Jimmy Stuartstime. But I
was aware vaguely of like Planet of the

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Apes about nine years of age.
I knew what a gorilla was from the

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zoo, but I never thought of
one being out in that area. So

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we're camping one night and we're in
a field about a couple hundred yards up

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the hill my aunt's farm. The
only thing up there was like deer and

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I guess casional bear, but you
know, we were not aware, and

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so the tall grass I guess about
three four feet tall in the field.

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We were parked our tent in front
of it that night, and my father

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helped to set it up, and
about thirty feet behind the tall grass was

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a thicket a woods. It was
so thick, Jeremiah, you couldn't like

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really push through it as a person. A lot of thorn bushes and so

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forth is very dense. And that's
important to the story because the next morning,

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about twenty twenty five minutes before the
sun came up, I heard a

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rustling through that tall grass and something
coming through that like tree lined of heavy

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brush, and I got scared,
thinking who would be attempting to come through

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like that? And next thing,
I know, at the top of our

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tent, it had like a zipper
thing, like a mesh thing that I

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guess there was a little bit unzipped
on that side. I see this giant

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hairy arm reaching in a very thick, dark flat black matted hair and just

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a huge, huge hand. And
I just said to myself, looking up,

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you know, my sleeping bag,
that's the large harry arm of a

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gorilla. What's the gorilla doing out
of the zoo? Now, this is

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about sixty miles I guess northeast of
Pittsburgh kind of the thing. So that's

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the nearest zoo there would have been
but my baby cousin I heard him gasp.

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He was about six, and all
of a sudden his hand pulls back,

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or the hand of the eight poles
back. Once that gas came out,

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and I guess it scared it off. But the thing we heard it

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rustling behind us in the tall grass
and went back to that thicket of woods.

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We tried to wake up our brothers
and putting her hands over the mouth

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and saying something's out there. My
brother's like, oh, it's probably just

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a bear, and I'm thinking,
like, yeah, just a bear.

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Even at that age, I know
bear is pretty dangerous thing. But I

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said, well, look, bears
don't have hands. So oh, another

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twenty thirty minutes, the sun came
up and we poked our heads out of

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the tent and looked around nothing about. But when we did get out and

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in the day, like you might
say, we saw a wide four foot

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wide path going in that tall grass, three four foot tall grass be entering

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back to that thicket. And none
of us had ever walked in that grass.

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We're too afraid of snakes, severer
ticks, things like that, rats,

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whatever, and something that pushed that
heavy brush aside. And I remember

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my brother got a real nervous look
my thirteen year old brother, and he

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said, I guess whatever, it
was a pretty big and then we all

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start running down that hill. Tell
my parents, my aunt, my uncle

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down there what we saw. Nobody
believed us. The six year old and

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the nine year old and the older
boys couldn't vouch because they weren't quite awake

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when it happened. Some weeks later. I can't recall exactly when, but

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within that time frame of that summer, there was an elderly couple. It

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was reported in the local news that
we're walking I guess their dog through woods

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nearby, and their dog got chased
off by some large ape like animals.

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We they described. The police at
last went out thinking it was just a

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call. I went out on a
lark kind of a call, not expecting

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to find anything. But they did, and they found some big footprints,

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and so I Antwerput from a local
college was called in, made a cast

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and held it up on the local
six o'clock news kind of thing at the

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end of the broadcast and said,
this could be the possible footprint of a

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sasquatch or which otherwise is called a
bigfoot. And I'll never forget my mother,

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Jeremiah her jaw I just dropped.
She was speechless. She never believed

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me until that point. And then
my father just turned and looked at my

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brother and I and said, you
boys are never going camping Thwarts again.

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That's my story. Great, that's
incredible. I can I ask you a

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few questions about this? Okay?
Was this the area you were camping?

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Was this owned by your family or
this like public? No, my aunt's

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place I was run by my aunt. She lived about two miles off of

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very small road and she lived at
the end of a dirt road. Basically,

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she had a little farm at the
end, and there was like a

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lake or pond that was stocked with
fish and lots of deer there. So

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that would be a possible habitat for
a creature like that. Sure, yeah,

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did you hear anything weird during the
night? Knox or No? But

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it's odd that because earlier in the
summer when we were there, we'd spend

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our summers up there periodically, like
a week here and maybe a week there,

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go up to or three times school
was not in session. We were

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out one time, my brother and
I with a local boy and girl,

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maybe a few miles down the road
and we ran some trails there. Man

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had a lot of acreage and heavy
woods, and there was one trail that

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went down to a stream where we
would fish sometimes. And this is not

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too far away from Punks of Tawny
where Groundhog is in that general area.

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And the point is that we came
back from fishing one time and the older

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two brothers, her brother and my
brother took off down the trail ahead of

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us. So the younger girl and
I, we were about eight nine years

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old at that point. We're coming
back up the trail, probably not long,

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and we thought that and again this
is before the tent. What happened

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in the tent. We thought that
there was somebody following us, but it

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was like to their tour left,
as I recall, like through the trees,

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maybe fifty sixty feet or more.
We kept thinking like every time we'd

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stop something weird hear it would stop, and then we would go, and

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then it would go, and then
we'd try to stop, and we started

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playing a game with it, the
girl and I, and we would like

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run ten feet and stop and then
see if we can catch it sure enough,

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like you'd hear an extra footstep like
the thing got got off guard and

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when we looked it was heavy pines
everywhere we could make out a form hiding

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behind a tree. We thought it
might have been one of the local Amish

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kids playing with us, But the
Armish weren't really allowed to be on other

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people's property without permission, so we
found that odd. We told them my

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answer, well, I'll have to
call local families and say their boys or

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my property to thing without permission.
But looking back on it now and hearing

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about how Bigfoot's parallel and all that, and I'm thinking there might have been

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a big Foot instead. Oh.
Absolutely. Did you ever do any research

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into the area as an adult to
see if there had been other sightings since

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your sighting in that area? Yeah? About five six years ago, I

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got back into a big fortune,
might say, and I got into the

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New Jersey chapter of Can I say
that special organization? Now, I don't

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care what you say, people can
Okay, no profanity, I don't care.

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Yeah, yeah, I'm not trying
to plug. But I became friends

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with the bfro guys New Jersey,
and it was because, oddly enough,

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another tangential story that would be one
of the students I mentored through a He

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was an artistic boy, and for
a program we had, I would have

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to drive him back, and he
started telling me that he was afraid to

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get into the backyard of this wooded
group home they had, and so were

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his staff, and they confirmed it
to me. And I wasn't thinking bigfoot,

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but they started telling me things that
sounded a little bit odd, and

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I started doing some research in the
area, and apparently they had sightings in

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that area neighbors, including reputable people, and I found out some of these

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stories were related to a friend of
mine now who works with the BFRO chapter

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out there, and so he convinced
me to go back and turn and do

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research through their website on the area
where I was. And the area where

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I was, it's not too far
from the Ohio border, and of course,

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I guess you've heard of the Ohio
dressman. Absolutely, yeah, yeah,

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So I have a feeling the same
critter you might say, cryptid,

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And there's definitely a lot of sightings
between that border area, going obviously into

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Ohio and coming into the Indiana Pennsylvania
area that would be known as again the

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top of the Chestnut Ridge, a
ridge line of mountain is that on a

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map starts there and it extends all
the way down to the Great Smoky Mountains,

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but that would be the northern tip
of it, at least in Pennsylvania

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there. And yes, there's been
a lot of sightings. Like I said,

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the actor Jimmy Stewart, as a
kid, was quite fascinated by all

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the stories he'd heard now locally at
that time. I also can recall as

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a child my aunt saying that her
neighbors who had cattle and chickens, I

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would notice, I can't recall the
cattle, but the chicken men. So

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the chicken cages, I should say, kept getting broken into, and they

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never found people responsible for it,
but they figured had somebody had to have

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a lot of strength to rip open
the cages. And then I found years

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later for my aunt that she said
some of the farmers up there had admitted

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seeing big footprints in the area,
and so she no longer doubted my story

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either. So I didn't get to
meet any of these people. I knew

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a couple of the farms in the
air. I don't want to mention names

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because a couple are still there,
but their descendants or families, but those

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farms had some of these experiences where
you know, pigs or livestock or even

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chickens have gone missing. That is
wild, Greg. It sounds so it

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sounds like you are I mean you
said you were involved with the BFO,

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right, lightly, Yeah, I
mean the only reason, yeah, I

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got involved was because of this kid. I mean in the back of my

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mind. I mean, all these
decades went by and yeah, just accept

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this. It has probably some big
Harry at Blake animal in the woods.

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But when this young kid was telling
me a twenty year old I guess slightly

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very mildly autistic, so you could
have a pretty good conversation with him and

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what he was describing these loud screeches
and howls and grunts. And then I

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talked to the staff, as staff
admitted to me, they live at the

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group home too, watching over these
boys, and they usually put artistic kids,

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at least in New Jersey and PA. They put them in group homes

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out in wood so they're safer than
not in a city environment. Bad things

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could happen, so it secluded.
But what got me is not only the

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descriptions that he gave me, and
there's a lot of water and streams in

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his neighborhood, but he lives actually
in a pretty somewhat affluent area that group

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home, but the rest of the
houses are affluent, and just one mile

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down the road. And maybe a
few months before he had told me his

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story, there was a woman who
had called the police and she had filled

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out a report and the BFRO listed
the whole report. And my friend who

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took that report for the BFRO,
had told me that, and I got

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to know him because I have researched
bigfoot in that area and I found that

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and there was a report of a
woman reporting to the police, and she

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lived in a nice house. Let's
say one of the staff members knew who

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it was. I said, oh, yeah, I had heard about that

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too, like the year before,
months before, And it occurred to me

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that a woman of means, she
had pulled in that night with her daughter

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coming back from like some kind of
a great school play or something, and

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I guess her husband was out of
town. But she pulled into her driveway

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and again this is a rural setting, but saw a large seven and a

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half foot or so harry ape like
animal in her car port, and her

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daughter started screaming and so forth,
and she could see it in the headlights

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and put in reverse and got the
heck out of there and immediately filled out

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a police report, went straight to
the place as matter of fact, and

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police came out. It didn't find
anything, but it sure shook her up.

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And a woman like that in that
kind of neighborhood, I fluent neighborhood,

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They're not going to make up a
phony, baloney story like that,

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And I don't think the staff of
the group had were home would either.

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So that got me back into remembering
my childhood experiences more fully and doing some

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research on my own. That man, that whole area with the group home,

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and then this lady experiencing something that
feels like that's something that could really

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be investigated over the years. It
sounds like you've heard a lot of different

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stories. Have you ever heard anywhere
there was any aggressive interactions or any that

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were you know, like habituating a
certain well certain two parts. I guess

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Tobacca from Star Wars, if you
have this off a wookie, real bad

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or rip off your arms. But
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that they put that in the movie
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Boggy Creek or whatever. I guess
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who helped produce that later, you
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of course. But he later a
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and George Lucas was still up and
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working with Lucas on the first Star
Wars, and he told Lucas about his

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going down to report on these stories
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I mean, the kids will probably
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was born out of that legend of
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fantastic. I'd never heard that connection. That's wild, Greg. But the

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thing is, there are a long
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Luck, Port of Luck I believe
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you know about people finding limbs and
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of the logging crew up out there, the mine crew whatever it was,

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and then eventually scared them off,
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they ended up closing down that that
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whole port, I should say,
but I think that aided the reputation of

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could these things be violent, possibly
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were this kid. The other part
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Maya, is that the kid in
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in the New Jersey Pine bearings,
Okay, because I've moved from Piata to

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New Jersey where I live now,
and the New Jersey Pine Barons have I

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guess everybody knows. And they made
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it, the New Jersey Devils,
right. And the thing is that the

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guys I'm familiar with are part of
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and we have active investigations going on. I'm not a full fledged member.

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I may become one in the future
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my buddies there do a lot of
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the pines. He has a business
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work he'll go out there and sometimes
with his wife and kids, and he's

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had experiences and he knows some of
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he's putting on a couple of shows
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not going to get into mentioning names
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the New Jersey Pines, and I've
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him, my self, Free Knox
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We're making casts now and we have
a guy in North Carolina his sisters.

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do DNA samples from water like with a

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lot of animals, So we're involved
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I'm not official yet, but if
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it might become. So, Greg, are you relatively close to the Vineland

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area, Well, yes and no. I go through there are times,

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but my actual residency yeah, in
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move to North Jersey from Bokus,
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of New York City. Gotcha if
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area. I don't know if you've
heard the interviews I've done with a gentleman

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named swamp Dog from the Vineland,
South Jersey area, But there's some really

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my friends are his friends? Okay? Really? Yeah, there's some really

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interesting bigfoot activity going on south of
the Pine Barans and de Penansually you would

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never know, so just curious if
you had had any interaction with that.

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So that's cool though I haven't personally, but I know of what you speak

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and the guy you're talking about,
and I have definitely heard some interesting stories.

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Now I'm down in the pines about
I come down about every six weeks

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or so, so well, maybe
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get my buddies who go out all
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maybe I can get them to call
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own podcasts too. Yeah, very
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him reach out. You could email
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com. But Greg, it's been
a pleasure chatting with you. Please stay

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in touch. Sounds like you are
probably going to have some interesting things come

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across your plate in the future as
well. But I can already see I've

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got a few more calls that have
come in. But it's been a pleasure

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chatting with you, my friend,
are you too, and good luck and

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yeah, we'll be in touch.
Absolutely, have a good night, sir,

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Jill. What a great first call. Let me check the old Google

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voice here. Let's see what if
we had any thing else? Come in,

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let's see. Oh yeah, we
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see what we got here. All
right, I know this is the boring

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part. Sorries. Guys, I'm
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here we go. Hi, Jeremiah, Hi, This is Jeremiah. Who

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is his? This is Nora.
Oh hey, Nora. Yeah, thank

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you for calling and real quick?
Were you able to fill out the guest

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release for him? I was awesome, perfect, and I didn't see a

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transcription of your voice message. So
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feel free to share what you have
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few questions at the end. Thank
you for calling. Okay, great?

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All Wow? What do I have
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the time you have. All right. No, I actually was directed to

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you, Jeremiah through context when I
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far They Oh yeah, oh yeah, oh yeah, what a brother right,

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oh yeah. So that I'm hoping
will be a multi part in itself

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because it is a lifetime for me. Literally, I'm sixty one years old.

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Recently retired, thank goodness, so
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there and do the research I do. I really am a lifetime researcher because

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of experiences going back into childhood in
Michigan and then I was very blessed to

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be born to parents that My mother
was a teacher, she was a writer.

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We traveled the entire United States back
roads wilderness, learning of wildlife and

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just the whole time we were raised
what people might call up grade or whatever,

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but we were holistic. Even though
my parents did their they had professions

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and all that, and as well
as as kids, we still lived that

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life of the wilderness, the woods
being closed to consuming what you produce,

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hunting fish, so all that all
over the United States. In fact,

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my family is spread out Montana,
Oregon, Washington, all the places of

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all these great Bigfoot stories. And
I recently came back to Michigan connected some

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childhood memories along with relatives, cousins
in this and that in the Mid Michigan

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and northern Lower Michigan area. Of
so many encounters, some of them are

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well known, they're published legends,
things like that, and I just I

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came back for physical healing after some
injuries and this and that, and started

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hiking and getting back into the way
it was for me when I grew up

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here with we always lived way out
in the country. Not farmers per say,

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but semi we were sustenance, so
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own animals like that. Us kids
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days off into the forest, our
own forest, the neighbors, fort wherever,

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snowmobile across the countryside. And that's
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late sixties and seventies, and so
many encounters and so many legends that they

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were so natural to my family,
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the mid Michigan area with the Jibue
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There was so much talk about it
wasn't new to me. When I came

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back and I was recuperating in getting
back out hiking and getting back and I

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went exploring all the places I knew
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all these YouTube channels and people coming
out with the things that I only really

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spoke of in groups or the knowers
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with or grew up with. And
I was so fascinated with the fact that

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wow, this is great. This
is everybody, not just us in this

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little area in Michigan. And so
I've had years, thirty years being back

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here in Michigan working really hard in
my job. But I'm retired now to

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goodness, and using my spare time
to go and follow these pools that I've

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had, and then we go into
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great length offline and somewhere online.
Of these pools I get to areas and

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if anyone watches the December I don't
remember quite when I aired it, just

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released with him my Michigan some of
my experiences. It started snowballing as I

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was talking to him, because there
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legends and the encounters as a child
growing up and hunting and forging all over

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Michigan, it being a natural part
of our life because of like Native American

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laws, we went to howells that
were not like the tourist ones. They

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were true meetings of various clans in
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in. So that was all natural
to me. Then coming back out about

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it now publicly and everything. It
almost seems like I'm trying to convince people

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of legends are true and all that, but there's too many. There's too

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many of us. You, all
the people that call in, all the

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people listening are all have had their
encounters, their experiences. So now it's

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just us getting together as groups.
And then I almost want to break it

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down and categorize it. We have
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hate mentioning dog man, I talk
about Micguil's. I don't want to bring

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forward anything around me that's dark or
anything like that. But we have to

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know that this is everywhere, not
just out in the Pacific Northwest or Texas

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or wherever is. Everywhere are more
than what we think. There are what

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we were raised to think there is. I, on the other hand,

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was raised to know that there is
all of this, So to me it

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isn't a surprise. So I've come
out now, and I want to join

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societies and like get involved in this
research. And I documented videotape. I

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write, and I write and I
write. I have volumes of things I've

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written. I have friends and acquaintances
very select because of the belief set of

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keeping things pure and not contaminated.
When we're looking beyond our mobile belief sets,

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I can get so deep. And
that's what I was saying. We

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could break this down an index like
let's talk about UFOs, so let's talk

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about orbs, let's talk about lights
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It's all there, and honestly,
I've had a lifetime of it and

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through that my family, my friends, you and the society that you have

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created. That's what I want to
join and I want to be part of

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the shares. Absolutely, Nonora,
it sounds like you definitely have had a

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lifetime experience thinking through all of the
things that have happened. Is there one

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that sticks out where it's like,
Wow, this was the time where like

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I became a knower after this particular
situation. I've been asked that a lot

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of the blessed upbringing and where I
grew up and how I grew up and

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the lineage in my family. I
guess when you talk about when do people

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know because of what they've been told
or learned, I guess ever since I

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came I'm at the taal end of
a very large family of kids too,

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and that was another thing about this
area back nine ten kids. There's nothing

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in a family out in the Feign
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My family were loggers. So you
can imagine all the stories you've already

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heard about the foresters, universe encounters. So you can imagine the legend.

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I say legends because that's what people
know. You can imagine the stories handed

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down in my family by the loggers
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Michigan. I can name exact roads
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built, cut down the trees and
built the roads. So the encounters and

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the stories and the hunting camp stories
I grew up with. And we had

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huge hanging camps. And I know
a lot of the michigan Ers Wisconsin,

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everybody will know of these childhood times
that the big hunting get together is and

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nobody come up to the hunting camp
and it's a week, two weeks,

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whatever it is, and everybody's out
there and there's stories, and then there's

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the stories are the ones that aren't
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That's how I grew up. So
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I guess because it just it's and
then experiencing my own I can go back

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to a time the first time when
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own experience where it could be questioned. So I kept it to myself,

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even though I was at the talent
of others I knew did have those.

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But a collective sighting would be when
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driveway in a bitter cold Michigan winter
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of the driveway, very long driveway, passed upond and trees out to this

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rural road in the country a frosty
morning probably and I'm not exaggerating anyone back

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in the seventies knowing Michigan winters probably
fifteen below zero money really, and we

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had school back then. They call
it off now if it's too cold,

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and were we passed the pond,
and we passed where the trees and the

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forest that our house sat back into
where we had these little meadows or fields

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mainly for pheasant bird hunting. We
had a rye field. It was we

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geared our whole area for managing the
wildlife because that was our sustenance. We'd

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get past the forest area and everything's
white those frosted below zero mornings, where

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every single surface is crystalline white,
and our breath is white. Your nose

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hairs are freezing. How your breath
is hanging in the air. We're getting

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off the road and we looked across
the field and there's motion in this white

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frosted coverage of grass and trees with
just all that cross colored whiteness, and

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this whiteness long like looves. And
first, the very first thing, all

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three of our minds, I know
we didn't verbalize it, but I know

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mine was. And then after we
talked later was a deer was laying down

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and jumped up, and it had
laid and got crossed on its back.

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it was not shaped like a deer.

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grass. It was on the edge
of a cloud field that was furrowed in

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the fall for winter. And then
you have a break between fields of like

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tall grass trees, a ditchline drainage, and it was right at the edge

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of that furrow field and that ditch
line with grass and trees in it,

408
00:29:41.319 --> 00:29:45.440
and it popped up, so we
see the frosted back and this brown light

409
00:29:45.519 --> 00:29:49.200
color under the frost. Auto man, if you think it's a deer,

410
00:29:49.240 --> 00:29:56.720
but no, it was much bulkier. It had that frosty shamer on it.

411
00:29:56.759 --> 00:29:59.480
But then when it raised up,
you could see the brown like hair

412
00:29:59.599 --> 00:30:04.680
fur whatever down from it, and
you saw these legs bent like leaping up

413
00:30:06.079 --> 00:30:11.200
in these long arms pushing off from
the knuckles. Like here's what we nicknamed

414
00:30:11.200 --> 00:30:17.880
it, the frost gorilla. Oh
wow, that's really cool. And what

415
00:30:17.920 --> 00:30:21.319
it did is that, I mean, how can it be sleeping in that

416
00:30:21.400 --> 00:30:23.559
kind of temperature? Or maybe it
shut its system down. People can do

417
00:30:23.599 --> 00:30:30.119
that underwater, increasing cold like slow
their system down to where they can get

418
00:30:30.160 --> 00:30:33.799
through that. But maybe we startled
it walking up the gravel driveway. It

419
00:30:33.519 --> 00:30:38.480
jumped up on that. It looked
like a gorilla. It did, That's

420
00:30:38.519 --> 00:30:41.480
why I renamed it that. And
then it leaped up and then it just

421
00:30:41.559 --> 00:30:45.000
did a lung sideways. They didn't
really turn its body around. It just

422
00:30:45.960 --> 00:30:52.359
to the sideways, lunch into the
ditch, tall grass and scrub. So

423
00:30:52.559 --> 00:30:56.240
we're we convinced ourselves it was a
deer, and then the bus comes.

424
00:30:56.400 --> 00:31:00.000
It's out of mind, right,
And some years periodically through our growing up

425
00:31:00.039 --> 00:31:04.400
heres and to get togethers in the
hunting camps. People would bring forward their

426
00:31:04.440 --> 00:31:10.200
stories. It was our great fun. It was our connecting with family members

427
00:31:10.440 --> 00:31:15.480
in US three we were the three
youngest ones actually in this family, and

428
00:31:15.559 --> 00:31:19.319
it was my mom and dad's like
forever retirement place that we built the home

429
00:31:19.400 --> 00:31:23.640
on and got everything set up for
them to just and we talked about it

430
00:31:23.680 --> 00:31:30.240
periodically, and we coined the name
frost Gorilla because no matter how many times

431
00:31:30.279 --> 00:31:33.519
we tried to say it was a
deer that was laying down and got covered

432
00:31:33.559 --> 00:31:37.519
in frost, no matter how many
times we try to tell ourselves that it

433
00:31:37.720 --> 00:31:42.599
was not, and that was like
that was the first visual encounter. But

434
00:31:42.680 --> 00:31:47.880
like I said before, we were
raised up on the stories legends of the

435
00:31:47.920 --> 00:31:52.079
family hunting cab and here's what happened
out here. I can remember our Girls

436
00:31:52.079 --> 00:31:56.319
Scout and Boy Scout camp in mid
Michigan where we actually got taken out of

437
00:31:56.319 --> 00:32:00.759
the camp one time. We were
on a survival being in the upper level

438
00:32:00.960 --> 00:32:07.000
of Girl Scouts cadets, so we
were older like sixteen seventeen, and we

439
00:32:07.000 --> 00:32:12.200
were staying in these cabin tents with
the canvas siding and the wood platforms and

440
00:32:13.039 --> 00:32:16.480
it's been there forever. It's still
there, that campus and it's on a

441
00:32:16.559 --> 00:32:22.240
lake. And we got taken out
because of a breach in one of the

442
00:32:22.279 --> 00:32:28.759
cabins where we were convinced told it
was a bear, and they actually all

443
00:32:28.839 --> 00:32:31.880
the counselors, everybody there was,
police officers actually come out and they helped

444
00:32:31.960 --> 00:32:35.960
us all go back. We gathered
at a nearby church. Our parents picked

445
00:32:36.039 --> 00:32:39.279
us up. We were told a
bear was coming in, but the ones

446
00:32:39.319 --> 00:32:44.400
that saw, now I wasn't at
the end of the tenth that actually saw

447
00:32:44.440 --> 00:32:50.240
it. All I knew was the
abruption of screaming and everybody running towards my

448
00:32:50.480 --> 00:32:53.160
end of the cabin tent to get
away from back end of the cabin tent.

449
00:32:53.720 --> 00:32:59.599
But they said it was They thought
it was a big man reaching in

450
00:32:59.759 --> 00:33:02.720
to maybe I'll cost these girl scouts
if you know what I mean, you

451
00:33:02.720 --> 00:33:07.799
know, a predator, you know, wow? Yeah, yeah. And

452
00:33:07.839 --> 00:33:12.079
the arm reaching in because these cabin
tens we were on a survival outing,

453
00:33:12.240 --> 00:33:15.119
so we were really rusty and they
were just canvas with the tide ends and

454
00:33:15.240 --> 00:33:21.799
very opened the outdoors if you can
picture that. And then the arm reaching

455
00:33:21.880 --> 00:33:25.960
into the hot right there at that
end and then like a partially they could

456
00:33:27.000 --> 00:33:30.759
see the head of the silhouette of
it. That was I mean, but

457
00:33:30.920 --> 00:33:34.519
we were tall, we were and
I didn't see it. But the stories

458
00:33:34.559 --> 00:33:39.799
from the girls that repeated it in
head nightmares and never dropped out a girl

459
00:33:39.839 --> 00:33:44.000
scout. It was that trauma.
That was just what There's so many like

460
00:33:44.039 --> 00:33:47.240
I said, I need to catalog, and you really do, Nora,

461
00:33:47.519 --> 00:33:54.319
can you share what specific area like
the frost gorilla happened in. I'll tell

462
00:33:54.359 --> 00:34:00.720
you. It's called the exact center
of Lower Mind and so it's in the

463
00:34:00.880 --> 00:34:04.000
gateway to the north. They used
to call it back and the Claire area,

464
00:34:04.680 --> 00:34:07.880
so very Claire be between Gladwin right
in the center of the Lower met

465
00:34:08.400 --> 00:34:17.079
Okay. So now that in that
area. But had relatives, cabins this

466
00:34:17.159 --> 00:34:22.599
and that were regular all over Upper
Michigan, Lower Michigan. We come from

467
00:34:23.239 --> 00:34:30.599
Canada originally, so we also had
cabin and places in Canada in Ontario and

468
00:34:30.679 --> 00:34:32.920
all the story. Oh that's what
I mean. I'd either had my own

469
00:34:34.000 --> 00:34:37.599
hill I write. My mother was
a writer, she was a teacher.

470
00:34:37.719 --> 00:34:42.159
I write. My families urged me
to catalog to get all this in writing

471
00:34:42.199 --> 00:34:45.480
but you know, that's a lot
of work too. But that's why I

472
00:34:45.519 --> 00:34:49.239
reach out to these groups. I'm
not interested in really publishing all this stuff.

473
00:34:49.519 --> 00:34:53.039
I just want to continue my research, my sharing the knowledge did our

474
00:34:53.079 --> 00:35:00.239
headside of the sand on the right
communities of people and knowers. That's where

475
00:35:00.239 --> 00:35:04.440
it will be is with each other. When I'm going with that, well,

476
00:35:04.480 --> 00:35:09.559
absolutely, it's very important to find
your community and then help others out

477
00:35:09.639 --> 00:35:14.679
with what you've experienced and back and
forth. It's super important. Have you

478
00:35:14.800 --> 00:35:19.880
heard of anything over in the Maynistee
National Forest Area? So that's what I

479
00:35:19.920 --> 00:35:22.559
talk about in my interview with Okay
guys. That's one of one of my

480
00:35:22.800 --> 00:35:30.079
recent main encounters where it's actually what
helped me get a hold of me gout

481
00:35:30.199 --> 00:35:35.519
was the friend encountered this that had
never had anything like that in their life

482
00:35:35.559 --> 00:35:37.719
ever. So it was so brand
new and to me it was so natural.

483
00:35:38.239 --> 00:35:45.480
They actually had written into day politis
wow, and they presented that email

484
00:35:45.639 --> 00:35:50.119
and then it just snowballed from there
and friends and family urged. So you've

485
00:35:50.159 --> 00:35:53.280
got this attention and you want to
be part of this community and product,

486
00:35:53.719 --> 00:36:00.000
So it just snowballed from there.
When some friends and family had sent stuff

487
00:36:00.079 --> 00:36:01.760
been about me because I was too
shy to get out there. Even though

488
00:36:01.800 --> 00:36:07.320
I talk in public, sure by
the job used to be and all that

489
00:36:07.400 --> 00:36:12.440
and what I still continue to do
now that I'm retired talking about those things.

490
00:36:12.679 --> 00:36:15.119
Even though I was raised by it, I only talked about in the

491
00:36:15.119 --> 00:36:19.920
community of those that I was like. And even though my family was raised

492
00:36:20.000 --> 00:36:23.079
Old Roman Catholic, which is much
of that area, like our family even

493
00:36:23.119 --> 00:36:28.760
founded the bishops of my family.
I mean seriously, I was raised with

494
00:36:28.800 --> 00:36:34.840
that upbringing, but thank goodness,
raised from the lineage I had in more

495
00:36:34.920 --> 00:36:39.039
of the First Nation belief sets,
which really are in line with most religions

496
00:36:39.079 --> 00:36:44.880
anyway. So I was so blessed
to have both sides of the coin.

497
00:36:45.480 --> 00:36:50.000
I had parents that, but we
were also You keep it in your community,

498
00:36:50.559 --> 00:36:53.079
just like tribal clans do, and
you have your meetings or your powers.

499
00:36:53.320 --> 00:36:57.239
You keep things in there, and
you keep your lineage strong and your

500
00:36:57.400 --> 00:37:00.000
belief sets strong. But then you
go and share, combining with those that

501
00:37:00.079 --> 00:37:06.519
help grow those things in that learning
and knowledge, and that's how I was

502
00:37:06.639 --> 00:37:09.360
raised. So I just most of
the world. Then I'm raised in this

503
00:37:09.440 --> 00:37:13.920
community with a church. You got
to keep it quiet, though you have

504
00:37:14.000 --> 00:37:16.800
to keep it quiet certain areas,
right, But yet I'm so glad to

505
00:37:16.880 --> 00:37:22.559
be able to travel all over the
United States and Canada backwoods and apache pop

506
00:37:22.679 --> 00:37:27.000
up tent, trailer and cabin tis. That's how my mom did her writing

507
00:37:27.079 --> 00:37:30.320
from and her teaching from, because
she taught history and things like that,

508
00:37:30.440 --> 00:37:35.960
and she taught them from going and
seeing it. And so I was really

509
00:37:35.960 --> 00:37:39.440
blessed about that. And now that
I'm retired and I'm not working seven days

510
00:37:39.440 --> 00:37:45.480
a week for something that isn't aligned
with what I want to be doing in

511
00:37:45.519 --> 00:37:47.400
life, now I've got the time. So now I'm going to get it

512
00:37:47.440 --> 00:37:52.039
going well. So what I would
recommend is, even though it's a lot

513
00:37:52.079 --> 00:37:55.800
of work, take the work,
take the time to get all that down.

514
00:37:57.079 --> 00:38:00.320
Maybe even write a book or I
don't know, up there, you

515
00:38:00.480 --> 00:38:04.519
right, but whatever I needed to
do to get it all down. I

516
00:38:04.559 --> 00:38:07.760
have published books before, but they
were for my profession in the doing,

517
00:38:08.440 --> 00:38:13.440
and I actually at the urgent like
yours. Thank you so much for your

518
00:38:13.519 --> 00:38:17.519
support. I so appreciate that.
That's what And then mcgimbals and I actually

519
00:38:17.599 --> 00:38:22.960
had the opportunity with Okay, we'll
go back to who Greg was just saying

520
00:38:22.960 --> 00:38:27.760
about the BFRO. And I recently
went to a local here where I left

521
00:38:28.079 --> 00:38:30.079
last year, and I went to
that, and I'm glad I went to

522
00:38:30.119 --> 00:38:34.880
it because I didn't go like awestruck
or celebrities struck or anything like. I

523
00:38:34.920 --> 00:38:38.079
went because I wanted to see who's
in this community exactly. I want to

524
00:38:38.079 --> 00:38:42.239
go see this, So I got
the time. Now. I missed all

525
00:38:42.320 --> 00:38:45.280
the big Foot when they came here
to rest Common and all that before because

526
00:38:45.280 --> 00:38:49.719
I was so working, and I
went to it, and I always Actually,

527
00:38:49.719 --> 00:38:52.519
I'm glad I get. I met
so many great people, but I

528
00:38:52.639 --> 00:38:58.639
was disappointing the fact that it was
more of like a show or like a

529
00:39:00.039 --> 00:39:02.599
I thought it was going to be
like a town hall meeting like you see

530
00:39:02.599 --> 00:39:07.559
on the TV shows. Rather you
raised your count a mapot on the man.

531
00:39:07.639 --> 00:39:10.519
I thought it was going to be
like that. Totally not. Actually,

532
00:39:12.039 --> 00:39:15.480
the way it was formitted it shut
the local residents down from speaking about

533
00:39:15.480 --> 00:39:20.679
their inspirit. So nobody talked,
nobody raised their hand. So I thought,

534
00:39:20.719 --> 00:39:23.119
Okay, that's not what this is
supposed to be about. So what

535
00:39:23.239 --> 00:39:28.199
I decided to do right there and
then as I introduced myself. I'm a

536
00:39:28.280 --> 00:39:30.719
friend of the woman of the Chamber
of Commerce that organize this thing, and

537
00:39:30.760 --> 00:39:34.960
I want to organize one here locally
where I live. Okay, so I'm

538
00:39:34.960 --> 00:39:37.119
in the doing that right now.
Good for you, and just start start

539
00:39:37.159 --> 00:39:40.400
with my neighbors, right I talked
about it in my interview with Miguel.

540
00:39:40.639 --> 00:39:45.920
I just recently moved to because of
the floods and the dann failures in Michigan

541
00:39:46.000 --> 00:39:51.719
and not having a home. It's
all this weird coincidence. I just recently

542
00:39:51.760 --> 00:39:54.360
moved to a very historic it's been
on monster quests and all that, or

543
00:39:54.400 --> 00:39:57.800
not monsters. I can't remember the
name of the channel that came here and

544
00:39:57.800 --> 00:40:01.519
did it, but it's the Bentley
Hollerd Bentley, Michigan. I actually now

545
00:40:01.599 --> 00:40:07.199
my property is actually it's like eighth
of my at the dead end roma out

546
00:40:07.199 --> 00:40:12.679
of my place here and then I
can. I talked about all my encounters

547
00:40:12.719 --> 00:40:16.639
here at this new home, so
I decided I'll start out with my locals.

548
00:40:16.679 --> 00:40:22.320
So I've been anytime I go get
my car, I chat with them,

549
00:40:22.480 --> 00:40:25.599
the locals. These people have been
here or the family's been here forever.

550
00:40:27.199 --> 00:40:30.519
I'm not afraid to bring it up
anymore because I've had help from people

551
00:40:30.599 --> 00:40:34.360
like Miguel you. I'm just going
to do it. There's so many of

552
00:40:34.440 --> 00:40:37.440
us have had this when you live
here, and I grew up with it.

553
00:40:37.519 --> 00:40:40.159
I'm sure a lot of other people
grew up with it. So I'm

554
00:40:40.159 --> 00:40:44.480
going to Hopefully, I wanted to
do it this summer. I hope to

555
00:40:44.800 --> 00:40:46.519
get a town hall here. It
may take longer, I don't know.

556
00:40:46.639 --> 00:40:52.960
We'll see, but I've got a
lot of feedback on YouTube from Sasquatch Theory

557
00:40:52.039 --> 00:40:59.400
and Michigan. I hope to from
yours Michigan people are near Wisconsin, Canada.

558
00:41:00.039 --> 00:41:02.880
Let's get together and have fun finding
out all there is to know.

559
00:41:04.320 --> 00:41:07.360
Absolutely, would you be you know, in our last few minutes ago,

560
00:41:07.400 --> 00:41:09.480
would you be able to maybe share
one of the things that's happened to you

561
00:41:09.519 --> 00:41:15.840
in this Bentley Holler area, the
Bentley Holler Yeah yeah, So I heard

562
00:41:15.039 --> 00:41:19.800
the move chair as says, this
is my third year here, and like

563
00:41:19.840 --> 00:41:22.679
I said, there was the floods, the damn failures that without a home,

564
00:41:22.719 --> 00:41:24.039
I lived in a campus for two
and a half years. Nobody could

565
00:41:24.039 --> 00:41:29.400
try the home. Everybody needed a
home. Anyone who knows about that history

566
00:41:29.960 --> 00:41:34.920
of that, and there's documentaries that, so it was this really unconventional way.

567
00:41:34.960 --> 00:41:38.840
It was someone that was overheard me
in a conversation with someone else about

568
00:41:39.360 --> 00:41:42.519
you can't get a home, and
you hear about wine, you go to

569
00:41:42.599 --> 00:41:44.840
go look at it the real or
to meet you in the driveway and says

570
00:41:44.880 --> 00:41:46.840
it's already gone. It went on
that way for two and a half years,

571
00:41:46.920 --> 00:41:51.400
and anyone who knows about this there, he knows that how it went

572
00:41:52.199 --> 00:41:55.440
Weirdly. This person that over here
heard me was this person that goes in

573
00:41:55.480 --> 00:42:00.960
in like Flip's houses, and she
ended up telling me after she got out

574
00:42:00.000 --> 00:42:04.280
of work and would to do her
second job at puipping this house way out

575
00:42:04.480 --> 00:42:08.400
in this kind of like really secluded
area out in the country from where we

576
00:42:08.440 --> 00:42:15.719
worked, and she called me and
she was norma, these are your relatives

577
00:42:15.760 --> 00:42:19.079
because this is my founding area where
my family came into, like I said,

578
00:42:19.079 --> 00:42:22.320
building the roads and doing the logging
and going all the way back.

579
00:42:22.440 --> 00:42:27.639
I have tons of history and family
history. And sure enough she told them

580
00:42:27.679 --> 00:42:30.639
my plight about I'm living in a
camper in my husband's backyard for two and

581
00:42:30.679 --> 00:42:35.599
a half years, and I went
over after work started talking to them and

582
00:42:35.639 --> 00:42:38.199
it was an immediate yeah, we'll
help you out. Their mother had passed

583
00:42:38.199 --> 00:42:43.159
away. They got this five hundred
acres. The boys are all splitting it

584
00:42:43.239 --> 00:42:45.400
up as part of the estate,
but they hadn't got around to doing it.

585
00:42:45.440 --> 00:42:47.719
It was hard for them to do
after she had passed. So on

586
00:42:47.760 --> 00:42:52.440
and so forth. I needed a
place to stay, parked the camper here

587
00:42:52.960 --> 00:42:55.800
and let's work out a deal.
And then they started talking. They started

588
00:42:55.800 --> 00:43:00.519
talking about it. My friends and
co workers that lived in the area I

589
00:43:00.599 --> 00:43:04.159
worked in the area that I moved
to, said, because they all know

590
00:43:04.239 --> 00:43:07.920
about me, they all know about
my life, because they all know about

591
00:43:07.920 --> 00:43:10.679
the area. You're moving right next
to where the Bentley Holler is being recorded

592
00:43:10.840 --> 00:43:15.000
and has been being recorded for this
farm family at the end of my road

593
00:43:15.079 --> 00:43:22.119
has been recording them and track for
multi generation in the area. And it's

594
00:43:22.199 --> 00:43:27.519
been other places that come here,
and even the bfrros out here. And

595
00:43:27.679 --> 00:43:30.119
I said, yeah, I full
well know about it was a high school

596
00:43:30.159 --> 00:43:30.719
thing. And you're like, yeah, we all knew about it. We

597
00:43:30.800 --> 00:43:34.639
should drive out here, high schoolers
at night and drive out here and see

598
00:43:34.719 --> 00:43:37.000
to hear howls and stuff like that. It was a thing, and so

599
00:43:37.159 --> 00:43:40.079
yeah, Pulley well aware of it
and everything, and I was just thinking,

600
00:43:40.159 --> 00:43:44.719
yeah, I know, but that's
over there, but then the road

601
00:43:44.760 --> 00:43:49.760
over on that road, duh,
how stupidly. It was really the first

602
00:43:50.079 --> 00:43:52.920
days and nights that everything started,
and I talked about that in that interview

603
00:43:53.000 --> 00:43:58.960
and like when it was almost like
they were inducing themselves to me. Really

604
00:43:59.039 --> 00:44:02.719
it was. I found. The
first thing I found is after the first

605
00:44:02.760 --> 00:44:08.039
talks with the family in the front
yard about me taking it over, parking

606
00:44:08.079 --> 00:44:12.159
my camper here, let me do
the work in the place. You guys

607
00:44:12.199 --> 00:44:15.440
are elderly and it's hard to get
it ready for the cell and so on

608
00:44:15.480 --> 00:44:17.880
and so forth. I'll just take
that over and do the work. And

609
00:44:17.960 --> 00:44:22.440
the whole thing. It was like
literally while we were walking the property to

610
00:44:22.559 --> 00:44:28.159
say, figure out what you want
surveyed out and cut your chunk out of

611
00:44:28.199 --> 00:44:30.239
here and we'll sell that to youre. So we were doing that survey.

612
00:44:30.320 --> 00:44:36.239
Walk through the woods. There's springs
here, there's a river here, there's

613
00:44:36.400 --> 00:44:40.480
I mean, it is really beautiful, very thick deep woods. There's berry

614
00:44:40.599 --> 00:44:45.760
patches, Like the berry patch on
my property is like a quarter of an

615
00:44:45.760 --> 00:44:51.239
acre, large blueberries and rasberries,
blackberries, all that right, very furm.

616
00:44:51.840 --> 00:44:55.880
So we're walking the property and as
we get out into this one area,

617
00:44:57.800 --> 00:45:00.239
I get this really big pull I
work by poles, and I tid

618
00:45:00.239 --> 00:45:04.880
it. That's a whole other interview. Run back and get my phone,

619
00:45:05.000 --> 00:45:08.800
take pictures, and I should be
anyway to record what I want to survey

620
00:45:08.840 --> 00:45:14.639
out I take. I get this
pole over this huge ancient oak tree.

621
00:45:15.159 --> 00:45:21.320
It's like these three. It's ancient, and there's the most gigantic X out

622
00:45:21.320 --> 00:45:27.119
of these timbers that are ten inches
in diameter, and it's gigantic because the

623
00:45:27.159 --> 00:45:34.400
limb of the oak tree that they're
propped against is probably about twelve to fifteen

624
00:45:34.400 --> 00:45:38.119
feet high and these are like ten
inch around timbers and a giant X.

625
00:45:38.960 --> 00:45:43.480
And the thing that struck me and
I took the pictures of is the root

626
00:45:43.559 --> 00:45:47.599
systems of these two trees were up
against up in the air against this oak

627
00:45:47.639 --> 00:45:52.480
tree one west in the crook of
the tree, the try oak one on

628
00:45:52.559 --> 00:45:57.440
that limb that came out from it, and the root systems were up there

629
00:45:58.159 --> 00:46:01.159
and there was nothing on the round
around it that showed where like a root

630
00:46:01.239 --> 00:46:05.119
popped out of the ground or anything. They weren't even from that area.

631
00:46:05.679 --> 00:46:12.360
And then at the top of the
ax there was another big branch, but

632
00:46:12.519 --> 00:46:15.239
it root system. It was broke
off at both ends. That was wedged

633
00:46:15.280 --> 00:46:22.280
through the why of the top of
that ax like horizontal across there legs.

634
00:46:22.360 --> 00:46:25.519
There's no tree fall will wedge itself
of its own weight. Right. A

635
00:46:25.960 --> 00:46:30.639
root system on a tree can pop
out of the ground if if another tree

636
00:46:30.679 --> 00:46:32.599
falls on it with enough weight and
it's rotted in the root system, it

637
00:46:32.599 --> 00:46:36.639
would pop out of the ground.
Right. We looked for all of that.

638
00:46:37.079 --> 00:46:38.679
I took pictures of that, the
whole thing. It's it was there

639
00:46:38.920 --> 00:46:43.920
for the longest time. Other and
can go on. But it was when

640
00:46:43.960 --> 00:46:47.000
I actually took possession and moved out
of the camper after I signed off in

641
00:46:47.079 --> 00:46:52.000
the houses that didn't move into it
till I did. It was when I

642
00:46:52.039 --> 00:46:54.840
first had something. I don't know
why, why, how orware other than

643
00:46:54.880 --> 00:46:58.800
I don't have normal sleep patterns.
I got up at three o'clock in the

644
00:46:58.840 --> 00:47:04.119
morning. Youautiful, sorry summer night. The skyview I have here is incredible.

645
00:47:05.039 --> 00:47:07.760
I walked out onto my front deck. I don't know why, even

646
00:47:07.440 --> 00:47:10.159
I just got up out of bed. I walked out into the front deck.

647
00:47:10.239 --> 00:47:15.199
As soon as I pulled the door
shut behind me across the road for

648
00:47:15.320 --> 00:47:21.159
me where it's even thicker woods and
that river drain still continues on. There

649
00:47:21.239 --> 00:47:27.599
was three huge loud anchoing through that
quiet summer night, and it was still

650
00:47:27.719 --> 00:47:34.800
quiet through no frogs known up and
three huge knocks bam, bam, and

651
00:47:34.840 --> 00:47:39.239
then the pod and then bam even
louder. And I had a porch light

652
00:47:39.320 --> 00:47:43.480
on it, so I'm illuminated and
everything in front of me is dark,

653
00:47:43.840 --> 00:47:46.280
and I was like, holy hell. So I gathered myself and I turned

654
00:47:46.320 --> 00:47:50.440
around and I thought, okay,
this isn't that new to me, and

655
00:47:50.480 --> 00:47:53.000
I already moved up. I turned
around and took the flat up my hand

656
00:47:53.039 --> 00:47:58.719
and I bashed it against the siding
of my house, which equally echoed through

657
00:47:58.719 --> 00:48:04.280
that summer loud. I did it
three times and stopped. I didn't do

658
00:48:04.320 --> 00:48:06.880
a pause, and two more.
I was there three times, super loud,

659
00:48:06.880 --> 00:48:10.280
and stood there, and then there
was sam and it sounded closer,

660
00:48:10.800 --> 00:48:15.360
like way closer, like just across
the road to my driveway. I have

661
00:48:15.440 --> 00:48:20.760
a long driveway, but way closer, and those two loud knocks, and

662
00:48:21.519 --> 00:48:23.400
I just got super unnerved, even
though I was used to it. I

663
00:48:23.440 --> 00:48:25.639
got a nerved and I just went
back in the house. I went back

664
00:48:25.679 --> 00:48:30.360
to bed sleep, and then there
were so many things that have happened here,

665
00:48:30.519 --> 00:48:34.719
rock platues of rock being taken,
things on my roof, fashes on

666
00:48:34.800 --> 00:48:39.119
the east side of our house,
other symbol structures, the exits now gone.

667
00:48:39.400 --> 00:48:45.280
And the tree those big limbs that
were making that giant X picking fee

668
00:48:45.320 --> 00:48:49.840
high or whatever are not laying on
the ground. They are gone, but

669
00:48:50.159 --> 00:48:53.079
carried away down. I had a
boulder and I filmed this, and I

670
00:48:53.079 --> 00:48:58.320
have pictures of it before when it
was there, After the rock plaques and

671
00:48:58.360 --> 00:49:02.840
the chip has broke out of it, and then after I don't know this

672
00:49:02.960 --> 00:49:08.920
is I don't want to prelog it, but it's this like part two to

673
00:49:09.119 --> 00:49:15.960
interviewing with Miguel. It was immediately
after that, immediately after that aired.

674
00:49:16.880 --> 00:49:21.920
These things happened all in a row. I have them all documented. The

675
00:49:22.000 --> 00:49:24.800
phone. I was on the phone
with someone when it got thrown on my

676
00:49:24.960 --> 00:49:29.400
ruck. The next morning, at
daylight, I was looking for tracks none.

677
00:49:29.760 --> 00:49:34.360
Something told me to go over to
my boulder garden that was here,

678
00:49:34.599 --> 00:49:37.320
and my boulder, the one that
had the chip out of it, is

679
00:49:37.360 --> 00:49:40.000
gone and it would take a truck, a couple of people, a strep

680
00:49:40.119 --> 00:49:44.880
to lift that carry that away.
It is gone. And in the video

681
00:49:44.960 --> 00:49:47.639
I checked, it just snowed lightly
too, and I thought, perfect,

682
00:49:47.639 --> 00:49:52.519
I'll get tracks right whatever, through
whatever. There's no tracks, but you

683
00:49:52.559 --> 00:49:57.440
can see the snow line that had
built up around that boulder when I was

684
00:49:57.440 --> 00:50:00.679
sitting there, so I knew it
that wow. And I have witnessed.

685
00:50:00.960 --> 00:50:06.239
I have witnesses all this too.
They absolutely, I have said, I

686
00:50:06.280 --> 00:50:09.079
have so many witnesses, and that's
what they all urged me. There are

687
00:50:09.119 --> 00:50:15.000
the witnesses, and the ones that
have experienced are the ones family friends that

688
00:50:15.199 --> 00:50:20.079
urged me get out. Didn't share
this stuff because you're not nuts. Because

689
00:50:20.320 --> 00:50:23.079
we're seeing this. We know that
you couldn't let that boulder and like sneak

690
00:50:23.119 --> 00:50:27.360
it away and hide and then tell
us it's missing. There's no way,

691
00:50:27.480 --> 00:50:30.440
little old you, I'm not big, could move that boulder. There's no

692
00:50:30.519 --> 00:50:35.440
way. And I did I and
on the video I have I yelled out

693
00:50:35.480 --> 00:50:38.239
across the road that was across me, I said, where's my rock?

694
00:50:38.719 --> 00:50:44.679
Who chucked my rock? And at
that time there was a witness standing at

695
00:50:44.679 --> 00:50:46.280
my deck that just to ride there, and he's trying to figure out he

696
00:50:46.360 --> 00:50:50.199
was coming out there to hunt.
Actually, I let people hunt here,

697
00:50:51.280 --> 00:50:53.119
and he had come out to hunt, and he saw me distressed in the

698
00:50:53.119 --> 00:50:58.039
front yard of my phone videotaping.
And then when I got done saying where's

699
00:50:58.079 --> 00:51:00.599
my rock? He was standing there
waiting for me to get done. And

700
00:51:00.639 --> 00:51:05.960
as soon as I turned to walk
towards some two huge knocks across the road,

701
00:51:06.559 --> 00:51:08.519
and he flipped out. He did. He flipped out. He's like,

702
00:51:08.559 --> 00:51:15.199
holy cow, what is going on? He had experienced. I have

703
00:51:15.400 --> 00:51:20.360
chimpanzee chatter, bark like roofs that
are super loud and deep and guttural.

704
00:51:20.480 --> 00:51:22.559
But this is common in this area. Hold on, wait, sorry,

705
00:51:22.760 --> 00:51:30.039
so you are experiencing chimp like chatter
and whoops in your area. I told

706
00:51:30.039 --> 00:51:34.760
my girl, I wish I had
good equipment when I was in lost everything

707
00:51:34.760 --> 00:51:37.039
in the flood. I lost everything. I lost all my gear, my

708
00:51:37.280 --> 00:51:43.719
cameras. I saw it. I
got ready prepared because I was actually part

709
00:51:43.800 --> 00:51:49.119
of the preparation and rescue team in
my local village I lived in, so

710
00:51:49.239 --> 00:51:52.480
I had a lot of stuff already
taken out and taken over to my excess

711
00:51:52.519 --> 00:51:57.039
house. But then there was a
lot of things I still lost that just

712
00:51:57.119 --> 00:52:00.880
at that moment weren't that important to
me. We didn't have that much time

713
00:52:00.920 --> 00:52:05.199
to evacuate, right, So I
lost a lot of things and had to

714
00:52:05.199 --> 00:52:07.079
rebuild it. So I don't have
the recording equipment I used to have.

715
00:52:07.159 --> 00:52:13.280
I'm just rebuilding it now. We
have it recorded on my phone of this

716
00:52:13.519 --> 00:52:20.679
cond It's a conversation across the road
to me. It's a lower rumberly like

717
00:52:21.199 --> 00:52:24.280
really little and I'm not good at
it, but I'm just trying to give

718
00:52:24.320 --> 00:52:31.039
you the context of the Then probably
about ten fifteen feet beside it, and

719
00:52:31.079 --> 00:52:35.239
then I feel like it was right
in the ditchline. Now I do have

720
00:52:35.320 --> 00:52:37.719
a four hundred and some foot driveway, but I feel it's like in the

721
00:52:37.719 --> 00:52:44.079
dishline across the road to me,
and then ten fifteen feet beside it from

722
00:52:44.159 --> 00:52:50.360
it is a It was so weird. I was like, so, there's

723
00:52:50.440 --> 00:52:54.400
the stainhill cranes that will nest over
there in this little metal area in the

724
00:52:54.440 --> 00:52:59.840
woods, but that's not they make
a different sound, right, And then

725
00:52:59.840 --> 00:53:07.159
I was hearing farther back way back
by a tree line across the field from

726
00:53:07.159 --> 00:53:10.079
this ditch line where I heard that
sound, I heard like a really loud

727
00:53:10.679 --> 00:53:15.440
like I don't know, it was
like a dog barker, like a like

728
00:53:15.559 --> 00:53:19.639
almost like it was an adult telling
then knock it off or get it.

729
00:53:19.719 --> 00:53:23.559
And I more than one time,
but I did get that on my phone

730
00:53:24.039 --> 00:53:30.000
recording it because I started recording it
when I started hearing the chimpanzee chatter,

731
00:53:30.079 --> 00:53:32.039
and then I got the book in
there. I took it to a friend's

732
00:53:32.079 --> 00:53:36.679
house that had I put my phone
to it and they could amplify it a

733
00:53:36.719 --> 00:53:40.239
little bit and they were flabbering accid. Wow, So you do have the

734
00:53:40.280 --> 00:53:45.199
recording right now of yeah, wow, I was just messing around. I

735
00:53:45.239 --> 00:53:47.559
just set up a new computer where
I'm at now and thinking of that.

736
00:53:47.880 --> 00:53:52.079
But yeah, I don't have good
equipment. I'm working on it. But

737
00:53:52.239 --> 00:53:54.519
I mean you could. I have
friends, I like, they just come

738
00:53:54.559 --> 00:53:58.360
out here and sit and have a
campfire with me. Yeah, we're not

739
00:53:58.480 --> 00:54:04.440
thinking talking about I think and it
is not just satisfage or related the sky

740
00:54:05.119 --> 00:54:07.559
activity that goes on that is so
well seen here and also a part of

741
00:54:07.599 --> 00:54:12.800
my life all my life. Wow, Like I said, like you said,

742
00:54:12.800 --> 00:54:17.360
write a book, it sounds incredible. That's that is You've got wild

743
00:54:17.360 --> 00:54:21.800
stuff going on right now and that
I don't like. I mean, I

744
00:54:21.880 --> 00:54:23.960
love it, and yeah, it's
awesome, but I'll start out little with

745
00:54:24.000 --> 00:54:29.320
a town hall meeting and hooking up
with people like you and everybody is to

746
00:54:29.360 --> 00:54:34.000
you, and it filthy to reach
out to me, and yeah, please

747
00:54:34.119 --> 00:54:37.800
hire, please continue, don't be
afraid to keep me up to date with

748
00:54:37.840 --> 00:54:42.440
what's going on. And if you
get to the point where you can send

749
00:54:42.679 --> 00:54:45.960
some audio files, I would love
to hear what you're capturing. Maybe even

750
00:54:46.000 --> 00:54:52.679
start a YouTube channel, just start, you know, six scrapes. I

751
00:54:52.840 --> 00:54:55.760
just don't know. I don't know
how to do that stuff. I need

752
00:54:55.800 --> 00:55:00.480
someone to help me with it all. But started putting the there folders of

753
00:55:00.679 --> 00:55:06.480
different things, okay, because if
anyone wants to go out and listen to

754
00:55:06.559 --> 00:55:10.400
that Michigan in Counters with me with
Miguel, I talk about things other than

755
00:55:10.480 --> 00:55:15.920
SaaS Quatch that I do have photos
of as well, okay, related to

756
00:55:15.039 --> 00:55:20.280
SaaS Qutch for other magic. Yeah, and I have clear photos that blow

757
00:55:20.360 --> 00:55:24.679
people away, unique trees that posted
on Yeah, wow, that's awesome.

758
00:55:24.719 --> 00:55:29.119
Please reach out to me. I'd
love to see your channel if you want

759
00:55:29.159 --> 00:55:31.280
to share that with me, Just
so I can be hard to find it,

760
00:55:31.679 --> 00:55:35.559
but if you can share the link
to it, it's Big for Society

761
00:55:35.559 --> 00:55:38.280
at gmail dot com. You can
email me and thank you Nora for chatting,

762
00:55:38.320 --> 00:55:42.800
and hopefully we'll be able to catch
up sometime in the future as well.

763
00:55:43.320 --> 00:55:45.400
Yeah, we will, super and
thank you and I'm a happy meeting

764
00:55:45.480 --> 00:55:50.039
everybody. I'm your group and I
will send you some great stuff. You'll

765
00:55:50.079 --> 00:55:52.920
have fun with it. Absolutely great
chatting with you, Nora. You have

766
00:55:52.960 --> 00:55:59.719
a great night you too, Good
night, Good calls tonight. We got

767
00:55:59.719 --> 00:56:04.360
one more should we try? Should
we call the last person back? Someone

768
00:56:04.400 --> 00:56:06.760
in the chat? Let me know. Are you guys up for me to

769
00:56:06.840 --> 00:56:10.599
call one more person back? I
gotta see someone say yep. I can

770
00:56:10.599 --> 00:56:15.880
see someone say yep in the chat, then I'll call him back. All

771
00:56:15.000 --> 00:56:20.079
right, Ao, you asked for
it. Let's okay, so you get

772
00:56:20.119 --> 00:56:25.800
the number. I hope this person
isn't asleep. I guess we'll find out.

773
00:56:27.039 --> 00:56:29.519
Guys, we might get yelled at. I hope you're ready to get

774
00:56:29.599 --> 00:56:38.519
yelled at. Here we go.
This is Jeremiah from Big Society calling you

775
00:56:38.639 --> 00:56:43.079
back. Sorry, it's late.
I just want to double check so you're

776
00:56:43.119 --> 00:56:45.960
aware. This is recorded for the
podcast in live and were you able to

777
00:56:46.000 --> 00:56:51.920
fill out the guest release thing.
Yeah, Jeremiah was on the show earlier.

778
00:56:52.000 --> 00:56:53.960
Oh, Greg, I was like, this guy sounds just like Greg.

779
00:56:54.519 --> 00:57:00.400
Did you call me back? Yeah? Might have been because when we're

780
00:57:00.400 --> 00:57:04.360
playing phone tag. I don't know. Maybe something happened there because I never

781
00:57:04.440 --> 00:57:06.880
hung up. I just switched the
call over. Maybe it called you.

782
00:57:07.079 --> 00:57:12.159
That's funny. Hey, listen,
I'll have one of my buddies from New

783
00:57:12.199 --> 00:57:15.639
Jersey Pine the Barons BFO. I
will call you back. His name's Eric

784
00:57:15.000 --> 00:57:19.239
Spinner if you look them up,
blank guy. Yeah, and they're doing

785
00:57:19.239 --> 00:57:22.480
a per con. They got Nick
Pope coming, esterbh's coming at something later

786
00:57:22.920 --> 00:57:28.000
and what's his name? Ronnie LeBlanc
as well, and Bill Burns from UFO

787
00:57:28.119 --> 00:57:34.000
Hunters. So you know, well
it's it's called the Bucks County pera Con

788
00:57:34.880 --> 00:57:38.719
and it's the first one. And
then there's that's on March ninth outside of

789
00:57:38.719 --> 00:57:43.159
Philadelphia. Yeah, yeah, and
then there's another one in the June.

790
00:57:43.239 --> 00:57:46.639
There were esterbh's coming, Ronnie in
the blank, Ron moorehead and that's coming

791
00:57:46.679 --> 00:57:51.599
to New Jersey closer to where I
live. Anyway. I'm in a Walmart

792
00:57:51.679 --> 00:57:53.800
right now, I got to check
out. Well, we know you about

793
00:57:53.840 --> 00:57:57.400
it, Okay, Yeah, thanks
sure, Mark, have a good one

794
00:57:58.480 --> 00:58:00.280
all right. Well that was the
same person and Greg. It was good

795
00:58:00.280 --> 00:58:05.440
to talk to Greg again. But
guys, we've had a great night.

796
00:58:05.519 --> 00:58:08.880
We've got almost eighty people live.
This is the most people I've had for

797
00:58:09.039 --> 00:58:15.760
these Bigfoot Encounters live. I'll be
editing this out and putting it up on

798
00:58:15.800 --> 00:58:19.760
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799
00:58:19.800 --> 00:58:22.320
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800
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It's every once in a while I'll
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801
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802
00:58:32.800 --> 00:58:37.280
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803
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804
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dollars one Thanks for hanging out.
Appreciate you spending your night with me,

805
00:58:47.039 --> 00:58:51.079
and I hope to see you guys
soon. Maybe we'll see you in a

806
00:58:51.079 --> 00:58:53.719
few nights, who knows. But
have a good one all and we'll see

807
00:58:53.719 --> 00:58:58.119
you next time. Just wanted to
take a few minutes to say thank you

808
00:58:58.159 --> 00:59:02.559
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809
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you've had a Bigfoot encounter related to
the following, or know someone who has,

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please reach out to me at Bigfoot
Society at gmail dot com or pass

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on my email. Here's the list. Encounters in the Lake Techsoma area of

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Oklahoma or Texas. Encounters in the
Oakridge, Oregon area or within forty five

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minutes to an hour of the vicinity. Anyone who actively has a habituation happening

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on their property. Anyone who is
actively involved in the events of the siege

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at Honabi. Anyone who is actively
researching Bigfoot or has seen Bigfoot in the

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Washita Mountains of southeast Oklahoma. A
special thank you to all the Bigfoot Society

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Patreon and YouTube channel members. It's
your support that helps keep the show going

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and I extremely appreciate it,