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Sept. 9, 2026

He Didn't Tell Todd Standing About the Recorders — Then This Happened

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Season 1

What happens when a skeptical BFRO investigator travels deep into British Columbia with one of the most controversial figures in the Bigfoot world?


Frank Middleton joins Bigfoot Society to share years of field investigations across Florida, Tennessee, Kentucky, and British Columbia.


Frank approaches the subject with a track-and-sign background and a simple rule: eliminate the ordinary explanations first.


That approach has taken him into some remarkable situations.


In Middle Tennessee, a massive scream wakes him in the middle of the night and is followed by slow footsteps moving across the gravel toward his tent.


In Florida’s Green Swamp, Frank and his sons watch large amber-colored eyes swaying behind a tree at the edge of the woods. Later that night, something begins walking around their tent.


In Southeast Tennessee, Frank describes multiple sets of apparently self-illuminating eyes appearing across a mountainside for hours. At one point, the group counts nine sets. Two of them later break away and appear to follow members of the group down the mountain.


Frank also shares reports involving unexplained voices, wood knocks, rocks thrown into a pond, possible tracks, thermal images, a frightening Kentucky scream, and an overpowering odor that arrives immediately afterward.


Then the conversation reaches British Columbia and Todd Standing.


Frank went there specifically because he wanted to see the location for himself.


What happened during that trip deserves to be heard in his own words.


This episode is packed with field reports, strange evidence, firsthand observations, and incidents Frank still cannot fully explain.

Resources:

https://bfro.net

https://squatchinfl.com


https://www.youtube.com/@SasquatchUN-Redacted

Email: fmiddleton33@yahoo.com



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So stay with us.

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Please keep Jeremiah in your prayers as he continues his

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fight against cancer. For more updates about his medical journey,

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please go to the CaringBridge link in the show notes.

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Thank you. All right, Bigfoot Society, we've got the privilege

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of talking to Frank Middleton today. I've wanted to talk

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to Frank for a very long time. So welcome to

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the show, Frank. How are you doing today, sir?

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I'm doing good, man. I'm glad to be on here.

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It's been a while. We talked a lot through emails

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and stuff, but I'm glad we finally getting it going.

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Absolutely.

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You're one of the guys in the background that are

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going everywhere and you have a lot of cool experiences.

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So some info about Frank for listeners. He's a BFRO investigator.

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he is a veteran as well, correct?

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Very good. Very good.

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Thank you for, for your service there, Frank, as well.

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You are certified in track and sign. Is that through

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the military or?

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No. One of the people that I was good friends

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with in the BFRO, we do a lot of track

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and stuff and she, she's really, really good at it.

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And Uh, she kind of got me involved with a

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group and it's actually an organization in the United States. Uh,

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it's called track and sign. Uh, and it's some of

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the best Jonathan Poppily. Uh, he was one of like,

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there's a lot of your best trackers in the United States,

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I guess, maybe in the world that do it. And, uh, they, they,

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once you go and, you go to some of their

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courses and, uh, what I like about them is like,

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you obviously, if you study and stuff beforehand, great, but, uh,

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I hadn't. And, uh, but what they do is when

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you get there, you know, you'll get a piece of

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paper and you'll write down like 60 questions and then you'll,

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they'll go through and track and find stuff. And then they'll,

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they'll set you out in groups and you'll go through,

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And basically, they'll tell you to describe what it is.

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And if you get it wrong, you get it wrong.

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If you get it right, great. But then they tell

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you everything. And I learn a lot better that way.

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And then once you score a certain level, then you

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either pass or fail. But there's degrees to it. So

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I don't think you can miss any to be a

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professional tracker. Yeah. Yeah, it's pretty intense, but I got

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certified in that my first time going. And trust me,

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I'm not saying by no means that I'm a top-notch tracker.

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There's a lot of good trackers out there. But for

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me doing that, it brought me into the world of

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Sasquatch Bigfoot just because the more I understand... the tracks

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and tracking and tracking sign, then it helps me to

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eliminate the due process of being like, okay, well, could

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that be a Sasquatch? I know this animal does this.

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I know this animal does this and makes this sign.

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So it kind of helps. That's kind of the reason

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I wanted to get into it after.

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Okay.

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I also want to mention before we get too much

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into it, you are part of the Squatch and FL group,

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which is a great group. great guys and gals uh

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also your co-host sasquatch unredacted with host richard uh farabee.

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Is that right bravery i couldn't spell it i used

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to work with a.

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Farabee but if he was listening i still remember your

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buddy um but that yeah so i'll definitely have links

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to uh that down in the show notes so are

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you saying then that tracking got you into the the

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bigfoot subject to begin with.

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No, Bigfoot got me into tracking. Kind of the opposite because,

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you know, it's so easy to go out in the

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field and see something. And, you know, a lot of

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people jump to, that's a Bigfoot, that's a Bigfoot. And

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not to say that they're wrong or right, but for

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me as an investigator, Bigfoot should be the last thing

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I narrow it down to. you know, I should be

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able to rule out everything else. So when I got

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into learning the tracking, it blew my mind, I guess,

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the amount of lack of knowledge that we have anymore

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as humans. Uh, you know, back in the day, everybody

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was out in the field and tracking and there's a

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lot of good hunters and trackers and stuff out there.

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But for me personally, uh, You know, I grew up

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in the mountains and I spent a lot of time

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out in the woods. But there's so much knowledge out

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there that we don't understand because we just not took

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the time to learn it. And as a society, we're

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going farther and farther away from it. And so for me,

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getting into tracking was something that I got into because

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of Bigfoot. Because the more things I learn about what

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animals are in each region and how they move and

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what their tracks do and what kind of signs they

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leave and things like that, I just looked at it

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as it would help me to be able to eliminate, okay,

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you know, there's a certain scratch on a tree or,

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you know what I'm saying? Like, that's what kind of

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got me into the track and find. I also, I hunt,

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so it helps out with that and things like that. But, uh,

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being able to identify and, and help my process of

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eliminating whether it is or ain't a Sasquatch is kind

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of why I got into it. And, uh, so when

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I got into that, it opened my eyes to a

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whole new, it was really a game changer. Uh, and

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there's a lot of good books and there's, It's tons

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and tons of studying if you really want to study

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it and get better at it. But, you know, there

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are certain breaks and stuff in trees that, you know,

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that people jump into and automatically say Bigfoot. And, you know,

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they forget that there's lots of insects and stuff out

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there that can whittle trees down and, you know, just

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nature in itself. But I started getting into tracking because

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of the Bigfoot stuff.

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Frank, so a question I want to ask you is,

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and I ask this because I went through it myself,

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and I'm sure a lot of people in this field

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go through it. It seems like when you actually get

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out there and you start looking into this phenomenon, there's

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always that one situation that you can remember where something

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happened and it pushed you over the 100%. Is there

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something in mind that you can think back to like, oh,

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this happened and it pushed me way over.

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Man, there's been quite a bit happen. Well, I guess

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the first thing that really just got me into it

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was my very first BFRL expedition. I live so far

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down in South Florida now that it's a 15, 16

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hour drive just to get up to Tennessee and stuff.

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And that's, if you don't run into traffic. And at

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that time, I didn't really know that any groups actually

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allow people to go out like the BFRO. Uh, I

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just started looking into, uh, where can I find people

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to go out with? And it brought me to them.

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And I started, and I got in contact with Lori

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Wade and she's amazing. Uh, uh, So I went with hers,

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and the first one was there in Middle Tennessee. And

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I think, you know, she kind of explained it like, look,

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something may happen, something may not happen. We don't hoax.

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We don't scare people. We don't put up anything in

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the woods like to promote sound or anything. Like if

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something happens, great. If it don't, it don't. And so

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I was like, okay, so for me, I try to

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drive and get up, get up to these places like

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a day or two ahead of time. And then a

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day or two after that way I can rest before

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the expedition starts. And then I can rest a day

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or so after, because once it starts, you're kind of going,

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you know, stuff like that. So I was in camp, uh,

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by myself if there was anybody else there might have

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been like another camper, like, on the far end of

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the campground. We wasn't around each other. But I remember,

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you know, here I am. I'm all excited. I'm, you know,

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a little nervous about it and stuff because not so

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much scared but, like, thinking. Then again, you know, I

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guess scared did come into play because when I first

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started learning about this stuff, you know, I grew up

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in Kentucky and I'd had stuff happen, but I wasn't

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into the Bigfoot stuff at that time. So once I

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got into it, those things that happened kind of re-entered

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my mind and said that that was probably what it was.

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So I was excited, but I was nervous to think that, man,

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you know, if this thing is legit, then we're kind

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of at its mercy. You know, I've been in the

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woods a lot and I'm not scared of cats and bears.

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And now when you get up to like British Columbia

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and out in the Northwest where there's grizzlies and stuff, yeah,

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that's a little different, but black bears for the most part,

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I try to get away from you. And so I wasn't,

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I've never really been scared as far as being in

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the woods about that. But I remember thinking, you know,

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if this thing's real and it's as smart as, everybody

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makes it out to be, then we're kind of at

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its mercy with this size and stuff. So that kind

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of presented a different type of fear. So I had

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a little nervous energy, I guess. And I remember I

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was in my tent and I had a little single

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tent and I was laying on my cot and it

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was like 2.30, 3 in the morning and this huge

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scream slash howl came in and it woke me up

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out of a sleep. and it sounded like it was maybe,

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you know, a hundred yards from my, my camp or,

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or my tent was, but it was so guttural that

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I could feel it in my chest. Like if you

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were standing around like a big bass speaker or whatever,

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and it's like my left arm was brushed up against

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the tent and it was like, almost like you could

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feel it vibrating. And at that point, I'm just like,

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oh my goodness, you know, like this is real, you know,

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and I've heard coyotes. I've heard all that stuff out

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in the woods and nothing compared to it. And so I,

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you know, I laid there and I thought, well, it

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sounded pretty close. And, uh, the only thing I could

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think was grab my pew pew and put it on

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my chest and, and just sit there and be still

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and calm. And I knew I wasn't going back to

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sleep and maybe about it done it twice. And then,

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Maybe about 10 minutes went by and the campgrounds there

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have gravel in the campsites. So like you hear, I

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started hearing like footsteps and it was slow, but it

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was definitely what sounded like bipedal footsteps, like somebody was

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sneaking up to my tent. And it was enough for

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me to yell out, hey, you know, if you're somebody

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messing with me, you're going to get shot. You know,

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that's a good way to get shot. And I never

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heard it back out, and I never heard it advance

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or anything. And so that moment in general was probably

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what initially hooked me. And then from that point on,

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you know, that whole time in that spot was absolutely amazing.

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I had a lot of stuff happen there. And then

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from there on, you know, it was a hit or

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miss in certain places, but then, you know, there was

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places that I did have stuff, but that was probably,

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probably the first initial, like that's, that's kind of what

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sunk the hook in, you know, and from that point on,

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I'd done a deep dive.

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I always think it's fascinating how I've asked that question

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before and even asked it to myself and like i

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haven't had a visual yet but it's like there are

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more than a few people where it's it's just a

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situation where you hear that vocal something's walking around your

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tent so it's not even a visual sighting and that

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is enough to to push you over i mean that's

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what happened to me in oregon in 2024 um i

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do also want to address for new listeners um this

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is going to be one of those interviews. Whenever I

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talk to someone associated with a BFRO, there's, we're always

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talking about locations and those are going to be vague

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and that's to protect the organization's research. And some of

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the locations are also actually private property. And so we

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don't want to mess with the homeowner as well. And it's, that's, it's,

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it's how the internet view is going to run. So,

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if some listeners are like, Oh yeah, tell us where, well,

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this isn't going to be the one for that.

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And I respect that. So, um, Frank, can you, can

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you think, uh, what was the first time.

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Uh, that you, that you have, and I, I'm, I'm

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assuming this, I think I remember because you have had,

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have you, have you had a visual before?

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Uh, me and my kids have one in Florida. Uh, yeah,

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it was, and then we had, uh, I never made

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out the body of the ones in Tennessee, but we

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had the illuminate knives in Tennessee. And then we had

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the thermal picture of, uh, uh, it's two juveniles in Tennessee.

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And then, uh, but the visual that me and my

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kids had in Florida was the same year. And we

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was in Coke Creek. And I remember looking at a, uh,

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I think it was Mike Flamont at that time. Uh, I,

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you know, at that time I was just really jumping

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into podcasts and, you know, you were the very first

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person I had had ever reached out to, uh, back

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when you used to do, and I'm not sure if

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you're still doing it, but the Collins, uh, Right.

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They're a little different now. I do them. They're just

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over on TikTok. But yeah, I still kind of do that.

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Yeah. Well, when you when you was doing those pretty heavy.

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You were the first person that I reached out to

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and was talking to because, you know, it had built

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up in me so much that I just had to

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start talking about it. And so. I had ran across

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Mike Flamont's. and they were talking about this place in

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Coat Creek. And I think at the time, Mid-Florida Research Group,

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Maria and them, was doing one. And I think it

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was like a get-together. And there was a lot of

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people out there. And I just wanted to take the

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kids out there and kind of get them acquainted. And

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they're older. So when we went out there, I showed up.

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It was like already late. And by the time I

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got my tent put up, They were already fixing to

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go on a big walk. And based off the property,

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based off the property, everybody was kind of huddled up

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on one side of the field. And it's it's probably

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a couple of football fields in size. And so everybody

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was down here. So I kind of was like, OK, well,

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according to this podcast, these things come in and watch

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you from the woodland. And they've had eye shine and

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all this stuff. So I was like, where would I

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think if I was them would be the best place

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to spy on people and still be in safe regard

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of not being seen or getting away. And I thought, okay, well,

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this corner up here next to the woods, it's away

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from everybody. I'll go set my stuff up there. So

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by the time I got like my last stake drove in,

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Maria then came and told us, you know, Hey, you know,

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we're all going for a walk, yada, yada. So, I

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didn't really have time to grab my stuff, and we

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took off and started walking with them. And, you know,

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we walked like maybe a mile or so and then

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came back. But as we came back, everybody had kind

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of stopped there at the beginning where everybody had been

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hanging out. They had a fire pit going on. Everybody

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was kind of just sitting around, hanging out, talking and whatnot.

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So me and my two boys was walking back towards

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the tent. And as we started getting back towards the tent,

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we seen these big amber eyes behind the tent, maybe

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25 yards or so into the wood line. And it

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was just sitting there like swaying back and forth behind

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this tree watching us. And it was from that distance,

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it looked about like my height. And it never took

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its eyes off of us. It was just sitting there swaying,

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you know, like this. And me and my kids was

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watching it and We was slowly walking closer to it,

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and I thought, man, you know, like, it's getting dark.

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Let me just run in the tent real quick and

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grab my thermal and come back. And when I turned

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to bolt to get my thermal, this thing took and

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turned and went in the same direction that I was.

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It would have been to my left, so it would

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have ran to its right. And you just heard just

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weeds and brush just tearing. And then my kids was like...

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I'd snapped a few pictures with my phone before I

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got my thermal, and I had one picture that was

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pretty good of the eyes, but as soon as I

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took off, my kids I heard it so I knew

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it took off but my kids was like yeah it

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ran it took off and then the next morning we

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went out there to try to look for tracks and

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it was standing in water so it was like almost

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I guess mid-calf almost knee-high water and so you couldn't

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see anything but you know deer's eyes are normally like

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a whitish green you know and the only time i've

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heard people say that their eyes are red the only

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time a deer's eyes are really red is if you're

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shining like a red light towards them most of the

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time a deer's eyes are going to show either like

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a whitish looking or a green and these were like

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a big yellowish amber looking and uh i mean at

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least six foot But the swaying was what got me.

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And it never ducked or nothing like that. And I

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couldn't make out anything other than the eyes and the swaying.

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You could kind of base the silhouette of it just

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because the tree that it was standing behind was probably

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about as round as a basketball. But the distance that

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it would, when its eyes would go out and come back.

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But that, that was probably the closest thing to a

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visual that I've seen as far as, you know, anything

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personally seen, uh, you know, I've found tracks and, and,

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and I've had some pretty crazy stuff, but like the

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visual that, that was probably the closest. Uh, and that's

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the only thing I could narrow it down to is I,

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deers don't act that way. We do have black bear

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down here. They don't act that way. Uh, nothing that

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I know acts that way or has eyes that color and,

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but the swaying and stuff. And then maybe, maybe about two,

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two 30 that night, my Otis nudged me and was like, Hey,

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there's something walking around the tent. And I kind of

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blew him off like, ah, and he's like, no, I'm serious.

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And so we got quiet and you could hear footsteps

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moving around the tent, but I never poked my head

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out or anything. I just kind of sit around and listen,

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and then eventually they disappeared. But that place is, you know,

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that place gets a lot of activity, and there's a

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lot of sightings around that area. It's in the green swamp. Yeah,

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it gets a lot of activity. And so I think my...

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The guy that's the main guy in my Aguilar.

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Great guy.

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Yeah, he's I think one of his main sightings is

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kind of in that same location. And so like when

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I was talking to him about it, you know, he

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was telling me about the same thing. He's like, dude,

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he's like he described exactly where I was at. And

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he was talking about one of his one of his

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I can't remember. I think it was a sighting that

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he had had. uh, was in that same area. And, uh,

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but I'm still learning Florida and getting more involved in Florida.

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A lot of my stuff is, you know, I like

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to try to go all over the place and, and experience, uh,

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different places where, you know, they may or may not

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be just because they're always in beautiful locations, you know, not.

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Always, but that's true. And usually the elevation is, is

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a lot higher than Iowa. I've learned that. I'm like,

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I'm going to keep going to high elevation stuff.

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Well, like it's different, you know, like when, when you're

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used to, like I grew up in the Appalachians. So

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like I was always in the mountains and all of that. And, uh,

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you know, Florida's flat. I think I'm like it.

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That's true.

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Uh, it's hot, but it's flat. So like when you're

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used to doing stuff down here and then go back

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to Tennessee and stuff, it's a different, different, you know,

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you got to kind of get your stamina back up.

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No, absolutely. Um, so do you, do you spend a

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lot of time in the green swamp? Do you, have

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you gone back to there or not really since then?

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I have not been back to that spot since then.

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I have spent some time up in Citrus and Gotha. Uh,

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I'm going to get, yeah, I'm going to get back into, uh,

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into Citrus and Gothub. I need to get back into

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the green swamp. It's just, you know, even then it's

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such a drive. Like when Mike had first got with

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me about being part of the team, I was like, yeah, yeah.

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You know, anytime I'm up there, that's great. But you know,

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it's still like a four to five, six hour drive

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to get up there. And so it's like, I wish

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I could be up there all the time, but I'm,

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I'm a lot of the stuff that I've been taking, uh,

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I try to narrow it down to South of Orlando. Uh,

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but a lot of the stuff comes out of, you know,

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like for, for whatever reason, a lot of like Broward

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has been getting a lot of attention as far as

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flats lately. And, uh, some of them recent and then,

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And no offense to people putting these things out, but

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it's kind of hard to do anything with when somebody

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puts a new encounter out that happened in the early

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70s or, you know, because everything's already built up and

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built over.

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It's tricky, yeah.

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You can call and talk to them and it's like

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you can't really go out and investigate that spot.

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Right.

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And for listeners, when you say flats, you're talking about

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the BFRO database.

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So when someone... puts in a report and that's.

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The whole reason i wanted to get involved and be

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a bfr investigator because of the link flats because like

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say say there's 6 000 accounts on the bfro website

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that people can go in and look at there's like

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a hundred thousand that and investigators are still trying to

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go through and put out it's wild and it's growing

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and growing and that's insane and you just Yeah. And

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it just, you're never going to get through them all.

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And yeah, it kind of blew my mind. Uh, and then,

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you know, you got people on there that, you know,

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they specifically request moneymaker or Bobo and, and, uh, we'll

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only talk to them. And, you know, a lot of

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times they're not going to come out there and we

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just blame them. And, uh, but I'm, you know, the, the,

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I know you, you do the mapping stuff where, uh,

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with the stuff that you get, like you got a

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lot of knowledge in your own mapping that you've done.

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And so I look at those. I look at the

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Bigfoot mapping thing. I think Marie Mayer has got one.

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And I've listened to, I can't remember the name of it,

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but there's a few more that's set up kind of

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like the BFRO that you can get on that maybe

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somebody has went and posted their account to them instead

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of the BFRO.

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Right.

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Totally.

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There's NAWAC, GC, BRO.

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Oh, what's the other one? There's, there's a few of those. Oh, no, they're,

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they're like regional ones usually, but they, there are a

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few databases you can find.

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They're, Yeah.

450
00:27:37.200 --> 00:27:40.160
Yeah. And I, I try to find those and keep

451
00:27:40.240 --> 00:27:42.680
up with them just because, you know, the BFRO don't

452
00:27:42.740 --> 00:27:46.000
always have the best rap and people, sometimes people steer

453
00:27:46.039 --> 00:27:50.400
away from them. Sometimes people go to them, uh, you know,

454
00:27:50.700 --> 00:27:56.240
so I try to vary and, and look up different

455
00:27:56.279 --> 00:28:00.789
sources to try to, and, and honestly, Florida's a lot,

456
00:28:01.589 --> 00:28:03.849
Florida has a lot of stuff. And just since I've

457
00:28:03.869 --> 00:28:08.289
been doing, uh, the investigating stuff and had access to

458
00:28:08.349 --> 00:28:12.089
links or flats, uh, you know, the people that I've

459
00:28:12.109 --> 00:28:15.779
been in contact with and, and took cases, you know,

460
00:28:15.819 --> 00:28:18.039
like they've sent me and not all of them, but

461
00:28:18.579 --> 00:28:21.119
you know, some of them's paranoia and some of them like,

462
00:28:21.180 --> 00:28:24.079
but one of them, uh, one of the ones that

463
00:28:24.119 --> 00:28:27.619
comes to mind, it was in Ocala and they had,

464
00:28:27.880 --> 00:28:32.589
they were on a horse and was like 15 miles

465
00:28:32.670 --> 00:28:36.849
back on a horse trail and ran across a, Footprints

466
00:28:36.890 --> 00:28:39.910
that came out of the wood line walked about I

467
00:28:39.950 --> 00:28:44.609
think she she had maybe a video of probably 30

468
00:28:44.609 --> 00:28:53.980
steps and Look great Super good stride Off the top

469
00:28:54.160 --> 00:28:56.799
of my head I can't remember the the length of

470
00:28:56.819 --> 00:29:00.200
the feet but I may not if I'm remembering right

471
00:29:00.380 --> 00:29:02.339
they were probably 13 by 5 or 13 by 6

472
00:29:02.339 --> 00:29:10.339
and which, you know, again, you're in Florida. I try

473
00:29:10.359 --> 00:29:12.599
to walk around barefoot as much as I can, but

474
00:29:12.640 --> 00:29:16.279
when you're out down here, like, there's some people that,

475
00:29:16.680 --> 00:29:19.720
you know, do it, but not a lot of people

476
00:29:19.759 --> 00:29:24.710
walk around barefooted out here. It's hot. There's storms everywhere,

477
00:29:24.890 --> 00:29:25.150
you know.

478
00:29:25.789 --> 00:29:26.289
Snakes.

479
00:29:27.470 --> 00:29:31.109
Rattlesnakes are terrible. Cottonmouths, you know, there's just a lot

480
00:29:31.150 --> 00:29:37.349
of stuff. And so... I'm trying to get more involved

481
00:29:37.730 --> 00:29:45.160
with more South Florida but it's really hard I was

482
00:29:45.180 --> 00:29:51.259
supposed to go this weekend and look up a location

483
00:29:51.500 --> 00:29:55.539
that me and Richard had interviewed a guy on his

484
00:29:55.599 --> 00:30:00.299
podcast and it got cancelled yesterday and I'm really looking

485
00:30:00.319 --> 00:30:02.809
forward to that one. Cause that one's really, really interesting. Um,

486
00:30:03.240 --> 00:30:08.910
a guy was out, it was, and this guy never,

487
00:30:08.930 --> 00:30:13.410
he's an older gentleman. He's never, never was into the

488
00:30:13.450 --> 00:30:16.789
Sasquatch world. Didn't know anything about it. He had went

489
00:30:16.849 --> 00:30:21.430
to his son's property, uh, or their house for Thanksgiving.

490
00:30:22.579 --> 00:30:25.099
And he noticed some deer out in the yard. So

491
00:30:25.140 --> 00:30:29.609
he went outside to, uh, you know, get a better

492
00:30:29.650 --> 00:30:32.269
look at the deer. And as he was coming around

493
00:30:32.289 --> 00:30:36.230
the corner, he was watching the deer and he had

494
00:30:36.410 --> 00:30:40.720
turned to go back around. And when he turned, he

495
00:30:40.740 --> 00:30:43.000
was like, well, it wasn't face to face, maybe like

496
00:30:43.000 --> 00:30:48.220
30 yards away from a skunk ape. And it was like,

497
00:30:48.259 --> 00:30:53.150
this thing had almost was shocked that he ran in

498
00:30:53.690 --> 00:30:58.359
to the gentleman and kind of stopped and froze and

499
00:30:58.420 --> 00:31:01.460
had that, oh, I'm busted look. And he said that

500
00:31:01.539 --> 00:31:05.099
when he heard that, he immediately heard something in the

501
00:31:05.140 --> 00:31:07.920
sky and couldn't make out what it was at first.

502
00:31:08.019 --> 00:31:10.069
And when he was looking in the sky, he looked

503
00:31:10.250 --> 00:31:12.210
up and when he looked back, this thing was gone.

504
00:31:12.509 --> 00:31:18.190
But then this huge drone was flying over and following

505
00:31:18.289 --> 00:31:20.869
in the direction that the thing went. So it's like,

506
00:31:21.269 --> 00:31:25.059
and when he described the size of the drone, you know,

507
00:31:26.000 --> 00:31:30.539
I have an Autel. I know Miguel, he's got a

508
00:31:30.619 --> 00:31:34.000
newer one that's a really good size one. But for

509
00:31:34.039 --> 00:31:38.019
the most part, you know, a drone the size of

510
00:31:38.079 --> 00:31:40.559
the one that he described would have to be government.

511
00:31:41.500 --> 00:31:46.960
Or somebody really, really, really rich that spent bukus of

512
00:31:47.009 --> 00:31:52.009
money on one. Because they're not cheap anyway. But, I mean,

513
00:31:52.049 --> 00:31:54.690
he described this thing being three or four foot like this.

514
00:31:55.460 --> 00:31:57.529
wide in each direction. You know what I mean? So

515
00:31:57.569 --> 00:32:00.509
that's it. And I've only seen one really that size

516
00:32:00.569 --> 00:32:04.130
when I was up in Northern California and, uh, forest service,

517
00:32:04.630 --> 00:32:08.470
they were up on, it was on the go road.

518
00:32:08.549 --> 00:32:11.700
They were set up up there and was flying one around. And, uh,

519
00:32:13.259 --> 00:32:16.920
but for the simple fact that this thing was right above, uh,

520
00:32:17.779 --> 00:32:20.920
that as he encountered it and made me think that

521
00:32:20.940 --> 00:32:23.549
this thing was running, trying to get away from the

522
00:32:23.589 --> 00:32:27.349
drone and just happened to run into dude. And, uh,

523
00:32:28.230 --> 00:32:32.609
which is, you know, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's interesting.

524
00:32:32.990 --> 00:32:34.500
And so we was supposed to go out there and,

525
00:32:34.609 --> 00:32:38.670
and look at his spot and, and do some research. And, uh,

526
00:32:39.910 --> 00:32:43.089
we got to go ahead, I think Sunday or Monday,

527
00:32:43.529 --> 00:32:45.869
and then got canceled last night due to the rain

528
00:32:45.930 --> 00:32:46.349
and stuff.

529
00:32:46.789 --> 00:32:52.650
So, Hopefully I'll get that. Hopefully. That sounds incredible. My goodness.

530
00:32:54.369 --> 00:32:57.630
Another database came to mind. It's the... I.

531
00:33:00.329 --> 00:33:03.529
Think one starts with A. It's an older one, though.

532
00:33:04.029 --> 00:33:10.039
There's one, I thought, that starts with an A. It

533
00:33:10.170 --> 00:33:13.240
used to be one of the main ones back, I guess,

534
00:33:13.299 --> 00:33:16.279
around the same time the BFRO had started really doing

535
00:33:17.170 --> 00:33:20.829
And I can't remember the name of it, but it

536
00:33:21.490 --> 00:33:26.069
was another one that a lot of people go and

537
00:33:26.150 --> 00:33:31.220
post to. But I try to find these and look

538
00:33:31.299 --> 00:33:34.519
up because, like I said, everybody don't post on the BFRO. Yeah,

539
00:33:34.559 --> 00:33:38.940
it's the popular one. But, you know, and I'm sure

540
00:33:38.960 --> 00:33:42.849
people have posted on yours versus the BFRO, you know.

541
00:33:44.650 --> 00:33:46.230
The difference between mine is.

542
00:33:46.960 --> 00:33:51.200
Um, it's, I, I put, I'm the only one that

543
00:33:51.220 --> 00:33:54.220
can put on stuff on that map so that it's

544
00:33:54.359 --> 00:33:58.380
all from episodes, interviews I've done, et cetera. Uh, another

545
00:33:58.440 --> 00:34:01.799
trick I use for listeners might find this fun is

546
00:34:02.359 --> 00:34:04.200
if you know of a website and you go to

547
00:34:04.220 --> 00:34:06.490
the website and you're like, it doesn't exist anymore. Well,

548
00:34:07.049 --> 00:34:09.530
you go to the way back machine on archive.org. You

549
00:34:09.550 --> 00:34:13.250
can usually find those older Bigfoot websites and there's a

550
00:34:13.309 --> 00:34:16.349
lot of information on there and you can find, um,

551
00:34:17.280 --> 00:34:20.659
like saved copies of the website from like 10, 15

552
00:34:20.659 --> 00:34:21.019
years ago.

553
00:34:21.039 --> 00:34:21.719
So that's pretty cool.

554
00:34:22.460 --> 00:34:28.489
Um, I wanted to ask you, so before the question,

555
00:34:29.489 --> 00:34:32.730
but because I don't know if listeners, I've, I've been

556
00:34:32.769 --> 00:34:35.760
releasing stuff about Tennessee, but I haven't released it all together.

557
00:34:35.960 --> 00:34:39.460
And so I had a lot of weird stuff happen

558
00:34:39.500 --> 00:34:52.610
in Tennessee. I had, um, orbs voices, uh, actually voices

559
00:34:52.650 --> 00:34:56.929
in two separate areas. What is the weirdest thing that

560
00:34:56.949 --> 00:35:00.429
you've experienced that has to do with a Bigfoot expedition

561
00:35:00.469 --> 00:35:01.050
in Tennessee?

562
00:35:05.210 --> 00:35:16.420
Tennessee's great, man. So the first there's a couple of them.

563
00:35:16.559 --> 00:35:18.980
The most crazy one was the one that happened this

564
00:35:19.059 --> 00:35:27.239
past spring, uh, in April. And so I'll share that

565
00:35:27.340 --> 00:35:32.670
one last because that one's the, the, the most blind

566
00:35:34.070 --> 00:35:39.989
mind blowing thing that I've had. Uh, so I think

567
00:35:40.030 --> 00:35:42.969
me and you, it's in the same spot we've talked about, uh,

568
00:35:45.170 --> 00:35:50.449
I've heard the voices. I've heard it sounded, and I

569
00:35:50.489 --> 00:35:52.429
don't know if they're the same, but the ones that

570
00:35:52.489 --> 00:35:58.550
I heard sounded like two females.

571
00:35:58.949 --> 00:35:59.340
Same.

572
00:36:00.110 --> 00:36:04.079
Yeah, two females chit-chatting. And like close enough to where

573
00:36:04.099 --> 00:36:06.039
you could hear it, but not, it was like muffled.

574
00:36:06.139 --> 00:36:08.780
So you couldn't make out what was being said, but

575
00:36:08.820 --> 00:36:12.940
it sounded like if, you know, maybe somebody, and I

576
00:36:13.000 --> 00:36:16.949
know there wasn't a trail there, But it would remind

577
00:36:16.989 --> 00:36:18.929
you of like if you were sitting at a campground

578
00:36:18.969 --> 00:36:25.230
and everything was quiet and you heard two women chatting

579
00:36:25.269 --> 00:36:29.179
and giggling, walking down a trail or something. And that's

580
00:36:29.280 --> 00:36:33.500
what it would remind you of. And that was odd.

581
00:36:38.320 --> 00:36:44.920
The same place where. the, the old graveyard with the TP, uh,

582
00:36:45.360 --> 00:36:50.559
the A-frame tombs. Um, we were kind of around that

583
00:36:50.679 --> 00:36:56.559
area when, when we heard that. Uh, and then what

584
00:36:56.599 --> 00:36:57.380
was another one?

585
00:36:57.940 --> 00:37:01.659
Where you, sorry, where you heard female voices was that area. Okay.

586
00:37:01.880 --> 00:37:02.639
That makes sense.

587
00:37:03.449 --> 00:37:08.809
And I got it on audio. We were sitting there and, uh,

588
00:37:14.079 --> 00:37:16.599
obviously there's a road that goes up to it, but

589
00:37:16.699 --> 00:37:22.099
we were the only ones on that road and, uh,

590
00:37:23.340 --> 00:37:28.340
sitting in the dark and almost like if somebody had

591
00:37:28.380 --> 00:37:33.719
like an old muffler on a car and it sounded

592
00:37:33.760 --> 00:37:37.179
like if you just sit there with your eyes shut

593
00:37:37.409 --> 00:37:39.969
and take away the gravel, it would sound like a

594
00:37:40.010 --> 00:37:45.340
car was driving by us. Uh, And the muffling is

595
00:37:45.420 --> 00:37:50.179
so loud that we're literally starting to look around. And

596
00:37:50.219 --> 00:37:53.039
it's not just me. It's the group look around for

597
00:37:53.059 --> 00:37:58.840
a vehicle coming from a different direction, maybe coming up

598
00:37:58.880 --> 00:38:01.469
the trail that we was on or whatever. But like,

599
00:38:01.820 --> 00:38:04.670
and it's plain as day on the audio. Like it

600
00:38:04.710 --> 00:38:09.489
sounds like car it's it's muffling. And none of us

601
00:38:09.530 --> 00:38:14.800
can explain what that was. Uh, I don't know how

602
00:38:14.840 --> 00:38:17.619
much you got to explore around that area, but there's

603
00:38:17.679 --> 00:38:20.199
a pond in that area, a pretty good sized pond.

604
00:38:22.019 --> 00:38:28.429
So we were told not to go in the direction.

605
00:38:28.510 --> 00:38:31.789
So like if you're facing the pond, the pond goes

606
00:38:31.869 --> 00:38:36.789
back and we were told not to go back in

607
00:38:36.829 --> 00:38:39.409
that area. Cause you're going into the forest area or

608
00:38:39.670 --> 00:38:41.789
I guess it's not, I guess you're going into state

609
00:38:41.809 --> 00:38:44.329
property or state forest or, or something.

610
00:38:44.349 --> 00:38:45.050
Right.

611
00:38:46.070 --> 00:38:51.250
And, uh, three of us, it was raining one night

612
00:38:51.269 --> 00:38:52.889
and we was like, everybody was kind of staying in.

613
00:38:52.929 --> 00:38:56.289
So we, we took off and went that way. And, uh,

614
00:38:58.070 --> 00:39:01.889
when we got there, there's a lot of, uh, game trails,

615
00:39:01.909 --> 00:39:04.630
a lot of like where beavers slide down and stuff

616
00:39:04.650 --> 00:39:09.360
like that. But, we, earlier that day, we were hiking

617
00:39:09.900 --> 00:39:14.110
up through there, and we were just kind of scoping

618
00:39:14.119 --> 00:39:16.190
the area out, and we was like, man, you know, like,

619
00:39:18.030 --> 00:39:21.570
there was a big, big rock back there, and we

620
00:39:21.590 --> 00:39:24.530
were like, man, you know, if that would be the

621
00:39:24.590 --> 00:39:26.849
place to go, it was just all the feeling that

622
00:39:26.889 --> 00:39:30.300
we got, so when we went back that night, as

623
00:39:30.360 --> 00:39:32.099
soon as we got over there, the first thing we

624
00:39:32.119 --> 00:39:38.539
got was two knocks. Very, very distinct. And then as

625
00:39:38.599 --> 00:39:42.309
we started making our way through there, something had threw

626
00:39:42.349 --> 00:39:46.409
a rock. out to like the middle of that pond where,

627
00:39:46.570 --> 00:39:48.710
and it had to be a good size rock because

628
00:39:48.909 --> 00:39:52.590
you hear the, you know, like a loud, and then

629
00:39:52.639 --> 00:39:56.159
you see the ripples and all that stuff. And so we,

630
00:39:56.239 --> 00:40:00.340
you know, at first it was like, it couldn't have

631
00:40:00.380 --> 00:40:04.480
been anything other than a rock. You know, it was

632
00:40:04.500 --> 00:40:06.420
too far out in the pond. It was too deep.

633
00:40:06.440 --> 00:40:10.440
The splash was too big. And the more we got

634
00:40:10.480 --> 00:40:16.059
going back through there, the, the knocks intensified and, uh,

635
00:40:17.900 --> 00:40:22.510
I made a how and immediately it kind of freaked

636
00:40:22.550 --> 00:40:25.989
me out to be honest, because no sooner than I

637
00:40:26.050 --> 00:40:31.329
stopped my how coyote started, I mean, in like a

638
00:40:31.449 --> 00:40:35.460
second and they, they were right up right there next

639
00:40:35.480 --> 00:40:39.260
to us. And, uh, But we had a lot of

640
00:40:39.920 --> 00:40:46.199
hows and knocks and things. And on that one, we

641
00:40:46.239 --> 00:40:52.489
heard the voices. And that place where I told you

642
00:40:52.530 --> 00:40:57.840
I found, I think we was talking backstage on it.

643
00:40:58.929 --> 00:41:02.170
We had ran across. So one of my buddies that

644
00:41:02.210 --> 00:41:06.960
I was there with, he's from Georgia and he's former Marine.

645
00:41:07.400 --> 00:41:11.159
And we have made a thing about, you know, how

646
00:41:13.260 --> 00:41:16.199
much people don't pay attention in the woods, you know,

647
00:41:16.219 --> 00:41:18.340
because they're always either looking at their feet where they're

648
00:41:18.380 --> 00:41:22.719
going and stuff like that. And earlier that day, we

649
00:41:22.760 --> 00:41:26.710
was hiking and we veered off and stood out in

650
00:41:26.730 --> 00:41:29.909
the middle of this field about, I don't know, maybe

651
00:41:29.909 --> 00:41:33.150
30 yards off the trail and was like, look, if

652
00:41:33.210 --> 00:41:39.519
we don't move or make any uh, big movements, wonder

653
00:41:39.559 --> 00:41:42.289
how many of these people will actually see us, you know, and,

654
00:41:42.480 --> 00:41:47.650
and none of them did. And so we were just

655
00:41:47.690 --> 00:41:56.650
taking a lot of stuff and, and, uh, I guess

656
00:41:56.769 --> 00:42:01.559
he had been there before and we, me and him

657
00:42:01.599 --> 00:42:04.460
decided we would start going off and doing our own

658
00:42:04.500 --> 00:42:07.199
day hikes. And cause we was a lot of similar

659
00:42:07.260 --> 00:42:13.130
mind and stuff like that. And the place where, uh,

660
00:42:14.250 --> 00:42:16.449
we went up on this, we went up on this

661
00:42:16.550 --> 00:42:19.289
road and he is, he had said that he had

662
00:42:19.389 --> 00:42:23.389
brought his wife out there once before and she wasn't

663
00:42:23.489 --> 00:42:25.519
super into it. So she was sitting on the top

664
00:42:25.559 --> 00:42:28.719
of the hill and something was throwing rocks up the

665
00:42:28.760 --> 00:42:32.119
hill because it would hit. and then bounce up the hill.

666
00:42:32.800 --> 00:42:35.409
And so he wanted to take me up there and

667
00:42:35.469 --> 00:42:37.750
show me this spot. So we get up there and

668
00:42:37.769 --> 00:42:42.130
this big field opens up. And by the time I

669
00:42:42.230 --> 00:42:44.969
spotted it and told him, he done stepped in it.

670
00:42:45.090 --> 00:42:49.210
But there was a huge pile of poo in the

671
00:42:49.230 --> 00:42:54.550
middle of this trail that was very human-like. There was

672
00:42:54.659 --> 00:43:00.030
no wipes or paper or anything like that to... So

673
00:43:00.070 --> 00:43:04.929
whoever did it, if it was a human, uh, probably

674
00:43:04.989 --> 00:43:09.039
needed to come back and take a share, but, but

675
00:43:10.840 --> 00:43:18.389
it had, uh, foods that human would eat in it.

676
00:43:18.880 --> 00:43:20.699
You know what I mean? Uh, and I'm not trying

677
00:43:20.719 --> 00:43:24.900
to be very detailed or whatever it goes, but you know,

678
00:43:25.239 --> 00:43:28.570
it had corn and things that humans would eat versus

679
00:43:28.710 --> 00:43:29.809
what animals.

680
00:43:29.489 --> 00:43:32.170
Would Right, no bones or things like that.

681
00:43:32.190 --> 00:43:33.329
No bones. Yeah.

682
00:43:33.429 --> 00:43:33.630
Right.

683
00:43:34.090 --> 00:43:39.429
And so we was like, man, you know, like, would

684
00:43:39.510 --> 00:43:43.409
somebody have done that? It was just an odd spot,

685
00:43:43.510 --> 00:43:46.889
you know, like it wasn't one that looked like somebody

686
00:43:46.909 --> 00:43:52.090
was in a hurry. And it's right in the middle

687
00:43:52.110 --> 00:43:56.340
of a trail. And as we pass that up and

688
00:43:56.360 --> 00:43:59.119
we get going through there and we found a stump.

689
00:43:59.610 --> 00:44:03.519
where somebody had put peanut butter and apples out, but

690
00:44:03.679 --> 00:44:08.280
they had a jar of peanut butter, and then we

691
00:44:08.320 --> 00:44:10.980
started looking around and found a trail camera. So somebody

692
00:44:11.019 --> 00:44:16.829
had been in that area, obviously looking for the same thing,

693
00:44:16.849 --> 00:44:21.230
and somebody in the group later on said that they

694
00:44:21.250 --> 00:44:24.690
had had a sighting up there. Whether it's true or not,

695
00:44:24.769 --> 00:44:27.130
I'm not sure, but they said that they'd seen a

696
00:44:27.449 --> 00:44:31.369
brown one back there, in that same area that was

697
00:44:31.429 --> 00:44:35.510
like swaying and almost like it was like they knew

698
00:44:35.550 --> 00:44:40.250
that person was there and was agitated that they was

699
00:44:40.269 --> 00:44:42.010
there but kind of waiting for them to leave to

700
00:44:42.050 --> 00:44:46.789
come back and so that was kind of like that

701
00:44:46.829 --> 00:44:49.030
was all on the very first one that I went

702
00:44:49.070 --> 00:44:55.250
to uh so I'd always wanted to get back to

703
00:44:55.469 --> 00:44:59.329
Tennessee I'd went to South Carolina and Kentucky and places

704
00:44:59.409 --> 00:45:02.170
and So my very next one that I went back

705
00:45:02.210 --> 00:45:06.730
to Tennessee on, I spent, uh, eight days cause they

706
00:45:06.769 --> 00:45:12.039
done back to back ones. And the first, the first

707
00:45:12.099 --> 00:45:15.900
three or four days was very quiet. Nothing was going on. Uh,

708
00:45:16.480 --> 00:45:19.699
but then the last half of it really, really popped off.

709
00:45:20.079 --> 00:45:29.210
And we was, uh, we was at this section and

710
00:45:29.250 --> 00:45:35.489
this is in a different location in Tennessee. Uh, we

711
00:45:35.510 --> 00:45:39.929
were in a different spot and we hiked up this

712
00:45:39.989 --> 00:45:43.070
trail and it was four of us. And we were,

713
00:45:43.190 --> 00:45:47.260
what we done from the first time I went to Tennessee,

714
00:45:47.449 --> 00:45:54.119
they gave us a list from, uh, thank Mary, Mary

715
00:45:54.179 --> 00:45:57.119
green or Carter, the 50 years of Bigfoot lady.

716
00:45:57.769 --> 00:46:01.630
Oh, I can't remember who. It's either Janice Carter or

717
00:46:01.670 --> 00:46:02.170
Mary Green.

718
00:46:02.869 --> 00:46:05.829
Well, I think Janice, but I think we got them

719
00:46:05.889 --> 00:46:09.110
from Mary. Okay. And she had printed out a list

720
00:46:09.949 --> 00:46:15.550
of Cherokee. Oh, sure. And I can't pronounce all of it, but,

721
00:46:15.800 --> 00:46:18.539
you know, we got to where anytime we would go

722
00:46:18.599 --> 00:46:22.360
into these places, we would speak the Cherokee and say, like,

723
00:46:22.460 --> 00:46:28.860
basically say, like, hey, we're friends. come visit us, stuff

724
00:46:28.889 --> 00:46:31.940
like that. But we would say it in Cherokee. And

725
00:46:32.199 --> 00:46:40.610
so this particular time, we had done a leapfrog. So

726
00:46:41.199 --> 00:46:44.949
two of us would stay here, send two up. We

727
00:46:44.969 --> 00:46:47.030
would call back and forth to each other. Once they

728
00:46:47.090 --> 00:46:49.230
got positioned and said a while, then we would come

729
00:46:49.269 --> 00:46:52.550
past them and then so on and so forth. And

730
00:46:53.659 --> 00:46:57.780
so we had spent a few hours up there And

731
00:46:58.320 --> 00:47:02.110
nothing was happening. And we were fixing to leave and

732
00:47:02.130 --> 00:47:06.110
go back. And then all of a sudden, off in

733
00:47:06.130 --> 00:47:10.989
the distance, maybe 75 yards, 100 yards, we started seeing,

734
00:47:11.010 --> 00:47:17.219
at first we thought maybe somebody, because two other people

735
00:47:17.260 --> 00:47:20.420
were supposed to have been in that same spot but

736
00:47:20.500 --> 00:47:24.099
on a different trail. And that was thunder.

737
00:47:24.960 --> 00:47:27.340
Oh, okay. I was trying to figure, yeah, gotcha.

738
00:47:27.900 --> 00:47:34.519
And so when we got to this spot, we didn't

739
00:47:34.559 --> 00:47:38.289
see their vehicle. So we thought maybe they wasn't there

740
00:47:38.650 --> 00:47:42.570
or went to a different spot. So when we started

741
00:47:42.610 --> 00:47:46.570
seeing these lights coming in, we thought, okay, well, maybe

742
00:47:46.610 --> 00:47:50.539
that's them coming. And then we pulled up on the

743
00:47:50.599 --> 00:47:54.409
map that the direction that they were coming, there's no trails,

744
00:47:54.469 --> 00:47:57.969
there's nothing out in that area, it's just mountains and woods.

745
00:47:58.829 --> 00:48:06.289
And so in the direction that we're facing towards the lights,

746
00:48:06.789 --> 00:48:10.929
it goes downhill about, I don't know, 50 yards and

747
00:48:10.949 --> 00:48:14.630
then shoots back up. And so as a crow would fly,

748
00:48:15.750 --> 00:48:20.820
you know, 75 yards maybe, hundred yards but you know

749
00:48:20.860 --> 00:48:24.010
if you walked it it's a lot farther but so

750
00:48:24.030 --> 00:48:30.050
we're sitting here watching this and it was two sets

751
00:48:30.110 --> 00:48:32.840
of eyes they was at one point we had counted

752
00:48:33.030 --> 00:48:36.119
nine sets of eyes but for the most part it

753
00:48:36.179 --> 00:48:41.880
was usually about four between three and four and we

754
00:48:41.900 --> 00:48:46.090
were sitting in complete dark these were illuminating eyes and

755
00:48:46.110 --> 00:48:49.449
I hadn't Never in my life seen nothing like that.

756
00:48:49.869 --> 00:48:56.070
And we started hollering out to it and we were

757
00:48:56.110 --> 00:49:02.420
singing and, you know, being goofy and singing. And the

758
00:49:02.579 --> 00:49:05.500
eyes would change. The colors would change. So it would

759
00:49:05.539 --> 00:49:11.739
go from anywhere from amber to blue to bluish white

760
00:49:12.159 --> 00:49:18.940
to red. And we couldn't figure out why or what,

761
00:49:19.159 --> 00:49:23.570
but anytime. you try and anytime you took a picture

762
00:49:25.789 --> 00:49:30.510
and uh really try so from my camera my camera

763
00:49:30.530 --> 00:49:33.699
don't zoom in the way some like Richard Fabry has

764
00:49:33.909 --> 00:49:38.099
a uh sam uh android samsung i don't know what

765
00:49:38.139 --> 00:49:41.889
it's called but dude mind-blowing the camera on this thing.

766
00:49:42.010 --> 00:49:42.760
Oh, yeah, definitely.

767
00:49:43.760 --> 00:49:47.800
Mine don't do that. So the only way I could

768
00:49:47.820 --> 00:49:51.719
bring them up was to hook my adapter into an

769
00:49:51.900 --> 00:49:54.099
HDMI cable and then hook it up to a TV

770
00:49:54.119 --> 00:49:58.480
to try to blow it up. And doing that, when

771
00:49:58.500 --> 00:50:00.400
you zoom in on it and try to take a picture,

772
00:50:00.639 --> 00:50:05.960
they kind of look like orbs. But with the naked eye,

773
00:50:06.590 --> 00:50:09.360
you could totally tell that they was two sets of eyes,

774
00:50:09.440 --> 00:50:11.679
and in certain movements and stuff, you could see that

775
00:50:11.699 --> 00:50:13.820
they're two sets of eyes, but I don't know if,

776
00:50:14.940 --> 00:50:17.739
they were so bright at times, you could see the

777
00:50:17.820 --> 00:50:22.099
lights breaking through the trees, and there was a guy

778
00:50:22.139 --> 00:50:30.500
with this, Matt Donahue, he was goofing off, and he's like, oh,

779
00:50:30.519 --> 00:50:33.789
I'm so happy, you know, he's like, I'm so happy

780
00:50:33.829 --> 00:50:36.030
that you're doing this. He's like, I'm going to bring

781
00:50:36.070 --> 00:50:38.809
you some, some gifts. I'm going to bring you liquor

782
00:50:38.889 --> 00:50:42.389
and all this stuff. And when he said that every

783
00:50:42.679 --> 00:50:43.920
set turned red.

784
00:50:44.800 --> 00:50:45.179
Whoa.

785
00:50:46.059 --> 00:50:46.659
Yeah.

786
00:50:46.860 --> 00:50:51.360
And then we all knew and seen it and we

787
00:50:51.400 --> 00:50:54.119
were all like, Oh, they didn't like it. You know? And,

788
00:50:54.300 --> 00:50:59.300
and immediately he started saying, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. You know, I'm,

789
00:50:59.650 --> 00:51:03.670
I'm just kidding. I'm going to bring you cookies and

790
00:51:04.010 --> 00:51:07.550
tangerines and bananas. And when he said that, they all

791
00:51:07.610 --> 00:51:14.420
changed from red to like a bluish and then into amber, greenish.

792
00:51:14.539 --> 00:51:19.420
But it was wild. And they interacted with us for two,

793
00:51:19.480 --> 00:51:23.940
two and a half, three hours. And I don't think

794
00:51:24.000 --> 00:51:28.320
that they would have stopped except for people was getting

795
00:51:28.360 --> 00:51:33.219
tired and wanted to leave and so we sent two

796
00:51:34.139 --> 00:51:37.570
down the trail back towards the vehicles which was like

797
00:51:37.610 --> 00:51:42.130
a couple miles away and again I think maybe one

798
00:51:42.170 --> 00:51:44.250
of them had one of their red lights on that

799
00:51:44.289 --> 00:51:47.710
was pointing towards the ground but me and the other

800
00:51:47.760 --> 00:51:53.679
guy Tony I can't remember he's got like an Italian

801
00:51:53.719 --> 00:51:57.059
last name they call him Papa Squatch but he's I

802
00:51:57.159 --> 00:52:02.360
think he tony something uh big stocky guy big beard

803
00:52:02.860 --> 00:52:05.619
prior military me and him stayed back while the other

804
00:52:05.659 --> 00:52:09.159
two was going back down the trail and we visibly

805
00:52:09.269 --> 00:52:13.070
watched two sets of eyes paste them back down the

806
00:52:13.110 --> 00:52:17.389
trail so goodness as the other groups were sitting here

807
00:52:17.510 --> 00:52:20.809
where we were these two varied off and started going

808
00:52:20.849 --> 00:52:23.320
down the mountain as they started going down the mountain

809
00:52:23.739 --> 00:52:26.840
two sets broke off from them and paste them and

810
00:52:26.880 --> 00:52:30.900
was walking out with them And when we got down there,

811
00:52:30.960 --> 00:52:33.599
we asked them, you know, did you hear anything? Blah, blah, blah, blah.

812
00:52:33.619 --> 00:52:36.519
And they said they heard some, you know, like something

813
00:52:36.579 --> 00:52:40.699
walking on something like tree breaks. Not like a snap,

814
00:52:40.760 --> 00:52:42.599
like a big limb, but like, you know, if you

815
00:52:42.639 --> 00:52:45.820
walked across something and snapped a log, they heard that.

816
00:52:45.940 --> 00:52:48.539
And we sat in the vehicles for a while and

817
00:52:49.400 --> 00:52:53.780
waited to see if anything might pop out and never did. So...

818
00:52:54.289 --> 00:52:57.159
The next day, we went back up there and checked

819
00:52:57.239 --> 00:52:59.900
out the spot and got a better visual of what

820
00:52:59.940 --> 00:53:03.219
it was. And so instead of going out at the

821
00:53:03.280 --> 00:53:08.909
same time, we flip-flopped it to where, say, we would

822
00:53:08.969 --> 00:53:12.829
leave at like 8 in the evening and then stay

823
00:53:12.889 --> 00:53:17.190
till 2, 3 o'clock in the morning. We left at

824
00:53:17.190 --> 00:53:20.320
1 in the morning and stayed till like 7 in

825
00:53:20.360 --> 00:53:22.599
the morning, 8 in the morning. to see if anything,

826
00:53:22.659 --> 00:53:26.780
and nothing happened. They put nothing there. It was dead, quiet,

827
00:53:26.860 --> 00:53:31.469
no lights, nothing. But a group in a different spot

828
00:53:32.110 --> 00:53:36.510
had kind of the same thing we had. And then

829
00:53:36.809 --> 00:53:40.550
the following night after that, another group had something. And

830
00:53:40.789 --> 00:53:45.530
so what it looked like to us was they were

831
00:53:45.590 --> 00:53:48.989
traveling farther and farther east each night. I don't know

832
00:53:49.070 --> 00:53:52.110
if they stayed on that mountain and was just traveling

833
00:53:52.289 --> 00:53:57.369
or if they was just traveling because. But the following night,

834
00:54:00.289 --> 00:54:05.449
Laurie Wade and a buddy of mine, Michael Hink, he's

835
00:54:05.469 --> 00:54:10.699
an older guy that had just got a thermal and

836
00:54:12.000 --> 00:54:15.360
never really hadn't played with it enough to really get

837
00:54:15.380 --> 00:54:18.719
the buttons and stuff like that going. But they pulled

838
00:54:18.780 --> 00:54:23.429
up on a spot and where they see these two

839
00:54:23.489 --> 00:54:27.190
big sets of red eyes, and one is taller than the.

840
00:54:27.170 --> 00:54:32.380
Other, and they see a hog and a deer, and

841
00:54:32.420 --> 00:54:35.219
then they see the red eyes, and Lori jumps out

842
00:54:35.260 --> 00:54:38.139
of the truck and takes off running.

843
00:54:37.880 --> 00:54:43.199
Towards the two red eyes. He jumps out behind her.

844
00:54:44.139 --> 00:54:47.090
He's trying to take a video. He ends up snapping

845
00:54:47.360 --> 00:54:53.769
a picture, and picture that we got from it you

846
00:54:53.829 --> 00:55:00.570
totally see and they're they're plain as day uh and

847
00:55:00.630 --> 00:55:05.239
it's exactly kind of what they explained there's one taller

848
00:55:05.280 --> 00:55:08.119
than the other one but one is looks like it's

849
00:55:08.179 --> 00:55:12.179
kind of turned sideways like this okay the other one

850
00:55:12.239 --> 00:55:15.869
is either facing or it's got its back toward him,

851
00:55:15.889 --> 00:55:18.949
but you see the whole body silhouette. You see the head,

852
00:55:19.230 --> 00:55:21.530
you see the arms, you see the body, you see

853
00:55:21.550 --> 00:55:21.769
the leg.

854
00:55:21.789 --> 00:55:22.289
Oh, no way.

855
00:55:23.230 --> 00:55:30.449
Everything stands out in the thermal. And, uh, so, Lori,

856
00:55:30.489 --> 00:55:33.949
we always mess with her because she gets zapped. And, uh,

857
00:55:35.110 --> 00:55:37.309
she got zapped on this one and, you know, she's

858
00:55:37.369 --> 00:55:42.480
cussing them out and, uh, asking why they've done that, you.

859
00:55:42.380 --> 00:55:44.820
Know, and, uh, Yeah, well, you know.

860
00:55:45.300 --> 00:55:49.599
Yeah, well, so they had heard something on the other

861
00:55:49.659 --> 00:55:58.110
side of where the juveniles were. And the picture that

862
00:55:58.130 --> 00:56:03.429
the guy took, it's hard to make out. But based

863
00:56:03.530 --> 00:56:06.760
off the story and the situation, what it sounds like

864
00:56:06.840 --> 00:56:12.039
is they ran into an adult teaching the juveniles how

865
00:56:12.079 --> 00:56:16.769
to hunt. And when she jumped out and was taken

866
00:56:16.869 --> 00:56:21.489
off towards the juveniles, the adult must have said, that's

867
00:56:21.510 --> 00:56:25.369
too close, zap. She gets zapped a lot. And I've never,

868
00:56:26.289 --> 00:56:28.289
I don't know if I've experienced it or not. I

869
00:56:28.329 --> 00:56:30.300
know there was a few people that I know for

870
00:56:30.340 --> 00:56:34.480
a fact that they wouldn't make nothing like that up.

871
00:56:34.739 --> 00:56:37.519
I've been, one of the guys' name's Butch, and he's

872
00:56:37.539 --> 00:56:42.000
from Texas. Great dude. Straightforward. Me and him get along

873
00:56:42.039 --> 00:56:46.000
really good, but You know, if he says something, take

874
00:56:46.039 --> 00:56:48.360
it to the bank. He's not going to fabricate anything.

875
00:56:48.719 --> 00:56:54.360
And that following night, he got what he considered zap

876
00:56:54.420 --> 00:56:57.880
because something happened. It spooked him. He wanted to get

877
00:56:58.000 --> 00:57:01.099
out of there. He was disorientated to the point where

878
00:57:01.639 --> 00:57:06.469
he was even driving the vehicles and he didn't know

879
00:57:06.510 --> 00:57:09.150
where he was, was lost, didn't know how to get

880
00:57:09.210 --> 00:57:12.989
back to the camp, anything. And he's never been like that.

881
00:57:13.489 --> 00:57:14.110
That's wild.

882
00:57:15.329 --> 00:57:20.510
So, uh, that one was pretty, you know, that whole

883
00:57:20.550 --> 00:57:25.429
experience was pretty, pretty, pretty wild because, you know, I've

884
00:57:25.469 --> 00:57:32.019
heard people say, talk about illuminating eyes and I've never experienced,

885
00:57:32.059 --> 00:57:35.099
I've seen eyes shine, but I've never, we were sitting

886
00:57:35.139 --> 00:57:38.019
in total dark. Nobody was shining lights or nothing. And, uh,

887
00:57:38.920 --> 00:57:42.559
for that to happen, you know, was, was pretty cool. But,

888
00:57:46.469 --> 00:57:51.769
Tennessee in itself is unique. Yes. And Kentucky, same way.

889
00:57:51.869 --> 00:57:56.630
That whole area is wild. And I don't think it–

890
00:57:57.170 --> 00:58:02.199
I don't think it– I mean, obviously, you know, it

891
00:58:02.239 --> 00:58:04.159
gets a lot of attention, but I don't think that

892
00:58:04.739 --> 00:58:10.139
people realize how much is in that area that, you know,

893
00:58:10.199 --> 00:58:14.099
because you go like that same spot, we– left and

894
00:58:14.139 --> 00:58:16.539
would go get something to eat and we could drive

895
00:58:16.599 --> 00:58:18.539
by and look over in that area and be like,

896
00:58:18.559 --> 00:58:21.079
that's where all that stuff happened. And then you may

897
00:58:21.119 --> 00:58:22.949
go talk to people and they have no clue.

898
00:58:23.800 --> 00:58:24.320
No clue.

899
00:58:24.829 --> 00:58:26.090
In that area. Yep.

900
00:58:26.530 --> 00:58:28.449
Absolutely. It's wild.

901
00:58:29.530 --> 00:58:33.530
And we found, we actually got, where the juveniles were,

902
00:58:34.570 --> 00:58:38.309
we actually got footprints from there and that same spot

903
00:58:38.769 --> 00:58:41.829
that night that it happened and casted them and I

904
00:58:41.849 --> 00:58:46.719
think they were If I, if my memory's right, it

905
00:58:46.780 --> 00:58:58.860
was 14, 14 or 15 by seven. But, uh, yeah, uh, Tennessee,

906
00:58:59.079 --> 00:59:02.599
Tennessee is pretty wild. And, you know, I had an

907
00:59:02.639 --> 00:59:07.869
encounter in Kentucky that is like an hour from where

908
00:59:07.889 --> 00:59:12.989
the spot is in Tennessee. And it's a very known

909
00:59:13.050 --> 00:59:17.019
hot spot. And so it kind of made me wonder

910
00:59:17.079 --> 00:59:20.460
if they travel back and forth because, you know, why

911
00:59:20.500 --> 00:59:24.960
wouldn't they? But both spots are known for really well

912
00:59:25.079 --> 00:59:30.849
hot spots. And, yeah. I'm getting to go back to

913
00:59:30.889 --> 00:59:35.309
Kentucky the 1st of October, and I'm excited about that,

914
00:59:35.389 --> 00:59:37.250
and I'm probably going to try to swing by in

915
00:59:37.329 --> 00:59:38.969
Tennessee and spend some time.

916
00:59:40.269 --> 00:59:40.869
Oh, nice.

917
00:59:40.989 --> 00:59:44.309
It's just, after experiencing Tennessee for myself, I.

918
00:59:44.329 --> 00:59:47.460
I was happy when you found me.

919
00:59:47.980 --> 00:59:49.179
Yeah, it was awesome.

920
00:59:49.360 --> 00:59:52.500
But you hear all these really intense stories from Tennessee

921
00:59:52.539 --> 00:59:55.539
and weird stuff, and it's like, yeah, I could totally

922
00:59:55.579 --> 00:59:58.860
see how all of that is absolutely happening after what

923
00:59:58.880 --> 01:00:04.929
I experienced. Um, you had, you've taken a trip to

924
01:00:04.989 --> 01:00:11.670
British Columbia and, um, I would be really curious to

925
01:00:11.710 --> 01:00:14.190
have a, uh, I'd love to have a conversation about

926
01:00:14.230 --> 01:00:16.369
that if that is something you can do.

927
01:00:16.989 --> 01:00:20.880
Yeah. Yeah. Uh, you know, the guy's name gets a

928
01:00:20.900 --> 01:00:24.659
lot of controversy and most people that I've seen, you know,

929
01:00:25.059 --> 01:00:28.619
turn me off when, uh, I even mentioned his name,

930
01:00:28.699 --> 01:00:33.340
but you know, I went up there with Todd to, uh,

931
01:00:34.789 --> 01:00:39.650
just to see for myself and me personally, I think

932
01:00:39.690 --> 01:00:42.510
Todd's a good dude. Now, whether people believe what he

933
01:00:43.090 --> 01:00:45.840
put out there or not is besides the point. Uh,

934
01:00:48.019 --> 01:00:53.340
Todd as a person is a very down to earth person. Uh,

935
01:00:55.360 --> 01:00:59.929
you know, he don't, He don't live fancy. Like, he's very, like,

936
01:01:00.230 --> 01:01:04.409
not what you would think. And, you know, I think

937
01:01:04.449 --> 01:01:07.579
people get this thing in their mind that, you know,

938
01:01:07.619 --> 01:01:10.340
he faked all this stuff and now he's made money

939
01:01:10.420 --> 01:01:15.099
off of it and all that. Like, to me, that

940
01:01:15.139 --> 01:01:20.409
wasn't experience that I got from it. But British Columbia

941
01:01:20.449 --> 01:01:25.639
in itself was so beautiful and so mind-blowing that that

942
01:01:25.739 --> 01:01:29.360
just driving through it was like, almost brought me to

943
01:01:29.420 --> 01:01:34.440
tears because it was just such a remote place that,

944
01:01:36.480 --> 01:01:41.590
and then you put on top of all the stories

945
01:01:41.670 --> 01:01:44.929
and stuff that you hear from that place, it would

946
01:01:44.949 --> 01:01:49.829
be so easy for them to be there. And now,

947
01:01:50.969 --> 01:01:57.730
when we got to his campsite, Uh, we, we immediately

948
01:01:57.789 --> 01:02:00.070
had a black bear and a grizzly walk through the camp.

949
01:02:00.690 --> 01:02:01.469
Oh my goodness.

950
01:02:01.909 --> 01:02:09.320
I mean, like instantly. And I think for me, you know, again,

951
01:02:11.579 --> 01:02:16.539
regardless of what people think about him, uh, he never

952
01:02:16.559 --> 01:02:19.460
wants to try to hoax us. We, me and this

953
01:02:19.539 --> 01:02:23.320
other guy, there was four of us. He was a

954
01:02:23.380 --> 01:02:27.949
guy from Northern California. He's a former Marine. And then

955
01:02:28.010 --> 01:02:32.840
there was a guy from Texas. He was a prior

956
01:02:32.880 --> 01:02:41.039
police officer. His name's Oscar. But we went there. So

957
01:02:41.079 --> 01:02:48.940
he has three campers in his little camp area. One

958
01:02:49.000 --> 01:02:53.389
is mainly for eating. and the other two like me

959
01:02:53.449 --> 01:02:55.630
and the one Marine stayed in one and him and

960
01:02:55.650 --> 01:02:59.469
the other guy stayed in the other one and I

961
01:02:59.489 --> 01:03:02.500
don't think people realize either that you can't carry a

962
01:03:02.519 --> 01:03:06.619
pistol in Texas or in British Columbia or Canada like

963
01:03:06.699 --> 01:03:12.719
oh sure yeah uh so anywhere Todd goes he's got

964
01:03:13.860 --> 01:03:17.309
two rifles the person in front carries one and the

965
01:03:17.349 --> 01:03:22.289
person in back of the group carries one and it's

966
01:03:22.349 --> 01:03:26.010
just because there are so many bears around his area. Uh,

967
01:03:26.949 --> 01:03:32.429
but so there was a guy from Scotland there and, uh,

968
01:03:33.269 --> 01:03:38.820
him and I think Ashley, uh, I'm not sure they're

969
01:03:38.840 --> 01:03:45.000
together anymore, but they were out meditating, uh, at the

970
01:03:45.039 --> 01:03:50.389
campsite and they started getting whoops call in and, uh,

971
01:03:51.630 --> 01:03:54.550
So that was the first thing that we noticed. The

972
01:03:54.590 --> 01:03:58.010
things that I experienced there kind of play into that

973
01:03:58.110 --> 01:04:01.969
because one, I don't want to be woke up to

974
01:04:02.130 --> 01:04:04.889
one outside my window staring at me.

975
01:04:05.139 --> 01:04:05.699
You know what I mean?

976
01:04:07.679 --> 01:04:12.760
So I kind of kept the way I would position

977
01:04:12.820 --> 01:04:19.480
myself would be to where that wouldn't happen. And so

978
01:04:19.840 --> 01:04:24.780
the first night we got there, we had heard or

979
01:04:24.909 --> 01:04:29.460
I had heard what sounded like footprints running, like almost

980
01:04:29.519 --> 01:04:33.599
like if you had a kid doing sprints outside the

981
01:04:33.619 --> 01:04:38.239
camper and you would hear footsteps run by, then footsteps

982
01:04:38.280 --> 01:04:40.989
run back by, and then footsteps run by again to

983
01:04:41.650 --> 01:04:46.550
the point where my feet was kind of there at

984
01:04:46.590 --> 01:04:51.820
the door to the point where I made it a, like,

985
01:04:52.880 --> 01:04:55.840
I got up to make sure the door was locked. Granted,

986
01:04:55.860 --> 01:04:58.179
that wouldn't do anything anyway if they wanted to get in,

987
01:04:58.239 --> 01:05:01.739
but it was just a secure thing. And I got

988
01:05:01.820 --> 01:05:04.619
up to make sure the door was locked just because

989
01:05:05.059 --> 01:05:07.119
I started feeling like, man, if this thing was to

990
01:05:07.199 --> 01:05:09.949
open a door or whatever, you know, I'm right here.

991
01:05:11.090 --> 01:05:17.909
And the next night, nothing. We got loaded up and

992
01:05:17.949 --> 01:05:21.130
we went and hiked in radium and we hiked a 10,000

993
01:05:21.130 --> 01:05:27.510
foot mountain. and it was mainly straight up. I had

994
01:05:27.570 --> 01:05:32.110
probably a 70, 80-pound pack on, and it was rough.

995
01:05:32.550 --> 01:05:35.170
And I'd done it good, and, you know, I had

996
01:05:35.230 --> 01:05:40.550
a torn ACL, and I wasn't going to let it.

997
01:05:42.650 --> 01:05:44.510
It was just something that I wanted to do. So

998
01:05:45.630 --> 01:05:49.429
it took us most of the day to hike it

999
01:05:49.489 --> 01:05:54.360
because I'm telling you, like, It's basically straight up. And

1000
01:05:54.800 --> 01:05:57.960
we got caught in storms. The weather was changing so much.

1001
01:05:58.940 --> 01:06:03.079
Before we left, I didn't tell a single soul. I

1002
01:06:03.119 --> 01:06:05.139
didn't tell any of the guy. I didn't tell the

1003
01:06:05.179 --> 01:06:10.050
guy that was camping with me in the camper. I

1004
01:06:10.130 --> 01:06:16.570
snuck some audio recorders out around his campsite before we

1005
01:06:16.650 --> 01:06:22.530
left and didn't tell nobody. So... We get up there,

1006
01:06:23.110 --> 01:06:30.280
nothing happens, we hike down, come back, I'm pooped, I'm

1007
01:06:30.320 --> 01:06:32.559
laying there in the bed, I'm listening to the audio,

1008
01:06:32.780 --> 01:06:36.840
and where I put the audio, when you walk out

1009
01:06:36.860 --> 01:06:41.719
of the camper, he parks his e-bikes underneath this little canopy,

1010
01:06:42.519 --> 01:06:47.880
and I had slid the audio back behind the e-bikes,

1011
01:06:48.690 --> 01:06:51.030
kind of in a spot where if you're walking by,

1012
01:06:51.550 --> 01:06:56.460
you would have to search for it. And within 15

1013
01:06:56.460 --> 01:07:02.099
minutes after we left, you started hearing tapping, like somebody's

1014
01:07:05.250 --> 01:07:09.510
like doing that up and down the and you can

1015
01:07:09.550 --> 01:07:12.349
tell it's on the camper, just the way it sounds.

1016
01:07:13.050 --> 01:07:18.869
So you start hearing this tapping, like tap, tap, tap, tap.

1017
01:07:19.250 --> 01:07:23.610
And then you hear a like that. And the knocking

1018
01:07:23.650 --> 01:07:27.949
was getting closer to the audio recorder. And then as

1019
01:07:28.030 --> 01:07:31.699
it was getting closer, maybe 10 yards down, you hear another,

1020
01:07:32.610 --> 01:07:34.800
you know, and so it made me think that there

1021
01:07:34.840 --> 01:07:37.199
was two of them, you know, and then the night

1022
01:07:37.219 --> 01:07:39.980
that we got back that very night, as I'm listening

1023
01:07:40.039 --> 01:07:46.969
to that, I hear very, very heavy foot stomps. Like

1024
01:07:47.030 --> 01:07:51.349
not somebody walking, almost like you hear a couple steps

1025
01:07:52.409 --> 01:07:56.940
and then almost like it was positioned right out where

1026
01:07:56.980 --> 01:07:58.659
the window would be. And I was like, I'm not

1027
01:07:58.679 --> 01:08:07.280
looking up at the window, you know. And but it was,

1028
01:08:07.780 --> 01:08:11.349
you know, it was unique and. I showed Todd the

1029
01:08:11.389 --> 01:08:14.809
next day, and he was like, oh, man, that's amazing.

1030
01:08:14.909 --> 01:08:19.350
And he wanted me to send him the audio. He

1031
01:08:19.369 --> 01:08:21.630
tried to copy it while I was there. For some reason,

1032
01:08:22.149 --> 01:08:25.350
I don't know why, the audio, I cannot download it

1033
01:08:25.489 --> 01:08:31.039
to a computer. I have to. Somebody might know how to.

1034
01:08:31.899 --> 01:08:36.000
I'm just not well-versed in that stuff. So in order

1035
01:08:36.039 --> 01:08:37.819
for me to send it to him, I would have

1036
01:08:37.859 --> 01:08:41.039
to send him the whole device, And I would rather

1037
01:08:41.140 --> 01:08:44.079
have it copied first and then send in that, and

1038
01:08:44.180 --> 01:08:45.149
that way I don't lose it.

1039
01:08:45.560 --> 01:08:46.579
I would recommend you do that.

1040
01:08:46.859 --> 01:08:47.060
Yeah.

1041
01:08:47.479 --> 01:08:49.489
Totally. What kind of device is it?

1042
01:08:49.479 --> 01:08:52.569
This is just a– it's one of the first ones.

1043
01:08:52.569 --> 01:08:57.960
It's just a little cheap. Uh, it's, uh, I don't

1044
01:08:57.979 --> 01:09:00.939
even know the brand, but it's, it's, it's not like

1045
01:09:01.020 --> 01:09:05.000
the real good audio recorders. I started upgrading from them,

1046
01:09:05.060 --> 01:09:08.939
but like, uh, it's just like the little, you know.

1047
01:09:09.800 --> 01:09:12.180
So internal memory Olympus type thing.

1048
01:09:12.220 --> 01:09:14.270
You're not talking about task cam where you can just

1049
01:09:14.430 --> 01:09:17.060
pop out the, the, uh, memory card.

1050
01:09:17.189 --> 01:09:21.970
Oh man, that's, well, it takes, uh, a SIM card,

1051
01:09:22.090 --> 01:09:24.770
but it recorded it to the main device and I

1052
01:09:24.810 --> 01:09:27.810
didn't know that. So after that, I went from, I

1053
01:09:27.850 --> 01:09:30.260
started getting task cams and stuff like that. I didn't

1054
01:09:30.270 --> 01:09:37.079
want that issue anymore. But, you know, we found, you know,

1055
01:09:37.140 --> 01:09:39.819
a footprint that was apparent. You know, the thing was,

1056
01:09:41.039 --> 01:09:45.380
you know, I'm a skeptic person. I'm very open-minded. I'm

1057
01:09:45.420 --> 01:09:51.000
very polite to people. So just because, you know, I

1058
01:09:51.039 --> 01:09:53.439
don't believe everything everybody tells me, and I'm not saying

1059
01:09:53.479 --> 01:09:55.850
that being rude. It's just, it is what it is.

1060
01:09:56.350 --> 01:09:57.149
Right, exactly.

1061
01:09:57.170 --> 01:10:03.850
I understand Todd gets a lot of flack. It is

1062
01:10:03.890 --> 01:10:09.520
what it is. We went there, me and this other

1063
01:10:09.560 --> 01:10:13.359
guy was kind of there not to try to disprove

1064
01:10:13.399 --> 01:10:17.729
him or anything like that, but we questioned, you know,

1065
01:10:17.770 --> 01:10:20.630
like if we seen a tree break, And he was like, oh,

1066
01:10:20.670 --> 01:10:23.250
look how high that tree break is. No human could

1067
01:10:23.289 --> 01:10:26.689
do that. We went over and the guy grabbed, the

1068
01:10:26.729 --> 01:10:28.989
other Marine grabbed it and he bent the tree down

1069
01:10:29.029 --> 01:10:31.869
and broke it. And what was weird is when the

1070
01:10:31.890 --> 01:10:34.859
thing popped up, it was in the same level as

1071
01:10:35.039 --> 01:10:39.439
the tree break that was already there. The guy that

1072
01:10:39.500 --> 01:10:44.159
was from Texas, you know, he hollered at me on

1073
01:10:44.239 --> 01:10:46.100
one of the places that we were at. And he says, hey,

1074
01:10:46.159 --> 01:10:50.600
you know, come look at this tree. It might be

1075
01:10:50.619 --> 01:10:52.720
a footprint. And I went over there and looked at it.

1076
01:10:52.869 --> 01:10:54.750
I knew that it wasn't, but I wanted to get

1077
01:10:54.789 --> 01:10:57.329
Todd's input on it to see what Todd would say.

1078
01:10:57.710 --> 01:11:00.710
To see if Todd would be like, oh, yeah, yeah. Well,

1079
01:11:01.369 --> 01:11:04.630
Todd looked at it and was like, you know, no,

1080
01:11:04.789 --> 01:11:06.970
I don't think it is. Because the symmetrics of it

1081
01:11:07.010 --> 01:11:09.560
look like a print. But what it was is where

1082
01:11:09.600 --> 01:11:12.300
somebody had either climbed up that hill at some point

1083
01:11:12.500 --> 01:11:16.659
or an animal or whatever. It basically had pulled a

1084
01:11:16.720 --> 01:11:19.750
rock out at some point, you know. Okay. left in

1085
01:11:19.869 --> 01:11:24.800
yet but you know and I will say that there's

1086
01:11:24.840 --> 01:11:27.380
things that Todd said that you'll never make me believe

1087
01:11:27.439 --> 01:11:30.920
or never make me get into and there's things that

1088
01:11:31.199 --> 01:11:33.960
I can say that I've been around him enough to

1089
01:11:35.140 --> 01:11:39.140
to I don't think that he's completely fake on everything

1090
01:11:39.199 --> 01:11:41.220
I don't think that he's trying to hoax people all

1091
01:11:41.260 --> 01:11:43.470
the time and just try to make money I just

1092
01:11:43.479 --> 01:11:48.210
don't you don't see that when you're there he does

1093
01:11:48.250 --> 01:11:51.840
not have all this money that people make him out to.

1094
01:11:52.340 --> 01:11:56.520
Like for instance, my, my gear had came a few

1095
01:11:56.539 --> 01:12:03.829
days late. Well, we ended up driving from, he lives in, and, uh,

1096
01:12:05.090 --> 01:12:07.090
his place is in British Columbia, which is like a

1097
01:12:07.090 --> 01:12:13.250
three hour drive. We get to the campsite and my stuff,

1098
01:12:13.310 --> 01:12:15.569
I get an email cause he's got Starlink and stuff

1099
01:12:15.630 --> 01:12:19.010
out there. And, and, uh, saying that it was in,

1100
01:12:19.409 --> 01:12:21.470
he just throws me his keys and a picture of

1101
01:12:21.529 --> 01:12:23.310
his insurance and says, here, take my truck.

1102
01:12:24.029 --> 01:12:25.350
Oh my goodness. Wow.

1103
01:12:25.789 --> 01:12:28.810
He's, he's, uh, he'll call and check on you and

1104
01:12:28.859 --> 01:12:31.119
talk to you. Like he's not just trying to sell

1105
01:12:31.159 --> 01:12:33.939
you stuff. And I think that's where, you know, people

1106
01:12:34.000 --> 01:12:38.380
have that whole thing about him that he's just fake and,

1107
01:12:38.560 --> 01:12:41.180
you know, they hate him and, and they'll never look

1108
01:12:41.199 --> 01:12:49.340
past that. But show me any Bigfoot footage of, Take

1109
01:12:49.359 --> 01:12:52.770
the Patterson-Gimlin film right now. Look what's going on with that.

1110
01:12:53.510 --> 01:12:57.029
People are going around trying to disprove that. Anybody who's

1111
01:12:57.069 --> 01:12:59.609
got anything that looks legit, you're going to have a

1112
01:12:59.649 --> 01:13:01.350
side that says it's real, and then you're going to

1113
01:13:01.369 --> 01:13:03.270
have a side that says it's fake, and you're never

1114
01:13:03.329 --> 01:13:08.380
going to make them believe or disbelieve. And what I

1115
01:13:08.420 --> 01:13:14.100
can say about Todd is that one dude, Logan, I

1116
01:13:14.140 --> 01:13:15.880
can't think of his last name. You probably know.

1117
01:13:16.180 --> 01:13:21.140
Logan Chasseau. the guy with the recording setup yeah he's.

1118
01:13:20.960 --> 01:13:24.659
Got cameras all around todd's stuff he's setting up places

1119
01:13:25.380 --> 01:13:28.590
in multiple different areas it ain't just a dm but

1120
01:13:28.619 --> 01:13:30.779
he's got them in different states and stuff oh yeah

1121
01:13:31.310 --> 01:13:34.430
and he seemed to have captured some stuff up there

1122
01:13:34.449 --> 01:13:37.770
and you know of uh something throwing a rock at

1123
01:13:37.850 --> 01:13:40.890
one of the cameras and and things like that and

1124
01:13:41.109 --> 01:13:46.350
uh so i mean you know todd's not I don't

1125
01:13:46.390 --> 01:13:48.949
think so. And I'm sure people will call me stupid

1126
01:13:48.970 --> 01:13:51.210
and all this stuff, which I don't care. But, like,

1127
01:13:51.989 --> 01:13:54.909
I don't think Todd, whether he faked the stuff before

1128
01:13:55.090 --> 01:14:01.069
or not, I don't know. I think that a lot

1129
01:14:01.109 --> 01:14:03.390
of stuff gets thrown out there. Like, when they said

1130
01:14:03.430 --> 01:14:08.250
that his sister was, like, a makeup artist and all

1131
01:14:08.270 --> 01:14:09.029
that stuff.

1132
01:14:09.369 --> 01:14:09.729
Right.

1133
01:14:10.289 --> 01:14:10.630
Yeah.

1134
01:14:11.149 --> 01:14:15.390
It's like... the way that you hear him talk about

1135
01:14:15.449 --> 01:14:17.729
stuff because like you know there's two sides to every

1136
01:14:17.789 --> 01:14:25.479
story Todd always just got crapped on and from that

1137
01:14:25.560 --> 01:14:29.840
point nothing that he could say or do was it

1138
01:14:29.880 --> 01:14:35.149
was all based off him being a a hoaxer and

1139
01:14:36.050 --> 01:14:41.930
so like his credibility no matter what he does is.

1140
01:14:41.850 --> 01:14:48.399
Tarnished and Oh, I would agree. I mean, man, uh, in,

1141
01:14:48.659 --> 01:14:52.890
in a lot of people are like, Jeremiah, what do

1142
01:14:52.939 --> 01:14:53.279
you think?

1143
01:14:53.390 --> 01:14:53.590
Okay.

1144
01:14:54.029 --> 01:14:57.069
So I, how I view things guys is that I

1145
01:14:57.109 --> 01:15:02.390
need to talk to the person directly before I make a,

1146
01:15:02.689 --> 01:15:04.210
you know, yay or nay.

1147
01:15:04.630 --> 01:15:07.300
And, um, I've never been able to talk to Todd.

1148
01:15:07.489 --> 01:15:10.350
So, Uh, I've, I've tried to set that up before.

1149
01:15:10.390 --> 01:15:12.430
I just have never been able to, I'd be open

1150
01:15:12.449 --> 01:15:15.229
to it. But, um, that's why I've been trying to

1151
01:15:15.270 --> 01:15:17.899
go out to places like Tennessee and Oregon and try

1152
01:15:17.939 --> 01:15:20.539
to figure this out for myself and not just that's

1153
01:15:20.600 --> 01:15:20.989
part of it.

1154
01:15:21.039 --> 01:15:21.199
Right.

1155
01:15:21.520 --> 01:15:24.039
So, right. And that's kind of like, I'm not too

1156
01:15:24.140 --> 01:15:26.439
proud to ask people like, you know, I reached out

1157
01:15:26.520 --> 01:15:31.069
to the sailor Sasquatch, uh, Sarah and him, you know,

1158
01:15:31.829 --> 01:15:35.359
I think they make good content. Uh, sure. monsters, I'm

1159
01:15:35.399 --> 01:15:37.699
not trying to get on film or anything, if they

1160
01:15:37.739 --> 01:15:41.720
film it, cool, whatever, but I try to go around

1161
01:15:41.760 --> 01:15:44.560
to people and learn from them, and take what I

1162
01:15:44.600 --> 01:15:47.579
can from it, and I've learned a lot from that,

1163
01:15:48.119 --> 01:15:52.359
and I'm not too proud if I get something wrong

1164
01:15:52.420 --> 01:15:55.800
to say that I'm wrong, but it's just one of

1165
01:15:55.859 --> 01:15:59.100
those things where, you know, again, going back to Todd,

1166
01:15:59.460 --> 01:16:01.939
everybody is so quick to say, oh, his stuff's fake,

1167
01:16:02.020 --> 01:16:06.100
but yet, nobody has been able or if they have

1168
01:16:06.140 --> 01:16:09.539
i'm not seeing replicate what he done you know like

1169
01:16:09.699 --> 01:16:13.239
if they're saying oh that's just puppets and it's so

1170
01:16:13.319 --> 01:16:16.689
easy to do then why hasn't anybody done it and

1171
01:16:16.729 --> 01:16:18.750
said hey this is how he did it this is

1172
01:16:18.890 --> 01:16:21.869
why it was so easy to fake maybe there has

1173
01:16:21.930 --> 01:16:25.010
and i just ain't seen it the whole path stuff

1174
01:16:25.189 --> 01:16:28.229
i found it interesting that you know all that came

1175
01:16:28.350 --> 01:16:31.510
out once Meldrum died. When Meldrum died, all of a sudden,

1176
01:16:31.550 --> 01:16:33.670
now you've got this group of people that's coming out

1177
01:16:33.710 --> 01:16:36.310
trying to say that the Gimlin footage is fake.

1178
01:16:37.390 --> 01:16:40.229
The whole deal, man. I just want to get... I just, like.

1179
01:16:40.649 --> 01:16:42.109
Dude, if you're going to put it out there, just

1180
01:16:42.180 --> 01:16:43.800
put it out there and let us move on.

1181
01:16:44.039 --> 01:16:44.960
Like, you know, just.

1182
01:16:46.000 --> 01:16:46.239
It's.

1183
01:16:47.180 --> 01:16:51.760
Terrible how long it got... Right. Dragging on for, right?

1184
01:16:51.800 --> 01:16:54.840
Well, you know, they was going to put it out,

1185
01:16:55.159 --> 01:16:57.840
and then... to where they were going to go and

1186
01:16:57.880 --> 01:17:00.159
drive around the country and only do it at certain

1187
01:17:00.180 --> 01:17:06.060
events and stuff like that. But, you know, regardless of

1188
01:17:06.119 --> 01:17:12.470
what you think of Todd, I do have audio of something. And,

1189
01:17:12.670 --> 01:17:17.649
you know, we checked the campers the next morning and

1190
01:17:17.970 --> 01:17:21.199
you see it would be like three fingers like this.

1191
01:17:21.359 --> 01:17:21.859
Oh, man.

1192
01:17:22.439 --> 01:17:25.909
Bigger, you know, and spread. And it looked like somebody

1193
01:17:25.930 --> 01:17:30.810
had went down the side doing that, you know? And, uh,

1194
01:17:32.090 --> 01:17:35.409
the one guy, the Marine, you know, we went to

1195
01:17:35.489 --> 01:17:39.760
his gifting spot and we all put out apples. And,

1196
01:17:40.300 --> 01:17:44.279
and here's the thing about Todd, when he pulls on trees,

1197
01:17:44.340 --> 01:17:47.180
like it ain't just where anybody can grab them. Some

1198
01:17:47.239 --> 01:17:49.439
of them are, but some of them, I mean, they're

1199
01:17:49.539 --> 01:17:57.289
way up in trees. And, uh, Mine wasn't taken. We

1200
01:17:57.350 --> 01:18:01.319
found one that looked like possibly a squirrel or a

1201
01:18:01.380 --> 01:18:04.439
bird had started taking it. It was on the ground,

1202
01:18:04.500 --> 01:18:06.500
but it had a few bite marks out of it.

1203
01:18:07.159 --> 01:18:12.760
But then the former Marine guy, Lewis is his name,

1204
01:18:13.380 --> 01:18:18.510
his was taken, and there was a rock at the

1205
01:18:18.560 --> 01:18:24.180
bottom of the tree. where he had put his like

1206
01:18:24.220 --> 01:18:26.420
he he didn't put his high up but he put

1207
01:18:26.460 --> 01:18:30.359
it usually like uh like on a broken twig or

1208
01:18:30.399 --> 01:18:34.670
something he would smack it on that and it was

1209
01:18:34.729 --> 01:18:39.189
a rock that did not belong there it was polished

1210
01:18:39.350 --> 01:18:42.710
it was it was like orange and black and white

1211
01:18:42.789 --> 01:18:45.449
it's almost like a marble would be but like i

1212
01:18:45.489 --> 01:18:46.989
don't know what the name of it would be but

1213
01:18:47.050 --> 01:18:52.789
it was super smooth super polished uh It's definitely something

1214
01:18:52.829 --> 01:18:56.289
that wasn't there, you know, or that wouldn't have been there.

1215
01:18:56.930 --> 01:19:00.250
And so it's like, you know, what do you do

1216
01:19:00.289 --> 01:19:02.010
with that? You just have to take it and move

1217
01:19:02.090 --> 01:19:06.149
on from it and say, hey, well, this happened. I

1218
01:19:06.229 --> 01:19:10.510
asked the guy that was in the camp with... todd

1219
01:19:10.550 --> 01:19:12.670
that night he's like hey did todd ever leave the

1220
01:19:12.689 --> 01:19:18.079
camp at any time plus there's cameras that you know.

1221
01:19:18.300 --> 01:19:20.479
Right your camera's everywhere because of logan.

1222
01:19:20.659 --> 01:19:23.560
Yeah you know so if he's doing something around there

1223
01:19:23.640 --> 01:19:25.479
then it's going to get caught on camera and todd

1224
01:19:25.520 --> 01:19:28.100
don't have access to those cameras it.

1225
01:19:28.060 --> 01:19:29.800
All goes so he can't just go in and wipe

1226
01:19:29.899 --> 01:19:33.449
it right okay that's interesting yeah wow yeah it.

1227
01:19:33.470 --> 01:19:37.000
All goes through logan so when I mentioned that to

1228
01:19:37.060 --> 01:19:39.079
Todd about the cameras he was like well you'd have

1229
01:19:39.100 --> 01:19:41.720
to get in touch with Logan because Logan's the one

1230
01:19:41.760 --> 01:19:43.810
who has access to all this stuff so it's like

1231
01:19:44.590 --> 01:19:47.170
Logan's the one that's doing it it's just Todd's allowing

1232
01:19:47.210 --> 01:19:48.069
him to set it up.

1233
01:19:48.029 --> 01:19:51.550
There you know it ain't like the stuff to.

1234
01:19:51.390 --> 01:19:56.649
Go and flip flop it but so I mean you

1235
01:19:56.710 --> 01:19:58.810
know and then I left from there and went to

1236
01:19:59.590 --> 01:20:03.720
Northern California and stayed and nothing happened but it was

1237
01:20:03.760 --> 01:20:06.199
just you know, it's just one of those spots that

1238
01:20:07.909 --> 01:20:11.010
I wanted to go to, you know, like, uh, at

1239
01:20:11.029 --> 01:20:13.890
the O'Callaghan festival, you know, we got up on stage

1240
01:20:13.909 --> 01:20:15.789
and somebody asked me, they said, well, you know, if

1241
01:20:15.810 --> 01:20:20.180
the Patterson footage proves to be fake, is that going

1242
01:20:20.199 --> 01:20:21.340
to alter your opinion?

1243
01:20:21.380 --> 01:20:23.800
I'm like, no, not at all. Not at all.

1244
01:20:24.279 --> 01:20:27.699
That wasn't even what got me into it, but it's

1245
01:20:27.779 --> 01:20:32.430
such an iconic place now. Uh, I just wanted to

1246
01:20:32.470 --> 01:20:35.350
go see the place and see the area. And, you know,

1247
01:20:35.369 --> 01:20:37.949
I've read books, I've read, you know, like the Hoopa

1248
01:20:37.989 --> 01:20:41.380
Nation and, and all that stuff. So it was kind

1249
01:20:41.420 --> 01:20:46.640
of nice to put visual to paper. And, uh, but

1250
01:20:47.840 --> 01:20:50.840
most of the, most of my stuff that I've had

1251
01:20:50.880 --> 01:20:55.550
happen to me is in Kentucky and Tennessee. And the,

1252
01:20:55.810 --> 01:21:03.069
the Kentucky one last May, uh, I normally pack every

1253
01:21:03.090 --> 01:21:08.250
time I go out. And it's not that I don't

1254
01:21:08.289 --> 01:21:12.989
have any interest in shooting a Bigfoot. None of that.

1255
01:21:13.229 --> 01:21:17.880
It's more for people, crazy folks. Oh, 100%.

1256
01:21:17.880 --> 01:21:18.800
Yeah.

1257
01:21:19.659 --> 01:21:23.399
And so you're never going to see me waving it

1258
01:21:23.460 --> 01:21:25.880
around or anything like that. Or if something was to

1259
01:21:25.939 --> 01:21:29.810
happen and I have to do something, then it's there. So...

1260
01:21:30.899 --> 01:21:35.270
and I know, you know, Charlie and Lindsay and, uh, yeah. Yeah.

1261
01:21:35.329 --> 01:21:36.529
Charlie's, Charlie's a great guy.

1262
01:21:36.649 --> 01:21:37.649
Yep. Great guy.

1263
01:21:38.029 --> 01:21:39.970
And I've never met Lindsay. That's, that's why I say that,

1264
01:21:40.170 --> 01:21:40.949
but Charlie's great.

1265
01:21:41.130 --> 01:21:46.770
Yep. Lindsay's, Lindsay's great too. Lindsay's probably, she's probably what

1266
01:21:46.810 --> 01:21:48.060
keeps Charlie in.

1267
01:21:49.039 --> 01:21:49.640
Oh, of course.

1268
01:21:49.699 --> 01:21:49.939
Yeah.

1269
01:21:49.979 --> 01:21:50.899
That's, that's how it works.

1270
01:21:50.939 --> 01:21:55.020
Right. Uh, but you know, she's very, you know, she was,

1271
01:21:55.100 --> 01:21:58.020
she's a retired police officer and stuff, and she's very,

1272
01:21:58.159 --> 01:22:01.630
very intelligent. And, uh, they're just a great group of

1273
01:22:01.689 --> 01:22:04.390
people and I love going out with them. And what

1274
01:22:04.430 --> 01:22:10.029
I like about Charlie is he's out on the ground

1275
01:22:10.100 --> 01:22:12.260
doing interviews. So he's trying to put you in the

1276
01:22:12.319 --> 01:22:16.380
best spots possible for something to happen. You know, not

1277
01:22:16.420 --> 01:22:20.180
saying that it will, but he's, he's doing what the

1278
01:22:20.220 --> 01:22:24.819
BFRO is initially doing, but doing it in Kentucky. Yeah, exactly.

1279
01:22:25.899 --> 01:22:30.689
So he's, he's putting you in great spots and, Uh,

1280
01:22:31.090 --> 01:22:33.350
but he, you know, for me being a hunter in

1281
01:22:33.369 --> 01:22:36.569
prior military, I'm usually in camo or something like that.

1282
01:22:36.750 --> 01:22:39.210
And he's kind of against, he's not going to tell

1283
01:22:39.229 --> 01:22:43.010
you not to wear it, but like he is more

1284
01:22:43.029 --> 01:22:47.569
along the lines of you shouldn't wear camo, uh, because

1285
01:22:47.590 --> 01:22:50.510
they're going to think you're a hunter, uh, things like that. Like,

1286
01:22:50.949 --> 01:22:53.449
you know, when people take cameras and stuff, you know,

1287
01:22:54.449 --> 01:22:57.409
if they're used to seeing hunters aim and shoot and

1288
01:22:57.430 --> 01:22:59.829
then all of a sudden you got somebody, you know,

1289
01:22:59.930 --> 01:23:02.649
pulling up cameras, you're still aiming, you know what I mean?

1290
01:23:03.829 --> 01:23:07.369
His theories are, or was ones that were different than

1291
01:23:07.409 --> 01:23:10.899
I was used to hearing. So it was like, okay, uh,

1292
01:23:11.739 --> 01:23:14.880
he don't think that you should pack when you go out, uh,

1293
01:23:15.960 --> 01:23:19.560
things like that. So I was trying something different. Uh,

1294
01:23:20.239 --> 01:23:24.500
first time I'd ever not packed, uh, And we get

1295
01:23:24.560 --> 01:23:27.680
on this trail that was well known for a lot

1296
01:23:27.699 --> 01:23:29.960
of encounters. I think Lori Wade had one of her

1297
01:23:30.000 --> 01:23:35.850
first encounters there. Somebody had made a mention of they

1298
01:23:35.890 --> 01:23:38.729
seen like one spider crawl across the trail and they

1299
01:23:38.750 --> 01:23:40.609
were supposed to be like a white one there. And,

1300
01:23:40.729 --> 01:23:45.199
you know, all these different encounters. And we get to

1301
01:23:45.239 --> 01:23:47.539
this spot and we're sitting on this big pile of

1302
01:23:47.560 --> 01:23:52.960
rocks and just sitting in the dark and I remember

1303
01:23:53.039 --> 01:23:57.460
a story that I'd heard of, I think it was

1304
01:23:57.539 --> 01:24:01.020
a kid. It might be North Carolina. I'm not super

1305
01:24:01.119 --> 01:24:03.939
sure right now, but it was basically like a young

1306
01:24:03.979 --> 01:24:07.470
kid was supposed to be being watched by his grandma

1307
01:24:07.550 --> 01:24:11.289
or somebody. And she went inside and he vanished and

1308
01:24:11.869 --> 01:24:14.250
they found him like three days later alive, but he

1309
01:24:14.270 --> 01:24:19.229
was like 60 miles away. And they asked him, and he,

1310
01:24:21.760 --> 01:24:25.460
The story may be somewhat different. I'm just remembering it,

1311
01:24:26.020 --> 01:24:27.880
the little bits and pieces. So if I had some

1312
01:24:27.920 --> 01:24:32.739
of it wrong, forgive me. So basically, they asked him

1313
01:24:33.140 --> 01:24:39.600
if he was scared or whatever because, you know, he

1314
01:24:39.640 --> 01:24:41.720
was young and it was at nighttime. And he said no,

1315
01:24:41.819 --> 01:24:45.010
that once he realized that it was getting dark, he

1316
01:24:45.060 --> 01:24:47.430
leaned up against a tree and he apparently seen these

1317
01:24:47.489 --> 01:24:50.189
things poking around a tree looking at him and he

1318
01:24:50.210 --> 01:24:53.079
just felt safe. And they asked him how he stayed warm.

1319
01:24:53.140 --> 01:24:56.399
And he apparently told them that a big bear had

1320
01:24:56.460 --> 01:24:59.300
picked him up and cuddled him and kept him warm. Yep.

1321
01:24:59.420 --> 01:25:00.039
That's legit.

1322
01:25:00.220 --> 01:25:00.439
Yeah.

1323
01:25:01.220 --> 01:25:05.170
And so, you know, that's just an odd story. Like

1324
01:25:05.510 --> 01:25:08.890
for me, a bear is not going to do that.

1325
01:25:09.170 --> 01:25:13.470
And everything we've learned over time about apes like gorillas

1326
01:25:13.569 --> 01:25:17.729
and they're very loving. Like you look at. The kids

1327
01:25:17.770 --> 01:25:20.689
that have fell down in zoos into a gorilla place,

1328
01:25:20.869 --> 01:25:23.550
what do they do? They take care of them. They

1329
01:25:23.569 --> 01:25:27.130
cuddle them. I just seen one recently where, and I

1330
01:25:27.149 --> 01:25:29.729
don't know how recent the video is, but I just

1331
01:25:29.770 --> 01:25:33.270
seen it where a kid had fell over and it was,

1332
01:25:33.329 --> 01:25:36.899
I think, an orangutan. A young one had picked him

1333
01:25:37.020 --> 01:25:40.819
up and lifted him back up. towards the parents and

1334
01:25:40.859 --> 01:25:43.439
then the bigger orangutan came over and got it from

1335
01:25:43.500 --> 01:25:45.760
the younger one and grabbed it and then lift it

1336
01:25:45.819 --> 01:25:47.060
back up to get you know what i.

1337
01:25:47.020 --> 01:25:49.680
Mean like wow yeah absolutely.

1338
01:25:49.899 --> 01:25:52.560
So i don't think a bear would do that and

1339
01:25:52.880 --> 01:25:55.689
a kid of that age is not going to travel

1340
01:25:55.689 --> 01:25:59.590
60 miles or 50 miles through the woods i just

1341
01:26:00.430 --> 01:26:04.390
don't believe it so we got the idea of taking

1342
01:26:04.750 --> 01:26:08.960
and taking a speaker out there and uh playing babies

1343
01:26:09.039 --> 01:26:12.600
crying in in the woods and uh we played the

1344
01:26:12.640 --> 01:26:17.640
sierra sounds first where we i think we found found

1345
01:26:17.680 --> 01:26:21.340
them on youtube where it wasn't like ron morehead uh.

1346
01:26:23.119 --> 01:26:25.899
Talking to him right it's not the cd i know

1347
01:26:25.930 --> 01:26:28.810
exactly the youtube video you're talking about because i've used it.

1348
01:26:28.770 --> 01:26:33.170
Yeah yeah so you were just plays the the them

1349
01:26:33.229 --> 01:26:37.470
talking or the Sasquatch noise and the samurai chatter and

1350
01:26:37.529 --> 01:26:39.789
all that. So we, we found that and was playing it.

1351
01:26:40.430 --> 01:26:43.630
And then when we turned it off, we played babies crying.

1352
01:26:44.550 --> 01:26:47.729
And as soon as we turned the babies crying off,

1353
01:26:47.810 --> 01:26:50.000
we're sitting there in the dark and we heard, we

1354
01:26:50.239 --> 01:26:54.699
all of a sudden we hear a scream and it

1355
01:26:54.819 --> 01:26:58.659
sounded like it was within like 30 yards in front

1356
01:26:58.720 --> 01:27:00.720
of us. And it sounded like it was coming towards

1357
01:27:00.779 --> 01:27:04.640
us to the point where it I'm jumping up fixing

1358
01:27:04.859 --> 01:27:07.659
to run, you know, cause it caught me so off guard.

1359
01:27:08.119 --> 01:27:10.659
We were in the dark. Uh, it was just something

1360
01:27:10.680 --> 01:27:16.319
that just shocked me cause it just happened. Like, you know,

1361
01:27:16.460 --> 01:27:19.199
usually when you turn something off, like you, you get

1362
01:27:19.260 --> 01:27:22.300
quiet and you're trying to listen and, and focus. And

1363
01:27:22.819 --> 01:27:24.460
it was like, as soon as the, as soon as

1364
01:27:24.520 --> 01:27:27.960
it turned off, the scream happened and it sounded so

1365
01:27:28.020 --> 01:27:30.439
close and coming in that like, it sounded like it

1366
01:27:30.479 --> 01:27:33.470
was right on top of us. And, So I jumped

1367
01:27:33.550 --> 01:27:35.729
up to run, and the guy beside me, he jumped

1368
01:27:35.810 --> 01:27:39.529
up to move. And then I thought to myself, don't run,

1369
01:27:39.689 --> 01:27:42.489
don't run, just sit here. And I squatted down, and

1370
01:27:42.550 --> 01:27:45.239
I just sat there for a second. And then all

1371
01:27:45.260 --> 01:27:47.819
of a sudden, this little breeze came in behind in

1372
01:27:48.060 --> 01:27:50.760
the direction of where the sound would have been coming from,

1373
01:27:50.899 --> 01:27:55.439
and this odor came. And it was like instantly. So

1374
01:27:55.460 --> 01:27:58.569
you heard the scream, and then the odor came. And

1375
01:27:58.590 --> 01:28:06.800
this odor was just like an old, nasty... old piss

1376
01:28:06.840 --> 01:28:09.659
smell you know like it was just something had been

1377
01:28:10.140 --> 01:28:14.149
rolling in just nasty piss and it was so thick

1378
01:28:14.199 --> 01:28:17.750
that you could taste it and it lingered for a

1379
01:28:17.789 --> 01:28:24.170
good 10 minutes and it screamed again and then I

1380
01:28:24.229 --> 01:28:28.020
thought and you never heard nothing we never heard nothing

1381
01:28:28.079 --> 01:28:31.119
come in we never heard what direction it came from

1382
01:28:31.699 --> 01:28:35.079
where it went We just heard the scream. So I'm

1383
01:28:35.119 --> 01:28:37.699
sitting here. All I had to do is reach up

1384
01:28:37.729 --> 01:28:39.890
and turn my light on. You know what I mean?

1385
01:28:40.399 --> 01:28:43.140
and it just didn't pop in my head uh I

1386
01:28:43.159 --> 01:28:47.079
have a thermal in my pocket by the time I

1387
01:28:47.119 --> 01:28:49.539
thought to pull my thermal out I pulled my thermal

1388
01:28:49.619 --> 01:28:54.939
out and and uh turned it on and started therm

1389
01:28:54.960 --> 01:28:57.100
and and where we was sitting there was a tree

1390
01:28:57.140 --> 01:29:01.260
that had that had that was broke down over the road. And,

1391
01:29:01.739 --> 01:29:05.390
you know, you see heat signatures behind it, but you

1392
01:29:05.430 --> 01:29:07.329
couldn't really make it out. So I handed it to

1393
01:29:07.350 --> 01:29:09.350
the guy that was next to me and said, Hey,

1394
01:29:09.430 --> 01:29:11.189
you know, look behind us and see if you see him,

1395
01:29:11.210 --> 01:29:14.130
what I'm seeing. I don't think he was looking in

1396
01:29:14.149 --> 01:29:18.060
the same spot. He said that he thought he seen

1397
01:29:18.100 --> 01:29:21.000
something poke its head around a tree. Uh, I didn't

1398
01:29:21.060 --> 01:29:27.739
see it. Uh, but I went back that night and

1399
01:29:30.079 --> 01:29:34.199
looked up every animal sound in that area that I

1400
01:29:34.220 --> 01:29:39.600
could think of, and I spent hours looking up every sound,

1401
01:29:40.960 --> 01:29:46.819
different sounds they make, and could not find anything. And

1402
01:29:46.859 --> 01:29:50.390
the only thing that I eventually found that mimicked it

1403
01:29:51.250 --> 01:29:56.270
was when I was in British Columbia, I was talking

1404
01:29:56.289 --> 01:29:59.479
about Jeff Meldrum, and Todd was like, hey, you know,

1405
01:29:59.489 --> 01:30:02.739
if you're a Meldrum fan, you should watch Legend Meets Science.

1406
01:30:03.800 --> 01:30:07.899
And on one of my trips to Tennessee with the family,

1407
01:30:08.539 --> 01:30:11.460
I put Legend Meets Science on and I'm listening to

1408
01:30:11.479 --> 01:30:18.930
it as I'm driving. And somewhere in the middle of that,

1409
01:30:20.470 --> 01:30:24.149
if you find the YouTube version, there's one of the videos,

1410
01:30:24.210 --> 01:30:27.750
it's like 44 minutes long. Around the 23 minute mark,

1411
01:30:29.590 --> 01:30:35.510
they're in this room where they're listening to audio, and

1412
01:30:36.609 --> 01:30:42.520
they play this scream, and they say in the database

1413
01:30:42.920 --> 01:30:47.100
that it don't match anything as the audio fingerprint that

1414
01:30:47.140 --> 01:30:50.359
it leaves, that it don't match anything in the database

1415
01:30:50.439 --> 01:30:53.289
that they have on record, but they said it was primate.

1416
01:30:54.729 --> 01:30:58.090
As soon as I heard that, I was like, ah,

1417
01:30:58.109 --> 01:31:00.670
you know, I was all jittery, like, that's it, that's it,

1418
01:31:00.750 --> 01:31:02.789
that's exactly what it was, so I sent it to

1419
01:31:02.810 --> 01:31:05.229
the guy that was with me, and I didn't say

1420
01:31:05.270 --> 01:31:07.310
nothing to him, I said, listen to this, and as

1421
01:31:07.369 --> 01:31:09.789
soon as he heard it, he was like, oh my gosh,

1422
01:31:10.250 --> 01:31:13.170
that's it, that's, that's it, he's like, send that to Charlie,

1423
01:31:13.630 --> 01:31:15.510
so we sent it to Charlie, and, you know, he

1424
01:31:15.569 --> 01:31:19.369
never really said much, but that's the only thing that I've,

1425
01:31:19.649 --> 01:31:24.449
I've found to, uh, that sounded like that. And then

1426
01:31:24.829 --> 01:31:28.329
the first time that we were down here with, I

1427
01:31:28.350 --> 01:31:36.939
think when Mike started the squash in Florida group, uh, me, Mike, Aguilar,

1428
01:31:37.100 --> 01:31:41.859
Mike Noga and RPG was out and we heard the

1429
01:31:41.899 --> 01:31:46.010
same thing. And, uh, That's the only two places that

1430
01:31:46.029 --> 01:31:49.670
I've ever heard that. And it was the same cadence,

1431
01:31:49.750 --> 01:31:53.149
same scream. This one was a little farther back, like

1432
01:31:53.210 --> 01:31:55.750
wasn't right up in your face like this, the one

1433
01:31:55.789 --> 01:32:01.060
in Kentucky was. But it was pretty spooky, man. Like

1434
01:32:01.899 --> 01:32:05.180
just the way that it just came out of nowhere.

1435
01:32:05.359 --> 01:32:09.279
You never heard no prints or no sounds of it

1436
01:32:09.340 --> 01:32:15.659
coming close. Nothing after it left. So You know, it

1437
01:32:17.590 --> 01:32:21.930
is very interesting. But, you know, I've learned a lot

1438
01:32:23.670 --> 01:32:28.329
what little time I've been doing this. Man, I got

1439
01:32:28.369 --> 01:32:32.989
a library of books that I read all the time.

1440
01:32:33.050 --> 01:32:36.600
Just because you read different people's opinions and you read

1441
01:32:36.640 --> 01:32:40.659
people's different stories, doing what you do, listening to people's

1442
01:32:40.699 --> 01:32:43.500
stories and stuff all the time. I love that. I

1443
01:32:43.539 --> 01:32:47.260
could do that all day long. But regardless if I

1444
01:32:47.300 --> 01:32:49.310
believe what they're saying or not, I can still pick

1445
01:32:49.390 --> 01:32:54.649
up something and possibly learn something from it. But what

1446
01:32:54.750 --> 01:32:58.390
Bigfoot has kind of done for me and the route

1447
01:32:58.449 --> 01:33:04.699
that I'm sort of taking now is, and I think

1448
01:33:05.939 --> 01:33:09.779
I was down in Mayaka with a dude named Todd Patrick,

1449
01:33:10.220 --> 01:33:12.220
and there was a guy that was out with him,

1450
01:33:12.279 --> 01:33:15.600
and this guy's like, He reminds you of what you,

1451
01:33:15.680 --> 01:33:18.470
I guess what you would think of just an old

1452
01:33:18.600 --> 01:33:23.010
European hiker. I'd have to look up his name, but

1453
01:33:23.050 --> 01:33:27.229
he's a botanist. And he had just got back from

1454
01:33:27.289 --> 01:33:30.289
like the Netherlands the night before we went out. And

1455
01:33:30.310 --> 01:33:34.979
he's always traveling and always hiking. But what I really

1456
01:33:35.029 --> 01:33:39.640
liked about walking with him was everywhere we went, he

1457
01:33:39.680 --> 01:33:41.899
could say, he would point at a plant and say, hey,

1458
01:33:42.319 --> 01:33:44.470
that does this and you could do this with that

1459
01:33:44.529 --> 01:33:48.029
you know and i was like man you know going

1460
01:33:48.090 --> 01:33:52.449
back to what i mentioned earlier with the tracking our

1461
01:33:52.510 --> 01:33:56.090
lack of knowledge and i know that there's people out

1462
01:33:56.109 --> 01:33:57.890
there that are very good with plants and i know

1463
01:33:57.930 --> 01:34:00.869
there's people out there that are very good with tracking

1464
01:34:01.050 --> 01:34:03.369
and hunting and all that stuff but what i'm saying

1465
01:34:03.609 --> 01:34:08.729
as a society we're we are nowhere near the level

1466
01:34:08.789 --> 01:34:09.590
of what we used.

1467
01:34:09.489 --> 01:34:12.630
To be as a people yeah absolutely.

1468
01:34:14.109 --> 01:34:18.210
And we're only going farther from it. So what I

1469
01:34:18.229 --> 01:34:22.829
started doing, I got into the tracking, and that's a

1470
01:34:22.850 --> 01:34:29.310
never-ending learning. I got books upon books to study, and

1471
01:34:29.329 --> 01:34:32.949
I try to base it on regions that I'm going to.

1472
01:34:33.600 --> 01:34:39.920
But also, I've got into learning and reading trees and plants,

1473
01:34:40.300 --> 01:34:45.270
and one of the books that I got it breaks

1474
01:34:45.310 --> 01:34:47.770
it down by region, and it tells you all the

1475
01:34:47.850 --> 01:34:52.109
edible plants, poisonous plants, what time they grow, what time

1476
01:34:52.689 --> 01:34:54.989
in the springtime they grow, what times in the fall

1477
01:34:55.029 --> 01:35:03.880
that they grow. So, follow the food. If you know

1478
01:35:03.939 --> 01:35:06.600
that these plants are growing a certain time of year,

1479
01:35:07.579 --> 01:35:12.859
and these plants, deer and certain other animals eat, try

1480
01:35:12.880 --> 01:35:15.720
to put yourself in that spot. You know what I'm saying?

1481
01:35:15.739 --> 01:35:18.060
Uh, Oh yeah. Oh yeah.

1482
01:35:18.279 --> 01:35:20.420
That's kind of what I've been working on lately.

1483
01:35:21.100 --> 01:35:22.279
It's, it's really smart.

1484
01:35:22.699 --> 01:35:26.010
Um, this is something, a version of this is something

1485
01:35:26.029 --> 01:35:30.619
I've had multiple hunters tell me, uh, at the, uh,

1486
01:35:30.630 --> 01:35:35.329
Sasquatch Summerfest Oak Ridge Festival. Hunter after hunter have told

1487
01:35:35.350 --> 01:35:38.069
me all you have to do to find Sasquatch in

1488
01:35:38.109 --> 01:35:40.699
this area of the Cascades is know where the elk

1489
01:35:40.760 --> 01:35:44.689
herds are, and follow the elk that's all you gotta

1490
01:35:44.710 --> 01:35:48.609
do and you'll find the Bigfoot it's it seems so

1491
01:35:48.649 --> 01:35:51.510
like easy but it's just like wow this is very

1492
01:35:51.569 --> 01:35:52.470
smart too.

1493
01:35:52.250 --> 01:35:55.970
You know well and you know it's like I've been

1494
01:35:56.010 --> 01:36:04.180
reading the the Albert Otsman Otsman's Albert Otsman's account and

1495
01:36:05.920 --> 01:36:14.789
what I find interesting about that is is you know,

1496
01:36:14.850 --> 01:36:23.140
he describes how these things came in, uh, he, he

1497
01:36:23.180 --> 01:36:31.979
describes when these things get him, uh, not only just, like,

1498
01:36:32.000 --> 01:36:37.119
the location and stuff that they were at being very

1499
01:36:37.199 --> 01:36:39.720
remote and whatnot, like, when they came in and stole

1500
01:36:39.760 --> 01:36:43.350
his stuff, they only stole, like, his prunes and, uh,

1501
01:36:44.279 --> 01:36:49.189
I think macaroni or something like that. But, like, he

1502
01:36:49.250 --> 01:36:52.689
said he never seen them eat meat. And not to

1503
01:36:52.729 --> 01:36:54.310
say that they don't, but he never seen them eat meat.

1504
01:36:54.850 --> 01:36:57.510
But he said that they all had, they worked in, like,

1505
01:36:57.550 --> 01:37:00.649
a family base. He's like, they all had different jobs.

1506
01:37:00.750 --> 01:37:03.470
And he said the mother, when she would go out

1507
01:37:03.789 --> 01:37:07.819
and come back, she had just all this vegetation food

1508
01:37:07.859 --> 01:37:10.439
that they would, you know, eat throughout the day. And

1509
01:37:10.479 --> 01:37:18.359
it was like, so... Obviously, knowing where these places would

1510
01:37:18.399 --> 01:37:23.069
be and where it's at and what time of year

1511
01:37:23.109 --> 01:37:26.729
it's at, you know, they're going to put themselves somewhere

1512
01:37:26.949 --> 01:37:29.489
in that vicinity to where, you know what I mean?

1513
01:37:29.850 --> 01:37:32.229
And then if they do eat meat, which a lot

1514
01:37:32.250 --> 01:37:36.920
of people claim that they do, if they do eat meat,

1515
01:37:37.239 --> 01:37:42.079
then those same animals are going to be going towards

1516
01:37:42.140 --> 01:37:47.850
the same sorts of food. So, it's a win-win, and so,

1517
01:37:48.300 --> 01:37:52.420
you know, it's, like you said, it sounds simpler than

1518
01:37:52.460 --> 01:37:58.840
it is, but that's, you know, Florida's so hot all

1519
01:37:58.880 --> 01:38:01.329
the time that, and there's a very little window to

1520
01:38:01.470 --> 01:38:05.010
do a lot of camping down here, so I take

1521
01:38:05.050 --> 01:38:07.829
a lot of this time, you know, like now, and

1522
01:38:07.909 --> 01:38:11.670
do reading and researching and stuff like that, and So

1523
01:38:12.430 --> 01:38:14.600
I'm kind of trying to open my mind, and I'm

1524
01:38:14.649 --> 01:38:20.699
very open-minded, but, like, it's just trying to just try

1525
01:38:20.760 --> 01:38:24.680
different things, you know. Oh, yeah. So that, you know,

1526
01:38:24.680 --> 01:38:28.819
basically that for me right now, the the newer things

1527
01:38:28.840 --> 01:38:31.899
that I'm going to just start focusing on is trying

1528
01:38:31.939 --> 01:38:34.109
to learn the plants where they're at, what time of

1529
01:38:34.149 --> 01:38:39.489
year and how good of a valuable resource it is. Like,

1530
01:38:40.670 --> 01:38:42.909
is it in abundance? Cause that was one of the

1531
01:38:42.949 --> 01:38:45.260
things I knew about when I was up in Northern

1532
01:38:45.270 --> 01:38:51.609
California along the Klamath river. There's bukus and bukus of

1533
01:38:52.149 --> 01:38:55.689
blackberries all down the river, like everywhere. And to the

1534
01:38:55.729 --> 01:38:57.600
point where a lot of them wouldn't even get in touch,

1535
01:38:57.609 --> 01:39:01.479
there's so many. And I think, you know, the fact

1536
01:39:01.500 --> 01:39:06.439
that they're allowing now the salmon to go back down

1537
01:39:06.479 --> 01:39:09.720
the river, you're going to start seeing a lot more

1538
01:39:09.779 --> 01:39:12.329
in that area pop off because they weren't allowed to

1539
01:39:12.369 --> 01:39:14.430
run salmon for so long. And now that that's a

1540
01:39:14.449 --> 01:39:20.369
thing now, that place, I think, will start, you know, being, being, uh,

1541
01:39:20.569 --> 01:39:24.239
a lot of activity, but it's just finding, you know, uh,

1542
01:39:25.880 --> 01:39:29.560
down here, animals are smaller. I don't know if it's

1543
01:39:29.720 --> 01:39:32.979
just due to the, the way the sun beats down

1544
01:39:33.060 --> 01:39:36.840
on the nutrition all the time, uh, or is it

1545
01:39:37.979 --> 01:39:42.319
they're sweating all the time or whatever, but is it

1546
01:39:42.659 --> 01:39:45.649
a good spot where there's a lot of valuable resources

1547
01:39:45.949 --> 01:39:48.810
in vegetation in this spot, or is it just a little?

1548
01:39:48.949 --> 01:39:51.510
And so that's, that's kind of what I'm trying to

1549
01:39:51.609 --> 01:39:52.210
learn right now.

1550
01:39:52.930 --> 01:39:56.279
That's as a smart, it's a smart skill to, to

1551
01:39:56.319 --> 01:39:59.329
get going, Frank, for sure, man, this has been a,

1552
01:39:59.960 --> 01:40:01.500
a really fun conversation.

1553
01:40:01.539 --> 01:40:01.979
You're a guy.

1554
01:40:02.020 --> 01:40:05.319
I feel like I could talk. We talk hours, man.

1555
01:40:05.340 --> 01:40:07.390
We can hang out. Uh, this has been, this has

1556
01:40:07.430 --> 01:40:10.890
been a fun time, but, uh, Dude, it's one of

1557
01:40:10.909 --> 01:40:12.949
the ones I will listen to a few times. There's

1558
01:40:12.989 --> 01:40:17.550
a lot of good stuff that you shared. But can

1559
01:40:17.609 --> 01:40:23.260
you take a minute? I think it might be interesting.

1560
01:40:24.300 --> 01:40:29.479
I know there's people that are curious. Kind of run through,

1561
01:40:29.500 --> 01:40:34.260
how do you get set up with not only BFRO,

1562
01:40:34.800 --> 01:40:39.560
but Todd and Charlie? Because you've signed up for all

1563
01:40:40.020 --> 01:40:42.000
three of them.

1564
01:40:44.470 --> 01:40:47.029
The Todd one was funny. I just went on his,

1565
01:40:47.810 --> 01:40:50.229
you know, at that time, I'm not sure if he's

1566
01:40:50.270 --> 01:40:53.640
still doing it. I'm pretty sure he still does it.

1567
01:40:57.989 --> 01:41:00.399
I would go when he's doing a live stream and

1568
01:41:00.439 --> 01:41:03.100
just start commenting in the comments. Hey, you know, and

1569
01:41:03.119 --> 01:41:06.789
I just... keep at it. And then Charlie was a

1570
01:41:06.789 --> 01:41:13.699
little more easy to, to get in touch with because of, uh, uh,

1571
01:41:15.359 --> 01:41:20.340
you know, he actually hosts events, you know, and stuff. Right. Uh,

1572
01:41:20.439 --> 01:41:23.960
but Todd, Todd was a little more, you know, he does,

1573
01:41:24.060 --> 01:41:26.970
but he's not advertising it as much as like, you know,

1574
01:41:27.010 --> 01:41:30.510
Charlie and some of the BFRO ones, uh, you know,

1575
01:41:30.529 --> 01:41:33.989
like Miguel, I've reached out to Miguel and, and, uh, Alex,

1576
01:41:34.609 --> 01:41:36.350
I can't think how to say his last name. The

1577
01:41:36.390 --> 01:41:40.569
guy from, uh, small town monsters, like Alex Petikoff. Yeah.

1578
01:41:41.050 --> 01:41:43.590
Like he just, he just sent me a message just

1579
01:41:43.609 --> 01:41:47.350
a second ago. And, uh, a lot of it's just

1580
01:41:47.390 --> 01:41:50.810
been trying to reach through, uh, when they're doing a

1581
01:41:50.850 --> 01:41:56.140
live feed and, and really try and, and I've been

1582
01:41:56.189 --> 01:42:00.789
fortunate enough to where they've responded. And, uh, You know,

1583
01:42:01.649 --> 01:42:03.250
will I ever get a chance to go out with

1584
01:42:03.310 --> 01:42:06.310
Alec and them? I don't know. The Sailor Sasquatch people,

1585
01:42:06.369 --> 01:42:09.109
same thing. I reached out to them a few times and,

1586
01:42:09.689 --> 01:42:14.159
you know, I probably bombarded Sarah with a long text

1587
01:42:14.859 --> 01:42:19.460
because I'm one of these people. I've been in it

1588
01:42:19.520 --> 01:42:23.920
long enough now to understand the group in general. You

1589
01:42:23.939 --> 01:42:25.239
know what I mean? Oh, yeah.

1590
01:42:25.359 --> 01:42:25.659
Oh, yeah.

1591
01:42:26.319 --> 01:42:30.359
I try to give a description of myself. And that

1592
01:42:30.399 --> 01:42:33.039
I'm not trying to get on there to be filmed

1593
01:42:33.640 --> 01:42:36.100
just to be filmed. I don't care about that. If

1594
01:42:36.220 --> 01:42:39.609
we go out and you film, it is what it is.

1595
01:42:39.789 --> 01:42:42.609
But if we go out and you don't film, I'm

1596
01:42:43.489 --> 01:42:45.710
not there to be filmed. I'm there to learn and

1597
01:42:46.069 --> 01:42:51.569
experience this area. And so I try to give a

1598
01:42:51.609 --> 01:42:55.680
background on myself. Just give them an idea of who

1599
01:42:55.779 --> 01:43:01.829
I am personally because... Sometimes meeting strangers sucks because, you know.

1600
01:43:01.850 --> 01:43:04.510
Yeah, no, I get it. I get it. Yeah.

1601
01:43:05.329 --> 01:43:10.289
So hopefully in one day, because I would love to

1602
01:43:10.329 --> 01:43:11.850
go to Washington and Oregon.

1603
01:43:12.130 --> 01:43:13.869
You got to. You really got to, dude.

1604
01:43:14.329 --> 01:43:16.909
And I knew you've been to, you go to Oregon

1605
01:43:16.970 --> 01:43:18.750
every year or have been going to Oregon.

1606
01:43:18.949 --> 01:43:21.189
I try to. The years I don't have cancer.

1607
01:43:21.220 --> 01:43:21.300
Yeah.

1608
01:43:24.739 --> 01:43:30.170
Yeah right who knew um yeah i haven't gotten to

1609
01:43:30.210 --> 01:43:32.470
washington yet but oregon two times yeah.

1610
01:43:32.689 --> 01:43:35.310
Well see like that's those are two states that i

1611
01:43:35.350 --> 01:43:40.449
want to go to after uh reading uh lyle blackburn

1612
01:43:40.529 --> 01:43:47.279
some of his books east texas southeast oklahoma arkansas those

1613
01:43:47.359 --> 01:43:49.960
are places i've been wanting to go to i want

1614
01:43:49.979 --> 01:43:54.569
to i really want to go up into uh The Northeast,

1615
01:43:54.649 --> 01:43:56.840
because I don't think that place gets enough attention.

1616
01:43:56.850 --> 01:43:58.039
No, I don't think it does.

1617
01:43:58.060 --> 01:43:58.300
Yeah.

1618
01:43:58.880 --> 01:44:01.039
And the only person I've been able to really find

1619
01:44:01.119 --> 01:44:09.100
out there is the Adirondack Bigfoot. And, you know, and

1620
01:44:09.380 --> 01:44:11.939
if they reach back to me, great. If not, I'm

1621
01:44:11.970 --> 01:44:15.369
going to go regardless. But it's I would like to

1622
01:44:15.409 --> 01:44:18.029
be able to come in contact with people that can

1623
01:44:18.069 --> 01:44:20.449
kind of point me in a direction where saying, hey,

1624
01:44:21.050 --> 01:44:24.479
whether it's with them or not with them. here's a

1625
01:44:24.510 --> 01:44:29.250
good spot if you're interested. Uh, and you know, people

1626
01:44:29.329 --> 01:44:31.510
are tricky about letting you into their areas too.

1627
01:44:32.029 --> 01:44:35.229
So, Oh, there's a whole trust thing. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah.

1628
01:44:35.329 --> 01:44:36.069
I totally get it.

1629
01:44:36.220 --> 01:44:36.399
Yep.

1630
01:44:36.800 --> 01:44:39.899
Oh, I mean, I try to, I try to, cause

1631
01:44:39.960 --> 01:44:42.680
a lot of these people don't really do expeditions or

1632
01:44:43.239 --> 01:44:45.880
if they do anything like that, besides like the BFRO

1633
01:44:45.920 --> 01:44:51.369
and KBRO and, uh, you know, it's usually private ones. So,

1634
01:44:51.590 --> 01:44:55.989
and then once they're private, It's kind of like if

1635
01:44:56.010 --> 01:44:58.289
you're in the know or in the group, then you

1636
01:44:58.329 --> 01:45:01.189
get invited each time they go out. So, you know,

1637
01:45:01.229 --> 01:45:04.930
there's not really new people in there. So I try

1638
01:45:04.970 --> 01:45:07.630
to talk. I try to reach out to people and

1639
01:45:09.510 --> 01:45:11.939
just stay humble as I can and say, look. I

1640
01:45:11.979 --> 01:45:14.119
would be very interested in trying to learn.

1641
01:45:14.260 --> 01:45:16.920
Frank, this has been, this has been a really fun conversation.

1642
01:45:16.939 --> 01:45:19.819
I would say, I know you're going to keep me

1643
01:45:19.859 --> 01:45:22.680
up to date with stuff because you're, you send me some,

1644
01:45:22.859 --> 01:45:26.789
some amazing emails. So I do appreciate, I appreciate you

1645
01:45:26.810 --> 01:45:31.350
doing that. But keep us in the loop with what's

1646
01:45:31.390 --> 01:45:35.630
going on. If you do get out to Washington, Oregon,

1647
01:45:35.649 --> 01:45:39.569
would love to, would love to, to hear about that.

1648
01:45:39.909 --> 01:45:44.239
Is there, so you've, you've got the podcast. Are there

1649
01:45:44.300 --> 01:45:47.260
any things that you want listeners to make sure that

1650
01:45:47.800 --> 01:45:51.199
they know they can follow you or reach out to you?

1651
01:45:51.239 --> 01:45:52.010
Anything like that?

1652
01:45:53.109 --> 01:45:57.970
Well, you can use, uh, F Middleton 33 at yahoo.com. Uh,

1653
01:45:59.210 --> 01:46:05.149
you know, I'm part of the Squatch in Florida group.

1654
01:46:05.369 --> 01:46:07.409
I'm not always out with them when they go out,

1655
01:46:07.789 --> 01:46:11.140
you know, you can reach out to them. Uh, Me

1656
01:46:11.199 --> 01:46:14.920
and Richard Fraberry, Richard reached out to me and asked

1657
01:46:14.939 --> 01:46:17.079
me if I would do it, and I told him

1658
01:46:17.140 --> 01:46:21.579
I would, and he's a good dude, and he's got

1659
01:46:21.600 --> 01:46:24.149
a lot of knowledge and has a lot of contacts

1660
01:46:24.189 --> 01:46:28.189
with people, and so I'm starting to get in with that.

1661
01:46:28.470 --> 01:46:34.939
So Sasquatch Unredacted and Squatch in Florida, and eventually... Me

1662
01:46:34.979 --> 01:46:38.439
and a girl named Leah Obladi, she's the girl that

1663
01:46:38.479 --> 01:46:41.029
got me into tracking. We're going to try to start

1664
01:46:41.090 --> 01:46:45.010
a thing. It's not going to be entirely just based

1665
01:46:45.029 --> 01:46:50.479
on Bigfoot or whatever. It's going to be involved with Bigfoot,

1666
01:46:50.500 --> 01:46:52.979
but it's also going to have tracking, you know, just

1667
01:46:53.539 --> 01:47:01.100
teaching tracks and learning tracking or just showing tracking and how...

1668
01:47:02.510 --> 01:47:06.050
just being out and just showing, just tracking videos and

1669
01:47:06.670 --> 01:47:10.850
include Sasquatch involved with it. And eventually, once that becomes

1670
01:47:10.909 --> 01:47:15.689
a thing, I'll let you know about that. But right now,

1671
01:47:15.789 --> 01:47:20.640
just Sasquatch Unredacted and Squatch in Florida. And you can

1672
01:47:20.840 --> 01:47:28.640
use fmiddleton33 at yahoo.com. And, you know, hopefully we'll link

1673
01:47:28.720 --> 01:47:32.840
up there. Jeremiah, it's always been a pleasure, man. You,

1674
01:47:33.069 --> 01:47:35.329
you was the first guy I reached out to when

1675
01:47:35.369 --> 01:47:39.109
I got into this and you've always had a special

1676
01:47:39.149 --> 01:47:41.289
spot there for me.

1677
01:47:43.949 --> 01:47:46.489
Well, we will, we will keep in touch, Frank, of course,

1678
01:47:46.529 --> 01:47:48.390
and we'll, we'll touch base with you in the future.

1679
01:47:48.470 --> 01:47:50.510
Thank you so much for coming on the show there.

1680
01:47:51.130 --> 01:47:52.439
Yes, sir, man. God bless. Bye.

1681
01:47:53.520 --> 01:47:55.779
Before we wrap this episode, I want to say something

1682
01:47:55.859 --> 01:47:59.100
directly to a very specific group of listeners. If you're

1683
01:47:59.119 --> 01:48:02.829
in the military, any branch or forces, and if you've

1684
01:48:02.869 --> 01:48:05.760
seen something that no one can explain, or if you're

1685
01:48:05.779 --> 01:48:09.000
a national park ranger or forestry worker who's been told

1686
01:48:09.039 --> 01:48:12.479
to stay quiet, if you're a pilot who's seen something

1687
01:48:12.539 --> 01:48:16.149
strange down on the ground, or if you're with the FBI,

1688
01:48:16.289 --> 01:48:19.810
a federal agency, or working intelligence, and you stumbled upon

1689
01:48:19.890 --> 01:48:22.569
something you're not allowed to talk about, and if you're

1690
01:48:22.590 --> 01:48:26.189
a firefighter, paramedic, or search and rescue responder who's heard

1691
01:48:26.260 --> 01:48:29.779
screams or found tracks that didn't make sense, if you're

1692
01:48:29.800 --> 01:48:33.560
in the logging industry on a remote oil field or

1693
01:48:33.579 --> 01:48:36.960
a trucker with government contracts, and you've had something happen

1694
01:48:37.680 --> 01:48:40.770
that you've never told a soul, And if you're a biologist,

1695
01:48:40.890 --> 01:48:44.720
a wildlife specialist, or a field researcher under contract who

1696
01:48:44.760 --> 01:48:48.119
has found evidence you're not allowed to report, if you're

1697
01:48:48.140 --> 01:48:51.300
a pastor, a missionary, or someone on a spiritual retreat

1698
01:48:51.880 --> 01:48:54.640
and you saw something that shook your faith, or if

1699
01:48:54.680 --> 01:48:58.619
you work in the shadows, CIA, NSA, or anything with clearance,

1700
01:48:59.239 --> 01:49:02.920
and you've seen what the public hasn't, then I want

1701
01:49:03.000 --> 01:49:07.859
to talk to you. Even if it's anonymous, you can

1702
01:49:07.920 --> 01:49:10.970
reach me. Thank you for listening to this episode of

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1714
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1725
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And see you in the woods.