Kathy Strain's Area X Bigfoot Encounters

0:00 Either you're listening to the Big FoST Society podcast and I'm Jeremiah Bron. Every week I talk to individuals who have experienced Sasquatch in some way or another, so you won't want to miss an episode. Make sure you're subscribed on the platform that you're listening to, and share this episode where the friend does not cost a thing, and it helps the show continuing to grow. If you'd like to hear Bigfoot Society episodes early in ad free, you can do so by becoming a Patreon supporter or a YouTube channel member. Links to those are in the show notes in Bigfoot Society. I've taken far too much of your time so far, so let's get on with the show. Thanks for coming back to the Bigfoot Society Podcast. I have the privilege of having Kathy's Strain with me tonight. Kathy, do you mind tell them a little bit about yourself to the listeners? Oh? Sure. I am a professional archaeologist.

1:00 I have a bachelor's and master's degree in anthropology and I'm currently the forest archaeologist and Tribal Relations program manager for the Stanislaus National Forest in central California. That is amazing, so out in California. Now what section of California is that in northern southern We're sort of in the middle. So if you do you know where you're semiting National forests? Oh yeah, I've done there, Yeah totally. We live right adjacent to it. So the National forest is basically adjacent to Yosemite and then over from there. Yeah, I barely have cell covered at my house. We are a very rural county. I think the whole county's only got like a couple maybe fifty thousand people in the entire county.

1:42 But yeah, we have. It's all wooded, We've got beautiful trees and scenery, and you know, it's just a gorgeous place to live and be. And of course it's Bigfoot territory because there's not many of us debug him. A group of us Upino had taken a Oh man, it's one of those little electric cars, and we had no idea what we were in for, and it was just like it was barely getting up the hills, right. But man, this is before I was into Bigfoot, So this is a few years back, really into it. And I remember we had stopped at an out look and it was just like pure sky, stars, all that. We get back in the car and we were starting to drive off, but I remember like looking out into the dark of the woods and I'm like, man, it just feels like there's something out here right now, and I couldn't put my finger on it. I was like, you could walk a minute out there and not be able to come back in.

2:49 It was. It's the craziest thing. It's so hard to explain until you experience it. Yeah, yeah, it's beautiful but remote, and it's you definitely have to get used to it. And then it is kind of funny when you know, you run into tourists and they think they're in the wilderness because their cell phone doesn't work, and you're just like closed to be in the wilderness. You know, you have a road, you are not in the wilderness. So it is it is a great privilege and been here a very long time and we're going to retire here. Can you explain a little bit more about what Being the Tribal Relations programs manager, So for the forest archaeology part, I'm in charge of every before we do a project, before we cut a tree, before we build a new campground, we have to survey it for the presence of archaeological site, so either historic or Native American.

3:37 And so I have a I have employees that help me do that, so it's not me personally doing it, because it would never get done if it was up to me. But then I so I'm in charge of all those sites, management of them. I the artifacts that are collected are part of our program, historic maps, photographs, that kind of thing, so that we're we're keying history for the future. So that's our main job is to try to preserve this stuff. And with tribal relations, my job is to work with the tribes that live here and call the Stataslaus National Forest their ancestral lands. Make sure that their needs are met, like if they need to go gather, or they have another need, or they want to comment on something that we're doing. And they have some very special sites that are out there that we also manage with them together. And so it's a great job in the sense of I've known most of these tribes for twenties plus years and so they're more like friends now. I really enjoy what I do, and I really enjoy helping tribes that they have a need. And I keep a list where all these plants are so in case somebody needs an easy way to get to Willow or an easy way to get to Braconfort or other gathering, just kind of that's what I do for them. My role is to help support them in their tribe and how they traditionally lived and continue as much of that as possible. When you started this was the being into Bigfoot before

5:11 or did it come after you got into that war? So I came an anthropologist because of Bigfoot. It's all So. I saw a documentary. It's not a documentary. I saw a film that I thought was a documentary at the time, but Legend of Boggie Creek. It had a huge influence on me, and so, you know both. It frightened me, but it was interesting that maybe there was something out there that we didn't know what it was, and science didn't know what it was, but people were seeing it. And my grandfather is from the Arkansas area and he used to tell me about this thing they called I remember now red River Monster or something to that effect, and it just drew my interest. I and then asked, I think I was in fifth grade, but my mind is, you know, older you get, the more of those young things you forget, but yeah, so I think it was around fifth grade. I asked my teacher, you know, what do I have to do to study Bigfoot? And she goes, I'm pretty certain you have to be an anthropologist. And that's all it took, you know. I was just I'm heading always always was my pathway. But to be also fair, my family traveled a lot. We never went to Disneyland or anything like that. When we went on vacation, we went on two weeks worth of driving through the States and staying in national parks and national forest and camping, and so that was already a big part of my life then. So it was a natural fit, you know.

6:42 And then I figured it out, when nobody's going to pay me to study big what am I going to do now? And then? But I always loved, you know, history and archaeology and all that stuff, so it was easy fit. And it was interesting that that's my my foray into bigfooting and kind of officially was with a tribe and what their traditional beliefs were when I was working on a different part of California, and that's where my passion for Native American viewpoints on Bigfoot came from. Is that that influence of Bigfoot's really important to us the tribe. And here's some interesting things that maybe you don't know. And the local tribe here has tons of stories about what Bigfoot is to them, and his name is jay Alli here in Tuilam County.

7:33 Almost every tribe in the United States, Alaska, Canada have a traditional Bigfoot story and have traditional names. And I actually the author of a book that is a collection of those stories. And there's a neat little appendix that has the traditional word for Bigfoot for that tribe and then what it means, what's the translation of it? What the book is called giants, cannibals, and monsters. Correct, yes, Bigfoot native culture. Yeah. Do you find that most tribes view Bigfoot then as like protector or that's why my title of my book is that way is that some is just a giant, just a brother, not human, and a lot of stories He's a camp And they're the most prevalent at least here basically let's say West Coast kind of thing, although there's there there's others and other places in America, but it's very prevalent in California, Oregon, Washington and going into British Columbia. It's the most common story you'll find. Yeah, okay, do you find that these stories will be spread across all the tribes even the ones out in the eastern coasts or can I remember? These stories are hundreds of years old and so internet, no phones. The book is broken up into what we call cultural areas.

8:56 As California is its own cultural area and their stories are very similar. But Pacific Northwest that's a cultural area and their stories are very similar and not really like the ones in California. And so then you have like the South have very similar stories, but they're nothing like you know, they may have some commonalities, but most of the time they're they're specific for their regions. For example, eagle is a very common character in a story because people but just because they all have egle means they all saw an eagle and felt that it was regal and and and part of that. But and they'll incorporate them into the stories. But then that's generally, you know, it's not because they heard from another tribe that eagle is important. They on their own that's part of their culture that they believe for thousands and thousands of years. Do you remember let's let's go back to you know, you're going through all your schooling, You're getting into the place where you want to be. You're like, I'm getting closer. I'm getting closer to where I've spent all this time through schooling to get to this place. Do you remember the first time where it's you had that You're like, oh, I am in position to get this amazing Bigfoot information and I see this amazing Bigfoot evidence or like I made it, I'm you working with. I was born and raised in Portville,

10:28 California, Okay, and that is the Sequoia National Force, and that's where I started my career. And I worked a lot with the Chiley River Indian Reservation and they're that tribe which have the painted rocks there that's known as the Harryman Pictograss. Oh yeah, the cover of the book. And that's where my original foray into sitting with the elders and them conveying to me what their traditional belief in Bigfoot was. That's when I first kind of went this is cool and I can talk to me about this. But night after I had left that position, I then was promoted to a job and the same with the for service, but it was based out of Las Vegas, Nevada, and so you don't need a whole lot of Bigfoot stories or tribes bigfoot there, and so I kind of yeah, waying through that, and it was really when I came to this National Forest, and I believe I came in nineteen ninety eight. And I also have to explain computers. I know to many people are everywhere. You biquitus, you got one on your phone, you got them everywhere. Well, when I started, computers were that foreign thing that cost a lot of money, and so you had one and you all shared it. So the first time I really got a computer that was really just dedicated to my use was when I came to this Stanislaus National Forest.

11:56 And when then Internet became more prevalent, because back in the days, we used to have these little weird I don't even know what they're called anymore, but they were like maybe a chat thing and you had threads and stuff and it was, you know, yeah, what's it called, like forums or whatever. Yeah, I know what you're talking about. It escapes me right now yet. And I got here and one night I had some time and nobody was around, and I hadn't ready to go home yet, and I brought up the Internet and I typed in Bigfoot, and I was just blown away that there was information on the Internet. And one of the first things or groups I found was the BFRO of course, so that was that was my real foray of getting getting to know that there were other people like me, because I thought I was a weirdo, that I'm the only person on earth who believes in Bigfoot, and then here it is, I find this whole entire group with tons of people in it, and I was just like that. That, I think is the day I kind of went, oh, my gosh, you know, I'm not alone, and I can interact with these people and I can find out more data. But plus also approach it from a scientific yes, because you know, I had known that there were you know, people out there. We see them on the news and stuff, and they just sounded like they were, you know, drunk and they saw you know, a bear and they could do the different, you know. And so here was this opportunity to meet other scientists because Krantz was in that group and Meldrum and oh quite, I mean a lot of

13:31 people that just lifelong friends for me, we're in that group. And so that was that was the day I think I said, I'm where I'm supposed to be. I'm staying put here and this is what I'm gonna do. Wait, did you just did you say you had so you had dealings with you? Said Grover Krantz. Yeah, really yes. Oh man, See that just blows my mind because I'm still very, very new to all this, and when I think of guys like that, it's you know, they were back then we didn't have access to them. But to be able to talk to someone like you who was almost in that like that period of time where you had access to some of those you know, greats of the field, that's awesome. Yeah. John Green was in that grow Yeah, yeah, Lauren Coleman. I think Peter Burn wasn't, but I Peter Burn, I know, from a different avenue. Yeah. I mean I've i haven't talked to literally everybody, but I mean I've talked to a lot of people, mostly because they're always curious of you know, how does it how does it work that you're a professional hy work for the government and yeah, yeah, I'm a bigfootter too, how does that work? Kind of thing?

14:48 And so it was just a good advice on you know, just just to always take it from a scientific approach and don't be afraid to say, hey, I don't I don't think what you're looking at is evidence. I don't think I think you're miss interpreting this because of X y Z. Helpful words that that are have lasted a lifetime for me. So his name is Bob right, yes, yeah, and he's also very involved with in foot as well. Uh not correct yea, which that I think is awesome. Well, I met him at a bigfoot conference, did you Yes, it works, it works. It was my first time I had finally decided I was going to speak at a conference, and that was in two thousand and three and it was the International Bigfoots of Posium. It was it was a huge deal. Jane Goodall was slated to be there, which couldn't and she's I believe she's a film for us to watch, and you had on green spoke, gave a keynote, Dimitri I was there and there was I mean, it was a huge deal and so I gave a paper there and my first time that I was publish. It was a fantastic conference. It truly truly was. In fact, I don't think I've ever been to one that was equally as good set for maybe the Yakama round Up for Bob Gimlin. That was that sounds awesome? Yeah, man, So was that conference up in

16:19 Northwest then? Or Willow Creek? Oh? Okay? Cool? Oh? I mean the first one where both of them are the first one? Oh no, The first one was in Willow Creek, the International Bigfoot Symposium, because that was when we were we went down to the film site of the Patterson Gimlin film. Gimblin was there and and that's the first time I met James Bobo yep, met him there. It was killed me. But that's another story. But Yakama round Up was in Yakama, Washington, Okay. Yeah, Bob Gimlin lives her husband there. Just random bigfoot I came up to here. No, no, no, he didn't. He only briefly talked to me really later that we got together. But he he was a fan of mine from I handled all of basically northern California Bigfoot sightings for the BFROL. He was a huge fan of going to the BFRO and looking at the new reports, and I really did a lot of work, and so he knew my name, and so that's okay, the first time I ever met him. But this first time I met a lot of people that are now very differends of mine, you know, Tommy Yamarone, and there's just a lot of people there. So yeah, awesome, thank you for sharing that. I just asked because both of your highly respected in the community.

17:44 So I wanted to get that little tib that there. So it's just because of my brain. But Bob is all the beauty. So that's that's about living in the Yosemite area. Have you had any interesting things happen in this area. I've had several bit. I do have sightings, but they're not from California, which I mean you have to go all the way across the United States and go siding. Yeah, around here, I've seen you know, we've seen footprints, and we have a place that we used to bigfoot all the time that would routinely we would call blast and we'd get a response, and you know, we see broken trees, you know. Yeah, around here it's and there are quite a bit of sightings and a lot of them are crossing the road kind of situations and they, you know, are the viewers out of the poor driver. But the sighting sightings that I had were actually in Oklahoma because we're members of another groups, the American Wooded Conservancy, and we have spent quite a bit of time there, and so my first sighting. So think about me. I believe in bigfoots since I was I don't know how the fifth grader or however old I was with myself.

19:03 Okay, let's say seven, you know, until I'm not going to reveal my age. But many many many years and hair dye boxes to cover the gray years later, I don't have a sighting sighting until twenty twelve. Wow. You know, that's a long time to to still keep the faith and keep believing, you know. But the footprints and other things I had seen were very convincing, and of course being yelled at, you know, all the way across a valley is very convincing too. But so you are referring to the new ac area X in southeast Oklahoma? Is that right? That area? Wacht? Yeah, watch mountains, but I call them ocheetahs because that's what the local n Okay, that's cool, they pronounce, that's what they do. But yeah, and we were. I've known members of the group for years and years and years, Alton Higgins, Daryl Collier. I mean, I've known them for a very long time. And I was at a conference there in Texas and they came up to me and Bob and said, you know, we've got this area that is just amazing and all this stuff is happening and blah blah blah. Would you guys be interested in coming out and seeing what you think and you know what's going on. And my mom had been in a billy my mom, dad, brother in law, and sister. I'd been in a bad car accident in November of twenty eleven,

20:33 and I was like, oh, you know, I don't know that this is something I can pull off. And my mom finally got out of the hospital. She was in the hospital from November until April, and just the stress of all of that. I talked to Bob and I said, you know, we need to just go somewhere do something crazy. It's just so we can just release this stress that we've been under, you know, for all these months. And we said, why don't we go ahead and drive out there, stop buying see Bob's family and in Dallas, Texas. You know, we're only going to spend a week there. It's a week we don't like it. We'll just leave early. And so that's what we decided to do. We made a little vacation of it. We kind of went to different site seeing you know, we went by Grand Canyon and poor Bob hasn't recovered from that. So I'm a very clumsy person and he swore I was just gonna fallen. Oh boy, he was pretty nervous. He was happy the second we got out of there. So we arrived on a Sunday and there was people already there, and you know, there's four cabins there that are we have them, you know, the North cabin, in the East cabin. You know, you have to orient take yourself because North in Oklahoma is not the same as northern California. I tell you, this is a year different. And so so nothing happened on Sunday was really just boring and getting to know everybody and having a good time. And then Monday

22:07 rolled around and basically my life changed. That That was the most profound emotional day. You know, besides I guess your kids being bored, I guess I should, right, Yeah, But I don't remember quite what time it was, but let's say it's like mid afternoon. There was five of us, their totals. Basically, the four of them were running around like they're being toyed with. So when when a rock would hit a tin roof, because all the all the cabins have ten roofs, the guys would run over there to check it out. And then the second they got over there, then a rock would hit another roof and they'd run over there. So this is what they've been doing, you know, they're just playing around and I'm like, I'm not doing that. It's just way too warm, and I just said, I'm just going to stay here. And there's a lot come back, and we're sitting around. Most of the fires that they have are of course, in a fire ring outside, and we're sitting around this empty campfire. No fire was gone because it wasn't you know, it wasn't cold.

23:19 And I'm looking down and we're all sitting in camp chairs and I'm looking down this area. We call it the bottleneck because it's literally I don't know if you've been to Oklahoma, but essentially the whole place is trying to kill you at any time it's got. You know, you try to walk up the hill, you know you're hitting rocks, there's down trees. There's this stuff called greenbrier, which is a thorny, kind of vinish looking plant. The grab I've lost my shoes more times than i'd like to count there, you know where it untied your shoelaces and pulls your shoe off. There's snakes everywhere. Oh really, that's not cool, not pleasant. No, And then it include the spiders that are like this big that I walked through.

24:08 Their spider was more than a few times. So we're sitting there and I'm looking down this area. It's called the bottleneck, and the bottleneck is essentially the clearest, easiest walking spot on that it is private property on this property. And then we called the bottleneck because it's the only place if you're really gonna catch anything, that's where you're going to get it, because everywhere else it's so thick with brush and whatever you're not going to get really clear glances. We're sitting there and one of the gentlemen that we were with, Mark goes Man, I hear something walking and we were like okay, and we're listening and we were wondering if it was our resident fox that comes by and looks for scraps and stuff. And then all of a sudden, I see a big one and a little one come into my frame of view, and they're doing some kind of weird thing like one. It was clear the big one wanted the little one to come with it, and the little one was intent on coming closer to us no matter what I mean, that's what it looked like, is no, no, We're going to go here, and the other ones going no, no, no, And I think admitted where it was to try to get behind this shed. And I don't know if you noticed, but I'm there's not been a whole lot of women down there, and my voice is certain what I've seen. No. Yeah. And so I always had the impression that the little one thought I was a little one because of my Yeah, I don't do it. I don't. It's just a speculation on my part. And so I bolt up, I jump

25:45 up out of my chair and I point at them and I go, there they are, and I ran at them because I'm going to catch them. Yeah, get them, yeah, And they turned around and bolted up this hillside like they were on a bungee. Hear that over and over. Yeah, I've never seen anything like it. And it was interesting because then there was no sound, so they weren't being quiet coming because I think they thought we were over at the other cabin, you know, investigating the rock crows, and I think they thought they had clear to come closer, and we caught them anyway, So they just go whoosh right up that hillside like it was nothing. And so y'all ran over there, and the five people there, all four people saw the same thing. One person didn't see anything because he just didn't have the view of it. And had I not said anything to anybody or not gotten up and yelled and ran towards him. There was actually a camera that we had set there, and I'm the one who triggered it because I'm the one who ran past it. And so if they had just come just a little bit closer, we would have had him on the film. Oh no, man, Yeah, but yeah, and so and then from there it was just crazy and it's all craziness broke loose where we had so many things happened. It was just but the day we drove out of there, we stopped at the where the road hits another road where we

27:17 turned to go back to civilization, and we stopped there with our friend Brian Brown, and we got out of the car and we just looked dazed at each other, just like, you know, we felt like we had just been through put through Vietnam. You know, that's how times because it was non stop, it never stops, you know. It was constant rock throws, constant something weird happening, constant of all these things, and you just never got a break. And and so we actually talked about it all the way home, and I think we spent six months constantly talking about it about we can't believe this actually happened, you know. And the funny thing about it is that they looked just like Patty from the Patterson Gimmlin film. It's exactly what they like exactly really, I mean, of course they would, but like that's just that, for some reason blows my mind. That's awesome.

28:08 And then later in that week, Bob saw another one that was reddish in color, and he said it looked just like an Irish center. It was just really pretty. Really yeah, I wish I'd seen that one neat to see. But you know, if you read we have on the website. If you people want to visit it with dot org, there is a you can go to the Watchita Project monolith. You can read all the stuff that's happened because we outline things that have been seeing, things that have occurred. And it really is we we really try to run as scientific operation.

28:51 That that's we note everything. We take notes of everything that happens, We collect evidence all that stuff that goes with that. So but you can read up on it and if you're interested in I personally checked it out before. And so these are like these are heavy duty, like almost scientific journal type papers like yeah, I mean that which is awesome, like hats off to I mean the guys involved, guys and guys involved with this, they're they like I think they're the most some of the most serious that I mean, they are like man, they are prepared and ready for action and no messing around in this business when we're there. You know, nobody is allowed to drink alcohol. Nobody. Uh oh okay, that's good. Very careful, very careful about what we do when we have you know, we have protocols, we have all these things that you have to have to know in order to even go, because we don't just let anybody go. You have to be a trusted person, which is very good. We don't want somebody shooting a human because they they're training or anything like that. That's the worst thing that can happen, is so. Anyway, I had another sighting the year after that, and then another one a year after that, and so it's been been But then there's been times when we've been there where I absolutely nothing has happened and you're just about to die from bording and the heat and the bugs and everything. It's it's hidden miss when it's going to happen, because of course it's you know, all sightings are random, of course. Yeah.

30:22 Yeah, And this was also featured in one of the episodes of Small Town Monsters On the Trail Bigfoot. Correct, yes, yeah, oh man. I remember the first time I watched that because I had looked into Area X before and then when I realized, like one of the episodes of On the Trail Bigfoot was going to at the area, I was like, this is amazing, man, the footage and that is so good, like it really makes you feel like you're there. Yeah, it was what we scared the poor guy, but very little intense, but he was a nice person and he cracked me up. They showed up. I think with tea all they had to be was snowballs jerky and are you talking about yeah? Yeah, because nobody ever believes us when we say it's it's you're really super remote and go as a corster's employee. We have government trucks, you know, and and they're all four wheel drive, and they mostly all have eye clears, and we have some really horrible, horrible roads and I've still gone down them. And believe me, that rode into X is horrible. Yeah.

31:38 I was going to bring that up. Yeah, Or there were one time we was so bad, We're tilted like this and I reached up. I'm we're in the car driving and this this is what we're driving on and I and there's Bobo above me now because we're so tilted, and I'm going, oh, this is awful. And then there's one spot that we used to go that there that it was just because the brain had just washed away all the soil. And I'm just going and I remember last time we call our truck Bessie. I'm talking to her. We're just interested in making it out and I'm going we'll never come back. We'll never come back to get us out of her face. Let us live nice. We try to go out, come in and out of this group as as much as possible. Case somebody encounters how smart, yeah we were by ourselves, then no no one left behind. That might be another scenario entirely if you're the only one in there. I mean, I'm not to say you know how the wood apes act, but I mean you never know, right like, yeah, you never do. And there have been people who have been in there weeks at a time by themselves. Oh really, yeah, I mean people are The experience in twenty twelve was so intense. Bob and I made the decision to go back in twenty thirteen, but he would go for three weeks by himself in it, and you know, there was other people there, but without me. And then when he came back, I went for three weeks and

33:14 that was you know, that's a lot to give, you know, to do that. It was wonderful experience for me. I mean it was a little lonely. I remember the first week I was there, and it's really hard when your spouse is and that's definitely the longest we've ever spent away from each other. And I remember They're leaving and I'm waiting for my next team to come, and it was all I could do not to go. No, God, please take me out of here. I got to go. We had we had that. The second week was was no. The first week was just god awful. I mean it was just constant stuff raining down on us and we just couldn't get any sleep at all. And that was pretty much an all girl group. But we had Brian around there with us, and we had set up a surveillance system around the cabin to see if we could catch them moving, and it ended up that we could even see that eye on ourselves because it was, you know, it was I think it was a good quality, but it was clearly putting off, you know, a light. It was unnatural for the area, and so we didn't capture anything. But we used to call that our bigfoot, our shield.

34:28 Because we turned it on, nothing's going to happen because they animals can see it, and so they were coming anywhere near it. And that's that's the only time we've got any rest. Wow. Question for you, what was there a situation where so you have all this time where you're working with the tribes and you've got all these passed down accounts in your head, and so you've built this this view in your head of what Bigfoot looks like. Then you get out to area acts and you actually see it. What how what does that do to your mind? Is there like a big shift like that has to happen. Yeah, I had in my mind that they look like Patty. I mean, tribes would always tell me, yeah, that's what they look like, you know they I fully support that being a real animal on that film, there's awesome that. There'd be no doubt of that, and so that's what I always pictured. But she's not really fast in that film. You notice she doesn't walk at lightning speed. So the only thing that really traumatized me, I guess was the speed of them going up that hill that that I remember. It turned around to Bob and I just said, well, we might as well go home because we can't win this.

35:52 And he like, because any time one of those things wanted to pick me up and carry me off, what are you going to do about it? You know? I didn't. They looked like they were strong, they were very Muscleuley and in two thousand and fourteen, I saw the one that's called oh gray and monstrous, I mean monstros where I saw him my stakeboat, where my sighting was, and I sent them over to where I had seen him so that we could compare and hide. And here's here's that thing. Here's Bob. Really he's six foot tall. Whoa. It was huge, one of the largest things I've ever seen in my life. And I would have no doubt whatsoever that if he wanted to, he could even push the cabins down. I mean, it wouldn't surprise me at all that he was so large, and so I wasn't prepared for that. I wasn't prepared for that size difference, you know, kind of thing, although it would make sense that, you know, males would grow taller, bigger than a female that I was. I always made fun of those people who called him eight footers or I to take front of the ones that used to there's sightings where the bigfoot kept up with the car driving, you know, ran along.

37:05 Yeah sure right, yeah, see now I'm going oops, you know, I guess they're kind of that fast. And so there's there's those kinds of things that I the tribes that always told me, you know, don't go outside if you hear whistling because the bigfoot's trying to lure you out. We've heard whistling now. Tribes have always said that they bang on trees with sticks, you know, and so when you hear it, that doesn't surprise me. It wasn't, It wasn't. Those kinds of things are the things that basically I hadn't really been told, I guess is the best things that no tribe had ever told me that they could get that large so caught me off guard, or that there was fast, so that is is crazy. So you mentioned that you saw some of I would imagine they're in a group there of some sort, and you saw some of the males. Are they extremely like wide across to as well? Or I couldn't say what I saw.

38:09 I think and I cannot swear to it that the first two I saw were a young female who was stuck babysitting her bratty little brother. That was just my initial kind of because how I why I've always thought that is when they bolted, she went up first and did not wait for him at all. And so as I would think, I've seen enough primate behavior, A mother is going to try to save her child first, right, that's chimpanzee you. So that's what my why I was I thought that way is that she went you're on your own, sucker, and just went whoop. And she was equally as fast. But you know what I mean, she was definitely in safety before he got there. But so the only male I've seen, I saw him by profile, so I didn't get to see him across.

39:08 I saw him this direction, and he certainly seemed like he was wide certainly interesting, very interesting. I've actually got a question that from Greg and the patreon who has it's kind of is in this Area X area. His question is, it must have been amazing to work with small town monsters and Area X. What's been your favorite or coolest moment while squatching the proudest of I guess it's related to that. But Peter Burns, if you know him, he's one of the four original persons. We were together at it's called beach Foot and it's an organ yeah, and he picked up his chair it came over and started talking to me. Wanted to hear about my sighting, and he asked me tons of question We knew each other for a while, but not you know, never had a ruled in depth conversation. And Peter is very much so of a firm believer, very stout firm believer the Bigfoot can only be in the Pacific Northwest. I mean really, okay, okay, why I told him the story. And then so then right after that we get interviewed for podcast Laura Krantz had done it, yep, wild Thing, wild Thing, and he's interviewing myself, Bob and then Peter Burn and he

40:39 admitted he goes, based on Kathy's sighting, I'm now going to have to admit that there's bigfoot in other places, wow, North America. And I said, I'm going to give her. I'm going to give her Oklahoma. And so that's what I'll say from now on. And I just went, well, and I just and I remember I mentioned that to doctor Meldrum and he went, holy cow, because you you don't know what that is? And I was like, yeah, I do. I mean, so, I think that's what I'm more proud of is that he took that I'm an anthropologist and what was what I saw and took it seriously that Okay, maybe I been discounting the rest of the United States. Yeah, man, that must have been. That must have been one of those things where I made all that those years a hard work worth. Is this, Yeah, dude, this is a picture of the moment, and I have it on my show. People go see this moment. This has been such a fun fun check. Are you and Bob still actively going to Area X then? Or we did not go last year because I injured my knee on the job, Okay, okay, and so I just my knee is just in bad shape.

41:52 And and of course this year was COVID, but the the operations are still going. And then we're we're talking about if we come out of this COVID, probably going this coming year because you know, we miss it. And I guess another way of saying what I'm proud of is I haven't It hasn't killed me yet. So go back and I see some snakes that were I don't even know why I would go back to that because I hate They're everywhere, and there's all kinds of different types. And just one other little story, but it was really funny. Is Yeah, We're sitting down and eating dinner and here comes a copperhead out of nowhere, runs up Bob's leg, whoa over him, and then heads for our tent. And Bob didn't spill a drop of his dinner, but Brian Brown, who was there, dumped his dinner all over himself because it was such a shocking event. I mean, it just came right at him, so and then it went veered off and then headed out. It was just like and there was plenty of other places for that snake to go. You didn't have to come towards us.

42:58 But I remember, but here's Bob got his dinner, didn't spill a bit, and I'm looking at it making sure it doesn't go in our tent because that's my main concern is that, you know, we're just got to burn the tent down if it gets in there. And so and it just keeps going all its way, and I just thought, yeah, I knew I married a cool man, but now I really know. There you go, Oh, that's so cool. That's so cool man. Thank you so much for coming on, Kathy. This has been just fantastic. What are I'm sure most people listening to this have heard of you, but if people are new and wanting to keep up with you. What are I would really recommend? Well this that is a good lead on for let me check the date. I'm going to be on a new television series, WHOA really roof is out There? The Proof Is out There? January eighth, okay, and it's going to follow I feel awful executory. I don't watch this show, but a lot of people do. But it's the Mysteries of Oak Island something like that. Oh okay, so it's immediately going to follow that program.

44:12 So I believe it's January fifth, and if I look at my my phone, but Cliff Barrickman is on it as well, and it's called The Proof Is out There. Oh yeah, January fifth, ten pm Eastern Time. It's right after the Curse of Oak Island. Oh okay, is let's see what channel. I don't know what channel that is. I watched the Turble. That's History Channel. It's History Channel, yeah totally yeah, yeah, sorry, History Channel. It's A and E and A and E owns all of those channels. Oh okay, yeah, Church yeah. But anyways, the series is about us as investigators looking at videos or things that people have filmed or taking pictures of, and then appind are our specialties mind be an anthropology and a bigfooter to that and then saying what we think maybe what's really going on there? And there were definitely several that really impressed me.

45:22 That. Wow, Yeah, one I think is probably one of the most significant videos ever taken in anthropology in the last fifty years. Really really amazing. Yeah, I think we'll definitely be checking out. That sounds pretty cool. Yeah, it is. Otherwise than that, you know, keep up with good Ape dot org and I'm on Facebook and you're welcome to contact me anytime. Awesome, awesome, Thank you so much for coming on. Thank you for having me. You're a big for society. Art goal is to provide a platform for those that have encountered Bigfoot to share their enco in a safe environment. But we need to hear your story. If you've experienced something that you just can't explain, please send me an email at bigfoot Soociety at gmail dot com. Then we can start the conversation. And I know a lot of you have not shared your encounter at all. It's been twenty years and it's time that you get this off your chest and then you can get some well deserved for rest because I know you haven't been sleeping. I understand what you're going through, and I appreciate every one of you listening