June 28, 2026

7-FOOT FEMALE BIGFOOT CONFRONTS WITNESS IN ARIZONA CANYON

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Season 1

For nearly two decades, Karl Sup has spent thousands of hours investigating Sasquatch activity across Arizona, Illinois, New York, and beyond. His experiences include face-to-face encounters, thermal captures, massive handprints left on vehicles, unexplained vocalizations, apparent infrasound events, and a female Sasquatch observed through night vision at close range.


In this episode, Karl shares the encounter that convinced him these beings are real, including a night in Arizona when a responsive whoop led to a visual observation of a towering female Sasquatch watching from the darkness. He also recounts waking up to find a massive face pressed against his vehicle window, discovering oversized handprints the following morning, and documenting activity throughout the Mogollon Rim region.


Karl discusses his work preserving the historic Bigfoot Encounters archive, his investigations on Long Island and in the Chicago forest preserves, strange incidents involving missing time during a BFRO expedition, and years of research into habitat patterns that continue producing results.


This conversation is packed with field observations, investigative insights, and firsthand experiences from one of the most active researchers in the Bigfoot community.


If you've ever wondered what thousands of hours in Sasquatch territory can teach a person, this is an episode you won't want to miss.

Resources:

Contact Karl: karl.j.sup@gmail.com

http://www.bigfootencounters.com/


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You're listening to Big for Society and I'm Jeremiah Byron.

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In this show, we go beyond the campfire stories to

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bring you first hand encounters from people who say they've

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seen something impossible. From backwoods trails and remote mountain haulers

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to quiet farms and crowded highways. The stories come from everywhere,

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and each one leaves us with more questions than answers.

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These are the voices of the people who've lived it.

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To settle in, because today you'll hear another account that

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just might change the way you see the woods forever.

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So stay with us. Please keep Jeremiah in your prayers

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as he continues his fight against cancer. For more updates

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about his medical journey, please go to the carring Bridge

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link in the show notes. Thank you all right, Big

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for Society. You've got the privilege of talking to Carl's

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up today. Carl, welcome to the show. Of want to

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have you on for a long time, and thankfully it

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was able to finally happen. I think you actually reached

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out to me. I was like, oh, yeah, totally, Carl's

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on the list, let's make it happen. How are you

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doing today, sir?

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I am doing very well, Thank you, thank you, thanks

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for having me on.

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Absolutely a little bit of information about Carl, and we'll

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get more into this as well, but definitely want to

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point out, you know, Carl is a bigfoot investigator total

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of about eighteen years and so many experiences along the way.

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And I was looking through your sign up sheet that

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you filled out, and I have a really this is

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just a question for me. It's kind of a weird

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one based on what you put. So what is your

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connection to Bigfoot Encounters dot com? Because I love that

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website so much. I just think to were.

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It so back in let's say it would be about

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twenty ten, we actually had a we had formed a

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group of independent researchers which also included MK Davis and

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many others which also include did Bobby Short And so

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Bobby was in the in our group and in our

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discussions online discussions, and and when when she sadly passed away,

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the you know, her grandson ran the website for a

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long time at least, you know, keeping it on online.

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And then after a while he decided that he was

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you know, he didn't want to do that anymore. And

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I didn't want to see all of that information go away,

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because I know it's a great resource, even though you know,

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the website was created probably in the early nineties and

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it's very aged. I've tried a couple of times, based

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on my availability, which is pretty slim, to you know,

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refactor the website and get it to more modern and

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you know, have a little better searchability and so forth.

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But it's over thirty five hundred pages of just incredible

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information of Bobby's work. And then and then, of course,

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a lot of her life's work is now you know,

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in the book The Facto Sasquatch Volume one and two

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that's been published by Hangar One Publishing, so that's available

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online as well. And she was just an incredible, lovely

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person and I'm just trying to honor her.

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That's incredible, man. I'd always want to say just thank

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you to whoever kept that website running, and I had

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no idea it was you, So I just thank you

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so much because that is an incredible wealth of information.

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And I mean, I just can't imagine it's that website

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and Oregon Bigfoot dot com. If that one ever goes

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down to we're in trouble too, my goodness, Bigfoot encounters

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I listen, if you've never gone to a big Foot Encounters

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dot com, it is an incredible wealth of information you

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cannot get anywhere else and just the stories and accounts

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on there are so cool. So are you still getting

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people that reach out to that website and be like, hey,

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you gotta share like I've always wanted that?

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I would? I would like. I have yet to figure

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out how to redirect the emails to that website to

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my own personal website so I can track those. Otherwise

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I have to go through I have to jump through

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hoops to get in there and read those, so I

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don't get in there very often unfortunately.

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But wow, that would be that would be a wild

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adventure to figure that out. But did you did your

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group have a name at all? Carl?

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No, nope, No, We're just it was just us. But boy,

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we had Steve Summer was the ringleader of that, and

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he has unfortunately passed on as well. But uh uh

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and uh, you know, Sybylla Orwin was in our group,

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and yeah, so we had a lot of key names

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that uh you know went through that, including Sharon Day

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was in there as well, and she runs ghost Hunting

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Theories dot com, which actually hosts a lot of my

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research blogs that I wrote some years ago when I

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was in Long Island and in Chicago area.

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Wow, okay, yeah, I mean that's just it's a fine

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fascinating group of individuals that you guys put togethers kind

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of like in a an Avengers type deal.

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We also had Sandy Cells in our group, you know,

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and she and her husband Mike had a clan of

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them living on their farm in North Texas. And the

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researchers that were doing the had been doing the research

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there were were a part of our group as well,

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so Buddy britt Ken, Marvel uh and and you know,

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so there was always it. I learned so much from

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them because of all of the different experiments that they

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did and experiences they had on the Cells farm. And

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of course since then, i've actually I actually have all

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the all the casts from from the Cell site that

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we're actually you know, Sandy gave those to me to

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safe keep. And sadly Sandy has now passed away as

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well as Mike preceding her. But but we are trying

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to keep there all that research material alive and I'm

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archive archiving a lot of that as well, so you know,

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the physical and digital archives. But there is going to

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be a documentary coming out that should be later this year.

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I'm actually doing narration of that as well as probably

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having a segment in that. But it's going to completely

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focus on the cell site and the high strangeness that

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occurred there over the years. But it was, it's it's

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going to be called the Sometime Place. And Chris Reinhert

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is producing that.

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Oh Chris, such a great dude. That's that's the perfect

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guy to have involved with that. My goodness, thank you

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for thank you for answering that question. I loved a

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nerd out on.

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I guess you could say, what was that probably early

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two thousand's big Foot history. When you guys are doing

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your group, what would you say?

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Yeah, it was it was pretty much the two thousand

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and eight two thousand and nine. I think we kind

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of formed that group, and I was always honored to

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be brought into that group, and certainly it helped me

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in all of the research and experiences I was having

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and really allowed me to grow and at least get

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a expand my mind on the topic even more so.

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Gotcha, gotcha, very very cool stuff. That's that's me. Ne're

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now a little bit there. And I always like talking

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to you know, I love talking to Henry Faranzoni back

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in the day and he's more in the nineties. But

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such big for history is so cool to me. So

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was there a time, Carl where you had an experience

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and it just it made it cemented in your mind

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that Okay, these things are one hundred percent real and

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it really kicked things off for you.

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Oh well, to kick things off, that was going back

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to the fall of twenty two thousand and eight, and

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I took my both my kids and my nephew up

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to the mountains to camp. And you know, by this

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time I had already been on the at you know,

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at the end of July of two thousand and eight,

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I went on the Bigfoot expedition that the BFO was hosting,

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and actually it was being run by Matt Moneymaker, and

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so that was an experience. But the we went up

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to that same you know that the very first night

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of the expedition, Matt did a call from this ridge

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line between two canyons and and within seconds there was

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a return howl from the north A few seconds after

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that one from the northwest, and then and then about

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seven seconds after that another one from the Southwest, and

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it was at that moment, and thank god I had

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a recorder going at that time because I love going

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back and listening to that because that was actually the

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moment I was like, I need to figure out exactly

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what's going on here? Now. Rewind when I was a

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kid in nineteen sixty eight, my dad had a subscription

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to Argacy magazine. And in February of sixty eight, there

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was an addition that that I read on the front cover.

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It said California is Abominable Snowman and had still pictures

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from the Patterson Gimblin film. And I remember I read

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that that copy of the that edition of the magazine

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cover to cover multiple times. I always look forward to

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Argacy Magazine. That was a great thing. But the uh

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and you know, and over and I still have that

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copy of the magazine, by the way. So but you know,

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you know, fast forward and in the you know, in

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the mid seventies you had the in Search of and

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with Leonard Nimoy, and you know that always intrigued me

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and so forth. But you know, the jury was kind

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of out. You know, here I am, I'm out in

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the woods and and I'm like, okay, I'm experiencing it firsthand.

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You know.

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Plus over the decades, I've always I've been a hiker

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camper in very remote areas of Arizona, and you know,

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and now I think back on some of Sasquatch's behavior

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and I'm like, I'm like, oh, I absolutely experienced some

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of that, including a howl that that was very like

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the Ohio howl in nineteen eighty two up on the

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Mogion Rim here in Arizona, and it was, you know,

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so fast forward here i am into you know, fall

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of two thousand and eight October, and I'm like, I'm

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you know, taking the kids up there to kind of

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show them the ropes or show them what I've learned

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so far in the last several months. And I had

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I had created some weather proof remote recorders that I

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could hang up in a tree, and so I had

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about six of those. And so during the day, the

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kids and I went out hiking and hiking and we

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you know, I've picked some good areas to hang them

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up in, and I showed them, you know, an area

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that I was at in, you know, earlier that year,

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and they, you know, but we went back to camp,

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we you know, cook some dinner. We actually watched a

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movie in the in the car on the car DVD,

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and and then you know, and then went out, like

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about ten o'clock out to that area where we had

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been with the BFO expedition and the you know, so

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here we are out there. My daughter wasn't feeling that great,

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so my son said, you know, I'll stay in the

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car with her, and I just went out with my

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twelve year old nephew and we're out you know, on

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the pre preface on this edge of the canyon. And

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we went, you know, and there was a big old

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dead tree there. So I went up there and I

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knocked on it twice, and from almost immediately you know,

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but probably sounding like about a quarter mile away, this

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whoop comes back just due west of us. And so

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I did one single knock back and you know, and

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my nephews whispers to me, was, now, what do we do?

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You know? And I said, we wait. Well, I had

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a monocular night vision scope that had a you know,

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ir you know light on the top of it, and

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he was enjoying looking through that and looking around and

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there wasn't you know, much going well after about twenty

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thirty minutes, you know, about twenty minutes, I knocked again,

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and when I did that, the whoop came and it

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was almost at our level, but across the just straight

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across the canyon, so it was right there. And and

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my nephew's like, are you going to knock back again?

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And I said, I said, it knows exactly where we are.

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And then it wasn't. Just even a minute later, I

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started hearing some rocks, you know, rocks scrabble coming down

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into the canyon on the other side of the canyon.

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And then I could hear something coming up our side

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of the canyon. And and then my nephew started seeing

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something leaning out from the leaning out from the brush

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below us on the slope going down into the canyon.

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And it kept leaning out and it would duck back in,

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and you know, and I saw it through the scope

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right and you know, it wasn't as you know, it

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was a good distance away, I'll say, you know, probably

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eighty one hundred at least one hundred feet away and

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down the slop, and eventually I started hearing it coming

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up the hill closer to us, and then it all

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got silent, and then I really didn't know what to

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do about that and when and then I got this

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great idea because when we were out there earlier, there

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was an area off of that side of the canyon

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there where there was really no vegetation. Otherwise there's a

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lot of thick lower brush and a lot of pine

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trees and so forth, but there was an area that's

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probably thirty feet wide that there was really no little

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vegetation going down all the way down into the creek

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bed at the bottom. And I told my nephew, I said,

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we're going to walk back towards the car. And I said,

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and when I tell you to stop, just stop. And

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I said, and I'll listen to see if it's because

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I knew that they liked to or that it could

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be paralleling us.

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Right.

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So I we start walking back towards the car as

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if nothing, you know, as if we didn't have a

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care in the world. And then I said stop. And

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then I heard one extra footfall coming from the and

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I said, I was like, okay, it's following us, right,

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So I told him, I said, okay, when we get

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to that that opening where there's no vegetation, I said,

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if I hear something in there, I'll just tell you now,

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and you spin around and look through the night vision

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scope and he goes, okay, all right, all right, uncle Carl,

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you know. So I get we start walking another distance,

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and in that once we were in front of that area,

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I hear just a twig snap, and I said now

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and he spins around and I said, I said, And

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he just goes, here's this twelve year old his total

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big footing time and at night fifty two minutes right

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as a class A sighting. And he he spins around

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and he says, yep, there it is. I said, what's

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it doing. He goes looking at me, and I said,

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give me the scope because I had a sighting.

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Right.

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So by the time I got the scope up to

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my eyeball, and it was taking one last step to

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get behind a tree, and it was apparent it was

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a it was a female based on the left profile

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of her left breast as she took that final step

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and then she went behind this tree and then ended

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up putting her hand on the side of the tree,

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so her hand and it was visible all the way

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from her elbow to her fingertips and and where she

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was hanging on to the tree. A light breeze, and

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there was a slight magnification on that night vision scope

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I have, and the light breeze, you could see the

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hair just gently moving in the you know, moving in

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that breeze off of that was hanging off of her forearm,

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the hair on her hand, little less hair, shorter hairs

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on the hand. Fingernails were you know, we're just kind

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of cracked and broken rough. But I always tell everybody

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the fingers were like the size of ballpark franks. And

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she had allD that hand on the side of the

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tree long enough that we actually passed the scope back

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and forth several times. It was about three minutes, so

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if you can imagine the amount of detail I remember seeing.

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And of course, you know, sadly, I wish I had

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had a recorder on that night vision scope, but it

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was just a you know, entry level unit, but the

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you know. And then after after about three minutes, she

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took her hand off that tree, and I could hear

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a couple of crunches, but I couldn't we couldn't see

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her anymore. So I actually sat down with my nephew

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and I tried talking. I picked up a couple of rocks,

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I clacked some rocks and and uh, and there was

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no response, right, But then I started hearing other sounds

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up the hillside, you know that was above us, and

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other and I then I started getting a little nervous

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because I, you know, here we are sitting in pitch

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black darkness, and I got my twelve year old nephew

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and my sister in law would never forgive me if

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I had to come back and say he got eaten,

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so knowing that they're omnivores at yeah, yeah, So so

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we ended up heading back to the car. When I

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got back to the car, he uncorked like a champagne bottle,

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just like, oh my gosh, oh my god. You know

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he's and he's recounts. I said, what did you see

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when you turned right around? And he said, and he said, now,

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oddly enough, he was looking like more focused on the

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face right because I only could see a profile, but

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he was looking right at the face. And he said,

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when I when I looked, when I got the scope

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up to my eye, he goes, he goes. It went

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and this total shocked look on its face. It rotated

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its body at the waist and looked down the hill

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behind it and then and then turned back and was

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looking at him. And that's when you know about the

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time when he said, yep, there it is. And then

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and then when I said what's it doing, and he

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said looking at me? And by that time it had

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rotated back and was looking at him. And then by

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the time I got the scope up to my eye,

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it was it just one step, you know, uh of

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when I saw her her. But I later went back

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to that tree and I measured the reason why it

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hung on to the tree so long was because the

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slope of the of the hillside was so steep in

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that area. If she didn't hang on to the tree,

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she couldn't have stood straight. She would have fallen backwards.

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So she had to hang on to that tree. And then,

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of course, and I think she thought she was completely hidden,

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didn't realize your arm was visible, but the h and

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I measured that where the hand was on the tree

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was and there was no hair left on the tree bark,

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and just wanted to call that out, but it was

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sixty nine inches is where her hand was resting on

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the tree. So if you're you know, if it was

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one of us standing there right, we would probably you know,

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put our hand at the shoulder level or maybe even

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a little lower in order to hold onto that tree.

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Wouldn't be putting your hand way up above your head,

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you know, to hang to hold on, so it would

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you know, you're trying to support your weight. And so

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I estimated she was probably between seven four and seven

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seven somewhere in there was my best gut.

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My goodness, how did that did that send your Was

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it your nephew on a whole big footing life adventure?

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Well you would think so, But after he got to

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thinking about it a little bit, he was like, you

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know that that was pretty big, and I'm not sure

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I want to really get out in the woods with

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these things. So I think he currently restricts himself to

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just doing some day hikes in the desert down near Phoenix.

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So that's all right, that's all right. So you mentioned

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being on some Arizona BFL expeditions. Just this is really

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out of left field. Did you ever go on any

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New Mexico ones.

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I was scheduled to go on one and I ended

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up having a work conflict, so I ended up not

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going on that, but a lot of my equipment went

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on that expedition. But I have been into New Mexico though,

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and done research on my own as well up near Redeal.

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So that's actually there's one of my favorite accounts is

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was documented on a BFL expedition in that area in

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New Mexico. At least that's what it says in the post,

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and it's about a portal experience that a guy had

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up in the Oakridge, Oregon area. Always wanted to try

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to talk to someone who knew some more info because

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that that gentleman has unfortunately passed away. That his name

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was Larry Kellum. I believe that had the experience, but

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maybe someday you never know. You never know if you

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just never first asked the question, kind of like with

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the big foot encounters. But you know, man, that that

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is first off, hats off for giving the thermal to

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your nephew and not being like, you know what, I

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got the thermal the whole like, that's that's pretty cool

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that you did that, So good job there. Do you

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think is that the closest view that you've had of

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a big foot or do you think there's been anything? No?

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Oh, closer. So that was that distance from where we

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were standing to the tree with the where hand was

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was about thirty feet. So, like I said, with the

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night vision, having a little bit of a you know ample,

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you know, a little magnification on it, it was, like

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I said, I could see the cracks and the fingernails,

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you know. It was it was quite detailed. But the

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closest sighting I've had, well, closest daytime sighting I had

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was about one hundred and twenty feet away, and it

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was was that was remarkable. The closest siding I had

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was about fourteen inches twelve to fourteen inches somewhere in there.

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As I was sleeping, it was in the back of

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my Yukon Excel. It was looking in the window, and

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so it was this face was right at the window,

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and as as the green light from my fitbit kind

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of lit up the interior of the cab, the it

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backed away, its face kind of dissipated into the darkness.

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But to be fair, before I climbed in to go sleep,

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I actually paused because all night I could feel we're

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I was being watched from my friend and I were

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being watched around the campsite from the hillside. And so

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I before I climbed in, I just said in English

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out loud, you know, I would love it if you

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could come down here and put a handprint on my car.

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And I climbed in and I went to sleep. Well

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there at is three am. I wake up and you know,

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as I moved my wrist, it lights up and here's

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this face right at the window and that backs away

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and I it was just so close. It was right

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up close and did not have its mouth open. Everybody

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always asks me about the teeth or whatever, but it's

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just looking in the window. And when five fifteen am

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was pre I ended up going back to sleep. Five

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fifteen as a pre d on light, I wake up

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and here's this handprint right where the face had been

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on the window. So it was this handprint. And the

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handprint was fourteen inches from the tip of the pinky

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down to the base of the thumb.

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So it's that's remarkable.

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And you could see and you could actually see dermal

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ridges structure, you know, in the handprint as well. But

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the odd thing was is that the handprint was only

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visible because on the outside of the car, I really

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couldn't see the handprint. But when it put its hand

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on the outside of the window, the probably the oils

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in its hand left an insulating property because it had

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gotten pretty cold that night, so there was condensation inside

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the car from me sleeping, and it was that condensation

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that revealed the print. At the same time, same morning,

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you know, my friend comes over. He's looking at it.

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He's just like, wow, wow, I can't believe that. I

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can't believe that. And then I said, well, because he

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was sleeping in his vehicle, I said, did you you

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know have any He goes, no, no, I didn't have any.

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So he went over and looked at his car, right

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in the center of his hood. But this one was

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in dust. Is a handprint right in the middle of

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his hood. And this one was eleven inches from the

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tip of the pinky down to the base of the thumb.

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And that one was interesting because since it was in dust,

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you could actually see wisps of hair off the side

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of the hand and off of the wrist as well.

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That made impressions in the dust. Plus the other interesting

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thing was on his print, you could really see how

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the you know, like the cup in the middle of

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your hand. You could you could see where there was less,

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you know, you could still see dermal ridges and everything else.

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But in the cup of the hand it was less

459
00:29:06.160 --> 00:29:09.079
and it's very much similar to our hand, you know,

460
00:29:09.160 --> 00:29:13.599
as far as structure. So I found that interesting.

461
00:29:14.519 --> 00:29:16.599
That's amazing. Was that in Arizona as well?

462
00:29:17.319 --> 00:29:20.319
And that was in Arizona? Yeah, okay, not far from

463
00:29:20.880 --> 00:29:23.240
Forest Lakes, Arizona, Yep, gotcha.

464
00:29:24.880 --> 00:29:27.000
So I know that that must have been such a

465
00:29:27.039 --> 00:29:29.720
quick sighting when it was up to your you know,

466
00:29:29.799 --> 00:29:36.839
just inches away. But some some witnesses will describe what

467
00:29:36.920 --> 00:29:40.200
they've They'll they'll say, man, it looks more like a monkey,

468
00:29:40.319 --> 00:29:43.920
or it looks more human, or maybe a mixture. In

469
00:29:44.000 --> 00:29:47.640
those quick seconds, did you get a feeling as to

470
00:29:48.599 --> 00:29:51.400
do you remember any features of what you were looking

471
00:29:51.440 --> 00:29:53.839
at or or does it make you lean in a

472
00:29:53.839 --> 00:29:56.400
certain way of what we might be dealing with?

473
00:29:56.759 --> 00:30:01.440
They are they are like us, right, they are definitely

474
00:30:01.480 --> 00:30:07.319
in the Homo genius. And there is no doubt in

475
00:30:07.359 --> 00:30:10.359
my mind. In the face, I mean, if you took

476
00:30:11.119 --> 00:30:15.079
my face and made it, you know, kind of zoomed

477
00:30:15.079 --> 00:30:18.960
in and made it a lot bigger, and put a

478
00:30:19.000 --> 00:30:21.640
little bit of extra hair about here up to here,

479
00:30:21.920 --> 00:30:26.079
and it was very very human like, but very broad,

480
00:30:26.319 --> 00:30:29.079
and then you know, small changes. The nose was different,

481
00:30:30.440 --> 00:30:36.559
the eyes were larger, and like I said, it was

482
00:30:36.640 --> 00:30:39.480
just that fleeting moment. But you know, I'll just never

483
00:30:39.519 --> 00:30:42.279
forget as it backed the way and it just dissolved

484
00:30:42.279 --> 00:30:45.119
into the darkness, you know. But you know, most people

485
00:30:45.160 --> 00:30:48.880
would have been screaming or something, right, you know. Me,

486
00:30:49.079 --> 00:30:51.480
I'm propping up on my elbow and I'm looking out

487
00:30:51.480 --> 00:30:54.599
the window trying to see any movement in the starlight

488
00:30:54.720 --> 00:31:00.000
between trees or anything like that. But I didn't see anything.

489
00:31:02.160 --> 00:31:04.880
Were there any tracks around the vehicles as well?

490
00:31:06.880 --> 00:31:11.440
There was a lot of very small grasses and so forth,

491
00:31:11.480 --> 00:31:16.279
and it really wasn't good for leaving any tracks. But

492
00:31:17.880 --> 00:31:20.759
and the same thing around my friend's car as well.

493
00:31:20.799 --> 00:31:24.279
But you know, we were camped front on the edge

494
00:31:24.319 --> 00:31:26.599
of this meadow. If now, if I had parked a

495
00:31:26.599 --> 00:31:29.039
little closer, maybe to where the fire pit was, where

496
00:31:29.039 --> 00:31:31.039
we had scraped all the dust away and stuff, we

497
00:31:31.079 --> 00:31:34.200
would have, you know, seen that that print that was

498
00:31:34.720 --> 00:31:41.519
my twelfth siding was at an area on the Mogion Rim.

499
00:31:42.000 --> 00:31:46.200
But that individual same thing. I'm sleeping in the back

500
00:31:46.240 --> 00:31:52.440
of the car and I hear, you know, some like

501
00:31:52.720 --> 00:31:55.200
one of the tin cups or something at the kitchen

502
00:31:55.279 --> 00:31:58.279
table set out. Now, you know, could have been anything

503
00:31:58.640 --> 00:32:02.599
clanking it right, But it was about two thirty three

504
00:32:02.640 --> 00:32:07.119
and the two fifty, I think, if I recall my

505
00:32:07.119 --> 00:32:12.359
my notes, but the two fifty am I hear this clank, right,

506
00:32:12.759 --> 00:32:17.200
metallic clank in the in the kitchen camp. And so

507
00:32:17.279 --> 00:32:19.400
I wake up, you know, and I look out into

508
00:32:19.440 --> 00:32:23.119
the camp and I don't see anything moving outside, you know,

509
00:32:23.240 --> 00:32:27.400
the vehicle, and I keep looking. I keep watching to

510
00:32:27.400 --> 00:32:31.359
see if I any shadow movement or any any movement

511
00:32:31.400 --> 00:32:34.559
through there. And then for some reason, I and the

512
00:32:34.599 --> 00:32:38.079
moon was actually shining from the It was a full

513
00:32:38.119 --> 00:32:42.000
moon that night, and so it was still, you know,

514
00:32:42.200 --> 00:32:46.759
on its way to go set still, and for whatever reason,

515
00:32:46.759 --> 00:32:50.039
I decided I looked out the opposite side of my

516
00:32:50.200 --> 00:32:52.839
vehicle and I looked out the window on that side,

517
00:32:52.920 --> 00:32:59.799
and and here, probably twenty five feet away, there's one

518
00:33:00.640 --> 00:33:04.759
there's a big foot standing there, totally silhouetted in the

519
00:33:04.799 --> 00:33:10.119
moonlight among the trees. Now it was far enough away,

520
00:33:10.359 --> 00:33:12.240
and there was a little bit of brush and everything

521
00:33:12.279 --> 00:33:15.559
that you know. Initially, when I looked, I thought, wait,

522
00:33:15.599 --> 00:33:18.799
is that a tree or you know, but then it

523
00:33:19.160 --> 00:33:23.079
actually turned and it walked to its right, so to

524
00:33:23.160 --> 00:33:28.319
my left and stepped two three feet and you know,

525
00:33:28.400 --> 00:33:32.599
two three steps off and it was into the deeper woods.

526
00:33:32.599 --> 00:33:36.200
I couldn't see it anymore. So I wake up about

527
00:33:36.200 --> 00:33:39.240
six am. I get out of the car and now

528
00:33:39.480 --> 00:33:43.039
I had gone to bed about eleven pm. Uh, And

529
00:33:43.119 --> 00:33:45.880
so there was my shoe print on the ground in

530
00:33:45.960 --> 00:33:49.000
the kitchen and it was, you know, the prints my

531
00:33:49.160 --> 00:33:54.799
tracks heading towards my vehicle, right and here six am,

532
00:33:54.960 --> 00:34:01.519
here's this print that actually bisects my shoe print that

533
00:34:01.599 --> 00:34:05.440
I had left at eleven pm, you know. And so

534
00:34:05.720 --> 00:34:08.559
that I stuck a campture over the top of it.

535
00:34:08.559 --> 00:34:11.639
It was in very fine dust, so it really wasn't

536
00:34:12.440 --> 00:34:16.199
as castable, but it was you know. One my friend

537
00:34:16.239 --> 00:34:18.480
woke up, I said, I told him the whole story,

538
00:34:18.559 --> 00:34:20.400
and he's just like, oh my gosh, you know, and

539
00:34:21.039 --> 00:34:23.639
I've got him I wouldn't say hooked on it, but

540
00:34:24.079 --> 00:34:26.199
certainly he's a believer.

541
00:34:26.320 --> 00:34:32.800
Now, Oh my goodness, I man. One of the weirdest

542
00:34:33.320 --> 00:34:39.880
accounts I took over the years was an let's say

543
00:34:40.079 --> 00:34:43.119
what I say old timer, and he was telling me

544
00:34:43.199 --> 00:34:47.079
about how he says fourteen years old the years in

545
00:34:47.119 --> 00:34:50.199
nineteen seventy five and he's walking up on a ridge

546
00:34:50.360 --> 00:34:56.199
in Alpine, Arizona, and everything goes quiet, then staticky, then

547
00:34:56.199 --> 00:35:00.000
a swirling cloud. Then he sees a tent. Well he says,

548
00:35:00.119 --> 00:35:02.679
a ten foot tall bigfoot walk out of the cloud

549
00:35:02.760 --> 00:35:06.599
or something, and then he freaks out and books it

550
00:35:06.639 --> 00:35:09.440
OUTI there, have you ever heard anything?

551
00:35:10.000 --> 00:35:10.199
You know?

552
00:35:10.320 --> 00:35:13.320
I know, there's we have these experiences and sometimes they're

553
00:35:13.360 --> 00:35:17.239
just out of outside the realm of comprehension, right, Or

554
00:35:18.320 --> 00:35:21.719
is the area Alpine is that known for anything weird

555
00:35:21.840 --> 00:35:22.079
like that?

556
00:35:22.400 --> 00:35:28.119
Or Alpine? You know, anywhere along the Mogian Rim there's

557
00:35:28.199 --> 00:35:33.239
all kinds of high strangeness, including like Travis Salton's abduction

558
00:35:33.360 --> 00:35:37.639
from nineteen seventy five. But in Alpine that's in the

559
00:35:37.920 --> 00:35:44.800
White Mountains of Arizona Greer Springerville area, eastern Arizona, and

560
00:35:45.079 --> 00:35:50.480
that area itself is if I blindfolded you and I

561
00:35:50.599 --> 00:35:53.079
dropped you off there, you might think you were in

562
00:35:53.159 --> 00:35:58.719
northern Canada. That's that's the you know, the habitat up there.

563
00:35:58.760 --> 00:36:05.239
It's incredibly green and there's ferns and you just you'd

564
00:36:05.239 --> 00:36:09.639
never believe it was Arizona. But yeah, there's been plenty

565
00:36:09.639 --> 00:36:15.000
of sightings and people experiences that I've that I've had

566
00:36:15.519 --> 00:36:18.480
up in that area prior to me being introduced. You know,

567
00:36:19.119 --> 00:36:23.039
you know, I never considered Bigfoot being in Arizona, you know,

568
00:36:23.800 --> 00:36:26.199
as a kid or during any of that time frame,

569
00:36:26.320 --> 00:36:29.440
because you know, all they might if, if it does exist,

570
00:36:29.480 --> 00:36:33.199
it's probably just in the Pacific Northwest, and you know,

571
00:36:33.360 --> 00:36:38.119
and never considered, you know, Arizona. But all this strangeness

572
00:36:38.199 --> 00:36:43.239
that I had, like, you know, having what I thought

573
00:36:43.280 --> 00:36:47.840
were pine cones falling on my tent overnight, you know,

574
00:36:48.880 --> 00:36:52.320
early morning hours. I started hearing you know what sounded

575
00:36:52.360 --> 00:36:54.840
like pine cones hitting the tent, and you know, and

576
00:36:54.920 --> 00:36:58.280
I just, you know, you know, just ended up writing

577
00:36:58.320 --> 00:37:00.039
it off as oh, yeah, there's something up in the

578
00:37:00.079 --> 00:37:03.039
tree eating pine cones and they're falling down or whatever.

579
00:37:04.039 --> 00:37:06.239
But I wake up in the morning and it's just

580
00:37:06.280 --> 00:37:08.639
a pile of there was a pile of small rocks

581
00:37:08.840 --> 00:37:11.920
that were that were all had slid down the side

582
00:37:11.960 --> 00:37:13.639
of the tent and were just piled up on them

583
00:37:13.800 --> 00:37:17.440
like rocks. Like what, you know, what was that squirrel

584
00:37:17.559 --> 00:37:19.960
doing in the middle of the night with rocks? Oh? Whatever?

585
00:37:20.320 --> 00:37:23.960
You know, certainly, But now I look back on some

586
00:37:24.000 --> 00:37:27.239
of those experiences I had camping all over Arizona, and

587
00:37:27.280 --> 00:37:30.559
I'm like, oh, absolutely, And in fact, I even have

588
00:37:30.840 --> 00:37:35.800
a research area here down near the Metro Phoenix area. Actually,

589
00:37:35.800 --> 00:37:39.599
I've got two areas that I go to right quite frequently,

590
00:37:39.719 --> 00:37:46.280
especially in the wintertime, that definitely have clans that multiple

591
00:37:46.280 --> 00:37:50.679
individuals living those in those spaces in the desert.

592
00:37:52.039 --> 00:37:55.599
Wow. So I'm looking at the map I have and

593
00:37:57.119 --> 00:37:59.519
this is off to the side, But I didn't realize

594
00:38:00.519 --> 00:38:03.800
the Superstition Mountains are actually down by Phoenix two, aren't they?

595
00:38:05.039 --> 00:38:06.719
They certainly are, certainly are.

596
00:38:07.760 --> 00:38:10.159
Which that's a weird area from what I've.

597
00:38:09.960 --> 00:38:14.880
Heard it really is. You know, there's all kinds of

598
00:38:14.960 --> 00:38:18.840
mysteries and history back in there as well, you know,

599
00:38:18.920 --> 00:38:23.440
with the Lost Dutchman gold Mine. And there was a

600
00:38:23.480 --> 00:38:28.440
gentleman named Revas that had set up a homestead way

601
00:38:28.480 --> 00:38:31.320
back in the in those mountains, and you know, the

602
00:38:32.000 --> 00:38:35.559
elevation goes is all the way up to about sixty

603
00:38:35.880 --> 00:38:38.719
four hundred sixty five hundred up there, and he had

604
00:38:38.719 --> 00:38:45.199
planted an entire apple orchard up there, and the apaches

605
00:38:45.320 --> 00:38:51.360
left him alone mainly because he knew about you know, there.

606
00:38:54.800 --> 00:38:58.880
Their traditions, right, is that if someone is crazy, if

607
00:38:58.880 --> 00:39:02.480
someone seems to be insane. That means that they're being

608
00:39:02.519 --> 00:39:07.519
possessed by a demonic spirit, right, And so every evening

609
00:39:07.639 --> 00:39:11.280
before you went to bed at his thing, and especially

610
00:39:11.280 --> 00:39:15.800
if he knew or suspected he was being observed, he

611
00:39:15.880 --> 00:39:20.679
would strip naked and dance around in the apple orchard

612
00:39:20.760 --> 00:39:25.039
up there. And so you know, if you killed somebody

613
00:39:25.119 --> 00:39:27.599
who is insane like that, you would release that demon.

614
00:39:28.280 --> 00:39:32.119
So that was his way of staying safe up there.

615
00:39:33.159 --> 00:39:41.519
Nice. That's wild. Holy mackerel. Yeah, another area, Just curious

616
00:39:41.559 --> 00:39:44.480
if you've ever had any activity around there. Have you

617
00:39:44.519 --> 00:39:46.920
ever heard of Woods Canyon Lake area?

618
00:39:47.440 --> 00:39:50.639
Absolutely? In fact, that's where I heard my in nineteen

619
00:39:50.639 --> 00:39:55.239
eighty two. That's where I heard that first howl that

620
00:39:56.519 --> 00:39:59.639
I just you know, that one was harder to write off.

621
00:39:59.679 --> 00:40:04.159
But I had two friends and myself and one friend

622
00:40:04.199 --> 00:40:10.400
had a inflatable zodiac boat and we took that and

623
00:40:10.639 --> 00:40:14.360
paddled across the lake to the far side and we

624
00:40:14.400 --> 00:40:16.880
set up camp on this very far side. There was

625
00:40:16.880 --> 00:40:20.280
no one else near us or around us. We did

626
00:40:20.320 --> 00:40:25.880
some fishing, caught some trout, cooked some trout, which that's

627
00:40:26.199 --> 00:40:28.559
one of the most amazing things. Right when you're out camping,

628
00:40:28.599 --> 00:40:35.079
if you fresh fresh fish, right, and we cooked, we

629
00:40:35.119 --> 00:40:38.559
went to bed, three guys in a tent. About three

630
00:40:38.599 --> 00:40:45.000
am in the morning, something howled just incredibly loud, and

631
00:40:46.039 --> 00:40:48.320
you could feel the base in it. Right, And this

632
00:40:48.400 --> 00:40:50.960
is nineteen eighty two. There was no such thing as

633
00:40:51.000 --> 00:40:53.840
a subwar for to try to experience something like that whatever,

634
00:40:53.880 --> 00:40:56.920
but wow, it was just you could feel it in

635
00:40:56.960 --> 00:40:59.840
your chest. And the three of us pile out of

636
00:40:59.840 --> 00:41:02.079
this tent. Now, of course, at this time, we had

637
00:41:03.320 --> 00:41:06.000
you know, I didn't have a flashlight. We didn't have

638
00:41:06.039 --> 00:41:11.719
flashlights with We had the Coleman lantern that we had used.

639
00:41:11.760 --> 00:41:13.559
Of course, turned it off when we went to sleep,

640
00:41:13.599 --> 00:41:16.679
but that would have taken too long to try to

641
00:41:16.760 --> 00:41:20.400
light it, because here's three terrified guys and trying to

642
00:41:20.400 --> 00:41:24.360
figure out what's going on. And you know, our initial

643
00:41:24.400 --> 00:41:27.840
discussion was let's just get back, let's go get into

644
00:41:27.880 --> 00:41:32.760
the boat and paddle out across the lake in the dark, right.

645
00:41:33.199 --> 00:41:38.079
And when we started thinking about the logistics of that,

646
00:41:38.159 --> 00:41:41.239
and we were like, oh, you know, what, what could

647
00:41:41.239 --> 00:41:43.519
that have been? What could that have been? And you know,

648
00:41:43.559 --> 00:41:45.719
we ended up writing it off as maybe a large

649
00:41:45.840 --> 00:41:49.440
coyote or maybe a wolf, you know, And at that time,

650
00:41:49.480 --> 00:41:52.559
the Mexican gray wolves had not been introduced to Arizona.

651
00:41:54.119 --> 00:42:00.400
But you know, large Coyote was our, uh know, our

652
00:42:01.039 --> 00:42:04.880
go to on that. But when in two thousand and

653
00:42:04.920 --> 00:42:09.199
eight before we went up to the I told that

654
00:42:09.320 --> 00:42:12.719
story to my son and he said, come on, Dad,

655
00:42:12.760 --> 00:42:16.320
in Arizona Bigfoot. I go, I don't know, let's google it, right,

656
00:42:16.400 --> 00:42:20.480
and found the BFO website and read through some of

657
00:42:20.519 --> 00:42:26.679
the Arizona you know, reports that they had posted out there,

658
00:42:26.800 --> 00:42:30.280
And when then I saw a link to the Ohio howl.

659
00:42:30.679 --> 00:42:33.519
And when I played that, the hair on my arm

660
00:42:33.559 --> 00:42:36.320
stood up because that was the second time in my

661
00:42:36.400 --> 00:42:39.960
life that I had heard that howl. Of course, not

662
00:42:40.079 --> 00:42:41.719
the last time. It's been a journey.

663
00:42:43.440 --> 00:42:48.760
Has there been a time where you're out there, you're

664
00:42:48.800 --> 00:42:52.400
doing Bigfoot research, something happens and you're like, oh my goodness,

665
00:42:52.480 --> 00:42:55.679
we're in too deep this time. I wish we were

666
00:42:55.679 --> 00:42:59.559
not here. Or have you always felt kind of in

667
00:42:59.599 --> 00:43:05.079
control whenever you've gone out and you've had experiences.

668
00:43:04.920 --> 00:43:10.199
Well, it's really interesting. I was nervous initially after, especially

669
00:43:10.280 --> 00:43:12.760
after the first sighting, and like I said, you know,

670
00:43:12.800 --> 00:43:15.679
I started hearing what sounded like something else coming down

671
00:43:15.719 --> 00:43:18.760
the can into the canyon behind us, and you know,

672
00:43:18.880 --> 00:43:21.119
and I, you know, and I was worried about the

673
00:43:21.239 --> 00:43:24.400
kids and so forth. But I've done a lot of

674
00:43:24.639 --> 00:43:29.360
solo hiking and and where you know, I, you know,

675
00:43:29.440 --> 00:43:32.360
maybe I'm driving from Phoenix to Flagstaff and I'm just like, oh,

676
00:43:32.480 --> 00:43:35.719
just I'll take a detour. You know, I've got a

677
00:43:35.719 --> 00:43:38.639
couple hours to kill. I'll just go into my research

678
00:43:38.719 --> 00:43:41.960
area and take a look, and so forth. But after

679
00:43:42.840 --> 00:43:48.159
my second sighting, where I saw one run daytime up

680
00:43:48.159 --> 00:43:52.039
on a ridge line and it was backlit, and it

681
00:43:52.079 --> 00:43:56.159
took off and it was so fast and so powerful

682
00:43:56.199 --> 00:44:01.920
and so large. When I saw that, I realized that,

683
00:44:02.719 --> 00:44:07.039
you know, even at night, when we're you know, when

684
00:44:07.280 --> 00:44:10.840
we're kind of night blind, they could have taken me

685
00:44:10.880 --> 00:44:17.119
at any given time and they didn't. So, to quote

686
00:44:17.400 --> 00:44:22.559
Alfred Newman from Mad magazine, why worry, you know, because

687
00:44:22.639 --> 00:44:25.400
it's like it's like either I'm not going to be

688
00:44:25.440 --> 00:44:28.519
out in the woods at all, or I just I

689
00:44:29.480 --> 00:44:32.679
put my faith in them, and it's worked for me

690
00:44:32.880 --> 00:44:33.280
so far.

691
00:44:36.599 --> 00:44:49.960
That's extremely extremely interesting, Oh, being out there tons of times,

692
00:44:50.719 --> 00:44:54.719
have you ever had an experience with something that could

693
00:44:54.719 --> 00:44:58.360
be considered infrasound if you know what I'm talking about.

694
00:45:00.039 --> 00:45:05.960
Absolutely, yeah, absolutely, So my first experience with infrasound was

695
00:45:06.199 --> 00:45:10.199
actually in my living room because I was working with

696
00:45:11.119 --> 00:45:18.480
m K. Davis on cleaning up audio and speech of

697
00:45:19.199 --> 00:45:21.880
a lot of the from a lot of the VHS

698
00:45:21.920 --> 00:45:26.320
tapes from the Mike and Sandy cell site in North Texas.

699
00:45:26.840 --> 00:45:30.519
So as I as I was working through those, I

700
00:45:30.559 --> 00:45:32.880
was doing a lot of cleanup, and I'm sure a

701
00:45:32.920 --> 00:45:35.000
lot of people, especially if you go out to m K.

702
00:45:35.159 --> 00:45:39.480
Davis's YouTube channel, you probably have heard a few of

703
00:45:39.480 --> 00:45:41.599
those and stuff. But that was a lot of my

704
00:45:41.679 --> 00:45:46.679
handiwork behind the scenes. But there was one piece of

705
00:45:46.719 --> 00:45:51.159
audio where there was there was two individuals talking back

706
00:45:51.239 --> 00:45:54.599
and forth, and one was a pretty good one was

707
00:45:54.760 --> 00:45:59.360
i'll say, fifty feet from where the you know, where

708
00:45:59.360 --> 00:46:04.039
this view HS camera was, and the other one was

709
00:46:04.239 --> 00:46:06.760
maybe three hundred feet away, and there was a lot

710
00:46:06.760 --> 00:46:10.159
of crickets and frogs or you know, just a lot

711
00:46:10.159 --> 00:46:13.599
of night cacophony that was going on, and I was

712
00:46:13.639 --> 00:46:15.800
working through and trying to clean it up and drop

713
00:46:15.840 --> 00:46:20.199
out some of the auxiliary noises. And the more I

714
00:46:20.239 --> 00:46:25.800
worked on that piece of tape, the I just started

715
00:46:25.800 --> 00:46:28.440
feeling queasy, and all of a sudden, I just you know,

716
00:46:28.679 --> 00:46:32.199
just like lightheaded, and boy, I didn't feel like a

717
00:46:32.280 --> 00:46:34.360
not in my stomach, and I just and of course

718
00:46:34.360 --> 00:46:37.800
I'm wearing you know, noise canceling headsets, and you know,

719
00:46:38.239 --> 00:46:42.599
so it's it's, you know, there's I'm not hearing anything

720
00:46:42.639 --> 00:46:46.719
else except the audio as I as I ran through

721
00:46:46.760 --> 00:46:50.159
it multiple times, you know, I was probably on pass

722
00:46:50.280 --> 00:46:54.360
number one hundred and finally I had to stop. I

723
00:46:54.480 --> 00:46:56.599
was just I thought I was going to pass out

724
00:46:56.639 --> 00:46:58.400
and whatever. I said, you know, I'll eat some dinner

725
00:46:58.440 --> 00:47:01.719
and I'll take a break. And it took me a

726
00:47:01.800 --> 00:47:05.079
couple hours, two three hours, and then I was like, oh, okay,

727
00:47:05.079 --> 00:47:07.960
I'm feeling better. I'll go back to working on that tonight.

728
00:47:08.119 --> 00:47:11.039
So kids went to bed when they were a little,

729
00:47:11.159 --> 00:47:15.840
you know, much younger, and and then I put the

730
00:47:15.840 --> 00:47:18.119
headphones on. I started working on it, and immediately I

731
00:47:18.119 --> 00:47:23.960
started feeling strange again. And of course I had the

732
00:47:24.039 --> 00:47:26.679
volume cranked up as well, but I started looking through

733
00:47:26.760 --> 00:47:29.400
I'm like, what is it about this? Because I had

734
00:47:29.400 --> 00:47:32.599
worked on all these other audio clips, no problem whatsoever.

735
00:47:33.559 --> 00:47:35.719
I get in there and I start looking at this,

736
00:47:35.880 --> 00:47:39.880
you know, the spectrum of uh, you know, on the

737
00:47:40.079 --> 00:47:43.719
on the audio and down in the low end below

738
00:47:43.800 --> 00:47:49.360
twenty hurts. I see this modulation, just this modulation occurring,

739
00:47:49.880 --> 00:47:54.159
and it was just it was occurring during the you know,

740
00:47:54.280 --> 00:47:57.800
the they were this conversation, you know, where I was

741
00:47:57.800 --> 00:48:01.280
trying to clean it up. So I took it and

742
00:48:01.320 --> 00:48:04.400
I just kind of edited and cut that piece out

743
00:48:04.400 --> 00:48:08.840
of there. And when I did that, I could I

744
00:48:09.039 --> 00:48:13.320
was didn't feel strange. I didn't feel sick anymore. And

745
00:48:13.440 --> 00:48:15.239
I was like, well, what is it about that? Right?

746
00:48:15.239 --> 00:48:18.079
And I was like, I was like, well, below twenty hurts,

747
00:48:18.119 --> 00:48:21.559
it's infrasound, and it was modulating between sixteen and eighteen

748
00:48:21.840 --> 00:48:26.719
and a half hurts somewhere right in there. So of course,

749
00:48:27.000 --> 00:48:31.400
you know, infrasound we cannot hear it. But I took

750
00:48:31.440 --> 00:48:36.320
it and I bumped it up about eighty hurts, so

751
00:48:36.400 --> 00:48:40.159
it brought it into our audible range. And what I

752
00:48:40.199 --> 00:48:43.800
heard astonished me because to me, it sounds almost like

753
00:48:43.840 --> 00:48:47.719
a digitiido. So I can give an example of just

754
00:48:47.760 --> 00:48:57.840
because like, well, like that, but this modulation. And later

755
00:48:57.880 --> 00:49:02.039
on I've been working with the Doug haychick on on

756
00:49:02.199 --> 00:49:09.599
actually sasquatch legend, meet science too, and the you know,

757
00:49:09.599 --> 00:49:12.000
and of course he's the producer of Monster Quest.

758
00:49:12.639 --> 00:49:12.880
Uh.

759
00:49:12.920 --> 00:49:18.719
And and then he his eyes lit up because this

760
00:49:18.840 --> 00:49:23.320
audio came off of a two thousand and three recording

761
00:49:24.119 --> 00:49:30.000
and and of course he's had some incredible the hum

762
00:49:30.920 --> 00:49:35.280
what he calls it. Yes, that has been recorded up

763
00:49:35.280 --> 00:49:38.519
at Snow Grove and multiple other areas around the country,

764
00:49:38.960 --> 00:49:42.639
as other researchers are like, I've heard the hum. Now,

765
00:49:42.679 --> 00:49:48.199
this was an audible hum right initially. But that that

766
00:49:48.239 --> 00:49:52.840
piece of audio though, in my opinion, validates everything that

767
00:49:52.880 --> 00:49:58.239
occurred at at at the cells site because nobody knew

768
00:49:58.239 --> 00:50:01.400
about that two thousand and three. I mean, and of

769
00:50:01.440 --> 00:50:05.480
course this piece of audio also could have been even lower.

770
00:50:05.519 --> 00:50:09.239
But I think that sixteen hertz was the absolute bottom

771
00:50:09.719 --> 00:50:13.360
of the of the capture ability of the microphones on

772
00:50:13.400 --> 00:50:18.440
the equipment being used. And because that sixteen hertz was

773
00:50:18.480 --> 00:50:23.199
a total flat line right, there was no it wasn't

774
00:50:23.320 --> 00:50:25.480
up to the sixteen herts. It kind of flat lined

775
00:50:25.559 --> 00:50:28.280
right at the bottomed out at the sixteen hertz level.

776
00:50:28.599 --> 00:50:34.400
So well that that is extremely interesting. I think I've

777
00:50:35.880 --> 00:50:40.719
encountered it once in the field in Oregon on the

778
00:50:40.800 --> 00:50:45.159
edge of a meadow. We're sitting in nylon chairs. I

779
00:50:45.280 --> 00:50:48.079
just couldn't move out of my chair for like five minutes,

780
00:50:48.119 --> 00:50:50.360
and then it was like something snapped its fingers and

781
00:50:50.360 --> 00:50:53.440
then I can move and breathe again. It's really weird, dude,

782
00:50:53.480 --> 00:50:54.360
that so.

783
00:50:54.440 --> 00:50:58.599
Strong, so very strange. And that was the second time.

784
00:50:59.440 --> 00:51:04.760
I actually my second time was in out on Long Island.

785
00:51:06.079 --> 00:51:09.960
I was researching in an area where I had actually

786
00:51:09.960 --> 00:51:12.960
found there was a clan living in central Long Island,

787
00:51:13.760 --> 00:51:18.159
and I had been exchanging gifts with them for some time.

788
00:51:18.840 --> 00:51:22.519
But this one, this one area I was researching, and

789
00:51:22.559 --> 00:51:25.639
I hiked way back in there, and on the way

790
00:51:25.679 --> 00:51:30.239
back out, it was getting very dark after work, right,

791
00:51:30.360 --> 00:51:34.760
I'm actually, you know, hiking in my floorsheims and dress pants,

792
00:51:36.119 --> 00:51:39.800
so you know, and traveling for work, you know, I

793
00:51:41.119 --> 00:51:45.079
you know, I would go out just you know, whenever

794
00:51:45.119 --> 00:51:48.239
I didn't have any work obligations in the evening, and

795
00:51:48.360 --> 00:51:51.159
even sometimes after those work obligations, I would head out

796
00:51:51.280 --> 00:51:54.800
into the woods at night. And so there for a

797
00:51:54.880 --> 00:51:58.000
time I was probably logging about two hundred hours in

798
00:51:58.039 --> 00:52:04.239
the woods, you know, every year. And so this time

799
00:52:04.280 --> 00:52:07.199
I'm hiking back out of that area, and I hear

800
00:52:07.320 --> 00:52:09.519
what sounds like a jogger coming down one of the

801
00:52:09.559 --> 00:52:16.400
trails and pitch black darkness, and I don't see any light.

802
00:52:16.480 --> 00:52:20.039
There's no light from this And as it started getting

803
00:52:20.079 --> 00:52:22.679
and I had thermal, and as it started getting closer

804
00:52:22.679 --> 00:52:27.679
to me, it suddenly realizes I'm there and dives into

805
00:52:27.719 --> 00:52:32.400
this deep brush. So I started, poorly on my part,

806
00:52:32.519 --> 00:52:37.039
right annoying it by trying to get a better angle

807
00:52:37.320 --> 00:52:39.000
to see where it was in the brush in order

808
00:52:39.039 --> 00:52:42.639
to get a good recording of the thermal. And so

809
00:52:42.800 --> 00:52:45.559
this went on for probably a good ten minutes of

810
00:52:45.559 --> 00:52:48.840
me trying to walk around this edge in order to

811
00:52:48.840 --> 00:52:50.239
get an angle where I could see it, and they

812
00:52:50.239 --> 00:52:55.519
would move over. You I could see something hot in

813
00:52:55.559 --> 00:53:00.960
the brush, and when I walked, I kind of ran

814
00:53:01.039 --> 00:53:04.320
to one side. It took off and ran across, you know,

815
00:53:04.440 --> 00:53:07.880
across this other deeper brush. Well, as I look back

816
00:53:07.920 --> 00:53:11.440
over that direction, I could see it getting behind this

817
00:53:12.360 --> 00:53:17.559
very tall vertical brush area and I could, you know,

818
00:53:17.639 --> 00:53:21.480
you just see dots of heat right in between all

819
00:53:21.519 --> 00:53:25.800
the leaves and brush. And and as I started walking

820
00:53:25.880 --> 00:53:30.800
closer towards that area, I was probably still fifty sixty

821
00:53:30.800 --> 00:53:35.039
feet away from it, and my rental vehicle was right

822
00:53:36.079 --> 00:53:41.000
near me and it and all of a sudden, it

823
00:53:41.119 --> 00:53:43.920
just felt like somebody had pulled the plug on me.

824
00:53:44.039 --> 00:53:49.440
I was disoriented. I seme kind of not in my stomach,

825
00:53:50.719 --> 00:53:53.960
and finally I couldn't even stand. I ended up dropping

826
00:53:54.000 --> 00:53:58.000
down to one knee and then both knees, and you know,

827
00:53:58.119 --> 00:54:01.320
so I've got my hands on the ground and it

828
00:54:01.480 --> 00:54:05.599
just feels like this, you know, like fifty cement bags

829
00:54:05.639 --> 00:54:10.320
are laid on me, and I barely squeak out the

830
00:54:10.320 --> 00:54:16.119
words I'm a friend, and with that the weight lifted

831
00:54:16.159 --> 00:54:21.800
off of me, and I turned and I just I

832
00:54:21.880 --> 00:54:24.559
waved and I said good night and got in the

833
00:54:24.559 --> 00:54:27.760
rental car and I went and I had a beer

834
00:54:27.880 --> 00:54:31.320
because I thought, I thought, in that moment, this is

835
00:54:31.360 --> 00:54:33.599
it for me. I'm done.

836
00:54:34.199 --> 00:54:42.599
Wow, it's so wild. There's so many, man, I talked

837
00:54:42.639 --> 00:54:47.519
to a lot of people and we are dealing with

838
00:54:47.559 --> 00:54:50.480
some weird stuff, man, And it's like there's so many

839
00:54:50.559 --> 00:54:54.840
close calls that people have had after trying to initiate

840
00:54:56.079 --> 00:55:01.000
contact with whatever it is out there, and just it.

841
00:55:01.719 --> 00:55:03.760
The weirdest thing I think is, you know, you get

842
00:55:03.800 --> 00:55:08.000
all like you see the physical footprints you see the handprints,

843
00:55:09.679 --> 00:55:14.320
you see sometimes evidence of tool working. But then there's

844
00:55:14.360 --> 00:55:20.559
the stories where it's like people are affected health wise

845
00:55:20.639 --> 00:55:24.159
through infrasound or other ways, and it's like, man, I

846
00:55:24.280 --> 00:55:27.239
just hope sometimes, I hope someday we get the answers

847
00:55:27.280 --> 00:55:31.039
to why or how this is happening, how a creature

848
00:55:31.920 --> 00:55:35.920
can affect humans in such a way, And I hope

849
00:55:35.920 --> 00:55:37.360
we get I don't know if we'll ever get the

850
00:55:37.880 --> 00:55:39.320
answer to that question, but.

851
00:55:40.840 --> 00:55:44.639
Yeah, I agree, And you know, it's interesting I did.

852
00:55:44.719 --> 00:55:50.440
In twenty thirteen, I actually had I had an episode

853
00:55:50.519 --> 00:55:53.599
where I had some missing time. And this was the

854
00:55:53.639 --> 00:56:00.679
twenty thirteen BFRO expedition in Arizona, and there we had

855
00:56:01.280 --> 00:56:05.599
split up into three groups using BFRO techniques where you know,

856
00:56:05.679 --> 00:56:09.400
the groups kind of positioning themselves in an area and

857
00:56:09.480 --> 00:56:12.079
call back and forth and in order to you know,

858
00:56:12.280 --> 00:56:17.360
get reaction or you know, and the are The group

859
00:56:17.400 --> 00:56:21.599
that I was leading was on the furthest away from camp,

860
00:56:22.000 --> 00:56:26.880
so the other two were much closer. So by the

861
00:56:26.920 --> 00:56:29.639
time we had finished that evening and we didn't really

862
00:56:29.639 --> 00:56:33.480
get a lot of responses that night, although where we

863
00:56:34.280 --> 00:56:39.280
where my group was out the furthest away. Something did

864
00:56:39.320 --> 00:56:43.559
come up towards us and it stopped. And not only that,

865
00:56:43.599 --> 00:56:46.639
but it took a huge dump on the only road

866
00:56:46.679 --> 00:56:51.800
that came out of our area. And it was you know, so,

867
00:56:52.679 --> 00:56:54.480
of course, what what do you think I did with that?

868
00:56:55.679 --> 00:56:58.920
I collected, of course.

869
00:57:00.400 --> 00:57:00.559
It.

870
00:57:01.920 --> 00:57:04.639
I collected it, and you know, and it was sent

871
00:57:04.679 --> 00:57:08.119
off to the BFRO and they just said it was inconclusive.

872
00:57:08.400 --> 00:57:12.960
But it was. It was diarrhea. But there was a

873
00:57:12.960 --> 00:57:19.480
lot of oak acorn shells and you know pieces in

874
00:57:19.599 --> 00:57:23.480
the which earlier on we had found that something that

875
00:57:23.639 --> 00:57:27.480
was standing on a branch was reaching twelve feet above

876
00:57:27.519 --> 00:57:32.639
it in order to twist off and acorns off of

877
00:57:32.679 --> 00:57:34.480
an oak out of an oak tree. And that was

878
00:57:36.039 --> 00:57:39.559
I thought that was pretty conclusive, that that most likely was.

879
00:57:39.599 --> 00:57:42.400
But they said it was inconclusive, but nothing like a

880
00:57:42.440 --> 00:57:44.880
steaming bag of and it was still hot, I mean

881
00:57:45.320 --> 00:57:47.519
steaming bag of diarrhea to the bag up.

882
00:57:48.280 --> 00:57:51.239
So when they got oh, no, when you got it,

883
00:57:51.239 --> 00:57:51.519
it was.

884
00:57:51.480 --> 00:57:54.239
Still when I got it. Oh, it was still seeing yeah.

885
00:57:54.440 --> 00:57:57.760
So and of course all these newbies that were on

886
00:57:57.840 --> 00:58:00.760
the expedition were just like, ooh, leave it, you know,

887
00:58:00.800 --> 00:58:03.320
and I'm like, no, are you kidding me? This is

888
00:58:03.400 --> 00:58:06.400
good stuff. We get back into camp and uh, of

889
00:58:06.400 --> 00:58:09.320
course everybody had gotten back into camp and they're they're

890
00:58:09.360 --> 00:58:12.519
doing whoops and they're knocking on trees in and around

891
00:58:12.559 --> 00:58:14.840
the campsite. And I get back and I'm like, what

892
00:58:14.840 --> 00:58:17.159
are you guys doing, you know? And I was like,

893
00:58:17.519 --> 00:58:19.719
you're gonna, you know, you're gonna draw them into camp here.

894
00:58:19.800 --> 00:58:21.920
I was like, is this what you guys want? You know?

895
00:58:22.000 --> 00:58:25.559
And so most everybody else was just sitting around the campfire,

896
00:58:26.159 --> 00:58:28.239
and I, you know, I had pulled in and I

897
00:58:28.239 --> 00:58:33.599
had left my thermal camera in my car, and the

898
00:58:33.800 --> 00:58:38.719
uh I start to you know, I'm you know, I'm

899
00:58:38.800 --> 00:58:42.599
kind of listening to everyone's stories of you know, did

900
00:58:42.599 --> 00:58:44.599
you guys hear anything when we were out there and

901
00:58:44.599 --> 00:58:48.239
so forth, when all of a sudden, right right near

902
00:58:48.280 --> 00:58:51.280
the campsite, there was a huge knock, I mean, just

903
00:58:52.360 --> 00:58:58.079
capaw on this tree and and it was closer to

904
00:58:58.119 --> 00:59:01.559
where one of the participants had parked his vehicle. Well,

905
00:59:02.079 --> 00:59:04.119
he jumps up and of course, you know, in the firelight,

906
00:59:04.440 --> 00:59:06.639
you know, he can you know, he thinks it's its

907
00:59:06.719 --> 00:59:09.960
tree that was right near his truck, and he jumps

908
00:59:10.039 --> 00:59:12.360
up and he starts running over to towards his truck,

909
00:59:12.480 --> 00:59:14.480
and when he does, the stick comes flying out of

910
00:59:14.480 --> 00:59:18.800
the woods lands and bounces off his windshield and he

911
00:59:19.360 --> 00:59:21.199
puts on the brakes and he runs back to the

912
00:59:21.440 --> 00:59:26.239
to the campfire, you know, and I said, I said, well,

913
00:59:26.280 --> 00:59:29.000
I think we've got a visitor. That's what you guys wanted.

914
00:59:29.199 --> 00:59:31.880
And with that, I was like, I'll go get my thermal.

915
00:59:32.800 --> 00:59:37.320
And the woman who was heading up the expedition was like,

916
00:59:37.440 --> 00:59:40.360
I'll get my thermal out of my van. So and

917
00:59:40.400 --> 00:59:42.119
her van was on the other side of the camp.

918
00:59:42.159 --> 00:59:44.719
While I start walking back right towards my truck, and

919
00:59:44.760 --> 00:59:48.559
I can see my truck, you know, it's tail lights

920
00:59:48.599 --> 00:59:53.199
reflecting in the campfire light. And as I'm walking back

921
00:59:53.239 --> 00:59:59.119
towards the truck, suddenly I lose time. And what I'll

922
00:59:59.119 --> 01:00:03.639
say is I wake up, and I'm standing in front

923
01:00:03.679 --> 01:00:06.960
of this brush where this brush is probably a good

924
01:00:07.000 --> 01:00:09.920
six inches in front of my face. Where I walked

925
01:00:10.000 --> 01:00:14.280
up to this brush and I'm standing facing it, and

926
01:00:14.360 --> 01:00:18.239
I'm just like, like, where am I whatever? And I

927
01:00:18.280 --> 01:00:21.079
looked to my left and about one hundred and twenty

928
01:00:21.079 --> 01:00:25.280
feet away I see the tailights from my Durango and

929
01:00:25.320 --> 01:00:29.119
I'm like, I was like, what the hell just happened?

930
01:00:29.159 --> 01:00:31.760
And as I walk over, I get my thermal and

931
01:00:31.800 --> 01:00:35.159
I walk back to the campfire. Well, oddly enough, at

932
01:00:35.159 --> 01:00:37.519
this exact same time, the woman who had walked over

933
01:00:37.559 --> 01:00:42.920
to her van actually had the same experience. She just

934
01:00:43.119 --> 01:00:46.000
woke up, didn't know where she was, and then found

935
01:00:46.039 --> 01:00:49.840
her van got the thermal. So we did capture that

936
01:00:49.960 --> 01:00:53.199
evening a thermal of something peeking out from a tree

937
01:00:53.239 --> 01:00:56.800
that I later recreated the next day during the daytime.

938
01:00:57.559 --> 01:01:01.280
It was seven foot seven tall that peeked out around

939
01:01:01.280 --> 01:01:06.000
this tree. Another investigator who's actually helping run or is

940
01:01:06.079 --> 01:01:10.519
running the expedition this year in Arizona that I'll be

941
01:01:11.039 --> 01:01:16.960
participating in. UH, he actually had a security camera set

942
01:01:17.039 --> 01:01:21.599
up on his suburban where he had four or six

943
01:01:22.239 --> 01:01:27.599
infrared cameras on there with infrared lights, and he is

944
01:01:27.719 --> 01:01:30.760
captured at the same time that we captured thermal from that.

945
01:01:31.360 --> 01:01:36.239
From the other side, two individuals you could couldn't really

946
01:01:36.239 --> 01:01:40.000
make them out, but from a distance they're they're walking

947
01:01:40.039 --> 01:01:43.840
away from our campsite area, and then they turned their

948
01:01:43.840 --> 01:01:47.400
head and you can see, you know, the I R

949
01:01:47.599 --> 01:01:49.119
light reflecting off their eyes.

950
01:01:49.480 --> 01:01:49.880
UH.

951
01:01:49.960 --> 01:01:52.039
And you know too, each of them had two eyes,

952
01:01:52.079 --> 01:01:56.719
one was shorter, one was taller. But I thought that

953
01:01:56.880 --> 01:02:02.119
was just fantastic evidence, you know, and corroborating each other,

954
01:02:02.280 --> 01:02:04.920
because you know, here I was on that far side

955
01:02:04.920 --> 01:02:08.840
of camp with my thermal, you know, when I captured that,

956
01:02:09.239 --> 01:02:11.280
you know, leaning out, and then at the same time,

957
01:02:11.760 --> 01:02:15.000
in that same direction, here's two individuals walking away that

958
01:02:15.119 --> 01:02:22.280
was captured on video. So, like I said, inconclusive, you know,

959
01:02:22.760 --> 01:02:26.880
you know, you couldn't make out details, but certainly when

960
01:02:26.920 --> 01:02:29.960
you combine all the experiences and then the strangeness of

961
01:02:30.039 --> 01:02:33.239
missing time. Oddly enough, no one else at the campfire

962
01:02:33.320 --> 01:02:37.519
had missing time except one person, and he woke up

963
01:02:37.679 --> 01:02:41.480
sitting in his chair and was looking at the campfire,

964
01:02:41.760 --> 01:02:43.679
and I had the feeling of where am I?

965
01:02:44.159 --> 01:02:44.960
What just happened?

966
01:02:47.039 --> 01:02:48.079
So wild?

967
01:02:51.480 --> 01:02:56.920
Fascinating, man, what a fascinating group of experiences you've had

968
01:02:57.000 --> 01:03:01.159
so far. I have maybe a few more questions at

969
01:03:01.199 --> 01:03:04.719
the end, and thank you so much, Carl for spending

970
01:03:04.760 --> 01:03:08.800
your time with us today. I always like to talk

971
01:03:08.880 --> 01:03:13.440
to individuals with a lot of experience about the a

972
01:03:13.519 --> 01:03:19.920
few things. One of them is, let's say you've you've

973
01:03:19.960 --> 01:03:23.719
moved to a new area and you're wanting to try

974
01:03:23.800 --> 01:03:30.199
to scout to find out where the potential areas to

975
01:03:30.360 --> 01:03:33.519
look for Bigfoot would be in this new area you've

976
01:03:33.559 --> 01:03:36.760
moved to. What what certain things are you going to

977
01:03:36.800 --> 01:03:38.880
do to try to find those areas.

978
01:03:40.039 --> 01:03:42.559
I'm glad you asked me that, because that's really one

979
01:03:42.599 --> 01:03:49.400
of my specialties, especially especially as I, you know, travel

980
01:03:49.480 --> 01:03:51.519
a lot for work and I'll be in a brand

981
01:03:51.559 --> 01:03:55.360
new area and I'm like, I have no idea, you know,

982
01:03:55.400 --> 01:03:59.079
where they could be here? What's the you know, you know,

983
01:03:59.639 --> 01:04:03.400
what are what are my options of my evenings out right?

984
01:04:04.119 --> 01:04:06.639
As I always tell my wife, I was like, you

985
01:04:06.679 --> 01:04:09.039
don't have to worry about me being at strip clubs

986
01:04:09.039 --> 01:04:12.000
when I'm traveling for work. I'm I'm likely out in

987
01:04:12.000 --> 01:04:18.519
the woods with eight hundred pound creatures, you know, so exactly. So,

988
01:04:20.159 --> 01:04:23.639
of course, the first thing is you know a food source, right,

989
01:04:24.480 --> 01:04:26.440
you know a food source.

990
01:04:26.519 --> 01:04:27.159
Water.

991
01:04:28.880 --> 01:04:33.400
Cover. And then I've added a couple x into my formula.

992
01:04:34.440 --> 01:04:39.159
There's an area of egress. So if they can get

993
01:04:39.159 --> 01:04:42.159
into this area, how do they get out of that area,

994
01:04:42.639 --> 01:04:47.239
especially in urban areas? And then and then and then

995
01:04:47.320 --> 01:04:51.079
there's there's my fifth dimension in the in the formula,

996
01:04:51.280 --> 01:04:56.320
is a safe place kind of like the sometime place

997
01:04:56.480 --> 01:05:01.320
that that the clan had at uh at the Cells

998
01:05:01.320 --> 01:05:06.360
site in North Texas. So so when you combine all

999
01:05:06.440 --> 01:05:09.400
of those things, right, where can they go in order

1000
01:05:09.440 --> 01:05:12.159
to hide out to make sure that humans aren't going

1001
01:05:12.199 --> 01:05:14.760
to get to them even if they're in or near

1002
01:05:14.920 --> 01:05:18.119
the area that has food and water? And then if

1003
01:05:18.239 --> 01:05:20.000
need be, how do they get out of that area?

1004
01:05:20.159 --> 01:05:20.320
Right?

1005
01:05:20.400 --> 01:05:22.599
I mean it makes sense, right, we would do the

1006
01:05:22.639 --> 01:05:26.440
same thing if you were a Special Forces, if you're

1007
01:05:26.480 --> 01:05:30.079
a Navy seal, a ranger, you know, you you know,

1008
01:05:30.119 --> 01:05:34.519
they're taught these same uh, you know type of techniques, right,

1009
01:05:34.519 --> 01:05:37.400
how to get out? What's the you know, here's our mission, right,

1010
01:05:37.599 --> 01:05:43.400
the mission is food or water or maybe even observing us, right,

1011
01:05:43.400 --> 01:05:46.559
whatever that mission is. And then how do you how

1012
01:05:46.559 --> 01:05:48.559
do you get in and out of there? And where

1013
01:05:48.599 --> 01:05:51.000
can we go in order to make sure they don't

1014
01:05:51.000 --> 01:05:51.679
discover us?

1015
01:05:51.800 --> 01:05:52.000
Right?

1016
01:05:52.599 --> 01:05:56.679
So I've used that, I've and that's how I found

1017
01:05:56.719 --> 01:05:59.599
them in the suburbs of Chicago in the forest preserves.

1018
01:06:00.760 --> 01:06:04.199
And I had three from those, yeah.

1019
01:06:05.239 --> 01:06:09.239
Yeah, so three sightings in the in the forest preserves,

1020
01:06:10.519 --> 01:06:15.719
and you know one you know, actually all three of

1021
01:06:15.719 --> 01:06:18.039
them were during the day it was still light out

1022
01:06:18.719 --> 01:06:21.079
when I went back in there, but one was crossing

1023
01:06:21.119 --> 01:06:25.000
a railroad track and uh and when I actually saw

1024
01:06:25.039 --> 01:06:28.679
it moving and where it was crossing from, then I

1025
01:06:28.719 --> 01:06:31.280
took that and I plugged that into my formula. All Right,

1026
01:06:31.280 --> 01:06:33.599
why was it going there? You know, where did it

1027
01:06:33.639 --> 01:06:36.920
come from? You know, and you start doing that kind

1028
01:06:36.920 --> 01:06:40.239
of analysis, and you know, for I'm a software consultant

1029
01:06:40.400 --> 01:06:43.719
by trade, I do a lot of data analysis. I've

1030
01:06:44.440 --> 01:06:48.639
you know, over the decades, I've you know, debugged programs

1031
01:06:48.679 --> 01:06:51.199
that had eighteen million lines of code, and you know,

1032
01:06:51.320 --> 01:06:53.639
you try to and you know, I can notice the

1033
01:06:54.559 --> 01:06:57.480
you know, one thing's not like the other's type of thing.

1034
01:06:57.519 --> 01:07:00.719
And that occurs every time I go out into the woods.

1035
01:07:00.760 --> 01:07:04.280
I'm I'll just put it this way. I'm detail oriented

1036
01:07:04.360 --> 01:07:11.840
in that aspect. So so when yeah, and that's and

1037
01:07:11.880 --> 01:07:14.679
that's really I mean, that's how I found them. Also

1038
01:07:15.000 --> 01:07:18.039
when I was out on Long Island. Now, the last

1039
01:07:18.519 --> 01:07:21.880
sighting report that the BFO had from Long Island was

1040
01:07:21.920 --> 01:07:25.840
eighteen ninety nine at Rockaway Beach, which is kind of

1041
01:07:25.880 --> 01:07:31.639
on the south west corner of the island. And you know,

1042
01:07:31.760 --> 01:07:34.840
so I was just starting scratched and I spent and

1043
01:07:34.880 --> 01:07:37.480
a lot of times everybody tells me, they're like, it

1044
01:07:37.559 --> 01:07:39.360
seems like you just go into the woods and oh

1045
01:07:39.400 --> 01:07:41.639
there's a sasquattion, go into the woods and oh no,

1046
01:07:41.760 --> 01:07:47.199
there's hours, hours and hours of homework, research, everything that

1047
01:07:47.239 --> 01:07:49.679
goes into it, and a lot of you know, do

1048
01:07:49.719 --> 01:07:52.239
you want to do? You want to see every every

1049
01:07:52.840 --> 01:07:56.480
log entry that says spent four hours in these woods

1050
01:07:56.480 --> 01:08:01.960
and didn't find anything, right, you know? I mean, but

1051
01:08:02.360 --> 01:08:04.519
you know what I ended up doing was on Long

1052
01:08:04.559 --> 01:08:11.400
Island was looking at paranormal websites. So I started reading

1053
01:08:11.440 --> 01:08:14.599
some of these ghost hunting groups that were on Long Island. Now,

1054
01:08:14.760 --> 01:08:17.640
of course, Long Island has a long history going all

1055
01:08:17.640 --> 01:08:21.960
the way back into the sixteen hundreds, and when I

1056
01:08:22.000 --> 01:08:26.119
found that there was some quote unquote haunted woods and

1057
01:08:26.680 --> 01:08:33.560
you can still hear the mournful moans of a mother

1058
01:08:33.640 --> 01:08:37.039
who lost her child in sixteen fifty or you know

1059
01:08:37.199 --> 01:08:42.560
some urban legend like that, right, And they went there

1060
01:08:42.640 --> 01:08:45.840
to you know, the paranormal group, you know, spent the

1061
01:08:45.960 --> 01:08:50.840
night in those haunted woods and rocks, you know, rocks

1062
01:08:50.840 --> 01:08:54.560
were thrown at them, just just materialized from nowhere and

1063
01:08:54.600 --> 01:08:57.720
were thrown at them, right, I.

1064
01:08:57.680 --> 01:08:59.119
Read that account.

1065
01:08:59.199 --> 01:09:04.520
Yeah, yeah, and I said, I said, oh, that's a sasquatch, right,

1066
01:09:04.600 --> 01:09:07.199
So I narrowed it down into you know, in fact,

1067
01:09:07.520 --> 01:09:11.760
the one area that I, you know, really researched in

1068
01:09:11.960 --> 01:09:15.800
was it's called Mount Misery because all going all the

1069
01:09:15.840 --> 01:09:19.680
way back into the mid sixteen hundreds, as farmers were

1070
01:09:19.680 --> 01:09:24.359
taking their product over to New Amsterdam, they you know,

1071
01:09:24.479 --> 01:09:28.479
they would drive past that and they would hear moans

1072
01:09:28.640 --> 01:09:32.880
and howls from these woods right going all way back

1073
01:09:33.000 --> 01:09:39.680
in the sixteen fifties. So and that was you know,

1074
01:09:39.760 --> 01:09:43.000
and I used that same formula of looking at paranormal

1075
01:09:43.039 --> 01:09:46.800
websites all over Long Island, and I ended up finding

1076
01:09:47.079 --> 01:09:52.239
two areas that definitely had multiple clans in them. So

1077
01:09:52.720 --> 01:09:57.359
it was it was very rewarding, even in the summertime

1078
01:09:57.399 --> 01:09:59.880
when the ticks were very prevalent.

1079
01:10:01.319 --> 01:10:04.319
Yeah, gotta love that. That's a really smart idea. I'm

1080
01:10:04.319 --> 01:10:12.000
going to start doing that last question. So let's say

1081
01:10:12.399 --> 01:10:15.439
you've got you've got the new area you're going to

1082
01:10:15.520 --> 01:10:19.960
check out, but you want to try to initiate some

1083
01:10:20.239 --> 01:10:25.720
form of interaction. I would assume, Okay, how do you

1084
01:10:26.239 --> 01:10:29.880
recommend going about that? I know there are different ways

1085
01:10:29.920 --> 01:10:31.279
for people to try to do that.

1086
01:10:33.319 --> 01:10:36.359
So what I've done and had really great success with,

1087
01:10:36.880 --> 01:10:42.199
is well, first off, extending one hundred percent trust, right,

1088
01:10:42.560 --> 01:10:45.560
don't you know, if you think you see one or

1089
01:10:45.640 --> 01:10:49.199
hear one in area, don't stand there gawking in point or whatever.

1090
01:10:49.800 --> 01:10:53.840
Really show that you're a friend, right and trust And

1091
01:10:53.920 --> 01:10:57.279
because they're likely watching you already as you you're hiking

1092
01:10:57.319 --> 01:11:01.359
into the specific area or looking around, and you know,

1093
01:11:01.399 --> 01:11:03.760
the first thing I would do is try to find

1094
01:11:03.880 --> 01:11:07.479
some structures, you know, or other evidence to know that

1095
01:11:07.800 --> 01:11:11.479
they're in this area or maybe frequent the area. On

1096
01:11:11.560 --> 01:11:17.279
Long Island, I found piles of empty water bottles or

1097
01:11:17.439 --> 01:11:19.439
some of them were filled. You know, I'd come back

1098
01:11:19.439 --> 01:11:22.520
to that that what I would call a trash pile,

1099
01:11:22.600 --> 01:11:25.319
but it was really just water bottles and they'd be

1100
01:11:25.359 --> 01:11:28.760
filled another time. You know, what are they doing whatever? Well, okay,

1101
01:11:28.479 --> 01:11:33.279
they're they're actually filling water bottles off of the sprinklers

1102
01:11:33.319 --> 01:11:39.159
at a corporate center nearby. You know, so unlike what

1103
01:11:39.199 --> 01:11:41.479
we would do, right, But once I knew that they

1104
01:11:41.479 --> 01:11:44.880
were in this area and frequented and where they were

1105
01:11:44.920 --> 01:11:48.279
going at least for a water supply, then I started.

1106
01:11:49.000 --> 01:11:52.359
I picked a spot and I started putting. I'd put

1107
01:11:52.359 --> 01:11:55.600
an apple up in a tree and try to make

1108
01:11:55.640 --> 01:11:57.840
it so it's maybe a little more difficult for something

1109
01:11:57.840 --> 01:12:01.760
to get at it. But you know, a couple of

1110
01:12:01.800 --> 01:12:05.359
days apple wasn't touched, and then the apple was gone. Right, Well,

1111
01:12:05.399 --> 01:12:09.560
it could have been a bird, could have been whatever.

1112
01:12:09.840 --> 01:12:10.000
Right.

1113
01:12:10.640 --> 01:12:15.039
This went on for weeks where but I was consistent, right, consistency, trust,

1114
01:12:15.960 --> 01:12:20.239
those are really things they respect, and you know, and

1115
01:12:20.279 --> 01:12:23.479
then finally the apple was taken. And then there was

1116
01:12:23.560 --> 01:12:25.760
a polished rock that was left up in the nook

1117
01:12:25.800 --> 01:12:29.720
of this tree, right where the apple advents. So I

1118
01:12:29.760 --> 01:12:32.600
got all excited. I actually took the rock and I

1119
01:12:32.640 --> 01:12:35.159
went into the office that day. I took a picture

1120
01:12:35.159 --> 01:12:37.199
of it on my desk. I sent it off to

1121
01:12:37.560 --> 01:12:42.880
all my researchers in my group, and and and one

1122
01:12:42.880 --> 01:12:45.239
of them said, said, oh, no, you should put it

1123
01:12:45.279 --> 01:12:47.720
back where it was. You know, it's like they're they're

1124
01:12:47.720 --> 01:12:50.279
trying to heal the or where the apple. I said,

1125
01:12:51.000 --> 01:12:53.920
it seemed like it was a gift whatever. So at lunchtime,

1126
01:12:53.920 --> 01:12:57.319
I drove back over. I went and I was about

1127
01:12:57.319 --> 01:12:59.479
to put the rock back exactly where it had been,

1128
01:13:00.439 --> 01:13:02.359
And then I decided to now you know what, I'm

1129
01:13:02.399 --> 01:13:06.000
going to put this over here on this broken tree

1130
01:13:06.159 --> 01:13:08.840
that was maybe twenty feet away. So I set the

1131
01:13:08.920 --> 01:13:10.720
rock over on that and then I went back to

1132
01:13:10.760 --> 01:13:14.640
the office. Well, after work, I go back over to

1133
01:13:14.720 --> 01:13:17.479
my hotel, I get an apple. I head back over

1134
01:13:17.520 --> 01:13:19.880
to the woods again that you know, and just red

1135
01:13:19.960 --> 01:13:22.720
dusk and I get out there and I'm going to

1136
01:13:22.760 --> 01:13:26.479
put an apple up in the tree. And that little

1137
01:13:26.520 --> 01:13:29.159
polished rock is no longer on the broken tree stump.

1138
01:13:29.199 --> 01:13:31.439
It's up where the apple had been where I was

1139
01:13:31.520 --> 01:13:35.079
just about to place another apple. And I was like,

1140
01:13:36.359 --> 01:13:39.359
I'm supposed to have that, right. So this went on,

1141
01:13:39.640 --> 01:13:44.800
little fossils, feathers, you know, other just rock, you know,

1142
01:13:44.960 --> 01:13:52.039
interesting rocks, all left for me. And one evening in

1143
01:13:52.119 --> 01:13:55.399
the wintertime, it was probably ten degrees out there was

1144
01:13:55.439 --> 01:13:58.399
a foot of snow on the ground, and I went

1145
01:13:58.399 --> 01:14:00.479
out there. I thought, well, they might be hung and

1146
01:14:00.520 --> 01:14:03.439
it was dark, you know, it was like early January,

1147
01:14:03.960 --> 01:14:06.600
and I was like, I'm I'll take a couple of apples.

1148
01:14:06.600 --> 01:14:09.039
I'll put them out there, you know, because they're probably hungrier.

1149
01:14:09.560 --> 01:14:13.880
So I'm walking. I parked the car in the parking

1150
01:14:13.880 --> 01:14:16.760
lot at this corporate center and I started walking in

1151
01:14:16.800 --> 01:14:19.800
on this trail into the woods, and before, just before

1152
01:14:19.840 --> 01:14:23.640
I got into the brush area, this huge tree snap,

1153
01:14:23.800 --> 01:14:29.279
just boom, you know, breaks not even fifty feet away

1154
01:14:29.279 --> 01:14:32.840
from me, and I stopped dead in my tracks and

1155
01:14:34.079 --> 01:14:37.720
I just I held up the two apples and I said,

1156
01:14:37.880 --> 01:14:40.039
these are for you, and I just rolled them up

1157
01:14:40.399 --> 01:14:43.520
up the trail, went and got back in my rental car,

1158
01:14:43.680 --> 01:14:45.479
drove back over to the hotel, which is about a

1159
01:14:45.560 --> 01:14:50.000
quarter mile away, and parked the car. The next morning,

1160
01:14:50.079 --> 01:14:52.239
i'm you know, I'm car pooling with a couple of

1161
01:14:53.239 --> 01:14:57.399
associates of mine, and we get out to the parking

1162
01:14:57.439 --> 01:15:01.359
lot at the hotel there and there's a fossil sitting

1163
01:15:01.399 --> 01:15:05.319
on top of my rental car, right above the driver's

1164
01:15:05.359 --> 01:15:08.800
side door. My coworkers are looking. They're like, they're like,

1165
01:15:10.079 --> 01:15:13.279
what what's that? How did what? How did that get there?

1166
01:15:13.600 --> 01:15:18.680
And I and I was like, let's pile in. I'll

1167
01:15:18.680 --> 01:15:22.479
tell you a story on the way to work. And

1168
01:15:22.960 --> 01:15:25.640
so up until that point, I was trying to keep

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my evening proclivities under under wraps. But it was, you know,

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after that time, they called me the world's most interesting man,

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but I am not a dose that use spokesperson, but

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right exactly.

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Oh my goodness, there's some really good advice listeners can

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take away from that. But Carl, thank you so much

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for hanging out with us today, sharing your accounts what

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01:15:53.640 --> 01:15:57.000
you've learned. And I'm sure a lot of listeners can

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01:15:59.000 --> 01:16:02.760
can use this informa and have some some cool things

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happen as well. But I want to make sure is

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there anything that you want to make sure that listeners

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01:16:09.479 --> 01:16:13.000
know about that they can ways they can follow you

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01:16:13.279 --> 01:16:17.279
or or you know, read or or watch more about

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01:16:17.319 --> 01:16:20.399
what you're doing, and maybe even a way to contact

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01:16:20.439 --> 01:16:21.000
you as well.

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01:16:21.800 --> 01:16:27.720
Sure. Sure, So you can always reach me on Facebook

1185
01:16:27.760 --> 01:16:31.680
all the time. I manage multiple groups on there, so

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that's always a good way to reach out to me.

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01:16:36.479 --> 01:16:40.880
And then I've also got a lot of my research

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01:16:40.960 --> 01:16:44.880
blogs that I wrote up out on ghost Hunting Theories

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dot com. So there's a search box there you can

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just search my name and you'll find that out there.

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01:16:52.199 --> 01:16:56.119
And like you said earlier, Bigfoot Encounters dot com. Although

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I don't check that email as frequently as I should,

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01:17:00.199 --> 01:17:05.439
but certainly, and you could always reach out to me.

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01:17:05.479 --> 01:17:08.239
You can drop me an email. It's just Carl dot

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01:17:08.359 --> 01:17:13.119
j dot Sup at gmail dot com.

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01:17:13.159 --> 01:17:15.840
Perfect. Well, thank you so much for coming on the

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show again, Carl, and we'll have to stay and touch

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it to see what comes your way in the future.

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Have a great rest of your day, sir.

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Thank you so much. Thank you so much, and it's

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been a pleasure of being on your show.

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01:17:32.520 --> 01:17:35.479
Have you ever heard all the accounts of bigfoot activity

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around Oakridge, Oregon and you think to yourself, Man, I

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would love to get out in those woods and experience

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01:17:41.680 --> 01:17:46.199
it for myself. Well, guess what this year you can.

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If this is interesting to you, stay tuned because it's

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pretty cool. Sasquatch Summer Fest is coming up July tenth

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through the eleventh, twenty twenty six. It's going to be

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even better than the previous series. You may know Jason

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Kenzie from his documentary series Searching for Sasquatch. Well, this

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year you can not only go to the festival, but

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you can also sign up for a track deep in

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the wild forest outside of Oakridge with Jason Kenzie to

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the Bigfoot spots to look for Bigfoot. There's only eight

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spots to sign up for this, and yes, this will

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also be filmed for the next chapter in his documentary series,

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which is Searching for Sasquatch. This is a once in

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lifetime deal. It's just it's going to be a wild,

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wild experience. To get a ticket, head on over to

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Sasquatch Summerfest dot com and listeners can use the code

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b SP like Bigfoot Society podcast in order to get

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a two day pass for the price of a one

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day pass. Yes, so thanks to Priscilla for giving me

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that code so that you guys can can get a

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little help with the cost there. Appreciate that, Priscilla. Before

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we wrap this episode, I want to say something directly

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01:19:18.399 --> 01:19:21.199
to a very specific group of listeners. If you're in

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01:19:21.239 --> 01:19:25.159
the military, any branch or forces, and if you've seen

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01:19:25.239 --> 01:19:27.840
something that no one can explain, or if you're a

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01:19:27.920 --> 01:19:31.159
National Park ranger or forestry worker who's been told to

1231
01:19:31.159 --> 01:19:34.520
stay quiet, or if you're a pilot who's seen something

1232
01:19:34.600 --> 01:19:37.520
strange down on the ground, or if you're with the

1233
01:19:37.640 --> 01:19:41.520
FBI a federal agency, or working intelligence and you've stumbled

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01:19:41.600 --> 01:19:44.439
upon something you're not allowed to talk about. And if

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01:19:44.439 --> 01:19:48.000
you're a firefighter, paramedic, or search and rescue responder who's

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01:19:48.039 --> 01:19:51.640
heard screams or found tracks that didn't make sense. If

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01:19:51.680 --> 01:19:55.359
you're in the logging industry, on a remote oil field,

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01:19:55.520 --> 01:19:58.520
or a trucker with government contracts and you've had something

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01:19:58.600 --> 01:20:01.800
happen that you've I never told a soul. And if

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01:20:01.840 --> 01:20:05.520
you're a biologist, a wildlife specialist, or a field researcher

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01:20:05.680 --> 01:20:09.319
under contract who has found evidence you're not allowed to report.

1242
01:20:09.840 --> 01:20:12.319
If you're a pastor, a missionary, or someone on a

1243
01:20:12.359 --> 01:20:15.840
spiritual retreat and you saw something that shook your faith,

1244
01:20:16.520 --> 01:20:19.640
or if you work in the shadows CIA, NSA or

1245
01:20:19.680 --> 01:20:23.039
anything with clearance and you've seen what the public hasn't,

1246
01:20:24.399 --> 01:20:27.880
then I want to talk to you, even if it's anonymous.

1247
01:20:29.640 --> 01:20:33.159
You can reach me at Bigfoot Society at gmail dot com.

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01:20:33.600 --> 01:20:36.039
The world needs to hear what you've been forced to

1249
01:20:36.079 --> 01:20:41.960
carry alone. And you're not alone. You've got the story,

1250
01:20:42.399 --> 01:20:46.239
We've got the mic. See you in the woods. Thank

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01:20:46.239 --> 01:20:49.119
you for listening to this episode of the Bigfoot Society podcast.

1252
01:20:49.199 --> 01:20:51.600
Every encounter we share reminds us that the world is

1253
01:20:51.640 --> 01:20:54.800
bigger and stranger than we think, and that the truth

1254
01:20:54.840 --> 01:20:57.680
is often hiding just beyond the tree line. If you

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01:21:22.000 --> 01:21:24.479
please I'd love to hear from you, so email me

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at Bigfoot Society at gmail dot com and let's start

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01:21:48.000 --> 01:21:50.720
you are. Thanks again for following along with the Bigfoot

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01:21:50.760 --> 01:21:54.199
Society until next time, keep your eyes open, trust your gut,

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01:21:54.239 --> 01:21:56.520
and never stop asking what else might be out there?

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And see you in the woods.