Aug. 25, 2024

Bigfoot Tales in the Appalachians with Jeff Carpenter (Archive Episode)

Join Jeremiah on the Bigfoot Society Podcast as he dives into the mysterious world of Bigfoot with seasoned researcher Jeff Carpenter from North Carolina. Discover Jeff's fascinating heritage and delve into his incredible firsthand Bigfoot sightings...

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Season 1

Join Jeremiah on the Bigfoot Society Podcast as he dives into the mysterious world of Bigfoot with seasoned researcher Jeff Carpenter from North Carolina. Discover Jeff's fascinating heritage and delve into his incredible firsthand Bigfoot sightings in the Appalachian region. Learn about the significance of Judaculla Rock, the critical role of audio documentation, and hear gripping stories that include mysterious lights and emotional witness accounts. Jeff shares insights into the primate-like characteristics of Sasquatch, the psychological impact of encounters, and the challenges faced by genuine researchers. Don't miss this intriguing discussion packed with real-life encounters and scientific perspectives on the elusive Sasquatch.

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Forward slash the Big for Society and now let's get

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on with the show. All right, Big Faciety. We got

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the privilege of talking to mister Jeff Carpenter from the

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great state of North Carolina tonight. How's it going, Jeff Good?

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I was just laugh a little bit about that mister thing.

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Jeff works just fine. Makes me feel real old.

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Mister Carpenter is my father, and you are you are

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in a cool part of North Carolina. You're out in

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the western part near Cherokee and the Great Smoky Mountains,

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and you got all that cool stuff going on, and

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just to give a little background about you, and we'll

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hear much more later. But you're with the BFRO. You're

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with the KBRRO, which is a Kentucky Bigfoot research organization,

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and you've got some other another group you're in, but

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we'll hear about that later. But how's it going tonight

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out there, Jeff.

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It's going good, a little better than the first time.

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We try to think. We both were having some electrical

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storms going on last week, but doing great. Jeremia, I

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live in a little background living Sevil, North Carolina. That's Syova.

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It's right near Cherokee, North Caroline, where most people know

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because of the casino now and the Smokies. We're just

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right outside. I'm about ten miles out of the Great

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Smoky Mountains National Park in western North Carolina and lived here.

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My family's been here in western North Carolina since the

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early late seventeen hundreds, and we have a rich I

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like to talk about a little bit. It's okay about

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my Appalachian history. And when we were talking on the phone,

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it was really neat to hear that you're you and

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your dad both had read the fox Fire books. And

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I like to tell people my family or just Appalachian

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people that grew up right outside of Clayton, Georgia on

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the North Carolina line in Otto, North Carolina. And they

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were my grandfather, Harley Carpenter, and I think he might

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have a picture of Papa All there. He was one

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of the first people interviewed for the fox Fire Books series,

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and later on they made a play out of the

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book and yeah, that's Papall telling the telling tale there.

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He was definitely a mountain man for sure, and loved

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a lot of things, you know. There. He was one

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of the first people get interviewed for the fox Fire books.

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And my great aunt, Aery Carpenter by marriage, was the

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person they made the movie about with John Denver and

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Hugh Crohn and Jessica Handy. She played ain't Airy Carpenter

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And that's on the cover of the first book. I

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think that you said you have there.

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Oh was there a movie about it too?

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Yeah, it was made as a Hallmark movie. Yeah. The

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whole gist of the story, which is really impactful nowadays,

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is you know, they didn't want her husband to died

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and she was her son, which was John Diver, was

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trying to get her to sell her mountain property and

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moved down to outside of Atlanta, and she just didn't

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want to do that, you know. And she lived a

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little cabin, little cabin type thing. And I'm just very

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proud of my mountain heritage, and I bring this up

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at all my presentations because I do want people to

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understand where I'm from and my family in my background,

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because it's a little different. I had a great upbringing

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by my parents. Now, they were very country. Some people

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would call my family's dirt people, which is a derogatory

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mark in my mind, but through Appalachian mountain people. And

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there's my father, Irving Carpenter. He was just hard for

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me to talk about my dad. He's been passed away

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about thirty years now. Now. It gave you that picture

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because he's really proud in that when he won the

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biggest gobbler contests in nineteen eighty one, but that was

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Deaddy was a mountains man, mountain man that they've written

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stories about. My daddy's nickname was Old High Top. He

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just loved the mountains more than anybody ever met. And

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I grew up. I think I went raccoon hunting the

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first time when I was maybe six years old or

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five of my dad. So I'm very comfortable being out

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in the woods of a night in the dark. And

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Deddy helped. By the way, give you a little tidbit there, Jeremy,

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he helped restock the turkey back in western North Carolina

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through the Wild Turkey Federation. They were about gone. Papa

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used to call him mud hens, that was one of

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his nicknames for him, but grew up learned how to

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call them with a briar releaf and things like that.

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But I always tell people Appalachian people, you know, were

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looked down upon a lot of it's because of the

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movies and things, but uh, they were probably the most

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resourceful people. You know. Then, in my opinion, invented recycling.

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My grandfather on both sides never would throw away now

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because it was hard to get to come by. The

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reason I bring all this up, though, to kind of

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cut short here, is to people understand my background. As

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my father raised me. He was a master tracker. And

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uh again we gensang hunt deer, hunt raccoon, that fish.

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But we just would just spend a lot of time

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in the woods and uh, you know, he taught me

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about looking at track and sign it's not the big

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things you look for is to subtle things that you

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try to find, you know, that type of thing. And uh,

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he was just the best. He raised a lot of

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other guys besides me and my brother out in the

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woods and uh uh he was just a real special

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person and always paid tribute to Dad. He kind of

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got me here. I'll never forget Jeremie real quick. Like

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we were sitting in a place called Deer Cove and

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hopefully some of your listeners might know where that's at

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the county North Carolina, but it's a real remote place.

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We were jensan hunt and sitting on a ridge. And

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I'll never forget dead with sitting over on a log

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away from just doing that far away look, you know,

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which I always kind of dreaded when I was a kid,

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because that means we're going to go walking over that

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next ridge and there's no flat land where we live at.

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And he just said, you know, Jeff, you need to

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listen to the woods or the mountains. Sometimes they got

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something to say. And I found that very prophetic now

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kind of what I've gotten into, you know. So I

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don't think he ever had any strange sightings. He never

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missed to but he did see mountain lions. He's seen

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two mountain lions in his life, and which is a

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very rare thing to see here. I know people say

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they're not here, but they do cruise through the area sometimes,

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I do believe, and I've seen tracks, but I've not

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actually seen one. But one of the things though is

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Appalachian people telling the truth is a big thing, as

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you probably know, just the way we're raised and lyings

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kind of sin pretty much, and it's just you're supposed

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to be straightforward and truthful to people in honest that

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type of thing. And I always kind of preface that

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because the things I tell people actually what happened, word

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for word, citing for citing what I heard, what I heard.

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It's just who I am, and it's been very successful

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for me for what I do. But this is what

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I am, and also my background to tell people that's listing.

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I was a parks and recreation director for about twenty

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eight years. I worked for Jackson County, North Carolina for

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thirty two years, and I'm a parks and recreation back

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graduate from Western Carolina University and one of the first

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people in my family to graduate from college. So really

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proud of that. And that's a lot of my dad's

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doing again, and you know, he was just very much

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about education and learning things. But he taught me a

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lot about the woods that you just can't you just

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can't get any other way, if that makes sense.

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That makes total sense. A lot of that that knowledge

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about the woods, especially from that area, you're not going

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to find in a book, but if you do, it's

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in the fox Fire books. You know, as you alluded to,

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you know, my my I guess you could say my

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father was a naturalist uh slash camp director and he

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had those books and just the info in those books

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were just incredible. You know, I read them when I

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was about ten, but that was my first introduction to

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to the ways of Appalachian Appalachia, even though we lived

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up in the northeast. And uh, it's just cool listeners.

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I'll have the links in the show notes. They're cool books.

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If you can find them.

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Uh, you're kind of hard to find now, they're very

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hard to find. And by the way, there's a museum

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in Dealer, Georgia. You're mind if you've ever done this way,

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and if you are, I appreciate you. Holler at me,

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I'll kind of take you around, but there is a

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museum there that's really neat for people to say. It's

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in Dealer, Georgia. It's a official fox Fire Museum. You know.

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Oh wow, Yeah, totally. I'll put that on the on

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the the trip list, uh, because we'll get over there

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eventually for expedition Bigfoot Museum.

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So uh. I wanted to real quickly explain to people

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about our area that we live in Germany, lived near

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the Great Smoky Mountains National Park, and you know, years ago,

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you know, I didn't really think about Big pill Lot.

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I've seen the film, but you know, that was kind

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of thing out northwest. You know, it's kind of cool,

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you know, but just didn't really think about it being

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here at all. But one thing a lot of people

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don't know about is how much public land we have

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in western North Carolin. I just want to give your

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listeners a little state of everybody thinks about the Smokies,

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but the Smokies is really basically the smallest, one of

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the smallest that we have. So and these are all

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connected heremid They're all connected. There's Pisgon National Force. I'm

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gonna look at my notes if you don't mind. So

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I get the numbers right. Pison National Forces near Asheville

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is five hundred and twelve thousand acres. Then we have

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the Natahala National Force, which by the way, in Cherokee

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means land of the Noonday Sun. It has five hundred

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and thirty one thousand acres. And then we have Chattahoochee

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National Force, which is kind of North Carolina Georgia kind

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of you know, kind of goes across two or three states.

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That's eight hundred and sixty six thousand acres. And then

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the Smokys has five hundred and twenty two thousand acres

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a little more than that. So you have two men

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and four hundred and thirty two thousand acres that's connected.

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That's public land, and that's how big an area it is.

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And people don't really look at it that way. They

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look at the Smoky's and they just, I guess, just

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don't really realize that they're all connected and it's a

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vast area. So what I'm getting at is a good

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friend of mine on Mitch and I think you've interviewed him,

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Matt Prude. He's one of the better researchers you ever meet.

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Great book out.

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By the way, I'm talking to him this week about

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his book actually.

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Again, yeah, yeah, yeah, tell him. I said hello, and

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we talked watch twice a month. Matt got me into

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this stuff, and I'll mention here in a minute, but

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it's he's like, Jeff, why do you go other places?

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You got the best place and on the East for

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sure for to research in. And so I spent a

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lot of time here doing a lot of research, and

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I'm I'm more of a field researcher Jeremy. I like,

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this is the way I grew up. And since I'm

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retired now I've been retired about ten years, I get

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to spend a lot of time now. I'm just recovering

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fully recovered now from my fifth knee surgery, but from

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old college basketball injury. But it's a little set back

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this spring. But usually, say last I think it's last

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year or year before last, I camped eighty two days

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maybe doing research and I just I just like it.

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Most time I'm by myself, and that sounds crazy and

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that's not a good thing for the listeners to do,

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but again I'm a little comfortable with that, and I

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make sure everybody knows where I'm at and I do

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like the idea of putting yourself out there a little

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bit where you're not a lot of people, if that

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makes sense, you know so, But that's our area, and

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it's again if people's not been to. The western North

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Carolina area is very beautiful. The Smokies is the most

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visited park International Park System and also a little stat

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for people that don't know, it's also the most if

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I can get this right because it costly changed here mana,

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it's the most biodiverse park in the National Park System,

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but also it had they're documenting the different species and

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this has been ongoing for years now. I think they've

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documented nineteen thousand different species in the Smokies and they

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think when they're finished, it could be up to one

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hundred thousand different species of you know, plant life, animal life,

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different things. And it's just they find all kinds of

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salamanders all the time. They're just a different species. It's

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a really interesting study there.

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For such a diverse area and a wide area of land,

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there has got to be and I already know the

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answer that I know because I've talked to people. But

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there is a history of bigfoot in this area. That

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is intense.

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Yeah, for sure.

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Is that anything that you could share about, like how

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far does this bigfoot? Uh? These reports and the legends

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go back in the history of North Carolina where you're at.

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And now Matt's documented some of those about doing research

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on newspapers, he can tell you even more. But due

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to my lucky I'm just the luckiest guy in the world.

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Sometimes things sometimes I think something's guided me to this

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kind of research. It's kind of weird, but as park director,

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I was over due to color Rock project, which is

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a piece of county properly now that was donated to us,

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which is the largest petroglyph in the Southeast. It's great

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and I think you have a picture of Judicola Rock

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there and a drawing we had depicted of Judicola which

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is actually Tuticola and Cherokee which means slant eyed giant

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keeper of the forest and the Cherokees have that was

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an artist rendering. In the background is an actual picture

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taking years ago where they had done the I guess

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it's kind of like it's not spray pack but chalk

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in the symbols. There's hundreds of symbols in this rock

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and even a copy of Judicola's hand kind of type

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of thing. But Judicola was a big legend, if you may,

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of the Cherokees, and he was the keeper of the forest,

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which a lot of people have heard about. Was your female.

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And then Stoneman was a big around but I guess

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an enemy of Spearfinger. But stone men. If you see

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stone men, you turn the stale.

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We'll be back with more big foot society. After these

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were from our sponsors.

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Now my interpretation of that, Jeremiah would be you go

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into shop pretty much so. And there's also missing see

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other local legends, and it's not Cherokee. This would be

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more English legge. And back in the eighteen hundreds is Bougem,

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which is a local brewery now in Waysville. But Boujiem

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was a person that came into mining camps and would

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steal their food. And then there's also hoot Nanny. One

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of our famous authors here, John Paris. He's passed away

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years ago, but he wrote about mountain stories and hooton

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Nanny was a legend in Heywood County, near a place

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near Laurel Ridge. There was a lodge there in the

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eighteen hundreds and they would see this hairy wild woman.

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It would come and whistle and hoot, and that's where

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the term he says, hooton nanny comes from, although that's debatable.

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You know that means dancing too, you know that type

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of thing. But there's just a lot of legends here

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locally of that. You know that type of thing when

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you dig into it, and there's a lot of stories

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that go I constantly get things that pop up out

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of the clear blue. One was years ago a guy

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told me about his great grandfather building the first train

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into Ashville. His great grandfather would talk about they had

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food being stole in the logging camp. He was a

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logger and they thought it was the campers getting in

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and sneaking the cook dead, and they hired a person

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to come in he said with dogs. This was relayed

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by his grandson to me that and they shot it

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and it was they said, looked like a monkey with notel.

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Now keep in mind this was in the late eighteen hundreds,

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so they didn't know about gorillas in those days, So

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that I found out to be a fascinating report. He

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told his family of stories for years before he passed away.

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But there's a lot of older stuff in history in

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the mountains here, and of course the smoke he's has

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the miss so there's it makes it mysterious too, if

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that makes sense. Sometimes it's a very mysterious place.

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Did he say so they just shot at it or

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did they actually do you know he actually killed the creature?

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Now I never met the man. This is a cent

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a story. But he said it was shot and it

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was a smaller monkey, is what he would tell his

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family without a tale. This is a random story. Guy

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just riding the horse. When they bumped into me and said, hey,

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are you doing what I think you're doing? I said,

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you know when you hear that as researcher, like, oh,

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here we go. But then I found out he was

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a kin to my wife. His cousin is distantly related

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to my wife's cousin. So it was somebody. Now, this

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guy was in Georgia when I was talking to him,

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But he was referring to an instant happened to what's

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called Black Mountain when they're building the railroad up to

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Black Mountain in Nashville, North Carolina. You know that type

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of thing. But that is due to color. There a

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rending of that. It was a great project. We worked

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with archaeologists on that project. I did for probably about

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four years and worked with the Eastern Rock Art Society

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and the Forest Surface and it's a great mysterious thing.

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We've had a couple of TV shows, and I don't

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want to say which one. I was before retired against

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them coming to femic because it went against the historical

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record that we had nun covered about the rock. You

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know how things can get changed a little bit or

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put into certain people's interpretations. But the county let them

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do it. So they've been two documentaries plus numerous YouTube

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videos done it. Due to Color Rock, and that's a

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j U D c U l L A jew to

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color is the English way of saying that.

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That is extremely interesting. And those those those legends and

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how they're they're woven into you know, Native American history.

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It's just it's just so fascinating. How you know, you

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can you can start to wonder, you know, how how

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much of that is is related to to Bigfoot in

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Sasquatch and I know on the non the Pacific Northwest, uh,

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you have a lot of that with the the the

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Totem poles. But that's that's something I didn't know with

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the Judicola Rock. That's very cool. I'm going to look

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more into that for sure. Thank you for sharing that.

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It's really cool. Yeah they Uh, you know, most myths

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are based in some form of reality, you know. And

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real quick you hear me mention in just a minute

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about my son. He's an athlete. He's now a basketball

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recruiter for a school. And and then my daughter has

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an interesting job. She's older than my son, but she's

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my anthropologist by degree, and she's a zook keeper by trade,

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and she works with gorillas and primates on a daily

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basis is what she does. So I'm a little different

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than a lot of researchers I have heard about the

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ideas off of It's tough for her since she works

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at the North Carolina Zoos. She can't really comment publicly

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on things because they have to go through their media people.

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But Commissia's very knowledgeable, so I know a lot about

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primate behavior for sure. You know, because of her.

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That would be of really interesting. Oh I bet you

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have some really interesting conversations that would be cool.

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Uh, yeah, we do. I'll mention one here in a

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little bit. I don't know if she'll appreciate me. Bishing it.

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But it's a little theory she had about just you know, sasquatch,

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which I like better than Bigfoot. You know, Bigfoot makes

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you think of just one. Sasquatches makes you think of

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me any kind of thing, and it's just a better name,

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I do believe. Uh. But yeah, I've had two sightings Jeremiah.

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That well, I guess I should tell you how I

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got into this. Absolutely, and again it starts with my kids.

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I'm a again parks and wrec director and your dad,

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Ran I think you said, a summer camp with a

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camp director, and you know, being his son, how that works.

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You don't get to see him a lot. You know,

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it's interesting.

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It's a lot of fun, but it's interesting. Yeah.

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Yeah, So as a recreation programmer and recreation director for

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twenty something years, I was working a lot. But my

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son got up. My daughter never was interested in hunting,

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and I've quit hunting just because I'm into this, and

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I don't know, it doesn't really fit my profile really good.

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I never was much of a If I'm gonna shoot something,

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I'm gonna use it. You know, I just can't do that.

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I just always been my nature, and so I was

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taking my son. The very first thing that I noticed

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here was he was about ten or eleven. I just

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took him the airport day. So I was trying to

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figure out, it's been so long ago. He's a be

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thirty this year. And I took him to go deer

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scouting to teach him, you know, how to deer scout

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and what it is. My dad had a little secret

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honey hole down near a river there in our area

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that was just a secret, good little place, and I

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was we always put out salt blocks or apples, things

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like that, but we never hunted over it, if you

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know how that works. And so I took him and

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it is a heck of a walk down it's really

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steeping mountain into this little hole near the river, perfect

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little pocket area. And he's just generally his war out,

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not much interest in things. But as we were coming

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back up the ridgeline, I don't know if you know

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about scouting, but you don't want to profile yourself on

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a ridge though. You want to kind of stay blow

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the break of the ridge and just kind of look

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over the ridge. So I was trying to show him that,

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and he was laying down the leaves like that I'm tired,

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you know, that type of thing. And I looked down

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in this area and it's kind of a bowl, and

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that's where we usually hunted at. But the salt block

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was over behind us, and I looked down there and

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in the middle this little area's a little opening, and

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there were two hemlocks, you know, probably about if I

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can get the direction right about, you know, yay, bigger round.

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And I knew they were there. I just happened to

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notice that the tops route of them. Well, me being me,

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I kind of get into things as you has to

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have the researcher. I just walk off lots of times

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leave people. I just took off down the hill because

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I thought there's a bowl hunter and had my hunting

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spot because we had a stand in there. So we

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and again it's not the salt blockets over the ridge

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from me, so I go trumps and down through there.

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I just leave with you and it's just getting close

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to dark, you know. We get down there and I

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look up in these two big hemlocks, you know, about

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eight foot I think I measured about eight foot four

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both of them, and they're kind of growing together, kind of,

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you know, side beside, but there's nothing anywhere around them

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close to all the tops. When I got there, I

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was befuddled. They were twisted, twisted and peeled. The pill

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probably was at least two foot long, and I was

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just blown what you could see the fibers in the tree, Jeremiah,

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it was just I've never seen anything like that. I've

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seen plenty of black bear, I see, I think two

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years ago, I've seen seventeen black bear, you know, out

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researching and just goofing around. But they you know, they'll

451
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climb a cherry tree and strip it, you know, and

452
00:24:20.880 --> 00:24:23.039
then go down the bottom beneath the cherries off of it.

453
00:24:23.119 --> 00:24:25.519
You know, that type of thing. So I'm looking for

454
00:24:25.599 --> 00:24:28.599
the tops right because I'm just befuddled. And wings made

455
00:24:28.640 --> 00:24:31.279
it down and he's laying the leaves again. He's like dead,

456
00:24:31.319 --> 00:24:34.640
You're stupid underneath the tree. And there was both tops

457
00:24:34.759 --> 00:24:38.000
that point first underneath the tree. They were dead. Really

458
00:24:38.000 --> 00:24:40.440
if I pull them out and I'm looking at them

459
00:24:40.759 --> 00:24:43.279
and already checked the tree, you know, hemlocks have really

460
00:24:43.319 --> 00:24:46.559
thin branches. They're not really so if some climbs that

461
00:24:46.599 --> 00:24:48.960
you could tell they break it like a bear or something,

462
00:24:49.480 --> 00:24:51.680
and raccoon can have done it. The only thing possible

463
00:24:51.720 --> 00:24:53.799
could have been a black bear. Well, the tops had

464
00:24:53.839 --> 00:24:58.759
no bottom marks, nothing, absolutely not. Now I'm really befuddled.

465
00:24:58.960 --> 00:25:01.720
It's hit me that Williams asking questions. I don't want

466
00:25:01.759 --> 00:25:03.519
to scare him because I wanted to go back to woods,

467
00:25:03.519 --> 00:25:06.000
you know, I'm like, what is going on? So I

468
00:25:06.079 --> 00:25:08.640
go back there a couple of weeks later, and I

469
00:25:08.680 --> 00:25:11.319
find two more of these things, and I'm really befuddled.

470
00:25:11.680 --> 00:25:14.279
So I start going online. This was again, I think

471
00:25:16.480 --> 00:25:20.720
two thousand and four maybe, and geez, I'm just befuded.

472
00:25:20.720 --> 00:25:23.079
I'm doing all kinds of research now, and I heard

473
00:25:23.119 --> 00:25:26.200
about bigfoot. You can research it on the internet doing

474
00:25:26.240 --> 00:25:28.559
tree twist. I'm like, what, There's no way that can

475
00:25:28.640 --> 00:25:33.000
be here in western North Carolina. That's stupid. And then

476
00:25:33.039 --> 00:25:36.519
another time me and him were doing some scouting and

477
00:25:36.559 --> 00:25:39.680
we came across this little spot. It's hard to describe it.

478
00:25:39.680 --> 00:25:41.559
I hope I'm trying to describe things. I hope I'm

479
00:25:41.559 --> 00:25:44.880
doing a good job of putting pictures where people can imagine.

480
00:25:44.880 --> 00:25:48.240
But we were on old trail and there's some barbed

481
00:25:48.240 --> 00:25:50.319
wires and it was like a little bit of a

482
00:25:50.319 --> 00:25:53.440
wet weather spring. Jeremiah where water was seeping up and

483
00:25:53.440 --> 00:25:56.240
it's kind of mossy, but I could tell again subtle

484
00:25:56.319 --> 00:25:59.279
sign that something went through there. It just barely broke

485
00:25:59.359 --> 00:26:01.960
some of those briars a little bit. So I'd stopped

486
00:26:01.960 --> 00:26:04.079
to show with him, and it was just about dark

487
00:26:04.640 --> 00:26:07.480
getting dark and dusky dark, and we're close to the

488
00:26:07.480 --> 00:26:08.880
truck and he's like, I don't want to go, and

489
00:26:08.960 --> 00:26:10.839
I was like, well, something's been in here. Let's see

490
00:26:10.880 --> 00:26:12.920
what is. So I stepped in there. Once I got

491
00:26:12.960 --> 00:26:15.920
into that mossy, wet weather area there, it was this

492
00:26:16.079 --> 00:26:18.759
clean as day, about a fifteen and a half inch

493
00:26:19.480 --> 00:26:23.799
human like footprint. There were four of them. I didn't

494
00:26:23.839 --> 00:26:27.319
know what to think. I was befuddled. And my son's

495
00:26:27.400 --> 00:26:30.279
best friend played basketball. I won't mention his name because

496
00:26:30.319 --> 00:26:32.960
I hadn't asked to say his name at North Carolina.

497
00:26:33.079 --> 00:26:35.720
He's six foot eight and he's dad six foot nine.

498
00:26:36.079 --> 00:26:39.440
He always has this really you know, has a large foot,

499
00:26:39.559 --> 00:26:41.920
and we didn't know how to refer. He said, Dad,

500
00:26:41.960 --> 00:26:44.559
that's bigger than my buddy's foot, you know, And I

501
00:26:44.599 --> 00:26:46.279
was like, he said, what is that? I was like, uh,

502
00:26:46.839 --> 00:26:48.519
you know, I didn't want to scare him. There's no

503
00:26:48.559 --> 00:26:50.799
way it was a double track. Because you know, I'm

504
00:26:50.960 --> 00:26:53.160
used to bear tracks and dead was a bear hunter.

505
00:26:53.599 --> 00:26:56.000
You can tell there'll be a little breaking that line

506
00:26:56.039 --> 00:26:58.240
of the track, if that makes sense for you. You

507
00:26:58.319 --> 00:27:01.200
might not see the toes, but won't make an even line.

508
00:27:03.119 --> 00:27:06.160
And I just like, no way, And then we went

509
00:27:06.240 --> 00:27:08.960
back over again. Growing up with my dad, we'd do

510
00:27:09.240 --> 00:27:11.519
night rides a lot just to see wild life when

511
00:27:11.559 --> 00:27:13.519
I was a kid, so I've always done those, So

512
00:27:13.599 --> 00:27:16.079
I started doing more of those. And one night men

513
00:27:16.160 --> 00:27:18.799
Wn was driving on a gravel road close to this spot,

514
00:27:19.880 --> 00:27:22.640
maybe four months later five and we hear the loudest

515
00:27:22.680 --> 00:27:25.960
how you ever hear. We were driving with the windows

516
00:27:26.000 --> 00:27:28.279
down and heard the how that's how loud it was.

517
00:27:28.880 --> 00:27:32.559
So we stopped and anyhow and again, and of course

518
00:27:33.240 --> 00:27:36.119
he figured out by then what was going on. He's like, Dad,

519
00:27:36.160 --> 00:27:38.240
is that a bigfoot? What is that? And it's not

520
00:27:38.279 --> 00:27:41.240
a coyote and it's not al And that's the way

521
00:27:41.279 --> 00:27:43.400
I kind of think to tell listeners out there. I

522
00:27:43.440 --> 00:27:45.920
try to as much as I can jure in my

523
00:27:46.119 --> 00:27:48.640
debunt things, because it doesn't make any sense to go

524
00:27:48.759 --> 00:27:51.759
to the least likely thing first. You want to go

525
00:27:51.839 --> 00:27:54.359
the most obvious thing first and then try to work

526
00:27:54.400 --> 00:27:57.000
your way down to that, if that makes sense. But

527
00:27:57.079 --> 00:27:59.079
that's the way I got started. So years later I

528
00:27:59.119 --> 00:28:01.839
come on a website, come upon a wedbsite this guy

529
00:28:01.839 --> 00:28:04.960
in North Georgia, and I was like, Hey, that sounds cool.

530
00:28:04.960 --> 00:28:07.000
I'll call of guy. And his name was Matt Prut

531
00:28:07.839 --> 00:28:12.119
And Matt, he says it was two to three years.

532
00:28:12.480 --> 00:28:14.880
We have a constant argument about how it took him

533
00:28:14.880 --> 00:28:16.640
to get me to come to one of these BFR

534
00:28:17.000 --> 00:28:20.079
things because I was just like, I hate said, I'm

535
00:28:20.079 --> 00:28:23.759
going out there with them crazy people, you know, and uh,

536
00:28:23.880 --> 00:28:26.240
he finally taught me into it now. And again it

537
00:28:26.279 --> 00:28:28.720
was a good timing because I was retiring in twenty

538
00:28:28.880 --> 00:28:32.680
thirteen and it was in my area he wanted to

539
00:28:32.720 --> 00:28:34.599
do when he wanted to use me as a resource

540
00:28:34.680 --> 00:28:37.759
and then as a you know, a lead, you know,

541
00:28:37.960 --> 00:28:40.680
kind of a you know, trail league guy of tonight.

542
00:28:41.480 --> 00:28:44.039
And what was weird was when we were talking the

543
00:28:44.079 --> 00:28:46.359
first time, he said, hey, have you been to this

544
00:28:46.440 --> 00:28:48.279
such and such spot? And that was where I was

545
00:28:48.319 --> 00:28:50.279
having all this activity yet and I hadn't even mentioned

546
00:28:50.279 --> 00:28:52.880
it to it. It was just a weird coinstance. But

547
00:28:52.920 --> 00:28:55.559
me and Matt has become really close. And I know

548
00:28:55.599 --> 00:28:58.079
you've interviewed Matt and gone to again. As you said,

549
00:28:58.640 --> 00:29:03.880
he's just a great resource and just he studies stuff.

550
00:29:04.039 --> 00:29:07.960
It's amazing. And he's just a really good friend. He lives,

551
00:29:08.079 --> 00:29:10.400
you know, out so it's a little hard to get

552
00:29:10.480 --> 00:29:13.279
up with Matt, you know, and we still get together

553
00:29:13.400 --> 00:29:17.359
some and and again I was wrong about that. When

554
00:29:17.400 --> 00:29:20.160
I went there, I met a lot of people, biologist people,

555
00:29:21.440 --> 00:29:24.279
you know, all kinds of good researchers. It was a

556
00:29:24.319 --> 00:29:28.559
good thing. And after that night, that weekend, Matt wanted

557
00:29:28.599 --> 00:29:32.440
me to be a BFROO investigator, and so I started

558
00:29:32.480 --> 00:29:34.279
doing it. I'd been doing a little on my own

559
00:29:34.400 --> 00:29:37.200
for four or five years, and so I agreed to

560
00:29:37.240 --> 00:29:39.839
do it reluctantly. As you can tell as I when

561
00:29:39.839 --> 00:29:41.599
you call me or got hold of me. I've just

562
00:29:41.920 --> 00:29:43.759
I kind of like to be in a shadows sometimes.

563
00:29:43.759 --> 00:29:46.839
It's just my way of being things. So but Matt

564
00:29:46.880 --> 00:29:49.799
was a great resource and I do appreciate him get

565
00:29:49.839 --> 00:29:53.400
me started on this kind of mystery and it led

566
00:29:53.480 --> 00:29:57.359
to again my first sighting in twenty fifteen. So I

567
00:29:57.359 --> 00:30:00.599
think you have a picture there of that somewhere.

568
00:30:02.039 --> 00:30:04.920
We'll be back with more Bigfoot society after these words

569
00:30:04.920 --> 00:30:13.920
from our sponsors. Yes, let's see, so that would be

570
00:30:14.519 --> 00:30:16.079
the is it the drawing?

571
00:30:16.759 --> 00:30:19.759
Yeah, the artist rendering. And by the way, Jeremiah, that

572
00:30:19.839 --> 00:30:22.519
was done by a researcher, a good friend of mine,

573
00:30:22.559 --> 00:30:26.279
Sheila Johnson and Kentucky. Okay, she's kind of taken a

574
00:30:26.319 --> 00:30:28.640
little break from research, her and her husband TJ. But

575
00:30:28.720 --> 00:30:31.559
Sheila had done some artwork and the way this worked again,

576
00:30:31.680 --> 00:30:34.960
like I mentioned, I like to take night rides, and boy,

577
00:30:35.359 --> 00:30:37.799
I got the best supportive wife in the world that's

578
00:30:37.839 --> 00:30:41.200
put up with me. But it was I think it

579
00:30:41.279 --> 00:30:44.839
was June. I have a note here somewhere June twenty third.

580
00:30:44.920 --> 00:30:49.640
I think it was June in twenty fifteen, and it

581
00:30:49.720 --> 00:30:51.839
was very green. But what it was is the wax

582
00:30:51.880 --> 00:30:54.680
and crescent moon, which is, you know, a good hunting moon.

583
00:30:55.279 --> 00:30:57.039
It was real clear night, and I was like, you know,

584
00:30:57.440 --> 00:30:59.440
it's like ten o'clock at night here where I live,

585
00:30:59.519 --> 00:31:02.559
and this is research area where I saw that was well,

586
00:31:02.599 --> 00:31:06.279
actually I wasn't any research area, just driving one. It's

587
00:31:06.319 --> 00:31:08.400
about thirty miles away. So I just said, hey, I'm

588
00:31:08.400 --> 00:31:10.240
gonna go out and ride tonight and see if I

589
00:31:10.359 --> 00:31:13.079
hear something and make a little noise and take my recorders,

590
00:31:13.079 --> 00:31:15.200
which I do. And so I was going on up

591
00:31:15.240 --> 00:31:17.599
the road. Actually I was listening to a C d C,

592
00:31:18.160 --> 00:31:21.319
which Charlie Raymond loves. If you know Charlie with the

593
00:31:21.400 --> 00:31:24.960
Kentucky Bigfoot group, he loves that store because he likes

594
00:31:25.000 --> 00:31:27.359
a c DC. And down at the bottom of the mountain,

595
00:31:27.400 --> 00:31:29.759
I see three deer right, and I was like, oh yeah,

596
00:31:29.920 --> 00:31:32.200
So I start slowing down, you know. And as I'm

597
00:31:32.240 --> 00:31:35.119
climbing up this mountain on Highway sixty four, I don't

598
00:31:35.200 --> 00:31:38.279
like to give out the exact locations. Jeremiah and I

599
00:31:38.319 --> 00:31:41.720
apologize to everybody about that, but there's a reason behind it.

600
00:31:41.720 --> 00:31:44.039
One is a light to keep an area fairly pure,

601
00:31:44.599 --> 00:31:45.920
because if you get a lot of people in the

602
00:31:45.920 --> 00:31:48.880
area making noise, you just don't know what's what, you know.

603
00:31:49.519 --> 00:31:51.680
And then also nowadays there's a lot of people with

604
00:31:51.720 --> 00:31:54.240
thermal scopes and they say they want to shoot one,

605
00:31:55.279 --> 00:31:57.519
and I just don't know it. That's not a safe thing,

606
00:31:57.640 --> 00:32:01.319
if that makes sense. But there's High sixty four and

607
00:32:01.519 --> 00:32:04.119
I was climbing up the mountain there, so I'd already

608
00:32:04.119 --> 00:32:06.079
slowed up, and as I come into what I call

609
00:32:06.119 --> 00:32:10.160
an S turn. Going through this S turn, I was

610
00:32:10.200 --> 00:32:13.240
only doing twenty mile iron and I see a coyote

611
00:32:14.279 --> 00:32:17.319
and a Cody was not It just struck me out.

612
00:32:17.519 --> 00:32:19.000
He was on the right hand side of the road,

613
00:32:19.799 --> 00:32:22.119
and I just about stopped. I let off the gas

614
00:32:22.119 --> 00:32:23.640
because I didn't know if he was going to run front him.

615
00:32:23.640 --> 00:32:25.559
But he wasn't looking at me. I'll never forget he

616
00:32:25.599 --> 00:32:27.640
was not looking at me. He was looking across the road,

617
00:32:28.160 --> 00:32:31.000
which I thought was weird. He never looked at my truck,

618
00:32:32.279 --> 00:32:34.480
and so I just about stopped because I thought he

619
00:32:34.559 --> 00:32:36.000
might run in front of me. I didn't want to

620
00:32:36.039 --> 00:32:38.519
hit it. And then when I just kind of panned

621
00:32:38.559 --> 00:32:40.519
the way he was looking and this is what I

622
00:32:40.559 --> 00:32:42.839
saw off the guard behind the guard round. That's very

623
00:32:42.880 --> 00:32:45.359
steep where this was at, so it's hard to tell

624
00:32:45.359 --> 00:32:49.680
the size of it, but that's what I saw. And

625
00:32:49.839 --> 00:32:51.400
she did a good job on the draw, and it

626
00:32:51.440 --> 00:32:55.240
had one of his arms kind of curled like that,

627
00:32:55.480 --> 00:32:58.079
and I will tell you it didn't have fur. I

628
00:32:58.119 --> 00:33:00.279
got about a good three second look cause I just

629
00:33:00.359 --> 00:33:04.160
kind of coasted by, and I had audio running. Some

630
00:33:04.200 --> 00:33:06.319
of the audio. It's just that if I played it,

631
00:33:06.359 --> 00:33:08.160
you would laugh so crazy because all of a sudden

632
00:33:08.160 --> 00:33:11.480
I started talking to myself. It was just I couldn't believe. Well,

633
00:33:11.480 --> 00:33:16.119
I saw again a no neck, a low like a

634
00:33:16.200 --> 00:33:18.279
dome for a head. And again one of the reasons

635
00:33:18.319 --> 00:33:20.519
from talking to my daughter is, you know, the jaw

636
00:33:20.680 --> 00:33:23.920
line for some primitch or blow the shoulder, so from

637
00:33:23.960 --> 00:33:27.039
the back it'll look like there's no neck. You know,

638
00:33:27.039 --> 00:33:29.160
they're not like our jaw line, which is above the

639
00:33:29.200 --> 00:33:30.400
shoulders kind of thing.

640
00:33:30.680 --> 00:33:32.640
That's increat I didn't know that. That's awesome.

641
00:33:33.079 --> 00:33:34.960
Yeah, if you look at Gorilla's you know, you'll see

642
00:33:35.000 --> 00:33:38.240
her chimps where their jaw line is, particularly gorillas. And

643
00:33:38.720 --> 00:33:41.599
it didn't have fur. That's a big thing I always

644
00:33:41.640 --> 00:33:44.240
like to give people my presentation the tips that I saw.

645
00:33:44.920 --> 00:33:47.599
It had hair, it scraggly hair. This is June, so

646
00:33:47.640 --> 00:33:49.920
it's kind of hot. It did have some stuff in

647
00:33:49.960 --> 00:33:51.920
its hair. I remember seeing that. And I could definitely

648
00:33:51.920 --> 00:33:55.880
see the back line, you know, the spine line, and

649
00:33:55.880 --> 00:33:58.960
as she drawled there, I couldn't it's such a quick

650
00:33:59.000 --> 00:34:01.400
glance at it. I could didn't see if it was

651
00:34:01.519 --> 00:34:05.240
gray hair or just kind of grayish light skim kind

652
00:34:05.319 --> 00:34:08.280
of it did move and I just coasted by. I

653
00:34:08.320 --> 00:34:10.320
couldn't believe, and I couldn't turn around real quick. I

654
00:34:10.320 --> 00:34:11.800
had to go up. And then I started trying to

655
00:34:11.840 --> 00:34:14.400
tell myself, oh, Jeff, you've seen a dead pine tree,

656
00:34:14.679 --> 00:34:17.960
because this thing was like a burnt brown color. You

657
00:34:18.000 --> 00:34:21.840
know how I did white pine of look Jeremiah, And

658
00:34:21.880 --> 00:34:24.199
so I said, okay, that's what was. You're just jumping

659
00:34:24.239 --> 00:34:27.440
to conclusions, you know, which is kind of like confirmation

660
00:34:27.559 --> 00:34:29.880
by us. You know, you're going to look, listen for something.

661
00:34:30.519 --> 00:34:33.280
Maybe you just thought you saw something. So I cruised

662
00:34:33.320 --> 00:34:38.159
back down. Nothing. There's absolutely nothing there now. And I

663
00:34:38.199 --> 00:34:42.400
was like, holy cow, and I made some calls codies bark.

664
00:34:42.519 --> 00:34:44.679
You know, of course there's a pack of codies, because

665
00:34:44.679 --> 00:34:49.960
there's that one. Didn't didn't hear anything weird, went back up.

666
00:34:50.000 --> 00:34:52.239
I spent about four hours of poor Mad. I caught

667
00:34:52.320 --> 00:34:55.480
him at twelve thirty at night, just losing it, you know.

668
00:34:55.639 --> 00:34:59.039
And this is how great Mad is. And I ain't

669
00:34:59.119 --> 00:35:02.679
keep complimenting. He's going to have to pay me five dollars or something.

670
00:35:02.880 --> 00:35:05.760
But he immediately said, Jeff, just draw, I mean, I

671
00:35:05.880 --> 00:35:09.360
walk him up. He's like, Jeff, just start sketching, and

672
00:35:09.440 --> 00:35:11.280
which was a great tip. So I felt like the

673
00:35:11.320 --> 00:35:13.599
guy from Close Encounters, you know, where he's building a

674
00:35:13.960 --> 00:35:18.280
woming thing. You know. I must have seventy five sketches

675
00:35:18.320 --> 00:35:19.920
here where I was drawing, and I couldn't figure out

676
00:35:19.920 --> 00:35:21.400
the arm for a while. Then it hit me that

677
00:35:21.480 --> 00:35:25.920
it just had it curled up. And interesting tidbit on

678
00:35:25.960 --> 00:35:28.519
that my niney My mother passed away last year. She

679
00:35:28.679 --> 00:35:30.760
was two weeks away from being one hundred years old.

680
00:35:31.639 --> 00:35:34.280
And I'll never forget showing her this the first time

681
00:35:34.320 --> 00:35:36.840
about a year later, because she kind of got interested

682
00:35:36.920 --> 00:35:40.400
in just watching shows and stuff. And the first time

683
00:35:40.400 --> 00:35:42.639
I showed her a cash from out with she said, oh,

684
00:35:42.719 --> 00:35:45.360
that's not a human. It doesn't have an instep. This

685
00:35:45.639 --> 00:35:49.960
very very matter of frank country, like you know. And

686
00:35:49.960 --> 00:35:52.400
then when I showed her this, she said what time

687
00:35:52.400 --> 00:35:54.519
of year was it? And I said June. She said, oh,

688
00:35:54.559 --> 00:35:57.559
it might have had a baby in its arm. I

689
00:35:57.559 --> 00:35:58.719
didn't even think about that.

690
00:35:59.320 --> 00:36:04.039
Wow, that's one of the most critible observation thought that's not.

691
00:36:04.800 --> 00:36:07.199
Yeah, yeah, it was just a thought by her because

692
00:36:07.239 --> 00:36:10.599
that code he was there, and I don't know. I

693
00:36:10.639 --> 00:36:13.239
did have my friend, one of my best friends, whose

694
00:36:13.239 --> 00:36:16.440
son played at North Carolina. He's six foot nine. He

695
00:36:16.480 --> 00:36:18.719
went there. I can't believe he did. It stood on

696
00:36:18.840 --> 00:36:21.159
side of the road the next day. And I can't

697
00:36:21.199 --> 00:36:24.119
tell you the heights, but I can tell you it

698
00:36:24.239 --> 00:36:28.239
was way bigger than him. Width was, It's very broad

699
00:36:28.280 --> 00:36:31.159
and had a very athletic if you notice a narrow waste,

700
00:36:32.800 --> 00:36:35.199
but it was. It definitely had to weigh it close

701
00:36:35.400 --> 00:36:39.760
to four hundred five hundred pounds, probably probably around four hundreds.

702
00:36:40.039 --> 00:36:43.800
You know, people always underestimate or overestimate, like bears here.

703
00:36:43.840 --> 00:36:45.599
You know, I said, who was a five hundred pound bear?

704
00:36:45.639 --> 00:36:48.840
When most time it's two hundred fifty pound bear? And

705
00:36:48.880 --> 00:36:52.119
I do think that happens a Sasquatch a lot. But

706
00:36:52.559 --> 00:36:55.920
it was incredibly sight It was just an amazing thing.

707
00:36:56.440 --> 00:37:00.360
I'll never forget. I said a little prayer because I'm

708
00:37:00.400 --> 00:37:04.599
a very faith based person and I just couldn't believe.

709
00:37:04.760 --> 00:37:07.960
I knew I seen something very very rare, and I

710
00:37:08.000 --> 00:37:11.039
hope to see another one. And what was really weird

711
00:37:11.039 --> 00:37:13.400
about this sighting Larry Sidwell. I think you said you

712
00:37:13.519 --> 00:37:14.599
had interviewed.

713
00:37:14.199 --> 00:37:16.079
Lad to Larry. He's a great guy.

714
00:37:16.159 --> 00:37:19.559
Yeah, yeah, he is. I couldn't do this report. He

715
00:37:19.599 --> 00:37:22.440
had to do it on me because I'm an investigator,

716
00:37:22.480 --> 00:37:25.920
you know. So he did a report. But what was

717
00:37:25.960 --> 00:37:29.159
weird is before this, Larry didn't know I had a sighting.

718
00:37:29.639 --> 00:37:32.599
He CAUs means, like, Jeff, you've probably heard of the

719
00:37:32.599 --> 00:37:36.719
BFR database, which is the flats. We call it a

720
00:37:36.760 --> 00:37:39.760
big database of possible sightings. Now a lot of them

721
00:37:40.119 --> 00:37:43.360
not being investigated. But you know, just there's just a bunch.

722
00:37:43.920 --> 00:37:46.840
And he said, Jeff, there's a sighting close to you.

723
00:37:46.840 --> 00:37:49.320
A guy had really not a sighting, I should say

724
00:37:49.920 --> 00:37:53.440
that heard a howl and found some a track and

725
00:37:53.480 --> 00:37:56.880
the guy was on apple atch and trail doing like

726
00:37:56.960 --> 00:38:00.960
a you know, a weekend high around this National forest

727
00:38:00.960 --> 00:38:04.400
there at Atahala and we'll tell you it's standing Indian

728
00:38:04.480 --> 00:38:08.840
National Campground area. And uh, I talked to the guy.

729
00:38:08.960 --> 00:38:11.039
I didn't even tell Larry I had a sighting yet,

730
00:38:11.519 --> 00:38:14.239
and I told him later. But that happened four days

731
00:38:14.320 --> 00:38:18.639
after my siding, and it's four point five miles from

732
00:38:18.639 --> 00:38:22.599
where I saw this at. So could be a weird coincidence,

733
00:38:22.760 --> 00:38:26.000
or it could be the same one. They had heard

734
00:38:26.039 --> 00:38:28.000
a howl of a night that woke them up. It

735
00:38:28.119 --> 00:38:31.400
was not a coyote. This guy raises his Christmas trees.

736
00:38:31.440 --> 00:38:36.519
He has coyotes on his property up in Virginia, North

737
00:38:36.519 --> 00:38:40.039
Carolina line all the time. He's a great witness. So

738
00:38:40.679 --> 00:38:42.920
the next morning they were going down to applatching trail

739
00:38:43.000 --> 00:38:46.119
and his buddy's boot he'll come off. So they looked

740
00:38:46.159 --> 00:38:48.360
at the map and seen this little hidden trail is amazing.

741
00:38:48.400 --> 00:38:50.440
They found it on a map and I know it

742
00:38:50.480 --> 00:38:53.199
real well because of Dad, and it goes down to

743
00:38:53.280 --> 00:38:55.199
the campground. So they're trying to take a shortcut as

744
00:38:55.239 --> 00:38:57.360
they went down in this and if you'd imagine and

745
00:38:57.480 --> 00:39:01.639
Smoky Mountains or our area, this is outside of the Smokies,

746
00:39:01.679 --> 00:39:05.079
but it's we're a tempered rainforest just like out with

747
00:39:05.360 --> 00:39:08.880
So in June and July. I got in there about

748
00:39:08.960 --> 00:39:13.440
July fourth, where they were at the weed you six

749
00:39:13.519 --> 00:39:17.480
seven foot tall in this area. It's just crazy. But

750
00:39:17.559 --> 00:39:21.039
they found where something went through this trail crossed and

751
00:39:21.079 --> 00:39:22.480
they followed it for a little bit and they started

752
00:39:22.480 --> 00:39:26.199
finding these big imprints in the leaf matter. And that's

753
00:39:26.199 --> 00:39:30.400
hard to find because you know, the substrate dictates how

754
00:39:30.480 --> 00:39:33.480
you can find a track. People don't realize that hooks

755
00:39:33.519 --> 00:39:37.320
animals are completely different flat footed animals it's even hard

756
00:39:37.400 --> 00:39:40.079
to find bear attracts for people. Tracks you just can't.

757
00:39:40.480 --> 00:39:42.480
But this was the kind of a wet area they

758
00:39:42.480 --> 00:39:44.679
were seeing that. Then he found some weird stuff like

759
00:39:44.760 --> 00:39:48.199
mushrooms that were picked but turned upside down sitting on

760
00:39:48.199 --> 00:39:50.480
a log near these tracks, which is kind of wild.

761
00:39:51.119 --> 00:39:53.639
And God was a great witness, but it was wild

762
00:39:53.639 --> 00:39:57.679
that it was only four days after my siding. And

763
00:39:57.760 --> 00:40:01.199
it's a good what I would call and I'm starting

764
00:40:01.199 --> 00:40:04.880
to give you information I don't really give before I

765
00:40:04.960 --> 00:40:08.360
call them corridors. You know, these things are constantly on

766
00:40:08.400 --> 00:40:11.119
the move. I wouldn't say they're nomadic in my opinion.

767
00:40:11.239 --> 00:40:13.840
These are just my opinions, Jeremiah. But I would say

768
00:40:13.880 --> 00:40:18.440
they have a massive territory though, and they're constantly moving,

769
00:40:18.440 --> 00:40:20.639
because that's the only thing that made sense. But that

770
00:40:20.800 --> 00:40:23.880
was my first sighting there. So sorry to ramble so

771
00:40:23.960 --> 00:40:24.719
much there, but.

772
00:40:25.519 --> 00:40:29.840
About your savings. So I have two questions. Could you

773
00:40:29.880 --> 00:40:35.079
see any muscle definition underneath the hair any a few seconds,

774
00:40:35.119 --> 00:40:36.440
but just curious.

775
00:40:36.519 --> 00:40:39.679
That's a good question. I definitely could see some muscles

776
00:40:39.719 --> 00:40:44.239
in the shoulder area I'm trying to remember. And I

777
00:40:44.320 --> 00:40:48.559
definitely could see what's it called. I don't know the

778
00:40:48.639 --> 00:40:50.519
proper term for it, but you know in the lower

779
00:40:50.639 --> 00:40:56.679
back area above the butt area, the indentations. And I

780
00:40:56.679 --> 00:41:00.280
will also notice when Sistoke stood there. You know how

781
00:41:00.360 --> 00:41:04.159
people's shoulders roll in kind of. I noticed its shoulders

782
00:41:04.280 --> 00:41:06.719
rolled in kind of at the top of the shoulders.

783
00:41:06.760 --> 00:41:09.599
But I did see muscle definition in the lower back

784
00:41:09.760 --> 00:41:13.199
for sure. It was very muscular. I don't know if

785
00:41:13.239 --> 00:41:16.280
you remember the wrestler Big Baan Vader that wrestled in

786
00:41:16.360 --> 00:41:18.360
the WWE for a long time.

787
00:41:18.400 --> 00:41:21.519
He's had this massive vader.

788
00:41:22.880 --> 00:41:25.679
Your how he had a thin waist. That's the way

789
00:41:25.719 --> 00:41:29.280
this thing. This thing had some massive shoulders and then

790
00:41:29.320 --> 00:41:34.360
this really athletic looking waste. It was phenomenal. Look, it

791
00:41:34.360 --> 00:41:38.239
would just took me back. But you know, like I

792
00:41:38.280 --> 00:41:41.159
mentioned to you before we started, and I hope I

793
00:41:41.159 --> 00:41:43.320
can say this quote I tell people. And when I

794
00:41:43.400 --> 00:41:46.039
asked me what happened, you know, it's a hell of

795
00:41:46.039 --> 00:41:49.079
a thing when a myth turns into reality and your body.

796
00:41:49.320 --> 00:41:51.599
I just I didn't realize that. I went back in

797
00:41:51.679 --> 00:41:54.719
town like four hours later to all night Walmart to

798
00:41:54.760 --> 00:41:57.800
get me something to drink. Oh. I walked in. The guy,

799
00:41:57.840 --> 00:41:59.840
of course said welcome, Walmart, and then I realized I

800
00:41:59.920 --> 00:42:04.679
was drenched in sweat. I had this crazy my wife

801
00:42:04.719 --> 00:42:06.639
when I called her, she said, what is wrong with you?

802
00:42:07.760 --> 00:42:10.079
I just had this reaction. And that's one thing I

803
00:42:10.119 --> 00:42:14.360
look for in good reports is the way I don't

804
00:42:14.400 --> 00:42:17.840
tell people while I'm looking. It's hard to explain when

805
00:42:17.880 --> 00:42:20.320
you can't. You see something that's not really actually supposed

806
00:42:20.360 --> 00:42:21.320
to be there, so.

807
00:42:22.719 --> 00:42:25.599
It really it really affects the person, doesn't.

808
00:42:25.320 --> 00:42:31.840
That Oh it's yeah, it kind of yeah, you can't

809
00:42:31.920 --> 00:42:34.119
let it go. And then my second siding, real quick

810
00:42:34.199 --> 00:42:36.000
like it was from an East coast that's a group

811
00:42:36.079 --> 00:42:40.000
we have a researchers basically on the kind of midwest

812
00:42:40.039 --> 00:42:43.519
East coast area, a great group at Charles Kimbrow and

813
00:42:43.559 --> 00:42:46.960
Lori Wade and some other people at Starred Larry. Great

814
00:42:47.000 --> 00:42:51.199
people in there. And we got some reports about two

815
00:42:51.199 --> 00:42:54.679
fishermen on separate occasions and see something at a state

816
00:42:54.760 --> 00:42:57.960
park in Virginia. So we went up there and real

817
00:42:58.039 --> 00:43:01.559
quick like this sighting it was just again luck, but

818
00:43:02.159 --> 00:43:04.760
I was walking up to a group. We've been separated

819
00:43:04.760 --> 00:43:06.480
because I like to do a little technique where I

820
00:43:06.519 --> 00:43:09.920
stay back behind people and listen, and a guy just

821
00:43:09.960 --> 00:43:12.199
started researching who's a really good friend of mine now

822
00:43:12.239 --> 00:43:15.199
a fellow researcher, George rig who was with me wanting

823
00:43:15.239 --> 00:43:18.559
to stay back, and we kept hearing some things which

824
00:43:18.599 --> 00:43:20.400
I think was a separate one. But as we come

825
00:43:20.440 --> 00:43:22.559
close to the group, my cell phone went off. My

826
00:43:22.559 --> 00:43:24.679
wife had text me. You know how you just randomly

827
00:43:24.719 --> 00:43:28.159
get a you know, a message signal, you know, And

828
00:43:28.239 --> 00:43:29.639
I was like, oh no, because I didn't want anything

829
00:43:29.719 --> 00:43:31.400
light in my face that night. I wasn't even using

830
00:43:31.440 --> 00:43:35.599
thermals or anything. But the moon was out and Georgia

831
00:43:35.639 --> 00:43:37.679
went past the group and the other two people with

832
00:43:37.840 --> 00:43:40.199
Rick rellis, I don't think they'll mind me miss your name.

833
00:43:40.239 --> 00:43:41.960
He's a BFR investigator.

834
00:43:42.119 --> 00:43:45.159
Reck's a great guy. He's guys I talked to like,

835
00:43:45.400 --> 00:43:47.360
yeah four years ago. He's so good.

836
00:43:47.480 --> 00:43:51.000
Yeah, yeah, a great fellow. And then Steve Poppleton, who's

837
00:43:51.000 --> 00:43:54.159
from Georgia, was with us, and as I walked up

838
00:43:54.199 --> 00:43:56.360
the group, I looked up the ridge because one of

839
00:43:56.360 --> 00:43:58.440
the techniques to Daddy always showed me hunting. So your

840
00:43:58.480 --> 00:44:01.599
profile again the ridge line, especially on moonlight at night,

841
00:44:01.599 --> 00:44:04.280
because you can see something move like an earflip or

842
00:44:04.719 --> 00:44:06.920
something's bedded down, so I was looking for a movement,

843
00:44:07.320 --> 00:44:09.800
but this wasn't on the ridge. It was blow the ridge.

844
00:44:09.840 --> 00:44:11.760
I see this big, large I thought it was a

845
00:44:11.800 --> 00:44:15.679
burnout stump. You know how I kept I remember saying myself,

846
00:44:15.719 --> 00:44:17.880
I don't remember there being a fire, people talking about

847
00:44:17.920 --> 00:44:21.360
a fire. Here this dark thing, and it was pretty

848
00:44:21.400 --> 00:44:24.840
well lit up there, not where you could see facial features,

849
00:44:24.880 --> 00:44:27.559
but you can see just something dark. So come up,

850
00:44:27.599 --> 00:44:29.639
and Laurie said, they like to call me Jess Squatch.

851
00:44:29.679 --> 00:44:32.119
And that's another story for a different time in Kentucky.

852
00:44:32.239 --> 00:44:35.159
It's a funny story if you read Charlie Raymond's book.

853
00:44:35.159 --> 00:44:38.159
It's in his book. While they called me that, but uh,

854
00:44:38.280 --> 00:44:41.559
and George again had went on so and she just said,

855
00:44:41.719 --> 00:44:43.639
just watch what's up? And I said, I just sorry

856
00:44:43.639 --> 00:44:45.920
about my phone going off. And we were talking. I

857
00:44:45.960 --> 00:44:48.679
remember Rick was wrapping up his parabolic mic, and then

858
00:44:48.719 --> 00:44:54.639
we heard this sound with and we like, George's at

859
00:44:54.679 --> 00:44:58.679
you and he on the audio. We didn't catch it

860
00:44:58.760 --> 00:45:03.119
cause everything else happened. George goes negative like this real quiet,

861
00:45:03.239 --> 00:45:07.159
you know, like and uh, well I just told Laurie,

862
00:45:07.159 --> 00:45:09.159
I said, Lord, I think that was George, you know,

863
00:45:09.760 --> 00:45:11.840
And then I just made eye contact. I looked up

864
00:45:11.920 --> 00:45:14.639
the ridgelin again this kind of gully, you know, kind

865
00:45:14.679 --> 00:45:17.320
of this kind of like this went straight up, very steep.

866
00:45:20.400 --> 00:45:22.840
We'll be back with more big Foot Society after these

867
00:45:22.880 --> 00:45:24.320
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868
00:45:29.000 --> 00:45:31.559
And you know again that stuff was there. Well when

869
00:45:31.599 --> 00:45:34.119
I made eye contact with it, I remember Rick was

870
00:45:34.119 --> 00:45:36.559
talking to Steve and putting up his pair of bolt

871
00:45:36.599 --> 00:45:40.199
and he was kind of turning towards me. I see

872
00:45:40.199 --> 00:45:43.119
this arm come out and he had hair hanging down.

873
00:45:43.639 --> 00:45:45.880
Now keep in mind, I know bears real well. Bears

874
00:45:45.880 --> 00:45:47.920
can't do that kind of movement, you know, where your

875
00:45:48.000 --> 00:45:51.159
arm goes out like this. You know, they don't have clavicles,

876
00:45:51.199 --> 00:45:53.639
you know, they don't have shoulders, but they just can't

877
00:45:53.679 --> 00:45:56.119
do that. And it kind of took me off guard.

878
00:45:56.440 --> 00:45:58.440
And then I see a leg and then it just

879
00:45:58.519 --> 00:46:02.840
takes off running astronomically fast. It's hard to describe how

880
00:46:02.880 --> 00:46:05.360
fast this was. And then Rick kind of sees it

881
00:46:05.400 --> 00:46:07.440
at the tail end of it because it goes kind

882
00:46:07.440 --> 00:46:09.920
of past my eyes out there's a little noll there

883
00:46:09.960 --> 00:46:15.119
and he because I say sorry, a cussword that I

884
00:46:15.159 --> 00:46:18.159
do sometimes and I hate to do that because it's

885
00:46:18.159 --> 00:46:20.960
startled me. You know, and the best way to describe

886
00:46:20.960 --> 00:46:24.519
what I saw was as a catcher in a squad

887
00:46:26.280 --> 00:46:28.360
and he takes off running, but he don't stand up.

888
00:46:29.159 --> 00:46:33.320
He's just kind of leaning forward. Now, the movement I've

889
00:46:33.360 --> 00:46:35.880
never seen, you know. Again, I'm a basketball trainer. I

890
00:46:36.039 --> 00:46:38.920
trained kids for basketball, used to all, you know, for

891
00:46:38.920 --> 00:46:43.760
forty something years. I know movements, and I see Bear,

892
00:46:43.920 --> 00:46:46.559
you know, can't do a smooth move Jeremiah, where if

893
00:46:46.559 --> 00:46:49.519
there were squatted or standing up, it's more of a

894
00:46:49.559 --> 00:46:52.400
plot kind of you know, they just can't control that.

895
00:46:52.480 --> 00:46:54.920
If you've ever seen that in the video, it's just weird.

896
00:46:55.199 --> 00:46:57.599
They can walk a little bit, but when they want

897
00:46:57.639 --> 00:46:59.679
to go down to four, it's just pool and this

898
00:46:59.719 --> 00:47:02.800
thing on two feet by the way, leaning and one

899
00:47:02.800 --> 00:47:04.880
of a lot of Blackburn's books. Later on, I found

900
00:47:04.880 --> 00:47:07.039
a sketch that looks just like it. I forgot to

901
00:47:07.079 --> 00:47:09.320
send you a picture of that. Of course, I you know,

902
00:47:09.559 --> 00:47:12.280
had nast law to use it, but it's more like

903
00:47:12.360 --> 00:47:15.679
what I saw. It was about leaning just about completely

904
00:47:15.719 --> 00:47:19.199
over and it was so fast, but that was slowly

905
00:47:19.320 --> 00:47:21.920
kind of standing up. I see it maybe five steps,

906
00:47:22.360 --> 00:47:24.239
and of course Rick saw it, and then we kind

907
00:47:24.239 --> 00:47:27.719
of lose it, But that was that siding there, and

908
00:47:27.800 --> 00:47:31.719
it was a phenomenal to see the movement. That was

909
00:47:31.760 --> 00:47:34.719
something in all my years, I've never seen anything move

910
00:47:34.880 --> 00:47:38.559
like that. The only thing maybe I seen accelerate that

911
00:47:38.639 --> 00:47:40.559
fast is when I used to go well cut, I

912
00:47:40.639 --> 00:47:44.320
seen antelope out west that could accelerate that fast.

913
00:47:44.599 --> 00:47:48.199
Wow, that must have been really fast. How how long

914
00:47:49.480 --> 00:47:52.920
was the hair hanging down from the arms.

915
00:47:53.039 --> 00:47:56.039
Well, it was about is a debate, and we had

916
00:47:56.119 --> 00:47:58.239
George go up there and run the next day and

917
00:47:58.320 --> 00:48:01.239
it was just way Bulker and George. But it's hard

918
00:48:01.280 --> 00:48:03.280
to tell. Again it's nighttime, but I did see the

919
00:48:03.320 --> 00:48:06.159
hair hanging out, but I would say two three inches

920
00:48:06.239 --> 00:48:08.280
good enough to tell they were hair there, if that

921
00:48:08.360 --> 00:48:11.559
makes sense. In the moonlight, maybe longer than that. But

922
00:48:11.639 --> 00:48:15.159
I definitely saw hair coming down and the arm come

923
00:48:15.199 --> 00:48:17.800
out straight from the body, not forward, you know, from

924
00:48:17.840 --> 00:48:21.079
the body towards me. It was to the side. That

925
00:48:21.159 --> 00:48:25.880
floored me. You know, you know that's only people can

926
00:48:25.920 --> 00:48:28.280
only do that. You know, it's just not a normal

927
00:48:28.320 --> 00:48:31.800
movement for any wild life you see. And again the

928
00:48:31.920 --> 00:48:34.960
size of it, George, I think weighed two hundred pounds,

929
00:48:34.960 --> 00:48:37.960
he said, in those days, I'm getting him pretty good

930
00:48:38.039 --> 00:48:40.280
right now. I said, those days he might be a

931
00:48:40.280 --> 00:48:43.119
little more of that, but it was just so much

932
00:48:43.199 --> 00:48:46.079
more bulkier than him. And I'm talking about the width

933
00:48:46.119 --> 00:48:48.280
of the thing. That's what I can't everybody gets focused

934
00:48:48.280 --> 00:48:52.719
on hot. I can't get off how wide and how

935
00:48:52.760 --> 00:48:55.119
strong these things are. They have to do a lot

936
00:48:55.159 --> 00:48:59.559
with their shoulders. They're probably on all fours a lot sometimes,

937
00:49:00.239 --> 00:49:02.360
you know, uh, or you know, digging.

938
00:49:02.920 --> 00:49:03.079
Uh.

939
00:49:03.159 --> 00:49:06.079
They just what I saw was very powerful. Both times.

940
00:49:06.159 --> 00:49:09.840
It was a fascinating thing. So that's my stories, and

941
00:49:09.880 --> 00:49:11.079
I'm sticking to it. You know.

942
00:49:11.440 --> 00:49:14.960
I love first the first encounter. I have to ask, though,

943
00:49:15.360 --> 00:49:18.000
what a what a C d C song was playing

944
00:49:18.000 --> 00:49:20.320
when you saw the big foot before?

945
00:49:20.440 --> 00:49:23.719
I'd cut it down when I saw the deer a

946
00:49:23.719 --> 00:49:27.320
little quieter because I'd roll the winded down. Yeah, uh,

947
00:49:27.400 --> 00:49:30.840
you know, because I you know, I might see some wildlife, right.

948
00:49:31.320 --> 00:49:33.559
I think it was a highway to hell.

949
00:49:33.440 --> 00:49:35.679
If I'm okay, all right, that works.

950
00:49:35.800 --> 00:49:37.239
You sound like you're like a C d C.

951
00:49:38.159 --> 00:49:40.480
No, But I mean, if you're someone's gonna make the

952
00:49:40.519 --> 00:49:43.239
movie of your siting, they have to know what you know,

953
00:49:43.239 --> 00:49:44.480
They have to know what song to play.

954
00:49:44.559 --> 00:49:47.960
So you don't do that. Maybe they get Brad Pitt

955
00:49:48.000 --> 00:49:51.679
to play me college. Yeah, that'll be a bad interpretation

956
00:49:51.719 --> 00:49:53.039
of me. If they get Brad Pitt.

957
00:49:53.320 --> 00:49:58.000
That's that's funny. Hey, Jeff, what we should play some

958
00:49:58.039 --> 00:49:59.280
of these sounds? What do you think?

959
00:49:59.800 --> 00:50:02.840
Yeah, that's one of the things I've gotten into again

960
00:50:03.000 --> 00:50:07.599
thanks to Mohuna Haley and David Ellis and people Charles Kimbro,

961
00:50:07.719 --> 00:50:09.920
I've gotten into just I love doing audio and we

962
00:50:09.960 --> 00:50:12.960
do long duration recorders. But the first one that I

963
00:50:13.000 --> 00:50:17.639
sent you out of the one I recorded, it's just

964
00:50:18.280 --> 00:50:20.239
hard to explain. I had this area and that's for

965
00:50:20.320 --> 00:50:23.360
another podcast, probably because it's just I've had so many

966
00:50:23.400 --> 00:50:25.840
things happen. But I had an area where Laurie was

967
00:50:25.840 --> 00:50:28.679
doing the expedition Laurie Wade if you know Laurie with

968
00:50:28.800 --> 00:50:32.519
the BFR. She does great expeditions, by the way, And

969
00:50:32.599 --> 00:50:34.840
I was doing a field leader. Again. I had five

970
00:50:34.880 --> 00:50:36.840
people with me that had never been in the woods

971
00:50:36.840 --> 00:50:39.440
of an Eye. We had a four pound rock front

972
00:50:39.440 --> 00:50:42.719
at us. I found the rock. Wow, it was crazy.

973
00:50:42.719 --> 00:50:45.559
So I kept going back to this area having some things.

974
00:50:45.599 --> 00:50:49.400
I was working on Pavlos theory, you know, where I

975
00:50:49.440 --> 00:50:52.119
and make one sound immediately leave. Well, this time I

976
00:50:52.199 --> 00:50:55.920
decided I'm going to aggrevate George and Lourie. So I

977
00:50:56.000 --> 00:50:59.960
went up to this little field where we'd been having

978
00:51:00.079 --> 00:51:03.800
some activity and was trying to call them because of

979
00:51:03.840 --> 00:51:06.280
the signal there. So I broke my pattern a little bit.

980
00:51:06.800 --> 00:51:11.480
And basically what you'll do is you'll hear me. I was,

981
00:51:11.519 --> 00:51:13.679
you know, texting my y'all are working, and I'm just

982
00:51:13.719 --> 00:51:16.079
out here goofing off because I'm retired. I'm in the woods,

983
00:51:16.119 --> 00:51:19.440
you know, And of course I got them for a second,

984
00:51:19.519 --> 00:51:21.960
but I thought I heard something. And then you'll hear

985
00:51:22.000 --> 00:51:23.800
me walking a little bit, and then you hear a

986
00:51:23.880 --> 00:51:27.599
very clear wood knock, and then you hear me do

987
00:51:27.679 --> 00:51:30.480
what's called a descending whoop call, which they do a lot,

988
00:51:31.119 --> 00:51:33.480
and then you'll hear the reply. And I did amplify

989
00:51:33.519 --> 00:51:37.320
that reply, Jeremia, just so my presentations people can hear

990
00:51:37.360 --> 00:51:37.800
it better.

991
00:51:41.559 --> 00:51:44.920
All right. So I'm trying to.

992
00:51:44.320 --> 00:51:49.039
Think that that was eighteen, I think, or something like that,

993
00:51:49.119 --> 00:51:50.119
ten something. Eighteen.

994
00:51:50.440 --> 00:51:52.639
Oh okay, yep, yep, yep. All right, let's try this one.

995
00:51:54.679 --> 00:51:55.400
Yeah, this is it.

996
00:51:55.880 --> 00:52:00.280
Okay, h.

997
00:52:06.039 --> 00:52:46.199
You'll hear me walking, that's the wood not and then

998
00:52:46.239 --> 00:52:51.159
that's the reply I got back. Yep, uh, I kind

999
00:52:51.159 --> 00:52:52.639
of cut it off. I did say a bad word

1000
00:52:52.679 --> 00:52:54.559
at the end of that. Sorry, but I was just startled.

1001
00:52:54.960 --> 00:52:58.280
It sounded like a disembodied voice to me. Until again

1002
00:52:58.320 --> 00:53:00.880
a good thing about audio. You know, it's hard to

1003
00:53:00.920 --> 00:53:03.760
prove stuff with audio, but you can also just document

1004
00:53:04.159 --> 00:53:07.800
better what you can hear. And sometimes jeremi, you want

1005
00:53:07.800 --> 00:53:10.320
to hear something but there's actually something going on too.

1006
00:53:11.000 --> 00:53:14.320
It's just weird how that works. But I sent that

1007
00:53:14.400 --> 00:53:18.320
to Manga Haley David out West and there's a little

1008
00:53:18.320 --> 00:53:20.320
bit of debate of whether it's one or two. But

1009
00:53:21.519 --> 00:53:24.079
he thinks it's a triple whoop. I think it might

1010
00:53:24.159 --> 00:53:27.679
be too. We put all our audio on audacity, which

1011
00:53:27.719 --> 00:53:30.239
is a problem. We can do a spectrograph and look

1012
00:53:30.280 --> 00:53:33.199
at it and the hurts it's at, and it seems

1013
00:53:33.239 --> 00:53:35.920
to me it might be another one kind of quietening

1014
00:53:36.039 --> 00:53:38.679
down another one, like a younger one. But it mimick

1015
00:53:38.800 --> 00:53:42.679
me right back, and wow, I was just startled. To

1016
00:53:42.679 --> 00:53:47.039
be honest, it was crazy. But audio is a good

1017
00:53:47.039 --> 00:53:50.960
way to get involved in the research. It's very simple.

1018
00:53:51.159 --> 00:53:54.119
Just keep your recorder with you. I use mine on

1019
00:53:54.159 --> 00:53:58.400
my backpack. It's constantly running. I've learned my lesson, learned

1020
00:53:58.400 --> 00:54:00.679
that from Turkey hup with Dad. I'm the door going

1021
00:54:00.719 --> 00:54:02.639
Turkey out and I'll sin there's a gobbler real qlose

1022
00:54:02.840 --> 00:54:05.599
like in other words, you better cut that audio on

1023
00:54:05.719 --> 00:54:07.840
right when you get out of the truck. You just

1024
00:54:07.920 --> 00:54:12.079
don't know the randomness of this stuff. It amazes me. Uh.

1025
00:54:12.119 --> 00:54:15.239
And again that's the way nature works. There's not you know,

1026
00:54:15.480 --> 00:54:18.199
it's just random when you see things or hear things.

1027
00:54:18.239 --> 00:54:20.880
And U there is another audio. I'll try to give

1028
00:54:20.880 --> 00:54:23.760
your listeners a wide variety of things, and everybody focuses

1029
00:54:23.840 --> 00:54:25.719
on the big house. The second one I like for

1030
00:54:25.760 --> 00:54:28.719
you to play is recording that. It was given to

1031
00:54:29.119 --> 00:54:32.400
me from another researcher. And uh, I can't give you

1032
00:54:32.440 --> 00:54:34.679
the location, but as a hiker on Applas and Trail

1033
00:54:34.760 --> 00:54:38.599
years ago recorded this. This is the North Georgia vocals.

1034
00:54:39.440 --> 00:54:41.840
UH use this as their presentation has a different a

1035
00:54:41.840 --> 00:54:43.320
lot of different sounds in this one.

1036
00:54:43.400 --> 00:55:13.800
Jeremiah, Okay, here the whoop.

1037
00:55:16.000 --> 00:55:19.000
That is wild? So that's you said it's North Georgia.

1038
00:55:19.639 --> 00:55:21.800
Yeah. On apple Atian Trail. He just happened to have

1039
00:55:21.840 --> 00:55:24.920
a video recorder with him. He recorded that on a

1040
00:55:25.000 --> 00:55:28.519
video recorder of a night he woke him up. And

1041
00:55:28.599 --> 00:55:31.519
there they do make in my opinion, again these are

1042
00:55:31.559 --> 00:55:35.320
all my opinion and experiences. They make more subtle noises

1043
00:55:35.360 --> 00:55:38.000
than they do the big loud ones. And the perfect

1044
00:55:38.000 --> 00:55:41.119
example there of a whoop which is kind of like

1045
00:55:41.159 --> 00:55:45.920
a giving will make you know it's exactly it's a

1046
00:55:46.000 --> 00:55:50.000
on a spectrograph that look like a backslash. And I've

1047
00:55:50.000 --> 00:55:53.400
heard that it's hard for people to really make that

1048
00:55:53.519 --> 00:55:56.159
call the way they can control it. It's very hard

1049
00:55:56.159 --> 00:55:58.440
to duplicate it. And believe me, I practiced it every

1050
00:55:58.480 --> 00:56:00.960
red light. You know. I don't know what people think

1051
00:56:01.000 --> 00:56:03.440
about me in another car, but I like to practice

1052
00:56:03.480 --> 00:56:07.199
my calls. You know, I think you do have to

1053
00:56:07.239 --> 00:56:10.480
get them to interact. We'll not interact, but react to noises.

1054
00:56:10.559 --> 00:56:14.280
Sometimes I really know if they're in a location. Although

1055
00:56:14.559 --> 00:56:17.320
I will tell you a lot of people confuse coyote

1056
00:56:17.360 --> 00:56:20.000
calls with bigfoot calls.

1057
00:56:20.280 --> 00:56:21.119
And the area.

1058
00:56:22.159 --> 00:56:24.480
I'm one of the rare people that's seen both together.

1059
00:56:25.119 --> 00:56:28.400
They are and maybe symbiotic, in other words, one works

1060
00:56:28.440 --> 00:56:31.000
off the other one kind of. I don't know. They're

1061
00:56:31.039 --> 00:56:33.559
not walking around like one got one on a leash

1062
00:56:33.679 --> 00:56:36.280
or something like that. But you know what I'm talking about,

1063
00:56:36.280 --> 00:56:38.239
maybe one makes a kill, the other one comes in

1064
00:56:38.280 --> 00:56:41.239
and robs from the other one. Kind of There's tons

1065
00:56:41.239 --> 00:56:44.239
of things in nature that are symbiotic, you know, and

1066
00:56:44.559 --> 00:56:46.840
people don't know that term. That's the little bird that's

1067
00:56:46.880 --> 00:56:49.639
sitting on the back of the rhino or whatever. You know,

1068
00:56:49.719 --> 00:56:52.119
he's eating all the bugs off the rideo kind of thing.

1069
00:56:52.239 --> 00:56:56.480
But uh so they'll confuse calls. And I encourage you

1070
00:56:56.559 --> 00:56:58.440
may wants to get in research. You got to know

1071
00:56:58.519 --> 00:57:02.960
your sounds. And there are a lot of good sound labs. Uh.

1072
00:57:03.199 --> 00:57:05.480
You know at Cornell University has a great one has

1073
00:57:05.519 --> 00:57:09.719
ever known mammal bird sound. Uh But to really you

1074
00:57:09.840 --> 00:57:15.239
got to eliminate the the obvious things first. But there's

1075
00:57:15.280 --> 00:57:17.840
not many things that are here that make that whoop sound.

1076
00:57:18.039 --> 00:57:20.760
I can tell you that for sure, you know. And

1077
00:57:21.159 --> 00:57:23.000
I don't know if the hell I sent you will

1078
00:57:23.000 --> 00:57:25.119
play really good. I'm trying to remember what I sent

1079
00:57:25.159 --> 00:57:28.400
you there, Jeremiah. I recorded it in the Smokey's a

1080
00:57:29.239 --> 00:57:33.599
backlash fall. Just luckily we're talking about I think as

1081
00:57:33.599 --> 00:57:35.920
a bobcat. We saw on the third one and our

1082
00:57:36.039 --> 00:57:38.519
other researchers walking up and then behind us on a

1083
00:57:38.679 --> 00:57:41.480
ridge where there's nothing this howl comes from.

1084
00:57:41.800 --> 00:57:43.760
All right, we'll see if this is the right one.

1085
00:57:43.800 --> 00:57:45.119
Here those guys are coming.

1086
00:57:45.639 --> 00:57:54.800
Yeah, great, Senate. Yeah, it's faint in the background. Probably

1087
00:57:55.199 --> 00:57:57.400
if they have headphones they can hear it, but probably

1088
00:57:57.480 --> 00:58:01.440
if they don't have headphones. But it's it's definitely a

1089
00:58:01.519 --> 00:58:04.960
how Again, we try to vet everything. It's pretty good

1090
00:58:05.000 --> 00:58:07.719
and send it to multiple people. One of the things

1091
00:58:07.719 --> 00:58:10.639
you'll notice with the hows the good House is the

1092
00:58:10.679 --> 00:58:13.920
way they end, you know, and Mok Haley can explain

1093
00:58:13.960 --> 00:58:16.280
that better because he's an expert in the field, but

1094
00:58:17.360 --> 00:58:20.039
they will end with the I guess it would be

1095
00:58:20.159 --> 00:58:22.920
like the ooze sound kind of thing. Are all sound like?

1096
00:58:23.639 --> 00:58:26.119
I have a little cheat sheet here. I can tell

1097
00:58:26.119 --> 00:58:29.880
you it's like a who would be like mop? And

1098
00:58:29.920 --> 00:58:33.639
then the other sound that canines can't make is the

1099
00:58:33.719 --> 00:58:36.360
boots sound, if that makes sense, The double O.

1100
00:58:36.760 --> 00:58:37.360
Interesting.

1101
00:58:37.519 --> 00:58:39.920
Yeah, so if you notice at the end of the

1102
00:58:39.960 --> 00:58:43.800
North Georgia louder sound, you'll hear the awe kind of thing.

1103
00:58:44.280 --> 00:58:49.440
Canines can't make that sound and all. And then also

1104
00:58:49.639 --> 00:58:52.519
duration is a big thing because canines usually are very

1105
00:58:52.599 --> 00:58:55.719
except for wools, you know. Of course there's we have

1106
00:58:55.800 --> 00:58:58.239
red woods and or clibenter down on the coast, but

1107
00:58:58.400 --> 00:59:02.400
uh not like the gray woofs you know up north.

1108
00:59:02.719 --> 00:59:04.960
But they can howl longer and do different sounds. And

1109
00:59:05.000 --> 00:59:06.760
there is an audio I didn't send you, but it's

1110
00:59:06.840 --> 00:59:11.800
on YouTube, the Saint Louis County, Minnesota sounds that were

1111
00:59:11.880 --> 00:59:15.360
recorded by a BFRO investigator. For like, he had an

1112
00:59:15.519 --> 00:59:18.679
ledr out long duration recorder and it lasts for close

1113
00:59:18.719 --> 00:59:21.760
to forty minutes. We'll start them off, but again, something

1114
00:59:21.800 --> 00:59:25.440
comes closer and it makes what's called a zipper call,

1115
00:59:25.800 --> 00:59:28.199
which is just like a whistle, you know, the whistle

1116
00:59:28.280 --> 00:59:32.320
thing you use in the band. Yeah, it's this crazy sound.

1117
00:59:32.400 --> 00:59:33.599
I don't know what can make.

1118
00:59:33.519 --> 00:59:35.480
That, but it sounds like a zipper.

1119
00:59:36.360 --> 00:59:40.400
Yeah, it's like like that real quick.

1120
00:59:40.719 --> 00:59:44.199
Oh yeah, yeah, I've heard that. Okay, okay, I've also

1121
00:59:44.239 --> 00:59:49.119
heard of an actual like big Foot making a zipper

1122
00:59:50.159 --> 00:59:51.800
well noise as well, and they.

1123
00:59:51.679 --> 00:59:54.599
Can do that, and they do do that. But keep

1124
00:59:54.639 --> 00:59:57.960
in mind, I did debunt some years ago because it

1125
00:59:58.079 --> 00:59:59.840
happened to me and I thought I had one in

1126
00:59:59.880 --> 01:00:03.960
a loves. What it was is a budfly byble Mins.

1127
01:00:05.360 --> 01:00:08.199
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1128
01:00:08.199 --> 01:00:16.800
from our sponsors. Oh interesting, yep, okay.

1129
01:00:17.159 --> 01:00:20.320
But they do make a zipper call though, and then

1130
01:00:20.599 --> 01:00:24.320
you know, the whoop calls are like gibbons, if you know. Again,

1131
01:00:24.400 --> 01:00:27.679
my daughter she listens to these and she said, Dad,

1132
01:00:27.719 --> 01:00:33.639
that's gibbing. You know, that's like it's you know, fascinating sounds.

1133
01:00:33.679 --> 01:00:36.599
But the audio is a good way to document things,

1134
01:00:36.639 --> 01:00:41.079
and I thoroughly and enjoy doing that, Jeremiah. You know,

1135
01:00:41.159 --> 01:00:44.480
for my own purposes. My old thing is an investigator,

1136
01:00:45.480 --> 01:00:49.320
is to document things. I've been working now really hard

1137
01:00:49.519 --> 01:00:51.840
this spring has been tough since the knee surgery, but

1138
01:00:52.679 --> 01:00:55.960
to get quality evidence and I'm just really doing that

1139
01:00:56.079 --> 01:00:58.159
to turn it over to somebody like my daughter in

1140
01:00:58.199 --> 01:01:02.239
the future. Everybody wants me to work on a book,

1141
01:01:02.280 --> 01:01:05.119
and I might do that, but my goal is ten

1142
01:01:05.199 --> 01:01:09.320
to eleven years of documenting things and then I have

1143
01:01:09.400 --> 01:01:11.760
a probably right now about what i'd call And this

1144
01:01:11.920 --> 01:01:15.440
first time I really talked about it publicly, about eighty

1145
01:01:15.480 --> 01:01:19.280
five data points in my area that I consider very

1146
01:01:19.360 --> 01:01:24.599
credible witness reports, sightings of mine or other people's, or

1147
01:01:24.760 --> 01:01:28.679
good audio occurrences. And I've tossed a lot that's not

1148
01:01:28.800 --> 01:01:32.239
in there, but I will tell you they do fit

1149
01:01:32.320 --> 01:01:36.760
a little bit of a cord kind of thing. One

1150
01:01:36.760 --> 01:01:38.599
of the things that's fascinating our area is we have

1151
01:01:38.679 --> 01:01:41.159
a lot of man made lakes. If you know anything

1152
01:01:41.199 --> 01:01:44.159
about Western Carolina. Fontana's our biggest, which are rut near

1153
01:01:44.159 --> 01:01:47.519
with Smokey's, but there's way more than that and in Georgia.

1154
01:01:48.159 --> 01:01:51.639
So not to let the cat out of the bag

1155
01:01:51.719 --> 01:01:55.360
a little bit, but those lakes force things to go places,

1156
01:01:55.400 --> 01:01:56.400
if that makes sense.

1157
01:01:56.679 --> 01:01:58.480
So I totally get it. Yeah, and I.

1158
01:01:58.480 --> 01:02:00.360
Hopefully talk more about it, but I want to have

1159
01:02:00.920 --> 01:02:05.199
in the future just way more documentation and more thought

1160
01:02:05.280 --> 01:02:07.639
into it than just throwing something out in the Bigfoot

1161
01:02:07.639 --> 01:02:11.480
world is a very skeptical places, you know, and and

1162
01:02:11.559 --> 01:02:14.000
the you know, and it's just human nature with people.

1163
01:02:15.159 --> 01:02:17.559
You know. Most of the reports I get, i'd say

1164
01:02:17.760 --> 01:02:22.559
seventy five to eighty percent or misidentifications, maybe somebody just

1165
01:02:22.760 --> 01:02:26.639
wanting to be famous, whatever. But it's like doctor Krantz

1166
01:02:26.719 --> 01:02:30.679
used to say, Grover Krantz, the famous anthropologist, that it

1167
01:02:30.719 --> 01:02:33.440
only takes one track to be real, to make it real,

1168
01:02:34.000 --> 01:02:36.960
you know. So twenty percent of those in my opinion

1169
01:02:37.039 --> 01:02:40.599
that I've worked on have been real things. And again,

1170
01:02:40.880 --> 01:02:44.199
I just two weeks ago had a contractor in our

1171
01:02:44.239 --> 01:02:47.320
area stopped me in ingland. In fact, he was so animated.

1172
01:02:47.840 --> 01:02:50.440
I was in a checkout line and he's a family

1173
01:02:50.440 --> 01:02:53.320
friend of mine. I've known him for fifty something years.

1174
01:02:53.360 --> 01:02:55.000
And he said, Jeff, I got to tea something. You

1175
01:02:55.039 --> 01:02:57.360
still do that that stuff? You know, it's funny how

1176
01:02:57.360 --> 01:03:00.559
that stuff like it's a taboo to say.

1177
01:03:00.920 --> 01:03:01.039
Yea.

1178
01:03:01.079 --> 01:03:03.559
But he said he was working by hisself in a

1179
01:03:03.599 --> 01:03:06.960
real remote area building a retaining wall and got off

1180
01:03:07.039 --> 01:03:11.199
his back hold and heard a wooden knock sound and

1181
01:03:11.280 --> 01:03:13.199
he don't really believe in this stuff, and he didn't

1182
01:03:13.199 --> 01:03:14.960
know what I think it startled him is so loud,

1183
01:03:15.000 --> 01:03:17.840
and he turned around and looked and rhododendrome and he's

1184
01:03:17.840 --> 01:03:20.360
seen its head and shoulders and this rote a dinner

1185
01:03:20.440 --> 01:03:23.119
patch looking at him, and then when he made eye contact,

1186
01:03:23.119 --> 01:03:26.320
it popped back down and was gone. It freaked him

1187
01:03:26.320 --> 01:03:28.280
out really bad. I mean, he'd been looking for me

1188
01:03:28.320 --> 01:03:30.159
for about three or four months to fire me to

1189
01:03:30.960 --> 01:03:34.239
you know, yeah, you could just tell this guy I'd

1190
01:03:34.239 --> 01:03:37.119
seen something. It was just he was just animated and

1191
01:03:37.159 --> 01:03:42.239
he's sixty something years old. You know, yeah again equipment

1192
01:03:42.280 --> 01:03:44.719
by the lad Jeremiah. I've had some experiences where heavy

1193
01:03:44.760 --> 01:03:49.360
equipment's been left and they're in the area. I don't

1194
01:03:49.360 --> 01:03:52.480
know if it's curiosity. You know that happened. You know,

1195
01:03:52.800 --> 01:03:54.880
was it Bluff Creek, Willow Creek? Oh?

1196
01:03:55.000 --> 01:03:55.400
Sure, yeah?

1197
01:03:55.760 --> 01:03:58.760
Building log roads. But like when we got I think

1198
01:03:58.760 --> 01:04:01.239
there's one other audio there that's a wood knock I

1199
01:04:01.280 --> 01:04:03.719
sent you if you want to play that. That's a

1200
01:04:03.760 --> 01:04:06.000
but there was a motigrader parked there where we parked

1201
01:04:06.039 --> 01:04:09.079
that night. It's a great example of a wood knock.

1202
01:04:09.159 --> 01:04:12.440
I think it says why w A y A h, which.

1203
01:04:12.239 --> 01:04:15.400
Means wolf and cherokee, Okay, here we go.

1204
01:04:21.039 --> 01:04:23.920
You hear it sounded like a baseball app It stopped

1205
01:04:24.000 --> 01:04:26.400
us in our tracks. We'd been out all night, didn't

1206
01:04:26.400 --> 01:04:29.880
have anything happening with my good friend, researcher George Rigley

1207
01:04:29.920 --> 01:04:32.400
and his son, and I really wanted his son to

1208
01:04:32.480 --> 01:04:35.840
experience something he had never In fact, we're walking toward

1209
01:04:35.920 --> 01:04:38.039
just old cabin at four o'clock in the morning. I

1210
01:04:38.119 --> 01:04:41.400
just wasn't gonna stop again. I get that way. I

1211
01:04:41.519 --> 01:04:44.400
just won't keep going. And we'd had some I'd found

1212
01:04:44.400 --> 01:04:46.199
a track there and a bowl hunter had sent me

1213
01:04:46.239 --> 01:04:49.559
a report real close there he'd seen one bow hunting,

1214
01:04:49.599 --> 01:04:52.519
and uh so I said, let's go down to the

1215
01:04:52.519 --> 01:04:56.000
old cabin. I remember out going, Jeff. I'd just rather

1216
01:04:56.039 --> 01:04:58.559
they'd be a bigfoot here. And this is this is scary.

1217
01:04:58.559 --> 01:05:00.800
It's like a ghost could be here. That would knock

1218
01:05:00.840 --> 01:05:03.519
happen right when we got close, and it stopped us

1219
01:05:03.519 --> 01:05:05.920
in the track and we kind of messed up and

1220
01:05:05.960 --> 01:05:09.039
went around this cabin hardly trying to cut it off,

1221
01:05:09.039 --> 01:05:10.840
and it ended up what I think I could hear

1222
01:05:10.840 --> 01:05:13.079
it in the lee's crawling. I think it dropped down

1223
01:05:13.119 --> 01:05:16.199
all fours. But I would call that a sentinel kind

1224
01:05:16.239 --> 01:05:19.480
of thing, because I think they do that sometimes while

1225
01:05:19.519 --> 01:05:22.840
the family groups feeding, they'll have one on the lookout

1226
01:05:22.960 --> 01:05:25.679
kind of and they won't do that until you get

1227
01:05:25.760 --> 01:05:29.159
really close to something or they get agitated. But there's

1228
01:05:29.199 --> 01:05:32.000
no there's nothing. I put an LDR there for four

1229
01:05:32.039 --> 01:05:36.039
months and I only heard one other wooden knock like that.

1230
01:05:36.280 --> 01:05:39.239
I could hear acres hitting the cabin. I heard all

1231
01:05:39.320 --> 01:05:41.519
kinds of stuff, but nothing that you know, how that

1232
01:05:41.639 --> 01:05:44.119
was Chris Jreman. I just sound like a baseball bat

1233
01:05:44.199 --> 01:05:44.880
hitting the ball.

1234
01:05:45.320 --> 01:05:50.280
Yeah, definitely not not an acre. I mean that's that's

1235
01:05:50.440 --> 01:05:53.079
that was very very distinct.

1236
01:05:53.320 --> 01:05:55.960
Yeah, and it has force behind it, you know, in

1237
01:05:56.000 --> 01:05:58.840
a Christmas I don't know how they do that. I

1238
01:05:58.880 --> 01:06:01.840
do think sometimes it'll do a mouth clack which sounds

1239
01:06:01.920 --> 01:06:05.199
like a wood not but it's not. But and then

1240
01:06:05.239 --> 01:06:07.719
it could do a chess slap too. I think Rick

1241
01:06:07.800 --> 01:06:11.000
Realis tonight we had deciding had heard a chest slap

1242
01:06:11.079 --> 01:06:14.320
right before I'd walked up to them there. Uh, and

1243
01:06:14.360 --> 01:06:16.440
that's one of the reasons he had is parabolic hent

1244
01:06:16.679 --> 01:06:19.320
you know, that type of thing. So, but that's you know,

1245
01:06:19.360 --> 01:06:22.639
audio is a great thing to do there. Uh and

1246
01:06:22.719 --> 01:06:27.960
it does uh, documents some unknown sounds that ball just

1247
01:06:28.039 --> 01:06:32.360
can't explain and uh uh you know, and and it's

1248
01:06:32.400 --> 01:06:34.440
just kind of fun too, to be honest, to listen

1249
01:06:34.480 --> 01:06:36.199
those recorders kind of like put you there of a

1250
01:06:36.280 --> 01:06:37.599
night and you don't have to be there.

1251
01:06:38.280 --> 01:06:38.559
Uh.

1252
01:06:38.679 --> 01:06:41.440
It is you know, one thing jeremi about this stuff

1253
01:06:41.480 --> 01:06:44.760
research And there are people that want to be researchers,

1254
01:06:44.800 --> 01:06:47.559
but they like, and I say this, pretend to be researchers,

1255
01:06:48.360 --> 01:06:51.559
but to do true research or documentation of data and

1256
01:06:51.599 --> 01:06:53.599
things like that. It is one of the hardest things

1257
01:06:53.599 --> 01:06:57.840
I've ever done. And I'm retired. This is incredibly hard.

1258
01:06:58.320 --> 01:07:01.480
I tell people it's like looking for a needle and haystack,

1259
01:07:01.559 --> 01:07:05.719
but a haystack moves around constantly, you know, and to

1260
01:07:05.760 --> 01:07:09.239
get you know, something like a Chris woodknock sound, not

1261
01:07:09.360 --> 01:07:12.480
a tap, not a limb break, and not an acron falling,

1262
01:07:12.559 --> 01:07:17.199
not a what's it called up your way? The hedge,

1263
01:07:17.199 --> 01:07:21.360
apple falling? You know them things. You know, they're they're huge,

1264
01:07:21.400 --> 01:07:24.679
you know when they fall. Yeah. So but again I

1265
01:07:24.679 --> 01:07:27.159
think what's important to you people getting into this is

1266
01:07:27.159 --> 01:07:30.000
you need to know the sounds. Now. I keep mind,

1267
01:07:30.360 --> 01:07:32.800
I grew up raccoon hunting with my dad of a

1268
01:07:32.920 --> 01:07:36.320
night with a lantern. That was it and night sound.

1269
01:07:36.440 --> 01:07:40.440
So from age five to probably fourteen or fifteen, when

1270
01:07:40.440 --> 01:07:43.119
I got into high school sports and was too busy,

1271
01:07:43.719 --> 01:07:45.480
I did that all the time. I just loved it.

1272
01:07:45.519 --> 01:07:48.039
To go with my dad. It was kind of you know,

1273
01:07:48.079 --> 01:07:50.800
he's kind of like a superhero walk around in dark,

1274
01:07:50.840 --> 01:07:53.960
you know, but these are places he grew up as

1275
01:07:53.960 --> 01:07:57.480
a kid, you know. And my grandfather had a and

1276
01:07:57.519 --> 01:08:00.880
my great grandfather had a hunting well before they were

1277
01:08:00.960 --> 01:08:04.320
National parks here they let on free range cattle and pigs.

1278
01:08:06.280 --> 01:08:10.360
Mineral companies own the rights to massive tracts of property,

1279
01:08:10.639 --> 01:08:13.639
but you could apply and free range you know what

1280
01:08:13.760 --> 01:08:15.960
you wanted to raise, and they would do that. But

1281
01:08:16.000 --> 01:08:19.319
they had a remote cabin way back in uh standing

1282
01:08:19.359 --> 01:08:23.359
in in national not hating national park. And Daddy and

1283
01:08:23.399 --> 01:08:25.920
his brother was good walk in the supplies when they

1284
01:08:25.960 --> 01:08:28.399
were just kids and then walk back of the night

1285
01:08:28.479 --> 01:08:32.840
with lanterns, so he knew this area where I'm talking

1286
01:08:32.840 --> 01:08:35.319
about having my first sighting about the back of his hands.

1287
01:08:35.439 --> 01:08:38.840
So I have a big advantage there. But and then

1288
01:08:38.880 --> 01:08:41.880
annoying the night sounds, and I still I studied, you know,

1289
01:08:42.399 --> 01:08:45.039
tonight's pretty night. I might end up riding. We got

1290
01:08:45.039 --> 01:08:47.079
the Blue Riche Parkway here. I might go up and

1291
01:08:47.239 --> 01:08:49.199
go to a few overlooks and just sit and listen,

1292
01:08:49.239 --> 01:08:53.680
you know. And it's just a really neat thing that

1293
01:08:53.800 --> 01:08:57.520
I enjoyed to do, you know. And I stumbled in

1294
01:08:57.600 --> 01:09:00.039
on this, and thanks to Matt Pruk, I though that

1295
01:09:00.079 --> 01:09:03.079
in our case he listens to this, it's his fault.

1296
01:09:04.920 --> 01:09:06.960
I said. I think it's really cool how you have

1297
01:09:07.000 --> 01:09:11.800
that that friendship with with Matt prow That's that's very cool,

1298
01:09:12.039 --> 01:09:17.720
I would say, so, you know, ending ending out our

1299
01:09:17.800 --> 01:09:22.039
discussion together, and Jeff, thank you for hanging out tonight.

1300
01:09:22.119 --> 01:09:26.079
But probably a question you may have gotten before, but

1301
01:09:27.199 --> 01:09:32.279
thinking of of the sasquatch, what do you think it

1302
01:09:32.359 --> 01:09:35.560
is that we are are dealing with out there? Have

1303
01:09:35.680 --> 01:09:40.680
you come to grips with it's probably more this type

1304
01:09:40.680 --> 01:09:44.640
of thing rather than another thing, or do you have

1305
01:09:44.680 --> 01:09:45.720
any thoughts about that?

1306
01:09:45.880 --> 01:09:48.239
Well, that's the loaded question, isn't it.

1307
01:09:48.239 --> 01:09:48.600
It is?

1308
01:09:48.680 --> 01:09:51.319
It always pops up. I love it. And by the way,

1309
01:09:51.359 --> 01:09:53.279
you do a great job. But we've just kind of

1310
01:09:53.319 --> 01:09:56.319
met this past few months and then yeah, I've listened

1311
01:09:56.319 --> 01:09:58.960
to some of your podcasts. I really appreciate the way

1312
01:09:58.960 --> 01:10:01.920
you approach things and even asking that question is a

1313
01:10:02.000 --> 01:10:05.560
good one. Uh. I will tell you I can't remember

1314
01:10:05.600 --> 01:10:08.800
who was a Grover Crnch or somebody. You can't answer

1315
01:10:09.840 --> 01:10:12.520
solve a mystery with another mystery you can. So I

1316
01:10:12.600 --> 01:10:15.439
tend to be more on the uh, you know, and

1317
01:10:15.520 --> 01:10:17.840
I'm open minded. I've seen some weird things out in

1318
01:10:17.880 --> 01:10:21.680
the woods, and you will weird lights and things, like

1319
01:10:21.720 --> 01:10:23.560
I told you when we were talking on the phone,

1320
01:10:23.640 --> 01:10:26.079
you know, kind of debut, and I've seen what my

1321
01:10:26.119 --> 01:10:29.439
mother called mineral lights or spirit lights. These are like

1322
01:10:29.520 --> 01:10:32.359
the brown mountain lights. I've seen two of those are weird.

1323
01:10:32.800 --> 01:10:36.239
But I don't see how people may cool. Let's say, example,

1324
01:10:36.560 --> 01:10:38.319
they see a weird light in the sky, but then

1325
01:10:38.359 --> 01:10:40.359
they see a big foot later. What makes you think

1326
01:10:40.359 --> 01:10:43.720
there are anywhere connected at all? You know you can't

1327
01:10:43.760 --> 01:10:47.199
do that. You're just you know, you just can't do that.

1328
01:10:47.279 --> 01:10:50.359
And I'm more. I try to be more. I guess

1329
01:10:50.399 --> 01:10:54.680
scientific based or just fact based. I want to. But

1330
01:10:54.800 --> 01:10:58.920
what I saw, particularly the first time and then saw

1331
01:10:59.159 --> 01:11:03.800
move was very primate, like I should say that now

1332
01:11:03.880 --> 01:11:07.399
that goes into all kinds of territories. People always say, well, Jeff,

1333
01:11:07.439 --> 01:11:10.119
you know I'm not an ape, Well you are a primate,

1334
01:11:10.720 --> 01:11:13.520
and then the religion thing pops up. But I don't

1335
01:11:13.600 --> 01:11:16.760
jeremia get into. I think one of the problems humans

1336
01:11:16.800 --> 01:11:20.600
have is we want to try to be God. Does

1337
01:11:20.680 --> 01:11:23.560
that make sense? And we're not. We're actually what's that?

1338
01:11:23.640 --> 01:11:29.880
There's a term anthrow morpheuism anthromorpheism if I'm sent right,

1339
01:11:29.920 --> 01:11:33.479
which is a Greek term that means that we were

1340
01:11:33.479 --> 01:11:36.800
taught by the Greeks. They taught that we're over nature,

1341
01:11:37.079 --> 01:11:40.560
over things, and actually we're just a part of nature,

1342
01:11:40.720 --> 01:11:43.479
is what it is. And here lately I think a

1343
01:11:43.479 --> 01:11:45.279
lot of people's got that kind of throat in their

1344
01:11:45.279 --> 01:11:47.159
face a little bit. We are, we could die out

1345
01:11:47.199 --> 01:11:49.560
and the world's still going to go around. So what

1346
01:11:49.600 --> 01:11:54.039
I saw was definitely a living creature. Now I don't know,

1347
01:11:54.119 --> 01:11:57.640
and it was upright very muscular. It was not an

1348
01:11:57.680 --> 01:12:00.319
apparate Let me tell you, you'll go through Did I

1349
01:12:00.359 --> 01:12:04.640
see an apparition? Did I see something time playing itself?

1350
01:12:04.640 --> 01:12:07.399
You'll go through all these things in her true sighting.

1351
01:12:07.520 --> 01:12:11.560
It is amazing. I had a young lady report of sighting.

1352
01:12:12.560 --> 01:12:16.079
It's not posted on bfr O yet. When I called her,

1353
01:12:16.359 --> 01:12:18.000
and it's been a year and a half ago, she

1354
01:12:18.119 --> 01:12:21.760
started crying and she couldn't even talk of work. She

1355
01:12:21.800 --> 01:12:23.880
had to go outside of her car. She was just

1356
01:12:24.359 --> 01:12:27.279
it was such an emotional experience for her to see

1357
01:12:27.279 --> 01:12:27.760
this thing.

1358
01:12:28.760 --> 01:12:31.600
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1359
01:12:31.600 --> 01:12:33.520
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1360
01:12:36.319 --> 01:12:39.079
And it is it's just a but I do think

1361
01:12:39.079 --> 01:12:44.279
it's a living, breathing form of a primate. I've heard noises.

1362
01:12:44.359 --> 01:12:47.760
I've heard them, and I've got documentation of them walking

1363
01:12:48.600 --> 01:12:51.119
and that was its standing stone in Tennessee where Mary

1364
01:12:51.199 --> 01:12:53.880
Green did a lot of research. If you know who

1365
01:12:53.920 --> 01:13:01.039
Mary Green was, it was either that you know, spectrograph gremoia.

1366
01:13:01.079 --> 01:13:03.359
You can tell if it's by a pedal by the lines,

1367
01:13:04.119 --> 01:13:06.479
you know, because of quite a pedal shuffle kind of

1368
01:13:06.520 --> 01:13:10.159
you know, And this was definitely by a pedal. I'm

1369
01:13:10.199 --> 01:13:14.079
sitting in pitch dark, its walking and another researcher with

1370
01:13:14.800 --> 01:13:18.119
Kentucky and Bfr Jack Smart, who's a great guy. He

1371
01:13:18.319 --> 01:13:19.840
likes to take a Tom Tom and I knew he

1372
01:13:19.880 --> 01:13:21.560
was going to do that, so I'd snuck off from

1373
01:13:21.560 --> 01:13:25.640
the group. I really believe to get a perimeter, ay

1374
01:13:25.720 --> 01:13:28.119
about two hundred yards. Keep mind, these things can hear

1375
01:13:28.720 --> 01:13:32.359
probably really really good, so they're coming close, but not

1376
01:13:32.439 --> 01:13:34.840
as close as you think. Until they feel more comfortable.

1377
01:13:34.880 --> 01:13:36.560
They just want to kind of figure out what's going on.

1378
01:13:36.640 --> 01:13:39.880
So I'm trying to, you know, get out there and listen.

1379
01:13:39.960 --> 01:13:42.439
And I heard this and it was definitely it steps

1380
01:13:42.439 --> 01:13:44.319
over a log. You can hear it taking a longer

1381
01:13:44.359 --> 01:13:48.880
steph Wow. I was beside myself because if I cut

1382
01:13:48.920 --> 01:13:51.039
my light on and it's standing in the road. It

1383
01:13:51.159 --> 01:13:53.760
was up above me on in the les is how

1384
01:13:53.800 --> 01:13:56.119
I could hear it. I would have just passed out,

1385
01:13:56.279 --> 01:13:59.359
you know, because there's this thing. But it was either

1386
01:13:59.399 --> 01:14:02.000
that or a And it's more creepy that it's a

1387
01:14:02.039 --> 01:14:05.680
person that's walking around in the dog nowhere. I mean,

1388
01:14:05.720 --> 01:14:08.319
that's kind of weird, but I do think answer your question,

1389
01:14:09.000 --> 01:14:13.319
it's some form of a primate that I saw. Particularly

1390
01:14:13.319 --> 01:14:15.960
the movement that I saw run. It looked very ape like,

1391
01:14:16.119 --> 01:14:18.520
and I get to see gorillas a lot, so I

1392
01:14:18.640 --> 01:14:21.720
see how they move. It moved more like a chimp

1393
01:14:21.720 --> 01:14:25.000
would move kind of but fast like that, you know,

1394
01:14:25.119 --> 01:14:29.520
not lumbering like a gorilla. It got gone, and I

1395
01:14:29.560 --> 01:14:31.760
think it was a juvenile, and the rock clock we

1396
01:14:31.880 --> 01:14:35.079
heard was a warning that it got out open. Because

1397
01:14:35.119 --> 01:14:38.159
Laurie saw it come down the ridge and stopped, and

1398
01:14:37.680 --> 01:14:40.199
she was afraid to say anything. I forgot to mention

1399
01:14:40.319 --> 01:14:44.159
that she just thought she was seeing things. And then

1400
01:14:44.199 --> 01:14:46.199
when we talked about later, she said, I did see

1401
01:14:46.199 --> 01:14:48.720
something move. I just thought it was I send things.

1402
01:14:49.319 --> 01:14:51.279
So I think it was a juvenile that got out

1403
01:14:51.279 --> 01:14:53.720
in the open a little too much. That's what that

1404
01:14:53.840 --> 01:14:56.840
rock clock was for. And when I broke the audio down,

1405
01:14:56.880 --> 01:14:58.880
you can hear a little bit. I think I have

1406
01:14:59.039 --> 01:15:02.359
four recordings now and you have to really listen to

1407
01:15:02.439 --> 01:15:05.520
them with headphones. But it's like a nervous tick. You'll

1408
01:15:05.560 --> 01:15:08.159
hear a whine kind of that, you know, like a

1409
01:15:08.199 --> 01:15:09.680
dog will do sometimes.

1410
01:15:09.279 --> 01:15:12.319
Oh wow, yeah.

1411
01:15:11.439 --> 01:15:14.239
Kind of thing, and you can hear that very faintly.

1412
01:15:14.880 --> 01:15:17.680
And another time, when we had a tree pushed over

1413
01:15:18.479 --> 01:15:20.560
U and I walked up to an area and I

1414
01:15:20.560 --> 01:15:22.600
could hear something moving. I heard a little bit of

1415
01:15:22.600 --> 01:15:26.600
a mumble now not talking, but just you know, a noise,

1416
01:15:26.760 --> 01:15:30.119
and then a whine kind of thing. Now, of course

1417
01:15:30.159 --> 01:15:32.720
bears can make different sounds too, but they want more

1418
01:15:32.760 --> 01:15:36.199
of a huffing sound. And then if you're you know,

1419
01:15:36.239 --> 01:15:39.039
on sightings, if people see an upright bear, to tell

1420
01:15:39.119 --> 01:15:43.159
you you know, their ears will be on top no clavicles,

1421
01:15:43.279 --> 01:15:47.199
so when they stand up they look like an as

1422
01:15:47.279 --> 01:15:50.000
the way that there's no shoulder. There's no shoulders at

1423
01:15:50.000 --> 01:15:53.560
all in a bear, just don't have glavicals and so

1424
01:15:53.720 --> 01:15:56.000
and then you'll see ears on top of the head.

1425
01:15:56.760 --> 01:15:59.239
That's tell tell things for people, you know, to see.

1426
01:15:59.239 --> 01:16:02.199
There's lots of times people will see different angles so

1427
01:16:02.239 --> 01:16:05.239
it looks different, you know, in misidifications is a big

1428
01:16:05.279 --> 01:16:08.039
thing in this but keep in mind, it only takes

1429
01:16:08.079 --> 01:16:10.560
one credible thing, like doctor Krantz said, for it to

1430
01:16:10.560 --> 01:16:11.960
be a real thing.

1431
01:16:12.119 --> 01:16:15.239
And exactly, and by.

1432
01:16:15.119 --> 01:16:17.720
The way, just a little shout out for doctor Mildrom.

1433
01:16:17.960 --> 01:16:19.880
I don't know if you heard yet. It just happen

1434
01:16:19.960 --> 01:16:21.680
on the cruise and I hope he's doing well.

1435
01:16:21.680 --> 01:16:24.479
He's I hope he's doing good too. We're kind of

1436
01:16:24.760 --> 01:16:28.239
all waiting to hear the news about how that is.

1437
01:16:28.319 --> 01:16:32.760
But yeah, that Standing Stone State Park comes up more

1438
01:16:32.800 --> 01:16:35.800
often than not on this show. It's weird, man like

1439
01:16:36.359 --> 01:16:39.960
that area there's there's something going on, because it comes

1440
01:16:40.039 --> 01:16:44.000
up over and over on my show. It is very interesting.

1441
01:16:44.119 --> 01:16:46.239
So yeah, and a lot of it's due to Mary

1442
01:16:46.279 --> 01:16:51.000
Green's great research. And by the way, Matt knows new Mary.

1443
01:16:51.319 --> 01:16:54.119
I don't know if you know that. Uh, And he

1444
01:16:54.159 --> 01:16:57.119
can talk a lot about Mary if you will, you know,

1445
01:16:57.119 --> 01:16:58.680
I don't know if you'd want to do that, and

1446
01:16:58.720 --> 01:17:02.760
he's thanks book, but he knows a lot about that,

1447
01:17:02.840 --> 01:17:06.920
and she did some great research there, spend a lot

1448
01:17:06.920 --> 01:17:11.800
of time documenting things. And again, if you ever go there,

1449
01:17:11.800 --> 01:17:14.920
it's a small state park, but there is a lot

1450
01:17:14.960 --> 01:17:17.720
of there's a national there's a forest around it too,

1451
01:17:17.800 --> 01:17:21.520
which is totally different. Uh, you know, it's not you know,

1452
01:17:21.920 --> 01:17:24.920
it's two different places name wise, So it's a bigger

1453
01:17:24.960 --> 01:17:27.079
area what most people think. And there is water there,

1454
01:17:27.399 --> 01:17:30.039
lakes and a lot of little tributaries, and it is

1455
01:17:30.199 --> 01:17:33.800
what I might opinion, a great quarter, a good transitionary

1456
01:17:33.800 --> 01:17:37.079
where they kind of move through sometimes. You know, again,

1457
01:17:37.119 --> 01:17:40.279
if these things stay in one cove as big as

1458
01:17:40.319 --> 01:17:43.279
they are, Jeremiah, you're gonna after a while you're gonna

1459
01:17:43.279 --> 01:17:46.479
see sight of them. They would just matt everything down.

1460
01:17:46.640 --> 01:17:49.920
Read wise, it's just common sense, you know. So they're

1461
01:17:50.399 --> 01:17:55.760
constantly probably moving and foragings what's going on. But it's

1462
01:17:55.760 --> 01:17:57.680
a great thing. And I encourage people out there if

1463
01:17:57.720 --> 01:18:00.960
they've ever been into an expedition or been out. I

1464
01:18:00.960 --> 01:18:03.000
know you've been out some times, you know. I think

1465
01:18:03.000 --> 01:18:05.479
I've seen you've been out here recently. It's just a

1466
01:18:06.079 --> 01:18:06.800
thing to do.

1467
01:18:07.800 --> 01:18:09.960
Yeah, I bet two times in Iowa.

1468
01:18:10.119 --> 01:18:12.680
Yeah, oh and Iowa okay, yeah.

1469
01:18:12.760 --> 01:18:16.600
Yeah, I'm from central Iowa, so that's that's where we

1470
01:18:16.600 --> 01:18:19.359
we go out. It's fun. It's fun.

1471
01:18:19.399 --> 01:18:21.319
Yeah. I hope to maybe get here with my son's

1472
01:18:21.319 --> 01:18:24.680
moved to Wisconsin. Now he's up near at Waukasas Les

1473
01:18:24.680 --> 01:18:28.359
Paul's from They are working now. He just flew back today,

1474
01:18:28.720 --> 01:18:31.399
him and his girlfriend. But hopefully I get up here

1475
01:18:31.439 --> 01:18:35.479
and we'll be up in Ohio working the Susan Fairshawk's

1476
01:18:35.640 --> 01:18:38.520
uh and Matt Moneymaker the drum thing there.

1477
01:18:39.239 --> 01:18:40.039
Uh And and.

1478
01:18:40.039 --> 01:18:45.159
I got a private thing doing uh Ohio to in Kentucky.

1479
01:18:45.239 --> 01:18:48.119
And I've been up to Ohio. Spoke at b Mills.

1480
01:18:48.119 --> 01:18:50.600
I don't know if you've interviewed Bee.

1481
01:18:50.279 --> 01:18:54.319
But yeah, but Iremi, Yeah.

1482
01:18:54.199 --> 01:18:56.960
Yeah, she's very good. And her festival, I think the

1483
01:18:56.960 --> 01:18:59.079
first year was last year and I spoke there. We

1484
01:18:59.159 --> 01:19:03.199
had twin thousand people at the festival. This year they

1485
01:19:03.199 --> 01:19:05.640
had forty two thousand people show up.

1486
01:19:06.239 --> 01:19:11.439
That was Hocking Hills, right, Hocking Hills, yep, two thousand.

1487
01:19:11.159 --> 01:19:12.920
I think forty one forty two thousand.

1488
01:19:13.039 --> 01:19:14.399
That's a wild man, you know.

1489
01:19:14.439 --> 01:19:17.760
They get that from throwing footage. Yeah, and be she

1490
01:19:17.960 --> 01:19:20.800
does a great job of that. But she has some

1491
01:19:20.840 --> 01:19:23.239
great audio by the way too, and just some good

1492
01:19:23.640 --> 01:19:26.840
track finds. But uh, yeah, it's a and like I said,

1493
01:19:26.960 --> 01:19:29.880
I was wrong about my first trip into this. There's

1494
01:19:29.920 --> 01:19:33.159
some great people in this I've met some who just

1495
01:19:33.920 --> 01:19:38.279
off the charts, great people, very knowledgeable, and they do

1496
01:19:38.359 --> 01:19:40.039
a lot of work in it, and I think lots

1497
01:19:40.039 --> 01:19:43.319
of times the research gets misinterpreted, and you know, you've

1498
01:19:43.319 --> 01:19:45.399
got a lot of couch people out there that you know,

1499
01:19:45.520 --> 01:19:47.880
want to you know, I encourage people to get out

1500
01:19:47.880 --> 01:19:51.920
and experience things for yourself, like a sunrise or you know,

1501
01:19:51.960 --> 01:19:56.000
go out and spirits. You know, I start at night,

1502
01:19:56.159 --> 01:19:58.279
you know, a moonlight night, go out in the woods,

1503
01:19:58.319 --> 01:20:01.359
and you know, go with credible people, be safe with it.

1504
01:20:01.840 --> 01:20:04.760
But it is a great experience. And then if you

1505
01:20:04.760 --> 01:20:07.560
can get lucky and have something happen, it's really unique,

1506
01:20:07.640 --> 01:20:09.800
you know. But they are a real living thing.

1507
01:20:10.560 --> 01:20:12.079
Absolutely know that for a fact.

1508
01:20:12.159 --> 01:20:12.479
For sure.

1509
01:20:12.479 --> 01:20:16.319
I agree with you there, Jeff, has been such a

1510
01:20:16.359 --> 01:20:20.720
fascinating conversation. You're You're one of those guys I feel

1511
01:20:20.720 --> 01:20:23.239
like I could I chat with forever. But thank you

1512
01:20:23.319 --> 01:20:29.319
for coming on. Thank you a fun one. It is

1513
01:20:29.359 --> 01:20:32.000
there a way that you know, Let's say someone was

1514
01:20:32.039 --> 01:20:34.560
listening to this and they're like, oh man, you mentioned

1515
01:20:34.560 --> 01:20:37.439
this area, I had something that happened in that area.

1516
01:20:38.520 --> 01:20:40.560
Is there a way people can contact you or do

1517
01:20:40.560 --> 01:20:42.840
you kind of just keep under the radar with this.

1518
01:20:42.960 --> 01:20:46.039
They can post stuff on the BFRO side all right,

1519
01:20:46.039 --> 01:20:47.960
but if you're not comfortable that, they can send me

1520
01:20:48.000 --> 01:20:53.119
an email at a Jeff Carpenter sixteen at yahoo dot com.

1521
01:20:53.560 --> 01:20:56.960
Cool now check my email there. I prefer not giving

1522
01:20:56.960 --> 01:21:01.000
out my phone number. I get more of my report sorts, Jeremiah,

1523
01:21:01.119 --> 01:21:04.920
just by word of mouth. People contact me. You know, Hey,

1524
01:21:04.920 --> 01:21:08.039
you're the big foot guy kind of thing. Uh. And

1525
01:21:08.399 --> 01:21:11.920
I'm amazed at how many people, particularly professional people like

1526
01:21:11.960 --> 01:21:15.439
a policeman. I've had park rangers. They won't talk about

1527
01:21:15.520 --> 01:21:19.119
things until they're really retired. And oh yeah, I've had

1528
01:21:19.159 --> 01:21:22.199
some good reports from Uh. I could go on and

1529
01:21:22.239 --> 01:21:24.439
on about different things, and hopefully in the future we

1530
01:21:24.479 --> 01:21:26.520
can do another one. I like to talk to you

1531
01:21:26.520 --> 01:21:29.720
about what I call the orange incident that happened at

1532
01:21:29.720 --> 01:21:33.720
debate station. It would take a whole episode talking, all right.

1533
01:21:33.880 --> 01:21:41.039
Yeah, well, but yeah, they can contact me there.

1534
01:21:41.199 --> 01:21:43.359
And I do encourage people. I do think a lot

1535
01:21:43.359 --> 01:21:47.039
of people don't do reports because they feel like they

1536
01:21:47.079 --> 01:21:49.760
would be labeled crazy, you know kind of thing, or

1537
01:21:49.800 --> 01:21:52.720
they just won't file it away, or sometimes maybe their

1538
01:21:52.800 --> 01:21:57.600
memory is a repressed memory. I found in my talk

1539
01:21:57.680 --> 01:21:59.720
if people will talk about things. It's kind of like

1540
01:21:59.800 --> 01:22:03.279
a the girl I was talking about, young lady. After

1541
01:22:03.279 --> 01:22:06.000
a while, she said, Jeff, this has been therapeutic. I've

1542
01:22:06.079 --> 01:22:08.359
kind of got this off my shoulders. I for so much.

1543
01:22:09.000 --> 01:22:11.479
They kind of have post traumatic stress disorder.

1544
01:22:11.800 --> 01:22:16.720
Absolutely, it's it's and of course doctor John Barchek.

1545
01:22:16.760 --> 01:22:20.279
If you know doctor John, he's a psychologist. We talk

1546
01:22:20.359 --> 01:22:23.479
a lot about that. I was at his first expedition

1547
01:22:23.560 --> 01:22:25.239
and helped him out a lot. He's a great guy,

1548
01:22:25.760 --> 01:22:29.920
but his specialty is post traumatic stress disorder. So they

1549
01:22:29.960 --> 01:22:32.960
do after they talk about they feel so much better

1550
01:22:34.119 --> 01:22:36.560
because it's such a weird thing to them that they saw.

1551
01:22:36.640 --> 01:22:39.760
Its kind of like if you see Jesus walking down

1552
01:22:39.760 --> 01:22:42.399
the road, he's just wow. You know, Jesus was a

1553
01:22:42.399 --> 01:22:46.239
real thing, but he just it's just hard to imagine.

1554
01:22:46.279 --> 01:22:48.439
It's a little different when you see him on the road.

1555
01:22:48.520 --> 01:22:51.319
Yeah, well, yo, I'm just saying, or Santa Claus or something,

1556
01:22:51.439 --> 01:22:54.239
just right, Yeah, exactly, wow, Santa Claus. You know, it's

1557
01:22:54.399 --> 01:22:58.039
just a but it is a real thing, and I

1558
01:22:58.079 --> 01:23:00.000
have to emphasize a lot of people. It was very

1559
01:23:00.119 --> 01:23:03.439
hard for me to come out publicly the library here

1560
01:23:03.439 --> 01:23:07.159
when we do a presentation, and I thought I'd have

1561
01:23:07.199 --> 01:23:10.640
thirty people come and I had two hundred and right,

1562
01:23:10.640 --> 01:23:11.399
two hundred.

1563
01:23:11.119 --> 01:23:12.159
And fifty people show up.

1564
01:23:12.359 --> 01:23:14.960
My goodness, oh this is a year.

1565
01:23:15.000 --> 01:23:19.760
It's twenty nineteen years ago. I couldn't believe. And I

1566
01:23:19.800 --> 01:23:22.880
had a lot of Cherokee people coming, had some sightings,

1567
01:23:22.920 --> 01:23:25.119
and you know, some of them were kind of questionable

1568
01:23:25.159 --> 01:23:27.720
sightings other people had said, but some of them were

1569
01:23:27.840 --> 01:23:29.760
very good, and I followed up, and then of course

1570
01:23:29.800 --> 01:23:31.840
I had a park ranger show up. He wouldn't give

1571
01:23:31.880 --> 01:23:34.760
you his name, but they had some things and that

1572
01:23:34.840 --> 01:23:36.920
led to a sighting a couple of years later that

1573
01:23:37.000 --> 01:23:39.399
a lady had and I was following the area and

1574
01:23:39.439 --> 01:23:41.920
she got ahold of them on the Blue Ridge Parkway

1575
01:23:41.960 --> 01:23:45.439
and it was right where these rangers two years before

1576
01:23:45.479 --> 01:23:47.079
that had said he you need keep an eye on

1577
01:23:47.079 --> 01:23:49.079
that place where I was some weird stuff happening for

1578
01:23:49.119 --> 01:23:55.600
a while and mostly noises. And yeah, again, that's probably

1579
01:23:55.920 --> 01:23:58.760
giving out information when they don't approve me doing that.

1580
01:23:58.920 --> 01:24:02.600
Oh yeah, People to understand when I'm kind of and

1581
01:24:02.640 --> 01:24:06.880
I'm reluctant to talk about locations just because of purity

1582
01:24:06.920 --> 01:24:11.199
and safety, if that makes sense. Purity for my research

1583
01:24:11.239 --> 01:24:13.640
because again I'm documenting lot of stuff. I want to

1584
01:24:13.640 --> 01:24:16.720
make sure I can, you know, not have ten people

1585
01:24:16.800 --> 01:24:20.159
doing bigfoot calls in an area that I'm trying to,

1586
01:24:20.800 --> 01:24:23.640
you know, narrow something down. You know, it's kind of hard. Luckily,

1587
01:24:23.720 --> 01:24:26.760
we don't have many roads in western North Carolina, so

1588
01:24:27.039 --> 01:24:29.119
that helps a lot. So it's one way in, one

1589
01:24:29.159 --> 01:24:29.800
way out. Driver.

1590
01:24:29.920 --> 01:24:30.399
There you go.

1591
01:24:30.760 --> 01:24:32.720
Thank you again for the office. It's been a pleasure,

1592
01:24:32.760 --> 01:24:34.840
and you do a great job. And good luck with

1593
01:24:34.359 --> 01:24:37.720
your podcasts. I love your logo by the way.

1594
01:24:38.399 --> 01:24:40.680
Oh thanks Yeah, the shout out to Jonathan Dies for

1595
01:24:41.560 --> 01:24:44.119
doing that for me. But Jeff, thanks so much for

1596
01:24:44.239 --> 01:24:44.640
coming on.

1597
01:24:44.800 --> 01:24:46.560
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1598
01:24:51.000 --> 01:24:53.760
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Her and I can get on here. We can tell

1619
01:26:49.880 --> 01:26:50.479
our stories.

1620
01:26:50.880 --> 01:26:53.039
Maybe there's somebody else out there listening.

1621
01:26:53.000 --> 01:26:56.159
That's too afraid to tell their story. Maybe this will.

1622
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Give them the courage to come out. And now I

1623
01:26:58.600 --> 01:27:01.800
feel so bad about it. Who cares what anybody's thinks.

1624
01:27:01.920 --> 01:27:04.199
I know what I saw, I know what's out there.

1625
01:27:05.079 --> 01:27:06.039
That's all I care about.

1626
01:27:21.960 --> 01:27:25.600
Please let people know, Please let them know.

1627
01:27:25.760 --> 01:27:28.479
If you ever see one of these things, you need

1628
01:27:28.600 --> 01:27:32.239
you tell, because if you don't, then shame on you,

1629
01:27:32.239 --> 01:27:44.039
you know, shame on you.