I Know What I Saw at Mt. Rainier!

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Welcome to the Bigfoot Society. In
this episode, I talked to Alfred,

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who shares how we saw Bigfoot while
hiking around Mount Rainier in nineteen eighty seven.

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If you've experienced something similar to what
Alfred did, or have more information

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regarding Bigfoot or other cryptids in the
same area, please reach out immediately to

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me after this episode. Remember,
your encounter could be the key to unlocking

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this mystery once and for all,
so please don't hesitate to contact me at

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Bigfoot Society at gmail dot com.
All right, Bigfoot Society, You've got

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the privilege of talking to Alfred tonight. He's a listener that reached out with

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some interesting things that he has encountered
in his travels. Alfred, I hope

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you're doing well tonight, sir.
I'm going to put it right over to

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you. Yes, good evening,
Jeremiah. Thank you for having me on

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and inviting me to share my incident
that I had. Again, my name

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is Alfred. That's just a little
bit of my background. I'm an ikea

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person had been doing it for forty
years now and I turnedly reside in Connecticut.

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So my stories was back in nineteen
eighty seven. My wife and I

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had visited some friends up in Seattle, Washington, and what happened was they

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do on our stay, some of
us decided to go hiking up at Mount

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Rainier, and I was really excited
about it because I love the outdoors.

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I like camping. I've been fishing
and doing all that sot of stuff since

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I was a teenager. Back in
the late nineteen seventies. My friends and

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I would go hiking up New York
at the Catskill Regions most of the time.

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But anyway, this particular story,
we had going out to do a

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hiking tour in Mount Rainier and we
ended up at this place. I was

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a parking lot. We parked,
and as I mentioned in my story,

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there wasn't too many cars around.
The must have been made five other cars

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in the area, and we started
walking through one of the trails that one

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of our friends was familiar with.
There were six of us, my wife,

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myself, and two other couples,
and about a little way into the

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hike, we came upon a rest
area and there were some bathrooms, so

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everybody decided to go to the bathrooms, and I decided to keep walking down

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the trail. I must. They
walked the field, but felt maybe just

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a few blocks. I mentioned there
was about an eighth of a mile,

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and the reason I mentioned that was
because I'm an avid runner and I can

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judge distance pretty well, I think. But anyway, as I was walking

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down this trail, I heard some
noises in the woods, like trampling,

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and just I heard some leaves rattling, and I decided to go and investigate.

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And at first I thought it might
be maybe some other hikers. I

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didn't think it was animals or anything
like that at the moment. So anyway,

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I decided to go into the woods
and I began to smell. I

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mentioned my story that I smelled the
stench that was really bad. It was

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like a body oder and it got
stronger as I was getting into the woods.

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And it wasn't skunk. Because I'm
familiar with the outdoors animals, and

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I know what a skunk smells like. This did not smell like a skunk.

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I mentioned that I used to live
in New York City and it reminded

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me of a homeless person basically.
But anyway, I think that about fifty

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feet into the I went off to
trial. About fifty feet into it,

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I saw a grouping of trees that
must have been maybe about six trees that

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were pretty large pine trees, and
they were all grouped together. And then

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I saw something that was moving and
I couldn't figure out what it was.

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At first, I thought maybe there
was some huge squirrels or maybe some type

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of an animal, because it was
two of them and they were pretty far

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apart. One was on top and
one was at the bottom. And I

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kept getting closer because I was trying
to figure out what type of animal it

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was. And as I got closer, I saw this huge thing just I

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guess it went to its right,
so it would have been my left appiered

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and I saw this huge thing sticking
out and I didn't know what it was.

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At first I thought it was a
bear, but I said, no,

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it can't be a bear. It
was too big to be a bear.

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Okay, So then my mind was
running one hundred miles an hour because

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I'm trying to figure out what the
hell is this and I knew it wasn't

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a person because it was huge.
Again. I know distance. When I

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was in high school, I used
to high jump. I'm five ten and

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I was able to high jump six
feet, so this thing must have been

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eight feet or tall, okay,
And again when it leaned over, then

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I realized that the two things that
I saw moving was its right arm was

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holding onto the tree, and the
bottom part was part of its leg,

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almost like the knee part. And
it looked at me and we locked eyes,

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and I think that that moment lasted
I would say maybe thirty seconds,

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which is not that long. But
it felt like an eternity because I saw

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its face. It had almost human
facial features, and it had red eyes.

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But the eyes were not bright like
you see on some videos people at

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Nither'll show these eyes. They almost
looked like flashlights. No, this thing

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had almost like bloodshot eyes like you
would see and I, let's say a

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drunk person. And it looked at
me, and I looked at it,

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and I was panicking because realizing that
this thing was huge, I said,

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oh my god, this thing.
It's not a person. It's not somebody

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in a custom, because I would
have been able to hell, that's the

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customer, that's somebody in something.
But again, it was so huge,

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That's why I knew it wasn't a
person. And then a few minutes later

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I heard my party catching up to
me. It was my wife and the

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other two couples, and then this
thing looked towards the direction where they were

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coming behind me, and then it
just slid away and it walked up there.

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It was like that part of the
woods went up, started going up

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the hill, so it just walked
away. And then I moved to my

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left to try to get a better
glimpse, and I was able to see

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between the trees, and it just
kept walking up, and then at one

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moment it stopped. It looked to
it right, and then it just kept

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walking and it disappeared. And then
that's when the rest of my party got

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up to us, and I don't
know what to do. I don't know

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how to explain to them that I
had seen something that I couldn't explain because

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again, I don't want to be
ridiculed. I don't want to be made

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fun of. And back then,
this was back in nineteen eighty seven,

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we didn't know anything about Bigfoot.
Back then, I didn't know. I

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had never heard about Bigfoot. Even
when I used to go camping with my

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friends, we never heard anything about
Bigfoot. Woudn't know what it was.

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Again, later on, later in
time, yeah, I started hearing stories

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about bigfoot and stuff, but I
never thought that's what I saw, because,

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to be honest with you, I
wanted to get it out of my

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mind because the only thing that it
reminded me of was a creature that when

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I was a kid, My family
used to mention a creature from my childhood

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that sort of people saw back in
the motherland. I was born in Central

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America, and my father would tell
us stories that there was this creature in

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the woods. I'll give you the
name. It was called Lasijuanava, and

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basically this thing was a hairy monster, and it was a female because supposedly

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has breasts, and it was hairy, it was huge, It has the

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From what I understanding, the right
leg is supposed to be a chicken leg

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and the left leg is supposed to
be a horse leg. And the story

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was that if you were in the
woods and then this thing came out at

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you, you were not supposed to
turn you back to it, because if

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you turned your back to it,
you will become insane. It will do

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something to you. I know it
sounds ridiculous, but as a kid,

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this was the fear that they put
in us. So anytime that we didn't

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think wrong. They would tell us, Oh, they're going to bring us

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to the woods and leave you there, so this thing will get you.

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So that was the only thing that
crossed my mind. But again I was

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an adult, I was in my
early twenties, and now it can't be

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that it's a myth, but that
was the only thing that I can compare

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it to. So I joined my
party and we kept walking. But the

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whole time I was so afraid.
I was worry the whole time, and

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I was always looking around. I
heard noises, and I was always just

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courtious, just in case this thing
came out and tried to attack us or

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something. And to be honest with
you, if it did come out and

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approaches, I would have just grabbed
my wife by the arm and I would

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have ran the hell ot of it, because I knew this thing was huge

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and there's no way all of us
would have been able to fight this thing.

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And then we eventually we made it
back to our car and we ended

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up going back to our friend's house
where we were staying, and that was

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the end of it, and I
never mentioned it to anybody. I told

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my wife this story, I think
maybe a year afterwards, and she thought

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that maybe it was just a bear
that I saw, But I know what

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I saw and I know that was
not a bear. And to this day,

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I have seen a lot of videos
that I have seen movies, and

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yeah, as I got older,
I realized, you know what, I

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think maybe it could have been a
big fit what I saw. That's a

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fascinating story, Alfred. Thank you
for sharing. I know you you just

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said that you really haven't shared this
with anyone, and I appreciate you sharing

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it on the show. Going back
to that time when you were able to

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look at it for a bit,
do you remember anything about the color of

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the hair of what you said,
Yeah, this thing was like a reddish

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brown because again when I saw the
arm and I guess the knee moving and

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I didn't know what it was.
At first I thought it was maybe like

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a red squirrel, but I'm like, it was too big to be a

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squirrel, because again I couldn't make
out what it was because it looked like

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the hand was hugging part of the
tree and it was shaky, like trembling.

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And then the knee was the knee
was just staying put. It would

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just move from side to side.
But again because I hadn't seen the whole

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thing. I couldn't make out what
it was, but it was like a

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reddish brown Yeah, okay, gotcha. So after you were able to see

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exactly what you were looking at,
you realized it was just one creature.

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Then it was yeah yeah again.
When it appeared to the right and I

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looked at it, I saw the
face, I saw the head, the

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shoulders, and actually it was just
part of it. It was just the

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right shoulder because it didn't step out, it just leaned to the right.

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But again, it was so huge
that I had to look up to see

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this thing, and I was just
amazed. I was I didn't know what

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to do again because my mind was
like fighting to try to put I guess

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the reason what is because I couldn't
figure it out is not. I know

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it's not a bear, and if
it was a person, there's no way

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it could be that big. Oh. Just you know, do you remember

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anything about the length of the hair
at all, or any about the hair?

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It was hairy, It wasn't how
do you say it wasn't. The

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hair wasn't cropped or short. It
was actually really shaggy. It's funny.

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It almost reminds me of a Chewbacca
from Star Wars, basically that it almost

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looked like it's a reddish brown.
The face. I remember, the face

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was almost human, and I remember
the eyes were also really far apart.

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That was another thing that I remember
that the eyes were not like a regular

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person who would be like maybe one
eye distancing between. This thing was like

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I was saying, maybe there was
like four eyes and between the first eye

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and the other eye, and then
it was like a grayish color the face.

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And I know it had lips,
it had a mouth, but it

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wasn't moving. The mouth wasn't moving. The nose was the nose. It

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had a nose, and I remember
the nose was a bit I guess because

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it was breeding. It was flaring
a bit. You can see the nostrils

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moving. And it was not like
the nose was proportional. It wasn't like

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I guess, like a It wasn't
like a gorilla that it's really huge extending.

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It was almost like a proportion of
human. No, but to its

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size for that face. Would you
was there a hood at all, like

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a hooded nose or was it more
of a flat nose or I don't understand.

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What do you mean hooded. It
wasn't flat. It was almost like

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a I guess, almost like a
human nose, but just huge in proportion

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to its face. Okay, okay, gotcha. You said you saw the

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mouth. Was it a larger mouth
or smaller mouth or do you remember anything

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about the mouth portion of the face. The mouth was basically just it didn't

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have the mouth. I don't remember
seeing the lips, like I guess human

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lips. It was almost more like
a flat I guess you would say,

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like a flat mouth. There was
no shape to the lips. It was

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just like a line. But it
was gray. But you could say because

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you could actually make out that it
was a mouth. And then it had

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it because it was hairy. It
looked like it had hair where a mustache

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would be at any time, did
you see the mouth open so you could

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see the teeth of the creature now? It just that was the other thing.

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It did not move, It didn't, but I did hear it before

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I saw it. It did make
a noise, which at first I thought

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it was a bear, sort of
looked like some sort of a I guess,

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like a grunt noise. It sounded
like it took a breath, it

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one something like oh, and then
something something to that effect like that.

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But the grunt was sort of a
It was really how do you say,

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not loud but verberated, like I
can feel it, how you can feel

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it in your bones? Almost It
was that loud, but it was like

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really low and muffled. But I
felt the grunt. I felt it before

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I felt it as I heard it. It's kind of it sounds crazy,

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but it was that low and muffled
that it was that I felt it.

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I don't think that's crazy at all. When you felt that reverberate, what

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did it evoke any emotions in you? Did it make you feel a certain

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way? It's funny. Like I
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big martial arts artist. I've been
studying martial arts for like maybe wow,

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forty years now. I've been doing
martial arts, and I know I can

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defend myself. In previous years,
I had been I have had situations where

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I had been confronted by multiple people, and I've been able to defend myself.

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But when I saw this thing,
I was afraid because I knew as

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no way I could defend myself against
this thing. No way in My fear

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was just for my wife's safety and
my safety. To be honest with you,

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I was hoping that if this thing
came out, it would go after

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one of my friends. That was
my thing. My thing was I'm going

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to run out of there with my
wife and let them get eaten or get

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whatever, because I wasn't going to
take that chance. It sounds like you

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were in self preservation mode for sure
the whole time walking to that. The

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hike lasted about two hours, I
believe the whole time. I don't think

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I enjoyed the hike because I was
apprehensive every little rose. I was always

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looking around making sure that this thing
wasn't fallow or it wasn't running after us.

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Do you remember anything about the area
of the face above the eyes,

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like the forehead area, the forehead
it was the forehead was huge, actually,

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because the head was almost pointy.
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like a regular human head. I
remember it was pointy, not like a

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football, but that shape when it
went up and pointed to the top,

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but not really let's say a cone. It just almost almost like an oblong

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shape. And I don't remember seeing
ears because I guess maybe because it was

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so hairy, I couldn't see any
ears. I don't remember seeing years,

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because again I was trying to I
was trying to make sense of trying to

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match it with something that could be
explained, like, let's say, maybe

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a bear. But so during the
time when you were able to look at

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it and you had eye contact,
did it have an emotion in its face

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at all, or during that time
when you had eye contact, where you're

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feeling any emotions at all. I
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I don't know this thing wasn't afraid
or it didn't show any fear. Again,

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it only lasted thirty seconds or last
few days. And as it was

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looking at me, I remember it
was. It blinked a few times,

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but it was just staring at me
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It didn't make any effort to at
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off or anything. Now, it
was just this thing was sure of itself.

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Because again, when my friends started
coming up behind me, it looked

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it was their direction, and then
it just slid away. It just walked

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away, and then I just saw
the arm disappear, and then the knee

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went away, and then it just
started. I heard the noise and then

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I went in a bit to my
left to try to get a better glance,

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and then I was able to see
between the trees and it just walked

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away going up the hill. Were
you able to get a good look at

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its hands the hands? I was. I was able to see once once

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it was walking away. I did
see the right It looked like the right

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arm and the hand and I could
see that you can see almost like the

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palm, and it was cupped.
But I didn't see fingers when I saw

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its arm in its hand because it
was really hairy. Also so the hairs

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covering any form of digits. But
when it walked away, I did see

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what looked like a hand and it
was I could see the back of it

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because it was walking away from me
and the right arm was moving. I

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couldn't see the left arm because it
was covered by the other trees that I

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so basically saw its right side from
the back as it walked away. Did

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you notice anything interesting about the arms? The arms were. The arm that

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I saw was pretty long. The
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The arm was pretty long. I
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arm was a bit longer. It
looked longer than a regular human arm.

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How far down the body would you
say the arm? I would say it

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went up to probably up to its
knee. Okay, you were able to

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see it walk away, sounds were
able to see the feet. Did you

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notice anything about the feet of the
creature. No, I didn't. I

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couldn't see anything by the feet because
I guess of the growth in the area.

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So as I was walking away,
there was I guess, like shrubbery

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and stuff, so I couldn't see
pass I guess its knee and below that

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part I guess the back of the
leg it to was a below the the

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I couldn't see because of the shrubbery. As it walked away and it was

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walking up, I only saw I
would say, half of it. It's

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the right half with the armed down, as that was walking up the hill.

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And then again our remember stopped for
a second and it looked to the

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right, and then it just looked
back straight and just kept walking disappeared.

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Anything weird about the gate of the
creature, or how that it was actually

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moving, the way its legs moved, things like that, I can remember

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anything like that. But I do
remember that when I first heard it,

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and also when it walked away,
when it took its steps, you can

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hear it as it crushed the growth
underneath that it was heavy. It was

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heavy, because you can actually hear
the end. You can walk in the

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woods' troubling. You don't make some
mouse, but this thing really made noise

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as it broked away. If you
had to estimate how much it weighed,

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what would you say? Wow?
Wait? Wow? It had to have

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been at least eight feet tall,
because again I can the way when I

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was looking at it and I saw
the tree, it was at least eight

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I couldn't see its whole. I
didn't see the whole body, okay,

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because when you peeked at me,
leaned to the right, and I saw

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part of the shoulder, I saw
the face, So I only saw the

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right arm still falling to the tree. I saw the shoulder. And then

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when it went back and started to
move away, and I tried to follow

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it a bit to see when it
was walking away, I only saw the

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right half from its back. It
was tall, weight easily five hundred pounds

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or more, I would say easily. Was there any thing that you saw

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that would make you think that it
was a male or a female. I

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just was funny. I just assume
it was a male. Sure, I

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didn't because when it was leaning over, I don't I didn't see any anything

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that would indicate I didn't see breasts, if that's what you mean. I

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didn't see breasts. And then when
I was walking away, it was huge.

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It didn't look like a female to
me. Basically, I don't know.

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Maybe yeah, I could be wrong, maybe you couldn't. But I

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couldn't see any features that would tell
me or lead me to believe that it

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was a female. Were you able
to see any anything under the hair muscle

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wise, No, not necessarily muscle
like I guess if you would see a

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bodybuilding now. But the arms were
huge. That right arm was the width

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was really huge. I couldn't tell
you how it was huge compared to looking

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at the arm, that right arm
when it was leaning Yeah, the I

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could see the from the shoulder going
down to the arm and the elbow,

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and then as it came around the
tree, it was huge, meaning thick.

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But I don't recall I can't remember
seeing like muscles or muscle movement.

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Now think back to what you were
able to see of the face. If

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you would and is this a face
that you would see when you're visiting the

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zoo or that you would see when
you're walking down the street in the city.

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No, not that you wouldn't see
that in a person. Now,

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If anything, I would say,
yeah, a gorilla. Maybe I've seen

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gorillas up close, that's the only
closest. But a gorilla. The features

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a gorilla looks like the features right, They're that hairy, the hair is

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really cropped, and it's close to
the skin, and you can see the

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features like the noses flat pushed in. No, this thing was not.

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This thing was not an ape,
if that's what you if you wanted to

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compare it to. It was definitely
not I know where a gorilla and rangey

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ten or even a chimpanzee looks.
No, this thing did not resemble any

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of that. Interesting Okay, so
not not an ape. But no,

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that that was because that was one
later after the incident, when we were

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still there, I was for days. I was trying to process it,

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trying to was it a gorilla.
There's no gorilla, is nothing, There's

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no way, it's no way,
no way. So my wife thinks that

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it was either a bear or maybe
somebody in the suit. But there's no

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way it was somebody in the suit, not that big, no way.

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So remind me what time of year
it was in nineteen This was in August,

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Yeah, August, because we had
gotten married in August of eighty five,

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my wife and I and basically that
was almost our We were young at

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the time and so we didn't have
a honeymoon, and that was almost like

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a honeymoon trip. So it was
in August of eighty seven. And I

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remember that my friends had made a
comment that that basically in Seattle you can

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actually go swimming and you can also
go skiing at the same time because you

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can actually go up to the mountain. And I remember that when we went

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to the mountain, we had to
wear almost like a windbreaker type of thing

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because it was it was colder up
at the mountain than it was where we

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were staying. It was a colder
day, but there wasn't snow in the

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area that we were hiking. But
you can actually see higher up, you

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can see the mountain, the peak
covered in snow, but not where we

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were hiking. What time of day
again, was it that you saw,

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was like in the middle of the
day, I think we got there like

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before lunchtime, and I remember that
it was the lighting was pretty. It

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was decent lighting because the way there's
it was like a little rain one moment

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and then it would be sunny and
our men was a pretty nice clear day.

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It didn't rain on us or anything
like that. It was pretty good.

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So there wasn't like, let's say, fog or anything that or even

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a mist at my effect division of
this thing. Was there anything that the

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creature did during the short time you
saw it that really confused you, even

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after all these years. Just the
fact the way that it was looking at

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me, The way it looked at
me, it would be almost like a

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person would look at you, right, like somebody. It's I don't know,

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it's just it felt like this thing
is almost like a human being but

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huge. It looked at me,
and it knew that I was Probably I

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wasn't pretty this way, I wasn't
a local animal. It knew that I

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was a person, basically, and
I felt that this thing's looking at me

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and it knows what I am.
It wasn't like let's say, a deer

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looking at you or any other animal. This thing. You can sense that

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this thing was almost human. Basically, would you ever have nightmares about what

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you saw? Over the years,
I did. I did have I wouldn't

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say nightmares because not nightmares, but
oh, constantly thinking about it, just

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trying to make sense out of it, basically trying to make sense that it

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was not a beer, it was
not a deer, it was not no

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way it could have been an ape
because there's no apes up there, and

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I would think maybe perhaps an ape
got lose in the zoo and it escaped.

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And no, there was no,
never any incidents. I never read

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because later in life I would do
research to see if there was any incident

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regarding oh, maybe that they reported
anything similar to that. And again,

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yeah, I did, and I
saw other Obviously I started seeing other people

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talking about signings, but not let's
say a mountain lion or something that does

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not below up and got mounted.
Have you ever seen let's say a picture

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or a drawing or anything that was
similar to what you saw? The only

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thing that it's funny, the only
thing that I think came close to it

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again was Chewbacca from Star Wars.
That's the closest thing that I can relate

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to except brownish red. Would you
ever want to see one again? Yes,

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I would. I definitely would.
Maybe maybe not that up close,

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but yeah, I would definitely I
would love to see one. Why would

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you want to see one again?
I don't know. I just I think

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that I would need to see it. I don't know I can explain why.

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I just need to see it again. Put it that way, I

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guess maybe to make sure that maybe
I wasn't imagining, I wasn't seeing things.

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But then again, if I do
see one again, I would know

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how to explain it or what it
is I need to know. You know

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how people claim to see UFOs or
even the ets right which you want to

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see? I would love to see
what? Sure? Yeah, I definitely

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would love to see it. And
it's funny. My friends and I used

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to go camping upstate New York again
by the Catskills area. There's a lake.

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It's a National park called North South
Lake. I believe it's called Sagod

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It's up in except twenty if I'm
not mistaken, on the throughway, and

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we used to camp there all the
time, and we will hear noises at

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night. We used to like to
go camping either at the beginning of the

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season or at the end, but
there wasn't too many people, and we

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would hear stuff out there. And
again, back then, we didn't know

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what a big foot was. We
never heard of it, but we would

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hear noises and we always would joke
about saying somebody left their dog in the

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woods and they never came back because
we would hear this thing that it sounded

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almost like a dog market. But
it was like almost every time we went

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up there, we will hear this
thing. But we never saw anything up

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there. We did see bear,
black bear and other animals, but we

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never saw anything like this up there. And I'm sure they've had sightings up

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there, but we never came across. And again, ever since I was

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a teenager, we used to go
camping as a group four of us every

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year religiously, and up until when
I was an adult, I would say,

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maybe I haven't gone camping in five
years, but prior to that we

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would go every year religiously camping to
that same campground. Yeah, no,

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I know that up in that area
there have been sightings. I've talked to

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a few people. It's a very
interesting area. Going back to your mountain

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in your sightings, yeah, was
there anything else that you had forgotten to

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mention about the nothing. The smell. It's funny because after it was going,

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you can still smell it. You
can still smell it, not as

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strong as when it was standing that
close. But after it left and my

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friends caught up, I remember some
of them saying, oh, they were

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talking about, Oh the who's who? They were joking around that somebody didn't

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take a bath, or somebody let
one go. And I just keept quiet

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because I didn't want anybody didn't know
what happened. I just at least not

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to my friends. I told my
wife later when we came back actually from

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our trip, I mentioned to her, but I never told my friends that

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were with us that day because I
just, you know, I don't know

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how to explain I wouldn't know how
to explain it. What kind of sounds

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were you hearing this in the woods
that that day? That day, I

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heard squirrel sounds. We hear the
squirrels, chipmunks that was that's probably just

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about it, and obviously birds,
but nothing like this. And again when

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I heard the grunt, I immediately
assumed it was a bear. That's what

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I thought. I think it's got
to be a bear. And I've heard

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bear because again when I was camping
up state New York, black bear would

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come to the campground and you have
to be careful not to engage them or

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bother We would basically walk away from
the campsite, and we knew enough to

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keep the whatever food we had tied
up high with a rope in the tree

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to keep it away from the bear, because they did come at night to

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the campground and if you didn't bother
them, they didn't bother you. And

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they were not that big. To
the black bear up there, not a

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bround it. Were there any sounds
that you heard during your time there when

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you were hiking around that were just
out of place, or that's a weird

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sound. I didn't hear anything out
of place except for that grunt. Okay,

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that was the only And again as
we kept walking, I was always

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listening. I was waiting to hear
this thing because I was still afraid that

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this thing is going to come out
and try to attack it. As I

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was hearing other noises, I was
paying close attention that if I heard that

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grunt, that thing's going to be
really close by. But the rest of

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the hike and I didn't hear that
particular grunt. You know, if the

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grunt was conveying an emotion, what
would it be. Did you get anything

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from the sound? And I know
that's a weird question, but yeah,

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I think that maybe it made the
noise to let me know not to get

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close. That's the only thing I
can think of, because again, it

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sounded like a like a muffled grund, but it sounded like it took a

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breath first, and want something to
like that, something like that, like

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it was relaxing, and it was
only just that one grunt. I didn't

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it didn't grunt anymore. That was
the only time it granted. And then

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as we make contact and it walked
away, it didn't make any Has there

451
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been anything about the encounter that you
do not want to share or that you've

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been very hesitant to share. No, not at all. That was the

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whole story. Obviously. To this
day, I haven't mentioned the two our

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friends up there in Seattle, Washington. Still keep in touch with them.

455
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Yeah, I never mentioned it because
oh wow, I don't know. It's

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just one of those and I'm sure
that they are aware. And who knows,

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maybe if we ever go up there, because I have gone up there

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to listen. Then, Ever,
since that time in eighty seven, I

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think we went back maybe five other
times different years from eighty seven up until

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maybe I think the last time we
went up there was when my son was

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my son was fine ninety three,
four or five, six seven, nineteen

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ninety eight was the last time that
we went up there. So the people

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you're with out in the woods,
they don't really know what happened. No,

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they don't know what happened though.
Wow. So again maybe one day

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if we go, I'm sure we'll
go up there to visit friends again because

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stuff happening, who know's weddings and
things, and we will end up going

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up there, and I'll probably mention
it to them. I guess I'm in

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I'm sixty three this year. I'm
in that point in my life that,

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you know what, I don't care
about. I don't care about what other

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people think. I get. It
doesn't bother me as they it would have

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thirty forty years ago. Right now, I'm like, you know what,

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if they make fun of me,
more power to them that it would not

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affect me at all. I would
not feel I guess what I was afraid

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feeling back there, being ridiculed.
And the great thing is all the stuff

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that you're sharing will help a lot
of people that are listening and maybe even

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help them to work through what they
experienced and then be able to share by

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00:36:29.800 --> 00:36:32.400
contacting me what they've experienced. You. So, I really appreciate you reaching

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out, Alfred. Sure, very
yeah, it was my pleasure. It

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was nice talking to you and sharing
this. If you ever do get in

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touch with those you know, those
friends again and there's any new information,

481
00:36:46.559 --> 00:36:52.519
please please reach out. But I
would definitely let you know what their reaction

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is or what their take on it
is. And because I'm curious too to

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find out maybe who knows, Maybe
they had similar experience exactly, but maybe

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they were shy or afraid to share
it. Who knows exactly. Interesting,

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I know it's later where you're at. I appreciate you spending your time with

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me tonight, and thank you sure
sure, Jemi was nice talking to you,

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and thank you for having me.
Yes, sir, you have a

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great night. Yep you two now
bye bye bye. Just wanted to take

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