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Sept. 29, 2026

He Watched It Erase Its Tracks Before Leaving the River

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A hunter in the mountains of Northern California looked down from a ridge and saw a massive creature kneeling beside a river.


He watched it cup water in its hand and drink.


Then it carefully smoothed the sand to erase its tracks.


Erica Canevari is a Northern California author, farrier, equestrian, and lifelong Humboldt County local. Her novel The Carrying draws on her knowledge of Bigfoot, horses, wilderness travel, and the Marble Mountains. Behind the fiction are years spent listening to the people who say they’ve encountered something unexplained in this legendary corner of Bigfoot country.


Erica has collected stories from hunters, tribal members, horse owners, heavy-equipment operators, and people traveling the remote highways of Northern California.


In this episode, she shares reports of an orangutan-like creature stopping in the middle of a highway, a heavy-equipment operator who believed he was surrounded in the mountains, strange activity around the Hoopa Reservation, unexplained sounds deep in the redwoods, and a woman who reported watching something enter a glowing portal near Eureka.


Erica also takes us into the Marble Mountains, Dinsmore, Highway 36, Humboldt’s dark rural roads, and the patterns she has noticed after listening to roughly 1,500 firsthand accounts and testimonies.


Resources:

https://www.anessentialadventure.com

Original Marble Mountain video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eD8XSQbayXs

The Carrying book:
https://www.amazon.com/Carrying-Untamed-Wilderness-Carries-Through-ebook/dp/B0H6CD1CY5/

Willow Creek China Flat Museum:
https://thebigfootmuseum.com

Hoopa Project book by David Paulides:
https://www.amazon.com/Hoopa-Project-Bigfoot-Encounters-California-ebook/dp/B07XVRRWX4/



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And then when the creature went to move away from

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the water, it did so very carefully, and then it

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smoothed the sand to erase its tracks.

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In the mountains of Northern California, a hunter looked down

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from a ridge and watched something kneeling beside a river.

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What caught his attention wasn't simply what he saw. It

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was what the creature apparently did before it walked away.

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And I'm Jeremiah Byron, and this is Bigfoot Society. All right,

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Bigfoot Society, welcome back. Today, we've got the privilege of

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talking to author Erica Canaveri today from Humboldt County, California.

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Welcome to the show, Erica. How are you doing?

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Thanks, Jeremiah. Good to be here with you. I'm doing well.

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Awesome.

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It's good to hear. I've read your book, The Carrying.

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I saw you post about it on Facebook because the

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algorithm gives me all the Bigfoot stuff right away, which

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is great. And I was just really interested in it.

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And I read it. I just want to talk about

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it for a minute. It's a great book. Um, it

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is very obvious that, you know, your subject matter. And

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I don't want to, I don't want to spoil it,

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but it's like, so I would say, I'm going to

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say it is, it's a fiction book, right?

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It is.

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It's a fiction book, but it's very grounded in, And

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you know your subject matter. Horse riding is prevalent in it.

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The Marble Mountain wilderness is prevalent in it, too. And

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I believe you've actually spent time over the years as

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a horse rider in that area, correct?

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I have, yes.

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Yeah, so you definitely know the area. Of course, listeners

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might recognize that area from the famous... video back in

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the day of the youth group hanging out in the

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marble mountains. And you've got the figure on top of

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the mountains and the tall figure kind of walking and

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all that stuff. I'll try to link that in the

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show notes because it's old. Maybe some listeners don't know

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what I'm talking about. Also, it's a very, it's a

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very cool way to present the Bigfoot topic. I would

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recommend listeners get the book. You will, by the time

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that you have I, by the time I have this out,

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you will have the audio book version out as well,

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which is really cool. Uh, it's extremely well done. I

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don't want to spoil anything about it. Uh, even, even

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the way it's written, it's just take, take my, uh, uh,

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just get a copy of it. It's worth it guys. Um, it's,

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it's very well done. So Bravo on that. I've read

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a lot of, uh, things over the years and, and

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that was, um, that was very, uh, enjoyable and, um,

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You know your stuff. So after I read it, I

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was like, man, I need to talk to Erica even more.

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We even have this interview set up. But how did

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you get into the Bigfoot topic to begin with, Erica?

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Well, just growing up in Humboldt County, we are coastal

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Humboldt here in Northern California, surrounded by the Redwood Forest.

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And it's just basically the epicenter of Bigfoot culture. We

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have Willow Creek to the east, which is where the

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Patterson Gimlin film was taken. And, you know, footprints and

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all kinds of lore. We have native tribes here whose

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histories include Bigfoot. And, you know, he's just been here

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a long, long time. And so, yeah, he's a local.

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I'm a local. And that's how I got introduced to

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the subject. I had several questions. experiences in the woods

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that piqued my interest as a young person. And I

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just started reading and learning everything I could. And eventually

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I really got into a habit of listening to firsthand accounts.

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And I put a Craigslist.

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Ad up looking for locals who had had experiences and

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were willing to be interviewed. And that really cracked open

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a lot for me.

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It was fun.

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Oh my goodness. Did that work?

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It did work.

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Yeah.

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I met some really neat people.

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Holy mackerel. I'm blown away by that. I never thought

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of doing that. That's amazing. That worked for you.

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Wow.

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It did. Yeah.

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Okay. Well, I know what I'm going to try to do.

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Great.

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Yeah. We have a lot of wild country up here,

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you know, a lot of national and state parks. So

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there's a lot of just wilderness. And we also have

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a lot of water, big rivers and deep and fast rivers.

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And so a lot of the Bigfoot sightings and, myths

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come from those sorts of areas so we're just kind

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of ripe for it here oh.

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Yeah it is it is one of uh the areas

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um there are certain areas when when people reach out

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from uh and you know whenever i get any bigfoot

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report in in the email i'm like very like oh

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yeah that's let's check it out let's check it out

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but there are certain parts where it's like that it's

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like ding and Humboldt County is like, okay, it's on.

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The other would be certain areas in Oregon, of course,

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but my goodness. So would you be able to share,

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would you mind sharing what were the types of things

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that you experienced yourselves to yourself in the woods?

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So I have not had a visual sighting, which I

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think I'm a little glad for because I think that

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would scare me a lot, but I have heard quite

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a few unidentifiable sounds.

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The most recent one was last year.

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I'm lucky enough to be friends with a few of

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the people who travel around Humboldt County and measure the

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tallest redwoods in the world. And I was out with

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them on an expedition. And we were off of Matole

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Road in southern Humboldt, kind of near the Avenue of

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the Giants.

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And we were off-trail.

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And this is a remote area that would be rare

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to see anybody.

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And we heard basically a stomp and a growl.

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And my initial subconscious thought was someone's coming up the

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trail behind us.

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With a dog.

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And then I remembered that we weren't anywhere where that

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would be fathomable. And so I turned around and my

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friend who was ahead of me, he turned around and

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I looked at him and the look on his face

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scared me so bad that my blood kind of ran cold.

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Like you could tell something had really caught both of

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our attention. And it sort of sounded, we hike a

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lot with the walking sticks to help us get over

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boulders or big trees.

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And, you know, if you're walking.

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Along and you hit the end of your walking stick

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into a tree root under the ground, it.

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Can sometimes make that kind of noise like that.

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And that's sort of what the stomp sounded like. And

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then it was accompanied with this weird growl. And this

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was mid-afternoon, you know, broad daylight. And it was just

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very strange. But what corroborated it for me was the

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look on his face that.

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I've never seen before. He was really freaked.

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So we huddled up and all got back to the

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vehicle and got out of there pretty quickly.

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And my other sighting was.

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Longer ago in about 2007 or something like that. And

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that was up off of Highway 299, which runs between

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Eureka and Redding, California, near an area called Berry Summit.

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And we were on private property, just kind of goofing around.

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And my friend had a big four-wheel drive truck that

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we were out mobbing around in in the woods. And

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we stopped at this pond to kind of play around

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and fish. And we heard this strange knocking in the trees.

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And it was four knocks, which coordinated with four people.

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And I didn't have any idea what it was.

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It was just weird.

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And then later, when we got back home... you know,

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the internet was just sort of becoming popular and I

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got online and started looking up knocking and that sort

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of what really spurred me that moment, um, and finding

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other people that had witnessed and heard knocks and finding

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out that that was a, a behavior associated with Bigfoot

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was sort of my introduction to the whole, the whole thing.

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So that started it all. Wow.

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Um, At that point, you were probably stumbling upon, was

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it like forums you were finding this information in?

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Yes.

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Okay.

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Yeah, that was sort of the format of the internet

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back then.

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Right.

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People writing.

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Yeah, there were a few. Think of a few Bigfoot

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forums back then. So yeah, that definitely checks out. And

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then how much longer after that did you start It

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sounded like you started really digging into trying to talk

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to different people in the area or your county that

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have had Bigfoot experiences and maybe getting that information.

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Yeah, one thing that I'll mention about my life that's

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sort of given me a different perspective than most people

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is that I spend my life outside. I'm a farrier,

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a horseshoer, and so I travel all around the county

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to private residences, and I spend several hours in these

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folks' home on their property outside with their horses and

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you know, they're there attending the animal while I work

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on it. And so you kind of have a captive

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audience and sometimes I'm their captive audience and people tell

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you stories and you just get into sort of a

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rhythm of sharing with these folks and develop a rapport

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with them over the years. And so really my first

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interviews started with my clients and just asking them, Hey,

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have you ever heard anything weird out here? Or a

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lot of them, of course, were equestrians. And so they,

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spent time in the wilderness as well and pack into

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the back country. And so I heard a lot of

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really compelling stories. Um, not a lot of sightings sightings

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are rare, but people finding trees that were knocked over

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and like stepped into the mud with such a deep

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impression that it just couldn't have been, it took something

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very heavy, you know, to leave that mark, uh, things

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like that.

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And certain smells associated, um, Yeah.

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And a lot of it happened in the Marble Mountains,

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which is sort of the inspiration behind my book. I

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did not have any sightings or interactions in the Marble

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Mountains during my time there. But it's certainly something that's

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come up again and again in stories.

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That I've been relayed.

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And ironically, you know, we're talking about the California redwoods

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and the big feet. A lot of times I hear

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people talk about how their fur looks like redwood bark.

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It's that red color, that shagginess. And I think that

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that's a real sense of camouflage for them here.

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They're at home in the Redwoods.

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Oh, is that, that's a detail that comes up a

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lot in the witness accounts that you're hearing in Humboldt County.

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Yes, exactly.

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Interesting. Because I don't think I've ever actually, that is

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so cool. So you are getting these really awesome details, uh,

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because you're focusing on this one geographic area. I love that.

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Are there any, uh, Have you noticed that the people

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that you're talking to, they refer to the Bigfoot in

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a certain way? Certain geographic areas have almost regional names

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for the Bigfoot.

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No, not more specific than the Marble Mountains.

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I do have a lot of testimony that involves roadside crossings.

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So the highways are sort of another hotspot, it seems.

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These dark rural highways that surround me.

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Gotcha. I would imagine you're talking about like 299 and 96,

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101 maybe?

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Yes. And Highway 36 as well, which goes over to

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Red Bluff.

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Oh, yeah, yeah.

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Further south. Got it.

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Yep.

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Down by like Fortuna and Dinsmore. I've gotten things from Dinsmore.

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Yep. Yes.

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Very interesting. So when you're talking to your clients, equestrian clients,

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does it ever come up where there have been strange

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things done to the horses and the clients are confused?

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No, that's something I've never heard of, honestly.

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And maybe to one version of what I might be

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referring to is like, hey, I'm going out to my

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horse and their mane is braided in a certain way

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and I don't braid the horse's mane that way. Does

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that ever come up?

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No, I've never heard that. That is really neat though.

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Yeah, it can get very interesting. It's quite the rabbit

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hole to go down. Very, very interesting. So when you

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are talking to all these people, are you writing things

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down or you're just kind of keeping a, a record

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in your head and making, uh, making connections as you

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go along.

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Yes, of course I'm a writer.

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So I take notes and I have a binder that

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I keep it all in and it's just fascinating.

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I think it deserves to be taken down and recorded.

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And once you start digging into the subject, you realize

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it just cracks wide open.

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There's just hundreds of thousands of sightings.

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I mean, And then once you start listening to them,

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if you have an open mind, you start hearing the

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same things over and over again, and you develop a

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pattern of behavior that you can piece together for these creatures.

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And to me, that corroborates them more than anything. People

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are experiencing the same things all over the United States

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and really all over the world. Yep.

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Yeah. You, you totally get it. Um, What has been

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some of the most, is there an eye-opening detail about

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the Bigfoot that you've come to realize by hearing it

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over and over again in reports out of Humboldt County?

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Oh, not specifically out of Humboldt County, but I think

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that Bigfoot is quite magical, and I think that his

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magic is... what makes him frightening to the American government.

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And I think that they.

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Refuse to acknowledge him because if they did, they would

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have to expose certain traits of our realm, so to speak.

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And they don't want people having that knowledge. And so

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I think that the Bigfoot conspiracy is because he's sort

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of a remnant from the magic that we all used

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to enjoy and know dearly, uh, here living on earth. And,

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and they don't want people to have that or know

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about it. Yeah.

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Yeah, totally. Oh, I love it. Uh, what are some things,

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are there things that you've heard then that make you

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or made you realize that that Bigfoot has a magical

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side to it? And can you maybe go into detail

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about what that magical side might entail?

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Well, people talk about him disappearing right before their eyes.

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There's theories that he's interdimensional. And when you start to

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study the facts and the way the world works, we

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know we're dealing with an electrical vibrational realm here.

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And obviously, in my opinion.

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Anyway, this creature, this Bigfoot, he is perfectly adapted to

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this environment.

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Way more than human beings are.

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And I just find that incredibly fascinating. He was meant

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to live here. He has the camouflage.

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He can hunt and gather.

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And, you know, he just kind of makes us look

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like aliens of our own kind. So I really think

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that he's the original inhabitant of Earth. And he's perfectly

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suited with this magical place that we live.

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Fascinating. So have you heard specific accounts then in your

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area where Let's say there's been things like that entailed,

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like maybe seeing one disappear or portal or things that

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would be more on the paranormal side of the accounts.

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I certainly have.

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And it's fun because once you kind of get a

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reputation as being a safe place for people to share things,

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then everyone's knocking at your door and wants to share.

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And they have a weird story that they've never shared

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with anyone before. And I get those kinds of things

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a lot. And one of the more recent ones I

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had was a woman in town who I've known for

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about 10 years. And she works at a local restaurant

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and she contacted me and wanted to share her experience,

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which happened in a state park, very near.

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Our capital of Humboldt is Eureka.

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And not far from there, she saw something, she was

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with her dog and she saw this like glowing thing.

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the word portal that you use is the perfect description.

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And they saw something walk into it and disappear. And

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she was just really looking for a safe place to

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share that information with.

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And I've never personally.

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Seen anything like that, but I don't limit myself on

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what I'll take in any information and add it to

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my collection, so to speak. And so for me, listening

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to her account was really fascinating and I was happy

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that she shared that with me.

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That is, that's extremely fascinating. Do you have a account

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that stands out in your mind as maybe a favorite

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one that you've heard or something, one that you've learned

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the most from about, about the Bigfoot?

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I do.

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Yeah.

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One of our, elders locally he shared a story and

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he was hunting and he was up in the mountains

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sort of north of Denny California very very rural and

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he came up on a ridge top and he looked

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down below him at the river and there was a

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creature knelt down at the edges the water, cupping his

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hand to the water and bringing it to his mouth.

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And he watched the creature drink. And then when the

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creature went to move away from the water, it did

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so very carefully and then it smoothed the sand to.

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Erase its tracks. And he watched that.

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And just recounting that right now gives me the chills.

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It's just so neat.

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And I think conveys so much intelligence and so much

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more about these creatures than just being some wild animal.

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That I've never, I've never heard anything like that. And

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that is a game changer. That's some amazing information. And

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it really, if you've read your book, then a lot

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of stuff makes sense because you're, You're definitely like taking

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things you're learning from these witness accounts and you kind

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of worked them right in, which is great. I mean,

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you did a great job.

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Thank you.

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You did a really good job on it. So when

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you say you've spent over a thousand hours researching, would

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you say most of those thousand hours then have been

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talking to witnesses?

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Mostly just listening.

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Oh, yeah, exactly. That's exactly it.

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And yeah, it's been so fun.

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And then to take all of that and all my

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equestrian experience and love and my life experiences and weaving

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that together into my book has really been a joy.

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And I processed a lot of grief writing this book.

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And I think it's just a lovely, safe place for

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people to process some deep emotions and learn something new

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about something that's so curious and fun as Bigfoot mysterious.

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It's, um, it's interesting conversation to have, um, because that,

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what you just mentioned, you, you processed a lot of

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grief writing and grief is, is a big part of,

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of the book as well. Um, and, and, So reading

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through the book and then looking back at the contents

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of the book and you're like, of course it made

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perfect sense probably why this individual had happened what happened

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in the book because, and I don't know if you've

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found this in your listening to witnesses, but something that

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will come up over and over is I had this

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highly traumatic experience happened in my life. And then I

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felt drawn to go out into the woods and that's

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when the encounter happened. And I've just found that come

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up over and over in the people I've talked to.

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Is that something you've noticed come up in, in your

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conversations as well, that those experiences seem to be related or,

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or maybe that's not the case.

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I do Jeremiah.

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I think there's a good, a good point there. And

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that is the premise of my book. And I have

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had people share that. And I am sort of a

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fan of the saying, you don't find Bigfoot, Bigfoot finds you.

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And I think that, you know, as we were talking earlier,

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we live in an electrical realm and frequency is everything.

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And so these animals, you know, I work with the

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horses every day and they can read our frequency from

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100 yards away. They know what kind of day you're

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having before you even step out of the truck. And

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so I understand that on such a deep level that

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the way we're feeling has far reaches. And so I

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really do believe that the Bigfoot could be sensing something

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about these people that are going into the woods for

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solace and for healing. And he feels that heaviness that's

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on them.

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That's really well put. How much.

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If you were to look over, I mean, you've talked

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to so many people, I would imagine how many of

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those accounts have been people that are actually looking for

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the Bigfoot versus a person who's just in the woods

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trying to experience nature or something more similar to what

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we were just talking about?

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That is such a good question.

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I've never thought about that before now, but I have

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to say, 100% of the ones I have heard, the

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firsthand witness testimony are people that have just been in

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the woods and had something happen. They weren't out looking

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for Bigfoot or Sasquatch.

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Yeah, it really makes you, hopefully it makes listeners take

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a few minutes and think about how, what my intention

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is when I'm going out. uh, maybe I should just

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be going out for different reasons and, and not, you know,

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trying to track down Bigfoot or hunt them down. And, and, uh, yeah, it's,

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it should lead, it should also have you think about

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the people you're going out with and being aware of

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what their intentions are, because that could lead to a

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totally different experience than maybe you're wanting to, to have, um,

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something that you mentioned, actually, hold on. There's another thing

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that you, um, you brought up and I wanted to

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dig into it. Um, because you had also kind of

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alluded to, uh, the, the government might know something about

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what's going on, which I agree with you a hundred percent.

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I think that is the case, but are there things

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that you've experienced through accounts or yourself that make you

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think that, Hey, the government might know something about what's

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going on with these Bigfoot?

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Oh, Nothing really on the local accounts.

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Um, some of the other information that I've processed that

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came from the internet itself, there's definitely been a really

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compelling stories told, um, even about Navy bases and things

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like that. Um, I remember one where, um, some private

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was told to go out and hunt this chimp and

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he ended up shooting, uh, two big feet, big foot and,

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They were taken away in a helicopter and he was

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told that this never happened.

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That's one that comes to mind. But I have been watching.

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These fires and I sort of wonder if the fires

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are meant to sort of squash the population or move

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them to different ground.

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I'm concerned about that.

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Honestly, I think a lot of our wild lands are

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being burned up and It's definitely going to impact the

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population of Sasquatch.

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In some way.

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It's quite an interesting theory for sure. I've been looking

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into how animals or Bigfoot could be affected by certain

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regions burning through these huge fires in the Pacific Northwest

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in Northern California. And you start to... to look at,

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you know, how these large places are burned, but then

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what are the places next to it that animals could

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go to like the elk. And then that could be

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a place where the Bigfoot start to, to congregate after their,

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their home. And I'm thinking of places like, um, just

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West of Mount hood recently. Uh, and then, well, are

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00:27:40.809 --> 00:27:44.250
they going to, or sorry, east of Mount Hood? And

465
00:27:44.309 --> 00:27:46.930
are they going to more west of Mount Hood where

466
00:27:47.630 --> 00:27:51.460
already there's a lot of things going on? I don't know.

467
00:27:51.539 --> 00:27:55.940
Interesting stuff to look into. There was a phrase that

468
00:27:56.059 --> 00:28:00.079
kept coming up in your book that I thought was interesting.

469
00:28:01.220 --> 00:28:04.319
And I'm not going to be able to say the

470
00:28:04.359 --> 00:28:07.900
exact phrase, but I'll try to track it down in

471
00:28:07.940 --> 00:28:13.349
my memory. Your main character was there would be points

472
00:28:13.670 --> 00:28:17.950
when she would realize something is going on and then

473
00:28:18.069 --> 00:28:23.279
she would go to sleep. And instead of, uh, fighting, uh,

474
00:28:24.480 --> 00:28:28.059
something that she would, she would welcome it in. And

475
00:28:28.180 --> 00:28:31.460
I thought, hopefully you get what I'm referring to, but

476
00:28:31.480 --> 00:28:34.660
I thought that was very, very interesting. Um, did you

477
00:28:34.700 --> 00:28:38.720
have any, any thoughts about what that particular, what you

478
00:28:38.740 --> 00:28:41.180
were trying to get across with that particular phrase, how

479
00:28:41.220 --> 00:28:43.740
she kept And, you know, some people go out into

480
00:28:43.769 --> 00:28:45.710
the woods and something happens. They have a tree knock

481
00:28:45.750 --> 00:28:47.230
and they're like, oh, I'm going to freak out and

482
00:28:47.269 --> 00:28:49.910
get out of here. But instead, this main character is,

483
00:28:50.430 --> 00:28:53.150
you know, she's like, hey, whatever happens, happens. I welcome it.

484
00:28:53.690 --> 00:28:57.609
And that just seems to be an interesting crossroads in

485
00:28:57.670 --> 00:28:59.470
the subject of Bigfoot, I think.

486
00:29:00.470 --> 00:29:02.829
Thank you so much for picking that out of the book.

487
00:29:02.869 --> 00:29:05.710
I think it's one of the more important themes in

488
00:29:05.750 --> 00:29:10.509
the book. And I went through my own profound loss

489
00:29:10.650 --> 00:29:14.329
and grief. which spurred me to write this book. And

490
00:29:14.369 --> 00:29:17.930
I think that for anyone who's been through that, you

491
00:29:17.970 --> 00:29:21.799
kind of get to a point where you just don't

492
00:29:22.380 --> 00:29:25.279
have any fight left in you and you kind of

493
00:29:25.319 --> 00:29:30.099
become more attuned to a process of surrendering.

494
00:29:31.039 --> 00:29:33.670
And I've had a lot of questions about that.

495
00:29:33.529 --> 00:29:37.849
Particular incident in the book and what happens to Nora

496
00:29:37.869 --> 00:29:42.920
and the decision she makes after the accident, I'll say.

497
00:29:43.720 --> 00:29:43.920
And so.

498
00:29:45.460 --> 00:29:49.299
People who haven't experienced profound loss are like, why didn't

499
00:29:49.339 --> 00:29:50.680
she get the heck out of there?

500
00:29:50.700 --> 00:29:55.690
And for me, I'm like, well, if you've ever really

501
00:29:55.730 --> 00:29:59.849
been in somebody's shoes like that, then you understand why.

502
00:30:00.049 --> 00:30:04.509
And for me, I really think that my main character, Nora,

503
00:30:04.569 --> 00:30:09.589
was seeking connection and she had received enough of it

504
00:30:09.730 --> 00:30:12.819
to know that the wilderness could provide.

505
00:30:12.470 --> 00:30:13.119
That for her.

506
00:30:13.380 --> 00:30:17.039
And so her commitment to stay just sort of became

507
00:30:17.220 --> 00:30:22.960
her choosing to allow that to continue despite the other

508
00:30:23.200 --> 00:30:26.849
issues going on in her life at the time. She

509
00:30:26.869 --> 00:30:31.049
was really reaching for that solace and that sense of connection.

510
00:30:30.990 --> 00:30:31.619
And she found it.

511
00:30:31.630 --> 00:30:37.250
Oh, absolutely. Is that also based on anything that you've

512
00:30:37.309 --> 00:30:41.589
heard and witness accounts in the area over the years? Hmm.

513
00:30:41.630 --> 00:30:46.279
That's a good question. No, I don't think so. Just

514
00:30:46.299 --> 00:30:47.940
my own, my own life.

515
00:30:48.779 --> 00:30:52.720
Gotcha. Another thing, I would say another theme that comes

516
00:30:52.799 --> 00:31:00.589
up in the book is the subject of gifting, which

517
00:31:00.670 --> 00:31:04.059
is really interesting not to get a lot into it,

518
00:31:04.650 --> 00:31:09.750
but was that something, I mean, obviously the way it's written,

519
00:31:09.869 --> 00:31:15.960
like you get how how things progress, is that also

520
00:31:16.019 --> 00:31:19.119
based on things that would come up in witness accounts?

521
00:31:19.440 --> 00:31:22.240
Or was that more out of your own research that

522
00:31:22.299 --> 00:31:26.279
you've done on maybe listening to shows and reading things

523
00:31:26.339 --> 00:31:26.839
on the internet?

524
00:31:27.660 --> 00:31:32.819
Surprisingly, neither. I've never written a novel before. This is

525
00:31:32.859 --> 00:31:36.650
my first one. And it was so interesting. I've been

526
00:31:36.690 --> 00:31:41.170
a fan of reading, obviously, my whole life. And I've

527
00:31:41.349 --> 00:31:45.769
always wondered if the authors put all these little details

528
00:31:45.950 --> 00:31:49.069
in the story or does the story sort of develop

529
00:31:49.190 --> 00:31:52.509
on its own as it's building? And I can say

530
00:31:52.569 --> 00:31:57.019
that it's both. And what I experienced was the book

531
00:31:57.059 --> 00:31:57.869
sort of takes.

532
00:31:57.799 --> 00:31:59.940
On a life and an energy of its own.

533
00:32:00.400 --> 00:32:04.829
And so those little details were just I don't even

534
00:32:04.869 --> 00:32:06.150
feel like they came from me.

535
00:32:06.210 --> 00:32:07.789
They just kind of came through me.

536
00:32:08.190 --> 00:32:11.519
And that was just the evolution of the story, which

537
00:32:11.559 --> 00:32:16.920
was very organic and sort of seemed to be its

538
00:32:17.099 --> 00:32:21.619
own being almost that I just kind of helped bring through.

539
00:32:21.640 --> 00:32:21.720
Yeah.

540
00:32:23.640 --> 00:32:25.799
So how did you know that stuff?

541
00:32:27.119 --> 00:32:27.900
About the gifting?

542
00:32:28.359 --> 00:32:30.519
Yeah. It sounds like you kind of just answered it though.

543
00:32:31.400 --> 00:32:31.579
Yeah.

544
00:32:31.599 --> 00:32:31.700
Yeah.

545
00:32:32.240 --> 00:32:35.819
I mean, obviously, I've heard reports of people going out

546
00:32:35.859 --> 00:32:38.200
and leaving apples or something. And as you know, the

547
00:32:38.240 --> 00:32:41.220
gifting that occurs in my book is much different than that.

548
00:32:41.680 --> 00:32:41.980
It is.

549
00:32:42.259 --> 00:32:46.750
And more tender and personal. So, yeah, I think I'm

550
00:32:46.789 --> 00:32:48.029
not really a fan of gifting.

551
00:32:48.069 --> 00:32:50.009
I don't think that's really a great thing to do,

552
00:32:50.069 --> 00:32:52.410
to go out and try to leave food for a Bigfoot.

553
00:32:52.549 --> 00:32:57.009
But in the context of my story, the gifting is

554
00:32:57.029 --> 00:32:59.779
a much different vibe.

555
00:33:00.420 --> 00:33:02.240
There's a different....

556
00:33:04.539 --> 00:33:08.380
Feeling and motivation behind it than just leaving food so

557
00:33:08.420 --> 00:33:10.079
that you might catch a sight of something.

558
00:33:10.099 --> 00:33:11.180
Okay.

559
00:33:12.259 --> 00:33:14.880
Were there other parts of the story as well that were,

560
00:33:15.319 --> 00:33:20.109
that kind of came, uh, came across or came about

561
00:33:20.309 --> 00:33:22.829
organically and you kind of like, I don't know really

562
00:33:22.869 --> 00:33:26.250
where that came from, but here it is. Yeah.

563
00:33:26.349 --> 00:33:30.680
There's a scene in the end where, um, Oh gosh.

564
00:33:30.759 --> 00:33:32.819
I just can't even really say anything about it.

565
00:33:32.799 --> 00:33:34.059
Without giving too much away.

566
00:33:34.140 --> 00:33:35.559
I feel, well, we can leave it at that.

567
00:33:35.579 --> 00:33:39.849
There definitely were, were other parts that evolved.

568
00:33:39.490 --> 00:33:39.970
On their own.

569
00:33:41.089 --> 00:33:43.730
There's yeah. The end gets pretty wild. Uh, you gotta

570
00:33:43.750 --> 00:33:46.349
read the book. Um, but, uh, so, okay. So that

571
00:33:46.369 --> 00:33:49.269
kind of gives me, I've read it. So I can

572
00:33:49.309 --> 00:33:51.650
kind of be like, Oh, I may, I can ask

573
00:33:51.690 --> 00:33:54.430
you off, off air too. Um, but I, I kind

574
00:33:54.470 --> 00:33:56.269
of get what you're referring to. Cause it does get

575
00:33:56.369 --> 00:34:01.730
very interesting at the end. Um, It's good stuff. It's

576
00:34:01.769 --> 00:34:11.199
good stuff. Thank you. So when I think of individuals

577
00:34:11.400 --> 00:34:21.300
that are in the Humboldt County area that are reaching

578
00:34:21.420 --> 00:34:25.429
out to witnesses, giving witnesses a space to talk. Now,

579
00:34:25.469 --> 00:34:27.429
of course, I'm going to think about you, Erica, but

580
00:34:27.469 --> 00:34:32.570
I'm also always thinking of my friend Eric at the

581
00:34:33.329 --> 00:34:36.610
museum in Willow Creek. Do you have, have you ever

582
00:34:36.650 --> 00:34:40.349
talked to them at the museum? Do you have any

583
00:34:40.389 --> 00:34:41.389
connections to them?

584
00:34:42.150 --> 00:34:42.530
I do.

585
00:34:42.650 --> 00:34:45.429
I know Eric, he's read my book and my book

586
00:34:45.489 --> 00:34:48.909
is actually for sale in the China flat, Bigfoot museum

587
00:34:49.050 --> 00:34:51.159
in Willow Creek there, which is a real honor.

588
00:34:52.000 --> 00:34:55.449
And yeah, I, It's just such a hot spot up there.

589
00:34:55.489 --> 00:34:57.789
And it's so fun just spending time in the museum

590
00:34:57.809 --> 00:34:59.989
because you never know who's going to come through and

591
00:35:00.030 --> 00:35:02.349
have a story. I mean, it's just right off the

592
00:35:02.389 --> 00:35:05.489
highway there. And so travelers come through all the time.

593
00:35:06.469 --> 00:35:10.710
They also have quite the collection of artifacts. And then

594
00:35:10.989 --> 00:35:14.369
my favorite, of course, because I'm the writer, is their

595
00:35:14.869 --> 00:35:18.949
notebooks in the back room that anyone can write their

596
00:35:18.969 --> 00:35:24.800
encounters in. And so they're just these beautiful handwritten encounters

597
00:35:25.000 --> 00:35:28.579
in like a composition notebook. And there's several volumes of them.

598
00:35:28.619 --> 00:35:30.769
And I love to just hang out in there and

599
00:35:30.889 --> 00:35:32.289
read some of these stories.

600
00:35:32.989 --> 00:35:33.909
Yeah. It's really fun.

601
00:35:33.929 --> 00:35:36.230
Oh my goodness. That's I gotta go there.

602
00:35:37.090 --> 00:35:39.190
You do. You'll enjoy it. It's neat.

603
00:35:39.550 --> 00:35:41.579
And then even cooler for me in the very back,

604
00:35:41.619 --> 00:35:44.900
they have a blacksmith shop. So yeah, that place is

605
00:35:44.960 --> 00:35:46.260
special to my heart for sure.

606
00:35:47.079 --> 00:35:50.820
But, um, But now that I know that, so there

607
00:35:50.889 --> 00:35:56.070
is a history, a kept history of written encounters. And

608
00:35:56.110 --> 00:35:59.889
how many journals are in that museum? It's quite a

609
00:35:59.929 --> 00:36:00.250
few of them.

610
00:36:00.269 --> 00:36:01.710
Gosh, I think at least two or three.

611
00:36:01.730 --> 00:36:03.329
That's awesome. Okay.

612
00:36:03.719 --> 00:36:03.880
Yeah.

613
00:36:03.989 --> 00:36:06.980
That's really cool. I got to check that museum out.

614
00:36:07.000 --> 00:36:10.500
That would be great. Eric's a great guy. He will send,

615
00:36:11.139 --> 00:36:13.099
every once in a while, he'll send someone my way

616
00:36:13.139 --> 00:36:14.980
and I'll get a random email and be like, hey,

617
00:36:16.159 --> 00:36:18.460
Eric just had me reach out to you. I've talked

618
00:36:18.480 --> 00:36:22.280
to really some really cool individuals, even I want to

619
00:36:22.300 --> 00:36:24.519
say maybe even some tribal members from the area that

620
00:36:24.559 --> 00:36:27.860
way too. Have you had any, it sounds like you've

621
00:36:27.880 --> 00:36:31.699
had at least one discussion with tribal members from the area.

622
00:36:31.719 --> 00:36:33.900
I know you've got the Hoopa tribe and you've got

623
00:36:34.519 --> 00:36:36.840
some other tribes in the area as well.

624
00:36:37.699 --> 00:36:38.099
Yes.

625
00:36:38.579 --> 00:36:43.789
And David Pilates, did the Hoopa project up here, which

626
00:36:43.849 --> 00:36:48.289
is right outside of Willow Creek is Hoopa, California, where.

627
00:36:47.489 --> 00:36:48.659
The Indians live.

628
00:36:48.920 --> 00:36:53.820
And they have all kinds of lore about Sasquatch. I

629
00:36:53.840 --> 00:36:56.420
have talked to several tribal members. It was actually a

630
00:36:56.440 --> 00:36:59.590
tribal member of the Yurok tribe who told me about

631
00:36:59.739 --> 00:37:02.929
seeing the tree, the laid down tree that had been

632
00:37:03.030 --> 00:37:05.929
pressed into the mud and how he and his cousin

633
00:37:05.969 --> 00:37:07.630
had tried to jump on it and couldn't get it

634
00:37:07.690 --> 00:37:10.570
to move. And so something very large and heavy had

635
00:37:11.010 --> 00:37:13.369
smashed that into the ground to leave that impression.

636
00:37:14.269 --> 00:37:15.289
That was on the.

637
00:37:15.670 --> 00:37:18.909
Hoopa reservation where they saw that.

638
00:37:19.269 --> 00:37:22.630
And yeah, there's also all kinds of other lore.

639
00:37:22.670 --> 00:37:27.460
So when I put that ad out asking for Bigfoot sightings,

640
00:37:28.380 --> 00:37:32.880
I got so many more just random cryptid sightings and

641
00:37:32.960 --> 00:37:38.900
including some aquatic ones up in the Klamath River. which

642
00:37:39.039 --> 00:37:41.880
really wasn't at all on my radar, but it was

643
00:37:41.940 --> 00:37:42.840
really neat to hear.

644
00:37:42.860 --> 00:37:48.420
That that's interesting. So can you, can you walk me through, um,

645
00:37:49.539 --> 00:37:52.829
how it literally was just a Craigslist ad. I would

646
00:37:52.869 --> 00:37:56.190
imagine like, uh, how, how did you kind of word that?

647
00:37:56.349 --> 00:37:57.750
I'm really curious.

648
00:37:57.789 --> 00:37:59.650
It was the simplest thing in the world.

649
00:37:59.670 --> 00:38:02.630
I just said, I'm doing Bigfoot research and looking for

650
00:38:02.670 --> 00:38:06.219
people in the area who've had sightings and, um, you know,

651
00:38:06.320 --> 00:38:09.719
I made one good friend, um, out of that connection

652
00:38:10.179 --> 00:38:12.280
that I'm still friends with to this day, but it

653
00:38:12.320 --> 00:38:14.519
was as simple as some people would just write me

654
00:38:14.539 --> 00:38:18.110
a one-liner email saying I saw it with my cousin

655
00:38:18.130 --> 00:38:23.909
on the mountain and a short description, uh, or, you know,

656
00:38:23.969 --> 00:38:27.269
they would launch into enough detail that would warrant a

657
00:38:27.329 --> 00:38:31.429
call with me and we could talk about what happened, um,

658
00:38:32.780 --> 00:38:35.460
And it was just such a wide variety of sightings

659
00:38:35.500 --> 00:38:39.119
that I got to hear because of that ad.

660
00:38:39.179 --> 00:38:41.079
I highly recommend it. It worked well for me.

661
00:38:41.519 --> 00:38:44.059
And then eventually it was flagged after a few weeks,

662
00:38:44.159 --> 00:38:45.639
but it worked really well.

663
00:38:45.659 --> 00:38:48.090
Yeah, it was successful, I'd say.

664
00:38:49.849 --> 00:38:50.610
So they took it down?

665
00:38:51.230 --> 00:38:52.230
Yeah, they took it down.

666
00:38:52.630 --> 00:38:53.590
Oh, man, it got too popular.

667
00:38:53.610 --> 00:38:55.250
People get threatened really easily.

668
00:38:55.269 --> 00:39:00.829
Or maybe someone got a little like, hey, we got

669
00:39:00.849 --> 00:39:03.280
to shut this down. You never know. You never know.

670
00:39:03.300 --> 00:39:08.380
You never know. I'm curious about the stuff that you

671
00:39:08.440 --> 00:39:11.500
received that was not Bigfoot related since you brought it up.

672
00:39:11.559 --> 00:39:16.989
So you mentioned, so there's like water creatures that you

673
00:39:17.010 --> 00:39:17.710
were hearing about?

674
00:39:17.730 --> 00:39:21.309
Yeah, I can't remember the name of it, but there's

675
00:39:21.329 --> 00:39:25.849
a mythical creature that lives in the river, kind of

676
00:39:25.889 --> 00:39:29.750
like a, I don't know, to describe it, it would

677
00:39:29.769 --> 00:39:32.630
be a like a serpent I guess would be the

678
00:39:32.670 --> 00:39:36.510
word like and then I also got reports of sort

679
00:39:36.530 --> 00:39:39.099
of like a dog man type creature that was like

680
00:39:39.119 --> 00:39:42.559
the size of a deer but had a wolf head

681
00:39:43.639 --> 00:39:47.820
and that was really intriguing and creepy.

682
00:39:48.440 --> 00:39:51.869
Okay Yeah, that's I'm not I'm not a fan of those,

683
00:39:51.889 --> 00:39:57.070
but I get them every once in a while. Yeah. Yeah.

684
00:39:58.389 --> 00:40:03.780
When you get looking, you know, remembering all your reports here.

685
00:40:05.420 --> 00:40:11.199
Have you found that Bigfoot is always described physically a

686
00:40:11.239 --> 00:40:15.920
certain way or are there outliers where you're like, oh,

687
00:40:15.940 --> 00:40:18.840
that's really weird how they described it this time?

688
00:40:20.219 --> 00:40:23.039
No, they're all very similar.

689
00:40:24.059 --> 00:40:26.400
And I do want to mention one thing that you

690
00:40:26.579 --> 00:40:29.920
asking this just reminded me of. In David Pilati's book,

691
00:40:30.099 --> 00:40:33.539
The Hoopa Project, I thought it was so fascinating because

692
00:40:33.599 --> 00:40:36.480
he interviewed a bunch of folks up in the Hoopa

693
00:40:37.070 --> 00:40:38.449
area in the valley there.

694
00:40:39.219 --> 00:40:40.019
And then he.

695
00:40:39.969 --> 00:40:44.369
Had them sign witness affidavits saying that it was the

696
00:40:44.409 --> 00:40:49.510
whole truth. And then he did sketches of these creatures.

697
00:40:50.030 --> 00:40:52.829
And then at the end, you can look through the

698
00:40:53.130 --> 00:40:57.679
witness accounts and the associated sketches, and you can almost

699
00:40:58.050 --> 00:41:02.280
pick out individuals in, in the tribe of Bigfoot of

700
00:41:02.340 --> 00:41:06.320
Sasquatch that have been witnessed by multiple people. Just like

701
00:41:06.480 --> 00:41:08.760
there was one with long hair and one with the

702
00:41:08.920 --> 00:41:13.059
really certain shaped head and, and different physical attributes that

703
00:41:13.079 --> 00:41:15.610
you could go. That's the same one that that person saw. And,

704
00:41:16.409 --> 00:41:20.190
I thought that that was just phenomenal and so interesting.

705
00:41:20.210 --> 00:41:22.989
I just really thank David for his work with that

706
00:41:23.570 --> 00:41:24.650
Hoopa project book.

707
00:41:24.690 --> 00:41:25.690
That's just so cool.

708
00:41:26.449 --> 00:41:30.000
It's a fantastic book. If people haven't tracked it down,

709
00:41:30.099 --> 00:41:34.239
I would recommend that you do no matter how you

710
00:41:34.280 --> 00:41:37.300
feel about David, it is still a fascinating piece of

711
00:41:37.380 --> 00:41:41.269
work and the work you put into documenting all that

712
00:41:41.369 --> 00:41:49.210
is incredible. There's, been a few interesting outliers i've received

713
00:41:49.230 --> 00:41:52.280
uh over the years i'm wondering if you've ever heard

714
00:41:52.619 --> 00:41:55.400
anything that comes close do you ever get reports from

715
00:41:55.420 --> 00:41:59.039
this area where people will say hey it it seems

716
00:41:59.119 --> 00:42:02.460
like they had almost dreadlocks is that anything.

717
00:42:02.119 --> 00:42:05.119
You've ever gotten no i have not.

718
00:42:05.400 --> 00:42:11.989
Gotcha and then um something that and this is actually

719
00:42:12.010 --> 00:42:17.260
this happened uh on the hoopa reservation I got this report.

720
00:42:17.820 --> 00:42:23.869
Have you ever had anyone describe it like it looked

721
00:42:23.929 --> 00:42:25.110
almost like an orangutan?

722
00:42:26.070 --> 00:42:27.570
Yes, I have.

723
00:42:29.210 --> 00:42:32.610
It was a roadside crossing, and that's exactly how he

724
00:42:32.679 --> 00:42:34.199
described it, an orangutan.

725
00:42:34.980 --> 00:42:37.059
And it jumped out in front of his car and

726
00:42:37.380 --> 00:42:38.920
paused in the middle of the road and then went

727
00:42:38.980 --> 00:42:39.860
off the other side.

728
00:42:40.659 --> 00:42:45.019
And he was another one that described the fur like

729
00:42:45.099 --> 00:42:47.119
redwood bark. Okay.

730
00:42:47.699 --> 00:42:49.940
Yeah, then that would really line up with an orangutan

731
00:42:50.099 --> 00:42:56.989
type figure for sure. Are there any ones you've received

732
00:42:57.090 --> 00:43:00.730
where the witness talks about there was some kind of

733
00:43:00.809 --> 00:43:04.190
communication going on in some way?

734
00:43:09.550 --> 00:43:09.880
Yes.

735
00:43:12.179 --> 00:43:15.559
One man I interviewed, he was running heavy equipment up

736
00:43:15.639 --> 00:43:18.920
in the in the mountains and he felt like he

737
00:43:18.960 --> 00:43:22.900
was surrounded by them and he was pretty freaked. We

738
00:43:23.019 --> 00:43:25.260
ended up meeting up in person and going for a

739
00:43:25.280 --> 00:43:28.340
little walk and he was telling me about his encounter

740
00:43:28.659 --> 00:43:32.239
and I just remember looking over at him at one

741
00:43:32.280 --> 00:43:36.860
point and seeing how visceral this memory was for him

742
00:43:37.139 --> 00:43:41.860
and that he was physically rattled just recounting it again

743
00:43:41.880 --> 00:43:45.780
and the fear that's another thing when you just hear

744
00:43:45.860 --> 00:43:50.650
someone recount something that they, their nervous system goes back

745
00:43:50.750 --> 00:43:53.150
into that moment and they really.

746
00:43:53.769 --> 00:43:54.789
You can't fake that.

747
00:43:55.010 --> 00:44:01.050
I mean, it's to me, it's very credible. Yeah. He

748
00:44:02.250 --> 00:44:04.760
not so much like a mind speak or any kind

749
00:44:04.880 --> 00:44:08.440
of communication like that, but he definitely felt like they

750
00:44:08.500 --> 00:44:10.260
were wanting him to leave.

751
00:44:10.539 --> 00:44:12.179
And that was very clear to him.

752
00:44:14.210 --> 00:44:18.929
Absolutely. Would, would you say that most of the reports

753
00:44:18.969 --> 00:44:23.409
you're getting from the area lean towards positive interactions or

754
00:44:23.690 --> 00:44:28.659
negative reactions or, or sorry, positive interactions or negative interactions,

755
00:44:28.889 --> 00:44:29.800
or is it a mixture?

756
00:44:30.909 --> 00:44:31.699
It's a mixture.

757
00:44:31.909 --> 00:44:34.179
And, and I think a lot of the times from

758
00:44:34.280 --> 00:44:39.579
what I'm told, there isn't really much of an impression.

759
00:44:39.699 --> 00:44:43.199
It's just sort of a almost like the Bigfoot doesn't

760
00:44:43.239 --> 00:44:47.039
even know it's been seen or it's a roadside crossing.

761
00:44:47.219 --> 00:44:53.179
And so there isn't much interaction happening. The one story

762
00:44:53.219 --> 00:44:57.070
that I recounted about the man who was like viscerally afraid,

763
00:44:58.130 --> 00:45:02.050
that's really the only one I've heard that left someone

764
00:45:02.070 --> 00:45:06.070
with that kind of a fear. But mostly there's sort

765
00:45:06.110 --> 00:45:09.769
of like a sense of awe that gets conveyed and

766
00:45:09.949 --> 00:45:14.940
just people feel like they've witnessed something truly magical.

767
00:45:16.260 --> 00:45:22.199
Gotcha um have there ever been any conversations you've had

768
00:45:22.360 --> 00:45:26.070
where it has been not just a i saw one

769
00:45:26.130 --> 00:45:29.130
cross the road for two seconds but we are having

770
00:45:29.530 --> 00:45:35.110
extended interactions year after year on my property and it's

771
00:45:35.190 --> 00:45:38.289
more of a habituation type scenario.

772
00:45:38.860 --> 00:45:40.380
I have not, but I wish.

773
00:45:40.400 --> 00:45:43.380
That would be a really fun one to talk to, yeah.

774
00:45:44.820 --> 00:45:47.170
Yeah, those are ones where you have to be.

775
00:45:49.070 --> 00:45:49.329
Ready.

776
00:45:49.409 --> 00:45:54.789
They get very, very interesting, and it is a privilege

777
00:45:54.849 --> 00:45:58.090
to be able to talk to an individual that has

778
00:45:58.489 --> 00:46:02.630
those type of interactions because a lot of times they're

779
00:46:02.670 --> 00:46:08.269
not necessarily– it just has to, it just has to happen.

780
00:46:08.329 --> 00:46:09.869
And I hope it does happen to you. Cause I'm

781
00:46:09.969 --> 00:46:12.610
sure that there are individuals in the Humboldt County area

782
00:46:12.659 --> 00:46:16.360
that are having these year long interactions, but what will

783
00:46:16.440 --> 00:46:20.840
sometimes happen is the connection that they get with, uh,

784
00:46:22.480 --> 00:46:28.170
the Bigfoot or the Sasquatch is so, it's so intense.

785
00:46:28.210 --> 00:46:31.349
It's so real that it ends up being a scenario

786
00:46:31.429 --> 00:46:36.599
where they are trying to, um, really connect or sorry,

787
00:46:36.900 --> 00:46:43.940
protect whatever is, protect these creatures, protect these individuals. And

788
00:46:44.800 --> 00:46:48.679
more oftentimes than not, other people aren't brought in. I mean,

789
00:46:48.719 --> 00:46:51.780
especially if you're, if you're consider yourself a researcher, you're

790
00:46:51.820 --> 00:46:55.489
not going to be brought into, into this scenario. It's

791
00:46:55.570 --> 00:47:03.800
more individual that is, letting witnesses talk and providing a

792
00:47:03.900 --> 00:47:05.980
safe space like you're doing out there in Humboldt County,

793
00:47:06.000 --> 00:47:13.179
which is amazing. So first off, a thousand hours, how

794
00:47:13.219 --> 00:47:15.320
many different people would you estimate that you've talked to

795
00:47:15.409 --> 00:47:16.010
over the years?

796
00:47:16.030 --> 00:47:18.230
Oh my gosh.

797
00:47:18.590 --> 00:47:24.989
Well, between what I've personally been told and what I've

798
00:47:25.070 --> 00:47:28.570
read and spent hours listening to online, which has all

799
00:47:28.590 --> 00:47:33.980
been firsthand witness testimony, I would say maybe 1500 people.

800
00:47:34.820 --> 00:47:42.019
Yeah, absolutely. Um, how has this affected you personally after, especially,

801
00:47:42.039 --> 00:47:46.980
you know, talking to, to people, uh, directly yourself, how

802
00:47:47.019 --> 00:47:50.380
has that affected how you view the subject in general?

803
00:47:51.800 --> 00:47:54.610
Well, it's a lot different when you have someone standing

804
00:47:54.650 --> 00:47:57.730
in front of you who says they've seen him and that,

805
00:47:58.239 --> 00:48:02.960
when that's a person that you've had years of trusted

806
00:48:03.000 --> 00:48:06.960
interaction with, it really gives that more weight than just

807
00:48:07.000 --> 00:48:10.800
listening to someone on a podcast, talk about something that

808
00:48:11.019 --> 00:48:13.900
may or may not be true. But when people that

809
00:48:13.940 --> 00:48:19.000
you respect and, and have prominence in your community can

810
00:48:19.079 --> 00:48:20.820
share things that really gives it a.

811
00:48:20.820 --> 00:48:21.539
Lot of weight.

812
00:48:22.519 --> 00:48:26.019
And so that's been a real, a joy for me. And,

813
00:48:27.420 --> 00:48:29.800
And I'm really kind of a kneecap to kneecap kind

814
00:48:29.840 --> 00:48:32.480
of person. And I, I work with horses, so I

815
00:48:32.539 --> 00:48:35.110
read energy really well. And you can just tell when

816
00:48:35.139 --> 00:48:39.489
people are genuine and when they're sharing something that's special

817
00:48:39.570 --> 00:48:42.130
that happened to them. And I think it's just such

818
00:48:42.170 --> 00:48:44.469
a neat thing to be able to bear witness to

819
00:48:44.570 --> 00:48:47.309
others and to hold that space.

820
00:48:49.969 --> 00:48:56.860
Your main character, Nora, her personality, Um, she was involved with, uh,

821
00:48:56.940 --> 00:48:59.059
was it wilderness therapy? Is that right?

822
00:48:59.719 --> 00:49:00.079
That's right.

823
00:49:00.099 --> 00:49:03.099
Is that something you've also been involved with, or is

824
00:49:03.119 --> 00:49:06.880
that just something that you found interesting and it seemed

825
00:49:06.900 --> 00:49:09.159
to fit the story that you were writing?

826
00:49:10.159 --> 00:49:13.119
Yeah. The second, it was just interesting and seemed to fit.

827
00:49:12.949 --> 00:49:15.849
Her and gave her a little bit of weight and

828
00:49:16.730 --> 00:49:19.469
credibility about her experience in the wilderness.

829
00:49:21.179 --> 00:49:29.340
Fascinating. Sometimes, I'm talking really almost about, I am talking

830
00:49:29.380 --> 00:49:34.469
about myself, you spend all this time talking to individuals

831
00:49:34.869 --> 00:49:39.889
and listening to and making connections and having all these

832
00:49:39.949 --> 00:49:43.989
questions about what is it's going on. Uh, and then

833
00:49:44.010 --> 00:49:47.510
you find yourself, um, actually going out into these areas

834
00:49:47.710 --> 00:49:50.269
and trying to figure it out yourself. Is that something

835
00:49:50.469 --> 00:49:55.269
where you are doing that yourself or you have drawn

836
00:49:55.349 --> 00:49:58.849
a line much like the Bigfoot creature or much like

837
00:49:58.869 --> 00:50:02.090
the Bigfoot character in your book has that line as well?

838
00:50:03.880 --> 00:50:04.320
I do.

839
00:50:04.340 --> 00:50:07.519
I like to get out there, of course. And, you know,

840
00:50:07.559 --> 00:50:09.619
I'm always looking for Bigfoot. I do a lot of

841
00:50:09.659 --> 00:50:13.869
driving and traveling in Northern California. And so pretty much

842
00:50:14.050 --> 00:50:15.909
every time I get in the car to go on

843
00:50:15.949 --> 00:50:18.969
a trip, I'm like, oh, this could be the day,

844
00:50:18.989 --> 00:50:22.150
you know. And one of my favorite things to do

845
00:50:22.210 --> 00:50:23.909
is to just hop in the car and go and

846
00:50:23.949 --> 00:50:26.929
drive around some of the places here that have been

847
00:50:27.030 --> 00:50:32.739
frequently areas where there's been sightings. especially like you're talking

848
00:50:32.780 --> 00:50:38.539
about out near Dinsmore. I've heard enough testimony from that

849
00:50:38.619 --> 00:50:41.460
region that leads me to believe that that might be

850
00:50:41.639 --> 00:50:47.130
one of their crossings for their seasonal migration. And it's

851
00:50:47.250 --> 00:50:52.630
usually late fall, like this time, late September, October, where they'll.

852
00:50:52.409 --> 00:50:55.650
Be seen traveling in that area.

853
00:50:55.909 --> 00:50:58.820
And so I think that they do make transitions between

854
00:50:58.860 --> 00:51:00.739
the low country and the high country.

855
00:51:00.480 --> 00:51:04.059
With the season's. And that's a good opportunity, a good

856
00:51:04.119 --> 00:51:05.559
timing to be out there.

857
00:51:06.460 --> 00:51:13.360
That's very interesting. I have a first step to the side.

858
00:51:13.679 --> 00:51:16.530
If you are not keeping a map for yourself, you

859
00:51:16.570 --> 00:51:19.550
can make a private map in Google Maps. This doesn't

860
00:51:19.590 --> 00:51:22.530
have to be a public thing. Start making the map

861
00:51:22.829 --> 00:51:25.809
and you will start to find all these. That's just

862
00:51:25.829 --> 00:51:28.449
my recommendation. You'll start to be like, oh, my goodness,

863
00:51:28.489 --> 00:51:31.619
it's all happening around here. Um, that's what I do,

864
00:51:31.739 --> 00:51:36.829
but mine's public on bigfootsocietypodcast.com plug for myself. If, uh,

865
00:51:36.929 --> 00:51:41.010
so for example, when I look at Dinsmore, uh, Buck

866
00:51:41.090 --> 00:51:45.550
Mountain Road, it talked to an individual where they're up

867
00:51:45.610 --> 00:51:49.769
at Buck Mountain Road near Dinsmore episode 778. And they

868
00:51:49.849 --> 00:51:57.599
just had two different individuals howling back and forth from

869
00:51:57.699 --> 00:52:01.250
opposite ridge ends for six to eight hours. They're, They're

870
00:52:01.409 --> 00:52:05.489
by themselves at this cabin, super remote until people return.

871
00:52:05.570 --> 00:52:09.269
It's wild, wild stuff. But do you remember anything specific

872
00:52:09.369 --> 00:52:12.510
about things you've been told about the Dinsmore area over

873
00:52:12.530 --> 00:52:14.349
the years?

874
00:52:14.909 --> 00:52:16.889
There's a lot of food out there. We have a

875
00:52:16.969 --> 00:52:21.289
lot of deer, obviously, Buck Mountain. And there's a lot

876
00:52:21.329 --> 00:52:23.690
of acorns and things like that, a lot of fish.

877
00:52:24.289 --> 00:52:26.849
So I think that that area is just very rich

878
00:52:27.369 --> 00:52:32.320
and sort of mild in nature. climate and so that

879
00:52:32.340 --> 00:52:35.429
might be a big draw and also highway 36 runs

880
00:52:35.510 --> 00:52:38.369
right through that area so it sort of lends itself

881
00:52:38.409 --> 00:52:42.590
to be a perfect crossroads for sightings.

882
00:52:45.289 --> 00:52:49.929
Absolutely i i think 36 has got some but i've

883
00:52:49.989 --> 00:52:53.570
never been to humboldt county man i i've only been

884
00:52:53.590 --> 00:52:59.230
to oregon state um really just the cascades a few times.

885
00:53:00.090 --> 00:53:05.440
Northern California is on the list. There's so much possibility

886
00:53:05.480 --> 00:53:07.760
down there of things to check out. I really got

887
00:53:07.780 --> 00:53:13.000
to get down there. Has all this research and listening,

888
00:53:13.480 --> 00:53:18.079
does it affect you in the way that you go

889
00:53:18.239 --> 00:53:22.119
out into the outdoors? Are you like, I can't really

890
00:53:22.139 --> 00:53:25.070
go tent camping anymore because it's kind of weird me out?

891
00:53:25.150 --> 00:53:28.449
Or do you still do things like tent camping or.

892
00:53:28.869 --> 00:53:32.230
I do yeah I was tent camping earlier this year

893
00:53:32.289 --> 00:53:35.969
in July in Humboldt Rebid State Park which is very

894
00:53:36.030 --> 00:53:37.269
near to where I had the.

895
00:53:37.170 --> 00:53:41.449
Stomp and the growl and I still love it all.

896
00:53:41.300 --> 00:53:44.800
You know I'm definitely a never gonna stop going out

897
00:53:44.840 --> 00:53:48.900
there and I just feel like like we talked earlier

898
00:53:49.099 --> 00:53:52.039
what you have in your heart is sort of what comes.

899
00:53:51.719 --> 00:53:54.019
Through and I do believe.

900
00:53:53.760 --> 00:53:58.429
That we are seen and witnessed by the forest. And

901
00:53:58.469 --> 00:54:01.429
I feel like the way that we approach the forest matters.

902
00:54:04.179 --> 00:54:07.119
So if you have goodness in your heart, you're probably

903
00:54:07.199 --> 00:54:10.239
going to have a good positive interaction.

904
00:54:10.260 --> 00:54:16.949
I agree with you a hundred percent. I think that

905
00:54:17.010 --> 00:54:19.889
is a very, very important way to think it is

906
00:54:19.949 --> 00:54:26.159
thought by more people than you would realize. Uh, I'll

907
00:54:26.179 --> 00:54:29.059
leave it at that. Uh, but there, once you start

908
00:54:29.099 --> 00:54:32.440
talking to certain people that seems to always, always come out,

909
00:54:32.579 --> 00:54:35.829
unless the person is just not a good individual and

910
00:54:35.889 --> 00:54:39.550
it's just in it for the money or the fame, unfortunately.

911
00:54:39.769 --> 00:54:40.650
They know that too.

912
00:54:40.929 --> 00:54:42.969
They know it too. You're going to get chased out

913
00:54:42.989 --> 00:54:45.789
or you're not going to have anything happen. And that's

914
00:54:45.869 --> 00:54:49.409
all it is. So there you go. But, Erica, do

915
00:54:49.429 --> 00:54:52.869
you think there might be a second book someday? It

916
00:54:52.949 --> 00:54:55.880
kind of is left. I don't know. Do you have

917
00:54:55.900 --> 00:54:58.139
any thoughts about that? There could be a second part

918
00:54:58.179 --> 00:54:59.420
to Nora's story someday.

919
00:55:00.260 --> 00:55:01.679
Absolutely. Yeah.

920
00:55:01.739 --> 00:55:04.619
People have already been asking for the sequel. And so

921
00:55:05.039 --> 00:55:08.030
I'm doing brainstorming right now and I feel like that's

922
00:55:08.070 --> 00:55:10.889
definitely going to come to life. So I'm excited to share.

923
00:55:11.389 --> 00:55:14.090
And I also have a larger story that I'd like

924
00:55:14.130 --> 00:55:17.079
to write that sort of captures the what I hinted

925
00:55:17.179 --> 00:55:20.440
at earlier with the bit of conspiracy around Bigfoot and

926
00:55:20.460 --> 00:55:24.480
the Bigfoot mystery. And, and so I think that that

927
00:55:24.519 --> 00:55:27.570
could be really fun and a lot more expansive than

928
00:55:27.860 --> 00:55:29.670
just the short novel that I've written.

929
00:55:29.690 --> 00:55:33.969
I would, I would love to read that too. That

930
00:55:33.989 --> 00:55:36.269
would be, that would be great. I say go for it, but,

931
00:55:36.889 --> 00:55:39.469
but Erica, I want to say thank you so much for,

932
00:55:39.630 --> 00:55:43.840
for spending some time on the show is sharing about, uh, your, uh,

933
00:55:44.409 --> 00:55:48.210
your novel, The Carrying. And again, I want to make

934
00:55:48.250 --> 00:55:51.389
sure listeners know that links are going to be in

935
00:55:51.409 --> 00:55:55.250
the show notes. Where's the best place for people to

936
00:55:55.289 --> 00:55:56.769
pick up a copy of that, Erica?

937
00:55:57.670 --> 00:56:01.070
The Carrying is available right on Amazon. If you type

938
00:56:01.110 --> 00:56:03.929
my name into the search box, that's the easiest way

939
00:56:03.969 --> 00:56:06.449
to get it to come up. And it's also on

940
00:56:06.469 --> 00:56:10.980
my website, which is www.nessentialadventure.com.

941
00:56:13.030 --> 00:56:16.719
And it comes in hardcover paperback.

942
00:56:18.139 --> 00:56:21.780
And I'm working on the audio book right now.

943
00:56:22.480 --> 00:56:23.599
I'm recording it myself.

944
00:56:23.840 --> 00:56:26.590
And then I also have it available on Kindle now.

945
00:56:26.829 --> 00:56:29.510
So it's really accessible.

946
00:56:30.510 --> 00:56:36.369
Fantastic. If listeners are wanting to reach out to you directly,

947
00:56:36.469 --> 00:56:41.349
maybe about something that has happened in Humboldt County, is

948
00:56:41.389 --> 00:56:44.989
there a way to contact you through the website? There is.

949
00:56:45.429 --> 00:56:47.739
Yeah, that would be the best.

950
00:56:48.340 --> 00:56:52.320
Okay, perfect. So just look for the usual contact area

951
00:56:52.539 --> 00:56:54.739
on websites, and that's how you can reach out to

952
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Erica if you have something specific to share. And, of course,

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you can always reach out to myself if you would

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prefer as well. But Erica is awesome because she gets

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your area because she lives there. And that is sometimes

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a huge deal for people that are just wanting someone

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to talk to about what has happened. So I love

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what you're doing, Erica. Keep it up. And especially love

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how you are helping witnesses out there and also documenting

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what has been going on. Thank you so much for

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coming on the show today.

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Thank you, Jeremiah. Thank you so much for reaching out.

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It's been a real pleasure to be here and talk

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about my book. I think my book has the capacity

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to help a lot of people who are seeking for

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connection and healing and looking for kind of a tender,

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uplifting story, especially as we're transitioning into fall and more

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rainy weather. My book can also make a really great

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gift if there's someone in your life who's experienced loss,

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whether it be the loss of a spouse or Like

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my main character, Nora, loses her spouse, but even a

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close friend or a pet. And in those moments when

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we're just really struggling with our grief, and it can

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feel so scary to open up and share. And I

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feel like sharing my book with someone who's going through

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a loss can be sort of like throwing a life

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ring and just saying, I see you, I witness you,

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and it doesn't have to be so direct as.

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you know, having a conversation, but it's just.

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A sweet way to share that you understand the depth

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of that and that you care.

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Yeah. I think that that is a, as someone who's

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read the book, that's perfect way to put it. I

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agree with you a hundred percent. Um, definitely, uh, keep,

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keep us up to date with what's going on out

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there in Humboldt County. Maybe we'll, we'll have to chat

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with you at a later time, Erica, but thank you

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so much for coming on the show.

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I would love that. Thank you, Jeremiah.

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A special thank you to Erica for coming on the

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show today. And if you've had a Bigfoot encounter of

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your own, I would love to hear from you. You

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can send me an email with your encounter at Bigfoot.

994
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at gmail.com i've come out with a free report about

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the top 10 bigfoot hot spots you can go over

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to bit.ly forward slash bfs report i'm jeremiah byron thanks

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for listening to bigfoot society and i'll see you in

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the woods