Return of the Bigfoot Nursery | Georgia

0:00 You're listening to big for Society, and I'm Jeremiah Byron. In this show, we go beyond the campfire stories to bring you first hand encounters from people who say they've seen something impossible. From backwoods trails and remote mountain haulers to quiet farms and crowded highways. The stories come from everywhere, and each one leaves us with more questions than answers. These are the voices of the people who've lived it. To settle in, because today you'll hear another account that just might change the way you see the woods forever. So stay with us. All I pick for Society, You've got the privilege of talking to mister Neil Ryder again. Neil is the gentleman in charge of Bigfoot Talk dot com.

0:41 You may have seen that page on Facebook. A lot of great information and Neil was actually on the show last about a year ago. In January of twenty twenty five. Neil was actually one of the top ten listen to episodes on YouTube for Bigfoot Society. You may remember hearing a little clip from his episode on the end of the year show I did. Whereas the top ten episodes by YouTube listens, Neil's had a lot of stuff going on since then. We're going to get into that in a minute, but I want to make sure people are aware of that. He's starting to put out some really interesting books, and he's been nice enough to send a few over to me. You can get Understanding Bigfoot, a guide for outdoor enthusiasts, which is awesome, and Bigfoot in Georgia, The Cohabituation chronicles when Bigfoot let us know they were there, And that's book one out of five in a series.

1:41 And you just look up Neil Ryder on Amazon. But welcome to the show. Neil. How are you doing today, Suri? I'm doing great. Jeremy, how you doing? Hopefully you're staying warm? Yeah, I mean we are trying my friend with negative thirty wind chill last Friday and they closed all the schools. But right now we're starting to get out of it. So fingers crossed that we are we're out of the cold season. But uh, man, Neil, looks like you have been busy. I'm always looking at your posts you're putting out there on the Bigfoot talk dot Com Facebook page. But man, you know, in case this is a listeners first first run in with you could you give. Is it possible to give a little bit of background about how we've gotten to the place where we are now with everything you've got going on on your property.

2:38 Sure, it's been kind of crazy. I believed a long time ago because I was always interested in cryptis and it was a fifty to fifty chance of Bigfoot was actually real hunted on the live fish, been in the outdoor worst. So I was always good at noticing patterns and thought I knew a lot about the outdoors. But then I get what about property for a retirement home. After we had been here for a few years, I'd seen things that didn't make any sense. But all of a sudden, a family group of bigfoot let me know they were here. And what started that was I put a bigfoot cut out in the backyard, and I guess they thought that I knew they were here, so they started whistling and hitting the house and letting us know they were here. So we did a lot of interactions.

3:27 In the episode that Jeremiah was talking about was six point fifty nine. It tells a lot about the beginning story, which I won't get into that because that's a forty five minute thing of all the information in it, all the stuff that was weird that I saw. But anyway, there was a family group. We started building trust back and forth, and it's based on trust and respect. You know. I would give them stuff, they would give me stuff back, and it just started. It started an amazing adventure. I know there's a lot of people that helped them cohabitate with them and have them around that I wanted to learn as much as they could about them. There was a family group. It was a male that his print was nineteen and a half inches and ten and a half inches wide. There was a female at the beginning, her footprint was thirteen and a half inches long and eight inches wide. There was a juvenile and his footprint was nine and a half inches long and it was real narrow and only had four toes. And then there was a young one that was six and a half inches long. So when we built up the respect with them, they quit hiding their prints. I mean, so I could go and see what they're doing by their prints. They quit hiding them and they knew I loved their prints and everything. So the family group was here. But then

5:00 I started a gifting station, which I know that people say don't give them food. But I was young and dumb in the big foot world then I didn't know any better. I thought they were just another animal like deer, wild hogs, squirrels, everything else. You know, they eat food, they go away, you know, no problem. Now I've had no negative impact from that at all. But they do let me know if they're out of food. I don't give them food all the time. I give them a lot of other objects. And I actually have run many tests with them just to see what they would do to it and learn the amazing things about them. But after a while they made a nursery site. Now that is weird because at certain times of years it would mark their trails, so the new ones coming in to find where they're going and find the trails. And I always knew when they would be coming in because they would mark the trails about into two weeks ahead of it.

6:02 But there would be two to three babies come in. There would be a juvenile with each baby. The mom was here all the time, and there was an extra juvenile. I don't know if it was a day watcher, a fill in something just helping the mom. I'm not sure. Now the male would come and go. He wasn't here all the time. But the nursery site was an amazing time because I had all these We had these little ones on the property and they would walk in our backyard, they would look in the windows, they would give us gifts, they would they would play with our dogs, and so it was an amazing time. Then things changed to present.

6:46 They clear cut about seven hundred acres around our property, and we have a major crossing of bigfoot here at this location. We have four different streams coming in from four different bottoms where they kind of the first two meet it makes a bigger stream, and then another one comes in and meet, and then it goes out the other side. But there's four different bottoms that converge at this one site, and each one of them have ridges along the edges. So it's a major crossing spot for them because they use the waterways and the bottoms to move from place to place. But when they cut all that property, most of our property is hardwoods, so in the winter time a lot of times they we'd go to safe zones. Well, the safe zones are now cut clear cut, and I mean clearcut to the ground. They didn't plan anything, They just clear cut everything to the ground.

7:50 It was terrible. So now the people around us that knew about them being here are actually shooting onto our property trying to them, and amazingly enough, they're still trying to stay here. So I'm still interacting with them, but now they're hiding their prints. They will interact with me some Like about a week and a half ago, I was down at the gifting station and one of them gave me a two in the afternoon, gave me a fake alcohol, and then another one, probably thirty yards from it, a littler one, gave me a fake alcohol. And I know they're fake because I heard them that they can imitate anything. But they were letting me know that they were still here, and where they were at was away from the shooting. As a matter of fact, they have made a blind where they can see the gifting station in an area that people don't go in to get shot at, so they're actually avoiding it now. I'm hoping that at some point in time the stuff will grow back and then we can get back to normal. But until then, at least, I'm very excited about the fact that they're staying here on the property. Now. A lot of people ask me a lot of questions. Now, I did the podcast number six fifty nine that tells a

9:21 lot of the interactions, and we've had a ton of interactions. That was only a part of them, but it was two hours worth the interactions in the beginning story. And then then another one, number seven hundred that told about the sightings that we've had on here, the ones that I've seen on here. Now, my son's seen for my wife's seen a couple, so others have been seen by you know, other people here. But some people ask me, and so I've got some things that I can tell you about. I've got a lot of stuff I can tell you about, but a lot of people ask me questions, and I like to go ahead and tell people what I've seen herd. Some people said, asked me, because we built a great relationship, have I ever been growled at?

10:07 And the answer is yes, I've been growled at twice. One of them I should have been growled at and the other one I shouldn't have got growled at. And I can tell you them real quick. The first one, my wife had a party with some family members over here, and several of them knew about Bigfoot being here. So some of them wanted me to go and show them some footprints and stuff, so my wife pushed me to do it. I didn't really want to do it because I know they don't want it to be seen, but my wife wanted me to do it. So I drove a group over to two people over to the pond and the water had gotten real low, and one had stepped in the mud. Two steps in the mud and some really drink deep. But you could see clear print clear as day. They actually took and had broken sticks and put over it to try to hide the hole, because they always try to hide it. They don't want it to be that exposed. They don't want anything that could be castable. But they tried to hide it, and they even put some broken branches on the clay on the mud to make it look normal that it's broken, which it wasn't. Well, when those people were looking at it behind hill forty yards from me, one of them barked at me, and I knew that's where one stayed because any broken branches at me before back there to

11:39 let me know that behind that hill it has its daytime area to say, so it's right behind that hill. So I knew it embarked that I knew it was them saying, oh, don't be doing that, you know. So I went and brought those two back. Then my wife wanted me to take somebody else well, because they told him about how good those prints were, so it took them over there. Well, this time they barked again, even a little more aggravated, so I got him out of there. And then one guy wanted to see the gifting station, so I took him down there and there was a baby footprint that was clear as day. You could see the heel, the toes, everything on it. And I said, yeah, this is a baby, because they have it's a nursery site right now. And as he was looking at it, he was talking. He was saying, look, this is perfect print.

12:36 It's about four inches long, forty four and a half inches long. This is a perfect print. How can anybody deny that they're here? I said, well, it just happens, a lot of people don't believe in them, so, you know, but there you go, you're looking at a baby print. And as I said that to him, he started talking about it. And on the other side of the creek, one crowd at me and I knew i'd been busted because they had already warned me twice about not letting people see their footprints, and here I am showing a baby printing. They're real protective of other babies. So it growled at me on the other side of the creek. So I kind of let them know I wouldn't do it again. And I hadn't done that again, you know, with people that are like that, because they just don't They don't want to be noticed. They want to be remain hidding themselves. The second one that got growled at was a what I believed to be a juvenile male.

13:41 I took some food down to the gifting station and there were a lot of prints that day, and I like to keep up with how many are there are the juveniles staying with the same baby, so on and so forth. So I got my ruler out I was measuring on keeping an account of it, and I guess I took too long, and he was hungry growled at me, and then I just kind of laughed because I knew what it was. And then a couple of minutes later he growled again, and I just kind of said, uh uh, don't be growling at me. You know, y'all, let me see the prince, and I put stuff down here for you don't crowl at me. So it really was funny.

14:21 The next time I went down there, I saw a bunch more prints, so I was looking at the prince again. I can't say that he learned from me, but he didn't growl at me, and I think he was a he. It could have been she. I just I had to go by my feelings, and I don't know if my feelings are right, but I do know that so far they've never been wrong. This time he didn't growl. This time he snapped the branch and then he sat in another branch, and I just laughed and said, okay, well, at least you didn't growl. And all he wanted was me to leave because he wanted either some nutter butters or he wanted some peanut sweetened sweet and salty granola bars, one or the other. And then the next thing people ask me a lot is what's the scariest moment I have. Now, this is a weird situation, and I don't talk about it very much at all, But anyway, one day my wife and I went down to the pond and we were late getting the pond mode around. It was. We were about a month and a half late. We usually mowed in March, and we were late, and it was so high on the edges, which I usually do it with a weed eater. I was going to have to take the lawnmower and run over the edge to cut it.

15:51 And she was on the riding lawnmower mowing the grass on the tall grass in the middle. But it was the pond was made with a bulldozer, so it's got a two to three foot drop straight down. She's not going to get close to it, and how the side beside the zero turn flip over on her. As soon as I get down there, I get the lawne more off and all of a sudden, the hair on my arms stands up. I told my wife and said, Babe, that isn't good. She said, what I said, look at my arms? She said, your hair standing up. I said, that's only happened one other time in my life, and that's when I was circled by a pack of wild dogs and they were moving in on me. That's the only time that's ever happened. So this is not good.

16:46 So about ten or twelve seconds later, we're talking about it, and the hair went down. Then everything kind of calmed down. The atmosphere changed and stuff, and so I said, okay, well I think everything's good now, because whatever it was must be gone. So then I started mowing on the edge and I got to the end that's closest to their trail, and something happened to me that is really weird. Some people have talked about it's not a common thing. But in my head, a deep, base manly voice said, and oh, I forgot to tell you this. The hair stood up on arm again. But the hair stood up on the back of my neck, and that has never happened.

17:35 This voice came into my head and said, you need to leave now. I'm like, holy cow, it's the big mail. The big male's here and wants to me to leave. And all of a sudden, I start thinking in my head. I start thinking in my head, Okay, if I run that way, no, he can get me, because I've got the feeling that he is with ten yards behind me, probably seven yards close. I'd always heard don't look the big mal in the eyes, because it'll mess you up where you don't want to go. In the woods again and all this stuff. So I want to look at it. But I knew what was going on. So I'm going through these scenarios. Run that way, know it, get me go through there, no go to the side beside. The only thing I've got in there is a little three or four inch night What can I do with that?

18:28 We'll get something like that. And then the voice came back in my head that said there's nothing you can do to me. I forgot that. You know, if he's talking to my head, he's reading my thoughts. I forgot that, and I was like, holy cow, okay, And then I in my head I said back, you're right, there is nothing I can do to you. But we don't mean y'all any harm. We're just down here trying to clean up the grass around the pond. I'm mowing this and my wife's mowing that. As soon as we get done, we're gonna leave. Y'all are welcome here. Nothing else was said, but after about ten or twelve seconds, the hair went down on the back of my neck and arm again.

19:17 So we went and finished up. Now my wife was hot. She wanted to stay by the ponds. I wasn't going to tell her what happened. I didn't want her to be scared of them, and so I told her into going to the house and we'd make some lunch because we hadn't had lunch yet. Really, it's just a way to leave. So I was telling them the truth. Now, I really do believe with the big male that had a huge impact on the relationship because I did exactly what I said I was going to do. And because I did that and left like I said I was gonna do, I think that built more in the respect and trust. And I know that really sounds weird, but I can only tell you what happened to me. Now, people that have heard that have asked me. They said, so what do you do? Do you still go down there? Yeah? Absolutely?

20:13 They said, well, what kind of gun do you carry? I've got a lot of guns at the house. People in the South have guns and love guns. I've never taken a gun on this property. I to carry a shovel, so if I have any problems with snakes, I can use a shovel on a snake. I carry a rake if I need to clean something up. I've never carried a gun. We don't fear them here. They've done all kind of interactions with us. Here we say the unusual is the usual, because there's things that happen all the time that you just don't expect. So that's the one that comes to the scariest thing that ever happened. Now, I did on an expedition. One time I was in the woods and on an expedition, and I had stay by the fire because it seemed like when I stayed by the fire, they still come to me. Things happened.

21:11 It's just I don't know. Things happened. And I heard mouthpops and then the mouthpops from two different directions. There her mouthpops, and where I was sitting there was some woods behind me, and the woods behind me, there was some mouth pops in it, and I can hear it ease and up. It got to within five yards off me. I was actually expecting you to touch my shoulder at any time. It didn't and then it left. But she loved one of the people there that runs expeditions, she heard it. She heard it walking up and the other one was over there behind her, but it never walked up to her, and she was just waiting. She just thought it was gonna touch me. Also, but it never did.

21:58 But then after everybody got back, the people that went down the trails and stuff, then we heard a bunch of calls that were from birds that don't make calls at night, which is really weird. There are things that are patterns that they have that people talk about, one of which is don't throw things back at them. They will throw stuff, they won't hit you, but don't throw it back at them because they think of that as a challenge. Well I was on the expedition one time. One on this little ridge behind this brush threw a stick next to one of them. A girl that was on the expedition, well, she thought it was going to be funny, so she wouldn't pick the stick up and threw it back up at him. Well, lucky enough she had some high boots on, because what happened is that stick came back and hit her where her ankle is, but the boots blocked it. So that's a pattern that people see. If they throw stuff at you, a lot of times I think they're just check seeing what you would do and stuff like that. But if you throw it back to them, I believe they view that as a challenge. And that was kind of proved to me that that's what happens. There's another thing that on expeditions, I learned that I'd heard. I'd heard that if a

23:30 male a person a person, a male human peas on a tree and the male bigfa don't like it. And so one time we were on the exhibition exhibition expedition and my wife had just got a new thermal. It was learning how to use it. She loved it. It was so clear. But a guy going over there pete on a big oak tree. Well, she had walked up over there after that and she was looking down in the bottom as she saw something big and hot and didn't know what it was. And Sheila was again there. She came over and looked at it. Now that thermal had pictures that he could take of it. And when they started asking me about the pictures, I said the pictures to them and they said it looks weird. I said, yeah, it looks weird. It's because you see where it is.

24:29 Do you see all this heat on the ground. I said, it was peeing at the base of a tree. I'm like, wow, you got that old thermal. Yep, got that old thermal. Where one was standing is about forty yards away and it came up and it started peeing at the base of a tree as if remarking his territory. So in the book Understanding Bigfoot, I do have in there, you know, if you're out in the woods and you're a guy, don't pee on a tree. You pee out in the opening stuff, but don't pee on the base of a tree, because I believe, especially if it's getting close to mating season, then they really take offense to that because they mark their territories like other animals do, or at least that's what I believe by what I've heard from other people and that event. There's a lot of things on the Facebook page. People always ask me questions on and I'm going to try to answer them. Now. One of the biggest is, with all the things that we have going on, with them going to the Gift sensation so much and everything going on, why don't I put a camera down there? Well, cameras do not work. As a matter of fact, every time I see a big foot show and they're putting cameras out, I just laugh to myself. The only way you're going to see them on camera is if it's

26:01 one that walks through an area that it doesn't know and it's not paying attention or it wants to be seen. And here that's been the occasion, and they don't want me putting any cameras around the gift in the station. I have seen some glimpses of some hair at the edge of the camera when I had the cameras at the area where I have deer to come to. And then people say, well, how did they know? Well, I believe that they can see the infrared on the camera, for one thing, but you can actually have cameras out there without infrared. I also believe that there is a chance that they can either hear or pick up on the frequency and know that they're there. And we actually had a couple of people come down here and they were trying to get pictures off them. One of them put a one by one camera in a little bush and zip tied the limbs together to hold it in place, and he did not have that on the infrared. It was going to be a full moon night and you would get to see stuff, so he didn't have it on infrared. On the other side of it, we had a plot watcher that would go off intermittently and so it should catch anything that's going on. Well, what happened is the next morning they go down there, the plot

27:33 watcher had been turned on the tree away from where the Gifton station is. The one edge by one inch stealth camera had been poked out of those tree limbs and was on the ground to where he couldn't take any pictures. And behind that tree there were a footprinted pressures where something had come up to the behind that tree and poked it out. And I stayed away when they were doing it, and I didn't know anything about it. But then they tried one other time to do stuff and the same type of stuff happened. They would either put stuff in front of it to blocking or they would turn it. People have even said that they drained batteries from them, and I've had that happen here now.

28:21 I had it where I was when I was looking at the deer in the field. I had one camera on a trail and I put brand new batteries in it out of a pack, and then I went to the one that was looking over the area where the deer eat with the same pack. They were the same age cameras. Never had a problem with them. The one on the trail ran for about two months to three months. The one by that lasted one week, and not only that, but later on I found that that one got turned one night and they actually grabbed a deer from where I was feeding them from there. So I think that they are able to do things and intelligent enough to know that the cameras and what they're there for, and they don't do it, so it really does not work.

29:17 So that's the thing about the cameras that a lot of people ask about, because I can't tell you how many times people ask that about why don't you put cameras down there? The next thing is the next biggest thing is DNA. Why don't I get DNA? I've had DNA things with DNA on it, but it's too expensive to do it yourself. And I've even tried to give some to a study. But when you give them to a study in the chain of custody, they want to know exactly where it came from. I'm not willing to do that. I'm trying to protect this group. I want to make sure they're safe as much as I can, so I'm not willing to put down the location that they're at to do the DNA. I had some perfect DNA. Well, I actually have blood on the thing one time. So if anybody says, do are they flesh and blood, yes they are, because I've had one bleed on the gifting station.

30:22 I'd put some stainless steel on the legs to stop the raccoons from getting up there, and one of them came up and touched the edge of it, and blood droplets were on the gifting station. And when they would eat, when the crumbs would go in the corners of the containers, they would stick their finger down in there to get the crumbs on it and lick it. So I know that it was one of them because you could see a finger sliding down the side of it. And it screamed for thirty to forty minutes because it either got salt or sugar in that, and I guess it burned like crazy because it was creaming for thirty to forty minutes.

31:05 My wife called me to go down there. I thought somebody had put a trap or something and it got caught by trout. But then I realized what had happened, and I knew exactly what had happened, So the DNA just I've tried to give it, but it just doesn't work out because I'm not willing to give the location and it's too expensive for me to do by myself. And honestly, I'm a knowwherre of their existence. I'm not trying to prove to people that exist. I'm trying to learn as much as I can learn about Bigfoot, their family, the social structure of the family group, the social structure of the nursery group, how they do things and share it with others, because there's a lot of people that have cohabited with it, but very few of them try to share what seeing because they don't want people to call them crazy, or their family members say never talk about it for a variety of reasons. So there's very few that actually talk about it. And I'm trying to share the information about them, not prove to people that they're real. The next thing is the smell. People say that something came up to them, but it couldn't have been a big Foot because it didn't smell. It didn't have the smell. I've smelled the smell here six times,

32:37 and the smell is going to range or these here. It's going to range from pure skunk smell. We don't have these skunks here, but it has a pure They can have a pure stump smell. It can have a skunk road kill combination smell. It can have a skunk, skunk, wet dogs smell, or any of them by themselves. And once you smell it, that is imprinted on your brain. So the next time you smell it, your brain's gonna say a big foot nearby. I promise you will never forget it. But that's the smells that I've smelled here.

33:18 And I don't know if each one of them has individual smells, but I do know that in the beginning, when they were here and I would get close to them, that's when I would smell the smells. The more the trust and respect God, the less we smelled it. And as a matter of fact, the last one I smelled was a baby because they got close to a baby, and that was a couple of years ago. So now I don't they don't have a they don't have a smell. So it leads me to believe that they have a gland and can admit it themselves, or it's admitted when they get nervous or a little scared, would admit it, but I can't believe that they would have it all the time. And I know they don't because I've had them.

34:13 I've heard them coming down trees within twenty yards of me and there was no smell. So they definitely don't have the smell all the time. Not only that, but just think about it. They're hunters. There are hunters and ambush hunters, so if they smelled that bad, they would never be able to catch a deer because the deer would smell them from hundreds of yards off and get away. So they can't smell like that all the time. But I really think that the more they got to know us and know that we were safe, it quit rising to the point of where the smell would come out.

34:54 Or maybe they were just introducing themselves to me at the beginning and didn't do it the end. I don't know exactly the reason, but I do think it's a gland that it comes from, so like a skunk. Hat of what causes the smell to come out, not sure, but they don't do it all the time, So that's something that a lot of people ask about the smell. And again, what I'm telling you is from I'm big on patterns. So what these things I'm telling you are the patterns that I'm seeing, and then what I hear from others I put to the test with the patterns and see what matches the most. One of the next thing is people ask me about the breeding time, because since we had a nursery side, we've had eleven babies here.

35:51 Out of the eleven babies, now, the baby prints four inches to four and a half inches long, and we've had eleven different babies here. Nine of the eleven have been during a three month period. Then we've had one in the middle of October and we had one the first week of December. But all the others would be in the spring and early summer of when they would be born. Now that's when they would show up here. Now do they do that just because that's when they were coming to the nursery or do they all do that?

36:33 I think that I think they do have a breeding season, much like deer do. But I think that they can breed anytime. They won't if a female comes into estus or heat. So that's another thing that people ask me a lot. I want to talk I want to tell about something that happened to me, that backs up what so many people say. One night, I was got up around it was probably around two thirty in the morning to go to the bathroom. And when I go to the bathroom and the dogs bar, then I always open the door to see if I can hear any vocalizations or hear anything like that. A lot of times they would come right behind the bathroom and even tap on the window for some reason, they seem to know when I'm there. But I opened the door, all of a sudden, I started hearing something sniff. Now, what was sniffing me could not have been anything but a bigfoot. And the reason I say that is this sniff had so much volume going into the body, and it was so long.

37:57 It was twelve was a minimum of nine to twelve seconds filling up his lungs, and it sounded it sounded like he was sucking in as fast as he could he or she could, and the volume going in was astounding. And I think a lot of people when you see pictures of almost of them, how the jet shaped nose where it's real wide at the bottom. I think it's so wide is because it has to be big enough to take that area. Then I closed the door and I tried to breathe it as I could, as hard as I could. It lasted three seconds. So think about that.

38:47 It's at least three to four times the volume air going into their lungs than what we have going into our lungs. And that backs up what people say that they're love capacity is just huge. And I've just been lucky enough to have that instance one time for me to learn exactly how much that's true. I mean, that was crazy. I mean, even if I take it in slow, I can't get more than four or five seconds. I mean, it was just crazy, the amount of volume that it was breathing in out of time. The other thing that has amazed me so much about them is I was talking about the pond, and when you step into the pond, it's got a drop of two to three feet. Now for me, I'm six four. For me to step out of the pond, I would have to have something to pull on, and I may even have to be on my knee and then pull myself out and then stand up.

39:59 When they step out the pond, they step up and their first step is one I have to two foot past the edge. I don't know how they do that. The strength of the size that they have to be, the strength of the thighs, and the flexibility to be able to pull their leg up that much Number one and reach out and then lift the weight on one leg. I do know that most people agree that they have afford lean to them, so they're way is more out front. But the strength, when I see that happening with an adult, I'm just a session in my head. I'm like, There's no way I could do anything like that. None possible.

40:44 How in the world they do it Because there's nothing around for them to pull up on them. They just raise their leg up, step out, and walk out a pond. I thought that was absolutely amazing, the strength that they have in their legs and flexibility they have in their legs. Honestly believe it almost has to be attached differently to do that. But again I have no way of knowing that, you know. So the next thing I want I learned now I learned this early on is their arm length. Their arm length is crazy. When we first made the gifting station, I wanted to get some good footprints. This was before they started leaving them on their own, so I dissed around the gifting station to break up the ground so I can see good get good footprints. I used a five foot wide disk, and of course I didn't hit the edge of the thing, and I did it three or four times, so it probably went out a little more. So I'm estimating that, uh, it went out six foot on all sides. Well. When we got the corner post up to the gifting stage, i'd already been given them apples. I decided to put an apple on each corner post. There were four by fours when they were ten foot long, so by the time you plant in the ground it was probably nine foot something

42:15 like that. So I put an apple on the top of each of the corner posts because I wanted to get some good footprints. What amazed me was when I went back down there there were no footprints, but the apples were gone. It hadn't rained, it had only been two days. The only print I saw was a squirrel print in one corner. But I saw no footprint, none had been disguised, none was in there at all. It was amazing that I said, like, how did they get these apples? And then I looked out from the corner of each one of them, the grass was stop stopped, and it's flattened. And I said, wait a second. That means one was standing here had to reach six foot to give the apple off that post and eat it.

43:15 I said, that is crazy. So then I had a little little study. I've learned things by using common sense and reasonable deduction. Okay, I'm not a scientist. I don't use any true scientific method. I try to use common sense. So what I did was, I'm tall, I'm six four and have long arms. My arms are thirty two inches long. So if you take my arms at thirty two inches long, my arms are forty two percent of the length of my height. Now for me to reach on to my knee and get my hands where it's just, you know, not all the way on my knee, but the fingers about halfway on the fingers is on the knees, it would be another eight inches. So that means their hands would have had to been forty inches long. And if one was the heighth of me and they was forty inches long, that's fifty three percent of their body length.

44:29 Is what their arm length is. Now, I don't take anything else into account. I'm just taking height versus height and arm length versus where the arms are. A lot of people say the knees are lower, which could be, but even it could be a little bit more than that because they have basically their neck is a lot shorter than ours is, so their shoulders would be higher on their body in what hours would if you have a sworder neck with the same height. But anyway, the own expedition befoot. One time they had this lady on that would look at the height. They said that they had a way to determine by its foot leap. So I used the measurements that she gave. The mail's nineteen and a half inches long. I took the nineteen and a half inches by her formula, it said that that one individual was going to be twelve foot three inches tall.

45:42 So when I took that times of fifty three percent, it said that its arm length would have been six and a half foot six point four nine inches. And I'm like, that's crazy. If it was a big mail that was standing here, which I couldn't make any impression out because it's so much of it was just flattened. If it was that big mail, each over there give those apples and eat them. So their arm length is incredible, I mean, and that kind of backed it up because the way that they could have grabbed that, there's no way that they could have jumped up in the air, grabbed an apple and then landed on the other side.

46:28 You're talking about a jump of over twenty feet and then over the thing to get it, So it had to be just pure armly. Now, one of the questions that some people have is at the nursery site that we had, what did they make for the babies to stay in? The two people that were here putting cameras out are the people that the cameras out. People I trusted know that I know they aren't going to give the location away. I didn't tell them about where the mom didn't tell them about where they stayed. There's areas in the woods that I don't go into. It's they feel like it's stairs. I feel like it's stairs, so I don't go into it. So I didn't go in there at all. But I knew that the mom stayed up on top of a ridge and at the base of the hill, they had pushed a big tree down and had something there that the little ones were staying in, and the mob from top of the hill could look right down on the babies. So what they found was there was one blind that was made. It was woven in there and it was really tall, but it was woven there, and it had trails going on both sides

48:00 of it and meeting in front of it, and there were holes on it facing the trails. Then a little bit further down, right below where the mom stayed, there was a huge, huge structure there. It was huge flying there. They had to basically, they said it was like a two room apartment. They said you had to bend over go into it, but you go into it, you can stand up with cleaning. A room in one section had branches in between it like a nursery. And after they told me that all the stuff in there was fresh leaves and it all been flattened. And they told me that about the impression they got was in was a nursery, you know where a baby stayed. And I said, yeah, you're right. I said, because the mom stayed up on top of the hill, she had something there that's now clearcut.

49:02 She owns to be able to keep eye on the babies. And I would think that in that other hide was either where they were one would grab food or maybe even was like a day watcher trying to protect things from going that way, trying to protect them. So they have the amazing abilities to create structures and weave it together that I don't know how they learned to do it. I guess over time you would learn to do it. But they said it was incredible. They just said it was huge. It was like a two room apartment. It was huge. So they actually make things to live in. Now.

49:49 I do know that there are some abandoned structures in that area that I don't go in, so some of them may stay in those abandoned structures also, but I think that was made during the nursery time for the bank to stay in. Let's see, I've got a lot of other things that have happened that I didn't talk about. One of them was really neat the tree knocks. In the very beginning, when we would go to the pond, at least every other time there was a by stream, there was a huge tree, and one would do a tree and I always thought it was probably a day watcher letting them know that I was. We were down there.

50:35 But after a while, when we got to where they knew us, something really strange happened. Now I knew where them because she would always do an alcohol up there on top after the tree knocks, she would do an alcohol from up there on top of the hill. And what was crazy about this time was this was right at the beginning of when they started the new nurse, a new nurse, and I think that was a new one over there that not because it knock. The mom did an alcohol from the top of the hill. Then the one not begin Then the mom did another alcohol from top of the hill about one in the afternoon that this was happening. Then there was another tree knock, and then from the top of the hill. The mom was upset. It went something like that to let the one know that, don't do that. You know they're good, stop doing that. Do you know that ever since that one thing happened, they have never tree knocked again at us from the pond area. Never we had a tree knock down there at the point. Now we know that there we can see where they're going in and out of pond. They never had a tree knock. So I thought that was really really neat. The one other thing

52:09 I'll tell you about the vote, their vocalizations are incredible. They have the ability to mimic anything. Even though the Sierra Sounds think that. They said that they thought they heard the whole all their pots and pans being destroyed. Next morning, nothing had happened. I heard other people say they're out ten miles in the woods that I had to ride horses out and they heard car doors slam. But there's no cars out there. As a matter of fact, a lot of times when the little ones would let us know they were around, we would be at the pond and where the blinds were the little one stayed.

52:54 We would hear a horse, and my wife got so excited. Can you want a horse? She said, there's a horse over there, we can go get it. I just shook my heads a babe, that's not a horse. Heard another horse went in the same spot, and she goes, there's a horse over there, let's go catch it and get it. I said, babe, that is too thick. There is no horse over there. That's them letting us know that they're there. There is no horse over there. There's no horses around us. There was no horse over there. It did it those two times and didn't do it again. But I thought that was see the only thing that that's even stranger than that. Though. We went to the pond one time, and this was also around the nursery time, at the beginning of it, twenty yards from us, I wanted to turn the switch on for the pump to pumps water into the pond. Twenty yards from us. Most beautiful, soothing, relaxing, incredible whistle you ever heard. My wife goes, did you And this is twenty yards from us, behind some briar bushes.

54:08 My wife goes, did you hear that? I said, yeah, they did it, and she goes, that's the most relaxing, beautiful whistle I've ever heard of my life. Said, yeah, it is. And then it did it a third time, and I said to my wife, I said, why don't you whistle back to it? So my wife whistled back to it. And behind that hill is down at the pond, about forty yards from it. The mom or a day watcher. One of them snapped a branch and I'm like, oops, we're in trouble, and she goes why. I said, well, that branch was either being snapped. I let them one know that they're there to protect them, or they're letting and they're letting us know that, Hey, don't be fooling around with one the babies. She goes, I'm not, but I might take that baby does say in the house, because if I get ever got mad, he could do that a couple of times and I've be calmed down.

55:10 I said, oh, don't say that. Don't say that. Says he didn't mean that. He didn't mean that. But I've actually heard bird call that are lasting ten to twelve seconds straight, non stop, that are the most beautiful bird calls I've ever heard, but are not from any bird call that I know. And I always wonder now when I hear that, is that from that same one that was making that whistle sound? I know, but that whistle and those some of those bird whistles I've heard are just unbelievable how beautiful they are. Jeremiah, do you have any questions. I've got a bunch more things that I but I'm trying to I'm doing this out of my head yet. Do you have anything that you want to ask me that people have asked you or things that you have seen?

56:12 And I am testing my microphone. Oh my goodness, I am into some tear. Let me go and talk about another event that happened. Look, can you even hear me right now? In my scariest moments. One of the things that startled me the most in the beginning was I call it my Jurassic Park moment. Before I knew that there were going to be a nursery site, I found out that whenever the male the mail again is not here all the time. The male comes and goes. But what I found out was that the male will mother has a baby.

56:56 When the female has a baby here, he would be here for one to two weeks while she's taking care of the baby, feeding the baby and everything. He'll be here for Lexi's two to three weeks. I one two, it's two to three weeks. One time I got home from work, I was frustrated, had a hard day at work, so I decided to just go there and cool off. So I was on the side of the side, sitting at the pond at one end of the pond. At the other end, behind the hill, they have a huge trail. It's starting to get dark, broosted and I called it one of my Jurassic Part moments because of the fact that he reminds me of an event in Jurassic Park.

57:47 All of a sudden, I'm sitting there and I can hear and feel vibrations coming from the ground, impact vibrations off something bipedal, and it's coming from behind the hill at the other end. Now I don't know how in the world they do this. This is seventy yards away and I'm feeling these footprints, foot these shells hid the ground, and the vibrations from the cibeer side with the suspensions and the seat, I can feel it vibrating the seat from it. It gets to where the beginning of the trail is behind the pond, and there's two huge trees, one on each side. It reached and somehow was touching both trees at the same time and was swaying them back and forth. Both forty to fifty foot talk were swaying back and forth. I'm like, man, the reach and the street that takes to do that. I mean, you'd have to have two machines to do that, not one thing.

58:59 Then it started going a little bit further, but it was behind the hill and I couldn't see it. And then all of a sudden, the doves start flying out the trees in front of and I didn't get scared. I didn't feel like I was. I just got the feeling that I needed to leave, that it wan't to leave. And finally, after he got to the end and started walking up the other side, I'm like, you know, nobody knows that I'm here, nobody knows where I'm at. It's getting dark. I probably should go ahead and leave. And I did. But that's not the only time I felt those vibrations like that. One time I went on an expedition they I was in the tent and one night, and this is a little bit of funny thing that happened on it. We were in the tent, my wife and I and I was sleeping on one side, she was sleeping on the other, and we had behind the tent, we had a portold out there where we could go.

1:00:05 And all of a sudden, I hear something walking outside of our tent on her side. So I'm trying to warn her that something's over there. I love to see her, and it looks like she's bundled up in the sheets in the comforter and stuff. And I said, babe, babe, because I can see the shadow going against the tent. It's right there by the tent, babe, babe, and she goes yeah. Then I realized it's her outside the tent going to use the bathroom, and I said, oh, that's crazy, that's crazy. I just got tricked. I just got tricked.

1:00:45 But the very next night that we were there, I didn't get trigged that time because two o'clock two point fifteen in the morning, I founding again like i'd heard and felt in our place, coming up from a creek, and it was going right by where I decided that I lay on now. I had a glass of water and it had been it was half now, and I drank half of it, and it's sitting on I'm looking at in as this thing is walking next to the tent. Boom boom, boom, And every time you would hit, you would see the water shake on the top of it, like in the one Jurassic part that they had where.

1:01:34 The water was shaken to the impact things. It was the exact same. I don't know what I would have done if it decided to stop right by the tent, but it kept going by, but it was making sure that I knew and I have no idea. They're making those impact things so that you can fill it and hear it. I just don't. I don't have an idea of how they do that at all. And one other thing, I'd go back to their size of their hands. The size of their hands are crazy. I've seen one handprint down by the Gipson station that was half inches long and it was one and a half to two times as wide off each of my fingers. I mean, they were huge. But there was another time that we had to reroof our house a storm and comebine blown off like two hundred tiles all off of our roof. They the tile and dropped it off early one morning, about six o'clock, and they had boxes on top that had like the roof and vents and stuff like that in boxes on the top of it. Was a supervisor of

1:03:04 that group came by and looked at it, and he was actually here when they dropped it off, and then he came back later that afternoon to check on it. And he called me and said, Hey, has anybody been here? And I said, I loved on the camera and we had a camera on the road and I said, no, nobody else been here, said tell Mark dropped the tiles off. He said, that's weird because there is a stick stunk into the roof and the boxes on top. How they handprint that Andre the Giant couldn't make there's a dirty handprint was pushing it, and there's a dirty hand print on the box. He said, I've never seen a handprint that big. I said, okay, I knew what. When they see something strange, they always check it out here, they always go and investigate it and check it out. Later, that supervisor calls me. He had evidently gone over to the other side of the creek, in the area that I don't go into that I considered their area. He went over there, he said, he He said that he was going over there to use the bathroom while the guys were doing the roof. I don't I don't know.

1:04:26 I think he was. I think he had figured out he'd seen some footprints in the yard and figured out that maybe they were a big foot here and was going over there and check it out. Call me. He said, Hey, do you have any kids that play in the woods? And I'm like, no, where He said, if you go down your trail, go across the creek over there to the right. I said, no, that's an area I don't go into So, no, we don't have any kids to play in that area, I said. He said, there's an area in there that probably he said, just huge area and there's no sticks on the ground. Everything's flattened lego blocks down there. And when he's talking about the lego blocks and he's talking about the building blocks when I was young, that has like the the sticks to make little houses and stuff with that are white and they're different colors. And he said that there were girls yellow soft balls down there. There were a couple of basketballs down there, and a couple of munckets down there. He says, like they've been kids have been playing down there, and I said, no, our kids don't go down there. He said that was just weird because something had been in there playing. And that also was around the nursery time, so in my mind I knew what it was. The little ones were down there and everything was flyged off and they were playing down there. Picture how when I

1:05:58 was young, we would lay They had us sit on the rend our legs and roll the ball to the other and I could see them holding the buckets down the road with u softball on the ground and then catching it in the bucket. That's what I can pitch. It was subscribing. I do know it's time because we were here several years before they let us know. They were here for several years at the basketball goal where the basketball was, the basketballs would disappear, they would be gold and forever. I was blaming the kids for.

1:06:39 I don't know, dude. I'm pretty sure we got We got the interview though, but I don't know. It was like you start talking about the nursery and then everything just went crazy on that. It was nuts. It was really weird. I'm sure there's just a coincidence, but it was just this very strange dude. I think we definitely got a lot of good information for an interview, but I mean when you were asking me, when I was there, like ten to fifteen minutes ago, I was trying to talk to you, and it wouldn't it wouldn't let me talk to you. It was the weirdest thing. I know. I couldn't hear a thing.

1:07:19 I do have a question to ask you. I'm just going to ask you a few minutes ago, but do you have any plan in place to try to make things safer for the big focus? You said there were people that are trying to shoot into your property. I've kind of communicated to them where they need to be, but they're starting to shoot at night with night business scopes and stuff owned our property, and so like this, this whole thing is like, you know, like I said, there's four different bottles that come into this one spot, so they travel through here all the time, and I don't know how to stop that. I thought, well, maybe I need to call the cops, you know, because I can tell they're shooting down onto the property. All you're going to do is chap them off anymore. And you can't prove anything. I can hear because I hunted all the time. I know they're shooting from the ridge down on to our property because they clear cut everything else.

1:08:24 But how do I prove to a cop that they're shooting down there? Then what do I do? Say, Yeah, they're shooting a big foot. You know, that's not going to work. So I don't really know how to When the leaves start coming back home, then they'll be more protected. That's the reason why before when they had that property, they would stay in that property in the daytime because they have more pines in that property. They would stay there in the daytime, but they would come back here at night. So I don't know what I can do to protect them. You know, they don't want anybody around the area. I can't go and put security guard around the place, so I don't know. I don't all of it.

1:09:14 I'm thought about. All I can do is try to communicate with them and let them know where they are. And then all of a sudden, I find this hide in the field right next to our place, where no management shooting. Looking at the gifted station, I'm like wow. And then I look at a picture of that field into what and there two months earlier, So I'm like, well, at least they're not an area they're getting shot at, you. Know, yeah, absolutely, absolutely, It's so. It's amazing they're trying to stay here. It's totally amazing that they're still trying to stay here with all that they're going through, right with the habitat destruction, people shooting at them. I'm I'm truly blessed that they're still trying to stay here.

1:09:59 Absolutely, it is. It's a fascinating, you know story to see how things are unfolding, you know, as you go back to the beginning, and now you go back to how things are now, and I'm sure you know people will be able to follow along as you are releasing you know, different books in the series of five, you'll probably be sharing more information. I know the one you sent me there's even pictures in it from around the property, which which is really cool. I do want. To try to take pictures of it as a proof source. Now, pictures are don't look as good as what your eyes see.

1:10:41 You know, your eyes three and three dimensions. The pictures are one dimensional, so they don't you're not seeing as clearly as I can see it. Because like the one with the chair and the pond, if you would have seen if I would have backed up a little bit and hindslass twenty twenty, so you can see the other chair just like you're just sitting there, not moved. And then you see that one in the water sitting straight up and down. You're like, how did live in there? And end up straight up and down on a two foot two to three foot vertical drop and it ends up being straight up and down And the other one didn't even move, and that's right beside. It, right, you know, Yeah, it's wild, so wild stuff I do want to also mention that you have bigfoot talk dot Com the website, and uh yes, listeners can get a lot of really good information on on that.

1:11:33 But if you want something where you can actually hold it in your hands and you know, take it on a trip or something, You've got the books as well, which is is great. But but Neil, thank you so much for coming on on the show. You you did. Ah, you were at a conference right, you had done a a presentation of a conference. Conference last March, and we were going to try to do it every year, but then I had some health issues come up last year. Thank goodness, I'm over it now. Plus I was trying to take care of my mom at the same time. So that's when I think the second one or I want to Anyway, I wasn't able to get out as much as I have been in the past because my mom had stayed in the hospital and I was there with her, and I called a bacteria and ended up turning septic, and then it got into my toe and got into the ball and so I had to get that toe amputated to stop it from getting the rest of my body. So I went through that last year and then another one got infaded from it, but that one we were able to save.

1:12:47 So I've had a little rough year last year or so the conference I put it on hold. I'm trying to maybe do it at another location the next time we do it, But I don't want to abandon it. I just wanted to with all that I had going on, I've had to try to take care of my health first to make sure that gets back. Yeah, one hundred percent. I mean, you made the right choice. You got to make sure that there's only one Neil out there. You know, you got to take care take care of Neil for sure. But you know, I'm just I'm glad you were able to come on the show today and share such an interesting update. Uh be interesting to see where things go from here. But is there anything else, any other things that you would like listeners to know about, how you know they can keep up to date with with what you've got going on with Bigfoot Talk.

1:13:40 Well, I try to put a lot of the things that I see into the bigfoot tall dot com Facebook page. The bigfoot tall dot com on the Internet tells you a lot about the patterns and stuff that you can see and what people think has caused it, And of course the first book that says Understanding Bigfoot, I've got a detail on what you can expect camping, fishing, hunting, hiking, what you can expect to happen from them. And then at the end it goes over all the patterns that are different than what other animals do. Now, it may be why they may do it, what's the best way to handle it? That's why I did that book. And now I'm starting this five book series that is covering things that have happened here while we've been here with pictures if I have pictures of it at the time, so that I can share with everybody what we have seen and what we've learned about them, because I think it's important for people to share what they learn. I think it's a shame for people to try to hide everything that they're seeing and not telling other people about it, because the only way we're going to figure this out is by sharing the information.

1:15:00 All right, I agree, one hundred percent. Yeah, The only only way we'll be able to figure out what's going on in this field is everyone starts to share information. And I know that's there's a few ways to look at that, but that's how I feel on it. But Neil Ryder, thank you so much for coming on the show. We will definitely be keeping in touch with you in the future. And good luck with you and this Sasquatch family that's on your property. Thank you so much, and I hope you have a great night. Have you ever heard all the accounts of bigfoot activity around Oakridge, Oregon and you think to yourself, Man, I would love to get out in those woods and experience it for myself. Well, guess what this year you can.

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