June 24, 2025

It Screamed at Us from the Ridge – Oregon Trooper's Bigfoot Showdown

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Season 1

What happens when a former Oregon State Trooper steps into the woods for a bear hunt — and ends up face-to-face with the unknown?

In this gripping episode of Bigfoot Society, Jeremiah Byron talks with Ethan, a law enforcement veteran and lifelong outdoorsman who shares chilling encounters from deep in the Oregon wilderness. From unsettling whoops between unseen creatures to perfect three-knock patterns in the dead of night, Ethan recounts a night that changed everything. You’ll hear stories from the Southern Blue Mountains, Suttle Lake, the edge of the Warm Springs Reservation, and even Prospect and Granite — places where hunters have fled, terrified, in the middle of the night.

Whether it's pistol-drawn standoffs in the dark or whispered legends passed between trusted troopers, Ethan’s experiences reveal the darker side of Bigfoot encounters — and the silent intelligence behind them. This isn’t campfire gossip. It’s boots-on-the-ground testimony from someone who swore to protect and serve... and now swears he wasn’t alone.

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You're listening in Big for Society, and I'm Jeremiah Byron.

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Tonight's account is from a man who spent years wearing

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a badge patrolling some of the most remote roads in Oregon.

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But one summer night, deep in the Central Oregon forest,

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what started as a routine bear hunt became something much

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more primal, A strange communication echoing between two unseen figures,

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pistols drawn in the dark, and a silence that felt watched.

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This is a story of Ethan, the Oregon State Trooper

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who found something out there that training could explain. To

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stay with us, all right, Big the Society. I got

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the privilege of talking to Ethan today. Ethan is a

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former Oregon State Trooper who is patrolling mainly the areas

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of eastern and central Oregon. It's a privileged to have

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him on the show today. How's it going, Ethan, It's

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going good.

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I'm excited for this.

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Absolutely. I believe we were introduced over on the TikTok platform. Correct, Yeah, absolutely,

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you had an interesting thing that I asked if you

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wanted to come on the show to share today. So

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I'm going to make sure that you know you have

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the time to do that. So I'll go ahead of

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passing is right over to you. It feel free to

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take us back to this incident that happened where you

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had some interesting things happen.

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Yeah. So, so just to start, I was born and

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raised in john Day, went to high school there. My

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three older siblings went high school there and all as

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well born and raised. And I lived in john Day

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and my family still has. I had a ranch that

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was homesteaded that is outside of the Prairie City area,

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just near the southern Blue Mountains. And I was in

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a hunting family. We had a wood stove, so my dad,

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being a logger, we always went out for firewood several

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times every summer as a family and hunted the same

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areas that kind of surround my family's ranch. So I mean,

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I wouldn't say that I lived in the woods, but

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I was very often out there. And the summer of

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twenty eleven, I was on the Prairie City US four

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Service and Crew where we also patrolled and fought fires

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mainly in that area, and it took us to other

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states as well, but that was our most frequent area

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of patrol and response. And anyway, Yeah, I met my

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ex wife in twenty twelve, and she grew up here

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in central Oregon where I currently live, and her dad

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hunted an area that is a little bit northwest of Sisters, Oregon.

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And I saw your post on TikTok about Subtle Lake

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and I was like, shoot, that's that's like really near

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where I hunt. It would probably be about thirty miles

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north north east of Subtle Lake where I bear hunt,

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and I'm actually going to be l hunting there this

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year in addition to bear hunting. But anyway, yeah, I

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saw your video and I'm big into bigfoot and a

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really good friend of mine, who I call a brother,

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we actually have planned to get an entire leg sleeve

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together that is all sorts of different Bigfoot themed things

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and I want to have like Barry from Harry and

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the Hendersons as part of it, and like a Bigfoot

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crossing sign and like your typical Bigfoot in the trees photo.

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And now when I came across your page, I'm like, man,

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this is cool. But anyway, yeah, I saw your post

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about Subtle Lake, and I want to say this was

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like twenty twenty when I was bear hunting out in

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that area with my brother and who he I would

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say lived in the woods like this guy lives and

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breeze hunting always out in the woods. I call myself

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a hillbilly, but if there was a picture of a hillbilly,

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that would be LEVI. And so he hadn't been out

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to this bear hunting spot yet, and I had I

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believe three trail cameras set up out there, and it

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would have been in August of that year, and I

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asked him if he wanted to join me for an evening.

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We were going to go out near sundown grab the

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trail camera photos. And he had a tablet that we

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could plug the memory cards into, and so our plan

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was to go out to this spot, grab the memory cards,

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go back to a little camping spot that's not even

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a quarter mile away from where we hunt, right off

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the side of the road, and we would check the

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photos and make a plan for the following morning. And

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this bear hunting spot is like one hundred and fifty

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yards off the commonly traveled road. I won't name the road,

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but it's kind of encompassed within a switchback of the road.

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So I would say like probably two thirds of like

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if you were to make a triangle around this spot

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with that hunting spot at the center the little water

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hole that we sit on. Two sides of that triangle

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would be roadway that are within one hundred and fifty yards,

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so it's like not very far off the beaten path

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at all. And it's a really easy walk to this

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spot too, And so we got out there a little

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later than planned. It was pretty dark, just dark enough

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we could see with the naked eye, and we walk

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about one hundred yards across this little open grassy area

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that's almost high level with the roadway, and we get

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to the edge where there's a little probably like thirty

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foot rock cliff that's all encompassed with pine trees, and

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we walk around the side of that cliff down into

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the water hole, and this is how we usually get

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in there. And Levi and I get probably like fifty

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yards from the edge of that the top of that

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rock cliff, and we hear this animal noise and it's

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like like a who noise, but it's nothing that I've

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heard of bear do. It's definitely not an owl hoot

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or like a dove hoot. We both freeze there on

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our necks go up. He looks at me, and this

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is where like I say, LEVI grew up in the

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woods and even more of an avid hunter than I've

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ever been, And he looks at me with bug eyes

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and he's like, I've never heard that before. But the

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crazy thing was, so we could tell this sound was

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like at the top of this rock edge that drops

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off behind wherever this thing was, and it was just

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back in the trees where we couldn't see, but it

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was so it was dark enough that we couldn't see

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that far anyway. We could just see like the silhouettes

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of trees. But the same noise responded to that noise

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down in the bowl where this water hole was. So

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these two things, whatever they were, I'm convinced it was

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big food. They were communicating back and forth and we

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kind of froze. We're like, we don't want to run,

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we don't want to get closer because we don't know

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what this thing is. It's obviously close and at about

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the same elevation that we are, and every few seconds

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this thing would make the noise, and whatever it was

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down in this bowl near the water hole, every time

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it responded it was farther away. So it's like whatever

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this was in front of us was communicating to whatever

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it was down in the bowl to go away. And

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this happened for it seems like forever, but it was

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probably like ten minutes, where every ten to thirty seconds

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it would haul down into the bowl and that thing

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would respond, and you could tell by the lowered volume

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that it was getting farther and farther away. And after this,

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we'll just say it was ten minutes that they were communicating.

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It just stopped. I didn't hear any rush being displaced,

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and he sticks cracking and he leaves, and it was

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pretty dry. This was a pretty dry summer, so the

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grass was dry and yellow, and there's pine needles everywhere,

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and but we heard nothing as far as physical movement, which,

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like I mean, elk moves through the trees like ghosts,

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and it always surprises me how elk and deer can

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move and all of a sudden they're right in front

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of you. But this was like a different level of

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silence as they and we stayed in that spot for

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like ten minutes, like trying to look. We didn't want

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to shine flashlights, which we had. I carried a three

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fifty seven revolver on my hip, and that's actually what

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I bear hunted with because I shot a bear in

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twenty fifteen with a revolver and killed it in its

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tracks and I shot it clean, shot between the eyes

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from twenty yards away. And Levi I carried a forty

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five semi auto pistol nineteen eleven on his hip, and

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he had that pistol out so fast when we heard

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those noises and not like I'm going to kill whatever

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this is. It was it like in defense. And most

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avid hunters appreciate nature and it's a way of conservation

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for them, and so like we're not out to kill everything,

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and we're out to fill our freezer and to make memories.

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And yeah, Leeve I pulled this pistol out and I

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saw that, and I'm like, we'll shoot. I better pull

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my pistol out. And and as you mentioned, I'm a

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former state trooper. I left the state police in early

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twenty twenty or sorry, early twenty twenty two, and so

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at that time I was still employed. And I like

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to think that that makes me a little more credible

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because a lot of people hear bigfoot stories and they're like, oh,

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this guy's just a kook, you know, he's crazy. And

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I about several other third hand stories from credible people

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that I hope to get into while we talk that

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are also from very level headed, credible people. And so anyway,

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we stood there for probably another ten minutes after we

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stopped hearing these noises, and we were kind of debating,

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like do we go down there and risk whatever that was,

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like crossing paths with it, or do we just go

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back to our camping spot or do we just get

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the heck out of here like this was. We were

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both on edge and Levi he's like, you know what,

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we came to get the camera, memory cards, whatever that

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was might actually be in these pictures, and we decided

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to walk down in there, guns drawn. And so we

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walked down there, walking really slow on edge, like looking

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all around kind of frivolously, and went down there, grabbed

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the memory for memory cards, and the whole time we

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felt like we were being watched. And for anyone who's

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ever had the feeling that they're being watched, like almost

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every time, like if you're in a crowded space and

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you get that feeling, you will find somebody looking at you.

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So I think it's a I would say, like the

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sixth sense that you know, I've dove into like these

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gut feelings and this stuff and a lot of the

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research in it. And there's a lot of people that

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think like that sixth sense was like a natural thing

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that humans had that it's just been dumped down because

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of technology and the way we live now, Like you

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don't need that, and you think back to like I

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want to say, like organ trail days and before, like

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when there were Native Americans and it was all living

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off the land. I feel like that sense was a

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lot more into And the whole time we were down

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there to grab the cameras, which was a really short

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period of time because we were still kind of in

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a panic mode. We felt like we were being watched,

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and so we grabbed the memory cards. I tailed it

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out of there and got back to the truck and

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drove back like the quarter mile to where a little

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camp in spot was, which was we just pulled like

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the pen feet off the road. There was a little

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all out there, and we hadn't set up a tent yet,

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so we're doing all this in the dark, the whole

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time being like, man, that was crazy. I've never heard

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that before, you know, completely different than anything we've either

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one of us has ever experienced. And so we set

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up the tent. We make like some hot bobs or

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something on a little propane cook top, and we get

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in the tent to go to sleep. And I've I

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struggle with insomnia anyways. But we got in the tent

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at like nine pm. Leave I fell asleep by probably

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like ten thirty, and I was awake till probably three am,

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just laying there listening, and at some point to the

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night and it was I want to say it was

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near a full moon, because I remember seeing the moon.

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I don't think it was like a fold full moon,

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but I remember the moonlight kind of lighting up around us.

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And I had all these ZIPPERD screens shut so that

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I couldn't see outside or that something couldn't see in,

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but I could see through the top where we didn't

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put the rain guard on. And I want to say

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it was around one thirty in the morning. I'm laying

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there and I hear this knocking noise that didn't sound

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like it was very far away probably I mean in

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the woods it's all dece evening, but I would guess

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like seventy eighty yards away. And what really my attention

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with this was it was three knocks, three times, spaced

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perfectly apart, so like this to me, can't be like

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a bird, like a woodpecker. It was knock knock, knock, knock, knock, knock, knock, knock, knock,

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and I only heard it the one time, and again

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the hair on my neck went up at and I

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remember my mind wandering back into like I had watched

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some of these big foot hunting shows when I was

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younger and they talked about tree knocking. I'm like, holy crap.

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Like the fact that it was three knocks, it was

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evenly spaced, Like I'm a big music guy and like timing,

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and you know, I was in band in middle school

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and I played guitar for a long time, so like

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timing and space and pace and spacing and stuff that

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was I'm pretty in tune with that. And the fact

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that it was so evenly spaced, so perfectly spaced. The

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tone or note was like the same like when I'm

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driving down the road on the steering wheel, there's different

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spots on the steering wheel that sound different, you know,

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And I'm like this this was intentional, and boy, it

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took me a while to fall asleep that night, but

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we didn't see anything on the memory cards. We didn't

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get an animal the next day. And like we sat

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there and so ided for several hours. We just sat.

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We have a little spot that we sat at and

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we watched the watering hole like elk waller that they

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roll around in and it's a spring fed little like

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eight foot circle full of water. And I mean we

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sat there for probably seven or eight hours. Nothing came

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but on the trail on the memory card. When I

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say nothing was picked up on the memory card. And

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there was no bigfoot. But there was a lot of bear,

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There's a lot of deer, a lot of elk. There

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was an howl that came in regularly, a lot of

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really cool nature photos. But it was daily that we

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had coyotes, bears, deer, elk coming into this this bring

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fed water hole. And I would when when I hunt,

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when I'm leading up to that hunting season, for the

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few weeks leading into it, I'll wear like one of

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my trashy white T shirts for a full day and

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then I'll bring it out there and kind of hang

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it on a tree in that area so that my

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scent is out there regularly. And I tried to make

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that set like something that's normal or common for them

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to smell in that area, so that when I'm actually

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there in person, hopefully that would make it not be

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out of the ordinary. And I probably had three shirts

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that I had brought out and you know, brought the

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previous one back with me, and and but anyway, it

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was really strange to me that that day there was

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nothing in there, like, no animals came in. There was

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a few birds flying around, but it was almost eerily silent.

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And anyway, that's that's the gist of that experience that

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I personally had.

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That is extremely interesting, especially you know the part you

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just said where they had that extreme quiet most of

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the time that you were in there. It sounds like, yeah,

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after this, it sounds like you're you are also looking

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into two bigfoot things. And you know, you know the

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area that you were in. Have you ever looked to

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see if there's been any other reported activity around that

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that area?

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You know, Honestly, I never I don't think I ever

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really thought about it. But I don't know if I

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aside from seeing your page recently, I don't know that

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I would know where to start looking for reports like that.

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And I feel like there might be like a certain,

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very small percentage of experiences that are actually reported. Like

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I've told this story to several people, because I used

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to be really shy and inter I guess, and I

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definitely moved past that. I think a lot of it

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had to do with law enforcement and being forced to

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talk to people all the time. But also, like I mentioned,

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I had an ex wife. I'm married again and she's amazing,

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you know, But like I forced myself to be more

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extroverted because I kept a lot of my feelings in

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with that marriage, and that marriage was really damaging emotionally

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mentally to me. And I think that has a little

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bit to do with why I don't care what people

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think anymore. And I think this stuff's cool. Like I mentioned,

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my brother and I I called my brother, you know,

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also wanting to get the matching full leg sleeve tattoo

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Big fifteen, and Kim and I have talked about it

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a lot. And I was stationed with the State Police

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in John Day from the beginning of twenty sixteen to

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September of twenty seventeen. The beginning of September was when

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I transferred to Central Oregon and there was a jail

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deputy I won't mention his name. I don't think he

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would care, but I'll just say Pete. That's his We'll

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just say that's his first name. Beat and I talked

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a lot. He coached me in middle school football, he

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watched me in high school football. And patrolling the John

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Day area is extremely boring. My first station wasn't Hermiston,

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which is northeast Oregon by Pendleton, and it's along the

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freeway and there's a lot of cartel stuff up there.

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There's a lot of farmland I can go patrol out

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into up there, and the biggest city, Hermiston in my

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patrol area, I think at the time, was like seventeen

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thousand people, which sounds small to a lot of people,

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but I grew up in a town of two thousand people.

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And it was the only stoplight in John Day. That's

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the only stoplight in the entire county, and that's not

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a small county. So patrolling in John Day was extremely

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compared to my first station when I was a young

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gung ho trooper of Hermiston, and so a lot of

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my time I worked night shift almost my entire career,

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and so in John Day after nine pm, it was

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absolutely dead like I remember nights where I might see

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two cars from nine pm till two am, which was

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the end of my shift. And so there were many

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nights when I would just go into the jail where

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Pete worked and several other guys that I knew from

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growing up in john Day, and I'd grab one or

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two cups of coffee and we just sit and talk.

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And Pete at two stories that really stood out to me.

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And he had two experiences. One was personal. One was

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from a neighbor and hunting group that they always camped

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right next to. And he grew up in the Organ

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area and he hunted out there, and I want to

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say he was like eighteen years old. He told me

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a story about how he would walk miles into the wilderness.

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And when you go into the wilderness back in Prospect area,

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that's western Oregon, where the timber is really really dense,

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really thick, like you can't hardly walk five steps without

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having to redirect because there's a tree or a bush

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or something like a lot of people think Oregon, and

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I think, oh, Rain, But the east side of the

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Cascade Mountains, the east like two thirds of the state

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is really dry, mountainous and I mean, there's a lot

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of forests, but it's not as thick. It's the western

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side of the state. And he mentioned like he used

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to go miles into the woods and he was walking

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into this hunting area. He was probably like a mile

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and a half in and he came out into this

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little little clearing on top of this little knoll, and

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he said, he got that really weird sixth sense feeling,

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not necessarily that he was being watched, but there was

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just something off, and it kind of the sunlight was

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able to get into this area a little bit, and

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he said, I looked to my right and there was

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this wall of branches and it was like twelve feet high,

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and he said he walked up to it, it looked

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like something that would be like meticulously man made, because

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you think of like a log cabin, like Lincoln logs

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when we were kids that you'd play with, like you

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stack them in the corners. There's notches where these logs

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lay into each other and they crossed. He said, But Ethan,

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all of these sticks that were like six to eight

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inches thick were not sawn. They were broken, whereas it

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had to have been something big that had broken the

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ends of these I would call them logs. He called

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them sticks because trees over in that area easily get

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six to eight feet in diameter. And he's like, these

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things were way bigger than what any man can break

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in half, and they were interplined and it was this

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just a wall that was and he's like the smell

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in there was god awful, which is something that I've

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from what I've gathered from all the Bigfoot stories. I've

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delved into the things stink. And I don't want to

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talk bad about any people because life brings challenges, but

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I have had homeless people in my patrol car and

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there's there's just an odor that is unmistakable to a

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human being here hasn't showered, and I've heard that correlated

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with the smell of sasquatch or a bigfoot. And he

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mentioned the smell, and he's like, I had to get

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out of there because when I realized those were not

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and sawn or machine sawn branches, and that they very

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obviously were broken, like I knew no man could do that,

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and the fact that they were arranged and stacked as

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a wall, not just like a pile of lumber. He's like,

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I knew that there was something to that that was

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outside of anything that I've ever experienced or could explain.

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And he hunted near the same area that I hunted,

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and he hunted in the it would either be the

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Murderers Creek Hunting Unit or the Sylvie's Hunting Unit, which

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is just on the south side of Strawberry Mountain, the

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South Blues Range, and he he camped in a big

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camp with the same people every year. There was like

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twelve people that camped every year together, and there was

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this group that camped the next road up that was

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just like sixty yards above them. And because they had

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camped there the majority of his adult life with the

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same people, they met these people that camped near them,

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and it just so happened to be the same group

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of people not from our area camped in that same

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spot every year. And this conversation would have happened early

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twenty seventeen, and he mentioned it was like two years

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before that. So it was the end of one evening hunting.

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He jumped on his four wheeler and rode up there,

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and this whole crew of people were like in a panic,

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backing their stuff. And it wasn't anywhere near the end

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of the hunting season and he's like, guys, what's going on.

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Did you tag out? They're like, no, we're leaving. And

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he could tell that there's like a ton of fear

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in their voice. And he's like, what's up. And they're like,

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let's just say we're not alone up here. The guy

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he talked to you, he's like, I can't tell you

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what we saw, but just know we're not alone up here.

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And he's the guy didn't say we saw bigfoot, you know,

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but Pete's like, I know that's what it was. And

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he said, Ethan, they didn't come back last year, like

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every year we saw these people and they haven't been back.

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And there's one other group. It's a big family. They're

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very well known in the John Day area and I

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worked for them for about three months after I hought

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fire in that area, and I had heard they had

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an experience which would be within about fifty miles of

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where Pete camped when he had this, you know, whatever

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his camping neighbors experience they had. But this family, husbands

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and wives all get tags. They all haunt. The wives

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shoot animals, the kids shoot animals like it's a big

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family yearly thing. They scout months of advance, like it's

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it's part of their life. And I talked when we

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were working one day. I was like, hey, I heard

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that you had a big food experience. He says, now,

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I can't say that it was bigfoot, but I can't

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say that it could possibly be anything else. And I

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was like, well, what happened? He said, Well, my wife

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she shot an elk and it was late at night

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and my brother was near where she was. So she

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radioed like, hey, I got an elk on the ground

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on top of a little clear knoll that was surrounded

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by trees. And on the north side of this little

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knoll there was a really steep, really steep hill that

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climbed just on. You know, you had to go through

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a few trees, a couple, you know, a few yards,

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and then that hill went almost straight up. And so

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his brother went to where his wife was and I

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started processing the elk, you know, skinning it, gutting it,

461
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getting it ready for the rest of the crew to

462
00:27:58.359 --> 00:28:01.799
come help back it out. And they kept hearing noises

463
00:28:01.960 --> 00:28:09.079
circling them, and he said, we they would look and

464
00:28:09.119 --> 00:28:11.359
they would see these branches moving, but it was like

465
00:28:11.480 --> 00:28:13.839
whatever was there had just moved from the spot that

466
00:28:13.880 --> 00:28:17.440
they looked. They never actually saw it. And so it

467
00:28:17.559 --> 00:28:19.799
got to the point where they sat back to back

468
00:28:19.880 --> 00:28:23.880
with a tiny, little like warming fire next to them.

469
00:28:25.240 --> 00:28:27.279
They were sitting back to back with their pistols out,

470
00:28:27.279 --> 00:28:29.119
and this is bo seasons, so you know, you're not

471
00:28:29.160 --> 00:28:31.599
carrying a rifle or something that can take down a

472
00:28:31.599 --> 00:28:36.000
big game animal with minimal shots, you know. And and

473
00:28:37.000 --> 00:28:40.079
they were in a panic in fear, sitting back to back,

474
00:28:40.160 --> 00:28:43.720
pistol strong, radioing to their family, like there's something out here.

475
00:28:43.759 --> 00:28:51.079
We need you guys here soon. And so they sat

476
00:28:51.119 --> 00:28:54.240
there for several minutes, never could actually get a glimpse

477
00:28:54.279 --> 00:28:58.720
of whatever it was that was circling them. And whatever

478
00:28:58.759 --> 00:29:01.160
it was, they could tell, moved to where that really

479
00:29:01.200 --> 00:29:04.599
really steep hill was, and all of a sudden, this

480
00:29:04.720 --> 00:29:09.880
like blood curdling shriek and I've heard cougar's squeal, and

481
00:29:09.920 --> 00:29:13.000
they've heard many cougar's squeal. It's like a really loud,

482
00:29:13.039 --> 00:29:15.000
hyph pitched squeal. And he's like, it wasn't that. This

483
00:29:15.200 --> 00:29:22.319
was like a roar like growl, and whatever it was

484
00:29:22.440 --> 00:29:27.440
like screamed at them from deep and then they said,

485
00:29:27.480 --> 00:29:32.160
we heard it. It blasted up that steep incline, and

486
00:29:32.279 --> 00:29:34.680
it went so fast they could hear the sticks and

487
00:29:34.759 --> 00:29:38.440
rocks and everything going up. It went so fast, faster

488
00:29:38.559 --> 00:29:40.759
than what they would think an animal could move. And

489
00:29:40.799 --> 00:29:43.759
then it screamed again from the top of this and

490
00:29:43.759 --> 00:29:47.359
then busted over the backside and it was going And

491
00:29:48.640 --> 00:29:52.039
that story really caught my attention has always piqued my interest.

492
00:29:52.079 --> 00:29:53.839
I think about it all the time because I've heard that,

493
00:29:53.920 --> 00:29:56.000
you know, like sasquatch is kind of like the guardian

494
00:29:56.039 --> 00:29:59.240
of nature. Supposedly people think that, and I'm like, Okay,

495
00:29:59.279 --> 00:30:02.119
they shot an al and it's probably best off that

496
00:30:03.200 --> 00:30:09.039
they killed an animal out there, you know. And he

497
00:30:09.119 --> 00:30:12.079
tells the story and are really good detail. But like

498
00:30:12.160 --> 00:30:14.519
the fact that it went so fast up this incline

499
00:30:14.559 --> 00:30:17.920
that would take us like forever to climb up, and

500
00:30:17.960 --> 00:30:22.559
the scream and people who spend way more time in

501
00:30:22.559 --> 00:30:26.960
the woods than I do, and they were to the

502
00:30:27.000 --> 00:30:29.799
point where they were like shaking back the back, sitting

503
00:30:29.839 --> 00:30:34.480
on the ground with their pistols out. That was just

504
00:30:34.519 --> 00:30:38.000
pretty wild to me. And a little bit that I've

505
00:30:38.039 --> 00:30:43.119
built into Bigfoot stories, like the scream. I mean, people

506
00:30:43.440 --> 00:30:45.559
they're lucky to see it. But like I've heard so

507
00:30:45.599 --> 00:30:47.480
many stories about like there was something there but we

508
00:30:47.519 --> 00:30:55.160
couldn't explain it. And anyway, those are like the most

509
00:30:55.960 --> 00:31:04.079
detailed third hand stories that I can tell. It's always

510
00:31:04.119 --> 00:31:06.519
been wild to me that there's a lot of Bigfoot

511
00:31:06.559 --> 00:31:09.599
stories and experiences from in that area of the Southern

512
00:31:09.599 --> 00:31:14.759
Blue Mountains in eastern Organ. And the fact that those

513
00:31:14.799 --> 00:31:16.960
two and the few other stories that I've heard, they're

514
00:31:17.000 --> 00:31:20.200
all within like a fifty mile radius of that area,

515
00:31:20.279 --> 00:31:24.039
and it's kind of like my family's ranches right in

516
00:31:24.079 --> 00:31:27.759
that area and kind of the center of that radius

517
00:31:27.839 --> 00:31:31.119
for that area of these stories that I've heard, And

518
00:31:32.160 --> 00:31:35.279
on one of your posts on TikTok, you asked about

519
00:31:35.319 --> 00:31:37.680
like other crazy areas in Organ that people need to

520
00:31:37.759 --> 00:31:40.440
check out if you're into this stuff, Like if you

521
00:31:40.480 --> 00:31:43.000
ever get a chance to go to Sumter Organ, you

522
00:31:43.079 --> 00:31:45.480
really need to deep dive into the mines in Sumter

523
00:31:45.599 --> 00:31:50.440
Organ because there's a lot of pretty wild haunting stories.

524
00:31:51.160 --> 00:31:53.279
It's very well known in that area that the mines

525
00:31:53.279 --> 00:31:57.599
in Sumter are haunted and Granite Organ. Like I just

526
00:31:57.720 --> 00:32:01.000
someone just responded today to one of my comments speaking

527
00:32:01.000 --> 00:32:06.000
of Granite Organ. It's like I tell people that you

528
00:32:06.119 --> 00:32:08.200
go like to the middle of nowhere and you go

529
00:32:08.240 --> 00:32:10.759
fifty more miles and you can find green. It's almost

530
00:32:10.799 --> 00:32:14.400
like the hills have eyes back there. And I had

531
00:32:14.559 --> 00:32:17.359
one call in my entire year and a half that

532
00:32:17.440 --> 00:32:21.119
I patrolled that area, and I had one call that

533
00:32:21.200 --> 00:32:23.759
was in Grantite, and it was the weirdest feeling. You

534
00:32:23.839 --> 00:32:27.519
drive into this town and it's only like four or

535
00:32:27.559 --> 00:32:31.440
five houses, and it's like as soon as you roll

536
00:32:31.440 --> 00:32:34.000
into town and I'm used to people, you know, like

537
00:32:34.119 --> 00:32:36.440
when I roll in in a patrol car, you get

538
00:32:36.480 --> 00:32:38.640
the eyes people stare, you know, but this was wait,

539
00:32:38.759 --> 00:32:41.640
this was different. It was crazy. And Granted is very

540
00:32:41.640 --> 00:32:44.839
close to Sumter too. And there's a lot of bigfoot

541
00:32:44.880 --> 00:32:48.240
stories around the area too that you know. When I

542
00:32:48.240 --> 00:32:50.359
came across your page, I'm like, Man, now that I'm

543
00:32:50.400 --> 00:32:52.079
not with state police and I have a little time

544
00:32:52.119 --> 00:32:53.920
on my hands, I'd love to kind of dive into

545
00:32:53.920 --> 00:32:57.240
some of the stuff. But you know, go investigate some

546
00:32:57.319 --> 00:32:58.519
of those areas, and.

547
00:33:00.319 --> 00:33:05.160
Yeah, absolutely, I mean those are some some extremely interesting stories.

548
00:33:05.359 --> 00:33:11.319
It would be really cool to hear. So there's a

549
00:33:11.519 --> 00:33:13.440
there's a website you can go to that's really good.

550
00:33:13.440 --> 00:33:16.359
It's called Bigfoot. It's a big Foot mapping project and

551
00:33:16.400 --> 00:33:20.680
it's the whole map of the whole US. But there's

552
00:33:20.759 --> 00:33:23.960
all these bigfoot reports all over the place, and and

553
00:33:24.039 --> 00:33:28.000
people submit and they're from different databases, and be interesting

554
00:33:28.039 --> 00:33:30.880
if you're able to check out that website and you know,

555
00:33:31.079 --> 00:33:34.200
look at the different areas that you've been talking about,

556
00:33:34.279 --> 00:33:38.640
and just to see if there's especially that the hunting area,

557
00:33:38.680 --> 00:33:42.519
to see if there's been other things reported in that

558
00:33:42.519 --> 00:33:43.640
that area as well.

559
00:33:43.680 --> 00:33:48.000
But well, something I'd like to make note of, going

560
00:33:48.039 --> 00:33:52.720
back to my bear hunting spot is it's right, it's

561
00:33:52.759 --> 00:33:56.880
like a few miles from the boundary of the Warm

562
00:33:56.880 --> 00:34:01.519
Springs Indian Reservation. Show. Okay, in my I'm sure that

563
00:34:01.920 --> 00:34:04.640
you can corroborate this, but in my little bit of

564
00:34:04.720 --> 00:34:07.119
diving into these bigfoot things, there's like a lot of

565
00:34:07.200 --> 00:34:11.840
Native American cave paintings of Bigfoot or of things that

566
00:34:11.960 --> 00:34:12.599
resemble that.

567
00:34:12.920 --> 00:34:17.719
Well, yeah, the Petrock clyffs. Yeah, yeah, yes, yes, you

568
00:34:17.760 --> 00:34:21.480
are you're correct. They are there in different places in

569
00:34:21.480 --> 00:34:25.280
the Pacific Northwest, and some of them are not publicly

570
00:34:25.360 --> 00:34:30.000
known either. I interviewed an individual and he's like, yeah,

571
00:34:30.480 --> 00:34:33.320
he knows a sum and you're not supposed to to

572
00:34:33.360 --> 00:34:37.239
tell where they are. But the Warm Springs Reservation, I've

573
00:34:37.280 --> 00:34:40.599
heard of things happening on that reservation. I haven't been

574
00:34:40.639 --> 00:34:44.880
able to interview anyone yet from that area, but I mean,

575
00:34:45.480 --> 00:34:49.519
what is that That area's Ohlally Lake, I believe has

576
00:34:49.559 --> 00:34:52.480
a lot of there's some reports around there. And that's

577
00:34:52.599 --> 00:34:57.199
just on the edge of the reservation as well. It's

578
00:34:57.239 --> 00:35:01.599
a little north of Mount Jefferson. But you know when

579
00:35:01.639 --> 00:35:07.400
you were and yeah, I'll ask a question, and you can,

580
00:35:08.039 --> 00:35:10.480
of course refuse any questions if you want to. But

581
00:35:12.119 --> 00:35:18.239
when you were a state trooper, were there any times

582
00:35:18.400 --> 00:35:23.159
where you had gotten a call where someone was like, Hey,

583
00:35:23.239 --> 00:35:26.719
I've got a bigfoot messing around my property. I don't

584
00:35:26.719 --> 00:35:29.360
know what to do. Did you guys ever get pulled

585
00:35:29.400 --> 00:35:32.440
into anything like that or heard of anything similar?

586
00:35:32.559 --> 00:35:37.239
I never did, personally, I don't you know. There's a

587
00:35:37.239 --> 00:35:41.280
couple game troopers that really put in a lot of

588
00:35:41.320 --> 00:35:45.159
proactive work out in the woods. The crazy thing about

589
00:35:45.159 --> 00:35:48.440
OSP is like you can kind of be as proactive

590
00:35:48.480 --> 00:35:50.480
as you want depending on the area work in. Like,

591
00:35:50.519 --> 00:35:52.480
if you work in the Portland area, you're just responding

592
00:35:52.519 --> 00:35:53.760
to calls all the time. A lot of times you

593
00:35:53.800 --> 00:35:56.199
don't really have time to go be proactive and look

594
00:35:56.239 --> 00:36:01.880
for stuff, whereas a lot of more remote areas like

595
00:36:01.960 --> 00:36:05.400
John Day, you don't get a lot of calls for service,

596
00:36:05.440 --> 00:36:09.599
so you're really like itching to find something, so you

597
00:36:09.639 --> 00:36:12.519
are a lot more proactive trying to find things anyways.

598
00:36:13.639 --> 00:36:18.559
But I don't recall any stories from anyone or reports

599
00:36:18.599 --> 00:36:23.880
along those lines. If I saw something, I definitely wouldn't

600
00:36:23.920 --> 00:36:27.079
fall and report it to a state police agency, Like

601
00:36:27.920 --> 00:36:33.000
I would be more likely to tell my friends than

602
00:36:33.039 --> 00:36:38.280
I would to report it because there's a lot of

603
00:36:38.320 --> 00:36:41.239
I would say more people probably don't believe that Bigfit

604
00:36:41.320 --> 00:36:45.840
exists than there are people that do. Or maybe you

605
00:36:45.880 --> 00:36:49.320
won't say that you believe he exists, but you actually

606
00:36:49.360 --> 00:36:54.679
might believe a little bit. But I don't recall any reports,

607
00:36:55.760 --> 00:37:02.519
whether they were actually directed and live, or any reports

608
00:37:02.599 --> 00:37:05.920
that there were stories of. Like I used to train,

609
00:37:06.440 --> 00:37:10.599
I used to teach at the Academy for seven years

610
00:37:10.599 --> 00:37:13.440
of my career. I taught what's called defensive tactics. It's

611
00:37:13.480 --> 00:37:18.000
like hand in hand combatants and patrol tactics and a

612
00:37:18.039 --> 00:37:20.719
lot of scenario based stuff. And so there's a lot

613
00:37:20.800 --> 00:37:24.639
of different training groups where when you go to teach,

614
00:37:25.000 --> 00:37:28.599
you work with you know, twenty various different troopers at

615
00:37:28.599 --> 00:37:32.079
different times, and there's a lot of time for stories

616
00:37:32.119 --> 00:37:36.639
and shooting the crap and and just you know, venting

617
00:37:36.920 --> 00:37:39.960
or telling stories about what you had go on last week.

618
00:37:40.039 --> 00:37:43.199
And and I never had any stories like that pulled

619
00:37:43.199 --> 00:37:45.519
in those instances, but I would bet money that there

620
00:37:45.559 --> 00:37:49.239
are stories along those lines. I'm actually I'm really good

621
00:37:49.280 --> 00:37:51.039
friends with the trooper still that works down in the

622
00:37:51.119 --> 00:37:57.320
cous Bay area, and he lives and breathes hunting, and

623
00:37:57.360 --> 00:38:00.400
he's a fishing game trooper. So he started as patrol

624
00:38:00.440 --> 00:38:03.880
and he lateraled over to a fish and game spot

625
00:38:03.920 --> 00:38:05.440
and so now he's out in the woods all the

626
00:38:05.480 --> 00:38:10.800
time and friends with another trooper that's down in the

627
00:38:10.800 --> 00:38:14.400
Burns area, and he grew up hunting the Steams Mountain areas,

628
00:38:14.400 --> 00:38:18.639
which I've heard there's a lot of experiences down in

629
00:38:18.719 --> 00:38:20.760
the Steams if you've never been to the Steams just

630
00:38:20.800 --> 00:38:22.800
aside from Bigville, like it's one of the most beautiful

631
00:38:22.800 --> 00:38:29.159
places on earth. But as far as your studies and

632
00:38:29.360 --> 00:38:31.599
stories and investigations, that would be a cool place to

633
00:38:31.639 --> 00:38:36.000
look into. But I'm going to reach out to those

634
00:38:36.039 --> 00:38:38.840
guys and see if you know, if they haven't experienced anything,

635
00:38:38.880 --> 00:38:40.760
see if they've heard of anything, or if they've got

636
00:38:40.800 --> 00:38:45.440
stories or reports that they can speak on.

637
00:38:46.480 --> 00:38:51.760
I would imagine the individual over by Coos Bay US

638
00:38:52.039 --> 00:38:53.360
has some stuff.

639
00:38:53.800 --> 00:38:55.679
That are, oh, I'm sure bonkers.

640
00:38:56.360 --> 00:39:00.559
I've talked to a few few individuals in that is

641
00:39:00.639 --> 00:39:06.280
just is crazy for bigfoot stuff for some reason. So

642
00:39:07.039 --> 00:39:10.679
you've been referring to the videos on my page. A

643
00:39:10.719 --> 00:39:13.760
lot of listeners are going to be confused because they're

644
00:39:14.480 --> 00:39:17.800
not even aware of the TikTok side of Bigfoot Society.

645
00:39:17.840 --> 00:39:20.920
And yeah, we have a TikTok page, or I do,

646
00:39:21.000 --> 00:39:25.119
and that's where I put weird stuff out there. So

647
00:39:25.440 --> 00:39:27.360
if you're into that, if you want to hear weird

648
00:39:27.360 --> 00:39:31.039
stories about Oregon in addition to Bigfoot, check out. It's

649
00:39:31.039 --> 00:39:32.960
like Bigfoot dot Society on TikTok.

650
00:39:33.000 --> 00:39:33.599
You check it out.

651
00:39:33.639 --> 00:39:37.159
I'll put a link in the show notes anyways. But

652
00:39:37.239 --> 00:39:39.360
another this is a weird question to the side. But

653
00:39:39.599 --> 00:39:42.920
since you're familiar with the page and you've seen the

654
00:39:43.079 --> 00:39:46.000
stuff I've put out, I don't even know if you

655
00:39:46.119 --> 00:39:49.239
have any info regarding this. But is the stuff that

656
00:39:49.320 --> 00:39:53.519
people report about Wolf Creek do you think that's accurate

657
00:39:53.679 --> 00:39:57.119
or some of that might be blown out of proportion?

658
00:39:57.400 --> 00:39:59.559
I mean, do you know anything about that area at all.

659
00:40:01.639 --> 00:40:03.880
I'm not very familiar with the Wolf Creek area. I

660
00:40:03.880 --> 00:40:06.639
know that I saw one or two videos on your page.

661
00:40:07.599 --> 00:40:09.800
I scanned through your page a couple of times, mostly

662
00:40:09.840 --> 00:40:11.960
looking because you've got a lot of organ stuff on there,

663
00:40:12.000 --> 00:40:15.079
which is really cool. Yeah, and that's kind of what

664
00:40:15.159 --> 00:40:17.360
sucked me into that one, because like I saw your

665
00:40:17.360 --> 00:40:20.880
Subtle Lake video, commented on it, and then you responded

666
00:40:20.880 --> 00:40:22.639
fairly quickly. I was like, oh, that's cool. Like I

667
00:40:22.679 --> 00:40:27.800
don't often get interaction from from other pages I comment on,

668
00:40:27.840 --> 00:40:31.079
you know, especially I mean especially from the person himself.

669
00:40:33.079 --> 00:40:35.000
And so I dove into your page and I kind

670
00:40:35.000 --> 00:40:37.320
of scan past stuff that was in different states, just

671
00:40:37.360 --> 00:40:39.360
looking to see, like, what else is there an organ

672
00:40:39.400 --> 00:40:41.760
that he's that he's reported on, that you've reported on.

673
00:40:43.199 --> 00:40:47.639
And I'm not familiar with the Wolf Creek area though.

674
00:40:48.599 --> 00:40:51.519
Can you give me like a town that that's.

675
00:40:51.320 --> 00:40:55.360
Near It's it's it's like way it's over in the west,

676
00:40:55.519 --> 00:40:58.719
like it's right off I five, but it's kind of

677
00:40:58.760 --> 00:40:59.800
like north of Grant's.

678
00:41:02.400 --> 00:41:06.400
Okay, No, I mean Roseberg Grants past. I've heard that

679
00:41:06.440 --> 00:41:08.639
there's a lot of wild stuff, so that wouldn't surprise

680
00:41:08.719 --> 00:41:12.440
me at all. I know that Chiliquin, which is down

681
00:41:12.519 --> 00:41:16.760
ninety seven north of Klamath Falls, that's another area that

682
00:41:17.079 --> 00:41:20.280
is kind of like due east of what sounds like

683
00:41:20.280 --> 00:41:25.119
the area you're talking about that. I mean, I would

684
00:41:25.199 --> 00:41:29.599
think those areas would be stocked full of crazy stories.

685
00:41:31.079 --> 00:41:35.760
I've patrolled down. So I've patrolled Central Oregon from September

686
00:41:35.800 --> 00:41:42.119
twenty seventeen until I was actually I was placed on

687
00:41:42.239 --> 00:41:47.280
leave with OSP in September of twenty twenty one. I

688
00:41:47.360 --> 00:41:50.360
spoke out against the mandates for COVID and that's what

689
00:41:52.840 --> 00:41:55.119
that's the reason I left OSP. I was actually let

690
00:41:55.159 --> 00:41:58.119
go from OSP because I've voiced out against the mandates

691
00:41:58.119 --> 00:42:02.920
and the social media video and so that would be

692
00:42:03.880 --> 00:42:07.800
four years time that I patrolled Highway ninety seven and

693
00:42:07.880 --> 00:42:10.639
my first year in Central organ I was stationed. I

694
00:42:10.679 --> 00:42:13.920
was assigned to the Lapine office, which is an outpost

695
00:42:13.960 --> 00:42:19.800
of the Bend Area Command, and September of twenty eighteen,

696
00:42:19.920 --> 00:42:22.800
I literally just traded spots with a trooper and Bend

697
00:42:22.800 --> 00:42:26.880
and we traded radio numbers and but for that year,

698
00:42:27.679 --> 00:42:33.000
I patrolled a lot south of the Pine, and I

699
00:42:33.039 --> 00:42:36.920
got quite a few calls back off the beaten path.

700
00:42:37.039 --> 00:42:39.159
And what's crazy to me, Like, I mean, I grew

701
00:42:39.199 --> 00:42:41.119
up in a small town area where I know, like

702
00:42:41.199 --> 00:42:44.440
Granite and Sumter and a lot of these little towns

703
00:42:44.440 --> 00:42:46.920
that are kind of back in the woods that I mean,

704
00:42:47.000 --> 00:42:49.199
you'd never know they exist if you just drove some

705
00:42:49.280 --> 00:42:54.800
of these main highways. But such a busy highway like

706
00:42:54.840 --> 00:42:58.840
Highway ninety seven, the typical person just kind of drives

707
00:42:58.840 --> 00:43:02.760
from point A to point B. It was cool getting

708
00:43:02.800 --> 00:43:07.119
to work as a trooper and even though you're patrol,

709
00:43:07.199 --> 00:43:09.239
like a lot of people see the Oregon State Police

710
00:43:09.320 --> 00:43:13.920
as highway patrol, but it's much different than I would

711
00:43:13.920 --> 00:43:18.880
say nine out of ten or ninety percent of the

712
00:43:19.000 --> 00:43:24.599
other highway patrol state agencies where OSP you have a

713
00:43:24.639 --> 00:43:29.280
lot of freedom to go patrol county roadways and city streets.

714
00:43:29.320 --> 00:43:31.159
And I actually when I was stationed at Bend for

715
00:43:31.199 --> 00:43:32.880
the three years that I was stationed out of the

716
00:43:32.880 --> 00:43:35.840
Area Command Bend, I patrolled in town a lot because

717
00:43:35.840 --> 00:43:39.360
I enjoyed hunting for duise and getting drunk people off

718
00:43:39.360 --> 00:43:43.760
the road, and so I patrolled areas where drunk people frequented,

719
00:43:43.840 --> 00:43:48.159
like bars and clubs and and but I really enjoyed

720
00:43:50.199 --> 00:43:54.519
on a not so rare occasion, I would go south

721
00:43:54.559 --> 00:43:56.360
of La Pine or like when I worked in John Day,

722
00:43:56.360 --> 00:44:00.559
I'd venture way out near Sumter and south past Oregon

723
00:44:00.639 --> 00:44:03.639
down into the Sylvie's area, and I would go back

724
00:44:03.679 --> 00:44:06.360
several miles on dirt roads. As long as I was

725
00:44:06.360 --> 00:44:12.840
in radio connectivity, I'd go way off the beaten paths

726
00:44:12.880 --> 00:44:17.079
just to explore. And it's exciting but kind of eerie

727
00:44:18.039 --> 00:44:23.360
the number of houses that live off the land. And

728
00:44:23.440 --> 00:44:26.880
like I mean, I would love to go live off

729
00:44:26.880 --> 00:44:28.599
the land and be kind of a homesteader out in

730
00:44:28.599 --> 00:44:32.039
the middle of nowhere, But there's a lot of people

731
00:44:32.079 --> 00:44:34.079
that are perfectly saying and just want to be away.

732
00:44:34.119 --> 00:44:39.000
But there's a lot of kind of eerie, crazy people

733
00:44:39.559 --> 00:44:42.000
that live out in these places. And when I think

734
00:44:42.039 --> 00:44:44.320
about like Chiliquin and what sounds like the Wolf Creek

735
00:44:44.360 --> 00:44:47.440
area is and off the path, you know, I would

736
00:44:47.440 --> 00:44:51.079
say between Highway ninety seven and Interstate five, between like

737
00:44:51.239 --> 00:44:54.800
Roseberg and Chiliquin and Grants Pass it area like where

738
00:44:54.800 --> 00:44:56.320
a Crater Lake is. I've heard there's a lot of

739
00:44:56.320 --> 00:45:00.159
wild stuff out near Crater Lake and Diamond Lake, and

740
00:45:01.039 --> 00:45:06.639
there's a lot of crazy stuff that you see out there.

741
00:45:06.719 --> 00:45:08.280
And I can't tell you how many times I would

742
00:45:08.280 --> 00:45:09.559
be out in the middle of nowhere and I just

743
00:45:09.559 --> 00:45:13.079
pull off the road and they could breather, eat a

744
00:45:13.119 --> 00:45:15.840
power bar, you out and stretch my legs, you know,

745
00:45:15.880 --> 00:45:17.760
and then all of a sudden, someone would I'm walking

746
00:45:17.840 --> 00:45:20.920
up from the middle from absolutely nowhere and you're and

747
00:45:21.360 --> 00:45:24.679
scare the crap out of you, you know. And several

748
00:45:24.679 --> 00:45:27.239
times even on the highway where I'm out in remote

749
00:45:27.280 --> 00:45:29.760
middle of nowhere on a state highway or a state route,

750
00:45:30.440 --> 00:45:33.639
and I always cracked my window, took my seat belt off,

751
00:45:34.199 --> 00:45:36.480
just kind of safety precautions, so if there was someone

752
00:45:36.519 --> 00:45:37.880
that walked up, I could be out of my car

753
00:45:38.000 --> 00:45:39.760
quickly and kind of be in a position of a

754
00:45:39.800 --> 00:45:44.079
little more control than being stuck in like a little

755
00:45:44.199 --> 00:45:46.840
fatal position kind of as I can't remember the exact

756
00:45:46.920 --> 00:45:49.199
terminology we used, but like being stuck in your car,

757
00:45:49.920 --> 00:45:53.039
you're like a magnet for bad things to happen because

758
00:45:53.039 --> 00:45:56.400
you can't move, you can't react very well. And so

759
00:45:56.519 --> 00:45:59.559
oftentimes I would either crack my window or like open

760
00:45:59.639 --> 00:46:01.519
my door just enough where I could stick my foot

761
00:46:01.559 --> 00:46:03.719
out on the ground and the door wasn't swung all

762
00:46:03.719 --> 00:46:05.320
the way open, but just cracked open, you know, so

763
00:46:05.320 --> 00:46:07.719
I could step out if I needed to. I can

764
00:46:07.760 --> 00:46:10.400
tell you how many times just people would randomly walk

765
00:46:10.480 --> 00:46:14.800
up to you in the middle of nowhere, miles from anything, and.

766
00:46:18.480 --> 00:46:22.880
Yeah, would they be would they be like hikers or

767
00:46:23.039 --> 00:46:26.079
just just dressed up?

768
00:46:26.079 --> 00:46:29.239
All kinds of people. I mean, not like not like

769
00:46:29.360 --> 00:46:33.800
dressed up, but like, yeah, I've been and there's been

770
00:46:33.840 --> 00:46:35.599
times I was caught off guard, Like you let your

771
00:46:35.599 --> 00:46:40.400
guard down, you get kind of complacent. And I'd be

772
00:46:40.440 --> 00:46:42.039
sitting in the middle of nowhere and all in the

773
00:46:42.039 --> 00:46:43.960
middle of the night, like like I said, I worked

774
00:46:44.039 --> 00:46:45.639
the late shift where and all of a sudden there's

775
00:46:45.639 --> 00:46:47.960
a knock on my passenger window and you just about

776
00:46:48.039 --> 00:46:50.679
mess your pants, you know, and jump out of your car.

777
00:46:50.719 --> 00:46:52.760
They're like, hey, sorry, sorry, I was just I broke

778
00:46:52.800 --> 00:46:56.280
down down the road, and man, it gets the heart going.

779
00:46:56.440 --> 00:46:58.639
It's it's a good wake up call, Like dude, I

780
00:46:58.920 --> 00:47:00.960
gotta like take my I was out of my phone,

781
00:47:01.239 --> 00:47:06.840
or like I need to be more aware now. It

782
00:47:06.880 --> 00:47:11.280
was all kinds of different people. There was, Yeah, I've

783
00:47:11.320 --> 00:47:13.480
had my heart restarted several times.

784
00:47:14.639 --> 00:47:20.119
I get a lot of interesting things sent to me

785
00:47:20.599 --> 00:47:24.880
or hey, did you hear about this? And from what

786
00:47:25.039 --> 00:47:27.760
it sounds like in I don't know if this is

787
00:47:27.800 --> 00:47:32.440
anything you ever ran into, but I mean that area.

788
00:47:32.559 --> 00:47:37.239
Are there a ton of missing people that go missing

789
00:47:37.519 --> 00:47:40.760
in that area as well? Especially like Lane County or

790
00:47:40.880 --> 00:47:42.920
you know, kind of I guess if you would call

791
00:47:42.960 --> 00:47:44.360
that central Oregon.

792
00:47:46.760 --> 00:47:51.280
That's considered Western organ Okay, there's a little bit of

793
00:47:51.360 --> 00:47:54.480
Lane County that bleeds kind of to this side of

794
00:47:55.000 --> 00:47:57.320
Lane or Land County. I can't remember that kind of

795
00:47:57.360 --> 00:48:00.840
bleeds to this side of the Cascade Mountains. But yeah,

796
00:48:00.880 --> 00:48:03.800
if you look at a map of Oregon, you have

797
00:48:05.400 --> 00:48:11.559
I think it's I think it's Gilham County, Jefferson County

798
00:48:11.679 --> 00:48:15.519
to Shoots County, Klamath County north to south. The west

799
00:48:15.639 --> 00:48:19.320
border of those counties is basically along the Cascade Mountain range.

800
00:48:19.719 --> 00:48:22.519
Anything west of that is considered Western Oregon. Anything east

801
00:48:22.559 --> 00:48:25.920
of that is essentially Eastern Organ and Western Oregon is wet.

802
00:48:26.159 --> 00:48:29.280
Eastern Organ is dry. It's the high desert. But there's

803
00:48:29.320 --> 00:48:31.920
a lot of forested mountainous areas that people don't know exist,

804
00:48:32.119 --> 00:48:34.599
Like you think a lot of people think organ's either

805
00:48:35.559 --> 00:48:41.519
wet or desert if you venture to kind of northeastern

806
00:48:41.639 --> 00:48:45.719
Northeastern too, like central eastern Oregon. There's a lot of

807
00:48:45.840 --> 00:48:54.199
beautiful blue mountains, greenery. It's a beautiful area. But I

808
00:48:54.559 --> 00:48:57.079
don't know that I would be able to say that

809
00:48:57.199 --> 00:49:01.599
there's more missing persons in that area and any other

810
00:49:01.679 --> 00:49:04.000
part of the state. Maybe people. I think people just

811
00:49:04.039 --> 00:49:07.159
probably hear about it more because that's a much more

812
00:49:07.199 --> 00:49:09.480
populated part of the state. The western side of the

813
00:49:09.480 --> 00:49:12.960
state is way more populated. That's where like you have Portland,

814
00:49:12.960 --> 00:49:16.480
you have Beavertaone, Salem, Eugene, like all the bigger cities

815
00:49:17.880 --> 00:49:21.360
are on the western side of the state. Gotcha.

816
00:49:21.440 --> 00:49:23.400
Yeah, that makes sense. And it's kind of like bigfoot

817
00:49:23.440 --> 00:49:25.079
sightings too, you know, in order to have a big

818
00:49:25.119 --> 00:49:27.360
foot sighting, you have to have people so that they

819
00:49:27.400 --> 00:49:31.480
can report what was seen, so that that makes sense.

820
00:49:31.639 --> 00:49:36.039
But well, and a lot there's and like growing up

821
00:49:36.079 --> 00:49:38.079
in John Day, we always hated we called them Portland

822
00:49:38.159 --> 00:49:41.639
hunters or California hunters. Like there's a lot of people

823
00:49:41.639 --> 00:49:44.039
from California and the western side of the state that

824
00:49:44.280 --> 00:49:47.239
comes to eastern Oregon. It was published in a magazine

825
00:49:47.239 --> 00:49:49.920
several years ago that the Grant County area was one

826
00:49:49.960 --> 00:49:52.199
of the most concentrated areas of elk in the nation,

827
00:49:52.960 --> 00:49:56.159
and hunting just blew up in that area. And there's

828
00:49:56.199 --> 00:49:58.360
lots of stories like there's a lot of wild horses

829
00:49:58.360 --> 00:50:01.400
out in that area too, and stories of people driving

830
00:50:01.400 --> 00:50:04.000
through town with a horse in the back of their truck,

831
00:50:04.119 --> 00:50:09.000
like thinking it's an elk, and people with beer in

832
00:50:09.039 --> 00:50:10.719
the back of their truck that they hadn't even got

833
00:50:10.840 --> 00:50:12.480
it or skinned, which I mean, the meat is going

834
00:50:12.519 --> 00:50:13.800
to be no good by the time they get back

835
00:50:13.800 --> 00:50:18.519
to wherever they're going. And that's that's more so why

836
00:50:18.599 --> 00:50:22.000
we as I say we like Eastern organ folks, like

837
00:50:22.119 --> 00:50:26.079
why we kind of dislike or have an edge towards

838
00:50:26.360 --> 00:50:30.639
the Portland hunters quote or like the California hunters because

839
00:50:30.679 --> 00:50:33.800
it's usually like no fault to you, Like I love

840
00:50:33.800 --> 00:50:35.320
that you get into it, but know what you're doing

841
00:50:36.000 --> 00:50:37.800
if you're going to get into hunting, like if you

842
00:50:37.800 --> 00:50:40.719
want to get into conservation and hunting and feed your family,

843
00:50:40.880 --> 00:50:44.119
like at least know what you're shooting, you know, And

844
00:50:44.880 --> 00:50:47.199
I mean I've seen a horse in the back of

845
00:50:47.199 --> 00:50:49.719
a pickup going through down because they shot a horse

846
00:50:49.760 --> 00:50:53.920
think it was a cow elk goods. Yeah, it's crazy.

847
00:50:54.039 --> 00:50:58.159
And they shoot cows like there's been cows that the

848
00:50:58.280 --> 00:51:00.360
rancher will come out and be like what the heck, Oh,

849
00:51:00.360 --> 00:51:06.960
I've got an elk, you know and cow? Yeah, yeah, yeah,

850
00:51:07.039 --> 00:51:09.400
that stuff happens, and they actually think they shot an elk,

851
00:51:09.440 --> 00:51:11.000
which I mean, you kind of feel bad for them,

852
00:51:11.039 --> 00:51:12.360
but you want to just like pick them up and

853
00:51:12.400 --> 00:51:14.280
shake them and be like, I know what you're doing,

854
00:51:14.320 --> 00:51:17.920
you know. I mean there's a lot of people that

855
00:51:17.960 --> 00:51:20.400
get shot too, because and that's I'm not going to

856
00:51:20.440 --> 00:51:23.599
say that's just Portland or Valley hunters or California hunters. Like,

857
00:51:23.639 --> 00:51:26.599
there's a lot of people that, you know, they see

858
00:51:26.639 --> 00:51:29.239
movement and that's why the hunter orange thing became a thing.

859
00:51:29.320 --> 00:51:33.360
Like my family grew up wearing blue jeans and red

860
00:51:33.360 --> 00:51:37.280
and black plaid flannel shirts hunting, you know. And like

861
00:51:37.400 --> 00:51:39.599
my brother in law, who grew up in Prairie City

862
00:51:39.639 --> 00:51:41.760
and is an avid hunter, like their family always wore

863
00:51:41.840 --> 00:51:44.760
camo and I shot a six point bowl when I

864
00:51:44.760 --> 00:51:48.559
was in high school. I was wearing a red air

865
00:51:48.599 --> 00:51:54.320
Apostle zipperd hooty and blue jeans. And I got butin

866
00:51:54.400 --> 00:51:56.199
sixty yards of this elk and it didn't even know

867
00:51:56.239 --> 00:51:57.719
I was there, and I shot at with the rifle

868
00:51:57.800 --> 00:52:00.159
and and you know, it's a pretty nice ball. It's

869
00:52:00.199 --> 00:52:02.760
not a trophy by any means. But you know, there's

870
00:52:02.760 --> 00:52:04.039
a lot of people that are like, oh, you gotta

871
00:52:04.039 --> 00:52:05.960
have camo and this and that. But like, one thing

872
00:52:06.000 --> 00:52:09.480
you definitely do not do is where like brown car

873
00:52:09.519 --> 00:52:13.880
hearts or like a tan jacket, or there are people

874
00:52:13.880 --> 00:52:16.280
that will just see a color and shoot at it.

875
00:52:16.559 --> 00:52:18.039
And there was a guy on a four wheeler just

876
00:52:18.079 --> 00:52:19.679
a few years ago. They got shot like in the

877
00:52:19.760 --> 00:52:23.360
ankle because someone from a distance saw something moving and

878
00:52:23.400 --> 00:52:25.320
they shot at it. And it was a guy riding

879
00:52:25.360 --> 00:52:26.599
a four wheeler through the trees.

880
00:52:27.719 --> 00:52:34.039
Oh wow, Oh my goodness, this is some crazy, crazy stuff, Ethan.

881
00:52:34.119 --> 00:52:39.800
It has been such an interesting conversation, especially from your

882
00:52:40.320 --> 00:52:45.719
viewpoint of your background of being law enforcement in these

883
00:52:45.760 --> 00:52:48.280
areas of Oregon. I just want to say thank you

884
00:52:47.800 --> 00:52:52.840
for coming forward and for sharing what you experienced. You know,

885
00:52:53.280 --> 00:53:00.559
before we do head out, if there are also other,

886
00:53:01.599 --> 00:53:04.239
you know, individuals that are listening that that might be

887
00:53:05.280 --> 00:53:10.519
some form of of law enforcement, but they also have

888
00:53:10.679 --> 00:53:16.880
had a Bigfoot experience. Do you have any any words

889
00:53:16.880 --> 00:53:20.559
for them why it might be important for them to

890
00:53:21.159 --> 00:53:26.039
share what they've experienced, or or any advice regarding that.

891
00:53:28.360 --> 00:53:31.960
I mean, there's a lot of people that explore the forest.

892
00:53:32.039 --> 00:53:35.039
There's a lot of hunters, and a lot of these

893
00:53:35.079 --> 00:53:39.519
stories stop with either the person or like the few

894
00:53:39.519 --> 00:53:42.800
people that they tell about it. And I mean, I think,

895
00:53:43.320 --> 00:53:48.800
I think Bigfoot exists. I'm very convinced that exists, Like

896
00:53:48.880 --> 00:53:54.679
there wouldn't be cave paintings and sightings all over like

897
00:53:54.880 --> 00:53:58.159
not not just the Pacific Northwest, but like all over

898
00:53:58.199 --> 00:54:04.400
the nation. And I mean there's I think that yetty exists.

899
00:54:04.440 --> 00:54:06.639
I think it's just a version of a sasquatch, you know,

900
00:54:06.880 --> 00:54:11.000
like over in Malayas, Like I think there are I

901
00:54:11.039 --> 00:54:16.000
mean they find creatures and rainforests and in the ocean

902
00:54:16.760 --> 00:54:21.280
and regular forested areas that haven't been documented yet all

903
00:54:21.320 --> 00:54:24.639
the time. So, like you think about how smart a

904
00:54:24.719 --> 00:54:28.519
human being is, I think we've gotten a lot dumber

905
00:54:28.519 --> 00:54:31.519
over time. I mean there's a lot of geniuses out there,

906
00:54:31.519 --> 00:54:33.400
but I think as a whole, human beings have gotten

907
00:54:33.440 --> 00:54:35.800
kind of dumbed down because of technology and our reliance

908
00:54:35.840 --> 00:54:41.400
on different things, And I mean, I see no reason

909
00:54:41.440 --> 00:54:46.719
why there couldn't be something that's very brilliant, like we

910
00:54:46.760 --> 00:54:49.360
are just in its own way and able to avoid

911
00:54:49.440 --> 00:54:53.440
being sighted. But I don't see why people seeing them

912
00:54:53.519 --> 00:54:55.480
is such a crazy thing. And so like if you

913
00:54:55.599 --> 00:54:58.559
have seen them, like it's no risk to your job

914
00:54:58.679 --> 00:55:01.360
to talk about it. Like I would love for other

915
00:55:02.119 --> 00:55:05.400
just law enforcement personnel or like military personnel in general,

916
00:55:05.440 --> 00:55:09.800
to reach out to you and tell their stories, because

917
00:55:09.880 --> 00:55:13.280
like there's obviously groups of people that go out and

918
00:55:13.320 --> 00:55:16.719
search for this and research Sasquatch, and there's the TV

919
00:55:16.800 --> 00:55:21.239
shows made on it, and like the Hairy Man in Alaska,

920
00:55:21.320 --> 00:55:24.320
Like I think that's just Sasquatch or in their form

921
00:55:24.360 --> 00:55:29.840
of or a relative or whatever. And I mean they

922
00:55:29.880 --> 00:55:38.440
find they find like seashells on mountaintops and like fossils

923
00:55:38.440 --> 00:55:40.840
of seashells on mountaintops all the time, which means there

924
00:55:40.840 --> 00:55:45.440
was water there at one point. And like the world's changed,

925
00:55:45.719 --> 00:55:48.960
and I believe that all continents were gonna look they

926
00:55:48.960 --> 00:55:51.119
look like puzzle pieces to me, So why wouldn't they

927
00:55:51.159 --> 00:55:54.519
be interconnected at some point? And or what they call

928
00:55:56.880 --> 00:55:59.000
what they call that where they think all the continents

929
00:55:59.000 --> 00:56:04.719
were connected. What was that Panga andieah, yeah, yeah, I'm like,

930
00:56:05.280 --> 00:56:07.159
you know, they look like puzzle pieces that broke apart

931
00:56:07.159 --> 00:56:09.280
at one point, so why wouldn't they yet he also

932
00:56:09.320 --> 00:56:12.920
be related to sasquatch from from some ancient time, you know.

933
00:56:13.079 --> 00:56:18.159
And and there's an area that's really intrigued to me

934
00:56:18.280 --> 00:56:21.039
that's down south of jhn Tura, Oregon, where it's like

935
00:56:21.119 --> 00:56:23.159
super super deep canyons. I think it's one of the

936
00:56:23.159 --> 00:56:27.920
biggest canyon systems, second or third to the Grand Canyon,

937
00:56:28.559 --> 00:56:31.559
that is so remote and difficult to get to. Like

938
00:56:31.960 --> 00:56:33.840
if so many, if so few people have gone there,

939
00:56:33.880 --> 00:56:35.519
who knows what many animals are in there that we

940
00:56:35.559 --> 00:56:38.639
haven't documented. I've wanted to be able to find the

941
00:56:38.679 --> 00:56:41.800
time to go fly a drone down there at minimum

942
00:56:42.159 --> 00:56:44.119
and fly into the canyon and see what I can

943
00:56:44.159 --> 00:56:48.119
get video out of. And like they talk about these

944
00:56:48.159 --> 00:56:52.199
government areas of the Grand Canyon that are closed off

945
00:56:52.239 --> 00:56:55.000
because of supposed giants and these caves and things that

946
00:56:55.039 --> 00:56:58.000
are in the caves, and I mean they've found bone

947
00:56:58.039 --> 00:57:01.000
structures of giants, So why couldn't there be sasquad out there?

948
00:57:01.039 --> 00:57:03.840
And why not talk about it if you've seen it

949
00:57:04.400 --> 00:57:07.639
or experience Like for me, I didn't see it, but

950
00:57:07.679 --> 00:57:11.760
I'm pretty dang sure it was something that was very brilliant,

951
00:57:12.199 --> 00:57:16.119
very smart in its own way, that survived for however long,

952
00:57:16.480 --> 00:57:18.800
that knew to stay back in the trees just enough

953
00:57:19.440 --> 00:57:21.840
and communicated in its own way to whatever it was

954
00:57:21.880 --> 00:57:25.280
down near the water hole that I hunted. And I

955
00:57:25.280 --> 00:57:27.679
mean it was very obvious they were communicating back and forth.

956
00:57:27.719 --> 00:57:32.679
They knew what was being communicated. You know. I kind

957
00:57:32.679 --> 00:57:34.440
of liked to think it was like an adult that

958
00:57:34.559 --> 00:57:37.119
was near us that was communicating down to something less

959
00:57:37.119 --> 00:57:41.000
experienced or younger or that whatever, you know, this thing

960
00:57:41.079 --> 00:57:43.719
up here and had to protect that. It was telling it, hey,

961
00:57:43.880 --> 00:57:47.599
move along, quietly, keep moving? Are you moving? Keep going?

962
00:57:47.639 --> 00:57:51.159
You know, communicating back and forth, and then dead silence.

963
00:57:51.239 --> 00:57:53.559
So who knows if it even moved from the from

964
00:57:53.599 --> 00:57:56.880
the place that it was standing when we finally decided

965
00:57:56.920 --> 00:58:00.360
to be brave or dumb, whatever you want to to

966
00:58:00.400 --> 00:58:05.119
go get our memory cards. No, I see no reason

967
00:58:05.559 --> 00:58:07.239
not to talk about it, because who cares what other

968
00:58:07.280 --> 00:58:10.599
people think? Like, you're not, especially as a law enforcement officer,

969
00:58:10.599 --> 00:58:14.920
You're not gonna lose your job. Talking about Bigfoot. Absolutely,

970
00:58:14.960 --> 00:58:16.960
I'm forgotten about other dumb stuff.

971
00:58:17.039 --> 00:58:19.639
But right would you ever want to have a sighting

972
00:58:19.679 --> 00:58:20.840
yourself one day?

973
00:58:20.920 --> 00:58:25.880
You think, Oh yeah, I mean I think it would

974
00:58:25.920 --> 00:58:30.280
be awesome to see it. You know, I have four kids,

975
00:58:30.440 --> 00:58:33.400
and I'm you know, starting a business right now, and

976
00:58:33.480 --> 00:58:38.679
so I'm extremely busy. So I would love to find

977
00:58:38.760 --> 00:58:41.440
time in my life to go, Like I said, you

978
00:58:41.440 --> 00:58:44.599
know that big canyon system near Gentura, or just as

979
00:58:44.639 --> 00:58:46.880
simple as the area that I've hunted growing up, or

980
00:58:47.039 --> 00:58:49.760
this area that I bear hunt like, I would love

981
00:58:49.800 --> 00:58:51.519
to have a weekend where I just grab a buddy

982
00:58:51.559 --> 00:58:53.559
of mine who I know can shoot well if we

983
00:58:53.639 --> 00:58:55.880
need to, you know, but to go spend a weekend

984
00:58:55.920 --> 00:59:00.079
and just back back in and listen and look and

985
00:59:00.440 --> 00:59:03.559
aside from it being really intriguing to me, I mean,

986
00:59:03.599 --> 00:59:05.559
it's really good for you just to get out and

987
00:59:05.639 --> 00:59:11.480
breathe and there. But I'm sure it would freak me

988
00:59:11.559 --> 00:59:17.280
out if I saw it. But I mean there's that

989
00:59:17.719 --> 00:59:19.960
saying that's overused. I think you only let it once.

990
00:59:20.039 --> 00:59:23.400
So why not go try to see things? Even if

991
00:59:23.400 --> 00:59:25.280
you're not looking for Bickfitt. Just go try to see Elk.

992
00:59:25.360 --> 00:59:27.519
Try to see animals, deer or bear or whatever it is,

993
00:59:28.199 --> 00:59:29.800
you know, but I think it'd be awesome, you know,

994
00:59:29.840 --> 00:59:33.960
I think that I think people going missing could be

995
00:59:33.960 --> 00:59:36.400
because of sasquatch. You know, maybe they come across something

996
00:59:36.480 --> 00:59:40.079
or see it and like it takes you out. Maybe

997
00:59:40.079 --> 00:59:44.360
it doesn't, I don't know, but I see no reason

998
00:59:44.400 --> 00:59:45.880
not to go look for it. If I ever find

999
00:59:45.880 --> 00:59:47.559
time in my life, I would love to go spend

1000
00:59:47.559 --> 00:59:50.880
weeks at a time and just explore and try to

1001
00:59:50.920 --> 00:59:54.119
find them, you know, M or her or they them whatever.

1002
00:59:55.760 --> 01:00:02.840
Absolutely exactly. I hope someday you're able to get that opportunity.

1003
01:00:02.840 --> 01:00:05.679
But Ethan, thank you so much for coming on the

1004
01:00:05.760 --> 01:00:07.920
show and for sharing well.

1005
01:00:07.920 --> 01:00:10.360
And if you ever get an itch to go explore

1006
01:00:10.440 --> 01:00:13.639
that eastern Organ area or even this area in central Organ.

1007
01:00:14.199 --> 01:00:17.440
I look for any excuse to get out. And I

1008
01:00:17.480 --> 01:00:21.679
mean I've given many different friends info to my hunting areas,

1009
01:00:21.679 --> 01:00:23.280
you know, to the point of dropping and pain on

1010
01:00:23.280 --> 01:00:24.719
a map. Hey, this is where I want to hunt.

1011
01:00:24.760 --> 01:00:26.079
I'm not going to get to this year. Go check

1012
01:00:26.079 --> 01:00:27.320
it out so you can get an elk. You know,

1013
01:00:27.440 --> 01:00:29.159
like there's a lot of hunters that are like, no,

1014
01:00:29.280 --> 01:00:31.679
that's my spot. I'm not telling anyone, but you know,

1015
01:00:31.800 --> 01:00:34.360
beyond that, if you ever want to go explore that area,

1016
01:00:36.119 --> 01:00:37.719
if you I don't know if you do, but if

1017
01:00:37.719 --> 01:00:40.159
you ever, if you do, actually go out and try

1018
01:00:40.199 --> 01:00:42.960
to investigate and get out and camp and whatever. Dude,

1019
01:00:43.000 --> 01:00:45.880
I'd love to take you out and grab a buddy

1020
01:00:45.960 --> 01:00:49.639
or two and go explore and walk a few miles

1021
01:00:49.679 --> 01:00:55.280
and have a campfire and tell stories and and make video.

1022
01:00:55.400 --> 01:00:59.119
Whatever it be. Any excuse to get out in the woods,

1023
01:00:59.559 --> 01:01:02.440
I said, I've got four kiddos and I have a

1024
01:01:02.480 --> 01:01:04.400
small farm with some cows that I take care of.

1025
01:01:04.480 --> 01:01:07.400
But any excuse to get out and be in nature

1026
01:01:07.480 --> 01:01:10.440
is awesome, And especially if it's someone that has similar

1027
01:01:10.440 --> 01:01:13.639
interests and the fact that you travel around to get

1028
01:01:13.679 --> 01:01:16.119
the kind of search for this stuff and hear stories.

1029
01:01:16.159 --> 01:01:19.320
And I could probably wrote at least Pete into telling

1030
01:01:19.320 --> 01:01:22.840
you his story firsthand. And there's another story of a

1031
01:01:22.840 --> 01:01:28.039
guy out in that area that's pretty He's a reasonable guy.

1032
01:01:28.079 --> 01:01:31.159
He's not a crazy dude, you know. And but I

1033
01:01:31.159 --> 01:01:33.880
didn't tell his story because it does sound kind of goofy.

1034
01:01:33.920 --> 01:01:38.239
But I could possibly seek if you could play Snodia.

1035
01:01:38.760 --> 01:01:45.360
He supposedly saw Bigfoot himself. But I know very little

1036
01:01:45.360 --> 01:01:47.280
detailed about that story. I know. I just know that

1037
01:01:47.440 --> 01:01:48.800
story is very well known over there.

1038
01:01:49.079 --> 01:01:49.920
Okay, gotcha.

1039
01:01:50.679 --> 01:01:53.559
So that would be cool to be able to maybe

1040
01:01:53.639 --> 01:01:56.280
arrange I sit down with a couple of these people

1041
01:01:56.360 --> 01:01:58.440
for you, but even just going out and exploring would

1042
01:01:58.440 --> 01:01:58.760
be cool.

1043
01:01:59.239 --> 01:02:02.519
Well, it's a very nice offer. I appreciate it. I'll

1044
01:02:02.519 --> 01:02:05.039
definitely keep it in mind. You never know what will happen,

1045
01:02:05.159 --> 01:02:08.559
but you know, yeah, Ethan has been Uh, it's been

1046
01:02:08.599 --> 01:02:13.960
real fun chatting with you tonight about different experiences around

1047
01:02:14.039 --> 01:02:17.599
Oregon and definitely, you know, keep in touch if anything

1048
01:02:17.599 --> 01:02:20.400
else happens in the future, if you hear anything, you know,

1049
01:02:20.440 --> 01:02:21.719
we'd love to hear from you again.

1050
01:02:23.159 --> 01:02:29.719
Well, do I appreciate your time. Hi.

1051
01:02:30.079 --> 01:02:34.360
My name is Manny Guerrero from South Jersey and I

1052
01:02:34.519 --> 01:02:37.800
just heard your latest podcast. I believe his name is

1053
01:02:37.880 --> 01:02:43.599
Jacob the Pine Bearings and I had an encounter what

1054
01:02:43.679 --> 01:02:47.679
I believe was shut Squats in nineteen eighty seven. I

1055
01:02:47.719 --> 01:02:50.840
believe in pay for a township that's where I grew

1056
01:02:50.920 --> 01:02:56.519
up at. Yeah, I had my local boy scout that

1057
01:02:56.760 --> 01:03:00.840
was in We had a out we can't camp or

1058
01:03:01.800 --> 01:03:05.679
a dad's place. And like I said, we lived in

1059
01:03:05.679 --> 01:03:12.320
the woods for township and that's connected two. Well, it's

1060
01:03:12.360 --> 01:03:16.840
like twenty miles from Mom the West Park on Arma Road,

1061
01:03:17.360 --> 01:03:21.280
so it's real close. Yeah, give me a call.

1062
01:03:21.719 --> 01:03:22.000
Thanks.

1063
01:03:23.079 --> 01:03:25.599
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1064
01:03:25.599 --> 01:03:29.000
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1065
01:03:29.039 --> 01:03:32.400
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1066
01:03:32.559 --> 01:03:33.880
So I wanted to take a minute to say thank

1067
01:03:33.880 --> 01:03:36.519
you for listening to this episode of the Bigfoot Society Podcast.

1068
01:03:36.599 --> 01:03:38.679
Ethan's story is one of those that stays with you,

1069
01:03:39.519 --> 01:03:41.360
not just because of the whoops and the knox, but

1070
01:03:41.400 --> 01:03:43.400
because of the silence that followed and what might have

1071
01:03:43.440 --> 01:03:46.199
been watching them from the trees. So huge thanks to

1072
01:03:46.199 --> 01:03:49.239
Ethan for service and for sharing those powerful first hand

1073
01:03:49.239 --> 01:03:52.119
accounts from the woods of eastern Oregon. If you enjoy

1074
01:03:52.159 --> 01:03:54.760
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1077
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1082
01:04:13.679 --> 01:04:15.360
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1083
01:04:15.400 --> 01:04:20.480
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1084
01:04:20.599 --> 01:04:22.519
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1085
01:04:22.519 --> 01:04:25.559
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1086
01:04:25.639 --> 01:04:28.440
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1087
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1091
01:04:42.119 --> 01:04:44.559
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1092
01:04:44.599 --> 01:04:47.400
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1093
01:04:47.519 --> 01:04:49.639
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1094
01:04:49.639 --> 01:04:50.079
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