Dogman Secrets of The Land Between the Lakes with Aaron Deese

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big Fort Society get the privilege of
talking to an old friend today star

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Aaron D's content producer from Small Town
Monsters, and of course you may know

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him as the author of The Texas
dog Man Triangle. And I have the

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privilege of having one of the hardcover
copies because I backed the kickstarter last year's

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and this is such a good book. I my goodness, when I read

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through this, I was so proud
of you, my dude. It's such

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a good book. Oh thanks man. That means a lot to me.

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Thank you. You played a big
role in helping me to like navigate this

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space and get to where I'm doing
what I am right now. Thank you

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much appreciated. It makes me so
happy to see how far are you going?

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And not even to mention the amazing
documentary counterpart with you and Shannon,

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and just to watch that, I
was like, oh, my goodness,

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it's so good. I know.
I know those guys. I know those

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guys. I know it. Aaron, You're an interesting interview because we mainly

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talk to people that have had bigfoot
encounters on this podcast. But your primary

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focus, I would say, is
in dog man correct. Yeah, yeah,

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I guess at this point I'm the
dog man guy. I would say,

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you're really one of the top dog
man guys. Oh man, thank

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you. I don't know if I
can, if I can I aspire to

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that. I don't know if I
can claim that mantle yet, because there

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are a lot of people that have
been in this field doing this research for

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a long time, and a lot
of what I've done has been built on

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referencing their research and talking with them. So I appreciate that very much.

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But yeah, Yeah, there's more
work to do. Are there any individuals

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that you look up to and,
let's say, in the field of dog

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man Yeah, quite a few.
Man the Texas, the Three Texas guys,

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Lyle Blackburn, Ken Gerhard Nick Redfern. They don't focus specifically on dog

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man stuff, but they did research
on it years ago that kind of helped

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inspire me and that I jumped off
of. And then people like Barton Nunneley

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who've been looking into this stuff for
a very long time. Martin Groves,

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who I've had the opportunity to become
acquainted with recently. Awesome, awesome guy.

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Your interviews with him actually were early
reference material for me in the book

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I'm writing right now. So I'm
a little factoid there. Yeah, gosh,

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I have a whole list of names, and I'm going to forget half

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of them. Linda Godfrey, of
course, the work that she did before

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she sadly passed away, just we
wouldn't be having this conversation without her straight

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up, Like, I'll say that
for sure. There's a lot of Jody

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Cook North American dog Man Research Project
a great yea have been doing this kind

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of work and documenting these reports and
noticing for a long time that hey,

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this doesn't sound like it's just Sasquatch. It sounds like there's something else going

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on here. So yeah, a
lot of people to think and look up

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to. For sure. Absolutely,
the dog maned community, it's so intensely

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into it, and I really admire
them for that. But let's say you're

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chatting with someone they don't really know
everything you're into, and they hear you're

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the author of this book, the
Texas dog Man Triangle, and they're like,

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I know what Texas is, but
what's his dog man character? What's

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your elevator pitch for? What dog
man even is? I just boil it

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down to its most basic parts.
Man, I start by saying, where

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wolves are real? And that's a
fun little thing to throw in a conversation.

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I'll just explain. It deals with
sightings of upright walking canines in the

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state of Texas that are akin to
lockmess monster sidings or bigfoot sidings or chupacabra

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sidings. People seeing strange animals and
they describe them as were wolves. And

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there's some disagreement in the community over
whether or not the terms dog man and

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werewolf are interchangeable. I've heard and
gotten some pushback on that. I respect

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any perspective on that, because none
of us know for sure what this stuff

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is. But for me, the
terms dogmen and werewolf are interchangeable, and

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I'm not going to speak for anybody
else, but I know there are other

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people that feel that way as well. So that's essentially what we're talking about,

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dogs that walk on two legs.
To be very simple about it,

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have you ever uncovered a story where
the dog man is actually having a good

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day because they all seem like they're
having a really, for some reason,

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a terrible day. Yeah, and
no is the answer. And that's one

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of the themes that I like to
explore in this research is that time and

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time again, these encounters, either
these entities are described as very aggressive or

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seeming to be aggressive, they seem
to be very malicious just in the way

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they behave or the witness, and
or the witness is left feeling very unsettled

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by it, terrified. In some
cases, we have people reporting symptoms that

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are akin to like post traumatic stress
disorder. They don't sleep well, they

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have nightmares, they don't want to
go in the woods at night anymore.

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Sometimes they don't want to go in
the woods at all, because that's where

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a lot of these sightings occur,
and that seems to be again it's a

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recurring pattern. So no, they
don't seem to ever be having a good

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day. The only historical reference I
can think of, because that's another big

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part of what I like to incorporate, is the historical background of this stuff

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and potential precedent and like ancient literature
for it, is the wolver which is

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a Scottish werewolf that was very good
at fishing, helps lost people find their

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way home, leaves fish for like
hungry people on their windowsill. That's the

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only example I can think of a
benevolent dog man or werewolf like creature.

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But other than that guy, Nah, that's incredible. I've never heard of

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the wolver before. That's pretty cool. I'm gonna have to look that up

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because so that's primarily a lot of
my heritage is Scottish. When you were

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writing The Texas dog Man Triangle,
was there a account that you were most

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excited to be able to present in
your book? Yeah, Yeah, there

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were a couple. The story that
got me started on this stuff in the

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first place, like as a matter
of personal interest, witness who goes by

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the name of Trent Fulton in the
book, and he actually appears in the

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documentary in a phone call. It's
an early scene in the movie where he

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tells his story and he had a
roadside siding, which is pretty I prefer

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to it as an atypical dog man
siding because it takes place by the road,

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it's a fleeting glance, it's involved
in like holding roadkill or feasting on

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roadkill. You that in different areas
where we have concentration to these sidings seems

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to be something they like to do. This story came from somebody I knew

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personal who's who I'm related to.
And you read stories online and you read

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stories and books and you're like,
oh, it's really interesting that this person

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had this encounter and thought to report
it. I wonder what they really saw.

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When it comes from somebody who was
very credible and who has no reason

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to make this stuff up, who
didn't even know dog man was a thing,

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that's when it really for me got
me going. And then the story

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of James Witter, which is the
Plum Creek Monster out of Lockhart, Texas.

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That was a case that there wasn't
a whole lot of information available online.

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It was out there as like a
folk tale, and you could see

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some old newspaper clip things if you
dig enough. But James Wittter was one

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of the original witnesses of the Plum
Creek Monster, which was described as being

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a more hyena like version of the
dog if you like. Yeah, and

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he had repeated encounters with this thing, and he had stayed out of the

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public eye. He hadn't talked to
cryptozoologists or writers or anybody because he didn't

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like the way the story had been
handled initially, and so he really stepped

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away from it. And it ended
up being one of the most compelling interviews

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I did, not just on that
film shoot, but for that book.

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To hear this gentleman who didn't have
any motivation to try to cash in on

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this finally come forward and speak publicly
and share all the details with us,

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that is something I'll always be grateful
for. So those two in particular,

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there's a few I could go on, but those two always pop up in

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my head. First, Yeah,
was there anything that was just too intense?

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And it's almost like I don't even
know how to deal with this?

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Yes, and no, there are
a couple encounters that when I first read

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about them or talked to the witness, I was like, no way,

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I can't put this in the book
because nobody's going to want to read it

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at first. But I think that's
just your gut reaction as a person that

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tries to remain skeptical when you encounter
something that really subverts your expectations. And

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in every case where I had that
initial response to something where I was like,

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this is crazy, I would find
precedent for it. In other cases.

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There's a gentleman I talked to out
of Dallas who has been dealing with

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these things on his property. For
last I talked to him was a few

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months ago, but going on a
couple of years now, and he had

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a couple encounters where he had opened
fire on them at close range, got

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a very good look at them,
knows that he made contact and they got

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up and kept going. And when
you first hear a story like that,

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you're like, it sounds like something
out of a movie. There's no way

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this really happened. Not disbelieving the
guy, I thought he was very credible.

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When I spoke to him, he
struck me as very credible. And

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I still believe he is to this
day caveat everything I say with that.

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But then you read the story about
the Vider Werewolf, which took place back

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in the eighties, where the same
thing happened. This thing was showing up

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on people's property, harassing their dogs, allegedly killed several of their dogs,

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tearing up window screens on the outside
of the house. And the gentleman that

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lived there, Bobby Bussinger and his
wife Becky Bussinger. Bobby goes outside and

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opens fire on this thing with a
twelve gage from ten twenty yards away,

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maybe makes dead contact with it,
and it keeps coming. And this was

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documented in newspaper papers well before the
gentleman I spoke with in Dallas who goes

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by John Well before his story was
out there in the public eye, and

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he's spoken on podcasts a couple of
times. I believe he was at the

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dog Man Conference in Dallas recently.
If I'm not mistaken, really cool dude.

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I still keep in touch with him. Again, I do consider him

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to be very credible. But again, you first hear a story like that

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and you're like, this is crazy, But then there's other stories like that,

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So yes, and no, I
guess is the answer gotcha? Here's

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a fun question. A while ago
there was the Man Wolf Files, and

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I think there's a new season of
that coming out. Maybe you'll have to

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visit Crash Course Cryptozoology to find that
out, listeners. But there's a lot

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of videos that have been proven to
be hoaxes for dog Man. Is there

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any evidence over the years a bigfoot? We have our Patterson Gimlin film,

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which a lot of people will say
that's the best evidence, some people not,

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that's okay in the field. Are
there any really good pieces of evidence

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that you hold too? I believe
the answer is yes, other than an

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overwhelming and growing table of eyewitness testimony
from independent witnesses who many of which have

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no interest in the subject matter whatsoever. Jesse and Joe Doyle over at Hellbent

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Holler captured a thermal image last year. Before I'm getting my dates mixed up

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because I'm excited to talk about this. That is extremely compelling and if you

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haven't seen it's been out in the
public for a while. This isn't a

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spoiler, but if you go over
to their YouTube channel, it's in their

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Werewolf Experiment series where you see a
very striking thermal image of a tall bipedal

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creature with pointed ear what appears to
be Okay, it's when we're looking at

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thermal data and stuff like, it's
always up for interpretations. That being said,

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what appears to be a very tall
bipedal creature with elongated pointed ears.

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You can see what looks like an
eye. And because they actually captured two

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images of it and image one to
image too, there are some like variations

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where it appears at shifted positions or
maybe turned its head a little bit.

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I had the opportunity to visit the
sighting of that location very recently, and

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I won't say too much more than
that, but I will say just as

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a researcher watching that YouTube video interviewing
Jesse and Joe and talking about what they

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experienced that night and then visiting that
location, I'm as convinced as I can

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be of anything that that's a solid
piece of evidence. And what's cool about

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hell Ben Hollers, They're not going
to tell you, yeah, we saw

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a dog man in the woods when
you talk to them about it. And

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again, this is on their podcast, it's on their YouTube channels. This

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isn't news that I'm bringing into the
world. But when you talk to them

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about this stuff, they're very pragmatic
and they're very scientific in the way they

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break it all down, and it's
all possibilities. This is what we think

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we saw, this is what we
experienced, this is what this image capture

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looks like. But who knows just
a way to summarize it. So that's

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one that really gets me. Yes, I agree with you and Jess and

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Joe, so probably some of the
best researchers. I've spent hours talking with

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them outside of the podcast about stuff
that will hopefully be revealed in the next

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few months eventually. The amount of
time that they take talking to witnesses and

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researching would blow people away. It's
hours and hours outside of this is not

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content being produced, This is just
they I would put them at the top

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of people that are seriously just want
to figure out what is going on with

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the weirdness in this world, and
they are researching at one hundred percent.

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Speaking of the weirdness of the world, what do you think is going on

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with this whole Miami Mall thing.
I think it was just some people and

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it's the camera angle, and that's
what it appears to be there's a lot

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of chatter in the conspiracy subwaying of
the paranormal niche right now, and people

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saying that they were witnesses and that
they saw and it was actually this.

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And I've never one to discount an
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for God's sake. But there's a
lot of buzz around UFOs and UAPs right

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now, a lot of it.
And one of the most valuable commodities our

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society trades in right now is viral
content. I'm optimistically skeptical, but probably

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more skeptical about this one. There's
a lot of weird stuff going. There's

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a whole jellyfish UFO thing that just
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I had the same thought when I
looked at I'm like, this is

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something that could be done with a
drone. But also, I don't know.

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I don't know. Maybe someone took
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of themselves and figured out how to
affix it to a drone. I don't

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know. It could be something that
simple, or it could be a space

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squid. Charles Fork wrote about a
giant jellyfish in the sky. So what

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do I know. Oh yeah,
Crypti to the corn. That's what they're

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all about, is those those jellyfish
in the sky. For sure. When

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you were researching your dog man encounters
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when you were doing that, did
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other cryptids, like maybe Bigfoot and
stuff. You're like, I have

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this lead, but it doesn't really
fit in the book, and I'm not

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sure quite what to do with this. Yes, all the time, dude,

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it happened today, Oh my gosh, because I am still working on

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hunting grounds, which is the land
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it happened in Texas when I was
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so much with cryptids, but just
with other strange tales and odd pieces of

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Texas history. The US government brought
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before the Civil War because they do
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project was abandoned when the Civil War
started up. That's just a weird piece

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of history I wouldn't have known about
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in Kerville. We have a lot
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where there were Civil War battles or
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where there are said to be spectral
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the night. Just stuff I probably
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in that area, and I'm like, man, I want to revisit this

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later on and dig more into this
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itself, and there's a scene I'm
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I can. I believe it's in
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in the southeast coast of Texas.
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a gentleman and two ladies and they
see is it some Yes, that was

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Fort sam Houston National Forest. What
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Did you see that some balloons went
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the other day. I was on
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town Monsters. A little name drop
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screen like an emotion. That's assumed
thing. It was. Thanks streaming ard

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for ruining my interview. Cool dudes, all right, that just totally wigged

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me out. Okay, so sorry. Down in the southeast coastal area of

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Texas, there was an interview interview
you did with the documentary, and it

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felt like there was more to that
story down there. That was sam Houston

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National Forest, which is yeah,
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we hit all the points of the
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from Dallas to almost into San Antonio. We're in Canyon Lake, which is

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right on top of San Antonio all
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that was in the last leg of
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my car broke down after we finished
those interviews and we were stranded there for

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an extra hour and a half while
those very nice people you saw in the

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movie helped us fix my car.
That's incredible. Fun fact. Yeah,

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I don't think any of that was
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National Forest is a very strange place. We heard stories about like ghostly singing

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orbs and ghost lights, chatter about
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Like it's on my present bucket list
to try to get Alex and Eli

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down there and Seth. The more
the better. Just get one of the

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guys who are doing these regular Bigfoot
documentaries, try to get them into sam

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Houston National Forest, because we were
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we met with those those great folks
that you saw in the documentary and just

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more than I could keep track of. Bigfoot is a daily thing that is

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just something that people know about out
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that's just something people know about out
there. They don't see them every single

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day, but everyone who lives in
that area, it seems, knows that

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they exist. Yeah, I would
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Houston's the one like major city in
Texas where I've never actually lived, not

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the one, but of the Big
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I really want to spend some time
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ever consider doing a project where you're
just focused on Bigfoot or you feel the

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lock into this dog Man? Yeah? Right now, I'm pretty locked in

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on the dog Man stuff. As
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things are coming up that I'm like, I want to dig more into

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this, but there's not space for
it here. So maybe a third book,

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maybe a series of podcasts. I
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there's an end in sight, but
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I could see how far i'd like
to take that. So maybe after

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that with bigfoot stuff. Man,
there's so many people already doing so much

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great work in the bigfoot world,
like you, for example, Yeah,

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I said it, you can decide
if you want to edit it out,

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But I said, I don't have
anything that I could contribute to that that

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would not be a rehash of what
other people have already done. So,

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like I did a couple of bigfoot
centric episodes for Hay Strangeness, and those

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were a lot of fun. Like
we talked about Tom Slick, and we

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talked about hoaxes, and we talked
about some Texas cases that I thought are

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I still think are going to represent
it. But beyond that, I can't

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think of anything that I could bring
to the table that, yeah, I

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got you people haven't already done.
I'm just going to be making a list

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of references of podcasts and books that
I think people should check out and there's

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nothing wrong with that. Speaking of
a podcast, you have a very interesting

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podcast venture coming out through STM pretty
soon. Correct, Yeah, yes I

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do. I'm very excited about it. Can you share anything about that or

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yeah? No, Yeah, I'm
trying to think what I can say.

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I would like what have what have
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media, because I know all that's
safe. But no, the show is

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called House of Monsters, and it's
going to be different from anything that we

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have on the Small Town Monsters Broadcasting
Network presently. Right now we're running The

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Lord hosted by Heather Mosure, which
I produce. Fantastic show. Definitely check

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it out. If you like Bigfoot
Society, I believe you will also enjoy

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the especially old school Bigfoot Society.
Heather does a fantastic job of lining up

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guests and interviewing people, and she's
somebody I draw a lot of inspiration from

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when I'm talking with witnesses and experts. It's about different stuff. That's a

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fantastic show. And then also our
Wednesday Night they're currently on Wednesday Night live

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streams for Small Town Monsters, the
after shows for our weekly YouTube releases.

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Those are also podcasts, so We're
running two interview centric kind of shows right

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now. This one is going to
be more a little more produced. I'm

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getting to experiment with like sound effects
and background music more and it's going to

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be more of an essay style presentation, like some of what I was doing

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for Hay Strangeness back in the day. So it's stuff I started experimenting with

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over there, but it's finding a
home more on the STM network and I'm

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really excited about it. It's gonna
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I'm excited to hear it in the
future. That'll be man, that'll be

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a good time. When you first
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Oh, this sounds like a really
good idea. What are your feelings,

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if any, about hyena sightings in
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this is a fun one. This
is something that kind of goes along with

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dog bad research because how far into
that do I want to go? Myino

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is an attribute that you hear often
in these encounters. Not every time,

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and I couldn't give you a percentage, but like even recently talking to people

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in the Land between the Lakes,
hyeno came up a couple of times,

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came up in Texas a lot.
Linda Godfrey talked about it in some of

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her books, so it's definitely something
that is out there. If you have

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enough money, you can buy any
animal you want. I'm sure there are

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some limitations there. I don't know
where you keep an elephant or an orca,

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but it's not a secret. Take
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King, like, you can buy
any animal you want. So I think,

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at least in some cases, when
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hyenas that aren't where they're supposed to
be, big cats that are in places

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there are supposed to be, I
think what we're seeing are specimen z owned

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by private collectors who, of course
we're not going to find public records that

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they own these things because they bought
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there's some of that. If we're
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that's a whole nother dimension. But
yeah, so that's the thing, right.

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I've mentioned it more than a few
times before, but listeners, if

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you haven't heard Decrypted of the Corns
Hyena episode, it's really good. You

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should listen to it. It's talking
about how some of the dog Man sightings

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could be hyenas that are elusively in
the woods also, And you know,

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I've talked to a gentleman named Ryan
Trembley about he had a pretty much a

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hyena like dog man sighting out there
in Arizona. So that leads me to

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ask, there are different ways that
they don't all look the same, there

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are different kind of types of dog
man. Then, yeah, I see

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this. I've seen this chart floating
around online. I've seen different variations of

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it that are like the different the
different types of dog man. I think

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you you shared it recently, Jeremi. I wish. Yeah. I use

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your channel to keep up with the
stuff that's circulating because there's so many different

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places you can see it. It's
good to have one spot where things are

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explained to me. But I do
see this sometimes, and I get where

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it's coming from because you do have
varying descriptions. They don't all look the

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same. I don't hear tales brought
up very often. It either seems like

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witnesses don't notice the tale, like
it just doesn't pop into their field of

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view, or it's just not present. I've seen a couple where they're described

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as being like short bobcat style tales. I've only heard a couple where you

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hear of like a longer canine tale
like you would see on maybe a German

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shepherd or a labrador or some kind. Most of the descriptions I see of

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these things, the term German shepherd
comes up at some point wolf of German

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shepherd or both. The overbearing most
prominent physical features seems to be an elongated

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snout and pointed ears. And then
just off the top of my head,

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right behind that, you hear a
lot about illuminated or glowing eyes. Not

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always, but even when you're hearing
descriptions of them being hyena like, like

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maybe having a flatter snout broader jaws, you're still hearing these pointed ears.

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So there are a few things that
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but there are variations. Again,
like the story I mentioned earlier that

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comes from somebody I know. He
described it as looking like a razor's edge

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pit bull, which is a very
thick, broad muscular type of pit bull

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breed, which again you hear other
descriptions. I think a pit bull is

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on that chart that I mentioned a
moment ago. Can you tell me anything

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about the Land between the Lakes adventure
that you have, Yeah, I can.

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We shared some behind the scenes photos
on the STM account and on our

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personal accounts, yes, But basically
what happened, what had happened was I

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have literally done all day trying to
figure out how to concisely explain this because

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it's got a lot of moving parts, and I didn't figure it out.

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So I'm just going to go for
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three, myself, Shannon Lagroux,
and the Small Town Monsters team went to

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the Land between the Lakes and we
filmed the documentary dog Man Territory Werewolves in

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the Land between the Lakes while I
was doing research and conducting interviews for Hunting

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Grounds Dogmen of the Lakes. So
it's a similar, very similar situation to

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the dog Man Triangle and the Texas
dog Man Triangle, where it's a book

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and a film companion that the information
overlaps and they complement each other, and

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I'm able to go into more detail
on some things in the book that there's

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just not time to fit into a
documentary versus maybe, for example, there's

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stuff in the documentary where we actually
visit some locations that there's just no way

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to illustrate without a visual medium.
That's the overall synopsis, but it focuses

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primarily on dog man activity in the
land between the Lakes, which most folks

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when you hear those terms, you're
thinking of the notorious nineteen eighties massacre where

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some people were said to be killed. That's what we're talking about, essentially.

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I was excited when you guys,
when you and that there's going to

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be a book in a documentary about
this area, because it comes up in

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reference in my podcast every once in
a while, and I'm like, man,

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there needs to be a reference for
this. Besides having to go to

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different YouTube videos. This is not
I don't know, unless maybe I just

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don't know about the resource that's already
in print, but I haven't really found

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a lot. It's confusing because when
you start reading into this case, and

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I found that very early on in
just making preliminary notes for this book,

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there's a lot of information out there, but a lot of it is the

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same, and a lot of it
is regurgitating what other people have already said,

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tracing an origin point forward and getting
past that just regurgitation of the same

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story over and over again. That's
part of the challenge. Something that's brought

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up a lot is that that area
is just weird. As I'll get out

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and it is creepy, and people
disappear and areas are shut down for certain

406
00:28:00.160 --> 00:28:06.559
reasons because people get attacked visiting that
area. Can you say, yeah,

407
00:28:06.680 --> 00:28:10.640
that's pretty solid or do you think
some of that's blown out of proportion.

408
00:28:11.240 --> 00:28:14.680
It's definitely a weird place, dude. I'll plan a flag on that any

409
00:28:14.720 --> 00:28:18.240
day of the week. I would
compare it a lot to Sam Houston National

410
00:28:18.279 --> 00:28:22.720
Forest in that it's thousands and thousands
of acres of government land that is protected

411
00:28:22.880 --> 00:28:27.000
or people live nearby, but people
don't necessarily live in the thick of it.

412
00:28:27.000 --> 00:28:32.480
It's a very strange place. It
has a very checkered and colorful history.

413
00:28:33.519 --> 00:28:37.519
It's like with regards to the Native
Americans in the region, the European

414
00:28:37.559 --> 00:28:41.519
settlers in the region. Daniel Boone
was there in the early days, helping

415
00:28:41.519 --> 00:28:44.960
people settle. I found out just
this is just an aside, but I

416
00:28:45.000 --> 00:28:48.160
found out I may have had relatives
in that area when it was being established.

417
00:28:48.400 --> 00:28:52.039
And I'm still like researching that and
figuring out if that's something I can

418
00:28:52.119 --> 00:28:56.960
include in my notes, but it's
a very interesting area moving into the modern

419
00:28:57.039 --> 00:29:00.359
day. You had the formation of
the lab between the lakes where they damned

420
00:29:00.359 --> 00:29:04.960
the rivers and formed Lake Barkley and
the Kentucky Lake. It's the largest inland

421
00:29:04.960 --> 00:29:10.160
peninsula in the United States. So
even just historically, not even getting into

422
00:29:10.200 --> 00:29:15.440
the strange phenomena and stuff like that, it's a place that's like deeply saturated

423
00:29:15.680 --> 00:29:21.640
in history. In like people,
there are over hundreds of cemeteries in the

424
00:29:21.720 --> 00:29:23.440
land between the lakes. Some of
them are underwater, some of them are

425
00:29:23.480 --> 00:29:27.839
abandoned, not even touching on the
dog Man sidings, which there are more

426
00:29:27.920 --> 00:29:34.759
than just the notorious massacre story.
There are more, that's absolutely They've been

427
00:29:34.759 --> 00:29:37.920
talked to, some of them been
talked about on your show. Yeah,

428
00:29:37.160 --> 00:29:41.319
like, there are definitely more.
You have UFO sidings, some of which

429
00:29:42.559 --> 00:29:48.680
there are some really notorious cases that
are really hotly discussed in UFO and cryptozoology

430
00:29:48.720 --> 00:29:52.880
circles that are strikingly close to the
land between the lakes, just proximity wise,

431
00:29:53.640 --> 00:29:57.480
very close by. That's not a
secret. But there are a couple

432
00:29:57.480 --> 00:30:02.400
of cases that I did not realize
were within thirty miles of the Land between

433
00:30:02.400 --> 00:30:06.480
the Lakes until I actually got out
there. Yeah, for example, Kelly

434
00:30:06.480 --> 00:30:10.680
Hopkinsville thirty three miles or something like
that from where we were sitting. Really

435
00:30:11.079 --> 00:30:15.359
it's right there, dude. Oh
yeah, it's right there. And I

436
00:30:15.400 --> 00:30:18.720
knew that case was in Kentucky,
but like maybe just coming from Texas where

437
00:30:18.720 --> 00:30:22.960
everything is so far apart from everything
else, I didn't connect that was so

438
00:30:22.160 --> 00:30:26.480
close by. There are tons of
haunting stories, tons of ghost stories all

439
00:30:26.519 --> 00:30:30.240
over the place down there. There
are whole books just written about ghost stories

440
00:30:30.279 --> 00:30:34.319
in Kentucky, and you'll find multiples
that are in the Land between the Lakes

441
00:30:34.440 --> 00:30:38.599
or right next door in one of
its home counties. Deeply strange place.

442
00:30:38.839 --> 00:30:42.039
Yeah, just at a glance,
not even digging too deeply, just talking

443
00:30:42.039 --> 00:30:47.279
to a couple people. Deeply strange
place. Oh, it's weird, man.

444
00:30:47.359 --> 00:30:51.799
Like even just the interview I had
with Darryl Denton, he brought up

445
00:30:51.839 --> 00:30:53.359
some stuff that happen in that area. I was like, I don't even

446
00:30:53.400 --> 00:30:56.920
know what to think of that,
dude. And this is it wasn't a

447
00:30:56.319 --> 00:30:59.759
it wasn't even a dog man thing, but it was just like, there's

448
00:30:59.799 --> 00:31:03.960
some weird stuff that goes on,
like him and Martin Groves. Very cool

449
00:31:03.000 --> 00:31:07.440
dudes. Man. Yeah, I
had the opportunity to talk with both of

450
00:31:07.440 --> 00:31:15.000
them recently. Both great guys.
I could probably write a few more books

451
00:31:15.119 --> 00:31:18.440
just getting leads from them and spending
an indeterminate number of hours chasing them down.

452
00:31:18.640 --> 00:31:22.720
Yeah. Yeah, no, absolutely, will you be able to put

453
00:31:22.759 --> 00:31:30.440
a solid yes or no on the
dog Man massacre? What I did get

454
00:31:30.480 --> 00:31:37.400
to do is talk to many of
the researchers who've been very actively investigating it

455
00:31:37.720 --> 00:31:41.759
over the last few years, including
actually going into the Land between the Lakes

456
00:31:41.920 --> 00:31:48.039
doing hard cryptozoological research, talking to
witnesses who are from the area or no

457
00:31:48.160 --> 00:31:52.480
people from the area. I have
tracked it as far online as I'm confident

458
00:31:52.519 --> 00:31:57.279
anybody can. I have sought to
seek out sources independent of the Internet,

459
00:31:57.480 --> 00:32:01.720
which I won't go into too much. But I've chased it as far as

460
00:32:01.759 --> 00:32:06.960
I think I can chase it with
the information that's available and with the research

461
00:32:07.000 --> 00:32:08.480
I had time to do while I
was in the Land between the Lakes.

462
00:32:08.519 --> 00:32:15.440
So I'm hoping very much and I'm
somewhat confident that I can hoping to provide

463
00:32:15.480 --> 00:32:20.480
as comprehensive an overview of that case
as possible to allow people to make as

464
00:32:20.720 --> 00:32:25.400
educated an assumption of their own as
they possibly can. And I have opinions

465
00:32:25.440 --> 00:32:30.079
on the nature of that case and
what did or didn't happen. But it's

466
00:32:30.079 --> 00:32:32.359
one of those things that for me, it shifts every few days. I'll

467
00:32:32.359 --> 00:32:37.279
be of maybe more skeptical mindset one
day, and then I go back and

468
00:32:37.319 --> 00:32:38.759
I work on that chapter a little
bit. Right now, it's the longest

469
00:32:38.839 --> 00:32:42.000
chapter of the book. There's going
to be a lot of stuff in there.

470
00:32:42.200 --> 00:32:44.920
But I'll go back and work on
that chapter for a couple of days,

471
00:32:44.960 --> 00:32:47.160
and then I'm much more convinced.
I'm much more on that mindset.

472
00:32:47.200 --> 00:32:52.759
I don't like to arrive on conclusions
when I do this stuff, partially because

473
00:32:52.799 --> 00:32:57.279
I'm a coward, and partially because
if total conclusions were possible, my job

474
00:32:57.319 --> 00:33:00.759
would be very different. It probably
wouldn't be considered parent normal anymore. If

475
00:33:00.799 --> 00:33:04.960
we could arrive at hard, provable, scientific conclusion. I like to try

476
00:33:05.000 --> 00:33:07.920
as much as possible. I tried
with the dog Man triangle, and it's

477
00:33:07.960 --> 00:33:09.680
a matter of opinion of I was
successful or not, but I tried as

478
00:33:09.720 --> 00:33:15.319
much as possible to give the reader
a feel for that mindset of just being

479
00:33:15.839 --> 00:33:20.759
open minded and skeptical while also optimistic
as to the possibility. So I've tried

480
00:33:20.799 --> 00:33:24.000
to approach that case the same way, but there's a lot to it.

481
00:33:24.119 --> 00:33:29.200
Same style of writing in the second
book. Yeah, yeah, it's kind

482
00:33:29.200 --> 00:33:32.240
of be really similar. I like
it this one. The thing that's different

483
00:33:32.279 --> 00:33:37.160
about this one that I'm really enjoying
being able to do is it's a collection

484
00:33:37.240 --> 00:33:43.519
of different cases and reports and eyewitness
interviews. It's a research essay style breakdown

485
00:33:43.559 --> 00:33:47.079
of some of the background information and
the history of the area. I like

486
00:33:47.200 --> 00:33:51.799
going into I mentioned this earlier,
but I like going into history and ancient

487
00:33:51.839 --> 00:33:55.640
literature and looking at ways in which
what we're talking about now may have similarities

488
00:33:55.640 --> 00:33:59.559
to things that our ancestors were talking
about. So there's some of that,

489
00:34:00.079 --> 00:34:04.079
some editorializing on my part. But
then because I was taking notes for so

490
00:34:04.200 --> 00:34:07.559
much of this while we were on
this trip, it's also got the reader

491
00:34:07.639 --> 00:34:10.800
gets to go on that trip.
Like there are parts where I just write

492
00:34:10.800 --> 00:34:15.079
about what we were experiencing or where
we were, and I don't want to

493
00:34:15.079 --> 00:34:19.480
give too much away, but it's
also a travel log on my part in

494
00:34:19.559 --> 00:34:22.679
certain sections. That's been fun to
write because if you're trying to paint a

495
00:34:22.719 --> 00:34:27.639
picture for somebody and put them in
your mindset that's a very or how you

496
00:34:27.679 --> 00:34:30.599
felt when you were in the woods
or something like that. For example.

497
00:34:30.760 --> 00:34:35.760
That's very different from researching a dog
Man encounter that took place in the eighties

498
00:34:35.800 --> 00:34:37.440
that maybe did or did not happen. Those are just two very different styles

499
00:34:37.440 --> 00:34:42.880
of writing. So it's been fun
to explore that a little bit. And

500
00:34:42.920 --> 00:34:45.960
I don't think that's a spoiler because
in the behind the scenes pictures that we

501
00:34:45.039 --> 00:34:47.920
posted while we were out there,
I'm in the background taking notes and stuff.

502
00:34:49.480 --> 00:34:52.920
That's not a spoiler. But it
is different in that way because when

503
00:34:52.960 --> 00:34:55.159
I wrote The dog Man Triangle,
I was primarily writing about places I had

504
00:34:55.199 --> 00:35:00.360
already been a lot of other places
I had lived or lived near, so

505
00:35:00.079 --> 00:35:06.559
there wasn't really an element of going
and exploring those locations and visiting those areas

506
00:35:06.599 --> 00:35:12.119
because I had already done that.
This was very different because I had never

507
00:35:12.159 --> 00:35:15.920
really spent time in Kentucky or Tennessee
other than a few trips, definitely never

508
00:35:15.920 --> 00:35:17.599
spent time in the land between the
Lakes. Rather than pretend I knew what

509
00:35:17.639 --> 00:35:21.679
I was talking about when I didn't, I figure. I'll just be honest

510
00:35:21.679 --> 00:35:24.840
about it. Nice. Yeah,
I went here for the first time.

511
00:35:24.880 --> 00:35:29.719
This is what I saw. Are
we going to be able to get a

512
00:35:29.760 --> 00:35:35.000
hardcover copy of the second book?
Because I really liked the hardcover that was

513
00:35:35.039 --> 00:35:38.960
revealed this week yesterday, I believe
yes, as a Kickstarter reward. So

514
00:35:39.039 --> 00:35:44.199
we haven't announced the tears yet what
all of the rewards will be. We

515
00:35:44.239 --> 00:35:47.599
do have some more really exciting announcements
coming up really pretty much leading all the

516
00:35:47.639 --> 00:35:51.760
way up to this launch of the
Kickstarter campaign. We have more stuff we're

517
00:35:51.760 --> 00:35:54.079
going to be announcing. But one
of the Kickstarter rewards for the twenty twenty

518
00:35:54.079 --> 00:36:00.159
four campaign will be the hardcover of
Hunting Grounds. Yes, yet, that

519
00:36:00.239 --> 00:36:04.239
was my favorite thing I got from
the Kickstarter last year. Was Oh,

520
00:36:04.400 --> 00:36:07.719
thank to be honest, was I
really liked getting that hardcover book. It's

521
00:36:07.880 --> 00:36:10.840
crazy to think that is already almost
upon us. That's what next month,

522
00:36:12.239 --> 00:36:16.079
Yeah, February first, the live
launch stream party will be launching at seven

523
00:36:16.199 --> 00:36:21.760
pm EST, which is the same
time that the campaign itself goes live.

524
00:36:21.880 --> 00:36:27.079
I believe if you follow the link
in any of the Small Town Monsters social

525
00:36:27.119 --> 00:36:30.079
accounts, except for Instagram. Instagram
doesn't let me share links, but any

526
00:36:30.119 --> 00:36:34.639
of the other small Town Monsters pages
just in general, like, it doesn't

527
00:36:34.679 --> 00:36:36.920
format the links so you can click
on it. It's a whole mess.

528
00:36:37.239 --> 00:36:39.199
But yeah, you can actually head
over to the Kickstarter preview page and sign

529
00:36:39.280 --> 00:36:42.800
up to get an email as soon
as it goes live, so you'll know

530
00:36:42.880 --> 00:36:45.960
the very minute that happens. And
then the live stream is going to be

531
00:36:45.000 --> 00:36:49.400
a lot of fun. Man.
We actually announced this morning our friend Lisa

532
00:36:49.480 --> 00:36:53.039
of Lisa's Pod, Lisa's Pinata's she's
super cool. She has made some super

533
00:36:53.079 --> 00:36:59.559
neat custom stainless steel tumblers with small
Town Monsters stuff on them. I think

534
00:36:59.559 --> 00:37:01.639
there's five or six of them,
so we're gonna be getting those away during

535
00:37:01.719 --> 00:37:07.000
Mark Maski's Trivia Hour. You've been
to those live streams Mark Maski brings,

536
00:37:07.039 --> 00:37:09.639
He brings those deep cut trivia questions. It really does. Oh yeah,

537
00:37:09.840 --> 00:37:13.039
yeah, but no, that's gonna
be great. We love Q and A

538
00:37:13.199 --> 00:37:15.480
with the Small Town Monsters crew.
We're gonna running film previews, we're gonna

539
00:37:15.480 --> 00:37:22.519
be making possibly making some new announcements. Seth talked about this on the live

540
00:37:22.559 --> 00:37:24.440
stream last week, so I shouldn't
get in trouble for this, but there's

541
00:37:24.480 --> 00:37:29.079
more stuff happening in the background at
Small Town Monsters. There always is,

542
00:37:29.119 --> 00:37:32.519
of course, and we may get
to announce some other future projects during the

543
00:37:32.559 --> 00:37:37.280
Kickstarter live stream. So just gonna
be a real fun time. Yeah,

544
00:37:37.400 --> 00:37:45.000
I'm super super excited listeners if you
enjoy, even if it's only one project

545
00:37:45.440 --> 00:37:50.280
that STM comes out with, like
maybe one YouTube series, really I love

546
00:37:50.320 --> 00:37:53.800
them all, but let's say pretend
you only just love one YouTube series.

547
00:37:53.880 --> 00:38:00.559
This is the way that you can
help that content to keep coming down the

548
00:38:00.559 --> 00:38:05.760
line is to make sure that you
keep that you are a part of this

549
00:38:05.920 --> 00:38:10.800
Kickstarter and you get great rewards and
you help STM continue to make content that

550
00:38:12.039 --> 00:38:17.039
keeps the topic moving forward and also
be introduced to a whole new generation.

551
00:38:17.400 --> 00:38:22.559
I think that it's not the realm
of a reason to say that it's this

552
00:38:22.760 --> 00:38:29.920
generation's in search of or monster quest. STM is responsible for a lot of

553
00:38:30.599 --> 00:38:36.840
the newer generation coming out being introduced
to things like Bigfoot Dog Band through all

554
00:38:36.920 --> 00:38:40.679
the content that you guys are putting
on everywhere like YouTube, TikTok to be

555
00:38:40.840 --> 00:38:44.800
now, it's all over the place. So hats off to you guys.

556
00:38:45.079 --> 00:38:49.519
Oh thanks man, Thank you.
I was a fan long before I met

557
00:38:49.559 --> 00:38:52.079
and if you go back to the
very first interview I did with you,

558
00:38:52.119 --> 00:38:54.519
I probably spent ten minutes talking about
how great I think small Town Monsters is.

559
00:38:54.559 --> 00:38:58.599
Now to gets to actually be a
part of that and say we instead

560
00:38:58.639 --> 00:39:00.239
of them. But when I'm talking
about this, it's a rush, dude.

561
00:39:00.239 --> 00:39:05.239
So now, thank you. How
has that experience been being able to

562
00:39:05.280 --> 00:39:08.480
be on the inside. I know
that it was interesting for me. I

563
00:39:08.719 --> 00:39:13.639
used to be an a big time
Apple fanboy, and then I worked for

564
00:39:13.679 --> 00:39:16.000
the company for about six years.
How is that being able to be on

565
00:39:16.039 --> 00:39:20.920
the inside. I've made this analogy
before, and I think it's still apt.

566
00:39:21.280 --> 00:39:23.480
The first time I got invited to
go on a Small Town Monsters shoot,

567
00:39:23.559 --> 00:39:25.920
or really when I got invited,
or I shouldn stay invited. That's

568
00:39:25.920 --> 00:39:29.519
a weird word to use in this
context. But when I got offered the

569
00:39:29.519 --> 00:39:32.519
opportunity to write a book with Small
Town Monsters Publishing, I felt like a

570
00:39:32.559 --> 00:39:38.440
Stormtrooper cosplayer who had been invited to
the Skywalker ranch to sit down with Dave

571
00:39:38.480 --> 00:39:45.400
Filoni and George Lucas and Mark Hamill
and Jon Favreau and Kathleen Kennedy and just

572
00:39:45.800 --> 00:39:49.480
talk about stuff that we could make
for Star Wars. That was what I

573
00:39:49.519 --> 00:39:53.440
equated to. Then this year George
Lucas called me back and was like,

574
00:39:53.519 --> 00:39:57.480
that was great. Do you want
to work for us and do that stuff

575
00:39:57.480 --> 00:40:00.000
all the time? And I said, yes, that's the comparison I would

576
00:40:00.000 --> 00:40:02.239
make. But no, it's been
awesome, dude. Anybody that's ever talked

577
00:40:02.239 --> 00:40:07.400
to Seth or Heather, anybody over
at STM those they're great people. They're

578
00:40:07.480 --> 00:40:10.599
very authentic and it's a pleasure to
work with everybody. It's great, dude,

579
00:40:12.079 --> 00:40:15.960
Like I think it's it's been fantastic. I'm doing stuff for my job

580
00:40:16.039 --> 00:40:20.679
that I would be doing on my
own time for free. I can't think

581
00:40:20.719 --> 00:40:24.639
of many more things than that to
ask out of a gig. Absolutely,

582
00:40:25.559 --> 00:40:30.960
I'm I for one, am very
excited for when The Land Between the Lake's

583
00:40:31.079 --> 00:40:37.480
book comes out because you had ask
me some questions in prep for this book

584
00:40:37.519 --> 00:40:39.639
as well, and the questions that
you asked me, I was like,

585
00:40:40.360 --> 00:40:45.320
I'd never really thought of that before, and I'm really interested to see where

586
00:40:45.360 --> 00:40:49.559
he takes that. Thank you for
that. I'm curious to see where you

587
00:40:49.599 --> 00:40:52.800
take it. It's gonna be fun, man. Yeah, Like the same

588
00:40:52.800 --> 00:40:54.800
with dog Man Triangle. Shannon Lagroux, of course, was along for this

589
00:40:54.840 --> 00:41:00.000
one, so she brings a lot
of insight to the table that I'm just

590
00:41:00.119 --> 00:41:02.599
not capable of, because sometimes you
need an outside perspective on stuff. And

591
00:41:04.280 --> 00:41:07.320
it's gonna be fun. It's gonna
be a fun exploration. That might be

592
00:41:07.599 --> 00:41:12.079
the wrong word to use. I
hope that it will be a well informed

593
00:41:12.079 --> 00:41:15.519
and well researched exploration, but yeah, now it's gonna be fun. That's

594
00:41:15.599 --> 00:41:21.000
awesome, dude, Aaron. It
has been such a pleasure chatting with you

595
00:41:21.039 --> 00:41:24.599
again. I'm looking forward to hopefully
it sounds like you will be at Monster

596
00:41:24.679 --> 00:41:29.840
Fest too, I would imagine,
so, oh yes, I will hope

597
00:41:29.840 --> 00:41:32.920
to see you there. But can
you remind my listeners how they can keep

598
00:41:34.000 --> 00:41:37.360
up today best with what you are
doing? Yeah? Absolutely so. I

599
00:41:37.440 --> 00:41:42.280
managed the small Town Monsters social media
accounts and most of the stuff I do

600
00:41:42.400 --> 00:41:45.559
right now is post it over there
once it's fit for public consumption. Definitely

601
00:41:45.639 --> 00:41:51.480
check that out. The Wednesday night
STM live streams are over on the small

602
00:41:51.480 --> 00:41:53.519
Town Monsters YouTube channel. We take
audience questions. We try to do as

603
00:41:53.599 --> 00:41:58.679
much interaction as possible, so come
hang out with us over there. My

604
00:41:58.760 --> 00:42:02.639
personal Instagram for this stuff is Hey, underscore Strangeness. It's chillin' right now.

605
00:42:04.039 --> 00:42:07.679
It's there, but it's not often. It's not updated as often as

606
00:42:07.679 --> 00:42:09.679
it used to be, but those
are the places I hang out. Yeah.

607
00:42:09.719 --> 00:42:15.719
What if people have a dog man
encounter or sighting and they would like

608
00:42:15.800 --> 00:42:19.679
to share it with you? What
would be the best way to contact you?

609
00:42:19.920 --> 00:42:22.199
Ooh yeah, there are a couple. Probably the best way would be

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my personal Instagram. So, hey, underscore strangeness, shoot me a DM.

611
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If I don't get back to you
right away, maybe just comment on

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something and be like I sent you
a DA. You can contact us anybody

613
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at small Town Monsters through the small
town Monster social media We do have an

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email address, contact us at smalltown
monsters dot com just for any general questions.

615
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I've had a couple of people reach
out through that email address that had

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encounters that they wanted to share.
You're welcome to do that as well.

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But yeah, small Town Monsters is
on all the social media platforms, so

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whichever one you prefer to use,
you're welcome to hit us up over there.

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Awesome, thanks again for coming on
erin. Thank you man. It's

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been an honor here at Bigfoot Society. Our goal is to provide a platform

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for those that have encountered Bigfoot to
share their encounter in a safe environment.

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But we need to hear your story. If you've experienced something that you just

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00:43:15.880 --> 00:43:22.639
can explain, please send me an
email at Bigfoot Soociety at gmail dot com.

624
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Then we can start the conversation.
And I know a lot of you

625
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have not shared your encounter at all. It's been twenty years and it's time

626
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that you get this off your chest
and then you can get some well deserved

627
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for rest, because I know you
haven't been sleeping. I understand what you're

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going through, and I appreciate every
one of you listening