Kathy Strain's Area X Bigfoot Encounters

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I have the privilege of having Kathy's Strain

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with me tonight. Kathy, do
you mind tell them a little bit about

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yourself to the listeners? Oh?
Sure. I am a professional archaeologist.

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I have a bachelor's and master's degree
in anthropology and I'm currently the forest archaeologist

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and Tribal Relations program manager for the
Stanislaus National Forest in central California. That

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is amazing, so out in California. Now what section of California is that

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in northern southern We're sort of in
the middle. So if you do you

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know where you're semiting National forests?
Oh yeah, I've done there, Yeah

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totally. We live right adjacent to
it. So the National forest is basically

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adjacent to Yosemite and then over from
there. Yeah, I barely have cell

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covered at my house. We are
a very rural county. I think the

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whole county's only got like a couple
maybe fifty thousand people in the entire county.

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But yeah, we have. It's
all wooded, We've got beautiful trees

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and scenery, and you know,
it's just a gorgeous place to live and

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be. And of course it's Bigfoot
territory because there's not many of us debug

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him. A group of us Upino
had taken a Oh man, it's one

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of those little electric cars, and
we had no idea what we were in

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for, and it was just like
it was barely getting up the hills,

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right. But man, this is
before I was into Bigfoot, So this

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is a few years back, really
into it. And I remember we had

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stopped at an out look and it
was just like pure sky, stars,

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all that. We get back in
the car and we were starting to drive

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off, but I remember like looking
out into the dark of the woods and

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I'm like, man, it just
feels like there's something out here right now,

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and I couldn't put my finger on
it. I was like, you

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could walk a minute out there and
not be able to come back in.

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It was. It's the craziest thing. It's so hard to explain until you

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experience it. Yeah, yeah,
it's beautiful but remote, and it's you

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definitely have to get used to it. And then it is kind of funny

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when you know, you run into
tourists and they think they're in the wilderness

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because their cell phone doesn't work,
and you're just like closed to be in

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the wilderness. You know, you
have a road, you are not in

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the wilderness. So it is it
is a great privilege and been here a

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very long time and we're going to
retire here. Can you explain a little

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bit more about what Being the Tribal
Relations programs manager, So for the forest

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archaeology part, I'm in charge of
every before we do a project, before

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we cut a tree, before we
build a new campground, we have to

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survey it for the presence of archaeological
site, so either historic or Native American.

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And so I have a I have
employees that help me do that,

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so it's not me personally doing it, because it would never get done if

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it was up to me. But
then I so I'm in charge of all

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those sites, management of them.
I the artifacts that are collected are part

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of our program, historic maps,
photographs, that kind of thing, so

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that we're we're keying history for the
future. So that's our main job is

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to try to preserve this stuff.
And with tribal relations, my job is

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to work with the tribes that live
here and call the Stataslaus National Forest their

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ancestral lands. Make sure that their
needs are met, like if they need

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to go gather, or they have
another need, or they want to comment

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on something that we're doing. And
they have some very special sites that are

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out there that we also manage with
them together. And so it's a great

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job in the sense of I've known
most of these tribes for twenties plus years

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and so they're more like friends now. I really enjoy what I do,

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and I really enjoy helping tribes that
they have a need. And I keep

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a list where all these plants are
so in case somebody needs an easy way

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to get to Willow or an easy
way to get to Braconfort or other gathering,

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just kind of that's what I do
for them. My role is to

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help support them in their tribe and
how they traditionally lived and continue as much

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of that as possible. When you
started this was the being into Bigfoot before

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or did it come after you got
into that war? So I came an

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anthropologist because of Bigfoot. It's all
So. I saw a documentary. It's

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not a documentary. I saw a
film that I thought was a documentary at

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the time, but Legend of Boggie
Creek. It had a huge influence on

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me, and so, you know
both. It frightened me, but it

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was interesting that maybe there was something
out there that we didn't know what it

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was, and science didn't know what
it was, but people were seeing it.

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And my grandfather is from the Arkansas
area and he used to tell me

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about this thing they called I remember
now red River Monster or something to that

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effect, and it just drew my
interest. I and then asked, I

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think I was in fifth grade,
but my mind is, you know,

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older you get, the more of
those young things you forget, but yeah,

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so I think it was around fifth
grade. I asked my teacher,

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you know, what do I have
to do to study Bigfoot? And she

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goes, I'm pretty certain you have
to be an anthropologist. And that's all

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it took, you know. I
was just I'm heading always always was my

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pathway. But to be also fair, my family traveled a lot. We

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never went to Disneyland or anything like
that. When we went on vacation,

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we went on two weeks worth of
driving through the States and staying in national

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parks and national forest and camping,
and so that was already a big part

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of my life then. So it
was a natural fit, you know.

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And then I figured it out,
when nobody's going to pay me to study

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big what am I going to do
now? And then? But I always

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loved, you know, history and
archaeology and all that stuff, so it

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was easy fit. And it was
interesting that that's my my foray into bigfooting

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and kind of officially was with a
tribe and what their traditional beliefs were when

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I was working on a different part
of California, and that's where my passion

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for Native American viewpoints on Bigfoot came
from. Is that that influence of Bigfoot's

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really important to us the tribe.
And here's some interesting things that maybe you

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don't know. And the local tribe
here has tons of stories about what Bigfoot

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is to them, and his name
is jay Alli here in Tuilam County.

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Almost every tribe in the United States, Alaska, Canada have a traditional Bigfoot

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story and have traditional names. And
I actually the author of a book that

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is a collection of those stories.
And there's a neat little appendix that has

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the traditional word for Bigfoot for that
tribe and then what it means, what's

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the translation of it? What the
book is called giants, cannibals, and

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monsters. Correct, yes, Bigfoot
native culture. Yeah. Do you find

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that most tribes view Bigfoot then as
like protector or that's why my title of

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my book is that way is that
some is just a giant, just a

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brother, not human, and a
lot of stories He's a camp And they're

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the most prevalent at least here basically
let's say West Coast kind of thing,

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although there's there there's others and other
places in America, but it's very prevalent

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in California, Oregon, Washington and
going into British Columbia. It's the most

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common story you'll find. Yeah,
okay, do you find that these stories

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will be spread across all the tribes
even the ones out in the eastern coasts

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or can I remember? These stories
are hundreds of years old and so internet,

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no phones. The book is broken
up into what we call cultural areas.

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As California is its own cultural area
and their stories are very similar.

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But Pacific Northwest that's a cultural area
and their stories are very similar and not

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really like the ones in California.
And so then you have like the South

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have very similar stories, but they're
nothing like you know, they may have

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some commonalities, but most of the
time they're they're specific for their regions.

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For example, eagle is a very
common character in a story because people but

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just because they all have egle means
they all saw an eagle and felt that

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it was regal and and and part
of that. But and they'll incorporate them

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into the stories. But then that's
generally, you know, it's not because

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they heard from another tribe that eagle
is important. They on their own that's

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part of their culture that they believe
for thousands and thousands of years. Do

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you remember let's let's go back to
you know, you're going through all your

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schooling, You're getting into the place
where you want to be. You're like,

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I'm getting closer. I'm getting closer
to where I've spent all this time

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through schooling to get to this place. Do you remember the first time where

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it's you had that You're like,
oh, I am in position to get

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this amazing Bigfoot information and I see
this amazing Bigfoot evidence or like I made

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it, I'm you working with.
I was born and raised in Portville,

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California, Okay, and that is
the Sequoia National Force, and that's where

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I started my career. And I
worked a lot with the Chiley River Indian

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Reservation and they're that tribe which have
the painted rocks there that's known as the

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Harryman Pictograss. Oh yeah, the
cover of the book. And that's where

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my original foray into sitting with the
elders and them conveying to me what their

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traditional belief in Bigfoot was. That's
when I first kind of went this is

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cool and I can talk to me
about this. But night after I had

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left that position, I then was
promoted to a job and the same with

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the for service, but it was
based out of Las Vegas, Nevada,

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and so you don't need a whole
lot of Bigfoot stories or tribes bigfoot there,

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and so I kind of yeah,
waying through that, and it was

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really when I came to this National
Forest, and I believe I came in

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nineteen ninety eight. And I also
have to explain computers. I know to

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many people are everywhere. You biquitus, you got one on your phone,

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you got them everywhere. Well,
when I started, computers were that foreign

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thing that cost a lot of money, and so you had one and you

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all shared it. So the first
time I really got a computer that was

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really just dedicated to my use was
when I came to this Stanislaus National Forest.

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And when then Internet became more prevalent, because back in the days,

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we used to have these little weird
I don't even know what they're called anymore,

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but they were like maybe a chat
thing and you had threads and stuff

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and it was, you know,
yeah, what's it called, like forums

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or whatever. Yeah, I know
what you're talking about. It escapes me

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right now yet. And I got
here and one night I had some time

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and nobody was around, and I
hadn't ready to go home yet, and

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I brought up the Internet and I
typed in Bigfoot, and I was just

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blown away that there was information on
the Internet. And one of the first

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things or groups I found was the
BFRO of course, so that was that

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was my real foray of getting getting
to know that there were other people like

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me, because I thought I was
a weirdo, that I'm the only person

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on earth who believes in Bigfoot,
and then here it is, I find

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this whole entire group with tons of
people in it, and I was just

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like that. That, I think
is the day I kind of went,

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oh, my gosh, you know, I'm not alone, and I can

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interact with these people and I can
find out more data. But plus also

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approach it from a scientific yes,
because you know, I had known that

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there were you know, people out
there. We see them on the news

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and stuff, and they just sounded
like they were, you know, drunk

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and they saw you know, a
bear and they could do the different,

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you know. And so here was
this opportunity to meet other scientists because Krantz

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was in that group and Meldrum and
oh quite, I mean a lot of

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people that just lifelong friends for me, we're in that group. And so

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that was that was the day I
think I said, I'm where I'm supposed

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to be. I'm staying put here
and this is what I'm gonna do.

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Wait, did you just did you
say you had so you had dealings with

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you? Said Grover Krantz. Yeah, really yes. Oh man, See

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that just blows my mind because I'm
still very, very new to all this,

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and when I think of guys like
that, it's you know, they

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were back then we didn't have access
to them. But to be able to

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talk to someone like you who was
almost in that like that period of time

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where you had access to some of
those you know, greats of the field,

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that's awesome. Yeah. John Green
was in that grow Yeah, yeah,

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Lauren Coleman. I think Peter Burn
wasn't, but I Peter Burn,

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I know, from a different avenue. Yeah. I mean I've i haven't

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talked to literally everybody, but I
mean I've talked to a lot of people,

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mostly because they're always curious of you
know, how does it how does

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it work that you're a professional hy
work for the government and yeah, yeah,

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I'm a bigfootter too, how does
that work? Kind of thing?

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And so it was just a good
advice on you know, just just to

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always take it from a scientific approach
and don't be afraid to say, hey,

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I don't I don't think what you're
looking at is evidence. I don't

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think I think you're miss interpreting this
because of X y Z. Helpful words

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that that are have lasted a lifetime
for me. So his name is Bob

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right, yes, yeah, and
he's also very involved with in foot as

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well. Uh not correct yea,
which that I think is awesome. Well,

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I met him at a bigfoot conference, did you Yes, it works,

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it works. It was my first
time I had finally decided I was

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going to speak at a conference,
and that was in two thousand and three

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and it was the International Bigfoots of
Posium. It was it was a huge

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deal. Jane Goodall was slated to
be there, which couldn't and she's I

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believe she's a film for us to
watch, and you had on green spoke,

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gave a keynote, Dimitri I was
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it was a huge deal and so
I gave a paper there and my first

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time that I was publish. It
was a fantastic conference. It truly truly

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was. In fact, I don't
think I've ever been to one that was

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equally as good set for maybe the
Yakama round Up for Bob Gimlin. That

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was that sounds awesome? Yeah,
man, So was that conference up in

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Northwest then? Or Willow Creek?
Oh? Okay? Cool? Oh?

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I mean the first one where both
of them are the first one? Oh

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no, The first one was in
Willow Creek, the International Bigfoot Symposium,

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because that was when we were we
went down to the film site of the

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Patterson Gimlin film. Gimblin was there
and and that's the first time I met

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James Bobo yep, met him there. It was killed me. But that's

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another story. But Yakama round Up
was in Yakama, Washington, Okay.

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Yeah, Bob Gimlin lives her husband
there. Just random bigfoot I came up

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to here. No, no,
no, he didn't. He only briefly

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talked to me really later that we
got together. But he he was a

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fan of mine from I handled all
of basically northern California Bigfoot sightings for the

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BFROL. He was a huge fan
of going to the BFRO and looking at

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the new reports, and I really
did a lot of work, and so

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he knew my name, and so
that's okay, the first time I ever

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met him. But this first time
I met a lot of people that are

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now very differends of mine, you
know, Tommy Yamarone, and there's just

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a lot of people there. So
yeah, awesome, thank you for sharing

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that. I just asked because both
of your highly respected in the community.

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So I wanted to get that little
tib that there. So it's just because

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of my brain. But Bob is
all the beauty. So that's that's about

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living in the Yosemite area. Have
you had any interesting things happen in this

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area. I've had several bit.
I do have sightings, but they're not

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from California, which I mean you
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United States and go siding. Yeah, around here, I've seen you know,

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we've seen footprints, and we have
a place that we used to bigfoot

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all the time that would routinely we
would call blast and we'd get a response,

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and you know, we see broken
trees, you know. Yeah,

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around here it's and there are quite
a bit of sightings and a lot of

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them are crossing the road kind of
situations and they, you know, are

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the viewers out of the poor driver. But the sighting sightings that I had

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were actually in Oklahoma because we're members
of another groups, the American Wooded Conservancy,

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and we have spent quite a bit
of time there, and so my

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first sighting. So think about me. I believe in bigfoots since I was

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I don't know how the fifth grader
or however old I was with myself.

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Okay, let's say seven, you
know, until I'm not going to reveal

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my age. But many many many
years and hair dye boxes to cover the

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gray years later, I don't have
a sighting sighting until twenty twelve. Wow.

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You know, that's a long time
to to still keep the faith and

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keep believing, you know. But
the footprints and other things I had seen

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were very convincing, and of course
being yelled at, you know, all

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the way across a valley is very
convincing too. But so you are referring

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to the new ac area X in
southeast Oklahoma? Is that right? That

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area? Wacht? Yeah, watch
mountains, but I call them ocheetahs because

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that's what the local n Okay,
that's cool, they pronounce, that's what

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they do. But yeah, and
we were. I've known members of the

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group for years and years and years, Alton Higgins, Daryl Collier. I

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mean, I've known them for a
very long time. And I was at

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a conference there in Texas and they
came up to me and Bob and said,

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you know, we've got this area
that is just amazing and all this

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stuff is happening and blah blah blah. Would you guys be interested in coming

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out and seeing what you think and
you know what's going on. And my

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mom had been in a billy my
mom, dad, brother in law,

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and sister. I'd been in a
bad car accident in November of twenty eleven,

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and I was like, oh,
you know, I don't know that

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this is something I can pull off. And my mom finally got out of

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the hospital. She was in the
hospital from November until April, and just

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the stress of all of that.
I talked to Bob and I said,

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you know, we need to just
go somewhere do something crazy. It's just

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so we can just release this stress
that we've been under, you know,

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for all these months. And we
said, why don't we go ahead and

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drive out there, stop buying see
Bob's family and in Dallas, Texas.

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You know, we're only going to
spend a week there. It's a week

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we don't like it. We'll just
leave early. And so that's what we

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decided to do. We made a
little vacation of it. We kind of

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went to different site seeing you know, we went by Grand Canyon and poor

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Bob hasn't recovered from that. So
I'm a very clumsy person and he swore

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I was just gonna fallen. Oh
boy, he was pretty nervous. He

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was happy the second we got out
of there. So we arrived on a

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Sunday and there was people already there, and you know, there's four cabins

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there that are we have them,
you know, the North cabin, in

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the East cabin. You know,
you have to orient take yourself because North

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in Oklahoma is not the same as
northern California. I tell you, this

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is a year different. And so
so nothing happened on Sunday was really just

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boring and getting to know everybody and
having a good time. And then Monday

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rolled around and basically my life changed. That That was the most profound emotional

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day. You know, besides I
guess your kids being bored, I guess

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I should, right, Yeah,
But I don't remember quite what time it

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was, but let's say it's like
mid afternoon. There was five of us,

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their totals. Basically, the four
of them were running around like they're

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being toyed with. So when when
a rock would hit a tin roof,

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because all the all the cabins have
ten roofs, the guys would run over

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there to check it out. And
then the second they got over there,

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then a rock would hit another roof
and they'd run over there. So this

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is what they've been doing, you
know, they're just playing around and I'm

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like, I'm not doing that.
It's just way too warm, and I

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just said, I'm just going to
stay here. And there's a lot come

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back, and we're sitting around.
Most of the fires that they have are

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of course, in a fire ring
outside, and we're sitting around this empty

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campfire. No fire was gone because
it wasn't you know, it wasn't cold.

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And I'm looking down and we're all
sitting in camp chairs and I'm looking

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down this area. We call it
the bottleneck because it's literally I don't know

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if you've been to Oklahoma, but
essentially the whole place is trying to kill

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you at any time it's got.
You know, you try to walk up

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the hill, you know you're hitting
rocks, there's down trees. There's this

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stuff called greenbrier, which is a
thorny, kind of vinish looking plant.

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The grab I've lost my shoes more
times than i'd like to count there,

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you know where it untied your shoelaces
and pulls your shoe off. There's snakes

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everywhere. Oh really, that's not
cool, not pleasant. No, And

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then it include the spiders that are
like this big that I walked through.

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Their spider was more than a few
times. So we're sitting there and I'm

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looking down this area. It's called
the bottleneck, and the bottleneck is essentially

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the clearest, easiest walking spot on
that it is private property on this property.

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And then we called the bottleneck because
it's the only place if you're really

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gonna catch anything, that's where you're
going to get it, because everywhere else

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it's so thick with brush and whatever
you're not going to get really clear glances.

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We're sitting there and one of the
gentlemen that we were with, Mark

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goes Man, I hear something walking
and we were like okay, and we're

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listening and we were wondering if it
was our resident fox that comes by and

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looks for scraps and stuff. And
then all of a sudden, I see

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a big one and a little one
come into my frame of view, and

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they're doing some kind of weird thing
like one. It was clear the big

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one wanted the little one to come
with it, and the little one was

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intent on coming closer to us no
matter what I mean, that's what it

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looked like, is no, no, We're going to go here, and

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the other ones going no, no, no, And I think admitted where

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it was to try to get behind
this shed. And I don't know if

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you noticed, but I'm there's not
been a whole lot of women down there,

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and my voice is certain what I've
seen. No. Yeah. And

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so I always had the impression that
the little one thought I was a little

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one because of my Yeah, I
don't do it. I don't. It's

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just a speculation on my part.
And so I bolt up, I jump

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up out of my chair and I
point at them and I go, there

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they are, and I ran at
them because I'm going to catch them.

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Yeah, get them, yeah,
And they turned around and bolted up this

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hillside like they were on a bungee. Hear that over and over. Yeah,

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I've never seen anything like it.
And it was interesting because then there

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was no sound, so they weren't
being quiet coming because I think they thought

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we were over at the other cabin, you know, investigating the rock crows,

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and I think they thought they had
clear to come closer, and we

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caught them anyway, So they just
go whoosh right up that hillside like it

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was nothing. And so y'all ran
over there, and the five people there,

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all four people saw the same thing. One person didn't see anything because

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he just didn't have the view of
it. And had I not said anything

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to anybody or not gotten up and
yelled and ran towards him. There was

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actually a camera that we had set
there, and I'm the one who triggered

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it because I'm the one who ran
past it. And so if they had

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just come just a little bit closer, we would have had him on the

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film. Oh no, man,
Yeah, but yeah, and so and

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then from there it was just crazy
and it's all craziness broke loose where we

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had so many things happened. It
was just but the day we drove out

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of there, we stopped at the
where the road hits another road where we

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turned to go back to civilization,
and we stopped there with our friend Brian

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Brown, and we got out of
the car and we just looked dazed at

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each other, just like, you
know, we felt like we had just

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been through put through Vietnam. You
know, that's how times because it was

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non stop, it never stops,
you know. It was constant rock throws,

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constant something weird happening, constant of
all these things, and you just

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never got a break. And and
so we actually talked about it all the

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way home, and I think we
spent six months constantly talking about it about

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we can't believe this actually happened,
you know. And the funny thing about

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it is that they looked just like
Patty from the Patterson Gimmlin film. It's

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exactly what they like exactly really,
I mean, of course they would,

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but like that's just that, for
some reason blows my mind. That's awesome.

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And then later in that week,
Bob saw another one that was reddish

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in color, and he said it
looked just like an Irish center. It

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was just really pretty. Really yeah, I wish I'd seen that one neat

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to see. But you know,
if you read we have on the website.

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If you people want to visit it
with dot org, there is a

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you can go to the Watchita Project
monolith. You can read all the stuff

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that's happened because we outline things that
have been seeing, things that have occurred.

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And it really is we we really
try to run as scientific operation.

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That that's we note everything. We
take notes of everything that happens, We

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collect evidence all that stuff that goes
with that. So but you can read

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up on it and if you're interested
in I personally checked it out before.

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And so these are like these are
heavy duty, like almost scientific journal type

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papers like yeah, I mean that
which is awesome, like hats off to

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I mean the guys involved, guys
and guys involved with this, they're they

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like I think they're the most some
of the most serious that I mean,

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they are like man, they are
prepared and ready for action and no messing

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around in this business when we're there. You know, nobody is allowed to

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drink alcohol. Nobody. Uh oh
okay, that's good. Very careful,

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very careful about what we do when
we have you know, we have protocols,

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we have all these things that you
have to have to know in order

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to even go, because we don't
just let anybody go. You have to

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be a trusted person, which is
very good. We don't want somebody shooting

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a human because they they're training or
anything like that. That's the worst thing

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that can happen, is so.
Anyway, I had another sighting the year

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after that, and then another one
a year after that, and so it's

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been been But then there's been times
when we've been there where I absolutely nothing

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has happened and you're just about to
die from bording and the heat and the

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bugs and everything. It's it's hidden
miss when it's going to happen, because

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of course it's you know, all
sightings are random, of course. Yeah.

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Yeah, And this was also featured
in one of the episodes of Small

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Town Monsters On the Trail Bigfoot.
Correct, yes, yeah, oh man.

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I remember the first time I watched
that because I had looked into Area

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X before and then when I realized, like one of the episodes of On

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the Trail Bigfoot was going to at
the area, I was like, this

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is amazing, man, the footage
and that is so good, like it

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really makes you feel like you're there. Yeah, it was what we scared

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the poor guy, but very little
intense, but he was a nice person

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and he cracked me up. They
showed up. I think with tea all

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they had to be was snowballs jerky
and are you talking about yeah? Yeah,

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because nobody ever believes us when we
say it's it's you're really super remote

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and go as a corster's employee.
We have government trucks, you know,

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and and they're all four wheel drive, and they mostly all have eye clears,

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and we have some really horrible,
horrible roads and I've still gone down

406
00:31:33.000 --> 00:31:38.680
them. And believe me, that
rode into X is horrible. Yeah.

407
00:31:38.680 --> 00:31:41.839
I was going to bring that up. Yeah, Or there were one time

408
00:31:41.880 --> 00:31:45.640
we was so bad, We're tilted
like this and I reached up. I'm

409
00:31:45.680 --> 00:31:48.880
we're in the car driving and this
this is what we're driving on and I

410
00:31:49.160 --> 00:31:52.839
and there's Bobo above me now because
we're so tilted, and I'm going,

411
00:31:53.079 --> 00:31:57.319
oh, this is awful. And
then there's one spot that we used to

412
00:31:57.319 --> 00:32:02.319
go that there that it was just
because the brain had just washed away all

413
00:32:02.359 --> 00:32:07.720
the soil. And I'm just going
and I remember last time we call our

414
00:32:07.839 --> 00:32:12.440
truck Bessie. I'm talking to her. We're just interested in making it out

415
00:32:12.480 --> 00:32:15.759
and I'm going we'll never come back. We'll never come back to get us

416
00:32:15.759 --> 00:32:20.559
out of her face. Let us
live nice. We try to go out,

417
00:32:20.880 --> 00:32:22.240
come in and out of this group
as as much as possible. Case

418
00:32:22.279 --> 00:32:29.200
somebody encounters how smart, yeah we
were by ourselves, then no no one

419
00:32:29.279 --> 00:32:36.640
left behind. That might be another
scenario entirely if you're the only one in

420
00:32:36.720 --> 00:32:40.000
there. I mean, I'm not
to say you know how the wood apes

421
00:32:42.319 --> 00:32:45.160
act, but I mean you never
know, right like, yeah, you

422
00:32:45.240 --> 00:32:47.559
never do. And there have been
people who have been in there weeks at

423
00:32:47.559 --> 00:32:52.559
a time by themselves. Oh really, yeah, I mean people are The

424
00:32:53.279 --> 00:32:58.960
experience in twenty twelve was so intense. Bob and I made the decision to

425
00:32:59.160 --> 00:33:02.960
go back in twenty thirteen, but
he would go for three weeks by himself

426
00:33:04.960 --> 00:33:07.559
in it, and you know,
there was other people there, but without

427
00:33:07.599 --> 00:33:14.119
me. And then when he came
back, I went for three weeks and

428
00:33:14.160 --> 00:33:15.680
that was you know, that's a
lot to give, you know, to

429
00:33:15.759 --> 00:33:20.960
do that. It was wonderful experience
for me. I mean it was a

430
00:33:21.000 --> 00:33:22.640
little lonely. I remember the first
week I was there, and it's really

431
00:33:22.640 --> 00:33:27.039
hard when your spouse is and that's
definitely the longest we've ever spent away from

432
00:33:27.079 --> 00:33:31.799
each other. And I remember They're
leaving and I'm waiting for my next team

433
00:33:32.400 --> 00:33:36.839
to come, and it was all
I could do not to go. No,

434
00:33:37.119 --> 00:33:38.720
God, please take me out of
here. I got to go.

435
00:33:40.839 --> 00:33:45.839
We had we had that. The
second week was was no. The first

436
00:33:45.839 --> 00:33:52.559
week was just god awful. I
mean it was just constant stuff raining down

437
00:33:52.599 --> 00:33:57.400
on us and we just couldn't get
any sleep at all. And that was

438
00:33:57.440 --> 00:34:00.880
pretty much an all girl group.
But we had Brian around there with us,

439
00:34:00.279 --> 00:34:06.160
and we had set up a surveillance
system around the cabin to see if

440
00:34:06.200 --> 00:34:10.280
we could catch them moving, and
it ended up that we could even see

441
00:34:10.320 --> 00:34:14.559
that eye on ourselves because it was, you know, it was I think

442
00:34:14.559 --> 00:34:16.639
it was a good quality, but
it was clearly putting off, you know,

443
00:34:17.320 --> 00:34:21.719
a light. It was unnatural for
the area, and so we didn't

444
00:34:22.360 --> 00:34:28.000
capture anything. But we used to
call that our bigfoot, our shield.

445
00:34:28.079 --> 00:34:31.280
Because we turned it on, nothing's
going to happen because they animals can see

446
00:34:31.280 --> 00:34:34.920
it, and so they were coming
anywhere near it. And that's that's the

447
00:34:34.960 --> 00:34:43.960
only time we've got any rest.
Wow. Question for you, what was

448
00:34:44.000 --> 00:34:49.679
there a situation where so you have
all this time where you're working with the

449
00:34:49.760 --> 00:34:55.320
tribes and you've got all these passed
down accounts in your head, and so

450
00:34:57.079 --> 00:35:04.760
you've built this this view in your
head of what Bigfoot looks like. Then

451
00:35:04.800 --> 00:35:09.000
you get out to area acts and
you actually see it. What how what

452
00:35:09.039 --> 00:35:13.920
does that do to your mind?
Is there like a big shift like that

453
00:35:14.000 --> 00:35:17.239
has to happen. Yeah, I
had in my mind that they look like

454
00:35:17.480 --> 00:35:21.280
Patty. I mean, tribes would
always tell me, yeah, that's what

455
00:35:21.320 --> 00:35:24.840
they look like, you know they
I fully support that being a real animal

456
00:35:24.920 --> 00:35:29.239
on that film, there's awesome that. There'd be no doubt of that,

457
00:35:29.960 --> 00:35:35.719
and so that's what I always pictured. But she's not really fast in that

458
00:35:35.800 --> 00:35:40.159
film. You notice she doesn't walk
at lightning speed. So the only thing

459
00:35:40.199 --> 00:35:45.599
that really traumatized me, I guess
was the speed of them going up that

460
00:35:45.719 --> 00:35:49.280
hill that that I remember. It
turned around to Bob and I just said,

461
00:35:49.280 --> 00:35:52.480
well, we might as well go
home because we can't win this.

462
00:35:52.840 --> 00:35:57.679
And he like, because any time
one of those things wanted to pick me

463
00:35:57.760 --> 00:36:00.599
up and carry me off, what
are you going to do about it?

464
00:36:00.039 --> 00:36:01.920
You know? I didn't. They
looked like they were strong, they were

465
00:36:02.039 --> 00:36:07.760
very Muscleuley and in two thousand and
fourteen, I saw the one that's called

466
00:36:07.840 --> 00:36:15.039
oh gray and monstrous, I mean
monstros where I saw him my stakeboat,

467
00:36:15.039 --> 00:36:19.239
where my sighting was, and I
sent them over to where I had seen

468
00:36:19.360 --> 00:36:22.840
him so that we could compare and
hide. And here's here's that thing.

469
00:36:22.880 --> 00:36:30.440
Here's Bob. Really he's six foot
tall. Whoa. It was huge,

470
00:36:30.559 --> 00:36:31.800
one of the largest things I've ever
seen in my life. And I would

471
00:36:31.880 --> 00:36:37.239
have no doubt whatsoever that if he
wanted to, he could even push the

472
00:36:37.280 --> 00:36:39.840
cabins down. I mean, it
wouldn't surprise me at all that he was

473
00:36:39.840 --> 00:36:45.559
so large, and so I wasn't
prepared for that. I wasn't prepared for

474
00:36:46.119 --> 00:36:49.840
that size difference, you know,
kind of thing, although it would make

475
00:36:49.960 --> 00:36:52.920
sense that, you know, males
would grow taller, bigger than a female

476
00:36:52.920 --> 00:36:57.480
that I was. I always made
fun of those people who called him eight

477
00:36:57.480 --> 00:37:01.159
footers or I to take front of
the ones that used to there's sightings where

478
00:37:01.199 --> 00:37:05.679
the bigfoot kept up with the car
driving, you know, ran along.

479
00:37:05.800 --> 00:37:08.199
Yeah sure right, yeah, see
now I'm going oops, you know,

480
00:37:08.400 --> 00:37:12.440
I guess they're kind of that fast. And so there's there's those kinds of

481
00:37:12.480 --> 00:37:15.360
things that I the tribes that always
told me, you know, don't go

482
00:37:15.440 --> 00:37:20.639
outside if you hear whistling because the
bigfoot's trying to lure you out. We've

483
00:37:20.679 --> 00:37:25.079
heard whistling now. Tribes have always
said that they bang on trees with sticks,

484
00:37:27.039 --> 00:37:29.440
you know, and so when you
hear it, that doesn't surprise me.

485
00:37:29.960 --> 00:37:31.960
It wasn't, It wasn't. Those
kinds of things are the things that

486
00:37:34.679 --> 00:37:39.119
basically I hadn't really been told,
I guess is the best things that no

487
00:37:39.239 --> 00:37:45.519
tribe had ever told me that they
could get that large so caught me off

488
00:37:45.519 --> 00:37:51.719
guard, or that there was fast, so that is is crazy. So

489
00:37:52.079 --> 00:37:55.880
you mentioned that you saw some of
I would imagine they're in a group there

490
00:37:57.360 --> 00:38:02.440
of some sort, and you saw
some of the males. Are they extremely

491
00:38:02.719 --> 00:38:08.199
like wide across to as well?
Or I couldn't say what I saw.

492
00:38:09.440 --> 00:38:15.400
I think and I cannot swear to
it that the first two I saw were

493
00:38:15.800 --> 00:38:23.760
a young female who was stuck babysitting
her bratty little brother. That was just

494
00:38:23.840 --> 00:38:30.440
my initial kind of because how I
why I've always thought that is when they

495
00:38:30.519 --> 00:38:34.719
bolted, she went up first and
did not wait for him at all.

496
00:38:35.159 --> 00:38:39.480
And so as I would think,
I've seen enough primate behavior, A mother

497
00:38:39.719 --> 00:38:47.079
is going to try to save her
child first, right, that's chimpanzee you.

498
00:38:47.480 --> 00:38:52.239
So that's what my why I was
I thought that way is that she

499
00:38:52.320 --> 00:38:54.920
went you're on your own, sucker, and just went whoop. And she

500
00:38:55.079 --> 00:38:58.880
was equally as fast. But you
know what I mean, she was definitely

501
00:38:59.039 --> 00:39:04.519
in safety before he got there.
But so the only male I've seen,

502
00:39:05.480 --> 00:39:08.119
I saw him by profile, so
I didn't get to see him across.

503
00:39:08.440 --> 00:39:16.360
I saw him this direction, and
he certainly seemed like he was wide certainly

504
00:39:16.639 --> 00:39:23.840
interesting, very interesting. I've actually
got a question that from Greg and the

505
00:39:23.880 --> 00:39:30.760
patreon who has it's kind of is
in this Area X area. His question

506
00:39:30.880 --> 00:39:32.800
is, it must have been amazing
to work with small town monsters and Area

507
00:39:34.079 --> 00:39:43.320
X. What's been your favorite or
coolest moment while squatching the proudest of I

508
00:39:43.360 --> 00:39:46.079
guess it's related to that. But
Peter Burns, if you know him,

509
00:39:46.119 --> 00:39:54.159
he's one of the four original persons. We were together at it's called beach

510
00:39:54.239 --> 00:40:00.360
Foot and it's an organ yeah,
and he picked up his chair it came

511
00:40:00.400 --> 00:40:04.519
over and started talking to me.
Wanted to hear about my sighting, and

512
00:40:04.559 --> 00:40:07.440
he asked me tons of question We
knew each other for a while, but

513
00:40:07.559 --> 00:40:10.559
not you know, never had a
ruled in depth conversation. And Peter is

514
00:40:10.840 --> 00:40:16.760
very much so of a firm believer, very stout firm believer the Bigfoot can

515
00:40:16.840 --> 00:40:22.079
only be in the Pacific Northwest.
I mean really, okay, okay,

516
00:40:22.360 --> 00:40:25.480
why I told him the story.
And then so then right after that we

517
00:40:25.559 --> 00:40:32.800
get interviewed for podcast Laura Krantz had
done it, yep, wild Thing,

518
00:40:34.199 --> 00:40:39.519
wild Thing, and he's interviewing myself, Bob and then Peter Burn and he

519
00:40:39.559 --> 00:40:44.760
admitted he goes, based on Kathy's
sighting, I'm now going to have to

520
00:40:44.800 --> 00:40:47.960
admit that there's bigfoot in other places, wow, North America. And I

521
00:40:47.960 --> 00:40:51.639
said, I'm going to give her. I'm going to give her Oklahoma.

522
00:40:51.719 --> 00:40:52.840
And so that's what I'll say from
now on. And I just went,

523
00:40:54.320 --> 00:40:59.199
well, and I just and I
remember I mentioned that to doctor Meldrum and

524
00:40:59.239 --> 00:41:04.199
he went, holy cow, because
you you don't know what that is?

525
00:41:04.239 --> 00:41:06.000
And I was like, yeah,
I do. I mean, so,

526
00:41:06.199 --> 00:41:09.920
I think that's what I'm more proud
of is that he took that I'm an

527
00:41:09.920 --> 00:41:16.199
anthropologist and what was what I saw
and took it seriously that Okay, maybe

528
00:41:16.199 --> 00:41:22.280
I been discounting the rest of the
United States. Yeah, man, that

529
00:41:22.360 --> 00:41:25.360
must have been. That must have
been one of those things where I made

530
00:41:25.400 --> 00:41:30.199
all that those years a hard work
worth. Is this, Yeah, dude,

531
00:41:30.280 --> 00:41:31.480
this is a picture of the moment, and I have it on my

532
00:41:32.079 --> 00:41:38.960
show. People go see this moment. This has been such a fun fun

533
00:41:39.079 --> 00:41:43.599
check. Are you and Bob still
actively going to Area X then? Or

534
00:41:44.320 --> 00:41:47.880
we did not go last year because
I injured my knee on the job,

535
00:41:47.960 --> 00:41:52.119
Okay, okay, and so I
just my knee is just in bad shape.

536
00:41:52.159 --> 00:41:58.519
And and of course this year was
COVID, but the the operations are

537
00:41:58.559 --> 00:42:01.000
still going. And then we're we're
talking about if we come out of this

538
00:42:01.559 --> 00:42:07.159
COVID, probably going this coming year
because you know, we miss it.

539
00:42:07.199 --> 00:42:10.320
And I guess another way of saying
what I'm proud of is I haven't It

540
00:42:10.360 --> 00:42:16.679
hasn't killed me yet. So go
back and I see some snakes that were

541
00:42:17.280 --> 00:42:22.239
I don't even know why I would
go back to that because I hate They're

542
00:42:22.320 --> 00:42:24.679
everywhere, and there's all kinds of
different types. And just one other little

543
00:42:24.679 --> 00:42:29.199
story, but it was really funny. Is Yeah, We're sitting down and

544
00:42:29.280 --> 00:42:36.039
eating dinner and here comes a copperhead
out of nowhere, runs up Bob's leg,

545
00:42:36.840 --> 00:42:40.599
whoa over him, and then heads
for our tent. And Bob didn't

546
00:42:40.679 --> 00:42:45.280
spill a drop of his dinner,
but Brian Brown, who was there,

547
00:42:45.400 --> 00:42:47.360
dumped his dinner all over himself because
it was such a shocking event. I

548
00:42:47.360 --> 00:42:52.880
mean, it just came right at
him, so and then it went veered

549
00:42:52.920 --> 00:42:54.679
off and then headed out. It
was just like and there was plenty of

550
00:42:54.679 --> 00:42:58.360
other places for that snake to go. You didn't have to come towards us.

551
00:42:58.400 --> 00:43:01.280
But I remember, but here's Bob
got his dinner, didn't spill a

552
00:43:01.320 --> 00:43:05.760
bit, and I'm looking at it
making sure it doesn't go in our tent

553
00:43:05.840 --> 00:43:07.480
because that's my main concern is that, you know, we're just got to

554
00:43:07.480 --> 00:43:10.760
burn the tent down if it gets
in there. And so and it just

555
00:43:10.840 --> 00:43:15.039
keeps going all its way, and
I just thought, yeah, I knew

556
00:43:15.079 --> 00:43:17.800
I married a cool man, but
now I really know. There you go,

557
00:43:17.840 --> 00:43:22.719
Oh, that's so cool. That's
so cool man. Thank you so

558
00:43:22.840 --> 00:43:30.599
much for coming on, Kathy.
This has been just fantastic. What are

559
00:43:31.039 --> 00:43:37.280
I'm sure most people listening to this
have heard of you, but if people

560
00:43:37.320 --> 00:43:42.000
are new and wanting to keep up
with you. What are I would really

561
00:43:42.039 --> 00:43:45.239
recommend? Well this that is a
good lead on for let me check the

562
00:43:45.320 --> 00:43:50.880
date. I'm going to be on
a new television series, WHOA really roof

563
00:43:51.039 --> 00:43:55.119
is out There? The Proof Is
out There? January eighth, okay,

564
00:43:57.119 --> 00:44:01.599
and it's going to follow I feel
awful executory. I don't watch this show,

565
00:44:01.599 --> 00:44:05.079
but a lot of people do.
But it's the Mysteries of Oak Island

566
00:44:05.760 --> 00:44:12.039
something like that. Oh okay,
so it's immediately going to follow that program.

567
00:44:12.280 --> 00:44:15.760
So I believe it's January fifth,
and if I look at my my

568
00:44:15.800 --> 00:44:23.199
phone, but Cliff Barrickman is on
it as well, and it's called The

569
00:44:23.280 --> 00:44:29.000
Proof Is out There. Oh yeah, January fifth, ten pm Eastern Time.

570
00:44:29.440 --> 00:44:34.840
It's right after the Curse of Oak
Island. Oh okay, is let's

571
00:44:34.840 --> 00:44:38.360
see what channel. I don't know
what channel that is. I watched the

572
00:44:38.360 --> 00:44:44.840
Turble. That's History Channel. It's
History Channel, yeah totally yeah, yeah,

573
00:44:45.039 --> 00:44:50.679
sorry, History Channel. It's A
and E and A and E owns

574
00:44:50.719 --> 00:44:54.360
all of those channels. Oh okay, yeah, Church yeah. But anyways,

575
00:44:54.360 --> 00:45:02.000
the series is about us as investigators
looking at videos or things that people

576
00:45:02.119 --> 00:45:08.800
have filmed or taking pictures of,
and then appind are our specialties mind be

577
00:45:08.840 --> 00:45:15.679
an anthropology and a bigfooter to that
and then saying what we think maybe what's

578
00:45:15.719 --> 00:45:21.920
really going on there? And there
were definitely several that really impressed me.

579
00:45:22.199 --> 00:45:24.119
That. Wow, Yeah, one
I think is probably one of the most

580
00:45:24.199 --> 00:45:31.320
significant videos ever taken in anthropology in
the last fifty years. Really really amazing.

581
00:45:32.000 --> 00:45:37.320
Yeah, I think we'll definitely be
checking out. That sounds pretty cool.

582
00:45:37.760 --> 00:45:39.800
Yeah, it is. Otherwise than
that, you know, keep up

583
00:45:39.800 --> 00:45:45.880
with good Ape dot org and I'm
on Facebook and you're welcome to contact me

584
00:45:45.880 --> 00:45:51.280
anytime. Awesome, awesome, Thank
you so much for coming on. Thank

585
00:45:51.320 --> 00:45:53.719
you for having me. You're a
big for society. Art goal is to

586
00:45:53.800 --> 00:46:00.599
provide a platform for those that have
encountered Bigfoot to share their enco in a

587
00:46:00.719 --> 00:46:05.840
safe environment. But we need to
hear your story. If you've experienced something

588
00:46:05.880 --> 00:46:12.199
that you just can't explain, please
send me an email at bigfoot Soociety at

589
00:46:12.280 --> 00:46:15.480
gmail dot com. Then we can
start the conversation. And I know a

590
00:46:15.519 --> 00:46:22.000
lot of you have not shared your
encounter at all. It's been twenty years

591
00:46:22.199 --> 00:46:27.039
and it's time that you get this
off your chest and then you can get

592
00:46:27.079 --> 00:46:30.840
some well deserved for rest because I
know you haven't been sleeping. I understand

593
00:46:30.840 --> 00:46:35.119
what you're going through, and I
appreciate every one of you listening