"It wasn't just looking in our direction, it was looking right at us! / Hieronymus Thermal

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time so far, so let's get
on with the show, all right,

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Big for Society. You've got the
privilege of talking to Austin Brown tonight.

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He is from the great state of
California and a mutual friend through te Horonymous.

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How's it going tonight, Austin,
It's going pretty good. Jeremiah doing

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even better now, thank you.
Oh yeah, it's a pleasure to have

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you on. I've been trying to
chat with you for quite a while since

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your name comes up in a few
different things. You've been seeing in a

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documentary or two maybe, but you've
got some really interesting stories. So just

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very very pleased to talk to you
tonight. Is there anything else that the

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listeners would need to know about you
before we get going Austin? Oh,

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thank you so much. No.
I just so appreciate your patience and your

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persistence. You've been very patient with
me, and I have been giving it

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back as much as I should.
But no, I mean I can kind

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of start off with how I met
Tate if you like, absolutely, yeah,

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so let's let's start with, Yeah, the first story, how did

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you meet that crazy guy Tate Horonymous
and kick out, kick kick off,

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all this big foot stuff. Yeah. Yeah. So it was kind of

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my first excursion away from home around
eighteen or nineteen, and my friend was

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going to go to Mexico for six
months and kind of live cheaply, and

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the dollar goes really strong over there, and we ended up getting an apartment

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together, not for six months but
for over a year, and I ended

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up staying there for three years.
But being in Mexico, like I said,

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the dollar is super strong, and
rent there was super cheap, and

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utilities for super cheap, and expenses
for super cheap. So we split a

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place for I think one hundred bucks
a month, so it was like fifty

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bucks a month for each of us
and then fifty on top of that for

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utilities and maybe little groceries here and
there. And that was my other friend,

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completely different friend. But basically what
happened is The Dark Night Rises had

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just come out, and we were
going to go see it in the theater,

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and we're going to meet up with
a group of friends, and so

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we went to see The Dark Knight
Rises, and of course it was fantastic,

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and they had a group of friends, and they introduced us to this

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person, take Pateronomous, And it
was at that time that I discovered that

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he had watched The Dark Knight Rises
like like five times already within the span

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of like a few days. And
I began to understand that he is a

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bit of an enthusiast, right.
And so as we sort of lived in

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Mexico, sort of side by side, he lived a few miles away from

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me, he would invite me to
stuff. You know, I've always kind

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of been an introvert, kind of
a stay home on the computer or play

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video games or watching movies or this
or that, and it takes a little

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like that too, but he's more
of an outdoorsy type. And so in

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Mexico, we would go to the
Guvadora, we would go to mountains,

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we would go to hot springs,
and we'd go to all these different places.

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And he began to describe to me
sort of his history and his fascination

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and his interest with Bigfoot, and
for him, I think it started at

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an early age. I think he
kind of grew up watching that Finding big

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Foot TV show on Animal Planet,
and I never really grew up with TV.

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TV was one of the things I
didn't really have. We had,

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you know, internet, and we
had movies, but not so much TV

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because we didn't like to watch TV
too much for whatever reason in our house.

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But he had a fascination for it, and I think his dad showed

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him the Patterson Gamlin film, and
I think he may have actually seen that

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Patterson Gimlan film like in theater in
several different places. So he kind of

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described that to me, and every
now and then he'd say, Hey,

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you want to go do some big
Foot researching? Do you want to go

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over here to these woods? Do
you want to go over there to those

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mountains? And I never personally had
an interest in big Foot. Like I

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said, we didn't have TV,
so I didn't watch the Finding big Foot

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TV show. I never grew up
watching the Patterson Gailan film. I did,

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never had any family members, never
grew up around any mountains, you

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know. I grew up in Ventura, California, which is a beach town.

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It's in southern California. Most of
the stuff we do here is go

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to beach and good restaurants, and
we don't really do much time in the

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mountains or the woodsy stuff like that. But Tate was kind of always bringing

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me out to do a fun big
Foot research excursions. And as little interest

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I have in Bigfoot, I just
wanted to tag along with my friend.

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And that's kind of how it's been
from the beginning, and it's still that

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way now. I still don't have
much interested in big Foot. But Patrier

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does, and you know, in
the same way that he was interested in

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certain things, he's especially interested in
that. That's an incredible way to meet

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someone through a great movie. The
Dark Night Rises so good, right,

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and you've been along for the ride
quite literally for Bigfoot. But I'm curious,

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so he probably he's very persistent in
trying to get you to do things.

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That's he's a great guy. What
was the first thing where you're like,

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all right, Tate, I'll go
out, we'll go do something Bigfoot

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related. We'll go we'll go do
some research out in the field. What

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was the first thing. I don't
remember the first time. It might have

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been just to a little field.
We might have done a couple knocks or

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something very simple. But the first
major one, the major one that I

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remember that was serious that I took
time off work to go do, was

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to go to Bluff Creek to go
to where the actual Patterson Giblin film site

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was filmed. And little did I
know that it would end up being like

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a twenty hour drive to get there, and it would be such a harrowing

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experience just to exist in camp there, let alone find the actual site,

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you know, where the video was
taken. But yeah, so that was

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the first time. I don't remember
exactly the first time that we went.

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It was quite a while ago,
but we went with him with his dad,

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and we went with his dad's friend
and obviously me and like I said,

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that was like a twenty hour drive, and you know, Tap did

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all the research he did all the
work. It was really incredible. He

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found out the whole route how to
get there. He planted all out on

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Google Maps, and he downloaded maps
onto his phone so that even if he

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lost service, and he did lose
service, we'd still be able to find

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our way. And Jeremiah, I
mean there were multiple multiple times, and

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we were in two separate cars.
I think I was in Tate's truck and

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then Tate's dad and his friend were
in different truck or something like that.

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We had walkie talkie through a walkie
talking back and forth, and we all

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had no faith in tape, Jeremiah. We had zero faith in it.

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And we started to go off the
beaten trail. It's not looking like there's

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a road here. We got no
idea what's going on. And Tate's just

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trust me, trust me. Trust
We planned it all out, and then

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a couple of times I hear tape, No, oh wait, no,

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not that way, you should be
that way. No, you don't even

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know what you're doing. But low
and behold, we got there and it

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was it was really something, Jeremiah. We got to what is it,

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Laos Camp? I think that's what
it's called. It's called Laos Camp and

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we went there and gosh, it's
just beautiful water and beautiful trees. And

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that's when Tate was serious about looking
for big Foot. Yeah, what an

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incredible adventurous sounds like. Was this
around twenty sixteen? Do you think I

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feel like it was before that?
Okay, yeah, I feel like it

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was even longer ago. I've seen
a photo from Tate where it's I believe

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it's you, Tate. When do
you and Tate when you met Cliff Bobo

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and Tom Yamaron? Does that sound
familiar? Do you remember that for sure?

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I mean, how could you forget
those guys that are incredible. That

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was the second time we went.
So the first time we went it was

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with his dad and his friend.
But the second time we went it was

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just him and me. We just
went along. Yeah. The second time

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we went was in October of twenty
fifteen. The first time we went July

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twenty fifteen, so we went almost
a year later. The first time we

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went out to last Camp was back
in twenty fifteen, and that's when we

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went with him and his dad and
his friend. And then the second time,

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of course, was in twenty sixteen. We went just him and me,

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and that's when we ran into everybody. Part of the lore that you

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always hear about going to this area
is that there's always an issue with someone's

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car. Did you guys have any
issues with cars, you know, blowing

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up at tire or anything like that
that had to be addressed on the way

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there. No, we were super
fortunate. At least the first time we

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went. There was a lot of
rocks and trees that were kind of in

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the middle of the roadway, and
so we'd often have to get out of

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the cars, we'd have to move
the trees, we'd have to roll the

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rocks down the mountain or something like
that. That was the first time we

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went, But I do think the
second time we went, Date was going

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a little fast in his truck and
the side of the sidewall of this tire

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ended up nicking a rock and it
tore his wheel, just tore the tire

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right open, you know. But
fortunately he had a spare and he knew

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pretty much how to fix it.
I didn't really know. I didn't really

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know what I was doing, but
I was there for moral support, of

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course, and we got back on
the road and ended up being okay.

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Absolutely, you know, one of
the things I hear, if you're gonna

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try to do that route down there, you want to have extra tire,

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maybe even extra gas, maybe even
a chainsaw with you in case you come

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across a down tree that you can't
just drag out of the way. But

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people need to realize it's it's a
pretty crazy trip trying to go down to

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that film site. What did that
film site? How did that come across

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to you as a person that you
know, maybe hadn't spend hours and hours

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looking into the Patterson Gimlin film,
But what do you remember seeing detail wise

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from from that trip for the first
time. Yeah, you know, it

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was so much further than I expected. I was really hoping that we would

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just, you know, sitt up
camp right there in Laos Camp. It's

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nice and cozy, perfect spot with
the water right there and trees and paths

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and everything clearly marked. But I
mean we walked, I want to say,

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for several hours, you know,
and we're bringing water with us,

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we're bringing granola bars, we're bringing
pocket knives, we're bringing wood knockers,

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and I feel like it took us
some time. I feel like it took

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us several hours just to get there, and a lot of it was going

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through the creek. You know,
you just follow the creek in order to

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get there, and that's a lot
of water and a lot of rocks and

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a lot of fallen trees. I
mean, I think the first time I

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went, I wore regular shoes.
Then the second time I went, I

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think I wore boots. You know, it's ridiculous getting over there, but

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it's really quite fantastic. I mean, it's such untouched forest. Really,

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there was little to no paths whatsoever
except for what the big Foot people do.

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I know, they go through and
they clear out a few trails and

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paths here and every now and then. But even with that, it's it's

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it's not a clearly travel trail that
way. Oh absolutely. One of the

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good things that the Bluff Creek Project
do is they keep that area, you

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know, up kept, They clear
it out in a way so that it

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can be appreciated and not just you
know, fade away into just a normal

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forest. From what I've heard,
I have yet to go there myself,

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but someday I will be definitely going
there. The thing the other thing I

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hear about that camp area is that
sometimes there are weird things that happen there.

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Did you experience anything out of the
ordinary when you were in that camp

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at all? Or not? Not
really, Jeremiah, not me. You

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know, when I go out for
these things, I'm kind of tagging quong

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with Tate and I'm being a good
friend. But honestly, I'm They're just

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to camp and have a good time, So I'm not really you know,

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I'm paying attention. I am.
You know, I would be cool if

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if I saw a big footer assess
watch, but I don't. I don't

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want to see it nearly as much
as Tate does, or here as much

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as Tate does, So I'm not
perceiving the events around me with that in

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mind, per se. You know, I'm perceiving it just like I'm camping

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personally. I didn't really have anything
funny or strange happen. I did hear,

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you know, Tate was He's having
a hard time sleeping, and I

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think on the first night that we
were there, he felt like something was

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hovering over the tent. Now,
of course it's late, it's night's two

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o'clock in the morning, You've had
this long twenty hour drive, and you're

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looking for Bigfoot. So every shadow
you see is going to be something.

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But there was another friend he heard
something as well, and he felt like

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something was hanging over the tent,
but he was in a completely different tent,

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so that kind of freaked me out
a little bit. But I really

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I believe that people see what they
want to see and hear what they want

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to hear, and I wanted to
see nothing and hear nothing. So I

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was finding with myself and they can
see and hear whatever they want to hear.

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But it didn't really make much difference
to me. That's amazing. It's

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from what I've heard, it's an
interesting area because it's surrounded by water and

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it's almost like you can people will
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so it can really lead to some
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some some things happening inside your head
too, who knows. But we'll be

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words from our sponsors. Yeah, yeah,

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I mean, if you listen to
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I think if you're in that state
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You really can. But I think
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actively tuning that out. I'm just
trying to sleep, you know. I

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love it. Did you get to
the point after that first trip where oh

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sorry, let me ask, so, did you guys have any bigfoot interactions

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that first trip to Bluff Creek about
it? The first time we went,

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I think the biggest interaction we had
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I thought it was so cool.
It's just like this big thick wooden stick

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and you're supposed to for using it
to summon bigfoot, you know. And

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I love whack of that thing,
this other big foot. It was always

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so much fun during the calls of
the wolves. I thought it was great,

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you know. But no, the
funniest thing that happened was I was

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running around just whacking everything I saw. We're camping and we're e I'm just

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gonna whack stuff. And Tate's dad's
friend said, you know, you might

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want to be careful about doing that, knocking trees and whatnot. You never

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know if there might be something in
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And I was like, what huh. I just kept on knocking around,

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you know, And the next thing
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the middle of the forest and Tates, Tate's dad's friend is the same thing.

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He starts screaming too, and they're
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going on? They start running and
they start running ahead of us, and

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they're like, get us. They
hang out of here, Get us out

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of here, get us out of
here, and we're running like far wait,

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what are you running from? I
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They were getting stung by hornets over
and over and over, and they're the

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kind that don't like you and then
go away and die. They just keep

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on staking you. But unfortunately I
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But Taste Dad and Taste friend that
they got walloped they got. You should

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see their back. I have pictures. They were like so ready. But

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of course it was my fault,
right because I'm the one who was knocking

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the stupid things, and he even
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to this day, I apologize,
but I still think it's funny. There's

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a there's a life lesson to learn. Only do a few wooden knocks and

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don't be careful not to hit the
hornet trees. You know, you don't

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want to unleash a barrage of hornets
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After the first trip, did you
did you start to get into the finding

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Bigfoot stuff at all? Or still
you're not really that that much into it?

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Or a little bit? Yeah.
I mean I had already put all

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this time and energy and effort into
it. I already taken time off work,

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had already you know, lost sleep
and lost gas and lost this and

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lost that for my friends. So
I started getting into it a little bit.

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I saw a few episodes of Finding
big Foot, and whenever take would

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have me to watch something or if
we had me go out to another place,

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I was a little more open minded, especially being that I had been

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in kind of like what's considered to
be the heart of big Foot research and

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discovery is right there at the Patterson
Gatland. Philp Side's like, hey,

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I've kind of been a part of
this thing, so I might as well

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look into it. It never really
caught on for me one hundred percent.

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It's just kind of like whenever I
go I think about it, but whenever

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I kind of come back home,
I kind of go back. I did

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my own thing. But it's certainly
interesting, you know how many generations of

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people have reported it and how many
different civilizations have reported it. And I

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think what gets me the most is
people that have nothing to gain and everything

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to lose by sharing their stories.
You know what I mean, perfectly credible

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people in their town. They're totally
straight laced, their shriff or a deputy

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or something like that, and they
can't afford to have people thinking that they're

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crazy. Yeah, but they still
come forward and confess their their stories.

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Oh absolutely, I mean, and
personally, those are the type of encounters

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and witnesses I love to talk to
the most. You know, the gentleman

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who's a retired law enforcement official and
you know he has nothing to gain by

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telling his story, but yet he
had an encounter for sure. I asked

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the question earlier about if you started
to get into finding Bigfoot in order to

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kind of get to another question,
which was, so, let's talk about

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the time when you went with Tate
and I guess you randomly would have run

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into Cliff and Bobo and Tom Yamaron, And did you recognize who Cliff and

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Bobo were or how did that go? Okay? So I totally did.

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So. The way that happened is
that Kate and I were going to go

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again this time. It was just
gonna be him and me, no deadweight,

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no dad, no dad's friends who
are gonna get there a little bit

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quicker, maybe a fifteen hours stead
of twenty. And you know, Tate

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was like holding back for me the
whole time. So he was saying,

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Oh, yeah, it's gonna be
open, it's gonna be open. Everything's

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gonna be fine, everything's gonna be
fine. But in the meantime, he

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was going back and forth with some
guy he owns, like the big Foot

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bookstore, Stephen Streifert. Yeah,
you got it, Stephen Stryford. He's

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going back and forth with Stephen.
Little did I know he's going back forth

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with Stephen, and Stephen saying,
oh, yeah, you know, the

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gate's probably closed. You probably can't
even go in there. You know,

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it's it's it's cold, it's gonna
be like snowy or icy or muddy or

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unsafe or something like that, and
we're not going to anyone to go through.

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But Tate was just leading me along
as if everything was perfectly fine.

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And so we finally get there to
what is it Willow Creek is kind of

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that town in there, and we're
buying beer and ice and we're getting everything,

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and Tate's like, oh good,
it might be open. I was

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like, what it might be open? What are you talking about. He's

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like, oh, nothing, nothing, I've just been talking with Stephen Strayford

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and it's all good. We're good. That's so awesome. But I think

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he while we were on our way, he eventually came clean and he said,

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listen, Austin, there's a chance
that they gate to get to to

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get the loose camp. There's a
chance that it might be closed. But

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if it is closed, there's another
route that we can take. So they're

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gonna take us five more hours to
get there. What's right, what's another

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five? We're already fifteen anyways,
it's just gonna be twenty anyways, and

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one as well. So we show
up there and we see that were they

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camp there first? Yeah? Yeah, I think we saw when we went

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to Laws camp there was already someone
who had set up camp not too far

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away from us, and we said, oh wow, someone else is here.

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That's interesting, but they weren't there
at the camp site yet. And

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then we started setting up our own
camp. We started setting up our own

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tent, and next thing I know, I think it was Cliff Barrockman,

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who came and introduced himself, and
they were asking us if we needed any

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help, and like in that moment, Tate just went like full poker face.

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I mean he was different. He
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a random Joe Schmo normal person.
He was talking to Cliff Brockman, and

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I think I didn't connect it until
I saw how Tate looked. And then

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I saw Cliff and I was like, oh, wait a minute, has

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the finding Big Flip TV guy?
What did you say that out loud?

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Or was that in your mind?
That was in my mind? Okay,

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good right, as much as I
wanted to, but no, I think

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the first thing he did, I
think he offered me a beer and he

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asked me, he said, do
you want domestic or do you want an

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import? And I was like,
domestic means like local, right, Well,

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I want something bougie and different,
so I'll go for an import.

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And the only imported they the only
imported beer that they had was Plenty the

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Elder, which is like a fantastic
beer, it is, yeah, and

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it just so happened to be like
their last one, and they offered their

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last Plenty the elder to Lowly Austin
Brown on the first day of him camping

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next to them. Wow, that
was super cool. That's that is That

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is very cool because that's stuff is
hard to get from what I've heard.

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And that was Bobo there as well. Yea, Bobo was there too.

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I think we're trying to move the
picnic table, and I think Bobo,

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I mean, he's such a big
guy. He just offered to help.

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And you know, there were like
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and he just took like the whole
other half. You know, we just

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carried it over to a mutual spot. And I think they said, well,

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hey, you know, once you
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once you guys get kind of settled
in and tucked away, you gotta

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you want to come over and buy
the camp fire. We're gonna have some

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beers and some food. You want
to swap big Foot stories and get to

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know we talk a little better,
and we're like, yeah, wow,

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hitting the big footer l lottery is
what that was. That's awesome. Yeah,

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yeah, but it was. It
was Cliff Barockman, tomm yammeron Bobo,

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Like you said, I feel like
there was one or two more guys,

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I have to send you a photo. Did did Tom bust out his

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guitar and play Roger and Bob or
anything like that? He sure did,

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Okay, you know he did that. I think Bobo was going to be

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leaving. Bo was gonna go home. We were staying for a couple more

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days. And I think that that's
the song that he used to play Bobo

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out. And so as you know, Bobo is getting in his car.

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Tom Yamaron is Roger and Bob.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, He's getting

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in his car and he's driving away, and he totally he serenaded him all

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the way down the road. Oh
my goodness. That's just like from a

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movie, which for listeners, if
this sounds familiar, if you've seen the

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movie Willow Creek with Bryce Johnson and
by Bob Kat, that song is in

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that movie and Tom Yamarone is in
that movie playing the Roger and Bob went

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out that Day song. So there
you go. It's a horror movie,

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so you know, don't watch you
with kids unless your kids are into that.

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But whatever, they were awesome guys, Jeremiah. I mean, they

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were seriously, seriously cool. They
were very open, They were very forthcoming,

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but they also listened. You know, they weren't just interested in their

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own stories what they had going on. You know, they asked me about

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me. They asked me about my
life and my experiences and away from big

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food or sasquatch or anything like that, and they just kind of had a

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really good down to earth quality,
you know, a real connection. Were

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they able to tell you anything about
that area that kind of opened your eyes

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to it? Do you remember if
they told you any any cool anecdotes about

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that area or yeah, I wish
I could remember. I don't really remember.

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I just remember the enthusiasm and the
interest. I was just there to

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camp and drink and do little hiking
and just had a good time. But

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I mean they were analyzing the rich
the ridge lines and the rocks and the

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path of the water and the weather
and you know, north and south and

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magnetism and migratory stuff. They're so
knowledgeable. I mean, between all of

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them, they knew so much.
And I felt like, wow, you

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know, they're really perceiving so much
more in their environment than I am.

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You know, I've been such a
disadvantage here. I've a city boy,

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but you know, in the meantime
they're pointing out tracks and stuff like that.

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It's it's really cool. But that
really struck me is there is there

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genuine interest in their surroundings and they're
and they're well rounded knowledge, you know,

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not just about big Foot, but
about bears and deers and bobcats and

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mountain lions and things like that.
Oh no, that's not a big foot

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anything. That's a bear scat or
whatever. They they knew about being out

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in the woods. Wow, did
Bobo do his famous big foot howl when

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you were down there? I'm sure
he did. I'm sure he did.

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I don't remember how it sounded,
but he's definitely. I mean, he's

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such a big guy and he's got
such a big set of lungs, and

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he's kind of got that voice where
he could really he did really good.

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I think he did the best out
of all of us. Oh absolutely,

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I'm sure. I mean we've probably
most listeners have heard Bobo busted out on

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finding big Foot. He's just he's
very, very, very good. Yeah.

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I'm going to ask directly during that
trip, were there any interesting big

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Foot related occurrences that happened that you
can remember? Yeah? No, no,

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nothing that stuck out. I mean, the most amazing thing that happened,

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obviously was just the fact that you
ran into them, right into the

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cast. And we were of course
happy to be there, especially being alone.

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That was super cool, kind of
doing our own thing. But no

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knock on my recollection. We looked, we tried, we not, we

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called, we did all these different
things. But I mean, I think

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Tate might have gotten like a couple
of recordings maybe her like a knock in

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the distance or a whoop in the
distance, But for me, it was

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never really anything so substantive that it
was worth considering any further. You know,

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it's a noise in the night.
It's not that big of a deal.

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Yeah, And and unfortunately that's the
way a lot of them go,

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you know, ninety nine times out
of one hundred year. Not that that's

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that's what Tate tells me. And
we had I'm not gonna go too far

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into it, but we had stuff
happened in our Iowa trip last last summer,

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and that's exactly what Tate said to
me. He was like, you

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know, this isn't normal that you
usually don't have much happen. So I

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totally agree with you. Where Yeah, most times when you go out,

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it is kind of like a fun
camping hiking trip when you're also looking for

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But another thing that I heard about
you Austin that was interesting is you

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were involved with a hike from the
twelve and thirteen bridge up to the film

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site and you had it was Tate, I think Robert Leiderman, Rowdy and

412
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Ian was there as well. Do
you remember much about that experience? Yeah,

413
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that was great. Those guys were
absolutely great, really love Robert,

414
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really love Rowdy, absolutely fantastic guys, and against super knowledgeable about areas and

415
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spaces and evidence and tracks and all
that. I don't really remember anything super

416
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substantial. I was just so impressed
by their enthusiasm and sacrifice in a kind

417
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of like a career of spending time
and money and gas too to find something

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that we haven't really found yet.
You know, they really have that sense

419
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of mystery and them and I really
got that kind of like adult sense of

420
00:31:36.680 --> 00:31:40.759
curiosity from all of them. You
know, they were like they were like

421
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little kids out there in the woods. They were just having a blast.

422
00:31:45.319 --> 00:31:49.759
But as far as actual experiences go. I mean, I do recall listening

423
00:31:49.799 --> 00:31:53.000
to the water a little bit more
carefully because I think we spent a lot

424
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of time around water, and I
could start to hear what people might hear.

425
00:31:56.319 --> 00:32:00.319
Oh yeah, I could see how
someone could think of as voices or

426
00:32:00.359 --> 00:32:06.160
something of that nature. But no, No, we just had a really

427
00:32:06.200 --> 00:32:10.240
good time. M It's a it's
a good thing to point out. I

428
00:32:10.279 --> 00:32:15.559
mean, your viewpoint of that is
very interesting. It's truthful. You know

429
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a lot of people when they get
into big footing, they are, you

430
00:32:21.839 --> 00:32:30.839
know, definitely sacrificing their resources,
their time in hopes of uncovering some greater

431
00:32:30.960 --> 00:32:34.880
mystery. And there's not many of
those left today in our world if you

432
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talk to most people. So that's
a very cool observation that you had.

433
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There is an interesting account, and
I'd like you to share as much as

434
00:32:47.839 --> 00:32:54.000
you can. Remember when you and
Tate went down to southern California. I

435
00:32:54.000 --> 00:32:59.960
believe it was southern California, correct
in the is the Sierra Nevada's absolutely yeah,

436
00:33:00.160 --> 00:33:04.799
and feel free to share kind of
what happened. It's an interesting account

437
00:33:04.880 --> 00:33:07.000
that I think some people may have
seen. But I would love to hear

438
00:33:07.200 --> 00:33:13.559
your thoughts about it. Absolutely.
Yeah, So, I mean, ever

439
00:33:13.640 --> 00:33:17.559
since it happened, I thought a
little. I thought a little of it

440
00:33:17.599 --> 00:33:22.559
when it happened, but I really
didn't think that much of it. But

441
00:33:22.160 --> 00:33:28.400
ever since then, multiple videos have
come out and people have had interviews and

442
00:33:28.599 --> 00:33:32.000
analysis, and they've interviewed me,
and they think that it might be like

443
00:33:32.039 --> 00:33:37.119
a genuine experience. But I'll just
kind of like walk you through the details

444
00:33:37.240 --> 00:33:38.960
of as much as I can remember. At the beginning of the day,

445
00:33:39.559 --> 00:33:45.279
we were meeting up with another finding
big Foot person, Matt Moneymaker. So

446
00:33:45.599 --> 00:33:51.000
Matt Moneymaker, who's doing this thing
where he collected like five or six different

447
00:33:51.039 --> 00:33:55.000
eyewitnesses, people who had seen some
sort of something going on with big foot.

448
00:33:55.400 --> 00:34:00.400
And Tate's experience that he had is
that he had found what he thought

449
00:34:00.440 --> 00:34:05.039
might be a track and he took
a picture of that track on his phone.

450
00:34:05.160 --> 00:34:07.960
I don't think he had any casting
materials at the time, but he

451
00:34:07.000 --> 00:34:10.400
took a pretty good picture and it
looked pretty good, and I think he

452
00:34:10.519 --> 00:34:17.239
shared that with Matt Moneymaker. And
I think also Cliff Backman had suggested to

453
00:34:17.280 --> 00:34:21.360
take when he was asking about areas
to look at, he suggested, why

454
00:34:21.360 --> 00:34:24.400
don't you go over to us.
So it's this whole area where it's kind

455
00:34:24.400 --> 00:34:30.559
of like in the middle of this
California desert, and there's this big mountain

456
00:34:30.000 --> 00:34:32.719
and a lot of people kind of
go up and down the mountain. They've

457
00:34:32.760 --> 00:34:37.440
got a TVs, they've got dirt
bikes, they've got jeeps, they've got

458
00:34:37.480 --> 00:34:40.320
trucks. It's one of those trucking
up and down sort of places. And

459
00:34:40.360 --> 00:34:46.119
it's also a big hunting ground during
hunting season. And so when we were

460
00:34:46.159 --> 00:34:52.039
going around with Matt Moneymaker, we
went to this site over here to see

461
00:34:52.119 --> 00:34:53.760
kind of where that person saw that
thing, and then we went to that

462
00:34:53.800 --> 00:34:57.039
site over there to kind of see
where that person saw that thing. And

463
00:34:57.079 --> 00:35:01.760
we kind of just bounced around.
And we finally ended with Tate's experience going

464
00:35:01.880 --> 00:35:08.760
over to Gorman and Hungary Valley and
trying to find where he found the track,

465
00:35:09.159 --> 00:35:13.519
because Matt Moneymaker wanted to know,
Okay, where did you find this

466
00:35:13.559 --> 00:35:15.559
track. Let's go take a look
at it, see if it's still there,

467
00:35:15.599 --> 00:35:19.800
see if there's any more evidences,
And there was nothing. We drove

468
00:35:19.840 --> 00:35:22.760
all the way out there, we
drove all the way up and down and

469
00:35:22.800 --> 00:35:25.119
all around, and I'm bouncing all
around, and it's like six or seven

470
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at night. We've been at this
all day. I'm tired. I'm ready

471
00:35:29.840 --> 00:35:35.280
to be done. I've already been
humoring everyone else's experience, and I don't

472
00:35:35.320 --> 00:35:37.000
even want to humor Tate's experience.
I just want to go to sleep.

473
00:35:37.119 --> 00:35:43.920
Yeah, And there was like nothing, There was no other evidence. We

474
00:35:43.920 --> 00:35:46.400
couldn't find a track, We couldn't
find any other tracks or any other evidences,

475
00:35:46.760 --> 00:35:49.840
and so we thought, well,
why don't we just kind of take

476
00:35:49.840 --> 00:35:52.039
a look at what it looks like
at the very top of this hill.

477
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We're already here kind of near the
bottom or near the middle of mine as

478
00:35:54.159 --> 00:35:57.920
well keep on going up, and
so we kind of just care a vand

479
00:35:58.000 --> 00:36:00.480
up. So Matt Moneymaker was in
like his land Rover, and he's going

480
00:36:00.559 --> 00:36:05.639
super fast up at Tate was it
his little Honda ridge line, And we're

481
00:36:05.760 --> 00:36:09.360
bouncing up and down and cherema like
from the from the bottom of the top,

482
00:36:09.800 --> 00:36:14.599
it's like an hour hour and a
half, you know, not because

483
00:36:14.639 --> 00:36:17.280
of incredible distance. I mean,
surely it is distance and elevation, but

484
00:36:17.400 --> 00:36:23.960
mostly because all the bumps and crannies
and impossible turns and getting through you have

485
00:36:24.000 --> 00:36:28.280
to go like five miles an hour, because if you go any faster,

486
00:36:28.679 --> 00:36:30.400
you bounce around so much you can't
even stand it, or you feel like

487
00:36:30.400 --> 00:36:35.679
you're going to fall off the cliff. And so we go all the way

488
00:36:35.760 --> 00:36:40.480
up to the top of this stupid
cliff, and these guys you're just kind

489
00:36:40.480 --> 00:36:45.679
of talking and sharing stories, and
we're just kind of seeing our final goodbyes

490
00:36:45.079 --> 00:36:49.280
before Tate and I decide, okay, we're going to spend the night at

491
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the top of this mountain, the
top of this cliff, at the top

492
00:36:52.079 --> 00:36:55.639
of Hungry Valley, and you could
really see everything up there. I mean

493
00:36:55.679 --> 00:36:59.719
you just look around. You see
city, you see mountain, you see.

494
00:37:00.320 --> 00:37:05.360
It's really absolutely fantastic. And it
was a beautiful evening. I mean

495
00:37:05.440 --> 00:37:08.280
it was kind of warm at first, but then it started getting colder and

496
00:37:08.400 --> 00:37:14.199
colder and colder. And the guys
left, you know, Matt said his

497
00:37:14.239 --> 00:37:17.719
goodbyes, all the other eyewitnesses said
they're goodbyes, one after another, and

498
00:37:17.800 --> 00:37:21.679
so Teyton and I started setting up
camp, and I think the way we

499
00:37:21.719 --> 00:37:24.239
did it is he pulled up his
truck and at first we were kind of

500
00:37:24.280 --> 00:37:29.159
sitting in his truck, just kind
of gathering our things, getting the items

501
00:37:29.199 --> 00:37:32.519
ready and whatnot, and getting out
any beverages we might want to enjoy while

502
00:37:32.519 --> 00:37:37.199
we're trying to set up camp.
And that's that's what I wanted to do.

503
00:37:37.320 --> 00:37:39.239
I just wanted to kick at camp
and just have a good time and

504
00:37:39.360 --> 00:37:43.239
drink a few beers and be done
for the day because I had a long

505
00:37:43.320 --> 00:37:45.360
day and I was just kind of
ready to maybe let's do something tomorrow morning,

506
00:37:45.960 --> 00:37:50.920
you know. And about nine o'clock
at night, I think we kind

507
00:37:50.920 --> 00:37:52.239
of got our tents set up a
little bit and Tat's like, well,

508
00:37:52.440 --> 00:37:57.400
right now, it's a pretty good
time. It is hunting season, you

509
00:37:57.440 --> 00:38:00.119
know. So we had passed multiple
different hunts, you know, and they're

510
00:38:00.440 --> 00:38:06.920
in their orange jackets and their sniper
rifles and their ATVs. It's funny because

511
00:38:06.920 --> 00:38:09.360
they wear camo and then they wear
the orange jacket on top of it.

512
00:38:10.280 --> 00:38:15.840
Why the second here, this doesn't
really match. But from the hunters up

513
00:38:15.880 --> 00:38:19.760
to where we were, I mean
it must have been a half hour or

514
00:38:19.800 --> 00:38:24.159
an hour distance, and so there
was nobody around. It was just me

515
00:38:24.519 --> 00:38:28.920
and Tate in the campsite. And
around nine o'clock at night and Tate it's

516
00:38:28.960 --> 00:38:31.440
like, why don't we go do
a couple of knocks, do a couple

517
00:38:31.440 --> 00:38:35.599
of calls, and then we'll call
it a night. And I think I

518
00:38:35.679 --> 00:38:37.599
said, why don't we just call
it a night right here? You know,

519
00:38:37.599 --> 00:38:42.880
we've already had such a big,
long day. Why don't why don't

520
00:38:42.920 --> 00:38:45.599
we Why don't we just try it
in the morning. And Tate was like,

521
00:38:45.679 --> 00:38:47.360
come on, dude, we're already
here. We made all this effort

522
00:38:47.400 --> 00:38:51.199
to be here, that's all the
more reasoned. While we're at it,

523
00:38:51.199 --> 00:38:52.199
we might as well do a couple
knocks and a couple of this. And

524
00:38:53.320 --> 00:38:57.559
he's always been that way. He's
always been much more of an optimist,

525
00:38:57.559 --> 00:39:00.639
and I've been much more of a
pessimist. So I'm the most like reluctant

526
00:39:00.920 --> 00:39:06.880
bigfoot researcher that I know, you
know, but I still go along with

527
00:39:06.880 --> 00:39:12.280
it because I loved Taitan who couldn't
love Tate? And so what we did

528
00:39:12.360 --> 00:39:15.039
exactly is we're camped up at the
top of the mountain. I think what

529
00:39:15.079 --> 00:39:19.960
we did is we kind of went
toward the sign, and so that's like

530
00:39:20.039 --> 00:39:24.239
the site of where we're ast and
it's dark enough so that it's not pitch

531
00:39:24.320 --> 00:39:28.840
black at night, but it's pretty
darn dark. I mean, you could

532
00:39:28.880 --> 00:39:32.280
see the ground in front of you, but that's about it. And it

533
00:39:32.320 --> 00:39:37.360
was starting to get cold, you
know, So I put my jacket on,

534
00:39:37.960 --> 00:39:42.719
I put my hoodie on. I
don't think I had ear muffs,

535
00:39:43.280 --> 00:39:46.800
but I kind of like cinched my
hoodie to try to like trap as much

536
00:39:46.840 --> 00:39:51.719
heat in as possible, so I
couldn't hear that much. And to be

537
00:39:51.760 --> 00:39:54.679
honest, Jeremiah, I'm not that
great of a hearer to begin with.

538
00:39:55.159 --> 00:39:59.119
I think I've kind of blown out
some of my hearing through loud music and

539
00:39:59.320 --> 00:40:01.719
concerts and whatnot here and there.
And on top of that, I'm not

540
00:40:01.719 --> 00:40:06.360
really trying to hear anything anyway.
So we start to kind of go down.

541
00:40:06.559 --> 00:40:10.880
There's this one little spot that kind
of leads down the mountain, and

542
00:40:12.000 --> 00:40:15.800
so we're going down in the opposite
direction of where we came. So we

543
00:40:15.840 --> 00:40:17.519
came up this side of the mountain. Now we're going down the opposite side

544
00:40:17.519 --> 00:40:22.440
of the mountain just a tiny bit. And he saw this big dead tree

545
00:40:22.679 --> 00:40:25.320
and to him, I think it
looked kind of hollow, look kind of

546
00:40:25.360 --> 00:40:29.840
solid. Maybe I don't really know
what's better for knocking, but he decided

547
00:40:29.880 --> 00:40:31.800
I'm going to give this thing a
knock, a couple knocks, and he

548
00:40:31.880 --> 00:40:35.400
had this big stick or something like
that, and he gave it a couple

549
00:40:35.400 --> 00:40:38.960
of knocks and terrible. It's not
awful. It didn't carry at all.

550
00:40:39.719 --> 00:40:43.880
It didn't have like deeps down,
it didn't resonate whatsoever. I think it

551
00:40:43.920 --> 00:40:47.639
was just so dead that when he
hit it, there was nothing to echo

552
00:40:47.760 --> 00:40:51.000
within it or something like that.
I don't know how all that works,

553
00:40:51.000 --> 00:40:53.559
but it didn't make any sense anyway. So he said, this isn't really

554
00:40:53.599 --> 00:40:57.880
working. So we kind of walked
a little ways further, and then he

555
00:40:57.920 --> 00:41:00.360
said, I'm gonna do who you
know while I do my whoop, and

556
00:41:00.360 --> 00:41:04.199
then that we can listen to the
response is he's always happy to do that

557
00:41:04.239 --> 00:41:07.920
with me because I always started talking. And he said, okay, I'm

558
00:41:07.960 --> 00:41:09.360
gonna do a call, so be
quiet for like a minute, you know,

559
00:41:12.880 --> 00:41:16.599
and he said he did a whoop, and then he said, Austin,

560
00:41:16.639 --> 00:41:20.880
I heard something. I heard something
I heard as I heard a response

561
00:41:20.920 --> 00:41:25.039
in that direction. Whatever, dude, you heard something, you did a

562
00:41:25.079 --> 00:41:30.800
whoop, you heard something in the
night, whatever, bro. And he

563
00:41:30.880 --> 00:41:34.760
said, let's just walk back over
here, back over the ridge to see

564
00:41:34.760 --> 00:41:37.719
if we could see where it came
from, because he said very distinctly it

565
00:41:37.760 --> 00:41:42.559
came like from the left of where
we were sown. In order to see

566
00:41:42.639 --> 00:41:45.840
over the left, we would have
had to go up kind of back up

567
00:41:45.880 --> 00:41:47.039
the mountain, but we had to
go back the way we came. So

568
00:41:47.079 --> 00:41:52.280
we started going back the way we
came, and we curved up. We've

569
00:41:52.280 --> 00:41:55.639
got our head lamps on. I'm
only seeing like the ground in front of

570
00:41:55.639 --> 00:42:00.159
me right here, so I can
just kind of walk clearly. And as

571
00:42:00.159 --> 00:42:05.239
we're walking up, there's this big
old dead tree, I mean absolutely blocking

572
00:42:05.239 --> 00:42:07.719
our way. It's just a massive
fallen tree, and it's kind of like

573
00:42:07.840 --> 00:42:12.760
diagonal in this way, and I
kind of approach it a little bit on

574
00:42:13.280 --> 00:42:15.159
in the middle left side of it, and then Take kind of approaches it

575
00:42:15.199 --> 00:42:19.559
on the middle right side of it, and we're like, well, this

576
00:42:19.639 --> 00:42:22.039
is like as far as we can
go, and this is got a good

577
00:42:22.159 --> 00:42:27.599
view of the rest of the mountain
or valley. It's it's up. It's

578
00:42:27.599 --> 00:42:31.320
the highest part of the mountain from
where we're at. And so as we're

579
00:42:31.599 --> 00:42:37.559
scanning the ridge to see whatever it
is that Take didn't hear. As far

580
00:42:37.599 --> 00:42:42.760
as I'm concerned, I see a
pair of eyes in the middle of the

581
00:42:42.840 --> 00:42:47.760
night. Just while I'm sort of
scanning the ridge, there are two big,

582
00:42:47.960 --> 00:42:54.440
bright, yellowy orangey eyes just staring
right back at us like it was

583
00:42:54.519 --> 00:43:00.639
already you know, when when we
scan the horizon and saw it. I

584
00:43:00.639 --> 00:43:04.679
mean, it was already locked on
us. It had already been looking at

585
00:43:04.760 --> 00:43:07.119
us the whole time. And this
is just kind of a personal thing,

586
00:43:07.199 --> 00:43:13.719
Jeremiah. Ever since I was young, I kind of had always this thing

587
00:43:14.079 --> 00:43:16.679
about seeing eyes in the middle of
the night. You know, I don't

588
00:43:16.679 --> 00:43:20.480
know if you ever thought of it, or if anybody else ever thought of

589
00:43:20.519 --> 00:43:22.599
it. It might be kind of
a familiar meme or something that they use

590
00:43:22.679 --> 00:43:27.679
in scary movies or whatnot. But
I always said to myself, you know,

591
00:43:27.719 --> 00:43:30.079
if I ever see eyes in the
middle of the night, that's gonna

592
00:43:30.079 --> 00:43:31.719
be tied the goat. You know, it's gonna be the craziest thing.

593
00:43:34.000 --> 00:43:39.000
But there it was, right there. And when I first saw the eyes,

594
00:43:43.039 --> 00:43:46.480
man, man, what was running
through my head? I thought that

595
00:43:46.519 --> 00:43:51.199
I was imagining it. I thought
that I was seeing the same eyes that

596
00:43:51.239 --> 00:43:53.360
I saw like when I was a
little kid, when I was worried about

597
00:43:53.400 --> 00:43:58.239
seeing eyes in the middle of the
night staring back at me, because man,

598
00:43:58.360 --> 00:44:02.800
Jeremiah is it wasn't just looking in
our direction. It was looking at

599
00:44:02.880 --> 00:44:07.079
us, staring right at us.
And so the first thing I said,

600
00:44:07.159 --> 00:44:15.199
I was like, Hey, what
it is that? And I was fully

601
00:44:15.239 --> 00:44:21.199
expecting him to say that it wasn't
there, or that it was something totally

602
00:44:21.239 --> 00:44:24.960
benign, you know, a telephone
pole, lights in the distance. I

603
00:44:25.000 --> 00:44:30.360
thought that he would instantly brush it
away, Oh, that's just the glare

604
00:44:30.599 --> 00:44:37.679
of the head lamp or something like
that. But he saw the exact same

605
00:44:37.719 --> 00:44:43.639
thing and he said, I don't
know, dude. I say, what

606
00:44:43.679 --> 00:44:45.039
do you mean, you don't know. You're you're the expert, You're the

607
00:44:45.039 --> 00:44:47.239
one that comes out here. You
should know you see in the middle of

608
00:44:47.239 --> 00:44:53.280
the night. And so the exact
experience was I just said, what is

609
00:44:53.320 --> 00:44:58.159
that? And then Tate said,
I don't know, dude, and we

610
00:44:58.559 --> 00:45:04.559
just had a stare down and we
literally just stared at it. We'll be

611
00:45:04.599 --> 00:45:12.880
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these words from our sponsors. And even

612
00:45:12.960 --> 00:45:19.559
though my head lamp wasn't looking like
directly at it, the eyes were so

613
00:45:19.679 --> 00:45:23.000
reflective. It was reflective enough that
it caught that light and I mean,

614
00:45:23.039 --> 00:45:29.440
they were just big and bright as
day, and I thought that they were

615
00:45:29.480 --> 00:45:34.760
like fifty feet away. That's how
close I thought it was. I thought

616
00:45:34.760 --> 00:45:38.840
it was fairly close. The eyes
were big, they were not quite perfectly

617
00:45:38.920 --> 00:45:43.719
round, but almost so, kind
of like human eyes. But they were

618
00:45:43.760 --> 00:45:45.840
further apart. They were a little
further apart, and they should be.

619
00:45:46.880 --> 00:45:57.079
And they were bright and unblinking,
focused right on us, you know,

620
00:45:57.239 --> 00:46:00.599
and immediately, you know, when
you look at a deer, or if

621
00:46:00.599 --> 00:46:05.320
you look at this, or if
you look at it that it almost always

622
00:46:05.320 --> 00:46:08.679
looks at you and then looks away
and does something else. This thing just

623
00:46:08.760 --> 00:46:16.280
stared, stared right at us,
and I really didn't know what to do.

624
00:46:17.440 --> 00:46:22.199
And I was kind of like leaning
to the right and left to see,

625
00:46:22.239 --> 00:46:24.159
like, is it really not just
like city lights in the distance,

626
00:46:24.360 --> 00:46:28.159
because you could see that, you
know, there was there were lights in

627
00:46:28.199 --> 00:46:30.760
the distance way back. But no, you could very very clearly see there's

628
00:46:30.800 --> 00:46:37.559
lights in the distance and then two
glowing yellowy dots right right between them,

629
00:46:37.000 --> 00:46:42.320
you know. And I asked Tate, I said, do you think do

630
00:46:42.320 --> 00:46:45.440
you think I should do a whoop
or something like that? He says,

631
00:46:45.480 --> 00:46:52.039
sure, dude, go for it, and apparently, you know, he

632
00:46:52.039 --> 00:46:57.880
he brought up his his thermal imaging
camera at some point and he started to

633
00:46:57.880 --> 00:47:01.239
film it. And I didn't they
know. I was completely transfixed. I

634
00:47:01.280 --> 00:47:05.280
was just locked in this experience,
just trying to figure out what this was,

635
00:47:05.400 --> 00:47:13.519
or was it was or wasn't.
And I ended up doing my whoop

636
00:47:14.440 --> 00:47:19.360
and Jeremiah, there was no response. I let out this loud, you

637
00:47:19.400 --> 00:47:28.199
know, nothing whatsoever, you know, no blinking, no looking in either

638
00:47:28.239 --> 00:47:34.360
direction, no backing away, no
response whatsoever. And we waited, I

639
00:47:34.400 --> 00:47:37.599
want to say, another thirty seconds
to a minute, and finally I said,

640
00:47:38.360 --> 00:47:42.039
maybe I'll try another one. I'll
just try one a little bit more

641
00:47:42.039 --> 00:47:45.880
aggressive, you know, And so
I did kind of a you know,

642
00:47:45.920 --> 00:47:52.880
with a little bit more you know, meetness to it, and in a

643
00:47:52.079 --> 00:47:55.679
very conscious way, you know,
it went from just having eyes locked to

644
00:47:55.800 --> 00:48:00.199
us, you know, to what
I saw. It's simple turned to the

645
00:48:00.280 --> 00:48:07.280
right and walked away, you know, like it just decided to stop staring

646
00:48:07.320 --> 00:48:12.360
at us. But it was like
a delay, you know. I did

647
00:48:12.400 --> 00:48:15.280
that aggressive call, and it kind
of just stared at me for another couple

648
00:48:15.280 --> 00:48:21.199
of seconds, and then it lost
interest, basically, and it turned the

649
00:48:21.199 --> 00:48:27.119
other way. Apparently, looking back
at the at the thermal footage, there's

650
00:48:27.119 --> 00:48:30.079
a moment where it stands up,
and that's where it's very clearly visible,

651
00:48:30.159 --> 00:48:35.880
you know, on thermal footage.
Personally, all I saw was two glowing

652
00:48:35.920 --> 00:48:40.480
dots in the middle of the night, and having no reference as to height.

653
00:48:40.920 --> 00:48:44.360
You know, I didn't see that
ridge that was below it. I

654
00:48:44.360 --> 00:48:46.360
didn't see that tree that was right
next to it. All I saw was

655
00:48:46.400 --> 00:48:52.480
two glowing eyes. So personally,
I didn't see the moment where it stood

656
00:48:52.559 --> 00:48:57.000
up. I just saw two blowing
eyes the whole time, and then the

657
00:48:57.039 --> 00:49:00.519
mid and then a couple of seconds
after I did that that second whoop,

658
00:49:00.280 --> 00:49:07.280
it just turned away and went back
wherever came. Yeah, it was super

659
00:49:07.360 --> 00:49:12.440
weird. The whole time that it
was there. I really got the sense

660
00:49:12.480 --> 00:49:16.159
that this wasn't some dumb animal acting
on instinct, you know, this was

661
00:49:16.199 --> 00:49:22.079
something that was deciding to look at
us. And you know, while I

662
00:49:22.119 --> 00:49:25.000
didn't hear the whoop, I didn't
hear you know what it called the tape,

663
00:49:25.519 --> 00:49:29.400
take heart. It take heart something
that caused us to go in that

664
00:49:29.440 --> 00:49:31.880
direction. And then we went in
that direction, something was already looking at

665
00:49:31.960 --> 00:49:43.239
us. You know, that's pretty
It never blinked, never blinked. It's

666
00:49:43.280 --> 00:49:52.800
crazy, but it's such It's a
fascinating account because when you take into consideration

667
00:49:52.920 --> 00:49:59.599
everything before this, you are really
the most reluctant big footer that I've ever

668
00:49:59.679 --> 00:50:04.000
taught too, being able to talk
to Cliff and Bobo randomly, and then

669
00:50:04.199 --> 00:50:09.000
having this experience, and at this
point you're still not really into it.

670
00:50:09.079 --> 00:50:15.079
You're You're like, I'd rather go
to It's have a beer turn in for

671
00:50:15.119 --> 00:50:21.079
the night. But I mean,
after this happened, did you guys get

672
00:50:21.079 --> 00:50:25.400
any sleep or I bet Tate was
just revved up? Dude, absolutely,

673
00:50:27.000 --> 00:50:30.679
absolutely, yeah, No, It's
weird. I felt a lot of different

674
00:50:30.719 --> 00:50:37.599
things at once. Personally, part
of me was kind of offended that it

675
00:50:37.400 --> 00:50:43.000
looked at us and it made its
presence known, and then it ran away

676
00:50:43.159 --> 00:50:46.280
without showing its face, without doing
anything. So part of me wanted to

677
00:50:46.360 --> 00:50:51.159
run away, but then also part
of me wanted to like run towards it,

678
00:50:51.559 --> 00:50:52.599
you know, like, who do
you think you are? Just pop

679
00:50:52.599 --> 00:50:55.239
it out in the middle of the
night like this and scaring the Bejesus out

680
00:50:55.239 --> 00:50:58.679
of us? Who are you and
what are you doing? You know?

681
00:50:58.800 --> 00:51:00.760
Or what are you and what do
you do? If you are a big

682
00:51:00.800 --> 00:51:06.079
foot, let's pursue this and see
what it's all about. But after that,

683
00:51:06.280 --> 00:51:09.320
you know, Tate and Night we
were shook up. Yeah. I

684
00:51:09.360 --> 00:51:14.079
think initially we tried to relax a
little bit. We tried to go back

685
00:51:14.119 --> 00:51:15.679
to camp and kind of shake it
off a little bit and say, I

686
00:51:15.679 --> 00:51:19.800
don't know what it was, but
whatever it was, we can certainly still

687
00:51:19.800 --> 00:51:22.280
sleep and it's certainly gone. It's
probably not going to hurt us or anything

688
00:51:22.320 --> 00:51:29.280
like that. But we were too
scared. It was really nuts, and

689
00:51:29.320 --> 00:51:31.039
so Tate was asking me, He
said, hey, you know, what

690
00:51:31.039 --> 00:51:35.559
do you think about maybe going back
down to hill? And even though I

691
00:51:35.599 --> 00:51:38.039
knew going back down the hill would
mean that it would be the exact same

692
00:51:38.239 --> 00:51:40.800
arduous journey that it took us to
get up, you know, like an

693
00:51:40.840 --> 00:51:44.960
hour and a half a bumpy roads, I said, you know, I

694
00:51:45.000 --> 00:51:50.119
could use a change of scenery.
So we did the whole bumpy mountain.

695
00:51:50.199 --> 00:51:55.679
We packed everything back up, all
the way down the road and yeah,

696
00:51:55.960 --> 00:51:59.920
and at that point we tried to
sleep, just kind of making sense of

697
00:52:00.079 --> 00:52:08.079
what we saw. Do you ever
think tears? Do you ever? I

698
00:52:08.119 --> 00:52:14.159
would be questioning myself afterwards, like
what if you guys had stayed in that

699
00:52:14.400 --> 00:52:21.880
area, Like that's that's a question
I'd be asking myself for quite a few

700
00:52:21.960 --> 00:52:25.440
days afterwards. I don't know,
man, but you know it you had

701
00:52:25.480 --> 00:52:29.960
to make the call, right,
sort of the same thing. Should I

702
00:52:30.039 --> 00:52:35.119
run away or should I run towards
it? Yeah? Yeah, yeah,

703
00:52:35.199 --> 00:52:37.760
yeah, I think I think,
you know, just because we were so

704
00:52:37.840 --> 00:52:40.760
completely bewildered and we were so not
expecting it. You know, we didn't

705
00:52:40.760 --> 00:52:45.960
have any guns, we didn't have
really any defenses or anything whatsoever. We

706
00:52:45.960 --> 00:52:47.960
were totally shocked by the experience.
I mean, the whole experience was just

707
00:52:49.039 --> 00:52:52.159
be able to show that money maker
something to take down, you know,

708
00:52:52.239 --> 00:52:53.400
and like the big foot calling,
which is kind of like a plus,

709
00:52:53.480 --> 00:52:57.239
it was kind of an add on
so to actually, you know, run

710
00:52:57.239 --> 00:53:00.559
into something. I was really trying
to try to trying to disprove it.

711
00:53:01.039 --> 00:53:02.840
You know, in my mind,
I was thinking, well, it could

712
00:53:02.840 --> 00:53:05.920
have been it could have been a
deer, could have been a bear,

713
00:53:06.039 --> 00:53:07.199
could have been this, could have
that, could have been a person.

714
00:53:07.360 --> 00:53:10.199
I don't know, and I really
just tried to shut it out of my

715
00:53:10.199 --> 00:53:15.519
mind until the morning. And at
that point even then, I said,

716
00:53:15.519 --> 00:53:19.239
you know, we saw something creepy
and scary in the night. But a

717
00:53:19.280 --> 00:53:21.880
lot of things are creep being scary
in the night. It could have been

718
00:53:21.880 --> 00:53:24.440
anything. I don't know what it
was, but it was only upon like

719
00:53:24.679 --> 00:53:31.679
further inspection of the evidence seeing actually
how far away it was. Turns out

720
00:53:31.760 --> 00:53:37.639
it wasn't fifty feet away. It
was like three hundred feet away. You

721
00:53:37.679 --> 00:53:40.199
know. We literally like took a
tape measure that was like fifteen feet long

722
00:53:40.320 --> 00:53:45.800
or twenty feet long, and we
just you know, one person stood and

723
00:53:45.159 --> 00:53:49.920
hold and held the metal part of
the tape measure tape measure, and then

724
00:53:49.920 --> 00:53:52.320
the other person took the tape part
of the tape measure, and we just

725
00:53:52.320 --> 00:53:53.559
went back and forth and back and
forth, and we thought, this is

726
00:53:53.639 --> 00:53:57.760
crazy, how far away it was. It must have been large. It

727
00:53:57.880 --> 00:54:01.599
must have been a large animal earth
thing, whatever it was. And when

728
00:54:01.599 --> 00:54:06.599
we went over to where it would
have been standing, because Tate saw on

729
00:54:06.639 --> 00:54:12.760
the thermal imaging camera on the fleer, he saw something on there where he

730
00:54:12.800 --> 00:54:19.360
didn't see that before. He didn't
see the thermal image in the fleer live

731
00:54:19.719 --> 00:54:22.440
as it was happening. He only
saw that portion of it like the next

732
00:54:22.519 --> 00:54:27.360
day when he was looking at the
footage because it's too hard, like he

733
00:54:27.599 --> 00:54:30.719
had one eye open and focusing on
the eyes and then another eye trying to

734
00:54:30.760 --> 00:54:35.599
film it with your fleer or whatever. It was too much, and so

735
00:54:35.639 --> 00:54:37.119
he said, wait a second,
there was something there, you know for

736
00:54:37.199 --> 00:54:42.159
sure, and it stood up,
and on that fleer he was able to

737
00:54:42.199 --> 00:54:45.239
see that, oh, there's a
ridge right here, and then there's a

738
00:54:45.239 --> 00:54:47.840
tree right here. So we were
able to go the exact spot where it

739
00:54:49.000 --> 00:54:52.039
was next to the ridge and next
to the tree, and we saw that

740
00:54:52.079 --> 00:54:58.639
there's like a straight drop behind that
tree. There's no trail, there's no

741
00:54:58.800 --> 00:55:05.239
nothing, there's like a seventy or
eighty degree eighty degree mountain or something like

742
00:55:05.320 --> 00:55:07.960
that, and we're just thinking,
what in the world could it have been.

743
00:55:08.639 --> 00:55:15.719
You know, it must have been
hiding right behind that ridge and kind

744
00:55:15.760 --> 00:55:19.480
of just next to the tree,
just checking us out. And then as

745
00:55:19.480 --> 00:55:22.480
soon as it was done checking us
out, it just turned around and walked

746
00:55:22.480 --> 00:55:32.280
down this seventy or eighty degree mountain. Man, that is, it's such

747
00:55:32.320 --> 00:55:39.400
a wild story. When you left
that area, in your mind, what

748
00:55:39.440 --> 00:55:45.400
had you come to think? What
do you think do you think that was

749
00:55:45.440 --> 00:55:47.440
a big foot there that night or
what was in your head when you were

750
00:55:47.519 --> 00:55:55.400
leaving your just maybe as confused as
ever. I have no idea what else

751
00:55:55.440 --> 00:56:00.039
it could be. You know,
I've gone through my mind and I don't

752
00:56:00.039 --> 00:56:05.000
know much about bears. I don't
know much about deers or birds or wildlife

753
00:56:05.079 --> 00:56:07.440
or anything like that. So I
don't feel like I'm an expert in saying

754
00:56:07.519 --> 00:56:12.199
that it couldn't have been those things. Perhaps it could, Perhaps it could.

755
00:56:13.960 --> 00:56:19.280
But watching the footage and listening to
other people talk about it, listening

756
00:56:19.320 --> 00:56:22.840
to people who are really good at
ruling this stuff out and narrowing things down,

757
00:56:22.880 --> 00:56:27.559
people with a lot more experience and
knowledge than me, they make a

758
00:56:27.599 --> 00:56:30.960
lot of really good points. And
I still have no better explanation for what

759
00:56:31.039 --> 00:56:37.400
I saw. But it's like,
if it wasn't Bigfoot, then then what

760
00:56:37.480 --> 00:56:42.760
was it? I have no good
I have no good explanation. You know,

761
00:56:44.960 --> 00:56:52.000
there's been a few there's been taught
Tastes. Tats made a documentary episode

762
00:56:52.039 --> 00:56:53.920
about this, and I'll have it
in the show notes, and there's been

763
00:56:54.000 --> 00:56:59.599
others as well, So I'll make
sure that there's plenty of resources for this

764
00:56:59.679 --> 00:57:04.920
episod. So if people want to
dig deeper, which I would definitely recommend

765
00:57:05.159 --> 00:57:10.239
that you do this whole experience.
Did how did it affect you getting more

766
00:57:10.280 --> 00:57:15.880
into bigfoot at all? Or were
you really the same person as regards to

767
00:57:15.920 --> 00:57:22.719
bigfoot before first? After? No, I'm definitely a little more of a

768
00:57:22.719 --> 00:57:28.280
believer. I'm definitely a little more
of a believer. You know. There's

769
00:57:28.320 --> 00:57:30.719
there's no way that there's been all
these stories, and even I have a

770
00:57:30.760 --> 00:57:35.559
story, and you're telling me that
they have no common element, that this

771
00:57:35.639 --> 00:57:38.840
is just all people just imagining things
or making stuff up, you know,

772
00:57:38.920 --> 00:57:43.480
even though they have nothing to gain, just like me, I have nothing

773
00:57:43.559 --> 00:57:50.599
to gain, right exactly. Austin
has no book or podcast, He has

774
00:57:50.639 --> 00:57:59.079
nothing to gain from him talking to
me tonight. It's just it's a very

775
00:57:59.519 --> 00:58:04.199
interesting account and I I'm so thankful
that you agreed to come on. Have

776
00:58:04.360 --> 00:58:09.360
you been involved with any other expeditions
or going out and looking for stuff since

777
00:58:09.440 --> 00:58:15.920
that time? There was that second
time that we went, I think with

778
00:58:16.320 --> 00:58:22.039
Jonathan Easley and I think a few
other people as well. And he's another

779
00:58:22.079 --> 00:58:28.800
guy that I'm just super impressed and
interested in. He does that West Western

780
00:58:28.840 --> 00:58:37.360
bigfoot theory or exploration exploration. It's
a very very good channel. His camera

781
00:58:37.519 --> 00:58:44.119
is intense, but him too,
you know, he's so knowledgeable and he's

782
00:58:44.119 --> 00:58:46.719
so enthusiastic. And we went back
out there. You know, he told

783
00:58:46.719 --> 00:58:51.239
me straight up that he went out
there to disprove it, you know what.

784
00:58:51.239 --> 00:58:53.440
It basically said that you guys didn't
really see anything. But the more

785
00:58:53.480 --> 00:58:57.559
that you talk to me and my
experience, and I'm just sharing events as

786
00:58:57.599 --> 00:58:59.880
they happen to me, I don't
really have any dog in the fights.

787
00:59:00.039 --> 00:59:01.960
Wait a second, you saw this, you saw that, and they did

788
00:59:02.000 --> 00:59:07.119
this, and they did that.
Wait a second. So that that was

789
00:59:07.199 --> 00:59:10.800
the next time that we went out
there, and I didn't have any experiences

790
00:59:10.840 --> 00:59:15.559
at that time. But I really
am starting to put the pieces together that

791
00:59:16.960 --> 00:59:21.880
even though I have nothing to gain, you know, per se Gosh,

792
00:59:21.920 --> 00:59:27.440
it's so interesting and it kind of
has sparked my own adult curiosity a little

793
00:59:27.440 --> 00:59:30.480
bit as to what's going on around
here. You know. Wow, pretty

794
00:59:30.480 --> 00:59:36.159
cool. Do you think he might
ever go out to that area a third

795
00:59:36.199 --> 00:59:42.639
time? It's funny you should mention
it. I will be going in a

796
00:59:42.639 --> 00:59:47.800
couple of days this Saturday. Yeah, Yeah, Take's going out there.

797
00:59:49.280 --> 00:59:51.960
I think he has a few other
people going out with him. He's always

798
00:59:51.960 --> 00:59:55.920
got some some big crew. But
I'm really going to look at the place

799
00:59:55.960 --> 01:00:01.199
again and really consider it very seriously
and not try to disprove it. But

800
01:00:02.079 --> 01:00:05.800
I don't know, kind of goes
a little bit more of an open mind.

801
01:00:07.679 --> 01:00:13.480
Yeah, it'll be interesting to see
what occurs. This will this will

802
01:00:13.519 --> 01:00:19.199
come out probably after after that trip. But I'll be very curious to see

803
01:00:19.599 --> 01:00:24.760
what you guys notice after a third
trip out to that point. But Austin,

804
01:00:24.840 --> 01:00:30.960
this has been such a fun conversation. Thank you for spending some time

805
01:00:30.000 --> 01:00:36.480
with us. I will ask you
if there's anything that you want to to

806
01:00:37.239 --> 01:00:42.599
plug or give you the chance,
but it sounds like probably not. Oh

807
01:00:42.760 --> 01:00:47.679
thank you. Well, definitely not
as far as you know items are concerned

808
01:00:47.719 --> 01:00:52.760
professionally or or or or or big
footly. I'm kind of a photographer.

809
01:00:53.679 --> 01:00:58.320
I do like to take a lot
of photos. It's just like my average,

810
01:00:58.719 --> 01:01:02.760
ordinary neighborhood stuff. So kind of
through COVID, I just started taking

811
01:01:02.800 --> 01:01:07.239
like these funny little photos. It's
just funny stuff I saw my walks around

812
01:01:07.239 --> 01:01:12.559
my neighborhood and it really kind of
took off and I really like to try

813
01:01:12.639 --> 01:01:17.079
to Yeah, I think a lot
of happiness can be derived in satisfaction and

814
01:01:17.199 --> 01:01:22.280
being satisfied with where you are and
with what you're doing, and so these

815
01:01:22.320 --> 01:01:25.639
photos are kind of an experiment of
that and getting more in touch with my

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current surroundings, being satisfied with what
I have. So my Instagram is an

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Austigram, so it's a ust I
and then g R a M so Austigram

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and I just post a lot of
photos of beautiful Ventura, but I try

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to bring out the extra in the
ordinary, if that makes any sense,

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and it's something I like to think
anybody can do. They can appreciate the

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surroundings. That is awesome. We'll
definitely have that in the show notes as

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well. People can keep up to
date with your photography. But man,

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thanks so much for coming on.
And I'll have to keep an ear out.

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If you're involved with any other cool
things in the future, let me

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know. So thanks so much,
Jeremiah. Such a pleasure, and you're

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such a good interviewer and you're such
a great enthusiast and I'm just so grateful

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to being able to have this time
with you, and thank you for being

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open minded and listening to my crazy
story. Well, thank you, Austin.

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You're a Bigfoot Society article is to
provide a platform for those that have

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encountered Bigfoot to share their encounter in
a safe and respected environment. But we

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need to hear your story. If
you've experienced something that you just can't explain,

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please send me an email at Bigfoot
Society at gmail dot com. Then

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we can start the conversation. I
know a lot of you have not your

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encounter at all. It's been twenty
years and it's time that you get this

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off your chest and then you can
get some well deserved for rest, because

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I know you haven't been sleeping.
I understand what you're going through, and

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I appreciate every one of you listening