June 11, 2026

DARK FOREST SASQUATCH TERRIFIES BFRO TEAM IN IOWA

DARK FOREST SASQUATCH TERRIFIES BFRO TEAM IN IOWA
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Season 1

BFRO investigator Marsha Clarke returns to Bigfoot Society with one of the most intense expedition interviews ever featured on the show.


Deep in the Iowa woods, experienced investigators begin reporting eye shine around camp, movement outside vehicles, shadow figures near tents, strange vocalizations, and encounters that leave witnesses physically shaken. One late-night incident inside Marsha’s tent forces her to re-examine years of unexplained experiences in the field.


The episode also dives into terrifying encounters from South Carolina and Eastern Tennessee involving thermal footage, bluff charges, multiple entities surrounding investigators, and possible infrasound events witnessed by BFRO expedition members.


These are detailed field reports from people who spend their lives searching remote forests for answers.

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You're listening to Big for Society and I'm Jeremiah Byron.

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In this show, we go beyond the campfire stories to

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bring you first hand encounters from people who say they've

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seen something impossible. From backwoods trails and remote mountain haulers

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to quiet farms and crowded highways. The stories come from everywhere,

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and each one leaves us with more questions than answers.

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These are the voices of the people who've lived it.

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To settle in, because today you'll hear another account that

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just might change the way you see the woods forever.

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So stay with us, all right, Big for Society. We've

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got the privilege of talking to Marcia Marcia Clark Big

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Marsha Clark BFRO investigator again today. Marsha has been on

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the show a few times and we were wanting to

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get an update from Marsha about some expeditions that marsh

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has been on recently and it's gonna be a fun shot.

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So welcome back to the show. Marsha. How are you

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doing well?

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Thank you. It's awesome to be here with you and

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share some of what's happening out there on the trails

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and they, you know, except for locations be happy to

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share what we've been seeing out there.

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Absolutely, so we can. I think usually what happens is

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is like states are okay sometimes, but we're not going

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to do general locations because sometimes it's a personal private property,

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sometimes it's in research activity zone, just to keep everyone safe,

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which is totally understandable, right.

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So exactly a couple of these locations were being actively

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researched with monitoring the equipment, et cetera. So we don't

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want to have unnecessary folks running around in the woods

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out there.

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Yeah. Absolutely. We don't want to cross the stream and

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across the streams and muddy the waters. We don't want

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to do that. So you've got a few things you're

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you're talking to me that you've been to some interesting

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areas over since the last time we talked to you.

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You were saying, should we go in order of chronological

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since last time we talked or what do you think

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would be best?

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Marshall, Well, I think the three of the most interesting

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is going to be South Carolina. It would be Iowa

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and uh in Tennessee. I'm the co coordinator for the

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two expeditions in South Carolina along with my two field

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partners and I can mention your name because that's published

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to the public on the website and it's Rick Rellis

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and Steve Lamb. I feel very privileged to have those

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who to be out in the field of those two guys,

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and they have so much experience and the wealth of knowledge.

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Uh we make we make a good team, and that's

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what really improves the quality of the expeditions we do.

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Is South and North Carolina. I guess well, I'll just

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start in South Carolina. The location of South Carolina Gosha.

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I've been researching it for almost four years. I follow

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a slightly different pattern when when I'm looking for areas

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for expeditions, and that's kind of unique. But I interview

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all kinds of people, first, representatives from D and R,

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vent marian offices, sheriffs department, insurance investigators, even people who

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are dog groomers, mobile dog groomers, and so I can

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just collect information from a wealth of different resources. But

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I found a location that just incredible. Is probably one

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of the most squatchiest places I've been in. Even during

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the day, you need a flashlight it's so dark in there.

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And the first time I camped there, instead of driving

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through and going through it during the day. First time

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I camped there, I had double encounters. I camp there

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on a standard tamp site that anyone can rent, and

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I happened to be in this area by myself, so

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I put up my tent. I didn't put the rain

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fly on it, which was later a pretty scary thing

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to do. During the day, I had multiple stick brakes,

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branch breaks around me, being paralleled a few times going

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up and down the trails. When I look in the

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area the research, I go up and down every trail

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I can find. Before I ever take any attendee out there,

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I've been and that's what I do. So anyhow, my

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first my first full night there, I set up camp

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and by myself, I'm the only human being in the

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campsite in the campground, which was sort of how I

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prefer it. And so it got to be about old

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sunset ish and I make a fire. One of the

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little things I do I sprink. I sprinkle the most cheapest,

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smelliest bacon bess I can on a fire. It just

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you know, attracts a lot of different printers when you

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do that. And so it took till about nine o'clock

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nine thirty. Also had eye shine, not just eye shine,

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but pretty high up. And I'm looking down a slope

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and it's leveled with me, and all of a sudden

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movement to my right and there's another set of eyeshine,

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this time a little bit more amber than white, at

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about old sixty seventy five feet, And I tell myself,

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you know, hot dog, this looks like it's gonna be

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interesting night. So I wait till about eleven o'clock the

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fire die down. And when I set up my tent,

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and I didn't put the rain fly on it, so

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it's a an eight by sixteen tent. I had my

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own little office in there, et cetera. People have listened

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to the podcasts. No, I have a little l shaped

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thing for my laptop and equipment whatnot. And so I

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go to bed. I'm laying on my cot and I'm

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just looking up at the star shoe, the mosquito netting,

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that the mesh and going home. It took till about

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one o'clock, and sure enough I hear crunch, crunch, crunch

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sound coming up the slope behind me. And the first

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I hear the footsteps to my right. They're a little

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bit lighter. The timing between the strides is a little

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bit short. Okay, that's good. Also that I hear something,

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it's like it appeared almost instantly right behind the tent.

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I can hear the heavy breathing, the panting. The steps

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are much heavier, and the timing between in the stride

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is much longer. And so now there's two. There's one

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to the north end of my tent, away from my cot,

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one right behind me in my cop some typical idea,

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I hang a lantern up on the shepherd's hook that

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or service puts out and the top of that shepherd's

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hook is seven and a half feet and I'll put

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a lantern on there. And so I'm laying in my cotton.

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I can hear the breathing. I can hear it for

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what STEP's coming up. But the ones are closest to

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me are the heavier of the two. Sun on our periphial,

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I see this large dark silhouette just walk by corner

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of my tent, walk between the lantern and my tent,

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and I can see the side profile, the head, the shoulders,

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part of an arm as it goes by. And at

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this point I'm trying. I'm doing everything I can to

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control my breathing, I'm trying to not make a sound.

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I'm trying not to I guess the coat field and

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not freak out. And so even though I can see

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that figure walk by me and walk between me and

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the lantern, the lighter of the two to the right

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never really came into my field division, but I hear

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it moving around. I normally have solar panels out and

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the cables go through the little cord port that's on

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the side of the tent. But when I go to

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bed night down plug it from the solar generator and

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lo and behold, watch picked the cables and the cables

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got yanked about three feet before all of a sudden

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that stopped must have realized I had the cords in

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his feet or whatnot. The lighter one that was on

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the north end, it seemed to fade away and walk

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away after about a minute and a half, which are

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pretty typical when I've had dissipations, they last no more

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to men or two. However, this time, the heavier one

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that I seen walk five in the speeding lettie, he

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stayed around for a good fifteen minutes. They walked between

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me and the lantern, walked back around the pipe tick table,

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the car went over to a corral that had metal railing,

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shook it, walked back over. He seemed to or he

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or she just seemed to pause by my car, and

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every couple minutes your fear, it moved to get a

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little close to a little further away. After solid fifteen minutes,

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it left, walking down the same trail that goes to

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the next campsite as the lighter one went to. I

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waited a good five minutes before I exhaled, and I

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had to sit up on my cock, just like, wow,

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you have a you have occasions that have interaction at night,

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and how often do you say, well, I'm unzipped a

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tent and look. I never do. This time it sort

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of forced me to look, And so I just sat

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in the middle of tent, in my in my chair,

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just trying to control my breathing. Oh my god, and

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get my notebook and start write everything down while it

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was still fresh in my mind. About three o'clock is

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by the time I calmed down and I laid back

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down my cock and went back to sleep. About five o'clock.

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Five after five, all of a sudden, the corner of

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the tent wiggled. Either a guide rope was hit or

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a stake was hit, but it sounded like the lighter

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of the two steps that were there previously came back.

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It stayed around, went through on the other side of

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the lantern, so I couldn't see its shape or its shadow,

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but I heard it moving in the leaf in the

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ground clutter, and it walked by, went out towards the road.

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I could hear it on the gravel and it left.

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At that point, I just stayed away till sunrise. I

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couldn't go back to sleep. That was my first night

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staying there by myself, my first camping there at that

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research site, and I told myself, hot dog, this is

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where I'm in beef in the next couple of years

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research in this place. That was that encounter happened gosh,

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just twenty twenty six, twenty twenty four, somewhere twenty twenty four.

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So did you say it shook a corral?

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Yeah, there's some of the spots have force corrals, some

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of them with metal piping, and I could hear the

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metal piping being vigorously, and that coral would have been

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about oh, fifty sixty feet away from my tent. In

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the shade.

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Yeah, gontcha.

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And so.

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This was just a personal just a personal expedition then.

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Yeah, what it is we call it a reconnaissance. I'm

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always do on the prowl for good sites to take

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groups of people too. I would got I don't want to,

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you know, take a group of people out to the

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site and have gosh, you know, get it done. I

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mean it happens, you know, spotch do you figure is

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habitating there? And actually they're not, and all of a sudden,

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whom there, They've left the area. So I'm always going

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to look out for potential habitation spots. And I looked

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into this one that hitted demographic and a statistical pattern

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I was looking for, and sure enough I hit it.

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And so that first time I stayed there, and that

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told that just convinced me. After that, I stayed there

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three more times by myself at night, and uh, each

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time having strong encounters like that coming into camp yelling,

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I mean, staying right next to your paint and scream

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bloody murder like some woman being assaulted. That It's just incredible.

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I feel it's a situation where Squatch is not aware

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that we are as humans are aware of them, and

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so they seem to be a little boulder, a little

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more brazen. The second time that was there again, I'm

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making sure i'm there by myself. There's you know, rangers,

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there's no maintenance staff, nothing, And I go use the restroom.

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And while i'm in there, about no one hundred feet

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for me is an animal proof trash receptacle has got

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the heavy metal lids to it. Now why I'm using

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the facility? The lid gets opened and slammed five times,

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the bam bam bam, bam bam and a whole craft.

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What is it? You know?

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Do I have a almost person messing with me? Or

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it's you know, the ranger getting a spider off the

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lid that I didn't figure on what's going on? And

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I come out in the restroom, I'm looking. I walk

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over to the trash spectacle and there's loose sugar sand,

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but obviously there's some impressions there and those impressions are

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a good four and a half five inches longer than

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my feet. Okay, that's again encouraging daytime activity. That's awesome.

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And so with all that data, I kept tabs on

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the location, kept tabs of when people came and went there,

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and so I organized and got permission from that moneymaker

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to run an expedition there, and Rick Rellis and my

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other field partner, Steve Lamb came out. We did all

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the mapping et cetera of permits, all those necessary administrative

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things you have to do, arrange for EMT and whatnot,

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and a cook the cooked meals, and we finally got

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the expansion up of the ground that was last That

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was last November when that first South Carolinas pedition and

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that location occurred and and didn't disappoint. We had encounters

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by the attendees. Uh, someone was wapped. We get talked

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about that a little bit later. We even had one

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area of this this location that has the area supposedly

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haunted and uh and without fail, we had two BFR

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people spot a white apparition, which was kind of odd.

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Usually when you hear there's a woman in white, my

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mind goes to perhaps it's the now vinyal squatch with

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long hair or something of that nature. But long a

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home it was spotted. We had a team get pinned down.

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We figure by no more than or no less than

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six squats at once, throwing projectiles and yelling from different

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angles in different directions that when you listen to the

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recording you can sit back and go, well, there had

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to have been one here. There had to have been

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one there to do that. They hadn't been one over here.

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And there were six, a minimum of six that basically

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surrounded them for a good twenty minutes, throwing things, throwing

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things at a building, knocking, stopping their feet, etc. So

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that was pretty exciting. So at the same time that

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was occurring with another team about five miles away as

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the crow flies with another team thermal video one perhaps

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two squashed inside the bush at about forty fifty feet away,

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playing peekaboo, believing they weren't seen, squashed believing they weren't

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being seen, but were able to record video wise something

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a white hot spot moving back and forth in the

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bushers and the shrubbery every once a while, looking around

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the tree at us. So that was that was pretty exciting.

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So that was the first expedition of South Carolina.

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That's that's wild, my goodness. So you said there was

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a white apparition. Was that something they saw then with

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their eyes in the daytime or was that through a

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thermal or.

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No, that was with her with an eye, no electronical

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devices being used. They were at a spot looking down

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a road and at about they figured at seventy yards.

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That was used a laser rangefinder. A white apparition across

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me three and a half four feet wide, about seven

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foot tall, just slowly went across the road. It was

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spotted by three different people. We went back there during

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the daylight to do a reenactment and look for physical data,

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physical evidence. It's gone a few broken tree branches, but

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that was all. This apparition was opaque. There was no wind,

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no moon, so that was kind of interesting. So you

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make note of it, you know. Like I mentioned before

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I marched. I have a notebook for crazy crap I

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can't explain, and this goes in that notebook. And so

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now I do know that myself before taking people up there.

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There's part of the camp ground that's been closed due

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to lack of usage. And I did a quick cowboy

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camp up there one night, and I was supposed to

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camp in the air, but no one saw me. So

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I just parked us side of the road and marched

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in there, put my air mattress on the ground and

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let's leave it back and within two hours, I saw

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a potential white apparition. It was opaque that was about

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fifteen feet away, but it was only about four or

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four and a half feet tall, maybe a couple of wide.

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I saw that. I was on the phone texting back

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and forth to Rick, say Rick that this place is

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not here and all kinds of noises out here. You know,

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this will be the first time I'm not getting scared

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out of a location. And then all of a sudden,

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I see an apparition and I just like, whoa, whoa,

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I the you know, better part of valor. I just

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packed my craft and went back to my car, and

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then I'm not there to mess with something like that.

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I focus on one, one thing at a time. So

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that wasn't it.

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Yeah, absolutely that that would be tricky if you when

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to know when to move out, And I think, you know,

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you gotta. I think that's good that you're like, well,

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I'm focused trying to be focused here on the big

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foot side of things.

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Yeah exactly. And I know the rumor out there BFRL

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is anti WOU and everything like that. But yeah, to

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tell you, I don't find that when you talk. The

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other coordinators are my friends and We don't disca that stuff.

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We make note of it, we recorded, we put it down,

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but our focus was bigfoot, and if other things occurred

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during an expedition, well obviously we're going to address it.

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But at the same time, our folk, this is big foot,

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and you know, and the safety of the attendees that

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that's the two main important things right there.

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So it sounds like someone in the expedition got really

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good footage of of what looks for me a few bigfoot,

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you said, peeking around around a tree or doing something

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similar to like that.

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One of my good friends, she comes up out of

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Florida to be one of my team leaders, and she

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set up her thermal and so that it would throw

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its image to a tablet, and we had to contact.

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We're whistling back and forth. We're having exchanges of whistling

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and rock clacks. We do two clacks, and we get

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two clacks back. We do one, we get one back,

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we do a whistle, we get too whistled back. And

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that went on for a good fifteen and U this

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contact of back and forth, and then all of a

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sudden I told the team lead, the team leader that

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I brought up there, said, well, you know what, get

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your equipment ready, we'll see if we get anything on video.

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And sure enough we lined up thermal and we just

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happen to catch it on the tablet and saw where

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it was coming from and that that was really awesome.

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That was really awesome.

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Oh my goodness. You may not be able to answer this,

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but the organization, let's say this could be any big

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for the organization too. You get this evidence, and I

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mean I've talked to not just b f Row, I've

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talked to people from the n A W a C.

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And you hear like, we've got this really good evidence.

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But it's then it's like like what is is there

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ever you know, a a plan to do anything with

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that or or like you know, you have the great evidence,

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but then.

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Like yes and yeah, yes, you know you got to

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imagine in today's world electronically, if I start posting pictures

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and video, those things have geotags genuinely associated with them.

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I don't want to give up the location.

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Yeah, I mean you can strip them. It's it's a

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little hard, but you can.

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Then the other it's sort of like you know people

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that they want to they want the milk, but they

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don't want to buy or feed the cow. You know,

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you know, Uh, we do share the information. We have

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a private Facebook group page for each expedition, and all

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the data collected is put on that Facebook page for

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everyone whom attended and signed a non disclosure agreement. Uh,

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it's put on there and published there for them because

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they they were part of that expedition. They were part

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of that research, and so that is shared now if

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they want to break off their phone and say, hey,

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look that, or look to their spouse or whatever or

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their friend and go look what we saw on our expedition.

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I can't tell you where, but see, well they're sharing

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it out there. I have to assume. But they go

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out there and do all the work and all of

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a sudden, oh yeah, we'll just share it with the

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whole world. Well that's sort of it's the purpose of

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having an expedition where we're trying to protect this this

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coming in. I don't want to bring in a thousand

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people into its habitat and chase it out. I don't

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want to do that.

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No, I get it. I definitely get it, and I

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can you know. I've been on I went on an

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Iowa bf Our expedition last year last September of twenty five.

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And yeah, everything you said is completely accurate with the

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you had. There's a private Facebook or private group and

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and yeah, I mean every everyone shares, and so you

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get to see a lot of really cool stuff and

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just the people that you meet. There are a lot

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of people I met that had been trying to meet

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for years and I can never meet them. And that

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was the way that I was able to meet them.

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And it was very very close worth it.

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Yes, for that exactly. Now, Subsequently that was the fall

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South Carolina. Uh So, because the activity was so strong there,

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I took a group back in the spring in the

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middle of March. Uh Typically I would like to rotate

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it between locations, so you know, overburdened habitation site. But again,

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it just seems like squats is not aware that we

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are aware of them. So I like to keep it

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that way. And well, the whole go back out there

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in February, I'm sorry, middle of March, and the same

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the same thing we got, we got people zapped, We've

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got uh squatch following people back to base camp, things

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being thrown at us, screened, that, et cetera. So and

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in fact, the behavior is such that when I set

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up the assignments for camping, I put all the standard

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attendees and newbies in the middle and now put all

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my bf R RO and team leaders on out of periphery,

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because I know Squatch is coming into camp at night.

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I just don't want, you know, some newbie who's never

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been around the squatch before being exposed to something that

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dramatic all of a sudden, and so uh this time, yeah,

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you know, on the expedition when I'm there, I'm the

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chief cook and bottle walker, so this and I happened

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to do all the cooking and so that, you know,

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it goes with the job. But again, it was a

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great expedition. We had all kinds of encounters footsteps, I

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jokingly say, yeah, we had cast living with dogs, dogs

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living with cats, and it was just incredible. Everything that

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was taken out taking place out there. Let's see that

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was Yeah.

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Sorry, you mentioned that some some attendees experienced, uh what's

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called being zapped or hit with infrasound. Could you share

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one of those experiences please?

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Yeah, Uh, have a have a team out there, and

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what I was setting up was, uh, basically a way

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to envelop squat I put out three teams, one coming

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from the north, one from the south, and one from

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the west, and then I have a group that's out

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the west put on white lights and player radio talking

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normal tones, but the two teams on the north and

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south or stealth. And the trick is is we try

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to get squatch e gauge in a tree knock or

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a moop with us, and then let them focus on

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the group that's got the white lights in the music,

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et cetera, and then the team that's north and south

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sort of sneaking behind them, and what that does is

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that flushes them out. So one of those three groups

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to get a Class A minimum B plus. So at

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least that's the plan. It only works for me about

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twenty cents at the time, but I try it each time,

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and so this particular time, one of the groups in

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the north came in. We were in an exchange situation

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with a squatch maybe two. We do a tree knock,

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the tree nick back in a loop, get a loop

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back and this very encouraging. So we start moving people in,

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directing them by radio, and all of a sudden that

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team leader is walking very quietly and also on boom

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like hitting a brick wall, just instantly having a reaction,

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and he backs up a couple of feet, all the

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muscles in his body tightened up, headache for prese sweating,

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et cetera. And then someone else walks up to and say,

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oh my god, are you okay? And also it hits

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them just a throng, and they're like, well, and this

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is the tendee not to be fro staff and they're like, wow,

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what's happening to me? I'm kind of scared, and okay,

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back up, back up, team leader, figure out what's happening.

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We got to back up. We gotta get out of

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here and get the team, you know, safety. And so

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they're backing up, they're packing up chairs, throwing stuff in trucks,

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they're going to pull out. And then that same team

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leader for the one double techive he walks back out

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to that same spot and sure enough, boom, it's aft again,

462
00:31:15.880 --> 00:31:20.200
this time even heavy harbork. And he goes down to

463
00:31:20.440 --> 00:31:25.039
me and it's like, oh my god, he's coming back,

464
00:31:25.200 --> 00:31:30.759
and he's white knuckling the drive back to base camp totally.

465
00:31:30.839 --> 00:31:33.000
If you can see he's in chalk, you see that.

466
00:31:35.079 --> 00:31:37.920
But the important thing is the attendees, the other staff,

467
00:31:38.519 --> 00:31:43.680
they're back. Everyone's cool, everyone's safe. Now what's important to

468
00:31:43.839 --> 00:31:48.480
know is that, Okay, later that night, about one o'clock

469
00:31:48.519 --> 00:31:51.640
in the morning, that that attendee that went to go

470
00:31:51.839 --> 00:31:56.279
check on him, she's in shock as well. If she's

471
00:31:56.400 --> 00:31:59.319
camped next to base camp and all of a sudden

472
00:32:00.240 --> 00:32:04.839
she calls on her cell phone over to my other partner,

473
00:32:04.920 --> 00:32:08.640
Steve Lamb and says, hey, I got followed back to

474
00:32:08.759 --> 00:32:12.359
my tent. There's something walking around in my tent. And

475
00:32:12.480 --> 00:32:16.160
so she's scared all the heck inside her tent and

476
00:32:16.200 --> 00:32:20.440
there's something walking around by her tent. So we sent

477
00:32:20.599 --> 00:32:23.759
three people over there with high intensity white lights, et cetera,

478
00:32:23.799 --> 00:32:26.359
et cetera. We go over there and they spot a

479
00:32:26.480 --> 00:32:32.119
dark silhouette running away from her tent. So that's pretty

480
00:32:33.319 --> 00:32:35.759
that's pretty interesting since they were about three and a

481
00:32:35.799 --> 00:32:42.519
half miles away when they experienced that zapping incident, and

482
00:32:42.680 --> 00:32:44.759
then they came back to camp and they knew right

483
00:32:44.839 --> 00:32:49.480
where to go. They went to her tent. So I

484
00:32:49.599 --> 00:32:55.559
thought that's a very very interesting behavior that I'm still

485
00:32:56.880 --> 00:33:04.079
making very special notes of. Yeah, with the physicality of

486
00:33:04.160 --> 00:33:12.759
her response and the the shaking, uh inventory involuntary muscle

487
00:33:13.359 --> 00:33:17.559
contractions in their legs, et cetera. That was really really interesting.

488
00:33:18.200 --> 00:33:21.400
That's some scary stuff. Did anyone have like a tryfield

489
00:33:21.480 --> 00:33:23.440
meter on them? Uh?

490
00:33:23.960 --> 00:33:26.960
Not in that group. Typically I have E M F

491
00:33:27.559 --> 00:33:31.400
E M R, a signal generator with a Wi fi

492
00:33:32.039 --> 00:33:37.400
UH speaker and a carrious spectrum analyzer for sound, along

493
00:33:37.519 --> 00:33:42.160
with a pulsar thermal UH in night vision. I carry

494
00:33:42.160 --> 00:33:45.000
all that in the backpack. So when you got the

495
00:33:45.079 --> 00:33:46.559
field with Marsha, I.

496
00:33:46.680 --> 00:33:49.799
Go out with a ton of equipment, right exactly.

497
00:33:50.319 --> 00:33:56.640
But they didn't have one there. Now, that same team

498
00:33:57.440 --> 00:33:59.839
went out the next night at a different location and

499
00:34:00.119 --> 00:34:04.720
had someone with that and something called the spirit box.

500
00:34:05.279 --> 00:34:09.920
I don't play with that type of equipment. So but

501
00:34:10.079 --> 00:34:13.559
they had activity using all that as well.

502
00:34:14.599 --> 00:34:17.039
Oh, they were getting like weird responses.

503
00:34:16.519 --> 00:34:22.800
With oh yeah, yeah, the spirit box identified the pretty

504
00:34:22.920 --> 00:34:26.320
girl with the with the navy She had a nautical

505
00:34:26.440 --> 00:34:30.639
hat on, carrying a load of backpack, saying get out.

506
00:34:31.760 --> 00:34:36.800
It's it's spoke names of people who were still researching.

507
00:34:36.880 --> 00:34:39.039
If there's a history there of these three people that

508
00:34:39.119 --> 00:34:45.360
were named, uh, they're EMF meters uh pegged three different locations.

509
00:34:45.400 --> 00:34:47.320
They back up they go to zero, they go back

510
00:34:47.360 --> 00:34:51.519
to the location they peg. So that was and yeah,

511
00:34:51.559 --> 00:34:53.880
you put it in a notebook. This is crazy stuff. March.

512
00:34:53.960 --> 00:34:57.599
I can't explain exactly, not part of it, that part

513
00:34:57.639 --> 00:34:57.800
of it.

514
00:34:58.400 --> 00:35:02.800
My goodness. Are you going to continue to keep that

515
00:35:02.920 --> 00:35:05.800
spot as a as a future research area?

516
00:35:05.880 --> 00:35:06.039
Yeah?

517
00:35:06.079 --> 00:35:06.280
I have.

518
00:35:06.840 --> 00:35:10.679
I have four locations that I intentally research and I

519
00:35:10.800 --> 00:35:15.519
have LDR's long duration recorders out there. I have uh

520
00:35:16.039 --> 00:35:18.840
game cams and areas that I don't want squats to

521
00:35:18.920 --> 00:35:20.880
go to, so I want them to stay a certain areas,

522
00:35:20.960 --> 00:35:24.480
so I use them as a deterrent. Even though there's

523
00:35:24.480 --> 00:35:27.039
no batteries of just a red light, that actually is

524
00:35:27.119 --> 00:35:32.760
the deterrent. And so the goal between Rick and myself

525
00:35:32.840 --> 00:35:36.760
and Steve is a rotate expeditions between these four sites

526
00:35:37.320 --> 00:35:40.119
so we don't overburden them, have them get accustomed to

527
00:35:40.280 --> 00:35:43.400
us that kind of thing as well. That's what we're active.

528
00:35:43.440 --> 00:35:50.480
We're doing. That's South Carolina, Tennessee. Oh oh my gosh,

529
00:35:52.760 --> 00:35:58.519
oh boy, uh Tennessee. The coordinator there is Lori Wade Fees,

530
00:35:58.599 --> 00:36:03.519
the Queen. He runs a great expedition. In fact, i'd

531
00:36:03.559 --> 00:36:06.239
say three quarters of things I do on our expeditions.

532
00:36:06.599 --> 00:36:10.599
I learned from her that she's the queen hands down.

533
00:36:10.760 --> 00:36:15.679
Everyone loves her. I do as well, and doing long

534
00:36:15.719 --> 00:36:19.079
story short, one of her teams goes out like on

535
00:36:19.199 --> 00:36:25.679
a on a Thursday night and their team is hiking

536
00:36:25.800 --> 00:36:27.639
up see the hills and these foot hills one night

537
00:36:27.679 --> 00:36:31.840
Eastern Tennessee and they have an encounter with what they

538
00:36:31.960 --> 00:36:36.320
believe is five six, seven different squash that seemed to

539
00:36:36.360 --> 00:36:39.920
be set up in different positions. They have the eye shine,

540
00:36:40.039 --> 00:36:45.400
the rock throws everything silhouettes, and it got so hectic

541
00:36:45.480 --> 00:36:49.440
for them that they pulled back. I have the notes

542
00:36:49.679 --> 00:36:54.480
from our debrief in the morning. I don't remember a

543
00:36:54.639 --> 00:36:58.239
lot of their activity other than it was just incredible

544
00:36:58.480 --> 00:37:01.599
that for over an hour they had an encounter with

545
00:37:01.760 --> 00:37:07.559
that many squats at one time. That was just incredible. Now,

546
00:37:08.320 --> 00:37:10.920
the part that I do know the exact detail, is

547
00:37:11.039 --> 00:37:14.559
when my team went out and we had our encounter

548
00:37:14.679 --> 00:37:19.960
on two different nines. So I'm the team leader. I

549
00:37:20.159 --> 00:37:23.480
was with team four, I believe, and I take out

550
00:37:23.519 --> 00:37:28.559
my team and my team is three people that I

551
00:37:28.679 --> 00:37:34.480
know quite well, Rick rellis Greg and another guy and

552
00:37:36.239 --> 00:37:38.199
they're all on the truck and they're getting their gear

553
00:37:38.239 --> 00:37:40.159
together and me. I'm the first one out the truck

554
00:37:41.079 --> 00:37:44.159
because one I'm listening to see if something's running away

555
00:37:44.239 --> 00:37:47.000
when we get there, and two I'm trying to start

556
00:37:47.039 --> 00:37:50.880
a recording just as we opened the door. And so

557
00:37:51.760 --> 00:37:54.480
I've got this big backpack with about thirty pounds of gear.

558
00:37:54.840 --> 00:37:57.639
I said extra water first, ay, tits chairs. We name

559
00:37:57.679 --> 00:38:01.599
it right. So I leave the pickup and they're all

560
00:38:01.639 --> 00:38:04.360
putting the GEARA and I leave the truck and walk

561
00:38:04.519 --> 00:38:07.360
down the hill a little bit and the trail has

562
00:38:07.360 --> 00:38:10.480
a lot of tree roots across it and then curves

563
00:38:10.559 --> 00:38:14.679
to the left behind a big old display of Mountain Laurel,

564
00:38:14.719 --> 00:38:17.320
a couple of big pine trees. Then it curves back

565
00:38:17.400 --> 00:38:20.400
around to the right and there's a concrete picnic table.

566
00:38:21.320 --> 00:38:24.679
My goal is get to the picnic table and everything orientated,

567
00:38:24.760 --> 00:38:27.679
figure out what north south east west is, and figure

568
00:38:27.679 --> 00:38:30.039
out what my approach is going to be. So I'm

569
00:38:30.079 --> 00:38:33.679
not paying attention, and I just walk down the little slope.

570
00:38:33.760 --> 00:38:37.119
I'm trying to avoid the tree roots, and I'm supposed

571
00:38:37.159 --> 00:38:39.679
to walk to the left behind the Mountain Laurel, come

572
00:38:39.719 --> 00:38:45.960
to the right. I did that. I heard something move.

573
00:38:47.960 --> 00:38:52.039
I look about halfway up and I'm looking at the

574
00:38:52.199 --> 00:38:54.960
forearm or the by step of the squatchet about eight

575
00:38:55.039 --> 00:38:58.559
to ten feet. I need to take the time to

576
00:38:58.639 --> 00:39:03.639
take another step. It and me both turned away and

577
00:39:03.719 --> 00:39:11.440
started running from one another. I run. I see the shoulder,

578
00:39:12.039 --> 00:39:15.079
the back of the head, the buttocks, the casts, the

579
00:39:15.159 --> 00:39:19.119
bottom of the feet. Him running away. I'm running back

580
00:39:19.119 --> 00:39:22.559
towards the truck. Two of the people in the truck

581
00:39:23.400 --> 00:39:27.280
see me running towards them. They dropped the gear jump

582
00:39:27.360 --> 00:39:33.039
in the truck. Their thought is, if marsh is running,

583
00:39:33.760 --> 00:39:38.519
maybe we should And so I'm usually not that rattled.

584
00:39:40.119 --> 00:39:44.199
I've had other sightings before, but never that close. I've

585
00:39:44.280 --> 00:39:50.519
never accidentally almost walked into one like that. And my

586
00:39:50.719 --> 00:39:53.440
heart just I've got two spins in my heart and

587
00:39:53.480 --> 00:39:58.079
i don't need to pressure it like that anymore. But yeah,

588
00:39:58.639 --> 00:40:01.119
it took them about the ten eighteen minutes to calm

589
00:40:01.199 --> 00:40:06.079
me down. And I'm pointing over there, pointing over there,

590
00:40:06.280 --> 00:40:09.679
and I'm like speechless. I almost walked into it. And

591
00:40:10.840 --> 00:40:14.079
they one of the guys they heard something thump, thump, thump,

592
00:40:14.400 --> 00:40:17.159
run away to see a fire ring with rocks that

593
00:40:17.280 --> 00:40:20.400
have been kicked up, the partial footprint, et cetera. Soa

594
00:40:21.000 --> 00:40:26.480
the physicality of the evidence is there. So after about

595
00:40:26.519 --> 00:40:30.239
a half hour, we go and we finally slowly walk

596
00:40:30.320 --> 00:40:35.519
over to that concrete picnic table and we started satting up.

597
00:40:35.599 --> 00:40:39.000
I get people orientated. I like to get sewing. I

598
00:40:39.079 --> 00:40:42.239
like everyone in the group to sit where the note

599
00:40:42.320 --> 00:40:46.679
taker is facing north. So when when everything's pitch black

600
00:40:46.719 --> 00:40:48.519
and you say did I hear that? Or did you

601
00:40:48.599 --> 00:40:51.760
hear that? You don't have to play forty questions like

602
00:40:51.880 --> 00:40:55.320
where did you hear it? Where is it at? I

603
00:40:55.480 --> 00:40:58.840
can't see you pointing, so you're gonna have to use

604
00:40:58.880 --> 00:41:01.360
your grown up fornacular. I heard something to the north

605
00:41:01.480 --> 00:41:04.800
about fifty yards, I heard something to the south ten

606
00:41:04.880 --> 00:41:09.159
feet away. Whatever. But that's just part of my m O.

607
00:41:09.639 --> 00:41:11.639
And the other part of my m is like to

608
00:41:11.760 --> 00:41:14.199
set up a little spot to sit. Then I send

609
00:41:14.280 --> 00:41:17.559
out walkers to come back and forth. Maybe we get

610
00:41:17.599 --> 00:41:21.320
something to follow us back, maybe you know whatever. And

611
00:41:21.480 --> 00:41:25.039
so we set up and we're just gosh, we weren't

612
00:41:25.079 --> 00:41:30.199
there much more than about two hours now, it's about

613
00:41:32.239 --> 00:41:36.760
it's about quarter of eleven, and all of a sudden,

614
00:41:37.559 --> 00:41:42.440
here's something move where where we're sitting at as the

615
00:41:43.119 --> 00:41:46.840
funked area of concrete picnic tables, and there's a dry

616
00:41:47.079 --> 00:41:54.000
wash bed to a north and because the drought, you know,

617
00:41:54.159 --> 00:41:57.360
if there's slates and sandstones whatnot in the base of it,

618
00:41:57.760 --> 00:42:03.519
there's no water. And the total depth from the top

619
00:42:03.599 --> 00:42:06.559
of the bank to the bottom of what would have

620
00:42:06.639 --> 00:42:09.719
been a creak, it's about ten feet down and it's

621
00:42:09.719 --> 00:42:13.639
about thirty feet across this drywash. On the other side

622
00:42:13.639 --> 00:42:17.639
of the drywash is more Mountain Laurel, big heavy bushes,

623
00:42:18.360 --> 00:42:21.400
huge pine trees in there. And all of a sudden,

624
00:42:23.079 --> 00:42:28.320
one of my field nates, Rick Ke, spots eyeshine. He

625
00:42:28.440 --> 00:42:32.280
sees white eyeshine. All a sudden, we see another set

626
00:42:32.320 --> 00:42:38.599
of eyes red. Then we see us at another set

627
00:42:38.639 --> 00:42:43.199
of white. Now there's three sets of eyeshine staring at

628
00:42:43.320 --> 00:42:46.800
us from the other side of the drywash in the

629
00:42:46.920 --> 00:42:50.639
sharp ring, and they're like, oh wow, this is awesome.

630
00:42:50.679 --> 00:42:54.360
It's awesome. So they're videotaping and trying to videotape and everything,

631
00:42:54.440 --> 00:43:00.719
and we hear movement to our right about one hundred

632
00:43:00.719 --> 00:43:04.920
and fifty feet out towards the truck. There's something moving

633
00:43:05.000 --> 00:43:08.599
over there. We hear what sounds like a young girl,

634
00:43:09.480 --> 00:43:13.239
you know, talking or giggling out to our left by

635
00:43:13.239 --> 00:43:17.360
another one hundred feet. And so at this point I

636
00:43:17.519 --> 00:43:20.920
leave the circle and I moved about twenty feet behind them,

637
00:43:21.360 --> 00:43:23.880
so they're in front of me. Because my thought is

638
00:43:23.960 --> 00:43:25.960
we're going to be surrounded and I want to be

639
00:43:26.000 --> 00:43:30.119
able to watch our flanks and watch behind us, and

640
00:43:31.639 --> 00:43:37.000
so I have the high powered white strobe, I have

641
00:43:37.159 --> 00:43:40.000
the air hole, and I have all that, and so

642
00:43:40.480 --> 00:43:43.639
I'm let them go through during counter. That's what they're

643
00:43:43.679 --> 00:43:48.360
there for. And all of a sudden they see amber

644
00:43:48.480 --> 00:43:51.760
eye shine, they see another set of white and ended

645
00:43:51.840 --> 00:43:54.679
up within a half hour six different sets of eye

646
00:43:54.719 --> 00:43:58.800
shining on the other side doesn't wash and just looking

647
00:43:58.880 --> 00:44:02.159
back at us, and then Rick comments, this is the

648
00:44:02.280 --> 00:44:04.920
brightest eye shine I've ever seen. Brighter than he saw

649
00:44:05.840 --> 00:44:08.039
I think an interview with you I told you about

650
00:44:08.119 --> 00:44:12.679
in Wisconsin. This is the brightest he's ever seen. Yeah,

651
00:44:13.119 --> 00:44:18.599
and a strong everything else. So at this point you

652
00:44:18.760 --> 00:44:21.760
gotta figure the air on the side of caution. There's

653
00:44:21.760 --> 00:44:25.519
probably eight, one up to the to the left, one

654
00:44:25.599 --> 00:44:29.000
to the right, I know, the right, try to circle

655
00:44:29.079 --> 00:44:32.639
around us, because he ultimately crosses the road behind the

656
00:44:32.679 --> 00:44:36.800
truck and comes in behind us, and so this is

657
00:44:36.920 --> 00:44:41.679
getting kind of pins the needle of you, you know,

658
00:44:42.239 --> 00:44:44.920
and hair shrut and raised in the back of the neck.

659
00:44:45.960 --> 00:44:48.800
And so first thing I do, I pull out my

660
00:44:48.920 --> 00:44:52.000
garden and I pushed the cap for the SOS button off.

661
00:44:52.639 --> 00:44:55.159
Now put that right in my crye. And I'm thinking

662
00:44:55.400 --> 00:44:59.599
something weird's going to happen. And we're being surrounded, you know.

663
00:45:00.119 --> 00:45:03.360
And and then I bring up my my air blast

664
00:45:03.400 --> 00:45:07.880
horn and I have a five thousand women high intensity

665
00:45:08.239 --> 00:45:11.559
white strobe and I've got that in my hand, and

666
00:45:11.760 --> 00:45:14.880
I'm just saying, okay, you know, we're ready the rock

667
00:45:14.920 --> 00:45:18.199
and roll. We'll see what's going to happen. And they're

668
00:45:18.239 --> 00:45:21.480
just sitting there staring at us. Things sort of calm

669
00:45:21.559 --> 00:45:24.400
down now that there a few of them leave. There's

670
00:45:24.440 --> 00:45:26.920
only two now staring at us. Things get kind of quiet.

671
00:45:26.960 --> 00:45:30.280
We don't hear movement. So I said, okay, guys, well

672
00:45:31.159 --> 00:45:34.079
let's try something here. I go. I want you three

673
00:45:35.360 --> 00:45:38.280
to take a walk to the left of where we've

674
00:45:38.280 --> 00:45:40.599
heard the giggling. I want you to go about one

675
00:45:40.679 --> 00:45:46.440
hundred yards out the thirty and walk back. So I'm

676
00:45:46.480 --> 00:45:50.440
sitting at the concrete picnic table, basically using myself as bait,

677
00:45:51.599 --> 00:45:53.880
and I want them to walk up and make it

678
00:45:54.000 --> 00:45:57.000
look like they're leaving me alone, because I want them

679
00:45:57.239 --> 00:45:59.880
to see if something will follow them. That's my goal.

680
00:46:01.440 --> 00:46:04.639
And they get about one hundred feet away, and I

681
00:46:04.719 --> 00:46:09.320
can start hearing whispers, whispers to my right and whispering

682
00:46:09.400 --> 00:46:12.760
in front of me. All of a sudden, eye spot, eyeshining,

683
00:46:14.239 --> 00:46:17.039
another set of eye shines much closer on my side

684
00:46:17.079 --> 00:46:20.920
of the dry wash, probably thirty feet thirty five feet away,

685
00:46:22.519 --> 00:46:25.840
and they keep walking away, walking away. All of a sudden,

686
00:46:26.920 --> 00:46:31.480
I'm hearing heavy thuds coming at me from the other

687
00:46:31.559 --> 00:46:34.440
side of the wash, and they're getting closer and closer

688
00:46:34.599 --> 00:46:37.840
and closer and closer and closer, and they're getting louder.

689
00:46:37.880 --> 00:46:41.760
And I hear something jump into the dry wash. I'm

690
00:46:41.760 --> 00:46:46.639
figuring I'm being bluff charged or charged. I hear something

691
00:46:46.800 --> 00:46:49.880
digging in coming out the side of the embankment. I

692
00:46:50.000 --> 00:46:53.800
hit the air horn, I hit the high intensity strobe,

693
00:46:53.960 --> 00:46:56.639
and I'm just flashing. I see eye shine about six

694
00:46:56.719 --> 00:46:59.639
inches above the lip of the dry wash, right there

695
00:46:59.679 --> 00:47:05.639
in the on the bank. Also, and those guys they

696
00:47:05.719 --> 00:47:09.119
see the high strobe, they come, they come rushing back.

697
00:47:10.360 --> 00:47:12.639
I go, okay, that didn't work out the way I

698
00:47:13.119 --> 00:47:16.440
thought it would. I thought they would follow them, And

699
00:47:16.639 --> 00:47:20.559
so they're coming back. All of a sudden, it goes

700
00:47:20.679 --> 00:47:23.599
back down to the wash. It goes down the wash

701
00:47:23.719 --> 00:47:27.519
to the right. The other eye shine on the other

702
00:47:27.559 --> 00:47:30.239
side of the bank disappears, or the closed their eyes,

703
00:47:30.360 --> 00:47:34.480
or they stopped little light. They get there, they're saying

704
00:47:34.519 --> 00:47:37.480
what happened? Or I had my golf stop the bluff

705
00:47:37.559 --> 00:47:40.760
charging and come across the then dry wash. I heard

706
00:47:40.800 --> 00:47:42.519
it come up the bank and I saw eye shine

707
00:47:42.559 --> 00:47:45.079
right there, about twenty feet away. That's why I threw

708
00:47:45.119 --> 00:47:48.760
on the strobe. Okay, okay, okay, cool cool cool. So

709
00:47:48.960 --> 00:47:51.679
we're sitting there. There's only like fifteen minutes later, and

710
00:47:51.760 --> 00:47:54.000
all of a sudden, there's three more sets of eye

711
00:47:54.000 --> 00:47:56.320
shine in that low world on the other side of

712
00:47:56.360 --> 00:48:01.480
the wash. They weren't intimidated by us being there. They

713
00:48:01.519 --> 00:48:06.159
were just sitting there, curious, watching us. And it got

714
00:48:06.199 --> 00:48:10.840
to a point where, also now that girl talking is

715
00:48:10.920 --> 00:48:17.679
getting closer. We hear a huge whoop, huge a lot

716
00:48:17.760 --> 00:48:20.519
of past and bear toe to it, and you know,

717
00:48:21.679 --> 00:48:23.639
maybe the better part of alert. It's now about one

718
00:48:23.639 --> 00:48:27.079
point thirty in the morning. We're let's just pack this up.

719
00:48:27.320 --> 00:48:30.639
So we just announced it them. Hey, we don't mean

720
00:48:30.679 --> 00:48:33.719
you no harm. We're just here to see you because

721
00:48:33.760 --> 00:48:36.920
you can see us and we need you no harm.

722
00:48:37.119 --> 00:48:41.199
We're gonna pack up and go. So we packed up

723
00:48:41.239 --> 00:48:44.719
and left. We got back to base camp, and we

724
00:48:44.840 --> 00:48:47.000
were so highly energized. But I was thinking none of

725
00:48:47.079 --> 00:48:48.840
us got back to sleep till about four and more.

726
00:48:50.360 --> 00:48:53.960
But that was pretty intense encounter both.

727
00:48:54.079 --> 00:48:56.679
I mean, no, just just to be at the point

728
00:48:56.679 --> 00:49:00.880
where you're like flipping off the safety into your garment

729
00:49:01.400 --> 00:49:05.960
in reach. Yeah, that's saying something. Man, that's saying something.

730
00:49:06.000 --> 00:49:10.400
I've never been in that situation. Marsha, that's a different situation.

731
00:49:11.119 --> 00:49:14.639
I'm thinking. When we don't have radio contact with the outside,

732
00:49:15.800 --> 00:49:21.920
I'm responsible for these people's safety, Okay, I am. And

733
00:49:22.079 --> 00:49:25.159
so I got no radio contact with the outside world.

734
00:49:25.239 --> 00:49:28.119
I've got no cell contact with the outside world. I'm

735
00:49:28.199 --> 00:49:32.559
in a spot where something happens, someone gets excited and

736
00:49:32.760 --> 00:49:34.960
falls down and gets a three route through their arm

737
00:49:35.079 --> 00:49:41.559
or something. I'm I'm the senior person there. If anything,

738
00:49:41.639 --> 00:49:42.920
I'm morally responsible.

739
00:49:43.079 --> 00:49:55.920
So mm hmm, yeah me too.

740
00:49:57.719 --> 00:50:02.400
And so yeah, anyhow, I thought that was the better

741
00:50:02.440 --> 00:50:08.480
part of the dollor to do that and go ahead.

742
00:50:09.519 --> 00:50:11.199
I was just gonna say it's a good call, and

743
00:50:11.519 --> 00:50:14.239
it's I'd say, it's a if you're going to be

744
00:50:14.320 --> 00:50:18.960
doing stuff like this, seriously, consider you need to have

745
00:50:19.119 --> 00:50:24.159
something like some kind of GPS locator beacon. And I'm

746
00:50:24.239 --> 00:50:26.239
not They're not like a sponsor anything. I'm just saying

747
00:50:26.320 --> 00:50:27.719
this is what I do, and I would.

748
00:50:28.760 --> 00:50:34.000
Me I was kind of gosh. I was in Pennsylvania

749
00:50:34.119 --> 00:50:37.519
for an expedition. I was this is the kind of

750
00:50:37.679 --> 00:50:40.320
situation you don't want to be in. I was on

751
00:50:40.400 --> 00:50:45.679
a loan for service road forty miles from anything or

752
00:50:45.719 --> 00:50:49.559
any one, in a downpour, brain with a flat tire

753
00:50:49.679 --> 00:50:55.079
and got bit by a copperhead whoa that garment staved

754
00:50:55.119 --> 00:50:59.360
by life. It saved my life, that garment in reach.

755
00:51:03.599 --> 00:51:05.760
What I did, I was able to text my sister

756
00:51:06.440 --> 00:51:08.880
and say, you look on a map and tell me

757
00:51:09.559 --> 00:51:12.119
how I get out of here. Where's the nearest place

758
00:51:12.159 --> 00:51:17.079
for me to go, where's the nearest medical facility? Anything?

759
00:51:17.320 --> 00:51:18.840
Can you help me? And she I was able to

760
00:51:18.920 --> 00:51:21.320
contact her for her to tell me, we'll take that

761
00:51:21.519 --> 00:51:23.639
road to this road and I'll send you a map.

762
00:51:24.320 --> 00:51:27.639
And so with that garment, she could transmit a map

763
00:51:27.920 --> 00:51:30.760
back to me and I could look at it and go, Okay,

764
00:51:30.800 --> 00:51:33.400
that's where I'm at. I know where I am, and

765
00:51:33.760 --> 00:51:37.559
uh cool what it is? When I did not realize

766
00:51:38.159 --> 00:51:44.079
in Pennsylvania and you don't normally associate copperheads with Pennsylvania.

767
00:51:46.239 --> 00:51:49.280
My tire stored on the outside of the vehicle up

768
00:51:49.400 --> 00:51:53.679
underneath it, and so you have to crank it down,

769
00:51:53.920 --> 00:51:57.079
lower it down. Then you reach up and you have

770
00:51:57.239 --> 00:52:02.480
to swing the bracket so you can drop the tire. Well,

771
00:52:03.199 --> 00:52:06.280
something I didn't realize is here in the style, sometimes

772
00:52:06.320 --> 00:52:08.360
snakes like to get on top of that tire.

773
00:52:08.719 --> 00:52:10.480
Oh that's terrible, oh man.

774
00:52:10.679 --> 00:52:12.880
And I reached my hang up there and sure enough

775
00:52:12.960 --> 00:52:16.280
hit me in the hand. And it took no more

776
00:52:16.320 --> 00:52:19.440
than twenty thirty minutes for all kinds of strange colors

777
00:52:20.199 --> 00:52:22.599
and sort of little numb and you know, little six

778
00:52:22.679 --> 00:52:26.840
of your stomach. But you know, she was able to

779
00:52:26.880 --> 00:52:29.119
give me the directions of where to go, what to do,

780
00:52:30.599 --> 00:52:32.480
and when I got in the cell reception, she stayed

781
00:52:32.519 --> 00:52:35.039
on the phone. And I would not have been able

782
00:52:35.079 --> 00:52:37.880
to do that without that garment at all.

783
00:52:39.000 --> 00:52:41.239
I'm pretty absolutely I'm glad you're able to get out

784
00:52:41.239 --> 00:52:45.440
of that situation. That's a scary one situation.

785
00:52:45.639 --> 00:52:50.079
One of the hang ups of being in investigator squatting

786
00:52:50.199 --> 00:52:54.360
by yourself and going out there and say, okay, here

787
00:52:54.440 --> 00:52:57.760
I am world, and something happens that's on me, you know.

788
00:52:58.079 --> 00:52:59.639
Yeah, But.

789
00:53:01.280 --> 00:53:02.679
I didn't want to get up on the tanzer on

790
00:53:02.800 --> 00:53:06.480
you about the gardment and reach. But I take it everywhere.

791
00:53:07.079 --> 00:53:07.559
I don't know.

792
00:53:07.639 --> 00:53:11.199
I think it's a it's a good, good little thing

793
00:53:11.280 --> 00:53:14.199
to talk about for a few minutes. So that brings

794
00:53:14.360 --> 00:53:17.639
us Marsha to Iowa, and I want to just do

795
00:53:17.719 --> 00:53:22.599
a little disclai real quick, so just so people cannot

796
00:53:22.639 --> 00:53:28.840
be focusing on something. I was not on this expedition

797
00:53:29.239 --> 00:53:34.239
because I had just gotten back from Tennessee and I'm

798
00:53:34.920 --> 00:53:37.519
only able to do so many expeditions a year for

799
00:53:37.679 --> 00:53:41.880
certain reasons, and that's why I was not able to

800
00:53:42.760 --> 00:53:47.800
be there, and I greatly regret that. For what you're

801
00:53:47.800 --> 00:53:48.639
about to hear, so.

802
00:53:50.519 --> 00:53:56.480
L Well, first off, my good friend Betsy and my

803
00:53:56.599 --> 00:53:59.920
other friend Lonnie there were the coordinators. And I told Ben,

804
00:54:00.360 --> 00:54:02.840
if you ever do an expedition, I don't care where

805
00:54:02.880 --> 00:54:04.679
you are, what you're doing, where it's at. I will

806
00:54:04.719 --> 00:54:07.679
be there to help you. And so she says, Well,

807
00:54:07.800 --> 00:54:10.559
about a month later, she goes, I'm doing one in Iowa.

808
00:54:10.679 --> 00:54:13.239
You come on out, Yes, ma'am, I will be there.

809
00:54:13.679 --> 00:54:14.000
And so.

810
00:54:16.239 --> 00:54:18.880
So I get there a couple of days before the

811
00:54:18.960 --> 00:54:24.840
expedition starts and we're in Asle and uh. So I

812
00:54:24.960 --> 00:54:29.039
get there on a Tuesday, and I'm by myself. There's

813
00:54:29.079 --> 00:54:33.440
no one in the campground, there's no one adjacent to me, nothing.

814
00:54:33.480 --> 00:54:36.639
I go, okay, this is this is the formula that

815
00:54:36.880 --> 00:54:41.519
I'm accustomed to. All right. So I get set up

816
00:54:41.679 --> 00:54:46.079
and run around dinner time, I start a fire and

817
00:54:46.920 --> 00:54:50.440
I'm just paying attention to my surroundings. I set up

818
00:54:50.480 --> 00:54:53.920
my equipment. Usually what I do is I mount a

819
00:54:54.079 --> 00:54:57.519
tripod to the ground. I'm actually screwing the cable into

820
00:54:57.599 --> 00:55:00.960
the ground to a fix that try so it does

821
00:55:01.119 --> 00:55:03.800
not move. And then I put on that a backup

822
00:55:03.880 --> 00:55:10.480
battery with a task cam, seven x multi directional microphones

823
00:55:10.599 --> 00:55:14.199
and all that, and so I get that set up.

824
00:55:16.079 --> 00:55:20.880
I also put up a GoPro Hero thirteen that's focused

825
00:55:20.920 --> 00:55:26.199
on my tent. So all that's going good. And so

826
00:55:28.800 --> 00:55:31.159
I sit there by my fire. I wait till it

827
00:55:31.360 --> 00:55:36.280
gets dark and later, I learned that there's actually wolves

828
00:55:36.320 --> 00:55:38.239
an I one. I didn't know that. I thought there

829
00:55:38.280 --> 00:55:42.320
were coyotes. But anyhow, I hear wolves, and that's that's

830
00:55:42.360 --> 00:55:44.199
kind of nice. I spot a little I shot eye

831
00:55:44.239 --> 00:55:48.000
shine twice in a free knock, and I go, okay,

832
00:55:48.159 --> 00:55:53.920
this is encouraging. At this point, I let my fire

833
00:55:54.000 --> 00:55:57.480
logs burn out. It's by eleven o'clock. I'm gonna go

834
00:55:57.559 --> 00:56:01.239
in my bed. I'm gonna go to bed. So at

835
00:56:01.320 --> 00:56:06.760
this point I'm gonna put an asterisk right here because

836
00:56:07.000 --> 00:56:11.599
there's day day and realizations that came up with during

837
00:56:11.719 --> 00:56:16.440
this encounter that take me back three years. And I

838
00:56:16.559 --> 00:56:21.199
was able to connect the dots on a few occurrences.

839
00:56:22.840 --> 00:56:29.159
And so I get my tent. I'm laying on my cot,

840
00:56:29.519 --> 00:56:31.639
and my COT's on the extreme right end of the

841
00:56:32.559 --> 00:56:37.159
of the tent, and I fall asleep. I don't hear

842
00:56:37.239 --> 00:56:41.440
anything more. My tent is set up on the gravel area,

843
00:56:41.880 --> 00:56:44.719
but I'm surrounded with deep leaf clutter all the way around.

844
00:56:45.679 --> 00:56:55.599
A great scenario one a half. And so the next

845
00:56:55.639 --> 00:57:02.199
thing I remember is in my eyes and I'm seeing

846
00:57:02.360 --> 00:57:06.440
stars like I've had a mile can custon or something,

847
00:57:07.800 --> 00:57:14.079
and seeing stars like whoa. And I catch myself first

848
00:57:14.199 --> 00:57:16.559
yelling in my inner voice, then trying to get it

849
00:57:16.719 --> 00:57:21.239
out with my outer voice, and I'm yelling no, no, stop,

850
00:57:21.400 --> 00:57:27.159
stop stop. I can hear something breathing and sniffing about

851
00:57:27.159 --> 00:57:30.039
a foot away from my head. I hear something moving

852
00:57:30.079 --> 00:57:38.800
in a leaf clutter. My cat shakes twice, and I'm

853
00:57:38.840 --> 00:57:42.719
just trying to gain focus to be conscious, and I

854
00:57:42.880 --> 00:57:47.920
yell out again stop. The reason for that yelling is

855
00:57:48.000 --> 00:57:50.920
so at all time mark in my recorder, and so

856
00:57:53.159 --> 00:57:54.559
I managed him to half off the cot and I

857
00:57:54.639 --> 00:57:57.239
move over to center of tank my chair. Now sitting there,

858
00:57:57.239 --> 00:57:59.639
I'm trying to shake the coblebs out, get these stars

859
00:57:59.679 --> 00:58:05.760
to go way, and I find looking at the timing

860
00:58:05.840 --> 00:58:08.800
on the recorder, it's been about twenty minutes. It took

861
00:58:08.880 --> 00:58:15.400
me to clear my head. And I've had selfsequent dreams

862
00:58:15.480 --> 00:58:19.599
of seeing a hand right in my face from three

863
00:58:19.679 --> 00:58:23.559
four inches away, But I don't know if that's a

864
00:58:23.639 --> 00:58:25.960
dream from fear or what that is. I can't say

865
00:58:25.960 --> 00:58:33.800
I asked what I saw that. But since then, about

866
00:58:33.800 --> 00:58:37.159
halfway through the expedition, I'm doing the standard tick check,

867
00:58:37.239 --> 00:58:40.679
you know, and I've got bruises on my calf on

868
00:58:40.800 --> 00:58:45.519
my right thigh on my right shoulder sore, and the

869
00:58:45.559 --> 00:58:51.360
bruises are just dos like circles or oblog like someone

870
00:58:51.519 --> 00:58:56.360
was a punchy with knuckles or something. I've since been

871
00:58:56.440 --> 00:58:59.599
to the doctor. I've a mild ligament tear of my

872
00:58:59.719 --> 00:59:03.880
right shoulder right now that I'm dealing with. And the

873
00:59:03.960 --> 00:59:09.920
whole rest had expedition. I stayed in base camp, having counters.

874
00:59:10.320 --> 00:59:12.559
I was the one who would stay back at the

875
00:59:12.639 --> 00:59:15.599
fire at base camp when everyone else went out. So

876
00:59:15.679 --> 00:59:20.639
I'm watching the gear if anything, and all the hold

877
00:59:22.159 --> 00:59:25.480
I shine out to the out to the northeast up

878
00:59:25.519 --> 00:59:28.960
on the ridge, and then also movement to the right,

879
00:59:30.159 --> 00:59:32.800
ended up coming in about twenty five thirty feet away

880
00:59:32.800 --> 00:59:36.800
from Betsy's tent to see another one shadow running through

881
00:59:36.800 --> 00:59:45.039
the woods, three knocks, et cetera. And that was Friday night,

882
00:59:46.119 --> 00:59:52.039
I mean, and it just seemed like from after that

883
00:59:52.199 --> 00:59:55.599
encounter on Tuesday night, we had squatching camp every night

884
00:59:56.119 --> 01:00:01.719
doing something getting into trouble. But when I wherever I was,

885
01:00:04.119 --> 01:00:08.440
it seen that squat seemed to follow them there that

886
01:00:08.599 --> 01:00:13.039
base camp going down trail trail, I think it's Trail

887
01:00:13.159 --> 01:00:19.800
nine going down these different places, and so I just

888
01:00:19.920 --> 01:00:24.159
found that really unusual. But coming home with the bruises

889
01:00:24.480 --> 01:00:28.119
and whatnot. Now the reason why I put an asterisk

890
01:00:28.199 --> 01:00:32.360
by that as for an important reason, Remember I mentioned

891
01:00:32.400 --> 01:00:36.599
that notebook or crazy stuff Marsha can't explain, right. I

892
01:00:36.719 --> 01:00:40.280
go all the way back to our initial interview, and

893
01:00:40.360 --> 01:00:43.719
I told you about being left alone guarding it that

894
01:00:43.800 --> 01:00:47.840
big circus tent and for some reason sitting in a

895
01:00:47.960 --> 01:00:50.840
chair with a rifle across my lap, and waking up

896
01:00:50.920 --> 01:00:52.840
five and a half hours later laying in my cot,

897
01:00:54.199 --> 01:00:58.800
and another occasion of being in my tent and feeling

898
01:00:59.000 --> 01:01:01.440
like I'm having a mind concussion. I guess these stars,

899
01:01:01.480 --> 01:01:04.760
but I can't hear, I can't move, I'm frozen. Here's

900
01:01:04.840 --> 01:01:12.079
now a fourth time where I'm sure to breath. My

901
01:01:12.239 --> 01:01:15.599
cot has been moved, and you feel it move. I've

902
01:01:15.679 --> 01:01:21.280
seen stars like I've had a concussion. I can barely talk.

903
01:01:21.480 --> 01:01:24.639
I can't get the words out, and it's all I

904
01:01:24.719 --> 01:01:28.239
can do to y'all stop or know. I think this

905
01:01:28.440 --> 01:01:32.119
is setting a trend. I think this is a heavy

906
01:01:33.000 --> 01:01:38.159
use of in for sound to knock me out by myself.

907
01:01:39.480 --> 01:01:44.960
And so now that I'm now these these dots, these observations,

908
01:01:45.039 --> 01:01:49.280
are all independent in my notebook of things I can't

909
01:01:49.400 --> 01:01:52.559
understand or can't explain, But all of a sudden I

910
01:01:52.679 --> 01:01:56.639
collect enough of these and they connect the dots. And

911
01:01:56.800 --> 01:02:02.280
so there in Iowa. Other people had encounters at their car,

912
01:02:02.519 --> 01:02:14.079
handports on cars, waking up feeling nausea, Betsy having motion

913
01:02:14.280 --> 01:02:17.679
near her in the kitchen tent, you know, fifteen feet away,

914
01:02:18.519 --> 01:02:23.199
something walking around her tent, three knocks out by the ouphouses,

915
01:02:23.280 --> 01:02:28.440
and things of that nature. So for me personally, the

916
01:02:28.559 --> 01:02:34.719
Iowa expedition connected a lot of experiences that I could

917
01:02:34.760 --> 01:02:38.719
not explain. It allowed me to say, well, okay, now

918
01:02:38.800 --> 01:02:42.480
I see the connection between all these experiences and what

919
01:02:42.599 --> 01:02:48.639
I've encountered physically and the X rays of my leg,

920
01:02:48.840 --> 01:02:51.119
the X rays on my shoulder, the MRI of my

921
01:02:51.280 --> 01:02:54.960
shoulder and stuff like that. That's something literally shook me

922
01:02:55.599 --> 01:03:00.719
and my cot with force. And I don't think it's

923
01:03:00.760 --> 01:03:05.079
an active aggression. I think it's this entity is so

924
01:03:05.239 --> 01:03:07.360
strong that what it comes up and it pushes on

925
01:03:07.440 --> 01:03:11.639
stuffing is are you in there? And that h are

926
01:03:11.679 --> 01:03:15.039
you in there? As a pretty heavy hit, you know,

927
01:03:16.920 --> 01:03:20.559
And I think, again, I don't see that's an active aggression.

928
01:03:20.760 --> 01:03:26.880
I see this just an active inquiry, and my human

929
01:03:26.960 --> 01:03:31.760
body is not strong enough to take that inquiry, I guess,

930
01:03:31.800 --> 01:03:32.360
so to speak.

931
01:03:34.599 --> 01:03:38.039
That's some really scary stuff when you get stuff like

932
01:03:38.079 --> 01:03:40.440
that that happens to your actual physical body.

933
01:03:40.559 --> 01:03:44.960
Marcia, Yeah, right right now. Like I said, I went

934
01:03:45.000 --> 01:03:48.400
to the VA here in Columbia and they got me

935
01:03:48.559 --> 01:03:52.519
in and it took about a week and a half

936
01:03:52.599 --> 01:03:55.679
to get in to see them. They MRI on my shoulder,

937
01:03:55.960 --> 01:03:59.920
et cetera, etcetera, and like, well, you've got a mind

938
01:04:00.079 --> 01:04:02.280
and tear in this ligament and your road of cup

939
01:04:02.480 --> 01:04:06.679
is is swollen. And did someone grab you or shake

940
01:04:06.760 --> 01:04:10.159
you by the shoulder. Did you get the car accident

941
01:04:10.360 --> 01:04:15.280
where the seat belt can find your shoulder? No, No,

942
01:04:16.639 --> 01:04:20.039
I didn't tell them obviously what I was doing. Otherwise,

943
01:04:20.119 --> 01:04:25.360
you know they sitting for the slight department. But okay,

944
01:04:25.519 --> 01:04:29.760
I have physical evidence there's something something was pushing on me.

945
01:04:30.639 --> 01:04:35.440
And I told other people i'd be there by myself,

946
01:04:35.559 --> 01:04:37.679
and they're like, no, I don't think i'd go there

947
01:04:37.719 --> 01:04:38.360
by myself.

948
01:04:39.639 --> 01:04:43.360
Oh really there are individuals. I said that, that's really interesting.

949
01:04:43.679 --> 01:04:49.679
Wow, yeah, I don't bet you been there by alf

950
01:04:51.079 --> 01:04:55.519
I'm normally I'm of the general opinion that as long

951
01:04:55.559 --> 01:05:00.519
as I'm not actively pursuing them aggressively looking to armed them,

952
01:05:01.599 --> 01:05:04.960
I think there's a strong percentage that they're not going

953
01:05:05.039 --> 01:05:09.039
to harm me. Ahlways, you know, I'm smart about it.

954
01:05:10.280 --> 01:05:15.559
Almost walking into one obviously could have squashed me, killed

955
01:05:15.639 --> 01:05:18.159
me right on the spot. But we both turned around

956
01:05:18.199 --> 01:05:21.039
into fear and ram from one another. That, you know,

957
01:05:22.840 --> 01:05:25.079
I thought that was kind of unique. Why didn't he

958
01:05:25.159 --> 01:05:29.639
get or she just stand there and let me run away?

959
01:05:30.039 --> 01:05:33.679
Why did it run away? You know, I'm kind of

960
01:05:33.719 --> 01:05:38.639
curious about that. Also, there could have been a couple

961
01:05:38.679 --> 01:05:44.159
of sweat stains on my coat that are not mine

962
01:05:44.920 --> 01:05:46.039
from that encounter.

963
01:05:48.440 --> 01:05:53.320
We lost for a second. There there's two.

964
01:05:53.239 --> 01:05:56.840
Sweat stains on my sleeve of my coat from Tennessee

965
01:05:57.280 --> 01:06:01.000
that are not mine. I wonder if when the squatch

966
01:06:01.559 --> 01:06:03.960
turned around in a hurry, then maybe a drop of

967
01:06:04.039 --> 01:06:07.159
sweat came off the hair and flicked onto my coat.

968
01:06:07.280 --> 01:06:12.159
I'm not sure I have saved the coat. I've talked

969
01:06:12.159 --> 01:06:14.599
to a couple of people of where I can get

970
01:06:14.639 --> 01:06:17.880
it examined, etc. So we'll see where that leads.

971
01:06:18.760 --> 01:06:23.159
So going back to Iowa for a bit. So you're

972
01:06:23.199 --> 01:06:28.199
saying that multiple people in that expedition had visual sightings

973
01:06:28.360 --> 01:06:29.679
of something. Would you say.

974
01:06:31.159 --> 01:06:33.559
There was at least four other people that had the

975
01:06:33.599 --> 01:06:37.199
sightings of the eye shine. One other person saw this

976
01:06:37.280 --> 01:06:42.840
littleette running through the forest. I also seen the silhouette

977
01:06:43.079 --> 01:06:48.000
go over by Betsy's pent. There was two occasions wearing

978
01:06:48.000 --> 01:06:52.639
attendee was slept through her car and was afraid to

979
01:06:52.679 --> 01:06:55.119
look out the window, but could hear something walking around

980
01:06:55.159 --> 01:06:59.280
her car. And another attendee stayed this entire time in

981
01:06:59.360 --> 01:07:03.679
the car and had handprints on the side. Something Josto

982
01:07:04.079 --> 01:07:08.119
I suggest and moved the tarp off his supplies, et cetera.

983
01:07:09.840 --> 01:07:14.039
Three knocks out from behind the outhouses and some really

984
01:07:14.239 --> 01:07:20.639
unusual sound like someone gagging or regurgitating sounds. Haven't quite

985
01:07:20.760 --> 01:07:21.960
understand that one yet.

986
01:07:23.000 --> 01:07:25.480
Oh, that is weird. I don't think I've ever heard

987
01:07:25.599 --> 01:07:29.119
that come up in an interview where it's a strange

988
01:07:29.159 --> 01:07:32.000
noise like that. That is weird, as I'll get out.

989
01:07:32.159 --> 01:07:36.039
Yeah, it's been recorded. It's been recorded. We're all sitting

990
01:07:36.039 --> 01:07:41.719
there scratched our hand. Go what is that? Yeah? There

991
01:07:41.719 --> 01:07:44.480
are a couple of people that were very avid and

992
01:07:44.679 --> 01:07:50.559
experienced people when it comes to doing recordings using audio equipment,

993
01:07:50.599 --> 01:07:53.800
et cetera. I don't tendly be an expert at any

994
01:07:53.840 --> 01:07:57.760
of that equipment, but I am knowledgeable enough to use

995
01:07:57.800 --> 01:07:58.800
it or not use it.

996
01:08:00.079 --> 01:08:01.039
Yah. Uh.

997
01:08:01.119 --> 01:08:03.920
The only piece of equipment I really really focus on

998
01:08:04.239 --> 01:08:08.079
is the E M R the MS stuff. I have

999
01:08:08.159 --> 01:08:13.400
a a pole star thermal that's a Tellos fifty XL

1000
01:08:14.360 --> 01:08:19.039
and and so I I'm able to put that up

1001
01:08:19.079 --> 01:08:22.000
on a tripod, go in my tent and watch the

1002
01:08:22.079 --> 01:08:26.560
image from a from a tablet or my cellphone, and

1003
01:08:26.720 --> 01:08:31.000
so in doing that, I can cover two areas at once.

1004
01:08:31.920 --> 01:08:35.399
Would you go back to that area for follow up

1005
01:08:36.199 --> 01:08:41.520
after you experienced something like, you know, messing with your your.

1006
01:08:43.079 --> 01:08:45.199
Yes, I would go back, and in fact, I would

1007
01:08:45.239 --> 01:08:51.640
approach it immensely differently. I would set up a couple

1008
01:08:51.960 --> 01:08:56.359
cross thermals that do not have any kind of IR

1009
01:08:56.479 --> 01:09:02.960
signature at all. Uh. I would also have some long

1010
01:09:03.159 --> 01:09:08.119
distance monitoring, maybe with AE, having someone out there three

1011
01:09:08.239 --> 01:09:13.520
four hundred yards the telescopic lenses watching me, and I

1012
01:09:13.600 --> 01:09:17.399
would set myself up again, you know, start a fire,

1013
01:09:17.520 --> 01:09:22.279
always sprinkle bacon bits on the fire and uh, and camp,

1014
01:09:22.520 --> 01:09:25.399
make noise, let him ski hear me see me, and

1015
01:09:25.680 --> 01:09:29.960
just try to draw them in again and see what happens.

1016
01:09:32.199 --> 01:09:34.720
I mean, yeah, I got some bruises, but I'm no

1017
01:09:34.840 --> 01:09:39.319
worse for wear, and my shoulders sore. Okay, fine, that's

1018
01:09:39.399 --> 01:09:43.720
just another eye of profen. But yeah, I'll do it again.

1019
01:09:44.880 --> 01:09:50.119
Yeah, be interesting to see if there's a there's any

1020
01:09:50.199 --> 01:09:55.199
type of follow up from the organization with that area,

1021
01:09:55.239 --> 01:09:57.840
because I mean, that's that's pretty active.

1022
01:09:58.279 --> 01:10:06.479
I mean, well, there is follow up. My good friends

1023
01:10:06.680 --> 01:10:09.199
that they're not just leaving this encounter out there alone.

1024
01:10:10.239 --> 01:10:13.239
They'll be back out there. They'll be out there monitoring

1025
01:10:13.319 --> 01:10:17.680
and everything else. Just for me, it's a drive from Flumby,

1026
01:10:17.760 --> 01:10:22.319
South Carolina, Iowa. Is quite a job. So I can't

1027
01:10:22.359 --> 01:10:25.399
do that weekly like I do in my research areas

1028
01:10:25.800 --> 01:10:27.680
where I go out there every couple of weeks and

1029
01:10:28.239 --> 01:10:32.319
you know, sit on different trails and whatnot. So they're

1030
01:10:32.359 --> 01:10:37.119
they're aware of it, and you know, they show leadership.

1031
01:10:37.560 --> 01:10:40.920
It's up to them to follow up. They have the report,

1032
01:10:41.079 --> 01:10:45.399
they have the information. Now it's up for them to

1033
01:10:45.800 --> 01:10:46.800
take it one step further.

1034
01:10:48.520 --> 01:10:52.239
And I trusty, Yeah, I'm sure. I mean I was

1035
01:10:52.319 --> 01:10:57.439
able to meet Betsy at the other expedition, and she's

1036
01:10:57.439 --> 01:10:58.359
a great individual.

1037
01:10:59.520 --> 01:11:02.720
So she's a good thing. She's one of my best

1038
01:11:02.760 --> 01:11:03.600
girlfriends out there.

1039
01:11:04.319 --> 01:11:08.279
Absolutely, absolutely, well, Marcia, thank you so much for it.

1040
01:11:08.720 --> 01:11:11.279
Always a pleasure to have you on the show to

1041
01:11:11.439 --> 01:11:13.720
share what the b f R O has been up

1042
01:11:13.800 --> 01:11:17.000
to and what you've experienced, and you know how your

1043
01:11:17.159 --> 01:11:20.600
journey is progressing as you go along, and it's it's

1044
01:11:20.680 --> 01:11:24.079
taken this interesting turn and you know who, who knows

1045
01:11:24.439 --> 01:11:27.199
what will happen next. It sounds like you're going to

1046
01:11:27.279 --> 01:11:29.119
be continuing to go out there.

1047
01:11:30.640 --> 01:11:36.520
Yeah, I'm usually uh you'll meet me yese me if

1048
01:11:36.600 --> 01:11:40.000
you come to an expedition somewhere affiliated with the East

1049
01:11:40.039 --> 01:11:46.039
Coast south of New York to Florida, out to Georgia, Ohio, Tennessee.

1050
01:11:47.439 --> 01:11:53.760
I'm usually there. I do about ten to twelve expeditions

1051
01:11:53.800 --> 01:11:56.880
a year, plus my own independent research and and then

1052
01:11:57.039 --> 01:12:02.680
monitoring a different future X for different sites. In fact,

1053
01:12:02.680 --> 01:12:06.439
I'm working on one right now. I got a call

1054
01:12:06.640 --> 01:12:12.199
the two field biologists that got isolated from the vehicle

1055
01:12:12.319 --> 01:12:19.600
a tall, dark three something they wuldn't name. It kept

1056
01:12:19.640 --> 01:12:22.720
them away from their truck for about two hours and

1057
01:12:23.039 --> 01:12:25.560
then they called nine one one the sheriff come out.

1058
01:12:26.319 --> 01:12:29.119
Sheriff didn't see anything about send it to sheriff. Left.

1059
01:12:29.640 --> 01:12:32.760
They heard screens and pine cones being thrown after vehicle.

1060
01:12:33.439 --> 01:12:37.159
So yeah, you know where I'm going this next week.

1061
01:12:37.239 --> 01:12:42.199
Oh yeah, wow, man, that's you said, field biologists. That's incredible.

1062
01:12:42.479 --> 01:12:47.239
Yeah. Yeah, they're out there studying foxes and how they're

1063
01:12:47.840 --> 01:12:51.039
I guess moving into an area and housing environment, affecting

1064
01:12:51.159 --> 01:12:54.319
them in their population and whatnot. And so I went

1065
01:12:54.399 --> 01:12:57.319
and touch chat with them. They don't want their name shared,

1066
01:12:57.479 --> 01:13:01.960
what organization they're with, but like I said, I use

1067
01:13:02.000 --> 01:13:06.359
a unique set of resources. I talked to veterinarians, mobile

1068
01:13:06.439 --> 01:13:10.720
dog groomers. People put up little feed by five cards

1069
01:13:10.800 --> 01:13:14.600
and little local grocery stores that say, hey, you know

1070
01:13:14.760 --> 01:13:18.479
we we do We're a handyman. Hey. Those people travel

1071
01:13:18.560 --> 01:13:21.840
all over an area, they see everything here everything, and

1072
01:13:21.960 --> 01:13:25.039
so yeah, I want to chat with those people. And

1073
01:13:26.560 --> 01:13:28.319
that's what I do. I have friends with d n R,

1074
01:13:28.880 --> 01:13:32.520
you know, different rangers and whatnot, and so I try

1075
01:13:32.560 --> 01:13:37.039
to draftle well for different resources and directions for information.

1076
01:13:39.000 --> 01:13:42.960
You know, even one gentleman who's an insurance adjuster. When

1077
01:13:43.000 --> 01:13:45.560
a couple of claims were put in for horses that

1078
01:13:45.680 --> 01:13:48.239
were assaulted, I got a chance to sit on top

1079
01:13:48.279 --> 01:13:50.920
of him. So that was pretty pretty unique.

1080
01:13:51.600 --> 01:13:56.640
So I think that's some good thinking outside the box

1081
01:13:56.920 --> 01:14:01.359
of people to talk to that people could definitely take

1082
01:14:01.399 --> 01:14:03.279
away some good step.

1083
01:14:05.199 --> 01:14:08.760
Of people. You know. One thing we do like we

1084
01:14:08.920 --> 01:14:12.079
like skeptics to come out on BFRO expeditions. We really do.

1085
01:14:13.399 --> 01:14:17.000
I commonly will tell attendees I'm not trying to convince

1086
01:14:17.079 --> 01:14:21.520
you of anything. I'll let the proof being opponent, you

1087
01:14:21.640 --> 01:14:25.640
see for yourself. And so we like having skeptics come out.

1088
01:14:25.840 --> 01:14:29.239
If you're interested in the expedition, please df r O

1089
01:14:29.439 --> 01:14:33.920
dot net. You'll see there's gosh right now, there's openings

1090
01:14:33.960 --> 01:14:38.119
all over the country and you'll see them. We try

1091
01:14:38.199 --> 01:14:40.680
to get him posted for the future three four months

1092
01:14:40.720 --> 01:14:45.880
in advance. However, my South Carolina one typically sells out

1093
01:14:45.920 --> 01:14:49.640
in forty eight seventy two hours. Not a whole lot

1094
01:14:49.680 --> 01:14:53.159
I can do about that, because it's just the response.

1095
01:14:53.279 --> 01:14:57.000
We get. The same thing with Lori Lade. When you

1096
01:14:57.079 --> 01:14:59.319
see her advertised, you got to jump right on it

1097
01:14:59.439 --> 01:15:05.079
because it's bells out in a hurry. So but anyhow,

1098
01:15:07.720 --> 01:15:10.760
I will update you this all tell you what we see,

1099
01:15:10.880 --> 01:15:13.720
what we're here out there, and what we're experiencing on

1100
01:15:13.800 --> 01:15:14.279
the trails.

1101
01:15:15.079 --> 01:15:17.880
It's fantastic. Always a pleasure to talk to you. And

1102
01:15:18.119 --> 01:15:21.640
again I recommend listeners. If you want to check out

1103
01:15:21.680 --> 01:15:24.279
what the whole bigfoot thing is about and maybe get

1104
01:15:24.359 --> 01:15:29.359
some cool connections in your area, check out BFI Expedition.

1105
01:15:30.239 --> 01:15:32.640
It's worth it's worth it. I had a good time

1106
01:15:32.720 --> 01:15:34.399
at it. So thank you so much.

1107
01:15:34.920 --> 01:15:37.800
Anything coming on. If someone has a question about it,

1108
01:15:37.920 --> 01:15:41.399
they can go to this interview, put a question in

1109
01:15:41.520 --> 01:15:45.880
the comments, and I read all the comments, good or bad,

1110
01:15:46.479 --> 01:15:49.520
and I'll answer them. That's not a problem. You have

1111
01:15:49.600 --> 01:15:53.159
a question about right, if it's within my ability to answer,

1112
01:15:53.239 --> 01:15:57.560
and I'll give you a truthful answer. Equipment on about

1113
01:15:57.600 --> 01:16:00.279
this one, about that whatever, I'll do my yes, And

1114
01:16:00.399 --> 01:16:03.000
if I can't answer the question, I can refer to

1115
01:16:03.079 --> 01:16:05.520
you to someone who who may be able for it.

1116
01:16:06.319 --> 01:16:08.439
H But don't hesitate, not at all.

1117
01:16:09.119 --> 01:16:11.640
That's great. Yeah, So that's over on. Uh go over

1118
01:16:11.760 --> 01:16:15.600
to the YouTube side and UH leave a question in

1119
01:16:15.680 --> 01:16:18.359
the comments and Marshall will be taking a look for

1120
01:16:18.479 --> 01:16:20.880
those and answering those. I appreciate that. Thank you. That's

1121
01:16:21.000 --> 01:16:22.039
that's nice for you to do that.

1122
01:16:22.319 --> 01:16:25.000
So but our problem, it has.

1123
01:16:24.920 --> 01:16:27.640
Been a pleasure chatting with you again, Marcia, and uh

1124
01:16:28.239 --> 01:16:32.159
and uh we'll definitely be getting an update in the

1125
01:16:32.239 --> 01:16:35.079
future because you are always out there and you're in

1126
01:16:35.159 --> 01:16:37.199
the thick of it, and uh, always a pleasure to

1127
01:16:37.239 --> 01:16:37.600
talk to you.

1128
01:16:38.760 --> 01:16:40.720
That's talking to you, Jeremy. And that's why I keep

1129
01:16:40.760 --> 01:16:46.119
you on my garment because if I get taught this situation,

1130
01:16:46.359 --> 01:16:51.279
I need emergency, I'm going to alert you.

1131
01:16:51.479 --> 01:16:51.760
Got it?

1132
01:16:53.119 --> 01:16:53.920
Pay care, Jemy.

1133
01:16:55.319 --> 01:16:58.239
Have you ever heard all the accounts of bigfoot activity

1134
01:16:58.399 --> 01:17:01.520
around Oakridge, Oregon? And you think to yourself, Man, I

1135
01:17:01.600 --> 01:17:04.439
would love to get out in those woods and experience

1136
01:17:04.479 --> 01:17:08.960
it for myself. Well, guess what this year you can.

1137
01:17:09.680 --> 01:17:12.600
If this is interesting to you, stay tuned because it's

1138
01:17:12.680 --> 01:17:17.520
pretty cool. Sasquatch Summer Fest is coming up July tenth

1139
01:17:17.680 --> 01:17:20.760
through the eleventh, twenty twenty six. It's going to be

1140
01:17:21.359 --> 01:17:25.439
even better than the previous year's reason number one, I'll

1141
01:17:25.479 --> 01:17:28.119
be one of the speakers. It's gonna be wild. I'll

1142
01:17:28.239 --> 01:17:33.680
probably I'll say this. There may be stuff you haven't

1143
01:17:33.760 --> 01:17:39.880
heard anywhere else, because let's just say sometimes it's well,

1144
01:17:40.119 --> 01:17:42.000
you just got to be there. We'll leave at that.

1145
01:17:42.239 --> 01:17:44.880
More about looking for bigfoot in the Oakridge Woods. Now

1146
01:17:45.000 --> 01:17:50.079
check this out. You may know Jason Kenzie from his

1147
01:17:50.199 --> 01:17:55.000
documentary series Searching for Sasquatch. Well, this year you can

1148
01:17:55.079 --> 01:17:58.199
not only go to the festival, but you can also

1149
01:17:59.079 --> 01:18:05.800
sign up or a track deep in the wild forest

1150
01:18:05.960 --> 01:18:10.560
outside of Oakridge with Jason Kenzie to the Bigfoot spots

1151
01:18:11.000 --> 01:18:14.520
to look for Bigfoot. There's only eight spots to sign

1152
01:18:14.640 --> 01:18:18.199
up for this, and yes, this will also be filmed

1153
01:18:18.760 --> 01:18:21.399
for the next chapter in his documentary series, which is

1154
01:18:21.640 --> 01:18:24.560
Searching for Sasquatch. This is a once in a lifetime deal.

1155
01:18:24.800 --> 01:18:27.800
It's just trust it's going to be a wild, wild experience.

1156
01:18:29.520 --> 01:18:32.960
To get a ticket, head on over to Sasquatch Summerfest

1157
01:18:32.960 --> 01:18:37.600
dot com and listeners can use the code b sp

1158
01:18:38.920 --> 01:18:42.359
like Bigfoot Society podcast in order to get a two

1159
01:18:42.439 --> 01:18:45.159
day pass for the price of a one day pass.

1160
01:18:45.840 --> 01:18:50.319
So thanks to Priscilla for giving me that code so

1161
01:18:50.520 --> 01:18:56.560
that you guys can can get a little a little

1162
01:18:56.640 --> 01:18:59.880
help with the costs there. Appreciate that, Priscilla. I hope

1163
01:18:59.880 --> 01:19:03.159
to see you at the booth in Oakridge this year.

1164
01:19:04.319 --> 01:19:06.560
We can talk about your encounter. Was able to talk

1165
01:19:06.640 --> 01:19:09.239
to so many people last year and the year before.

1166
01:19:10.159 --> 01:19:13.079
It is an incredible time. You're not going to want

1167
01:19:13.119 --> 01:19:17.359
to miss it, and I'll see you there before we

1168
01:19:17.439 --> 01:19:19.880
wrap this episode. I want to say something directly to

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a very specific group of listeners. If you're in the military,

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any branch or forces, and if you've seen something that

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no one can explain, or if you're a National park

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ranger or forestry worker who's been told to stay quiet.

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If you're a pilot who's seen something strange down on

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the ground, or if you're with the FBI a federal agency,

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or working intelligence and you stumbled upon something you're not

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allowed to talk about. And if you're a firefighter, paramedic,

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or search and rescue responder who's heard screams or found

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tracks that didn't make sense. If you're in the logging

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industry on a remote oil field, or a trucker with

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government contracts and you've had something happen that you've never

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told a soul. And if you're a biologist, a wildlife specialist,

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or a field researcher under contract who has found evidence

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you're not allowed to report. If you're a pastor, a missionary,

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or someone on a spiritual retreat and you saw something

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that shook your faith or if you work in the shadows, CIA,

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NSA or anything with clearance and you've seen what the

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public hasn't, then I want to talk to you, even

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if it's anonymous. You can reach me at Bigfoot Society

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at gmail dot com. The world needs to hear what

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you've been forced to carry alone, and you're not alone.

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You've got the story, We've got the mic see you

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in the woods. Thank you for listening to this episode

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of the Bigfoot Society podcast. Every encounter we share reminds

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us that the world is bigger and stranger than we think,

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and that the truth is often hiding just beyond the

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tree line. If you enjoyed this episode, please be sure

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star positive review because all that helps more people discover

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the show. And remember, if you or someone you know

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has had a Bigfoot sighting, please I'd love to hear

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from you, so email me at Bigfoot Society at gmail

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dot com and let's start the conversation. If you haven't

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gotten a chance yet, check out our membership community over

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at www dot Bigfoot Society podcast dot com and that's

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free and members only episodes every week. Also, it's a

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place to connect with other people that are into the

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Bigfoot subject as much as you are. Thanks again for

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following along with the Bigfoot Society until next time. Keep

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your eyes open, trust your gut, and never stop asking

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what else might be out there? And see you in

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the woods.