"ECHOES OF BIGFOOT: RELIVING MY UNFORGETTABLE ENCOUNTER IN GEORGIA!"

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Either your listening to the Big for
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time so far, so let's get
on with the show, all right,

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Big for Society. I've got the
privilege of talking to individual who contacted me

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recently. His name is Philip from
the Southeast Georgia area, specifically Savannah.

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And how's it going today, Philip? It's going well. How you doing,

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Jeremiah, Oh, I'm doing great. I'm excited to be able to

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chat with you tonight. We're having
a nice night in Central Iowa. It's

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probably one of the last few days
where it's going to be up in the

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seventies and we're just having a great, great day up here, So that's

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great. I know that it must
get a lot more bitter there as the

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months moved towards winter than it ever
does here. Absolutely, it can get

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viciously cold up here, probably a
lot colder than it gets down in Georgia

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for sure. But yeah, it
sounds I have a little bit of info

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about you, Philip, and it
sounds like you have some really interesting stories.

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But is there anything that you would
need the listeners to know about you

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before we start? I have you
start talking about your encounter, what you've

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experienced with Bigfoot over the years.
Yeah, give everybody a brief overview.

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I was born and raised here Georgia. I got interested in the paranormal in

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general at a very early age,
like about eight or nine, and my

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parents, for all their faults,
the one thing they seemed to recognize in

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me was this interest in that.
So I was literally getting gifts of books

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on things like that by the time
I was nine or ten, and so

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I was interested in a wide array
of subjects, from you know, spectral

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anomalies to UFOs. I remember being
so enthralled with the story of Spring Hill

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Jack when I was a kid,
and it just moved on from there.

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For a while. I got taken
away from all that as I became a

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teenager and interested in teenager things.
But an event happened in the Okinogi Swamp

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in my early twenties or well,
I should say mid twenties that kind of

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took me back to that area.
Then I stupped it all down again.

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And in the two thousands. Uh. Interestingly, the big Foot subject was

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brought back home for me through the
Rick Drick Dire hoax of two thousand and

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eight, which I was fascinated by. I mean, anybody with half of

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a brain up there would know immediately
it was a hoax, but I was

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enthralled with how this man was able
to continually wrote people back in. So

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yeah, that's what got me back
into the subject, and I've been hooked

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ever since. And and so pretty
much there we are as far as this

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subject. I'm a married father of
seven year old. I'm a I've been

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a chef most of my life,
run a hot sauce business. And other

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than that, you know, a
musician if you if you want it,

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I don't know if you want to
mention the name of your your Hot Sauce

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Company to Okay, it's a mouthful. It's a mouthful, but it should

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be. The company's name is a
mouthful because but it should be easy to

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remember if you're familiar with the Midnight
in the Garden of Good and Evil,

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which took place here in Savannah,
the book and then the movie and all

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that, it's the play on that. It's the Garden of Good and hot

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dot com and all of the sauces
that I designed are the names or plays

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on things that have to do with
that book. So currently the one I'm

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selling is called Minerva Sauce, and
Minerva was like the voodoo priest us in

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the book in the movie. That's
awesome. So listeners, if you're into

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hotsusses, definitely check it out.
Check out that link. The whole you

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brought up the whole Rick Dyer thing
for a minute, and it's it's such

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an interesting uh maybe we'll chat about
that later, but it's crazy. I

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don't know if you're on TikTok or
not. I don't take I mean,

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I'll watch a lot of a lot
of TikTok stuff, but I'm not actually

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a member. He's on there and
he's uh he's starting stuff up again on

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TikTok because it's a brand new audience. Oh yeah, you should check it

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out. It's it's wild definitely,
I will definitely look that up. It's

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very interesting. In supposedly is getting
a team together and they're going to go

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out and find Bigfoot again this time. You know, they're going for it,

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and it's it's very interesting to watch
it kind of you know, history

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tends to repeat itself usually these things. You know, all you gotta do

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is you got to wait ten or
fifteen years with big Foot, and it's

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enough time to forget. Yeah,
that's exactly right. We all have big

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forgetters. Now. Everybody was worried
in the future we'd all be thrown under

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the bus if we which is true. But then within your comeback can come

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within a year because people were just
on to the next victim by that absolutely,

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And like I mean, take for
example, the whole like Justin's Mayhew,

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like you know, an incident out
out in this years I believe,

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I mean, like no one really
remembers that anymore. And it's just it's

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it's wild, no, and it's
amazing how that's not that you know,

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that's not that far back, but
in terms of people's ability to keep things

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going in their memory anymore, it's
it's it's an eon ago, it is.

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And you know, who knows what's
to blame for that. Probably all

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the stuff we've been gone through the
last few years, or maybe it's our

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culture with w've got so many different
things coming into you know, from our

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devices that we just we forget easier
exactly, but our attention spans have been

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shortened and we're you know, I
remember one time I posted something that was

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literally just on Facebook of my own, just thoughts about a certain subject,

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and it might have been three or
four paragraphs. There were people literally going,

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good God, how is this think? You know, I think you're

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right. That has a lot to
do with it is where we're going in

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terms of communications. Yeah, it's
pretty wild. It would take me back

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to the first time that you had
some sort of encounter or some interaction with

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Bigfoot. Where does our story begin
with what you experienced? Is it okay,

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Jeremiah, if I real quickly take
people back to specifically that interested in

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Bigfoot, just oh yes, absolutely. When I was you know, a

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kid, I don't remember, seven
or eight years old, something like that

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my parents took me to this movie. I think it was called The Great

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Waldo Pepper, which starred Robert Redford, something about a pilot during World War

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One or some something. It's been
so long I couldn't really be sure.

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But back then we didn't just have
movie trailers. They would have cartoons and

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shorts, movie shorts, and there
was a short movie about Bigfoot. I

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had never heard of the subject ever, of course, not surprising being that

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age. And I don't think I
remember hearing any of the Sierra Sounds vocalizations,

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though some of them would have would
have been recorded by that point obviously,

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But I remember hearing what now in
my memory sounds like like the Ohio

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screams Ohio House, and seeing the
Patterson footage, and I just remember I

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was just immediately gripped, like part
of me was afraid, but I was

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also so enthralled with this. It
just had this dead certainty, even at

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that age, that there was some
truth going on here, even though I'd

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never been exposed to it. And
I remember thinking because that they were talking

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about the Pacific Northwest. Of course, that's all they ever talked about back

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in those days, seventies eighties,
and I just remember thinking, well,

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there's mountains in Georgia, because I
was just thinking in terms of mountains.

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Then we realized that's not even accurate
only you know, but I just kept

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thinking, there's mountains in Georgia.
I bet they're in Georgia. And uh,

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you know, like I said,
eventually that faded away. So I

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moved to Athens, Georgia. It
was kind of doing music thing during the

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nineties, and I kind of was, I guess, longing for some male

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bonding, you know. I just
I wanted to get a bunch of guys

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together, go camping, you know, get some beer, try to fish.

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Even though we were all poor anglers, we had plenty of ground b

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for burgers because we knew we probably
wouldn't be growing fish, and that was

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very true. It turned out we
did this for a few years, you

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know, I kind of round up
a whole troop of guys like that,

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maybe twelve fifteen guys, and we
did for like three years. And if

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my memory starts me correctly, it
was the middle year was nineteen ninety six,

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and this is down in the Oki
Fanoki Swamp. Were you familiar with

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that, Yes, I've heard of
that. Swamp before you. Okay,

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so far south Georgia, and even
part of it goes down into Florida,

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and it's the only place of its
kind in all of the United States.

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It is very swampy, although technically
it's considered a watershed. But when you

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go in there, it's just primordial. You know, it's the black water,

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the cypress trees, the Spanish moss
just dripping off of everything, and

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you know, huge blue herons.
It almost looked like miniature terodactyls flying around.

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Gators everywhere, there's loads of bear, loads of hog, loads of

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deer, and anyway, I was
the first day. We decided to take

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all the canoes out, you know, rent these canoes there and just go

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out of the canoes. And we
thought maybe the second day we'd rent motor

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boats so we can get further up
into the swamp. So that first day

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I was with my I wouldn't eve
Hi buy his first name. I have

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tried to find this guy on social
media and have not been able to.

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He was my roommate and a pretty
close friend at the time named Bob.

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And Bob and I got into a
canoe and one off on our own and

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the main Lake down there in the
area off of Fargo when you go up

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to the Stephen Fosser State Park has
called Billy's Lake, and it really looks

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like this very long, just kind
of wide river, and then off of

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Billy's Lake are all these much narrower
tributaries and shoot off. And we had

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gone off, we'd probably gone a
mile down Billy's Lake and then gone north

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of a tributary and been so long, but I'm guessing we probably went.

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Even though these things get narrow,
they just keep winding and occasionally they'll open

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up again. We went up maybe
a couple of miles up to this tributary,

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and we were coming back down,
and we were getting pretty close to

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where we would hit Billy's Lake again, to which we would have to then

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take a right to go back to
our destination. But before we got there,

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I would guess that the tributary was
probably eighty two hundred feet wide at

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this point, and we were pretty
much dead center and off to the right

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and ahead of us us and it's
a real hard guess about how far ahead

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of us. We were. Hearing
a bunch of commotion off of the bank,

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splashing in the water and stuff and
there's a lot of When I'm sure

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you've seen this kind of landscape,
there's all these cypress trees and cypersneeds,

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but in this area there's a lot
of other thicket there too, including yawpond

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holly and stuff like that, and
of course all the moss. And so

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we're both paying attention. Bob's in
the front, I'm in the back.

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We're looking over there, and I
started going through this catalog in my mind

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of what it could be. My
first thought was as an alligator at the

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bank, you might be catching a
fish, and then every other large animal

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that I can think, I went
through my mind, a deer, a

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hog, or a bear. It
sounded too big really to be. I

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know that small animals can make a
big rockets, like raccoons and stuff,

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and it really just in my to
my ears, it's sounded too big to

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be something like a like a raccoon, and they're typically not out as you

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know, in the daytime. And
we're getting closer and closer, and we

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so we get to where we're pretty
much perpendicular to this area on the bank

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where the sound is happening, and
I guess about forty to fifty feet away

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from the bank, and this thing
just stands up, and as it's standing

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up, it turns around with it
so that it's now like it's turning to

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turn away from us, so that
I get a glance of it turning,

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and then just moving deeper into the
trees. Very I got this feeling overall

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that we had disturbed it. I
don't know if it was getting a drink

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of water, trying to catch a
fish. But the main thing that struck

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me is there were shoulders, and
I could see forty feet is not that

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far. I could see hair,
but I could see through the hair to

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kind of a gray almost like literally
like kind of a brownish. It was

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like the hair was brown, and
even the skin looked kind of brown.

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Slump shoulders, but very you know, very like this thing wasn't like built

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like Patty. It was more ropey. But to me, I just I

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just saw these shoulders, and I
just you know, bears don't everything has

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some degree shoulder, I guess,
but they don't have these visible shoulders.

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I never got to look at the
face because it turned. The thing that

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struck me more than anything else was
probably that as it moved away from us,

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it just appeared so smooth, that
looked like it was gliding back into

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the woods. That's forgetting. We
were drifting away and having a WTF moment,

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and uh, somebody and I told
him about it much later, said

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why did you go back? Mike? I had no thought about going back.

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And you know, at that point, it wasn't into the subject to the

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point because it had gotten away from
me and I didn't expect this to happen,

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so I didn't think, oh,
go back and look for tracks,

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not to mention. I was pretty
freaked out, so was he. Bob

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was super freaked out. So we're
trying to talk about what we saw,

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and then we realized as we get
back, we're going back to camp.

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There is no possible way we can
talk about this with the gang because they

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will rip us to shreds. So
it made this agreement we weren't going to

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talk about it. We're just going
to try to do you know, the

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rest of the camping trip of the
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is Bob and I wrote down there
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of our friends were meeting me from
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down from Athens, and so Bob
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kept trying to bring it back up
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and he it was just clear that
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it, like you you know,
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that was weird, and not going
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message it's like he does not want
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forward I tried a few more times
as we still were roommates that he didn't

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want to talk about it. It
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didn't freak me out, of course. I was more like, wow,

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you know, this is you know, crazy, And I wanted for so

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long afterwards, after Bob and I
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roommates, I wanted to. I
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weird things. You would think,
well, that's going to be indelible and

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printed, But there are other things
that I have remembered that since I was

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a child, that I was jed
certain were the way they were, and

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then I would share them with another
family member or something. They go no,

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No, that didn't go down like
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of re editing things, and I
needed Bob to be able to verify what

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I thought had occurred, and I
you know, that's never happened. But

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still it was like, you know, I don't want to say hey because

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it's been so long. I know
I saw a bigfoot, but I know

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I saw something that was moving upright, was powerfully muscled ropey. It wasn't

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eight or nine feet tall in my
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and a half feet tall, and
it looked like it was on skates or

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something moving back into the woods until
it just disappeared very quickly. It wasn't

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running, but it didn't take any
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the funny thing is how much commotion
it originally had made and then it just

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seemed like it just silently went back
into the woods. And that's including stepping

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on, you know, a foot
of water, because that in those swamps,

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the water just doesn't necessarily disappear at
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everything stays really low, so you're
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long where you get on to completely
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it and there wasn't an open community
even then like there is now. We

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you know, I didn't have a
computer in ninety six. They were getting

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started, of course, but there
was just nobody to talk with. I

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had a lot of good friends,
but none of them weren't into any of

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this stuff, none of it,
and they were always like, uh,

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fills that conspiracy guy. They were
already laughing about me talking about cattle mutilations

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and stuff like that back then,
you know. So I just had to

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stuff it down and try to forget
about it again. Not that I really

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did forget about it, but I
did move on with my life from that

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point. When you saw the creature
like moving away from you, What kind

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of emotions did that did you feel
inside when you saw that? Well,

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more than fear, I'll be honest
with you. Even though I was overwhelmed,

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I never felt like there was any
kind of I didn't think I would

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have the guts to go back and
try to get on land if I had

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thought of if I'd even thought about
that, But I was just there was

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this just incredible, like holy crap, this is just landed. I wasn't

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even asking for this, and it's
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this overwhelming emotion of in a way, it was kind of validating the fact

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that all this stuff, the stuff
I've been into, but have never really

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had any validation for it. I've
just known about it through books and stuff,

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and so it was powerful for me
in a lot of ways. Not

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the ultimate fear that I saw my
roommate going through, but it and so

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that was the immediate emotion was just
it was just beyond like it's kind of

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rips your head open, like it's
how do you process this? This is

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nothing in my experience, even if
I've ever been into this subject, which

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is a kid I was, You're
just not prepared to have your world ripped

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open by something you don't understand that
completely just you know, comes along out

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of nowhere. I think possibly too. The only reason it occurred is because

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the water was glass smooth, and
we weren't paddling fast. We were just

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dripping, so we weren't even making
noise. As a matter of fact,

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if my memory serves me correct,
it stood up when we dropped our paddles

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down across the boat these were aluminum
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these things are like the ninjas of
the forest and sneaking up on one

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of them is almost impossible. I've
always thought it was Patty just taking off

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guard. I know a lot of
people say she was running cover for young

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and I don't know the truth of
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one and ten million chance that one
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you know. So yeah, my
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course for the rest of the I
you know, I did do my best

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to have a good time, but
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crazy scream how in the middle of
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I just chalk that up to probably
be being a fox. And once again

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we're going with memory. So it
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I started pulling up because I had
foxes here and they do a type of

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bark, but I know they have
more sounds of that. Now. I

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pulled up every kind of fox sound
and cry, I could, and my

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memory of what I heard did not
match that. It was way more powerful,

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way longer. It did sound almost
like a baby crying at certain points,

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but I just kept saying, well, that's a fox, that's just

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coincidence. I couldn't be another,
you know, situation like I just experienced.

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But I just remember I couldn't fully
be immersed into the guy bonding thing

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for the rest of the trip because
I was just I wanted to know more

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at that moment. I hoped that
my roommate was gonna get all jacked up

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about it with me and want to
find out more. And so that was

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in the end, it was a
huge disappointment. How how far away excuse

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me, how far away from your
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the sighting occurred. If I went
back to Google and just looked at it,

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I could do some guesswork. I
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before we hit Billy's Lake again was
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we got back to the big border, and then we would hang it right,

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and I'm just out of memory.
Without looking at a map, guessing

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it would somewhere be between maybe three
quarters to a mile back to dock the

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boats and then from there one hundred
yards to the campsite, so a little

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over a mile maybe, but that's
that's that's as the canoe moves, as

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the crow flies, maybe a little
less. So I'm not out of the

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question. I mean, you're not
that far away, no, you know,

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in that place is it is huge, and so if you look at

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it from that perspective, this incident
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on the other side of Billy's Lake. But I don't think crossing bodies of

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water is any problem for these things. Absolutely. I do know there's a

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lot of stories right in the Pacific
Northwest of people seeing them swim and like

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off of Vancouver, but I wouldn't
have thought about that at the time.

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And of course, you know,
the other thing that's fascinating to me is

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what are the numbers like. As
much as I respect Jeff melderm and I

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completely do, and he brings something
to the table that nobody else can,

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and that's his knowledge of the foot, you know, but I just disagree

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with the numbers. I just disagree
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ten thousand or whatever it is in
all of North America. And you know

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when you say North America, that
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I can't justify the fact that every
time I've gone in the last eleven

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years up to the Appalachian Mountains,
every single time I've had experiences or found

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some type of evidence. If they
were that rare, you wouldn't be you

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wouldn't be coming across it every single
time. Oh absolutely. Did you ever

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look more into see if there's any
other thing Bigfoot related incidents that happened in

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the Okinoki Swamp. Yes, so, I don't remember the year. It

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was sometime in the two thousands.
I think you can find it on the

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BFRO database, but it's pro believe
I don't see. Okay, he's big

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enough to where there's several different counties
mixed in there. Part of it's in

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Ware County. I don't think this
would be Ware County. But anyway,

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I'll look for it. I can
sent it to you, but it pretty

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much was a couple driving back home, I think, to Florida at night

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and going down between Homer. I
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There's a Homerville up in North Georgia, so maybe it's Homer, Georgia.

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Which that road is the road we
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to the interest to the swamp.
And they were they were driving down the

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road at night and they saw this
thing ahead right off the side of the

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road. It appeared to be eating
road killed and it stood up and it

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was interestingly the description of its height
and all that is I recall, and

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its look was kind of similar to
what I could remember seeing. They didn't

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they didn't want to stop, though. I think it was pretty shocking.

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You know. There's another account that
you can find it online. It's from

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like eighteen you've seen it. I've
seen it before. It was like it's

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like a big foot attack or like
they see you know, and of course

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there's no way that could be wild
fantasy. But I will tell you one

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interesting thing in that story. These
people apparently trek to what they say is

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like the very deep recesses of the
swamp. Well, I was going over

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Google one time and look into the
area where we would go camping and the

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general area, and then I moved
eastward more into the center of the swamp

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and there's an island called Bugaboo Island, and bugaboo is a similar word to

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like booger. Okay, maybe nothing
there, maybe nothing at all, but

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I thought it was kind of interesting
that word has come up. There's a

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few times that that word has come
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Yeah, yeah, I think there
are a lot of other stories from

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that area. But I don't know
if anything's really logged in with the BFRO,

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which we know is the biggest database
but by no means comprehensive exactly,

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and it's a thing where half of
it you can't see publicly, right.

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And I also like, I don't
know if you have you looked into the

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Bigfoot Mapping project as well. I
think I heard something about this recently,

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but tell me more about it.
Yes, it's another great database that one

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of my friends, Scott is running
up and it integrates things like the BFRO

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database, but he has a ton
of people sending him reports directly to it,

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and then he's just a really smart
guy when it comes to maps,

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And definitely I would recommend check that
out as well. Oh cool, So

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the big thing I know I've heard
about that recently, so I'll definitely look

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that up. Yeah, definitely,
bigfoot map, bigfoot mapping projects. So

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good stuff. Okay, great,
so that you know that I wanted that

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to get me back into all this, but it didn't because I didn't have

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anywhere to go with it. And
as we discussed earlier, it was two

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thousand and eight when I got back
into this subject in the most interesting way.

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Okay, my twin brother called me
up going and he's my twin brother.

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Hated for me to talk about bigfoot. He tried to micromanage situations where

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around relatives don't be talking of bigfoot
around I stuff like that, because I

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really embarrassed back. But he called
me up one day saying, I've got

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to put it on the news.
They found take foot in Georgia. And

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uh, you know, being into
the subject or not really being back into

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it, but of course still having
it in the back of my mind always,

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I was curious, but even then
just I get skeptical of stuff like

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that immediately, so I looked it
up on the Internet and shure it out

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there it was. And immediately when
I saw this ice box, I was

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like, this is hilariously bad.
And I couldn't believe that my brother was

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so into because he didn't normally went
into the subject, but for some reason,

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this was proof to him. So
then I had to dispel that that's

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what kind of got me, and
it's not kind of. It really got

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me back into the subject and even
into the subject of the anomaly of a

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person like Rick Dyer who could gain
this cult following and to some degree,

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I'm not saying the guy ever made
it richerding, but he must have been

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profiting to some degree off some people's
utter devotion to him. We'll be back

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with more big Foot Society after these
words from our sponsors. Yeah, there's

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definitely a huge allegedly there that we
want to throw out. But but yeah,

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I mean, it's it's a really
interesting story if you look into it

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and just you know you're looking at
and that it culminated in that documentary that

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that guy was like a probably like
I think, I'm not sure. I

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don't. I don't know that he
was an award winning documentary filmmaker, but

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I think he was had some writing
and I remember there was a lot of

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stuff that led up to that.
There was that intersection somewhere in Texas where

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there's basically a wooded area in between
all these highways and there's like a homeless

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encampment in there, and they're talking
about a sof squatch being in this homeless

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encampment, and I guess that's all
part of what led up to the documentary.

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Do you remember blair Witch Project.
They had like a whole documentary on

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the on the Sci Fi channel about
the Blair Witch leading up to the movie's

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release, which really gave it this
like it made people think this was even

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though it was being sold as fiction, it was based on a real story.

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And I think that must have been
sort of what he made borrowed from

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was the idea of interviewing these homeless
people and all this stuff. And then

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once the movie came out, that
was the because I remember finding that spot

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on the you know, on the
map, I'm like, well, that's

408
00:31:57.920 --> 00:32:07.480
about one hundred yards of woods surrounded
by freeways everywhere. So not that I'm

409
00:32:07.519 --> 00:32:14.039
not open minded to high strangeness when
it comes to in terms of possibilities,

410
00:32:14.079 --> 00:32:17.359
I don't embrace anything, but I
am not like I am open to very

411
00:32:17.440 --> 00:32:22.079
high strangers. I've even experienced a
little weirdness myself and as it's come to

412
00:32:22.160 --> 00:32:28.680
getting into this subject. But at
the time that came out, I definitely

413
00:32:28.720 --> 00:32:30.799
would not be open to the idea
of the big Foot somehow making it into

414
00:32:30.839 --> 00:32:37.200
a little green space that surrounded by
freeways on all sides. Sure, so

415
00:32:38.160 --> 00:32:45.640
I think the first foray I made
it out as the forest after two thousand

416
00:32:45.640 --> 00:32:50.279
and eight, so it's five years
of me just looking into everything on the

417
00:32:50.279 --> 00:32:58.279
Internet, finding some of the dominant
personalities and all the big stories like we

418
00:32:58.359 --> 00:33:05.880
all do. And I made an
arrangement to go up to North Georgia in

419
00:33:05.920 --> 00:33:09.039
twenty thirteen with some friends. We
weren't going to be rough and it we

420
00:33:09.039 --> 00:33:15.359
were getting a cabin, but the
cabin was in a pretty remote area west

421
00:33:15.640 --> 00:33:21.920
no east, northeast of hell and
Georgia, about seven miles east and then

422
00:33:21.960 --> 00:33:29.519
a little bit north. And you
know it was I found some interesting things.

423
00:33:29.559 --> 00:33:32.839
I found my first, I will
say my first possible It was definitely

424
00:33:32.839 --> 00:33:40.559
a footprint. The question is whether
it was a human footprint. It was

425
00:33:40.599 --> 00:33:46.240
on a sandbank on the Soque River. We left the cabin and then just

426
00:33:46.319 --> 00:33:51.160
kind of trek through the woods.
There were no trails, but we found

427
00:33:51.160 --> 00:33:57.319
a long abandoned logging road, and
we started to follow that, and the

428
00:33:57.359 --> 00:34:01.319
logging road went right along alongside the
bottom of the mountain, and so it

429
00:34:01.359 --> 00:34:06.920
was sandwiched in between the Soque River
and the mountain. So we knew we

430
00:34:06.920 --> 00:34:08.559
can go up as far as this
thing stays in between the river and the

431
00:34:08.599 --> 00:34:14.800
mountain, because we'll know how to
get our way back. So went probably

432
00:34:14.880 --> 00:34:20.079
up a mile or more up this
road, and eventually I found I found

433
00:34:20.119 --> 00:34:23.119
this foot track right on the sand
bank by the river. It didn't have

434
00:34:23.360 --> 00:34:31.320
any heal impression, It didn't have
any tread impression, and you couldn't see

435
00:34:31.320 --> 00:34:35.320
toes, but if there were would
have been toes on this print that there

436
00:34:35.400 --> 00:34:38.320
was a lot of sticks and stuff
right there. But I did film it,

437
00:34:40.159 --> 00:34:44.519
and it was about maybe somewhere between
a quarter and a half inch deep

438
00:34:44.559 --> 00:34:47.519
in the sand. So the time
I may have weighed about two hundred and

439
00:34:47.559 --> 00:34:52.400
five or ten pounds. So I
put my foot not too far next to

440
00:34:52.400 --> 00:34:55.519
it, and not only put my
weight down, but tried to actually push

441
00:34:55.599 --> 00:35:00.679
into the dirt as hard as I
could, which was I'm at sand.

442
00:35:00.840 --> 00:35:04.679
It was like a wet sandy bank. I couldn't get more than a couple

443
00:35:04.719 --> 00:35:08.599
of millimeters into the sand. So
unless you could argue that when the sand

444
00:35:08.679 --> 00:35:13.920
was dry, maybe it was easier
to make an impression. If it,

445
00:35:13.960 --> 00:35:17.360
at the very least, it was
probably a very heavy human and so I,

446
00:35:17.599 --> 00:35:21.039
you know, I was pretty excited
about that. I also found an

447
00:35:21.039 --> 00:35:24.320
industry hair not far away from it, which I promptly lost. I put

448
00:35:24.320 --> 00:35:28.800
it in a paper football that I
made, stuck it in a book,

449
00:35:28.800 --> 00:35:31.599
and then years later decided to go
out and find and just you knows what

450
00:35:31.639 --> 00:35:35.960
I did with it. And even
though there were a few other interesting things,

451
00:35:35.960 --> 00:35:37.239
that was enough to keep my anter. It wasn't a whole lot.

452
00:35:37.320 --> 00:35:40.079
There was enough to keep my actress
peaked. And then I went to the

453
00:35:40.079 --> 00:35:45.480
mountains again in twenty fourteen with my
wife and my dog to an area I've

454
00:35:45.480 --> 00:35:49.800
been several times out of the Fort
Mountain area in Georgia. You know where

455
00:35:49.800 --> 00:35:52.239
that is? Fort Mountain. I
am not familiar with that one. I'm

456
00:35:52.280 --> 00:35:58.599
familiar with the Blue Ridge area,
but Not Mountain is literally right below Blue

457
00:35:58.679 --> 00:36:00.519
Ridge. Oh, there you go. You know where the Bigfoot Museum is

458
00:36:00.559 --> 00:36:07.440
now, this is just west of
that. It's called the Cohut of Wilderness.

459
00:36:07.199 --> 00:36:12.039
And then there's Fort Mountain, which
is also a state park, and

460
00:36:12.440 --> 00:36:16.599
we got a cabin down a dirt
road. You can still look this cabin

461
00:36:16.639 --> 00:36:20.480
company up because I've been there a
couple of times. It's called the Wilderness

462
00:36:20.559 --> 00:36:28.000
View. And uh, the very
first morning we got up, I decided

463
00:36:28.039 --> 00:36:30.880
to get up early, let my
wife sleep in, go for a walk,

464
00:36:30.920 --> 00:36:32.960
take the dog. And we're not
we're not an off trailer. And

465
00:36:32.960 --> 00:36:37.760
then we're just on a dirt gravel
road and we're going up the road and

466
00:36:37.800 --> 00:36:39.360
I'm just going around to get a
layout and see what I can see.

467
00:36:40.079 --> 00:36:44.519
And suddenly this And I'm just gonna
say, when I say a voice in

468
00:36:44.559 --> 00:36:47.079
my head, I don't mean an
outside voice, like there wasn't some you

469
00:36:47.119 --> 00:36:50.760
know, other spirit in my head. There was just a voice in my

470
00:36:50.840 --> 00:36:54.079
head, like myself, telling me
you need to look down. And I

471
00:36:54.119 --> 00:36:58.320
looked down and there was a triangle
right in the middle of the road.

472
00:36:59.280 --> 00:37:04.039
And the triangle fashioned out of one
stick. It wasn't three sticks. It

473
00:37:04.079 --> 00:37:07.719
was a stick that had two breaks
in it, but they weren't enough to

474
00:37:07.760 --> 00:37:09.719
make it totally snap. That was
still part of the stick keeping it together.

475
00:37:09.800 --> 00:37:15.679
And it was perfectly formed into a
little triangle. And I found it

476
00:37:15.800 --> 00:37:17.719
very curious, so you know,
obviously I got some pictures of that.

477
00:37:19.199 --> 00:37:22.920
It could have, by chance been
a stick that broke and formed itself in

478
00:37:22.960 --> 00:37:28.639
a triangle and fell out of the
forest which was ten yards fifteen yards away

479
00:37:28.639 --> 00:37:30.960
onto the road. I don't know. But then other things started occurring at

480
00:37:31.000 --> 00:37:34.679
the cabin. I heard my first
wood knock in the middle of the night,

481
00:37:34.760 --> 00:37:37.159
so the back of the cabin went
down. There was a ravine that

482
00:37:37.239 --> 00:37:43.159
went fell back from the cabin down
into like a little creek area, and

483
00:37:43.280 --> 00:37:45.920
every night I'd sit on the porch
at night, late till about three or

484
00:37:45.920 --> 00:37:47.440
four in the morning. I heard
my first wood knock. It was just

485
00:37:47.480 --> 00:37:52.320
a lone would not it was loud. It sounded like could have been at

486
00:37:52.400 --> 00:37:57.239
least a half mile away, and
was reverberating through the ravine, very lonely

487
00:37:57.320 --> 00:38:06.760
sounding. And I my first tree
structure when we went up to Lake Conna

488
00:38:06.880 --> 00:38:08.719
Swega. I've never known how to
pronounce that. These are like, assuming

489
00:38:08.800 --> 00:38:13.880
all native names, but Lake Conaswego
or Lake Conasuage. It's at the top

490
00:38:13.920 --> 00:38:19.400
of a mountain in the Cohua Wilderness. I film my first tree structure there

491
00:38:20.559 --> 00:38:25.199
and got a I got some interesting
uh what I thought. Later, I

492
00:38:25.239 --> 00:38:29.960
got footage of what I believe are
a lot of different juvenile tracks in the

493
00:38:30.039 --> 00:38:35.039
mud, and I got that on
film. I filmed that. I never

494
00:38:35.239 --> 00:38:37.519
I've never had casting material. I'll
never go out like my pack stuff on

495
00:38:37.639 --> 00:38:43.360
make case I find a track.
So I just generally documented if I've got

496
00:38:43.400 --> 00:38:46.239
something with a you know, a
phone. Once again, a little bit

497
00:38:46.239 --> 00:38:50.199
more than went on in thirteen,
but enough to intrigue me. And then

498
00:38:50.280 --> 00:38:55.480
the next big thing that occurred to
me was in twenty and seventeen. We

499
00:38:55.599 --> 00:39:00.760
got hit by a hurricane here in
Savannah in twenty sixteen, and then we

500
00:39:00.800 --> 00:39:05.599
got another one in seventeen, and
this time we just wanted to get away

501
00:39:05.639 --> 00:39:09.920
from the city. And so my
friend owns a cabin up and saluted North

502
00:39:09.920 --> 00:39:16.360
Carolina right on the Green River,
and we went up there, and like

503
00:39:16.400 --> 00:39:22.840
I did at the last trip,
the very first, the very first morning,

504
00:39:22.880 --> 00:39:24.639
I got up early. It was
fairly the sun coming up. The

505
00:39:24.719 --> 00:39:29.159
cabin's pretty secluded up in the woods. There are a few other cabins,

506
00:39:29.199 --> 00:39:32.760
but this is a place where there
are no rentals, and most of the

507
00:39:32.800 --> 00:39:37.119
cabins are like vacation owns of the
people that own it, and they're not

508
00:39:37.280 --> 00:39:40.880
there most of the time, so
it's pretty pretty sparse. But I got

509
00:39:40.960 --> 00:39:46.239
up and walked what I believe would
be east of the cabin into the forest

510
00:39:46.360 --> 00:39:52.719
and went in about sixty seventy yards. And I am one of these people

511
00:39:52.760 --> 00:40:00.679
that, for whatever reason, smart
or dumb, I will do tree knocks.

512
00:40:00.800 --> 00:40:07.719
I did a loan tree knock and
I got I was about to walk

513
00:40:07.760 --> 00:40:09.840
away because after about thirty seconds I
didn't hear anything, and I was getting

514
00:40:09.840 --> 00:40:14.679
ready started walking back in the cabin, and I heard three very loud tree

515
00:40:14.719 --> 00:40:17.400
knocks further east of me, and
on the third one, I heard that

516
00:40:17.519 --> 00:40:22.480
familiar crack when a tree starts to
break, and then it came down and

517
00:40:22.480 --> 00:40:25.280
crashed and it shook the ground.
It was close enough to where it shook

518
00:40:25.280 --> 00:40:30.119
the ground where I was, and
that kind of spooked me. So I

519
00:40:30.119 --> 00:40:35.400
scooed back off to the cabin.
And since then, every time I go

520
00:40:35.599 --> 00:40:43.559
up to that place that cabin,
I have not had any sightings, but

521
00:40:43.719 --> 00:40:46.360
I've had what I feel is contact
with what might be a family group up

522
00:40:46.400 --> 00:40:53.079
there. And I've got hours of
field recorder recordings that I need to sift

523
00:40:53.119 --> 00:40:58.199
through and isolate the good stuff and
get it separated and into a computer.

524
00:40:58.239 --> 00:41:00.679
It's just still sitting in my field
record. Because I would go, I

525
00:41:01.159 --> 00:41:06.280
would go up from the cabin a
little bit uphill from it. This was

526
00:41:06.320 --> 00:41:09.320
an area that I felt, just
felt this feeling that something was going on

527
00:41:09.400 --> 00:41:13.719
up here, and finding a lot
of interesting tree breaks and things like that,

528
00:41:15.960 --> 00:41:19.320
and so you know, I started
hanging Like on the first night I

529
00:41:19.400 --> 00:41:22.000
hung up the tree recorder. I'm
one of these people. I'll talk to

530
00:41:22.000 --> 00:41:24.239
the woods because I don't know what
I'm dealing with, right, I don't

531
00:41:24.480 --> 00:41:28.920
know. I don't profess to know
what these things are or what you know,

532
00:41:29.000 --> 00:41:30.679
what I mean. And I've got
some friends that think there are forest

533
00:41:30.719 --> 00:41:35.440
brothers that are here to usher us
into some new asi of enlightenment. I've

534
00:41:35.480 --> 00:41:39.119
got other friends that say these things
are just pure evil. And I just

535
00:41:39.199 --> 00:41:43.960
don't really embrace anyone thing. And
I have to go by the idea that

536
00:41:43.960 --> 00:41:46.199
these things could be just mostly want
to do their thing and be left alone.

537
00:41:46.239 --> 00:41:51.920
Some be curious about us, and
some of them may be friendly,

538
00:41:51.960 --> 00:41:53.599
and some of them may not.
So anytime I go into the woods,

539
00:41:53.639 --> 00:41:57.800
I pretty much of course, I
only have the English language to work with,

540
00:41:57.840 --> 00:42:00.599
but I say, hey, i'm
here. You know, I'm come

541
00:42:00.639 --> 00:42:07.039
in peace. Basically, I'm just
curious, and so I let him know.

542
00:42:07.079 --> 00:42:08.519
I was hanging this recorder from a
tree, and one of the things

543
00:42:08.559 --> 00:42:14.280
I did was I wanted to put
it on a branch that was brittle enough.

544
00:42:14.440 --> 00:42:17.559
It was strong enough to hold this
lightweight field recorder, but brittle enough

545
00:42:17.679 --> 00:42:22.119
to wear high enough off the ground
where no raccoon could reach it. And

546
00:42:22.159 --> 00:42:25.199
if they climbed up the tree and
had to get on the branch to get

547
00:42:25.199 --> 00:42:32.559
to it, they would break the
branch. And so I was I have

548
00:42:32.679 --> 00:42:36.079
my cell phone going to say I
was recording with my cell phone. I

549
00:42:36.119 --> 00:42:38.599
turned on the recorder, I sat
it down a little bag and tied it

550
00:42:38.639 --> 00:42:42.679
off on the tree, and I
was talking to the woods saying, I'm

551
00:42:42.719 --> 00:42:45.599
just letting you know this is not
a camera. This is but it does

552
00:42:45.679 --> 00:42:47.960
capture audio. You feel silly saying
this stuff, but at the same time,

553
00:42:49.000 --> 00:42:52.719
I feel compelled to do it.
And so I was with my wife,

554
00:42:52.800 --> 00:42:54.960
and you know, it's nighttime.
I've got a flashlight, but I'm

555
00:42:55.000 --> 00:42:58.480
not aiming it out in the woods. I'm just keeping it down right in

556
00:42:58.519 --> 00:43:01.920
the immediate area below me, where
I can see what I'm doing. And

557
00:43:01.960 --> 00:43:06.000
I said, it'd be really nice
if y'all could leave me some sounds,

558
00:43:06.039 --> 00:43:10.000
and immediately, almost on the tail
of me saying sounds, snap snap.

559
00:43:10.719 --> 00:43:17.159
It wasn't like branches falling or it
was like clearly two sticks that were just

560
00:43:17.360 --> 00:43:23.719
intentionally snapped so quickly, almost like
almost ahead of what I said, And

561
00:43:23.760 --> 00:43:27.960
we heard it right there in real
time, and I could only guess that

562
00:43:28.039 --> 00:43:31.440
whatever that snap was, it was
less than thirty feet from us, And

563
00:43:31.519 --> 00:43:36.519
so then I started walking down the
hill. And then of course later I

564
00:43:36.599 --> 00:43:40.719
viewed itdn't sure enough there it is
the two snaps or just it's so I

565
00:43:40.760 --> 00:43:44.719
guess somebody could listen to that and
say that was just pure chance. But

566
00:43:44.760 --> 00:43:49.360
because all the other things on the
recorder stuffed, something touching the recorder and

567
00:43:49.400 --> 00:43:53.159
apparently it sounds like scratching the fabric
of the bag, the woven bag that

568
00:43:53.199 --> 00:44:00.840
it's in. And you know,
because this has two stereo candnser MIC's on

569
00:44:00.880 --> 00:44:02.320
it. You know, do you
have one of those kind of field recorders?

570
00:44:02.559 --> 00:44:07.440
Is like a task cam. It's
well, I had a task in

571
00:44:07.559 --> 00:44:10.000
for instance, is a zoom Oh
yeah, sure, yep, each in

572
00:44:10.119 --> 00:44:14.840
one so same same type of same
and exact same type of thing. So

573
00:44:15.719 --> 00:44:19.239
depending on where the way the MIC's
placed, you can tell if a sound

574
00:44:19.320 --> 00:44:22.039
is coming, like if you put
on earphones, if it's moving, if

575
00:44:22.079 --> 00:44:27.480
something's moving laterally through the air,
you'll hear it come into one can and

576
00:44:27.519 --> 00:44:30.480
then start to fade into the other
and then fade out from the first can.

577
00:44:30.920 --> 00:44:37.679
Tons of whatever flying horizontally towards the
recorder. And you know because you

578
00:44:37.679 --> 00:44:39.320
can hear the leaves. That's how
you know it's traveling. You can hear

579
00:44:39.360 --> 00:44:44.800
the leaves as it's hitting leaves through
the brush and occasionally hitting the recorder,

580
00:44:44.800 --> 00:44:49.719
and you can see the vu meters
totally spike every time. And then the

581
00:44:49.880 --> 00:44:53.320
loud tree NOx, I mean big, big tree knox. And then you

582
00:44:53.320 --> 00:44:59.639
know, there's one yell. It's
the only vocalization I've ever gotten. Is

583
00:45:00.199 --> 00:45:02.280
in the middle of all this,
in the middle of the night, there's

584
00:45:02.440 --> 00:45:07.960
one yell. We'll be back with
more Bigfoot Society after these words from our

585
00:45:07.960 --> 00:45:15.000
sponsors. And I just don't know
what to make of it, because,

586
00:45:16.159 --> 00:45:20.039
as I said, this is a
there's a few homeowners that lived there year

587
00:45:20.119 --> 00:45:25.400
round. This is not a rental
place. There is a zipline company not

588
00:45:25.519 --> 00:45:29.320
far away, so you can hear
the zipliners during the day, but that

589
00:45:29.360 --> 00:45:35.960
shuts down before nightfall. This was
at nighttime, way into the nighttime,

590
00:45:36.039 --> 00:45:38.119
and you could just hear this yell, I mean, and it could be

591
00:45:38.159 --> 00:45:42.880
a human yell. It's I'm gonna
pull the phone away from me and try

592
00:45:42.880 --> 00:45:46.039
to imitate it. Okay, all
right, so I don't spike up your

593
00:45:46.039 --> 00:45:52.920
recorder there, hang on. It's
pretty much like that. And it was,

594
00:45:52.960 --> 00:45:53.880
but there was. It wasn't a
company like if there was a bunch

595
00:45:53.880 --> 00:45:57.800
of guys Guslin beer, you think
they'd be yeah, you know, wasn't

596
00:45:57.800 --> 00:46:01.760
any of that. It was just
this one lone yell just and like I

597
00:46:01.760 --> 00:46:06.840
said, I need to get in
there, hook it up to my computer

598
00:46:07.199 --> 00:46:12.199
and get a good editing program and
isolate all this stuff, because you know,

599
00:46:12.199 --> 00:46:15.840
I've heard tons of it. I've
listened to a lot of Christopher Noel's

600
00:46:15.880 --> 00:46:22.360
recordings. And when I first heard
that, I wasn't listening closely, so

601
00:46:22.400 --> 00:46:25.159
I thought he was getting all these
knocks that closely together. And then I

602
00:46:25.199 --> 00:46:29.480
realized he had just isolated everything and
condensed it for the good stuff. So

603
00:46:29.480 --> 00:46:32.920
you're not sitting and listening to,
you know, just the crickets for ten

604
00:46:34.000 --> 00:46:37.719
minutes, because there is a lot
of that kind of stuff, and you

605
00:46:37.760 --> 00:46:43.719
know, I could go there are
other things that I've experienced, as you

606
00:46:43.760 --> 00:46:46.559
know, up in the mountains,
but I definitely go down here in Savannah.

607
00:46:46.599 --> 00:46:52.800
There's an area I go right outside
of Savannah where I find a lot

608
00:46:52.840 --> 00:46:55.440
of tree structures. And interestingly,
the other day I went there and there's

609
00:46:55.519 --> 00:47:00.119
one spot where because there's pine forest
everywhere in the fairy and that's right off

610
00:47:00.119 --> 00:47:05.599
the Ogeechee River, but there's an
area where all of a sudden, the

611
00:47:05.639 --> 00:47:12.039
pine forest disappears and it's just oaks
and other types of hardwoods, and and

612
00:47:12.079 --> 00:47:14.920
there's no undergrowth. Most of this
place, there's a lot of undergrowth,

613
00:47:15.000 --> 00:47:16.840
so if you get off trail,
you're tangling through a lot of stuff.

614
00:47:17.239 --> 00:47:22.920
In this place, there's no undergrowth. The trees are fairly distant apart from

615
00:47:22.920 --> 00:47:25.239
each other, so the sun gets
in and so in a way it's kind

616
00:47:25.239 --> 00:47:30.159
of beautiful, but it also has
a kind of dark, ominous feel to

617
00:47:30.239 --> 00:47:34.239
it. And I've only been back
in there once a couple of years ago,

618
00:47:34.280 --> 00:47:36.719
and I got kind of a bad
vibe in there, so I got

619
00:47:36.760 --> 00:47:39.599
out, but I went back in
there a few days ago, and leaning

620
00:47:39.679 --> 00:47:45.280
up against a tree is about a
five foot oak branch, I mean a

621
00:47:45.320 --> 00:47:50.400
pine branch, and there's no there's
no pine trees anywhere near the closest pine

622
00:47:50.440 --> 00:47:54.519
trees are probably hundred yards away.
I've in all the four years I've been

623
00:47:54.559 --> 00:47:59.679
going into this place, I have
never found another human being going. Matter

624
00:47:59.679 --> 00:48:02.239
of fact, very few people that
even go to this place. They don't

625
00:48:02.320 --> 00:48:06.559
leave the trail. They just walk
the trail. They're either doing power walking

626
00:48:06.679 --> 00:48:09.480
or they're with their kids. Can
you see the flowers? But I've never

627
00:48:09.480 --> 00:48:13.800
seen anybody get off trail, and
I definitely never see anybody in this weird

628
00:48:13.880 --> 00:48:16.119
part of the forest. And so
there's this and to me, sometimes it's

629
00:48:16.159 --> 00:48:21.599
that cool kind of subtle stuff that
you know, most people would walk right

630
00:48:21.639 --> 00:48:27.360
by and never give another thought to. Now there's some pretty crazy tree structures

631
00:48:27.360 --> 00:48:30.559
that are literally right off or by
the trails. And I can't say that

632
00:48:30.679 --> 00:48:35.199
humans didn't do it, because they're
not. They're pretty big, but they're

633
00:48:35.199 --> 00:48:37.880
not on a scale that a human
couldn't make it. And that's one thing

634
00:48:37.880 --> 00:48:42.079
we all have to consider that.
As this topic has gotten more popular.

635
00:48:42.199 --> 00:48:45.920
You know, we're occasionally getting punked
by people. You know, Oh,

636
00:48:45.880 --> 00:48:52.000
absolutely some. I mean you go
to Salt Fork, you know it's happening

637
00:48:52.400 --> 00:48:55.519
in Ohio. Yeah, exactly,
really popular places. You know, it's

638
00:48:55.559 --> 00:48:59.039
a good chance if you do a
tree dock there's some dude like, ah,

639
00:48:59.039 --> 00:49:05.360
there's a big foot guy trees on
back. And that's something I wanted

640
00:49:05.400 --> 00:49:07.519
to ask you about. So to
me, the whole tree structure thing,

641
00:49:07.559 --> 00:49:13.239
and obviously the Internet probably has a
lot to do with it. But in

642
00:49:13.400 --> 00:49:16.159
Mike we saw like the in search
of documentary or any of the other things

643
00:49:16.199 --> 00:49:21.280
that came about in the seventies and
eighties. No, there wasn't the internet

644
00:49:21.320 --> 00:49:23.119
so that people can share everything they
saw, every moment they see it.

645
00:49:23.159 --> 00:49:28.199
But I never heard talk of structures
back then. I may have seen some

646
00:49:28.239 --> 00:49:32.679
stuff about betting, stuff that look
like betting made out of foliage, but

647
00:49:32.719 --> 00:49:39.440
I never heard about tree structures until
like twenty ten. And I find it

648
00:49:39.639 --> 00:49:43.920
weird, like people always speculating and
you know, what do they mean?

649
00:49:44.079 --> 00:49:47.159
Like, I don't know what they
mean, but I do know that sometimes

650
00:49:47.199 --> 00:49:50.840
the fact that you can find them
so close to where people will be,

651
00:49:51.039 --> 00:49:54.280
are they not put there for our
entertainment or is it not put there for

652
00:49:54.280 --> 00:49:58.840
for the purposes of gaining our attention
so that they can observe us. I've

653
00:49:58.920 --> 00:50:01.960
just one guess, because I don't
think they're dwelling these TP structures, you

654
00:50:01.960 --> 00:50:07.440
know, especially a tepe structure right
off of a trail. Of course,

655
00:50:07.480 --> 00:50:13.679
that's not going to be a dwelling. So there are the interesting bettings out

656
00:50:13.760 --> 00:50:20.119
they found out in washing It.
Oh absolutely. So the the nest sites

657
00:50:20.519 --> 00:50:24.760
I think are really cool just because
you have you have it, so you

658
00:50:24.800 --> 00:50:30.639
know, the Olympic Project has brought
out, you know, primatologists from different

659
00:50:30.760 --> 00:50:36.079
zoos, and the primatologists have pretty
much said, hey, those are like

660
00:50:36.119 --> 00:50:39.679
what the great apes will make in
our zoos, right, And that alone

661
00:50:40.039 --> 00:50:45.679
is pretty awesome for me personally.
And I mentioned this a few times on

662
00:50:45.719 --> 00:50:57.400
the podcast. I have yet to
see an example of like a tree structure

663
00:50:58.079 --> 00:51:01.039
where I'm like, oh, yeah, totally Bigfoot. And it's because of

664
00:51:01.079 --> 00:51:07.159
this because when I was growing up, I lived at a summer camp and

665
00:51:07.199 --> 00:51:14.920
we had an outdoor skills week and
for years I would teach I would teach

666
00:51:15.039 --> 00:51:22.079
children and high schoolers how to make
what's called bushcraft, right, which is

667
00:51:22.440 --> 00:51:28.280
very very similar to like some tree
structure stuff. Now, the stuff I

668
00:51:28.320 --> 00:51:34.639
can't explain is when you have like
these huge sticks up in the air and

669
00:51:34.679 --> 00:51:38.159
it's like there's no way at a
log could have fallen and lodged itself up

670
00:51:38.159 --> 00:51:44.199
between two. I have no way
of explaining that. You know, I'm

671
00:51:44.239 --> 00:51:49.280
not sure. Yep. Well,
yeah, that's a good point. And

672
00:51:49.360 --> 00:51:52.199
so my friend John, who knows
I'm in the Bigfoot, but I don't

673
00:51:52.239 --> 00:51:54.559
know that he is, but he
lives up in Maine now, and he

674
00:51:54.639 --> 00:51:59.280
went to some area there and he
sent me this picture. So you know,

675
00:51:59.360 --> 00:52:01.519
a lot of tree will fork off
at some point, maybe four feet

676
00:52:01.599 --> 00:52:07.000
up, maybe eight feet up.
They fork into two still fairly large sections.

677
00:52:07.559 --> 00:52:14.000
This tree about eight feet up has
so many massive broken branches stacked in

678
00:52:14.079 --> 00:52:17.280
the fork, going up probably to
fourteen or fifteen feet. And I said,

679
00:52:17.320 --> 00:52:20.519
has there ever been a flood in
that area? And he said,

680
00:52:20.519 --> 00:52:24.239
no, there's never been a food
air. This is fairly good. So

681
00:52:24.280 --> 00:52:28.360
the ones that don't look like structures
to me are the more interesting ones.

682
00:52:28.400 --> 00:52:32.360
They're not even trying to imitate a
structure. Or I found a tree break

683
00:52:32.440 --> 00:52:37.360
in this place, and see,
because I've gone to this place so much.

684
00:52:37.440 --> 00:52:40.639
I pretty much know the trails and
what's off of the trails like the

685
00:52:40.679 --> 00:52:44.719
back of my hand. Now I
don't know the whole forest that way,

686
00:52:44.760 --> 00:52:47.039
because I will go off trail into
the forest, but there's so much of

687
00:52:47.039 --> 00:52:51.760
it you don't know it that well. But the hiking trails I know,

688
00:52:51.840 --> 00:52:55.519
and I pretty much I will recognize
things that aren't there that were or that

689
00:52:55.559 --> 00:52:59.559
are there that weren't there the last
time. So one time going down this

690
00:52:59.639 --> 00:53:02.719
trail, I literally had been there
a couple of days earlier. And this

691
00:53:04.599 --> 00:53:07.480
sampling, and when I say sampling, it's I don't want you to think

692
00:53:07.519 --> 00:53:12.000
of like this six foot tall tree
that's the half inch wide. It's probably

693
00:53:12.159 --> 00:53:16.719
three inches wide at the base maybe
four, but goes up probably twenty something

694
00:53:16.840 --> 00:53:22.320
feet and a good sixteen seventeen feet
off It was snapped, and this was

695
00:53:22.400 --> 00:53:27.199
not rotten at all. And you
know, you could argue, well,

696
00:53:27.880 --> 00:53:30.000
there was maybe a wind event,
but the thing is I'd just been there

697
00:53:30.199 --> 00:53:35.559
and there's been no wind event up
to that point. And even more interesting

698
00:53:35.679 --> 00:53:40.079
is right next to this sampling is
a sampling pine tree that literally is no

699
00:53:40.239 --> 00:53:45.360
wider than three quarters an inch or
an inch at the most just within like

700
00:53:45.360 --> 00:53:47.679
a foot and a half off of
this other sapling and I pushed it over.

701
00:53:47.760 --> 00:53:52.559
My pinky was so dry rotted.
Why wouldn't the wind have just totally

702
00:53:52.639 --> 00:53:55.920
knocked that thing down? So that's
interesting, like a snap tree that wasn't

703
00:53:55.960 --> 00:54:00.039
snapped or when you find Now,
what do you think about the Colorado Bigfoot

704
00:54:00.079 --> 00:54:06.480
stuff? Like I literally remember seeing
a video says he's an interesting character.

705
00:54:06.519 --> 00:54:08.239
I'm not saying I necessary. I'm
on board with a lot of his thinking.

706
00:54:09.039 --> 00:54:14.519
Okay, so it's just a sorry
to find Colorado Bigfoot stuff because I

707
00:54:14.599 --> 00:54:19.320
thought you were talking about the whole
train video thing. No, no,

708
00:54:19.320 --> 00:54:22.320
no, no, no, no. This guy, I'll just call him

709
00:54:22.360 --> 00:54:25.079
Mark. He's been doing it for
years. He goes up eleven twelve outand

710
00:54:25.119 --> 00:54:32.400
feet. He's definitely an individual a
character, but he has you know,

711
00:54:32.519 --> 00:54:37.440
he's just trekking. He's not going
on any trails. He goes miles in

712
00:54:37.760 --> 00:54:42.280
on one day and then finds his
way back out. I literally saw him

713
00:54:42.280 --> 00:54:47.639
film. It was a whole tree
that had apparently been ripped out of the

714
00:54:47.679 --> 00:54:55.280
ground by the roots and was woven
like horizontally with the ground, woven between

715
00:54:55.400 --> 00:55:00.119
other standing trees, and then We're
talking a good seventy foot tree. Like

716
00:55:00.199 --> 00:55:05.280
there's no machinery up there, there's
no like equipment. And when you look

717
00:55:05.320 --> 00:55:09.599
at his videos, there's just so
much down tree strup It's like there's there's

718
00:55:09.639 --> 00:55:15.119
ten times down trees for every standing
tree, and so many of them if

719
00:55:15.159 --> 00:55:16.400
you look at them. That's the
one thing I always look for when I

720
00:55:16.440 --> 00:55:22.239
find stuff with a down tree is
the root ball at the base? Is

721
00:55:22.280 --> 00:55:25.039
there a dead root ball right near
with the base of the trios? And

722
00:55:25.199 --> 00:55:28.719
a lot of the stuff he fails, there is no root balls anywhere.

723
00:55:28.880 --> 00:55:32.239
It's almost as if these things have
been pulled in and used for later construction.

724
00:55:32.360 --> 00:55:36.920
And the arches, the x'es and
the arches and the things that he

725
00:55:37.039 --> 00:55:39.639
finds are on such a massive scale. I've never seen anything like that here

726
00:55:39.679 --> 00:55:45.280
in the Southeast, Like, and
they're just so numerous. If you have

727
00:55:45.440 --> 00:55:46.559
you may know who I'm talking about. But if you haven't, you got

728
00:55:46.599 --> 00:55:50.280
to check out his videos. I
actually have, or even just pull up

729
00:55:50.320 --> 00:55:52.239
a compilation video. I haven't heard
of this guy yet, so I'll have

730
00:55:52.280 --> 00:55:55.679
to check him out. Is his
user name like Colorado Bigfair or something like

731
00:55:55.679 --> 00:55:59.960
that, or is Colorado Bigfoot as
the user name, and I just bought

732
00:56:00.079 --> 00:56:04.599
Well, his name is Mark with
a C I think a marc able ab

733
00:56:04.920 --> 00:56:07.119
e e L. He has a
lot of detractors because they don't like his

734
00:56:07.280 --> 00:56:10.719
theories about what these things are,
huh. And it to me, it's

735
00:56:10.760 --> 00:56:14.559
like, well, I don't have
to agree with him about his theories that

736
00:56:14.639 --> 00:56:16.480
I may or may not. But
it's just the cameras. It's just what

737
00:56:16.599 --> 00:56:22.840
the cameras find it the video footage, it's it's it's insane. It's you

738
00:56:22.880 --> 00:56:25.119
know, here, I can't say
that like if I tell you I find

739
00:56:25.159 --> 00:56:28.400
a structure, like I'm going to
say, well, I don't know whether

740
00:56:28.480 --> 00:56:30.719
this was human made or not,
because everything I've ever found in here could

741
00:56:30.800 --> 00:56:36.840
easily be made by a human,
you know, right, absolutely, Yeah,

742
00:56:36.840 --> 00:56:39.599
I have to check that out.
That sounds very interesting. Yeah,

743
00:56:39.719 --> 00:56:44.599
it seems like the Colorado and you
don't even see this up in at least

744
00:56:44.639 --> 00:56:49.760
in terms of the people that I
follow. The structure stuff in the elevations

745
00:56:49.800 --> 00:56:54.480
of Colorado and Utah for some reason
or just on a scale that's completely different

746
00:56:54.559 --> 00:57:00.400
than almost any other area that I've
seen. Somebody film maybe submit and things

747
00:57:00.400 --> 00:57:05.960
like that in Arizona and stuff too, though, or New Mexico. But

748
00:57:06.840 --> 00:57:07.719
yeah, I don't know. I
don't know what to make of it.

749
00:57:07.800 --> 00:57:13.159
But it's it's right there on the
camera he's filming, and you're watching and

750
00:57:13.199 --> 00:57:15.719
you're just so, oh my god. I've never seen this kind of scale

751
00:57:15.760 --> 00:57:21.960
of down trees and loops and arches
and X structures and X structures on top

752
00:57:22.000 --> 00:57:25.599
of X structures. It's just it's
absolutely insane. Wow. I mean,

753
00:57:27.039 --> 00:57:29.679
listeners, if you've if you've watched
this guy, let me know in the

754
00:57:29.679 --> 00:57:32.360
comments, what you think about what
you've seen on his channel, what you

755
00:57:32.400 --> 00:57:42.079
think about the stuff he's filming.
Could be some interesting conversation. But Philip,

756
00:57:42.159 --> 00:57:44.440
it's been it's been a fun chat. Man. I don't get to

757
00:57:44.440 --> 00:57:49.159
do a lot of Georgia episodes,
but man, you guys have some really

758
00:57:49.159 --> 00:57:52.719
interesting things going on out there.
Yeah, I think so. And you

759
00:57:52.760 --> 00:57:58.760
know, even though I think it's
also happening down here in Southeast Georgia,

760
00:57:59.639 --> 00:58:02.920
there is a difference to me,
the activity level in North Carolina, Georgia,

761
00:58:04.000 --> 00:58:07.760
Tennessee. To me, it's almost
like whatever's there is a little bit

762
00:58:07.760 --> 00:58:12.760
more bold. Maybe because you're in
the mountains, you're tucked away. If

763
00:58:12.800 --> 00:58:15.480
you're living in flat lands, you
really don't want to be drawing attention to

764
00:58:15.519 --> 00:58:20.519
yourself too much, you know.
But you know it's some interesting foot tracks

765
00:58:20.519 --> 00:58:22.159
and things. But you know,
I've only had the one sighting, which

766
00:58:22.320 --> 00:58:27.800
I myself now put into question because
how long ago it was. I've never

767
00:58:27.880 --> 00:58:32.119
had another sighting. You know.
I think that's a lucky thing for somebody

768
00:58:32.159 --> 00:58:37.559
to literally have that kind of moment. You know, you can only hope

769
00:58:37.599 --> 00:58:40.599
for it. And no, thank
you for having me on. I really

770
00:58:40.599 --> 00:58:45.400
appreciate it. And Philip, keep
me in, keep me in the loop

771
00:58:45.480 --> 00:58:51.840
if you ever run into any other
interesting stuff, and I'll have your I

772
00:58:51.880 --> 00:58:57.239
do want listeners check out Phillip's Hot
sauce Dude. I like, I'm a

773
00:58:57.280 --> 00:59:00.679
hot sauce guy. I've just started
to get cool. I started to get

774
00:59:00.679 --> 00:59:05.159
into it over the last few years, just randomly, and like we have

775
00:59:05.280 --> 00:59:07.239
some we have some interesting stuff out
in Iowa. It's not like the most

776
00:59:07.280 --> 00:59:13.239
crazy stuff like you guys have in
the South, but dude, I'm a

777
00:59:13.280 --> 00:59:15.320
fan of it. So listeners,
go check out. I'll have the link

778
00:59:15.400 --> 00:59:20.239
in the show notes, so keep
up to go. I feel appreciate that

779
00:59:20.760 --> 00:59:25.199
and yeah, you know, I'm
totally in the hot sauces, but the

780
00:59:25.320 --> 00:59:29.480
kind that I make or not melt
your face off there enough to get your

781
00:59:29.480 --> 00:59:31.920
attention, but I'm really having a
lot of strong flavor in there. There

782
00:59:31.960 --> 00:59:37.760
you go, there you go?
All right, sir? All right,

783
00:59:37.840 --> 00:59:39.480
Well, thank you so much,
dear Miia, and I'll stay in touch

784
00:59:39.519 --> 00:59:44.800
with you you as well. Have
a good night, sir. You two,

785
00:59:44.880 --> 00:59:47.599
thank you so much. You're a
big for society. Our goal is

786
00:59:47.639 --> 00:59:53.480
to provide a platform for those that
have encountered Bigfoot to share their encounter and

787
00:59:53.559 --> 00:59:59.119
a safe and respected environment. But
we need to hear your story. If

788
00:59:59.159 --> 01:00:01.920
you've experience, I mean, it's
something that you just can't explain. Please

789
01:00:02.480 --> 01:00:08.280
send me an email at Bigfoot Soociety
at gmail dot com. Then we can

790
01:00:08.320 --> 01:00:14.199
start the conversation. And I know
a lot of you have not shared your

791
01:00:14.320 --> 01:00:19.400
encounter at all. It's been twenty
years and it's time that you get this

792
01:00:19.519 --> 01:00:22.719
off your chest and then you can
get some well deserved rest because I know

793
01:00:22.800 --> 01:00:29.000
you haven't been sleeping. I understand
what you're going through and I appreciate every

794
01:00:29.039 --> 01:00:29.920
one of you listening