Jeff Carpenter, Western North Carolina Bigfoot Researcher

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one, All right, Big Faciety. You have the privilege of talking to

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mister Jeff Carpenter from the great state
of North Carolina tonight. How's it going,

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Jeff good. I'll just laughing a
little bit about that, mister thing.

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Jeff works just fine. Mister makes
me feel real old Jeremia. Mister

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Carpenter's my father, and you are. You are in a cool part of

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North carol You're out in the western
part near Cherokee and the Great Smoky Mountains

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and you got all that cool stuff
going on. And just to give a

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little background about you, and we'll
hear much more later. But you're with

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the BFRO, You're with the KBrO, which is a Kentucky Bigfoot research organization,

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and you've got some other another group
you're in. But we'll hear about

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that later. But how's it going
tonight out there, Jeff, It's going

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good, a little better than the
first time. We try to think.

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We both were having some electrical storms
going on last week, but doing great.

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Jeremiah, living a little background,
living sel, North Carolina. That's

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s y o Va. It's right
near Cherokee, North Carolina, where most

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people know because of the casino now
on the Smokies. We're just right outside.

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I'm about ten miles out of the
Great Smoky Mountains National Park in western

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North Carolina and lived here. My
family's been here in western North Carolina since

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the early late seventeen hundreds probably,
And uh, we have a rich I

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like to talk about a little bit. It's okay about my Appalachian history.

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And when we were talking on the
phone, it was really neat to hear

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that your you and your dad both
had read the fox Fire Books and I

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like to tell people my family are
just Appalachian people that grew up right outside

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of Clayton, Georgia, on the
North Carolina line and otto North Carolina.

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And they were my grandfather Harley Carpenter, And I think he might have a

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picture of Papa there. He was
one of the first people interviewed for the

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fox Fire Books series, and later
on they made a play out of the

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book and yeah, that's Papa telling
telling the tale there. He was definitely

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a mountain man for sure, and
loved a lot of things, you know

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there. Uh, was one of
the first people getting interviewed for the fox

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Fire Boo books. And my great
aunt Airy Carpenter by marriage, was the

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person that made the movie about with
John Denver and Hugh Crohne and Jessica Tandy.

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She played at Airy Carpenter And that's
on the cover of the first book.

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I think that you said you have
there. Oh, was there a

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movie about it too? Yeah,
it was made as a Hallmark movie.

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Yeah. The whole gist of the
story, which is really impactful nowadays,

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is you know they didn't want her
husband had died and she was there a

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son which was John Denver was trying
to get her to sell Hear mountain property

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and moved down to outside of Atlanta, and she just didn't want to do

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that, you know. And she
lived a little cabin, little cabin type

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thing. And I'm just very proud
of my mountain heritage, and I bring

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this up in all my presentations because
I do want people to understand where I'm

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from and my family, my background, because it's a little different. I

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had a great upbringing by my parents. Now, they were very country.

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Some people would call my families dirt
people, which is a derogatory mark in

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my mind, but they're Appalachian mountain
people. And how's my father, Irvin

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Carpenter. He was just it's hard
for me to talk about. My Daddy's

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been passed away about thirty years now. Now. It gave you that picture

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because he's really proud of that when
he won the Biggest Gobbler contest in nineteen

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eighty one. But that was a
daddy was a mountains man, mountain man.

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Now he they've written stories about.
My Daddy's nickname was Old High Top.

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He just loved the mountains more than
anybody ever met. And I grew

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up I think I went raccoon hunting
the first time when I was maybe six

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years old or five of my dad. So I'm very comfortable being out in

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the woods of a night and a
dark and Deddy helped, by the way,

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give you a little tidbit our jeeryman. He helped restock the turkey back

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in western North Carolina through the Wild
Turkey Federation. They were about gone.

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Papa used to call him mud hens. That was one of his nicknames for

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him, and grew up learned how
to call them with a brier leaf and

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things like that. But I always
tell people Appalachian people, uh, you

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know, we're looked down upon a
lot of it's caused the movies and things.

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But they were probably the most resourceful
people, you know. They,

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in my opinion, vented recycling.
My grandfather on both sides never would go

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away now because it was hard to
get come by. The reason I bring

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all this up though, to kind
of cut short here is two people understand

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my background. As my father raised
me, he was a master tracker.

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And again we jin sang hunt deer, hunt raccoon at fish. But we

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just would just spend a lot of
time in the woods and uh, you

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know, He taught me about looking
at track and sign it's not the big

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things you look for us to subtle
things that you try to find, you

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know, that type of thing.
And he was just the best. He

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raised a lot of other guys besides
me and my brother out in the woods,

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and he was just a real special
person and I always paid tribute to

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Dad. He kind of got me
here. I'll never forget Jeremi real quick.

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Like, we were sitting in a
place called Deer Cove and hopefully some

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of your listeners might know where that's
out of there and making County, North

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Carolina, but it's a real remote
place. We were jin Saint hunting and

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sitting on a ridge, and I'll
never get dead. Was sitting over on

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a log away from just doing that
far away look, you know, which

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I always kind of dreaded when I
was a kid, because that means we're

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gonna go walking over that next ridge
and there's no flat land where we live

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at. And he just said,
you know, Jeff, you need to

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listen to the woods or the mountains. Sometimes they got something to say.

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And I found out very prophetic now
kind of what I've gotten into, you

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know, So I don't think he
ever had any strange sightings. He never

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missed to him, but he did
see mountain lions. He's seen two mountain

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lions in his life, and which
is a very rare thing to see here.

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I know people say they're not here, but they do cruise through the

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area sometimes I do believe, and
I've seen tracks, but I'm not actually

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seen one. But one of the
things though is Appalachian people telling the truth

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is a big thing, as you
probably know, just the way we're raised,

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and lying's kind of sin pretty much, and it's just you're supposed to

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be straightforward and truthful to people and
honest, that type of thing. And

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I always kind of prefaced that because
of things. I'll tell people where actually

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what happened, word for word,
citing for sighting, what I heard,

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what I heard. It's just who
I am, and it's been very successful

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for me for what I do.
But this is what I am, and

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also my background to tell people that's
listening. I was a parks and recreation

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director for about twenty eight years.
I worked for Jackson County, North Carolina

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for thirty two years, and I'm
a parks and recreation back A graduate from

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Western Carolina university and one of the
first people in my family to graduate from

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college. So really proud of that. And that's a lot of my dad's

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doing again, and you know,
he was just very much about education and

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learning things. But he taught me
a lot about the woods that you just

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can't you just can't get any other
way. If that makes sense. I

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think that makes a total sense.
A lot of that that knowledge about the

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woods, especially from that area,
you're not going to find in a book,

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but if you do, it's in
the fox Fire books. You know,

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as you alluded to, you know, my my I guess you could

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say my father was a naturalist slash
camp director and he had those books and

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just the info in those books were
just incredible. You and I read them

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when I was about ten, but
it was my first introduction to the ways

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of Appalachian Appalachia even though we lived
up in the northeast. And uh,

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it's just cool listeners. I'll have
the links in the show notes. They're

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cool books. If you can find
them. You're kind of hard to find

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now that they're very hard to find. Yeah, and by the way,

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there's a museum in Dealer George did
Jeremy if you've ever done this way,

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and if you are, I appreciate
horor at me, I'll kind of take

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around. But there is a museum
there that's really neat for people to see.

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It's in Dealer, Georgia. It's
the official fox Fire Museum. You

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know. Oh wow, Yeah,
totally. I'll put that on the on

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the trip list because we'll get over
there eventually for expedition Bigfoot Museum. So

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I wanted to real quickly explain to
people about our area that we live in

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Germany, to live near the Great
Smoky Mountain National Park, and you know,

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years ago, you know, I
didn't really think about Big phil Lot.

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I've seen the film, but you
know, that was kind of thing

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out in Northwest. You know,
it's kind of cool, you know,

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but just didn't really think about it
being here at all. But one thing

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a lot of people don't know about
is how much public land we have in

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western North Carolina. I just want
to give your listeners a little stature.

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Everybody thinks about the Smokies, but
the Smokies is really basically the smallest,

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one of the smallest that we have. So and these are all connected.

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Did jeremither all connected? There's Pezgan
National Force. I'm gonna look at my

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notes if you don't mind, so
I'll get the numbers right. Pezgan National

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Forces near Asheville is five hundred and
twelve thousand acres. Then we have the

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Natahla National Force, which by the
way, in Cherokee means the Land of

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the Noonday Sun. It has five
hundred and thirty one thousand acres. And

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then we have Chattahoochee National Force,
which is kind of North Carolina Georgia kind

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of you know, kind of goes
across two or three states. That's eight

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hundred and sixty six thousand acres.
And then the Smokies has five hundred and

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twenty two thousand acres a little more
than that. So you have two million,

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four hundred and thirty two thousand acres
that's connected. That's public land,

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and that's how big an area it
is. And people don't really look at

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it that way. They look at
the Smokeys and they just, I guess,

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just don't really realize that they're all
connected and it's a vast area.

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So what I'm getting at is a
good friend of mine on Mitch and I

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think you've interviewed in Matt prude.
He's one of the better researchers you ever

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meet. Great book out by the
way. I'm talking to him this week

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about his book actually, so I'm
excited. Talked to him again. Yeah,

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yeah, yeah, tell him.
I said hello, and we talked

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once twice a month. Matt got
me into this stuff. And I'll mentioned

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here in a minute, but uh
it's He's like, Jeff, why do

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you go other places? You got
the best place and on the East for

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sure, to research. And so
I spend a lot of time here doing

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a lot of research. And I'm
I'm more of a field researcher Jeremy.

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I like, this is the way
I grew up. And since I'm retired

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now I've been retired about ten years, I get to spend a lot of

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time now. I'm just recovering fully
recovered now from my fifth knee surgery,

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but from old college basketball injury.
But it's a little set back this spring.

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But usually, say last I think
it's last year or year before last,

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I camped eighty two days maybe doing
research, and uh, I just

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I just like it. Most time
I'm by myself, and that sounds crazy,

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and that's not a good thing for
the listeners to do. But again

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I'm a little comfortable with that,
and I make sure everybody knows where I'm

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at. And I do like the
idea of putting yourself out there a little

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bit where you're not a lot of
people, if that makes sense, you

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know, But that's our area,
and it's again if people's not been to.

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The western North Carolina area is very
beautiful. The Smokies is the most

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visited park in the National Park System
and also a little staff for people that

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don't know. It's also the most
if I can get this right because it

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constantly changed her it's the most bildiverse
park in the National Park System. But

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also it had they're documenting the different
species and this has been ongoing for years

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now. I think they've documented nineteen
thousand different species in the Smokies and they

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think when they're finished, it could
be up to one hundred thousand different species

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of you know, plant life,
animal life, different things. It's just

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they found they found all kinds of
salamanders all the time. They're just a

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different species. It's a really interesting
study there, for sure. Such a

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diverse area and a wide area of
land there has got to be and I

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already know the answers. I know
because I've talked to people. But there

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is a history of bigfoot in this
area that is intense. Yeah, for

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sure. Is that anything that you
could share about, like how far does

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this bigfoot? These reports and the
legends go back in the history of North

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Carolina where you're at. And now
Matt's documented some of those boyle doing research

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on newspapers. He can tell you
even more. But due to my lucky

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I'm just the luckiest guy in the
world. Sometimes things sometimes I think something's

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guiding me to this kind of research. It's kind of weird. But as

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a part director, I was over
Judah Color Rock project, which is a

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piece of county property that was donated
to us, which is the largest petroglyph

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in the Southeast. It's great and
I think you have a picture of Judah

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Color Rock there and a drawing we
had depicted of Judah Color which is actually

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tutacolor in Cherokee, which means slant
eyed giant keeper of the forest, and

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the Cherokees have that was an hardist
rendering. In the background is an actual

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picture taking years ago where they had
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it's not spray packed, but child
in the symbols. There's hundreds of symbols

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in this rock, and even a
copy of Judah Coulor's hand kind of type

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of thing. But Judah Color was
a big legend if he may of the

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Cherokees, and he was a keeper
of the forest, which a lot of

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people have heard about. Was your
female. And then Stoneman was around,

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but I guess an enemy of spear
fingers, but stow men. If you

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see stone men, you turn to
stone. We'll be back with more big

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Foot society after these words from our
sponsors. Now my interpretation that Jeremiah would

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be you go into shop pretty much
so. And there's also I miss and

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see other local ledges and it's not
Cherokee. This would be more an English

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leggs. And back in the eighteen
hundreds is Boogeum, which is a local

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brewery now in Wangsville. But boogem
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and would steal their food. And
then there's also hoot Nanny. One of

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our famous authors here, John Paris. He's passed away years ago, but

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he wrote about mountain stories and hoot
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near a place near Laurel Ridge.
There was a lodge there in the eighteen

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hundreds and they would see this hairy
wild woman. It would come and whistle

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and hoot. And that's where the
term, he says, hooting nanny comes

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from, although that's debatable, you
know, because that means dancing too,

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you know that type of thing.
But there's just a lot of legends here

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locally of that. You know that
type of thing. When you dig into

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it, and there's a lot of
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pop up out of the clear blue. One was years ago a guy told

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me about his grandfather building the first
train into Asheville. His great grandfather would

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talk about they had food being stoled
in their logging camp. He was a

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logger and they thought it was the
campers getting in and sneaking. The cook

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did and they hired a person to
come in he said with dogs. This

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was relayed by his grandson to me
that and they shot it and it was

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they said, looked like a monkey
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this was in the late eighteen hundreds, so they didn't know about gorillas in

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those days. So that I found
out to be a fascinating reportant. He

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told his family of stories for years
before he passed away. But there's a

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lot of older stuff in history in
the mountains here, and of course the

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Smokies has the myths, so there's
makes it mysterious too, if that makes

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sense. Sometimes it's a very mysterious
place. Did he say so they just

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shot at it or did they actually
do you know he's actually killed the creature?

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He uh, And I never met
the man. This is a set

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story. But he said it was
shot and it was a smaller monkey,

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is what he would tell his family
without a tale. This is a random

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story. Guy just riding a horse
one day bumped into me and said,

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Hey, are you doing what I
think you're doing? I said, you

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know when you hear that as researcher, like, oh, here we go.

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But then I found out he was
a king to my wife. His

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cousin is distantly lady to my wife's
cousin, so it was somebody. Now.

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This guy was in Georgia when I
was talking to him, but he

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was referring to an instantly happened to
on what's called Black Mountain. When they're

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building the railroad up to Black Mountain
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that type of thing. So,
but that is due to color there or

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rending of that. It was a
great project. We worked with archaeologists on

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that project. I did for probably
about four years and worked with the Eastern

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Rock Arts Society and the Forest Surface
and it's a great mysterious thing. We've

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had a couple of TV shows and
I don't want to say which one I

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was before retired against them coming to
film it because it went against the historical

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record that we had uncovered about the
rock. You know how things can get

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changed a little bit or put into
certain people's interpretations. But the county let

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them do it. So there've been
two documentaries plus numerous YouTube videos done at

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due to color row and that's a
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judicolor is the English way of saying. There. That is extremely interesting.

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And those those uh, those legends
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Native American history. It's just it's
just so fascinating. How you know,

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you can you can start to wonder, you know, how how much

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of that is is related to to
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the not on the Pacific Northwest.
You have a lot of that with the

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the totem poles. But that's that's
something I didn't know with the judaicole of

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rock. That's very cool. I'm
going to look more into that for sure.

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Thank you for sharing that. It's
really cool. Yeah. They uh,

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you know, most myths are based
in some form of reality, you

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know. And real quick thought.
You hear me mentioning just me about my

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son. He's an athlete. He's
now a basketball recruiter for a school.

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And and then my daughter has an
interesting job. She's older than my son,

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but she's my anthropologist by degree,
and she's a zookeeper by trade,

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and she works with grillas and primates
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So I'm a little different than a
lot of researchers I have heard about

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ideas off of It's tough for her
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She can't really comment publicly on things
because they have to go through their

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media people. But Camisca's very knowledgeable, So I know a lot about primate

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behavior for sure, you know,
because of her that would be of really

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interesting. Oh, I bet you
have some really interesting conversations that would be

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cool. Yeah, we do.
I'll mention one here in a little bit.

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I don't know if she'll appreciate me
bishing it, but it's a little

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theory she had about just you know, sasquatch, which I like better than

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Bigfoot. You know, big Foot
makes you think of just one task.

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Watches makes you think of many kind
of thing, and it's just a better

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name, I do believe. But
yeah, I've had two sightings Jeremiah that,

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uh, well, I guess I
should tell you how I got into

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this. Absolutely yeah, and again
it starts with my kids. I'm a

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again parks and rec director and your
dad ran I think you said, a

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summer campus and a camp director,
you know, being his son. How

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that works. You don't get to
see him a lot. It's interesting.

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It's a lot of fun, but
it's interesting. Yeah. Yeah, so

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it's a recreation programmer and recreation director. For twenty something years, I was

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working a lot, but my son
got up. My daughter never was interested

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hunting, and I've quit hunting just
because I'm into this, and I don't

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know, it doesn't really fit my
profile really good. I never was much

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of a if I'm gonna shoot something, I'm gonna use it. You know,

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I just can't do that. I
just always be my nature. And

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so I was taking my son the
very first thing that I noticed here.

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He was about ten or eleven.
I just took him there a port to

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day. So we was trying to
figure out it's been so long ago.

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He's be thirty this year, and
I took him to go deer scout,

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to teach him, you know,
how to deer scout and what it is.

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My dad had a little secret honey
hole down near a river there in

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our area. That was just a
secret, good little place, and I

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was We always put out salt blocks
or apples, things like that, but

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we never hunted over it, if
you know how that works. And so

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I took him and it is a
heck of a walk down. It's really

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steeping mounting into this little hole near
the river, perfect little pocket area,

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and he just generally his war out, not much interesting things. But as

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we were coming back up the ridgeline, I don't know if you know about

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scouting, but you don't want to
profile yourself on a ridge though. You

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want to kind of stay below the
break of the ridge and just kind of

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look over the ridge. So I
was trying to show him that, and

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he was laying down the leaves,
like Dad, I'm tired, you know,

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the type of thing. And I
looked down in this area and uh,

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it's kind of a bowl and that's
where we usually hunted at. But

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the salt block was over behind this
kind of and I looked at her.

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In the middle of this little area
is a little opening and there were two

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hemlocks, you know, probably about
if I can get the direction right about,

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you know, yay, bigger around
and h I knew they were there.

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I just happened to notice that the
tops route of them. Well,

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me being me, I kind of
get into things, as you has to

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other researchers. I was walk off
lots of times to leave people. I

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just took off down the hill because
I thought there's a bowl hunter and had

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my hunting spot because we had a
stand in there. So we and again

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it's not at the salt block,
it's over the ridge from it. So

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I go trumps and down through the
arn't just leave with you, and it's

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just getting close to dark, you
know. We get down there and I

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look up and these two big hemlocks, you know, about eight foot I

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think I measure about eight foot four
both of them, and they're kind of

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growing together, kind of you know, side beside, but there's nothing anywhere

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around them, close to all the
tops. When I got there, I

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was the fuddled. They were twisted, twisted and peeled. The peel probably

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was at least two foot long,
and I was just blown away. You

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could see the fibers in the tree. Jeremy, it was just I'd never

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seen anything like that. I've seen
plenty of black bear, I see.

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I think two years ago, I've
seen seventeen black bear, you know,

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out researching and just goofing around.
But they, you know, they'll climb

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a cherry tree and strip it,
you know, and then go down to

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bottom and eat the cherries off of
it, you know, that type of

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thing. So I'm looking for the
tops right because I'm just a fuddled,

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and Winds made it down there and
he's laying the leaves again. He's like,

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Dad, you're stupid. They're underneath
the tree, and there was both

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tops that point first underneath the tree. They were dead. So I pulled

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him out and I'm looking at him. I'd already checked the tree, you

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know, hemlocks have really thin branches. They're not really so if some climbs

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that you could tell he'd break it
like a bear or something, and raccoon

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could have done that. The only
thing possible. It could have been a

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black bear. But the tops had
no bottom marks, nothing, absolutely nothing.

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Now I'm really befuddled. It's hit
me that William's asking questions. I

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don't want to scare him because I
wanted to go back in the woods,

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you know, I'm like, what
is going on? So I go back

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there a couple of weeks later,
and I find two more of these things,

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and I'm really befuddled. So I
start going online. This was again,

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I think two thousand and four maybe, And jeez, I'm just fun.

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I'm doing all kinds of research now
and I've heard about bigfoot. You

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could research it on the internet doing
tree twist. I'm like, what,

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There's no way that can be here
in western North Carolina. That's stupid.

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And then another time and him were
doing some scouting and we came across this

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little spot. It's hard to describe. I hope I'm trying to describe things.

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I hope I'm doing a good job
of putting pictures where people can imagine.

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But we were on old trail and
there's some barbed wires and it was

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like a little bit of a wet
weather spring Jeremiah, where water was seeping

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up and it's kind of mossy.
But I could tell again subtle sign that

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something went through there, had just
barely broke some of those briars a little

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bit. So I'd stopped to show
with him, and it was just about

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dark getting dark and dusky dark,
and we're close to the truck and he's

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like, duh, I don't want
to go, And I was like,

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Weave, something's been in here.
Let's see what he is. So I

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stepped in there. Once I got
into that mossy, wet weather area where

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it was his clean's day, about
a fifteen a half inch human like footprint.

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There were four of them. I
didn't know what to think. I

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was a fuddle and my son's best
friend played basketball. I won't mention his

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name because I hadn't asked to say
his name at North Carolina. He's six

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foot eight and he's dad six foot
nine. He always has this really you

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know, he has a large foot, and we didn't know how to refer

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he said, Dad, that's bigger
than my buddy's foot, you know.

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And I was like, he said, what is that? And I was

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like, uh, you know,
I didn't want to scare him. There's

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no way. It was a double
track, because you know, I'm used

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to the bear tracks and Dad was
a bear hunter. You can tell there'll

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be a little breaking that line of
the track, if that makes sense where

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you you might not see the toes, but it won't. It won't make

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an even line if absolutely dead.
And I just like, no way,

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and then we went back over again. Growing up with my dad, we'd

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do night rides a lot just to
see wildlife when I was a kid,

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so I've always done those. So
I started doing more of those. And

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one night, men Win was driving
on a gravel road close to this spot,

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maybe four months later five and we
hear the loudest how you know.

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Ever here we were driving with the
winds down and hurt to how that's how

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loud it was. So we stopped
and anyhow it again, and of course

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he figured out by then what was
going on. He's like, Dad,

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is that a big foot? What
is that? And I said, it's

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not a code and it's not a
ow, And that's the way I kind

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of think to tell listeners out there. I try to as much as I

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can, jar M, I debunk
things because it doesn't make any sense to

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go to to the least likely thing
first. Do you want to go to

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the most obvious thing first and then
try to work your way down to that,

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if that makes sense. But that's
the way I got started. So

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years later, I come on a
website, come upon a webside of this

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guy in North Georgia, and I
was like, Hey, that sounds cool.

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I'll call a guy and his name
was Matt Prutt and uh, Matt,

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he says it was two to three
years. We have a cost an

405
00:28:22.400 --> 00:28:23.799
argument about how long it took him
to get me to come to one of

406
00:28:23.839 --> 00:28:27.880
these BFR things because I was just
like, I hate to say, I'm

407
00:28:27.920 --> 00:28:32.680
gonna go out there with him crazy
people, you know, and uh,

408
00:28:32.720 --> 00:28:34.960
he finally taught me into it.
And again it was a good time because

409
00:28:36.000 --> 00:28:41.200
I was retiring in two thousand and
thirteen and it was in my area he

410
00:28:41.240 --> 00:28:44.000
wanted to do when he wanted to
use me as a resource and then as

411
00:28:44.039 --> 00:28:48.119
a you know, a lead,
you know, kind of a you know,

412
00:28:48.279 --> 00:28:52.119
traill league guy and I and uh. And what was weird was when

413
00:28:52.119 --> 00:28:53.920
we were talking the first time,
he said, hey, have you been

414
00:28:55.000 --> 00:28:56.480
to this such a such spot?
And that was where I was having all

415
00:28:56.519 --> 00:29:00.640
this activity yet and I hadn't even
mentioned it to it. It was just

416
00:29:00.680 --> 00:29:03.200
a weird quinstance. But me and
Matt has become really close. And I

417
00:29:03.240 --> 00:29:07.920
know you've interviewed Matt and going to
again. As you said, he's just

418
00:29:07.039 --> 00:29:14.200
a great resource and just he studies
stuff. It's amazing, and he's just

419
00:29:14.279 --> 00:29:18.480
a really good friend. He lives, you know, out so it's a

420
00:29:18.519 --> 00:29:22.079
little hard to get up with Matt. You know, we still get together

421
00:29:22.200 --> 00:29:26.720
some and h and again I was
wrong about that. When I went there,

422
00:29:26.759 --> 00:29:30.519
I met a lot of people,
biologists, people, you know,

423
00:29:30.000 --> 00:29:33.880
all kinds of good researchers. It
was a good thing. And after that

424
00:29:34.000 --> 00:29:38.359
night, that weekend, Matt wanted
me to be a b fr O investigator,

425
00:29:40.279 --> 00:29:41.880
and so I started doing it.
I've been doing a little on my

426
00:29:41.880 --> 00:29:45.920
own for four or five years,
and so I agreed to do it reluctantly.

427
00:29:45.960 --> 00:29:48.799
As you can tell as ill when
you called me or got hold of

428
00:29:48.880 --> 00:29:52.559
me, I just I kind of
like to be in a shadow. Sometimes

429
00:29:52.599 --> 00:29:56.599
it's just my way of being things. So but Matt was a great resource

430
00:29:56.599 --> 00:30:00.880
and I do appreciate him get me
started on this kind of mystery and it

431
00:30:02.000 --> 00:30:06.359
led to again my first sighting in
two thousand and fifteens. So I think

432
00:30:06.400 --> 00:30:11.240
you have a picture there of that
somewhere. We'll be back with more Bigfoot

433
00:30:11.319 --> 00:30:22.039
society after these words from our sponsors. Yes, let's see. So that

434
00:30:22.119 --> 00:30:26.440
would be the is it the drawing? Yeah, the artists rendering. And

435
00:30:26.440 --> 00:30:30.759
by the way, Jeremiah, that
was done by a researcher, a good

436
00:30:30.759 --> 00:30:34.359
friend of mine, Sheila Johnson in
Kentucky. She's kind of taking a little

437
00:30:34.359 --> 00:30:37.519
break from research her and her husband
t J. But Sheila had done some

438
00:30:37.640 --> 00:30:41.200
artwork and the way this worked again, like I mentioned, I like to

439
00:30:41.200 --> 00:30:44.839
take night rides, and boy,
I don't know, I got the best

440
00:30:44.880 --> 00:30:48.920
supportive wife in the worlds put up
with me. But it was I think

441
00:30:48.920 --> 00:30:52.799
it was June. I have a
note here somewhere June twenty three, I

442
00:30:52.839 --> 00:30:57.920
think, or it was June in
two thousan fifteen, and it was very

443
00:30:59.000 --> 00:31:02.400
green. But what it was is
the waxing crescent moon, which is you

444
00:31:02.400 --> 00:31:04.559
know, a good hunting moon.
It's real clear night and I was like,

445
00:31:04.640 --> 00:31:07.279
you know, it's like ten o'clock
at night here where I live,

446
00:31:07.359 --> 00:31:11.759
and this is research area where I
saw that was well, actually, I

447
00:31:11.759 --> 00:31:15.319
wouldn't any research. I was just
driving one. It's about thirty miles away.

448
00:31:15.359 --> 00:31:18.440
So I just said, hey,
I'm gonna go out and ride tonight

449
00:31:18.480 --> 00:31:21.920
and see if I hear something and
make a little noise and take my recorders,

450
00:31:21.920 --> 00:31:23.359
which I do. And so I
was going on up the road.

451
00:31:23.480 --> 00:31:27.519
Actually I was listening to a CDC, which Charlie Raymond loves. If you

452
00:31:27.559 --> 00:31:33.559
know Charlie with the Kanucky big Foot
group, he loves that store because he

453
00:31:33.599 --> 00:31:36.839
likes a CDC. And down the
bottom of the mountain, I see three

454
00:31:36.880 --> 00:31:38.599
deer right, and I was like, oh yes, So I start slowing

455
00:31:38.640 --> 00:31:42.119
down, you know, and as
I'm climbing up this mountain on Highway sixty

456
00:31:42.160 --> 00:31:47.880
four. I don't like to give
out Zach locations. Jeremiah and I apologize

457
00:31:47.880 --> 00:31:49.960
to everybody about that, but there's
a reason behind it. One is a

458
00:31:51.039 --> 00:31:53.359
light to keep an area fairly pure, because if you get a lot of

459
00:31:53.359 --> 00:31:56.480
people in the area making noise,
you just don't know what swat, you

460
00:31:56.519 --> 00:32:00.680
know. And then also nowadays there's
a lot of people with thermoscopes and they

461
00:32:00.720 --> 00:32:05.559
say they want to shoot one,
and I just don't know. That's not

462
00:32:05.640 --> 00:32:09.160
a safe thing, if that makes
sense. But there's Highway sixty four and

463
00:32:09.319 --> 00:32:13.519
I was climbing up the mountain there, so I had already slowed up.

464
00:32:13.559 --> 00:32:16.880
And as I come into what I
call an S turn. Going through this

465
00:32:17.000 --> 00:32:22.279
S turn, I was only doing
twenty mile iron I see Cody and a

466
00:32:22.400 --> 00:32:25.759
code. He was not. It
just struck me on he was on the

467
00:32:25.799 --> 00:32:30.440
right hand side of the road,
and I just about stopped. I let

468
00:32:30.480 --> 00:32:31.519
off the gas because I didn't know
if he's gonna run in front him.

469
00:32:31.519 --> 00:32:35.079
But he wasn't looking at me.
I'll never forget he was not looking at

470
00:32:35.119 --> 00:32:37.000
me. He was looking across the
road, which I thought was weird.

471
00:32:37.039 --> 00:32:42.960
He never looked at my truck,
and so I just about stopped because I

472
00:32:43.000 --> 00:32:45.160
thought he might run in front of
me. I didn't want to hit it.

473
00:32:45.720 --> 00:32:47.480
And then when I just kind of
panned away, he was looking and

474
00:32:47.599 --> 00:32:51.680
this is what I saw off the
guard behind the guard round. That's very

475
00:32:51.680 --> 00:32:54.079
steep where this was that so it's
hard to tell the size of it,

476
00:32:55.160 --> 00:32:59.960
but that's what I saw. And
she did a good job on the draw

477
00:33:00.039 --> 00:33:04.640
and it had one of his arms
kind of curled like that. And I

478
00:33:04.680 --> 00:33:07.359
will tell you it didn't have fur. I got about a good three second

479
00:33:07.359 --> 00:33:12.880
look because it just kind of coasted
by, and I had audio running,

480
00:33:12.920 --> 00:33:15.759
so the audio, it's just that
if I played it, you would laugh

481
00:33:15.799 --> 00:33:19.920
so crazy because also I started talking
to myself. It was just I couldn't

482
00:33:19.920 --> 00:33:24.319
believe. Well, saw again a
no neck, a low like a dome

483
00:33:24.440 --> 00:33:28.240
for a head. And again one
of the reasons from talking to my daughters.

484
00:33:28.279 --> 00:33:30.759
You know, the jaw line for
some primates or blow the shoulder,

485
00:33:31.359 --> 00:33:36.079
so from the back it'll look like
there's no neck. You know, they're

486
00:33:36.079 --> 00:33:39.039
not like our jaw line, which
is above the shoulders kind of thing.

487
00:33:39.079 --> 00:33:43.119
I didn't know that. That's awesome. Yeah, if you look at grillas,

488
00:33:43.160 --> 00:33:45.880
you know, you'll see here chimps
where their jaw line is, particularly

489
00:33:45.920 --> 00:33:50.039
grillers. And if it didn't have
fur, that's a big thing. I

490
00:33:50.079 --> 00:33:53.079
always like to give people my presentation. The tips. I saw it had

491
00:33:53.119 --> 00:33:57.200
hair, scraggly hair. This is
June, so it's kind of hot.

492
00:33:57.599 --> 00:34:00.039
It did have some stuff in its
hair. I remember seeing that. I

493
00:34:00.119 --> 00:34:04.839
could definitely see the back line you
know, the spine line. And as

494
00:34:04.880 --> 00:34:07.679
she drawled there, I couldn't It's
such a quick glance at it. I

495
00:34:07.719 --> 00:34:14.119
couldn't see if it was gray hair
or just kind of grayish light skim kind

496
00:34:14.119 --> 00:34:16.679
of it did move, and I
just coasted by. I couldn't belive it.

497
00:34:16.719 --> 00:34:19.719
I couldn't turn around real quick.
I had to go up. And

498
00:34:19.760 --> 00:34:22.159
then I started trying to tell myself, oh, Jeff, you've seen a

499
00:34:22.239 --> 00:34:25.760
dead pine tree, because this thing
was like a burnt brown color, you

500
00:34:25.800 --> 00:34:30.360
know how I did white pine of
look Jeremiah, And so I said,

501
00:34:30.400 --> 00:34:34.199
Okay, that's what was. You're
just jumping to conclusions, you know,

502
00:34:34.760 --> 00:34:37.559
which is kind of like confirmation by
us. You know, you're going to

503
00:34:37.599 --> 00:34:40.519
look, listen for something. Maybe
you just thought you saw something. So

504
00:34:40.599 --> 00:34:45.960
I cruised back down. Nothing.
There's absolutely nothing there now, And I

505
00:34:46.039 --> 00:34:51.440
was like, holy cow. And
I made some calls Cody's bark, you

506
00:34:51.480 --> 00:34:53.199
know, of course, says a
pack of Cody's because there's that one.

507
00:34:54.079 --> 00:35:00.000
Didn't didn't hear anything weird, went
back up. I spent about four hours

508
00:35:00.159 --> 00:35:02.239
a poor man. I caught him
at twelve thirty at night, just losing

509
00:35:02.280 --> 00:35:07.519
it, you know. And this
is how great mad he is, and

510
00:35:07.559 --> 00:35:12.239
I keep complimenting he's going to pay
me five dollars or something, but he

511
00:35:12.320 --> 00:35:15.360
immately said, Jeff, just draw. I mean, I'll walk him up.

512
00:35:15.440 --> 00:35:19.320
He's like, Jeff just starts sketching, and which was a great tip.

513
00:35:19.360 --> 00:35:21.800
So I felt like the guy from
Close Encounters, you know, where

514
00:35:21.800 --> 00:35:25.480
he's building the longing thing, you
know, absolutely, I must have seventy

515
00:35:25.519 --> 00:35:29.079
five sketches here where I was drawing, and I couldn't figure out the arm

516
00:35:29.079 --> 00:35:32.320
for a while. Then it hit
me that it just had curled up and

517
00:35:32.719 --> 00:35:37.320
interesting tidben on that my ninety.
My mother passed away last year. She

518
00:35:37.480 --> 00:35:40.639
was two weeks away from being one
hundred years old. And I'll never forget

519
00:35:40.679 --> 00:35:44.960
showing her this the first time about
a year later, because she kind of

520
00:35:44.960 --> 00:35:49.280
got interested in just watching shows and
stuff, and like the first time I

521
00:35:49.320 --> 00:35:51.960
showed her a cast from out With
she said, oh, that's not a

522
00:35:52.039 --> 00:35:57.639
human. It doesn't have an instant, just very very matter of frank country,

523
00:35:57.760 --> 00:35:59.719
right, you know. And then
when I showed her this, she

524
00:35:59.800 --> 00:36:02.119
said what time of year wasn't And
I said, Jim, She said,

525
00:36:02.199 --> 00:36:06.800
oh, it might have had a
baby in its arms. I didn't even

526
00:36:06.880 --> 00:36:13.079
think about that. Wow, that's
one pitable observation thought, that's nuts.

527
00:36:13.599 --> 00:36:15.519
Yeah, yeah, it was just
a thought by her because that code.

528
00:36:15.599 --> 00:36:20.800
He was there, and I don't
know. I did have my friend,

529
00:36:20.840 --> 00:36:23.800
one of my best friends whose son
played in North Carolina. He's six foot

530
00:36:23.960 --> 00:36:27.559
nine and he went there. I
can't believe he did. It stood on

531
00:36:27.639 --> 00:36:30.800
side of the road the next day. And I can't tell you the heights,

532
00:36:30.880 --> 00:36:34.840
but I can tell you it was
way bigger than him. Brought with

533
00:36:35.199 --> 00:36:38.440
wise. It's very broad and had
a very athletic if you notice a narrow

534
00:36:38.480 --> 00:36:44.760
waist, but it was it would
definitely had to weigh it close to four

535
00:36:44.880 --> 00:36:49.320
hundred five hundred pounds, probably probably
around four hundred's. You know, people

536
00:36:49.360 --> 00:36:52.079
always underestimate or overestimate, like bears
here, you know, I said,

537
00:36:52.079 --> 00:36:54.320
oh, it's a five hundred pound
bear, when most of the time it's

538
00:36:54.360 --> 00:36:59.519
two hundred fifty pound bear. And
I do think that has a sasquatch a

539
00:36:59.599 --> 00:37:05.400
lot. But it was incredibly sight
It was just an amazing thing. I'll

540
00:37:05.440 --> 00:37:12.000
never forget. I said a little
prayer because I'm a very faith based person

541
00:37:12.119 --> 00:37:15.440
and I just couldn't believe I knew
I'd seen something very very rare, and

542
00:37:15.639 --> 00:37:20.639
I hope to see another one.
And what was really weird about this sighting?

543
00:37:20.800 --> 00:37:23.079
Larry said, Will I think you
said you had interviewed Larry. Larry

544
00:37:23.159 --> 00:37:25.840
he's a great guy. Yeah,
yeah, he is. I couldn't do

545
00:37:25.960 --> 00:37:30.199
this report. He had to do
it on me because I'm an investigator,

546
00:37:30.320 --> 00:37:35.239
you know, So he uh did
a report. But what was weird is

547
00:37:35.840 --> 00:37:38.440
before this, Larry didn't know I
had to sighting. He calls means like,

548
00:37:38.639 --> 00:37:43.639
Jeff, you've probably heard of the
bfr O database, which is the

549
00:37:43.719 --> 00:37:47.440
flats. We call it big database
of possible sightings and a lot of them

550
00:37:47.920 --> 00:37:52.199
not being investigated. But you know, there's just a bunch. And he

551
00:37:52.280 --> 00:37:57.000
said, Jeff, there's a sighting
close to you. A guy had written

552
00:37:57.079 --> 00:38:00.519
on sighting. I should say that
heard a half and found some a track

553
00:38:01.199 --> 00:38:06.840
and the guy was on the Appalachian
Trail. Uh, doing like a weekend

554
00:38:06.960 --> 00:38:12.440
hike around this National forest there in
night a hala and will tell you it's

555
00:38:12.480 --> 00:38:16.599
standing in Indian National Campground area.
And Uh, I talked to the guy.

556
00:38:16.719 --> 00:38:20.920
I didn't even tell Larry I had
a sighting yet, and I've told

557
00:38:21.000 --> 00:38:24.760
him later. But that happened four
days after my side, and it's four

558
00:38:24.880 --> 00:38:30.360
point five miles from where I saw
this app So could be a weird coincidence

559
00:38:30.559 --> 00:38:35.159
or it could be the same one. They what they had heard the hall

560
00:38:35.239 --> 00:38:37.199
of a night to welcome up.
It was not a coyote. This guy

561
00:38:37.920 --> 00:38:45.320
raises Christmas trees. He has coodes
on his property up in Virginia, North

562
00:38:45.360 --> 00:38:49.800
Carolina line all the time. He
was a great witness. So the next

563
00:38:49.880 --> 00:38:53.119
morning they were going down the Applachian
Trail and his buddy's booth he'll come off.

564
00:38:53.280 --> 00:38:57.880
So they looked at the map and
seeing this little hidden trails amazingly found

565
00:38:57.920 --> 00:39:00.599
it on a map and I know
it real well because dead and it goes

566
00:39:00.679 --> 00:39:04.320
down to the campground. So they're
trying to take a shortcut as they went

567
00:39:04.400 --> 00:39:08.119
down in this and if you'd imagine
in Smoky Mountains or our area, this

568
00:39:08.280 --> 00:39:13.760
is outside of the Smokies, but
it's we're a tempered rainforest just like out

569
00:39:13.800 --> 00:39:17.360
west. So in June and July, I got in there about July fourth.

570
00:39:17.400 --> 00:39:22.320
Where they were at, the weeds
are six sem foot till in this

571
00:39:22.480 --> 00:39:29.199
area. It's just crazy. But
they'd found where something went through this trail

572
00:39:29.360 --> 00:39:30.960
crossed and they followed it for a
little bit and they started finding these big

573
00:39:31.039 --> 00:39:36.800
imprints and in the leaf matter,
and that's hard to find because you know,

574
00:39:36.920 --> 00:39:40.679
the substrate dictates how you can find
a track. People don't realize that

575
00:39:40.920 --> 00:39:45.639
hoods animals are completely different flat footed
animals. It's even hard to find bear

576
00:39:45.800 --> 00:39:50.559
tracks for people tracks. He just
can't. But this was a kind of

577
00:39:50.559 --> 00:39:52.400
a wet area they were seeing that. Then he found some weird stuff like

578
00:39:52.599 --> 00:39:58.239
mushrooms that were picked but turned upside
down setting on a log near these tracks,

579
00:39:58.280 --> 00:40:00.719
which is kind of wild. And
God was a great witness, but

580
00:40:00.800 --> 00:40:06.719
it was wild that it was only
four days after my siety. And it's

581
00:40:06.760 --> 00:40:10.199
a good what I would call And
I'm starting to give you information I don't

582
00:40:10.239 --> 00:40:15.599
really give before. I call them
corridors. You know, these things are

583
00:40:15.639 --> 00:40:20.199
constantly on the move. I wouldn't
say they're nomadic in my opinion. These

584
00:40:20.239 --> 00:40:23.119
are just my opinions, Jeremiah.
But I would say they have a massive

585
00:40:23.360 --> 00:40:28.679
territory though, and they're constantly moving, because that's the only thing it made

586
00:40:28.760 --> 00:40:31.679
sense. But that was my first
sighting there. So sorry to rambles so

587
00:40:31.800 --> 00:40:37.599
much there, but about your savings. So I have two questions could you

588
00:40:37.679 --> 00:40:45.519
see any muscle definition underneath the hair
any seconds? But just curious, that's

589
00:40:45.559 --> 00:40:51.000
a good question. I definitely could
see some muscles in the shoulder area I'm

590
00:40:51.039 --> 00:40:57.159
trying to remember, and I definitely
could see what's it called. I don't

591
00:40:57.199 --> 00:40:59.639
know the proper term for it,
but you know, in the lower back

592
00:40:59.719 --> 00:41:06.760
area above the bud area, the
indentations. And I will also notice when

593
00:41:06.800 --> 00:41:10.719
Sisto stood there, you know how
people's shoulders rolled in kind of. I

594
00:41:10.880 --> 00:41:15.599
noticed it shoulders rolled in kind of
at the top of the shoulders. But

595
00:41:15.679 --> 00:41:20.199
I did see muscles definition in the
lower back for sure. It was very

596
00:41:20.360 --> 00:41:23.440
muscular. I don't know if you
remember the wrestler, Big Bad Vader that

597
00:41:23.559 --> 00:41:30.920
wrestled in the WWE for a long
time. He's had this massive but remember

598
00:41:30.960 --> 00:41:35.679
how he had a thin waist.
That's the way this thing. This thing

599
00:41:35.760 --> 00:41:42.639
had some massive shoulders and then this
really athletic looking waist. It was phenomenal.

600
00:41:42.800 --> 00:41:46.000
Look, it just took me back. But you know, like I

601
00:41:46.079 --> 00:41:50.880
mentioned to you before we started,
and I hope I can say this quote.

602
00:41:51.000 --> 00:41:52.960
Yeah, I tell people and want
to ask me what happened. You

603
00:41:53.039 --> 00:41:55.960
know, it's a hell of a
thing when a myth turns into reality and

604
00:41:57.360 --> 00:42:00.559
your body. I just I didn't
realize to back in town like four hours

605
00:42:00.679 --> 00:42:05.440
later, to all out Walmart to
give me something to drink. Oh.

606
00:42:05.639 --> 00:42:07.199
I walked in. The guy of
course said welcome Walmart, and then I

607
00:42:07.280 --> 00:42:13.719
realized I was drenched in sweat.
I had this crazy my wife when I

608
00:42:13.800 --> 00:42:16.119
called her, she said, what
is wrong with you? I just had

609
00:42:16.199 --> 00:42:22.239
this reaction. And that's one thing
I look for in good reports is the

610
00:42:22.320 --> 00:42:25.719
way I don't tell people but I'm
looking. It's hard to explain when you

611
00:42:25.840 --> 00:42:29.920
can't. You see something that's not
really actually supposed to be there, So

612
00:42:30.639 --> 00:42:37.800
it really really affects a person,
doesn't that Oh it's yeah, it kind

613
00:42:37.840 --> 00:42:42.599
of yeah, you can't let it
go. And then my second siding real

614
00:42:42.719 --> 00:42:46.039
quick like was from a East coast
that's a group we have a researchers basically

615
00:42:46.199 --> 00:42:52.079
on the kind of midwest East coast
area, A great group at Charles kimbro

616
00:42:52.239 --> 00:42:55.519
and Lorie Wade and some other people
that starred Larry. Great people in there,

617
00:42:55.599 --> 00:43:01.159
and we got some reports about two
fisherman on separate occasions. I see

618
00:43:01.239 --> 00:43:06.760
something at a state park in Virginia. So we went up there and real

619
00:43:06.880 --> 00:43:10.760
quick, like this sighting was just
again luck. But I was walking up

620
00:43:10.840 --> 00:43:14.960
to a group. We'd been separated
because I like to do a little technic

621
00:43:15.039 --> 00:43:19.559
where I stay back behind people and
listen. And a guy just started researching

622
00:43:19.599 --> 00:43:22.639
who's a really good friend of mine
now a fellow researcher, George rig who

623
00:43:22.760 --> 00:43:27.400
was with me wanting to stay back, and we kept hearing some things which

624
00:43:27.400 --> 00:43:30.000
I think was a separate one.
But as we come close to the group,

625
00:43:30.079 --> 00:43:31.360
my cell phone went off. My
wife it texts me, you know

626
00:43:31.400 --> 00:43:36.440
how you can just randomly get a
you know, a message signal, you

627
00:43:36.519 --> 00:43:37.440
know, And I was like,
oh no, because I didn't want anything

628
00:43:37.559 --> 00:43:40.079
light in my face at night.
I wasn't even using thermals or anything.

629
00:43:40.239 --> 00:43:45.639
But the moon was out and uh, Georgia went past the group and the

630
00:43:45.719 --> 00:43:47.760
other two people were Rick Rellis,
I don't think they'll mind me miss your

631
00:43:47.880 --> 00:43:53.760
name, who's a BFR investigator.
Guys I talked to like, yeah four

632
00:43:53.960 --> 00:43:57.760
years ago, he's so good.
Yeah, yeah, great fellow. And

633
00:43:57.800 --> 00:44:01.400
then uh, Steve Poppleton, who's
from Georgia was with us. And as

634
00:44:01.480 --> 00:44:05.239
I walked up the group, I
looked up the ridge because one of the

635
00:44:05.280 --> 00:44:07.719
techniques. Daddy always showed me hunting
and see you profile again the ridgeline,

636
00:44:08.119 --> 00:44:12.320
especially on the moonlight night, because
you can see something move like a ear

637
00:44:12.480 --> 00:44:15.360
flip or something's bedded down. So
I was looking for movement. But this

638
00:44:15.679 --> 00:44:19.400
wasn't on the ridge. It was
blow the ridge. I see this big

639
00:44:19.559 --> 00:44:22.480
large I thought it was a burnout
stump. You know how I kept I

640
00:44:22.519 --> 00:44:25.719
remember saying myself, I don't remember
there being a fire. People talk about

641
00:44:25.719 --> 00:44:30.840
a fire here. It is dark
thing and it was pretty well lit up

642
00:44:30.880 --> 00:44:34.360
there, not where you could see
facial features, but you could see just

643
00:44:34.440 --> 00:44:37.639
something dark. So come up,
and Laurie said, they like to call

644
00:44:37.679 --> 00:44:39.880
me jes squatch. And that's another
story for a different time in Kentucky.

645
00:44:40.039 --> 00:44:44.840
It's a funny story if you read
Charlie Raymond's book. It's in his book.

646
00:44:45.199 --> 00:44:47.760
While they call me that, and
Georgia again, it went on so

647
00:44:49.679 --> 00:44:52.000
and she just said just watch what's
up? And I said, I just

648
00:44:52.199 --> 00:44:54.199
sorry about my phone going off.
And we were talking. I remember Rick

649
00:44:54.320 --> 00:45:00.719
was wrapping up his parabolic mic.
And then we're here just sound with and

650
00:45:01.320 --> 00:45:07.159
we like, George's at you and
he rely on the audio. We didn't

651
00:45:07.199 --> 00:45:10.880
catch it because everything else happened after
George goes negative like this real quiet,

652
00:45:12.039 --> 00:45:15.960
you know, like oh and uh, well, I just told Laurie,

653
00:45:15.960 --> 00:45:17.599
I said, lawd, I think
that was George, you know, and

654
00:45:17.679 --> 00:45:22.360
then I just made eye contact.
I looked up the ridgeline again this kind

655
00:45:22.360 --> 00:45:23.840
of gull, you know, kind
of this kind of like this, go

656
00:45:24.079 --> 00:45:30.360
straight up, very step, We'll
be back with more big Foot Society after

657
00:45:30.480 --> 00:45:38.679
these words from our sponsors. And
you know, again, that stuff was

658
00:45:38.719 --> 00:45:43.320
there when I made eye contact with
it. I remember Rick was talking to

659
00:45:43.400 --> 00:45:45.920
Steve and putting up his parabolic and
he was kind of turning towards me.

660
00:45:47.599 --> 00:45:52.880
I see this arm come out and
he had hair hanging down. Now keep

661
00:45:52.880 --> 00:45:54.599
in mind, I know bears real
well. Bears can't do that kind of

662
00:45:54.679 --> 00:45:58.719
movement, you know, where arm
goes out like this. You know,

663
00:45:58.760 --> 00:46:00.960
they don't have clavicles, you know, they don't have shoulders, but they

664
00:46:01.039 --> 00:46:05.320
just can't do that. And it
kind of took me off guard. And

665
00:46:05.400 --> 00:46:09.239
then I see a leg and then
it just takes off running astronomically fast.

666
00:46:09.519 --> 00:46:14.079
It's hard to describe how fast this
was. And then Rick kind of sees

667
00:46:14.119 --> 00:46:16.400
it at the tail end of it
because it goes kind of past my eyes

668
00:46:16.440 --> 00:46:22.079
out there's a little nol there and
he because I say, uh sorry,

669
00:46:22.199 --> 00:46:25.760
a cuss word that I do sometimes, and I hate to do that because

670
00:46:25.800 --> 00:46:30.000
it's startled me, you know.
And the best way to describe what I

671
00:46:30.119 --> 00:46:36.239
saw was as a catcher in a
squad and he takes off running, but

672
00:46:36.280 --> 00:46:39.920
he don't stand up. He's just
kind of leaning forward. Now, the

673
00:46:40.039 --> 00:46:44.320
movement I've never seen. You know. Again, I'm a basketball trainer.

674
00:46:44.639 --> 00:46:46.599
I trained kids for basketball, or
used to all, you know, for

675
00:46:46.719 --> 00:46:52.760
forty something years. I know movements. And I see Bear Bear, you

676
00:46:52.840 --> 00:46:55.840
know, can't do a smooth move
jeremile or if there were squatted or standing

677
00:46:55.960 --> 00:47:00.599
up, it's more of a plot
kind of you know. They just can't

678
00:47:00.639 --> 00:47:02.679
control that. If you ever seen
that in the video, it's just weird.

679
00:47:04.000 --> 00:47:06.800
They can't walk a little bit,
but when they want to go down

680
00:47:06.880 --> 00:47:08.599
to four, it's just pull.
And this thing was on two feet,

681
00:47:08.679 --> 00:47:13.239
by the way, leaning and one
a lot of Blackburn's books. Later on,

682
00:47:13.320 --> 00:47:15.079
I found a sketch that looks just
like it. I forgot to send

683
00:47:15.119 --> 00:47:19.119
you a picture of that. Of
course, I you know, hadn't asslow

684
00:47:19.199 --> 00:47:22.199
to use it. But it's more
like what I saw. It was about

685
00:47:22.320 --> 00:47:28.000
leaning just about completely over and it
was so fast, but that was slowly

686
00:47:28.119 --> 00:47:30.639
kind of standing up. I seen
it maybe five steps, and of course

687
00:47:30.760 --> 00:47:35.400
Rick saw it, and then we
kind of lose it. But that was

688
00:47:35.480 --> 00:47:39.239
that siding there, and it was
a phenomenal to see the movement. That

689
00:47:39.440 --> 00:47:43.880
was something in all my years,
I've never seen anything move like that.

690
00:47:44.920 --> 00:47:47.719
The only thing maybe I see accelerate
that fast is when I used to go

691
00:47:47.880 --> 00:47:52.679
el cut and I've seen antelope out
with that could accelerate that fast. Wow,

692
00:47:52.840 --> 00:48:00.360
that must have been really fast.
How long was the hair hang down

693
00:48:00.519 --> 00:48:04.519
from the arms? Well, it
was about as a debate, and we

694
00:48:04.679 --> 00:48:07.239
had George go up there and running
next day and it was just way bulkier

695
00:48:07.280 --> 00:48:10.639
and George but it's hard to tell. Again it's night time, but I

696
00:48:10.679 --> 00:48:15.480
did see hair hanging out, but
I would say two three inches good enough

697
00:48:15.519 --> 00:48:17.960
to tell they were hair there,
if that makes sense. In the moonlight.

698
00:48:19.280 --> 00:48:22.079
Maybe longer than that, but I
definitely saw hair coming down and the

699
00:48:22.239 --> 00:48:25.599
arm come out straight from the body, not forward, you know, from

700
00:48:25.639 --> 00:48:30.840
the body towards me. It was
to the side that floored me, you

701
00:48:30.960 --> 00:48:35.599
know, you know, that's only
people can only do that, you know.

702
00:48:35.960 --> 00:48:38.960
It's just not a normal movement for
any wildlife you see. And again,

703
00:48:39.519 --> 00:48:43.559
the size of it, George,
I think Wade two hundred pounds,

704
00:48:43.760 --> 00:48:46.920
he said in those days. I'm
getting pretty good right now, I said

705
00:48:47.000 --> 00:48:51.280
those days he might be a little
more than that, but it was just

706
00:48:51.480 --> 00:48:54.039
so much more bulkier than him.
And I'm talking about the width of the

707
00:48:54.119 --> 00:48:58.480
thing. That's what I can't everybody
gets focused on the height. I can't

708
00:48:58.559 --> 00:49:02.480
get off how wide and how strong
these things are. They have to do

709
00:49:02.599 --> 00:49:08.119
a lot with their shoulders. They're
probably on all fours a lot sometimes you

710
00:49:08.199 --> 00:49:12.599
know, uh, or you know, digging. Uh. They just what

711
00:49:12.719 --> 00:49:15.480
I saw was very powerful. Both
times, it was a fascinating thing.

712
00:49:15.719 --> 00:49:21.360
So that's my stories and I'm sticking
to it, you know, the first

713
00:49:21.480 --> 00:49:24.400
the first encountered. I have to
ask, though, what a what ac

714
00:49:24.599 --> 00:49:29.679
DC song was playing when you saw
the big foot before? And I'd cut

715
00:49:29.760 --> 00:49:34.239
it down when I saw the des
a little quieter because it rolled the window

716
00:49:34.280 --> 00:49:37.840
down. Yeah, uh, you
know, because I you know, I

717
00:49:37.920 --> 00:49:42.119
might see some wildlife and right I
think it was a highway to hell.

718
00:49:42.239 --> 00:49:45.039
If I'm not all right, that
works you sound like you're like ac DC

719
00:49:46.000 --> 00:49:49.880
No. But I mean, if
you're someone's gonna make the movie of your

720
00:49:49.920 --> 00:49:52.920
saying, they have to know you
now, they have to know what signed

721
00:49:52.960 --> 00:49:55.440
to play. So I hope you
don't do that. Maybe they get Brad

722
00:49:55.519 --> 00:50:00.599
Pitt to play me, because you
know, that'd be a bad reputation to

723
00:50:00.679 --> 00:50:05.039
me if they get Brad Pitt.
But that's that's funny. Hey, Jeff,

724
00:50:05.119 --> 00:50:07.039
what we should play some of these
sounds? What do you think?

725
00:50:07.679 --> 00:50:12.880
Yeah, that's one of the things
I've gotten into again thanks to my Hunga

726
00:50:12.920 --> 00:50:16.880
Haley and David Ellis and people Charles
Kimbro, I've gotten into just I love

727
00:50:16.960 --> 00:50:21.719
doing audio and we do long duration
recorders. But the first one that I

728
00:50:21.800 --> 00:50:27.760
sent you there, the one's I
recorded, it's just hard to explain.

729
00:50:27.880 --> 00:50:30.199
I had this area, and that's
for another podcast, probably because it's just

730
00:50:30.440 --> 00:50:34.639
I've had so many things happen.
But I had an area where Laurie was

731
00:50:34.679 --> 00:50:37.519
doing the expedition Laurie Wade if you
know Laurie with the BFR, she does

732
00:50:37.639 --> 00:50:42.639
great expeditions, by the way,
and I was doing the field here.

733
00:50:42.679 --> 00:50:45.719
Again, I had five people with
me that never been in the woods of

734
00:50:45.719 --> 00:50:49.519
an we had a four pound rock
thrown at us. I found the rock.

735
00:50:50.880 --> 00:50:52.960
It was crazy. So I kept
going back to this area having some

736
00:50:53.079 --> 00:50:58.280
things. I was working on Pavloss
theory, you know, where I and

737
00:50:58.519 --> 00:51:01.760
make one sound immediately lead. Well, this time I decided I'm going to

738
00:51:01.840 --> 00:51:07.440
aggravate George and Lori. So I
went up to this little field where we'd

739
00:51:07.440 --> 00:51:13.400
been having some activity and was trying
to call him because it's a signal there.

740
00:51:13.599 --> 00:51:17.840
So I broke my pattern a little
bit, and uh, basically,

741
00:51:17.880 --> 00:51:21.039
what you'll do is you'll hear me. I was, you know, texting

742
00:51:21.159 --> 00:51:22.119
my Hey, y'all are working,
and I'm just out of here, goofing

743
00:51:22.159 --> 00:51:25.159
off because I'm retired. I'm in
the woods, you know. And of

744
00:51:25.320 --> 00:51:29.960
course I got him for a second, but I thought I heard something.

745
00:51:30.159 --> 00:51:31.559
And then you'll hear me walking a
little bit, and then you hear a

746
00:51:31.719 --> 00:51:37.559
very clear wood knock, and didn't
you hear me do what's called a descending

747
00:51:37.599 --> 00:51:40.280
whoop call, which they do a
lot, and then you'll hear the reply.

748
00:51:40.320 --> 00:51:45.679
And I did amplify that reply,
Jeremiah, just so my presentations people

749
00:51:45.760 --> 00:51:54.039
can hear it better, all right. So I'm trying to think that ten

750
00:51:54.199 --> 00:51:58.920
twenty nine eighteen, I think,
or something like that, tens something eighteen.

751
00:51:59.239 --> 00:52:00.199
Okay, yeah, yep, yep, all right, let's try this

752
00:52:00.280 --> 00:52:15.880
one. Yeah, this is it. Okay, you'll hear me walking.

753
00:52:29.559 --> 00:52:55.440
That's the would knot m hm.
And then that's the reply I got back.

754
00:52:57.800 --> 00:53:00.960
Yep. Uh, I kind of
cut it off. I did say

755
00:53:00.000 --> 00:53:01.719
a bad word at the end of
that. Sorry, but I was a

756
00:53:01.840 --> 00:53:07.199
startled. It sounded like a disembodied
voice to me. Until again. A

757
00:53:07.239 --> 00:53:09.760
good thing about audio. You know, it's hard to prove stuff with audio,

758
00:53:09.840 --> 00:53:14.599
but you can also just document better
what you can hear. And sometimes,

759
00:53:15.320 --> 00:53:19.119
Jeremiah, you want to hear something
but there's actually something going on too.

760
00:53:19.840 --> 00:53:23.039
It's just weird how that works.
But I sent that to Manga Haley

761
00:53:23.239 --> 00:53:28.519
David out West and there's a little
bit of a debate of whether it's one

762
00:53:28.639 --> 00:53:31.840
or two, but he thinks it's
a triple whoop. I think it might

763
00:53:31.960 --> 00:53:36.679
be two. We put our all
our audio on audacity, which is a

764
00:53:37.159 --> 00:53:39.440
problem to do a spectrograph and look
at it and the hurts it's at,

765
00:53:39.559 --> 00:53:45.360
and it seems to me it might
be another one kind of quietening down another

766
00:53:45.400 --> 00:53:50.119
one like a younger one, but
it mimiced me right back, and wow,

767
00:53:50.320 --> 00:53:53.719
I was just startled. To be
honest, it was crazy. But

768
00:53:53.920 --> 00:53:59.760
audio is a good way to get
involved in the research. It's very simple.

769
00:54:00.199 --> 00:54:02.960
Keep your recorder with you. I
use mine on my backpack. It's

770
00:54:04.039 --> 00:54:07.360
constantly running. I've learned my lesson. Learned that from Turkey Hunt with Dad

771
00:54:07.400 --> 00:54:09.840
you can slam the door going Turkey
Hut. And also there's a gobbler,

772
00:54:09.920 --> 00:54:14.840
real cloth like in other words,
you better cut that audio on right when

773
00:54:14.840 --> 00:54:17.920
you get out of the truck.
You just don't know. The randomness of

774
00:54:19.000 --> 00:54:22.159
this stuff amazes me. And again
that's the way nature works. There's not

775
00:54:22.840 --> 00:54:27.119
you know, it's just random when
you see things or hear things. And

776
00:54:28.039 --> 00:54:30.320
there is another audio. I'll try
to give your listeners a wide variety of

777
00:54:30.400 --> 00:54:34.280
things, and everybody focuses on the
big House. The second one I like

778
00:54:34.480 --> 00:54:37.599
for you to play is a recording
that it was given to me from another

779
00:54:37.679 --> 00:54:43.079
researcher. And I can't give you
location, but as a hiker on applast

780
00:54:43.159 --> 00:54:47.880
and trail years ago recorded it.
This is the North Georgia vocals use this

781
00:54:47.960 --> 00:54:52.079
as a presentation, has a different
a lot of different sounds in this one

782
00:54:52.239 --> 00:55:27.280
Jeremiah, Okay, you're the whoop
that wild So that's you said, North

783
00:55:27.360 --> 00:55:30.519
Georgia. Yeah, on Apple Ach
and Trail. He just happened to have

784
00:55:30.679 --> 00:55:35.400
a video recorder with him. He
recorded that on a video recorder of a

785
00:55:35.559 --> 00:55:38.920
night he woke him up. And
there they do make in my opinion again

786
00:55:39.079 --> 00:55:44.400
is are all my opinion and experiences. They make more subtle noises than to

787
00:55:44.480 --> 00:55:49.360
do the big loud ones. And
the perfect example there of a whoop which

788
00:55:49.440 --> 00:55:52.920
is kind of like a gibbon,
will make you know it's a exactly it's

789
00:55:52.960 --> 00:55:59.039
a On a spectrograph, it will
look like a backslash. And I've heard

790
00:55:59.039 --> 00:56:02.760
that it's hard for people to really
make that call the way they can control

791
00:56:02.880 --> 00:56:06.920
it. It's very hard to duplicate
it. And believe me, I practice

792
00:56:06.920 --> 00:56:09.039
it ever red light. You know, I don't know what people think about

793
00:56:09.079 --> 00:56:13.119
me in another car, but I
like to practice my calls. You know,

794
00:56:14.880 --> 00:56:16.920
I think you do have to get
them to interact or not interact,

795
00:56:16.960 --> 00:56:21.440
but react to noises. Sometimes I
really know if they're in a location.

796
00:56:22.760 --> 00:56:27.920
Although I will tell you a lot
of people confuse kyote calls with big foot

797
00:56:28.000 --> 00:56:32.280
calls, and they are I'm one
of the rare people that's seen both together.

798
00:56:32.960 --> 00:56:37.480
They are and maybe symbiotic. In
other words, one works off the

799
00:56:37.599 --> 00:56:40.000
other one kind of. I don't
know, they're not walking around like one

800
00:56:40.519 --> 00:56:44.639
got one on a leash or something
like that. But you know what I'm

801
00:56:44.639 --> 00:56:46.760
talking about, maybe one makes a
kill the other one comes in obs from

802
00:56:46.760 --> 00:56:52.199
the other one. Count there's tons
of things in nature that are symbiotic,

803
00:56:52.360 --> 00:56:54.440
you know, and people don't know
that term. And that's the little bird

804
00:56:54.519 --> 00:56:58.679
that's sitting on the back of the
rhino or whatever. You know, he's

805
00:56:58.760 --> 00:57:02.440
eating all the bugs off the kind
of thing. But uh so they'll confuse

806
00:57:02.599 --> 00:57:07.039
coles. And I encourage anybody wants
to get any research. You got to

807
00:57:07.159 --> 00:57:10.840
know your sounds. And there are
a lot of good sound labs, uh

808
00:57:12.039 --> 00:57:15.039
you know at Cornell University has a
great one has ever known mammal bird sound.

809
00:57:16.199 --> 00:57:22.639
But the really you got to eliminate
the the obvious things first. But

810
00:57:22.800 --> 00:57:27.119
there's not many things that are here
that make that whoop sound. I can

811
00:57:27.159 --> 00:57:30.599
tell you that for sure, you
know. And I don't know if the

812
00:57:30.760 --> 00:57:32.639
hell I sent you will play really
good. I'm trying to remember what I

813
00:57:32.719 --> 00:57:37.360
sent you. There, Jeremiah,
there I recorded it in the Smoky's uh

814
00:57:37.039 --> 00:57:43.239
backlash fall. Just luckily we're talking
about I think it's a bobcat we saw

815
00:57:43.280 --> 00:57:46.159
on the thermal and then our other
researchers walking up and then behind us on

816
00:57:46.280 --> 00:57:50.920
a bridge where there's nothing. This
is how it comes from. All right,

817
00:57:50.960 --> 00:57:52.880
we'll see if this is the right
one. Here those guys are coming.

818
00:57:53.440 --> 00:58:04.400
Yeah, yeah, it's faint in
the background. Probably if they have

819
00:58:04.599 --> 00:58:07.440
headphones they can hear it, but
probably if they don't have headphones. But

820
00:58:07.639 --> 00:58:12.800
it's a it's definitely a howl.
Again, we try to vet everything.

821
00:58:13.000 --> 00:58:15.719
It's pretty good and send it to
multiple people. One of the things you'll

822
00:58:15.760 --> 00:58:20.679
notice with the howls the good house
is the way they end, you know,

823
00:58:20.880 --> 00:58:23.960
and Mork Haley can explain that better
because he's an expert in the field.

824
00:58:24.039 --> 00:58:29.639
But they will end with the I
guess it would be like the ooze

825
00:58:29.719 --> 00:58:34.199
sound kind of thing, or all
sound like I have a little cheat sheet

826
00:58:34.280 --> 00:58:37.599
here I can tell you it's like
a the who would be like mop And

827
00:58:37.719 --> 00:58:43.440
then the the other sound that canines
can't make is the boot sound. If

828
00:58:43.480 --> 00:58:46.920
that makes sense to double Oatskay.
Interesting. Yeah, So if you notice

829
00:58:47.000 --> 00:58:52.239
at the end of the North Georgia
louder sound. You'll hear the aw kind

830
00:58:52.280 --> 00:58:57.840
of thing. Canines can't make that
sound and all that's cool. And then

831
00:58:57.960 --> 00:59:02.119
also the duration is a big thing
because canams usually are very simple woods you

832
00:59:02.199 --> 00:59:06.239
know, of course there's we have
red woods and were kid but they're down

833
00:59:06.280 --> 00:59:09.480
on the coast. But h and
they're not like the gray wolves you know

834
00:59:09.639 --> 00:59:13.880
up north, but they can how
longer and do different sounds. And there

835
00:59:14.000 --> 00:59:17.480
is naudio I didn't send you,
but it's on YouTube the Saint Louis County,

836
00:59:17.519 --> 00:59:22.880
Minnesota sounds that were recorded by a
bfr O investigator for like, he

837
00:59:23.000 --> 00:59:28.320
had an LDR out long duration recorder
and it lasts for close to forty minutes.

838
00:59:28.639 --> 00:59:31.719
Wolves start them off, but again
something comes closer it. It makes

839
00:59:31.800 --> 00:59:36.480
what's called a zipper call, which
is just like a whistle, you know,

840
00:59:36.559 --> 00:59:39.800
the whistle thing you use in the
band. Yeah, it's this crazy

841
00:59:39.880 --> 00:59:43.840
sound. I don't know what can
make that, but it sounds like a

842
00:59:43.960 --> 00:59:50.679
zipper. Yeah, it's like like
that real quick. Oh yeah, I've

843
00:59:50.760 --> 00:59:54.599
heard that, Okay, okay,
I've also heard of an actual like big

844
00:59:54.679 --> 01:00:01.039
foot making a zipper noise as well. And they can do that, and

845
01:00:01.159 --> 01:00:05.719
they do do that. But keep
in mind I did debuck some years ago

846
01:00:06.360 --> 01:00:07.719
because it happened to me and then
I thought I had one. Then to

847
01:00:07.840 --> 01:00:15.039
realize what it was is a bugfly
bibla lines. We'll be back with more

848
01:00:15.119 --> 01:00:24.679
Bigfoot Society after these words from our
sponsors. Oh interesting, yepkaym bye.

849
01:00:25.000 --> 01:00:29.760
But they do make a zipper call
though, and then you know, the

850
01:00:30.119 --> 01:00:32.679
whoop calls are like gibbons, if
you know. And gave my daughter.

851
01:00:34.800 --> 01:00:37.199
She listens to these and she said, Dad, that's gibbon. You know,

852
01:00:37.599 --> 01:00:43.679
that's like a it's you know,
fascinating sounds. But the audio is

853
01:00:43.760 --> 01:00:47.400
a good way to document things.
And I thoroughly and enjoy doing that.

854
01:00:47.960 --> 01:00:52.480
Jeremiah, you know, for my
own purposes. My whole thing is an

855
01:00:52.519 --> 01:00:58.360
investigator, is to document things.
I've been working now really hard. This

856
01:00:58.559 --> 01:01:02.159
spring has been touted since the knee
surgery, but to get quality evidence and

857
01:01:02.519 --> 01:01:06.960
I'm just really doing that to turn
it over to somebody like my daughter in

858
01:01:07.039 --> 01:01:10.519
the future. Everybody wants me to
work on a book, and I might

859
01:01:10.639 --> 01:01:15.599
do that, but I'm my goal
was ten to eleven years of documenting things

860
01:01:15.679 --> 01:01:20.920
and then I have a probably right
now about what i'd call and this first

861
01:01:20.960 --> 01:01:25.280
time I really talked about it publicly, about eighty five data points in my

862
01:01:25.480 --> 01:01:31.880
area that I consider very credible witness
reports, sightings of mine or other people's,

863
01:01:32.360 --> 01:01:37.440
or a good audio occurrences. And
I've tossed a lot. It's not

864
01:01:37.639 --> 01:01:40.719
in there, but I will tell
you they do fit a little bit of

865
01:01:40.840 --> 01:01:46.159
a quarter or kind of thing.
One of the things that's fascinating our areas.

866
01:01:46.239 --> 01:01:50.199
We have a lot of men made
legs. If you know anything about

867
01:01:50.239 --> 01:01:52.559
western North Carolina. Fontana's our biggest, which are right near a smokies,

868
01:01:53.119 --> 01:01:59.599
but there's way more than that,
and in Georgia, so not to let

869
01:01:59.639 --> 01:02:02.480
the count of the bag a little
bit, but those lakes forced things to

870
01:02:02.559 --> 01:02:06.880
go places, if that makes sense. So I totally get it. Yeah,

871
01:02:06.960 --> 01:02:08.760
and I hopefully talked more about it, but I want to have in

872
01:02:08.880 --> 01:02:15.440
the future just way more documentation and
more thought into it than just throwing something

873
01:02:15.519 --> 01:02:19.559
out in the bigfoot world is a
very skeptical places, you know, and

874
01:02:20.719 --> 01:02:23.480
you know, and it's just human
nature with people. You know. Most

875
01:02:23.480 --> 01:02:29.079
of the reports I get, i'd
say seventy five eighty percent or misidentifications.

876
01:02:30.320 --> 01:02:35.679
Maybe somebody just wanting to be famous
whatever. But it's like doctor Krantz used

877
01:02:35.719 --> 01:02:39.199
to say, Grover Krantz, the
famous anthropologists, that it only takes one

878
01:02:39.239 --> 01:02:44.480
track to be real, to make
it real, you know. So twenty

879
01:02:44.559 --> 01:02:46.239
percent of those, in my opinion, that I've worked on have been real

880
01:02:46.400 --> 01:02:52.639
things. And and again I just
two weeks ago, I had a contractor

881
01:02:52.800 --> 01:02:55.079
in our area stopped me in England. In fact, he was so animated

882
01:02:55.280 --> 01:02:59.760
we were I was in a checkoutline
and he's a family friend of mine.

883
01:02:59.800 --> 01:03:01.960
I'm owned him for fifty something years. And he said, Jeff, I

884
01:03:02.000 --> 01:03:05.559
got to tea something. You still
do that that stuff? You know,

885
01:03:05.599 --> 01:03:08.360
it's funny how that's that stuff,
Like it's a taboo word to say.

886
01:03:08.880 --> 01:03:13.599
But he said he was working by
hisself in a real remote area of building

887
01:03:13.719 --> 01:03:19.920
retaining while and got off his back
ho and heard a would knock sound and

888
01:03:20.079 --> 01:03:22.440
he don't really believe in this stuff, and he didn't know what I think.

889
01:03:22.480 --> 01:03:24.159
It startled him is so loud,
and he turned around and looked and

890
01:03:24.639 --> 01:03:30.000
rohdeo dendrom and he's seeing its head
and shoulders miss rohto dinner patch looking at

891
01:03:30.119 --> 01:03:31.920
him, and then when he made
eye contact, it popped back down and

892
01:03:32.079 --> 01:03:36.800
was gone. It freaked him out
really bad. I mean he'd been looking

893
01:03:36.840 --> 01:03:38.920
for me for about three or four
months to find me too. You know,

894
01:03:40.239 --> 01:03:43.960
Yeah, you could just tell this
guy's seeing something. It was just

895
01:03:44.599 --> 01:03:47.440
he was just animated. And he's
sixty something years old, you know.

896
01:03:49.800 --> 01:03:52.519
Yeah again equipment by the way,
Jeremiah, I've had some experiences where heavy

897
01:03:52.559 --> 01:03:58.599
equipment has been left and they're in
the area. I don't know if it's

898
01:03:58.679 --> 01:04:01.480
curiosity, you know that happening,
you know, was it Bluff Creek,

899
01:04:01.639 --> 01:04:06.559
Willow Creek? Building? Log roads? But like when we got I think

900
01:04:06.599 --> 01:04:11.119
there's one other audio there that's a
wood knock I sent you if you want

901
01:04:11.159 --> 01:04:14.400
to play that. That's a but
there's a motor grader park there where we

902
01:04:14.519 --> 01:04:17.239
parked at night. It's a great
example of a wood knock. I think

903
01:04:17.280 --> 01:04:23.119
it says why w a y ah, which means wolf and Cherokee. Okay,

904
01:04:23.679 --> 01:04:30.159
here we go. I can't agree
you hear it sound like a baseball

905
01:04:30.239 --> 01:04:34.199
app It stopped us in our tracks. We'd been out all night, didn't

906
01:04:34.199 --> 01:04:39.280
have anything happening with my good friend, researcher George Wrigley and his son,

907
01:04:39.920 --> 01:04:44.079
and I really wanted his son to
experience something he'd never In fact, we're

908
01:04:44.119 --> 01:04:46.280
walking towards this old cabin at four
o'clock in the morning. I just wasn't

909
01:04:46.320 --> 01:04:50.400
gonna stop again. I'm I get
that way. I just keep going,

910
01:04:50.519 --> 01:04:54.639
and we'd add some I'd found a
track there, and a bowl hunter had

911
01:04:54.679 --> 01:04:58.320
sent me a report real close to
there. He'd seen one bowl hunting,

912
01:04:58.400 --> 01:05:01.199
and so I said, let's go
down to the old cabin. I remember

913
01:05:01.239 --> 01:05:05.400
how it going to Jeff. I'd
just rather they'd be a big foot here.

914
01:05:05.440 --> 01:05:08.639
Then this is scary. It's like
a ghost could be here, and

915
01:05:08.719 --> 01:05:12.320
then that would knock cabin right when
we got close, and it stopped us

916
01:05:12.320 --> 01:05:15.760
in a track, and we kind
of messed up and went around this cabin

917
01:05:15.519 --> 01:05:18.280
hurdly trying to cut it off,
and it ended up what I think I

918
01:05:18.320 --> 01:05:21.400
could hear it in the leaves crawling. I think it dropped down all fours.

919
01:05:21.480 --> 01:05:26.519
But I would call that a sentinel
kind of thing, because I think

920
01:05:26.599 --> 01:05:30.119
they do that sometimes while the family
groups feeding, they'll have one on the

921
01:05:30.199 --> 01:05:34.880
lookout kind of and they won't do
that until you get really close to something

922
01:05:35.039 --> 01:05:39.440
or they get agitated. But there's
no doubt there's nothing. I put an

923
01:05:39.519 --> 01:05:44.719
LDR there for four months and I
only heard one other would knock like that.

924
01:05:45.079 --> 01:05:47.760
I could hear acorns hitting the cabin. I heard all kinds of stuff,

925
01:05:47.760 --> 01:05:50.719
but nothing that you know how that
was Chris Jeremy. I just sound

926
01:05:50.760 --> 01:05:56.519
like a baseball bat hitting the ball. Yeah, definitely not an acre.

927
01:05:56.639 --> 01:06:02.360
I mean that's that's that was very
very distinct. Yeah, and it has

928
01:06:02.480 --> 01:06:05.199
forced behind it, you know,
in a Christmas I don't know how they

929
01:06:05.280 --> 01:06:10.719
do that. I do think sometimes
they'll do a mouth clack which sounds like

930
01:06:10.840 --> 01:06:15.079
a wood not but it's not.
But and then it could do a chess

931
01:06:15.119 --> 01:06:18.000
slap too. I think Rick rellis
tonight we had deciding and hurt a chess

932
01:06:18.440 --> 01:06:23.440
slap right before I'd walked up to
them there. Uh, and that's one

933
01:06:23.480 --> 01:06:26.519
of the reasons you had is parabolic
out you know, that type of thing.

934
01:06:26.679 --> 01:06:30.039
So but that's you know, audio
is a great thing to do there.

935
01:06:30.719 --> 01:06:36.599
Uh. And it does document some
unknown sounds that biologists can't explain.

936
01:06:36.840 --> 01:06:42.159
And uh, you know, and
it's just kind of fun too, to

937
01:06:42.239 --> 01:06:45.000
be honest, to listen those records
kind of like put you there of a

938
01:06:45.119 --> 01:06:47.760
night and you don't have to be
there. It is you know, one

939
01:06:47.800 --> 01:06:53.559
thing Jeremiah about this stuff research And
there are people that want to be researchers,

940
01:06:53.599 --> 01:06:55.639
but they like, and I hate
to say this, pretend to be

941
01:06:55.760 --> 01:07:00.920
researchers, but to do true research
or documentation of day and things like that.

942
01:07:00.360 --> 01:07:03.360
It is one of the hardest things
I've ever done. And I'm retired.

943
01:07:04.119 --> 01:07:09.719
This is incredibly hard. I tell
people it's like looking for a needle

944
01:07:09.760 --> 01:07:14.480
in a haystack, but haystack moves
around constantly, you know, And to

945
01:07:14.559 --> 01:07:17.599
get you know, something like a
Chris Wood knock sound not a tap,

946
01:07:17.800 --> 01:07:23.239
not a limb break, and not
an acre and falling, not a what's

947
01:07:23.280 --> 01:07:28.280
it called up your way? The
hedge, apple falling? You know them

948
01:07:28.440 --> 01:07:31.119
things. You know they're they're huge, you know when they fall. So

949
01:07:31.480 --> 01:07:35.320
but again I think what's important to
new people getting into this is you need

950
01:07:35.440 --> 01:07:40.639
to know the sounds. Now,
I keep minding, I grew up raccoon

951
01:07:40.760 --> 01:07:44.239
hunting when my dad of a night
with a lanner and that was it and

952
01:07:44.519 --> 01:07:48.280
night sounds. So from age five
to probably fourteen or fifteen, when I

953
01:07:48.360 --> 01:07:53.239
got into high school sports and was
too busy, I did that all the

954
01:07:53.320 --> 01:07:56.360
time. I just loved it to
go with my dad. It was kind

955
01:07:56.400 --> 01:07:58.840
of you know, he's kind of
like a I don't know, superhero walk

956
01:07:58.880 --> 01:08:01.239
around in the dark, you know. But these are the places he grew

957
01:08:01.360 --> 01:08:05.280
up as a kid, you know. And my grandfather had a uh and

958
01:08:05.360 --> 01:08:10.360
my great grandfather had a hunting uh. Well, before they were national parks

959
01:08:10.440 --> 01:08:16.079
here, they let on free range
cattle and pigs. Mineral companies owned the

960
01:08:16.239 --> 01:08:21.079
rights to massive tracts of property.
But you could apply and free range you

961
01:08:21.159 --> 01:08:24.880
know what you wanted to raise,
and they would do that. But they

962
01:08:24.960 --> 01:08:30.199
had a remote cabin way back in
standing Innian National or not Hating National Park.

963
01:08:30.640 --> 01:08:34.039
And Daddy and his brother was good
walk into supplies where they were just

964
01:08:34.239 --> 01:08:38.680
kids, and then walked back of
a night at lantern, so he knew

965
01:08:40.119 --> 01:08:43.680
Sarah where I'm talking about and had
my first sighting at the back of his

966
01:08:43.800 --> 01:08:47.119
hands. So I have a big
advantage there. But and then knowing the

967
01:08:47.239 --> 01:08:51.279
night sounds and I still I studied. You know, tonight's pretty night.

968
01:08:51.319 --> 01:08:55.079
I might end up riding. We
got the Blue Ridge Parkway here. I

969
01:08:55.159 --> 01:08:57.960
might go up and go to a
few overlooks and just set and listen,

970
01:08:58.039 --> 01:09:02.439
you know, and it's just a
really neat thing that I enjoy to do.

971
01:09:02.760 --> 01:09:08.039
You know when I stumbled in on
this and thanks to Matt Prue,

972
01:09:08.279 --> 01:09:11.920
I'll throw that in our case he
listens to these, it's his fault.

973
01:09:13.760 --> 01:09:17.119
I said. I think it's really
cool how you have that that friendship with

974
01:09:17.399 --> 01:09:21.600
with Matt Prue. That's that's very
cool. I would say, so,

975
01:09:23.840 --> 01:09:29.560
you know, ending ending out our
discussion together and Jeff, thank you for

976
01:09:29.960 --> 01:09:33.840
hanging out tonight. But probably a
question you may have gotten before, but

977
01:09:34.840 --> 01:09:42.039
the thinking of the Sasquatch, what
do you think it is that we are

978
01:09:42.800 --> 01:09:46.880
are dealing with out there? Have
you come to grips with it's probably more

979
01:09:47.760 --> 01:09:54.000
this type of thing rather than another
thing, or do you have any thoughts

980
01:09:54.039 --> 01:09:57.960
about that? Well, that's a
loaded question. It is. It always

981
01:09:58.039 --> 01:10:00.039
pops up. I love it in
bo Well, you do a great job.

982
01:10:00.119 --> 01:10:04.159
But we've just kind of met this
past few months and I've listened to

983
01:10:04.199 --> 01:10:09.479
some of your podcasts. I really
appreciate the way you approach things and even

984
01:10:09.560 --> 01:10:13.720
asking that question, it's a good
one. I will tell you, I

985
01:10:13.800 --> 01:10:18.439
can't remember who was Grover Cranch or
somebody you can't answer solve a mystery with

986
01:10:18.520 --> 01:10:23.680
another mystery. You can't. So
I tend to be more on the uh,

987
01:10:23.960 --> 01:10:26.600
you know, and I'm open minded. I've seen some weird things out

988
01:10:26.640 --> 01:10:30.960
in the woods, and you will
weird lights and things like I told you

989
01:10:30.039 --> 01:10:32.920
when we're talking on the phone,
you know, kind of debut. And

990
01:10:32.920 --> 01:10:38.359
I've seen what my mother called mineral
lights or spirit lights. These are the

991
01:10:38.439 --> 01:10:42.840
brown mountain lights. I've seen two
of those are weird. But I don't

992
01:10:43.079 --> 01:10:45.279
see how people may call let's say, example, they see a weird light

993
01:10:45.359 --> 01:10:47.920
and sky, but then they see
a big foot later, what makes you

994
01:10:48.000 --> 01:10:51.840
think they're anywhere connected at all?
You know, you can't do that.

995
01:10:53.640 --> 01:10:57.079
You're just you know, you just
can't do that. And I'm more I

996
01:10:57.239 --> 01:11:01.000
try to be more I guess scientific
based or just fact based, I want

997
01:11:01.039 --> 01:11:08.239
to. But what I saw,
particularly the first time and then solid move

998
01:11:08.960 --> 01:11:14.279
was very primate, Like I should
say that now that goes into all kinds

999
01:11:14.279 --> 01:11:15.760
of territories. People always say,
well, Jeff, you know I'm not

1000
01:11:15.880 --> 01:11:20.439
an ape, Well you are a
primate, and then the religion thing pops

1001
01:11:20.560 --> 01:11:25.560
up. But I don't jeremyd get
into I think one of the problems humans

1002
01:11:25.640 --> 01:11:30.199
have is we want to try to
be God. Does that make sense,

1003
01:11:30.680 --> 01:11:35.680
and we're not. We're actually what's
that. There's a term at throw morpheism,

1004
01:11:36.039 --> 01:11:41.880
anthromorpheism and find sent right, which
is a Greek term that means that

1005
01:11:41.960 --> 01:11:45.119
we were taught by the Greeks.
They taught that we're over nature or over

1006
01:11:45.439 --> 01:11:49.119
things, and actually we're just a
part of nature, is what it is.

1007
01:11:49.359 --> 01:11:53.600
And here lately, I think a
lot of people's got that kind of

1008
01:11:53.640 --> 01:11:56.079
throwed in their face a little bit. We are we could die out and

1009
01:11:56.199 --> 01:11:59.920
the world's still gonna go around.
So what I saw was definitely a live

1010
01:12:00.319 --> 01:12:03.760
creature. Now I don't know,
and it was upright, very muscular.

1011
01:12:04.800 --> 01:12:08.920
It was not an apparition. Let
me tell you. You'll go through did

1012
01:12:09.000 --> 01:12:13.680
I see an apparition? Did I
see something time playing itself? You'll go

1013
01:12:13.840 --> 01:12:17.079
through all these things in a true
sighting. It is amazing. I had

1014
01:12:17.119 --> 01:12:23.319
a young lady report of sighting.
It's not posted on bfr oh yet.

1015
01:12:24.000 --> 01:12:26.479
When I called her, and it's
been a year and a half ago,

1016
01:12:26.720 --> 01:12:30.920
she started crying and she couldn't even
talk for work. She had to go

1017
01:12:30.000 --> 01:12:34.199
outside to her car. She was
just it was such an emotional experience for

1018
01:12:34.359 --> 01:12:39.720
her to see this thing. We'll
be back with more big Foot Society after

1019
01:12:39.840 --> 01:12:46.600
these words from our sponsors, and
it is, it's just but I do

1020
01:12:46.760 --> 01:12:53.800
think it's a living, breathing form
of a primate. I've heard noises' I've

1021
01:12:53.880 --> 01:12:58.479
heard them, and I've got documentation
of them walking. And that wasn't standing

1022
01:12:58.560 --> 01:13:01.479
Stone in Tennessee where married Green did
a lot of research. If you know

1023
01:13:01.520 --> 01:13:08.319
who Mary Green was, and it's
either it was either that you know,

1024
01:13:08.399 --> 01:13:12.079
on the spectrograph Jairm you can tell
if it's by a pedal by the lines,

1025
01:13:12.920 --> 01:13:15.479
you know, because of quite a
pedal shuffle kind of you know,

1026
01:13:15.279 --> 01:13:19.199
And this was definitely by a pedal. I'm sitting in pitch dark. It's

1027
01:13:19.319 --> 01:13:25.800
walking. And another researcher with a
Kentucky and bfr Jack Smart, who's a

1028
01:13:25.880 --> 01:13:28.760
great guy. He likes to take
a Tom Tom and I knew he was

1029
01:13:28.800 --> 01:13:30.920
going to do that, so I'd
snuck off from the group. I really

1030
01:13:31.000 --> 01:13:35.159
believe to get a perimeter area about
two hundred yards. Keep mind, these

1031
01:13:35.199 --> 01:13:41.119
things can hear probably really really good, so they're coming close, but not

1032
01:13:41.239 --> 01:13:44.159
as close as you think. Until
they feel more comfortable. They just want

1033
01:13:44.159 --> 01:13:45.880
to kind of figure out what's going
on. So I'm trying to, you

1034
01:13:45.960 --> 01:13:49.279
know, get out there and listen. And I heard this and it was

1035
01:13:49.359 --> 01:13:53.479
definitely it steps over a log.
You can hear it taking a longer step.

1036
01:13:54.760 --> 01:13:59.079
I was beside myself because if I
cut my light on and it's standing

1037
01:13:59.199 --> 01:14:01.600
in the road, it up above
me on and in the leaves is how

1038
01:14:01.640 --> 01:14:04.239
I could hear it. I would
have just passed out, you know,

1039
01:14:04.359 --> 01:14:09.359
because there's this thing. But it
was either that or a person. And

1040
01:14:09.520 --> 01:14:13.800
it's more creepy that it's a person
that's walking around an adult filling nowhere.

1041
01:14:14.239 --> 01:14:16.159
I mean, that's kind of weird, but I do think answer your question,

1042
01:14:16.800 --> 01:14:21.800
it's some form of a primate that
I saw. Particularly the movement that

1043
01:14:21.880 --> 01:14:26.159
I saw run. It looked very
ape like, and I get to see

1044
01:14:26.239 --> 01:14:29.960
gorillas a lot, so I'll see
how they move. This move more like

1045
01:14:30.119 --> 01:14:32.960
a chimp would move kind of but
fast like that, you know, not

1046
01:14:33.239 --> 01:14:38.960
lumbering like a gorilla. It got
gone, and I think it was a

1047
01:14:39.039 --> 01:14:43.600
juvenile and the rock clack we heard
was a warning that got out to open

1048
01:14:43.600 --> 01:14:46.199
because LORI saw it come down the
ridge and stopped, and she she was

1049
01:14:46.239 --> 01:14:50.760
afraid to say anything. I forgot
to mention that she just thought she was

1050
01:14:50.840 --> 01:14:54.520
seeing things. And then when we
talked about it later, she said,

1051
01:14:54.520 --> 01:14:57.439
I did see something move. I
just thought it was I seen things.

1052
01:14:58.119 --> 01:15:00.439
So I think it was a juvenile
that got out in the open a little

1053
01:15:00.479 --> 01:15:03.479
too much. And that's what that
rock clack was for. And when I

1054
01:15:03.560 --> 01:15:06.520
broke the audio down, you can
hear a little bit. I think I

1055
01:15:06.600 --> 01:15:12.039
have four recordings now and you have
to really listen to them with headphones.

1056
01:15:12.520 --> 01:15:15.640
But it's like a nervous tick.
You'll hear a wine kind of you know,

1057
01:15:15.760 --> 01:15:19.680
like a dog will do sometimes,
oh wow, yeah kind of thing,

1058
01:15:20.239 --> 01:15:24.960
and you can hear that very faintly. And another time when we had

1059
01:15:25.039 --> 01:15:29.720
a tree pushed over and I walked
up to an area and I could hear

1060
01:15:29.800 --> 01:15:32.880
something move and I heard a little
bit of a mumble, now not talking,

1061
01:15:32.960 --> 01:15:35.720
but a just you know, a
noise, and then a wine kind

1062
01:15:35.800 --> 01:15:40.800
of thing. Now, of course
bears can make different sounds too, but

1063
01:15:40.880 --> 01:15:45.000
they went more of a huffing sound. And then if you're you know,

1064
01:15:45.079 --> 01:15:47.000
on sidings, if people see an
upright bear, to tell you, you

1065
01:15:47.840 --> 01:15:51.439
know, the ears will be on
time. No clavicles, so when they

1066
01:15:51.520 --> 01:15:58.680
stand up they look like an assay. There's no shoulder. There's no shoulders

1067
01:15:58.720 --> 01:16:02.079
at all in the bear, just
don't have clasicles and so and then you'll

1068
01:16:02.359 --> 01:16:06.399
see ears on top of the head. That's tell tale things for people,

1069
01:16:06.600 --> 01:16:09.600
you know, to see. You
know, lots of times people will see

1070
01:16:10.199 --> 01:16:13.800
different angles so it looks different,
you know, emissidifications. He is a

1071
01:16:13.840 --> 01:16:16.920
big thing in this. But keep
minding only takes one credible thing, like

1072
01:16:17.039 --> 01:16:23.600
doctor Krantz said, for it to
be a real thing. And exactly and

1073
01:16:23.720 --> 01:16:27.039
by the way, just a little
shout out for doctor Mildrem. I don't

1074
01:16:27.039 --> 01:16:29.960
know if you heard yet. It
happened on the cruise and I hope he's

1075
01:16:30.000 --> 01:16:32.720
doing well. He's I hope he's
doing good too. We're kind of all

1076
01:16:32.800 --> 01:16:39.359
waiting to hear the news about how
that is. But yeah, that's standing.

1077
01:16:39.439 --> 01:16:43.680
Stone State Park comes up more often
than not on this show. It's

1078
01:16:43.760 --> 01:16:47.720
weird. Man like that area.
There's there's something going on because it comes

1079
01:16:47.840 --> 01:16:53.399
up over and over on my show. He is very interesting. So yeah,

1080
01:16:53.800 --> 01:16:56.920
and a lot of it's due to
Mary Green's great research. And that's

1081
01:16:56.960 --> 01:17:00.760
sure. By the way, Matt
knows new Mary. I don't know if

1082
01:17:00.800 --> 01:17:04.319
you know that. Uh, And
he can talk a lot about Mary if

1083
01:17:04.359 --> 01:17:06.159
he will, you know, I
don't know if he'd want to do that.

1084
01:17:06.399 --> 01:17:10.720
And he's thinking because he's talking about
his book, but he knows a

1085
01:17:10.800 --> 01:17:15.640
lot about that, and she did
some great research there and spend a lot

1086
01:17:15.760 --> 01:17:19.760
of time document things. And again, if you ever go there, it's

1087
01:17:19.760 --> 01:17:25.199
a small state park, but there
is a lot of there's a national there's

1088
01:17:25.199 --> 01:17:29.079
a forester around it too, which
is totally different. Uh, you know,

1089
01:17:29.520 --> 01:17:31.920
it's not you know, there's two
different places, name wise, so

1090
01:17:32.000 --> 01:17:34.840
it's a bigger area and what most
people think. And there is water there,

1091
01:17:35.199 --> 01:17:39.399
lakes and a lot of little tributaries, and it is what I am

1092
01:17:39.439 --> 01:17:43.640
my opinion, a great quarter or
a good transitionary where they kind of moved

1093
01:17:43.680 --> 01:17:46.720
through sometimes. You know, again, if these things stay in one cove

1094
01:17:47.479 --> 01:17:50.680
as big as they are, Jeremiah, you're going to after a while,

1095
01:17:50.720 --> 01:17:55.279
you're going to see sight of them. They would just mad everything, damn.

1096
01:17:55.439 --> 01:18:00.159
Leadwise, it's just common sense,
you know, So they're constantly I'll

1097
01:18:00.159 --> 01:18:04.079
be moving in forgance what's going on. But uh, it's a great thing.

1098
01:18:04.119 --> 01:18:08.279
And I encourage people out there if
they may ever been into an expedition

1099
01:18:08.520 --> 01:18:11.800
or been out I know you've been
out sometimes, you know. I think

1100
01:18:11.800 --> 01:18:15.399
I've seen you've been out here recently. It's just a thing to do.

1101
01:18:15.600 --> 01:18:19.600
Yeah, I've bet two times in
Iowa. Yeah, oh, in Iowa,

1102
01:18:19.880 --> 01:18:24.199
Okay, yeah, yeah, I'm
from my central Iowa, so that's

1103
01:18:24.319 --> 01:18:28.399
that's where we we go out.
It's fun, it's fun. Yeah.

1104
01:18:28.439 --> 01:18:30.760
I hope to maybe get your My
son's moved to Wisconsin now. He's up

1105
01:18:30.840 --> 01:18:35.760
here at Wakasong Less Pauls from they
are working now. He just flew back

1106
01:18:35.840 --> 01:18:40.319
today, him and his girlfriend.
But uh, hopefully i'll get up heround.

1107
01:18:40.359 --> 01:18:45.920
We'll be up in Ohio working the
Susan Fair, Chalk's and Matt Moneymaker

1108
01:18:45.079 --> 01:18:53.239
the drama thing there. I've got
a private thing doing uh Ohio too,

1109
01:18:53.279 --> 01:18:56.960
in Kentucky and I've been up to
Ohio. Spoke at b Mills. I

1110
01:18:57.000 --> 01:19:00.600
don't know if you've interviewed b but
but you haven't. Yeah, but I

1111
01:19:01.720 --> 01:19:04.720
yeah, yeah, she's very good. And her festival, I think the

1112
01:19:04.800 --> 01:19:09.800
first year was last year and I
spoke there. We had twelve thousand people

1113
01:19:09.960 --> 01:19:15.079
at the festival. This year they
had forty two thousand people. Sure that

1114
01:19:15.199 --> 01:19:19.840
was Hawking Hills, right, Howking
Hills, Yep? I think forty one

1115
01:19:19.960 --> 01:19:24.000
forty two thousand. That's wild man. You know, they did that from

1116
01:19:24.079 --> 01:19:29.520
drone footage and she does a great
job of that. But she has some

1117
01:19:29.680 --> 01:19:32.239
great audio by the way too,
and just some good track finds. But

1118
01:19:32.439 --> 01:19:35.880
uh, yeah, it's a and
like I said, I was wrong about

1119
01:19:36.119 --> 01:19:40.279
my first trip into this. There's
some great people in this. I've met

1120
01:19:40.359 --> 01:19:45.920
some who just off the charts,
great people, very knowledgeable, and they

1121
01:19:46.000 --> 01:19:48.720
do a lot of work in it. I think lots of times the research

1122
01:19:48.840 --> 01:19:53.399
gets disinterpreted, and you know,
you've got a lot of couch people out

1123
01:19:53.479 --> 01:19:57.239
there that you know wanted you know, I encouraged people to get out experienced

1124
01:19:57.279 --> 01:20:00.720
things for yourself like a sunrise or
you know, go out in spirits,

1125
01:20:01.680 --> 01:20:05.279
you know, a startled at night, you know a moonlight night, go

1126
01:20:05.399 --> 01:20:09.279
out in the woods, and you
know, go with credible people, be

1127
01:20:09.439 --> 01:20:13.680
safe with it. But it is
a great experience and then if you can

1128
01:20:13.760 --> 01:20:16.079
get lucky and have something happen,
it's really unique. You know. But

1129
01:20:16.199 --> 01:20:20.039
they are a real living thing,
absolutely know that for a fact. For

1130
01:20:20.079 --> 01:20:26.760
sure. I agree with you there, Jeff has been such a fascinating conversation.

1131
01:20:27.520 --> 01:20:30.159
Uh you're you're one of those guys, I feel like I could I

1132
01:20:30.239 --> 01:20:34.479
could chat with forever, but thank
you for coming on a fun one.

1133
01:20:36.039 --> 01:20:41.199
It is there a way that,
you know, let's say someone was listening

1134
01:20:41.279 --> 01:20:44.079
to this and they're like, oh
man, you mentioned this area. I

1135
01:20:44.760 --> 01:20:48.039
had something happened in that area.
Is there a way people can contact you

1136
01:20:48.199 --> 01:20:51.840
or do you kind of just keep
under the radar, can post stuff on

1137
01:20:51.920 --> 01:20:56.000
the bfr O side, all right, but if you're not comfortable that,

1138
01:20:56.119 --> 01:21:00.399
they can send me an email at
a Jeff Carpenter six team at yahoo dot

1139
01:21:00.479 --> 01:21:05.279
com and I check my email there. I prefer not giving out my phone

1140
01:21:05.359 --> 01:21:11.159
number. I get more of my
reports, Jeremiah, just by word of

1141
01:21:11.239 --> 01:21:14.439
mouth. People contact me. You
know, hey, you're the big foot

1142
01:21:14.479 --> 01:21:19.159
guy kind of thing. And I'm
amazed at how many people, particularly professional

1143
01:21:19.239 --> 01:21:24.600
people like a policeman. I've had
park rangers. They won't talk about things

1144
01:21:24.760 --> 01:21:30.239
until they're really retired. And yeah, I've had some good reports from I

1145
01:21:30.319 --> 01:21:32.239
could go on and on about different
things, and hopefully in the future we

1146
01:21:32.319 --> 01:21:35.199
can do another one. I'd like
to talk to you about what I call

1147
01:21:35.319 --> 01:21:41.920
the orange incident that happened at debate
station. It would take a whole episode

1148
01:21:42.039 --> 01:21:46.199
talking all right, Yeah, well, hey, I'll be in touch,

1149
01:21:47.039 --> 01:21:50.520
but yeah, they can contact me
there. And I do encourage people.

1150
01:21:50.560 --> 01:21:55.880
I do think a lot of people
don't do reports because they feel like they

1151
01:21:55.880 --> 01:21:59.079
would be labeled crazy, you know
kind of thing, or they just want

1152
01:21:59.159 --> 01:22:03.439
followed away where sometimes maybe their memory
is a repressed memory. I found in

1153
01:22:03.600 --> 01:22:09.520
my talk if people will talk about
things, it's kind of like the girl

1154
01:22:09.600 --> 01:22:12.920
I was talking about, young Lady. After while, she said, Jeff,

1155
01:22:12.960 --> 01:22:15.399
this has been therapeutic. I've kind
of got this off my shoulders.

1156
01:22:15.479 --> 01:22:20.159
I feel so much. They kind
of have post traumatic stress disorder. Absolutely,

1157
01:22:21.239 --> 01:22:26.680
it's a it's of course doctor John
Barcheck. If you know doctor John,

1158
01:22:26.800 --> 01:22:30.039
he's a psychologist and we talk a
lot about that. How was it

1159
01:22:30.159 --> 01:22:34.079
his first expedition and helped him ally. He's a great guy, but his

1160
01:22:34.239 --> 01:22:40.479
specialty is post traumatic stress disorder.
So they do after they talk about it,

1161
01:22:40.520 --> 01:22:44.920
they feel so much better because it's
such a weird thing to them that

1162
01:22:45.000 --> 01:22:47.880
they saw this. Kind of like
if you see Jesus walking down the road,

1163
01:22:48.000 --> 01:22:50.880
he's just wow, you know,
Jesus was a real thing, but

1164
01:22:51.840 --> 01:22:56.359
he just it's just hard to imagine. It's a little different when you see

1165
01:22:56.439 --> 01:22:58.880
him on the road. Yeah.
Well, ye know, I'm just saying

1166
01:22:59.039 --> 01:23:02.439
or Santa Claus or there, Santa
Claust. You know, it's just a

1167
01:23:03.680 --> 01:23:08.000
but it is a real thing,
and I have to emphasize to a lot

1168
01:23:08.039 --> 01:23:12.079
of people. It was very hard
for me to come out publicly the library

1169
01:23:12.119 --> 01:23:15.920
here when we do a presentation,
and I thought I'd have thirty people come

1170
01:23:16.279 --> 01:23:19.960
and I had two hundred and right, two hundred and fifty people show up.

1171
01:23:20.159 --> 01:23:24.479
My goodness, oh it was this
this year. It's two thousand,

1172
01:23:24.600 --> 01:23:29.720
nineteen years ago. I couldn't believe. And I had a lot of Cherokee

1173
01:23:29.840 --> 01:23:32.079
people come and had some sightings,
and you know, some of them were

1174
01:23:32.159 --> 01:23:36.159
kind of questionable signings other people would
said, but someone were very good and

1175
01:23:36.199 --> 01:23:40.000
I followed up. And then of
course I had a park rangers show up.

1176
01:23:40.079 --> 01:23:43.479
He wouldn't give me his name,
but they had some things and that

1177
01:23:43.640 --> 01:23:46.359
led to sighting a couple of years
later that a lady had and I was

1178
01:23:46.439 --> 01:23:48.560
falling the area and she got a
hold of them, you know, on

1179
01:23:48.640 --> 01:23:54.359
the Blue Ridge Parkway and it was
right where these rangers two years before that,

1180
01:23:54.479 --> 01:23:56.439
and said, hey, you need
keep an eye on that place where

1181
01:23:56.439 --> 01:24:00.279
it was some weird stuff happening,
oh wow, and mostly noises and uh

1182
01:24:01.720 --> 01:24:06.039
yeah, again that's probably I hate
giving out information when they don't approve me

1183
01:24:06.199 --> 01:24:12.520
doing that. People to understand when
I'm kind of and I'm reluctant to talk

1184
01:24:12.560 --> 01:24:18.000
about locations just because of purity and
safety, if that makes sense, purity

1185
01:24:18.159 --> 01:24:21.319
for my research, because again I'm
documenting a lot of stuff. I want

1186
01:24:21.359 --> 01:24:26.079
to make sure I can, you
know, not have ten people doing big

1187
01:24:26.159 --> 01:24:30.439
foot calls in an area that I'm
trying to, you know, narrow something

1188
01:24:30.479 --> 01:24:31.880
down. You know, it's kind
of hard. Luckily, we don't have

1189
01:24:32.000 --> 01:24:36.039
many roads in western North Carolina,
so that helps a lot. So it's

1190
01:24:36.159 --> 01:24:40.159
one way in, one way out
there. You go, thank you again

1191
01:24:40.239 --> 01:24:42.800
for it's been a pleasure, and
you do a great job, and good

1192
01:24:42.880 --> 01:24:45.479
luck with your your podcast. It's
I love your logo by the way.

1193
01:24:46.199 --> 01:24:50.199
Oh thanks yeah. Shout out to
Jonathan dies for for doing that for me.

1194
01:24:50.359 --> 01:24:54.920
But Jeff, thanks so much for
a coming answer. You have a

1195
01:24:54.960 --> 01:24:59.840
good night. You're a big for
Society. Article is to provide a platform

1196
01:25:00.119 --> 01:25:04.640
for those that have encountered bigfoot to
share their encounter in a safe and respected

1197
01:25:04.800 --> 01:25:10.560
environment. But we need to hear
your story. If you've experienced something that

1198
01:25:10.680 --> 01:25:16.279
you just can't explain, please send
me an email at Bigfoot Society at gmail

1199
01:25:16.319 --> 01:25:20.399
dot com. Then we can start
the conversation. I know a lot of

1200
01:25:20.479 --> 01:25:28.159
you have not shared your encounter at
all. It's been twenty years and it's

1201
01:25:28.239 --> 01:25:31.000
time that you get this off your
chest and then you can get some well

1202
01:25:31.119 --> 01:25:35.520
deserved for rest, because I know
you haven't been sleeping. I understand what

1203
01:25:35.600 --> 01:25:39.640
you're going through, and I appreciate
every one of you listening