Dec. 13, 2025

Hikers Encounter Rock Throws and Massive Tracks in Indiana’s Morgan-Monroe Forest

Hikers Encounter Rock Throws and Massive Tracks in Indiana’s Morgan-Monroe Forest
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Season 1

In this episode, Chris from Indiana shares multiple chilling encounters from some of the state’s most active forests, including Morgan-Monroe State Forest, Turkey Run State Park, and Indiana Dunes. While hiking and foraging deep in the backcountry, Chris and his group experience rock throwing, possible wood knocks, massive footprints with long stride lengths, and unnatural tree structures that defy simple explanations.


What began as routine hiking and herbal medicine foraging quickly escalated into something far more intense when objects were thrown from unseen locations and strange activity surrounded the group in remote terrain. Chris also details disturbing track discoveries, bent and broken trees at impossible heights, and lingering feelings of being watched.


The conversation explores patterns of Sasquatch behavior, forest “corridors” across Indiana, and how similar encounters are being reported in connected wilderness areas throughout the Midwest. This episode delves into whether these events represent territorial behavior, warnings, or something far stranger hiding just beyond sight.


If you’re interested in Bigfoot encounters, Sasquatch evidence, stone throwing behavior, tree structures, unexplained forest activity, or Midwest cryptid reports, this is an episode you won’t want to miss.

Contact Chris here: chrishidalgo5@yahoo.com 

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this show, we go beyond the campfire stories to bring

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just might change the way you see the woods forever.

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So stay with us, all right, pick the Society.

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I've got the privilege of talking to a new friend,

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Chris from Indiana area. That's where he's been having some

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interesting things going on out there. Chris is an herbalist

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and also an outdoors man, so he's getting into the

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state parks out there in the state of Indiana and

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has had some interesting things happened. So welcome to the show, Chris.

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How are you doing today, sir.

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Absolutely gift, Thanks you brother. Everything has been wonderful today.

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Just soaking up this unused, really unseasonably warm weather here

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for us in the Midwest.

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Man.

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So yeah, just getting out there, getting the boots on

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the ground, and there was some good hiking, harvesting up

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some late season medicines and uh yeah, just so overall enjoying, enjoying.

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Life right now. Man, it's really been an adventure over

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the past year.

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I love that such a such a great outlook. I mean,

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it has been a really nice time in the in

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the Midwest actually, and we're just.

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About to get into the winter.

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I think we're gonna get some snow maybe later this week,

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but we'll see what that brings for you. But uh,

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you know, Chris, uh, you mentioned when you signed up

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some really interesting areas in Indiana that I've been to

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myself and have come up on the show lately. So

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I'm I'm really interested to hear what you have been

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experiencing in these areas when you're out, you know, trying

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to find herbs and and just enjoying the outdoors. So

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you know, feel free to to take us back when

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really this journey started for you when it started intersecting

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with Bigfoot right on?

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Man, Well, you know, according to myself, I've always been

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an avid fan of the Bigfoot or sasquats phenomenon. If

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you would say, I've had a few paranormal experiences in

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my lifetime. Growing up, I lived in I guess what

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you would call a haunted house for a period of

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my life. I've never had any experiences with myself, but

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a lot of activity was centered around my bedroom and

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stuff like that. So anyways, you know, I've always just

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been an avid outdoorsman. I like to fish a lot,

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used to hunt back in the day as well, and

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I just like to get out on the parks and

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really just forged for the different mushrooms and the different medicines.

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I'm really really well cultured. I've done some traveling in

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my time. Twenty eleven, I went to college in North Miami, Florida,

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Johnson and Wills University for colin the re Arts. So

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I'm kind of a big steer away from where I'm

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at in.

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My life now.

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But you know, I was down in Miami for some time.

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Southern California, Washington State. My aunts and my uncle they

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stay up in the Tri Cities area right outside of Kennewick,

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So you know, I spent some time up there, and

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then I also spent some time in Alaska. I spent

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about a six or seven month stint in Alaska. I

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worked on the docks out there, so that was a

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really wonderful experience as well. And then you know, somehow

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somewhere I found myself back to the Midwest here in

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the good old Gary, Indiana. That's where I reside at

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the moment. I'm kind of I'm kind of a region nights.

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I grew up in the region around here in northwest Indiana,

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so this is kind of my dwellings, and I guess

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when it comes to the sasquats phenomena around here, I

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really didn't think that it was, you know, possible for

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something to exist around here. But I have come across

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some recent information about Indiana Dunes National Park, which just

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got the term Dean National Park as of the past

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two years. So Indiana Dunes National Park supposedly has a

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couple of sightings and or experiences when it comes to

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footprints and tree structures and stuff like that. I myself

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have not encountered anything out there, but nonetheless, I still

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find it interesting that, you know, this part of the state,

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I guess, from Porter County, Lake County into Laporte County

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and pushing further towards South Bend or even the new

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Buffalo just down the Michigan Indiana line tends to award

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some pretty good activity up that way as of recent

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So yeah, man, that's pretty much how I got started

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into all this was just by being I guess a

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fan of it and then having some experiences later in

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my life.

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It was extremely interesting to hear about Indiana Dune State Park.

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You know, if you look on a map that we

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were talking about about the Big for Society map earlier

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before we started, and it was nice to hear from

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someone that they use it and they enjoy it.

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So I appreciate, As I said, I appreciate that.

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But it does make sense because I do have some

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reports I've taken from southern Chicago, and then you've got

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the Maynistee National Forest over in Michigan, so it makes

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sense that there could be that little corridor going around

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the bottom of Lake Michigan, and Indiana Dunes State Park

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would put that right there. So are these friends that

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you've heard this information from or where have you been

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hearing this from?

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This is stuff that I've seen on and I take

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everything with the grant. As you know, I try to

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keep a very open mind and open perspective, especially to

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people's word and things that you read on the Internet nowadays.

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So this, this particular one came from Reddit. A guy

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was talking about he was hiking off trail, you know,

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and I came across this while I was searching for

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primitive camp sites down to Morgan Monroe State Forest. So

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that's how I came came across this information about the

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footprints found in the nation in the Indiana Dunes National Park.

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So Reddit was a provider of that for me. A

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guy was hiking off trail and one of the trails

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down there in the National Park and came across some

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pretty good sized foot prints in sort of like the

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bogy areas that could come up within the Sandy Dunes

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and stuff like that. So somebody found that they're supposed

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to be along with some three structures.

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But what makes me, you know, just kind of.

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Hesitant or skeptical to to give a thumbs up to

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reports coming out of Indiana Dudes National Park is that,

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you know, there's a lot of pranksters in the world.

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And I remember a few years ago when the When

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Defining Bigfoot Show came out, they did an episode up

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here in the Indiana dudes, National Park, and I remember

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the video that came out, and it just looked like

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some guy was scaring his kids out in the woods.

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His children were in the car, and the family or

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the mother whoever was in the car with the kids

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was like, oh, look there it is off off in

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the wood lines, and it just looked like some guy,

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you know, rocking back and forth and maybe one of

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the generic monkey shoots and stuff like that. So, you know,

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people say that it was credible, but if he us,

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if if you're a very discernful person, you know, you're

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I think you'll be able to decipher a lot of

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facts from fiction out there and keeping open mind as well.

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But nonetheless, that's.

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That's why I'm hesitant to really give a thumbs up,

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even though as of let me see, I went out

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hiking yesterday with the bresident of mine right over here

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in an offshoot of the National Parks. So the National

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Park is in a place called Chesterton, Indiana, and where

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we were hiking was a place called Porter, Indiana, which

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is just before that, and there's a there's a ranger

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station right there, and we usually find a lot of

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mushrooms out there. We find huge bounties of Chicken of

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the Woods and Hand of the Woods and just a

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lot of good stuff over there overall. But we were

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hiking on one of the branches of the Calumet Trail

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out there, and it runs right along the Calumet River,

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and we came to a portion, I'm kind of in

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the backwoods parts of it, where there was a maybe

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about a twelve to fifteen foot tree. It looked kind

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of old, but it still had flexibility to it, and

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it looked like it was bent over in the art

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shape right, and I believe the arts was about eight

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foot across is what we had measured it at, about

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eight foot arch that that there was. And what was

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very interesting which made us really look I guess a

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little more specific at this this tree arch was that

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there was like a fork in the tree, right, like

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a y, and the top portion of it was tucked

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into this other tree that so if you can imagine

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a field goal, right, it was it was tucked into

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there where the bottom branch was bent towards the ground

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and the other part was there bracing it in between,

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like a little notch in the tree, right. And that's

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what really, you know, kind of floored us, and we

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were just very excited to find something like that. Although

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we don't jump to conclusion all the time, it was

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just nice to see some anomalous things out in the

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bush like that, and that was really well. We did

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come across what appeared to be some type of footprints,

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but it's it's kind of hard to discern that in

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some of the boggy swampier areas along the Calumet River.

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Right there, we found what appeared to be two of

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them pretty large. We didn't take measurements of them because

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they was just a little bit, you know, not so profound,

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But nonetheless, it was still interesting to see that stuff

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out there.

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And what I'd like to give thanks for you.

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And what you what I found, you know, listening through

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this show is that you know, there.

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Seems to be times where you don't see anything when

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you're not aware of this subject, you know what I mean.

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But but the moment you become aware of the different

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findings or what to look for in the bush, I

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guess I would say, is when you really start to

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see these things that should be so evident to us,

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you know, I mean, some of these these things have

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been right in front of us and we just we

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just ignore them, maybe because our mind doesn't want to

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accept them or deal with it, or because we just

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don't have a frame of reference, right, you know, we

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see a ben tree and we think, you know, somebody

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was hanging on the tree or something. You know, that's

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just the the the average response or the average stuff.

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But it's just very interesting.

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And I give thanks for for guys like yourself providing

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a platform that's allowing this information, and I guess you

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call it evidence to be put out there for us

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to utilize when we go out into the bush. You know,

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I'm never actively I was never actively looking for this

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stuff until recently, until I have my accounts, But I'm

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just being out there now. I know the things to

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look for, and I know not to jump to conclusion

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right away because usually there's there's a natural explanation for things,

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right you know, ninety percent of the time, you know,

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according to me, there is a natural explanation for things.

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But then that ten percent is that realm of the unknown,

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and we always got to keep an open mind.

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Man.

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Oh, I agree with you, and first thank you for

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the kind words and also the how you explained that

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that that tree being held down I've seen that in

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Oregon out in the willam At National Forest Wow in

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the Oakridge area around Oakridge. And when you see stuff

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like that at it really makes you take notice because

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that that didn't just happen by itself. I mean, something

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was like, all right, hold this down, you know, that's

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that's how it works. And this area of the Indiana Dunes.

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Have you talked to the rangers at all? You were

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mentioning that there are some some rangers in that park.

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Absolutely, I haven't spoken to any rangers, just because I

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don't know, at least for me, they don't seem like

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the type of people that you know, would be so

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inclined to speak about this stuff. Usually they're they're more

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research and science space. You know. If you brought some

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of the I guess you would call it the woof

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stuff up to them, you know.

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I don't think that they would acknowledge it.

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But I'll take your advice if that's what you're giving

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to go ahead and talk with some of these rangers

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out there as I cross paths with them in the

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near future.

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Well, you know, and it's something where you can take

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it a few ways, where you can jump right into

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the Hey, you seem bigfoot around here? If if you

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if you're wanting to go down that road or an

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other way to do that is like, hey, have you

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seen anything weird around here? Like I've been noticing some

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things out in the woods. Has anyone else or have

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you guys seen stuff like that? Sometimes that approach can

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can lead to some interesting conversations. It has for me

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out in the Pacific Northwest, out in the Midwest I'm

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in Iowa, not a lot, but it's always worth checking. Actually, no,

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I take that back. It does work.

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I just can't really say where it does work though,

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do it. Anyways?

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So you mentioned an area that's come up a few

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different times lately, Morgan Monroe State Park, and there has

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been a lot of activity reported.

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I mean just to me.

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Down in that area, and this is south of Indianapolis.

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I mean, because you've got Yellowood State Forests, Morgan Monroe,

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and then what's together in Brown County State Park. I

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believe all of those areas are having activity.

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Currently.

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So you had some experiences down there in Morgan Monroe.

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I've been excited to share this one as it's a

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very recent encounter.

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It happened, it happened I shouldn't say encounter, I should

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say experienced rather. But this happened back on October seventeenth

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and eighteenth. So I went with three friends of mine,

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excuse me, two friends of mine, my friend Would and

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our lady friend joh And we went down on October

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the seventeenth. We left in the morning time to head

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down to Morgan Monroe State Forest. We were gonna go

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scout it out and figure out. I went down on

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October seventeenth and eighteenth and left the nineteenth. This was

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the weekend of October seventeen, eighteenth and nineteenth that I

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just said. But I went down there with two friends

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of mine, my friend Would and my friend joh. And

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you know, I always like to when I go play.

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Now that I'm a little bit more inclined to be

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looking for the sasquatch phenomena, if you would say, I'm

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more inclined to bring some spiritual.

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People as I don't know if you want.

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To call it bait or placebo or maybe some type

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of attraction, but I just think that's the anty, you

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know what I mean. So, yeah, we went down there

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on October seventeenth, and you know, it was the first

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time we ever been to a big state force like

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this or anywhere past the Indianapolis to do some hiking

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or camping. So got down there on the seventeenth in the.

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Afternoon about one two o'clock. We scouted it out.

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We figured that we were gonna wind up camping at

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Mason Ridge Campground, which is just before Scout Ridge. Now

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I heard scout Ridge Campground. I think it was from

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episode nine fifty three of The Guy in Indiana. He

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was talking about some of the spots in Morgan Monroe

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and that maybe he had a friend of his that

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would frequent back to scout Ridge. Because of the amount

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of activity, it's a little more secluded, it seems to

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be I guess what they call like a scout camp

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or boys camp or something like that, where they got pavilion,

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maybe some picnic benches and stuff. It's a little bit

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more set up. Nonetheless, we wound up setting up at

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Mason Ridge Campground. I was pretty sparse out that day.

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There was maybe about six other campers throughout the camp ground.

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And yeah, we set up.

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Camp and uh, you know, did a little bit of

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hiking around the Cherry Lake area, found some nice gields.

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I actually got a nice little yield right here. This

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is a nice quartz crystal right here.

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Nice yeah, warts nice.

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Yeah, absolutely a nice milky quartz. So nonetheless beautiful find

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out there. Supposing you could find other gemstones and uh,

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I guess the nice correlation, I guess I would put

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with the with the sasquats phenomena.

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Is that or even just paranormal? In general?

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It seems like where there's heightened quartz deposits or mineral

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deposit there seems to be a lot more activity.

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Am I right? Yeah?

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Oh you're one hundred percent right, my man. Yep, you

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got it, Chris.

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Right on.

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So yeah, we found these right off a little gully

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next to our campground and Mason Ridge.

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So anyways, we.

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Decided to do that hiking at Cherry Lake, and we

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didn't notice anything anomalous out there. I was just pretty

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cool to get out in such a vast area, you

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know what I mean, such a desolate place where you spark,

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you very very rarely encounter people, especially if you're on

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the on the the outskirts outskirts of the trail, or

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if you're just on some of the some of the

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more outback trails, or I guess they call them backcountry.

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So we didn't experience anything that first day really compelling.

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But at nighttime we did do a night hike, right

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so me and my guy would we did a night

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hike on the back end of the Mason Ridge Campground.

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There's like a little I don't know if it's a

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fire trail or a trail that just goes off a

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hunter's trail maybe, but it goes off for some miles

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and we didn't try out the whole thing.

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We went about a half a mile in as it

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was dark and stuff like that.

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It was getting pretty late, it's probably about eleven or

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twelve o'clock, and you know, we heard some some bardials

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and stuff like that. And sometimes I guess in the

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fall time you get a little bit spooked when you

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when you hear like, uh, the squirrels and the raccoons

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and stuff hopping around. I remember we clicked out our

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red lights at one time and we had some eyes

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shine right in front of us, and we both jumped

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and we jumped on, you know, to the regular light

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and there was a possum hanging from the trees. So

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it goes to show you that you'll definitely see some

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animals out there, but you won't see them as frequently

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as you would think, you know. I guess a misconception

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that people think about Indiana or just being in the

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woods in general, is that anywhere you go, you're you're

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automatically going to see wildlife. And that was the exact

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opposite for being down at Morgan and Road. We've seen

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the occasional bird, but we rarely seen squirrels, We rarely

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seen raccoons, no deer, that one particular possum. So it's

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very very quiet and desolate out there, and it was

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just interesting to feel that difference in location as compared

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to where I'm at up here by the dunes.

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You know.

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So anyways, the first day didn't award anything, but we

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decided to hike to Pray the Lake because I heard

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once again on Bigfoot Society, one of the earlier podcasts,

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that there was a gentleman that was doing some camping

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or some frequenting through Morgan and Road, and he brought

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up Prey the Lake and how it was a lost

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or a hidden lake that's just way back in the bush,

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and you know, you could see when you hike the

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trail to get there, you can see why, you know,

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it's so desolate. But we decided to hike that one

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on Saturday, was October the eighteenth, and we got up

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there about eleven thirty in the afternoon, and we drove

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down this road called Rosenbomb Road.

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You got to drive down this old.

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Gravel road, and I had to drop my Trailblazer in

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the four wheel drive because there was some treacherous roads

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right there. Right, so we're going down some steep inclines

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and stuff, and we wound up traveling down Rosenbomb Road,

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made it to the old fire road that was fortunately

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open at this time of year, usually closed, but we

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were fortunate to find it open.

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And so we traveled up that road into this park lot. Right.

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So there's this gravel parking lot.

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After you get up in there, and nobody was Nobody

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was there when we pulled in right there was no

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there was no trucks, no cars, no signs of anybody

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being in there. But what I found interesting, man, was

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that there was this log set up just off to

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the side of the parking lot, maybe a fallen deadwood

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or something like that, and there was four apples lighted

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up on the log. So I don't know if people

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were doing some gifting or something like that up there

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in this particular parking lot at the Pray through Lake trail.

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But we decided to, you know, leave a couple of

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things as well. I left some small jade beads green

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jade's from a brace of the mind that I left

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inside of this little notch or this little hole that

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came off from a branch of the tree. Never got

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back to the parking lot to check check that out,

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but I'm planning to go back here in the wintertime

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to investigate some more.

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So.

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Anyways, we started hiking this trail that we thought was

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the trail to pray the lake, right. Obviously, we took

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the wrong trail. We were supposed to go through the

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gated spot. And I'm giving this information I'm making in

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public so that people, you know, don't get lost and

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have to go through the back country like we did.

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But make sure you go through the gate that's blocking

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the road. Uh, that's a one mile trot all the

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way down the Freighter Lake, and that's the way you

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want to go.

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We wound up taking a.

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Trail right off of the parking lot and we started

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hiking in and it was just beautiful everything just opened up,

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beautiful canopy. It was the fall time, so the colors

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were starting to change and really pop.

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And like I said, very quiet out there.

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And we wound up getting about maybe a little less

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than a quarter mile in right and just to the

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right of the trail, now we came across this very

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anomalist what looked like a tree structure, or what they

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call a tree structure.

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So it was it looked it looked like a bunch.

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Of trees just forming intersecting cross sections or exits within

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the tree right off of the trail. And some of

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these trees, some of these logs were were pretty thick.

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Maybe maybe I don't know, I'm trying to think of

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maybe a good measurement for it, maybe between six and

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ten inches, where I guess ten would be the maximum

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for the the circumpass of the tree trunk. But nonetheless

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they were they were stashed in some of these looks

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and crannies of the tree that just it looked like

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you had to force these trees in there, or you

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had to maneuver them or positioned in some type of

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way to get them into these particular spots. And you know,

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I try, like I said, I always tried to be

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the man that's going to rationalize something. There's a rational

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explanation for everything, right, you know, maybe this is not

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a street trucks here. Let's try to eliminate the obvious.

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And so some of these trees appeared to the you know,

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from death saw that were taken from another area. They

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didn't come from any of the surrounding trees, didn't look

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like they broke off of any trees above us or

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around us.

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So it's just very anomalous.

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Man, and it was right right on the edge of

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this ridge because on the on the other side of

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the trail, it just went down, you know, So that

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was very anomalist that we've seen as well. We didn't

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feel creeped out or anything like that. We just investigated

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and tried to rationalize the best we could. So we

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continue to trod, and you know, it started getting like

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an hour hour and a half into the trod and

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we're like, damn, where's the where's the lake?

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Man? You know, this is called Last Lake or Hitting

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Lakes for a reason. We can't find it.

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So we wound up getting to the end of this

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trail and.

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It it branched off into two ways. There's a tree stand.

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There's a tree stand this for anybody who goes down

468
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this particular road. There's a tree stand off to your left.

469
00:22:26.720 --> 00:22:28.599
When you come to the fork in the trail, you

470
00:22:28.640 --> 00:22:31.359
can go left, which looks like it's maybe a logging

471
00:22:31.440 --> 00:22:33.599
road if you would call it that, or some type

472
00:22:33.640 --> 00:22:35.640
of service road where people are coming up to log

473
00:22:35.720 --> 00:22:40.240
because Morgan Road National State Forest is a place where

474
00:22:40.240 --> 00:22:42.920
people can gather permits to come log it, right, you know,

475
00:22:43.000 --> 00:22:44.640
it's a logging force, so you can go in there

476
00:22:44.640 --> 00:22:47.319
and cut your own trees for whatever purpose. So we

477
00:22:47.359 --> 00:22:49.480
came into this clearing right at this fork off to

478
00:22:49.559 --> 00:22:52.039
the right of the trail. That was a bunch of

479
00:22:52.160 --> 00:22:54.240
cut trees, you know. So we had we had to

480
00:22:54.319 --> 00:22:58.640
hike through this rugged terrain and all these fallen trees

481
00:22:58.680 --> 00:23:01.720
and such to start getting back to somewhat of a

482
00:23:01.759 --> 00:23:04.240
path towards the lake. And fortunately I was able to

483
00:23:04.279 --> 00:23:06.920
showcase my navigating skills man and get us there without

484
00:23:06.920 --> 00:23:09.640
a map and stuff like that, just being able to

485
00:23:09.720 --> 00:23:12.480
use some intuition and some I guess navigating skills through

486
00:23:12.480 --> 00:23:14.920
the bush get us to the lake. But on the

487
00:23:14.960 --> 00:23:17.640
trout there, there's such changes in elevation. We're going up

488
00:23:17.680 --> 00:23:20.279
and down and it's very rugged. If you've been out there, jeremih,

489
00:23:20.279 --> 00:23:22.720
I'm sure you know how rugged the terrain could be

490
00:23:22.759 --> 00:23:24.400
out there on some of these trails. You know, it's

491
00:23:24.400 --> 00:23:27.359
a lot of ups and downs and there's a lot

492
00:23:27.359 --> 00:23:29.839
of rough terrain. So we wound up coming down this

493
00:23:30.680 --> 00:23:33.559
I guess logging trail where it was marked by these

494
00:23:33.559 --> 00:23:36.799
pink flagsticks, and we started winding through this and it

495
00:23:36.839 --> 00:23:39.400
didn't really lead us anywhere except for down into this

496
00:23:39.519 --> 00:23:42.279
gully where it looks like they might have been doing

497
00:23:42.279 --> 00:23:46.400
some logging a while back. And I came across something weird.

498
00:23:46.480 --> 00:23:50.079
I guess you can kind of attribute it to human activity.

499
00:23:50.920 --> 00:23:54.559
But there was this turtle show that was just sitting

500
00:23:54.599 --> 00:23:56.519
on top of this log. And it wasn't like the

501
00:23:56.559 --> 00:24:00.000
turtle was was just gutted out to where the whole

502
00:24:00.039 --> 00:24:01.759
shell was still intacted. It was just the top part

503
00:24:01.799 --> 00:24:02.119
of the shell.

504
00:24:02.160 --> 00:24:02.559
It looked like.

505
00:24:02.599 --> 00:24:06.000
Something had maybe ripped the bottom portion of it off

506
00:24:06.839 --> 00:24:07.319
or something.

507
00:24:07.480 --> 00:24:10.240
But it was sitting on top of this huge tree stuff.

508
00:24:10.240 --> 00:24:12.039
Man, this huge tree summer was just sitting right on

509
00:24:12.119 --> 00:24:14.519
top and I didn't really know what to make of it,

510
00:24:14.599 --> 00:24:19.200
Like I said, I didn't feel anything weird, any weird feelings.

511
00:24:19.240 --> 00:24:21.160
The forest didn't go silent or anything like that. But

512
00:24:21.200 --> 00:24:23.559
it was just one of those another anomalous things to

513
00:24:23.599 --> 00:24:28.680
log in the book of Happenings. Right, absolutely, right, absolutely.

514
00:24:28.680 --> 00:24:30.960
It was very very strange, kind of out of place.

515
00:24:31.319 --> 00:24:34.079
So whatever you want to attribute that to, so be it.

516
00:24:34.200 --> 00:24:36.640
But we continued back back on the troad and just

517
00:24:36.720 --> 00:24:39.240
pushed our way through the bush and finally made it

518
00:24:39.279 --> 00:24:41.599
down to the old tray through lake, the Hidden Lake

519
00:24:41.759 --> 00:24:43.519
or the Lost Lake Man. It was just a very

520
00:24:43.559 --> 00:24:46.440
beautiful spot to see. We came in from the backside

521
00:24:46.480 --> 00:24:48.240
of it, because we had the trod, you know, a

522
00:24:48.279 --> 00:24:51.880
mile and a half two miles from from the back

523
00:24:51.920 --> 00:24:54.119
country where we got off trail, if you want to

524
00:24:54.160 --> 00:24:56.400
call it, and it was just a beautiful view from

525
00:24:56.400 --> 00:25:01.359
that backside. It really brought me back to the the

526
00:25:01.359 --> 00:25:04.240
the gentleman that was telling the story about he was

527
00:25:04.279 --> 00:25:07.160
down there with his children, uh, and they had a

528
00:25:07.160 --> 00:25:09.039
dog down there or something like that, and they trotted

529
00:25:09.079 --> 00:25:11.279
in from the fire road and I guess they were

530
00:25:11.319 --> 00:25:13.599
doing some fishing or something like that, and they heard

531
00:25:14.240 --> 00:25:15.599
what they thought was tree.

532
00:25:15.400 --> 00:25:18.400
Knocks and some other strange things happening.

533
00:25:18.480 --> 00:25:20.519
It really spooked him and they wanted I guess the

534
00:25:20.559 --> 00:25:22.880
dog maybe you remember in the story, but the dog

535
00:25:22.960 --> 00:25:24.599
took off. They had a little small dog. The dog

536
00:25:24.640 --> 00:25:27.240
took off and I was like scouting the bush and

537
00:25:27.279 --> 00:25:30.599
stuff like that, and came running back, yipping and was hiding,

538
00:25:30.880 --> 00:25:32.880
you know, in between the guy's legs and stuff like that.

539
00:25:32.960 --> 00:25:36.759
So it was a very interesting encounter by this gentleman

540
00:25:36.759 --> 00:25:38.599
and his youth. And we just happened to be on

541
00:25:38.640 --> 00:25:42.240
the opposite side of the lake from where from where

542
00:25:42.279 --> 00:25:44.920
they were, and on that side of the lake that

543
00:25:45.000 --> 00:25:47.079
he was on, I mean, the ridges just go straight

544
00:25:47.160 --> 00:25:49.680
up as soon as soon as you get you know,

545
00:25:49.759 --> 00:25:51.240
if if we were to cross the lake and get

546
00:25:51.319 --> 00:25:52.880
right to that ridge and just go straight up.

547
00:25:53.400 --> 00:25:54.960
So it's very steep terrain right there.

548
00:25:55.160 --> 00:25:56.720
And on the side that we were coming in from,

549
00:25:56.759 --> 00:25:58.920
it was pretty flat, a little bit boggy and stuff

550
00:25:58.960 --> 00:26:01.880
like that. And we didn't notice anything anomalous over there.

551
00:26:02.279 --> 00:26:04.720
We just we checked it out. Starting to get about

552
00:26:04.920 --> 00:26:08.319
uh you know, one thirty forty five pushing two o'clock. Uh,

553
00:26:08.359 --> 00:26:11.079
we had we were anticipating some thunderstorms coming in that week,

554
00:26:11.680 --> 00:26:14.759
so we decided, uh yeah, we'll, we'll, we'll try it

555
00:26:14.759 --> 00:26:18.599
around and harvest uff some some some different herbs that

556
00:26:18.640 --> 00:26:20.559
we were finding around the way, some good medicines. So

557
00:26:21.160 --> 00:26:24.079
we wound up calling it an early day trodding back

558
00:26:24.160 --> 00:26:26.640
up that fire trail. We found it, fortunately, and we

559
00:26:26.680 --> 00:26:29.200
started trotting back up that trail. Really rough terrain getting

560
00:26:29.200 --> 00:26:32.880
out of there. So we started trotting back and it

561
00:26:32.920 --> 00:26:36.799
got to be about about two thirty in the excuse me,

562
00:26:36.799 --> 00:26:40.559
two thirty in the afternoon, and it was kind of overcast, guys,

563
00:26:40.680 --> 00:26:42.799
you know, a little bit of sunlight peeking through, very

564
00:26:42.880 --> 00:26:46.160
still outside. There wasn't there wasn't much wind activity, uh,

565
00:26:46.200 --> 00:26:50.160
nor animal activity either. And it's about two thirty and

566
00:26:50.960 --> 00:26:55.319
we tried at about three quarters of the mile back, uh,

567
00:26:55.480 --> 00:26:57.640
checked the checked the phone. We got about twenty minute.

568
00:26:57.920 --> 00:26:59.799
Tried to the parking lot, back to the parking lot

569
00:26:59.839 --> 00:27:03.400
there and we come out of the canopy right so

570
00:27:03.440 --> 00:27:05.640
the canopy is all the trees covering us. And we

571
00:27:05.720 --> 00:27:07.720
finally come out of the canopy to where the trees

572
00:27:07.839 --> 00:27:10.799
let up. And we've been hearing you know, squirrels and

573
00:27:10.839 --> 00:27:14.160
stuff throughout the day. Were really getting our ears in

574
00:27:14.240 --> 00:27:16.319
tunes for the sounds of the bush right, you know,

575
00:27:16.359 --> 00:27:19.279
so that we're not mistaken for certain things.

576
00:27:19.680 --> 00:27:22.039
So we were familiar with the squirrel sounds.

577
00:27:22.400 --> 00:27:24.680
Black wallnuts are falling all the time at this time

578
00:27:24.680 --> 00:27:26.480
of year, so we're just constantly hearing them fall and.

579
00:27:26.519 --> 00:27:28.799
Hitting leaves and hitting hitting the woods and.

580
00:27:28.799 --> 00:27:30.839
Stuff like that, so you could kind of pick out

581
00:27:30.839 --> 00:27:32.759
the sounds and know what is sounding like when these

582
00:27:32.799 --> 00:27:33.279
things occur.

583
00:27:33.759 --> 00:27:35.079
We come out of this canopy mountain.

584
00:27:35.400 --> 00:27:38.240
Just off to the left of us, there's a grassy berm,

585
00:27:38.279 --> 00:27:39.519
and then on the other side of the burn it

586
00:27:39.559 --> 00:27:42.119
goes straight down into you know, the bush one of

587
00:27:42.160 --> 00:27:45.359
those cliffs again. And as soon as we walked out

588
00:27:45.400 --> 00:27:48.319
of that, man, we're very quiet. We're not expecting anything.

589
00:27:48.400 --> 00:27:49.759
We're coming to the end of our triad, you know

590
00:27:49.799 --> 00:27:51.720
what I mean, and we're just looking to get out

591
00:27:51.759 --> 00:27:54.279
of there and go set spark of fire.

592
00:27:54.160 --> 00:27:54.799
And have some dinner.

593
00:27:55.200 --> 00:27:59.039
And all of a sudden, man, you could hear what

594
00:27:59.279 --> 00:28:02.440
sounded like a rock, man, And I'm thinking maybe about

595
00:28:02.519 --> 00:28:04.119
this size. That's why I brought this thing up here

596
00:28:04.119 --> 00:28:07.000
for reference. We didn't see a rock as we didn't

597
00:28:07.000 --> 00:28:09.359
stick around long enough, but something maybe this size.

598
00:28:09.400 --> 00:28:09.519
Man.

599
00:28:09.559 --> 00:28:11.839
I don't know if you say, this is about softball size, right,

600
00:28:12.279 --> 00:28:14.480
So something about softball size, right.

601
00:28:16.519 --> 00:28:19.000
What sounded like came through the tall grass. And if

602
00:28:19.000 --> 00:28:20.160
you've ever thrown.

603
00:28:19.920 --> 00:28:23.000
Something a ball or a rock, or if you if

604
00:28:23.000 --> 00:28:25.920
you've ever heard something go through the dead tall grass,

605
00:28:25.960 --> 00:28:29.680
the brown grass, right, it makes a particular noise, almost

606
00:28:29.680 --> 00:28:32.039
like a shimmering noise, like a sh you know, going

607
00:28:32.039 --> 00:28:35.240
through the bush right there. And something came through there. Man,

608
00:28:35.279 --> 00:28:38.200
it sounded like it was airborne, right, and came through

609
00:28:38.240 --> 00:28:42.599
there at what I estimated was I guess would be

610
00:28:42.680 --> 00:28:46.000
off to my eight to nine o'clock position, so off

611
00:28:46.039 --> 00:28:47.640
to my left side, came from my eight to nine

612
00:28:47.640 --> 00:28:50.720
o'clock position, potentially over that ridge. But it came through

613
00:28:50.720 --> 00:28:54.200
the tall grass and hit another rock. And that is

614
00:28:54.319 --> 00:28:58.319
that sounded so familiar, you know, I mean rocks plaquing

615
00:28:58.359 --> 00:29:01.720
together is a very a particular sound.

616
00:29:01.599 --> 00:29:05.480
That stands out, man. And if that's what it.

617
00:29:05.400 --> 00:29:07.480
Was, it came through the bush and it hit the rock,

618
00:29:07.640 --> 00:29:10.240
and it startled all of us. I didn't, And so

619
00:29:10.359 --> 00:29:12.839
me being who I am, I don't want to spook

620
00:29:12.880 --> 00:29:14.839
to people behind me. I don't want to be the

621
00:29:14.880 --> 00:29:17.359
placebo that's going to get somebody to answer. The same

622
00:29:17.400 --> 00:29:20.519
way I answered based upon my perspective, right, So I

623
00:29:20.599 --> 00:29:23.079
look back at them, and everybody's like, dah, did you

624
00:29:23.119 --> 00:29:23.720
guys hear that?

625
00:29:24.480 --> 00:29:25.880
And we stayed quiet.

626
00:29:25.880 --> 00:29:27.519
We was kind of whispering when we said it, but yeah,

627
00:29:27.519 --> 00:29:29.960
did you guys hear that? And we all stook our head. Yeah.

628
00:29:30.039 --> 00:29:33.720
And they originally said it sounded like sounded like a

629
00:29:33.839 --> 00:29:34.559
rock hitting.

630
00:29:34.359 --> 00:29:37.319
A rock, and automatically a click with my head because

631
00:29:37.359 --> 00:29:43.000
that was my immediate inference, and so we stopped. We listened.

632
00:29:43.000 --> 00:29:46.519
We didn't hear any motion. Immediately, I'm looking up. I'm thinking, man,

633
00:29:46.559 --> 00:29:48.640
this has to be a black wall. Nup, this has

634
00:29:48.680 --> 00:29:50.680
to be a tree limb breaking off or something like that.

635
00:29:50.759 --> 00:29:51.720
Something rational.

636
00:29:51.759 --> 00:29:51.920
Man.

637
00:29:51.920 --> 00:29:54.440
Maybe maybe something shifted in the sand, maybe a squirrel

638
00:29:54.559 --> 00:29:58.240
kicked something, but this sounded like something that something had

639
00:29:58.279 --> 00:30:01.640
to have had thumbs to throw something. You know, I'm

640
00:30:01.680 --> 00:30:04.839
pretty like I said, I'm I'm very rational, guys, So

641
00:30:05.000 --> 00:30:08.440
I'm not looking to automatically say something is is woo

642
00:30:08.720 --> 00:30:13.960
or something is of paranormal. I'm looking for the rational explanation,

643
00:30:14.079 --> 00:30:15.720
and that I could not find in the moment.

644
00:30:15.759 --> 00:30:18.440
There was no black walnut trees that on top of us.

645
00:30:19.079 --> 00:30:20.839
I don't think a squirrel would have would have threw

646
00:30:20.839 --> 00:30:23.359
a black walnut at me, nor threw a black walnut

647
00:30:23.400 --> 00:30:25.680
in general, and who.

648
00:30:25.559 --> 00:30:26.400
Would have thrown the rock.

649
00:30:26.480 --> 00:30:29.240
I mean, this soil has maybe smaller rocks in it's

650
00:30:29.279 --> 00:30:31.519
kind of like your harder play soil and stuff like that.

651
00:30:32.160 --> 00:30:33.680
There's a little bit of leaf litter on the ground

652
00:30:33.720 --> 00:30:37.519
as well, but we weren't seeing large rocks like that.

653
00:30:37.599 --> 00:30:40.400
Even trotting through the through the through the back country

654
00:30:40.440 --> 00:30:42.480
like that, there was no large rocks or anything. So

655
00:30:43.519 --> 00:30:46.799
we we stopped for a second. We paused for about

656
00:30:47.119 --> 00:30:50.599
two minutes, didn't hear anything, and we slowly creaked around.

657
00:30:50.680 --> 00:30:51.960
I was in the in the front of the in

658
00:30:52.000 --> 00:30:52.400
the front of.

659
00:30:52.400 --> 00:30:55.839
The pack, right, so I slowly trotted around, went up,

660
00:30:56.559 --> 00:30:59.559
kind of did a little curve off to the left

661
00:30:59.599 --> 00:31:02.160
to about ten o'clock position, right around the backside of

662
00:31:02.160 --> 00:31:02.839
that burn.

663
00:31:02.759 --> 00:31:04.839
And didn't see anything.

664
00:31:05.000 --> 00:31:10.160
And me just listening to you know the podcasts in

665
00:31:10.200 --> 00:31:12.319
the past, people are always talking about, you know, the

666
00:31:12.359 --> 00:31:14.880
spider position, right, things are crawling and stuff like that,

667
00:31:15.000 --> 00:31:17.119
and you know, we're never looking.

668
00:31:16.920 --> 00:31:17.359
At the ground.

669
00:31:17.359 --> 00:31:19.079
We're always thinking, oh, it's going to be an eight

670
00:31:19.319 --> 00:31:21.720
you know, the ten foot tall creature or individual, and

671
00:31:21.720 --> 00:31:24.599
we're gonna be looking up for something. And so I'm

672
00:31:24.640 --> 00:31:29.559
looking around, I'm not seeing anything, and a big boom

673
00:31:29.559 --> 00:31:31.720
of thunder comes in and spook us again. You know

674
00:31:31.720 --> 00:31:34.480
what I mean, We're already We're already on.

675
00:31:34.599 --> 00:31:35.400
Edge man, you know.

676
00:31:36.240 --> 00:31:40.319
And me, I gotta laugh at myself because I'm always

677
00:31:40.319 --> 00:31:42.279
proud of myself. I'm being the tough guy, you know

678
00:31:42.279 --> 00:31:44.559
what I mean that, Hey, you know, nothing, nothing's going

679
00:31:44.599 --> 00:31:46.480
to scare me. I got to be able to, you know,

680
00:31:46.759 --> 00:31:48.920
take care of everybody behind me, you know, the caretaker

681
00:31:48.960 --> 00:31:49.440
in a sense.

682
00:31:49.559 --> 00:31:51.400
And you know, let's start.

683
00:31:51.440 --> 00:31:55.720
It startled me, that really humbled me, you know. So no,

684
00:31:55.720 --> 00:31:58.519
nonetheless we didn't hear anything, but we continue to walk

685
00:31:58.559 --> 00:32:02.359
out and got back to the parking lot, jump back

686
00:32:02.359 --> 00:32:04.200
in the vehicle, headed back to camp, and.

687
00:32:04.119 --> 00:32:07.359
We were just trying to make makes sense to this,

688
00:32:07.400 --> 00:32:10.400
you know what I mean? We didn't. I should I

689
00:32:10.400 --> 00:32:11.599
should I should have said this before.

690
00:32:11.720 --> 00:32:15.119
I find it unfortunate that these things happen when I

691
00:32:15.160 --> 00:32:18.359
go out with other people that are under my supervision,

692
00:32:18.359 --> 00:32:19.599
you know what I mean. So I got to look

693
00:32:19.599 --> 00:32:22.279
out for individuals that are not out there for that

694
00:32:22.319 --> 00:32:25.000
particular experience in the sense, so.

695
00:32:25.400 --> 00:32:26.440
I didn't want to stick around.

696
00:32:26.599 --> 00:32:28.640
Me and my guy would we would have stuck around,

697
00:32:29.440 --> 00:32:31.400
you know, for the next hour so and even push

698
00:32:31.440 --> 00:32:33.640
through the rain, just to do some more investigation. But

699
00:32:33.640 --> 00:32:35.400
we had we had a lady with us, and we

700
00:32:35.440 --> 00:32:38.000
didn't we didn't know how gear she was for that,

701
00:32:38.319 --> 00:32:41.359
so we tried to back out. Unfortunately, and I got

702
00:32:41.400 --> 00:32:43.480
back to the parking lot, set up camp or excuse me,

703
00:32:44.200 --> 00:32:46.680
set up for a meal, got the fire going, rain

704
00:32:46.799 --> 00:32:49.839
started coming in, and you know, we wound up laying

705
00:32:49.880 --> 00:32:52.599
down pretty early, about ten eleven o'clock in the nighttime.

706
00:32:52.640 --> 00:32:53.640
And before we were.

707
00:32:53.599 --> 00:32:55.839
Laying it down, we heard in the middle of the rain,

708
00:32:55.880 --> 00:32:57.200
in the middle of the night, like I said, pushing

709
00:32:57.240 --> 00:33:02.000
eleven twelve o'clock, what sounded like.

710
00:33:00.920 --> 00:33:03.400
Like shotgun blasts in the distance. And I'm thinking to.

711
00:33:03.359 --> 00:33:07.680
Myself, who's shooting off shotguns? You know, to what would

712
00:33:07.720 --> 00:33:10.480
have been maybe my one o'clock position, at my eleven

713
00:33:10.519 --> 00:33:13.119
o'clock That's what it sounded like to me. Who's shooting

714
00:33:13.119 --> 00:33:16.880
off shotgun at you know, eleven twelve o'clock at night

715
00:33:17.079 --> 00:33:20.039
during a rainstorm. That really didn't add up, you know,

716
00:33:20.079 --> 00:33:22.400
I know that maybe people could have been out there

717
00:33:22.480 --> 00:33:25.519
hunting coyote or coyote man, you know what I mean.

718
00:33:25.599 --> 00:33:27.960
But I'm not familiar with people that are doing that

719
00:33:28.000 --> 00:33:29.440
at eleven twelve o'clock at night.

720
00:33:29.519 --> 00:33:33.559
So it sounded like a gunshot in the distance.

721
00:33:33.599 --> 00:33:35.920
If I had to guess between between a half a

722
00:33:35.960 --> 00:33:37.839
mile and a mile away, you know, a mile might

723
00:33:37.880 --> 00:33:40.279
be pushing it because I could still really hear the

724
00:33:40.880 --> 00:33:42.799
blast from it, if that's what you want to call it.

725
00:33:42.839 --> 00:33:44.279
So I'd have to say about a half a mile

726
00:33:44.279 --> 00:33:46.519
away in the distance. And they came from opposite sides

727
00:33:46.559 --> 00:33:50.960
of each other. So do you say that is your

728
00:33:51.960 --> 00:33:53.039
supposed would knock?

729
00:33:53.359 --> 00:33:54.400
You know, I'm not sure.

730
00:33:54.640 --> 00:33:56.680
What about you, Jeremy, do you do you have you

731
00:33:56.720 --> 00:33:59.839
ever heard people talking about what sounds like gunshots compared

732
00:33:59.880 --> 00:34:02.839
to woodknocks or do people want at that time of night?

733
00:34:03.799 --> 00:34:07.160
That is something that I mean, I'm thinking of my

734
00:34:07.279 --> 00:34:12.119
own first experience in Iowa. People that aren't used to

735
00:34:12.159 --> 00:34:15.119
hearing something like that, they'll usually say it, you know.

736
00:34:15.199 --> 00:34:17.000
I think what I said was, I was like, why

737
00:34:17.000 --> 00:34:19.760
are the fireworks out here? It's not fireworks, it's just

738
00:34:19.800 --> 00:34:24.440
like a crazy wood knock and or you know, like

739
00:34:24.760 --> 00:34:27.400
a gunshot is another great example.

740
00:34:27.559 --> 00:34:29.519
The time of night that it happened.

741
00:34:30.840 --> 00:34:33.199
You're right, it really doesn't make sense that it was

742
00:34:34.599 --> 00:34:39.599
you know, someone hunting at midnight, and it's that's weird, right,

743
00:34:39.960 --> 00:34:43.440
So take into account the area you're in and what

744
00:34:43.480 --> 00:34:47.599
you know about the area, and what other people have experienced.

745
00:34:47.960 --> 00:34:51.480
I mean, there's been at least we know of I

746
00:34:51.519 --> 00:34:53.719
think two different people that have been talking about this

747
00:34:53.760 --> 00:34:56.159
for so I know there's many many other people that

748
00:34:56.199 --> 00:34:59.800
have had things happen in there. I just haven't actually

749
00:34:59.800 --> 00:35:03.119
talked looking to one of them. After this, I don't

750
00:35:03.400 --> 00:35:06.880
I'm a guy. After this, I just realized that. So

751
00:35:07.800 --> 00:35:12.039
that's pretty funny. But that's man. Uh, is this an

752
00:35:12.119 --> 00:35:15.159
area where you're you're thinking of spending a lot of

753
00:35:15.159 --> 00:35:18.559
more time in the future, or maybe going back with

754
00:35:20.159 --> 00:35:22.199
a smaller group that would be in it for the

755
00:35:22.239 --> 00:35:23.880
long hauliday investigate stuff.

756
00:35:25.320 --> 00:35:28.840
Absolutely, And I'm willing to go out by myself if necessary.

757
00:35:28.880 --> 00:35:32.719
I'm not I'm not one that's uh that's not keen.

758
00:35:32.639 --> 00:35:34.679
To going off by himself and doing a hike by

759
00:35:34.719 --> 00:35:37.440
himself or doing some set up camp solo camp for

760
00:35:37.440 --> 00:35:38.599
a weekend or something like that.

761
00:35:39.159 --> 00:35:40.800
I'm just fine with doing that, and.

762
00:35:41.239 --> 00:35:45.559
I'm not looking to really expose anything from you know,

763
00:35:45.719 --> 00:35:47.960
my curiosity, you know what I mean. It's it's more

764
00:35:48.000 --> 00:35:51.199
so for my research only and to share with uh,

765
00:35:51.400 --> 00:35:53.800
share with fellow researchers, you know what I mean, just

766
00:35:53.840 --> 00:35:56.519
to get more of an overstanding of what we're dealing with,

767
00:35:56.559 --> 00:36:01.400
because this is not something that is I guess, I

768
00:36:01.400 --> 00:36:05.119
guess recognized. They're noticed by science, by the scientific community

769
00:36:05.440 --> 00:36:08.079
in a sense, there's no definite there's no tangible evidence

770
00:36:08.199 --> 00:36:11.119
if you want to say that, you know, but I

771
00:36:11.280 --> 00:36:14.199
definitely look to go out to this particular area. I

772
00:36:14.199 --> 00:36:16.239
want to go down to hoos your National Forest or

773
00:36:16.320 --> 00:36:18.760
Yellowood and stuff like that. But I heard that, you know,

774
00:36:18.800 --> 00:36:22.039
Morgan Monroe is is where the hotspot is, and I

775
00:36:22.039 --> 00:36:23.239
could definitely see why.

776
00:36:25.239 --> 00:36:26.880
And it's just a very interesting area.

777
00:36:26.920 --> 00:36:29.840
There's so many places to get into the backwards areas

778
00:36:29.920 --> 00:36:31.840
and if you if you talk to people or do

779
00:36:31.880 --> 00:36:35.559
some research around, people will talk about the many different

780
00:36:35.639 --> 00:36:38.639
areas in there where they're having activity and stuff like that,

781
00:36:38.679 --> 00:36:40.440
and treight their leg scenes to be one of those

782
00:36:40.480 --> 00:36:43.440
scout ridge some of the some of the some people

783
00:36:43.519 --> 00:36:45.800
that are doing mushroom hunting out there on some of

784
00:36:45.840 --> 00:36:48.960
these more. I guess you would call them these these

785
00:36:49.000 --> 00:36:51.119
pull off areas, you know, kind of like how it

786
00:36:51.159 --> 00:36:53.880
is out west in Colorado and stuff like that, where

787
00:36:53.920 --> 00:36:55.400
you could just pull off of the highway and then

788
00:36:55.480 --> 00:36:58.159
try it out for a little while. So there's areas

789
00:36:58.199 --> 00:37:03.079
like that where it seems to be pretty promising. And yeah,

790
00:37:03.079 --> 00:37:05.360
I'd definitely love to get out there in the near future,

791
00:37:05.360 --> 00:37:08.679
man and and uh and do some more research and

792
00:37:08.719 --> 00:37:11.079
actually go out there for that. I do a lot

793
00:37:11.079 --> 00:37:14.239
of hiking with my group out this way, will lead

794
00:37:14.280 --> 00:37:16.920
people from the region on different tribes, you know, getting

795
00:37:16.920 --> 00:37:20.320
people exposed in nature, teaching them about plant medicine and

796
00:37:20.320 --> 00:37:21.960
and just just nature in general.

797
00:37:21.960 --> 00:37:22.119
You know.

798
00:37:22.280 --> 00:37:24.920
I mean some really really good adventures that we go

799
00:37:24.960 --> 00:37:27.320
on from here all the way to Michigan.

800
00:37:27.599 --> 00:37:31.119
And so I definitely like to to go out some more.

801
00:37:31.199 --> 00:37:34.000
And I was I was saying these particular areas that

802
00:37:34.000 --> 00:37:36.320
that I select, I don't think a lot of people know,

803
00:37:36.360 --> 00:37:38.400
but I'm gonna put it out there now for the

804
00:37:38.400 --> 00:37:40.800
people that's listening that that tri out with us.

805
00:37:41.000 --> 00:37:43.679
You know, I usually excuse these particular areas because I've.

806
00:37:43.519 --> 00:37:45.719
Done my research and I find that these are hot

807
00:37:45.719 --> 00:37:47.840
spots for activity and stuff like that. So I have

808
00:37:47.920 --> 00:37:50.800
my own personal agenda, you know what I mean, And

809
00:37:51.079 --> 00:37:53.039
to bring in a little crowd and expose the people

810
00:37:53.079 --> 00:37:55.920
to you know, I guess maybe what's not taught or

811
00:37:55.960 --> 00:38:01.199
what's not accepted in society, uh is always the best

812
00:38:01.239 --> 00:38:03.079
interest to me, you know, because I love to I

813
00:38:03.119 --> 00:38:05.480
love to expose the truth to people and to get

814
00:38:05.480 --> 00:38:07.920
them back into with nature. So Morgan Monroe is definitely

815
00:38:07.920 --> 00:38:09.440
a place that I'll be looking to go back to

816
00:38:09.480 --> 00:38:10.199
in the near future.

817
00:38:10.400 --> 00:38:14.440
Another place you had mentioned when I got your sign

818
00:38:14.559 --> 00:38:18.480
up is you had mentioned Turkey Run, and that's actually

819
00:38:18.559 --> 00:38:23.880
a place that I've visited. Wow family trips back in

820
00:38:23.960 --> 00:38:28.079
junior high. But I I've gone down in those canyons

821
00:38:28.519 --> 00:38:32.039
and it is it's very it's beautiful. It's a little

822
00:38:32.039 --> 00:38:34.960
weird down there. And I've also I don't know, have

823
00:38:35.039 --> 00:38:38.440
you heard the episode about the lady who her and

824
00:38:38.480 --> 00:38:41.880
her family went down into Turkey Run and then pretty

825
00:38:41.920 --> 00:38:44.400
much they stopped. They stepped through the mist of the

826
00:38:44.440 --> 00:38:46.480
fog and there was like a family a bigfoot and

827
00:38:46.519 --> 00:38:49.400
they were like pretty much frozen in place. They couldn't

828
00:38:49.440 --> 00:38:51.800
move for like an hour. It's it's a wild. It's

829
00:38:51.840 --> 00:38:54.079
a wild one. This is a while back, but so

830
00:38:54.159 --> 00:38:57.599
I am. I'm curious to hear what you have experienced

831
00:38:57.639 --> 00:38:59.840
out there in Turkey Run because I know a few

832
00:39:00.039 --> 00:39:02.119
people have been experiencing stuff out there.

833
00:39:03.320 --> 00:39:06.639
Okay, absolutely, And before I jump into that, I'd like

834
00:39:06.679 --> 00:39:09.880
to say that I give thanks to the gentleman. I

835
00:39:09.880 --> 00:39:12.280
think he was in episode nine fifty three as well,

836
00:39:13.480 --> 00:39:16.800
but he was talking with you about these potential highways,

837
00:39:16.840 --> 00:39:19.960
you know, these forest areas that are interconnected. Turkey Run

838
00:39:20.079 --> 00:39:22.800
shades State Park. I did some camping down at Raccoon Lake,

839
00:39:22.840 --> 00:39:27.800
which is about Lake Waveland. So Turkey Run shades Raccoon

840
00:39:27.880 --> 00:39:31.400
Lake all the other nature preserves that are just west

841
00:39:31.400 --> 00:39:33.599
of Indianapolis, and then further south where they connected to

842
00:39:33.599 --> 00:39:35.800
Brown County and Morgan and Road all the way down

843
00:39:35.800 --> 00:39:37.920
to Mammoth Caves and such. You know, so it seems

844
00:39:37.960 --> 00:39:41.559
like to be an interconnected highway that these potential creatures

845
00:39:41.559 --> 00:39:44.639
could travel, you know, I mean and really go unnoticed.

846
00:39:44.679 --> 00:39:47.320
I mean, these places are so vast and the terrain

847
00:39:47.480 --> 00:39:51.760
is is so difficult to traverse. I mean, Turkey Run

848
00:39:52.239 --> 00:39:55.360
was like that in general. So I'll go into my

849
00:39:55.400 --> 00:39:59.000
Turkey Run experience here this was. This happened the day

850
00:39:59.000 --> 00:40:02.559
after Halloween this year, twenty twenty five, so November first,

851
00:40:02.920 --> 00:40:08.239
which was a Saturday, and once again I was leading

852
00:40:08.239 --> 00:40:10.199
the group hiking down there, and I to it was

853
00:40:10.239 --> 00:40:12.639
Turkey Run, because you know, I know that it's an

854
00:40:12.679 --> 00:40:16.079
area thrown to some activity supposedly, so I wanted to

855
00:40:16.119 --> 00:40:19.400
go down there and really get a change of scenery,

856
00:40:19.480 --> 00:40:21.719
change of landscape, as we're just so used to hiking

857
00:40:21.719 --> 00:40:23.360
the sand dunes up here and stuff, so we want

858
00:40:23.400 --> 00:40:25.159
to get down to some different terrains.

859
00:40:25.199 --> 00:40:27.639
So we got down there Saturday afternoon.

860
00:40:28.440 --> 00:40:30.360
We had a group of about five or six people

861
00:40:30.400 --> 00:40:33.599
with us, A diverse group we had. We had guys

862
00:40:33.599 --> 00:40:35.639
and girls with us, So I was it was nice

863
00:40:35.639 --> 00:40:37.719
to get out there and we were hiking.

864
00:40:37.760 --> 00:40:40.639
I believe it's Trail one. I don't have the map

865
00:40:40.679 --> 00:40:40.960
with me.

866
00:40:41.000 --> 00:40:43.920
I was looking for the map the other day when

867
00:40:44.119 --> 00:40:46.599
when I signed up for this, but I couldn't find

868
00:40:46.639 --> 00:40:49.800
the map. But I believe it's trail one, and this

869
00:40:49.840 --> 00:40:55.000
one takes you through the one hundred and seventy six steps.

870
00:40:55.119 --> 00:40:58.920
I think it is those those bricks there, I don't

871
00:40:58.920 --> 00:41:00.400
know what they are, if they're talk get into the

872
00:41:00.480 --> 00:41:02.480
landscape or what. But they just look like real old

873
00:41:02.480 --> 00:41:04.400
steps and one hundred and seventy six of them. And

874
00:41:04.480 --> 00:41:06.840
right before that is the ladders. Right the ladders is

875
00:41:06.840 --> 00:41:09.119
where you climbed down into one of the canyons, and

876
00:41:09.159 --> 00:41:13.639
that was a pretty neat spot. But yeah, nuh we

877
00:41:13.760 --> 00:41:16.199
so way before that, this is like right at the

878
00:41:16.239 --> 00:41:18.880
beginning of the tribe, and we jumped on trail one.

879
00:41:18.920 --> 00:41:22.079
We started traversing through and very neat landscape, these huge

880
00:41:23.360 --> 00:41:26.480
rock outcroppings and very steep terrain and stuff like that.

881
00:41:26.519 --> 00:41:30.000
So we started trotting through there and we got down

882
00:41:30.000 --> 00:41:32.599
to this spot where just it was it.

883
00:41:32.519 --> 00:41:33.679
Got real real tight.

884
00:41:33.719 --> 00:41:35.559
Everybody had the the and there was a bunch of

885
00:41:35.559 --> 00:41:38.159
people on the trail in front of us, so people

886
00:41:38.199 --> 00:41:40.159
were just you know, squeezed in trying to get through

887
00:41:40.199 --> 00:41:43.280
this this tight spot, and we wound up coming off

888
00:41:43.280 --> 00:41:46.360
to the left of this trail. If anybody's listening and

889
00:41:46.719 --> 00:41:49.559
has been on this trail, try to picture and try

890
00:41:49.559 --> 00:41:53.639
to follow where where I'm headed. So there's the spot

891
00:41:53.639 --> 00:41:56.079
where you can go off to the left and it

892
00:41:56.079 --> 00:41:58.480
looks like a little chill spot. People take their dogs

893
00:41:58.480 --> 00:42:01.000
maybe back in there and just hang out for a while.

894
00:42:01.039 --> 00:42:03.199
But if you if you crawl up, if you crawl

895
00:42:03.320 --> 00:42:05.920
up the ridge there a little bit crawl upon the rocks,

896
00:42:06.119 --> 00:42:08.559
you get you get over to this other side where

897
00:42:08.880 --> 00:42:12.119
it's kind of there's a lot of wild ginger over there.

898
00:42:12.199 --> 00:42:13.920
People know what that is a lot of wild ginger

899
00:42:13.960 --> 00:42:16.199
growing right there. Uh. And then there's kind of like

900
00:42:16.239 --> 00:42:20.400
this little you know, rock outcropping that's I don't know

901
00:42:20.440 --> 00:42:21.519
how you want to call it, if you want to

902
00:42:21.559 --> 00:42:25.480
call it like a canyon, you know, little canyon. And

903
00:42:26.440 --> 00:42:28.800
walking right up to there, you know, there's like a

904
00:42:28.800 --> 00:42:31.960
little wet, little damp area or maybe it was wet,

905
00:42:32.119 --> 00:42:35.000
you know, from the rain that came a few days before.

906
00:42:35.559 --> 00:42:38.039
But I was walking up in there, we all searching around,

907
00:42:38.039 --> 00:42:40.880
we were harvesting up some wild ginger and some other

908
00:42:40.920 --> 00:42:43.960
things out that way, and I came across what appeared

909
00:42:44.000 --> 00:42:46.079
to be a set of footprints.

910
00:42:46.079 --> 00:42:47.079
Man, and this one.

911
00:42:47.199 --> 00:42:50.000
Man, I'm telling you, sometimes when you come across things

912
00:42:50.000 --> 00:42:51.840
that are really compelling, it'll make your heart jump.

913
00:42:51.880 --> 00:42:54.239
You know you can you can be a very deserful guy.

914
00:42:54.840 --> 00:42:56.079
It'll make your heart jump. Man.

915
00:42:56.559 --> 00:43:00.239
So yeah, I've seen this, and I'm like, this can't

916
00:43:00.239 --> 00:43:02.719
be what I'm looking at Man, So you know, I

917
00:43:02.760 --> 00:43:05.880
got closer started investigating before I called out to you know,

918
00:43:05.880 --> 00:43:07.400
my other guys that were on the trail with me.

919
00:43:07.840 --> 00:43:10.440
But I started checking it out a little more, and

920
00:43:10.840 --> 00:43:15.639
you couldn't really make out find details. Like if you

921
00:43:15.639 --> 00:43:17.280
were to do a cast or something, you could really

922
00:43:17.440 --> 00:43:19.559
you know, define the details, or if something were to

923
00:43:19.559 --> 00:43:22.280
step in mud or some wet sand and stuff, it

924
00:43:22.320 --> 00:43:23.400
really brings out the details.

925
00:43:23.400 --> 00:43:24.840
This was in leaf litter, right, so.

926
00:43:25.599 --> 00:43:29.599
Kind of hard to see, and it had the shape

927
00:43:29.639 --> 00:43:33.000
of maybe like a fourteen inch footprint because it was

928
00:43:33.000 --> 00:43:35.440
a few inches bigger than mine and my boots. My

929
00:43:35.480 --> 00:43:37.599
boots are ourside eleven and a half, so you know,

930
00:43:37.639 --> 00:43:39.519
I was I was saying about three or four inches

931
00:43:39.559 --> 00:43:42.760
bigger than mine. And there was a deep there was

932
00:43:42.800 --> 00:43:44.840
about a one and a half to two foot depression

933
00:43:44.880 --> 00:43:47.320
where the toes were in the leaf litter. And I

934
00:43:47.360 --> 00:43:49.800
tried to recreate this, right, I tried to get a

935
00:43:49.840 --> 00:43:52.199
running start and jump. I'm a one hundred and forty

936
00:43:52.280 --> 00:43:54.039
five pounds and a couple of guys that had with

937
00:43:54.119 --> 00:43:57.280
me are Buck eighty, you know, Buck ninety, and so

938
00:43:57.320 --> 00:44:00.880
we tried to recreate that depression in this leaf litter,

939
00:44:01.480 --> 00:44:03.519
and we noticed that we weren't able to do that

940
00:44:03.559 --> 00:44:06.159
even when we came down on our toes, right, but

941
00:44:06.239 --> 00:44:08.800
you could you could definitely tell where the heel was,

942
00:44:09.679 --> 00:44:12.760
how it kind of curved out all the way down

943
00:44:12.800 --> 00:44:14.679
to where the toes were, and something was kind of

944
00:44:14.760 --> 00:44:15.440
running through there.

945
00:44:15.519 --> 00:44:18.559
So but yeah, you could see that. You can see the.

946
00:44:18.679 --> 00:44:21.400
Where the toe impression was on one of the feet,

947
00:44:21.400 --> 00:44:22.719
which looked like the right foot.

948
00:44:23.159 --> 00:44:23.679
That's why I could.

949
00:44:23.760 --> 00:44:25.599
I could remember in detail with the right foot it

950
00:44:25.639 --> 00:44:28.840
appeared to be. And then what really got me, man,

951
00:44:29.559 --> 00:44:32.320
which really what made me say, ah, this this may

952
00:44:32.360 --> 00:44:35.880
not be human footprint, you know, is that there was

953
00:44:35.960 --> 00:44:38.480
a six foot gate in between the steps.

954
00:44:38.800 --> 00:44:40.719
So there's a six foot stride in between there.

955
00:44:40.840 --> 00:44:43.199
And I remember that from you know, guys talking on

956
00:44:43.239 --> 00:44:47.159
your podcast recently and guys were saying, you know, that's

957
00:44:47.199 --> 00:44:52.119
one thing that we'll always negated being human activity. You

958
00:44:52.119 --> 00:44:54.079
could say what you want about that, but that was

959
00:44:54.119 --> 00:44:56.039
my inference coming from that, is that there was that

960
00:44:56.119 --> 00:44:58.159
six foot stride in there and there was no other

961
00:44:58.199 --> 00:45:00.800
footprints around there that we that we looked, you know,

962
00:45:01.000 --> 00:45:03.119
and potentially what we inferred is that.

963
00:45:03.360 --> 00:45:05.639
There was there was like like I said, another another.

964
00:45:05.400 --> 00:45:07.599
Little cliff edge right there, and we wound up going

965
00:45:07.679 --> 00:45:09.440
up there to get up on top of the ridge,

966
00:45:09.480 --> 00:45:13.800
which put us right back near the trail. But you know,

967
00:45:13.840 --> 00:45:16.440
something could have potentially jumped up, especially if these creatures

968
00:45:16.480 --> 00:45:19.119
are able to jump as high as some people say

969
00:45:19.119 --> 00:45:22.079
they dude, you know, ten to fifteen twenty foot high.

970
00:45:22.360 --> 00:45:24.280
It was able to take those one two steps and

971
00:45:24.280 --> 00:45:27.519
then go up. So that was very intriguing as well

972
00:45:28.400 --> 00:45:31.480
out in there. And that's that's the only encounter I

973
00:45:31.559 --> 00:45:34.639
had in there. But the further we pushed along the trail,

974
00:45:34.760 --> 00:45:36.199
like I said, we got we got to the to

975
00:45:36.280 --> 00:45:38.400
the stairs right and we traversed up one.

976
00:45:38.360 --> 00:45:40.519
Hundred seventy six one hundred.

977
00:45:40.199 --> 00:45:43.960
Seventy six step staircase, and we got to another spot

978
00:45:44.039 --> 00:45:47.400
and stuff harvesting up some some pop there's some pop

979
00:45:47.440 --> 00:45:49.519
pout trees in there. Were harvesting up some pop paw

980
00:45:49.599 --> 00:45:52.079
leaves and some other mushrooms. I think we tossed some

981
00:45:52.199 --> 00:45:55.239
pup balls and turkey tails we were harvesting up as well.

982
00:45:56.000 --> 00:45:57.719
So we came to this other spot. I must have

983
00:45:57.719 --> 00:46:00.400
been ahead of the trail, ahead of the guys, you know,

984
00:46:00.480 --> 00:46:03.519
down in another spot harvesting up. But my guy, Aaron,

985
00:46:04.119 --> 00:46:09.039
came across would look like a tree blind right off

986
00:46:09.039 --> 00:46:12.320
of the trail, you know. And uh, he had a guy,

987
00:46:12.519 --> 00:46:14.079
he had one or two other guys with them that

988
00:46:14.079 --> 00:46:16.079
were hiking with us, and he was able.

989
00:46:15.880 --> 00:46:16.760
To show them.

990
00:46:16.800 --> 00:46:19.440
And you know, they're kind of novice in this, you know,

991
00:46:19.519 --> 00:46:21.599
so they're not really sure what to be looking for.

992
00:46:21.679 --> 00:46:24.000
So it's it's cool to to bring them out on

993
00:46:24.079 --> 00:46:26.079
these trids and kind of work.

994
00:46:25.920 --> 00:46:29.000
Their work, their their bush skills up, you know what

995
00:46:29.079 --> 00:46:29.360
I mean.

996
00:46:29.920 --> 00:46:32.639
And so he seen, he's seen what appeared to be

997
00:46:33.559 --> 00:46:35.039
and we were like, said, we're out on the trail

998
00:46:35.079 --> 00:46:37.000
yesterday when we found that tree bend, me and Aaron,

999
00:46:37.320 --> 00:46:38.800
and uh he brought it up to me when he

1000
00:46:38.840 --> 00:46:41.280
came across this this particular size tree. He was like,

1001
00:46:41.360 --> 00:46:44.199
this is what that tree looked like that I seen,

1002
00:46:44.519 --> 00:46:46.960
which could have been used for a blind right on

1003
00:46:47.000 --> 00:46:47.679
the side of the trail.

1004
00:46:47.760 --> 00:46:49.519
It was. It was a green tree. The leaves were

1005
00:46:49.559 --> 00:46:50.199
still green.

1006
00:46:50.039 --> 00:46:50.360
On it, right.

1007
00:46:50.440 --> 00:46:52.239
It wasn't like it was uh you know, the fall

1008
00:46:52.320 --> 00:46:56.079
time dead fall. It was just maneuvered alongside of the trail.

1009
00:46:56.119 --> 00:46:58.280
It was it was had to have been what I

1010
00:46:58.360 --> 00:47:01.719
influenced is about twenty foot around, you know, around the trunk.

1011
00:47:02.000 --> 00:47:05.800
Twenty inches would be the size of the tree.

1012
00:47:05.840 --> 00:47:09.920
And maybe about twelve to fifteen foot tall is what

1013
00:47:09.920 --> 00:47:12.480
what we could estimate the size of it was. And

1014
00:47:12.960 --> 00:47:15.280
to him it looked like it you would you would

1015
00:47:15.280 --> 00:47:17.119
need a couple of people to pick this log up

1016
00:47:17.159 --> 00:47:18.679
and to move it where it was. And it wasn't

1017
00:47:18.719 --> 00:47:21.119
a cut log because people, you know, were doing logging

1018
00:47:21.159 --> 00:47:23.039
down there obviously, so you could see where the four

1019
00:47:23.079 --> 00:47:25.480
service was coming in and cutting some of the trees.

1020
00:47:25.760 --> 00:47:27.960
But it looked like somebody picked this up and set

1021
00:47:27.960 --> 00:47:30.639
it on side of the trail, up against another tree

1022
00:47:30.719 --> 00:47:34.199
to create this blind you know, I guess you could say,

1023
00:47:34.280 --> 00:47:36.800
you know, mother nature did it. I guess that's the

1024
00:47:36.840 --> 00:47:40.079
obvious or the rational, you know, explanation for this. But

1025
00:47:40.440 --> 00:47:42.880
just the manner that it was placed and where this

1026
00:47:42.920 --> 00:47:45.639
tree could have come from, because we we searched, not knee,

1027
00:47:45.639 --> 00:47:47.880
but they searched around the area and didn't find any

1028
00:47:48.119 --> 00:47:51.719
any spot where this tree potentially matched up to a

1029
00:47:51.760 --> 00:47:54.559
broken trunk or something that was uprooted. It looked like

1030
00:47:54.599 --> 00:47:57.239
something that was picked up somewhere out of the bush

1031
00:47:57.320 --> 00:47:58.840
or broken somewhere out of the bush because they had

1032
00:47:58.840 --> 00:48:02.360
the splintered edges right, so something broken picked up and

1033
00:48:02.400 --> 00:48:04.000
moved to the side of the trail to lean up

1034
00:48:04.000 --> 00:48:07.760
against another tree and or bush right there to kind

1035
00:48:07.760 --> 00:48:09.760
of get behind and hide. And he said it was

1036
00:48:09.800 --> 00:48:12.840
about eight foot tall in total where the blind was stashed. So,

1037
00:48:13.440 --> 00:48:15.880
I mean, when we start getting to these eight nine

1038
00:48:16.039 --> 00:48:21.719
ten foot tall anomalies, it really makes me wonder if

1039
00:48:21.760 --> 00:48:25.400
we have to exclude or eliminate, you know, human activity.

1040
00:48:26.320 --> 00:48:29.960
But nonetheless, it's just a very interesting encounter down there

1041
00:48:29.960 --> 00:48:33.159
in Turkey Run. And I'd definitely look to go back

1042
00:48:33.159 --> 00:48:36.519
to Shades State Park this Friday. I wanted to camp

1043
00:48:36.519 --> 00:48:38.119
out this week, but I'm looking to go back this

1044
00:48:38.199 --> 00:48:41.679
Friday and then camp out potentially the next weekend, which

1045
00:48:41.679 --> 00:48:43.639
would be the first week in December, so like December

1046
00:48:43.679 --> 00:48:46.079
sixth and seventh, I want to camp out at Shades.

1047
00:48:47.719 --> 00:48:51.480
It's it's extremely interesting when you can bind the info

1048
00:48:51.559 --> 00:48:56.840
about the blind, especially with finding what looks to be

1049
00:48:57.159 --> 00:49:02.320
tracks with a six foot gate, is extremely extremely compelling.

1050
00:49:03.599 --> 00:49:07.320
There is an app that you can get if you

1051
00:49:07.320 --> 00:49:09.440
have a smartphone on you when you go in there

1052
00:49:09.599 --> 00:49:14.719
where you can actually scan stuff using your your phone camera,

1053
00:49:14.800 --> 00:49:16.840
so you don't have to if you don't have casting

1054
00:49:16.880 --> 00:49:19.519
stuff in in whether you're like it wouldn't.

1055
00:49:19.199 --> 00:49:20.559
Cast, you can at least try.

1056
00:49:21.159 --> 00:49:24.039
You're scanning it and seeing a three D scan, and

1057
00:49:24.079 --> 00:49:27.079
then you can kind of see a different view of

1058
00:49:27.119 --> 00:49:30.639
how far down it actually goes into the leaf litter.

1059
00:49:31.199 --> 00:49:37.599
I think scan scan a verse is a good one. Yeah, gotcha,

1060
00:49:38.239 --> 00:49:41.599
So that might be It's been a while since we

1061
00:49:41.679 --> 00:49:44.840
talked about that one, but that's something you might be

1062
00:49:44.920 --> 00:49:47.480
able to look at and listeners check that out to it.

1063
00:49:47.639 --> 00:49:50.239
At least you have something you know, if you don't

1064
00:49:50.280 --> 00:49:54.559
have plaster on you. But there's so many weird things

1065
00:49:54.559 --> 00:49:58.400
that have happened in Turkey run over the years. I'm

1066
00:49:58.400 --> 00:50:02.360
not surprised really that you're I mean, if you're finding

1067
00:50:02.440 --> 00:50:05.440
multiple tracks with a six foot gate, I mean, how

1068
00:50:05.440 --> 00:50:07.480
many tracks in all? Did you do you think he saw?

1069
00:50:07.519 --> 00:50:09.079
There were the potential attraction?

1070
00:50:10.480 --> 00:50:11.480
Gotcha? There was.

1071
00:50:12.360 --> 00:50:14.960
There was only two definitive ones that we've seen, right, okay,

1072
00:50:15.159 --> 00:50:16.079
And like I said.

1073
00:50:16.039 --> 00:50:19.039
They were they were just right in an area where.

1074
00:50:18.840 --> 00:50:20.559
It looked like something could have jumped up on this

1075
00:50:20.639 --> 00:50:23.239
cliff or it had the option to keep going straight

1076
00:50:23.280 --> 00:50:26.360
through the canyon. But we walked up the canyon a

1077
00:50:26.400 --> 00:50:28.320
little bit more and there was a little bit sandy

1078
00:50:28.400 --> 00:50:30.519
underneath that rock outcropping right there. You know how the

1079
00:50:30.559 --> 00:50:33.239
rocks are down there in Turkey Run, they got like outcropping.

1080
00:50:33.360 --> 00:50:36.679
Sometimes they go over the edge, But there wasn't anything

1081
00:50:36.719 --> 00:50:38.079
in the sandy area right there.

1082
00:50:38.920 --> 00:50:41.400
There was nothing further ahead.

1083
00:50:41.079 --> 00:50:44.000
That that we noticed, you know what I mean, not

1084
00:50:44.039 --> 00:50:46.440
saying that there could have been other evidence there, but

1085
00:50:46.840 --> 00:50:49.960
we didn't notice anything there. We just noticed the two

1086
00:50:50.119 --> 00:50:53.920
looked like two steps, and potentially steps were I don't know,

1087
00:50:54.000 --> 00:50:57.039
this is just this is just a novice inference that potentially,

1088
00:50:57.119 --> 00:50:59.400
you know, the steps were toe oriented. As you know,

1089
00:50:59.400 --> 00:51:01.480
the pressure was put on the toes and that's where

1090
00:51:01.639 --> 00:51:04.639
most of the depression into the prince was was on

1091
00:51:04.719 --> 00:51:07.360
the toe area on both of the tracks, I should say,

1092
00:51:07.400 --> 00:51:09.719
So you know it's the right foot, left foot, and

1093
00:51:09.760 --> 00:51:11.559
then you know if something used that left foot to

1094
00:51:11.639 --> 00:51:13.920
jump up and went.

1095
00:51:13.760 --> 00:51:15.280
Off into the brush or the tree.

1096
00:51:15.320 --> 00:51:17.039
Like I said, a lot of a lot of leaf

1097
00:51:17.039 --> 00:51:19.320
litter down there, so it's kind of hard to see

1098
00:51:19.360 --> 00:51:21.920
prints in some of the terrain, especially the harder terrain.

1099
00:51:22.079 --> 00:51:26.480
If you're coming across play or Rocky Services. So yeah,

1100
00:51:26.559 --> 00:51:30.719
nothing more than that man, And oh I'm glad. I'm

1101
00:51:30.719 --> 00:51:33.119
glad you're keeping me out because it's bringing back other

1102
00:51:33.119 --> 00:51:36.480
stuff from Turkey Run. So we also came across and

1103
00:51:36.679 --> 00:51:38.920
I wound up noticing this with the guys. We were

1104
00:51:39.199 --> 00:51:41.800
on trail I want to say this was Trail nine,

1105
00:51:42.440 --> 00:51:45.840
because Trail nine is what goes up the one hundred

1106
00:51:45.840 --> 00:51:48.800
and seventy six steps and continues on and you could

1107
00:51:48.800 --> 00:51:50.519
take Trail ten, which flanks all.

1108
00:51:50.400 --> 00:51:50.960
The way around it.

1109
00:51:50.960 --> 00:51:54.320
There's a big loop out by I forget what the

1110
00:51:54.360 --> 00:51:57.079
canyon is called, but there's another canyon area over there,

1111
00:51:57.280 --> 00:51:59.840
and it'll circle back around to Sugar Creek, which is

1112
00:51:59.840 --> 00:52:01.280
the water system that runs through there.

1113
00:52:01.280 --> 00:52:03.880
But we wound up taking Trail nine and we came

1114
00:52:03.920 --> 00:52:06.960
across this tree. This one. This one was a smaller tree.

1115
00:52:06.960 --> 00:52:08.400
It had to maybe have been about four or five

1116
00:52:08.400 --> 00:52:10.639
inches a round, so you know about that that big

1117
00:52:10.639 --> 00:52:11.000
a round.

1118
00:52:11.199 --> 00:52:14.880
So and that tree was about about ten or twelve

1119
00:52:14.920 --> 00:52:18.159
foot tall and maybe maybe taller than that.

1120
00:52:18.199 --> 00:52:20.880
I'm trying to remember this to the best of my ability,

1121
00:52:21.039 --> 00:52:25.400
maybe about ten ten plus feet tall. But we noticed

1122
00:52:25.440 --> 00:52:28.639
a ninety degree break in this tree. Hanging over the

1123
00:52:28.679 --> 00:52:31.840
trail right. So it was a ninety degree break about

1124
00:52:31.840 --> 00:52:33.639
eight foot up. And the way that we figured eight

1125
00:52:33.719 --> 00:52:36.440
foot is that I'm five eleven probably six foot with

1126
00:52:36.480 --> 00:52:39.400
my boots on, and so it was I couldn't even

1127
00:52:39.440 --> 00:52:42.039
reach the branch with my hands hanging straight up, and

1128
00:52:42.079 --> 00:52:43.679
so with my hands straight up, that would put me

1129
00:52:43.719 --> 00:52:47.360
at about, I don't know, close to seven feet maybe,

1130
00:52:48.079 --> 00:52:49.039
So it was taller than that.

1131
00:52:49.079 --> 00:52:51.079
Had to been a whole nother foot taller than that. Man.

1132
00:52:51.199 --> 00:52:53.719
So and we all seen that, and we both we

1133
00:52:53.760 --> 00:52:56.039
all three said the same thing, was that, man, you know,

1134
00:52:56.199 --> 00:52:59.960
something had to have been eight foot tall for ten

1135
00:53:00.079 --> 00:53:02.639
sleep to grab that and snap that at a ninety

1136
00:53:02.679 --> 00:53:06.159
degree angle to where it was a clean bend and

1137
00:53:06.400 --> 00:53:07.960
or break, if you want to call it that. You know,

1138
00:53:08.199 --> 00:53:11.440
it wasn't like it wasn't like wind damage or a

1139
00:53:11.440 --> 00:53:13.559
squirrel or a raccoon was hanging on to the tree

1140
00:53:13.599 --> 00:53:15.880
and it just tipped over and cracked. No, man, this

1141
00:53:16.000 --> 00:53:19.360
was a ninety degree break in the tree. And what

1142
00:53:19.400 --> 00:53:23.280
I remember from it is that on the back, only

1143
00:53:23.320 --> 00:53:25.280
on the inside of the cree I'm trying to think

1144
00:53:25.320 --> 00:53:25.519
how to.

1145
00:53:25.559 --> 00:53:28.000
Visualize this only on the inside of the crease.

1146
00:53:28.039 --> 00:53:29.960
So this was the bend the inside of it, right,

1147
00:53:30.559 --> 00:53:32.920
the inside of it was the only part that was fractured.

1148
00:53:32.960 --> 00:53:34.480
The outside of it.

1149
00:53:34.480 --> 00:53:36.639
It just seemed like it was bent like rubber almost

1150
00:53:36.679 --> 00:53:39.079
right or plastic without fracturing.

1151
00:53:39.719 --> 00:53:40.719
So it was weird.

1152
00:53:40.719 --> 00:53:42.719
It wasn't just like somebody just cracked it in half.

1153
00:53:42.760 --> 00:53:44.960
It was it was almost strategically bent. You know, if

1154
00:53:45.000 --> 00:53:47.559
you would have been a you know, a steel rod

1155
00:53:47.639 --> 00:53:49.440
or something like that copp of rod, you know, you

1156
00:53:49.440 --> 00:53:51.679
could bend it, bend it into place. And so that

1157
00:53:51.800 --> 00:53:54.880
was very interesting as well, very anominalists. We didn't notice

1158
00:53:54.880 --> 00:53:56.719
anything else around it. And this was a green tree

1159
00:53:56.760 --> 00:53:58.800
by the way, we put that out there as well.

1160
00:53:58.840 --> 00:54:02.760
This was a green tree, wasn't a dead wood. So nonetheless,

1161
00:54:02.800 --> 00:54:05.440
another very anomalous thing. And that one happened. Uh, that

1162
00:54:05.480 --> 00:54:10.440
one happened after my brethren Aaron found that quote unquote

1163
00:54:10.480 --> 00:54:13.440
blind that was created by that pick that launch street.

1164
00:54:13.920 --> 00:54:17.400
Oh wow, so yeah, pretty okay, gotcha. Uh there, I

1165
00:54:17.519 --> 00:54:20.679
noticed on the map there is a campground at Turkey Run.

1166
00:54:21.760 --> 00:54:26.559
I would man if I was out there. Sometimes I'll

1167
00:54:26.559 --> 00:54:31.199
say this sometimes if you talk to the camp host,

1168
00:54:31.280 --> 00:54:34.480
if there's a camp host at a campground and you

1169
00:54:34.519 --> 00:54:37.800
can get like a conversation going with them. Sometimes those

1170
00:54:37.800 --> 00:54:41.079
guys will have pretty cool stories because they're staying in

1171
00:54:41.079 --> 00:54:44.360
that one area for like multiple months, you know what

1172
00:54:44.400 --> 00:54:44.679
I mean.

1173
00:54:45.400 --> 00:54:47.800
So okay, got me and and let me let me

1174
00:54:47.800 --> 00:54:50.000
ask you about this, Jerema, what do you think about

1175
00:54:50.920 --> 00:54:53.519
what do you think about campgrounds that are like like

1176
00:54:53.639 --> 00:54:56.360
overly crowded. I mean, look at look at the Turkey

1177
00:54:56.440 --> 00:54:59.360
Run campground that's over there. We were driving into the

1178
00:54:59.440 --> 00:55:02.599
into the the park. I mean that that campground, especially

1179
00:55:02.679 --> 00:55:04.880
for fall time, which is you know, I guess still

1180
00:55:04.920 --> 00:55:07.960
in season, especially when the weather's nice, was just loaded

1181
00:55:08.039 --> 00:55:09.960
up and it was a really tight campground compared to

1182
00:55:10.000 --> 00:55:12.719
a Morgan Monroe where it was very sparse, you know

1183
00:55:12.760 --> 00:55:13.159
what I mean?

1184
00:55:13.840 --> 00:55:16.159
Yeah, do you think those eyes are still liable?

1185
00:55:16.880 --> 00:55:20.159
I would still at least give it a try, see

1186
00:55:20.159 --> 00:55:22.760
if there's a guy in there that you can talk to,

1187
00:55:22.840 --> 00:55:27.199
because I mean, I'm guessing there might be some times

1188
00:55:27.320 --> 00:55:32.960
where there's it's not packed all the time and he

1189
00:55:33.360 --> 00:55:36.679
could still have some some stuff to to share. But

1190
00:55:36.920 --> 00:55:42.000
uh yeah, I mean it is interesting talking about packed

1191
00:55:42.039 --> 00:55:45.880
campgrounds verse not packed. You know, I would, just from

1192
00:55:45.920 --> 00:55:50.119
personal experience, out in Iowa. You know, you get a

1193
00:55:50.159 --> 00:55:52.320
campground where there's not a lot of people out there,

1194
00:55:52.400 --> 00:55:53.159
you're the only one.

1195
00:55:53.159 --> 00:55:54.360
You're probably going to have more.

1196
00:55:54.239 --> 00:55:57.960
Activity then if it's a packed one. But I would

1197
00:55:57.960 --> 00:56:01.119
still I'd still see if there's a guy there to

1198
00:56:01.159 --> 00:56:04.719
talk to. Absolutely, and man if it's an older guy too,

1199
00:56:05.000 --> 00:56:07.760
one of those dudes, just like, yeah, I got stories

1200
00:56:07.800 --> 00:56:10.480
and I don't care anymore. You know, that's the best,

1201
00:56:10.679 --> 00:56:13.960
That's the absolute best. But the Chris Man, I love

1202
00:56:14.000 --> 00:56:16.920
how you were getting around in the state of Indiana.

1203
00:56:17.480 --> 00:56:21.400
I remember when you signed up you also had a

1204
00:56:21.480 --> 00:56:24.599
story you wanted to share from Bailey Colorado.

1205
00:56:24.719 --> 00:56:25.239
Is that right?

1206
00:56:25.599 --> 00:56:25.880
Oh?

1207
00:56:26.159 --> 00:56:28.679
Yes, yes, man, I'm glad you're bringing this up because

1208
00:56:29.079 --> 00:56:31.199
some of these things I kind of tuck in the

1209
00:56:31.199 --> 00:56:32.559
back of my mind is I don't have a lot

1210
00:56:32.559 --> 00:56:35.159
of people to talk to about this, right, So I'm

1211
00:56:35.199 --> 00:56:36.280
glad you're bringing this one up.

1212
00:56:36.320 --> 00:56:39.960
So yeah, I'd love to share this last one. And yeah,

1213
00:56:40.000 --> 00:56:41.199
well we'll set the stage. Man.

1214
00:56:41.280 --> 00:56:47.559
So this was twenty and twenty three September twenty twenty three.

1215
00:56:47.679 --> 00:56:50.880
And my brother he plays professional rugby, right, so he was,

1216
00:56:51.280 --> 00:56:54.599
He's traveled around, he's played, he played, he went to

1217
00:56:54.639 --> 00:56:58.239
Indiana University, played rugby for them, was very prestigious in it.

1218
00:56:58.280 --> 00:57:00.480
And he was a late bloomber too. We all played

1219
00:57:00.639 --> 00:57:03.960
high school sports growing up, and he wound up instead

1220
00:57:03.960 --> 00:57:06.039
of going for football, things got screwed up with that.

1221
00:57:06.079 --> 00:57:09.079
He wound up going and signing rugby, or rugby found

1222
00:57:09.119 --> 00:57:10.679
him in the sense, so he started playing that and

1223
00:57:10.679 --> 00:57:13.039
that took him on a lot of worldly travels. He

1224
00:57:13.079 --> 00:57:15.320
played down in He played in the MLR down in

1225
00:57:15.360 --> 00:57:17.639
Houston for the Houston Sabercasts for a little time, and

1226
00:57:17.679 --> 00:57:21.639
then he wound up going to play internationally for the

1227
00:57:21.639 --> 00:57:25.119
Glendale Raptors. And Glendale is like a little I guess

1228
00:57:25.440 --> 00:57:29.039
neighborhood if you want to call it, just south of Denver.

1229
00:57:30.039 --> 00:57:33.119
So he was staying out there and he was on

1230
00:57:33.239 --> 00:57:37.079
what came to be the last season for him out there.

1231
00:57:37.400 --> 00:57:40.239
So he invited me out there before his season wound

1232
00:57:40.320 --> 00:57:42.760
up starting, and you know, I jumped in the car.

1233
00:57:42.880 --> 00:57:45.360
We took that sixteen hour drive. And he's the road

1234
00:57:45.400 --> 00:57:45.880
warrior man.

1235
00:57:45.920 --> 00:57:48.039
He just drove sixteen hours straight all the way through

1236
00:57:48.079 --> 00:57:50.800
and I'll give him credit for that, but we made

1237
00:57:50.840 --> 00:57:53.639
it all the way to Denver and we got into

1238
00:57:53.719 --> 00:57:56.519
town and you know, he my brother knows that that

1239
00:57:56.599 --> 00:57:59.719
I'm pretty into the into the bigfoot stuff or Sasquad stuff,

1240
00:57:59.719 --> 00:58:02.159
you know I mean. So he asked me like, hey,

1241
00:58:02.280 --> 00:58:04.159
you know, what do you want to do out this way.

1242
00:58:04.079 --> 00:58:05.599
While we got time? And I said, I want to

1243
00:58:05.639 --> 00:58:07.079
hit the mountains, man, I want to hit hit.

1244
00:58:07.239 --> 00:58:09.199
I want to go down to Bailey, Colorado to see

1245
00:58:09.199 --> 00:58:13.000
the Sasquatch Outpost. I just I just found it on

1246
00:58:13.039 --> 00:58:14.360
the map, you know what I meanway as I was

1247
00:58:14.360 --> 00:58:16.760
doing my research and looking for plature to hike. So

1248
00:58:18.079 --> 00:58:20.599
all story short, man, We got down to Bailey, Colorado

1249
00:58:21.559 --> 00:58:25.679
and had had a small breakfast and came in to

1250
00:58:25.800 --> 00:58:29.599
the Sasquatch Outpost. And I wish I could remember the

1251
00:58:29.679 --> 00:58:31.320
lady's name that was in there, man, because she was

1252
00:58:31.360 --> 00:58:33.679
such a such a sweet lady. And if if anybody's

1253
00:58:33.679 --> 00:58:36.280
ever been to the Sasquatch Outpost down in Bailey, you

1254
00:58:36.360 --> 00:58:39.519
probably know the lady that's working the desk that's in there.

1255
00:58:39.760 --> 00:58:42.559
Real sweet lady and very knowledgeable as well. But we

1256
00:58:42.599 --> 00:58:46.440
got in in there, checked around, and very neat museum.

1257
00:58:46.239 --> 00:58:47.800
I want to give a shout out to Jim out

1258
00:58:47.800 --> 00:58:51.320
there for putting that together. And he's a very knowledgeable

1259
00:58:51.320 --> 00:58:53.480
guy as well. I wound up running into him after

1260
00:58:53.679 --> 00:58:56.480
our experience, so that was pretty cool to talk with

1261
00:58:56.559 --> 00:58:59.360
him and you know, get some more information out of

1262
00:58:59.440 --> 00:59:01.519
him as well. But we stopped in the outpost and

1263
00:59:01.679 --> 00:59:03.840
what I like about the outpost man is that they

1264
00:59:03.880 --> 00:59:06.079
have a map in there. And I'd recommend for you know,

1265
00:59:06.159 --> 00:59:09.760
even I know that there's not any outposts in Indiana

1266
00:59:09.880 --> 00:59:12.199
or anything like that, but you know, maybe for some

1267
00:59:12.280 --> 00:59:15.199
of the researchers, if you're a little more tech savvy

1268
00:59:15.360 --> 00:59:18.239
or you know, know how to to put together maps

1269
00:59:18.239 --> 00:59:20.960
of sidings and stuff like that, put together a localized map.

1270
00:59:21.039 --> 00:59:24.440
You know, we get like a topographical map of the

1271
00:59:24.519 --> 00:59:29.039
area of Brown County or Morgan mon Roe State Forest

1272
00:59:29.239 --> 00:59:31.199
or who's your national you know what I mean, get

1273
00:59:31.199 --> 00:59:34.360
a map with sidings in there, and kind of what

1274
00:59:34.400 --> 00:59:36.840
you're doing, Jeremiah, I mean, I'm just piggybacking off of

1275
00:59:36.840 --> 00:59:38.960
you pretty much is pinpointing those sidings so that we

1276
00:59:39.039 --> 00:59:41.559
have some real time maps.

1277
00:59:41.599 --> 00:59:41.760
You know.

1278
00:59:41.840 --> 00:59:43.360
I find that that a lot of times we do

1279
00:59:43.440 --> 00:59:46.239
research on sidings and they could be they could be

1280
00:59:46.400 --> 00:59:48.119
years old, you know what I mean, And who's to

1281
00:59:48.159 --> 00:59:50.719
say that, you know, stuff is still going on in

1282
00:59:50.760 --> 00:59:54.079
these places. But I would like to see people put

1283
00:59:54.079 --> 00:59:57.000
together a map where we could have these these these

1284
00:59:57.000 --> 01:00:03.199
more recent encounters documented for I guess the average person passing.

1285
01:00:02.920 --> 01:00:03.559
Through to check out.

1286
01:00:03.639 --> 01:00:05.760
But that's what they did real nice at the outpost.

1287
01:00:06.320 --> 01:00:08.400
They had a map put together of recent sightings and

1288
01:00:08.440 --> 01:00:12.400
stuff like that, and some of them were within the

1289
01:00:12.400 --> 01:00:14.400
past couple of months, you know what I mean. So

1290
01:00:14.480 --> 01:00:17.159
I started talking to this lady, started talking to the

1291
01:00:17.239 --> 01:00:19.159
lady at the desk, and you know, she was telling me.

1292
01:00:19.320 --> 01:00:22.599
I was asking questions about, you know, encounters and you know,

1293
01:00:22.679 --> 01:00:24.840
what people experience down here in Bailey, and she was

1294
01:00:24.880 --> 01:00:28.679
telling me that pretty much everybody has their own encounter

1295
01:00:28.920 --> 01:00:33.599
or secondary encounter or story from people in that area

1296
01:00:33.800 --> 01:00:36.519
or even just all across the Rocky Mountain reason down there.

1297
01:00:36.760 --> 01:00:38.840
But she was telling me about her own personal one

1298
01:00:38.880 --> 01:00:42.960
and saying that there was that there was I guess

1299
01:00:43.199 --> 01:00:47.480
a time where frequently they see red eyes, red eyeshine

1300
01:00:47.920 --> 01:00:50.480
if you want to call it that, and multiple sets.

1301
01:00:50.519 --> 01:00:53.000
Some will be higher than others, others would be lower. Right,

1302
01:00:53.639 --> 01:00:56.079
They would have pine cones being thrown as well at

1303
01:00:56.119 --> 01:00:58.400
their dogs. Their dogs would be barking into the woods

1304
01:00:58.440 --> 01:01:01.800
and they know it's not bears, as they are very

1305
01:01:01.840 --> 01:01:05.519
familiar with bear activity and stuff like that. So very compelling,

1306
01:01:05.719 --> 01:01:09.679
excuse me, very compelling to hear that from from individuals

1307
01:01:09.679 --> 01:01:12.039
out there. And people always talk about she was one

1308
01:01:12.079 --> 01:01:14.559
of the ones that say he's had some people, some

1309
01:01:14.599 --> 01:01:17.880
family members of her talk about you know, like they

1310
01:01:17.880 --> 01:01:19.920
call it the mind speaker or something like.

1311
01:01:19.880 --> 01:01:22.840
That, you know, some type of telekinesis or you.

1312
01:01:22.800 --> 01:01:26.159
Know, whatever you want to associate with that. Yeah, so

1313
01:01:26.320 --> 01:01:29.760
very interesting to hear that from her. But we got

1314
01:01:29.800 --> 01:01:31.880
in the conversation and I want to ask her, you know,

1315
01:01:32.000 --> 01:01:36.960
you know, any recent encounters or any trails with recent

1316
01:01:37.159 --> 01:01:39.400
recent encounters close to here so that we could get

1317
01:01:39.400 --> 01:01:40.000
a day hiking.

1318
01:01:40.559 --> 01:01:45.719
And she told us about this this this this lady

1319
01:01:45.760 --> 01:01:46.199
and her son.

1320
01:01:46.239 --> 01:01:49.239
So lady was a naturalist, and this happened two or

1321
01:01:49.239 --> 01:01:52.039
three weeks prior to us coming into town, which was

1322
01:01:52.159 --> 01:01:54.920
right right at the end of verry season. We got

1323
01:01:54.960 --> 01:01:57.039
in there probably a week or two after very season

1324
01:01:57.119 --> 01:01:59.280
was over. We still found some bear berries and stuff

1325
01:01:59.280 --> 01:02:01.199
like that on the trail, but as far as like

1326
01:02:01.280 --> 01:02:05.079
salmon berry's and wild black caps and blackberries and stuff

1327
01:02:05.119 --> 01:02:08.400
like that, they were pretty much gone. And she was

1328
01:02:08.440 --> 01:02:12.360
out there with the sun on the Ben Tyler Trails.

1329
01:02:12.360 --> 01:02:15.320
So if anybody is familiar with Bailey, Colorado, this is

1330
01:02:15.480 --> 01:02:17.079
about a mile or two up the road in a

1331
01:02:17.119 --> 01:02:22.360
small town called Shawnee. Shawnee, Colorado and Shawnny, Colorado is

1332
01:02:22.400 --> 01:02:24.719
home to the Ben Tyler Trail, and this is just

1333
01:02:24.719 --> 01:02:25.239
one of those.

1334
01:02:25.400 --> 01:02:26.320
Like I said, Jeremiah, you.

1335
01:02:26.320 --> 01:02:28.719
Pull off the side of the highway and high Catcher

1336
01:02:28.800 --> 01:02:31.360
Leisure and you could you could hike like fifteen to

1337
01:02:31.440 --> 01:02:34.760
twenty miles over the mountain top to a whole nother

1338
01:02:35.599 --> 01:02:39.119
city or town. I guess, man, it's very desolate, very

1339
01:02:39.119 --> 01:02:42.480
beautiful location, but the ben Tyler Trail, And so we

1340
01:02:42.559 --> 01:02:44.800
wound up taking the legs word. She was telling us

1341
01:02:44.840 --> 01:02:47.239
that there was a there was a woman who was

1342
01:02:47.239 --> 01:02:49.159
a naturalist, right and she was out there with her

1343
01:02:49.199 --> 01:02:50.440
with her young son. He had to have been about

1344
01:02:50.440 --> 01:02:54.639
eight or nine. I've seen this on Jim's podcast. It's

1345
01:02:54.679 --> 01:02:58.719
called like Untold Stories or Stories of the something. I

1346
01:02:59.079 --> 01:03:01.719
forget the exact name, the Flyer Downstairs. I checked it

1347
01:03:01.719 --> 01:03:03.480
out a couple of times and actually seen the episode

1348
01:03:03.480 --> 01:03:05.719
where this lady came on. But she was talking about

1349
01:03:05.800 --> 01:03:07.440
two or three weeks prior to me and my brother

1350
01:03:07.480 --> 01:03:12.000
getting down there, they hiked about two miles up this

1351
01:03:12.000 --> 01:03:14.199
this Ben Tyler Trail, and this is once again a

1352
01:03:14.239 --> 01:03:16.320
tough trail, man. This is rugged and there's a lot

1353
01:03:16.320 --> 01:03:19.079
of switchbacks throughout this trail and eventually you'll get to

1354
01:03:19.119 --> 01:03:22.679
this opening where it opens up, and that's so beautiful.

1355
01:03:23.159 --> 01:03:25.800
The landscape around you was all out, I guess you

1356
01:03:25.800 --> 01:03:26.320
would call them.

1357
01:03:27.199 --> 01:03:28.800
There's a lot of pine trees out there, a lot

1358
01:03:28.800 --> 01:03:31.039
of a lot of coniferous trees out there, right, so

1359
01:03:31.199 --> 01:03:33.920
pines and spruce and a lot of aspen trees out there.

1360
01:03:34.159 --> 01:03:37.039
Very beautiful. So we came through that opening. We were

1361
01:03:37.039 --> 01:03:39.440
looking looking around and searching the creeks and stuff like that.

1362
01:03:39.519 --> 01:03:42.960
My brother was into into doing uh cold plunges, ice

1363
01:03:43.000 --> 01:03:45.119
baths and stuff like that, part part of his recovery.

1364
01:03:45.159 --> 01:03:47.800
So you know, we were stripped down and jump into

1365
01:03:47.880 --> 01:03:50.679
these uh these mountainous creeks coming down and just really

1366
01:03:50.760 --> 01:03:54.360
just invigorates so very beautiful. So we got about two

1367
01:03:54.400 --> 01:03:57.280
miles up the trail to where this lady was talking

1368
01:03:57.320 --> 01:03:58.840
about she set up camp with the sun and we

1369
01:03:58.880 --> 01:03:59.760
found the camp site.

1370
01:03:59.760 --> 01:04:01.880
Man, So that was very interesting.

1371
01:04:02.079 --> 01:04:04.480
Right off the side of the trail and there's like

1372
01:04:04.480 --> 01:04:08.280
a little stream that comes through there. It's a canoped area,

1373
01:04:08.519 --> 01:04:11.480
kind of a mossy area as well, and she was

1374
01:04:11.519 --> 01:04:13.360
talking about her and her son was over there, and

1375
01:04:13.360 --> 01:04:16.599
they was hearing you know. I guess the typical would

1376
01:04:16.679 --> 01:04:18.840
not throughout the day and stuff like that, and she

1377
01:04:19.000 --> 01:04:21.400
wound up laying down for sleep with the sun. They

1378
01:04:21.400 --> 01:04:24.679
didn't have no activities throughout the rest of the day,

1379
01:04:24.719 --> 01:04:27.400
but they lay down for sleep and they started to

1380
01:04:27.480 --> 01:04:29.320
hear more wood knocks, and it sounded like that they

1381
01:04:29.320 --> 01:04:31.960
were closer and coming from opposite sides of each other.

1382
01:04:32.480 --> 01:04:34.360
And I guess during the middle of the night they

1383
01:04:34.400 --> 01:04:36.719
heard something running to camp. They did.

1384
01:04:36.840 --> 01:04:40.119
The lady thought she was dreaming, you know, so she

1385
01:04:40.280 --> 01:04:43.880
kind of just rusted off, but the sun wind up

1386
01:04:43.920 --> 01:04:46.320
having some dreams about it, and I think she she

1387
01:04:46.360 --> 01:04:49.760
wound up having some some type of otherworldly dreams.

1388
01:04:49.800 --> 01:04:50.000
Man.

1389
01:04:50.079 --> 01:04:52.039
And they wound up waking up in the in the morningtime,

1390
01:04:52.079 --> 01:04:53.559
and they got out the.

1391
01:04:53.559 --> 01:04:54.280
Ten to check it out.

1392
01:04:54.320 --> 01:04:56.159
She was asking her son if they heard anything in

1393
01:04:56.239 --> 01:04:58.599
this that and the other and her son looked around

1394
01:04:58.639 --> 01:05:01.119
the camp and they wound up finding a a glass,

1395
01:05:01.119 --> 01:05:02.679
a footprint man and they took.

1396
01:05:02.519 --> 01:05:03.119
A picture of that.

1397
01:05:04.480 --> 01:05:06.760
You know, I guess for my eyes because my eyes

1398
01:05:06.760 --> 01:05:08.599
are a little bit more novice than others. We've been

1399
01:05:08.599 --> 01:05:10.679
doing this for some time. I wasn't really able to

1400
01:05:10.679 --> 01:05:13.280
see the footprint so well, but you could definitely see

1401
01:05:13.280 --> 01:05:17.880
where there was some toll prints in the mossy landscape

1402
01:05:18.159 --> 01:05:20.519
close to the creek. We didn't see anything when we

1403
01:05:20.599 --> 01:05:22.039
when we tried it in there to check it out.

1404
01:05:22.039 --> 01:05:24.519
But I just found it real interesting how this is

1405
01:05:24.519 --> 01:05:26.000
going to lead up to what me and my brother

1406
01:05:26.039 --> 01:05:29.920
wound up experiencing up there. So we found that campsite

1407
01:05:30.239 --> 01:05:33.440
and it was cool to check it out and and correlate.

1408
01:05:33.039 --> 01:05:33.920
This lady story.

1409
01:05:34.760 --> 01:05:36.519
And so we started trotting a little bit more off

1410
01:05:36.519 --> 01:05:39.079
the trail and probably about another quarter mile up the

1411
01:05:39.079 --> 01:05:43.480
trail before we came into this aspen tree area we were.

1412
01:05:43.559 --> 01:05:45.679
We were just on the outskirts of it, and we

1413
01:05:45.760 --> 01:05:49.920
came across this this little damp area on the trail

1414
01:05:50.239 --> 01:05:53.360
and we all of a sudden, we just picked up

1415
01:05:53.400 --> 01:05:54.880
this scent. My brother was in front of me on

1416
01:05:54.920 --> 01:05:57.079
the trail. We picked up this scent which was like

1417
01:05:57.119 --> 01:05:59.559
this boggy scent. It's kind of like a like a

1418
01:05:59.639 --> 01:06:01.719
swamp sent you know. And I smelled this as a

1419
01:06:01.760 --> 01:06:05.239
recent especially yesterday, trotting, you know, long the Calumet River

1420
01:06:05.599 --> 01:06:08.000
and just smelling the swampiness of it, you know, all

1421
01:06:08.039 --> 01:06:09.000
the it was.

1422
01:06:09.039 --> 01:06:10.599
It was weird. It's a scent that I that I

1423
01:06:10.719 --> 01:06:12.480
wasn't all too familiar with at the time.

1424
01:06:13.119 --> 01:06:16.480
But we smelled this swampy scent man, and the wind

1425
01:06:16.559 --> 01:06:19.199
was blowing, so obviously it could have been blown into

1426
01:06:19.360 --> 01:06:22.360
us from somewhere or it was permeating from somewhere around us.

1427
01:06:22.400 --> 01:06:25.280
But immediately I looked down and I thought it was

1428
01:06:25.360 --> 01:06:28.000
the damp area that I was that we were trotting on,

1429
01:06:28.159 --> 01:06:30.039
that I was standing on top of. So I got

1430
01:06:30.079 --> 01:06:32.000
down to the ground and I started smelling the ground,

1431
01:06:32.000 --> 01:06:33.840
you know what I mean, and uh and checking it out,

1432
01:06:33.880 --> 01:06:34.760
trying to pick up a scent.

1433
01:06:35.039 --> 01:06:37.280
And that didn't smell nothing like it. It just smelt

1434
01:06:37.280 --> 01:06:39.039
like wet dirt, you know, wet soil, you know.

1435
01:06:39.039 --> 01:06:41.159
What I mean, which just which has an earthy scent

1436
01:06:41.199 --> 01:06:44.000
to it, not a swampy or a boggy scent. And

1437
01:06:44.079 --> 01:06:46.039
what was cool is me and my brother both picked

1438
01:06:46.119 --> 01:06:48.079
up on this scent man, and he was he had

1439
01:06:48.079 --> 01:06:50.440
have been about ten short in front of me, and

1440
01:06:50.559 --> 01:06:53.559
both of us stopped in our tracks because the scent

1441
01:06:53.679 --> 01:06:56.320
was punging enough to you know, to to stop us,

1442
01:06:56.320 --> 01:06:57.119
I guess you'd say.

1443
01:06:57.360 --> 01:06:59.920
But we we picked it up and we stopped, and

1444
01:07:00.000 --> 01:07:02.320
we were quiet the whole time, listening and looking around,

1445
01:07:02.559 --> 01:07:07.079
and we didn't we didn't hear anything right away, and

1446
01:07:07.119 --> 01:07:09.800
we didn't notice anything. But we continued trotting up the

1447
01:07:09.800 --> 01:07:11.119
trail and the scent was gone.

1448
01:07:11.159 --> 01:07:13.480
And when we come back through this particular spot, like

1449
01:07:13.480 --> 01:07:14.039
we we.

1450
01:07:14.000 --> 01:07:15.119
Didn't just keep on goal.

1451
01:07:15.199 --> 01:07:17.119
We did a little research, I guess you'd say, in

1452
01:07:17.119 --> 01:07:20.039
this particular location. So we went back and forth and

1453
01:07:20.480 --> 01:07:22.920
we would smell it just in this particular area, man,

1454
01:07:23.079 --> 01:07:24.920
And it wasn't behind us, it wasn't in front of us.

1455
01:07:24.960 --> 01:07:25.760
It was right here.

1456
01:07:26.480 --> 01:07:30.079
And so after after some time spent trying to debunk it,

1457
01:07:31.199 --> 01:07:34.039
you know, we couldn't conclude anything. So we continued to trout,

1458
01:07:34.119 --> 01:07:36.800
and that's when we heard that typical wood knock sound

1459
01:07:36.840 --> 01:07:39.480
man from uh from it was it had to have

1460
01:07:39.480 --> 01:07:42.519
been about fifty two one hundred yards out about my

1461
01:07:42.559 --> 01:07:45.079
seven o'clock position. My brother was behind me at this time,

1462
01:07:45.840 --> 01:07:47.880
as I had went ahead of him, so he was

1463
01:07:47.880 --> 01:07:49.800
behind me atbout six o'clock and this was at about

1464
01:07:49.800 --> 01:07:51.760
my seven or eight o'clock position, right, yeah, seven or

1465
01:07:51.800 --> 01:07:55.000
eight o'clock, and we heard this plastic wood knock. It

1466
01:07:55.000 --> 01:07:57.800
was just one, but it was it was pretty It

1467
01:07:57.840 --> 01:07:59.880
had been pretty close, man, because it was pretty pretty

1468
01:07:59.880 --> 01:08:02.320
good sound knock. But it was that that top you

1469
01:08:02.320 --> 01:08:04.559
know that popping is that popping would knock. Man.

1470
01:08:05.159 --> 01:08:07.559
And we heard that and my brother looked at me.

1471
01:08:07.679 --> 01:08:09.360
I looked back and my brother looked at me, and

1472
01:08:09.400 --> 01:08:12.079
I was like, you're that man. He's he's like, oh yeah,

1473
01:08:12.079 --> 01:08:14.079
I heard that, man, no doubt about it.

1474
01:08:14.159 --> 01:08:17.800
And uh we continued on that and we wound up

1475
01:08:18.319 --> 01:08:21.880
not experiencing anything else. I mean, we got up to

1476
01:08:21.880 --> 01:08:23.760
to the to the the trail head where you can

1477
01:08:23.800 --> 01:08:26.119
continue on and go over the top of the mountain.

1478
01:08:26.199 --> 01:08:28.520
Like I said, it's really steeve, man, you continue going

1479
01:08:28.560 --> 01:08:31.239
on top over the mountain or you got you got

1480
01:08:31.239 --> 01:08:32.680
to turn back. And we wanted to turn it back

1481
01:08:32.720 --> 01:08:34.680
because we were losing daylight and we didn't have any

1482
01:08:34.840 --> 01:08:38.000
headlines or anything. So we just continued to try back

1483
01:08:38.039 --> 01:08:41.279
and uh, you know, it was it was interesting when

1484
01:08:41.319 --> 01:08:43.640
we came back through that spot that same exact spot

1485
01:08:43.640 --> 01:08:45.880
because we had we had landmarked it. We came back

1486
01:08:45.920 --> 01:08:47.680
through that spot down the trail and we didn't notice

1487
01:08:47.680 --> 01:08:49.479
any scent there. Man, and I got down on the

1488
01:08:49.479 --> 01:08:51.920
ground again smelt that smelt the ground went through the

1489
01:08:51.960 --> 01:08:56.720
same procedures and this was right in the very near

1490
01:08:56.800 --> 01:09:00.079
vicinity of that lady's encounter at that that uh, that

1491
01:09:00.199 --> 01:09:03.760
bush camp site, right, So very very interesting man, And

1492
01:09:04.680 --> 01:09:06.800
I mean you could say that we saw other stuff that,

1493
01:09:07.079 --> 01:09:09.479
you know, like like rock stacking and stuff like that,

1494
01:09:09.560 --> 01:09:11.439
but I mean people tried this trail. It's not like

1495
01:09:11.479 --> 01:09:13.680
people don't try it, but it's very it's kind of

1496
01:09:13.720 --> 01:09:17.319
like an advanced trail, you know, intermediate slash advanced trail.

1497
01:09:17.399 --> 01:09:20.239
So you're not going to get you know, I don't

1498
01:09:20.239 --> 01:09:22.199
know if maybe it's kind of biased to me to say,

1499
01:09:22.279 --> 01:09:24.079
but you're not going to get your average person coming up.

1500
01:09:24.039 --> 01:09:26.439
In there to stack stack up rocks and stuff like that, right.

1501
01:09:27.399 --> 01:09:30.199
Or maybe they could, but it was it was interesting

1502
01:09:30.239 --> 01:09:32.359
seeing some some things like that. We didn't notice any

1503
01:09:32.399 --> 01:09:34.840
tree brakes and stuff, as this was my first through

1504
01:09:35.399 --> 01:09:39.640
encounter if you will, or experience, but it was just

1505
01:09:39.680 --> 01:09:42.119
cool to document that. So I guess that answer is

1506
01:09:42.159 --> 01:09:44.119
the original question that you asked me at the beginning

1507
01:09:44.119 --> 01:09:44.800
of this interview.

1508
01:09:44.840 --> 01:09:46.039
What really got me into this?

1509
01:09:46.159 --> 01:09:51.319
And besides me, you know, being just infatuated with something

1510
01:09:51.560 --> 01:09:56.239
out there of unknown origin, that's what really solidified it

1511
01:09:56.279 --> 01:09:59.039
for me. And it's like I caught the bug man,

1512
01:09:59.279 --> 01:10:01.640
you know what I mean. I can't get this stuff

1513
01:10:01.680 --> 01:10:03.199
out of my head. And I wish I had more

1514
01:10:03.199 --> 01:10:05.439
people to research and talk with, and I wish I

1515
01:10:05.479 --> 01:10:07.119
had more time to go out and research, you know

1516
01:10:07.159 --> 01:10:09.079
what I mean. So I try to dedicate every weekend

1517
01:10:09.119 --> 01:10:10.359
to getting out to a new spot.

1518
01:10:12.319 --> 01:10:15.680
What what a fascinating journey you have gone on, because

1519
01:10:15.720 --> 01:10:17.479
that really brings it, you know, full circle.

1520
01:10:17.520 --> 01:10:19.560
You went back to your first time there.

1521
01:10:19.600 --> 01:10:23.520
But have you ever looked into I want to say,

1522
01:10:23.520 --> 01:10:27.159
there's a newer big Foot conference that takes place in Indiana.

1523
01:10:27.239 --> 01:10:31.079
Now you I'm not too sure of it.

1524
01:10:31.880 --> 01:10:33.600
Yeah, is it.

1525
01:10:33.560 --> 01:10:38.880
Hopted by by the guy what's his name something Nail? Yeah?

1526
01:10:38.920 --> 01:10:39.279
I think so.

1527
01:10:39.479 --> 01:10:41.760
Yeah, Yeah, I think he's involved with it. But that

1528
01:10:41.800 --> 01:10:45.800
would be a great way for you to try to

1529
01:10:46.119 --> 01:10:49.880
get some connections with other researchers in the area. If

1530
01:10:50.079 --> 01:10:52.880
if that's what you were trying to look into, but

1531
01:10:53.199 --> 01:10:57.399
it seems like you have some great people already that

1532
01:10:57.439 --> 01:11:00.079
are are willing to go out with you and and

1533
01:11:00.199 --> 01:11:04.960
look as well. But Chris, this has been a fascinating conversation.

1534
01:11:05.079 --> 01:11:08.439
I mean, it's just it is wild how many different

1535
01:11:08.439 --> 01:11:10.239
things are starting to come out of Indiana.

1536
01:11:11.079 --> 01:11:12.279
It's it's very cool.

1537
01:11:12.880 --> 01:11:15.119
And as you said, I mean we didn't even really

1538
01:11:15.119 --> 01:11:17.760
talk about the who's your national force and it's Southern

1539
01:11:17.800 --> 01:11:20.760
Indiana has got stuff going on too, But I think

1540
01:11:21.319 --> 01:11:26.800
where you're focusing that Morgan Monroe, and like, man, that's

1541
01:11:26.800 --> 01:11:29.520
that's pretty cool. Keep definitely keep me in the loop

1542
01:11:29.640 --> 01:11:31.960
with what's going on there. But I just want to

1543
01:11:32.000 --> 01:11:34.359
say thank you so much for coming on Chris, for

1544
01:11:34.399 --> 01:11:40.319
sharing your accounts so far, and it'll be it'll be

1545
01:11:40.520 --> 01:11:42.560
fun to see where this takes you in the future.

1546
01:11:42.720 --> 01:11:45.880
And I believe you had you had given me your

1547
01:11:45.920 --> 01:11:47.920
email as well. If people want to reach out to you,

1548
01:11:48.840 --> 01:11:51.479
we can put that in the description of the episodes,

1549
01:11:51.520 --> 01:11:54.720
so people can can drop you a line if I guess,

1550
01:11:54.760 --> 01:11:56.520
if they have any questions or maybe if they have

1551
01:11:56.560 --> 01:11:59.119
stuff to report about that area of Indiana.

1552
01:11:59.680 --> 01:12:03.760
So absolutely, I'd love to be in contact with with

1553
01:12:03.840 --> 01:12:06.880
anybody that's Uh, you know, partaking and research around the way.

1554
01:12:06.920 --> 01:12:10.840
I'd love to share experiences and share methods, you know,

1555
01:12:10.880 --> 01:12:12.840
so that we can tiding up our skills. You know,

1556
01:12:12.840 --> 01:12:15.079
as they say, iron sharpens iron man. So you know,

1557
01:12:15.119 --> 01:12:17.279
the more that we can help each other out, you know,

1558
01:12:17.359 --> 01:12:19.760
instead of being caught up in this, you know, disproving

1559
01:12:19.800 --> 01:12:21.920
this person or bashing that person.

1560
01:12:21.960 --> 01:12:24.560
You know, let's let's get some camaraderie going on.

1561
01:12:24.680 --> 01:12:26.560
Chris, thank you so much for coming on man.

1562
01:12:27.960 --> 01:12:30.000
Absolutely, and lastly, before I go, I got to give

1563
01:12:30.000 --> 01:12:31.920
a shout out to the Ancient Mystics.

1564
01:12:31.920 --> 01:12:32.119
Man.

1565
01:12:32.239 --> 01:12:35.479
That's my crew out here, the Ancient Mystics, Ancient Mystics,

1566
01:12:35.520 --> 01:12:38.640
all natural products. The Elder Lord cash is d my

1567
01:12:38.680 --> 01:12:42.319
brethren Woodstone, the Messenger, my Brethren Chef Aaron l the

1568
01:12:42.359 --> 01:12:47.079
Rebel Chef Carl the Spoon Weatherspoon, and uh and our

1569
01:12:47.119 --> 01:12:51.079
other elder sister Nancy Knightley Bones. So we give thanks,

1570
01:12:51.119 --> 01:12:54.119
and we're going to continue trotting out there and doing

1571
01:12:54.159 --> 01:12:57.039
all the rights work for humanity and for many people's

1572
01:12:57.399 --> 01:12:58.800
as long as we're on this planet.

1573
01:12:58.800 --> 01:13:00.960
My brother fantastic.

1574
01:13:02.880 --> 01:13:05.199
Before we wrap this episode, I want to say something

1575
01:13:05.239 --> 01:13:08.439
directly to a very specific group of listeners. If you're

1576
01:13:08.479 --> 01:13:12.239
in the military, any branch or forces, and if you've

1577
01:13:12.239 --> 01:13:15.119
seen something that no one can explain, or if you're

1578
01:13:15.119 --> 01:13:18.399
a National park ranger or forestry worker who's been told

1579
01:13:18.399 --> 01:13:21.399
to stay quiet, or if you're a pilot who's seen

1580
01:13:21.479 --> 01:13:24.720
something strange down on the ground, or if you're with

1581
01:13:24.760 --> 01:13:28.439
the FBI a federal agency, or working intelligence and you've

1582
01:13:28.439 --> 01:13:31.560
stumbled upon something you're not allowed to talk about. And

1583
01:13:31.640 --> 01:13:35.000
if you're a firefighter, paramedic, or search and rescue responder

1584
01:13:35.079 --> 01:13:38.319
who's heard screams or found tracks that didn't make sense.

1585
01:13:38.840 --> 01:13:42.680
If you're in the logging industry on a remote oil field,

1586
01:13:42.840 --> 01:13:45.880
or a trucker with government contracts and you've had something

1587
01:13:45.960 --> 01:13:49.319
happen that you've never told a soul. And if you're

1588
01:13:49.359 --> 01:13:53.239
a biologist, a wildlife specialist, or a field researcher under

1589
01:13:53.279 --> 01:13:56.640
contract who has found evidence you're not allowed to report.

1590
01:13:57.199 --> 01:13:59.600
If you're a pastor, a missionary, or someone on a

1591
01:13:59.600 --> 01:14:03.159
spiritual retreat and you saw something that shook your faith,

1592
01:14:03.880 --> 01:14:06.960
or if you work in the shadows, CIA, NSA, or

1593
01:14:07.000 --> 01:14:10.359
anything with clearance and you've seen what the public hasn't,

1594
01:14:11.720 --> 01:14:15.199
then I want to talk to you. Even if it's anonymous.

1595
01:14:16.960 --> 01:14:20.479
You can reach me at Bigfoot Society at gmail dot com.

1596
01:14:20.920 --> 01:14:23.359
The world needs to hear what you've been forced to

1597
01:14:23.399 --> 01:14:29.319
carry alone, and you're not alone. You've got the story,

1598
01:14:29.720 --> 01:14:33.560
We've got the mic. See you in the woods. Thank

1599
01:14:33.600 --> 01:14:36.439
you for listening to this episode of the Bigot Society Podcast.

1600
01:14:36.520 --> 01:14:38.960
Every encounter we share reminds us that the world is

1601
01:14:38.960 --> 01:14:42.119
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1602
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1621
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