All of a sudden, there was a Bigfoot in front of our car!

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Welcome to the big Foot Society.
In this classic episode from twenty twenty one,

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I talked to Jackie Talks about her
intense face to face Bigfoot encounter in

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Humboldt County, California. If you've
experienced something similar to what Jackie has,

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or have more information regarding Bigfoot or
other cryptids in the same area, please

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reach out to me immediately after this
episode. Remember, your encounter could be

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the key to unlocking this mystery once
and for all, so please don't hesitate

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to contact me at Bigfoot Society at
gmail dot com. I have the privilege

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of talking to Jackie Talks for me
this afternoon. For her, it's this

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night because she is over in the
UK. Jackie is really a cryptozoologist,

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a bigfoot researcher. She has a
psychology degree, all sorts of stuff going

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on. Is there anything else you
would like to add to that as well,

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Jackie or I'm also trying cancer therapist, so that's been quite good in

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the research as well. Oh yeahnesses
as well? And yeah, oh totally

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yeah, yeah, I am extremely
interested in that. How has that helped

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with your witness interviewing? I think
especially my therapy experience and someone from my

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first psychology degree. If somebody's fabricating
stuff, you intend to tell very subtle,

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nonverbal. Sometimes they look at you
two intenttensely. That's one thing they'll

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do. It also depends though people
may look I don't really know about real

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linguistic programming. When people are thinking
about things from their imagine. It depends

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whether they're left or right handed.
But most people they'll look down for recall

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and the other the left or right
for recall, and then opposite for things

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from imagination. And you've got to
deem, really, what's their dominant brain

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side actually tell whether they're trying to
fabricate stuff. Just you can do little

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tests of stuff though, oh man, all sorts of things you can do

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really, And I think it's also
just checking with a somebody's a credible witness,

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not necessarily about what work background they've
got, but we can help really

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and what checking up in the community. Are they seen as a reliable person?

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And I think the big thing with
multiple witnesses as well, if you've

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got multiple witnesses, and that's really
power. I'm going to be aware of

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everything I do in this interview.
After that conversation, I find myself looking

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up a lot when I'm interviewing.
Does looking up mean anything particularly? Usually

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or well, it usually means I
know. The old thing they used to

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say about teachers would say to the
kids, it's the answer is not on

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the ceiling because but actually is because
it helps them to spell when they look

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upwards. Interesting wired and what yeah, so actually help kids off? But

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actually it was actually helps them spell. I was involved in some experiments and

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I got wired up by a psychologists. Really yeah, it's quite When I

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was at University of psychology degree it
was quite fun there. Do you mind

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me asking? So you're in the
UK, what what part generally over there?

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Just for context, I'm presently living
in Devon, which is a south

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part of the Southwest. It's also
where right, not far from me,

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where they filmed some of Warhorse as
well. Oh yeah, sure, yeah,

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we get quite Cornwall, quite a
lot of stuff filmed, and the

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last scene of Apocalypto when they see
the conclaxt on the beach is actually filmed

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in Cornwall. Here it's beautiful over
there. I've bent over to Ireland two

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times, to the western coast Galway
area, and it's just such a beautiful.

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Ireland is definitely laid back. I
haven't been to England yet, but

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someday, either that or Scotland.
They have Scottish heritage, but you have

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such a beautiful nothing like being able
to walk up to old medieval forts that

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don't have fences around them and just
enjoy it, like it's just oh,

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yeah, we've got some really old
sort of Celtic and yeah, exactly Neolithic

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thoughts as well. Quite in America
would have that lockdown and because we don't

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trust anyone, and it's like over
there, it's like whatever, it's really

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cool. I'm curious. How did
you get into cryptozoology. What's your story

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there? A very weird begin As
a child, I used to watch a

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series Arts Clock's Mysterious World, and
it had all different strange phenomena, but

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one of them I remember as a
child about must have been watching Patty Very

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Famous and thought, oh, I'd
love to do that, but never thought

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anything would a big button. But
I never seen Bob Gimblin as well,

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a very younger Bob Gimblin in that
yeah, back in the eighties, and

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oh wow, I never thought I'd
get involved with that. And then I

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had a really strange encounter. I
was reading the Fourteen Times. Do you

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get the fourteen Times over there?
No? But I have who's my contact?

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I have a contact. I believe
his name is Peter Laws. Peter

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so he got me an interview with
Richard Freeman, which was fantastic, and

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then British cryptozoology is amazing. It's
it makes us look like we're in the

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wild West, and you guys are
super locked in, and it's you're going

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for it and you're all over the
world and you're taping stuff and it's you

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don't care if it's on TV or
not. TV doesn't matter. It's very

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respectable. I respect you guys over
there. Yeah. I think people are

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very dedicated here. Oh yeah,
well I think we have because I know

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in America, I notice people don't
get much time off work, a lot

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less than they do in England.
So we have longer holidays and I think

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that makes a difference. But able
to do that. But going back to

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Richard Freeman, actually that's the way
I got into it. I was reading

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the fourteen Times and it was this
article on the Mongolian death worm, which

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is yes, got to the end
and there's a picture of a Gothy looking

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guy next to dragon, and I
thought, I thought he looked a bit

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scary. Anyway, I expect I
had at the time, and it was

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twenty past ten at night or what
the dog quit. I walked to the

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end of my road, which is
near the train big main train station next

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Tora in Devon across the road,
and then walked along and then suddenly the

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guy whose picture I've sit in the
magazine walks past me. And this is

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a magazine. So I did this
take and I swung around and I said,

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oh, excuse me, Riches and
we went yeah, and he's looking

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at me strange. And my dog
was a bit scary looking, but actually

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really friendly and he does like dogs. But and I said, do you

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write for the fourteen Times? He
goes yeah, and I went, oh

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my god, I've just been reading
absolutely freaked me out. So we've just

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stood weird. Anyway, About six
months later the train station had a news

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agent now and now I was buying
the fourteen Times and two hands went to

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grab a copy, and so I
was the person who met me on the

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street. He said, oh,
yeah, I remember you, and then

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he invited me to the comment difference
the Yeah, then there's a weird weekend.

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There's one held in Devon, there's
no one held up a North as

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well in Manchester. And then I
met various people. I think that second

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content I went to. I met
Adam Davies and he was going out and

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been by Laurie Simmons to a big
foot in so he said, oh,

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you can come if you want to. So I joined them and the other

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people from the Central forty Zoology went
out and not look back in so seriously

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got into it. Wow. Man, the synchronous, like the coincidences and

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synchronicities for that all to happen is
wild chances. Yeah, I didn't realize

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he lived in Exeter as well,
but the chance of me reading the article

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and he was literally just past the
bottom of street was freaky. Such a

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cool story. Yeah, it's almost
meant to be getting he's one of my

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best mates now nice yeah, yeah, and me and other friends with me

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and stuff and yeah, I've been
like to North America. I've been to

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Carbadina, Bulgaria, which is there
in Russia looking for the almast Oh yeah,

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yeah. So I've been to Nepal
as well, interviewing people about YETI

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sightings. And although the last time
I was there, I've got a possible

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interview with a professor there is I
think he does economic stuff, but he's

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also written books on Yetti's and he
had a theory that Yeti's have a migratory

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route, which is interesting because there's
some theory with bigfoots that they go from

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the mountain to the coast in the
winter, which is I thought was really

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interesting. And the bookseller said,
I just happened to know him. I'll

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arrange you to meet him. And
just as he was arranging the Nepal earthquake

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here, so I was in the
earthquake and we just had to get out

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of there because really there was still
quite happening. Yeah, I could meet

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him, but we're meeting people who'd
had like rocks thrown at them by Jettis

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and my friends. I just meeting
a friend, my friend's brother there.

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Suddenly my friend, who is a
sherphard, died and he he basically hides

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some guides and he said they came
back absolutely shaking with fear, like crying

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like children. He said, goodness, and they come up from they were

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a purna circuit and he said,
what's the matter, what's marrying. He

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said he ended up hugging them,
which he would normally do. It's not

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really he said that they were like
a little children crying, he said,

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and he said the manner, and
he said, big man monkey threw rocks

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of us. And he said how
big were the rocks? And they basically

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the coffee table size, So it
wasn't going to be a macaque. And

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they said what did it look like? And they said taller than any white

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man. They get quite a few
Americans in Kapman, about six foot seven

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and they said, they said white
man, and they said it had no

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tails. So I'm pretty sure it
was a YETI from the description, but

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he rocked. The massive guy in
Exeter actually had sin a yetti. When

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he was thirteen, Dad climbing lower
peaks. He was there this forest area

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and he saw something standing up and
he thought, what's that? He thought

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it was a bear, and suddenly
this thing panicked and as it was on

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all fours, and he described it
having a face like a cat. So

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he said, you've got what the
bear knows, but the rest of its

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hair and flat face. And he
said it was standing up right and he

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looked man like, and sudden it
went on all fours and panics and sort

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of running off falls, and it
gamboled him over. He just slightly staggered

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a bit and fell backwards, and
then all their has grabbed his camera off

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and said, like this thing.
So, yeah, this was just a

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casual conversation with a guy in my
town. YETI as well, So I

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love it. That's amazing. Oh
man, wow, you have really gotten

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to yourself into some crazy adventures,
haven't you. Yeah, that chance meeting.

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Yeah, the one in Russia was
quite I've obviously done not big but

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stuff that's my area, but the
one in Russia was quite interesting. Originally,

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I think they wondered what we were
because there was no other Westerners in

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the area or anything. Really had
the police come and sit with us,

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and a detective kept joining us every
night, and I thought I were going

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to get arrested. And then he
said, we thought you might be some

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spies or something, but we realized
you were just crazy scientists. And they

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all completely believed in it. They
all said, I don't know why you're

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interested in it. It's just a
normal animal. No way, they view

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it as a normal animal, Yeah, said loads of them. We don't

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know what why you're so interested.
Yeah, they were just amused as to

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why we'd be out there looking for
it. They said, why didn't you

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look for bears whatever. They just
couldn't understand where we were looking for this

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thing, because they knew it existed. Yeah, and I have this really

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bizarre conversation. We interviewed this guy
who was an ex priest okay, and

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he'd been with this was the time
of Iron Curtain, and I don't know

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what he'd done, but he ended
up in jail and no longer a priest.

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But he was telling us, and
this guy was quite incredible. It

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has been a priest telling us how
his grandmother used to have one in the

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garden and our mastery, which is
the master know, it's a bit my

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friends have sinnate to my friends Ukrainian
friends, and they said it looked a

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bit like nostril epithecus that was the
closest to lucy mat And he was basically

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saying his grandmother had one coming to
the garden and it was throwing a few

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things to start with. When she
fed it. It was a female one

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and then it got quite tame and
it'd sit next to her grandmother and she

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fed it and then actually, this
could be quite useful because it could be

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aggressive, but it's okay with me. So she tamed it and she put

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straw down in the shed and it
used to sleep there. So she basically

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ended up with this hominid guard doc. Okay, So anybody would literally throw

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rocks at them. Yeah, this
is funny because so I did an interview

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last week with a researcher from Alaska
Fairbanks area, and she shared a story

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with me from the eighteen sixties that
hasn't passed down in her area. It's

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not in a book at all that
she's aware of, where it's very similar

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to that where there was an older
grandmother where there was pretty much like a

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younger bigfoot and it became almost like
her son and was helping out, and

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like after she was gone, it
just disappeared. I got told the one

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up at ocean shores by the First
Nation people said there was an elderly chap

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who lived on the edge of the
ocean shaws who used to like feed this

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quite a large I think it was
a male big foot and sit on the

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bench with it and then regularly meet
in every night handed food. And then

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he said the old man disappeared.
Nobody saw it, but he said,

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oh yeah, we all remember that. It was just like a normal thing.

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Yeah, no more thing for them. You had mentioned that you've gone

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to North America for expeditions as well. Do you mind sharing about some of

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that. Yeah, quite a few
times. And the first time that Davies

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and Laurie Simmons and we got the
we got the sort of camera trap photo

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that's quite controversial. I really don't
know what that was, but we did

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have you can see it on YouTube
Extreme Expeditions. It comes up, and

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we did have one of our members
is quite stocky Crauch, in the same

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position. But somebody else's analysis has
said from judging Dave's height compared to this

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thing was about eight feet tall.
It's quite but we don't know. We

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didn't know whether it was. I
think we were just open minded with is

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it one of us sort of sleeping
bag or it just looked too large.

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Very strange that it was just no
footprints because the groun's just really solid.

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It just dust even get But we
did see about ten to fifteen miles away

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from there, we did find some
really good big foot foot prints which we

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could tell were cast. Some of
those got some okay cool, and you

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could see it was something really heavy
because I was in lud, I jump

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off a log and so whether I
recreate the depth and I was just nowhere

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near the deck quite heavy and you
could actually see where it's toad like crunched

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down trying to get hold as it
went up. It was slow, but

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they were pretty and they got the
one after the other. They're not side

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by side, they're like one after
the other, and that's they look quite

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authentic. And I also heard what
I think was a howl. Yeah,

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just as I was getting my tents. The others had gone over the other

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side, but I could hear what
sounded like. How was it like?

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Are you familiar with the Ohio howl
from the early nineties, like that one?

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Yes, it's the one you hear
on the TV shows. Yeah,

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that's yeah. Yeah. But the
big sitement stuff really starts to happen with

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twenty fourteen and went out with Tom
Cantrial. Tom. I've met Tom on

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the first one. Yeah, totally
cool and we went. Quite a few

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of us met up and we went
just outside Orleans. There's a logging road

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up there is the os or a
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in the name anyway. It was
in twenty fourteen, and we got there

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and you could clearly see what looked
like big footprints within minutes over the antills

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if big footprints, thought, whoa, this is good. And then about

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it's about three or four days in. We were regularly would drive to Willow

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Creek just to get a meal,
which is about forty miles away. Now

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the logging road's really good. It's
oh do you call it? And what

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you call it's like gravelly stuff,
but it can drive quite fast on it

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quite safely, and then bits of
campsite you have to go really slow.

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But we were going along. There
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suddenly see from a distance, and
I really annoyed because it was that I

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was just charging my camcorder batteries and
all the times that I've had it jammed

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in with my next support thing.
Oh no, these things from a distance

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and they looked like two men in
all in one suit stop suits with a

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hood up, but bare feet.
And I said to Tom, God,

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what are these idiots doing killing their
feet on there? God? Do you

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think they're drug runners? Aren't they
he starts laughing and he said, what

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are you here to look for or
something that's awesome? Yeah, yeah,

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better that though. They then ran
out into burnt trees and then panicked because

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they couldn't get covered because it was
literally burnt out for miles on the one

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side, but not on the other. Sure, And then they suddenly came

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back in front of the car,
and I'm talking, I got my head

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turned tom I heard him yell and
suddenly they're right in front of the car

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and he slammed on the brakes and
manages to stop and he's skidding because it's

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like quite gravelly and for us literally
for about a second and a half,

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they just stood there because they don't
know where to go. And you tell

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them, we are panicking. They
were like wrapping their faces like twitching or

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the one you could I were just
looking at them, you know, flicking

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to the one I was looking at
mainly, and you could sell their faces

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twitching. They were that close.
There were panicking. They didn't know what

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to do, and then they shot
down a really steep slope, which afterwards,

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it's funny people do this that I've
read it very consistent. People will

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see them and not stop because your
brain go not it doesn't know what to

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do. My brains also wouldn't have
said to stop because think they're just really

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weird looking for your brain's trying to
rationalize it's going to be something else.

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Yeah, but also you don't.
But for Tom it was the novelty.

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He hardly like, oh yeah,
glad you've seen them sort of thing.

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He hardly reacted because Tom sent them
loads of times. And Allah Leach was

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in the back as well well,
and she she didn't react too much because

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she's she's to them as well.
But they were like Leach Collins. I've

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never pronounced her name right. I'll
check though and let you know. But

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Alla, I know is Ala,
but collect that's it I think. Anyway,

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she was in the back as well. She's been half asleep, so

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she woke up just to see them
shooting over this slope. But it was

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a close up. You could see
the It wasn't fir. It was like

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hair all over, just like this, all over apart from the face,

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which was a lot bearer, and
the hands looked a lot bare and some

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of the feet a little bit on
the chest, but you could see it.

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The face was really not their eyes
were a lot bigger than I expected.

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They were all dark any white at
all. They were quite spooky looking

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eyes, very deep deep brow,
ridge pointed head blood his dome's head like

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a gorilla subgectal cust possibly and mass
shoulders and shoulders are about to in our

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foot across. Oh, very but
it was almost like an inverted triangle.

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So they've got the very broad shoulder. And the legs were incredibly thin.

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You know, they weren't stocky like
they could train some images. They were

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like human's legs. That's the top
was a bit like a rugby player in

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England or I don't know what you
call rugby there, but the rugby players

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don't have much neck. They're very
muscilar. You couldn't say much neck as

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well. Yeah, yeah, remind
me how far away were they when you're

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taking a look at them, I
reckon, I said fifteen feet. Tom

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said twenty feet, and I said
they were six and a half and seven

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foot tall. Tom said there were
seven and seven and a half feet all

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these exportces. So he's probably going
to be and he's an ex logger,

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he's probably better at judging distances.
Sure, yeah, you said northern California

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area, because you were driving into
Bluff Creek. Yeah, it was basically

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we found that afterwards. It's two
and a half miles from black Clak where

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we saw the Wow humbold I think
this Humble County something like that. Yeah,

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yeah, Oh that's fascinating, curious. I don't think you mentioned this.

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You remember color scheme at all.
They were like very dark. It

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was almost like black, but like
slaty gray. But I think they were

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black because it was very dusty.
I think the dust have given me of

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slaty gray, but I think they're
actually black or very dark round. But

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they looked almost like slaty gray.
We have Welsh late and that's like a

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very dark gray. Seeing So looking
at the figures, looking at the faces,

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did that evoke any emotions, particularly
in you. I always find that

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interesting. I think there's basically it's
like seeing a unicorn in the middle of

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the road. You just go,
I can't believe I'm seeing this in your

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brains, going oh, it can't
be that. It must be drug runners.

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A must be drug runners up there. You know. I was thinking,

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if they're wearing a big wellly suit
in that weather, it was hot,

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it was really cold at night,
was really hot in the day,

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they'd be black, as Tom said, they'd be blacking out. They would

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not cope with that heat. Your
brain's rationalized, And are they just really

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ugly blokes? And I think,
I hope I'm never going to end up

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in an interview with this guy.
But I would describe the face like a

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really ugly got very similar features to
him. That's amazing. Yeah, how

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human? Wow, that's speaking.
I'll find you the net surname and hopeless

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on her surname. But she says
some of them are actually quite had by

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human terms. Some of them are
quite eight in summer. I say,

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really, collect, isn't that another
researcher from the UK? Or No,

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she's from originally from Texas. Really, I've never heard that name before.

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She's written as well experiences as a
child. She and mother came across a

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couple and she's been interesting to check
check that out. So that's interesting.

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They're saying that some of them were
almost better looking than others, or like

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some of them, Yeah, the
ugly ones and the pretty ones. There's

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who look out like I know some
people have said, is it a sub

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breed or are they just like people. You're going to get ugly people and

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pretty people, and yeah, yeah, sure is there I know with Richard's

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that organization they sometimes would make I
haven't watched you all the stuff on YouTube.

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They've got a lot of stuff.
Is there footage available to watch of

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that expedition or is like a private
thing the one I did with Tom?

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I have got what it's fun.
I've y busy with work. I've not

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got around putting stuff together. I
did do a bit of filming. Yeah,

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it's yeah, none of those things. Yeah, I know things,

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it's I get it. Yeah.
I often try to get other people to

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film there. I have actually done
filmmaking courses connected it, but not compiling

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it. Although I have made friends
with the guy with the production company,

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Brian Sterlet, and we're hoping to
do stuff together. He's x BBC cameraman

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'st so that's that should be good. Is there is there footage of the

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Bigfoot or no? Okay, it's
one of those things charging the camera.

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But I think even if I'd have
the camera there and know, people are

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often asked like why the one with
We've got quite a lot of film with

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the one with Adam Davis has lady. The photo has been published. But

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I think the thing is when you
see one there, it's like the Jeremy

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Holden, while I've camera from Australia, when he saw in the Randpendic acting

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quick to film stuff and he just
dropped his camera from what I here,

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It's just you can't be prepared for
it. You can't your brains in shock.

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I think if I saw one a
second time, but even the second

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time I had the rock throwing incidents, which is highly likely to be one

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that was. That was just after
the Sasquatch Summit. It was one of

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the Saturday night it was on in
November a couple of years ago. And

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Brooklyn and saysco who films the summit. He normally works in television and film.

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We always tried to do a little
tiny expedition on Saturday night, go

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out for a couple of hours because
it's prime big area there. And we

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asked Johnny, who runs a summit, is there anything activity and he said,

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yeah, we've had solid activity a
couple of miles away, and he

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gave us the rough location. He
said, yeah, we've had loads of

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loads of sightings of a big book. So we went out to this location

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and went down a little loggin road
there and we just randomly choked just part

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of the car. I went down
this loggin road probably about half a mile,

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and I'd see the car. I
could get a thermal image of the

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car engine still from where I was. So we went that far but probably

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put a mile half a mile and
it was a very small logging road,

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very strange actually, and we started
doing the whoops. We started doing,

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but it were knocking the howl.
I'm pretty good at the woops, and

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Bob scared people. They think it's
the real thing, but we didn't.

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It was a bit of a laugh. Really. We didn't really expect to

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get anything. It was raining a
little, so we couldn't really use much

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equipment. I was using my thermal
for a bit when it stopped raining.

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But the undergrowth was so thick the
trees hadn't been thinned out, really thick.

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You couldn't really see through. And
we carried on to in expect anything.

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And suddenly Brooklyn just grabs me and
he goes, oh, I've just

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heard a growl and I can hear
something in the undergrowth. And he said,

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I said, what was a growl
like? And he said like this,

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and it sound I said, my
god, that sounds like a silver

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back gorilla, because I've sat with
gorillas and the sound he did was just

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like an annoyed gorilla sound. I
thought, whoah, I said, but

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he also could be a bear.
They did a healthy and all yees,

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it could be. So we were
getting a little bit sick. It was

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such a small path. Unless you
could run back to the car of something

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blocked your path, you'd have nowhere
to go. Couldn't get through the undergrowth.

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It's too thick, so a little
bit panicy at this point would be

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quite vulnerable. And then and then
you heard the undergrowth. Initially it was

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really quiet, though we thought it
was like a raccoon, and then we

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heard the ground. It was a
just a bit louder, but not that

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crack. It was like, you
know, relatively quiet. But then you

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heard but this sound that the grunt
was literally about foot above brooklyn sad,

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and Brooklyn's about six foot three six
five, so the ground was black.

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So you thought, oh, this
thing's too so we're starting. But it

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could have been a bear on its
hind legs. But then we had a

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pine cone thrown at our feet and
oh, it's got comes And I said,

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probably just walling off the tree,
don't panic. And suddenly a little

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stone came right in front of my
face and I thought, oh my god,

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it's definitely got hounds. So we
were like starting to panic at this

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point, and I think Brooklyn did
wrong thing. He called his machete out,

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swinging his touch. We just panicked. It was close. This thing

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was no more than four or five
feet away. Yeah, yeah, it

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was that little wow. Yeah,
he had a little tiny small machetes that

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could have been it. Yeah,
it wasn't a good choice anyway, whatever

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it was, maybe it was a
good choice. You don't know. You

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don't know, but it was.
Whatever it was, I'm pretty sure it

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wasn't a human because the next thing
that came hurtling through was probably something like

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that. It was like, but
it was with such force actually, and

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the ground was quite hard. It
wasn't completely frozen, but it was quite

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hard the ground. It literally went
into the ground and it smashed every stone

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it hit in their hard stones.
And the force this thing was thrown it

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was like, I don't know,
when do you have shot putting as a

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just a shot putter. I thought, oh my God, that's not a

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human. Initially Brooklyn shout, stop
pacing around, stopped feeling around. He

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thought it was a human. We'd
possibly set up. But the force,

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unless somebody had a catapult on them, randomly sat in winter, but would

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have been about half tent nearly eleven
at night, and they wouldn't have got

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it through. It must have.
I'm pretty sure it was a big foot.

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And the growl it was like you
said, this is a colleague of

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yours named Brooklyn. Brooklyn, he's
the guy who films the Sasquat Summit.

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Yeah, he's normally he does like
production manager stuff and all sorts of other

406
00:29:41.400 --> 00:29:48.079
stuff as well the television. Yeah, and I am not overly familiar with

407
00:29:48.119 --> 00:29:52.480
the Sasquatch Summit. Tell me a
little more about that. It's really good.

408
00:29:52.799 --> 00:29:56.839
Everybody gets there on the Friday nights. There's a little bit of social

409
00:29:56.960 --> 00:30:00.960
thing there and then most of it's
on the Sat. They it's very unmusical.

410
00:30:00.000 --> 00:30:03.240
In the English conferences, it would
be wholes the whole Sunday, but

411
00:30:04.000 --> 00:30:08.359
people traveling long distances it can't.
You can't do that in this country.

412
00:30:08.440 --> 00:30:11.359
So in that country it's a bit
unusual for me. But I find it

413
00:30:11.519 --> 00:30:15.160
literally starts about eight nine in the
morning and carries on all the way through,

414
00:30:15.240 --> 00:30:18.880
and we find that bit of a
challenge. In England, we like

415
00:30:18.000 --> 00:30:26.119
our breaks, so many lectures and
it's really good. There's there. They

416
00:30:26.200 --> 00:30:33.200
often have Bob gimblin there the UK
friends. No, we haven't had one

417
00:30:33.279 --> 00:30:36.640
yet. In the UK. Tom
contrill ages and goes trying to get one

418
00:30:37.000 --> 00:30:42.559
started in the UK, and we
do have one's general cryptosomology and unusual phenomena,

419
00:30:42.640 --> 00:30:45.519
but we've not had a big foot
one. It'd be great if we

420
00:30:45.559 --> 00:30:48.519
could get one, because I'm sure
we'd fill it. That'd be crazy.

421
00:30:48.759 --> 00:30:56.799
Yeah, it's a US thing then
the US, Yeah, Washington State.

422
00:30:56.039 --> 00:31:00.680
Yeah, okay, I'm going a
feed back will be like, you've never

423
00:31:00.720 --> 00:31:07.160
heard of this, But I think
it's one of the biggest conferences. That

424
00:31:07.319 --> 00:31:15.799
makes me feel even more amazing.
Tom a great Boma. As I said,

425
00:31:15.920 --> 00:31:19.400
he's actually very close friends with Tom
Cantrell, so I know Bob he's

426
00:31:19.480 --> 00:31:25.440
great. I was watching that Clark
Mysterious World. I never thought I'd end

427
00:31:25.519 --> 00:31:30.839
up friends with Bob. Didn't go
back. Oh my god, that's funny,

428
00:31:30.839 --> 00:31:33.559
because I wonder if that's like how
everyone in America is like I watched

429
00:31:33.599 --> 00:31:37.400
In Search Of as a little kid. I want is that like the British

430
00:31:37.400 --> 00:31:44.359
equivalent, like the artist in search
of? Yeah, wasn't it? Yeah

431
00:31:44.400 --> 00:31:47.839
exactly. Yeah, yeah, I've
got that one as well that we used

432
00:31:47.839 --> 00:31:52.519
to get that as well. Yeah, very similar obviously, the guy who

433
00:31:52.599 --> 00:31:57.559
designed the satellite Yeah good per Center
as well. Yeah, similar stuff.

434
00:31:57.559 --> 00:32:00.920
Really, yeah, gotcha, I've
to check it out. So you said

435
00:32:00.960 --> 00:32:05.599
you met Bob Gyman back in the
eighties. Oh no, no, I

436
00:32:05.640 --> 00:32:08.720
saw him on this program in the
eighties. Oh okay, yeah, when

437
00:32:08.759 --> 00:32:14.200
I was you know, about ten
years old, eight, nine years old,

438
00:32:14.279 --> 00:32:17.640
something like that. But obviously I
know him there because I've met him

439
00:32:17.640 --> 00:32:21.799
at the Summit. He's friends with, very close friends with Tom Cantrell is

440
00:32:21.839 --> 00:32:25.079
my main mentor really so yeah,
really weird how I've actually got to know

441
00:32:25.200 --> 00:32:30.240
this guy as a child I've been
watching on this thing. That's so cool.

442
00:32:30.759 --> 00:32:34.519
It's wonderful for me. It's such
a nice and so honest as well.

443
00:32:35.200 --> 00:32:37.480
You meet him, and Tom said, you'll know in the first ten

444
00:32:37.519 --> 00:32:42.880
minutes the guy didn't fake it and
really transparent guy, really incredibly honest,

445
00:32:43.599 --> 00:32:49.000
very religious and genuinely wants to help
people. Really nice guy, and he'll

446
00:32:49.079 --> 00:32:52.119
say I could have been filled by
Patterson. He could have set me up.

447
00:32:52.200 --> 00:32:53.960
I'm pretty sure because this guy would
have been in this suit for days

448
00:32:54.200 --> 00:32:58.000
and he probably would have been a
taped by Bear and he would have got

449
00:32:58.039 --> 00:33:02.079
really could I'm pretty sure it was
real. You'll be very honest that he

450
00:33:02.160 --> 00:33:07.680
could. He said, I'm pretty
sure. That's so amazing. I hear

451
00:33:07.720 --> 00:33:10.599
a version of that from everyone that
I interview that has met him, So

452
00:33:10.759 --> 00:33:16.279
you're definitely dead on with that.
Yeah, that's cool. I have a

453
00:33:16.319 --> 00:33:24.839
few listeners that are starting to get
into actually interviewing witnesses of maybe different types

454
00:33:24.880 --> 00:33:30.960
of cryptid sightings. Do you and
I know we've talked about this at the

455
00:33:30.000 --> 00:33:36.799
beginning, but any advice for them
as they start off with maybe their best

456
00:33:36.839 --> 00:33:42.000
practices when they start off their first
interview of a witness. I think no

457
00:33:42.200 --> 00:33:46.160
leading questions. I think that's an
important thing really with anything like that.

458
00:33:46.279 --> 00:33:52.759
Don't ask leading questions. Just let
the people speak, get the description first.

459
00:33:52.880 --> 00:33:55.119
You can ask questions later on,
but just let them speak, because

460
00:33:55.119 --> 00:34:00.079
if somebody is confabulating, if they
are making it up, given them hues

461
00:34:00.599 --> 00:34:04.480
what you want. So I think
it's good to just let them speak,

462
00:34:04.599 --> 00:34:07.159
just say tell us what you saw, and just don't say anything. So

463
00:34:08.079 --> 00:34:13.920
I think that's and you can also
for consistency in the report. Really but

464
00:34:14.079 --> 00:34:19.039
sometimes interesting in court. A couple
of friends of mine who are judges have

465
00:34:19.199 --> 00:34:25.039
said inconsistency is sometimes a good thing
to indicate to you through if somebody's lying.

466
00:34:25.159 --> 00:34:30.280
They're often rehearse the story a bit
too well, and they're too consistent

467
00:34:30.880 --> 00:34:34.760
a little bit. And also it's
in like child abuse cases, people are

468
00:34:34.800 --> 00:34:38.679
stressed. They're often memories not that
good because when you're seeing something you're scared

469
00:34:38.719 --> 00:34:44.760
of, your primitive brain kicks in
your low brain centers, and that's often

470
00:34:45.239 --> 00:34:50.119
out of time sequence. It's often
not very good because that's your reptile brain

471
00:34:50.280 --> 00:34:53.639
is often not very it doesn't really
have the concept of time or sequence.

472
00:34:53.800 --> 00:34:58.679
If you've got two the person said, oh it's exactly, I can say,

473
00:34:58.719 --> 00:35:00.559
oh, yeah, it was about
twenty two four because we both purposely

474
00:35:00.599 --> 00:35:06.559
look to the clock. But you
get some people's stories there's too much that

475
00:35:06.719 --> 00:35:12.639
sort of detail, which with somebody's
adrenaline going make sticky. Yeah, there's

476
00:35:12.639 --> 00:35:19.760
too much. That's fascinating. Yeah, No, I keep people keep encouraging

477
00:35:19.800 --> 00:35:23.400
me to. You need to,
you absolutely need to. Oh wow,

478
00:35:24.639 --> 00:35:30.639
I'm really surprised you haven't. The
stories you've been telling people keep telling me

479
00:35:30.719 --> 00:35:32.840
I need to. And I think
it would be good to do book from

480
00:35:32.840 --> 00:35:42.199
an English person's perspective visiting America to
look other people in UK you do go

481
00:35:42.320 --> 00:35:46.559
over to be quite good to get
involved with them, really the journals.

482
00:35:46.599 --> 00:35:52.079
But yeah, you could even just
record yourself talking and have someone transcribe it

483
00:35:52.119 --> 00:35:55.719
to That might be an option to
But yeah, that would be so cool.

484
00:35:55.760 --> 00:36:01.360
I know plenty of people that would
be into reading the viewpoint of big

485
00:36:01.400 --> 00:36:07.679
footing in the Pacific Northwest northern California
from someone from the UK. That would

486
00:36:07.719 --> 00:36:09.559
be so cool. And that's I
don't think that book has ever been written.

487
00:36:10.239 --> 00:36:15.000
Yeah, I wrote quite a chunk
of my experiences in Richard Freeman's Adventures

488
00:36:15.000 --> 00:36:20.800
in Cryptism. Oh, it's a
section in there about mine, my two

489
00:36:21.800 --> 00:36:24.519
experiences, so they're in there.
But yeah, it is quite It's that

490
00:36:24.639 --> 00:36:30.000
further step, isn't it. The
book. It's a big challenge. And

491
00:36:30.039 --> 00:36:34.000
my friend Richard Freeman, he's just
written loads and I just don't know how

492
00:36:34.000 --> 00:36:37.239
he does it. I don't know
either he's Peter Lows as well. It's

493
00:36:37.280 --> 00:36:43.119
like the whole research behind it as
well. Yeah. Yeah, Man,

494
00:36:43.199 --> 00:36:50.719
if we had the the same determination
over here, imagine how much would be

495
00:36:50.760 --> 00:36:55.039
putting out in the US. Yeah, Richard is putting out some serious books.

496
00:36:55.639 --> 00:37:00.519
Yeah. Is there any place that
you haven't gotten to investigate yet that

497
00:37:00.599 --> 00:37:06.360
you would that's on the bucket list. I'd like love you town because I

498
00:37:06.559 --> 00:37:10.880
love to go there. It's amazing
country. I've only recently allowed internet there

499
00:37:10.960 --> 00:37:16.039
because they're worried about corrupting people.
And the prince, one of the princes

500
00:37:16.119 --> 00:37:22.440
there is seriously into YETI hunting program, wasn't he what's it called the one?

501
00:37:22.519 --> 00:37:25.719
Anyway, this English guy went out
there with the team. They'd spotted

502
00:37:25.760 --> 00:37:30.360
a Yeti in this certain area that'd
been foot prints found, and they managed

503
00:37:30.400 --> 00:37:35.360
to get environmental DNA, which is
DNA from water and soil, and they

504
00:37:35.440 --> 00:37:39.280
got a DNA that looked in between
the human and the mate and it was

505
00:37:39.599 --> 00:37:45.000
proper DNA. But they interviewed the
one of the princes of you tawn and

506
00:37:45.199 --> 00:37:46.920
how ever, will you allow an
interview? But he was so serious and

507
00:37:46.920 --> 00:37:52.440
he I've set up a YETI reserve
and he's seriously into it. He sent

508
00:37:52.559 --> 00:37:55.519
one of it. He couldn't go
himself. He sent one of these representatives

509
00:37:55.559 --> 00:38:00.719
and they, oh yeah, it's
quite seriou, which is great. I

510
00:38:00.719 --> 00:38:06.119
have to check that out. That's
awesome. Yeah, I am going to.

511
00:38:06.880 --> 00:38:10.519
So I got the list of questions
here, So these are they're interesting

512
00:38:10.639 --> 00:38:14.440
questions. There might be some that
are like, oh, that's a little

513
00:38:14.440 --> 00:38:20.039
departure still into kind of cryptozoology.
But just we'll see. But is there

514
00:38:20.079 --> 00:38:24.280
anything that I should ask you that
I didn't know enough to ask? Oh?

515
00:38:24.360 --> 00:38:29.920
Yeah, interesting, right, Oh
don't I you could definitely What else

516
00:38:29.960 --> 00:38:34.519
do I do apart from cryptosology?
That's true, Yeah, that's relevant to

517
00:38:34.559 --> 00:38:38.400
this program. I do paranormal investigation
as well, so oh man, yeah

518
00:38:39.119 --> 00:38:44.920
different yeah yeah, but it's similar
overlap because you're used to using night vision

519
00:38:45.039 --> 00:38:49.199
stuff. Yeah, so similar stuff, and it also another thing where it

520
00:38:49.360 --> 00:38:52.880
tests your reality really and you are
you willing this to open up to stuff?

521
00:38:52.920 --> 00:38:57.719
And I've had some pretty weird experiences
with that as well, So it

522
00:38:57.760 --> 00:39:00.960
makes me a lot more receptive to
big boots. I've actually had what seems

523
00:39:01.000 --> 00:39:04.880
to be ghosts to do things to
order for me, and I've asked them

524
00:39:04.880 --> 00:39:07.039
to, and I thought, so, yeah, that's some weird stuff,

525
00:39:07.119 --> 00:39:13.880
so big, but it's not weird
to be anymore really normal? Is there

526
00:39:15.119 --> 00:39:22.320
is there an incident in that paranormal
research that made you completely change your worldview.

527
00:39:22.000 --> 00:39:27.119
I think the first time you get
an experience, I think it really

528
00:39:27.159 --> 00:39:29.800
throws you. I was out.
I don't know whether you've ever seen Most

529
00:39:29.880 --> 00:39:37.599
Haunted Ghost program with David Wells and
have also done stuff caring at Keith and

530
00:39:37.679 --> 00:39:42.719
I just appeared on TAPS and I
was I did an investigation with David and

531
00:39:42.800 --> 00:39:47.239
this group and it I just got
some very bright light us on the camera

532
00:39:49.039 --> 00:39:52.960
and it just I thought, ohoh. And for six months I couldn't go.

533
00:39:52.039 --> 00:39:55.239
It was my first experience. I
couldn't go ghost dunting it completely freaking

534
00:39:55.320 --> 00:39:59.599
out. I thought, oh my
goodness, they really exist. I'd had

535
00:40:00.119 --> 00:40:05.920
some weird stuff when I were younger
with experiences, but it really threw my

536
00:40:06.000 --> 00:40:08.679
sense of reality for a while.
And I think I showed to some people

537
00:40:08.719 --> 00:40:14.400
who just couldn't bear looking at it
scared them. And I think that first

538
00:40:14.440 --> 00:40:17.440
experience, and I've had other things
that are just so bizarre. Had one

539
00:40:19.320 --> 00:40:23.159
pub called Carrick Barton used to being
part of the bits of it. It

540
00:40:23.880 --> 00:40:27.920
was a monastery that was knocked down
and then it was rebuilt a school,

541
00:40:28.280 --> 00:40:34.679
then public house, and it's really
haunted. It's been investigated by loads of

542
00:40:34.719 --> 00:40:37.840
the television teams. It's loads of
monk ghosts, you name, it's got

543
00:40:37.840 --> 00:40:43.239
it. And we have this one
that you'd be there and the door handle

544
00:40:43.239 --> 00:40:45.559
would be a bang bank and we
couraually bunk it to check it wasn't sucked

545
00:40:45.599 --> 00:40:50.599
air because there was another door behind
it. It wasn't, And then we

546
00:40:50.719 --> 00:40:52.119
study in front of it and there
were six of us, I think,

547
00:40:52.960 --> 00:40:58.480
and we weren't really thinking anything would
happened. We just said, oh,

548
00:40:58.559 --> 00:41:02.760
we know you're there, and do
you mind moving the door handle again?

549
00:41:02.840 --> 00:41:07.159
And as we watched it was about
four or five of us, I think

550
00:41:07.199 --> 00:41:09.719
a couple of them couldn't see it. They'b skewed by a bit of furniture.

551
00:41:09.760 --> 00:41:13.800
But you could see a white light, like a ball of white light

552
00:41:13.920 --> 00:41:17.599
almost looked like plasma, like almost
like plankton. These programs illuminated from the

553
00:41:17.679 --> 00:41:22.239
back and it was slightly moving like
in a meeba. It was circular,

554
00:41:22.239 --> 00:41:25.199
but it would change shape literally came
out of the wall, went towards this

555
00:41:25.320 --> 00:41:30.440
door handle and then the door.
We are all the voices that got really

556
00:41:30.519 --> 00:41:35.679
high, just go might do it
again and again and then you know,

557
00:41:35.760 --> 00:41:38.719
at that time we said thank you
very much and then the ball of light

558
00:41:38.800 --> 00:41:45.880
went back into the wall. Were
oh my goodness, shack up. Yeah

559
00:41:45.920 --> 00:41:49.599
wow, what that was in England? It was in England, Yeah,

560
00:41:50.559 --> 00:41:57.360
Barton Pub and in Exeter and Devon
and it's been it's got monk ghosts.

561
00:41:57.679 --> 00:42:01.079
I will ghost and will do things
to order. Yeah, she quite Yeah,

562
00:42:01.199 --> 00:42:06.480
she'll giggle in your ear and she'll
in the kitchen, but she'll actually

563
00:42:06.880 --> 00:42:09.360
do stuff if you asked her to
do it. It's freaky. Yeah,

564
00:42:09.440 --> 00:42:15.199
no thanks, you got all those. Yeah, very receptive ghosts. But

565
00:42:15.320 --> 00:42:19.599
that was freaky. It's like the
little girl you know, and say,

566
00:42:19.639 --> 00:42:23.599
will you stand next to somebody?
But you'll tell the ghost and not them,

567
00:42:23.639 --> 00:42:27.119
and then you'll see it. You
can feel the call spot and it's

568
00:42:27.119 --> 00:42:31.280
always the person. Yeah, pranks
with a ghost. I love it.

569
00:42:31.920 --> 00:42:37.159
What are you most excited about right
now? That could could be anything?

570
00:42:37.760 --> 00:42:40.880
Oh I mean I want I'm just
about to live on a canal boat.

571
00:42:43.000 --> 00:42:47.320
Yeah. Yeah, so I've been
exploring reading up about haunted waterways and there's

572
00:42:47.360 --> 00:42:52.280
a loads of them. The Irish
navvies who built the canals loads of them

573
00:42:52.360 --> 00:42:55.400
died. It was really bad.
There a lot of safety things and there's

574
00:42:55.440 --> 00:43:00.320
loads of haunted tunnel. I'm really
waiting to get down there, but I

575
00:43:00.440 --> 00:43:02.800
really want to. I really want
to get back out to America and do

576
00:43:02.920 --> 00:43:08.440
some big foot research various people and
just want to get out of there and

577
00:43:08.639 --> 00:43:13.519
just get back. Yeah, but
it's quite frustrating at the moment. But

578
00:43:13.519 --> 00:43:19.159
I have been looking at more almasty
sightings in different areas of the world where

579
00:43:19.159 --> 00:43:23.599
those might be any Papa ne Guinea
stuff I do. I've not actually been

580
00:43:23.679 --> 00:43:28.360
there yet. I've gone in by
Rex Yappie talk to him quite a lot

581
00:43:28.639 --> 00:43:36.000
and about the ropun which is the
flying reptile possibly out there. Yeah,

582
00:43:36.239 --> 00:43:38.360
if there's going to be Allison,
it'll be there. But my do areas

583
00:43:38.360 --> 00:43:43.039
of Siberia just go on forever.
I've flown over Siberia and it just goes

584
00:43:43.039 --> 00:43:47.880
on for hours. So see that
Canada as well, isn't It's amazing there

585
00:43:47.960 --> 00:43:52.239
are the possibility of undiscovered creatures,
and I think New Guinea as well.

586
00:43:53.159 --> 00:44:00.079
There's so much that's been explored there, Rex say crypt as well just over

587
00:44:00.159 --> 00:44:04.480
there. Yeah, he's I think
he's the main one, if not the

588
00:44:04.519 --> 00:44:09.800
only book. He's the dude for
p Yeah, track that down, that

589
00:44:09.800 --> 00:44:15.039
would be cool. What are the
top books someone getting in the Bigfoot should

590
00:44:15.079 --> 00:44:19.039
have on their bookshelves? What do
you recommend? Although he is my very

591
00:44:19.039 --> 00:44:22.400
close friend, I wouldn't just say
this just because he's my friend. But

592
00:44:22.840 --> 00:44:27.440
Richard Freeman's Adventures and cryptos of Ology, he's already got what volume one,

593
00:44:27.679 --> 00:44:30.320
Volume two I think is coming out
about Ober. They are really well written,

594
00:44:31.199 --> 00:44:37.920
really good covers. Dragons at very
is very good researcher. He's like

595
00:44:37.960 --> 00:44:42.360
an encyclopedia, Richard. You just
ask him something, I'll tell you the

596
00:44:42.440 --> 00:44:45.840
day and who did it? And
yeah, got amazing memory. I like

597
00:44:45.000 --> 00:44:49.960
Tom Pal's book The Locals. That's
very good. And the pictures on the

598
00:44:49.960 --> 00:44:54.079
front are very authentic looking. Okay, so hold on, that's interesting,

599
00:44:54.239 --> 00:44:59.079
so very authentic, Like that matches
up with what you saw? Very similar,

600
00:44:59.400 --> 00:45:02.719
really very similar. Yeah, the
face amazing, that's right. Yeah.

601
00:45:04.000 --> 00:45:07.239
Now book the Autumn Williams did?
Was it called the one? Oh?

602
00:45:07.719 --> 00:45:10.960
It's got religious? What the one? That autumn Williams did about the

603
00:45:10.960 --> 00:45:14.760
bloke who reckoned he spent time with
the big Foot. I'm just trying to

604
00:45:14.800 --> 00:45:19.960
think that's it. Oh remember the
name of it now, but that the

605
00:45:20.079 --> 00:45:24.519
one, Yeah, that's amazingly closed
as well. Yeah, and also there's

606
00:45:24.519 --> 00:45:30.000
that other one the radio show guy
who saw one who got the face reconstructed.

607
00:45:30.159 --> 00:45:31.639
That was a bit similar. It
was a bit more ape like.

608
00:45:31.840 --> 00:45:36.599
But yeah, I've seen some and
it's made me go cold because they look

609
00:45:36.679 --> 00:45:40.880
so similar. And I've got a
bit shaky. Yeah, okay, some

610
00:45:42.000 --> 00:45:45.400
things have sent me a bit shaky
again. I'm almost reliving it because my

611
00:45:45.559 --> 00:45:50.360
sign was I almost recall it like
a road accident because your brain you're in

612
00:45:50.440 --> 00:45:55.440
shop And yeah, that is cool, not that you have to relive that,

613
00:45:55.559 --> 00:46:00.880
but just the fact that some book
covers we'll just be like bam,

614
00:46:01.000 --> 00:46:07.320
put you right back into that.
It sends you almost like you've got a

615
00:46:07.360 --> 00:46:10.639
car. It is the same feeling
shaky, And I mean it's oh,

616
00:46:10.920 --> 00:46:15.480
the lady who had the I've got
a name memory block tonight, and is

617
00:46:15.519 --> 00:46:20.960
it the lady got chased by the
big Foot to a car. She I

618
00:46:21.039 --> 00:46:24.480
interviewed just coffee with her at the
Sascot Summit and I saw it was always

619
00:46:24.519 --> 00:46:29.039
had she really or is it?
And I started chatting with her, and

620
00:46:29.079 --> 00:46:34.039
the legs and the chin started shaking, and I said, you've got really

621
00:46:34.079 --> 00:46:37.280
traumatized by that, and she said, yeah, I got really traumatized by

622
00:46:37.320 --> 00:46:39.840
it. And you could tell she
was recomed in a real event because she

623
00:46:39.960 --> 00:46:45.320
was like re living the norma and
she was shaking, and oh yeah.

624
00:46:45.559 --> 00:46:49.760
I think there's a good lesson there
that when we're interviewing witnesses we have to

625
00:46:49.800 --> 00:46:57.320
be very empathetic to what they've gone
through and oh yeah, connect with them

626
00:46:58.239 --> 00:47:01.239
and people with if needed. Yeah, with the rock phone, people said

627
00:47:01.239 --> 00:47:05.360
why don't you stay there and get
a shot, And I was like,

628
00:47:05.679 --> 00:47:09.840
I could have been killed of that
one rocket hit as it would have snapped

629
00:47:09.840 --> 00:47:15.800
your leg, hit your head,
you would have had your cult school practice,

630
00:47:15.320 --> 00:47:19.400
and you were so close to it, and we realized this thing was

631
00:47:19.400 --> 00:47:22.639
probably four or five feet away.
It would have just ripped you apart to

632
00:47:22.679 --> 00:47:27.360
come out. And I think people
say, you know, bigfoots are potentially

633
00:47:27.440 --> 00:47:30.920
friendly, but they're also potentially if
it's an eight gorillas, you have to

634
00:47:30.960 --> 00:47:36.960
really watch yourself. And they're in
a mountain gorilla can arm off just like

635
00:47:37.079 --> 00:47:42.719
that, what can a big foot? Because you have to be really careful

636
00:47:42.960 --> 00:47:45.400
with things. It's it could be
partly man, but it's also wild animal.

637
00:47:45.480 --> 00:47:51.760
And I think I think the habituation
stuff's quite good because it's got a

638
00:47:51.880 --> 00:47:54.079
choice. Then it can come up
to you, and I think that's a

639
00:47:54.119 --> 00:47:58.519
lot safer. But I think going
into the territory, especially if you've got

640
00:47:58.559 --> 00:48:04.119
young attack, so you've got to
be careful. And humans will attack if

641
00:48:04.119 --> 00:48:08.679
they're younger threatens. So I think
we all, yeah, when when that's

642
00:48:08.719 --> 00:48:15.840
involved? What what in your opinion
is bigfoot? I think it looked very

643
00:48:15.840 --> 00:48:20.760
similar. It's probably in a bowld
tominid. It looked very similar to Homo

644
00:48:20.840 --> 00:48:23.880
habilist. To me, it wasn't
anywhere near near in the AD at all.

645
00:48:24.280 --> 00:48:28.239
It wasn't as primitive. I wouldn't
have thought it was after the but

646
00:48:28.360 --> 00:48:34.400
it was like somewhere in between.
I would say, I wouldn't the pictures

647
00:48:34.440 --> 00:48:37.440
reconstructions. It's quite ap like.
It wasn't as ape like. It was

648
00:48:37.480 --> 00:48:40.119
a lot more. It was a
bit like a cross been a human and

649
00:48:40.239 --> 00:48:45.960
ape. You could sit characteristics of
an ape. You could also see early

650
00:48:45.039 --> 00:48:51.199
man characteristics sure, and I think
that there are sounds. I know people

651
00:48:51.199 --> 00:48:55.159
who've heard those. Yeah, John
Hammer, I know from the Erfurrow friend

652
00:48:55.159 --> 00:48:59.960
of mine. He was out camping
and he actually had something whacked aside of

653
00:49:00.079 --> 00:49:04.840
his truck really high, and then
he heard them and dog was terrified.

654
00:49:05.239 --> 00:49:09.239
What was that again? John Hammer? Okay, because I've heard a similar

655
00:49:09.320 --> 00:49:15.679
story from a gentleman Alabama. That's
how that happened too. He didn't believe

656
00:49:15.719 --> 00:49:21.280
it, but till he heard them
and they said exactly the description and what

657
00:49:21.360 --> 00:49:25.599
we're here on the tapes. Wow. Yeah, that would freak me out.

658
00:49:27.000 --> 00:49:34.360
Yeah, yeah, I've heard the
well heard. Yeah, able to

659
00:49:34.440 --> 00:49:37.679
record? Did you ever get anything
any sounds on tape? Or is a

660
00:49:37.719 --> 00:49:42.519
thing where it just happened? And
usually there's nothing happened. I tried to

661
00:49:42.840 --> 00:49:45.280
record, I think when I was
a Tom Cantrell's, but they were just

662
00:49:45.360 --> 00:49:49.559
too too far away. Really gotcha? Ye, you could hear them,

663
00:49:49.559 --> 00:49:53.840
but the sound recorded picking them up
possibly got It's a lot of it's finding.

664
00:49:54.199 --> 00:50:00.000
I do I want somebody who just
loves going through data willing to say

665
00:50:00.079 --> 00:50:02.360
it there. I occasionally managed to
get stuff out, but it's having the

666
00:50:02.440 --> 00:50:06.480
time, isn't it I've done it
with ghost stuff, but it's not a

667
00:50:06.519 --> 00:50:08.360
lot of these things. You've got
to sit there for hours and hours and

668
00:50:08.360 --> 00:50:12.920
you have got people in the CF
said who loved doing that. We sometimes

669
00:50:12.920 --> 00:50:15.920
hand them stuff, but it's having
that patient the time if you're working as

670
00:50:15.920 --> 00:50:20.639
well. I have got to really
get on a get created a website really

671
00:50:20.679 --> 00:50:23.679
and put this stuff up. I
think it sounds like almost a thing like

672
00:50:23.880 --> 00:50:29.440
David Ellis from the Olympic Project in
the Pacific Northwest. Yeah, he's the

673
00:50:29.559 --> 00:50:32.760
sound guy. Was like, he's
just pouring through everything looking after them.

674
00:50:32.880 --> 00:50:37.519
Yeah, stuff with me. Yeah, yeah, it's really good. It's

675
00:50:37.559 --> 00:50:42.519
really good analysis and yeaheah. He's
probably the type guy I would say,

676
00:50:42.960 --> 00:50:46.559
is Mathman good or something else?
Do you have any thoughts on marth Man.

677
00:50:47.119 --> 00:50:52.000
I'm not too sure about moth Man. I would say we've got the

678
00:50:52.159 --> 00:50:54.760
Jersey Devil. I think that was
probably a crane, quite frank. But

679
00:50:57.079 --> 00:50:59.960
it was also a political dig,
wasn't it. Somebody a lot of it.

680
00:51:00.239 --> 00:51:04.159
But I think the moth Man,
I don't know, really, it's

681
00:51:04.199 --> 00:51:07.440
bizarre. I think the brain can
create some amazing stuff. It can,

682
00:51:07.480 --> 00:51:14.239
really, and I think the CF
said John Downs and Richard Freeman, I

683
00:51:14.239 --> 00:51:17.199
did that there's a global monster template. They've looked into the idea that we've

684
00:51:17.199 --> 00:51:22.159
got these genetic memories. There were
things in the mass that used to attack

685
00:51:22.280 --> 00:51:25.480
us, and that because they were
big cats. We do get. It's

686
00:51:25.519 --> 00:51:30.239
another thing. I've been into big
cats as well in England looking for them.

687
00:51:30.320 --> 00:51:35.880
But they also showed the researcher showed
a bleating black shape to kids in

688
00:51:35.960 --> 00:51:39.719
Berlin they would very unlikely to see
a wild black cat and kids in the

689
00:51:40.199 --> 00:51:45.920
Amazon basin where they could see jaguars, whatever, and they were equally likely

690
00:51:45.960 --> 00:51:50.360
to interpret this shape as a big
black cat. Is it genetic memory?

691
00:51:50.400 --> 00:51:54.400
We can recognize spiders, we can
recognize snakes, and there's everything genetic memory.

692
00:51:54.440 --> 00:52:00.159
But is their genetic memory other things
that were perhaps other large apes that

693
00:52:00.239 --> 00:52:06.280
preyed on us or flying animals.
That's been brought up in an interview just

694
00:52:06.320 --> 00:52:09.239
the other day. Actually that same
exact notion. Yeah, and I'm sure

695
00:52:09.360 --> 00:52:15.480
Richard, I'll expand on that with
you. But sometimes these misinterpretations, I

696
00:52:15.559 --> 00:52:17.679
think, I think it's a shame
in the big foot field, people jump

697
00:52:17.719 --> 00:52:22.519
to conclusions. They see a shape
and it's a big butt and it doesn't

698
00:52:22.599 --> 00:52:24.920
do. It's better to just hold
back unless you've got something really good,

699
00:52:24.920 --> 00:52:30.159
because it's given the field of bad
reputation. I don't think scientists take it

700
00:52:30.199 --> 00:52:34.159
seriously because of that. I think
it's great to offer stuff and to get

701
00:52:34.199 --> 00:52:38.239
it debunked, but I think people
need to get something really good before they

702
00:52:38.280 --> 00:52:42.440
show it. I think it's a
difficult one, isn't it one. The

703
00:52:42.480 --> 00:52:45.519
other day, me and a couple
of people on the site quickly do banks

704
00:52:45.559 --> 00:52:49.599
porcupine a a tree? Now I'm
not even American, and I could tell

705
00:52:49.639 --> 00:52:52.360
it was a pup a tree.
I'm not used to seeing fortifying up trees,

706
00:52:52.400 --> 00:52:55.920
but it could figure it out.
Yeah. I think people just need

707
00:52:55.960 --> 00:52:59.960
to they get excited. I think
that's the thing they get. I think

708
00:53:00.159 --> 00:53:04.760
something they get extremely excited and you're
not thinking logically, And yeah, I

709
00:53:04.800 --> 00:53:07.880
agree, Yeah, great, enthusiasm
is great, but you need to be

710
00:53:08.039 --> 00:53:13.320
hold back a bit. Yeah.
Are we and I don't know if this

711
00:53:13.400 --> 00:53:15.920
is just the US thing, so
we'll see if it lands or not.

712
00:53:15.039 --> 00:53:20.320
Are we concerned enough about dog man
or do you have any thoughts about that?

713
00:53:20.519 --> 00:53:24.519
I did give a talk a while
back on dog Man Association for studying

714
00:53:24.559 --> 00:53:30.480
almost phenomena, which is like a
scientific group, and I did get I'm

715
00:53:30.599 --> 00:53:35.440
pretty sure I didn't realize Pat Spain
had come up with this theory that it

716
00:53:35.519 --> 00:53:42.159
was actually a bear with mane,
and I independently came up with it as

717
00:53:42.159 --> 00:53:47.039
well, and that even because the
zoologists biologists, he'd actually realized as well

718
00:53:47.079 --> 00:53:51.840
that it was seeing eating something like
that, and of course bears do that,

719
00:53:52.119 --> 00:53:55.599
not anything wolf like, so that
was even more God Yeah, that

720
00:53:57.360 --> 00:53:59.920
I think a lot of the time, and they look bizarre. They look

721
00:54:00.039 --> 00:54:02.800
they've lost their fat because a lot
of a bear is back when they lose

722
00:54:02.840 --> 00:54:07.559
that fat, and they're really scrawny
with mange that you suddenly a lot of

723
00:54:07.599 --> 00:54:12.039
them's fur as well. You've got
this real dog like and they are dogs

724
00:54:12.039 --> 00:54:15.280
and bears come from the same evolutionary
line, you can understand. But you

725
00:54:15.360 --> 00:54:20.440
see them, they really look like
a werewolf and they look really unusual.

726
00:54:20.840 --> 00:54:23.599
He said. The gentleman's name is
Pat Spain is Yeah, he's the guy

727
00:54:23.639 --> 00:54:30.880
who did the Is It beast Man
series? Cryptozoology is Charles Fort's great nephew.

728
00:54:30.559 --> 00:54:34.000
Oh, that's cool. I had
a chat with him on the internet.

729
00:54:34.039 --> 00:54:37.039
It was great about said for tem
zoology and Richard Freeman's one of the

730
00:54:37.719 --> 00:54:44.519
guide Sahara. He sadly died and
I can't randomly contacted Pat because Pat had

731
00:54:44.599 --> 00:54:49.760
used this guide not expecting a response
and got a really long email back saying,

732
00:54:49.760 --> 00:54:54.360
oh you're from the Centenology, cool
and telling me all about is that

733
00:54:54.440 --> 00:54:59.199
he was Charles Sport's great nephew and
how they've got some of child falls stuff

734
00:54:59.239 --> 00:55:02.400
at home and yeah they're really good. Sort of chat with him on the

735
00:55:02.400 --> 00:55:07.239
internet and yeah they're sweet. Yeah, I emails talking about it. Yeah,

736
00:55:08.599 --> 00:55:14.440
that's cool. What do you think
the possibility of living dinosaurs are I

737
00:55:14.440 --> 00:55:20.760
think the mccallimber Bembe and the other
ones in Africa. I think a lot

738
00:55:20.760 --> 00:55:27.280
of the time they're mistaken elephants because
certain certain tribes wouldn't be used to they

739
00:55:27.320 --> 00:55:31.119
don't particularly go to certain areas,
and I think they're often elephants swimming because

740
00:55:31.159 --> 00:55:37.119
you've got the head coming up.
I think Pat Spain as well thought that

741
00:55:37.239 --> 00:55:40.719
one, and I think that's a
highly likely theory. But again, I've

742
00:55:40.719 --> 00:55:45.880
been to the Sensi. It's now
the Congo, the massive area loads of

743
00:55:45.920 --> 00:55:52.599
it. You kind of get through
very thick forest and there's a possibility.

744
00:55:52.719 --> 00:55:55.880
Yeah, I think there's definitely a
possibility. And there's the one paying the

745
00:55:55.960 --> 00:56:00.440
tribe etty and then they all die, almost all die. A lot of

746
00:56:00.440 --> 00:56:04.400
reptile flesh is quite toxic. That
would be consistent with that. You get

747
00:56:04.440 --> 00:56:07.280
really bad salmonella off it, So
there's a little bit of evidence there,

748
00:56:07.320 --> 00:56:13.280
But I don't know. I think
as well, some of these areas they're

749
00:56:13.360 --> 00:56:15.880
very poor, and if you get
somebody coming in saying can you show us

750
00:56:15.920 --> 00:56:21.360
this, that they there's also a
cultural thing in Africa, so they want

751
00:56:21.360 --> 00:56:24.360
to please. They'll say yes to
please you because they don't want you to

752
00:56:24.400 --> 00:56:30.840
have a bad time. I had
one point when I said to a guide,

753
00:56:30.079 --> 00:56:32.719
is that snake not poisonous? She
said, oh yes, and then

754
00:56:32.719 --> 00:56:39.519
I have a massively poisonous snake crawl
across my shoe and ooh ros this this

755
00:56:39.920 --> 00:56:44.800
black snake and I found it afterwards. It was like a really poisonous one.

756
00:56:45.280 --> 00:56:47.400
They just you just have to ask
a cultural thing. It's trying to

757
00:56:47.440 --> 00:56:53.159
please, but you can't ask no
questions ever. Yeah, that's its cultural

758
00:56:53.559 --> 00:56:57.159
They're trying to make sure you help
good time. So I say, yeah,

759
00:56:57.320 --> 00:57:01.360
fine, but poisonous thing that you
have to watch for. Yeah,

760
00:57:01.440 --> 00:57:07.199
how poisonous is a snake? Zero
percent? Great, let's go. Yeah,

761
00:57:07.199 --> 00:57:09.960
that's it. Yeah. I think
with anything you have to get to

762
00:57:10.000 --> 00:57:15.719
know the culture really and and understand
the cultural nuances as well when you go

763
00:57:15.800 --> 00:57:21.519
out anywhere to check why you might
say something they're just trying to please you,

764
00:57:21.719 --> 00:57:23.920
and that that that does happen in
a few areas of the world as

765
00:57:23.960 --> 00:57:30.280
well. Yeah. Wow. Lastly, what do you consider the top evidence

766
00:57:30.320 --> 00:57:34.239
for Bigfoot? Obviously I know exists
because I've seen it myself. There you

767
00:57:34.280 --> 00:57:37.800
go. I think the footprints are
very good evidence. The fact they've got

768
00:57:37.800 --> 00:57:43.199
dermal ridges. I don't think because
I knew professor Bryan Sykes, who has

769
00:57:43.199 --> 00:57:46.239
sadly passed away. Yeah, exactly, and we work with him, and

770
00:57:46.280 --> 00:57:51.519
the CF said he very much believed
there was a program actually big Foot Files,

771
00:57:51.519 --> 00:57:53.519
that was done with him in it, and they edited it in a

772
00:57:53.559 --> 00:57:57.639
way to employ he didn't believe it, and he wasn't happy about at all.

773
00:57:57.800 --> 00:58:02.800
That is really does, yeah,
because they edited it in a way

774
00:58:02.840 --> 00:58:07.400
to be played in believing it,
and he really does. But he basically

775
00:58:07.480 --> 00:58:12.360
said, unfortunately, a lot things
like Melbournetchen DNA there's a lot of evidence

776
00:58:12.440 --> 00:58:16.079
it was corrupted by human DNA.
It's actually very difficult. Brian's done some

777
00:58:16.199 --> 00:58:22.280
very good techniques with other people for
removing the corruptive stuff from washing it as

778
00:58:22.320 --> 00:58:28.000
it were, to try to remove
the corruptive but it's so easy to contaminate

779
00:58:28.039 --> 00:58:30.480
it with human DNA. And I
think this is likely what a lot of

780
00:58:30.480 --> 00:58:34.480
people are seeing. He writes about
this, and I think it's called the

781
00:58:34.559 --> 00:58:37.519
Last Neanderthal. In the u US, it was called the book was called

782
00:58:37.519 --> 00:58:44.679
The Nature of the Beast in the
UK his book connotations. They changed the

783
00:58:44.760 --> 00:58:47.800
name in America. Yeah, but
it talks about it there. But I

784
00:58:47.840 --> 00:58:51.800
think it's very easy to get it
corrupted, and you've got to know what

785
00:58:51.840 --> 00:58:55.039
you're doing when you collect it.
Jackie, this has been super, super

786
00:58:55.119 --> 00:58:59.199
fascinating. But this has been amazing. Thank you so much for chatting.

787
00:58:59.239 --> 00:59:02.639
Yeah, thank you the names tonight. Hey, it's enough for me to

788
00:59:02.639 --> 00:59:06.719
look up stuff, so that's fine
with me. Yeah, this is cool.

789
00:59:07.440 --> 00:59:13.280
If it sounds there's definitely maybe some
maybe future things coming. Are you

790
00:59:13.360 --> 00:59:17.639
putting out things currently to do with
cryptozoology. It sounds like you've you have

791
00:59:17.800 --> 00:59:22.559
in the past, at least in
Richard Freeman's book. You can read stuff

792
00:59:22.960 --> 00:59:25.159
anything else that people can keep up
to date with what you're doing. I

793
00:59:25.159 --> 00:59:30.239
always ask that I am. I'm
going to have probably a bit more time

794
00:59:30.360 --> 00:59:34.199
soon. I probably will do a
website really, so I'm hoping to do

795
00:59:34.280 --> 00:59:37.159
that and I'll let you know.
Yeah. Really, And as I said,

796
00:59:37.280 --> 00:59:40.239
I keep getting nagged to do this
book, so might have a bit

797
00:59:40.280 --> 00:59:46.679
more time. Yeah, totally,
that's cool. Definitely, Jackie, thanks

798
00:59:46.679 --> 00:59:52.079
so much for hanging out. Any
last words or if not, I think

799
00:59:52.159 --> 00:59:55.239
we're good to go. Yeah.
I think we ideally need to get evidence.

800
00:59:55.480 --> 00:59:59.320
Well, bigfoot, and I think
I don't think it's that with the

801
00:59:59.400 --> 01:00:01.239
forest it's in, and I don't
think it's that much in danger. It's

802
01:00:01.239 --> 01:00:05.320
not like an owl with a nest
that gets knocked down. I think the

803
01:00:05.480 --> 01:00:08.599
forestry protects it, to be quite
frank, I think though I don't I'm

804
01:00:08.599 --> 01:00:14.320
definitely not an advocate for shooting it. I think you can get other evidence.

805
01:00:14.360 --> 01:00:19.639
I think it's any animal. I
think I don't agree with shooting to

806
01:00:19.719 --> 01:00:22.400
get specimens to prove the science.
I think there's other ways you can do

807
01:00:22.480 --> 01:00:27.360
it. And I think, well, i've cameramen, they're probably the best

808
01:00:27.440 --> 01:00:30.280
people. I spoke to some Top
twelve cameramen. They were quite interested in

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it, and I think that's the
answer, isn't it. It's get don't

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use auto focused cameras. They can't
cope in the woods. Try to get

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many of the focus cameras and try
to the habituation seems to be the answer.

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I think people are starting to get
quite good results of habituating, which

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is what they did with the mountain
gorillas. Wow, that's very interesting.

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Oh man, there's a lot to
unpack from this episode. Thank you.

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This has been a pleasure. Let
me know if I can help in any

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way in the future with future public
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much for coming on Jackie. Yeah
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