Episode 5: Seth Breedlove and the Terror of Area X (Bigfoot Society Classic)

0:00 We don't even know if we're going to be here in twenty twelve. They say life is what happens to you on the way that you try to get to where you're going. And in this case, life is a small desk and the basement of your old house us and talking into your iPhone with terrible audio quality. It's meeting people along the way to end up becoming a large part of what it is that you're making. So we're going back to episode

1:36 number one, and then we're starting all over. See where we've come, where we went through, and maybe some episodes along the way that you name catch so join me, so we hear old episodes and me old friends for the first time. In this week's big Foot Society Classic, Welcome back to another episode of the big Foot Society podcast. This is a classic episode.

2:23 It's actually the first interview that I ever did with another person. Well, yeah, miss missus Seth Breedlove from June of twenty nineteen. I'm sure you'll enjoy this throwback episode. I can't remember a thing about it, but I do remember it was very enjoyable and I was pumped to talk to Seth. And I've been able to talk to him a few times since then. But before we get started, if you would like to help out the podcast for something that costs absolutely nothing, please subscribe to where you're listening to it on and also, if it's not on YouTube, go over to YouTube subscribe to big Faciety there. Share the podcast with your friends and any online groups that you're in, and we will continue to grow towards the moon. We're going to the moon. Get on your moon shoes and don't miss Friday's show.

3:22 All right, thanks for listening, Hello everyone, and welcome to the Bigfoot Society podcast. We've got a fantastic episode for you today. We've got the Seth breed Love here, well not here, but you know he's over the magic of Skype, and we'll be hearing from him and a little bit we'll talk about all sorts of cool stuff and you'll be getting some a little bit of new info about some of films he's got coming out, but really fantastic discussion about big Foot. And I do say that we'd fantastic about ten thousand times during the interview. So but first we want to hear from one of our listeners, Andy, So let me play this real quick. He's going to share what his favorite historical encounter or story about Bigfoot was, so let's check it out. Hello, Jeremiah, this is Andy from the Bigfoot Gumbo podcast. My favorite historical account of Bigfoot is the nineteen forty one Ruby Creek encounter with Jeanie Chapman and her children. It's my favorite because it occurred seventeen years before the name Bigfoot was used in newspapers in twenty six years before the Patterson Gimlin film, giving this story a lot of credibility. Thanks thanks again, Andy for sharing that favorite Bigfoot encounter you had. Again, if you

4:56 want to share a message with the big Foot society as well, stick around. You'll hear later on the show how you can do that. Again. Check out Andy. He's got his own podcast to Bigfoot Gumbo is what it's called, as he just heard pretty good stuff, so go ahead and check him out there. Let's get into the main event tonight. We're gonna have our interview with Seth Breedlove next. So get ready everyone, This is our interview with Seth Breedlove and we got some questions for him about all the big foot stuff he does for the podcast. And he's got some questions along the way as well. Seth, do you mind if I have you go ahead and introduce yourself and what it is you do. Yeah, yeah, I'm Seth Breedlove. I run. I don't know, I never know how to put it. I help run Small Town Monsters, which is an independent film production company based in Wadsworth, Ohio that I operate with my wife and probably like three or four friends as far as like the core group of guys, and then there's a much larger group of people that are involved in various apparently you they're involved in various capacities kind of based around the country. So yeah, it's it's a completely I always say, it's like a completely autonomous independent

6:29 production company that is slowly growing across four and a half years, and we make mostly documentaries focused on the paranormal and cryptids and unexplained subjects. Very cool, very cool. Steth is definitely being humble. If you haven't checked out any of his documentaries, they are fantastic. I myself am a super fan of On the Trail of big Foot Man that was that was fantastic and Terror in the Skies. I was a PA on that with my buddy Andrew up here in Iowa. We did some interviews for SETH but man, they're just getting better and better, dude, like awesome, Yeah, it's on the trailer was weird because I could not, I mean, going into it, I had told my wife I thought that was going to be the one that like killed us because like you or killed it. Well yeah, that but like also just killed their reputation because I was I like that, you know, like it was it was called like a solo filmmaking experiment or whatever, which isn't entirely true. I mean, there were people involved in the shooting of On the Trail of Bigfoot to an extent, like we had you know, when I went to Pa, like, I had someone holding an extra camera, so I was actually able to be in some of the shots, although you'd be shocked at like how many of the scenes that I'm in are

8:00 are really just like repeated shots just from different angles. Yeah, it's it's it's kind of funny, but yeah, I know that the editing of that, it was what I was convinced was just going to do us in because I couldn't. I edited the whole thing. I mean, I edited all our movies myself, but I edited all of On the Trailer Bicks, but by myself, and it was done in no joke, about a six to eight week period of frantic editing, where I had thought it would just be a very sort of breezy edit. And I don't know why that is, because there were twenty two people interviewed, there's you know, multiple multiple locations and all that kind of stuff. But I really thought, you know, well, I don't have to deal with like effects shots and all that.

8:48 And what it turns out is like those effects shots are great because like they're just coverage and most of the time the artist has already done all the works. I don't really to do squad with that. But with this, it was it was trying to find trying to make everything fit together. So every episode of On the Trail of big Foot was edited like multiple times. Like I would do it. I would do a cut and then realize I hated it, and then recut it and then realize that didn't work, and then recut it again. So like every episode, with the exception of episode five and I believe six, were edited like three or four times and then just just to get them working because I don't do I don't do like any kind of pre planning, which is probably pretty obvious honestly if you're watching, I don't do any like pre planning, and the stories really come together in the edit. It's there's a lot of like, you know, just shooting by the seat of our pants and then hopefully we can find find the through line for everything. Momo changes all that because the whole thing scripted. But oh my gosh, I'm so pumped for Momo. You have no idea, like just to see Cliff and Bobo in those shots where you have them like dressed up as like I don't even know like if it's cowboys or like possible or what Cliff is is if you look at like the actual photos of who they're playing, that is what those dudes kind of like kind of how they dressed, which is Surrey. But yeah, Cliff's playing Chief Ward, Chief Shelby Ward, who's a real guy. And that was one of the dudes that led. He was the Louisiana Sheriff and he actually led the posse, one

10:22 of the posse's up the hill to look for for Momo on Star Hill, and Bobo was playing like an amalgamation of multiple deputies that were around at that time, and and then you know, like the Momo we haven't talked too much about, and very purposely like we're trying to keep all the focus right now on terror and this guys, because it has an uphill battle given the subject matter, so we're kind of like really pushing terror. But I'm I'm dying to promote Momo because as soon as people start seeing trailers and Lyles sort of Lyle's place in the movie is very different from what we've done before because he's playing sort of a late night horror host who's introducing audiences to this unreleased movie from the nineteen seventies called Momo the Missouri Monster. And then the movie will segue back and forth between this like over the top nineteen seventies drive in movie called Momo and the actual documentary portion of the movie. So we interviewed like the real we interviewed like the real Shelby Ward's daughter and like people like that, So you'll it's weird. It's like Rashamone by way of like Bigfoot and Grindhouse movies from the seventies. Bizarre. Oh what was I listening to the other day? This is terrib No, it was you. You had that episode about Bigot Bigfoot ploytation movies. Was that you? Yeah, Yeah,

11:54 that was such an amazing episode. There's like, man, I gotta watch a lot of episodes. Cool, Yeah, that's all. Most of that's mark. Yeah, most of that's marked though, because like I come through it with like the typical you know, like to check out Lychen and boggy cretic creature from Black Lake. Mark fled that. I can't even remember the name of it. There's this movie he talked about that was like directed by Robert W. Morgan. That's the nineteen seventies, uh, like like Sasquatch playtation movie with Robert Morgan in it, and he directed it, and uh, well, I can't think of what it's called. But it's horrendous but kind of good at the same time. It's weird. But I watched it recently. It is it is a weird, weird movie. Having said that, I can't remember the title of it, so this is pointless.

12:43 But yeah, we are We're we are really like stoked about Momo and anyone who's into our stuff will probably have some hesitance when when when the trailer and stuff come out, because I think it's gonna look like almost it's almost going to look, uh as if we have made everything that we have always kind of ranted or raved against, like all the all the over the top dramatizations and all that kind of stuff. And then and then the trailer is going to come out, and you're gonna see this trailer for this movie that looks like we have made that like a way over the top dramatization of a real events and it kind of is the Shark, Yeah yeah, but at the same time, like we kind of it is. It is also like quintessential small Tone Monsters. I have a feeling this is going to be like for STEM fans, like people who are really into STM, and this will be this will be a project that they kind of claim as their favorite. Yeah, I'm excited. I'm I'm excited for it, dude. Like, Okay, so I was plugged for you guys. I was one of the kickstarters, and so I've had access to, like you know, on the trailer big Foot tearing these guys for quite a while, and so I totally forgot that like tearing the guises and even it's not even out yet. Right right comes out fly day. Yeah so but yeah it so listeners. Next time Seth has a Kickstarter, get on that. I mean, just today I got the the signed DVD of Tearing This guys, plus a cool little sticker

14:18 as well in the mail, and they're still like cool. There's still all kinds of stuff coming for like backers, and and we're going to do some cool stuff with the Momo DVD. I'm thinking of doing like a two disc set because we have the way the this is. This will be the first time I've talked about any of this, but like the way I'm editing the the sort of like drive in narrative film is it is literally being edited start to finish as its own separate movie, and then I'll be chopping that up and it'll be edited naturally into you know, the actual full length like documentary and it'll slow really well, but there will be an existent start to finish cut of the narrative. So what we're gonna do is we're gonna put that narrative film on on the DVD. So anyone that wants to watch like the narrative film without you know, like without to see what it would be like if you actually saw that movie. You'll be able to watch it, dude.

15:16 I love that. That's so cool. That's very cool. It's crazy. It's like a it's a it's a family drama mashed up with like, you know, the Legend of block Creek style sort of docu drama thing, the Legend of Bloggy Creek sort of spearheaded, and then like just the most ridiculous over the top kind of like Sasquatch ploytation stuff from the series. It really does have like we set out to make something that would feel like it was a movie made in the seventies that no one's ever seen, and I think like we successfully pulled it off. And like the Bobo cliff Cliffs scenes are by far, like those posse scenes are the best scenes in the entire movie. And it's like it's really crazy, and there's some super quotable lines.

16:11 Please say, there's bloopers? Are there's so many bloopers and I might Yeah, we're definitely gonna have to do that for the you have blooper real dude. Yeah. And in the beginning, like the movie opens with this very like seventies almost like slasher scene which is sort of a recreation of the the I can't never remember what their name Joan Mills and Mary Ryan. It might be I might be getting it might be Mary Ryan and Jan Mills. Either way, the they were picnicking and they encountered Momos supposedly one year prior to the Harrison Family Encounters. So this is like a retelling of that, only in like nineteen seventies slasher style, and then it ends. So it begins with that movie and then the movie ends with this insane posse sequence.

17:00 Little It's sort of one of the big moments of the entire movie. Dude, I love insane posse sequences. Like you've looked have you heard of the van Meter Visitor? You've heard the Van Meter visit? Oh? Yes, So the end of that is like they they posse up and they chase it over to the mine at the edge of Van Meter and like the des Moines registers, like and they shot enough to blow it straight to hell. Yes, but can you imagine like that posse scene, like that's legit. Yeah, that that's that's what this is because like I grew up sort of loving, loving the idea of like the posse, and this is this is kind of that. So very cool, very cool. Oh also listeners and if you care stuff that's cool too. But plug for the van meter visitor festivals and this fault. And we have Linda Godfrey coming down this time and she is going to be debuting her new documentary DVD about panthers like a Panther crippy.

18:11 So it'll be fantastic where excited? Yeah, really cool be the first time she's shown it. So good stuff, good stuff. I wanted so wanted to go back luke around and on the trail of big Foot. So first off, when I first started watching, that took me right back to when I was a little kid and I was watching In Search of with my dad and I was like, man, like this is really cool to be a part of this because like just those drone footage shots you have along with the music fits great. Good stuff specifically about like the area the area episode I love because I wasn't expecting you to take it in a direction for like conservation, but it worked extremely well. Like that was fantastic. What was what was the craziest, Like when you look back at your time on Area X or being down there and I know you had like pretty bad migraines, right, I remember hearing about that. Yeah, I had migraines for We got in there on a on like a Jess, I can't remember it was.

19:25 We were only in there for two and a half days. I mean there's such a short period of time and in that entire time, I never got rid of the headache, like like, I had one of these migraines pretty much the entire time we're in there. So what do you think, what's the so besides that, what's the craziest like story you have out of Area X from from my time in there? Yeah, I mean for my I mean, the craziest thing that happened isn't even necessarily the I mean it probably be in terms of like the weirdest thing that happened. It was everything that led up to the you know to the rock throw and the oh yeah yeah and the screen we heard that night. But you know, prior to that, there was there was all sorts of strange stuff because of the fact that Brian and Darryl we were call blasting. And I'm when I say strange stuff, I don't mean that like it was strange like paranormal activity like they they were call blasting Gregorian chants. Yeah, yeah, like and it's super creepy, like because you're in this place where it's really quiet. There isn't a ton of like animal noise or cricket noise or any of that kind of stuff in there, so it's very very sort of quiet, and you've just got these these Grigorian chants call blasting out across this valley, you know, and and it's pitch black and you can't see your hand in front of your face, and you know, and eventually Daryl started like calling back and forth

20:56 with an owl. It was just a really yeah, as a really bizarre sequence that led up to that that rock throw. But I mean the rock throw what you know. So so for listeners, the event that happened, it was like two thirty in the morning. It's our last night there, and and I was going to I had to go to bed because like I had this migraine. I wanted to stay up and just try to hopefully capture some sort of evidence of something, you know, in the woods. But I was I was call blasting or they were call blasting, and you know, like finally the headache got me and I decided I was going to go to bed. So we went to We went to sleep around midnight, and at two thirty am, I still hadn't managed to fall asleep, and I was just laying there with this pounding headache. But I just started to kind of doze off, and it was it was about that moment that this like ear piercing like crash happened. And it was clearly like a rock hitting the roof of what they call the Hooch was just like this metal outbuilding. So that yes, so the the the rock crashes into the roof of that building, and pretty much as soon as it does, there's there's no real silence following it. I mean, it was almost instantaneous. I mean, my you know, my eyes shoot open, Adams shoot open. We're both looking at each other. We're still laying down, and then this whoop happens,

22:26 and it was I always say it was like a John Wayne movie, like a like a stereotypical like Apache Warrior in a John Wayne movie or something like that. You know, it was just like this whoop and then it was followed by, uh, this laughter, like really weird, like chimp like laughter. The closest thing we've found that it sounded like was like a gibbon sort of laughter. Yeah. Okay, So the and and all that happens in the span of like twenty seven twenty thirty seconds something like that. It's like it's very abrupt and it's over, you know, and and so so in terms of like what was the thing that happened to me in there that's the most memorable, I mean, it was that. But it's really hard for me to just like distinguish one event because there was so much going on in there that you just you kind of get to the point where you had to tune stuff out. Like I heard the Ohio how while we were in there at one point and super distant, way distant, like I was hearing something like you were hearing a memory or it was. It was bizarre.

23:33 I mean it was it was way off in the distance. We heard talking on the road one night we had not night. During the middle of day, we were walking out out the road that that sort of leads out of Area X, and there was a we got like two hundred yards outside of base camp and where we're out on the dirt road, and we heard what sounded like a man and a woman talking in the road behind us, but not far from us, and it was, but it was like sort of you couldn't distinguish what was being said. We thought it was Bob and Cathy back at base camp. So we radiated back and they hadn't been talking at all. So so we started sort of trying to replicate what we had heard, and they were they had heard it too. That's why they were radioing us. They wanted to know if we were talking on the road, and so we started talking as loud as we could and and they couldn't hear They couldn't hear us, and we couldn't hear them, so it was kind of crazy. Hey, I have a question no for you? Yeah's if I had to pause for a second. Is that cool? I there's apparently a dead baby bunny in my backyard that my wife needs me to get out of.

24:44 Ye take care of that. I will. I will talk to my listeners for a few minutes, No problem, man. Yeah, this isn't live, isn't it It is? Oh? This is being recorded? Okay, Yeah, okay, cool? Yeah, I guess I could. I could edit it out too if I needed, But you're good, all right? Yeah? Just give me like two seconds I'll get it out of here. You got it all right, So let's take a little time out where Seth takes care of business. Talk about the one big foot sighting that des Moines has seen de Moine, Iowa a few years ago down by the river in the snow, they saw big foot tracks. Pretty crazy. I know, I'm doing this off the top of my head. Here's the thing.

25:34 Also, next time Seth has a Kickstarter, you guys really need to get on that, just because you know, I've had two DVDs come so far. Also, there's gonna be a hat, there's gonna be a shirt. It's gonna be really cool. And plus Seth has been a really humble so far with how he's been talking, but he's really paving the way for the next generation of really monster hunters. So you put your money towards something that is pretty cool. And I mean, just imagine being back in the you know, eighties and being able to put up the money for in search of and you know how much of a difference that has caused. And you know, like just think about like the documentaries that he makes. It's gonna make a huge difference for the future. You know, people like well you know, you think of your your top dogs and cryptosiology right now. I think of like you know, Jeff Muldroum and you know, Lauren Coleman. Not to say that they're super old, but they are, you know, starting to get up in years years, But so am I. But you know, the next generation has got to get that cool stuff in order for them to get exact. Sorry about that, no from So yeah, it's so inex Like every single thing there was just constant. There's stuff that like I

27:04 I don't even remember, it's crazy happening. Like there was there was a there was an incident when we were walking and the smell was following us, you know, and it was it was really bizarre. Yeah, really really bizarre kind of incident. But I mean the entire trip started off within three hours of getting in there. It was you know, when Darrel sort of started telling us that he was scoping in a scoping in a big foot, you know, with a gun. So oh that that part just that blows my mind. Like when I saw like it was like he's got one in his sights, Like that's phenomenal, you know, and like but it's like you got to do research into these guys and like how serious they take this, Like these guys are scientists. It's like they are hardcore, you know.

27:59 Yeah, I mean I wouldn't. I wouldn't. I wouldn't want to. It would be disingenuous if I said anyone that was in there with us was a scientist. But there are definitely biologists and ecologists and all kinds of people like that in the group. The group that was in there with us was was Kathy, who was a she's she's a tribal relations manager for Standards Laws National Forest. And then there's Bob Straam was like an EMT and firefighter paramedic. And then Brian who runs a an extremely successful marketing firm. And I mean everyone in that group is someone very cool, very cool. Yeah, awesome, let me look at my Oh yeah, so I have kind of a list here. So there was a big gathering just a few days ago or a week ago out in Pennsylvania, like the big Foot camping thing.

29:00 Do you have anything cool to share from that or anything awesome that happened, maybe like really new news or whatever. There there was actually a track found on on like Saturday night that was in an interesting place. It's just very difficult to you know, you're at a camping adventure that's entirely focused round pick Foot. See anything that happens, you have to take the rain as salt, obviously. But it was found by dude I know who I know, he wouldn't have faked it or anything. His little daughter actually his daughter found it and they cast it it and it was an interesting track, you know, and cast. There was a fox with no fur that was seen on the dodge across the road one night, so that that's kind of cool too, But you know, other than that, I don't think there was anything. You know. The only thing is like we're on they're on the ridge, like they're on the Chestnut Ridge. So totally there's there's all kind of weird stuff out there. Yes, you've got like your UFO stuff like yeah, another great documentary chest Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, that's that's one of my favorites actually of ours, but so good. But yeah, the uh, there was there was nothing. I would you know, necessarily think was was a very squatchy activity. But I didn't go out late at night either, so I know I did see the Eric Altman said there was like a loud sort of grunt that happened outside of his cabin last night actually

30:36 at at the ground. But this is I mean that that event takes place. It's it's literally on the Chestnut Ridge. So you're you're sort of heard of it all in Ohio Pyle area, which is where they you know, that's the closest town to where they are is is Actually that's that's where the the sighting that has talked about in like episode four, that that's the that's the one where the lady like shot at the thing and that was on her porch and it like disappeared. That's that's Ohio pile. Oh wow, crazy, that'd be right near where where we were. Dude. Pennsylvania is nuts. Like I grew up in the Northeast and like Pennsylvania it gets wild, Like people don't realize once you get out there, it's it's would it do?

31:26 Yeah, it's a it's ah, there's there's some spots there in Pa. The thing about Pa that's a little it's a lot like Ohio and the fact that the undergrowth can get so thick you can't even move into it, you know, but the the the leaf canopy and then sort of the the way the mountain. It's so rugged and mountainous, and some spots it almost feels like you're being engulfed by the forest. It's it's disturbing in a way that crazy man, crazy crazy stuff. Let's let's go over a few I gotta how first off, how we're doing for time? We're good? Oh yeah, yeah, I'm good. Cool. I can't do anything. There's like a my dog got this baby bunny. It's just like chilling in my backyard. I don't think it killed it, and I think it's still okay.

32:19 So I'm not sure what to do is I'm probably just gonna leave it and hope the mom comes and gets it. Sorry that it's okay. Well, well morn tomorrow. Uh, let's okay. So here's some questions. What would you say? What is your favorite? Like, you know how there's different historical Bigfoot events that have happened. What do you think you're what would you see? Your favorite? Is my favorite historical? Like if we're talking pre seventies, it's uh, it's a canyon totally, That's what I was thinking. Yeah, yeah, And we've we've been eyeing sort of making an eight canny movie for a while now. Which which we I mean, we've had talks with investors and all sorts of stuff about like trying to create basically a narrative film based around the Ape Canon incident because it's it's been one of my favorites for for a very long period of time. It's why it's Wow associating of on the trail of Pickfoot. So that's my that's definitely my favorite. You've got people coming up outside a Kickstarter, they're like, hey, if you wanted to make this, this would be cool. We've had talks where it was more like, you know, would you be interested in being being the money being this because this is not something where we could do that for you know, even kickstarter money or Kickstarter is great, but they if you tried to create a good, you know, movie with like good costumes and all that kind of stuff based on the Ape Canon incident on what we can raise on a Kickstarter, I don't think we could do it.

33:52 So yeah, we're kind of looking toward doing something about Ape Canon. But yeah, that's that's that's my favorite. I Mean, there's a ton that I like here in Ohio. There's a story called the Norwalk Ape, which was this you know and and there was actually originally an entire section of episode one of On the Trail of big Foot that talked about the Norwalk Norwalk Ape case and I ended uh, I ended up cutting it out because it just affected the pacing of that episode. It was only about two minutes, but it affected the pacing pretty pretty drastically totally. But it was all you know, in the thirties, there was this rash of sightings in Norwalk, Ohio of this this ape you know, like creature this scene and and naturally culminated in a posse forming and going after it. So yeah, yeah, so that's that's a great one too. I mean there's you know, Ruby Creeks, great, there's a lot that I that I really love. And then you get into the seventies and you got Minerva and Whitehall and all that stuff that I love. Obviously, that's cool. Yeah, we went to the we're out visiting my parents and uh north of Boston, and I talked him into They were like, what do you want to do when you're out here, Like, there's a museum up in Portland, Maine. We should check out. It's kind of cool, you know, it's got like big Foot and stuff, and they're like, okay, cool. So they we went on a road trip up to the International Cryptis Welogy Museum and that was fantastic.

35:22 They had a little eight Canyon exhibit up there is awesome. Yeah, yeah, there and there a couple of times nail from it or yeah it's a really cool place though, very cool. Let's see, what do you so? What is your let's say, favorite book regarding subject to Bigfoot. Yeah, if you have one you had to recommend. Yeah, that's a good question. I want to go lofty and be like Rain Raincoast, Sasquatch or like John Green. It's it probably I mean, first strictly on Bigfoot, it's probably Beast of Boggy Creek, Lyle's book. And I'm not just saying right, I've worked with Lyle. I really have always liked his approach to that particular book, that book in Lizard Band especially, and and uh so those two have always been, you know a couple of my favorites.

36:25 I love the way though the story is told. And uh so, yeah, it's probably that I'm trying to think there's something I'm I'm forgetting because I've read I have read a lot in my you know, we have a little like mini library at sdmh Q. When you come into like wa the waiting area at the office, there's like a whole there's like two bookcases and they're full of books you know about Bigfoot and the paranormal and stuff like that. But those that's a crazy library. Yeah, And he donates books to the to the STM library, so he'll just like find stuff and bring it in and put it on the shelf. Yeah. So yeah, it's probably it's probably Beast of Boggy Creek. I love Coleman's big Foot book though, the True Story of Apes in America, and it's very like basic, and I know, like I feel like in some ways that that book might have been the inspiration from the trailer Bigfoot, just because it really it really acts as like a great primer to the whole subject for someone that might not have much of a knowledge of it. So so it's it's probably I think it's going to be Beast of Boggy Creek. Now, awesome. Let me flip that in a different way too. If you let's say you had someone who is like, oh man, this Bigfoot stuff is pretty awesome, and so they're just getting into it, what would you recommend them kind of start out things with. Yeah, that Coleman, same thing. Yeah, the Coleman book.

37:47 And I love I've got I mean, I have some Green, some John Green, but I weirdly haven't read like the books that sort of define him. I have read On the Trail of or I think it's On the Track of Sasquatch or whatever, which is really just a collection of stories that he collected over the years that I that I really love, And I think something like that could actually work more maybe even more so than than something like Coleman's book, just because I think for a lot of people that are getting or maybe not even getting into the subject, but who know very little about Bigfoot and just have a minor interest, there's an idea that that that the subject revolves around like one or two sightings from the fifties and sixties and and and maybe it's just of like one creature that roams the world or whatever, you know, like like Santa Claus or the Easter Bunny and the it's talked about in the first episode of On the Trail of big Foot, But like the most intriguing thing as a rash an old sort of person coming to the subject for the first time. Something that can make you sort of to, you know, to take a second look at it, maybe would be the fact that the sightings there's a pattern of character behaviors that that makes it worth

39:20 that second look, you know, because because this is all hoaxes or misidentification, there shouldn't be sort of a pattern of behavior, like behavior that you would attribute to something like an animal. It really should just be you know, you they're they're just people, people making stuff up all the time, like and but but you do have these sort of like character characteristics of these things that that keep popping back up. And I think that's something like Green's work could could be really intriguing for someone who's just coming into it, because you would be and I'm talking strictly about his case files, not necessarily his his know, the books where he really gets into my new show the subject.

40:04 I'm strictly talking about the like on that track of sasquatch and stuff. OK that, so yeah, anything like that or but I mean, it would either be that or Coleman's Bigfoot, The True Story of Apes in America, Beast of Barking Creek is great as a new bi too, because it's so focused on such a singular event. But I also feel like that might be a negative in terms of like it might not get someone further into the subject of bigfoot. They might just walk away from it thinking well, that Falcon monster sounds pretty cool without ever really considering it on the larger, you know, bigfoot scale. Totally, that's cool. It had some good answers. Thanks man. What do you think, So what is the most amazing thing that's happened to you because of your let's say, being involved with a big foot or like you could even say any of your documentaries, like like wow, I would never experience that or met that person if I'd never done this documentary thing. Yeah, I mean that I have a moment on every shoot where I suddenly get very introspective and I wouldn't say I cry. I don't think I've had that experience yet, but I I like inevitably have a moment where I find myself alone and I'm just like, wow, this is this is pretty great, you know, Like when we were shooting on the trail of especially like being up in the Olympic Peninsula, up on the Sound and all that I thought that was. There were some moments there where I

41:34 was like that this is something I never would have experienced if not for exactly these kookie subjects that people laugh at. Yeah, so you know there's that, But I mean, like, as a single I'm trying to like rack my brain for like a single moment that I can really point to. I mean, obviously there's like the whoop in the rock throw, but it wouldn't be anything like that. It wouldn't be anything paranormal. It would be you know, like in terms of like the most amazed thing. It would be like a moment where I I mean like I'm the most recent trip with with Zach and Jason and Luke, Like those are all dudes. Luke and I were roommates for a year and a half. I've known Luke since I was like seventeen years old. Zack and Jason and I have all done friends since we were kids. You know, we laughed more then we've laughed in probably like twenty years. A couple of weeks ago. So while we while we were working on Momo, so like there were times where I was like I really needed this because I you know, you get so sort of bogged down in the editing and or just life or whatever in your so like it's cool to have those moments with your friends, So I probably it could be something like that. Or I mean on the Trail of Bigfoot, had numerous because I hiked with Brandon up in the Mirror Woods above San Francisco and had I had those moments like five times where I was like, I'm I'm so glad I get to do this, you know, like yeah out here, but you know, I'd love I've I've loved getting the opportunity to interview people like

43:09 Coleman and Kathy Strain. But and this isn't in any way like a slight to them, but they've done interviews, so I it always comes back to witnesses for me, Like those are the interviews that really stand out as like interviewing, you know, like Howie Kayton or Brian Gosselin or some of those people you know, like with Lawrence Gray in The Moth made Point pleasant, Like those are the moments that really stand out. Barry Clark and invasion on Cheltern Ridge, like more so than than interviewing, you know, some sort of paranormal investigator author or whatever, because those those guys have done that before and I'm not really going to pull anything from them. For the most part, I'm not going to pull anything from them they haven't already said a hundred times. Whereas getting to talk to someone like Barry Clark or Howie Kayton, they don't do this sort of thing very often. They definitely don't tell their stories over and over again. So so you know, there's I could wax poetic about, like about all the amazing places we've shot and like getting to be with with, uh, you know, people who are because the craziest thing about STM and making the movies is how invested everyone is in what we do and how invested everyone on the crew is, and how invested. I mean the perfect example is the posse scene that we were talking about from Momo because you had, you know, we put we put a call out that

44:42 we wanted people to to come volunteer to be part of this scene. We were shooting down in Zoro, Ohio and it was going to be cold and people are gonna need to be down there for like six to eight hours, and uh, we wouldn't be paying them. And it's not a union job. You're basically going to be out there and the miserable cold with us in the scene. And you know, we had tons of volunteers and we ended up with a full group of guys, like twenty five guys walking around the woods that night. Cliff got sick. It was Cliff. It was sick, sick for like seven days after the shoot because it was so cold and he was in a T shirt. Like we put him in the short sleeve shirt and he would have to take his jacket off to shoot his scenes and then put it back on as soon as we were done shooting. He ended up getting sick. But like, oh man, but like everyone had such a great time, you know, like anytime we experienced that sort of thing where where you see how excited everyone is about what we're doing and being a part of it. Like those moments, I'm I'm always really uh like excited and thankful for I guess they because because this is not it might seem like the easiest, the easiest not easiest, but the funnest like job you could you could have. And I'm like, I'm I'm not complete landing about this in anyway, like it is a dream job, but it's it also gets like incredibly draining, you know when you're like on the schedules we're on.

46:09 So like when you can get like a bunch of people like that together who are excited, it gets me excited again and you get that energy again, the creative energy to put put back into the project. Because when we shot that posse scene, that was on the first weekend of filming Momo, but we had spent an entire day on Friday filming and then on Saturday we were supposed to shoot all day and we only ended up getting two scenes shot, I think, and then got completely rained out. And I was really discouraged about that because I knew that was going to set us back. So so yeah, that's Sunday that we shot the posse scene on. Was was cool and really encouraging. Oh and like we had Alexander Pettikoff with us, Like he showed up, So Alexander made our chant movie with us. Yeah.

46:53 Yeah, but we didn't get to work with Alexander on that, Like I wasn't there for the filming of him, but he was there for this. So that was really cool because like we were out filming and alex was there. It just felt like in a way like a reunion of STM filmmaking. It was kind of cool. So there's those moments. Anything involved with math Man a point pleasant was really like like mind blowing for me. There was there was one morning where I walked out and found and this wasn't even during the shooting of the movie. It was it was actually during the moth mat At festival that year, but I had I had found the plaque where they had that they had put out, you know where that where the bridge used to be. But I was the only one out there, and there was this fog rolling rolling in over the the Ohio River, and it was like one of those moments, those nerd oubts sort of there's a lot of those.

47:45 I'm really rambling about this, but there's a lot of those moments where I'm I'm just amazed by by you know, the situation we're in. That's awesome, that's awesome. It's very important, I think, to take a step back in life and just realize is, realize what you have, you know, and be thankful for it. That's fantastic. What would you say to let's say, like the next generation growing up right now who are interested in searching for you know, big foot, monsters fill in the blank. Like, yeah, no, I'm really glad you said that, because I had this whole talk with Cliff about some stuff over the weekend, not necessarily relating to that, but some other stuff like really insightful and I think the biggest thing I'd tell kids. And this is going to seem this might seem hy bit critical. Hopefully not either way, like focus on the animal or the subject and not like celebrity and your name and like trying to brand yourself and because that stuff is is ruining these subjects. And I say that as someone who makes movies about these subjects, and you know, like I guess like I might be perceived as being branded like the filmmaking guy or whatever, but like I have no problem with people being on TV and being on these shows and that kind of stuff. And in most cases like they you know, like I'm glad they are because they they're knowledgeable about the subjects or whatever.

49:17 But man, like I'm also kind of sick of of just seeing people getting into ufology or the paranormal or Bigfoot solely because they want to get on the next like paranormal TV show or Bigfoot TV show. Or whatever, and it just kind of gets it, kind of gets discouraging. Honestly, I've seen it happen, because you see it happen with people you like and respect, and they change, they change as seniors. They're on these shows like they've got this, you know, like they've got some sort of image they had to protect or whatever. And I get it, Like I totally get it. And I'm friends with a lot of people that have been on these shows, and we've been offered, you know, to be on these shows.

50:00 And I will probably at some point end up on some sort of show as a talking head or something. So I get it, and I have no issues with it. I have an issue with getting into the subjects because you think you can, because that's your motivation, Like you want to do that. I just want to be the next like big personality in the field. Like just I mean, like focus focus on the animal, like not not your not your entertainment value that you you see yourself having. Yeah, do it because you love it. That's awesome, very very cool. I remember you talking a while about the next documentary coming up is going to be on the Bell, Which is that right? It's not the next it's down the road sometimes. So yeah, yeah, what it is is twenty So twenty nineteen is on the Trail of Bigfoot and tearing the Skuis and Momo, and then twenty twenty is we'll start off with The Mothman Legacy, which is a direct sequel to The Mothman of Point Pleasant, and then the Mark of the bell Witch and then on the Trail of UFOs and more than likely on the Trail of UFOs is going to be sort of a late twenty twenty release, but we'll see, we'll see if it's late twenty twenty or early twenty two. I just don't know yet how it's coming out in that year.

51:28 And then right now we're actually talking about scaling back a little bit the release schedule starting in twenty twenty one and putting more focus into each individual title. But you know, I mean, we'll have to see how everything plays out, because we never know. We don't even know if we're going to be here in twenty twenty, like like as an independent, Yeah, as an independent, you never know what's going to happen from your years or so that we have plans in place, obviously, but we are not We're not the Travel Channel and we don't have right, Yeah, exactly throw up stuff. Dude. Man, that the bell which one that's going to be crazy. I've seen a few things on that and that could get pretty interesting. Dude.

52:14 That's going to be definitely a different, you know, film than most people are used to. But there's some interesting subject matter. Dude. Yeah, it's a it'll be it'll definitely be. Ah, it'll be a departure from what we've done prior to to to it because of the fact that if nothing else, not even i mean discounting the fact that it's like supernatural and all that, but if you it's it's also the fact that it's a historical story. You know, it's an old it's a story where we don't really have witnesses and things like that left. So sure, if nothing else, it's it'll be different because of that. So looking forward into the UFO thing, were thinking maybe a little out West strip Tosk and Walker Ranch or so we start filming, Yeah, we start filming on like I'm not going to give the exact days, but I'll be heading to like Vegas and Utah and Arizona actually in the next four Yeah, and the next like four weeks, I'll be out there so and and that'll be you know, like I loved the experience of making on the trail of Bigfoot, I did not love the experience of being sort of on camera and on the trail of big Foot.

53:30 It just felt weird to me. So I will be on camera somewhat and on the trail of UFOs, but I'm not I'm not sort of the primary character. I'm gonna put Shannon LeGrow as like our our lead in that her and I have been friends now for like five years, and I've always wanted to get, you know, something going where she could be, where she could step in front of the camera. So I think that'll be. That'll be where she sort of finds her places in front of the camera on the trailer VUFOS. Naw, Shannon has some amazing content and trying to set up a podcast with her in the future, even chatting a little bit back and forth trying to set something up. But Na, she's great, man, She's she is a great host and content creator. Definitely, Man, this has been this has been fantastic. I just want to really thank you taking the time out of your busy day and you know, talking to my listeners about stuff that all your documentaries and some new stuff about Momo and can you So you've got your your stuff so many different places, you know, like TV Media and Amazon and iTunes and whatever. Like, what would you say if someone wanted to check out your stuff, what's the best way for them to do that but also to support you at the same time. Yeah, I mean, if you wanted to support us, the best way to support

55:00 us is to like buy the DVDs through through through the website or you know, Vimeo. We get one hundred percent of our ninety percent of of what we make on Vimeo, which is nice. We don't tell much on there, but that's that's a great way. That's a great way to support us. Amazon. I mean, you know, people are going to gravitate to get to Amazon because it's like most of our stuff's free on Amazon Prime. We get very little from from Amazon Prime. And Amazon continues to sort of screw content creators. I agree with that. Yeah, it's getting it's getting worse and worse. They actually just changed all the payot stuff again, which we're waiting to see how bad that's going to hit us. But yeah, like there we're all over the place iTunes and Google Play and and you know, and obviously that's not all our movies. The Blackmormer movies are available on Amazon, Vimeo on demand and the new newer ones are appearing on vidi Space, which is run by my my buddy Elizabeth Saint. So so yeah, if you're if you're looking to support us, the DVDs are great and you get like the bonus content, which is usually like like some sort of making a feature where you can see us running around like idiots with cameras. But if you want the good stuff, you gotta get out on that Kickstarter guys, because I've got a small Town Monster's hat coming. That's yeah, those are those are gonna be great. We actually have them that they're they're waiting to be sent as soon as as soon as Momo stuff is done that all

56:32 the like final batchup Kickstarter rewards go out. So it's it's been such an insane year because of the fact that we had so many backers in the campaign, like it seems I think it was like four hundred and fifty backers or something, which is crazy for us. So it's been it's been a little more not delayed, but it's been staggering the rewards more than we usually have to just because you're still waiting on like some some of the packers to send in their in phones to so we can get their T shirt sizes. Oh yeah, totally so yeah, but there's there were so many rewards in this year's campaign it's insane. Next year is gonna be great, man. We have we have a yeah, we have a five year retrospective book like a coffee table book being done with. It's mostly gonna be written by Mark Matzki and then it's gonna have like interviews with all of us and all this like behind the scenes photos and stuff like that. So it's gonna be the next Next year is gonna be awesome because that's the official like five year anniversaries.

57:32 Very cool. Also, you guys have the monster Opolis podcast. Correct, Yes, yeah, we missed two weeks in a row, which was our first time to miss anything just because of the shooting a momo and then all right, Mark had a family issue had to change two last week, so we were we missed two weeks in a row. But we start up I think Thursday of this week and we're gonna jump in this more conspiracy stuff. Very cool, very cool. Yeah, I was driving Uber listening to the Black Helicopter episode and just the way you were I was like, oh boy, yeah, I was not expecting the helicopter to go that way, but it was very very interesting. Yeah, were you listening to that while driving Uber? Over over the speakers? Oh no, sorry. So what I do is like when I am actually driving customers, I just put on Apple Music or whatever. But like when I'm just trying to find someone, I'll listen to podcasts because if you're playing that after picking up a customer, that'd be amazing then be total five star for sure. Yeah, I want to get one of those big Foot air fresheners so I can start to have conversations about Bigfoot with the customers, and yeah, that'd be pretty cool but cool.

58:52 Anything else you would you would like to maybe send, like a plug for listeners or you know anything. You just see Terror and the Guys comes out on totally on Friday, and uh, I'm proud of it is like one of uh it's one of the more seth breed Levee and movies that we've done. So it's kind of schmalty in that way. But we're really proud of that one. It looks it looks fantastic like Cinemato, it really does. Yeah, and uh so we're really really excited to see how audiences respond to it. The story at the beginning with you know, the little kid, and it kind of as a Spielberg feel to it. That's fantastic.

59:37 And then, uh, I just I don't love how you guys focus on Midwest towns, like the older Midwest towns is very cool, very cool living out here in Iowa. I can really appreciate that. But dude, thanks again for for hopping on with us for a few minutes tonight. And uh yeah, guys, go check out a set stuff and have a great night. SASA, thanks for having me. Yeah, man, see it all right back, all right now. That was actually a early solid episode and it's fun to remember as I was listening to it the first time I was really able to talk to Seth. This is a cool time. Also pretty solid stuff from Area X. If you want to read more amazing things about Area X, you can get the great book Value of the Apes by Michael May's that goes a little bit into what Seth experienced when they were there filming.

1:00:35 But the book is just incredible. It should be on your bookshelves already. Again, thank you for listening. Don't miss Friday's episode. Yeah, you won't be expecting it, you really won't. Thanks for listening. You're a Big Society. Article is to provide a platform for those that have encountered big to share their encounter in a safe and respected environment. But we need to hear your story. If you've experienced something that you just can't explain, please send me an email at Bigfoot Society at gmail dot com. Then we can start the conversation. And I know a lot of you have not shared your encounter at all. It's been twenty years and it's time that you get this off your chest and then you can get some well deserved for rest because I know you haven't been sleeping. I understand what you're going through, and I appreciate every one of you listening.