Chris Spencer of the Olympic Project (Remastered)

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I heard heavy movement around the camp
and it was just like it wasn't constant,

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it was just ever so often it
sounded something big was moving up by

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where my jeep was parked, and
it would go quiet, and I'm just

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like, am I hearing things?
And I laid down and I was just

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starting to fall asleep again, and
something grabbed the tent those tarps and pulled

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on those tarps, and I just
sat straight up and screamed. Either you're

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notes in Paid for Society. I've
taken far too much of your time so

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far, so let's get on with
the show. This time, We've got

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mister Chris Spencer with me from the
Olympic Project. How's it going, Chris

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good? How are you Gemara doing
well? Man? I've been wanting to

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talk to you for quite a long
time, so I'm pumped to have you

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on. In case we've got people
that are not familiar with Chris, I'm

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going to go ahead and talk a
little bit about your bio before we get

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into it here. Chris Spencer has
been investigating and researching the subject of sasquatch

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since twenty fifteen. The Washington State
native, Chris has had an interest in

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the subject his whole life, after
an anthropology class with doctor Grover Krantz which,

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Oh my goodness in the spring of
nineteen ninety two. He's always approached

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the subject from a science based perspective. Chris followed the subject loosely until he

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and his son had a disturbing experience
in twenty thirteen. At that point,

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he began investigating and actively searching for
evidence of the target subjects being sasquatch.

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In twenty fifteen, he began audio
recording and areas of interest and is now

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a member of the Olympic Project,
which hopefully all listeners to this and know

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what the Olympic project is. I'll
try to remember to put some links so

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you can watch that great STM documentary. Of course, Chris, you're dropping

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some crity stuff in that bio.
Is there anything else that the audience would

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want to know? Or should that
be good? Do you think pretty good?

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Like every everybody else that's in the
subject found my interest starting with the

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In Search of film that came out
in the seventies. I must have been

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about six or seven, but shortly
after watching that, and I remember my

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dad watching that film and saying,
oh, that's a guy in a suit

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and this and that. And it
wasn't long after that we had a cabin

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in Packwood, Washington, Okay.
And it was I want to say it

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was late spring. Like I said, I was like six or seven.

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But me and my dad and my
little sister went up to cut some wood

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for the cabin. And there was
a fresh clearcut that you could see down

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into the valley and see Packwood the
town. And Dad wanted to take some

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pictures and he had one of them
little instant camera things and he was taking

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pictures and I'd found these tracks along
the side of the road in the mud

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in the mud and slushy snow,
and they're barefoot print tracks. I don't

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remember the details to them, but
they're really big. And I remember telling

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my dad, Hey, Dad,
look at this bigfoot. And what I

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do remember specifically is my dad's reaction. He came over. I'm bent down

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over the track and he's looking at
the track and his eyes just about bulged

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out of his head, and he
said, get in the truck. We're

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leaving. Really, that was it. That was like, I don't know,

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I don't remember the details truck.
I just remember there were big barefootprints.

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My dad on the way home,
I remember him saying it was probably

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hunters. And I remember, actually
then before we got in the truck,

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he said it's probably hunters. I
remember saying, well, if it's a

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hunter, he doesn't have shoes on. Dad. Yeah, it definitely bothered

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him because he always said Bigfoot was
a joke. Basically, he doesn't now,

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which is cool. He's eighty now. He follows what I do.

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He's really interested in what I'm doing. Now, he's at that age where

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memories just pop into his head.
When I first started this, one of

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the first suspect things I ever recorded
were some whistles, and I was playing

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him for my dad. This is
back in like twenty sixteen or seven,

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No, actually twenty seventeen, and
out of nowhere, he just goes,

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oh, the whistling wolverine. I'm
like, whistling wolverine. What are you

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talking about? Dad? He goes, it's the whistling wolverine. And I'm

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like, I'm I go, Dad, what are you talking about? Evidently

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he was once akin up at Packwood. He had hiked into Packwood Lake and

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camped out for a night by himself. On his way out, he heard

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whistles and when he got and he
didn't think anything of it when he got

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back to when he got back to
Packwood, he went into the Blue Spruce

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Tavern, which is still there today, and he asked the locals about it,

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and they all told him, Oh, it's the whistling wolverine, and

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that's all he remembered of it.
And I goed, why haven't you told

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me the story before? Because he
knows what I do. What was it

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like to be a student of doctor
Grover Krantz in that anthropoulos? Honestly,

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I was eighteen nineteen time, and
my mind was not on Bigfoot in those

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days at all. But I loved
history and anthropology that my major was history.

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But I took just as many anthropology
classes as I did history classes,

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and I just I didn't think much
of it. He was just an older,

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kind of scary professor. Yeah,
I'm old school. I was scared

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of a lot of my teachers.
And it was it wasn't that I was

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scared of. It was just I
had a certain respect for him. And

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it was doctor Krantz and this and
that, and it was just a regular

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class until one day, and I
found out this later. He devoted one

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lecture every semester to the topic of
sasquatch. Definitely, and this is one

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of the now looking back, man, I wish I had a tape recorder

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with me for that lecture. I
have my notes somewhere in a box out

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in my garage I need to dig
out. I walked into class and here

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on his counter were these cast tracks
and of course the recreation of the Gigantapithecus

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skull that he actually came up with
from the job. He took measurement and

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built that that skull that you see
all the time now, and that was

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sitting on the counter and I'm like, what the heck's going on? But

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like I said, I wish I
had a tape recorder because that's a long

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time ago. I don't remember all
the details. But he went through the

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Patterson Gimlin film and he had I
think a third generation copy. And when

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he was done with that film,
like I said before, up until that

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point, my dad had always said
it was a guy in a suit,

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and pretty much that's what I thought
too. When I left that lecture,

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I believe that was a real animal. Wow. He explained why it couldn't

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be a person, and he had
the film, and the film that he

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showed in the class was way better
quality than what I had seen on TV.

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Oh yeah, oh yeah. And
so after that class, I called

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my mom and I told her about
it, and it just happened. That

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was the same year that he released
Big Footprints. His book had just come

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out. But my mom actually picked
me up a copy of the book and

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I was home on one of the
weekends because I was I live in western

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Washington, so ever so often i'd
drive home for a weekend or something.

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But she got me a copy of
that book and I actually took it to

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his lab and I got him to
sign it, and then I bought a

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copy of the Dermals Cast. It's
one of the tracks in his book that

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he discusses quite a bit because it
has dermal ridges on it and it's a

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cast that Paul Freeman had made from
the Blue Mountains. So I have a

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copy of that, and I think
I paid twenty bucks for it or something.

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But oh, I didn't think I
was a dummy. I didn't get

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him to sign it. I got
him to sign a book. Yeah,

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I had him signed the darn cast. I didn't do that, man,

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I thought would be nuts. I
still have that book. I've read that

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book. I don't know how many
times. Oh dude, it's probably hands

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down. It's one of the best
books out there. If you're just getting

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into the subject, you got to
read Grover Krantz's Big Footprints. It's got

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Yeah, it's got to be.
What other books do you recommend too?

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Just question? Yeah, when legend
meets science, I actually see I'm trying

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to. I really enjoyed Lan's book
that just came out in the Bluff Creek

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Project. Oh yeah, I haven't
read that yet. I need to.

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Yeah, it's not really about big
there's not a lot of bigfoot stuff in

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it, but I enjoyed hearing his
take on the process of refinding the film

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site. I really enjoyed that he
did a good job. Yeah, I

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honestly a lot of the books are
really repetitive to me. My top top

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book is probably John Green's book,
and Grover Krantz is Big Footprints. That's

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those are awesome my two top picks. I love anthy Strain's book, which

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is basically a collection of Native American
stories, and I actually got that in

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twenty fifteen, and I meant Kathy
in twenty fifteen and I got her to

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sign that. But she's really nice, really nice lady, very encouraging,

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and I have nothing but good things
to say about her and her husband,

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Bob. They're awesome people, very
encouraging people when you're when you first meet

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them, just very down to earth
people. I loved her book because it

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actually has the Native American stories from
tribes in my area, and I've recorded

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some of the things they talk about
in their stories, so it's like lends

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that little extra credence to the area
that I'm recording in. When I whistled,

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specifically the Yakima tribe the Palp tribe. I think the Shahalas tribe too,

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but I know the Yakima tribe and
the Peealp tribe. Talked about whistles.

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I'm Mount Saint Helens quite a bit
and so that's one of the things

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I've recorded up there. Over let's
say, all the things you've recorded,

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is there a recording that sticks out
to you, like maybe you could describe

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that? Hey, that to me
is like the coolest thing I've ever recorded.

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It changes every year. I get
one thing every year, but there's

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one from twenty sixteen, okay,
call it eight fit, and it's hands

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down one of my favorites. Helme. It sounds like a gorilla getting ticked

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off in the woods. WHOA,
yeah, that's why. But I've ever

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I mean, I was talking to
Shane just the other day and like,

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I have a lot of cool audio
I need to come back through that I

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forget about obviously the whistles. Again, some of my first catches are my

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favorites. I have one called Mister
Grumpy Pants I got in twenty sixteen and

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it's just I don't even describe it. It's on my YouTube channel if anyone

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wants to go listen everything. Both
those are on my YouTube channel. Awesome.

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Are they actually titled that too?
Yeah, well I did a comparison,

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and then mister grumpy Pants is just
titled mister grumpy Pants. Perfect.

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I will link those in these show
notes. Let's talk about the experience with

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your son. There's something that happened
in twenty thirteen. Do you mind sharing

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that? So? I actually,
I want to say twenty eleven. I

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had a just a knocking kind of
experience well bass fishing, so I rekindled

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my interest in the subject. At
the time of that experience, I knew

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about knocking bout it. I didn't
correlate it really with Bigfoot until I started

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investigating it. But basically I want
to say it was either twenty ten or

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twenty eleven. I'd been I used
to fish. My thing before Bigfoot was

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competition bass fishing, so oh cool, I network I was bass fishing and

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it just happened. I was fishing
with a friend from my bass club on

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Rife Lake in late September. It
was a gorgeous day and we'd just been

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running cranks parallel to the shore and
we got as we're going down this one

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shoreline, there was something large moving
in the timber, and we were on

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the We were on the side that's
up against the gift Ford pinch On National

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Forest. It was all thick,
almost straight up and down hillside right there.

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It was something big and it was
breaking branches, and it wasn't all

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the time, but it was consistently
moving with us as we fished down the

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shoreline for a good half hour plus. And I had noticed it, and

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I didn't say anything to my buddy. And we got to a creek and

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we got on some fish. So
we hung out around this creek and I

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was dropped shotting in about twenty feet
water. And I love small mouthfishing.

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We're catching small mouth anyways, so
the thought of whatever that was just it's

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gone. We're catching, We're getting
doubles and this and that, and finally

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the fishing slows down, and we
decided let's drop the big motor and run

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up the lake to closer to the
mouth of the river where the river flows

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into the reservoir. And as we're
putting our poles away and he's lowering the

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big motor pow from the timber,
and I looked at him and he laughed.

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He goes, what do you think
it is bigfoot? And I'm like,

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oh, I just like I don't
know. I go, did you

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notice what was moving? There was
something moving along shore. He goes,

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yeah, it's probably elk And that
was it. We went fishing. But

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that spurred my interest in the subject
again and I actually started looking at YouTube

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and reading all the junk that's out
there in this and that I did have

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bigfoot in the back of my brain. It wasn't like an obsession like it

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is now, but I was more
aware of the subject at that point in

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time. So by two thousand and
thirty, I wasn't clearly out of the

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loop with the subject. And I
actually contacted BFRO guy because I found the

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BFROL shortly after that, and I
was actually in the process of making a

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report with him about that experience and
when we had our experience in twenty thirteen.

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Anyways, so my son was thirteen
years old and I bought him a

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little Walmart two man tent for Christmas
and he really wanted to use it.

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And so his spring break started April
April fifth, so it was really it

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was a colder year. It was
very much like this year. We're having

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really a cold wet spring this year, and it was a similar weatherwise year,

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and it was just horrid weather.
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well, let's just get on fourteen
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what the weather's like east of the
mountains. We end up driving out to

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Skimania County camp Ground. The weather
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was still wasn't great weather, but
it was cold, and there was still

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snow up above up around two thousand
foot level. But this is so this

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was April fifth, It was a
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The campground had opened April first,
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and I'm pretty sure we were the
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up camp right on the river,
got out and decided to do a little

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exploring. And the campground is you
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the Columbia River and it's just this
little sliver of timber. It's maybe five

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acres and at that time it was
very thick with brush. There was a

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lot of vine maple, a lot
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We went down to the river and
we walked up along the river and We

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came to a spot where there was
a trail that went back into the timber,

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and there was some old, degraded
tracks, human foot shaped tracks in

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the sand. And I remember my
son Jameson is, oh, look,

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Dad, bigfoot, and I'm like
whatever. We walked up this trail and

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it hit another trail that went back
to camp. As we're walking in the

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timber, I started noticing little clusters
of piles of freshwater clams in the timber

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that were just open and clean.
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and it just in the back of
my mind, I's like odd birds

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ravens will pick those up. Jays
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usually find the shells at the shoreline
where critters have not on them, broken

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and this and that. But it
wasn't out of the realm of possibility that

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some jays or ravens had brought some
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just something in the back of my
head that was that just was odd because

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they weren't, like I said,
they weren't shoot on, and they were

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just open and clean. We got
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and we come around a bend and
right in the middle of the trail,

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there's this bind maple that's twist broke
and wrapped around a big fir tree and

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it's fresh, twist broke up about
six feet high. And right below it

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in the pine needles is an eight
x nine inch track and you can see

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a definite heel oh man, and
what looks like toad. It was very

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fresh. I'm just both me and
Jameson were like, holy crap. We're

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like, this is cool, and
so we started really looking around. We

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ended up we found another track that
went into thicker brush in all this leaf

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matter that measured eight or nine by
eighteen. I actually ran back to my

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jeep to get a tape maje or
so I can measure all these and I

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had a flip phone at the time. I have pictures somewhere, but they're

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terrible, but we took pictures and
basically we're excited. We're like, oh,

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this is cool. We found some
other odd broken branches and stuff with

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that vinomental lymb twist. I actually
I cut it out. Oh oh you

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got it right there. No way, it's nothing like it was because it

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flexed itself. It's all dried up. But this was green and wow,

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twisted all the way over. So
yeah, that's awesome. You still have

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it. Anyways, we went back
to camp and we were all excited and

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we decided go fishing. We went
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the highway there and came back and
we're roasting hot dogs and it started lightly

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raining, so I set up this
little tent of his. Didn't come with

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a rain flight, it's a walmart. I took two. I had two

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small tarps and I set up two
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I tied them up with para cord. It gets dark and Jameson went to

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bed about nine thirty, and I
fully admit I was thinking about those tracks

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and that twist break we found,
and it's dark, we're the only people.

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I was creeped out, But I
finally went to bed maybe a half

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an hour after him. I fell
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midnight. I heard heavy movement around
the camp and it was just like it

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wasn't constant, it was just ever
so often, I it sounded something big

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was moving up by where my jeep
was parked, and it would go quiet

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and I'm just like, am I
hearing things? And I lay down and

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I was just starting to fall asleep
again, fall asleep, and something grabbed

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the tent those tarps and pulled on
those tarts. Oh no, and I

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just sat straight up and screamed the
F word yeah, and screamed what the

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f and jamis? It woke Jamison
up, and Jamison was just like,

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what's going on. I'm like nothing, I'm just a bad dream. Go

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back to sleep. And yeah,
he's thirteen, he'd just go to sleep

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like that on the times he goes
back to sleep. And I only down

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and I'm like, I'm second guessing
myself. I'm like, did I really

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hear that? Or because I was
in and out of sleep and I was

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just talking myself into it, that
didn't happen. And just in case,

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I grabbed the fob to my jeep. I had the fob in my hand

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and I had the forty four on
the other hand, and I've just fallen

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asleep again, and it happened again, and this time I hit the fob.

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Lights and a horn go off with
the jeep yep, and I didn't

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sleep the rest of the night.
I sat there. That's probably the scaredest

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I've ever been. Up to that
point. That's the scaredest I've ever been

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camping. And it's still the scaredest
I've ever been. I really did a

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number on myself. I was like
shaking. I was so scared of a

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couple of points. Oh, and
I can't I couldn't get myself to get

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out of tent. I'm sitting there
with my son. I got a forty

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four magnum I can't talk myself into
getting out of tent now. Mind you.

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Nothing touched the tent again or those
tarps. Nothing came close to us

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again. But I did sporadically throughout
the night, I would hear that heavy

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movement and at one point, because
we're right by the water, something was

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down splashing around in the water.
Really yeah, and it was just it

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was actually really nerve wracking. I
had the sweats that I was Someone told

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me after it happened, They're like, oh, you got zapped. I'm

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like, no, I didn't get
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my mind. But somewhere around three
point thirty, I remember looking at my

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phone and I was just like,
oh, please let it get light.

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I wanted to get light and between
the somewhere around that time and four cow

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knock right behind me. I laid
there probably for another ten minutes, and

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then all of a sudden, I
was like, this is silly. I

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got out of the tent. I
built up a fire and I waited for

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Jamison to get up, And of
course when he got up, I asked

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him, I said, what did
you hear last night? And he's I

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heard you cut sing and I heard
the horn and the lights and everything going

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off on the jeep. And then
I told him what I heard and he

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looked at me. He goes,
I don't want to stay here again,

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dad, and like we're not right. Yeah, totally. That's what got

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me into this. That's funny because
it's like a parallel to what happened to

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you and your father where you saw
the track and your dad was like getting

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the jeeper going it is but it
can't happen with your son. That's really

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cool man. That wasn't lost upon
me, so yeah, it was Yeah.

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After that, I just, yeah, I did the YouTube thing.

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I was watching and reading everything I
could possibly find on the subject, and

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I started listening to podcasts and Shane
had a he had another podcast besides the

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Monster X going. I'd listened to
him several times and I was like,

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Man, I really like this guy. I want to meet him sometime.

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And it was I think it was
either one of his shows, one of

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those shows, or one of Monster
X shows. I heard David Ellis talking

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about audio recording. Oh yeah,
And this is like twenty fourteen by this

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time, and I'm like, you
know what that really interests me. Just

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taking a recorder out in the woods
when no one's there and just leaving it

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and seeing what it picks up at
night. I was intrigued by that thought,

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and I decided I'm going to find
a place to do that at And

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I actually in twenty fourteen, I
went back to that campground and the county

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had gone through. The county had
gone through and cleared it all out.

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It's wide up, and all the
big trees are there, but all that

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brushed, all that vine maple's gone. You could see for days in there.

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Then interesting, because I had planned, if it's still the way it

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was, I was going to set
up a recorder there. Why not.

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And I spent a lot of time
driving around the wind River, around the

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south to the southeast, side of
Saint Helens and it just dawned on me.

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I was coming home. I was
going past Eagle Cliff store when you

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evening after spending the day driving all
over and it just don't mean you dummy.

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You got to go where the animals
are. And I know where the

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Elk Winner makes. You're very close
to where I live. And I decided

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I'm going to go in there and
start recording there, and I sure is

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you know what, I end up
catching some interesting stuff and I I didn't

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mean to ramble, I got off
topic, but no, that's good,

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dude. Do you mind if we
try to play one of the sound clips

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right now? I'm going to try
to share one, specifically the eight fit

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one. All right, let's see
if I can do it. Hi,

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Jeremiah from the future there. Spoiler
alert, he did not do it.

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We had some technical malfunctions there.
But I will put in the show notes

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the link to the sound that we
were trying to play, and also a

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link to another sound that I really
should have played. It's a whole deal.

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But thanks for your patience, guys. All right, back to the

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show. That's one of the first
things I put up on my Oh,

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okay, gotcha, got you,
got ya. I've done a comparison since

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then that's a little bit better.
But that I can tell you about that

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recording. What's cool about it.
Yeah, Basically at that point in time,

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I was taking a task camout with
an external battery pack and I could

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get about three days and two nights. And I put it out on a

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Friday, and the elk had been
in there, and so I don't know

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if you ever record out. They're
like I heard of cattle going through the

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woods. They make a lot of
noise, okay, And so the elk

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were in there the first night.
Somewhere in the morning, the elk actually

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leaves. You hear them breaking branches
and walking off. A storm rolls through,

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big storm. I actually recorded a
bunch of thunder and light thunder on

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it. Around six o'clock. Storm's
done, and it's just that silent silence

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in the woods, just that there's
no wind. It's just utterly silent.

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There's a few drops of water from
residual rain and just complete silence. At

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ten fifty one PM that happens,
and basically, if you didn't hear there's

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several percussives, there's something grunting,
and then there's an ending percussive. You

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have that noise, and then it
goes dead silent again, and it's silent

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till the batteries died in the recorder, like eight hours later. I've looked

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at the grunts and it's not like
any elk I've ever recorded before. Some

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people say could be beare the percussives
are what make it for me. When

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I get vocals and percussives, that's
when it becomes really intriguing because that last

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percussive that was done intentionally and something
with hands did it. So that's why

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I love that clip. I try
to tell people with the audio, it's

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not I'm looking at everything visually.
Of course, It's not just it's a

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combination of things. It's what the
visual signatures are, what it sounds like,

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the pitch and tone. But it's
also the context, what was going

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on before the sound occurred, what
happened after the sound occurred. All of

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that plays a part in how I
come to dub something suspicious or not.

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Different animals will have specific signatures,
and each individual animal may have a different

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pitch and tone may run a little
variance in the frequencies, but especially birds

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are really repetitive. Coyotes have a
very distinctive signature, and coyotes they're all

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over the place. They make a
lot of different vocals, and that's where

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tone and pitch come into play.
It's just overall, there's a lot of

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different aspects that goes into reviewing the
audio. And it's not just I'm dubbing

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something suspicious because of one thing.
There's multiple things. Is that go into

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why I would label something suspicious?
Gotcha, Let's say we've got people listening.

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I need to make sure I have
a good sound recorder. What are

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your thoughts on what to get as
a beginner. I went with task Cams

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DR O fives. They're relatively inexpensive, they record good sound, they're perfect.

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I still use them when I go
camping. I have six that because

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I like to put out multiple recorders
at different distances and different directions. But

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I know some people like zooms,
but for affordability for your first recorder,

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I like task cams. I think
I know Alex he likes his zoom.

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I don't think they're I don't think
one is better than the other. For

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the price range around one hundred bucks. I think task cam dr O five

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x's one hundred and ten bucks or
something. You don't want Mono stare.

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It was always better, and I
usually with the taskams I have them set

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to the three twenty K MP three
just because wave is actually going to collect

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more detail. When you record in
wave format, you'll actually get a better

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quality recording, but it takes up
so much memory. Yes, the thirty

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two gig chip that those recorders take
will fill up in a matter of hours

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versus days. Like with a thirty
two gig chip set of MP three three

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twenty k you can get three days, like I said, with an external

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battery and with lithium batteries. I've
gotten two days with just the lithium batteries.

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And it says not to use lithium
in them, but I've never had

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an issue with taskams and lithium.
But wave is obviously going to give you

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a better quality recording format wise,
but it just takes up all your memory.

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You need some like the SM fours
that I use now, they have

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two terabyte slots. I can put
two terabytes cards in them because it records

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only in wave and memory and power
would come into play. But if you're

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00:31:12.960 --> 00:31:17.839
a beginner, just get the task
camera, zoom and set it to MP

406
00:31:17.920 --> 00:31:22.440
three. Why is it important to
record in stereo? It gives you more

407
00:31:22.480 --> 00:31:26.880
context to the overall ambient sound.
It sounds better. If you listen to

408
00:31:27.200 --> 00:31:30.880
the Sierra sounds, they sound that
that was in mono. It doesn't.

409
00:31:32.400 --> 00:31:36.240
It sounds crappy, and that's part
of the criticism to those sounds. And

410
00:31:36.839 --> 00:31:40.400
I just I mean, you can
record a lot of people like using parabolic

411
00:31:40.440 --> 00:31:44.759
dishes. I hate them. It
sounds like crap. And unless you honestly,

412
00:31:44.920 --> 00:31:48.640
unless you know specifically where to point
it. Why I want to catch

413
00:31:48.680 --> 00:31:52.799
three sixty I want an OMNIMC or
I want stereo. I want to catch

414
00:31:52.880 --> 00:31:55.920
three sixty, three hundred and sixty
degrees around my recorder. I want to

415
00:31:55.960 --> 00:31:57.640
catch all the sound around it.
I don't want to just focus on one

416
00:31:57.680 --> 00:32:01.000
place, but the other thing with
if you have stereo mics on it,

417
00:32:01.359 --> 00:32:07.359
if you remember I always forget that
if you have stereo mics, when you're

418
00:32:07.400 --> 00:32:10.200
reviewing in spectrogram on Audacity, it'll
show you each mic. You're going to

419
00:32:10.400 --> 00:32:15.480
get a picture for each mic.
Okay, start getting some directional on it.

420
00:32:16.039 --> 00:32:20.079
If the sound's coming in more on
your left mic. That's where the

421
00:32:20.119 --> 00:32:22.680
sound's coming from. So if I
if I remember to, I point my

422
00:32:22.720 --> 00:32:28.839
MIC's north to south and left mic
says pointed north, and something's coming in

423
00:32:28.880 --> 00:32:30.799
stronger on the left mic than I
know it's coming from the north. And

424
00:32:30.839 --> 00:32:35.039
then I could go back to that
areas and look at the area and say,

425
00:32:35.039 --> 00:32:37.799
okay, well that makes sense.
There's a ridgeline right there. There's

426
00:32:37.960 --> 00:32:40.480
sounds coming off that ridge line.
When you are, let's say, walking

427
00:32:40.559 --> 00:32:45.839
around on an expedition out on the
woods, do you have the recorder clip

428
00:32:45.920 --> 00:32:51.680
to your backpack or you're probably not
holding it in your hands or what is

429
00:32:51.720 --> 00:32:55.240
the what's the thought with that?
So back in twenty fifteen, I had

430
00:32:55.599 --> 00:33:01.480
a couple experiences. Okay, and
that's the first place I started recording in,

431
00:33:02.240 --> 00:33:07.599
and I decided I was going to
start carrying my recorder with me various

432
00:33:07.640 --> 00:33:10.920
times carrying it. It's picking up
all my movement, my noise. So

433
00:33:12.200 --> 00:33:15.839
I took a band from one of
my head lamps and I put it on

434
00:33:15.839 --> 00:33:20.079
my head and I just put the
recorder in the band behind my hat right

435
00:33:20.079 --> 00:33:24.319
there. If you watch cets film
the recorder on my head, I use

436
00:33:24.640 --> 00:33:29.119
a different recorder. Now it's a
smaller recorder. It's actually a better recorder

437
00:33:29.119 --> 00:33:32.079
than the TASKM. But yeah,
the minute I'm out of the rig,

438
00:33:32.240 --> 00:33:36.960
there's a I call it the head
recorder. If you look at my files,

439
00:33:37.640 --> 00:33:39.839
head recorder, and then it'll have
for the date all the sound I

440
00:33:39.880 --> 00:33:44.200
captured on that date stuff I have. The minute I'm out of the rig,

441
00:33:44.599 --> 00:33:49.039
I give a timestamp and I'm rolling. I don't go in the woods

442
00:33:49.039 --> 00:33:52.920
without that recorder going. I've had
too much stuff happen in person, and

443
00:33:53.119 --> 00:33:58.240
I thankfully virtually every experience. I
haven't had a lot of experiences, but

444
00:33:58.359 --> 00:34:01.759
virtually every experience I've had, I
got it recorded. It's not just a

445
00:34:01.799 --> 00:34:07.679
story I've heard from actually multiple people
that have told me sometimes the knock will

446
00:34:07.719 --> 00:34:10.880
happen right when you come in the
woods, so you got to be ready

447
00:34:10.960 --> 00:34:14.840
right after that, you won't have
time to click it on. You better

448
00:34:14.880 --> 00:34:19.880
be ready to go. I talk
about it my last YouTube video. But

449
00:34:20.199 --> 00:34:24.679
just recently March twelfth of this year, Shane and Rebecca and I were servicing

450
00:34:24.719 --> 00:34:30.079
audio in the nest area and we
didn't hear any of it because we're talking.

451
00:34:30.119 --> 00:34:32.360
When you're talking and you're with other
people and moving. There's a lot

452
00:34:32.360 --> 00:34:37.159
of stuff you don't hear, but
the minute I step out of Shane's truck,

453
00:34:37.599 --> 00:34:42.599
there's a whoop, catching several other
whoops. And what we did here

454
00:34:42.679 --> 00:34:45.960
at the time is you want me
to tell the whole story. Let's go

455
00:34:46.000 --> 00:34:49.840
for it, man, Yeah,
totally. Some of the audio is on

456
00:34:49.920 --> 00:34:52.239
my YouTube channel too if you want
to check it out, but I'll link

457
00:34:52.280 --> 00:34:57.440
it, don't worry. Anyways,
we'd gone up there, it was about

458
00:34:57.519 --> 00:35:00.119
nine in the morning. We were
a bs and I gave a timestamp jump

459
00:35:00.199 --> 00:35:06.360
out of Shane's rig and I have
three different areas that record in the necessary

460
00:35:06.400 --> 00:35:10.400
and this is quote unquote necessary three. It's where we parked the rig is

461
00:35:10.440 --> 00:35:15.639
actually not far from where the recorder
is at, but you have to go

462
00:35:15.760 --> 00:35:20.800
about a roundabout way to get to
because of Huckleberry and there's a one trail

463
00:35:20.840 --> 00:35:22.320
that we used to get in,
so we walked around up the trail.

464
00:35:23.119 --> 00:35:29.360
I'm messing with the recorder and actually
me and Rebecca were arguing about something on

465
00:35:29.440 --> 00:35:31.599
and off, so I was irritated
with her. She was really irritated with

466
00:35:31.639 --> 00:35:36.920
me, but she was checking a
game camera and she got a Bobcat so

467
00:35:36.920 --> 00:35:39.440
she was all excited and she was
showing Shane and this and that, and

468
00:35:39.480 --> 00:35:43.239
I was mad at the recorder for
some reason, because there's always a technical

469
00:35:43.280 --> 00:35:46.079
difficulty that ticks me off when I
get out there and I'm dinking around with

470
00:35:46.159 --> 00:35:51.400
that, and Shane goes, hey, I'm going to go back instead of

471
00:35:51.480 --> 00:35:53.280
game camera and such and such location. I'm like, okay, yes,

472
00:35:53.480 --> 00:35:57.760
whatever, we'll see you back at
the truck. Well, he takes off,

473
00:35:58.559 --> 00:36:02.360
and me and Rebecca going about what
doing. And Rebecca had heard after

474
00:36:02.400 --> 00:36:08.119
he left. She'd heard some branches
break and she just assumed it was Shane

475
00:36:08.840 --> 00:36:14.119
and I didn't hear any of Shane
got done setting up his camera and he

476
00:36:14.199 --> 00:36:16.360
went back to the truck and where
he was at his truck, we're probably

477
00:36:17.159 --> 00:36:22.519
one hundred and fifty maybe two hundred
yards from where the truck is. He

478
00:36:22.559 --> 00:36:27.559
can't see us, the Huckleberry's six
to nine feet tall in that area.

479
00:36:27.639 --> 00:36:30.039
But he can hear our distant voices. He can hear me and Rebecca every

480
00:36:30.079 --> 00:36:37.239
so often gibber jabbering, and all
of a sudden he hears branches breaking and

481
00:36:37.360 --> 00:36:45.519
brush movement going towards me and Rebecca's
location. Oh Man and he calls me

482
00:36:45.599 --> 00:36:47.960
on his cell phone. I have
my phone on airplane mode because I don't

483
00:36:49.000 --> 00:36:52.719
get my phone's a piece of crap, and he's constantly looking for a signal

484
00:36:52.800 --> 00:36:54.320
up there, so I just put
it on airplane mode. Otherwise about battery's

485
00:36:54.360 --> 00:36:58.480
dead, I do, and so
he doesn't get a hold of me,

486
00:36:58.760 --> 00:37:04.679
and he's worried and it's not baar
behavior, but he's if there's a screwy

487
00:37:04.679 --> 00:37:07.639
bear going at him. And he
hears this saying getting closer to me and

488
00:37:07.679 --> 00:37:13.480
Rebecca, so he starts heading back
in the trail to meet with us.

489
00:37:13.480 --> 00:37:16.719
He actually drew his gun too.
Me and Rebecca we're on our way out

490
00:37:16.760 --> 00:37:21.400
by this time, and Rebecca had
heard there was one big crash evidently,

491
00:37:21.480 --> 00:37:25.599
and once again I did not hear
it, and I was ticked off about

492
00:37:25.599 --> 00:37:30.039
something and she had heard it and
she thought it with Shane. We get

493
00:37:30.079 --> 00:37:35.719
back and we finally we meet halfway
with Shane and he just he looks distraught,

494
00:37:35.760 --> 00:37:37.320
and I'm like, what's going on? He goes, you didn't hear

495
00:37:37.360 --> 00:37:43.079
that. I go, hear,
what is There's something going towards you guys,

496
00:37:43.239 --> 00:37:45.719
or something moving through the brush,
And man like I didn't hear anything.

497
00:37:45.840 --> 00:37:50.239
Rebecca goes, oh, that wasn't
you, and she's like, no,

498
00:37:50.320 --> 00:37:53.159
it wasn't me. So we actually
we hung out for a while and

499
00:37:53.239 --> 00:38:00.599
we didn't see or hear anything,
and I'm like, it's probably a bear

500
00:38:00.719 --> 00:38:04.320
or something. But it was coing
towards us, which that was what was

501
00:38:04.360 --> 00:38:07.719
really odd, and that was sticking
in the back of our brains because definitely

502
00:38:07.719 --> 00:38:13.320
it wasn't deer running towards us.
Whatever was running coming towards me and Rebecca

503
00:38:14.159 --> 00:38:17.320
and I have my thoughts on why. But anyways, we went about our

504
00:38:17.400 --> 00:38:22.039
day and I got back home and
I started reviewing the audio from my audio

505
00:38:22.079 --> 00:38:29.480
recorder. Thirty seconds after I step
out of Shane's rig, whoop, there's

506
00:38:29.519 --> 00:38:34.400
a whoop that we didn't ended up
recording three more whoops. I sent.

507
00:38:35.480 --> 00:38:37.400
One of them is really close.
We call it a slide whistle loop.

508
00:38:37.440 --> 00:38:42.920
It has whoop, it has a
perfect signature. It's on my YouTube channel.

509
00:38:42.960 --> 00:38:45.639
They were close to us and we
didn't even know it. And actually

510
00:38:45.679 --> 00:38:49.840
I sent the audio to Monoga Haley. He actually found another whoop that I

511
00:38:49.840 --> 00:38:54.159
didn't even see. But yeah,
so that's why I carry an audio recorder

512
00:38:54.199 --> 00:38:57.880
on my head. All the time
because I didn't even know it. We

513
00:38:57.880 --> 00:39:00.679
didn't even know what was going on. We would have never known that there

514
00:39:00.760 --> 00:39:05.679
was actual vocalizations going on as well
as the branch breaking and the percussives.

515
00:39:05.719 --> 00:39:09.559
In the last few minutes that we
have, I'm curious what to you is

516
00:39:09.599 --> 00:39:15.119
the most compelling piece of Big for
evidence The tracks? Honestly, Okay,

517
00:39:15.159 --> 00:39:20.000
the tracks, no audio. I
love audio, and a lot of the

518
00:39:20.039 --> 00:39:25.320
audio for me is yeah, it's
definitely our target subjects. But what's always

519
00:39:25.320 --> 00:39:30.599
impressed me is the tracks. The
track and the Patterson Game One film.

520
00:39:30.920 --> 00:39:34.960
I can't just pick one, dude, but I know that's true. It's

521
00:39:35.039 --> 00:39:39.480
tough to pick one, honestly.
For I was really influenced by Krantz's book

522
00:39:40.000 --> 00:39:46.840
and the track information is really what
sticks with me because that was the first

523
00:39:46.840 --> 00:39:52.159
thing that besides him showing that film. He also talked about the dermal ridges

524
00:39:52.239 --> 00:39:57.000
and the flexing in the foot.
He didn't talk about the mid tartl break

525
00:39:57.000 --> 00:40:00.400
because that was top secret back then. That came out a little bit later,

526
00:40:00.960 --> 00:40:06.440
But back then he talked of each
track from the Patterson Gimmon film.

527
00:40:06.480 --> 00:40:09.039
That's what really impressed me. I
never realized this, but there was like

528
00:40:09.400 --> 00:40:15.000
tracks to the animal they film and
there's details in those tracks there. It

529
00:40:15.119 --> 00:40:17.559
was a living foot that created those
tracks. I actually have a copy of

530
00:40:17.599 --> 00:40:24.440
two of the tracks now. But
just the fact that it wasn't a stamped

531
00:40:24.440 --> 00:40:29.559
foot, same foot every time,
That's what intrigues me. A living foot

532
00:40:29.639 --> 00:40:34.960
is creating these tracks that people are
finding. It's not a cookie cutter stamped

533
00:40:34.960 --> 00:40:40.320
foot that's being found all the time. There's living, flexible footprints being found

534
00:40:40.760 --> 00:40:49.119
that speaks volumes to the existence of
something. So you're part of the Olympic

535
00:40:49.199 --> 00:40:55.920
Project, the research group looking for
bigfoot in Washington State and the Olympic Peninsula.

536
00:40:55.960 --> 00:41:00.360
What is a way that listeners can
keep up to date best with what

537
00:41:00.519 --> 00:41:06.119
yourself and what the group is doing. And do you guys have anything cool

538
00:41:06.119 --> 00:41:09.320
going on right now the Nest area. I'm doing an audio project there.

539
00:41:09.639 --> 00:41:15.440
I'm basically I'm on my way to
recording every night for twenty twenty two.

540
00:41:15.880 --> 00:41:20.159
I got I can't remember how many
nights I got. Most of last year

541
00:41:20.199 --> 00:41:25.679
recorded, but I'm logging absolutely everything
from dusk till down. Wes Liam from

542
00:41:25.719 --> 00:41:32.880
the Squadron Metrics and him last year
we were talking and we should just do

543
00:41:32.960 --> 00:41:37.880
an analysis of all the sound made
from dust kill don so, just record

544
00:41:37.000 --> 00:41:43.559
everything and taking down all the animal
sounds, the known sounds and the unknown

545
00:41:43.599 --> 00:41:49.800
sounds. And we did that last
year and I ended up buying two high

546
00:41:49.840 --> 00:41:53.960
dollar recorders, but well worth the
money. I think that that are capable

547
00:41:54.000 --> 00:42:01.360
of recording like I'm up to.
I can record realistically about fifty five nights

548
00:42:01.599 --> 00:42:07.599
with the batteries I'm using right now. Wow. And we've usually me,

549
00:42:07.760 --> 00:42:12.039
Rebecca and Shane. We go on
in service the audio about once a month,

550
00:42:12.079 --> 00:42:16.239
because honestly, it's hard. I
have so much. Basically, I'm

551
00:42:16.280 --> 00:42:21.119
reviewing audio twenty four to seven when
I'm not at work at my day job.

552
00:42:21.239 --> 00:42:24.159
Totally just keep up with it.
And then I fill out a spreadsheet

553
00:42:24.239 --> 00:42:31.039
and then Wes does his statistical analysis
because that's what Wes does, and the

554
00:42:31.159 --> 00:42:37.559
numbers don't lie when certain things happen. We're finding some patterns and that's our

555
00:42:37.599 --> 00:42:40.920
goal is to get this whole year
recorded to compare with last year. I'll

556
00:42:40.920 --> 00:42:45.000
continue to record in there. I
don't know that i'll have it. I

557
00:42:45.000 --> 00:42:47.559
have three recorders going in there right
now. I probably won't have all three

558
00:42:47.599 --> 00:42:52.679
recorders going next year, but I'll
record in there as long as the area

559
00:42:52.000 --> 00:42:57.719
hasn't been logged and is open to
us, will continue to record in there

560
00:42:58.320 --> 00:43:02.039
and just log all the sound we
want to catch unknowns, but I'm logging

561
00:43:02.159 --> 00:43:06.679
all the known animal sounds too.
We're doing some game camera work too.

562
00:43:06.719 --> 00:43:12.199
And our policy has been to stay
out of certain areas during certain periods of

563
00:43:12.199 --> 00:43:16.480
time when we suspect the nest original
nests that we're found were built, and

564
00:43:16.519 --> 00:43:22.119
then like right now is the time
we start actually exploring. And because of

565
00:43:22.360 --> 00:43:30.440
the audio that I've had rolling,
we've confirmed that there's a higher amount of

566
00:43:30.480 --> 00:43:37.920
activity in certain areas at certain months
than there are another months. And now

567
00:43:37.440 --> 00:43:43.599
we're in the process of starting to
go explore those areas. Hopefully, fingers

568
00:43:43.639 --> 00:43:49.599
crossed we can find some newer nests
built that would be the Holy Grail or

569
00:43:50.360 --> 00:43:54.400
any kind of physical evidence we can
find. That's our goal. It's a

570
00:43:54.400 --> 00:43:59.599
hard area, though, It's everybody's
talked about. Shane's talked about, Dick's

571
00:43:59.599 --> 00:44:04.119
talked about it, yep. But
you're on your hands and knees sometimes crawling

572
00:44:04.159 --> 00:44:07.519
through it. Just it's so thick. But that's why, honestly, that's

573
00:44:07.519 --> 00:44:12.679
why they're there. There's no human
in their right mind is going through this

574
00:44:13.000 --> 00:44:16.119
area. And if you're trying to
avoid humans, you're going to go where

575
00:44:16.159 --> 00:44:22.239
humans don't go. You get that
from watching sets documentary that it is not

576
00:44:22.480 --> 00:44:27.360
easy to get to that place.
Yeah, it's where you're going where we

577
00:44:27.400 --> 00:44:30.880
took seth. We've been going in
and out of there long enough that we've

578
00:44:30.920 --> 00:44:36.960
actually created kind of a trail.
So actually where we're exploring now is thicker

579
00:44:37.000 --> 00:44:43.760
than that. Chris, in the
very very last minutes, share real quick

580
00:44:43.880 --> 00:44:47.599
the best way that people can keep
up to date with what you're doing.

581
00:44:49.280 --> 00:44:53.800
Basically, I have a YouTube channel
called Tootle River Valley. Scook Them Chris

582
00:44:53.800 --> 00:44:58.840
Spencer, There's going to be some
good resources in the show notes for this

583
00:44:58.880 --> 00:45:01.760
one. But Chris, thank you
so much for coming on here. At

584
00:45:01.760 --> 00:45:07.800
Bigfoot Society, our goal is to
provide a platform for those that have encountered

585
00:45:07.840 --> 00:45:13.400
Bigfoot to share their encounter in a
safe and respected environment. But we need

586
00:45:13.440 --> 00:45:17.000
to hear your story. If you've
experienced something that you just can't explain,

587
00:45:17.320 --> 00:45:23.880
please send me an email at Bigfoot
Society at gmail dot com. Then we

588
00:45:23.920 --> 00:45:29.239
can start the conversation. And I
know a lot of you have not shared

589
00:45:29.840 --> 00:45:35.079
your encounter at all. It's been
twenty years and it's time that you get

590
00:45:35.079 --> 00:45:37.880
this off your chest and then you
can get some well deserved for rest,

591
00:45:38.000 --> 00:45:43.360
because I know you haven't been sleeping. I understand what you're going through,

592
00:45:43.599 --> 00:45:45.679
and I appreciate every one of you
listening