Rocky Mountain Bigfoot! | Colorado

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0:40 You've got the privilege of talking to Jim Myers from the Sasquatch Outpost in Bailey, Colorado. Today. How's it going today? Jim going great? Thanks for letting me be on your show. Awesome. I am excited to have you on the show. You're one of did Jim. I'll tell you at my listeners request a good handful of names all the time. Names come up, and yours is one of them that a lot of listeners have been like, you gotta get Gym on the show. So thankfully we're able to get that to work out. And yeah, I just love what you guys are doing out there. But when we get someone on the show where you know, you've got a lot of stuff going on, I always like to start at the beginning, which is what drew you into this field of Bigfoot.

1:32 To begin with, well, I have to go way back. I'm sixty two now, So when I was twelve, the movie The Legend of Boggie Creek came out in theaters in nineteen seventy two. Actually I was ten, and I remember going to watch that movie and it was rated G at the time and scared me. I was, I mean, for for being the movie that it was, and it's it's a decent movie. It's certainly dated today, but at that time that movie they used mostly local people who had had the encounters. That wasn't professional actors. So you know, it could have could have turned out really bad, but it didn't. But that movie scared me to death. But it also got me wondering whether something like this exists.

2:38 And they never called it Bigfoot, they called it the Foul Monster. Being in foul Arkansas. But so that got me thinking, even as a kid, about this idea or this phenomenon. And then over the years, I spent a lot of years overseas. I lived overseas the about thirty eight years and in a lot of different places. And this was before internet and before cell phones and everything, so you know, doing research on anything back then was whatever your school library happened to have, and mine didn't have very much on Bigfoot. And so really it was when we moved back to the States in two thousand and nine that I really started to pursue researching Sasquatch.

3:37 And then in twenty twelve I met my first eyewitness. It was someone here in Bailey, a local business owner, manager of a lodge, who I took the coffee and she told me the story of seeing Sasquatch. It was in May. This was I talked to her probably and late summers, maybe July or August, and she had seen it in May and it was daytime. It was her and her best friend. They both saw it, so double person's daytime fighting, the chance of mistaken identities virtually nil.

4:22 And that's when I kind of took me over the edge to say, okay, so Sasquatch is truly real, because I can't doubt this woman. She has no reason to lie to me, she has every reason not to tell me this story. And there was still a stigma at that time about you know, talking about this topic and people making fun of you, et cetera. So that's really what set me off. After that, I started doing research seriously on my own side, and the rest is history. Now we've got our museum and our gift shop and working on an escape room and so, yeah, life has changed dramatically since twenty twelve.

5:12 That is that is very interesting. Let's take a few minutes just to make sure that we talk about the Sasquatch out post. I'm really interested about how that came about and what can people expect to find when they visit that location in Bailey. Well, originally we had in mind to build a grocery store mercantile, and we did. But so the building that we occupy was built in eighteen seventy eight, so it's not a new building. It's certainly been around. It suffered over the years. It took us about nine months to renovate it and rebuild it to where we could even get open and when this was for most of its life, this was the only grocery store in the front Range mountains of the Rockies, so they could support a staff of six or seven people, and everyone came here and bought the groceries, and they were famous for their meat that they sold. But over you know, probably twenty years ago or so, in the town of Conifer, which is between us and Denver, they built a safe way and

6:43 they built the King Supers, and so people didn't really need this little grocery store. We didn't realize that we'd never run a grocery store. We'd never even been in retail, to be honest. So we started it off and quickly realized that we were the only ones eating the groceries because everyone else did the grocery shopping elsewhere, and they would come to us if they needed one thing, or while we need this one item for dinner that we forgot. But if you're going to run a grocery store, you have to have people actually buying their groceries with you. So we knew we had to make a change that the grocery store wasn't going to work well. At the same time, it was around that time that I met this gal I just mentioned, and the show Finding Bigfoot came to Daily to do an episode. They're one Colorado episode was filmed here in Bailey, and I was at that town hall meeting and there was maybe one hundred people that came to that, And so anyway, we had already kind of started leaning towards doing something on the big foot side. We didn't know anybody who had ever done anything like this. We didn't talk to any other one exception I. The one museum I did speak to

8:13 was Expedition Bigfoot in cherry Lock, Georgia, Mountains of North Georgia. Dave Bukara, who's become a really good friend since then, and Dave was incredibly valuable to me. Dave really got me the tools I needed to actually build what we now have today. But we had to make a decision which we're going to stay with groceries or go with Bigfoot. We obviously went with Bigfoot and started small, and and we realized that people came out of the woodwork, people who had had an encounter or were curious about Bigfoot were coming in talking to us, and so we started off just as a gift shop, basically selling Bigfoot souvenirs and trying to answer people's questions. I was doing my own research at the time as well, so I was learning things as we were going. But I built the Sasquatch Encounter Discovery Museum as a way to try to answer all these questions that people kept asking me every day, the same questions, and I thought, why don't we build an educational exhibit that can try and answer these questions, and then we can still talk to people, but they can get the basic questions answered by going through this museum.

9:47 So we built that in two thousand and sixteen in a storage room in the back of our store. Then in eighteen we took over another storage room, and twenty we took over another storage room, so we took over all the room we had on the ground floor to build what is now there, and so since twenty sixteen, so when people come, obviously we have a very a good gift shop with things that I mean, anything that you can imagine with Sasquatch as a theme, we've got it.

10:27 And we designed a lot of our merchandise ourselves. But the interest in Bigfoot has so dramatically changed over the years that there's hundreds of vendors out there who create their own Bigfoot things that they contact us constantly asking if we'll sell this for by merchandise, but in the museum since twenty sixteen, and to be honest, I've lost count, but we've had somewhere in the realm of one hundred some people go through our museum, coming from all over the US, all over the world actually now. And so you know, the what people will find is a is a gift shop. To'll find a very fascinating, if I say so myself. It's a fascinating educational exhibit and a lot of people have gone through it as skeptics and came out believers. And and then we have another company called rabbit Hole Adventures that I use to take people out into the woods hiking, camping, horseback camping every summer.

11:44 So all that combined is kind of what we do now as our living. That's fascinating. I love how you said that there's even some skeptics that have come out of their actually believing, which is is very cool, very cool to hear that. I love hearing that from you know, you hear that from exhibition, Bigfoot Museum, Cliff Museum, all the all the other pieces as well, but it is it's so cool to hear that all the time, and I think that is a great thing. I mean, that's that's one of the reasons that that you guys are there, but also probably to you know, I would guess it's a great place for people to share what they've experienced in a location where they don't have to be afraid of people making fun of them, right, and people.

12:45 You know, ten years ago, people were very hesitant to tell a story, and they would wait till there was no one else in the store before they would tell their story. And now people just come up to the counter and ask me questions and whether I'm telling a story or they're telling me their story, anyone else in the store comes over to listen. And this happens regularly, and so yeah, the stigma I think is kind of not completely gone, but rapidly disappearing because there's so many bigs of shows on TV, podcasts, you know, the so I think people are realizing, Okay, this is mainstream now.

13:29 This is really not a fringe group of people. I mean, if you took all of the Bigfoot seminars and conferences in this country alone every year I'm sure the number would be in the hundreds of thousands of people who attend them, and so it's a significant community of people. Oh yeah, I mean it's it's not a thing where it can just be swept under the rug anymore. There's too many people out there that are like to investigate and you know, just have a good time investigating that.

14:10 I'm one of those guys. I'll call up a law enforcement office and be like, hey, you guys, ever gotten anything weird. Sometimes you talk to two people at the office where they've actually had sightings and you can talk to them and sometimes, you know, you get laughed at it. It doesn't matter, you know, it does not matter. But you know, yours is an interesting story because it is the eyewitness account of this individual that pushed you over the edge. After that happened, did you find yourself then actually going out at any time into the woods and seeing Okay, I got to get out there myself and really see what's going on.

14:51 Almost almost immediately. And I've started off as a blank slate, I mean one I didn't know anything too. I, like many people, I had some of my own thoughts about what Sasquatch is. How I behave. Most of that has been proven wrong over the years, but I determined that I was not going to I this is maybe a mistake to admit this, but early on I did not read very much about sasquatch written by other researchers because I wanted to get out in the woods and try myself to see what happened, and followed the evidence that came to me.

15:45 Big for society, who will be right back after these messages. The wherever it might lead without a pre kind of a predesigned direction, because you know, there's there's a lot of directions that people have gone in their theories about Sasquatch, the two main ones being the the Great Ape group and the Wu or paranormal group, I would say, and intimate variations within those of aliens, and you know, you name it, netheline from the Bible, you name it, people have some theory about it. And and the great thing is we're all amateurs. Some people may think they're experts, but they're not, because we're all amateurs. We're doing this trying to figure out what sasquatch is, how they behave, how they interact with us. And so I started off almost immediately getting out of them. Was that spent a great deal of time in the woods. I still do,

17:15 but even more in those early days and started you know, you just start building kind of a journal of ideas about based on the experiences and the experiments that you're doing, about how they are and how they react and how they interact with us. And so we've certainly gone a certain direction in our research that's that's not the same as other researchers, which is fine. I'm of the opinion that whatever you're learning, great, share it, you know, talk about it. But there's no reason to go and the mean other researchers who may disagree with your conclusions, because there's a room for everyone. And I just see too much, too much of this ugly in fighting going on in public conferences that I really personally don't enjoy and don't appreciate.

18:26 So I just choose not to engage in that. Yeah, I've gotten to the point where I will publicly say that, yeah, it is. It is ridiculous how either side. Really can treat the opposite side, and it pretty much it needs to stop on both sides. It's become just like our politics. Oh yeah, totally, that's what the big world has become totally. But I think it is. It is a it can it can definitely be be saved. It's not a thing where it's too far gone. There is still hope, definitely. But you know, when you found yourself going out into these areas, do you feel like you were fortunate enough to have any interactions of any kind or or anything when you're out there?

19:15 Many more than I can count anymore. And the first, the first visual had was at a very popular tourist area about thirteen miles fourteen miles from this where I'm at now. I'm at the outpost right now, but it's a place called Wellington Lake, and it's a it's a man made lake, beautiful setting and right on the edge of what we know is Lost Creek Wilderness. So you know, miles and miles and miles of nothing behind the lake in that direction. But we've had over the years many many reports of visual sightings, of vocalizations of all kinds of things from that campsite, and so we had gone there.

20:16 This is early on probably twenty thirteen or fourteen, and we were camped because it's a hot spot and I wanted to see what happened. And so other than a bear coming into our campsite that night, we didn't really have anything happened that I remember. So I got up early to go fishing and fly fishermen, so I was the only one of somebody else was out of their tent. I was about six six am, so I was fly fishing by myself, and because it's quiet, and I love to look around when i'm fishing, so I was doing that and I had just cast, made a cast, and I was looking around. I looked up above me, about probably two hundred yards above me, on the side of the mountain was a big crop and there was something standing up there looking down. I didn't get a sense that was looking at me, but I was looking down from up there. It was enormously tall, all one color, and so I looked behind me, kind of behind me and up and saw this and I immediately thought, that's a sasquatch, and I believe it was. And right at that moment, a fish grabbed my fly, as fate would have it, and I made the terrible mistake of taking

21:49 my eyes off of the sasquatch to look at and the fish had already gotten away, and I turned and looked back, So maybe three seconds MAX took my eyes away from the sasquatch to look at the fly, looked back up, and the sasquatch was gone, literally had just disappeared. There was no time for that creature that large to be running away that I wouldn't have seen it, and so it just literally was gone. And I wish that I kept my eyes on it. I mean, there's I don't care how nice the fish is, No fish is worth losing the sight of the sasquatch that you have caught sight of. So all my other experiences have been at night and in the campsite, out for hikes, and probably I would be guessing here because I haven't, you know, taken time to go back through all the information I have in a lotdowns I don't even write it down anymore, but probably forty to fifty encounters with sasquatch, either from inside my tent or my hammock, or I'm not seeing anything, but I'm certainly hearing them interacting with them, or seeing

23:20 their eye glow at night, which we've probably seen about fifteen times now something like that. So wow, Okay, that that is really interesting. So I'm hearing, you know, max of fifteen years back, having about forty or fifty encounters in some way and those are all over the board. Between yeah, in the last fifteen years. Yeah, So I want to I want to talk about your sighting for a little bit. And you you only saw it for a few seconds. It looks like or it sounds like, but yeah, was there anything that you remember the details of what you saw? Was it similar to you know, everyone thinks of the Patty film, right, was it similar to that or were you surprised at how maybe it's a little different.

24:20 It was surprising in how large it was, and this this rocky out cropping was quite always above me. And I climbed up there after that time, and it's so steep, literally so steep. Getting to that location. You have to go up on your hands and knees. You cannot vertically walk up the slope. So I knew there was no tourists up there camping. That would be impossible. You couldn't get it back back up there. So and it was very early in the morning, but it was very tall. That's where I'm remember is how tall it was, and that it was all color, meaning it was not wearing clothing that I could discern. It was just dark brown the entire surface of the creature, and so it wasn't moving when I saw it. It was literally standing looking down and as I said, not looking at me necessarily, but looking from that perch down to the lake, and it was you know, who knows how long it was watching me until I happened to turn and look up.

25:39 Probably quite a while, because that was the first time I looked in that direction while I was down at the lake, So it could have been there ever since I got to the lake. Who knows. You mentioned that this Wellington Lake area has a lot of It has a lot of encounters or sightings over the years. Are they being seen in similar like in the similar area where you saw yours, or are the things that are happening in this area a totally different person to person. Well, they're all in the same general area because the campsite is a very specific area. You can't just camp anywhere.

26:27 You have to camp in this one area and so but it's there are campsites along the lake on the front, and then there's what they call their mountain campsites, which are the backside of the loop up up against this huge rock mountain we call the Castle, and it's almost always, in fact, probably every encounter with someone who is camped at the backside, not on the front side. So if you're by the water where everybody else is, you're not going to see much. But if you're back by the mountain, you you could very likely have an encounter. And so most of the all the visuals and the vocals were from that backside, going up the side of the mountain, and or a few from the campsite. There was one family that wrote me about an encounter they had in nineteen seventy eight when they were doing a family having a family reunion at this lake. In that it was grandparents, parents, kids, grandkids, you know, all the generations were there and they there was a fast watch, at least one or more that came through that night interacted with every campsite, and the grandparents were sleeping in a trailer patched to the to

28:01 the hitch of their truck, and they were asleep and something came and rocked their camper so hard it bent the hitch to the side, which I've never heard of before or since. I mean, they this person that wrote this story said they were hanging onto the Bedford dear life to keep from being thrown out of the bence. And they had a huge wooden canoe that took four men to carry from the stand that they put it on down to the water or to carry it back. And that canoe was picked up and tossed about thirty feet and crashed to the ground, and everyone in the camp heard it. It was a huge noise. So all that happened one night. But some of those campsites were spread out, maybe lower down towards the lake. But seventy eight, I doubt there were nearly as many people camping as there are now. It was fairly new resort area at that time.

29:04 Absolutely, those are some wild interactions. Is that something that you find yourself hearing a lot out there in this area Colorado that you know there's just some wild sasquatch encounters, or is it kind of across the board as well? It's across the board. I mean, we've certainly heard some wild ones and had some wild ones. But I think the I used to physically run the store more than I do now. I'm usually out taking people out, many of whom are have never been out doing anything like that, but occasionally so we'll have stories from those times. And I do have the occasional guests who literally freaks out in the night from something that happen. But but yeah, I mean we have across the board.

30:06 Big for society who will be right back after these messages. We have a map in the museum. It's about a five foot by four foot map of Colorado where we plot with pins people's encounters based on whether it was a visual encounter, vocal tracks that they found, if they had something thrown at them when they're out in the woods.

30:51 So we had different color for each thing, and so on the map. Today, I think we've got I should go count. It's been a while. We probably have four hundred pins on that map, maybe more of all types, but visuals probably sixty, I would say, just from people's encounters in Colorado, and I hear stories from all over the country. I don't just hear stories about Colorado. But if someone comes in tells me Colorado's story and convinces me that they're genuine, then I'll take them back and given them pin and ask them to put the pin wherever this incident happened. So this map is full of pins today.

31:43 So when you are. Doing the you mentioned earlier, there's like an adventure type side thing that you're doing as well. Is that also in taking people out to have a bigfoot take them the big areas? Okay, okay, that's cool, that's cool, it's cool. Has there been a time when you've gone out where I mean, it sounds like people are having some really intense things happen, But can you remember a time where you're out there and things just got incredibly intense and you're like, it might be time to head back to the outpost or.

32:26 We've never left the camp site We've had because I'm convinced now after all these years, that they don't have an intention of harming us. If they did, I couldn't take people out. There's too much liability. Sure, I can't afford to be sued as somebody goes missing or gets attacked, and in fifteen years has never happened, nor has it happened to any other researcher I know who take people out. So you know, just from the the the bulk of the numbers of encounters people have had who were thinking out or have gone out with other researchers or who go out on their own. If their intent was to harm us, there would be hundreds of stories and people will be hunting them down. It just doesn't happen. So once I once I realized that there was no reason to leave. Now doesn't mean people I take out don't want to leave, but that option isn't available for them.

33:45 And I explained all this during our orientation time that when we're out there, we're out there, particularly when we're on horseback. There's no leaving in the middle of the night. That's suicide. So and even though I explain all this to people, tell them, you know, this is what could likely happen. This is probably what's going to happen. When it happens, all bets are off. None of us know how we're going to react to any experience until it actually happens to us, and so I try to let people as best I can. It's it's not it's not a positive thing for a group when someone is freaking out.

34:33 It's not a good thing from the perspective of encounters with sasquatch, because Sasquatch, again, in my experience, they will back off if they realize that their presence is causing that much to stress, they'll back away, which means nobody gets an encounter after that. And but yeah, we've had me think of some example. I mean around the tent, pushing on the tents. That's pretty common. Untying the horses and letting them off in the middle of the night, one horse at a time, and I have to get up and I have to go get the horse, bring them back, time, back up. And the way we tie these horses up, they cannot get off the line. They can't.

35:30 They just can't. I mean the not we use titans as you pull it against it. And yet here's this horse untied off, grazing by itself. And I'll go bring the horse back, tied up, go back to bed, wake up. An hour later, there's a different horse that's completely naked. Its bridle is still hanging on the line, and the horse is out racing because they came and let it off. And I think the reason they do that is they just there's probably juveniles and they're just messing with me. See how long it takes me to get up and go until I say out loud, okay, it's been finding out. This is all funny. But I need to get some sleep and then everything stops every time. So uh, you know, I don't begrudge them wanting to have some fun and they don't seem to heart hurt the horses at all.

36:22 But that kind of mischievous activity happens in camp where they'll take things or rearrange things in the campsite so that you when you wake up, you see and it's usually things that they have figured out that we will notice, and so because they're watching this all the time. So yeah, we've had We've had lots of encounters where people wake up sometimes if we're sleeping. Sometimes we'll just sleep under the stars on the tarp and sleeping bags, so when you wake up, if something there, you're going to see it. I mean, it's unlike a tent where you can hear things, but you're not going to see much outside. And we've had people wake up and have sasquatch basically standing over them that leaves as soon as they realizes they're awake.

37:21 So lots of encounters. I'm trying to think of anything more dramatic. I mean, people do freak out when when something is touching their tents from the outside or when they can hear actually hear the footsteps walking around the tent, bipedal footsteps. And when it's three or four in the morning and you're camping, you would have to be an absolute idiot as a person to go into somebody else's campsite and walk around in the dark. You're going to get shot. That's what's going to happen. And so people people just don't go wandering on campsie in the night unless they're insane. And so we're very confident at night when something is going on outside our tents, it's not people.

38:16 It's squatch that come in and they very often choose to come in about two or three in the morning when any sane person's in their tent asleep. That's that's so interesting. And you know, until you've been in that situation, I don't think you can really understand because I mean I've been in that situation in Iowa. I've had I've been in a tent. I've had something walk around my tent in I mean it was like two or three in the morning, something was out there, and yeah, I mean, you can't freak out, but I could see how it's easy to get there.

39:01 Yeah, it is easy. And I certainly understand it, but I really try to keep that from happening because they're they're going to miss everything that happens after that. Well that's that's interesting then, So what kind of you know, let's say we're trying to keep people, you know, level headed, calm, what are the things that you don't want them to miss? Then? Well, I don't want them to miss. You have to be quiet. I mean you you have to be awake, and you have to be quiet. And so you will hear them walking up many many times. I mean there are times when they just seem to appear and you don't hear the approach. You'll hear them talking to each other, just like we're talking now. It's and when we're in a camp with three or four tenths and sess Clutch come into the camp and are talking to each other, everyone around assumes it's somebody in one of the other tents talking, you know, in low tones with their tent met or whoever. That's almost never the case. It's sasquatch walking around talking to each other. But it sounds like people talking completely. We just don't understand the words, so they'll miss the talking, they'll miss them interacting through the tent.

40:28 They'll miss occasionally a smell that's very rare in my experience. So and it's just special to be at the plate, to be out in the woods, to have been told the sasquatch is real. Though a lot of people still come kind of thinking, I'm not sure about this, and I get that again, I have the benefit of experience. They don't, and so they'll come wanting to have an experience, and when it actually happens, either it freaks them out so badly that they're still shaken weeks later or months later, and sometimes it creates PTSD kind of trauma, and people not because that was the intent of the sasquatch to scare the person to death, but it was that person's reaction to what they were experiencing that caused that PTSD.

41:31 And so I try to be as explicit as I can, as detail as I can, and telling them what may happen, and if they need encouragement or whatever, they can always call out in the night and we'll all answer verbally. But they've got to be they've got to be out in the woods, they've got to be in a tent, being in a camper, doesn't you work because you're not going to hear anything. You're you got solid walls between you and nature. But in a tent, it's a whole different ballgame. And so I explain to people this is the only way to do this for you to have the kind of encounter they at least you say you want to have. I think a lot of them in the midst of it decide I don't want to have this.

42:24 I'm not enjoying this. I'm frightened. You know. At that point they just be quiet then and just waiting and wait them out and they'll leave eventually. Absolutely. It's I think a good analogy that I can think of is you've pretty much gone on a roller coaster and at that point when they're there, you're not getting off until you get back to you know, the end of the You get to the end of the ride. And when you get to the top of the highest part of the roller coaster and there's this brief pallus and you're thinking, no, no, no, no, don't no too late. You know you're you're in it, absolutely so just enjoy the ride at that point, or scream your way all the way to the end. But I don't want them to scream because that only scares the other campers, and usually tassbusch leaves people do occasionally scream.

43:22 Exactly. That scares me more than past quatch. How far are you guys out there when you're you're horse camping to these areas. Uh, We're we're probably twenty thirty miles from the nearest town, Wow. And and we'll we'll trailer the horses to a certain point where we typically will meet the guests and then we'll ride together from there. We're going to do that this summer, although this summer we've opted to go only with extreme what we're calling extreme horseback trips, where it's we're going to have a minimal gear, we're going to be eating freeze dried food and sleeping on the ground in order to get back as far as we can get and to get back as far as we can get.

44:21 We don't want to be bringing ten pack horses. We'll have one horse, maybe two, and and we may do a backpack trip like this as well, with everyone carrying their own backpack, but the horse carrying the main weight that they would have had in their backpacks. But yeah, it's it's uh, we're probably so this summer we're going to try some new trails and get back as far as we can get. But it can only be experienced riders because we're crossing creeks and steep inclines up and down, and I can't be trying to teach someone to ride in the midst of that kind of terrain. So, and we don't have anyone signed up yet. I hope we will get some, but we we're back there and we're going to be Probably the day we go out, it'll probably be h three or four hour ride to get to where we're going to camp in difficult terrain. But once we're out there, you know, anything can happen.

45:35 Big for society will be right back after these messages. I mean, that's the exciting part is we're usually back far enough that we're not dealing with sasquatch to deal with people all the time. These are locations where they probably don't see people very much, and therefore it might be all the more curious about who we are and why we're there, and you know, what are your intentions, et cetera.

46:18 Yeah, absolutely, it could make for some really interesting things, I think. But you'd mentioned earlier that you started this out with a certain viewpoint of what sasquatches and then you actually proved yourself wrong as you went along correct. Do you mind sharing a little bit about about what your current thoughts are as to what we may. Be at all with I started off where most researchers start off, thinking this is an undiscovered great ape. Therefore they're going to behave like apes, and we can find them.

47:01 They're just very good at hiding. It didn't take me real long, probably a year, not even for that idea to be thrown out the window, because they don't behave like an ape. Every other great ape in the world we have in captivity and have had for one hundred years and so, and we're not going to Congo and Southeast Asia to find great apes. They're on our doorstep, they're in our backyard, and yet we cannot capture them or kill them. So it didn't take long for me to come to my own conclusion these are not apes.

47:43 There's something else. And since that time, both through behavioral evidence and through some DNA evidence, I'm convinced in my mind, beyond shadow of doubts, that they are people, and they are different people than we are. But I'll use this example often when I'm speaking. If I take a seven foot Scandinavian man and put them next to a pygmy from Congo and Central Africa, you would think they were from different planets. They don't even look like the same species.

48:24 And yet we're all Homo sapiens, and I think Sasquats are people. They're just very different people to us. But I think their behavior, everything about their behavior supports that theory in my opinion, so and everything that I've discovered about them moves me further away from any kind of an ape theory model. They just do not demonstrate that in any way. That's that's extremely interesting, is you know, you think about if you were to put us into an environment where you just put us out in the woods for like twenty thirty years, I mean you're going to potentially eventually maybe revert to a you know, semi primitive state as well.

49:20 Sure, sure, yeah, it's a feral feral, yeah. Exactly if we survive. See, that's the string is we we have to build homes and where many layers of clothing or will die in the woods. That's not the case for Sasquatchy they don't need homes. They're perfectly adapted to where they live, to the temperatures of their environment, so they they're fine. We we equate, we equate modernity with intelligence. There's lots of kinds of intelligence, and in my mind Sasquatch are just as intelligent as we are.

50:05 It's but it's an intelligence that serves them in their environment. They're not building homes because they don't need to build homes. They live perfectly at ease where they are. We're the ones that have to build things to survive with the elements that they don't. So then, knowing that, do you have certain goals when you are going out, like how are how are you trying to interact with with Sasquatch when you're out there, knowing that you know you're you're viewing them in that way.

50:45 Well, I know from experience that they don't trust us very much. I wouldn't either, and so they they have to be their trust has to begin for them to interact with us in any way other than in an aggressive way to hopefully get us to leave from an area. And that's rare, but trust me, if they really want us out, they'll find a way to communicate that that is crystal clear, and very few people would be able to remain in the area because of the the displays that they will do to convince us to move on.

51:32 But most of the time that's not the case. Most of the time they're very curious about why we're in the woods. Now, I again vertic that I am. I really believe they understand what our intentions are. They have some ability to read our intent whether we're out there to harm them or not. And I always lead my guests in short kind of meditative process too, to open our hearts and minds to them as people, and to be willing to experience things that we're not used to.

52:16 But don't reject this outright, because all that thing may be is something. It's that. And I get this all the time. I'll have other researchers who who are more of the great ape theory. Other researchers will say, you need to stick to science. You're you're you are harming the cause by talking about all these wu paranormal things. And my response is, one, this is what I'm experiencing. I'm not looking for it. This is what's coming to me. Two, what is confusing or we call wu today is tomorrow's science principle. Everything that we believe about science today was at one time believed to be nonsense, and so we it's it's everything is science. What they can do is just science that we do not yet understand or have the technology to understand. And maybe one day we will and we'll look back and laugh at how we thought they were such, you know, unintelligent brute creatures, when in fact they're more intelligent than we are. Yeah, so long answer to your question, but.

53:37 I think that's a great answer though, and it's probably very helpful to take that time to lead people or to empower them with you know, that form of meditation, because at the very least you're giving them a way to kind of be able to chill out a little bit as well. If things get yeah, relaxed. Yeah, let your guard down a little bit. Trust the people who are with you that you know, when we say don't worry, they're not going to attack you, that they're not. And so if people can relax, and if they can open their minds, and I'll even say, talk to them in your mind as we're walking, talk to them and let them know that you would love to interact with them if they're around, and or say it out loud. It doesn't matter. I'm never bothered by people, you know, on the trail talking or whispering not to me, but to sasquatch because I think sessquatch, I believe they hear those things and they they act accordingly. So if we're out in the woods walking and thinking to ourselves, go way, go way, go way, go way, we're probably never going to have an encounter.

54:56 True, Or I'm freaking out and that's all you're thinking, Well, I'm. Freaking out, carify it and can can we get out of here? Now? You know. Something I find interesting when I talk to witnesses is they'll share how they they do, you know, talk out loud to sasquatch and then there's like an immediate response, And I find that fascinating. Is that anything that has ever been experienced in any of your outings? Yeah, yeah, we've. We've Sometimes if we go out, I'll try to start off by having a time of quiet, you know, eyes closed, just kind of in a meditative state for a few minutes. But if I forget to do that when we're out, we'll stop at we'll stop at many points during a typical hike or camping trip and just be quiet and listen, and then we may I may if someone has a particular gift with doing bigfoot calls or whatever, I may say, hey, can you give a shout or can you do your best job of imitating a sasquatch call or something, which is kind of fun for people anyway to see. And people are always embarrassed the first time they try them, like, oh, I can't do that. I'm like, just try. That doesn't matter.

56:28 They're not out there judging you. And how often we'll get a response back, either verbally or vocally, or in a tree snap or a knock or something that indicates that somebody was listening when they did that. And so but I'll often talk to them out loud, you know, hey, we'd love to see you, would love to know you're around. And this is many hours into the hike. And then suddenly, right after saying that, eye glow starts to shine in the bushes and trees as though they were waiting for that invitation. I don't know if they were or not.

57:12 I just know when we interact with them like that, as you said, very often they will respond very soon. After that, it's it's so man, it just blows me away every time I hear it, and it's just it never it never gets old, especially you know when it's actually a k are you out there or something like that, and it's just like bam, tree snap or tree knock. Yeah, yeah, this is this is some wild How could. You not how could you think that was anything but an answer? I mean, timing is nothing. Else exactly now when you're out there.

57:58 Another thing that is really brought up in a lot of reports, and I'm curious how it's viewed from your side. Do you guys ever experience anything that could be considered infrasound or how do you take reports like that? The only ways we can determine if infrason has been used is if someone gets zapped in the group, So either gets overwhelmed with terror or dread one person versus everyone else in the group is feeling comfortable and fine, and one person irrationally it's like, ah, we have to leave, we have to leave now, you know whatever. Or they get nauseous, or they may get an intense migraine headache that just comes on suddenly. So it's usually when somebody is getting affected. Now, I've never had that happen. I'm not sure I want it to happen, just so I can say I've had it happen either. So it's it's It can be a very frightening traumatic experience to be the target of a zapping or sizzling, depending on what language you want to use. And we don't know exactly how they do it. We believe that infrasound plays a part in it. I mean, our government right now is

59:33 in the past, has experimented with infra sound as a weapon, absolutely a battlefield weapon. So does info sound have an effect on us one hundred percent? The question is are they doing this? Elephants use it, Tigers use it. So it's certainly easily within the realm of possibility for sasquatch to have the ability to use that. And I have friends who have more advanced technology than I do, who have told me that they've done call blasting and they have equipment that can detect infrasound that when they get a call back, they know if there was infrasound in that call or not.

1:00:20 I myself have talked to individuals. Yeah, I know exactly what you're talking about. And it's incredible. I mean to think that some man even someday, maybe we'll have a little device that we can carry around with it and if infrasound is detected it that way, it'll like, you know, flash or make a beep or something. That'd be pretty cool. But well, people use something akin to that when they use a device to detect electromagnetic energy, because many times when a sasquatch is in the area, they they somehow emit electromagnetic waves that will cause an electronic device to demonstrate, you know, either it goes up the indicating you know, there's there's a source of electromagnetic energy nearby, which is one indicator that they're around. Not the only indicator, but that's certainly one indicator that is, like you're saying, if we could detect the infrasound, we can apparently detect some of their energy as well.

1:01:40 Besides those indicators are let's say, you know, we're in a group where we're going out in the woods on one of these outings. What is the number one thing where if it happens, then you're like, okay, we definitely are in a situation where there's a sasquatch. Pretty close to us, a. Vocal vocalization of some kind a tree snap or break or knock near nearby in an otherwise silent woods in the woods here in Colorado are the most early quiet woods I've ever been in my life. And there's no crickets, there's no cuquidos, there's no bugs, period, it's nothing. It's completely silent. So when you hear something, you know, I mean everybody hears it. So no, I can't say that. Actually, I've been with groups when half of us heard in a huge crash something noise up ahead of us on the trail, and half the group heard nothing. Wondered what we were reacting to when they because they heard nothing.

1:03:00 So it's this bizarre How do you explain that? I mean, it's just totally bizarre that those who heard it would say, oh, come on, surely you heard that. I mean, it was so loud, and the others hear nothing. I mean for them, they're just walking in silence on the trail like they have been. So it's bizarre. It's just these bizarre kind of paranormal things that happened that I had no explanation for it. But it happens enough that I'm like, okay, here we go, you know, but usually we hear something smell almost never. I've probably only on two occasions, and I'm not even sure on those two occasions smelled anything that I would have thought was a sasquatch. Whereas people seem to think by stories they hear that every time sassquatches around, you're going to smell this rank smell and and then you're going to see sasco. Yeah you might, but that's never been my case. I've only smelled on two occasions something that I really wondered, what is that that's rank? And it wasn't the smell of decay. I know that smell. But but most of the time, even when they're right up around, right up next to my tent, I smell nothing. And so maybe it's something they turn on and off. But I know if I was out

1:04:31 with a group and we all smelled in my experience, when when they emit an odor like they are known for, whether these pheromones, I'm not sure, but it seems to be something they can turn on and turn off when they want to. But it's a smell that is alarming. It causes people to stop in their tracks. And say what is that. It's not just uh oh, that smells like excrement or something. We all know that smell. This is a smell that creates in the person alarm, a sense of alarm, which is probably why they would use that smell. If they are using it, is because again they want us to move out of the area for whatever reason. We've had things thrown at us as well.

1:05:24 Oh man, I didn't even think of bringing that up. Okay, oh wow. That that's a dead ringer for there. They're around and they haven't hit us. And thankfully, if they the times that they've thrown things, if they hit us, it would have killed us. I mean it would have. It was a big enough rocks thrown hard enough that it would have brained me and in one second and so but they never hit us. So, but that's very frightening. And it's again when you're walking in a dead quiet would and then behind you, this baseball sized rock smacks a tree with great force. It's it's extremely loud, so it makes everybody jump. So yeah, that's that would be one more item that would tell me, well, okay, unless there's some humans been sitting out there for hours hoping somebody walks by in the middle of the night, nothing else can throw except us.

1:06:29 In Sasquatch, So this happens at night too. That's even worse. At night, usually at night, in fact, because they can approach us much closer at night than the daytime. I faced. I've had things thrown in the daytime, but wherever they were when they threw it, they were not within visual range. At night, they can be right up on you and throw something, and a lot of times it's just playful. They're just tossing stuff in your direction. Where you hear, you know, a rock land in front of you on the trail and bounce and you think, okay, that's bizarre, where did that come from? So it's more often playful than done with an intent to frighten us.

1:07:14 You've got some wild stuff going on in Colorado, for sure, in the Bailey area. But it's cool that you're able to make these, uh, these connections through these outings that you're you're doing. Jim, I just want to say thank you for being on the show today, and do you mind spending a few minutes reminding viewers how they can keep keep up to date with what you're doing. How if they want to contact you, or maybe even if they want to take part in these outings that you've been talking about. So our website is Sasquatch Outpost dot com. We have a full online store on that site where you can buy most of what we sell in our brick and mortar store. And there's there's tabs on the top of the page to some of the research that I put in there, as well as to the outings which is rabbit Hole Adventures. You can go straight to the rabbit Hole website by typing rabbit Hole Adventures all together dot co, not dot com, but dot co, and that will take you where the trips are listed and you can see if there's any room left on a given trip that you're interested in, and you can book it on that site.

1:08:39 So seth got Outpost dot com and rabbit Hooleadventures dot co. And then we're located in Bailey, Colorado at one forty nine Main Street. Really tiny town. Daily but you really can't miss the outposts. And if you miss the store, does that ask anybody in town. They all know where we are. Fantastic, Well, we'll definitely keep in touch with you and see how things are going into the future. But thanks for coming on the show. Jim, I appreciate it. Bye bye. Just wanted to take a few minutes to say thank you to you all my listeners for listening to the podcast.

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