Driving An RV Across America to Find Bigfoot!

0:00 Welcome to big for Society. If you have Bigfoot activity to report from the same areas discussed in this episode, please reach out to me directly after this episode. And if you'd like to be on the podcast to discuss a personal Bigfoot encounter, please reach out to me directly at Bigfoot Society at gmail dot com. Do you wish there was more big for Society to listen to you every week? Well there is now. If you become a supporting member over at Patreon, you get a special members only episode every single week on Wednesdays, and sometimes even more episodes. Head on over to patreon dot com. Forward slash the Bigfoot Society, and now let's get on with the show. At Bigfoot Society, You've got the privilege of talking to mister Scott Violet today. You may know him from the groups Squatch America. I'm gonna read a few things about Scott he was nice enough to provide here.

0:52 He's a Native American cultural anthropologist and the founder of Squatch America, which is a national Bigfoot research group. Asert Storm Army veteran and travels the US full time in RV with his wife Hannah, investigating cryptids sightings and exploring Native American rock art related to Bigfoot lore. And of course they have their YouTube channel, which we'll probably talk about later, and it's a mix of science history and hands on research. Welcome to the show, Scott. How's it going, sir, It's going great. Thanks for having me. Absolutely. I do like to start out when I have interviews with individuals such as yourself that are really have been into it for a while. I always like to know what was it that first got you into the Sasquatch community.

1:45 Well, it goes back quite a way, is actually I was actually born in eastern Oregon, and I grew up in the Blue Mountains, which is heavily trafficked buy bigfoot and big Foot enthusiasts. I don't know if people are familiar with the Freeman film from the early nineties. I grew up fifteen miles from where that film was taken, so you know, Bigfoot folklore, I guess was pretty common in the area I grew up in. I but as a teenager I really didn't paid too much attention to it. I thought, oh, that's kind of cool, you know deal. But later on in life, after I became a Native American culture anthropologist and started working with tribes all over the nation. I started to notice the common theme. Every tribe of the nation has a name for these things, and they all have legends and stories and history, and particularly my expertise in Native American culture is pictographs. I learned how to read them all four different languages of them.

2:43 And when I started finding stories about Bigfoot on rocks you know that are hundreds of years old, that started to pique my interest a little bit. So after I retired, I thought, you know what, I'm gonna look into this Bigfoot legend a little bit closer. And as I started looking into it, and I set up a Facebook page to try to get stories from people locally. As soon as I did that, I got hundreds and hundreds of stories from people in the area, and I'm like, wow, there's a lot more to this than I originally thought. And then I started delving in and I got hooked. So I've been there ever since.

3:24 That's awesome. I mean, in this whole subject, it does not I don't think it takes much to hook you. If I mean it gets it just right, you're in it for the long haul. So you made a local group in the that was local to the Blue Mountain area. You were saying, yeah, wow, yes it did. You've got hundreds that you must have gotten some really wild stuff from that area. Oh yeah, and we still do today. We still get people telling us stories and finding things. It's amazing. So do you think that that area is definitely a active hot spot in the Blue Mountains current day?

4:04 Oh? Yeah, absolutely. We find footprints in that area almost every year. What a lot of people don't realize about the Blue Mountains of eastern Oregon, it has what is it, twenty six thousand square miles of forest that nobody lives in. That's a plus. But the upper end of the Blue Mountain Range runs into Idaho and into Montana and connects with the Rocky Mountains, and then the southern part goes south through the Ochico Mountains and connects with the Cascades, which goes south into northern California and then into the Sierras. It's a natural corridor between the two mountain ranges. So I think if they do migrate or move from time to time, this is the corridor they take. We're basically a hallway, you know, to get from the Rockies through the cascades, and so there is a lot of activity there, you know, and I think as they move is where we're finding bigfoot in that area all the time?

5:12 You know that That actually, that just opened my mind to a way I have not looked at the map before. And yeah, no, it totally it could. Yeah, it's a corridor from the Rocky. That's amazing. How does one become a Native Native American cultural anthropologist? Uh, lots of college and bills, student loans, let's count student loans, you know. Basically what I I originally went into college and I had well, first I had a career in the military, and then when I got out, I used my GI bill to pay for it. So that helped a lot. But what got me interested in it is I had originally had went into college just to go into anthropology in general, and I didn't really have a direction in anthropology. It's a huge field and there's a lot of directions you can go in it.

6:10 But luckily the college I went to, the professor there was really into like the Native American side of things, and our college actually had an archaeological day on a Native American village, you know, that was two hundred years old that we were sifting through, and it was part of our project every year to go work on this. And when I started seeing the pictographs and stuff in the area, I thought, wow, that was really cool. I really love the depictions. Plus my professor was also into Egyptian folklore, so we actually had a whole course we had to do on Egyptian picturegraphs, you know, and stories.

6:56 In fact, at the end of the year, one of our finals was you have to write. All you have to do is write your name on a piece of paper and turn it in and if I can read your name in Egyptian hieroglyphics, you pass. So we actually had to learn, you know, that detail of the Egyptian language. So when I started comparing that to the Native American language unlocks, I started discovering that, oh, this is easy to read, and I thought it was you know, a lot of the Native American pictographs are basically directions, you know, go up this mountain, there's deer rivers to the south, you know, stuff like that. And when I started reading notes, I'm like, oh, this is really cool. So I said, I want to learn this language. So that's what I got into it. So to get your degree to start taking classes. I guess I have to say and and and then you'll find the direction in anthropology you'll like to go.

8:00 Has there been an example of a pictograph that you've been able to see over the years that you feel is just a really good example of a sasquatch pictograph. Yeah, I've got three of them actually that I've found over the years, well four technically, but one of them is kind of a secret deal and the tribe doesn't want it to be revealed, so I don't talk about that one too much. But there's the famous one that was originally found years ago in California and Porterville. There's a life size a foot tall pictograph of a bigfoot family and it tells a story. And what's really interesting about that one is a lot of people's talked about that pictograph for a long time, but when I started looking at it, I noticed something I don't think anybody else had noticed. And there's two symbols on the bottom of the pictograph. There's like a story of a hunting party, a hunting animals gear near a spring, and they found footprints near the spring, and they had an encounter with a bigfoot family. Mother father and baby. But down at the bottom of it, I said, the hunting party and had symbols of an ancient weapon called an at level.

9:20 And those atlettl symbols are very interesting because the tribe in that area have actually stopped using or transition to using bows from at levels are like a spear chucking device, and they had transition to using bows almost twenty five hundred to three thousand years ago. So if this pictrograph still had at levels on it, that ates it a little bit, you know, so I can say that that's possibly you know, twenty five hundred to three thousand years old picture of a bigfoot's probably the first one that we've ever seen. And then I found two more with the exact same symbols on it. And the symbol for a bigfoot is a creature with short legs, long body, long arms, but the arms are always you see it, like out from the shoulders with the arms hanging down from the elbows, and that is to symbolize the size of this thing and saying it's big. It's like this wide, you know, it's huge. And then they never have a neck and it's in the head, you know, it's surroundish on top. But there's always a kind of a V from the head which shows there's no neck and which looks like what Bigfoot would look like to people today.

10:39 They have a longer torso than we do, the long arms, the huge bodies. So this depiction showing short legs and long arms is telling you that it's not the same proportion as a human. So I have found three of them. There's two an organ that I have found, and two in California. The one I can't talk about some California, right, the three main one three main ones are two in orgon in one California. So I want to clarify something. When you say the Porterville pictographs, is that the same one as the Tuley River pictographs? That's it? Okay? Perfect? Yeah, near the town.

11:20 So you have actually I didn't even think of that possibility. So you've actually found pictographs of sasquatch yourself in your exploration. Yeah. Two, Oh my goodness. I have a lot of people walk by pictographs and petroglyphs not even noticing that they're there. A lot of times, you know, like loss on the rocks will cover them up and things. But if you know what to look for and I've been doing this for quite a few years. I start noticing them almost immediately want to walk into places and yeah, there's there's one in the Blue Mountains of eastern Oregon, by the way, that it has three symbols on it. One of them is the bigfoot symbol. One of them's a stickman symbol. And the stickman symbol, I might add, is on the same one as the Tuley River one that they have stickmen on it too.

12:07 The stick man is a Native American you know, danger symbol. Basically, they don't even talk about them. If this is on a picture graph, that means danger. So it's got a bigfoot, it's got a picture graph of a stick man, and it has a picture graph of a circle with a line going into the top of the circle and coming off the bottom of the circle but not through the circle. And what that is is a directional symbol from Native American folklore. It's the it means go up the trail, go round the valley, because it's right there pointing out a valley, go around the valley, don't go through the valley. Danger bigfoot basically is what that story says.

12:49 This is absolutely fascinating, you know, I think most people are probably familiar with the Tuley River one, but I never thought of the possibility that there could be other form of these same pictographs found in different areas. You're saying the Blue Mountains of Oregon than another area in Oregon, some unnamed areas in California, California. Yeah, yeah, is the second Oregon? Is that in a similar geographic part of Oregon? Or are completely different geographic area of Oregon. It's it's in the southern part of the Blue Mountains, down in the Ochiko Mountains where it's a little more deserted there. You're still still it's still a mountain range, but it's more in the kind of the bad lands of Oregon. Is the one we found there which has it's got a thousand symbols on this one rock and it's basically telling this story. Well, what's really cool about that one is really caught my eye and I thought, this is the coolest part of this whole pictograph is it has two rivers that come together, and it has two symbols of two different bears on there in different locations on the rivers. And then what it does is on one side it has a large depiction of a bear claw, you know, a footprint of a bear. It

14:19 has that symbol there, and then next to it it has a symbol of a big foot track, so it literally points out the difference, we know, the difference between the bear print and the big footprint. And then on the other river it has a depiction of has the typical symbol of the bigfoot along river with deer there, So they saw bigfoot hunting deer by this river. The other river on the other side of the fork is where there are a lot of bears. So beware, it's really interesting the story that one tells. Wow, this is absolutely blowing my mind right now. I mean, both of those were in Oregon, were found down in the Blue Mountain area.

15:05 Yep. Big for society. Who will be right back after these messages? Oh man, are there even more instances of pictographs that have been found in Oregon as well that would contain U sasquatch pictographs in them? Not that I know of. I mean, there's been some stuff like there's a bigfoot face that was carved on a rock that was found near the Columbia River, but that's the only other one that I know of. I mean, I'm sure there's probably many out there, but they're probably hidden in the woods somewhere and nobody's just run across them yet.

15:54 Wow. Man, it feels like, do you have pictures of what you found? Are these available on you or your website or YouTube channel at all? Or yeah, they're on They're on our website and Squatchamerica dot com. Okay, well, definitely, we'll definitely have that LinkedIn in the show notes. Field. I'm probably just extremely late to this party, is what it comes down to. But I'm like, this is a really big deal. Scott. Scott's like I have known about this for a while. Yeah, yeah, this is cool. I love this. Did this stuff gets me jazzed up? And oh yeah, okay, so let's how about this. Is there a catalyst event in your life that happened that really kicked things off? It's like, all right, now, I'm going to take an RV around the US with my wife and really, you know, is there something that happened to you that really got you on board with all this?

16:47 Absolutely there is. I had I mentioned I started that Facebook page and started getting stories from people, and up until that point, I was probably after studying, you know, footprint casts, you know, some of the famous ones from the past, and some footprints that I had found after studying those and noticing the morphology in it, because you know, as you know, when you go through anthropology school, you know, you have to literally take a human body skeleton that's in a box and put it together and name every bone in it. So you get to learn, you know, how humans are made and how the history of human development and all that things. So looking into all this stuff, I was like, probably ninety five percent sure these things existed, you know. I always had a little bit of doubt in the back of my head until June of twenty eighteen.

17:49 What had happened was we got five reports from five people that didn't know each other in the same area in the same week, and I'm like, that's where I need to be, you know. So I was going out there. I had been out there for two days in a row, and I was going out for the third day and funnything happened on the way to big footing. Now there was my wife's one of her friends, her dad was having a birthday, and his birthday wished was a big footing because he'd never done it before. So they contacted me and said, hey, can you take this guy out big footing with you tonight? And then I'm like, it's his birthday, and I'm sure, no problem. I'd never met the guy before the day, you know, that day, So he hopped in the truck with me. We drove up in the mountains and we went hiking down this trail that I had checked out, you know, the prior two days, because that's where all these reports were coming from. And hiking along the trail, I smelt the worst smell I've ever smelt in my life. And I'm like, I've heard this described, but I've never experienced myself, you know, a wet dog, garbage and onions and skunk all together. So you know, it's kind of a really bad, pungent smell.

19:05 So we stopped and I'm like, oh my gosh, you know, where's that coming from? And we're looking around in circles in the woods trying to figure out where this is coming from. So I probably did the dumbest thing on the planet is because I was kind of new to it back in the day, and so I just went, ah, I growled off in the woods, and it mimicked me exactly. And that's when I saw this little head two hundred feet down the hill from me, and this little tiny opening in the tree limbs swaying side by side, and I'm like, oh my gosh, that's a big thing. And I got my camera up. I got one blurry picture of it, because you know, that's the way it works.

19:48 And then we heard a whistle off to our left and it ducked into the woods and vanished. So I spent three days there. We went down to where it was at and I found footprints where it was standing, but I found nine inch footprints and sixteen inch footprints. And then so I did all my archaeological stuff, you know. I set my camera up on a tripod where I was holding it almost exactly, you know, tried to get the exact spot shot a laser down through the trees, figured out where it was standing from the footprints and where the laser hit. The nine inch footprints was six foot tall, but the sixteen inch footprints behind it. I thought there was another one that I didn't see until I went back and we got until later on, even a couple of years later, I got somebody who had the technology to really enhance the photo I had, and there was another face behind it, the adult. I can't tell you how tall that was because it was bent over looking up at us. So that's when I had a Native American. I told this story to a Native American elder and he said, that's when Bigfoot stole your soul. Like, yeah, that's probably the case. So that's that was the pivotal moment when we decided to sell our house by an RV.

21:15 Hit the road. And you know, up until then, I had this little group called Blue Mountain Bigfoot Research, and we turned it into Squatch America and hit the road nationally and started following up on these stories ever since. Wow, that that is fascinating. What do you think the phrase Bigfoot stole your soul means? How do you take that? Well, there's there's two different ways to take it, and Native American culture is one spiritually, like Bigfoot literally took my soul that day, and that's why I'm looking for him to get it back. That's that's kind of an you know, I like to lean towards that one. I need my sold back, Bigfoot, I got to find you again.

22:02 But another one is you've just become obsessed. With this to the point where you're going to give up everything and do it. So, yeah, that's that's probably one of the or the two meetings that I can probably take from that. It's extremely interesting. You. Is it possible to give a roundabout area and this is something we talked about beforehand, but the area where this sighting took place or is it an area where you kind of give a nebulous region or. Oh no, I can tell you where it's at. It's if you go to the Blue Mountains. There's a little town in eastern Origon called Baker City, Oregon. And behind Baker City, Oregon, there's a road that goes out of town.

22:47 It's called Pocahontas Road, and it goes up to this place called Marble Creek. And this is that's where I had my sighting. Now that's Marble Creek. Road goes over top of the Blue Mountains, over the mountain on to the other side of the hill where this little town called Sumter is. Now. This area here is it's called the Alps of Oregon. The highest peak is ten thousand feet. It's not an easy drive. You gotta have a four whele drive to get up over this Mountain, so it's about halfway up on the Baker City side of the mountain. It's where I had my sighting. But it was also in a watershed area where you're not supposed to be, same as the Freeman film back in the nineties was in the watershed area where people weren't supposed to be.

23:38 I was walking the edge of it. I was legal, so I wasn't in the watershed area, but so this area, and it was about five thousand feet. So one of the interesting things I found over the years when we're getting reports a big foot, especially in the Blue Mountains and in the Cascades also, it's most of the sightings are over five thousand feet. That must be a line they draw and like, you know, they live above that, probably because not many people go above that. So yeah, so that's where it's at. It's in eastern Oregon, in the Alps of Oregon, outside of Baker City. Remembering what you saw that day, would you describe it as something that was more ape like in facial features or maybe more human like, or or something completely different.

24:30 I totally would lean toward more human. It looked more like a person than it did an ape. You know, having you know my background, I can, I can, I can. Let's go into what I think these are. Sure, absolutely, this is my this is. My working theory. Granted is a theory, but from what I saw, you know, if I had to picture what the skull looked like underneath the skin, you know, because I've seen lots of humanoid creature's skulls over the years, I would lean toward this is human. And I'll tell you why say this is human. It's just an older version of us that hasn't been extinct. And this is why.

25:23 And there's there's not this missing link that everybody says they're looking for. If we go back into human history, it wasn't you know, one thing turning into the other, turning into the other turning the other. That's not how it worked, and we know that through DNA even today. You know, that really kind of emphasized this theory that say humans started somewhere, there's always been a human and no, we did not evolve from apes. In fact, there's a theory today that maybe apes evolved from us, not the other way around. But there was always a human back in history somewhere that started and they had adapt So if you think about like a group of humans in Africa, you know, three million years ago. As their population grew, the area they lived in couldn't sustain them. So this group moved over here, and then they moved again, and then they moved again over you know, millions of years.

26:20 Well by the time they got into Europe, their bodies have changed because they're in a different type of forest, you know, different climate. They had to adapt, so their bodies changed over thousands of years. But they're the same people that started in Africa if you look at it that way, they just look different. So at any given time in human history, there's been you know, five to six types of humans that lived together at the same time. You know, we're Homo sapiens, but did you know we overlapped Homo sapiens with homofloor in sciences, which is actually newer than us, Homo higher Heidelbergensis, Homo erectus home in the Dali, and Homo neandital there's six that overlapped with us that were still alive while we were alive. And here's a big chocker. Did you know that Neanderthals are still alive.

27:21 That I did? I know? They've they've been able to find individual Well, this is what I've heard, individuals with pieces of Neanderthal DNA. I think that's real. Yeah, yeah, that is absolutely real. Okay, that is absolutely real. So Neanderthals came from France, and they came from the Acadian region of France, so they didn't go extinct. The French people bred them out. They're actually you know, we're talking back in the Palio times, but they are us. You know, they were in US. So if you're French and you're from the Acadian region of France, which i am, actually five percent of my DNA is naotal And if you want to know Acadians when they migrated to the United States in the sixteen hundreds, and they they're the French people speaking people in Maine, in Nova Scotia and Canada, you know, and then some of them migrated around the Horn in Landon in Louisiana and the word Akkadian got changed to Cajun. So if you wonder why Cadans are a little off is because they're part Caveman, you know.

28:38 So you know, I'm Acadian French, my dad is full blooded. I'm half Acadian French Cajun. So we bred them out, so there's still life. So why is today any different than it has been for the last you know, three or four hundred thousand years. We've always lived together with another type of human, another ad adaptation of us, So why is today any different? I believe that these things are us. They are a human, an older version or maybe even a newer version. It could be that too, but I would I would lean towards an older version of us that hasn't had to change or adapt because they're find the way they are and have been that way for thousands of years.

29:24 Okay, so this is very interesting. I'm going to go down this road with you. So it's it's fascinating. So in that case, then, so let's say you get these reports of things like infrasound and really interesting things. Is that saying then that maybe we forgot how to do these things or we. Lost it over the years, right? Yeah, So here's something very interesting. We get the end of the infer sound and and the whistles and stuff. I have recorded whistles, I've got recorded whoops that I have recorded. And one of the really cool things I did is I took a little bit different path. My wife has a her degrees in music, and she was a choir teacher and a vocalist and a voice coach, and her college professor, you know, same but with a doctorate, you know, is into choir and singing and stuff. And I played these whipping sounds for him and he about fell out of the seat.

30:38 Big for society. Who will be right back after these messages. Because oh my gosh, I hear something that you probably we don't because you don't do this every day. He goes, these sounds are in five octaves and humans can only do three. I'm like, okay, So we threw it in a spectrograph, took a look at it. Yes, they are in five octaves. What that means is they have one more fold in their vocal cords than we do. We have two, they have three, and so they have a higher and lower range of sounds they can make. Okay, And I was talking to the college So when I was talking to the college professor about this, he goes, you know, humans, some people are still born with those but typically we lost them over the years when we started becoming civilized and didn't need to make those sounds anymore.

31:44 So humans did at one time have the three vocal folds, so we have lost them because we don't need them anymore, like we don't need our appendix anymore, you know, over the years when when we started to become civilized and started doing agriculture and not you know, hunting and gathering anymore. I wonder if this almost explains how sometimes you have witnesses that say it sounded like it was this and this at the same time. Exactly. Oh man, this is blowing my mind. This is awesome, dude. Wow. Wow, I can't remember where, but I have heard someone else mentioned the double fold. You said double fold in the vocal cords, right.

32:42 Yeah, well they have three, they have threefold. Three, so trifold. Wow, that's wild man. I'm gonna be thinking about that for a while. So that just add to that a little bit. That's why I don't go in the woods and whoop at night, ah, because they know we're they know we're human. We can't reach the octaves they do. They're like, oh that's a person. Oh that's even crazier, dude. So yeah, like what so using that theory when we do whoops, we are it's even more of a giveaway than you know, using like ir it's probably very similar like, yeah, we're here, you know, Oh that's crazy. Unless you're playing an actual recording of a bigfoot, then you can kind.

33:28 Of get away with it. That's it. Yep. So how does how do the reports of infrasound play into this this theory? Then? Well, I you know, I think they do have infrasound because they have the ability to do it. I mean, they're not the only creatures on the planet that does that. Elephants, lions, tigers, there's a whole plethora of animals that have this ability there. They use it as an allow us to put it as a weapon, you know, because the reason tigers can do it or use it is that if you can growl so low that what you're growling at can't hear it, but they feel it, then they can. It actually shakes them to the core. You can put an animal into fight or flight and or shock. So if you put something into a shock, it's not it's going to be stunned for a moment. That gives me time to grab it.

34:36 So you know, that's why tigers do it. It'll put their prey in kind of a shocked momb where it just stands there and doesn't know what to do, and that gives the tiger more time and ability to jump on it. So you know it may be a leftover, you know, just hunting tactic that they use. Have you ever experienced that yourself? Me? Personally, no, not that I can recall. Well, I don't know, if you know, I've felt kind of eerie times in the woods that could possibly be it. But you know I can't, you know, Clete that because I I just recently got a recorded that it records infrasound, so we can see if I start feeling weird in the woods, you know, I can record it and see it. Yeah, is there an infrasound happening now? But but personally no, I can't say I have had an instance that did that. Now.

35:31 I've had screams at night that are so loud and terrifying that it made the kayak shut up, you know, so that's a different thing. But no, I haven't had the infrasound that I can recall. What's that in the Blue Mountains that you experienced that? Absolutely? Okay, Wow, I've experienced that out in Lane County near Oakridge, where it was like a scream slash roar thing really freaked me out. Dude. Yeah, yeah, that's is weird. I'd love to hear it again though, but it was. It was freaky. As I'll get out. It's like three o'clock in the afternoon. Yeah, that area is weird. So walk me through. Walk me through. When you are driving around the US and your RV with your wife for Squatch America, is what is kind of your your mission when you're I'm assuming you're going probably to different towns, maybe you have you know, you're going to different hotspots, So I guess I really don't know.

36:37 But yeah, we tend to go to where there's like different hotspots across the United States. But the thing about what we do is a little bit different. My truck has our logo all over sight of it and it says Bigfoot Research Team, and it's really audacious and stands out. And there's a reason I do that is because we can't stop at a gas station without getting a bit foot report from somebody is at the gas station gassing up, you know, or go to the grocery store. We'll come out of the grocery store, there'll be two people standing next to our truck ready to tell us their Bigfoot stories, you know. So that's what we use when we go into different areas. We belong to this like campground system thing that we bought into. It's called A Thousand Trails, and they have two hundred campgrounds across the United States.

37:26 So we can stay three weeks at a time at each one of these, and that's what we do. We go park the trailer, spend the first week getting bigfoot reports from people around the area, and then we spend the next couple of weeks. Our truck also has a tent on the top, you know, it's an overlander. So we'll leave the camp we'll leave the trailer and the campground, and then we'll just go off into the woods and spend two or three days at a time following up on the reports we get in the area. That's awesome, but what is there easiest. Let's say you're just driving to an area and you just all of a sudden, you find yourself in the middle of this like bigfoot mystery. There's tons of reports and you're like, wow, things are just clicking. Have you ever experienced anything like that in a certain area?

38:18 Oh? Yeah, yeah, we've run across in a couple different times. Crazy enough, it's kind of where we're kind of out right now. We tend to follow up on Bigfoot reports in Texas in the winter time because you know, it's nice here. It's like seventy two today, so you know, growing up in eastern Oregon, you know, I'm kind of done with winter. But so we had that happened to us down here. We stopped at this little area outside of a place called Whitney, Texas, and I wouldn't I didn't think that would be. There was some Bigfoot reports like on the Bigfoot Map Project and the BFROO site in that area. But when we got there, oh my gosh, as soon as the community knew we were there, I meant, the guy from the newspaper called us asked us to come down to a story they posted in a newspaper.

39:15 We got tons of report from this one area, and so they we went to this campground there there's believe or not, it's kind of weird. Texas doesn't have a lot of you know, national forces. Everything here is like almost private. But we did happen to find a guy who said, yeah, come camp on my land. I've got to see Bigfoot. All the time, and so I went and camped on this guy's ranch with you know, thousands of acres and lo and behold we found footprints down by the creek and all. It's kind of kind of weird. So that was one that really stood out. And another one is kind of close if you're in the Cascades there.

39:55 There's another time we went camping near Crater Lake and we had fire crews stop when they saw the truck. You know, stop, Hey, we heard this last night. You know. We had another guy saying, oh yeah, I hear them every night. You know, go up this road, which led us into something we've been actively doing for four years now. I try to spend part of my summer up there. Is that we found a spot. This was I'm not going to give you quite details, but if you know where Diamond Lake is, it's in that area. There's a road. I'll even give you the road. It's called Oh my gosh, I just went out of my head. Oh my gosh. Anyway, maybe I'm not supposed to tell you that, but there you Yeah, when to go past, that's what it's called.

40:53 When pass, Yeah I believe it or not. Yeah, So in this area, four years ago, after everybody's talking about this. We found this little pond that I'm not going to tell where this is a but we hiked up to this little pond and the only way into is hiking, and we found three sets of footprints. We found thirteen inch prints, nine inch prints and six inch prints. And it's something I'm really going to when I do when I speak at a lot of big foot vessels, and it's one of the things we talked about big vessils. But so that was four years ago and we go back to the same area every year. We found tree structures.

41:38 We've had a long distance sighting of one up on top of the mountain. We since then, I have found twenty one inch print. So we've got mom, dad and two kids. And we found our little guy again last year. We found his footprints near a different pond up there. And he's went from his six inch print two ten inch prints in four years. So so and we've been doing some also, some off the cuff things. We've been putting out puzzles in the woods for them. You know, we will stack rocks like in a pyramid, or we'll actually use those you know, those kids toys with the little round doughnutlook things and you stack them up on the stick and they form a pyramid. We put those in the woods. That's actually a cognitive test, by the way.

42:29 So we've been putting those out in the woods and sacking the rocks up, and they have been playing with them. They've been re arranging them in a way that you know, it's it's intelligentally done. It's not just you know, you're knocking it over whatever. So after we did that for a couple of years and we went back into that area, we started finding rocks put on logs for us and arranged five hundred pound rocks that we couldn't rearrange. So we're teaching them. I don't know what's going on, you know, with that, but that's that's an area that we've been. We've been it's been a hot spot for us for four years now and that's kind of one of our major research.

43:15 Areas scott Oddly enough, so this show gets some weird electrical stuff and sometimes the voice modulation it almost sounds like and right when you start talking about like moving huge rocks and stuff, it's like every time I'm like, I don't even I don't know if this is the government or if it's Bigfoot messing with my stuff. Oh, it's wild, but that's not surprising at all. I mean I take a lot of you know, reports from north to fifty eight in that area, kind of like going west over to Oakridge and Dexter, and I mean that whole area is just bonkers.

43:56 The word wind to go in Native American terms, is is a bad thing. You know, it's not a good thing, right, That's pretty interesting. It's kind of interesting that like it. You know, I've interviewed like seventy five tribes and I got the names for these things, and it's kind of weird that half the tribes is almost a fifty to fifty split. Half the tribes call them like benevolent brother, Harryman, you know, the other people stuff like that, but the other half call them like windigoes or monsters, killers, cannibals. So I think there's like there's good Bigfoot and there's bad Bigfoot. You know, like they're good people and there's bad people.

44:37 You know, have you found tribes where they call them both or it seems to be a one or the other type thing. It seems to be a one or the other type thing. And it's it's primarily the southern tribes are the ones that have the bad words for them, So you know the one you know, like in New Mexico and in Texas, here in Louisiana and down in Florida, their names for them tend to be I'm wonder with the Southern big Foot are just meaner. Big for society will be right back after these messages.

45:32 I don't know. I mean, going by the reports that I hear, I don't know. I kind of feel like it might be a little bit more aggressive down there, But that's a that's a discussion in itself. Do you ever go out in the Midwest, like Iowa, Nebraska that that part of the country at all. Yeah, Actually, there's uh Almah tried in Nebraska. Uh as they have they have a really interesting relationship with the Bigfoot there and in fact, they look look to Bigfoot in that area as almost a shaman. And it's kind of interesting kind of the the tribal elders and like the medicine woman tells stories that they will take whatever plants that are ripening in whatever season, they'll take those and they'll go into the woods and they'll lay them out on a rock and then they'll they'll wait a few days, they'll go back and then something will have removed some of them from the rock and left some of them there, and that's the stuff that works good for the medicines they need during that season.

46:53 Well, that's that's really interesting. And that's north of Omaha, like where it's referred to as Satanga. Is that the same? Yeah? Yep, absolutely, Okay, that's it. Gotcha, yep, yep, yep. Have you ever gotten anything directly from Iowa? I haven't. Okay, we haven't spent a lot of time there either, so. We we don't have a lot going on. We have a we have a little bit of a weird stuff, but not a lot. So that's I can understand why you wouldn't. I have seen in the past where you guys will do like bigfoot town halls. Is that right? Yes, we do and do that as often as we can, where we get into an area and we can look up with somebody, you know, to set up a place and time and all that stuff. But yeah, we do do that quite often. And that's where we're getting a lot of insight and reports from people in the areas that we're going to be in.

47:44 Can you take a few minutes to talk about what it takes to set up a big Foot town hall or any like you know, advice that you have towards that. Actually, it's a lot easier than I had originally thought it would be. They said, we need you need a little time to advertise it, and we try to set up you know, like I said, we can spend three weeks and places. So what we try to do is, you know, kind of get it set up immediately when we get somewhere, or if we can set it up, you know, a month or two ahead to get an idea. But basically we just find places like that have meeting rooms.

48:25 A lot of times there are bars, pizza parlors, place like that that have like these rooms in the back for meetings and things, and we'll you know, rent the space or whatever to do that, and then we'll try to advertise it in the local newspapers, on the local you know, Facebook pages and things like that, let people know that we're going to be there, and then if we can, we'll stick up a banner on the building if they let us, you know, saying when it's going to happen, and we've had crazy results. I mean, you know, it's a hit and miss I can say that, but we've had like one time we were we set up one in a little town called Cave Junction, organ and we're expecting, you know, maybe sixty seventy people to show up.

49:11 We had two hundred and eighty show up. It was crazy. And then yeah, the pizza, butther ran out of pizza that night. They were really thinking us that it's really you know, not a lot to it. And then but the most important thing and the hard thing to do is once you have the meetings is to get people to document stuff. You know, we'll have a map of the area. Well, we'll throw up on a table up front, and when people tell us their stories, we ask them if they can come up and market on the map, which really helps us a lot. And then recording it. We set up a video recorder and some audio recorders so we can get some good audio because I have when I first started doing these, I totally spaced that part and I thought, well, they'll come in, they'll fill out the sheet for me. Yeah they won't, you know, but if I can get them on video, I can remember the stories that way.

50:08 Okay, so that I think is a really I think that, yeah, that's a very good piece of advice there, because I found that with what I mean when I did a festival in Oakridge in July. I mean, it was it was overwhelming. I talked to people about their encounters for probably twenty four hours in three days. It was nuts. I loved it. But it's like, you know, you're writing stuff down on a map. But then, I mean, if I had been able to have people record their story, I mean, yeah, that would have been very very effective. Are these just for your personal archives? I would imagine then.

50:53 Yeah. We we have a database that we put stuff in that helps us to track these things. One of the interesting things about the information we get from it, and one of the things I use it for is if you got I always try to get dates in at least months. That's the important thing because after doing this, I know we're on our fifth or sixth year doing this full time. Is I put a lot of pins and maps, you know, but if you've got the dates on them, I've noticed that like, hey, this area is hot in March every three years. You know, this area is hot hot in June every other year. You know, and that kind of gives me something to go on, Like, if we're going to go researching area, I want to make sure it's when they're there.

51:45 That's interesting. You could almost figure out like migration times and stuff. Yep. Wow, Yeah, I'm still not sure about the migration thing. I think they they stay within almost like a two hundred mile area. I think they basically rotate crops. They're in like this part of it for one year, and then next year they'll be over here, and then next year they'll be over there, and then they'll come back to this, you know, three years later. Do you have any criteria that needs to be met in order for you to focus on a certain area spend three weeks there and try to set up a town hall.

52:29 Well, yeah, one of them is kind of mostly if it's going to be in an area that there is like past activity. You know, I can look look on the BFR site. You know. I'm not going to go to counties that never had a Bigfoot report ever, you know, like down in the deserts, you know, and in Arizona there's not a lot of activity there. So that's places we don't go. But I like to go to you know, doctor Jeff Meldrum has a theory that there's three big foot in any twenty square mile of a black bear habitat, So I kind of lean on that a little bit. So any areas that have black beerries are generally bigfoot areas, you know, same habitat. So we tend to try to lean towards staying in areas that there are black bears.

53:22 That makes a ton of sense. Out of the two hundred and so people that showed up at Cave Junction, how many or what's the percentage would you say of people there actually had an encounter to report? Oh gosh, I would say at least half of them, and probably I would say I would I would delete about twenty percent of those because some of them are like barely outlandish, you know, you know, I look for things that have commonality and bigfoot reports, like the smell, the hair, the way the face looked. Are there things though, that you'll hear in a witness report that'll make you be like, I like what I'm hearing right now?

54:05 Yeah? Absolutely, And you know, like like I said before, some of the commonalities, but the other ones it's kind of really weird. Is watch their face, in their arms, if they're if they start getting goosebumps and their hair stands up a little bit and they start a little shaking in their voice, they had seen something that changes their life and it still affects them today. So those ones that I really take a close attention to. How this is something that I'm trying to work through myself when I talk to people face to face, Like you're talking about how do you how do you handle Sometimes when you talk to a witness, they can get back into that emotional state and it's almost like you don't.

54:53 It can really affect them, and it's like how long do I want this person to be back in that state? I mean, I've experienced a few and I was really taken back by like this is way different than talking to someone over her phone. Yeah, that's that's an interesting question. And I'm not really good at it. But luckily my wife is a license psychologist. So well there you go, man, Yeah. So so, and she is really good at forensic interviewing and things like that. So when they started getting really shaky, and she kind of takes over for me, and she kind of knows the limits. You know, I don't want to put somebody through you know, PTSD, you know from doing this, but you know, but it helps to reassure them that you're here for them and that they're safe now and stuff like that.

55:52 You know, Scott, it's been such a fascinating conversation with you. I do have one another question for you here at the end. Okay, So let's say there's an individual and they're like, man, I really want to get out there and have a Bigfoot experience. Do you have things that you recommend people maybe to lean towards if they're going to go out and try to have and experience themselves, or. Yeah, one, do your research. One of the biggest best tools that came out recently is the Bigfoot Mapping Project.

56:32 It's an app you can download, you know, look on that and find the area that you want to go to has sightings and secondly, look at the months. I don't care if it happened twenty years ago or last month, look at the months and that's where you want to go. And one of the other things that has worked extremely well for us is to go camping. I don't go knock on trees, I know, go loooking in the woods at night. We just go camping and make a spectacle of yourself. You're not going to hunt down a bigfoot. You're not going to chase it down in the woods. Camo don't work. But if you get them curious enough to come see you, if if they're curious they want to check out the funny looking human people. So that's one of the things I do. I just go camping.

57:27 H That's that's great advice. I just remembered one that I forgot. I apologize. This is this is for the last one. How do you record infrasound? There's actually recorders that will record it. Really. In fact, there's even there's even an app you can get for your phone and infrasound recorder. The microphones will pick it up. Your ears won't, but it'll show you on a spectrograph. You know, you can even download that. It works fine. It will show you on a spectrograph the infrasound that you that you're not hearing. So okay, So it's easy is that just to start googling on looking on Amazon infrasound recorder, look at that apps and you'll they're out there. Okay, that's cool, that's cool.

58:10 All right, Well, Scott Thank you so much for taking some time out of your day to share what you've experienced over the years, and you know, maybe listeners keeping keeping eye out for their truck. You never know when you'll see them. But thank you so much for coming on the show. Do you mind taking a few minutes reminding listeners how they can keep up to date best with what you're doing. Okay, one of the best things is follow us on YouTube and we do three videos a week and that helps us out too with the views. So that's one of the ways we support this. So if you go and check out Squatch America on YouTube. We also have a Squatch America Facebook page and we're also on x So if you want to get a hold of us, you can go to our website and squatch America dot com and there's a contact form and there's also a Bigfoot report form, or you can just email us Squatchamerica at gmail dot com.

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