Feb. 12, 2026

He Spent Decades in Oregon’s Bigfoot Highway But the Woods Started Talking Back

He Spent Decades in Oregon’s Bigfoot Highway But the Woods Started Talking Back
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Season 1

In this episode, we explore the long and deeply rooted experiences of Joe Beelart, a veteran Bigfoot researcher who has spent decades investigating some of the most active regions of the Pacific Northwest. From the forests south of Corvallis to the remote stretches of the Oregon Bigfoot Highway, Joe shares stories shaped by years of repeated visits to the same locations. His journey moves through the upper Clackamas Valley, the Gifford Pinchot National Forest, Skookum Meadows, and the rugged terrain surrounding Mount Hood, where patterns began to emerge over time. Through nights spent camping alone, encounters reported by others, and physical evidence found in meadows, creek beds, and old rock quarries, Joe paints a grounded and methodical picture of ongoing Bigfoot activity across Oregon and southern Washington. Join us as we follow his experiences across forests, mountains, and watersheds where something continues to leave its mark on the landscape.

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You're listening to Big for Society, and I'm Jeremiah Byron.

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In this show, we go beyond the campfire stories to

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bring you first hand encounters from people who say they've

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seen something impossible. From backwoods trails and remote mountain haulers

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to quiet farms and crowded highways. The stories come from everywhere,

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and each one leaves us with more questions than answers.

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These are the voices of the people who've lived it.

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To settle in, because today you'll hear another account that

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just might change the way you see the woods forever.

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So stay with us, all right, Big for Society. You've

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got the privilege of talking to mister Joe Beelert today.

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Joe is one of the authors of the book The

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Oregon Bigfoot Highway. Co author was Cliff Olsen, and it

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is one of the best. It's one of my favorite

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Bigfoot books. And it's a pleasure to have you on

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the show today. Joe, how are you doing today, sir?

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I'm doing good. I got a little cold yesterday, so

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my voice is a little worse, but I say your

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audience will still be able to hear me.

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All right, Oh yeah, well, we will definitely have no

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problem there. But you know, Joe, as I said, this

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book is so incredibly the way it's written and the

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information in it. I mean, if a bigfooter doesn't have

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it on their bookshelf, even if they don't live in Oregon,

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I mean, they need to have it on their bookshelf.

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It is really, really that good. There's so many amazing

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stories in it. But you know, someone who has you

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go all over the place. You go to well, of

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course the organon Big Fa Highway, which is esticated down

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to Detroit on on Oregon Scenic Byway number five of course,

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and then you've got you do mount Hood stuff, you

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do Gilbert Bincho, So you are all over the place,

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back through the years. But you know, let's start with this, Joe,

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what was it that got you into this field to

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begin with? And how far back does did that go?

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Well? I I don't really like to talk about it,

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but one Christmas afternoon, late in the day, my nephews

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and I were driving around looking for deer out in

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the out in the forest of the foot of the

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the south of Cortalis, and we came around the corner

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and there's a blowdown and we're driving a full sized

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Bronco and and I said, boys, look at the bear,

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and dang bear stood up and looked at us, and

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it's only about twenty five feet away, and took two

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steps out of the blowdown and walked off into the

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forest on two legs. Very disconcerting. I have a considerable

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amount of timing training when I was in the service,

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and it was lasted about fifteen to twenty seconds, and

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then I just put it away because you don't really

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want to see a big, hairy, naked man in the rain,

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out in the middle of the forest. And I just

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told the boys it was a big bear. And I

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just sat on it for many years. And we had

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a branch up in North Portland, and I was just

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walking down the street, Lombard Street one day and waiting

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for I don't know what I was done doing whatever

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I was doing at the branch, and I came up

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on his bookstores. It was ray Crow's bookstore, used bookstore,

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and I went in and he had a bunch of

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bigfoot stuff there, and so I bought some of it

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and left, and I came back in the next time.

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I was up about three weeks later and went back

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in his bookstore and bought some more stuff, and the

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third time I went in he had a copy at

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John Green's book with a dust cover, a real nice copy,

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and he wanted fifty dollars for it, and to him

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that was a huge amount to Ray, and I plumped

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down fifty bucks and that made that finally made him

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mad enough. He goes, what are you doing? Why are

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you so interested and this stuff? And I said, well,

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I I really am just interested, and he says, welcome

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to one of our meetings. And the first meeting I

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went to was in his basement. I was the fire

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marshall closed it down. Uh finally uh because of lack

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of exits. And then we went over to Dad's and

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I got to know and some of the people and

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they were they were good people. They weren't doctor Lloyd

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SIPs for instance. They retired veterinarian. I enjoyed him Bill Uh,

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I can't remember his last name right now, Bill Harper

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natural and he's a naturalist, Uh, very big on h

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on being outdoors and natural foods. And finally I met

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mister Peter Byrn and he came to one of the meetings,

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and Peter and I hit it off fairly well, although

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Peter had a kind of a unique personality, and I

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had been around the horn enough that I kind of

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recognized it. But he and I, you know, I've I've

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been to I've been to his house. I spent three

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nights with him, just investigating one sighting. Anyway, I finally

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did a presentation and learned that I enjoyed to hear

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myself talk a little bit, and I have since done

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about eighty a little over eighty presentations I did every

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year at Home Valley when they were having that festival,

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there was eight, eight or nine of those. I once

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spoke in front of a theater that somebody had read it,

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and we had a guy in a bigfoot costume running

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around behind me, and that caused and we had some

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sheets out and colored sheets, and that caused the audience

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to get really happy. The presentation part was very little

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of what I did. I finally decided to I went

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out after I retired. My high nights out in an

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unimproved campground was twenty three. This last year when I

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fell down the stairs and the heart valve replaced toe distress,

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I was only out three nights and on improved campground

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this year, I'm projecting going back up into the ten

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to fifteen range, I hope, and I've I worked the

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Oregon Bigfoot Highway. I wrote the book. Cliff Olsen lived

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up there for thirteen years and worked up there for

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a total of about fifteen or sixteen years when he

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worked for Portland General Electric and he lived in the

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heart of the forest at Ripplebrook when they have a

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permanent facility up there. And so he introduced me to

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Native Americans, to loggers. We had one lawyer that popped

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up who happened to be a Native American, incidentally. And

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then I went over in the Gifford pinchhow believe it

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or not, it's easier to drive. It's faster to drive

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up to the Gifford pinchhow than it is to get

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up to the upper Clackamas Valley, because you got Highway

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eighty four, a Freeway eighty four, and then you got

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a straight shot up to Loan Vite. And so I've

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spent a bunch of nights out up in the Gifford

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pinchhow one night there was a BFRO expedition down in

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the Lewis River Canyon, and I didn't want to go

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down there. So Tom Powell was along and Steve Kylie,

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and they went down to join the ex editions such

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as it was. They're chomping around the bushes and one

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came around behind me. We were camping in an old

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rock quarry, an old log landing, and there was a

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little ridge above us, and I had a fire going

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and I was just sitting by the fire, enjoying the evening,

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and one came out of the bushes and walked up

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behind me, and I was listening to it. Had I

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spent a lot of time out when I was in

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the Marine Corps at night. And also I grew up

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in Nebraska where we did not have TV because there

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wasn't a TV transmitter that got to us. We didn't

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even have a telephone until I was fourteen because of

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phone company didn't run a line out to a single ranch.

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So I learned to walk at night and enjoy the

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night time. And so I became immediately attuned to this thing.

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And it kicked a little rock and it rolled down

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right behind me, and I had my three point fifty

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seven there, and I just I just I just grisped,

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grasp but I didn't I didn't particularly want to do

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anything with it. Shooting somebody is a terrible, terrible thing.

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And the thing walked around through the off to the

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off to the west, went through the brush, went down

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by the road, walked back from west to east on

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the old gravel logging road and was gone. And when

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Steve and Tom came back, they said, I had every flashlight,

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every lantern that we had. It was all lit up.

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We were in this big bungalow tent and they on

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zipped it and I immediately roared to my feet, as

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you should do when you're startled at night. And anyway,

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they got kind of a half laugh out of it,

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but not too much of it. And in the next

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day we found all the footprints and they were about

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sixteen and a half inches. We found a number of them.

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That area was so little used. I went up there

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and camped one more time, twice more times by myself.

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Being alone is a good thing with these things, because

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they don't feel so threatened, I don't think. And I

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brought up some wood for campfire, and that wood was

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still laying there three years later when I went up,

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the hunters hadn't even burned. So that's one episode in

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the Gifford Pincho. We also camped over by schook Of Meadows,

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of famous scuok Of Meadows. I've camped over there numerous times.

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Have you had anything happen in Schuoka Meadows.

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Yes, we had two sightings there by other people, and

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Tom Powell was along on one. A college professor was

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along on one, and the college professor brought along a

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graduate student who was about rady to get his PhD.

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And this is an amusing story to me. The graduate

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student wanted to get a taste of the wilderness. So

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he had gone down to some outfitting store and said,

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give me a give me a sleeping bag and you know,

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whatever else I needed, and some pants and some hat

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and a tint and it was a mesh tint. And

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he camped about a quarter air mile away from us,

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about a little over a third of a mile by

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logging road. And the first night when we woke up

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and we had breakfast, he came in and he just

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looked terrible, just just awful, And we didn't give it

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much thought, you know, you know, his first night out

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in the forest, and you know, they're owls and all

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that stuff. And the second night he came out and

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he just looked really terrible. Next morning for breakfast, I mean,

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he couldn't even hardly hold a cup, he was so tired.

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And we go, well, what's going on, what why are

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you not sleeping? And he goes, well, he's a pretty

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tall guy. And he says, these guys showed me a

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sleeping bag, and my feet stick out and they get cold,

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and he says, and besides, every night, about two in

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the morning, this thing comes by and stands over my

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tent and blocks out the moon, and it breathes, It

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breathes heavily, and then it walks off into the forest,

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into the in the meadows, Scuka meadows. All he said

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was we Tom and Steve and I jumping our truck

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and roared off back there. And sure enough, coming out

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of what's called the Crazy Hills, there were sixteen and

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a half inch tracks. And they walked up right along

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where this guy's tent was and and stopped there and

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walked around and smashed the grass. But there was enough

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imprints that we could see him. And this was fairly

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close to where later the Scuokum cast was taken. Anyway,

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the third night, we got together some blankets and made

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sure he was comfortable and he slept all night long.

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He thought the thing came by and we checked the tit,

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We checked the we checked the ground around it, and

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it did have it did have fresh footprints. Again. This

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was only about a half a mile from where the

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famous Spookham cast was taken. This would have been about

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two thousand and five or six. I can't remember that

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particular PhD. He has capped out with me four, if

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not five times in various places because he likes to

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get a break away from his academic world. At one

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time I had eight PhDs on my call list, most

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of them one was a wildlife biologist in Florida who

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got interested in the swamp ape of all things. And

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he got a hold of me, and you know, he

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basically said, like all of them, did you know, let

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us know if you find something. Uh. Since then three

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of them have passed. Uh. They they did not want

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to have their names sullied by Bigfoot. They tended to

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be retirees and older. Uh, older retirees. Anyway, Mike, Mike

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is he comes out once a year and uh and

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and sometimes he goes out with a B F R O.

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And sometimes he goes out with me and and there's others,

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but UH going into the UH into the Oregon Bigfoot Highway,

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that was a pretty unique experience because we could we

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could uh, we could research in depth and repeatedly go

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into one area. And we also had observers out including

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in my book, there's four different Forest Service employees that

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gave us information, one of which I unfortunately insulted. He

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was first off reluctant to talk about Bigfoot, even though

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he kind of knew they were there. And then he

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told me they there was a big barn back when

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they were using horses to restock the lookout towers, the

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old lookout towers that they had stationed all over the place,

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and they used horses and packs and all that. And

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he said, do was we put in elk feed, which

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was a combination of it was molasses and viewed rye grass.

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I think, and I'm very familiar with rye grass because

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I worked my way through high school and college on

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combine cruise. And I go, oh. He says, they come

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in and they open up the sacks and they eat

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the stuff. And I go, oh, man, that's one of

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the wildest stories I've ever heard. You can't expect me

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to believe that and made him mad, really upset, and

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I go, boy, I got to calm this guy down.

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I mean, oh, and I got him calmed down. I

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just I mean, think about it, you know, bigfoot opening

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a door and tearing open a feed sack for elk

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with elk feed and eating it. And he goes, yeah,

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I guess it is kind of wild. Later, we camped

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in that area and we found I took two guys out.

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One was a filmer. He's filmed a number of documentaries

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and feature films and is well known into the secondary

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film business. And I took him out there and we

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explored around and we found a little green bottle and

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I took very good care of it, and I sent

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it to Jimmy Shilcut, who was a policeman outside of Houston,

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Texas who was interested in the bigfoot phenomena and he

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was getting towards retirement, and he took off fingerprints off

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that bottle that were either made with pig skin gloves

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or an onnon primate source. And he wouldn't say it

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was an onknown primate source except to offer that as

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an alternative. And also in that area, we put out offerings.

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Offerings are good you don't want to. You don't want

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to put out bananas. They go bad pretty fast, but

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scores and that kind of stuff goes good. And we

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put out on a big fallen log about about a

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half a mile from the barn, across a crick We

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put out cat food in those little cans, and one

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day we went over there to check the cat food,

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and sure enough it had been eaten. And the cans

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were still sitting there along the log, which indicates that

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they weren't eaten by a bear or a raccoon or

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something like that, because they were cleaned out, but they

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were still sitting there in a line. But down by

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the creek there was a beautiful footprint about seventeen inches long,

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absolutely beautiful, and the guy with a film, the film

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and his friend alex As Blake echered as who it was.

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The filmer and his friend alex they got so excited

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over this footprint they slid into it and we can

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only take we can only take a casting of the

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of the fork on the front part of the foot

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Oh I disgusted. Oh man, I mean it was absolutely

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beautiful footprint. Wow.

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Yeah, any that kind of stuff anyway.

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Yeah, offerings are good I'm looking over at my h.

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One thing they like out there is boiled corn. Corn

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boiled in salt water, and they like that salt water taste.

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They do not like corn with with butter on it.

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We think the butter turns for ancid and and I've

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got several stories about corn corn h You know, you

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peel back a little bit of corn when and you

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want to find the ears with a little handle on them.

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And they liked that little handle and they'll peel it

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back and eat and I uh Warner hnt Warner hinter

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finner Dock. He was a primate theologist at the Oregon

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Primate Center and uh he analyzed some of it and

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he said, no, this is this is this is primate eating.

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But it's it's not anything like we have. And it

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was nice and straight lines and this is this is

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one example. And the uh the that particular offering, the

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cord husk was left over by the fire pit, which

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was about a quarter of a mile from where it

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was left up in the hill up in the mountain,

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up mountain. Yeah. Henter was quite a guy. He was

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very He used to come to the to the ray

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crow meetings too. His wife and my wife both dislike

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big footing with a passion. But one night I was

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out with Sharon and we were sleeping out in the

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back of the truck open you want to sleep out

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in the back of the truck or on a cot

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or something that's open, so they can see you, and

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they'll walk around you and they'll look at you. And

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one morning we woke up and sure enough, coming up

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out of the forest walking up the hill, we're about

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seventeen inch long tracks, and it circled our truck, my

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full size tundra, and and uh obviously looked at us

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why we were sleeping. I can go on and on

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about about various escapade. One night we were up at

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the what we call the New Rock Quarry and there

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were three ice chests in a row, and I had

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already been up there. It was one of my favorite

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places to go, especially alone. And one time I had

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a walking stick leaned up against the door hinge of

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the truck and the walking and in the morning it

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was a gravel area and it was just absolutely pitch

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your esque with with a little little seasonal lake walls,

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beautiful pint fining maples, and my walking stick was gone,

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and I didn't. I wanted it. I needed I like

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a walking stick, and I started looking around the quarry

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and I found a game trail where the deer had

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come down and the deer used it, And that walking

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stick was about one hundred and fifty yards up that

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game trail. Something had picked it up off the side

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of my truck and taken it up there and walked off.

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We later found sixteen and a half inch and fifty

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and fifteen inch tracks up there. That was. That is

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a good place. But the big fires. There were terrible,

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big fires in what was it twenty in twenty twenty two,

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and they've wiped out quite a bit of that habitat

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there is. Interestingly enough, there was a lake over the

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top of Thunder Mountain and down the This is at

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the base of Thunder Mountain, or part of part of

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the base of it. It's called Scukum Lake.

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Yes, because Franzoni used to go there a lot, right.

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Oh yeah, Franzoni, Oh yeah, I can. Oh, my great

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friend Henry Franzoni. Anyway, he used to go up there.

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But there used to be a road into the to

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the lake. That's been since then. The Forest Service has

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deconstructed it, but that's a hard hike in over the

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top and then back up again. There's another criek in

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that area that's called ogre O g r E Crick

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and it was a it was a creek that was

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named by the surveyors that went up through there. You

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can only imagine what. And they were surveying for the

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timber company or the timber harvest. But this was when

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it was still a virgin timber. And I interviewed a

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a architect, a retired architect, and he told when he

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was a he was a youth and they walked into

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a place called Round Lake, which was in the area,

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and about in the night time before they went to bed,

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they saw a tree stump out in the water. Well,

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when they got up, the tree stump was gone. And

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one of the three of them was not feeling well,

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so he stayed in camp and one came around and

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started throwing rocks and raising hell, and the other two

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were out an inflatable raft and they they came back

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in and he was all upset. So they it was

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a long walk in and a long hike out, and

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when they hiked out, the forest service was there because

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they the Forest Service lookout towers had spot of fire

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and they were pretty upset that these kids were building

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the fire up there. So anyway, that's just another story.

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I don't want to bore your audience with too much

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of too many stories. But when I started to get

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into this thing, I decided to make an acquaintance and

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I was a regular correspondent with mister John Green. I

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met Reneeda Hendon and Larry LUN's basement for two and

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a half hours, and he let us look through his projector.

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Steve and I at the Bluff Crick film his version

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of it, and neither one of us managed to get through.

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It was so vivid compared to what you see on TV,

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but neither one of us managed to get through in

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two and a half hours. All the way through the

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film the frames, Renee was very interested in what we

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were doing, and he was very polite and very nice.

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I think his reputation was gained because if you insult anybody,

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they're gonna be unhappy with you. And I think to

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us he couldn't have been more cordial and informative, and

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he wanted us to keep him advised and to also come.

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He invited us up to his house in his trailer

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in British Columbia, John Green. I have a nice thick

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file on Green, and he wanted to know what we

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were doing and why. There's a number of other people

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that that you couldn't ask me about, and I possibly

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know them.

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There's one person actually I do want to ask you

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specifically about. He's come up already. He was alluded to.

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So in your book, you have a whole section of

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people in the back, the clacamus Esquatcheans, which are the

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individuals that would you guys would all hang out together

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or you would be doing research and you'd spend a

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certain amount of time out in the woods each year. Correct.

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Yes, and to become a capture a Clockamus, a Squatchian,

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and it still holds true, you got to spend two

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hundred hours feet on the ground, not driving around, and

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all those people met that criteria. And Henry Franzoni was

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he was a great friend of mine. He was he

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was taken from us way too soon.

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I agree. That's actually who I was going to bring up.

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Do you have any any stories or memories you can

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share of maybe times you guys were out and you

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had something happen or anything like that.

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Oh, Henry and I were out numerous times, several times.

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And one thing that he he told me about, and

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it was it happened to him and his girlfriend was

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he was up in the Memluse, which means place of evil.

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According was, I can't remember the dialect that transferates into

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his place of evil, and the uh the he he

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he he saw a and I think he's documented this someplace.

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He saw a cyndrical spaceship emerged from the rock. And

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I've been to this place and it's a big rock wall.

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And it hovered over the over the forest for a

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little bit and then departed to the southwest at a

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great rate of speed. And it had it it was

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a shape somewhat like an ice cream cone, and it

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had an orange flame for lack of a better word,

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towards its rear end. Well, Henry, that caused Henry a

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great deal of interest. So he went back up there

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a couple more times, and he brought his wife along,

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and he came upon one day. He parked and he

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got out of his van and he walked down the road,

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and he came upon a white vehicle, which was an

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unusual make, he said, and there were three people around it,

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and two of them were men, slender men dressed like

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men in black, and the third one was a slender

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woman in a red dress with bright red lipstick, but

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her face was pale. They indicated to him. He did

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not hear them talk, but they talked to him in

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his mind, and they told him to get out of

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here now. Now. That is not the first time we've

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heard those words, get out of here now. And he

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and his wife decided it was time to beat feet,

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so they went up. They went up to their van,

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and it was late in the day and so they

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didn't want to drive out, so they spent the night

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there and it was uneventful night. But he told me

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that that story at least three times and it never waivers.

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Yeah, absolutely, I think he's actually I had him on

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the show a few times, and I believe he shared

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almost same exact thing, Like the details are very very

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pretty much dead on. Yeah.

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Yeah, Well, I I never have liked the Memoris and

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I've gone through it and I've walked the area in

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the daytime, but I've never camped there. I just I

460
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just don't like the place. One time, Steve Kylie and

461
00:39:25.440 --> 00:39:30.400
I before he unfortunately passed I have. I have a

462
00:39:30.440 --> 00:39:35.639
real bad tendency to associate with people that passed too early.

463
00:39:38.239 --> 00:39:43.079
He and I went up to to the to the

464
00:39:43.119 --> 00:39:46.800
Clackham was the up there the memo the Color Wars

465
00:39:46.920 --> 00:39:58.880
drainage and he uh, he and I separated and we

466
00:39:59.000 --> 00:40:02.480
were going up Pete Creek and Rush Creek, I think

467
00:40:02.519 --> 00:40:05.079
it was. I can't remember the other name. Pete Creek

468
00:40:05.199 --> 00:40:09.760
is one of them. And we were separated from each other.

469
00:40:09.800 --> 00:40:14.960
It was May, and we were out of shouting distance.

470
00:40:15.639 --> 00:40:18.480
But we were going up to a upper logging road

471
00:40:19.440 --> 00:40:23.000
and then making a circle back to the truck on

472
00:40:23.039 --> 00:40:29.119
a logging road. We were going about fifteen or twenty

473
00:40:29.199 --> 00:40:37.239
minutes and I came out in the forest and I

474
00:40:37.280 --> 00:40:42.679
had my three point fifty seven on and a water bottle,

475
00:40:43.559 --> 00:40:46.920
and I took off my web belt and passed it

476
00:40:46.960 --> 00:40:51.519
in the back of the truck. And here comes Steve

477
00:40:53.000 --> 00:40:58.199
off of his It was like a big V and

478
00:40:58.280 --> 00:41:00.960
we were down at the basemin of V and he

479
00:41:01.039 --> 00:41:06.280
comes out of the forest and passes is. He was

480
00:41:06.320 --> 00:41:14.800
carrying a forty five seventy marl and I think it was,

481
00:41:15.719 --> 00:41:21.639
and he puts it behind the seat and we get

482
00:41:21.679 --> 00:41:25.400
in the truck and we drive off and we drive

483
00:41:25.679 --> 00:41:30.000
all the way past Ripplebrook, all the way past Ripplebrook,

484
00:41:30.760 --> 00:41:36.679
about twelve miles, and then he says, did you hear

485
00:41:36.719 --> 00:41:42.840
anything up there? And I go, yeah, something told me

486
00:41:44.000 --> 00:41:49.639
to leave here now. And he said, that's what it

487
00:41:49.719 --> 00:41:57.519
told me, leave here now. And we didn't say another word.

488
00:41:57.639 --> 00:42:01.639
We didn't. We were to esticatea and and stopped and

489
00:42:01.719 --> 00:42:06.519
got a bottle of pop or something before we even

490
00:42:06.519 --> 00:42:09.960
said another word. It was it was, it was. It

491
00:42:10.000 --> 00:42:15.960
was stunning, it was startling. And we went back up there.

492
00:42:17.239 --> 00:42:19.159
We went back up what go ahead?

493
00:42:19.239 --> 00:42:21.800
Oh, I just wanted to clarify real quick. So did

494
00:42:21.840 --> 00:42:25.840
you hear that verbally out loud or was that telepathically

495
00:42:25.920 --> 00:42:26.320
inside you?

496
00:42:26.400 --> 00:42:28.840
No, it was in, it was in. It was in

497
00:42:28.880 --> 00:42:35.320
my mind. Wow. And and it was in his mind too.

498
00:42:35.400 --> 00:42:38.199
He did not hear it verbally out route. And then

499
00:42:38.199 --> 00:42:41.599
we went back up there and we found uh, some

500
00:42:41.719 --> 00:42:47.519
sixteen inch tracks and they were accompanied by about twelve

501
00:42:47.559 --> 00:42:53.719
inch tracks. So we think that was a a possible

502
00:42:53.800 --> 00:43:01.719
birthing area. I I told my acquaintance at the forest

503
00:43:01.760 --> 00:43:04.719
service about it, and he says, I don't want to

504
00:43:04.760 --> 00:43:09.639
hear the word bigfoot. But he says. He says, what

505
00:43:09.719 --> 00:43:12.760
we'll do is if if I said, he said. He

506
00:43:12.800 --> 00:43:15.519
asked me, is is that a calving area for elk

507
00:43:16.559 --> 00:43:22.280
And I go, yes, it is and he in. About

508
00:43:22.280 --> 00:43:25.480
two weeks later they dug one of those big trenches

509
00:43:25.840 --> 00:43:30.519
to keep people out of the road. Uh that they

510
00:43:30.559 --> 00:43:39.239
put in and uh anyway down below that we didn't

511
00:43:39.280 --> 00:43:51.119
we er Kylie and and uh and Olie and I

512
00:43:51.239 --> 00:43:56.199
we decided we would get a skin sample. And what

513
00:43:56.280 --> 00:44:01.199
we did was we got some put a stapled some

514
00:44:02.519 --> 00:44:07.679
hardware wire inside, cut it and bent it and stapled

515
00:44:07.719 --> 00:44:11.400
it inside of a five gallon bucket and put in

516
00:44:11.480 --> 00:44:14.960
all kinds of goodies in the five gallon bucket, like

517
00:44:15.159 --> 00:44:21.000
spam and whatever and uh and and drilled holes in

518
00:44:21.039 --> 00:44:24.440
the bottom of it so that the let us and

519
00:44:24.679 --> 00:44:29.840
that kind of stuff would drain out. And we ran

520
00:44:30.039 --> 00:44:35.159
up a tree, hung it up. We got I used

521
00:44:36.480 --> 00:44:42.639
some PVC piping and made we used it several times

522
00:44:44.480 --> 00:44:47.840
way to put bags up a tree, hang it up.

523
00:44:49.320 --> 00:44:51.159
And then we got to thinking about it. You know,

524
00:44:51.239 --> 00:44:55.840
these are our friends. And I talked to Cliff and

525
00:44:55.880 --> 00:44:59.480
he goes, you know, I really feel I mean, if

526
00:44:59.480 --> 00:45:03.559
you scratch somebody that much you might get them affected,

527
00:45:05.079 --> 00:45:08.440
and we didn't want that. So after about a week

528
00:45:08.559 --> 00:45:13.639
I went back up there, about five six days and

529
00:45:13.760 --> 00:45:17.440
retrieved the bucket, and sure enough, around the bottom of

530
00:45:17.440 --> 00:45:20.320
the bucket and with some of the stuff taken out

531
00:45:20.360 --> 00:45:24.480
of it, was about sixteen and a half inch tracks.

532
00:45:25.719 --> 00:45:28.360
And then there was a game trail that went up

533
00:45:28.360 --> 00:45:36.639
a ridge up to the to the upper Coal Wash,

534
00:45:36.159 --> 00:45:41.880
and those tracks went up that ridge and that's where

535
00:45:42.000 --> 00:45:48.559
and that ridge led to where Steve and I heard

536
00:45:47.400 --> 00:45:53.440
the words inside our head leave here now. So I'm

537
00:45:53.440 --> 00:45:59.639
glad we took that down. I'm also glad we took

538
00:45:59.639 --> 00:46:05.119
it down because the Forest Service law enforcement officer they

539
00:46:05.159 --> 00:46:10.480
thought we were planting marijuana up there, and they'd taken

540
00:46:10.559 --> 00:46:19.440
to when we came through Esticada my truck. They had

541
00:46:19.480 --> 00:46:23.000
an informant group and once in a while they would

542
00:46:23.039 --> 00:46:26.320
follow us up there, or me up there, or whatever.

543
00:46:27.119 --> 00:46:32.639
And they had found the bucket and found the tracks.

544
00:46:32.719 --> 00:46:35.679
The law enforcement officer told me about it. In fact,

545
00:46:35.719 --> 00:46:42.039
he gave me a report. What he did was he

546
00:46:42.199 --> 00:46:46.039
was talking to me at the filling station there in Estacada,

547
00:46:48.199 --> 00:46:52.800
and I had my map out and he was getting

548
00:46:52.840 --> 00:46:56.599
ready to retire, and he says, if I were you,

549
00:46:57.159 --> 00:47:00.440
this is where I would look for him. And he

550
00:47:00.559 --> 00:47:05.719
circled it so hard it made he made it circle

551
00:47:05.880 --> 00:47:11.280
so hard that it indented in the paint of my toyota.

552
00:47:12.800 --> 00:47:17.239
And it was about the upper Memluse. And that's where

553
00:47:18.239 --> 00:47:23.880
that's where Henry Franzoni saw the flying saucer or the

554
00:47:23.920 --> 00:47:27.360
flying cigar and had the boat run in with the

555
00:47:27.400 --> 00:47:34.960
men in black. Oh, absolutely bizarre. And then he said,

556
00:47:35.599 --> 00:47:41.039
he says, watch the mine shafts. And he said, I

557
00:47:41.159 --> 00:47:43.599
watched I go up and eat my lunch and watch

558
00:47:43.639 --> 00:47:48.119
the mind shaft with my binoculars. And I said, well,

559
00:47:48.400 --> 00:47:50.679
where's that mine shaft? He said, well, you should know

560
00:47:52.880 --> 00:47:57.440
roughly where it is. And he said the ground around

561
00:47:57.480 --> 00:48:01.519
it is all smoothed out, and passed it down in

562
00:48:01.679 --> 00:48:06.679
the in the grass and ferns or padded down. He

563
00:48:06.719 --> 00:48:11.760
says that I think they live inside that that entrance

564
00:48:11.760 --> 00:48:16.199
to the mine. And sure and sure enough on Dicky Peaks,

565
00:48:16.960 --> 00:48:20.519
which is you can easily find him on the map. Oh,

566
00:48:21.199 --> 00:48:25.800
there is a number of mines. Do not go up there.

567
00:48:26.960 --> 00:48:31.639
Those shafts are still open. And the four Service tried

568
00:48:31.679 --> 00:48:35.039
to blast a bunch of them shut, but they're still open.

569
00:48:35.079 --> 00:48:38.239
And you fall down one of those shafts, you are dead.

570
00:48:39.719 --> 00:48:44.079
I mean that's as simple as that. So you can

571
00:48:44.480 --> 00:48:46.679
you can go up there and look for the mind shafts,

572
00:48:47.440 --> 00:48:49.840
but you better do it by binocular.

573
00:48:50.960 --> 00:48:53.320
Absolutely. I want to jump in it for a minute,

574
00:48:53.360 --> 00:48:54.960
because I think this would be a good time to say.

575
00:48:55.000 --> 00:48:59.320
It is the Oregon Big Feet Highway. And you write

576
00:48:59.320 --> 00:49:01.679
about this in the aning of your book. It is

577
00:49:01.719 --> 00:49:03.800
a thing where you don't really take it lately at all.

578
00:49:03.880 --> 00:49:07.840
You need to make sure you have replaced, spare tired,

579
00:49:08.320 --> 00:49:10.639
plenty of extra gas in a can. Like you have

580
00:49:10.719 --> 00:49:14.519
to be ready for the worst possible thing to happen

581
00:49:14.679 --> 00:49:16.920
if you go out into this territory.

582
00:49:19.039 --> 00:49:23.760
Yeah, I'll give you an exact example of that. Uh.

583
00:49:25.400 --> 00:49:27.800
I used to go out quite a bit by myself

584
00:49:29.679 --> 00:49:32.519
and spend the night out because I think they liked it.

585
00:49:34.480 --> 00:49:39.960
They like a single human being. And I was up

586
00:49:39.960 --> 00:49:47.719
on oh what the heck was that mountain? Anyway, it

587
00:49:47.760 --> 00:49:49.559
was it was It's about an hour and a half

588
00:49:49.679 --> 00:49:58.960
outside Astikudo. And I went up there and and I

589
00:49:59.039 --> 00:50:06.440
was fully prepared, and the wind started blowing. This is

590
00:50:06.519 --> 00:50:12.320
just one example. And the wind became a howling fit

591
00:50:13.320 --> 00:50:19.320
and I had a Brunton wind indicator, which means you

592
00:50:19.400 --> 00:50:22.400
held it up in the in the wind. And it

593
00:50:22.480 --> 00:50:28.760
was about sixty six to seventy miles an hour and

594
00:50:30.679 --> 00:50:34.840
it was a terrible storm. And I backed up clear

595
00:50:34.960 --> 00:50:39.480
up underneath the trees, and the limbs were flying off,

596
00:50:40.519 --> 00:50:47.000
and I was I didn't want to not want a limb.

597
00:50:47.519 --> 00:50:49.880
I backed in so that if a limb came in,

598
00:50:50.400 --> 00:50:53.280
it had come in through the rear of the truck

599
00:50:54.199 --> 00:50:59.199
hopefully and avoid me. And the next morning I got

600
00:50:59.280 --> 00:51:04.119
up and there was so many blowdowns that it was.

601
00:51:04.239 --> 00:51:08.239
It was. It was a wonderful experience, but I mean

602
00:51:08.320 --> 00:51:14.000
the wind was just I have been in in a

603
00:51:14.079 --> 00:51:17.239
hurricane and two hurricanes when I was in the Marine

604
00:51:17.239 --> 00:51:23.519
Corps Navy, and the wind was like that, and there

605
00:51:23.519 --> 00:51:28.039
were trees down every place, and I ended up coming

606
00:51:28.079 --> 00:51:34.920
out down by Detroit because the fallen trees. Wow, And

607
00:51:34.960 --> 00:51:37.280
it took took me most of the day to get home.

608
00:51:41.639 --> 00:51:45.880
That's just one example, but that was that was an

609
00:51:45.880 --> 00:51:46.920
amazing wind.

610
00:51:46.719 --> 00:51:51.599
Storm, Joe. That's absolutely incredible. It's a great example of

611
00:51:51.639 --> 00:51:54.159
how you really don't mess around when you go and

612
00:51:54.199 --> 00:51:57.280
there are any of the wooded areas of Oregon for

613
00:51:57.320 --> 00:52:00.280
that matter, I want to take a little detail or

614
00:52:00.480 --> 00:52:03.840
in our the last part of our interview together. I've

615
00:52:03.840 --> 00:52:05.719
been talking to a gentleman on the show a few

616
00:52:05.760 --> 00:52:09.840
times now, and you have you've come up. His name

617
00:52:09.920 --> 00:52:16.000
is Gary Allen, and oh, yeah, right, and so I

618
00:52:16.039 --> 00:52:19.000
was gonna see if we would get here. I'm just

619
00:52:19.039 --> 00:52:21.440
gonna launch right into it. So he's got some really

620
00:52:21.480 --> 00:52:24.960
interesting stories. Uh, and we'll say it's around the mount

621
00:52:25.000 --> 00:52:28.559
Hood area. And and he just told me one this

622
00:52:28.639 --> 00:52:34.599
is actually yes, it was yesterday. It was yesterday, and

623
00:52:34.639 --> 00:52:39.920
he told me, man, you've had some really interesting things

624
00:52:39.960 --> 00:52:43.679
happen in this area that you guys are researching around Malhood.

625
00:52:45.199 --> 00:52:51.599
Oh, absolutely absolutely. His wife has horses, right, And this

626
00:52:51.679 --> 00:52:55.599
is a third time I've run into this. Actually Banionoff's book,

627
00:52:55.639 --> 00:52:59.760
and I cannot recommend it highly enough. Banionoff in the

628
00:53:00.159 --> 00:53:09.039
Steps of the Russian Snowman. There's a farmer in Russia

629
00:53:10.079 --> 00:53:15.039
whose horses were getting their manes, were being braided, and

630
00:53:15.199 --> 00:53:18.000
he stayed up in his hayloft one night and one

631
00:53:18.039 --> 00:53:21.960
of these things came in and I'm nasty and braided,

632
00:53:22.679 --> 00:53:26.559
and the horses stood still, and they braided their hair.

633
00:53:29.639 --> 00:53:34.519
I was walking one night, I went for a long walk.

634
00:53:35.239 --> 00:53:38.840
I recommend this if you're knowing how to do it.

635
00:53:40.360 --> 00:53:44.480
Walking at night, carry a flashlight, but don't turn it

636
00:53:44.519 --> 00:53:48.039
on unless you absolutely have to. There's a technique for

637
00:53:48.119 --> 00:53:54.039
walking at white at night, and and I use it.

638
00:53:54.840 --> 00:53:59.559
And I walked, I believe it or not, one mile

639
00:53:59.679 --> 00:54:03.559
away from our camp. It takes about an hour and

640
00:54:03.599 --> 00:54:07.719
a half one way. I was going about three hours.

641
00:54:08.440 --> 00:54:15.119
And the other guys I told him who was along

642
00:54:15.199 --> 00:54:22.559
with me, Oh, David and one other fellow. Anyway, I

643
00:54:22.599 --> 00:54:26.960
told him about this tree struck and then one followed

644
00:54:27.000 --> 00:54:29.559
me back and followed me back all the way to camp.

645
00:54:30.719 --> 00:54:38.320
And then in the morning it had stomped around. Man

646
00:54:38.360 --> 00:54:41.840
had slept in a tent with a vent on the top,

647
00:54:42.920 --> 00:54:50.639
like the guy up and Scook and meadows and and

648
00:54:50.719 --> 00:54:54.039
the other fella. He believed in the little people. But

649
00:54:54.159 --> 00:54:59.760
I've been told by at least three different Native Americans

650
00:54:59.800 --> 00:55:02.480
that what we're looking for is the wrong thing. That

651
00:55:02.719 --> 00:55:05.400
the little people are much more numerous. But you've got

652
00:55:05.440 --> 00:55:08.360
to be where they're at. And this fellow that was

653
00:55:08.400 --> 00:55:11.239
with us, he managed to stay awake all night long,

654
00:55:11.280 --> 00:55:13.760
and he said the little people came out about three

655
00:55:13.760 --> 00:55:17.440
point thirty in the morning. Anyway, we went back up

656
00:55:17.559 --> 00:55:22.440
to the place where I described it in the moonlight,

657
00:55:23.639 --> 00:55:27.039
and sure enough, it was about a mile away. And

658
00:55:27.079 --> 00:55:32.239
then we went on further and we stopped at a

659
00:55:32.280 --> 00:55:37.039
horse camp and they were getting ready to leave, and

660
00:55:37.079 --> 00:55:38.960
I was curious because it was the middle of the

661
00:55:38.960 --> 00:55:44.559
week and I was curious about and they said, and

662
00:55:44.760 --> 00:55:46.880
one of the women said, I just want to get

663
00:55:46.880 --> 00:55:52.039
out of here. And she says, and something's coming into

664
00:55:52.079 --> 00:55:56.000
our camp at night, and it's braiding the hair of

665
00:55:56.079 --> 00:56:01.639
our horses. And I took pictures of it, and sure enough,

666
00:56:01.719 --> 00:56:08.239
here's and it wasn't wind braids. It was braiding. Gary Allen,

667
00:56:10.000 --> 00:56:13.519
his wife has horses and she brings them and she

668
00:56:13.639 --> 00:56:18.639
rides them. And they've had horse braids at least two

669
00:56:18.719 --> 00:56:25.199
times when we're up there, at least and Gary rides

670
00:56:25.239 --> 00:56:31.679
an electric bike, and he has seen them at least

671
00:56:31.719 --> 00:56:35.679
three times in that area. I have camped up there

672
00:56:35.719 --> 00:56:40.199
by myself, and I've heard him smashing around and crossing

673
00:56:40.239 --> 00:56:45.880
their creek, but I haven't personally seen one myself. There's

674
00:56:45.920 --> 00:56:50.239
a humorous story about Peter Burn. Peter Burn managed to

675
00:56:50.280 --> 00:56:53.960
get a lot of money from several from a couple

676
00:56:53.960 --> 00:56:59.039
of sponsors, and they set up a real high tech

677
00:56:59.559 --> 00:57:04.599
at the time, I'm uh transmitting station and got permission

678
00:57:05.159 --> 00:57:09.679
in Bull Run to set up cameras. Wha they didn't

679
00:57:09.679 --> 00:57:14.480
get and oh this is this is well documented and

680
00:57:14.840 --> 00:57:20.599
uh they didn't get anything. Well. On the way out,

681
00:57:21.400 --> 00:57:25.360
they had an Indian, a Native American that worked up

682
00:57:25.400 --> 00:57:30.000
there and with him and he worked at the Bull

683
00:57:30.079 --> 00:57:38.239
Run reservation to the watershed, and he says, they they

684
00:57:38.280 --> 00:57:42.000
put their stuff in the wrong in the wrong canyon.

685
00:57:43.000 --> 00:57:48.559
The the creatures you want live in the next canyon over.

686
00:57:49.239 --> 00:57:56.800
But nobody asked me if you've got if you've got

687
00:57:56.840 --> 00:58:00.519
a Native American around, and you don't ask them forquestions

688
00:58:00.920 --> 00:58:09.159
and if they will answer you, Oh, you're very very foolish.

689
00:58:09.199 --> 00:58:11.800
Oh absolutely, yeah, yeah.

690
00:58:12.119 --> 00:58:16.000
Yeah. Anyway, that's just a that's a Peter Burns story

691
00:58:16.320 --> 00:58:17.079
right exactly.

692
00:58:17.320 --> 00:58:20.880
Now, Gary, to ask you specifically about something Gary had

693
00:58:21.280 --> 00:58:24.880
told me about how you were in a tent and

694
00:58:24.920 --> 00:58:29.440
you ended up becoming uh paralyzed or you couldn't move

695
00:58:29.480 --> 00:58:31.880
because of something that happened right outside your tent.

696
00:58:34.079 --> 00:58:45.119
Yeah, that that was that that happened, And I don't

697
00:58:45.199 --> 00:58:51.440
know what happened. But I could not move. I woke

698
00:58:51.559 --> 00:58:55.679
up and I was awake, and I could see moonlight

699
00:58:55.760 --> 00:58:59.559
through the camp because it was I didn't put up

700
00:58:59.559 --> 00:59:05.599
a rain for life if you didn't need one, and

701
00:59:05.599 --> 00:59:10.079
and I just couldn't move. And that's not the first

702
00:59:10.119 --> 00:59:15.159
time that that's happened. I've had several other people report.

703
00:59:14.800 --> 00:59:17.800
It to me in the same area or just across

704
00:59:17.800 --> 00:59:18.519
the board.

705
00:59:18.440 --> 00:59:22.639
In the same area and across the board.

706
00:59:22.599 --> 00:59:26.239
Okay, gotcha, yep, yeah, wow.

707
00:59:26.039 --> 00:59:32.199
Gary Garry, Gary's boy. What he does though, I started

708
00:59:32.280 --> 00:59:36.280
up that up that trail, and I don't want anything

709
00:59:36.320 --> 00:59:39.880
to do with I'm seventy eight, I was starting. I

710
00:59:39.920 --> 00:59:43.199
was seventy five when I started going over there with him. Yeah,

711
00:59:43.239 --> 00:59:46.480
maybe seventy four, And I don't want to. I've been

712
00:59:46.559 --> 00:59:52.000
partly up that trail and it gets it gets darn nasty,

713
00:59:52.079 --> 00:59:55.360
and she rides it up and training her horse. But

714
00:59:57.360 --> 00:59:59.880
they do, they do long distance rides.

715
01:00:00.880 --> 01:00:04.679
Do you have any advice for people that are solo

716
01:00:04.760 --> 01:00:08.079
camping in an area and wanting to have bigfoot interaction.

717
01:00:10.159 --> 01:00:13.440
Well, you've got to go to the same place repeatedly.

718
01:00:14.320 --> 01:00:17.239
That's the most important thing. And you got you need

719
01:00:17.400 --> 01:00:22.039
to in my opinion, you have to sleep during the

720
01:00:22.119 --> 01:00:27.840
day and stay up at night. And you also have

721
01:00:27.920 --> 01:00:31.400
to have a fire. Now, if you don't have a fire,

722
01:00:31.480 --> 01:00:37.639
I've got one of those propane fireboxes that's legal to

723
01:00:37.800 --> 01:00:41.880
use up up there. But they like to see a fire.

724
01:00:44.639 --> 01:00:46.880
I can go on and I can go on about that,

725
01:00:47.039 --> 01:00:50.719
but those are the things. What happened to me was

726
01:00:50.840 --> 01:00:54.119
I used to go up by myself. Sharon was traveling,

727
01:00:54.159 --> 01:00:59.559
she was a CPA, and she would travel and I

728
01:00:59.599 --> 01:01:05.000
would Tom Powell or somebody Gary or whoever it might be,

729
01:01:05.559 --> 01:01:09.800
that we're going up up the mountain today, and I

730
01:01:09.960 --> 01:01:12.679
tell him roughly where I was going, so that somebody

731
01:01:12.679 --> 01:01:17.199
had know, And obviously I wanted to go by myself.

732
01:01:18.400 --> 01:01:23.559
But one day Tom called and Sharon answered the phone

733
01:01:24.400 --> 01:01:28.880
and she says, she says, I thought I thought you

734
01:01:28.880 --> 01:01:32.400
were camping with Joe this tonight or a couple of nights.

735
01:01:33.320 --> 01:01:35.599
And Tom goes.

736
01:01:36.039 --> 01:01:40.280
Oots, yeah, right.

737
01:01:40.159 --> 01:01:44.480
And then Sharon Sharon and Sharon got really excited that

738
01:01:44.639 --> 01:01:50.440
I was going up by myself. So I think one

739
01:01:50.519 --> 01:01:53.320
year I made it to thirteen nights by myself.

740
01:01:53.519 --> 01:01:55.599
My goodness, dude, that's incredible.

741
01:01:56.840 --> 01:01:59.599
That wind, that wind night that I described I was

742
01:01:59.639 --> 01:02:09.760
by my self. H It's it's really neat because I

743
01:02:09.760 --> 01:02:13.599
I I like to go to where the the nighthawks

744
01:02:14.159 --> 01:02:19.599
fly and what they do is people often confuse them

745
01:02:19.800 --> 01:02:24.639
with screaming bigfoots, but it's really the nighthawks fly and

746
01:02:24.679 --> 01:02:29.800
get these big insects that they eat and uh, it's

747
01:02:29.840 --> 01:02:35.719
our wings going uh sub sonic flapping in the in

748
01:02:35.800 --> 01:02:43.559
the dive and it's a very wonderful thing. Uh, Cornell University. Okay,

749
01:02:44.519 --> 01:02:51.039
Library of Animal Sounds. I cannot encourage your guests more

750
01:02:52.039 --> 01:02:57.519
to learn to listen to those sounds. You need to

751
01:02:57.599 --> 01:03:01.199
know what's going on at night, and the way to

752
01:03:01.280 --> 01:03:04.440
do that is to listen to animal sounds. And most

753
01:03:04.480 --> 01:03:08.679
of those animal sounds were taken by by master's degree

754
01:03:08.760 --> 01:03:15.440
students biologists, and so they're verifiable and you can listen

755
01:03:15.480 --> 01:03:22.400
to the nighthawk of thunder anyway. I like to go

756
01:03:22.599 --> 01:03:25.519
up and I like to see I like to see

757
01:03:25.519 --> 01:03:28.639
the sunrise on Mount Hood or wherever it might be.

758
01:03:29.599 --> 01:03:34.119
It's it's very very calming.

759
01:03:35.440 --> 01:03:40.039
Absolutely, that's great advice about being familiar with the animal

760
01:03:40.039 --> 01:03:41.760
and bird sounds in your area.

761
01:03:42.079 --> 01:03:46.679
Let me repeat that one more time, Okay, Cornell University,

762
01:03:46.920 --> 01:03:53.360
moquahe library of animal sounds you need if you want

763
01:03:53.400 --> 01:03:58.719
to be a bigfooter, you've got to study those sounds

764
01:03:58.800 --> 01:03:59.440
in my opinion.

765
01:04:00.639 --> 01:04:03.039
But one last question for you, Joe, and thank you

766
01:04:03.079 --> 01:04:06.360
so much for spending your time today when you are

767
01:04:06.440 --> 01:04:13.360
out there by yourself doing a solo bigfoot focused expedition trip.

768
01:04:14.480 --> 01:04:18.920
Are you more a person that is just quiet the

769
01:04:18.960 --> 01:04:21.719
whole time out there or there's some individuals where they're like,

770
01:04:22.119 --> 01:04:24.000
you want to make a lot of noise. You want

771
01:04:24.039 --> 01:04:26.199
to be laughing, you want to be listening to music,

772
01:04:26.280 --> 01:04:27.559
and that's what brings them in.

773
01:04:31.760 --> 01:04:39.360
The people that make real loud noises. I disagree with

774
01:04:39.400 --> 01:04:41.559
that because it breaks up the peace of the night.

775
01:04:42.639 --> 01:04:48.519
A little bit of music is fine. I've got some

776
01:04:48.679 --> 01:04:55.119
recordings from to bet bunks chatting. I had a loud

777
01:04:55.159 --> 01:05:01.599
speaker battery powered, and I would play that, but not

778
01:05:01.880 --> 01:05:10.760
to excessive amounts. Uh. Laughter is good. Uh trust me.

779
01:05:11.039 --> 01:05:14.119
If you hear a bunch of kids laughing and you're

780
01:05:14.159 --> 01:05:17.760
out in the forest, you better pay attention because those

781
01:05:17.840 --> 01:05:22.239
kids are not kids. They're not They're not a medium

782
01:05:22.480 --> 01:05:33.800
uh medium school group. And uh I I but I

783
01:05:33.880 --> 01:05:36.760
know one fellow that goes out and yells and screams

784
01:05:37.480 --> 01:05:42.599
and shoots his uh rifle and blah blah blah, and

785
01:05:42.639 --> 01:05:45.320
he claims to have called him in every once in

786
01:05:45.320 --> 01:05:48.239
a while, and they show up at their room of

787
01:05:48.320 --> 01:05:54.280
the of the he goes to a certain rock Cory

788
01:05:55.440 --> 01:05:58.199
rock Corey is are your friends because they can they

789
01:05:58.199 --> 01:06:03.039
can stand, they can look down upon you. I got

790
01:06:03.280 --> 01:06:06.199
I got about one hundred rock Cory stories, and I

791
01:06:06.239 --> 01:06:07.880
think there's a couple in my book too.

792
01:06:09.360 --> 01:06:12.440
Yeah, there are definitely. Uh, that's that's a good that's

793
01:06:12.440 --> 01:06:16.920
a good call out though, for sure. Uh, Joe, what

794
01:06:17.079 --> 01:06:21.440
a fascinating conversation. I want to also remind listeners if

795
01:06:21.440 --> 01:06:26.079
they don't already know, you are planned of planned to

796
01:06:26.400 --> 01:06:29.599
be as of right now one of the speakers at

797
01:06:29.719 --> 01:06:30.880
Sasquatch Summerfest.

798
01:06:30.920 --> 01:06:39.239
Correct, Yes, yeah, I I I enjoy that Don Monroe

799
01:06:39.639 --> 01:06:41.719
and m K. Davis are going to show up and

800
01:06:41.760 --> 01:06:45.320
they're they're I I rate them as good friends.

801
01:06:45.840 --> 01:06:47.639
They're really cool guys.

802
01:06:46.800 --> 01:06:50.159
And I think Tom poul is going to go. I

803
01:06:50.920 --> 01:06:51.840
don't know for sure.

804
01:06:52.280 --> 01:06:54.679
That's awesome, that's really cool that that would be fun

805
01:06:54.679 --> 01:06:56.960
to meet him. I will also be there. I'll be

806
01:06:57.039 --> 01:07:01.199
one of those speakers this year. Good, so that will

807
01:07:01.199 --> 01:07:03.719
be a fun time. Hey, you never know who you'll

808
01:07:03.760 --> 01:07:09.320
meet at these things, right, but Joe, what a fun conversation. Guys.

809
01:07:09.360 --> 01:07:13.119
If you don't listeners, if you don't have Joe's book yet,

810
01:07:13.159 --> 01:07:17.480
The Oregon Bigfoot Highway, please please please get a copy

811
01:07:17.519 --> 01:07:20.800
of it. Best way to do that is on Amazon, Joe,

812
01:07:20.960 --> 01:07:21.840
or what do you think.

813
01:07:23.119 --> 01:07:25.880
The best way to do it? Say Amazon. It's been

814
01:07:25.920 --> 01:07:30.039
a pleasure. Really, I really enjoyed this today today, So

815
01:07:30.159 --> 01:07:31.079
thank you very much.

816
01:07:31.599 --> 01:07:34.519
Yes, sir, thank you for sharing your knowledge gained over

817
01:07:34.519 --> 01:07:37.800
the years, and we will be in touch and thank

818
01:07:37.840 --> 01:07:39.320
you so much for being on the show again.

819
01:07:40.920 --> 01:07:42.760
Okay, talk to you later.

820
01:07:43.000 --> 01:07:43.840
You got it, Joe,