Episode 5: Seth Breedlove and the Terror of Area X (Bigfoot Society Classic)

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We don't even know if we're going
to be here in twenty twelve. They

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say life is what happens to you
on the way that you try to get

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to where you're going. And in
this case, life is a small desk

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and the basement of your old house
us and talking into your iPhone with terrible

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audio quality. It's meeting people along
the way to end up becoming a large

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part of what it is that you're
making. So we're going back to episode

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number one, and then we're starting
all over. See where we've come,

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where we went through, and maybe
some episodes along the way that you name

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catch so join me, so we
hear old episodes and me old friends for

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the first time. In this week's
big Foot Society Classic, Welcome back to

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another episode of the big Foot Society
podcast. This is a classic episode.

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It's actually the first interview that I
ever did with another person. Well,

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yeah, miss missus Seth Breedlove from
June of twenty nineteen. I'm sure you'll

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enjoy this throwback episode. I can't
remember a thing about it, but I

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do remember it was very enjoyable and
I was pumped to talk to Seth.

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And I've been able to talk to
him a few times since then. But

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All right, thanks for listening,
Hello everyone, and welcome to the Bigfoot

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Society podcast. We've got a fantastic
episode for you today. We've got the

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Seth breed Love here, well not
here, but you know he's over the

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magic of Skype, and we'll be
hearing from him and a little bit we'll

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talk about all sorts of cool stuff
and you'll be getting some a little bit

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of new info about some of films
he's got coming out, but really fantastic

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discussion about big Foot. And I
do say that we'd fantastic about ten thousand

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times during the interview. So but
first we want to hear from one of

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our listeners, Andy, So let
me play this real quick. He's going

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to share what his favorite historical encounter
or story about Bigfoot was, so let's

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check it out. Hello, Jeremiah, this is Andy from the Bigfoot Gumbo

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podcast. My favorite historical account of
Bigfoot is the nineteen forty one Ruby Creek

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encounter with Jeanie Chapman and her children. It's my favorite because it occurred seventeen

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years before the name Bigfoot was used
in newspapers in twenty six years before the

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Patterson Gimlin film, giving this story
a lot of credibility. Thanks thanks again,

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Andy for sharing that favorite Bigfoot encounter
you had. Again, if you

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want to share a message with the
big Foot society as well, stick around.

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You'll hear later on the show how
you can do that. Again.

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Check out Andy. He's got his
own podcast to Bigfoot Gumbo is what it's

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called, as he just heard pretty
good stuff, so go ahead and check

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him out there. Let's get into
the main event tonight. We're gonna have

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our interview with Seth Breedlove next.
So get ready everyone, This is our

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interview with Seth Breedlove and we got
some questions for him about all the big

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foot stuff he does for the podcast. And he's got some questions along the

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way as well. Seth, do
you mind if I have you go ahead

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and introduce yourself and what it is
you do. Yeah, yeah, I'm

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Seth Breedlove. I run. I
don't know, I never know how to

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put it. I help run Small
Town Monsters, which is an independent film

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production company based in Wadsworth, Ohio
that I operate with my wife and probably

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like three or four friends as far
as like the core group of guys,

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and then there's a much larger group
of people that are involved in various apparently

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you they're involved in various capacities kind
of based around the country. So yeah,

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it's it's a completely I always say, it's like a completely autonomous independent

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production company that is slowly growing across
four and a half years, and we

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make mostly documentaries focused on the paranormal
and cryptids and unexplained subjects. Very cool,

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very cool. Steth is definitely being
humble. If you haven't checked out

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any of his documentaries, they are
fantastic. I myself am a super fan

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of On the Trail of big Foot
Man that was that was fantastic and Terror

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in the Skies. I was a
PA on that with my buddy Andrew up

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here in Iowa. We did some
interviews for SETH but man, they're just

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getting better and better, dude,
like awesome, Yeah, it's on the

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trailer was weird because I could not, I mean, going into it,

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I had told my wife I thought
that was going to be the one that

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like killed us because like you or
killed it. Well yeah, that but

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like also just killed their reputation because
I was I like that, you know,

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like it was it was called like
a solo filmmaking experiment or whatever,

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which isn't entirely true. I mean, there were people involved in the shooting

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of On the Trail of Bigfoot to
an extent, like we had you know,

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when I went to Pa, like, I had someone holding an extra

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camera, so I was actually able
to be in some of the shots,

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although you'd be shocked at like how
many of the scenes that I'm in are

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are really just like repeated shots just
from different angles. Yeah, it's it's

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it's kind of funny, but yeah, I know that the editing of that,

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it was what I was convinced was
just going to do us in because

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I couldn't. I edited the whole
thing. I mean, I edited all

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our movies myself, but I edited
all of On the Trailer Bicks, but

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by myself, and it was done
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eight week period of frantic editing,
where I had thought it would just be

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a very sort of breezy edit.
And I don't know why that is,

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because there were twenty two people interviewed, there's you know, multiple multiple locations

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and all that kind of stuff.
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well, I don't have to deal
with like effects shots and all that.

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And what it turns out is like
those effects shots are great because like they're

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just coverage and most of the time
the artist has already done all the works.

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I don't really to do squad with
that. But with this, it

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was it was trying to find trying
to make everything fit together. So every

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episode of On the Trail of big
Foot was edited like multiple times. Like

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I would do it. I would
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it, and then recut it and
then realize that didn't work, and then

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recut it again. So like every
episode, with the exception of episode five

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and I believe six, were edited
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just to get them working because I
don't do I don't do like any kind

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of pre planning, which is probably
pretty obvious honestly if you're watching, I

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don't do any like pre planning,
and the stories really come together in the

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edit. It's there's a lot of
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the seat of our pants and then
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for everything. Momo changes all that
because the whole thing scripted. But oh

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my gosh, I'm so pumped for
Momo. You have no idea, like

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just to see Cliff and Bobo in
those shots where you have them like dressed

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up as like I don't even know
like if it's cowboys or like possible or

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what Cliff is is if you look
at like the actual photos of who they're

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playing, that is what those dudes
kind of like kind of how they dressed,

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which is Surrey. But yeah,
Cliff's playing Chief Ward, Chief Shelby

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Ward, who's a real guy.
And that was one of the dudes that

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led. He was the Louisiana Sheriff
and he actually led the posse, one

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of the posse's up the hill to
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and Bobo was playing like an amalgamation
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time, and and then you know, like the Momo we haven't talked too

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much about, and very purposely like
we're trying to keep all the focus right

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now on terror and this guys,
because it has an uphill battle given the

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subject matter, so we're kind of
like really pushing terror. But I'm I'm

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dying to promote Momo because as soon
as people start seeing trailers and Lyles sort

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of Lyle's place in the movie is
very different from what we've done before because

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he's playing sort of a late night
horror host who's introducing audiences to this unreleased

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movie from the nineteen seventies called Momo
the Missouri Monster. And then the movie

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will segue back and forth between this
like over the top nineteen seventies drive in

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movie called Momo and the actual documentary
portion of the movie. So we interviewed

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like the real we interviewed like the
real Shelby Ward's daughter and like people like

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that, So you'll it's weird.
It's like Rashamone by way of like Bigfoot

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and Grindhouse movies from the seventies.
Bizarre. Oh what was I listening to

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the other day? This is terrib
No, it was you. You had

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that episode about Bigot Bigfoot ploytation movies. Was that you? Yeah, Yeah,

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that was such an amazing episode.
There's like, man, I gotta

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watch a lot of episodes. Cool, Yeah, that's all. Most of

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that's mark. Yeah, most of
that's marked though, because like I come

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through it with like the typical you
know, like to check out Lychen and

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boggy cretic creature from Black Lake.
Mark fled that. I can't even remember

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the name of it. There's this
movie he talked about that was like directed

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by Robert W. Morgan. That's
the nineteen seventies, uh, like like

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Sasquatch playtation movie with Robert Morgan in
it, and he directed it, and

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uh, well, I can't think
of what it's called. But it's horrendous

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but kind of good at the same
time. It's weird. But I watched

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it recently. It is it is
a weird, weird movie. Having said

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that, I can't remember the title
of it, so this is pointless.

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But yeah, we are We're we
are really like stoked about Momo and anyone

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who's into our stuff will probably have
some hesitance when when when the trailer and

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stuff come out, because I think
it's gonna look like almost it's almost going

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to look, uh as if we
have made everything that we have always kind

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of ranted or raved against, like
all the all the over the top dramatizations

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and all that kind of stuff.
And then and then the trailer is going

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to come out, and you're gonna
see this trailer for this movie that looks

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like we have made that like a
way over the top dramatization of a real

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events and it kind of is the
Shark, Yeah yeah, but at the

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same time, like we kind of
it is. It is also like quintessential

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small Tone Monsters. I have a
feeling this is going to be like for

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STEM fans, like people who are
really into STM, and this will be

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this will be a project that they
kind of claim as their favorite. Yeah,

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I'm excited. I'm I'm excited for
it, dude. Like, Okay,

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so I was plugged for you guys. I was one of the kickstarters,

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and so I've had access to,
like you know, on the trailer

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big Foot tearing these guys for quite
a while, and so I totally forgot

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that like tearing the guises and even
it's not even out yet. Right right

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comes out fly day. Yeah so
but yeah it so listeners. Next time

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Seth has a Kickstarter, get on
that. I mean, just today I

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got the the signed DVD of Tearing
This guys, plus a cool little sticker

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as well in the mail, and
they're still like cool. There's still all

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kinds of stuff coming for like backers, and and we're going to do some

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cool stuff with the Momo DVD.
I'm thinking of doing like a two disc

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set because we have the way the
this is. This will be the first

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time I've talked about any of this, but like the way I'm editing the

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the sort of like drive in narrative
film is it is literally being edited start

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to finish as its own separate movie, and then I'll be chopping that up

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and it'll be edited naturally into you
know, the actual full length like documentary

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and it'll slow really well, but
there will be an existent start to finish

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cut of the narrative. So what
we're gonna do is we're gonna put that

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narrative film on on the DVD.
So anyone that wants to watch like the

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narrative film without you know, like
without to see what it would be like

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if you actually saw that movie.
You'll be able to watch it, dude.

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I love that. That's so cool. That's very cool. It's crazy.

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It's like a it's a it's a
family drama mashed up with like,

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you know, the Legend of block
Creek style sort of docu drama thing,

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the Legend of Bloggy Creek sort of
spearheaded, and then like just the most

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ridiculous over the top kind of like
Sasquatch ploytation stuff from the series. It

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really does have like we set out
to make something that would feel like it

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was a movie made in the seventies
that no one's ever seen, and I

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think like we successfully pulled it off. And like the Bobo cliff Cliffs scenes

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are by far, like those posse
scenes are the best scenes in the entire

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movie. And it's like it's really
crazy, and there's some super quotable lines.

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Please say, there's bloopers? Are
there's so many bloopers and I might

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Yeah, we're definitely gonna have to
do that for the you have blooper real

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dude. Yeah. And in the
beginning, like the movie opens with this

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very like seventies almost like slasher scene
which is sort of a recreation of the

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the I can't never remember what their
name Joan Mills and Mary Ryan. It

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might be I might be getting it
might be Mary Ryan and Jan Mills.

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Either way, the they were picnicking
and they encountered Momos supposedly one year prior

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to the Harrison Family Encounters. So
this is like a retelling of that,

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only in like nineteen seventies slasher style, and then it ends. So it

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begins with that movie and then the
movie ends with this insane posse sequence.

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Little It's sort of one of the
big moments of the entire movie. Dude,

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I love insane posse sequences. Like
you've looked have you heard of the

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van Meter Visitor? You've heard the
Van Meter visit? Oh? Yes,

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So the end of that is like
they they posse up and they chase it

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over to the mine at the edge
of Van Meter and like the des Moines

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registers, like and they shot enough
to blow it straight to hell. Yes,

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but can you imagine like that posse
scene, like that's legit. Yeah,

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that that's that's what this is because
like I grew up sort of loving,

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loving the idea of like the posse, and this is this is kind

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of that. So very cool,
very cool. Oh also listeners and if

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you care stuff that's cool too.
But plug for the van meter visitor festivals

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and this fault. And we have
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is going to be debuting her new
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So it'll be fantastic where excited?
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time she's shown it. So good
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wanted to go back luke around and
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first off, when I first started
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when I was a little kid and
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dad and I was like, man, like this is really cool to be

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a part of this because like just
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the music fits great. Good stuff
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I love because I wasn't expecting you
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conservation, but it worked extremely well. Like that was fantastic. What was

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what was the craziest, Like when
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X or being down there and I
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got in there on a on like
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got rid of the headache, like
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pretty much the entire time we're in
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what's the so besides that, what's
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that led up to the you know
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yeah and the screen we heard that
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that, there was there was all
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that Brian and Darryl we were call
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stuff, I don't mean that like
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they were call blasting Gregorian chants.
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creepy, like because you're in this
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a ton of like animal noise or
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got these these Grigorian chants call blasting
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and and it's pitch black and you
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face, and you know, and
eventually Daryl started like calling back and forth

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with an owl. It was just
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sequence that led up to that that
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throw what you know. So so
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had this migraine. I wanted to
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some sort of evidence of something,
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I was I was call blasting or
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was just laying there with this pounding
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of doze off, and it was
it was about that moment that this like

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ear piercing like crash happened. And
it was clearly like a rock hitting the

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roof of what they call the Hooch
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that yes, so the the the
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following it. I mean, it
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you know, my eyes shoot open, Adams shoot open. We're both looking

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at each other. We're still laying
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a like a stereotypical like Apache Warrior
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that. You know, it was
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followed by, uh, this laughter, like really weird, like chimp like

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laughter. The closest thing we've found
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sort of laughter. Yeah. Okay, So the and and all that happens

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like it's very abrupt and it's over, you know, and and so so

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in terms of like what was the
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the most memorable, I mean,
it was that. But it's really hard

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for me to just like distinguish one
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to tune stuff out. Like I
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something like you were hearing a memory
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I mean it was it was way
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we were walking out out the road
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Area X, and there was a
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base camp and where we're out on
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sounded like a man and a woman
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not far from us, and it
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all. So so we started sort
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and they were they had heard it
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us. They wanted to know if
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so we started talking as loud as
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couldn't hear us, and we couldn't
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crazy. Hey, I have a
question no for you? Yeah's if I

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had to pause for a second.
Is that cool? I there's apparently a

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dead baby bunny in my backyard that
my wife needs me to get out of.

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Ye take care of that. I
will. I will talk to my

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listeners for a few minutes, No
problem, man. Yeah, this isn't

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live, isn't it It is?
Oh? This is being recorded? Okay,

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Yeah, okay, cool? Yeah, I guess I could. I

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could edit it out too if I
needed, But you're good, all right?

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Yeah? Just give me like two
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You got it all right, So
let's take a little time out where

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Seth takes care of business. Talk
about the one big foot sighting that des

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Moines has seen de Moine, Iowa
a few years ago down by the river

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in the snow, they saw big
foot tracks. Pretty crazy. I know,

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I'm doing this off the top of
my head. Here's the thing.

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Also, next time Seth has a
Kickstarter, you guys really need to get

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on that, just because you know, I've had two DVDs come so far.

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Also, there's gonna be a hat, there's gonna be a shirt.

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It's gonna be really cool. And
plus Seth has been a really humble so

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far with how he's been talking,
but he's really paving the way for the

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next generation of really monster hunters.
So you put your money towards something that

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is pretty cool. And I mean, just imagine being back in the you

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know, eighties and being able to
put up the money for in search of

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and you know how much of a
difference that has caused. And you know,

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like just think about like the documentaries
that he makes. It's gonna make

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a huge difference for the future.
You know, people like well you know,

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you think of your your top dogs
and cryptosiology right now. I think

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of like you know, Jeff Muldroum
and you know, Lauren Coleman. Not

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to say that they're super old,
but they are, you know, starting

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to get up in years years,
But so am I. But you know,

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the next generation has got to get
that cool stuff in order for them

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to get exact. Sorry about that, no from So yeah, it's so

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inex Like every single thing there was
just constant. There's stuff that like I

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I don't even remember, it's crazy
happening. Like there was there was a

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there was an incident when we were
walking and the smell was following us,

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you know, and it was it
was really bizarre. Yeah, really really

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bizarre kind of incident. But I
mean the entire trip started off within three

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hours of getting in there. It
was you know, when Darrel sort of

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started telling us that he was scoping
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you know, with a gun.
So oh that that part just that blows

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my mind. Like when I saw
like it was like he's got one in

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his sights, Like that's phenomenal,
you know, and like but it's like

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you got to do research into these
guys and like how serious they take this,

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Like these guys are scientists. It's
like they are hardcore, you know.

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I wouldn't. I wouldn't want to.

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It would be disingenuous if I said
anyone that was in there with us

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was a scientist. But there are
definitely biologists and ecologists and all kinds of

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people like that in the group.
The group that was in there with us

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was was Kathy, who was a
she's she's a tribal relations manager for Standards

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Laws National Forest. And then there's
Bob Straam was like an EMT and firefighter

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paramedic. And then Brian who runs
a an extremely successful marketing firm. And

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I mean everyone in that group is
someone very cool, very cool. Yeah,

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awesome, let me look at my
Oh yeah, so I have kind

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of a list here. So there
was a big gathering just a few days

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ago or a week ago out in
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Do you have anything cool to share
from that or anything awesome that happened,

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maybe like really new news or whatever. There there was actually a track

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found on on like Saturday night that
was in an interesting place. It's just

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very difficult to you know, you're
at a camping adventure that's entirely focused round

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pick Foot. See anything that happens, you have to take the rain as

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salt, obviously. But it was
found by dude I know who I know,

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he wouldn't have faked it or anything. His little daughter actually his daughter

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found it and they cast it it
and it was an interesting track, you

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know, and cast. There was
a fox with no fur that was seen

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on the dodge across the road one
night, so that that's kind of cool

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too, But you know, other
than that, I don't think there was

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anything. You know. The only
thing is like we're on they're on the

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ridge, like they're on the Chestnut
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of weird stuff out there. Yes, you've got like your UFO stuff like

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yeah, another great documentary chest Oh
yeah, yeah, yeah, that's that's

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one of my favorites actually of ours, but so good. But yeah,

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the uh, there was there was
nothing. I would you know, necessarily

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think was was a very squatchy activity. But I didn't go out late at

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night either, so I know I
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like a loud sort of grunt that
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at at the ground. But this
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It's it's literally on the Chestnut Ridge. So you're you're sort of heard

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of it all in Ohio Pyle area, which is where they you know,

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that's the closest town to where they
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the sighting that has talked about in
like episode four, that that's the that's

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the one where the lady like shot
at the thing and that was on her

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porch and it like disappeared. That's
that's Ohio pile. Oh wow, crazy,

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that'd be right near where where we
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Like I grew up in the Northeast
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Like people don't realize once you get
out there, it's it's would it do?

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there's there's some spots there in Pa.

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The thing about Pa that's a little
it's a lot like Ohio and the

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fact that the undergrowth can get so
thick you can't even move into it,

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you know, but the the the
leaf canopy and then sort of the the

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way the mountain. It's so rugged
and mountainous, and some spots it almost

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feels like you're being engulfed by the
forest. It's it's disturbing in a way

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that crazy man, crazy crazy stuff. Let's let's go over a few I

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gotta how first off, how we're
doing for time? We're good? Oh

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yeah, yeah, I'm good.
Cool. I can't do anything. There's

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like a my dog got this baby
bunny. It's just like chilling in my

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backyard. I don't think it killed
it, and I think it's still okay.

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So I'm not sure what to do
is I'm probably just gonna leave it

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and hope the mom comes and gets
it. Sorry that it's okay. Well,

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well morn tomorrow. Uh, let's
okay. So here's some questions.

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What would you say? What is
your favorite? Like, you know how

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there's different historical Bigfoot events that have
happened. What do you think you're what

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would you see? Your favorite?
Is my favorite historical? Like if we're

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talking pre seventies, it's uh,
it's a canyon totally, That's what I

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was thinking. Yeah, yeah,
And we've we've been eyeing sort of making

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an eight canny movie for a while
now. Which which we I mean,

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we've had talks with investors and all
sorts of stuff about like trying to create

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basically a narrative film based around the
Ape Canon incident because it's it's been one

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of my favorites for for a very
long period of time. It's why it's

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Wow associating of on the trail of
Pickfoot. So that's my that's definitely my

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favorite. You've got people coming up
outside a Kickstarter, they're like, hey,

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if you wanted to make this,
this would be cool. We've had

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talks where it was more like,
you know, would you be interested in

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being being the money being this because
this is not something where we could do

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that for you know, even kickstarter
money or Kickstarter is great, but they

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if you tried to create a good, you know, movie with like good

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costumes and all that kind of stuff
based on the Ape Canon incident on what

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we can raise on a Kickstarter,
I don't think we could do it.

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So yeah, we're kind of looking
toward doing something about Ape Canon. But

404
00:33:58.119 --> 00:34:00.000
yeah, that's that's that's my favorite. I Mean, there's a ton that

405
00:34:00.039 --> 00:34:05.480
I like here in Ohio. There's
a story called the Norwalk Ape, which

406
00:34:05.559 --> 00:34:09.480
was this you know and and there
was actually originally an entire section of episode

407
00:34:09.480 --> 00:34:14.960
one of On the Trail of big
Foot that talked about the Norwalk Norwalk Ape

408
00:34:15.039 --> 00:34:19.559
case and I ended uh, I
ended up cutting it out because it just

409
00:34:19.679 --> 00:34:22.719
affected the pacing of that episode.
It was only about two minutes, but

410
00:34:22.800 --> 00:34:27.320
it affected the pacing pretty pretty drastically
totally. But it was all you know,

411
00:34:27.599 --> 00:34:30.360
in the thirties, there was this
rash of sightings in Norwalk, Ohio

412
00:34:30.440 --> 00:34:37.440
of this this ape you know,
like creature this scene and and naturally culminated

413
00:34:37.559 --> 00:34:44.679
in a posse forming and going after
it. So yeah, yeah, so

414
00:34:44.840 --> 00:34:47.159
that's that's a great one too.
I mean there's you know, Ruby Creeks,

415
00:34:47.199 --> 00:34:52.119
great, there's a lot that I
that I really love. And then

416
00:34:52.159 --> 00:34:55.199
you get into the seventies and you
got Minerva and Whitehall and all that stuff

417
00:34:55.239 --> 00:34:58.679
that I love. Obviously, that's
cool. Yeah, we went to the

418
00:35:00.039 --> 00:35:06.079
we're out visiting my parents and uh
north of Boston, and I talked him

419
00:35:06.079 --> 00:35:07.960
into They were like, what do
you want to do when you're out here,

420
00:35:07.639 --> 00:35:10.760
Like, there's a museum up in
Portland, Maine. We should check

421
00:35:10.800 --> 00:35:13.840
out. It's kind of cool,
you know, it's got like big Foot

422
00:35:13.880 --> 00:35:16.639
and stuff, and they're like,
okay, cool. So they we went

423
00:35:16.639 --> 00:35:22.280
on a road trip up to the
International Cryptis Welogy Museum and that was fantastic.

424
00:35:22.320 --> 00:35:25.960
They had a little eight Canyon exhibit
up there is awesome. Yeah,

425
00:35:27.199 --> 00:35:31.079
yeah, there and there a couple
of times nail from it or yeah it's

426
00:35:31.119 --> 00:35:36.559
a really cool place though, very
cool. Let's see, what do you

427
00:35:36.840 --> 00:35:44.159
so? What is your let's say, favorite book regarding subject to Bigfoot.

428
00:35:44.639 --> 00:35:47.559
Yeah, if you have one you
had to recommend. Yeah, that's a

429
00:35:47.559 --> 00:35:57.280
good question. I want to go
lofty and be like Rain Raincoast, Sasquatch

430
00:35:57.360 --> 00:36:02.280
or like John Green. It's it
probably I mean, first strictly on Bigfoot,

431
00:36:05.920 --> 00:36:08.960
it's probably Beast of Boggy Creek,
Lyle's book. And I'm not just

432
00:36:09.920 --> 00:36:15.719
saying right, I've worked with Lyle. I really have always liked his approach

433
00:36:15.840 --> 00:36:22.719
to that particular book, that book
in Lizard Band especially, and and uh

434
00:36:22.800 --> 00:36:25.480
so those two have always been,
you know a couple of my favorites.

435
00:36:25.519 --> 00:36:30.800
I love the way though the story
is told. And uh so, yeah,

436
00:36:30.840 --> 00:36:35.199
it's probably that I'm trying to think
there's something I'm I'm forgetting because I've

437
00:36:35.239 --> 00:36:37.920
read I have read a lot in
my you know, we have a little

438
00:36:37.920 --> 00:36:43.920
like mini library at sdmh Q.
When you come into like wa the waiting

439
00:36:43.920 --> 00:36:47.079
area at the office, there's like
a whole there's like two bookcases and they're

440
00:36:47.079 --> 00:36:51.159
full of books you know about Bigfoot
and the paranormal and stuff like that.

441
00:36:51.199 --> 00:36:54.519
But those that's a crazy library.
Yeah, And he donates books to the

442
00:36:55.119 --> 00:36:59.199
to the STM library, so he'll
just like find stuff and bring it in

443
00:36:59.199 --> 00:37:04.599
and put it on the shelf.
Yeah. So yeah, it's probably it's

444
00:37:04.599 --> 00:37:07.559
probably Beast of Boggy Creek. I
love Coleman's big Foot book though, the

445
00:37:07.599 --> 00:37:13.679
True Story of Apes in America,
and it's very like basic, and I

446
00:37:13.719 --> 00:37:16.719
know, like I feel like in
some ways that that book might have been

447
00:37:16.760 --> 00:37:21.639
the inspiration from the trailer Bigfoot,
just because it really it really acts as

448
00:37:21.639 --> 00:37:24.559
like a great primer to the whole
subject for someone that might not have much

449
00:37:24.559 --> 00:37:30.039
of a knowledge of it. So
so it's it's probably I think it's going

450
00:37:30.079 --> 00:37:34.079
to be Beast of Boggy Creek.
Now, awesome. Let me flip that

451
00:37:34.159 --> 00:37:37.639
in a different way too. If
you let's say you had someone who is

452
00:37:37.679 --> 00:37:40.199
like, oh man, this Bigfoot
stuff is pretty awesome, and so they're

453
00:37:40.239 --> 00:37:45.320
just getting into it, what would
you recommend them kind of start out things

454
00:37:45.320 --> 00:37:47.880
with. Yeah, that Coleman,
same thing. Yeah, the Coleman book.

455
00:37:47.960 --> 00:37:53.440
And I love I've got I mean, I have some Green, some

456
00:37:53.559 --> 00:37:59.639
John Green, but I weirdly haven't
read like the books that sort of define

457
00:37:59.760 --> 00:38:05.000
him. I have read On the
Trail of or I think it's On the

458
00:38:05.000 --> 00:38:08.639
Track of Sasquatch or whatever, which
is really just a collection of stories that

459
00:38:08.679 --> 00:38:12.760
he collected over the years that I
that I really love, And I think

460
00:38:12.800 --> 00:38:19.000
something like that could actually work more
maybe even more so than than something like

461
00:38:19.039 --> 00:38:22.000
Coleman's book, just because I think
for a lot of people that are getting

462
00:38:23.639 --> 00:38:28.559
or maybe not even getting into the
subject, but who know very little about

463
00:38:28.559 --> 00:38:35.679
Bigfoot and just have a minor interest, there's an idea that that that the

464
00:38:35.719 --> 00:38:40.320
subject revolves around like one or two
sightings from the fifties and sixties and and

465
00:38:40.320 --> 00:38:45.480
and maybe it's just of like one
creature that roams the world or whatever,

466
00:38:45.599 --> 00:38:53.320
you know, like like Santa Claus
or the Easter Bunny and the it's talked

467
00:38:53.320 --> 00:38:55.639
about in the first episode of On
the Trail of big Foot, But like

468
00:38:57.320 --> 00:39:00.320
the most intriguing thing as a rash
an old sort of person coming to the

469
00:39:00.360 --> 00:39:05.719
subject for the first time. Something
that can make you sort of to,

470
00:39:06.000 --> 00:39:08.280
you know, to take a second
look at it, maybe would be the

471
00:39:08.280 --> 00:39:20.239
fact that the sightings there's a pattern
of character behaviors that that makes it worth

472
00:39:20.280 --> 00:39:23.559
that second look, you know,
because because this is all hoaxes or misidentification,

473
00:39:23.760 --> 00:39:29.039
there shouldn't be sort of a pattern
of behavior, like behavior that you

474
00:39:29.079 --> 00:39:32.960
would attribute to something like an animal. It really should just be you know,

475
00:39:34.039 --> 00:39:37.320
you they're they're just people, people
making stuff up all the time,

476
00:39:37.400 --> 00:39:43.239
like and but but you do have
these sort of like character characteristics of these

477
00:39:43.280 --> 00:39:47.880
things that that keep popping back up. And I think that's something like Green's

478
00:39:47.920 --> 00:39:52.159
work could could be really intriguing for
someone who's just coming into it, because

479
00:39:52.199 --> 00:39:58.719
you would be and I'm talking strictly
about his case files, not necessarily his

480
00:39:58.719 --> 00:40:04.119
his know, the books where he
really gets into my new show the subject.

481
00:40:04.199 --> 00:40:07.840
I'm strictly talking about the like on
that track of sasquatch and stuff.

482
00:40:07.840 --> 00:40:12.079
OK that, so yeah, anything
like that or but I mean, it

483
00:40:12.079 --> 00:40:16.119
would either be that or Coleman's Bigfoot, The True Story of Apes in America,

484
00:40:16.719 --> 00:40:22.039
Beast of Barking Creek is great as
a new bi too, because it's

485
00:40:22.079 --> 00:40:25.360
so focused on such a singular event. But I also feel like that might

486
00:40:25.400 --> 00:40:30.599
be a negative in terms of like
it might not get someone further into the

487
00:40:30.599 --> 00:40:32.400
subject of bigfoot. They might just
walk away from it thinking well, that

488
00:40:32.519 --> 00:40:37.920
Falcon monster sounds pretty cool without ever
really considering it on the larger, you

489
00:40:37.960 --> 00:40:43.840
know, bigfoot scale. Totally,
that's cool. It had some good answers.

490
00:40:44.119 --> 00:40:51.920
Thanks man. What do you think, So what is the most amazing

491
00:40:51.920 --> 00:40:57.320
thing that's happened to you because of
your let's say, being involved with a

492
00:40:57.320 --> 00:41:00.239
big foot or like you could even
say any of your documentaries, like like

493
00:41:00.239 --> 00:41:05.360
wow, I would never experience that
or met that person if I'd never done

494
00:41:05.400 --> 00:41:08.440
this documentary thing. Yeah, I
mean that I have a moment on every

495
00:41:08.480 --> 00:41:15.519
shoot where I suddenly get very introspective
and I wouldn't say I cry. I

496
00:41:15.559 --> 00:41:20.119
don't think I've had that experience yet, but I I like inevitably have a

497
00:41:20.159 --> 00:41:22.800
moment where I find myself alone and
I'm just like, wow, this is

498
00:41:22.480 --> 00:41:25.159
this is pretty great, you know, Like when we were shooting on the

499
00:41:25.199 --> 00:41:30.039
trail of especially like being up in
the Olympic Peninsula, up on the Sound

500
00:41:30.079 --> 00:41:34.519
and all that I thought that was. There were some moments there where I

501
00:41:34.559 --> 00:41:38.639
was like that this is something I
never would have experienced if not for exactly

502
00:41:38.760 --> 00:41:45.840
these kookie subjects that people laugh at. Yeah, so you know there's that,

503
00:41:45.880 --> 00:41:47.639
But I mean, like, as
a single I'm trying to like rack

504
00:41:47.679 --> 00:41:51.760
my brain for like a single moment
that I can really point to. I

505
00:41:51.760 --> 00:41:54.280
mean, obviously there's like the whoop
in the rock throw, but it wouldn't

506
00:41:54.320 --> 00:41:58.599
be anything like that. It wouldn't
be anything paranormal. It would be you

507
00:41:58.639 --> 00:42:00.880
know, like in terms of like
the most amazed thing. It would be

508
00:42:00.800 --> 00:42:07.440
like a moment where I I mean
like I'm the most recent trip with with

509
00:42:07.880 --> 00:42:10.119
Zach and Jason and Luke, Like
those are all dudes. Luke and I

510
00:42:10.199 --> 00:42:15.760
were roommates for a year and a
half. I've known Luke since I was

511
00:42:15.800 --> 00:42:19.079
like seventeen years old. Zack and
Jason and I have all done friends since

512
00:42:19.079 --> 00:42:23.840
we were kids. You know,
we laughed more then we've laughed in probably

513
00:42:23.880 --> 00:42:27.639
like twenty years. A couple of
weeks ago. So while we while we

514
00:42:27.639 --> 00:42:30.800
were working on Momo, so like
there were times where I was like I

515
00:42:30.880 --> 00:42:34.719
really needed this because I you know, you get so sort of bogged down

516
00:42:34.719 --> 00:42:37.480
in the editing and or just life
or whatever in your so like it's cool

517
00:42:37.519 --> 00:42:43.199
to have those moments with your friends, So I probably it could be something

518
00:42:43.239 --> 00:42:49.199
like that. Or I mean on
the Trail of Bigfoot, had numerous because

519
00:42:49.239 --> 00:42:54.119
I hiked with Brandon up in the
Mirror Woods above San Francisco and had I

520
00:42:54.199 --> 00:42:58.079
had those moments like five times where
I was like, I'm I'm so glad

521
00:42:58.079 --> 00:43:01.400
I get to do this, you
know, like yeah out here, but

522
00:43:02.079 --> 00:43:09.360
you know, I'd love I've I've
loved getting the opportunity to interview people like

523
00:43:09.440 --> 00:43:15.360
Coleman and Kathy Strain. But and
this isn't in any way like a slight

524
00:43:15.440 --> 00:43:21.199
to them, but they've done interviews, so I it always comes back to

525
00:43:21.239 --> 00:43:23.440
witnesses for me, Like those are
the interviews that really stand out as like

526
00:43:23.519 --> 00:43:29.800
interviewing, you know, like Howie
Kayton or Brian Gosselin or some of those

527
00:43:29.800 --> 00:43:34.880
people you know, like with Lawrence
Gray in The Moth made Point pleasant,

528
00:43:34.920 --> 00:43:37.840
Like those are the moments that really
stand out. Barry Clark and invasion on

529
00:43:37.920 --> 00:43:43.280
Cheltern Ridge, like more so than
than interviewing, you know, some sort

530
00:43:43.280 --> 00:43:46.800
of paranormal investigator author or whatever,
because those those guys have done that before

531
00:43:47.079 --> 00:43:52.400
and I'm not really going to pull
anything from them. For the most part,

532
00:43:52.440 --> 00:43:54.239
I'm not going to pull anything from
them they haven't already said a hundred

533
00:43:54.239 --> 00:43:59.719
times. Whereas getting to talk to
someone like Barry Clark or Howie Kayton,

534
00:43:59.719 --> 00:44:02.679
they don't do this sort of thing
very often. They definitely don't tell their

535
00:44:02.719 --> 00:44:09.199
stories over and over again. So
so you know, there's I could wax

536
00:44:09.280 --> 00:44:15.679
poetic about, like about all the
amazing places we've shot and like getting to

537
00:44:15.719 --> 00:44:20.000
be with with, uh, you
know, people who are because the craziest

538
00:44:20.000 --> 00:44:28.119
thing about STM and making the movies
is how invested everyone is in what we

539
00:44:28.280 --> 00:44:35.960
do and how invested everyone on the
crew is, and how invested. I

540
00:44:35.960 --> 00:44:38.239
mean the perfect example is the posse
scene that we were talking about from Momo

541
00:44:38.320 --> 00:44:40.960
because you had, you know,
we put we put a call out that

542
00:44:42.000 --> 00:44:46.199
we wanted people to to come volunteer
to be part of this scene. We

543
00:44:46.199 --> 00:44:51.440
were shooting down in Zoro, Ohio
and it was going to be cold and

544
00:44:51.519 --> 00:44:53.639
people are gonna need to be down
there for like six to eight hours,

545
00:44:53.920 --> 00:44:59.480
and uh, we wouldn't be paying
them. And it's not a union job.

546
00:45:00.000 --> 00:45:04.079
You're basically going to be out there
and the miserable cold with us in

547
00:45:04.159 --> 00:45:07.400
the scene. And you know,
we had tons of volunteers and we ended

548
00:45:07.480 --> 00:45:10.760
up with a full group of guys, like twenty five guys walking around the

549
00:45:10.760 --> 00:45:15.280
woods that night. Cliff got sick. It was Cliff. It was sick,

550
00:45:15.840 --> 00:45:19.320
sick for like seven days after the
shoot because it was so cold and

551
00:45:19.400 --> 00:45:21.800
he was in a T shirt.
Like we put him in the short sleeve

552
00:45:21.880 --> 00:45:24.440
shirt and he would have to take
his jacket off to shoot his scenes and

553
00:45:24.480 --> 00:45:27.719
then put it back on as soon
as we were done shooting. He ended

554
00:45:27.760 --> 00:45:30.840
up getting sick. But like,
oh man, but like everyone had such

555
00:45:30.880 --> 00:45:37.360
a great time, you know,
like anytime we experienced that sort of thing

556
00:45:37.480 --> 00:45:40.880
where where you see how excited everyone
is about what we're doing and being a

557
00:45:40.920 --> 00:45:45.719
part of it. Like those moments, I'm I'm always really uh like excited

558
00:45:45.760 --> 00:45:52.159
and thankful for I guess they because
because this is not it might seem like

559
00:45:52.199 --> 00:45:57.639
the easiest, the easiest not easiest, but the funnest like job you could

560
00:45:57.679 --> 00:46:00.599
you could have. And I'm like, I'm I'm not complete landing about this

561
00:46:00.639 --> 00:46:04.480
in anyway, like it is a
dream job, but it's it also gets

562
00:46:04.519 --> 00:46:09.360
like incredibly draining, you know when
you're like on the schedules we're on.

563
00:46:09.880 --> 00:46:14.039
So like when you can get like
a bunch of people like that together who

564
00:46:14.039 --> 00:46:17.760
are excited, it gets me excited
again and you get that energy again,

565
00:46:17.840 --> 00:46:22.159
the creative energy to put put back
into the project. Because when we shot

566
00:46:22.239 --> 00:46:24.320
that posse scene, that was on
the first weekend of filming Momo, but

567
00:46:25.119 --> 00:46:30.199
we had spent an entire day on
Friday filming and then on Saturday we were

568
00:46:30.239 --> 00:46:32.920
supposed to shoot all day and we
only ended up getting two scenes shot,

569
00:46:32.960 --> 00:46:37.719
I think, and then got completely
rained out. And I was really discouraged

570
00:46:37.719 --> 00:46:40.920
about that because I knew that was
going to set us back. So so

571
00:46:42.159 --> 00:46:45.119
yeah, that's Sunday that we shot
the posse scene on. Was was cool

572
00:46:45.400 --> 00:46:49.639
and really encouraging. Oh and like
we had Alexander Pettikoff with us, Like

573
00:46:49.679 --> 00:46:53.079
he showed up, So Alexander made
our chant movie with us. Yeah.

574
00:46:53.440 --> 00:46:58.400
Yeah, but we didn't get to
work with Alexander on that, Like I

575
00:46:58.519 --> 00:47:01.679
wasn't there for the filming of him, but he was there for this.

576
00:47:01.719 --> 00:47:06.360
So that was really cool because like
we were out filming and alex was there.

577
00:47:06.400 --> 00:47:09.599
It just felt like in a way
like a reunion of STM filmmaking.

578
00:47:09.719 --> 00:47:15.360
It was kind of cool. So
there's those moments. Anything involved with math

579
00:47:15.440 --> 00:47:21.559
Man a point pleasant was really like
like mind blowing for me. There was

580
00:47:21.599 --> 00:47:24.519
there was one morning where I walked
out and found and this wasn't even during

581
00:47:24.519 --> 00:47:28.000
the shooting of the movie. It
was it was actually during the moth mat

582
00:47:28.000 --> 00:47:31.559
At festival that year, but I
had I had found the plaque where they

583
00:47:31.559 --> 00:47:35.239
had that they had put out,
you know where that where the bridge used

584
00:47:35.280 --> 00:47:37.519
to be. But I was the
only one out there, and there was

585
00:47:37.559 --> 00:47:40.679
this fog rolling rolling in over the
the Ohio River, and it was like

586
00:47:40.719 --> 00:47:45.480
one of those moments, those nerd
oubts sort of there's a lot of those.

587
00:47:45.159 --> 00:47:47.800
I'm really rambling about this, but
there's a lot of those moments where

588
00:47:47.840 --> 00:47:52.480
I'm I'm just amazed by by you
know, the situation we're in. That's

589
00:47:52.519 --> 00:47:55.400
awesome, that's awesome. It's very
important, I think, to take a

590
00:47:55.440 --> 00:48:00.079
step back in life and just realize
is, realize what you have, you

591
00:48:00.079 --> 00:48:04.400
know, and be thankful for it. That's fantastic. What would you say

592
00:48:04.440 --> 00:48:07.880
to let's say, like the next
generation growing up right now who are interested

593
00:48:07.920 --> 00:48:15.559
in searching for you know, big
foot, monsters fill in the blank.

594
00:48:15.000 --> 00:48:19.920
Like, yeah, no, I'm
really glad you said that, because I

595
00:48:19.920 --> 00:48:22.360
had this whole talk with Cliff about
some stuff over the weekend, not necessarily

596
00:48:22.400 --> 00:48:27.880
relating to that, but some other
stuff like really insightful and I think the

597
00:48:28.320 --> 00:48:31.800
biggest thing I'd tell kids. And
this is going to seem this might seem

598
00:48:31.920 --> 00:48:37.159
hy bit critical. Hopefully not either
way, like focus on the animal or

599
00:48:37.280 --> 00:48:45.559
the subject and not like celebrity and
your name and like trying to brand yourself

600
00:48:45.599 --> 00:48:53.079
and because that stuff is is ruining
these subjects. And I say that as

601
00:48:53.559 --> 00:48:59.199
someone who makes movies about these subjects, and you know, like I guess

602
00:48:59.239 --> 00:49:04.840
like I might be perceived as being
branded like the filmmaking guy or whatever,

603
00:49:04.920 --> 00:49:09.079
but like I have no problem with
people being on TV and being on these

604
00:49:09.079 --> 00:49:14.639
shows and that kind of stuff.
And in most cases like they you know,

605
00:49:14.719 --> 00:49:17.440
like I'm glad they are because they
they're knowledgeable about the subjects or whatever.

606
00:49:17.559 --> 00:49:23.199
But man, like I'm also kind
of sick of of just seeing people

607
00:49:23.239 --> 00:49:30.400
getting into ufology or the paranormal or
Bigfoot solely because they want to get on

608
00:49:30.440 --> 00:49:36.079
the next like paranormal TV show or
Bigfoot TV show. Or whatever, and

609
00:49:36.599 --> 00:49:39.360
it just kind of gets it,
kind of gets discouraging. Honestly, I've

610
00:49:39.360 --> 00:49:44.679
seen it happen, because you see
it happen with people you like and respect,

611
00:49:44.840 --> 00:49:49.000
and they change, they change as
seniors. They're on these shows like

612
00:49:49.039 --> 00:49:52.000
they've got this, you know,
like they've got some sort of image they

613
00:49:52.000 --> 00:49:54.480
had to protect or whatever. And
I get it, Like I totally get

614
00:49:54.519 --> 00:49:58.519
it. And I'm friends with a
lot of people that have been on these

615
00:49:58.519 --> 00:50:00.639
shows, and we've been offered,
you know, to be on these shows.

616
00:50:00.639 --> 00:50:04.599
And I will probably at some point
end up on some sort of show

617
00:50:04.639 --> 00:50:07.000
as a talking head or something.
So I get it, and I have

618
00:50:07.079 --> 00:50:12.800
no issues with it. I have
an issue with getting into the subjects because

619
00:50:12.840 --> 00:50:16.440
you think you can, because that's
your motivation, Like you want to do

620
00:50:16.480 --> 00:50:21.320
that. I just want to be
the next like big personality in the field.

621
00:50:21.360 --> 00:50:25.400
Like just I mean, like focus
focus on the animal, like not

622
00:50:25.400 --> 00:50:31.599
not your not your entertainment value that
you you see yourself having. Yeah,

623
00:50:31.800 --> 00:50:37.599
do it because you love it.
That's awesome, very very cool. I

624
00:50:37.679 --> 00:50:43.960
remember you talking a while about the
next documentary coming up is going to be

625
00:50:44.000 --> 00:50:47.400
on the Bell, Which is that
right? It's not the next it's down

626
00:50:47.480 --> 00:50:51.639
the road sometimes. So yeah,
yeah, what it is is twenty So

627
00:50:51.760 --> 00:50:58.199
twenty nineteen is on the Trail of
Bigfoot and tearing the Skuis and Momo,

628
00:50:58.599 --> 00:51:05.320
and then twenty twenty is we'll start
off with The Mothman Legacy, which is

629
00:51:05.360 --> 00:51:09.199
a direct sequel to The Mothman of
Point Pleasant, and then the Mark of

630
00:51:09.239 --> 00:51:14.559
the bell Witch and then on the
Trail of UFOs and more than likely on

631
00:51:14.599 --> 00:51:17.599
the Trail of UFOs is going to
be sort of a late twenty twenty release,

632
00:51:20.679 --> 00:51:24.320
but we'll see, we'll see if
it's late twenty twenty or early twenty

633
00:51:24.320 --> 00:51:28.639
two. I just don't know yet
how it's coming out in that year.

634
00:51:28.719 --> 00:51:34.800
And then right now we're actually talking
about scaling back a little bit the release

635
00:51:34.880 --> 00:51:40.039
schedule starting in twenty twenty one and
putting more focus into each individual title.

636
00:51:42.280 --> 00:51:45.480
But you know, I mean,
we'll have to see how everything plays out,

637
00:51:45.480 --> 00:51:46.920
because we never know. We don't
even know if we're going to be

638
00:51:47.000 --> 00:51:52.000
here in twenty twenty, like like
as an independent, Yeah, as an

639
00:51:52.039 --> 00:51:55.360
independent, you never know what's going
to happen from your years or so that

640
00:51:55.440 --> 00:52:00.320
we have plans in place, obviously, but we are not We're not the

641
00:52:00.320 --> 00:52:04.159
Travel Channel and we don't have right, Yeah, exactly throw up stuff.

642
00:52:04.639 --> 00:52:07.519
Dude. Man, that the bell
which one that's going to be crazy.

643
00:52:08.159 --> 00:52:14.119
I've seen a few things on that
and that could get pretty interesting. Dude.

644
00:52:14.159 --> 00:52:17.440
That's going to be definitely a different, you know, film than most

645
00:52:17.440 --> 00:52:22.280
people are used to. But there's
some interesting subject matter. Dude. Yeah,

646
00:52:22.320 --> 00:52:28.079
it's a it'll be it'll definitely be. Ah, it'll be a departure

647
00:52:28.119 --> 00:52:31.199
from what we've done prior to to
to it because of the fact that if

648
00:52:31.239 --> 00:52:36.440
nothing else, not even i mean
discounting the fact that it's like supernatural and

649
00:52:36.440 --> 00:52:40.239
all that, but if you it's
it's also the fact that it's a historical

650
00:52:40.320 --> 00:52:44.880
story. You know, it's an
old it's a story where we don't really

651
00:52:44.880 --> 00:52:49.079
have witnesses and things like that left. So sure, if nothing else,

652
00:52:49.119 --> 00:52:53.559
it's it'll be different because of that. So looking forward into the UFO thing,

653
00:52:53.760 --> 00:52:59.840
were thinking maybe a little out West
strip Tosk and Walker Ranch or so

654
00:53:00.119 --> 00:53:05.679
we start filming, Yeah, we
start filming on like I'm not going to

655
00:53:05.719 --> 00:53:10.519
give the exact days, but I'll
be heading to like Vegas and Utah and

656
00:53:10.960 --> 00:53:15.000
Arizona actually in the next four Yeah, and the next like four weeks,

657
00:53:15.000 --> 00:53:21.960
I'll be out there so and and
that'll be you know, like I loved

658
00:53:22.159 --> 00:53:25.000
the experience of making on the trail
of Bigfoot, I did not love the

659
00:53:25.039 --> 00:53:30.360
experience of being sort of on camera
and on the trail of big Foot.

660
00:53:30.360 --> 00:53:35.599
It just felt weird to me.
So I will be on camera somewhat and

661
00:53:35.760 --> 00:53:38.119
on the trail of UFOs, but
I'm not I'm not sort of the primary

662
00:53:38.199 --> 00:53:45.440
character. I'm gonna put Shannon LeGrow
as like our our lead in that her

663
00:53:45.480 --> 00:53:47.840
and I have been friends now for
like five years, and I've always wanted

664
00:53:47.880 --> 00:53:52.239
to get, you know, something
going where she could be, where she

665
00:53:52.239 --> 00:53:54.199
could step in front of the camera. So I think that'll be. That'll

666
00:53:54.199 --> 00:53:59.639
be where she sort of finds her
places in front of the camera on the

667
00:53:59.679 --> 00:54:06.760
trailer VUFOS. Naw, Shannon has
some amazing content and trying to set up

668
00:54:06.880 --> 00:54:09.079
a podcast with her in the future, even chatting a little bit back and

669
00:54:09.119 --> 00:54:12.719
forth trying to set something up.
But Na, she's great, man,

670
00:54:12.840 --> 00:54:21.320
She's she is a great host and
content creator. Definitely, Man, this

671
00:54:21.400 --> 00:54:27.599
has been this has been fantastic.
I just want to really thank you taking

672
00:54:27.639 --> 00:54:30.800
the time out of your busy day
and you know, talking to my listeners

673
00:54:30.800 --> 00:54:37.199
about stuff that all your documentaries and
some new stuff about Momo and can you

674
00:54:40.800 --> 00:54:44.599
So you've got your your stuff so
many different places, you know, like

675
00:54:44.800 --> 00:54:49.639
TV Media and Amazon and iTunes and
whatever. Like, what would you say

676
00:54:49.719 --> 00:54:54.599
if someone wanted to check out your
stuff, what's the best way for them

677
00:54:54.719 --> 00:54:58.960
to do that but also to support
you at the same time. Yeah,

678
00:54:59.079 --> 00:55:00.440
I mean, if you wanted to
support us, the best way to support

679
00:55:00.519 --> 00:55:06.559
us is to like buy the DVDs
through through through the website or you know,

680
00:55:06.719 --> 00:55:09.239
Vimeo. We get one hundred percent
of our ninety percent of of what

681
00:55:09.280 --> 00:55:13.480
we make on Vimeo, which is
nice. We don't tell much on there,

682
00:55:13.519 --> 00:55:15.480
but that's that's a great way.
That's a great way to support us.

683
00:55:15.960 --> 00:55:19.519
Amazon. I mean, you know, people are going to gravitate to

684
00:55:19.599 --> 00:55:22.400
get to Amazon because it's like most
of our stuff's free on Amazon Prime.

685
00:55:22.519 --> 00:55:27.840
We get very little from from Amazon
Prime. And Amazon continues to sort of

686
00:55:27.920 --> 00:55:31.599
screw content creators. I agree with
that. Yeah, it's getting it's getting

687
00:55:31.639 --> 00:55:36.199
worse and worse. They actually just
changed all the payot stuff again, which

688
00:55:36.199 --> 00:55:38.800
we're waiting to see how bad that's
going to hit us. But yeah,

689
00:55:38.840 --> 00:55:45.480
like there we're all over the place
iTunes and Google Play and and you know,

690
00:55:45.519 --> 00:55:49.800
and obviously that's not all our movies. The Blackmormer movies are available on

691
00:55:49.960 --> 00:55:54.519
Amazon, Vimeo on demand and the
new newer ones are appearing on vidi Space,

692
00:55:55.920 --> 00:56:00.960
which is run by my my buddy
Elizabeth Saint. So so yeah,

693
00:56:01.000 --> 00:56:05.599
if you're if you're looking to support
us, the DVDs are great and you

694
00:56:05.639 --> 00:56:08.280
get like the bonus content, which
is usually like like some sort of making

695
00:56:08.320 --> 00:56:14.400
a feature where you can see us
running around like idiots with cameras. But

696
00:56:14.599 --> 00:56:16.840
if you want the good stuff,
you gotta get out on that Kickstarter guys,

697
00:56:16.880 --> 00:56:22.719
because I've got a small Town Monster's
hat coming. That's yeah, those

698
00:56:22.719 --> 00:56:25.559
are those are gonna be great.
We actually have them that they're they're waiting

699
00:56:25.639 --> 00:56:32.360
to be sent as soon as as
soon as Momo stuff is done that all

700
00:56:32.639 --> 00:56:37.960
the like final batchup Kickstarter rewards go
out. So it's it's been such an

701
00:56:37.960 --> 00:56:42.559
insane year because of the fact that
we had so many backers in the campaign,

702
00:56:42.599 --> 00:56:45.719
like it seems I think it was
like four hundred and fifty backers or

703
00:56:45.719 --> 00:56:49.920
something, which is crazy for us. So it's been it's been a little

704
00:56:50.639 --> 00:56:53.960
more not delayed, but it's been
staggering the rewards more than we usually have

705
00:56:54.039 --> 00:56:58.800
to just because you're still waiting on
like some some of the packers to send

706
00:56:58.840 --> 00:57:00.880
in their in phones to so we
can get their T shirt sizes. Oh

707
00:57:01.079 --> 00:57:05.519
yeah, totally so yeah, but
there's there were so many rewards in this

708
00:57:05.599 --> 00:57:09.280
year's campaign it's insane. Next year
is gonna be great, man. We

709
00:57:09.360 --> 00:57:14.760
have we have a yeah, we
have a five year retrospective book like a

710
00:57:14.840 --> 00:57:20.559
coffee table book being done with.
It's mostly gonna be written by Mark Matzki

711
00:57:20.639 --> 00:57:23.119
and then it's gonna have like interviews
with all of us and all this like

712
00:57:23.159 --> 00:57:28.239
behind the scenes photos and stuff like
that. So it's gonna be the next

713
00:57:28.320 --> 00:57:30.679
Next year is gonna be awesome because
that's the official like five year anniversaries.

714
00:57:32.039 --> 00:57:37.760
Very cool. Also, you guys
have the monster Opolis podcast. Correct,

715
00:57:38.239 --> 00:57:42.239
Yes, yeah, we missed two
weeks in a row, which was our

716
00:57:42.239 --> 00:57:45.400
first time to miss anything just because
of the shooting a momo and then all

717
00:57:45.480 --> 00:57:50.519
right, Mark had a family issue
had to change two last week, so

718
00:57:50.559 --> 00:57:52.280
we were we missed two weeks in
a row. But we start up I

719
00:57:52.320 --> 00:57:55.719
think Thursday of this week and we're
gonna jump in this more conspiracy stuff.

720
00:57:58.199 --> 00:58:04.199
Very cool, very cool. Yeah, I was driving Uber listening to the

721
00:58:04.599 --> 00:58:10.039
Black Helicopter episode and just the way
you were I was like, oh boy,

722
00:58:10.000 --> 00:58:13.559
yeah, I was not expecting the
helicopter to go that way, but

723
00:58:14.000 --> 00:58:19.480
it was very very interesting. Yeah, were you listening to that while driving

724
00:58:19.559 --> 00:58:23.559
Uber? Over over the speakers?
Oh no, sorry. So what I

725
00:58:23.599 --> 00:58:30.400
do is like when I am actually
driving customers, I just put on Apple

726
00:58:30.480 --> 00:58:35.280
Music or whatever. But like when
I'm just trying to find someone, I'll

727
00:58:35.320 --> 00:58:38.519
listen to podcasts because if you're playing
that after picking up a customer, that'd

728
00:58:38.559 --> 00:58:42.719
be amazing then be total five star
for sure. Yeah, I want to

729
00:58:42.760 --> 00:58:46.679
get one of those big Foot air
fresheners so I can start to have conversations

730
00:58:46.719 --> 00:58:52.800
about Bigfoot with the customers, and
yeah, that'd be pretty cool but cool.

731
00:58:52.840 --> 00:58:58.480
Anything else you would you would like
to maybe send, like a plug

732
00:58:58.559 --> 00:59:04.840
for listeners or you know anything.
You just see Terror and the Guys comes

733
00:59:04.840 --> 00:59:08.480
out on totally on Friday, and
uh, I'm proud of it is like

734
00:59:08.559 --> 00:59:14.679
one of uh it's one of the
more seth breed Levee and movies that we've

735
00:59:14.679 --> 00:59:19.800
done. So it's kind of schmalty
in that way. But we're really proud

736
00:59:19.840 --> 00:59:22.880
of that one. It looks it
looks fantastic like Cinemato, it really does.

737
00:59:23.079 --> 00:59:28.719
Yeah, and uh so we're really
really excited to see how audiences respond

738
00:59:28.760 --> 00:59:31.559
to it. The story at the
beginning with you know, the little kid,

739
00:59:31.639 --> 00:59:36.440
and it kind of as a Spielberg
feel to it. That's fantastic.

740
00:59:37.480 --> 00:59:39.360
And then, uh, I just
I don't love how you guys focus on

741
00:59:39.559 --> 00:59:44.519
Midwest towns, like the older Midwest
towns is very cool, very cool living

742
00:59:44.519 --> 00:59:49.320
out here in Iowa. I can
really appreciate that. But dude, thanks

743
00:59:49.360 --> 00:59:52.360
again for for hopping on with us
for a few minutes tonight. And uh

744
00:59:53.320 --> 00:59:58.079
yeah, guys, go check out
a set stuff and have a great night.

745
00:59:58.119 --> 01:00:00.320
SASA, thanks for having me.
Yeah, man, see it all

746
01:00:00.400 --> 01:00:06.800
right back, all right now.
That was actually a early solid episode and

747
01:00:07.079 --> 01:00:14.119
it's fun to remember as I was
listening to it the first time I was

748
01:00:14.199 --> 01:00:17.000
really able to talk to Seth.
This is a cool time. Also pretty

749
01:00:17.079 --> 01:00:22.119
solid stuff from Area X. If
you want to read more amazing things about

750
01:00:22.159 --> 01:00:27.760
Area X, you can get the
great book Value of the Apes by Michael

751
01:00:27.800 --> 01:00:34.840
May's that goes a little bit into
what Seth experienced when they were there filming.

752
01:00:35.079 --> 01:00:37.760
But the book is just incredible.
It should be on your bookshelves already.

753
01:00:39.000 --> 01:00:46.000
Again, thank you for listening.
Don't miss Friday's episode. Yeah,

754
01:00:46.039 --> 01:00:53.440
you won't be expecting it, you
really won't. Thanks for listening. You're

755
01:00:53.480 --> 01:00:59.599
a Big Society. Article is to
provide a platform for those that have encountered

756
01:00:59.639 --> 01:01:05.159
big to share their encounter in a
safe and respected environment. But we need

757
01:01:05.239 --> 01:01:08.800
to hear your story. If you've
experienced something that you just can't explain,

758
01:01:09.119 --> 01:01:15.679
please send me an email at Bigfoot
Society at gmail dot com. Then we

759
01:01:15.719 --> 01:01:21.039
can start the conversation. And I
know a lot of you have not shared

760
01:01:21.639 --> 01:01:25.880
your encounter at all. It's been
twenty years and it's time that you get

761
01:01:25.920 --> 01:01:30.079
this off your chest and then you
can get some well deserved for rest because

762
01:01:30.119 --> 01:01:35.519
I know you haven't been sleeping.
I understand what you're going through, and

763
01:01:35.559 --> 01:01:37.480
I appreciate every one of you listening.