Braving the Wilds of Bluff Creek with the BC19 Expedition Team

0:00 All right, welcome to the big Foot Society Podcast. I've got the privilege of talking with mister Tate Hieronymus, Jonathan Easily and Ron Read. How are we doing tonight, gentlemen, I can't doing good? Doing good? Good about you, Jeremiah, Oh, doing so good. I'm just happy to spend some time with you guys hang out and but we are here tonight to talk about the BC nineteen expedition to Bluff Creek that's coming up pretty rapidly. How far away is the BC nineteen expedition now? About a month and a half from now, so that's coming up pretty fast, it is, it's coming up really fast. When do you guys start making your respective respective journeys out to the site. I'm not sure when Jonathan's playing ongoing, like when he's playing on a leaving, but I think Ron and I we're gonna I'm leaving on the twentieth of July, so we should be meeting up in Lincoln, Nebraska. I think I'm like the twenty first or twenty second something like that. Than caravan from there. Yeah, these guys are coming from Florida, Wisconsin. I'm coming from Idaho, so I have like a ten hour drive. It's not that bad for me. I make it in a day.

1:29 But you guys got quite the commute from You're literally going from one coast to the other right date. Yeah, that's it's funny because I think no I was talking to Ian Carton about this, but nope, I think I have a little further drive than RONDEZI. If you were to stretch Florida out towards the east more, my drive would be longer because you wouldn't think it because I'm going up the dynamic is weird of it. But I might have a longer drive. Ron does for sure, for sure, for sure. We've got a few people I want to shout out as we've got people rolling on in. We're up to sixteen now. We've got the illustrious Mike Casey hanging out with us. How's it going, sir? I hope you're not driving the trucks while you're watching this. We got mister Brown Dwarf of course, from the great state of California. How's it going, dude. We've got hides and long grass. He's cool, cool dude as well. He's got some great stories and uh oh, we've got Kevin Morrison here. Good to see you, sir. Now that we've got a few people hanging out with us, does anyone want to first give me a little summary of what the BC nineteen expedition is, Like, why even why are we? Why are we doing this this crazy journey? I don't know who wants to take that one for all right, I'll say it simply. So. You have

3:06 this giant area, and you have this string of sightings and encounters, and they stretch from the Patterson Ghiblin film site all along this kind of long corridor and they lead all the way out to Laos Camp and then Layered Meadow. And I mean, you just keep following that down down the map, but everything stops at one point and pass that point no one has been no one has We haven't heard of anybody crossing that point. There's from the Klamath to the to Laos Camp. There's this giant, just gigantic section that's been for the most part unexplored. Um we take's been asking around and people like resources like Robert Leiderman and a few others that are well connected in the area, they haven't heard of anybody making that trek. We might be the first people in decades to make this trek from the mouth of the Klamath all the way up to the Patterson Ghiblin film site. And I'd say about eighty percent of that is untraveled, unseeing for the most part, undocumented. So it's exciting.

4:13 Who knows what we'll find. You know, this is a place where nobody goes. But yet at the point that at the point that this area kind of where everyone's gone, there's been sightings and activity. So who knows what'll what'll be, what'll lie ahead of us there. Really that's what's exciting to me. Oh exactly, it really is a historic journey if if you think about it, Um, I would even dare to say full of danger. Ron, Can you talk a little bit about are you are you following a trail up up here, or what is it that you'll be walking alongside or how is that going to go down? Um? So, I think we're going to be fall the um the creek itself, and we're going to be trying to navigate along that waterway and in areas where it's particularly treacherous.

5:09 If there's too many rapids or the water gets too high, then we'll utilize what we can in the area, like game trails or UM you know, any type of embankment, the kind of navigate across. It's it's old school. I mean, it's it's we're doing a version of of kind of bushwhacking, but without having to to UM actually hack down vegetation because of course the creek is established a natural pathway. But it's, uh, it'll be interesting. It's it's UM. I'm learning about UM how to conduct wildlife surveys as an environmental field technician. And and when you follow either a waterway like this, or you follow UM an established path like a road or hiking trail UM, that's what you would call like a non linear UM survey or wildlife And it's it's kind of like you're you're using an established natural pathway to come into contact with other wildlife and survey it, you know. And that's just one of the things that we're going to be doing when we explore that area.

6:15 Is so cool. The other thing that I'm really excited about, so it's not just that you guys are walking up the creek, which viewers want to be aware at the beginning of this, there's actual rapids in this creek. It's not just going to be a walk in the park. But at the same time, I believe all three of you are going to be filming a documentary on this BC nineteen expedition. TAKEE. Do you mind talking a little bit about how that how you guys are going to film this expedition. So I know, like I'm going to be filming for the Sabay series, then Jonathan's going to be filming in for Western Bigfoot x Oration, and then Ron's going to be filming for Trailing Giants. And you know what's cool about it is outside of the filmmaking aspect, but inside of research, we you know, we collaborate really good together. You know, we kind of are already thinking something before somebody else says it. So I think in that aspect it's going to be good. But at the same time, you're going to see that we work well. But when it comes to the filmmaking aspect, it's going to be the same journey, but through different ways like editing styles and filming styles and stuff like that. It's going to be the same journey, but a completely different experience through three different points of view, which is a really cool aspect, and that's something we did a few years back with Small

7:47 Town Monsters. Alex and you know are doing Beyond the Trail, so that's going to be a really unique aspect and this journey that we're doing this summer, it's very cool, and you know, I love the stuff you guys have put out so far. I'm a big fan of it. Of course, if people want to see the episode that I've been in Tate series Sasquats a Search for Sabe, you can watch the Iowa episode, which is it's, weirdly enough, the most popular episode. I don't know why, but I know why. Wink wink, wink. I'll never tell. The cool thing about this expedition is that it's not just you three guys going on it.

8:33 Jonathan, do you mind talking a little bit about who are the what's the rest of the crew that's going to be going on this trip and anyone that wants to help with that as well. But we'll start with Jonathan, Well take kind of organize this. But the people that aren't going along, one of them is Robert Laterman, retired forest ranger from the humbold area from the Redwoods, and anybody who's met him knows he's like the most knowledgeable guy and really safe, and he just has like a story for everything you tell them, and it's always like it's always an entertaining story. He's a cool such a cool guy, and I'm really looking forward to, you know, backpacking this with him other people. Ian Carton, it's coming out from Virginia.

9:16 He's been remember the Bluff Creek project a long time and if you talk to him, he's I mean he's way into like the Harrison Gimblin era historical stuff. He's really fun to talk to as well. So the people that are going along are really heavily invested. There's a few other people. Take you want to want to fill that in. Yeah, So, like I'll kind of explain because there's for this hike, it's this is what three months in the making or more guys, and there's a lot of moving part. I mean, sure you could do this hike solo without anything, but I think there's a big risk factor in that. So to do this safely so that nobody gets hurt and it's taken a village, you could use that term.

10:01 So but we have like a base camp group and that's gonna be damon irons who we've worked with before. Terry Lindsay and Stephen Lindsay they're going to be in the bass group area at the cell site. And then um, I think we're we're gonna have a friend of mine. I don't want to say his name publicly, but he's gonna be up there. He's gonna come be our safety checkpoint guy. He's gonna go to each checkpoint that we're gonna be out. There's two of them, and then as far as the hiking group, it's gonna be Oh, I forgot somebody else is going to be at the base camp. I think hit Moral is going as far as I know, that should be fun. And then as far as the hiking group, it's going to be myself, Ron Read, Jonathan Easily, Jesus Bayon, Junior Brown Dwarf in the chat. I know he's planning on going up there with us on the hike, Robert Lderman, Ian Carton. So that's just I don't think I'm missing anybody. So that's going to be the hiking group. So there's a lot of there's a lot of moving parts to this, and you can see on the map here there's I think there's about five different areas where we're doing there's one, two, three, four, five, and those are going to be our you know, stopping points for each day and how far we're going to hike. And you can kind of see how far each place is from each other because at the very top corner of the picture I made like a little legend or whatever you want to call it.

11:31 Ty, should we just kind of follow the trail up and talk about it as as I scroll up here? Yeah, let's do it all right, let's if I can. I got it, Okay, So we start out first here. Hikes start at the Klamath River. Let's have you start out there too. I think that is going to be the most tricky part. I think most of us when we've been talking about you were in the Zoom meeting when we first heard our Zoom meeting, and you heard our concerns about that. We're like, we're thinking that's going to be the probably the hardest portion of the hike because for anybody that's driven through Bluff Creek, that's Highway ninety six right there, and that's the where Bluff Creek drains into the Klamath. Yeah, there is rapids there, but I've never hiked down there to see how big those are, because you're always seeing it for the bridge when you drive over the creek, so it you know, it looks pretty gnarly. I'd imagine it won't be very easy, but it's not going to be too hard, suspect. But they're the winter up there has been pretty bad and there's been a lot of snow, so the water level could actually be a lot higher than it's usually been up there. So that adds another factor level or another. It adds another level of difficulty to what we're doing.

13:01 So what's the what's the backup? Let's say you get to Bluff Creek, you get to the Klamath Hike in area, and uh, what happens If it's just a raging river, We're just gonna be bushwhacking on the side of the creek or what are we thinking? I say, we puck her up and pray and keep going. All right, All right, fair enough, Well let's let's just follow this on up Tate here. So we're literally just following this creek here, Bluff Creek. What do we got going on right here? So that is the first safety checkpoint. Um. I've been talking to Steven Struffer and a few others about it. So for our purposes that gentlemen, I'm not going to name his name. We're just gonna call him Harvey. Um. That's where Harvey's exposed to meet us with the car and supplies, and that's where we're gonna evaluate how we're feeling, you know, to if it's like, Okay, this creek is really really bad, we shouldn't continue it just because we don't want to get hurt, that's where we're going to stop. But if we're liking how everything's feeling, if it feels good, we're gonna keep going. And but that's right place. So depending on the road's condition, if you can get to us, that's going to say a lot. But that's our first base camp for the night.

14:26 It's about four miles up Bluff Creek from the start, nine hundred feet in elevation. So which four miles I mean I've done four miles from the Bluff Creek bridge near last camp to the film site, I think two and from there's about four miles. So it's very it's very doable. It's not that hard by any stretch of the imagination distance wise. The hardest part is just going to be the obstacles that we have to traverse. Oh. Absolutely, I mean, and I'm guessing the other time that you did those four miles, you were not in the creek doing that. We were, Oh you were, Oh okay, okay, cool, cool. It was. It was me, Um, a buddy of mine, Austin uh Rob, Robert Leiderman, and Roddy Kelly. We we hiked in the creek up to the film site and then back down to where we parked their car, which is about four miles giver take which that was in the creek. And none of us fell down once. The only time I fell down was on land when we were like one hundred yards from the car. You know, is wild, absolutely wild. Mike Casey has an interesting idea, Have you guys bring a chainsaw lol for a fall? Say? There, you never know, right, Mike, there you go. Let's continue up the creek here without a paddle. What do we got going on up here? Let's see big Foot Creek creek so that you can actually read about that in the Bluff Creek

15:56 Project book that Robert did. Um, there's been talks about, like I mean, it obviously is named Bigfoot Creek for a reason because apparently I think some of the older older loggers backed up there in the day. They were saying they had some interesting encounters and stuff during like the late sixties and maybe early fifties. So we're gonna that's our second base camp. That's the other that's the last place where our buddy Harvey can get to us with supplies. And then after that there's no there's no other way in except for Last Camp, which is was it eight eight miles from there up the creek, So that's the last place we're gonna have civilization. And in between Bigfoot Creek and Laos Camp, which is you could see that the very top circle is Laos Camp and then the very bottom circle is Bigfoot Creek. So it's gonna be it's gonna be an interesting hike. We were route beyond that, we don't know what we're gonna find it really, because I think from Bigfoot Creek down to Right's Place has been explored to some degree, um, but other than from Bigfoot Creek to Last Camp, I don't know. So wow, it should be very interesting. I want to take a little a little detour for a second before we continue on to I want to know from Ron, is Bandit going with you on this? Yeah, the plan is to take Bandit.

17:29 Um, you know, he's my long time travel companion. I plan on bringing a lot of his supplies, not making him carry his pack like he used to. He's now going to be thirteen years old. Um, he's that Australia or Australian cattle dog or blue Healer mixed breed and uh, you know what, he still gets up and he goes on seven mile hikes with me, just like on a moment's notice. He's getting he's he was pacing around the house trying to get me up earlier to get out and about. So he's still very, very active. I think he'll be great. And in some of the creek and some of the calmer waters, you know, that's a great opportunity for form some good water therapy for his old joints.

18:12 So I think it'll be a good trip for him. I think he's going to have challenges like everyone else, but he's still full of surprises and he keeps up with everybody, you know, so oh absolutely might this might be one of the last great adventures that we take take him on because he's starting to enjoy the comfort of home a little bit more than he used to. Um. But but yeah, I think he's he's gung hoo, he's still ready for something, And yeah, I don't want to deny him of that if he's still willing and able. I like what Mark Paul is saying in the chatty. It's a good thing. Yeah, it's true. Though, it's smart, you know, I know, well, there's been times before where Bandit has sensed something correct ron. Yeah, and they were Alex and Eli from Bigfoot Beyond the Trail. They were able to kind of capture a lot of that, and yeah, there was something going on. We were hearing Knox later in camp. We thought that we caught a whoop on camera, and amidst all of that, Bandit was very high alert, very nervous. That also goes back to twenty eighteen when we were hiking along a section of the big Foot Trail in Mendocino National Forest and I had heard some knocks, thought I had heard some scene something in low light, and when I was trying to put it all together and make sense of it, Bandit's instincts were kind of going off. And the following day he was very high

19:45 tuned to something behind us on the trail. It never revealed itself, so I don't know. Like bandit seems to be aware of the presence of things right before strange things start happening. And Yeah, he's been so valuable to me and the people that I work with for kind of letting us know what's going on out there. The way that this creek is set up, guys, is it you're going to be walking up the creek and are there pretty steep sides on either side there's something could be watching you from the top of the ridge, or how is this set up geographically for this uh, for this creek? Well, if you've you've if you're a fan of the Patterson Gimmon film, then you might have seen that, Um was it seventy one or seventy two overview shot of the film site that I think was it was it reneed to end and that took that one. Um, like, it's it's a valley, it's a create It's really it's a really steep on both sides of the film site. And that's what it's going to be like the whole way through the hike. It's going to be you're in a valley.

21:06 UM, there's no quick way out if there was an emergency. It's not like you're going to run up a hill and be out. You have to climb up a really steep mountain. Maybe it could be sixty to seventy degrees, you know the angle wise, that's pretty steep. UM. So the only way out, the only way out was back down or back up. So yeah, I was I was going to point out that it like looking at the map itself, you can see that there's these um contour lines that go up and up and up and up and up from the creek. The closer they are together, that signifies like a more um gain and elevation.

21:48 So so if there were wide gaps, then that would mean that, okay, it's a little bit of a shelf or a gradual climb. But since these contour lines are on top of each other, on top of each other up of graphic maps, UH use that that style to kind of demonstrate that, yeah, it's we're in the valley and we're gonna be looking up at a steep ridge m as we kind of cut through this area. So the creek has been pretty much the only geographical feature UM to dig into that earth and that rock, and so it's been consistent. It's the water has flown there for for thousands of years and and that's the only prominent um feature that's digging it. And so it's it's in deep. It's it's deeply rooted and and and we're gonna be like deep in the earth, like walking through like these steep mountain areas. You know, Mark Mark brings up as an interesting point. Uh, Mark is is a very cool guy. I front Tennessee.

22:53 We'll leave it there. Um, So is there a leader for this for this mission? Or how is how are the team dynamics going to play out for this? Says something we've thought about one man for himself And uh, you know, I am my own team leader. And now I'm kidding. I think Tate, you've been You've been pretty in charge of putting this whole thing together. But yeah, I want to say I am a team leader, but like I'm definitely manning everything, like the like I think a lot of the logistics and aspects of it, trying to get everybody route wrangled together. Um, you know, and I think I think if there's a team leader that I think you're gonna have a lot of I don't want to say riff, I think, you know what I'm trying to get at.

23:51 I think there's a lot of us here are very experienced in the woods, especially in this area. We've been there so many times. I mean Ron's done the whole Appelation trail, Jonathan's done a lot of backpacking and camping. Robert Leiderman is you know, retired for a service park ranger, law enforcement. Ian Carton, you know, he knows that area really well. So I think there's gonna be a lot of us who are very experienced who can help each other out. And then as far as like safety aspect, we do have Kit Moral, who's you know, he is a retired firefighter, but nonetheless he's very experienced. And then we do have a GPS monitor that we're gonna be using for any emergencies in case that happens. And this is something I was talking to Ron about, I think a few weeks ago.

24:42 It's not I don't really think we're really worried about breaking a leg. You'd really have to mess up to break your leg. I think more than anything that's going to happen, you could easily break your ankle or roll your ankle, or besides that, you might break your arm if you fall down and you catch yourself and you land wrong, but you'd really have to do something to break your leg um. But even even with a broken ankle or rolled ankle, I think you can make it out fairly easier on that than you would like a spiral fracture and a leg or something, or even an even a broken arm for that matter. It would not be fun or pleasant, but you can do it. I'm curious about, you know, spending that much time hiking in the water up the creek. How are you guys going to be prepared gear wise for spending that much time in the creek hiking?

25:42 Man, that's a tough one. There's so many like precautions you have to take. I mean, that water is pretty cold, right, and when you walk through it with shoes and socks on for just a little bit, you start to kind of lose circulation. It's pretty cold. I think I hiked, like, I think it was like two miles, well four miles in total, up a place called it was just past the Patterson Gimblin film site, up a place called Scorpion Creek and out of the three people in my group, all of us fell one time. And it hurts because you're falling on like rock bed in the creek, you know. And so I got to learn a little bit there. Um. But the thing is, so I got these like rubber shoes from Walmart. I plan on using those as like water shoes. We'll see how those fair. I'll also take a pair of boots with me, you know, just in case and roll roll from there. But yeah, hiking in the creek kind of sucks no matter what. It's slow going. Uh it's cold, so yeah, man.

26:45 And the other thing about like preparation, like especially for food wise, that's going to determine a lot if the road conditions for Harvey to get to. Um, if you can't get to those spots, then we have to bring our food in on our packs because you know, at least to the second uh checkpoint, a lot of our food could be in his car and then from there he would take it, which would save us a lot of, um, you know, a lot of energy carrying that stuff. So if we can't, if he can't get to those spots, then we have to take it on our on our packs and just deal with at that point, Oh, absolutely, I want to take Oh go ahead, sorry real yeah, just real quickly. But as far as like fresh water goes, you know, if you get a couple of live straws and then you have a know, some bottles to fill up in, that creek is fairly clean.

27:41 And I talked to Rowdy He's like, oh, I drank it from that creek with no nothing, no problem. So water we're pretty good. So that's the nice thing. There you go. I wanted to take a quick minute to shout out a few things. We've got almost fifty people in the chat. It's great to see all you here hanging out with us on Sunday night before a Memorial Day. I've got these gentlemen's YouTube channels, I believe in the show notes for this. If I don't, I'll have that in later. But if you're not subscribed to these guys, please make sure that you subscribe to their channels. They've got great content. And of course, if you're not subscribed to this one, make sure that you are subscribed.

28:30 Hit the bell so you get notified. I have new episodes every Monday and Friday. But if you have any questions for these guys about the BC nineteen expedition. You're welcome to put those in the chat and we will work those into the live stream. Just make sure that they are all in all caps so that I can see them easily. So Tate, I remember, you know you allowed me to be in the team planning zoom call, which was really cool. And one thing that I noticed or that made things get really serious for me was there was an area of the of the expedition where you know, you don't have cell service. You're kind of it's like a point of no return, right right. That's uh, that's after Bigfoot Creek.

29:23 Okay, right after that, because if you go so like a gem in a little bit of German. Yeah, ye, so you can see Bigfoot Creek, that's the last like place or a car could get to, providing that the roads are fine. Then if you just go up the creek kind of it kind of goes a little to the left and the up h that's Fish Creek. There's we camp there. No, there's no road or cell service. There's no cell service anywhere up there at all except for um, the cell site. Then if you keep going up a little bit more that it's uh, last camp. Now, if you go up to the very top of the picture, here there you go. Do you see that where it says there there you go. So from the start of the creek, I think screw up a little more. Is that all the way up there?

30:15 It is? Yeah, from the hike start to Rights Place, which is the first base camp, that's four miles. From Right's Place to Bigfoot Creek that's three point three. Now, from Bigfoot Creek to Fish Creek that's five miles, and then from there from Fish Creek to last camp that's three. So you know that's that's a good that's a good way. It's eight miles from Bigfoot Creek to Laos Camp. M that's eight miles that nobody's gonna be able to get to us something happens. Otherwise, if something does happen, everybody's gonna have to drop what they're doing and to leave their gear there and then hike somebody out. It's going to be an ordeal. But again, I don't really think that's going to happen. I think the war it's going to happen as somebody will twist an ankle. That's worst case scenario in my opinion. That's what I first see. Hopefully hopefully hopefully yes, yeah, hopefully fingers crossed. We have a friend in the chat. We have a few of them, but we see pedicoffs here. Who the heck are these bozos? Good to see you, buddy, Who the heck? Who the heck are these cities slickers? Yeah? Right, tell me a little bit about how at these camp sites. How are you going to be h how's your camp going to be set up? Are you doing hammocks or tents or what do you guys packing in? Well, I mean we're gonna bring our bride bride lights, so we'll have that alex um and then uh yeah,

31:48 I'm bringing in a tent just because I don't want to deal with mosquitos there. I remember one time I got bit up by mosquito. Was really bad. It was not fun. So so that's for me. Yeah, just tend to roll up sleeping mat if you can bull up air tiny. I'm a good pack those are those are handy? Go ahead, I'm gonna take yeah, man, I'm gonna take my Uh. I got this sweet little tent. It's called a six Moons Designs Lunar solo and uh it weighs like just to tick over a pound pokes up with your treking poll and it's just this awesome, awesome backpacking tent tent. I've had it in the uh, the wind, the rain, and it's just such a little tiny fortress.

32:34 And uh, you know this is all primitive. There's gonna be no flat spot, no designated flat spot like Laos camp to set your stuff up at, no way, So we're gonna have to kind of find our own ways to flatten out spots and uh set up that way. So I can even tell you what our camp is going to look like until we're there. But as far as gear goes, yeah, man, that's gonna be a sweet setup that my lunar solo hasn't let me down and box up to about i'd say about a foot. It's a tiny little thing and it does get cold by the creek creek, so I am taking a like a Marmot fifteen sleeping bag. Bluff Creek is a weird place, so it will be like one hundred degrees in the day and you can get into the forties. It's got in the thirties at night when I've been there. Yeah, So like you have these drastic like temperature changes, so you'll be in like a tank top and shorts and at night you'll be all bundled up in gloves and a jacket. It's weird. Ron I'd love to hear from you, to hear what your ideas are for what you're packing in to for your overnights. So so, because we're going in an area that is so saturated with bigfoot reports, like and if we get an opportunity later, I would love to take a really quick tour of just scrolling up the map and realize that every checkpoint that we have has sightings and significant Bigfoot historical events happen. Yes, right, that's a great idea. Let's do that later. But definitely because of that, like, I'm very like research heavy on it, like and like

34:07 one of the things it's going to be a nightmare to pack for me because I want to bring in different gear to like test the quality of the water, look at like soil mixtures, and start doing what I just learned as a field technician to kind of understand bigfoot habitat and what makes it unique and are there other places in the US that are like it? But beyond that, La tent or my sleeping structure. I'm planning on bringing in a ground blind used by hunters as kind of an experimental research technique for bigfooting. And they make these blinds now that like our sea through fabric that are camouflaged from the outside and whoever's in the inside can see out and and basically I'll pop up this this blind and I'll have one hundred and eighty agree view of the forest. And the idea is, if something comes creeping into our camp, thinking everybody's snoring in as a sleep, somebody's a century posted in the blind and they might see something under the moonlight. And we'll also plan on having a thermal unit displayed just to get a wide field of vision. And I was telling Tate I was playing with it, and I got it on another device that I can actually rotate and get a three hundred and six sixty degree view from outside the tent and then again be inside being the dark, and

35:38 be concealed from something looking towards our camp. Oh yeah, me and me and Ron have probably spent a few hours talking about like idea, because like we want to film inside the blind, but if you're filling with night vision you can actually see light, and like if you're looking from the outside into the blind, you can see light. So I was like thinking, Ron, I were like, I was, dude, what if you get like the you like the one way like sheet of paper or whatever you put on a window so it's like a one way mirror. It's like, what if you get that and you put that over the ir so there is still see you out, but nothing can see in. And I think Ron messed with that and he got something to work with that. And then so we've been coming up with like different ideas of how we can stay invisible inside the blind but still look out without being seen, or you know, just different ideas like that. So we've literally been on the phone for several hours talking of the just coming up with ideas. And the other thing about it too, is like what we're realizing is a lot of the hunting technology in this field is designed to be concealed by so that it can be applied for various different animal species. So if you're looking around long enough, you'll find hunting equipment that would be really beneficial in the right context for bigfoot research. And one of the things I like about these lines is Um, there's no zippers.

37:02 How many times do we zip something when when we hear something in the camp and we try to unzip and get out, but we never get past the tent door before we hear something scurry off. There's these silent sliders that are lined on these so that hunters can see the animal lower the window, line up a shot, and get their game. And we're going to be doing that with cameras and so whatever walks into our camp, we won't even know that the windows being opened and we're filming them. And this was something cool that kept suggested to me. So I think maybe it might be is that Fish Creek? Is that the second? That's base camp three? So I think at base Camp three, I think we're going to spend two nights instead of one. That way we can like take an extra day to explore.

37:54 Um, you'd be like, okay, give us a break from hiking the one day you know, from break of hiking, and it gives us time to explore, maybe do some extra drone shots and you know, b roll shots and interviews and stuff like that to kind of just take a break. And then we finished the hike off going to Laos Camp and you know, last camp is gonna be nice, like when we get to Laos Camp. I think when we get to Fish Creek, we're gonna be like, dude, this, we're almost done. We've made it. Then when we get to Laos Camp, it's gonna be like very very nice, and it's just very it's a very easy hike from there to the film site, so it's gonna be really exciting. Are you bringing any uh um, Oh my goodness, I'm planking pheromone chips. You're bringing any pheromone chips with you? Nope?

38:45 No, no, all right, takes natural musk is going to be that's true. That's you guys are gonna have to We'll leave with that. We got the creek right there. We're good. But we've all decided that we're all gonna like jar underwear and one one thing hanging on like some rope somewhere away from camp. There you go, Wow, you'll be in legendary science too, for sure. Take yeah, good stuff, have something good. Oh my goodness, we're gonna get kicked off YouTube. All right, Viewers, if you've got any questions, feel free to throw those in the chat. But ron I liked your idea earlier where if we could go up this expedition route and kind of talk about maybe places that Bigfoot has been seen previously, or maybe places you might think there could be some action. Well, real quickly before that, can you scroll up to Rights Place to the right a little bit and go to the right to the right to the right of Rights Place. See, now go to the right a little bit.

40:07 It's either right, it's either Rice Place or Bigfoot Creek. Can go up to the Bigfoot Creek. Sorry, okay, I'm going now scroll to the right a little bit. There it is so right there. Can you circle those two little lakes right here? Okay, that's Twin Lakes Now, that's actually where we're going to be headed after the Bluff Creek hike. Really so and big Foot Creek there's Cliff has researched that area. There's been supposed to Bigfoot activity in Bigfoot Creek, and it's it's literally, will I say, a stone's throw away from Twin Lakes. But Twin Lakes also is known to have really good big Foot activities. I just wanted to throw that out there real quickly. Sorry, round go ahead. So, so, the one thing that I was looking at is we got the hike start right here, and you know there's there are reports right there at the mouth of the Klamath River. I plan on reaching out to some of the little local businesses the campgrounds and seeing if they have any good stories, but I haven't no no, no development on that at this point. But then up there to the left, you'll see fish Lake and there are several reports from that Fish Lake area, and you can see Bluff Creek goes right behind it. And I went out there in twenty eighteen kind of check it out, and it was closed, and I mean, it's just a really cool spot, but tons

41:37 of people go there. It's a camp developed campground with a it's pretty cheap to stay the night there, I think maybe ten bucks or something, but they stock the fish and so it's a good like fishing camp experience, very popular area, lots of bigfoot reports and you know you can maybe look and see that, hey, maybe something walking along Bluff Creek dipped into Serpent Team Creek heard some noises and came out to investigate the human commotion at Fish Lake. I heard a report of somebody that was out there with her her parents or I think her dad and maybe one of their siblings, and they were sleeping in the back of his truck while he was doing some fishing at night, and then they were woken up by like this screaming and they all were kind of woke up, stirred around. The next next person over at the other campsite was like saying, Bigfoot. It's big footman, I'm getting out of here. And then the father wasn't like intimidated at that point, but then he says, I just go back to sleep. I'm still I'm I'm still gonna go fishing here. You know, I'll wake you up if we need to. And then they wake up to the truck like speeding out of the campground like fifteen miles an hour on like gravel roads and or maybe it might be paid at certain points there. Um, But like they remember seeing the fishing pole, their dad's like prized fishing pole fall out the back of the truck and then trying to scream like stop, stop, stop, you

43:08 lost your pole. He didn't stop, never went back for it. And she seems to think that maybe like after the initial screams, he heard something else or saw something and never spoke of it. That's funny Alex one, Ron, that's a that's an awesome story. I was also distracted by Alex's hilarious reference to previous expeditions Bravo concern. All right, well, Ron, let's continue. If this is great, do you guys have anything else? If I know, we're covering a lot of ground, but you guys might know much more stuff, so you should like chime into if you're aware of anything. The only thing I can add to that is that fish Lake.

43:51 This gentleman to you know him, Dick Levine. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, he told me that. I this is what he said, that Jerry Crewe found tracks near fish Lake. I was even telling me, you go into it and there's a little turn off. He goes, Now it's all overgrown, but it used to be a turnoff, and that he had found tracks there initially. So I don't know. That's what he told me. And every time I think a fish Lake reminds me of that story. Well yet, all right, let's continue up the trail. Guys, Love Creek. They're bluffing. I mean, this was scrolling as fast as we're going to be hiking this, we'll probably walking a little faster. Yeah, So Bigfoot Creek. We talked about Bigfoot Creek. Is it was it Bigfoot Creek or the next spot up? Um, can you seem out a little bit? Yep, it was Bigfoot Creek is where Robert is mentioned it in the book and where Cliff is research. That's I know, Cliff okay from what Robert told me. I don't know if Cliffs hiked from Laos Camp to Bigfoot Creek or if he just drove to Bigfoot Creek because it's like I said, Bigfoot Creek. There's a road that takes you down to that spot.

45:12 So I don't know. When trying to find the Patterson Gimblin film site, Cliff said, Cliff Brackman, that's where he began because he was like, oh, Bigfoot Creek. So he went there somehow, so he either drove or walk it. So that's the issue, you know, the elephant in the room we can talk about later. But UM, go back to that. I was gonna say, up there by Fish Creek you have Onion Mountain, and in that vicinity, I mean like Laird Meadows near Onion Mountain, You've got Onion Mountain, Onion Lake. Like tracks have been found out there for for years. Um. And so that's another spot that's on Blue Creek Mountain usually between Onion Mountain and Blue Creek Mountain. There's so much, so much history of finding tracks and I know, um Bob Titmans pulled a lot out of those areas, UM found some things. So that's three tracks that Patterson, Robert and Bob Roger and Bob came down to investigate where in between their Blue Creek and Onion Mountain. Yep. Wow, I mean this place has a lot of history. Um. Just everything we're going to pass by has been known for some big food activity to some degree. And the fact that we're hiking and a place that nobody ever frequents, Um, I think we might have a good chance of spotting something. And there's more I'll say to that later, but continue with what Ron's wanting to do. Also,

46:45 just to make it super clear for in the chat, Yeah, go ahead, this is this, Uh yeah, the expedition is northern California, Bluff Creek, thank you. All right, Well you're the Redwoods Fish Creek. Then good old Laos Camp, which in itself has you know, a knowledge and history of different sightings and you know it's where also Thomas like held the nineteen fifty eight Pacific Northwest Expedition too. So just last Camp alone has a lot going for it. You've a lot of people, there's a lot of stories about Laos Camp. We have stories about Laos Camp. Stuff, we've recorded, it's been sighting. Bobo saw one there. But south of Laos Camp, no one knows what's out there. So that's the That's the thing is, you guys really laid that out in an awesome way, how much history is in this area, and then you're you're literally hiking through it and almost an unexplored part of it. And man, I think there's a chance, there's a there's a huge chance you guys are gonna get some crazy action on this, And I'm just super excited for you. What's cool?

48:10 Right, That's right? Yeah, Well here's what I was thinking. I was asking Robert and Steven this. I was like, have you do you guys know of anybody that's ever found tracks, you know, besides Bob Gilmin, you know, on Bluff Creek itself, not just at the film site, but like Bluff Creek as the creek itself, So like if we found big foot prints on Bluff Creek during the hike. We could be the first ones. And I don't know how many years I've actually found big foot prints on the creek of Bluff Creek, which would be historic in a way, you know, because the last time creeks were pulled it was sixty seven on the creek itself. Will you have plaster supplies with you or something similar in order to ye get track casting? Wow, we're watching. I mean with any backpacking trip, especially over this many days, you're constantly watching, like every analyst you put into your backpack because everything adds up very very quickly.

49:13 If anyone's gone backpacking on a multiday hike, you know, you know, every little thing counts, and so yeah, we're gonna have to account for, you know, plaster cast all of our equipment, and you know, like I have friends that do backpacking videos of their long journeys, but we're kind of loaded up even more than them because we have night cameras. I have like three or four cameras that I constantly rotate through, you know, just but if I was just going on a hike or backpacking trip, no big foot involved, no night stuff involved, my pack weight decreases about you know, five or six pounds, maybe more. So we really have to watch it. I think we're all going to carry a little bit of plaster cast. We don't want to be those people that find tracks and you know, just have a cool story about it. Alex Tayson about yeah, Alex, I will have the light rr my phone. But you know, nothing beats nothing beats a physical track. You know. It's like, why do people buy CDs still or tapes or records. It's not about listening to it on your phone. It's about the physical cast. It's like, there's something cool about that. So it's pretty backup though. I mean to have that as a backup, that three D app right, Yeah, So I give you an example that was, like there was a cast on the Olympic Peninsula recently. It's they made a cast to this track and it didn't look very amazing, but they made a three D scan and I swear it. I mean, just this is what I think. I think that scan was better and more telling than the cast itself. So I don't know, I think

50:45 it should be like a new thing that people kind of use to double proof they're find to tapes. Credit though a photo opportunity like this is way better than this. Yeah. Yeah, that's really funny. Ron, Yeah, totally, man, I love the proper that's so good. Did you have that ready just for that moment the whole time? Yeah? I texted Ron before we started. I was like, wrong, I want to say this to be ready with this for this particular skid. You're muted, buddy.

51:27 Oh okay, So I just had it from the last interview, um that I didn't even use it, and then um, and then I just had him at my feet conveniently, no pun intended. You had mentioned there was an elf and in the room. Do you want to bring up that whatever that is? And hopefully it's so the elephant in the room. Get you could call it an elephant you if you want. But Cliff said he was Cliff or Robert said Cliff has done that high. I don't know if he did, because when he was looking for the film site, I don't know if he's hiked from last Camp to big Foot Creek looking for it. It's very well he could have. I don't really know. Um, but if you did, I don't. I won't see any pictures that he posted anywhere from it. The first time. You'll see it on camera. Yeah, this is like clear crystal four k exactly. This is gonna be the first time anybody's actually documented it publicly and released that footage. Um, So that's that's gonna be pretty cool. It's and that's why it's a historical journey because as far as I know, we're the first big foots to hike the whole thing and film it and publish it publicly. So that's what makes it historical.

52:47 And plus the other thing too is, um you know when you look at like the fifty eight expedition in Bluff Creek or when Roger and Bob went there, you know, yeah, sure Roger and Bob did or walk in the creek a lot while they were there, But I don't think anybody's done like what we're gonna do in the area, because everybody's sticking to the roads, you know, because it's the easiest way to travel in there. No one's going to take their packs and hike through up the creek and then I'm back then to do you know several day a hike like that just on a pack, what Roger and By would have to bring would be ridiculous, Like the amount of food and gear, and it would be a lot heavier.

53:30 It would be just a lot harder to do. So you know, as technology has gotten better, gear has gotten lighter and easier to use and smaller, it makes something like this more doable. And then to go along with what Jonathan saying, Yeah, if we weren't filming anything, this would be a lot easier and our packs would be a lot lighter. But like I'm bringing a couple of cameras and a GoPro and then a drone to get drone shots of it. So it's like, wow, you have to if you're especially if you're you know, you're doing a documentary, so you got to film it. You can't film without cameras. But you also need to live. You need to have food and water to you know, be comfortable on this hike and do it safely. So that's where it gets tricky. I think on this hike is the you know, filming aspect. If we were just doing big foot stuff, one little thermal would be totally fine, and you know, we weren't worried about filming, but we're the fact that we're filming is going to make it a lot more challenging. Would do we Uh, the actual date is not in public. Roundabouts round about July August there.

54:39 Yeah, fantastics coming up very soon. Take is this a Is this an expedition where people can as well a few things? Can they support the expedition financially? And also is there any way they can follow along as you guys go on the expedition? So yeah, I talked to Ron and Jonathan. We've been talking about this, so anybody can support the high We made a special cash app for it, so anybody can support. I think you have it in the notes the show notes, Jeremiah, So, I think it's BC nineteen X for expedition at you know, cash app so you can support their you know, that's going to go towards any medical supplies or any gas and anything we would possibly need if something goes wrong and stuff like that.

55:35 But they're like, if there's people that want to be a sponsor and get like their logo from their YouTube or their name and the credits or something of what we're doing, there's a sponsorship fee which is about sixty five dollars to do that, and then we'll put your logos and like your name in the credits of our films. And stuff like that, and on like a probably going to make a poster or sure something that will put everything on sy send that out to people too. So I'm kind of working on that end. But and then the other thing, what was the other thing a hasket? I forgot? Oh it can? Is there a way that people can follow along with you as the expedition is going on? So I'm working with Scott from the Big Foot Mapping Project on this idea. So we're gonna have a GPS tracker. Depending on the tracker itself, We're going to try and do a live tracking so people can monitor our progress live as we're hiking this creek. So whether or not that works. If it does, then there should be a link where you can click on and watch our progress live.

56:53 That's awesome. And then hopefully the tracker doesn't like, you know, go out in your Oh my goodness, what happened to take you know? That would be wild. But right we're we're we're hoping somebody does die because it makes you a great footage. It gets so many views. Obviously, hy everyone's coming back alive. That's that's priority number one. Well maybe maybe alive or not in one piece, but I'm curious for a question for each of you. You know, what is your number one goal personally for this expedition.

57:36 I want to see the unseen, you know what I mean? Like that's that's so cool to me, Like I mean, you take bigfoot out of the equation, it's still cool. You're just walking up some place that hasn't been seen by anyone in a very very very long time, if at all. Um And you know, when you're just hiking up somewhere, you're doing you're you're observant, but to a limited extent, when you're trying to find something elusive that's supposedly hiding out there, you know, you become even more observant. We might who knows, who knows what we'll see with that level of the heightened level of observation that we're taken into there. So I'm just excited to see new places. Who knows, well, just see some awesome waterfall or you know, ideally it'd be nice to find a nice set of tracks leading out of the canyon, right, but we'll see. Who knows what'll who knows what it'll bring? Who knows That's what I'm looking forward to. Who knows what I'm looking forward to. I think. I think for me it's um finding out what makes Bluff Creek special because it's it's taken us a while, and it's it's it's it's unusual because it's been there right in front of us, right in our faces all this time. To say that, Okay, Blue Creek, Mountain, Onion Mountain, Fish Lake, Scorpion Creek, Bigfoot Creek, all these places have something in common, and it's bigfoot and Bluff Creek. And I really want to understand why Bluff Creek

59:12 is one of the best places to go if you're looking for Bigfoot. And I think by exploring it and getting past that barrier of our human dwelling and getting out there right in the middle of the creek literally, we might start making observations and have a better understanding of what bigfoot habitat is. And that knowledge goes beyond six Rivers national forests, and you go in the United States or the world looking for undiscovered hominids, you'll have that understanding of what they might need to be alive, and you can get right down to the effective research that every bigfooter wants to conduct. I love that. Take go ahead, man, I'd have to pick a little bit of both from Jonathan and Iron. On that one, I would agree, And then I don't know, long term, it would be nice to be in the history books for you know, Bluff Creek, you know Patterson Gawin film site research and being the history books with these guys, because obviously this hike is not doable with a group of people, and I want to do this hike with people I trust and work really well with. And what better group of people than Ron and Jonathan everybody else I mentioned so, and I think I look at it

1:00:43 as like, you know, I've done all you know, this is how far I've come. It's pretty Uh, it's a milestone in my big footing big footing career, you could say, So it's pretty cool. It's like all that I've done was accumulated to this one moment um. Who knows, this could be the only last big thing I do to being known for and then I become a mediocre researcher, Like you know, kid that's hilarious. We love kid us right, funny, that's funny. I love lives would take Did you hear I said? Kit Moral? Yeah? I know?

1:01:32 Kit Moral is the man no, I just wanted to make sure that you heard he's he's a big Footer of the Year for many years in a row. Now I don't think anymore, Guys, this has been an awesome interview. I want to make sure that we don't, you know, before we start wrapping things up, that if there's anything else that you wanted to make sure you talked about regardless expedition, I want to make sure you have the chance to do it now. If not, I would love to give you the chance to tell people that are watching. And also this will be on the podcast how they can keep up to date with your bigfoot research. Besides this expedition good moral um so, so I'll take I'll take that one.

1:02:29 Um So. One thing I was gonna say about the expedition and this kind of ties in together is um even though we won't be able to really share while we're out in the creek, we won't have cell reception or anything like that. Um. I plan on doing a couple of uh like small writings and stuff about observations along the way, and for a long time I've posted a lot of my initial observations and photographs on my Trailing Giants Facebook page, so um, that might be some of the earliest forms of content from after our hikes. So that might be so, so it might be beneficial for somebody to follow my Facebook page. That's also where I'm going to end up sharing a lot of my content. I'm coming back from a hiatus. I had to get some gear updates and line up some better work life balance and stuff. But I plan on pushing some content through YouTube and other media platforms, and a lot of that's going to be shared on that Trailing Giants Facebook page. So that's the best way to stay up to date with my stuff.

1:03:35 And as of tonight or tomorrow morning, I'm going to be heading out for a couple of weeks in Colorado. We've got some rocky mountain big footing, and so I'm like, I'm here and I'm hearing bandit Wine downstairs, and I want to i want to get that gear in the car and get ready to go. It's it's gonna be exciting because I'm doing some interesting stuff out there bigfoot wise, and then also doing a dinosaur a dig. But that's just a personal interest there, but nice. But yeah, like that's I think Trailing Giants is the best and really only thing that I would I would plug out there because everything else is it branches into it. Awesome, Jonathan, go ahead, man, yeah, I know if you follow Western Bigfoot Exploration on YouTube, I got a couple of cool videos coming out before this hike. We're good to do that hike and uh, you know, I love telling it just as it is. I had some cinematic stuff to it, but no fluff, just as it is. And you know, so it'll be like like going on along the hike with us as far as my video, and I just want to yeah, man, I just I'm so excited to like do this and show show this area that hasn't been seen, you know. Awesome. I really can't wait to show how much whiske I could throw it down on this hike. So that's gonna be cool.

1:05:02 Oh absolutely, we're still wait, we're still alive. First, you're still alive and recording. Yeah, you can. You can find me take hieronymous as spelled right here on YouTube. Um, I do the series Sasquatcher, search for sobbing And if you like all of our channels, you know we all work together, so you'll probably see us in each other's videos. A lot. So no matter if you abscribe to any one of us, you'll get all of us. Yeah, it's it's pretty cool. It's like all these crossovers that happen all the time. Also, you want to make sure that you're subscribed to this channel because they are going to be coming back on after the expedition to share what happened, all the stories. If anyone didn't make it back, no, I just can't. Everyone's going to make it.

1:05:58 Yeah, we guarantee it's all of us. Well, well, we'll be able to be the first ones to confirm if somebody didn't make it back. Right, I'm seriously considering maybe not dying, but but fading slowly into the woods and ever returning. Oh there you go, perfect, perfect Homer Homer Simpson. Homer Simpson, right back into the bushes, into the forest. We don't know what happened to Ronnie just disappeared. Well there we go. So Ben a real fun interview. Thanks to all you guys for coming on, and thanks to all in the chat. Make sure that you're subscribed and we'll see you back in a few months for the fall up interview.

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