Surrounded in Area X!

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Welcome to the Bigfoot Society. In
this episode, I talked to Adam Dugan

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from Small Town Monsters, who shares
about the Bigfoot encounter that he and Seth

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Breedlove had in the infamous area X
of Oklahoma. If you've experienced something similar

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to what Adam has, or have
more information regarding Bigfoot or other cryptids in

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the same area, please reach out
to me immediately after this episode. Remember,

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your encounter could be the key to
unlocking this mystery once and for all,

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so please don't hesitate to contact me
at Bigfoot Society at gmail dot com.

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All right, Bigfoot Society, We've
got the privilege of talking to an

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individual that I've wanted to chat with
for quite a long time now about some

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interesting things he's experienced in his past. Adam, how's it going today?

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It is going well, dude.
How are you? I'm doing great.

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Do you mind sharing a bit about
yourself and then I'll let you get right

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into it. Yeah, that sounds
good. Like I said, my name

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is Adam. I have run round
in the woods with Seth Breedlove and Small

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Town Monsters for the past several years, and only recently did I actually move

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into a role at STM, so
now the COO of STM, which sounds

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super important that it just means working
really hard to everybody else. But before

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that, Seth and I became buddies. And if I'm sure your audience is

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familiar, but he's the man behind
the Small Town Monsters film catalog, YouTube

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channel, all of that good stuff. And we met in a roundabout way.

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We both were interested in Bigfoot,
and we both liked the same bands.

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And if Facebook has very rarely done
anything productive in my mind, but

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they did because that's how we connected. I acted in Momo the Missouri Monster,

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and then in the Jersey Devil movie, and then tagged along with Seth

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going to look for UFOs up and
down the East Coast and several other little

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excursions. And then the one,
probably the biggest one in my mind anyway,

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was I think we're going to talk
about today, which was getting to

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go into Area X in Oklahoma with
the North American Wood Ape Conservancy a couple

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of years ago. It was June
sixteenth through the eighteenth, twenty eighteenth,

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which is wild that it was six
years ago. It shows you how impactful

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it was because it feels like it
was yesterday. I still remember all of

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the little details that you only remember
when something is a big deal to you.

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Seth called me randomly one day.
We had hung out a little bit

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beforehand. We had talked a lot
about Area X and the North American Wood

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Ape Conservancy, and the thing that
really intrigued me about them was the fact

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that they had a similar outlook,
or at least the most scientific perspective on

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Bigfoot that I had heard. I
am all in for cryptids and fantastic stories

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and whatever, but there's a very
there's a very I don't want to say,

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skeptical but very critical side, or
maybe it's the other way around,

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not critical but skeptical of a lot
of a lot of things because I'm a

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human being and some things are just
hard to hard to believe. I guess

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it is the best way to put
it. But an AWAC looked at Bigfoot,

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and I guess still looks at bigfoot
as a flesh and blood creature.

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They're studying it and researching the topic
in an attempt to bring it into the

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scientific community, ultimately for conservation efforts, because if it is out there,

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then it is incredibly rare. Would
be to say endangered would be an understatement,

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I would think, and in the
scientific world you have to prove its

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existence with irrefutable evidence to then be
able to get the backing and the support

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you need to get something on an
endangered species list or something like that.

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So they're a bit controversial in that
their goal is to get a type specimen,

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so it can't officially be documented in
the scientific record. They've made it

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public. They don't want to shoot
one. They would much rather find one

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in one of their research locations that
had already passed away and then take it

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and have it. But if given
the opportunity, they want to take a

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type specimen, I was very much
in line with how they looked at the

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creature. So Seth called and said, I remember the conversation. He said,

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Hey, do you want to go
to Area X? And I was

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like, wait, what, we
can we can do that because I listened

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to the Bigfoot Show so with Brian
Brown and with their entire their entire team

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with Daryl Collier, Alton Higgins listened
to them talk about this place and would

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listen to their stories. Sitting around
what sounded like a fire somewhere in the

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middle of Area X in my mind, surrounded by Bigfoot and talking about what

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they had done that day and research
projects that they had ongoing. So I

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had this thing in my head that
was built up what this place would look

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like, you know, just jungle
more or less and just in the middle

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of nowhere. And so to have
the opportunity to act, to go see

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it and put a physical location and
a picture into those stories that I heard

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was just a dream come true.
So obviously I said, yes, I

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live in southeastern Tennessee and stuff is
in Ohio. So he drove down swung

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through Nashville picked me up. The
first time we'd ever done any like real

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staying like together in the same place
for any extended period of time. We

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had hung out, but it was
always, you know, meeting somewhere in

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the middle and we'd go eat and
talk and whatever else. So our first

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encounter with each other was in a
little car driving from Nashville to Oklahoma.

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We drove all the way there and
met Alton Higgins, who and I don't

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know how many of these individuals are
still involved or not, and just by

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my record, who was involved at
the time. So we met him,

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and immediately he took us to Essentially
what they have is an outpost on the

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outside of Area X, which I
had never heard of, so this was

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my first like insider base thing that
I got to see. It's a little

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outposts on the outside where they would
swap teams in and out. So they

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typically had their research kind of station
off the beaten trail. To put it

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lightly, they had a on the
beaten trail place where they would come out,

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sleep, shower, do whatever.
Another team would go in and they'd

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swap back and forth. So we
got to see that place and then the

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adventure began. We hopped in Alton's
truck, so all of the guys there

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have trucks that are specifically built to
get to this location because it's so varied.

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It is everything that I imagined it
would be and more. I know.

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I heard them describe it as like
Jurassic Park, and that is exactly

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what it looks like. So it
was I don't remember exactly how long I

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remember it was this solid. It
had to have been ten fifteen miles maybe

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back into the Washata National Forest and
not ten or fifteen city miles, literally

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rock crawling to get there. I
have video that's playing right now. My

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god, just bouncing around in the
back of Alton's truck with sat up front

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with a camera per usual, and
the knee in the back just like a

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giddy school girl just being like I
cannot believe this is about to happen.

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So we drove. It took us
probably I want to say, maybe forty

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five minutes to an hour or more
to rock crawl all the way back in

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there, just like I said,
ten miles or so to get back into

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the area. And so their research
installation set up. So if you think

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of a military if you're familiar with
what a fark is, like a forward

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operating base or a FOB. I'm
sorry, not a fark, that's another

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term, but what you would expect
that a lot of the guys were former

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military, and so they had scited
up like that. They had built a

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cabin, a two floor cabin where
they could sleep. They had a tower

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on top of the cabin that with
trash bags over the windows so their infrared

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sites on everything and optics could see, but whatever was outside couldn't see.

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In a tin what they called it
the hooch, which was essentially like a

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carport more or less, but it's
where their food was stored underneath anything electronic.

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They didn't need to get wet tables
like briefing debriefing tables, things like

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that. Some other little portable cover
where they could set gets very hot in

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Oklahoma in the summer, so we
got introduced to everything there and then from

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that point kicked off. We were
only going to be there two nights actually

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in at the inner area acts at
that current base camp. We just tried

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to blend in almost like a journalists
embedded in a bit of a war zone,

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like not to make light of war
zones. So it was not anything

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like what we did, but in
a sense that we had cameras and we

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were just there along for the ride. We got in Nank got a lay

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of the land essentially like the from
the way it was at that point.

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They would have different whether it was
research projects that were ongoing or just daily

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activities that would happen every single day. So they might have a research project

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running. I know they had like
fur traps at one point where they had

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had chips and they had these things
embedded in trees, so if something tall

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enough would walk by, this little
thing would get embedded in their fur and

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they would track it. They would
also have these daily activities where it would

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be Yeah, Darryl Collier was former
military and just like one of the best

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people if you ever have a chance
to meet him, one of just the

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most genuine people you'll ever meet.
Sweet guy. He would go out.

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He would get in full military camo, full face paint, full camo with

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like his like his Gilly suit if
you're familiar with those, so totally covered

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in what looked like leaves from the
terrain itself where we were. And he

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would go out every day and I
mean four hours talking, leaving at ten

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am and we wouldn't see him again
until five or six like that evening.

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He'd come back in and he would
essentially go out set up a spot where

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they had had activity and he would
just bed down and he would be there

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listening, watching, smelling. He
would go out and then he would come

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back and he would debrief the team
when he came back about what had happened.

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And he also was on walkie communications
while he was out as well.

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And so it just so happened to
the first day that we were there,

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and this is in the documentary that
Steff filmed and edited and then put out

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afterwards. But Daryl went out and
I don't know how. I don't remember

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how long it was that he was
out, but all of a sudden we

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got walkee squawks coming back, saying, I see one. I'm looking right

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at it. Like it's got the
dome shaped head. It's a lighter color.

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I can see its eyes, and
it's swaying back and forth. It's

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like moving back and forth. And
this is a well trained former military operator,

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like he knows how to look through
this scope of a that the four

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or five times optic zoom of a
scope. He knows what he's looking at.

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And you could hear it in his
voice, I'm looking at this thing.

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I'm looking at it right now.
So that was day one. Seth

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and I were immediately convinced that we
have hit the jackpot. We are here

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when Bigfoot is going to be proven
real. It was wild, like I'm

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getting goosebumps thinking about it, because
it was just like a dream come true,

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like all these things I had read
right here, they seemed to be

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coming to a point at the place
that I had hoped that they would come

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to a point at. And so
anyway, he watched it for a while

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and I mentioned them wanting to get
a type specimen. It's also speaking to

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their character. He was like,
I couldn't get a good enough shot at

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it to try. I don't know
that. Again, it sounds harsh to

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say, but a good hunter.
I grew up in the South and we

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all hunt. You don't take a
shot unless you know that you're going to

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be able to do what you need
to do with that shot. You don't

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want to wound anything that's that is
amateur hour stuff, So he wouldn't take

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the shot as big as an event, a life changing event as that could

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have been. He didn't take it, but it was enough for us to

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hear him describe it while he was
looking at it, so obviously we were

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all very excited, thinking, man, this is this is obviously activity is

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here. We went on a hype
just around the area and went through one

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location that, like I said,
growing up in the South, what different

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animals smell, dog and even bear
and things like that. We walked through

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a particular area there was no sense, no anything, and then got hit

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with this odor that smelled like wet
dog, but something else that I just

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wasn't familiar with, like almost almost
like I don't know how to describe it,

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just a very foul odor, what
you would expect, what you would

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think of big foto smell like.
I mean, given the stories we had

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that happen fairly soon after we got
there, they filled us in on the

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report, so they had had the
recent activity that they had had, and

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there was I don't think I mentioned
it. I think there was probably one,

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two, three, five or six
of us there. The members of

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the NAWAC were saying in the research
kind of cabin Seth and I wanted to.

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We want We felt like we needed
to prove ourselves and we're just too

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dudes with cameras just walking around like
its Disney World. So we set up

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our tent away from the which plays
into the story later, away from the

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actual installation itself a little bit,
probably only one hundred and fifty yards something

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like that if that, but far
enough away that we felt like we were

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out so if something was to happen, we'd be in the middle of it

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when it started. We had several
things happened that kind of the first couple

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of hours that we were there.
We had some cool conversations with Bob and

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Kathy. Strain sat there and got
to talk to them, and we went

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to bed that night, nothing really
of note happening. Black widow spider dropping

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out of the zipper line of our
tent, which I have a picture of,

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was terrifying. Let's see, I
was an idiot, had food in

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the tent, and there was some
animal rummaging around outside of the tent.

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There'll call your I was not happy
that I did that, so he let

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me you know, and then yeah. Then we got up the next day

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and had a pretty pretty quiet day. There were some wood knocks and some

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whoops that very like buy the book
Bigfoot stuff, but nothing too much.

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And then the high point of the
story. We went to bed that night

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knowing we were leaving early early ish
the next day, and we'd had cool

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stuff happen enough that I had really
shifted my thoughts on the subject as a

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whole, and from something I wanted
to be real to something that I thought,

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given how this place looks and what
I've heard the people I've talked to,

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probably is real. I had already
shifted to there, even just with

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the things that had happened. But
I want to say it's probably Seth and

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I were in the tent, out
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in bed, and he had a
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I had a cot on the other
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in that weird state in between awake
and asleep. We were just drifting off,

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and all of a sudden, there
was a crack, like an explosion

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almost, that just echoed in those
woods, just a power metal, tinny

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sounding bang, And because you're in
those woods like that, it just echoes

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forever. But it was very close
to us. And as soon as that

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happened my eyes opened. I'm sure
Seth's eyes opened. There came this yeah,

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I'm getting cold, she was even
thinking about it. There was this

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I don't even know how to describe
it, whooping monkey. If you've been

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to like a gibbon exhibit at the
zoo where they do the what but more

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than that laughter almost it almost sounded
giddy when it did it. And I

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couldn't tell how many different things were
making that noise. All I know was

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it was very close. It was
very loud. It was clearly coming from

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a large animal. It's just that
sound was startlingly loud, not only the

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bang, but then the whoops that
came afterwards, and it almost sounded playful

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like. It almost sounded like laughter. And people have said since then,

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owls sound like that, And I'm
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different types of owls. Darryl was
talking to owls while we were there.

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He's the ultimate woods woodsman, woods
person. He was. He would

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make owl noises and they would respond, and it wasn't it was not an

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owl because of the volume. And
also if you just pull up monkey noises

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at the zoo or like a howler
monkey whooping, that is exactly what it

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sounded like, but from something that
lungs were not the size of a traditionally

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sized howler monkey or given or whatever
we're familiar with. And I don't know,

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Seth remembers this and because it it
all happened so quickly. But there

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was also some rustling, clattering like
some other almost like movement in the brush

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up behind in the direction of the
research cabin. So if we were,

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you know, if you look at
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the cabin, and so then the
cabin was obviously north of us, and

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then behind the cabin further was a
hill that ran up into who knows where

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we had hiked up there but I
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but it sounded like the rustling and
all of that was happening up on that

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end of it. And the clearest
thing I remember is Seth half asleep sitting

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up and saying something like, oh, it's happening. We both at that

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moment. It has made me laugh
so hard. We talked about it on

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the way back on the drive back
to Nashville. That just that, just

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all of these emotions at one time, like wow, what is that?

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And your brain immediately tries to recognize
the sound, and you know, just

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going through your rolodex of animal sounds, would sounds or sounds, And I

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kept clicking back to monkey. I
remember that, Like why am I trying

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to convince myself that I didn't just
hear a monkey? Like I'm an adult,

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I've heard monkeys. I know what
they sound like. That's what that

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sounded like, pure and simple,
And I would try to you know,

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it flashes all right then in that
moment and was bird no? Owl?

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No? Then you go into these
weird things that you also know or shouldn't

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be there, jackal hyena like you
start running through these things trying to match

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up noises, and I kept going
back to going back to like a gibbon

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or a howl or monkey or something
like that that just is the long extended

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whoops and then a cackle afterwards.
Coyote was in Kyote clearly, and so

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we jumped up, but the guys
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I think we were up significantly later
than them. I remember members of the

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cabin that were in the cabin opening
the door and coming out, and we

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were looking, we were talking to
them on the walkie talking. They were

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all fumbling out of the cabin door
in various states of awakeness because I think

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we were all just startled because it
came out of nowhere. Everything settled down

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after that. We got up the
next morning and tried to put the puzzle

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pieces together, and essentially what we
came to the conclusion that something was up

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on the hill, which is somewhere
that they typically would see these things,

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where they would come up from behind
the hill, come down, observe them

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from up on top, and if
they needed to get back whatever it is

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could get back up to the safety
of the hill and over whatever beyond was

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beyond that hill and on top of
the hooch that I mentioned earlier, the

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big ten kind of car port.
There was a large rock that was up

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on top of that, up on
top of the hooch, which then made

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sense that if something is up there, they're watching, we're asleep. There

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are rocks, all kinds of stuff
on this hill that just climbs up for

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a good ways behind the cabin.
It sounded to me something was up there

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watching. Everyone had settled down,
SETH and I were finally going to sleep

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and drifting off no more movement.
It picks up a rock and just does

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that thing that you see gorillas do. They throw stuff, poop or otherwise

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they throw stuff, and it hit
that hoota made a loud noise and what

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I interpreted as whooping and whatever sounded
like I said, like giddiness, almost

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like oh, we did it.
That was a cool noise we made.

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We were trying to throw something in
that direction. Look what we did.

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And then the shuffling, rustling,
all of that stuff scampering back up as

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they realized, oh that was a
real loud noise. We're not hidden at

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this very moment, and we need
to back We had that event happened along

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with the other events, along with
being able to corroborate that with a finding

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something that would have made that noise, and then putting those pieces together.

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Whether or not that was the intention
of whatever it was, I don't know,

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but to me anyway, it sounded
like a giant, playful ape of

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some kind that had surprised itself with
its with its accuracy with a rock,

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enjoyed the noise, and then realized, oh, we got to get out

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of here because we just gave ourselves
away. And that was that was the

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turning point for sure for me in
my journey anyway to actually believing that Bigfoot

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is a thing. Exactly what it
is I still don't know. Unfortunately I

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didn't see it, but I feel
like I was as close as anyone has

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been that I've heard with as much
it was, I want to say,

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proof as much evidence to support the
story given so around these situations and what

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we found afterwards, is anyone I've
heard. I called my dad on the

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way back and I told him because
it's a big deal. He got me

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into the Bigfoot subject, and that's
been something we've connected over since I was

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really little. It was just weird, strange things cryptid, paranormal whatever,

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and I called him and I was
like, I think I just said they're

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real, like it's a real thing. So yeah, So that was That's

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my story. That's my big foot
story. And I think I've looked at

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the subject different since that day,
in a lot of different ways. No

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closer to an exact explanation of what
bigfoot is. But I had one of

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those encounters that you hear about on
podcasts and despite your best efforts, can't

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help but doubt a little bit when
you hear them, because you just it

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wasn't you that had that experience personally, and then all of a sudden it

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was me. And here I am
telling someone on a cool podcast about my

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story and thinking all the people probably
sitting out there the same thoughts that I

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used to have about No, I
don't know. It sounds like a cool

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story, but I wasn't there.
So that's my big for an encounter.

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Adam, that's an incredible account.
I think that's actually referred to in Michael

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May's book as well value of the
apes. It's shortly mentioned. I believe

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that you guys are okay, which
is pretty cool cool. I did not

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know that. Yeah, I just
check that out, that book out for

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sure. There's a lot of interesting
things that you mentioned. One was how

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you're you're almost paradigm shifted and you
got to the point you're like, Okay,

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I really believe in these creatures now
for sure. When you heard that

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in the tent, and I've experienced
this myself in Iowa, and I'll get

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into this in the future, but
I know exactly what that's like to be

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in a tent and then to experience
something like that. What emotions were going

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through your mind? Was it hard
for you to get back to sleep.

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Yeah, that's a good question,
because it was really strange how you would

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think. You know, you listen
to these podcasts and you hear people encounters

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and they say like, I was
terrified. I was just absolutely terrified.

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I was all I wanted to do
was turn and run, and I never

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want to go back in the woods
and whatever. And I know that my

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my encounter is not nearly as traumatic
as what I think some people have.

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I've heard some people talk about my
past. The initial shock of I'm going

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to sleep and all of a sudden
I'm awake with a loud noise was straight

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adrenaline number one and then number two. I in a very like childlike way.

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There was almost this trying to think
the best way to put it,

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because I've not really ever thought about
it what the emotion would be, almost

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like a euphoric moment where it's,
oh my gosh, there's more stuff out

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there than I realized, because I
think you always want to Yeah, I've

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said this on in a lot of
different places, talking to different people,

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both personally and professionally. Like,
as human beings were very arrogant, we

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like to think that we know how
everything works, we know what's up in

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the sky and what's under the water, we know what's in the woods,

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And all of a sudden, to
have that paradigm change, just like in

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an instant and think, okay,
all those things that I had bought into

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more or less as an arrogant human
being myself, they just changed. Everything

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just flipped and it was adrenaline excitement, to say the least. And then

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it moved on to how now what
do I do we unzip this tent and

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stick our heads straight out without without
assessing the situation. Do we radio into

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the guys that are in the cabin
and ask them what to do? Because

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We had gone over several different kind
of like SOPs, some standard operating like

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procedures about what to do if but
this was not covered. What to do

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if you're asleep and all of a
sudden what seems like a bigfoot invades your

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camp, throws a rock, starts
chattering. What is We didn't have an

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SOP for that. So part of
me also was like, Okay, don't

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make an idiot of yourself. These
guys are all former military, just like

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the kind of people you'd want to
be stuck in the woods with if you

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had to be stuck. So don't
make an idiot of yourself. And what

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could be literally ten feet outside my
tent right now? Could that be?

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Could bigfoot be right there? Could
all the proof that everyone's been looking for

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since before the Patterson Gimlin film.
Is it right there? So? I

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don't know even how to describe the
emotion other than just pure excitement and whatever,

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the emotion of a complete shift in
your even worldview, like well how

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you see things. I don't know
what that emotion is, but that's what

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I was, That's what I was
feeling anyway. It is the weirdest thing

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that it's fair hard to explain unless
you've experienced yourself, if you could go

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back and live through that night again, what things would you do differently?

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Yeah, I think what I didn't
do at that time. I think Seth

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and I've even talked about this.
From just a pure proof perspective, I

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wish that we had something running while
we were sleeping that night that wasn't anything

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that had been reported, at least
not regularly or recently. As far as

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that kind of activity, like you
in the middle of the night and you're

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in the middle of the woods.
We can't do a lot as far as

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what we came with, what was
charged, what was ready Beyond some battery

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packs and stuff. We had finite
resources, so we were trying to be

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a bit stingy with those. So
if it wasn't something that we were actively

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trying to film, it wasn't an
interview or just generic b roll walking around

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at ry X. We didn't have
cameras going all the time or recorders going.

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That would have been one thing.
I think that obviously having recorder going

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so then I could myself selfishly could
go back and listen to it whenever I

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wanted to, but also have that
to share with people to get their feedback,

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but to also validate what we heard
that would be something. And then

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I think, and it probably was, that discretion was the better part of

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valor there. We didn't go charging
off into the woods chasing whatever this thing

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was. But I think there was
hesitation. There's a lot of hesitation,

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at least on my part initially of
what to do next and how best to

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cement that experience, because it already
passed by the time we realized what had

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happened, and so I think there
probably would have been some things immediately going

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and starting to poke around behind the
cabin and get up on the hill a

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little bit. But it was almost
shock, not in a negative way,

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but just something that was completely unexpected. And so there was you don't know

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what you do in those situations until
you're in them, especially one like that

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where you don't really ever even plan
on being in it. It's not what

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if you're in a fast food restaurant
and somebody has a heart attack, you

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know what to do in that situation. It's unexpected, but there's precedent.

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There was just no precedent in my
mind for this, and so it was

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Yeah, So I think it long
answer, short probably would have spared or

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would have would had then used some
additional battery power, and knowing it was

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our last night to have something recorded, and it probably would have dug around

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a little bit more afterwards instead of
just stood there for the next stood sat

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laid there whatever for the next hour
with my jaw on the floor. I

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would love to go back and not
necessarily chase the creature, but chase the

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event a little bit further, just
to see what clues might be left behind,

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more so than what we saw,
because obviously things were left behind a

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bit with what we found on the
roof of the Hoots the next morning.

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So probably those are the things that
immediately come to mind. Did you find

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yourself having an internal struggle when it
came to am I an observer or am

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I someone that's here affecting what's going
on? Oh? For sure, Yeah,

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I think that. I think that
there was already a bit of like

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almost imposter syndrome, a little bit
being there because I hadn't contributed to any

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of the research, I hadn't done
anything to put all of us in the

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situation that we were in to have
that kind of experience. There was,

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00:30:30.720 --> 00:30:37.720
But it was also something to the
fact that it was known that changes in

410
00:30:37.759 --> 00:30:42.359
the team that were in Area X
at a given time, new people introduced,

411
00:30:42.640 --> 00:30:48.160
people leaving, different voices, different
morning routines for people getting up.

412
00:30:48.440 --> 00:30:52.359
These guys would go in, Guys
and girls would go in and stay for

413
00:30:52.559 --> 00:30:56.119
a week at a time, two
weeks at a time. I believe one

414
00:30:56.319 --> 00:31:02.519
went and it might have been I
don't remember who it was, but someone

415
00:31:02.519 --> 00:31:07.720
went in saved a month alone.
So when changes would happen in these morning

416
00:31:07.799 --> 00:31:11.000
routines of different team members in and
out, I mean those would change,

417
00:31:11.079 --> 00:31:15.759
it would cause whatever it is the
creature's behavior to change. And so part

418
00:31:15.960 --> 00:31:22.519
of it also was interesting to me
thinking that maybe seth in my presence there

419
00:31:22.599 --> 00:31:26.640
being a new presence and incited some
of that activity a little bit, which

420
00:31:26.680 --> 00:31:30.559
was a kind of a cool thought
to think that maybe we did have a

421
00:31:30.599 --> 00:31:34.519
part in this. But really what
it felt like to me was something that

422
00:31:34.880 --> 00:31:42.680
an animal would do, to walk
right up to the cliff's edge of interaction

423
00:31:42.960 --> 00:31:48.519
with something that it was curious about. So whether we influenced it or were

424
00:31:48.559 --> 00:31:52.319
just observers, I think it was
a bit of both. I think we

425
00:31:52.319 --> 00:31:57.119
were influencing an animal to do what
it would naturally do if it was curious

426
00:31:57.119 --> 00:32:00.880
about something that it didn't understand,
or something it was out of the norm

427
00:32:00.920 --> 00:32:04.079
for it being there. So I
think we observed a natural behavior, but

428
00:32:04.160 --> 00:32:08.720
we might have peaked the curiosity that
was required to incite that behavior. Maybe

429
00:32:09.200 --> 00:32:15.599
what if Darryl had taken the shot
and got the target while you guys were

430
00:32:15.640 --> 00:32:20.039
there. Is that something you've ever
thought about? Oh? Yeah, we

431
00:32:20.319 --> 00:32:22.440
not only we think about it,
we were I keep using military terms because

432
00:32:22.519 --> 00:32:29.319
that's I'm a military aviation nerd,
and I yeah, I'm a yeah,

433
00:32:29.480 --> 00:32:31.039
we won't even go into that,
but so I keep thinking about that.

434
00:32:31.039 --> 00:32:36.759
But we were briefed on what would
happen. There's disciplined in their approach to

435
00:32:36.799 --> 00:32:38.160
the entire subject, which is what
attracted me. Like I said in the

436
00:32:38.200 --> 00:32:43.319
first place, the scientific method.
Not liking what they were there to do

437
00:32:43.440 --> 00:32:49.319
necessarily, but knowing that ultimately like
it for the betterment of whatever this species

438
00:32:49.480 --> 00:32:53.559
is. So we were the general
consensus was that if there was a type

439
00:32:53.559 --> 00:32:58.960
specimen taken, that most likely it
would be a member of a family group

440
00:32:59.119 --> 00:33:04.920
something like that observed young, old, bigger, smaller ones during their years

441
00:33:04.960 --> 00:33:09.920
there. That probably you would have
repercussions from whatever of the other members of

442
00:33:09.960 --> 00:33:15.839
that kind of plan or family group, you would be at a target immediately.

443
00:33:15.279 --> 00:33:17.640
And so before we went out the
first time, we were told,

444
00:33:17.720 --> 00:33:23.279
if this happens and things get wild, Adam, you're here with this team.

445
00:33:23.359 --> 00:33:27.000
Seth, you're here with this team. You guys are in this truck.

446
00:33:27.039 --> 00:33:29.599
You guys are in this truck.
This is a meeting point. If

447
00:33:29.640 --> 00:33:34.960
you get lost, you need to
make sure at so and so is Adam's

448
00:33:35.240 --> 00:33:38.440
like watchdog. Essentially, if you
make sure he doesn't, don't let him

449
00:33:38.480 --> 00:33:44.079
out of your sight. So your
sets. Here's if we can only if

450
00:33:44.119 --> 00:33:49.440
we don't have time to get the
entire specimen out. Here's prime piece of

451
00:33:49.480 --> 00:33:53.599
documentation that we can get. Here's
secondary, here's tertiary. Here's our order

452
00:33:53.640 --> 00:33:59.119
of importance as far as triaging a
situation. So we were even told like

453
00:33:59.519 --> 00:34:01.519
where to go, what to do, what to say, how quickly to

454
00:34:01.559 --> 00:34:06.519
get there. If that doesn't work, what's the next option, and who

455
00:34:06.559 --> 00:34:08.440
you should be with at all times. Yeah, we were told it was

456
00:34:08.519 --> 00:34:14.840
essentially going to be like a mass
exodus to get back to that cabin that

457
00:34:14.920 --> 00:34:20.639
was established outside of the actual back
towards civilization, where then there were things

458
00:34:20.760 --> 00:34:27.039
set up there to make sure that
whatever was taken care of until whoever they

459
00:34:27.199 --> 00:34:31.000
needed to contact could be contacted and
whatnot, And they didn't get those were

460
00:34:31.039 --> 00:34:35.480
not details that gave us as far
as who was lined up and ready.

461
00:34:35.679 --> 00:34:40.280
I believed that they had some professors
and scientists from the University of Oklahoma,

462
00:34:40.400 --> 00:34:44.760
but they knew and whether they could
say it publicly or not, believed in

463
00:34:44.760 --> 00:34:47.360
what they were doing and were willing
to get there to make sure that the

464
00:34:47.360 --> 00:34:52.519
appropriate measures were taken, that whatever
was taken was preserved well and was handled

465
00:34:52.559 --> 00:34:58.199
in a way that couldn't be discredited
once it was actually brought to light.

466
00:34:58.400 --> 00:35:01.400
So yeah, they had a very
infinitive protocol for what to do at that

467
00:35:01.440 --> 00:35:07.239
point. That's so interesting and all
that is that has been talked before about

468
00:35:07.320 --> 00:35:12.920
before, since Adam isn't throwing anything
into the open that shouldn't be. Listeners

469
00:35:12.960 --> 00:35:16.440
will have the link to Wide Open
Research the episode with Darryl Collier, and

470
00:35:16.519 --> 00:35:23.000
he goes deep into what's called the
Artemis protocol, which is what's being referred

471
00:35:23.039 --> 00:35:28.800
to there. What happens if they
do get the type specimen, and then

472
00:35:29.000 --> 00:35:31.559
what are the next steps so that's
an interesting listen. I would recommend people

473
00:35:31.559 --> 00:35:36.840
go there next after this. How
was the ride back to Tennessee different than

474
00:35:36.840 --> 00:35:42.559
the ride Globa? It was we
were sleep deprived, especially from the night

475
00:35:42.639 --> 00:35:47.159
before. We were still the belilderment
a little bit. We just, like

476
00:35:47.199 --> 00:35:51.679
I said, you have this fundamental
change and how you look at things,

477
00:35:52.119 --> 00:35:53.880
and we both I think, tried
to play skeptic on one another. We

478
00:35:53.920 --> 00:35:59.400
both tried to more I think,
present all the arguments that we expected to

479
00:35:59.440 --> 00:36:02.480
hear, because you're thinking, I
want to tell everyone, how do I

480
00:36:02.559 --> 00:36:07.440
answer the questions when they start asking
these questions, like how do almost coming

481
00:36:07.519 --> 00:36:12.239
up with your arguments, your defense
against arguments that you know are coming and

482
00:36:12.320 --> 00:36:15.280
criticism that you know is coming.
There was a lot of that. I

483
00:36:15.400 --> 00:36:21.480
don't remember being tired at all.
I remember sitting there and thinking, we

484
00:36:21.519 --> 00:36:27.960
are talking about this fundamental shift in
this guy who's now become my best buddy.

485
00:36:28.480 --> 00:36:31.400
But at the time we didn't know
each other super well, but we

486
00:36:31.440 --> 00:36:37.079
had just had this experience together relating
to this subject that we had both just

487
00:36:37.159 --> 00:36:42.079
been in love with since we were
little, and having those discussions lots of

488
00:36:42.119 --> 00:36:45.599
excitement, Like I said, lots
of questions, answering each other's questions,

489
00:36:45.960 --> 00:36:49.679
trying to fill in gaps in the
story that one of us maybe didn't remember

490
00:36:49.719 --> 00:36:52.800
as well because of being half asleep
at the time and then waking up more

491
00:36:52.840 --> 00:36:58.920
fully and both paying attention to different
things and trying to piece that puzzle together.

492
00:37:00.119 --> 00:37:04.400
Know, like I said, I
called my dad. He called his

493
00:37:04.519 --> 00:37:07.360
dad. I think that was the
first time I'd ever heard his dad,

494
00:37:07.400 --> 00:37:12.599
And since since then, I've gotten
to I've gotten to spend a lot a

495
00:37:12.639 --> 00:37:15.760
lot of time with his dad and
his mom before she passed away. And

496
00:37:16.599 --> 00:37:21.639
just hearing his dad's excitement in response
to Seth's excitement was so cool because it

497
00:37:21.679 --> 00:37:25.239
was it was like just a mirror
of my dad and I And how like

498
00:37:25.599 --> 00:37:30.239
it said, there's a lot more
to that whole moment than just I think

499
00:37:30.320 --> 00:37:35.000
we just heard Bigfoot. It was
like I got something to share with my

500
00:37:35.079 --> 00:37:37.559
dad. And I've listened to podcasts
since I was little, you know,

501
00:37:37.320 --> 00:37:43.320
read books and then eventually what radio
programs or whatever, and too podcasting and

502
00:37:43.880 --> 00:37:47.320
talked about all these encounters, and
we posed ire for and against arguments for

503
00:37:47.360 --> 00:37:51.039
these encounters and all of this stuff, and all of a sudden I was

504
00:37:51.079 --> 00:37:54.760
telling my dad mine and Seth was
telling his dad his and there's something really

505
00:37:54.760 --> 00:38:00.880
special about that. But the ride
back was just excited in a way that

506
00:38:00.920 --> 00:38:02.599
I don't think I've been excited because
I just remember thinking, like, oh,

507
00:38:02.639 --> 00:38:06.960
I'm one of those people now,
like I've been listening to these people

508
00:38:07.000 --> 00:38:10.679
talk about their bigfoot experiences on podcasts
and read books about them and whatever.

509
00:38:12.400 --> 00:38:15.159
Oh my gosh, like I'm one
of them. It was not in a

510
00:38:15.199 --> 00:38:19.920
negative way at all, in a
very positive way, like I almost like

511
00:38:19.960 --> 00:38:22.800
you got to Yeah, like you
said, you had experiences like get to

512
00:38:22.880 --> 00:38:28.440
join a group of people you wanted
to join for a long time, but

513
00:38:28.599 --> 00:38:31.280
really you never really expected to be
in that cool club. So it was

514
00:38:31.360 --> 00:38:36.199
just a very excited rite back,
lots of talking and recounting the story as

515
00:38:36.239 --> 00:38:39.800
we remembered it and putting puzzle pieces
together. And not only that, but

516
00:38:40.400 --> 00:38:45.800
I think in the community there's definitely
this like aura, this sense of awe

517
00:38:45.800 --> 00:38:51.480
when people hear about Area X or
talk about Area X. There's just something

518
00:38:51.519 --> 00:38:54.320
about it. And have you ever
thought, why do you think there's such

519
00:38:54.480 --> 00:39:01.360
a sense of awe about this one
particular place in southeast Oklahoma as opposed to

520
00:39:01.760 --> 00:39:07.679
fill in the blank with random area
in Tennessee which could have just as crazy

521
00:39:07.679 --> 00:39:12.039
things happening. Yeah, I think
a lot of that can be attributed to

522
00:39:12.840 --> 00:39:16.559
I've always thought that Brian Brown,
who had the Bigfoot show back in the

523
00:39:16.639 --> 00:39:22.239
day, I always thought he was
such a good such a good storyteller.

524
00:39:22.559 --> 00:39:25.960
He did such a good job of
describing the location and making it seem real

525
00:39:27.079 --> 00:39:30.079
and alive even if you weren't there. Did a great job he and the

526
00:39:30.480 --> 00:39:37.000
guys on that podcast talking about the
experiences they had and also making I think

527
00:39:37.000 --> 00:39:42.559
there was a separation with that place
in some other places because of the group

528
00:39:42.599 --> 00:39:47.039
of people that were there and just
the inherent credibility I always felt like they

529
00:39:47.079 --> 00:39:53.159
had just listening to them talk and
explain their backgrounds, and I always had

530
00:39:53.159 --> 00:39:58.000
this thought that they're obviously smarter than
I am. I can listen to them

531
00:39:58.039 --> 00:40:00.880
talk and tell that they they've got
more going on upstairs than I do,

532
00:40:01.519 --> 00:40:06.920
and they're this bought into it.
They're smart enough to run these research projects,

533
00:40:07.000 --> 00:40:10.239
to do these things. These are
grown men that have had great careers,

534
00:40:10.320 --> 00:40:17.280
whether academic careers or military careers,
all very skilled in their various kind

535
00:40:17.320 --> 00:40:24.840
of areas of expertise and there because
they they believe that this is something work

536
00:40:24.960 --> 00:40:30.039
somewhere worth being and just wanting to
see that place that people like that think

537
00:40:30.280 --> 00:40:35.599
is worth exploring. I think that
was I think that was a big part

538
00:40:35.639 --> 00:40:38.199
of it, just because it was
this mythical place and still is to me.

539
00:40:38.320 --> 00:40:44.920
It hasn't lost in you that being
there further reinforce that belief that there's

540
00:40:44.920 --> 00:40:50.199
something special about that area in and
of itself. And I think even more

541
00:40:50.239 --> 00:40:53.880
than that having been there now the
way it was described as Jurassic Park as

542
00:40:54.079 --> 00:40:58.880
just at a jungle in the middle
of the United States, like that kind

543
00:40:58.920 --> 00:41:00.119
of thing, and then seeing it
and mean like, oh, that's a

544
00:41:00.440 --> 00:41:07.599
very accurate description of this place.
It was weird. There is something about

545
00:41:07.639 --> 00:41:08.840
it and I don't know what it
is. And I think Seth would say

546
00:41:08.840 --> 00:41:13.880
the same thing, there's something about
that place that feels different. Without going

547
00:41:14.079 --> 00:41:16.840
too deep into it. I've struggled
with real bad anxiety my entire life and

548
00:41:17.480 --> 00:41:23.159
had some real down moments with that
and removing I had no cell phone access

549
00:41:23.199 --> 00:41:30.119
I had because of how isolated this
place was. Nobody knew me from anybody

550
00:41:30.199 --> 00:41:32.559
in there. It was all a
group of people that were interested in the

551
00:41:32.559 --> 00:41:37.480
same subject, who could not communicate
with the outside world, and really the

552
00:41:37.519 --> 00:41:43.480
only communication they had was with each
other and interacting with whatever else is out

553
00:41:43.480 --> 00:41:49.360
there in that place. Something about
that I remember being so I don't know,

554
00:41:49.559 --> 00:41:54.039
at peace is the right word.
Almost like leaving it, you felt

555
00:41:54.320 --> 00:42:00.079
you could tell you were going And
I still remember like that feeling of just

556
00:42:00.400 --> 00:42:04.480
noe, not a care in the
world, because you are right there,

557
00:42:04.920 --> 00:42:07.519
like in that moment, and being
truly like in the moment, which is

558
00:42:07.599 --> 00:42:10.880
very difficult to do, I think
in just today's world, to just be

559
00:42:10.960 --> 00:42:15.760
present where you are, with the
people you're with, doing the thing that

560
00:42:15.800 --> 00:42:17.599
you're doing. And so I don't
know if that answers the question, but

561
00:42:17.679 --> 00:42:22.920
only that I think that there's just
something to that place in general, whether

562
00:42:22.960 --> 00:42:29.440
it's the stories or the isolation or
a combination of both, but it's a

563
00:42:29.519 --> 00:42:34.599
it's just a special place that's hard
to describe unless you've just buried yourself in

564
00:42:34.639 --> 00:42:37.239
those podcasts and the stories that come
from there. And then on top of

565
00:42:37.239 --> 00:42:40.760
that, if you ever have had
or have an opportunity to go into there,

566
00:42:42.280 --> 00:42:45.840
I think that's the only way that
actually makes sense to understand how might

567
00:42:45.920 --> 00:42:50.320
it might be different than some other
places that have as much or more activity,

568
00:42:50.719 --> 00:42:53.679
that don't have quite the same impact. I love that answer because it's

569
00:42:53.679 --> 00:42:59.400
absolutely true that whole situation has such
a cast of characters. You can really

570
00:42:59.440 --> 00:43:05.000
get into the information that's available about
it through different ways. Through Michael May's

571
00:43:05.000 --> 00:43:09.880
book, the NAWAC website has audio
you can listen to. There's multiple podcasts

572
00:43:09.880 --> 00:43:14.119
over the years that have hours and
hours of content. You can really get

573
00:43:14.159 --> 00:43:16.920
involved with the universe as it was, as it were. When it comes

574
00:43:16.960 --> 00:43:22.480
to Area X, it's pretty wild
to think about is the books of STM

575
00:43:22.599 --> 00:43:28.360
involvement with Area X is that closed
or could there perhaps be another chapter written

576
00:43:28.400 --> 00:43:31.440
in the future on it. I
think that there. I think that there

577
00:43:31.519 --> 00:43:37.360
was actually talk of Seth and I'm
making a return visit. I think initially

578
00:43:37.440 --> 00:43:43.400
we had thought it might have been
this last summer going back out there,

579
00:43:43.920 --> 00:43:46.119
and that the group is different now
than when we were there. There have

580
00:43:46.159 --> 00:43:50.960
been some members for one reason or
another, who have left the group and

581
00:43:51.000 --> 00:43:54.360
are pursuing the same subjects but in
a different way or in a different area.

582
00:43:55.039 --> 00:44:00.000
New leadership, I think in the
organization with the same overall goal as

583
00:44:00.079 --> 00:44:05.639
at least how I understand it.
So I wouldn't I would not never say

584
00:44:05.679 --> 00:44:09.480
never. I know that if given
the opportunity, Seth and I would hop

585
00:44:09.519 --> 00:44:14.320
in the car tomorrow and make the
same truck. So I wouldn't say never,

586
00:44:14.639 --> 00:44:19.840
but I would say that if that
was the first and last and only

587
00:44:20.000 --> 00:44:24.119
chapter of STM's journey into Area X, I would say it was a darn

588
00:44:24.159 --> 00:44:29.639
good chapter. And I can't imagine
it being any better than what it than

589
00:44:29.639 --> 00:44:32.800
what it was sands, the no
audio recording and whatever, and the questions

590
00:44:32.840 --> 00:44:36.599
that come along with that. But
never say never. I know I would

591
00:44:36.599 --> 00:44:39.360
go back. I know Seth would, if given the opportunity to who knows?

592
00:44:39.599 --> 00:44:44.960
Who knows? I know, and
that's a tricky question to ask and

593
00:44:45.000 --> 00:44:47.880
to receive. But man, just
throwing it out there, since you're CEO,

594
00:44:49.119 --> 00:44:53.599
Oh, if I can make it
happen, it'd be cool, No,

595
00:44:54.079 --> 00:44:58.239
Dug, I'll send flowers to whoever
they'll love them back in there.

596
00:44:58.360 --> 00:45:01.239
Give me the address. I'll send
them Applebee's gift cards, whatever they want.

597
00:45:01.760 --> 00:45:07.119
After you went through that situation,
Area X, and you said you're

598
00:45:07.159 --> 00:45:12.719
from Southeast Tennessee. Did this lead
to you going out and doing any research

599
00:45:12.800 --> 00:45:17.360
on your own or any other similar
situations going into bigfoot areas. Yeah,

600
00:45:17.400 --> 00:45:23.880
I think what it did was make
me realize that Oklahoma is not a place

601
00:45:23.880 --> 00:45:29.079
that traditionally you associate with Bigfoot.
If it wasn't for Area X, if

602
00:45:29.079 --> 00:45:32.559
it wasn't for what I know because
of Area X and the history pretty story

603
00:45:32.760 --> 00:45:37.719
history that Oklahoma has in the world
of Bigfoot, I wouldn't just thought off

604
00:45:37.760 --> 00:45:40.159
the top of my head. So
what it caused me to do was to

605
00:45:40.280 --> 00:45:47.400
reassess what I considered to be like
a feasible location for Bigfoot, which then

606
00:45:47.480 --> 00:45:52.199
caused me to reassess, like I
said, Southeast Tennessee, where I'm right

607
00:45:52.199 --> 00:45:59.880
here, close to the Cherokee National
Forest, there are Bigfoot stories that were

608
00:46:00.559 --> 00:46:06.039
over the years turned into paranormal stories
surrounding the Chickamauga Battlefield, which was obviously

609
00:46:06.079 --> 00:46:09.639
more isolated than it used to be
prior to the Battle of Chickamauga and the

610
00:46:09.679 --> 00:46:14.079
Civil War and now it being a
big tourist place to go. It was

611
00:46:14.519 --> 00:46:21.480
their stories there that involved something that
people that soldiers were seeing and they attributed

612
00:46:21.480 --> 00:46:23.480
it to a ghost. But when
you listen, when you read the stories,

613
00:46:23.519 --> 00:46:29.320
it's a Bigfoot story. There are
other places close to very close to

614
00:46:29.400 --> 00:46:31.360
me that I would have normally said, well, we don't have Bigfoot here,

615
00:46:31.519 --> 00:46:35.880
whatever, it's Tennessee, we don't
have you know, we don't have

616
00:46:36.079 --> 00:46:39.880
especially in these locations that I'm thinking
that's not that's it just doesn't make sense

617
00:46:40.000 --> 00:46:45.920
or whatever. And then knowing that
Bigfoot doesn't care Bigfoot is where Bigfoot is.

618
00:46:45.639 --> 00:46:50.480
It doesn't care about state lines or
anything. It cares about finding a

619
00:46:50.519 --> 00:46:55.039
place for that point in time where
it can stay as reclusive as it needs

620
00:46:55.039 --> 00:46:59.840
to be to survive and have enough
food to do so, and then move

621
00:46:59.880 --> 00:47:02.480
on so wherever that might be.
So I think it opened up my eyes

622
00:47:02.559 --> 00:47:07.039
to the idea that's possible, whereas
before maybe I wouldn't have even entertained it.

623
00:47:07.320 --> 00:47:14.400
And so yeah, since then,
I have definitely gone into the woods

624
00:47:14.960 --> 00:47:21.400
more specifically with the intent on or
not being closed off to the idea of

625
00:47:21.440 --> 00:47:24.440
having some sort of encounter, and
also just gone into the woods more in

626
00:47:24.679 --> 00:47:30.320
general, because the woods all of
a sudden had a different aura to it

627
00:47:30.480 --> 00:47:37.360
regardless of where it was, because
of just the possibility of something being there.

628
00:47:37.599 --> 00:47:43.320
When your fundamental view on what's possible
changes. But all of a sudden,

629
00:47:43.360 --> 00:47:50.039
like everywhere looks like like a place
to explore with unknown, unknown findings

630
00:47:50.119 --> 00:47:52.079
just waiting for you once you get
in there and digger around. So in

631
00:47:52.159 --> 00:47:57.400
a roundabout way, it made almost
I think every trip going into the woods

632
00:47:57.679 --> 00:48:02.320
an opportunity to relive that moment in
one way or another. I think,

633
00:48:02.440 --> 00:48:06.639
so, yeah, definitely. I've
always been in the woods. I've always

634
00:48:06.760 --> 00:48:12.119
enjoyed being outside and doing outdoor things
and hiking and climbing and that kind of

635
00:48:12.159 --> 00:48:14.719
stuff. But it takes on a
different thing, especially when you have a

636
00:48:14.800 --> 00:48:17.880
kid. I remember when my little
boy was younger. He's eleven now,

637
00:48:17.920 --> 00:48:21.880
but when he was younger, we'd
go in the woods. We hear something

638
00:48:21.960 --> 00:48:27.159
fall and we both stop and look
around, and I could tell what was

639
00:48:27.159 --> 00:48:29.239
going through his mind, even though
he wouldn't say it out loud, and

640
00:48:29.280 --> 00:48:31.239
it just made me happy. All
of a sudden, I had that sense

641
00:48:31.280 --> 00:48:36.559
of wonder that I was seeing.
And at the time he was gosh,

642
00:48:36.639 --> 00:48:40.679
he was probably five or six when
I'm thinking back, like we were both

643
00:48:40.679 --> 00:48:44.800
in the same place at that moment, met the dad and him the kid,

644
00:48:44.960 --> 00:48:49.239
just like my dad and I did
something moves in the woods, and

645
00:48:49.280 --> 00:48:52.559
all of a sudden. Your first
thought isn't squirrel or raccoon, it's what

646
00:48:52.599 --> 00:48:57.239
if that? What if someone's watching
us? What if there's what is right

647
00:48:57.280 --> 00:49:00.039
here? And so I've encouraged that
since then him. So it's led to

648
00:49:00.079 --> 00:49:04.159
a lot of fun times in the
woods for sure. Oh that's great.

649
00:49:04.159 --> 00:49:08.280
That is so cool that you're able
to involve your kid like that's very important.

650
00:49:08.320 --> 00:49:13.000
I feel that we do that as
parents. First, thank you so

651
00:49:13.079 --> 00:49:17.360
much for sharing what you experienced in
Area X is fantastic. We had talked

652
00:49:17.400 --> 00:49:23.239
about Momo for a second, and
I don't want to miss talking about that

653
00:49:23.280 --> 00:49:28.679
for a little bit. Do you
have any funny behind the scenes stories about

654
00:49:28.840 --> 00:49:32.440
the whole Momo experience, because there's
some interesting people there. Yeah, No,

655
00:49:32.559 --> 00:49:37.039
there were some cool stuffs. I
was talking to Heather Moser the other

656
00:49:37.119 --> 00:49:45.639
day on her The Lord You Know
podcast and she asked something about a story

657
00:49:45.639 --> 00:49:47.519
from a film or something like that, like a behind the scenes thing,

658
00:49:47.599 --> 00:49:52.840
and Momo had several of them.
I think just because the nature of the

659
00:49:52.880 --> 00:49:58.280
way that Seth wanted to wanted to
make that movie, it being part campy

660
00:49:58.400 --> 00:50:01.559
narrative part documentary, which is super
interesting. To be able to blend those

661
00:50:01.599 --> 00:50:07.440
two. It lent itself to a
lot of opportunities for just overacting or under

662
00:50:07.559 --> 00:50:12.559
acting, or acting in a way
that you imagined someone would back at the

663
00:50:12.599 --> 00:50:16.719
time that supposedly the series that was
presented as Wild Blackburn series back in the

664
00:50:16.760 --> 00:50:22.280
seventies, how those actors would be. So there was interacting with Ken,

665
00:50:22.559 --> 00:50:27.400
who was in the big in the
Momo costume. Interacting with him was funny

666
00:50:27.400 --> 00:50:32.440
because the costume was intentionally campy and
not realistic, but very cool. There

667
00:50:32.519 --> 00:50:37.599
was We all stayed, at least
just the crew and then a couple of

668
00:50:37.639 --> 00:50:43.320
the crew slash actors, myself and
the kids who were in the movie all

669
00:50:43.320 --> 00:50:45.360
stayed in a similar location, if
not in the house where we shot a

670
00:50:45.360 --> 00:50:49.719
lot of it. And I went
in one day, I think it was

671
00:50:50.039 --> 00:50:52.880
I think it was to use the
restroom maybe, but went into one of

672
00:50:52.920 --> 00:50:58.960
the bedrooms in the house, into
the bathroom and opened the door and it

673
00:50:59.000 --> 00:51:05.639
was hot, and there was Ken
half in the Bigfoot costume, and the

674
00:51:05.679 --> 00:51:09.480
smell was horrendous, just terrible.
And that's not Ken. That's being in

675
00:51:10.280 --> 00:51:19.079
a momo costume for hours and hours
in ninety degree heat. And just the

676
00:51:19.239 --> 00:51:23.480
juxtaposition of this guy who I believe
he's a semi professional wrestler. So he's

677
00:51:23.599 --> 00:51:30.119
huge, standing there in half of
a bigfoot costume, like looking just woefully

678
00:51:30.239 --> 00:51:35.719
at me, like I'm so hot, dude, I'm so hot, so

679
00:51:35.800 --> 00:51:39.679
hot. It was just a comical
moment, just like a snapshot of that

680
00:51:39.760 --> 00:51:44.880
moment. Oh, this is what
independent filmmaking looks like. This is not

681
00:51:45.039 --> 00:51:51.400
Hollywood, but this is weird.
Like we're working all within a budget and

682
00:51:51.920 --> 00:51:55.159
we're all in the same place and
it's real hot, and we're the guy

683
00:51:55.239 --> 00:52:02.159
playing me, playing Edgar Dad who's
having these momo encounters. Just happens to

684
00:52:02.199 --> 00:52:06.119
open the bedroom door because you need
to go to the bathroom, and there's

685
00:52:06.199 --> 00:52:12.719
Momo half momo with a large semi
professional wrestler in the costume looking like he's

686
00:52:12.719 --> 00:52:15.599
getting ready to pass out from dehydration
and just looking like, dude, I

687
00:52:15.639 --> 00:52:21.599
get it. You know that kind
of thing. It's just I'm all about

688
00:52:21.639 --> 00:52:27.280
those moments that are just like comical
in a very twisted way. So that

689
00:52:27.400 --> 00:52:30.800
was in Ken's Ken is the Sweet
Guy's. He was a lot of fun

690
00:52:30.840 --> 00:52:32.880
to be around. That kind of
thing happened pretty regularly. There was a

691
00:52:32.960 --> 00:52:38.239
car in the movie. There was
a Seth actually bought a vintage Volkswagen Beetle

692
00:52:38.480 --> 00:52:43.840
just for that movie, and I
want to say he still has it in

693
00:52:44.039 --> 00:52:49.360
storage somewhere. It's such a cool
car. But having to push that thing

694
00:52:49.559 --> 00:52:52.559
down to the area we needed it
to be to film the scene and just

695
00:52:52.679 --> 00:52:58.239
trying to the tires spinning and mud. Obviously, a Volkswagen Beetle, unless

696
00:52:58.280 --> 00:53:00.320
you are not using it for its
intended purpose, is not an off road

697
00:53:00.360 --> 00:53:04.480
vehicle. So it didn't like that
too much, you know, getting that

698
00:53:04.559 --> 00:53:07.559
thing stuck and then pushed back out
and you know, dealing with it,

699
00:53:07.639 --> 00:53:12.880
start raining and we'd all pile into
the to the beetle to stay dry.

700
00:53:13.559 --> 00:53:15.400
That kind of stuff that I don't
know. It was very cool to be

701
00:53:15.440 --> 00:53:19.800
a fly on the wall, Like
just said, I'm not acting in every

702
00:53:19.840 --> 00:53:23.280
scene, and so just to be
able to watch just everybody scramble to make

703
00:53:23.400 --> 00:53:30.119
this independent film and everybody there really
nobody's getting rich doing this, just doing

704
00:53:30.159 --> 00:53:34.760
it because just love the subject and
want to make something cool for other people

705
00:53:34.840 --> 00:53:37.679
to watch too. So yeah,
there were a lot of things like that.

706
00:53:37.840 --> 00:53:40.039
Yeah, those are great stories.
Thank you for sharing a little bit

707
00:53:40.079 --> 00:53:45.199
behind the scenes. There's very cool
stuff I've been a fan of STM for

708
00:53:45.400 --> 00:53:50.880
years, and there would I can
almost one hundred percent say there would be

709
00:53:51.079 --> 00:53:55.840
no big faciety without the influence of
STM, just because it had that much

710
00:53:55.880 --> 00:54:00.920
of an influence. That's really cool
and also cool. I was involved with

711
00:54:01.000 --> 00:54:05.840
Andrew Peterson filming the interviews for Terrors
and the Tear in the Skies, and

712
00:54:06.400 --> 00:54:09.239
he had me do the questions off
camera for the interviews, and it was

713
00:54:09.280 --> 00:54:15.159
halfway during that interaction that I realized
that I love interviewing people and that hey,

714
00:54:15.320 --> 00:54:17.960
I should just start a podcast to
see what happens it. Literally it

715
00:54:19.119 --> 00:54:22.320
really helped me out. That's so
cool. But I want to make sure

716
00:54:22.599 --> 00:54:27.079
that we let's take a few minutes. There's something special going on with STM

717
00:54:27.159 --> 00:54:30.000
right now. You've guys got you
have the kickstarter going on right now,

718
00:54:30.119 --> 00:54:34.199
and I think it's a really important
if you could share what's going on with

719
00:54:34.239 --> 00:54:37.719
that and what STM has coming up
in the next year and all that good

720
00:54:37.719 --> 00:54:39.880
stuff. Yeah. Yeah, for
sure. I don't want to make this

721
00:54:39.920 --> 00:54:44.199
a big advertisement or anything, but
it does tie in, like directly with

722
00:54:44.280 --> 00:54:50.440
everything we were talking about. Every
year Small Town Monsters does a kickstarter campaign

723
00:54:50.599 --> 00:54:55.639
essentially to help fund projects like Momo, like on the Trail of Bigfoot series,

724
00:54:55.679 --> 00:55:00.559
which the time that we spent in
Area X was a part of that.

725
00:55:00.039 --> 00:55:04.239
There's a campaign every year. Essentially
what we do is say here are

726
00:55:04.239 --> 00:55:07.480
the movies that we have. We
go ahead and begin to produce some of

727
00:55:07.519 --> 00:55:09.920
the content, artwork, things like
that, and then we have a big

728
00:55:09.960 --> 00:55:15.159
live stream and we have people who
have joined us over the years and watched

729
00:55:15.360 --> 00:55:19.920
the company grow along with me,
Like I'm still a fan of small Town

730
00:55:19.920 --> 00:55:22.400
Monsters. I'm still a fan of
Seth Breed Love and the movies and whatever.

731
00:55:22.639 --> 00:55:28.800
So I was right there too several
years ago and still am just watching,

732
00:55:28.880 --> 00:55:31.000
Oh what are they going to do
this year? And give people an

733
00:55:31.039 --> 00:55:37.000
opportunity to help us fund these projects
if it's something that they're enjoying and the

734
00:55:37.199 --> 00:55:42.119
subjects that I think are sometimes difficult
to find new stuff on. We'll have

735
00:55:42.159 --> 00:55:47.079
a Kickstarter campaign where essentially people get
on and we'll donate a certain amount of

736
00:55:47.159 --> 00:55:52.159
money to help us fund it,
to fund these films and then return get

737
00:55:52.400 --> 00:55:57.360
all kinds of at the very least, get the movies when they come out,

738
00:55:57.920 --> 00:56:00.760
and then up to if somebody really
wants to help out, can be

739
00:56:01.519 --> 00:56:05.679
an executive producer, a producer or
an executive producer in the movie and have

740
00:56:05.800 --> 00:56:09.239
names and credits, get limited edition
poster art from the movies that are coming

741
00:56:09.280 --> 00:56:14.880
out. Jeane Saint Jean has done
these this crazy cool collection, so he

742
00:56:14.960 --> 00:56:22.079
creates these statues that are literally it's
art of these kind of creatures throughout the

743
00:56:22.159 --> 00:56:25.320
years that are featured in the Small
Town Monsters movies, and they're exclusive to

744
00:56:25.360 --> 00:56:29.920
the STM movie. So you can
purchase, you know, statues from him

745
00:56:30.199 --> 00:56:34.519
that are you know, just generic, really cool kind of cryptids, but

746
00:56:34.559 --> 00:56:38.760
then specific limited runs that are made
for Small Town Monsters themselves. In return

747
00:56:38.800 --> 00:56:43.760
for helping us out with those things, you get some tiers, will get

748
00:56:43.960 --> 00:56:46.519
access to those and then have them
just delivered straight to you. And then

749
00:56:46.559 --> 00:56:52.679
also maybe most importantly, just knowing
that all of that goes to helping us

750
00:56:52.679 --> 00:56:58.480
make these movies that I think we've
all enjoyed, regardless of your Small Town

751
00:56:58.519 --> 00:57:01.599
Monsters staff or somebody that's just discovered
it, like movies that we all like

752
00:57:01.719 --> 00:57:05.679
and we all want to see more
of. And so every year it's gotten

753
00:57:05.679 --> 00:57:08.559
bigger and grown, we've become more
ambitious with what we'd like to do,

754
00:57:09.159 --> 00:57:13.920
and I think at this point we're
doing things that we had always heard that

755
00:57:15.079 --> 00:57:17.239
ourselves and those interested in the subject
wanted to see, but just wasn't out

756
00:57:17.239 --> 00:57:21.679
there. We've gotten to a point
now where we can actually just start making

757
00:57:21.760 --> 00:57:25.880
those for everyone and selfishly for ourselves
too. So that just started. That

758
00:57:27.000 --> 00:57:32.639
started that we had to kick off
was on the second of February and we

759
00:57:32.679 --> 00:57:37.599
had a big party where we had
some giveaways and things like that, and

760
00:57:37.639 --> 00:57:42.840
then the campaign itself actually runs through
the end of February, so it runs

761
00:57:42.920 --> 00:57:47.559
I believe it's exactly thirty days.
I think it ends on the second of

762
00:57:49.320 --> 00:57:52.920
March, where you can still you
can continue to donate, you don't have

763
00:57:52.920 --> 00:58:00.199
to attend to live stream essentially to
benefit from all the different levels of rewards

764
00:58:00.239 --> 00:58:04.199
and tears. We have, like
I said, limited run posters of all

765
00:58:04.239 --> 00:58:07.800
the movies, so this year we
have we also have hoodies and t shirts

766
00:58:07.880 --> 00:58:13.920
that are done several different designs with
the creatures from the movies by Jonathan Dodd

767
00:58:14.119 --> 00:58:17.119
did some really cool artwork for us. There. We have a statue of

768
00:58:17.199 --> 00:58:21.079
goat Man, which is one of
the movies this year, which is a

769
00:58:21.119 --> 00:58:25.280
really obviously unique cryptid difficult to find
content on goat Man unless you really know

770
00:58:25.320 --> 00:58:30.639
where to look. So we're going
to change that. And then, like

771
00:58:30.679 --> 00:58:34.440
I said, obviously supporting the films
and getting your name and the credits and

772
00:58:34.599 --> 00:58:38.320
copies of all of the movies physical
and digital copies, things like that.

773
00:58:38.440 --> 00:58:42.599
So that's what's going on right now. So this is the biggest month of

774
00:58:42.679 --> 00:58:46.840
US for the month for us of
the entire year. This is really where

775
00:58:46.880 --> 00:58:51.800
we know what we're going to be
able to produce and put out for people

776
00:58:51.840 --> 00:58:55.320
over the next year or too.
Really, oh absolutely, And it's like

777
00:58:55.480 --> 00:58:59.800
the way I look at it is. Another thing I really like is I

778
00:58:59.840 --> 00:59:06.639
love when the Mandalorian was coming out
from Disney Plus, and so I'm a

779
00:59:07.000 --> 00:59:09.840
subscriber of Disney Plus because I want
Disney to come out with more Mandalorian.

780
00:59:09.960 --> 00:59:15.280
It's the same way if you like
what Small Town Monsters has come out within

781
00:59:15.360 --> 00:59:20.400
the past, this is a way
for you to make the stuff keep coming.

782
00:59:20.800 --> 00:59:24.599
And also I mentioned how it's hard
to find goat Man stuff right The

783
00:59:24.639 --> 00:59:30.559
thing I like about STM is that
you're making content about things that might not

784
00:59:30.639 --> 00:59:32.400
be out there. For example,
you're coming out with a documentary on the

785
00:59:32.440 --> 00:59:38.079
land between the Lakes dog Man,
and part of the kickstarter is you're able

786
00:59:38.119 --> 00:59:44.159
to get the hardcover book from Aaron
Deese about the dog Man LBL and that

787
00:59:44.280 --> 00:59:47.440
is just it's a very cool thing. It's really cool. I think that's

788
00:59:47.480 --> 00:59:51.599
another piece that I don't want to
like gloss over. A lot of the

789
00:59:51.639 --> 00:59:53.599
content you find, as far as
book wise, about these subjects is a

790
00:59:53.639 --> 00:59:57.920
bit older. Now there's a few
newer ones, but a lot of it's

791
00:59:58.079 --> 01:00:00.079
a bit older, or you're looking
at digit little copies of it, things

792
01:00:00.199 --> 01:00:05.000
like that. We are a fan
of physical things. I think we're all

793
01:00:05.039 --> 01:00:08.039
just a bit nostalgic. So part
of the kickstarter is, like you said,

794
01:00:08.199 --> 01:00:15.480
hardcover versions of Aaron's book about Land
between the Lakes another big thing,

795
01:00:15.639 --> 01:00:17.039
just throwing it out there while I'm
thinking about it. Maybe one of the

796
01:00:17.079 --> 01:00:22.599
biggest announcements I think that we made
is small Town Monsters is going to have

797
01:00:22.719 --> 01:00:30.239
a television channel called Unexplained TV where
we're going to get to just go wild

798
01:00:30.440 --> 01:00:34.280
and dig deep into a bunch of
topics that we've not gotten to look at

799
01:00:34.400 --> 01:00:38.599
yet, or look further into some
that we have dug into. And it's

800
01:00:38.599 --> 01:00:45.880
not directly associated with the Kickstarter.
But the kickstarter definitely makes those projects possible

801
01:00:45.719 --> 01:00:50.920
to make sure that we have the
resources to create new content to go on

802
01:00:51.320 --> 01:00:53.559
those platforms. And this TV channel
is going to be free to everyone,

803
01:00:54.159 --> 01:00:58.119
and it's going to be a place
where you're going to get to say,

804
01:00:58.159 --> 01:01:00.159
oh, hey, Wednesday is where
wolf winds day, Like we all love

805
01:01:00.719 --> 01:01:05.840
dog Man were Wolf stuff, Like
Wednesdays at eight o'clock, the family sits

806
01:01:05.880 --> 01:01:09.360
down and we watch Unexplained TV because
they've got a werewolf documentary on a dog

807
01:01:09.400 --> 01:01:14.800
Man documentary are It's going to be
you know, made possible by the Kickstarter,

808
01:01:14.960 --> 01:01:16.519
And we're not saying hey, give
us money and enjoy the stuff.

809
01:01:16.559 --> 01:01:20.159
We're saying, hey, help us
make this stuff and let us give you

810
01:01:20.199 --> 01:01:22.400
some cool stuff in return, which
I think is really cool. Like you

811
01:01:22.440 --> 01:01:25.679
said, if you like this kind
of content and you want to consume it,

812
01:01:25.880 --> 01:01:30.760
like you like a TV show or
a streaming service that creates a piece

813
01:01:30.800 --> 01:01:36.199
of content that you like, it's
great if you can help support that creator

814
01:01:36.239 --> 01:01:37.639
and allow them to make more of
those things that you like. Because we,

815
01:01:38.079 --> 01:01:42.119
contrary to what a lot of people
think at Small Town Monsters has done

816
01:01:42.159 --> 01:01:46.880
a great job of positioning itself is
like a kind of an innovator in this

817
01:01:47.480 --> 01:01:51.559
little, weird space that we all
love so much. But we're still a

818
01:01:51.599 --> 01:01:57.880
small company and just trying to make
stuff that we understand that people who are

819
01:01:57.880 --> 01:02:00.360
interested in these things like too,
like us. So it's a huge it's

820
01:02:00.400 --> 01:02:05.360
a huge help. It really is
like a community company. It's so important

821
01:02:05.519 --> 01:02:08.000
that we have the support to do
what we to do what we need to

822
01:02:08.039 --> 01:02:12.199
do. I know that probably sounds
like a sales pitch. It's really coming

823
01:02:12.239 --> 01:02:15.440
from the heart though. It's a
labor of love for all of us,

824
01:02:15.480 --> 01:02:17.280
and like I said earlier, none
of us are getting rich off of it.

825
01:02:17.360 --> 01:02:21.639
We just want to make cool stuff
that we want to watch ourselves.

826
01:02:21.760 --> 01:02:23.880
I also wanted to make sure,
since we're talking about STM stuff, that

827
01:02:23.920 --> 01:02:30.440
we'd spend a few minutes talking about
Monsterfest two, which you guys did chat

828
01:02:30.480 --> 01:02:35.320
a lot about during the kickoff that
you guys had. If listeners don't know,

829
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Monsterfest two is coming up in beautiful
Canton, Ohio. It's a way

830
01:02:38.719 --> 01:02:44.440
where you can listen to podcasts.
Live speakers all be there doing a live

831
01:02:44.519 --> 01:02:47.599
podcast, big for society, and
do you mind talking a few minutes about

832
01:02:47.599 --> 01:02:52.519
that Adam, No, absolutely not. Last year we had our inaugural monster

833
01:02:52.599 --> 01:02:58.840
Fest, again coming from what sounds
like a selfish place of wanting to create

834
01:02:58.920 --> 01:03:04.360
like a call, one that had
the speakers and the activities and the opportunities

835
01:03:04.400 --> 01:03:08.840
that we enjoy not only as people
that are in this world, but also

836
01:03:08.960 --> 01:03:13.639
people who love this community itself.
And there are a lot of good ones

837
01:03:13.639 --> 01:03:17.559
out there. But we tried to
look at our audience and the people that

838
01:03:17.599 --> 01:03:21.480
have been supporting us, and what
would they like to see. We're all

839
01:03:21.480 --> 01:03:25.199
big fans of podcasts, and we're
all big fans of Bigfoot Society. Obviously,

840
01:03:25.239 --> 01:03:30.599
wouldn't it be cool to have to
have the Bigfoot Society do a podcast

841
01:03:30.679 --> 01:03:35.119
live from an event from from somewhere
and be able to attend that. Wouldn't

842
01:03:35.119 --> 01:03:39.320
it be cool to have the guys
from Astonishing Legends do a live podcast.

843
01:03:39.639 --> 01:03:43.880
Where do I get cool Bigfoot stuff? Like? Where do I can't?

844
01:03:43.920 --> 01:03:46.400
How do I go find a cool
T shirt with Bigfoot on it that I

845
01:03:46.440 --> 01:03:51.920
can't is unique? Where do I
learn to cast a Bigfoot track? What

846
01:03:51.960 --> 01:03:54.400
if I found one? Where do
I learn to better charge my batteries so

847
01:03:54.440 --> 01:03:59.679
I can catch Bigfoot? Like howling
at night when I'm in Oklahoma like all

848
01:03:59.679 --> 01:04:02.800
of these cool things, and beyond
that a place where everywhere you can do

849
01:04:02.920 --> 01:04:06.960
that with other people who appreciate all
of it as well. So we had

850
01:04:06.960 --> 01:04:12.280
this event last year that was a
small town monsters event that we put on

851
01:04:12.800 --> 01:04:17.079
that I don't want to say surprisingly
but did surprisingly well for the first year.

852
01:04:17.199 --> 01:04:21.199
The feedback was great, not only
from people who were there as vendors

853
01:04:21.239 --> 01:04:27.760
and speakers, but people who just
intended to see the family again more or

854
01:04:27.840 --> 01:04:30.840
less be able to be around like
minded people. So it was such a

855
01:04:30.840 --> 01:04:33.079
big event, such a great success, especially for our first year. We

856
01:04:33.159 --> 01:04:36.760
immediately had people asking about next year. When is it next year, and

857
01:04:36.840 --> 01:04:40.760
we decided we need to do another
one. Then that one was so good.

858
01:04:41.159 --> 01:04:45.239
So this year it is, like
you said, it's in in Canton,

859
01:04:45.239 --> 01:04:49.000
Ohio. So it is going to
be June twenty eighth and twenty ninth.

860
01:04:49.760 --> 01:04:58.480
So on the twenty eighth there is
a premiere film at the can Palace

861
01:04:58.559 --> 01:05:02.559
here and then the fi Owing Day
as an all day event in downtown Canton

862
01:05:03.079 --> 01:05:09.400
where we'll have like I said,
live podcasts, vendors with unique stuff that

863
01:05:09.400 --> 01:05:13.039
you're not going to see anywhere else, as far as Bigfoot and Mothman and

864
01:05:13.159 --> 01:05:16.440
dog Man and a lot of just
guests in general. So you're going to

865
01:05:16.440 --> 01:05:19.559
be there, which I'm very excited
about. We're going to have I believe

866
01:05:19.639 --> 01:05:23.920
low Blackburn is going to be there. Like I mentioned, the guys from

867
01:05:24.000 --> 01:05:28.039
Astonishing Legends are going to be doing
a live podcast there. If you go

868
01:05:28.079 --> 01:05:32.000
to small Town Monsters Instagram page,
you'll see we've dropped that the guests that

869
01:05:32.039 --> 01:05:36.000
are going to be there throughout the
last couple of months. It is coming

870
01:05:36.039 --> 01:05:43.159
home for all of us that are
dispersed throughout the country to come together and

871
01:05:43.239 --> 01:05:45.159
have a lot of fun over a
couple of days and just talk about the

872
01:05:45.159 --> 01:05:47.880
stuff that we're interested in that maybe
we don't get to talk about very often

873
01:05:48.119 --> 01:05:53.840
because, like I said, we're
a unique little group, but a strong

874
01:05:53.960 --> 01:05:58.320
group nonetheless. So yeah, So
that's that's June in Canton, and there's

875
01:05:58.360 --> 01:06:01.400
information on small Town Monsters Dot about
that. Like I said, the Instagram

876
01:06:01.440 --> 01:06:05.039
page, you can see a lot
about that there, along with guest lists

877
01:06:05.079 --> 01:06:09.920
and things like that. You can
book rooms at our hotel in Canton,

878
01:06:09.960 --> 01:06:14.239
but there's a block of rooms that
are reserved for us there and it actually

879
01:06:14.280 --> 01:06:19.280
takes place there at the hotel's convention
area center. I said, we're new

880
01:06:19.320 --> 01:06:24.559
casting clinics this year, along with
a couple of other things. Will have

881
01:06:24.559 --> 01:06:27.320
food, food trucks. Yeah,
so it's a good time. So this

882
01:06:27.400 --> 01:06:30.320
will be a year number two.
Your number one was a great success,

883
01:06:30.400 --> 01:06:34.199
so this year we'll hopefully step that
up even another level. It's a super

884
01:06:34.199 --> 01:06:39.679
exciting event, and you want to
make sure in case stuff changes after this

885
01:06:39.840 --> 01:06:43.039
interview. If you got a small
Town Monsters dot com and then there's a

886
01:06:43.079 --> 01:06:46.039
Monster Fest page that has all the
current info. But the thing that I

887
01:06:46.159 --> 01:06:51.840
found was even to tag on even
more what happened last year when I was

888
01:06:51.880 --> 01:06:57.159
there was the people I met that
I thought I would never meet were incredible.

889
01:06:57.199 --> 01:07:01.440
I met people like less Odell,
Robert Morgan was there signing his books,

890
01:07:01.480 --> 01:07:05.119
and it was just it made for
these incredible interactions that were just like

891
01:07:05.320 --> 01:07:12.239
such an incredible benefit to going to
the actual fest itself. It's a really

892
01:07:12.239 --> 01:07:14.760
cool time. Yeah, it's a
lot of fun. It's a ton of

893
01:07:14.760 --> 01:07:16.719
fun. If nothing else, come
hang out as a small Town Monsters booth

894
01:07:16.840 --> 01:07:20.559
and help me hand out T shirts. It was wild last year, but

895
01:07:20.599 --> 01:07:25.000
in the best way, as a
ton of fun. Absolutely, it's a

896
01:07:25.000 --> 01:07:29.239
good time. Adam. I'm so
thankful we were able to get you on

897
01:07:29.440 --> 01:07:32.559
to chat about what happened to you
guys in Area X. Such a fun

898
01:07:32.599 --> 01:07:36.960
conversation today. Thank you for coming
on. Yeah, dude, absolutely,

899
01:07:38.039 --> 01:07:41.599
I really appreciate it. Do you
mind in the last few minutes taking a

900
01:07:41.599 --> 01:07:46.440
minute to remind listeners how they can
keep up to date with what small Town

901
01:07:46.480 --> 01:07:51.440
Monsters is doing. Yeah, for
sure. We are pretty much going to

902
01:07:51.480 --> 01:07:56.360
be on any social media platform that
you want to jump on. I'd say

903
01:07:56.400 --> 01:08:00.400
that probably the biggest, most active
one is going to be Instagram. Look

904
01:08:00.440 --> 01:08:03.519
for small Town Monsters on Instagram.
We will be there. We do lots

905
01:08:03.519 --> 01:08:09.199
of little lives there along we just
update some projects and things. Facebook is

906
01:08:09.239 --> 01:08:13.320
the same way. Small Town Monsters
dot com is going to be the hub

907
01:08:13.360 --> 01:08:15.359
for everything, and we'll at least
get you where you need to go if

908
01:08:15.359 --> 01:08:19.760
you're not sure where to go.
And then specifically right now obviously the Kickstarter,

909
01:08:20.479 --> 01:08:26.239
if you go to kickstarter dot com
and if you search for small Town

910
01:08:26.319 --> 01:08:30.159
Monsters, and then you'll soon be
able to find us on a bunch of

911
01:08:30.520 --> 01:08:34.439
different platforms with small Town Monsters unexplained
TV pretty much wherever you want to go,

912
01:08:34.479 --> 01:08:39.720
and then my Instagram is the weird
side of normal if you wanted to

913
01:08:39.760 --> 01:08:43.640
specifically, can go chase me down
and ask questions stuff like that. Awesome,

914
01:08:43.760 --> 01:08:45.760
Thank you so much Adam for coming
on. Thank you again. Just

915
01:08:45.800 --> 01:08:49.399
wanted to take a few minutes to
say thank you to you all my listeners

916
01:08:49.520 --> 01:08:55.479
for listening to the podcast. Please
take a minute to help out the show

917
01:08:55.600 --> 01:08:59.960
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01:09:03.680 --> 01:09:08.920
if you're listening to us on a
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sure that you're subscribed, share the
show with a friend. Really, it's

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01:09:13.560 --> 01:09:16.880
all about sharing the show wherever you
can. If you've had a Bigfoot encounter

922
01:09:17.000 --> 01:09:21.920
related to the following or know someone
who has, please reach out to me

923
01:09:23.319 --> 01:09:28.560
at Bigfoot Society at gmail dot com
or pass on my email. Here's the

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01:09:28.640 --> 01:09:33.720
list. Number one encounters from Franklin
County, Texas. Number two encounters from

925
01:09:33.720 --> 01:09:39.199
the entire state of Iowa. Number
three encounters from Oakridge, Oregon or the

926
01:09:39.239 --> 01:09:44.239
surrounding area. Number four any individuals
that know about Bigfoot being flown off after

927
01:09:44.279 --> 01:09:47.880
the Mount Saint Helens eruption. Number
five individuals that have had a bigfoot encounter

928
01:09:47.960 --> 01:09:53.600
well in the military. Number six
those that have had a bigfoot encounter in

929
01:09:53.640 --> 01:09:59.319
the southern New Hampshire or north central
Massachusetts area including Franklin County, Massachusetts.

930
01:10:00.119 --> 01:10:03.000
Seven individuals that have had a bigfoot
encounter in a Bible camp or boy Scout

931
01:10:03.079 --> 01:10:08.119
camp setting. Number eight individuals that
have had bigfoot try to enter their house

932
01:10:08.159 --> 01:10:13.600
forcibly while they were living inside.
Number nine individuals that have actively have a

933
01:10:13.760 --> 01:10:17.279
bigfoot living on their property. And
lastly, any sightings that are in the

934
01:10:17.319 --> 01:10:25.239
Watchitaw National Forest Area of Oklahoma or
Arkansas. A special thank you to all

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01:10:25.359 --> 01:10:30.279
the Bigfoot Society, Patreon and YouTube
channel members. It's your support that helps

936
01:10:30.319 --> 01:10:34.199
keep the show going and I extremely
appreciate it. I'll see you back next

937
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time. Listeners. New shows on
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