The Dangers of Bluff Creek / Post BC19 Expedition with Tate Hieronymus and Ron Read

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People fell down. Several times,
we were dark, shins were bloodied and

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cut. If we kept going,
someone was going to get really hurt.

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Welcome back to another episode of the
Big Society Podcast. In this episode,

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I talked to good friends of the
podcast, t Aeronymous and Ron Reid and

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Bandit Too all about their BC nineteen
expedition out there in northern California in what

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actually all went down. So you're
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with this week's episode at the Bigfoot Society

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Podcast. All right, Big Society, you've got the privilege of talking to

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mister Tate, Haronymous and mister Ron
Read about their BC nineteen expedition. They

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are still out there in the California
area, the northern California area. But

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Tate and Ron, how are we
doing today? Beat up and battered?

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Yeah, I've heard some things and
I've read some things, but I haven't

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read and watched all of it because
I wanted to hear the story directly from

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you guys. Yeah, that's probably
good. Let's start with this. Where

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are you guys at right now.
We're actually on the side of the China

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Flat Museum in Willow Creek, California. Yeah, that's where they have a

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lot of the famous big Foot collection, the footprints, original footprint casts of

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Bob titmus Al Hodson and like all
these just different original tracks from the Bluff

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Creek area here. That's awesome.
So it's like the museum where you have

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the very large wooden cut out of
the big Foot on the side of the

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museum, right Yeah, Yeah,
that's right there. We're pretty close to

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the Jim McClaren Omas statue as well. Yeah. I had some biscuits and

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cravy, some hash browns at the
big Foot Steakhouse. It's like my place

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to go to at any time here
in town. So yeah, it's the

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first time Ron had a steak there
at the big Foot Steakhouse. Ron,

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how is bandit doing? Band It's
doing good. He's anxious right now because

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there's some dogs just in the across
the field here. Even more dogs are

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coming. Yeah, people, everyone's
bringing their dogs here. To hang out

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in the shade next to the museum. I don't know what that's about.

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But he's doing okay. He's been
walking around with me. He's been following

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me on all my my little adventure
up and down the trails looking for hair

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samples out in Bluff Creek. So
he's he's doing pretty good right now.

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I don't want to assume that all
listeners know who you guys are, because

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I do have some new ones because
of recent episodes. So do you mind

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if we take a few minutes,
I'll have you introduced what listeners should know

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about who you are, and then
we'll head on over to Ron. Yeah,

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let me address the elephant in the
room. So any people listening there's

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a lot of background noise is because
we're in town and we're doing the interview.

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We had the scheduled, so we
did the first roe with you a

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while back before this trip and this
is the and so we're in town doing

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that. That's what the background noises. But that's to get the elephant out

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of the elephant in the room to
address that. But okay, me on

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t Horonymous, I'm a big Foot
researcher. I've been researching big foot in

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California, Florida, a couple of
times in Oregon, once in Washington,

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kind of all over US. And
then I'm working. I've been working on

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my documentary series Sasquatches Search for SAB
and that's what we're currently up here for.

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So that's a little bit about me, all right. If I name

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Gron, I've been a researcher for
for oh gosh, I'm like as a

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as an armchair and field researcher.
I've almost hit twenty years. I think

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it's like I'm like eighteen years in
it. But I manage a Facebook page

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called Trailing Giants where I'm gonna have
some content blossom from that. And uh,

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I I don't know. I guess
I'm a big foot researcher and I've

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got a little training and certification in
environmental Field Technician role and and that's got

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some emphasis on conducting outline surveys and
stuff like that. And then my dog

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band It has been my big footing
travel companion for twelve years now, and

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he is a he's a great dog. Listeners if you haven't already there,

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well, there's like seventy episodes would
take because he's the man and there is

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one full episode with Ron. I'll
have those linked in the show notes so

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you can go back and find out
some more about these guys from earlier as

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well. But you guys are specifically
out there in northern California for the expedition,

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really excited to hear how that when
the great news is that you guys

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are alive, which is you know
number one. We can tell that because

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we're talking to you. But how
did things go, you guys, Well,

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we didn't really go nineteen miles.
We went not even one mile.

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Let's just let's just address that real
quickly. We were kind of aware,

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like at the beginning part of the
hype was going to be really really like

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hard, but we didn't think it
was going to be like a constant battle

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the whole way through with no breaks
in between. So you know, it

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started out fine, but nature has
a really good way of humbling you,

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and it just shows you how hard
the terrain hit is here in the area.

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And we how far did we get? We do even get a mile

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and a mile in and then hiped
a mile out and we were physically exhausted

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and drained, and it's like if
we kept going, we were going to

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get hurt and hit. Moral was
really good and suggesting that we turned around

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and go back in camp at this
one spot we kind of saw earlier in

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the day, and that's basically what
we did. We hiked up and we

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turned around and went back because we
were just all just exhausted. My feet

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were killing me, just people fell
down several times. We were our shins

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were bloodied and cut and if we
kept going, someone was going to get

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really hurt. And so Ki made
a suggestion and we all agreed on it,

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and that's what we did, and
because of it, everything worked out

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for the best. I'm pretty sure
that that kip probably saved at least one

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life or kept people from getting very
hurt. So I'm glad that you guys

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made that decision. Yeah. The
weird thing was when we were doing it,

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It's like when we were standing up
and walking, we felt like we

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had an energy, but as soon
as we down and lay down for a

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minute, our bodies could feel the
fatigue, and we're like, oh man,

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yeah, if we kept going,
we were for the daylight ends and

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you're walking downstream and it's not like
little rocks. You're boulder hopping over like

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five foot tall boulders and blogs and
bushwhacking and crazy creek crossing and and some

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of the creek crossing areas the current's
pretty strong and you're up to your waist

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in it. So it was definitely
a wise decision to do what we did.

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And even though even though we didn't
reach our goal, you know,

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we still got to see areas of
Bluff Creek. I don't think anybody is

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seen, and I don't know how
long. Yeah, I mean we only

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made it that one mile up,
but we didn't see a single piece of

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trash or litter, nope, from
any any time. Like I was expecting

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to see like an old with cours
can from like forty years ago, some

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drunk that made his way up there. But not even not even that.

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Just like, no, no trash
rappers, know anything like that. Was

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that was a little weird, just
and just so that listeners are aware,

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if you forget, forget the other
interviewed, you were hiking up the middle

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of the creek, which I mean, these are rapids, very high water.

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You're trying to you know, go
over wet, wet logs and stones

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and potentially almost twisting your ankle or
worse. Yeah, yeah, it was

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definitely not for the faint of heart. And I think the other reason we

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turned around it because we realized our
packs are also just a lot of weight.

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Like without our packs, it would
have been a lot more doable.

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I think we were talking about this
when we camp at night, where it's

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like thinking, man, if you
really wanted to do this, you could,

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but it would still be a pain
in the block. You would have

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to have like a twenty pound pack, but just the bare essentials of stuff.

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Yeah, and that's really about it
essentially, Like we had determined,

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like you'd have to run the shoot
the four mile distance until our next checkpoint

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with ultralight gear that if you got
hurt, you could overnight it and you'd

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have provisions, right like, but
like, yeah, to get such a

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load out down to a science,
you'd really have to like be into backpacking

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for several years. Like I think
I had some I have some suggestions to

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get that weight down, but then
I don't know. It's it's it was

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just like we weren't really equipped for
ultralight hike and the conditions were just were

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pretty brutal, unforgiving, and there
would there was never a survey or anybody

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of information of how long that was
going to be like that, and whether

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or not there would be game trails
we could dive off and walk for half

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a mile or so. We were
really hoping there would be something working in

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our favor, and then once we
started our hike, it was just the

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same or working against us conditions like
the whole mile. And it wasn't addicted

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that that was going to continue for
a four miles stretch, Yeah, because

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it wasn't. It wasn't like you
boulder hops a few boulders for about fifty

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feet and then there's like one hundred
feet of you know, flat creek walk.

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No, it was like boulder hopping
by foot rocks and another five foot

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boulder hopping creek crossing, then you
bushwhacked and you go back into the creek.

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Then you boulder hopped over into the
more bushwhacking. It was just one

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thing after another. I took the
first spill of the hike. No,

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I don't think anybody saw that so
on GoPro And honestly, it was kind

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of refreshing pulling down that cold water
creek because you get todd up there when

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you're hiking that. But nobody,
nobody got seriously or hurt, which is

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the main thing. And again,
it's just a cool story to tell now,

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and then it's gonna it's gonna give
us a lot more information when we

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revisit this and revisit this in the
future. For sure, absolutely, Ron,

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How did how did it Bandit do
with going through that water? It's

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it seemed like it was pretty deep
from what I've heard, so it we

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find out that the water wasn't really
the issue with Bandit. So, I

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mean there was stuff that none of
us would cross, right, there was

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white water torrents. You know,
even if we dug in our poles and

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we just fought it, we were
still gonna we were top heavy and we

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would have tumbled over and all of
our camera equipment would have been ruined.

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So we were avoiding a lot of
the water that would sweep Bandit downstream,

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because it's sweep anybody downstream. Bandit
had some trouble like getting up and over

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the bowl there, and you know, looking at it now, I mean,

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he's he's a thirteen year old dog
and I don't really know. I

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mean, we were wondering if he
could navigate his own way around some areas

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along stream banks, but those steep
canyon walls wouldn't really allow him to do

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that. So I mean, I
literally I had like a life jacket on

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him with a handle, and I
picked him up like a suitcase for every

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rock, every boulder that I had
to then climb up myself and bandit kind

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of the smart old man, and
he just kind of looked at me and

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was like, I'm not going to
try to jump over that. I can't

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do that, you know, so
he really just had to eat once I

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picked him up and lifted him to
that level. But that started to take

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a toll on like my lower back
after doing that for a full day,

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you know, seven or eight hours
of hiking, and it's like and I

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was lifting a sixty pound pack and
a seventy pound dog, and it was

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like it was a little bit too
much after a while, and I started

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to feel that strain, and I
knew that if I left Bandit to his

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own devices, he was just going
to stay in one spot or or injure

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himself trying to navigate around. So
he a little bit, but mostly he

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just kind of looked at me like
I'm not capable of doing this, so

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you're helping me, right, dad, you know, right, yeah,

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there you go. Yep, dear
the dog Dad. So you gotta make

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it happen. The water aspect of
it. That was one thing is his

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bandit was as little as he would
put effort. He was tired, you

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know, being lifted and picked around
and and stuff. But when we get

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in the water, he still had
enough reserve strength. I was kind of

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impressed with him. He was still
a strong swimmer and all I had to

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do was like guide him in the
right direction when we got across the stream

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crossings. He's he's become quite the
swimmer. We've been doing a little bit

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of swimming and creeks and stuff,
and I put his life jacket and that's

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kind of like, you know,
as he's older and he has a little

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bit of arthritis and stuff, we
do that what they call it aqua therapy

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or something like that, you know. And uh and you know, so

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so that was really in some cases
that was a strong suit. But there

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are a few times Tate had to
wait halfway out and catch him before he

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got swept into a current. So
definitely work that we had to work out,

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Like you know, Jonathan had to
help me pick band it up a

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little bit and Tate had to wait
out and meet me halfway and some of

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the stronger currents. We'll be back
with more big Foot society after these words

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from our sponsors, and I'd hand
off the dog to him. I'd crossed

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twice because I'd crossed, dropped my
pack, come back for the top three

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times. Yeah, yeah, I
had to wait back out. Yeah,

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so I had to go across the
stream crossings like three times. And then

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uh, Like Kip was staying pretty
busy trying to find the pathways that all

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of us could walk, you know, his situational awareness as a retired fire

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firefighter, Like he was really like
blazing the trail and helping us find out

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where to where to plan our feet. And it was in flazing the trail.

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I think it was a team effort
because we would look at a creek

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crossing be like, hey, what
do you think about this? Where should

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we cross? There's really a methodical
of how we would do it so we

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wouldn't get hurt. I was the
rock climber. I tried to get the

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high ground and look down and see
what we could see. So every time

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everybody had an important role in the
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maybe if it had been other people, things would have gone worse, you

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know. Yea, like you never
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like I know, with a group
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it went really well. Yeah,
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It was funny because the day of
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dwarf. He was like, yeah, I'm not not feeling good, so

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I'm going to stay back and we
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last wedding. Go how many people
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nineteen then, so it was myself, Ron kit Moral and Jonathan Easily and

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bandit. Okay, gotcha. Were
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the of that that mile of hike? Oh yeah, oh yeah we did.

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Yeah. So that'll be out in
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for Sabway episode to me now probably
in a few months. It'll also be

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in Western Bigfoot Explorations documentary Jonathan Easley's
and then I'm sure you were gonna have

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all working into something somewhere on Facebook
at all. Yeah, So yeah,

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the hike. You know. Unfortunately
we didn't reach our goal, but things

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worked out for the best. And
you know what, there's gonna be a

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lot of people. There's definitely a
lot of eyes looking at me. I

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know that because I talked about it
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it's like we do. The people
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balls to do it, and we
all parts of bluff people that nobody's seen

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him a long time, and you
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better. Especially it helps us to
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we revisit this in a couple of
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you know, we talked about this
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us, you know, hindsights twenty
twenty, you know, and you didn't

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you going into it. We don't
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so like now, like all the
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well how do we get in this
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get this beforehand, you know,
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You know, if we reattempt something
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do some more scouting and take a
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I think bandit's retired from any any
bluff creek hiking, you know, he's

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I would never ask him to go
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so we we do plan on revisiting, revisiting this in the future.

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We have a better game plan.
I don't really want to say what that

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is because for what I don't really
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our game plan and getting hurt because
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what the plan is. But we
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we have a longer timeframe of what
the time frame should be to do the

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hike, because you know, the
place where we're gonna start out next time,

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you could hike up a one mile
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So you don't really know how bad
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miles of that creek, I think
maybe five or six miles of it,

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maybe eight has been explored total,
So that's still like ten miles of creek

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that's unexplored. Yeah, so that
could all be very bad. You know,

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you decided we're not going to go
any further, and you had the

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emergency camp you had to make emergency
camp. Can you talk a little bit

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about what that was like to have
to make an emergency camp that wasn't the

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place that you were planning to stay
at that night. Yeah, so it

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was let me put this in perspective, like boulder crossing, you're talking about

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five foot rocks and then one after
another bushwhagging, Like, how can they

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only make not even a mile in
a day? How many hours it take?

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It took like four or five hours
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Yeah, I thought we did six
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right, six or five or six
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long time. That just shows you
how bad the terrain is. And then

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you had it. There's four more
miles you would have to do and I

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think there was only four hours of
daylight and left with four miles ut of

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creek walking. Yeah, there's no
way we're gonna make it. And so

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to make the decision, it was
a little disappointing, but it was the

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right call in the end, like
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place we found wasn't terrible. It
was actually pretty cool. Yeah, I

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didn't mind it. It was actually
after taking some time to get the camp

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read us, it's kind of comfortable. It worked, you know. Yeah.

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I think Ron was like, if
you spend a couple more days or

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you could get it pretty nice to
camp out for a few days. Yeah,

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you had to, you had to. I was constantly digging rocks out

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from under my back as I was
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once you get a good bed laid
out, then it wouldn't be bad.

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Feel like you're underneath this overhang.
There's like a creek right there. You're

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you're where nobody can get to you, so you're pretty safe from human wise,

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any animal. I take it.
You'll hear him coming for sure.

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And the stars are beautiful right there, and it's pretty cool cowboy camping just

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on the creek like that, and
cowboy camping on the creek where nobody is

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probably cowboy camper camps ever. Yeah, so that's cool. So as far

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as I know, we're the first
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special. And at the end of
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spot that was pretty remote, which
which is awesome. And it sounds like

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in the future this may lead to
even further expedition, which would which would

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be very cool. So after,
did you guys go back to the headwaters

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to exit the expedition or what was
your kind of you know, how did

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you leave this whole creek area?
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have to exit and restarted from uh, either side, you probably canyon walls

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that you're not going to climb out
of those, You're gonna have to walk

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back to the way you came.
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hike, and we had to walk
down the same stream, which hiking downstream

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is actually more dangerous than hiking upstream
because when you're hiking downstream slippery rocks,

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the current is working with you and
it gets up your feet a lot easier

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than if you're walking against the current, Which that sounds kind of backwards,

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but it's not. I think anybody
who's done a lot of creek walking would

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probably say the same. It's better
to go upstream than downstream if you're doing

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a creek there's a lot less risk
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so after after you made it out
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assume you're making some phone calls.
Was that was it then go up to

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the film site or what was the
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to make new plans pretty quick of
what you were going to do. I

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would guess, Yeah, we kind
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hike idea to table it for a
future year and then we're just kind of

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focused on doing research at that point. So we stayed. I think we

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stayed at the cell site. We
went down to the burm one night.

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We went down and then we just
drove our all around the whole Bluff Creek

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area camping or have different spots and
stuff like that. And that's really how

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the rest of the trip went,
was just paying up different spots we wanted

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to camp out for a few nights, and you know, it worked out

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okay, So it wasn't it wasn't
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It was all good. You know. Obviously, like I said, there's

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gonna be a lot more planning we're
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so when we do it, we
can we can get to our goal

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and reach it, you know and
stuff. But we did go down to

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the film site for a few hours. Yeah, we hung out. We

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had a good time down there.
Yeah. And then actually the day we

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were gonna go to No Go Valley, we actually went to the film site

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instead, but there was was it
a couple? I think it was a

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couple right that, Yeah, it
was Aaron. I can't it was Aaron,

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and I can't remember what his name
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they recognized us, apparently because Jonathan
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guess she's like, oh, I
know you, Jonathan, and she's like,

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watched Jonathan's videos. And then I
came up, Oh, it's Hue

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Tate and then I was like,
Ron's over there with Banda and she's like,

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oh my god. And she saw
us from like small town Monsters and

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stuff. And she had Robert Lyderman's
Bluff Peak Project book and so we me

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and Ron signed that for her and
Jonathan Ron I took pictures with her and

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was it her boyfriend or husband,
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man, I don't know whoever whoever
she was with, We took pictures with

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them and stuff. So that was
cool. We got recognized for our hard

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work. There you go, There
you go. So how was the how

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did the film site look when you
guys got down there, to look the

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same as the last time you were
or any any changes. I think some

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of the gravel got redistributed from from
some some waters, some rains and stuff

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and snow melt. Yeah, it
looks a little more clear in there because

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the block the Bluff Freed project.
They'll just kind of remove dead trees that

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have fallen over to kind of clear
the path. They don't cut any live

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trees at all, so it's just
more so just clare cutting, just like

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dead fall and dead trees and broken
over, just kind of getting those out

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of the way. So they have
so the film site can be less cluttered.

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So that's kind of what they do. I don't want to have you

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give away the farm tape because I
know you are coming out with some things

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for your YouTube channel. Is there
any interesting things that happened when you guys

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were camping around the area there?
Should I say? No comment? What

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do you think? It's? No? No comment? All right? All

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right? Fair enough? Hey?
Who else? Who else was with the

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group once? I would assume the
group was bigger once you guys got you

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were at Low's camp, right,
Uh, we never actually camped at last

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camp, you know, but no, like after the hike, it was

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still it was me. After the
hike, we went to Twin Lakes and

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it was you, me, Robert, Robert, sun Patrick, Stevie,

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Terry, and Richard. He capt
a couple of nights, he had a

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he had an interesting thing was his
car that happened, So that was fun.

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Yeah, he's got quite the blog
right up and a video as well.

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I'll have those links in the show
notes so people can check that out

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too. But it sounds like Richard
had quite the time getting out of there,

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and then there was what should we
mention? What happened? We'd oh,

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what what wo him? Like star
walking you know the hill? Yeah,

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I don't know, man, Yeah, we we don't have to know.

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We don't have to We had we
had some some more uh misadventures with

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bandit. You know. She was
uh kind of customed with how dark it

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is out there, and I'm pretty
convinced, like he can still pretty he

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can still see pretty good at night, but without any like light pollution and

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and without like a full moon,
like he couldn't see all that well.

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And so we were hiking some high
ridges and Bandit like stumbled off and an

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edge and like like s down twenty
something fat and grab them and help them

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get back up. We'll be back
with more big Foot Society after these words

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from our sponsors. So we had
a lot. This was like the trip

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of close Calls. There really was
the whole BC nineteen and all of the

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the danger from that. We had
bandit fall off a cliff, we had

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a flat like Richards, like a
flat tire and stuff. Oh yeah,

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really bad. And then and then
we had I almost messed up my car.

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You got stuck on a rock and
we had a wench. Yeah,

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but I mean we're no worse for
wear, but wow, yeah, I

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think that was that's, if anything, that's what made the trip pretty memorable.

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It's like all the misadventures that we
had. Every trip we come up

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here seems to have a theme for
the whole trip. Like last year the

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theme was finding evidence. This year
the trip was close Calls twenty one.

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It was just a bunch of action
we were getting. So it's like each

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year has a different theme and you
never know what the theme was going to

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be. Were we lucky in terms
of like finding Bigfoot this year, I

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don't know. We'd we'd we'll never
know our audio recordings and stuff that we

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haven't played back yet. But but
in the sense of, like, did

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we come out of bluff creak alive
despite the presence of danger. Yeah,

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so we're still lucky in that regard. We're joking about the DC nineteen hike

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for like after after you know,
after hike interviews, and we're like,

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we put one of our arms in
our shirts and like, what was what

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did you say? Acteel like you're
we're gonna end up losing limbs just at

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the end of the post interview would
be like, well we learned something,

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but well, we did learn something, but we still have all of our

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limbs, so that's good. So
all of our limbs are attached to our

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body. Who was it, Who
was it that called it the BC one?

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Oh, I think I think I
heard Kip and Jonathan say it too.

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I think it was kind of job
the DC one. You should make

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T shirts with the nine crusted out. That awesome, But it's for good

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reason. That was the BC one. So oh man, we're gonna return

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with vengeance and we're gonna we're gonna
accomplish the hike. And as far as

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I know, I think I think
that one thing I took away from it

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too, was we went through such
rough country that Bigfoot himself wouldn't go through

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there. No, So it's it's
easier for me to say, well,

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hey, we were thinking about alternate
access points, and now that that idea

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does make a lot of sense,
because nothing's just going along those barren canyon

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walls and just hanging out, you
know, like that's that's like where you

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chase the Foot at the end of
the Monster movie. It doesn't have anywhere

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to go, and then all the
hunters like shooting, Like, yeah,

407
00:33:24.720 --> 00:33:29.319
but that's not a place he would
actively choose to go and live, you

408
00:33:29.359 --> 00:33:35.240
know. No, no, no, it's not even a place where animals

409
00:33:35.279 --> 00:33:38.200
should choose to go. There's no
rhyme or reason for them to go in

410
00:33:38.279 --> 00:33:45.200
that canyon. Yeah, there's better
water access throughout six Rivers. So we

411
00:33:45.240 --> 00:33:50.279
just went there because we thought we
could, and then then we had to

412
00:33:50.319 --> 00:33:55.839
reevaluate a little bit. So yeah, Like so it was cool, cool

413
00:33:55.880 --> 00:33:59.720
to see what we saw, and
you know, it's experienced what we all

414
00:33:59.759 --> 00:34:06.960
won't forget, and like I said, I'm excited to revisit this in the

415
00:34:06.960 --> 00:34:14.000
future. Absolutely, so there's a
there's gonna be a lot things that we

416
00:34:14.079 --> 00:34:17.679
do a lot differently at this time, but we're planning a longer time frame,

417
00:34:19.400 --> 00:34:22.280
stuff like that, and there's always
gonna be naysayers about this hike.

418
00:34:22.400 --> 00:34:28.400
I know that people are going to
comment we're doing this now. They're gonna

419
00:34:28.400 --> 00:34:32.760
say some kind of garbage, you
know how it goes Jeremiah, Yeah,

420
00:34:32.800 --> 00:34:37.719
maybe, but who cares. That's
that's where I'm That's where I'm at.

421
00:34:37.800 --> 00:34:45.039
You know, they can say what
they want, so it's it's whatever.

422
00:34:45.719 --> 00:34:52.440
Hey, I've got a question that
maybe I'm gonna you know, maybe an

423
00:34:52.440 --> 00:34:55.320
observant listener might have picked up on
on this when you said it. But

424
00:34:57.559 --> 00:35:00.760
what is this? Uh no,
go Valley? You you spoke of really

425
00:35:00.840 --> 00:35:06.639
quickly, So then go Valley as
a code name. We gave a place

426
00:35:06.719 --> 00:35:12.199
that I cannot say the name at
all, and what it is I don't

427
00:35:12.199 --> 00:35:15.960
really I don't really want to say
too much about it, so I know

428
00:35:16.039 --> 00:35:21.599
there is a lot of people who
will be listening and nit picking at it

429
00:35:21.960 --> 00:35:24.559
and trying to figure out where it
is. So we call it the valley

430
00:35:24.840 --> 00:35:29.000
out of respect. And that's really
all I want to say about it.

431
00:35:29.039 --> 00:35:35.159
Publicly. Sure sounds like it could
be a pretty squatchy place. Maybe we'll

432
00:35:35.199 --> 00:35:40.639
find out more in a future documentary
episode. Who knows it was in?

433
00:35:42.159 --> 00:35:49.119
It was in my California episode first
one I released, We no go Valley

434
00:35:49.159 --> 00:35:52.559
place, but a lot more there
this time. Yeah, we did a

435
00:35:52.559 --> 00:35:54.880
lot more there this time. But
we call a no go Valley just out

436
00:35:54.920 --> 00:36:01.840
of respect. And I think anybody
who really knows the area might know what

437
00:36:01.920 --> 00:36:08.760
we're talking about. But outside that, yeah, nobody's gonna know and do

438
00:36:08.840 --> 00:36:15.960
it that way because like I said, it's it's being respectful of people in

439
00:36:15.960 --> 00:36:23.480
the area and other people who go
to this area too. So yeah,

440
00:36:23.760 --> 00:36:29.760
that's really that's what that is.
Absolutely. You know, something I like

441
00:36:29.840 --> 00:36:35.280
about you guys is that you you
do very unique research methods. And this

442
00:36:35.320 --> 00:36:42.079
can be anything from you know,
tape playing bass or musical instrument, or

443
00:36:42.559 --> 00:36:49.239
you guys sometimes having I think you
had a disco ball type thing once or

444
00:36:49.280 --> 00:36:53.599
even like a didgery. Dude,
Were you able to incorporate any unique unorthodox

445
00:36:53.800 --> 00:36:59.679
methods that you can talk about this
time? Yes, yeah, so I

446
00:36:59.719 --> 00:37:02.400
can't out with a couple of things
in my arsenal on this trip. One

447
00:37:02.400 --> 00:37:07.159
of the things I got was a
hunting blind that they have blinds now that

448
00:37:07.960 --> 00:37:14.159
when you when you're looking from the
outside, you can't really see anything on

449
00:37:14.199 --> 00:37:17.960
the inside, but then when you
walk in, it's like a one way

450
00:37:19.440 --> 00:37:22.800
window and you can actually see throughout
the entire wall. So we sat in

451
00:37:22.880 --> 00:37:29.480
some hunting blinds a few times and
had some other people kind of out squatching,

452
00:37:29.599 --> 00:37:31.800
like knocking and whooping, and just
kind of waited to see if anything

453
00:37:31.840 --> 00:37:37.960
approached. It was kind of cool
to have that technology and to sit kind

454
00:37:37.960 --> 00:37:42.880
of in a blind and change our
approach a little bit and go stealth,

455
00:37:44.519 --> 00:37:49.719
like go stealth mode a few more
times. But ultimately I don't think that

456
00:37:49.800 --> 00:37:52.559
really like nothing really became of that, but it's something that could work in

457
00:37:52.559 --> 00:37:57.599
the future. We keep utilizing that, yeah, sure. But the other

458
00:37:57.639 --> 00:38:00.320
thing that I think we leaned more
into because it was way more fun for

459
00:38:00.440 --> 00:38:07.840
us, was we had a a
big Bluetooth speaker and a sound activated laser

460
00:38:07.960 --> 00:38:15.440
light show that would that would generate
images like laser images of like dolphins and

461
00:38:15.519 --> 00:38:21.039
like when women dancing and stuff and
like, and we projected like far up

462
00:38:21.079 --> 00:38:24.719
in like like a hundred feet away
into some like big trees and play music

463
00:38:24.800 --> 00:38:30.880
to it, and uh, we're
playing like eighties like eighties music, you

464
00:38:30.880 --> 00:38:34.679
know, like time cop and stuff
like that, and then we're just playing

465
00:38:34.679 --> 00:38:40.320
absolutely absurd songs. Yeah, there's
there's one we played last night called the

466
00:38:40.360 --> 00:38:45.880
Fart Song. Yeah, we camped
out of a place called Bean's Camp and

467
00:38:45.039 --> 00:38:49.920
uh, and then we we finished
off our squatch research to the Fart Song

468
00:38:50.000 --> 00:38:54.639
at Bean's Camp. And it's literally
just like eighties style song with just farts,

469
00:38:54.760 --> 00:39:00.960
like like techno and yeah, sound
effects. I'm definitely gonna have to

470
00:39:01.000 --> 00:39:09.800
have that linked in the show notes
for sure. And it's so good.

471
00:39:09.840 --> 00:39:14.639
But yeah, we were that was
the last song we played that night.

472
00:39:15.639 --> 00:39:21.000
That is funny. Tell me more
about Bean's Camp. I don't think I've

473
00:39:21.000 --> 00:39:28.320
heard of this one before. Hold
on, so we have we have a

474
00:39:28.360 --> 00:39:30.880
dog encounter going on. Oh okay, yeah, all right, take care

475
00:39:30.920 --> 00:39:44.639
of the dog. You're okay?
No, that Bean's Camp. I've learned

476
00:39:44.639 --> 00:39:46.599
about Bean's Camp all, you know, since I've been coming up here.

477
00:39:46.639 --> 00:39:52.880
But we finally got to camp there
this time. That was my first time

478
00:39:52.920 --> 00:39:57.119
camping there. It's a cool little
camp ground. There's like three camp there's

479
00:39:57.119 --> 00:40:00.880
three little camp spots. There's like
a little pond area, yeah, like

480
00:40:00.920 --> 00:40:06.079
a watering hole. Yeah, and
then this is like the only this is

481
00:40:06.119 --> 00:40:08.920
like the only fixed bathroom, like
you would have a public campground in the

482
00:40:08.960 --> 00:40:14.239
Six Rivers or the Bluff Creek area. I would say, yeah, so

483
00:40:14.280 --> 00:40:17.079
that was kind of cool. But
the problem with it is there was like

484
00:40:17.280 --> 00:40:24.360
no refuse in the actual toilet area. There's just water. There's a ton

485
00:40:24.440 --> 00:40:30.760
of mosquitoes in it. So I
would spray like mosquito spray down in the

486
00:40:30.760 --> 00:40:35.719
hole, the hole where the toilet
is, and like hundreds of mosquitos would

487
00:40:35.760 --> 00:40:38.880
just come flying out. And then
you saw the picture I sent earlier in

488
00:40:38.880 --> 00:40:44.920
the group chat. But I don't
know what it is about the deer and

489
00:40:44.960 --> 00:40:49.119
the Bluff Creak area, man,
but they're very bold. I will come

490
00:40:49.199 --> 00:40:52.639
up to you, like within ten
feet of you. And then this one

491
00:40:52.719 --> 00:40:57.039
deer one a couple of nights ago
in our camp that beans camped, just

492
00:40:57.079 --> 00:41:00.840
came right up there next to my
car and I was two feet away from

493
00:41:00.840 --> 00:41:06.719
it, just filming it like nothing
that was going on. It was a

494
00:41:06.800 --> 00:41:09.800
weirdness, say, but it was
really cool. So yeah, it's strange.

495
00:41:12.400 --> 00:41:14.719
Deer are weird out of here?
Are there a lot of deer in

496
00:41:14.760 --> 00:41:19.119
that area. Yeah. Yeah,
a lot of deer and a lot of

497
00:41:19.119 --> 00:41:23.280
bear really entered the area I was
doing. I'd be walking along the trails,

498
00:41:23.360 --> 00:41:29.960
game trails and like camp trails and
old roads and stuff, and I

499
00:41:29.960 --> 00:41:35.159
think I took like I took samples
hair samples from like seven or eight different

500
00:41:35.199 --> 00:41:39.360
areas out here in the Bluff Creek
area that like they were they were banged

501
00:41:39.440 --> 00:41:45.360
up, chewed up trees and there's
always hairs on them. And uh,

502
00:41:45.320 --> 00:41:52.079
but that's pretty pretty typical like bear
like marking. They're like marking their scent

503
00:41:52.159 --> 00:41:54.719
and chewing up a tree and and
uh, you see that along the game

504
00:41:54.719 --> 00:42:00.039
trails a lot. But it was
It's still kind of astounded me because we

505
00:42:00.079 --> 00:42:02.599
found a couple of them like that
last year and this year is like every

506
00:42:02.599 --> 00:42:06.119
camp we went to, i'd like
come back to my car after like a

507
00:42:06.119 --> 00:42:08.960
ten minute, HI could be like
take some more hairs, and then grabbed

508
00:42:08.960 --> 00:42:15.679
my little evidence kit and walked back
out. Yeah, it'll be interesting to

509
00:42:15.800 --> 00:42:21.360
see if anything happens. It sounds
like, yes, some quite a bit

510
00:42:21.360 --> 00:42:22.840
of hair samples. That'll be cool. Just I don't know if you're able

511
00:42:22.880 --> 00:42:28.039
to send those off or I'm sure
you have some plan for those ron good

512
00:42:28.079 --> 00:42:31.440
thing. The good thing about like
especially we found this out last year when

513
00:42:31.440 --> 00:42:37.239
we were at Meldrums and we looked
at several hair samples at his lab and

514
00:42:37.760 --> 00:42:43.400
at Idaho State University was we realized
that there were Even though the bear might

515
00:42:43.440 --> 00:42:46.719
have shoot up the tree to market
and markets territory and stuff, it was

516
00:42:46.760 --> 00:42:51.760
still on an established game trail,
so other animals would brush up against the

517
00:42:51.800 --> 00:42:57.719
sticky resin from the bleeding sap,
and so other animal hairs were found on

518
00:42:57.760 --> 00:43:01.039
the bear tree essentially. So so
I tried to find as many different looking

519
00:43:01.079 --> 00:43:05.400
hairs as I could from each spot. And I think, you know,

520
00:43:05.440 --> 00:43:09.679
if I start filtering through them,
we might get a couple of different hair

521
00:43:09.719 --> 00:43:16.199
types and we might have to compare
them to what we can interesting. That's

522
00:43:16.840 --> 00:43:20.400
the thing is he might a bear
might have chewed up the tree and left

523
00:43:20.400 --> 00:43:22.880
a lot of its hair, but
you might find some deer or elk or

524
00:43:22.920 --> 00:43:27.360
some other animal hairs on it as
well. And that means big foot too.

525
00:43:28.559 --> 00:43:35.480
Yeah, guys, have you have
you heard of any recent in counters

526
00:43:35.599 --> 00:43:39.599
or sightings of any sort in that
area in the areas that you were before

527
00:43:39.639 --> 00:43:45.079
you got there. No. The
only thing, yeah, we heard of

528
00:43:45.239 --> 00:43:52.440
was those tracks that Todd Samples and
Doug Shay found and we we we we

529
00:43:52.880 --> 00:43:59.960
we talked to them allows Camp,
we interviewed them, so we talked about

530
00:44:00.079 --> 00:44:02.719
it. We went to go,
we went to the mile market that they

531
00:44:02.760 --> 00:44:08.599
found the tracks at, and we
like. But the way Bluff Creek is,

532
00:44:09.079 --> 00:44:14.679
the ground is so dry and hard
packed, it's not really good for

533
00:44:14.760 --> 00:44:22.159
tracks. It would have to be
in really soft soiled like near creeks or

534
00:44:22.239 --> 00:44:28.599
right near like a little pond area. Other than that, you're just gonna

535
00:44:28.639 --> 00:44:31.159
have scuff marks in the ground that
something did go through there, but you

536
00:44:31.199 --> 00:44:39.280
don't know what it is. So
unfortunately, finding tracks is extremely hard here.

537
00:44:40.360 --> 00:44:45.920
But that's why I todder Than got
so lucky, is because especially on

538
00:44:46.000 --> 00:44:52.280
the Go road, it's it's thirty
miles of road that cuts through the Bluff

539
00:44:52.280 --> 00:44:55.679
creaky area, so it's just like
a private highway for animals, especially in

540
00:44:55.679 --> 00:45:02.039
the wintertime, and it easier to
walk that in the wintertimes and walking through

541
00:45:02.119 --> 00:45:06.480
ridges and stuff. So a lot
of animal's gonna be walking on that,

542
00:45:06.519 --> 00:45:10.559
and it makes sense like that sasquatches
would utilize that and it would be easier

543
00:45:10.599 --> 00:45:15.280
to find a track in the snow
than the wood anywhere else in Bluff Creek

544
00:45:15.480 --> 00:45:22.639
during the summer. So yeah,
I think I think people looking for tracks

545
00:45:23.280 --> 00:45:27.880
in the wintertime, especially here,
might have their chance and looking for them

546
00:45:27.880 --> 00:45:37.760
in the summer here. We'll be
back with more Bigfoot Society after these words

547
00:45:37.840 --> 00:45:45.800
from our sponsors. It'll be interesting. I hope, I can. I

548
00:45:45.840 --> 00:45:52.719
can hope that perhaps Todd and Doug
might make an appearance in one of your

549
00:45:52.760 --> 00:45:57.440
episodes. We'll see fingers crossed.
It was fun talking to them on Bigfoot

550
00:45:57.480 --> 00:46:01.239
Society. They are just a blast, so we'll see. Yeah, I

551
00:46:01.360 --> 00:46:06.719
really like them. They're cool guys. Deluge Shade plays guitars. He had

552
00:46:06.760 --> 00:46:10.239
like three guitars and we were playing
some guitars with them when we got to

553
00:46:10.280 --> 00:46:15.800
allows camp and everything. And he
has a pretty cool rig for camping,

554
00:46:15.880 --> 00:46:20.639
so that's that was cool. Nice. He's like, you're in the area,

555
00:46:20.639 --> 00:46:22.000
you can stay with us. I'm
like, heck, yeah, well

556
00:46:25.440 --> 00:46:30.840
do you? Yeah exactly. That's
the thing, you know. From one

557
00:46:30.880 --> 00:46:36.119
I chat with him, it's like
they are the home team. They have

558
00:46:36.239 --> 00:46:40.000
the home team advantage. They're able
to just pretty much go whenever they want,

559
00:46:40.079 --> 00:46:45.000
which is pretty pretty solid that you
have great researchers there that are in

560
00:46:46.199 --> 00:46:51.840
close proximity. Do this is a
question for both of you guys. Do

561
00:46:51.920 --> 00:46:59.639
you view the area that that film
site area as an active Bigfoot area or

562
00:47:00.280 --> 00:47:07.880
a historical area that is kind of
kept up as a memorial. I think

563
00:47:07.880 --> 00:47:15.639
it just depends on where the big
Foot are really at that given moment,

564
00:47:16.039 --> 00:47:20.559
because you can have a really squatchy
area that's known for really good activity,

565
00:47:20.679 --> 00:47:22.000
but there's not there, so you're
not gonna get any action if you're there,

566
00:47:22.000 --> 00:47:28.559
you know. It's the true thing
with the whole needle in the haystack.

567
00:47:30.280 --> 00:47:35.239
The film site has trail cares everywhere, so I don't knows maybe that

568
00:47:35.360 --> 00:47:43.159
plays a part in it or not, but I feel like I feel like

569
00:47:43.199 --> 00:47:47.840
the film site area is squatchy because
just above that the berm, there's some

570
00:47:47.840 --> 00:47:53.039
stuff that happens there that's pretty weird
all that, and that's like maybe that's

571
00:47:53.079 --> 00:47:58.159
like not even a mile from like
as the crow flies from the film side

572
00:47:58.199 --> 00:48:02.159
of the berm, and there's some
more things that happen there. And then

573
00:48:02.320 --> 00:48:06.679
above that there's there's some things that
happened in the cell site, which is

574
00:48:06.719 --> 00:48:13.440
just above that quite literally, just
the general area allows camp. It's only

575
00:48:13.480 --> 00:48:16.440
five miles from there. As the
co flies, there's weird stuff that happens

576
00:48:16.480 --> 00:48:21.840
there. So the whole area is
active. It just depends on what time

577
00:48:21.840 --> 00:48:24.599
of year you go. And then
if they're there any time of the year,

578
00:48:24.639 --> 00:48:30.519
I should say it's pretty good.
It just depends on if they're there

579
00:48:30.599 --> 00:48:35.039
or not at that time. I
So, so this might be getting into

580
00:48:35.119 --> 00:48:40.519
like some of the conclusions that I
draw later on or some of the things

581
00:48:40.519 --> 00:48:45.199
that Kate and I will discuss in
his content. But like this year,

582
00:48:45.599 --> 00:48:49.119
like I don't know if you figured
it out at this point, but but

583
00:48:49.199 --> 00:48:52.239
it's we're still kind of going through
all of our stuff, but it seems

584
00:48:52.280 --> 00:48:58.440
like it was a lighter year and
we're trying to figure out, like what

585
00:48:58.480 --> 00:49:00.880
was the cause of that, you
know, And the last couple of years

586
00:49:00.880 --> 00:49:06.559
we had some really good activity that
we felt strongly was tied to Bigfoot.

587
00:49:07.639 --> 00:49:12.079
And I think there's so many people
that come out and they'll and they might

588
00:49:12.119 --> 00:49:15.360
be a big time Colorado Bigfoot researcher
or big time Washington and they come through

589
00:49:15.360 --> 00:49:20.599
Bluff Creek every now and then,
and if they don't time it right,

590
00:49:20.800 --> 00:49:24.159
like it's easy to make that assumption
that it's it's all squashed out, there's

591
00:49:24.159 --> 00:49:29.519
not a lot going on. But
I think Bluff Creek has enough space and

592
00:49:29.679 --> 00:49:35.559
wilderness and resources to where, like, whatever population is here, it's not

593
00:49:35.719 --> 00:49:40.519
strictly bound to what we know is
historical Bigfoot hot spots. And so we

594
00:49:40.519 --> 00:49:45.639
were looking at the map of six
Rivers and we realized there's a lot of

595
00:49:45.639 --> 00:49:49.719
conditions that are just like Bluff Creek, just a little bit to the east

596
00:49:50.079 --> 00:49:52.800
or a little bit up to the
north before you hit the siski Us or

597
00:49:52.920 --> 00:49:55.760
south or west. Yeah, and
then even even beyond that, it's still

598
00:49:55.800 --> 00:50:01.519
pretty doable habitat or something like big
Foot. You because if there's a lot

599
00:50:01.519 --> 00:50:07.360
of fresh water, there's creeks everywhere. There's berries everywhere, fresh natural berries

600
00:50:07.400 --> 00:50:10.360
that Ronald is eaten and stuff,
and so is Jonathan and I've had them

601
00:50:10.360 --> 00:50:15.320
before. There's berries here. And
then the trail camera photo doesn't be saw

602
00:50:15.440 --> 00:50:20.039
in an in person. We saw
there's a lot of deer. The terrain

603
00:50:20.159 --> 00:50:25.039
is full for them, but it's
a million acres or more. It's something

604
00:50:25.159 --> 00:50:29.239
ridiculous. I don't know, it's
massive. It's some of the most remote

605
00:50:29.239 --> 00:50:34.199
country Yeah, I mean like an
uninterrupted, like continuous. This place is

606
00:50:34.280 --> 00:50:38.119
smote like you can get lost very
easy and no one Paul would ever ever

607
00:50:38.159 --> 00:50:44.920
find you. And that's something we
found, you know, And you're talking

608
00:50:44.960 --> 00:50:47.400
about anile that doesn't want to be
fine and like a million or something acres

609
00:50:47.480 --> 00:50:54.199
or more that's gonna be very very
very hard. But there's something like and

610
00:50:54.320 --> 00:50:58.679
before Like this is kind of how
I would sum it up, is there's

611
00:50:58.679 --> 00:51:01.559
something about Bluff Creek where they do
come back. Like there's a couple of

612
00:51:01.559 --> 00:51:07.239
places I've been through as a researcher
where Bigfoot research is consistent and doesn't cease.

613
00:51:07.360 --> 00:51:13.880
And you're talking about a century of
reports and the Bluff Creek area is

614
00:51:13.880 --> 00:51:17.400
one of them, and like,
well those tracks hot and Dug found prow

615
00:51:17.559 --> 00:51:21.559
that. Yeah. The other spot
that that kind of is like that for

616
00:51:21.599 --> 00:51:24.679
me is foul Arkansas. You know, you have a lot of like man

617
00:51:24.920 --> 00:51:29.960
reports in there, so like I
don't think that like Bigfoot's ever gonna leave

618
00:51:30.159 --> 00:51:34.800
like permanently, Like it's not.
It's definitely not like somebody's building condos there

619
00:51:34.880 --> 00:51:37.960
and his own stomping grounds, Like
it's still wilderness out there. It's primitive

620
00:51:38.000 --> 00:51:40.760
campus a lot of people who can
take our vas out there. They're coming

621
00:51:40.840 --> 00:51:45.239
and going. And so one of
the things that I thought I wanted to

622
00:51:45.239 --> 00:51:49.360
do on this trip was I wanted
to find a little bit of cell service

623
00:51:49.599 --> 00:51:57.480
and deploy a cam to monitor an
area in Bluff Creek remotely and so destially

624
00:51:57.480 --> 00:52:00.480
do that. We got a trail
camera. We got two trail cameras out,

625
00:52:00.480 --> 00:52:04.320
one cellular one non cellular yea,
and they're both in areas where we've

626
00:52:04.400 --> 00:52:07.159
had stuff kind of happened in the
past, and one of them will give

627
00:52:07.159 --> 00:52:14.840
me like live updates if it ever
like fires off. And so so that's

628
00:52:14.840 --> 00:52:17.639
something like hopefully we can get a
little more cell reception, find different ways,

629
00:52:17.679 --> 00:52:23.000
different access points that have coverage,
and kind of add to like what

630
00:52:23.079 --> 00:52:29.599
the Bluff Creek Projects started with their
camera deployment and start putting cell cams in

631
00:52:30.400 --> 00:52:36.400
appropriate areas to kind of monitor when
we're halfway across or further across the United

632
00:52:36.400 --> 00:52:38.760
States. Yeah, so Ron will
be able to marr that. Yeah,

633
00:52:38.800 --> 00:52:45.400
from Wisconsin, I'll be getting updates
about whatever's walking around. That's incredible.

634
00:52:45.719 --> 00:52:50.280
How Ron does out, I mean
it has to be batteries involved, Like

635
00:52:50.880 --> 00:52:55.480
batteries involved with those right or yeah, So the cell cameras are solar charged,

636
00:52:55.559 --> 00:52:59.360
well, I got I got a
panel on that one. So the

637
00:52:59.400 --> 00:53:06.039
other camera, like it'll go six
months to a year. But I've got

638
00:53:06.039 --> 00:53:10.719
a battery cartridge that's supposed to be
do better than standard batteries and a solar

639
00:53:10.760 --> 00:53:15.119
panel with a battery pack in it, and so like it should it should

640
00:53:15.159 --> 00:53:19.679
work for quite some time. I'm
hoping anywhere from a year to a year

641
00:53:19.719 --> 00:53:22.119
and a half, and then the
two year mark, we'll go back in

642
00:53:22.199 --> 00:53:25.960
and we'll we'll replace it, but
I'll get low resolution photos from it,

643
00:53:27.800 --> 00:53:30.079
and then the SD cards will have
a higher resolution saved one to the unit

644
00:53:30.159 --> 00:53:37.880
itself. Let's say you get a
low resolution photo and it looks like Bigfoot,

645
00:53:37.599 --> 00:53:44.159
but you're halfway across the US where
you are, what's the game plan?

646
00:53:44.800 --> 00:53:52.480
Find out here? Well pointing ticket, No todd, pryt ticket.

647
00:53:52.480 --> 00:53:58.320
We're flying, they're flying wrong,
we're flying Hey, you tell you tell

648
00:53:58.360 --> 00:54:00.400
me about it. I'm getting on
a plane on flying. Yeah, and

649
00:54:00.639 --> 00:54:05.159
probably in most situations I think I
could I can manage one flight out.

650
00:54:05.400 --> 00:54:07.360
You know. Yeah, we like
it. We gotta go, we gotta

651
00:54:07.400 --> 00:54:09.480
go, we gotta go. We
can't. We gotta get on that.

652
00:54:09.920 --> 00:54:15.039
We gotta get on that. I'm
gonna just yep, we're gonna fly out

653
00:54:15.079 --> 00:54:20.039
here on. I mean, if
it was me, I would I would

654
00:54:20.079 --> 00:54:22.760
be flying. I would. I
mean I Todd and Doug are great,

655
00:54:22.840 --> 00:54:30.519
but man, if there's a big
foot, I'm like, I'm flying out

656
00:54:30.679 --> 00:54:37.039
area we placed for flying out there
to get it look for ourselves. It's

657
00:54:37.079 --> 00:54:42.559
like it's like, dude, it's
I feel like Ron is saying, Oh,

658
00:54:42.679 --> 00:54:45.320
we put we put a trail career
here, we kept capture a leprechron

659
00:54:45.760 --> 00:54:50.079
with the pot of gold here.
Let me call a local person. Here's

660
00:54:50.079 --> 00:54:52.800
a pot of gold up there,
go get it. Okay, that's what

661
00:54:52.840 --> 00:54:54.559
you're saying though. First of all, Okay, if it was a bit

662
00:54:54.599 --> 00:54:58.480
of a photo, yes, I
would come out. But here's here's where

663
00:54:58.519 --> 00:55:02.079
I would call Todd. I'd call
it because I don't know if I could

664
00:55:02.119 --> 00:55:10.880
secure a roadworthy rental, Oh okay, then no, you just for one.

665
00:55:10.920 --> 00:55:15.239
You could fly into like Sacramento or
San Francisco. Then they would have

666
00:55:15.280 --> 00:55:20.519
the chiefs there. Yeah, I
rented a cheap in Portland. M H.

667
00:55:21.599 --> 00:55:23.960
So yeah, I guess well,
we still are figuring that part out

668
00:55:24.440 --> 00:55:31.960
yeah, I would yea too,
i'd walker. It's just a short nineteen

669
00:55:32.000 --> 00:55:37.800
miles. Yeah, yeah, exactly, Yeah, that's nineteen No problem,

670
00:55:40.760 --> 00:55:47.199
Well borrow Richard Harris. Guys.
Last question, and I appreciate you hanging

671
00:55:47.239 --> 00:55:52.440
out with me for it's almost two
an hour already, It's gone by quick.

672
00:55:52.559 --> 00:55:58.320
But what's next for you guys?
Do you guys have plans for future

673
00:55:58.760 --> 00:56:08.880
research experts already or what's coming up? Pretty much, sasquatch charts for SABA

674
00:56:09.000 --> 00:56:17.039
is going international next year, so
our first out of the country episode will

675
00:56:17.079 --> 00:56:22.119
be felt next year. That's the
plan. That's the plan. Of the

676
00:56:22.159 --> 00:56:30.159
plan is we're looking at a spot
that is intimous for sasquatch activity, but

677
00:56:30.920 --> 00:56:34.719
for whatever reason, people haven't really
been out to it all that much.

678
00:56:35.119 --> 00:56:37.880
But yeah, I mean my plan, my plan is to go there regardless

679
00:56:37.920 --> 00:56:43.760
I cannot. I'm already skipping out
on Bluff Creek to do it, so

680
00:56:45.559 --> 00:56:49.199
I'm too invested in it to not
pull the trigger out. Wow, if

681
00:56:49.199 --> 00:56:55.000
you're skipping out on Bluff Creek,
it must be something pretty special. So

682
00:56:55.119 --> 00:57:00.400
yeah, that's what But that's more
on that later. I guess the thing

683
00:57:00.440 --> 00:57:04.199
that immediately, like we just spent
three weeks at Bluff Creek. We're not

684
00:57:04.239 --> 00:57:07.199
even done with the California run,
and we got a couple of spots that

685
00:57:07.360 --> 00:57:13.840
before I met these guys around the
house camp and the Bluff Creek area,

686
00:57:14.320 --> 00:57:15.880
I had a couple of spots.
So like the next couple of nights,

687
00:57:15.920 --> 00:57:21.039
I guess the next three four nights, we're gonna be like in some areas

688
00:57:21.760 --> 00:57:25.800
where I kind of started my big
footing, Like in twenty ten, there's

689
00:57:25.840 --> 00:57:30.320
a spot that I heard some some
interesting knocks while I was waiting at a

690
00:57:30.320 --> 00:57:35.639
trailhead for somebody to come in and
pick me up out of the Trinity Alps,

691
00:57:36.599 --> 00:57:38.920
and we're gonna try to We're gonna
check the status of that area and

692
00:57:39.000 --> 00:57:45.480
see about going out there. Then
from there we're going to where I saw

693
00:57:45.519 --> 00:57:51.360
something that I thought was possibly a
Sasquatch in twenty eighteen while hiking the big

694
00:57:51.360 --> 00:57:55.239
Foot Trail, and Kate's going to
be the first person, like in our

695
00:57:55.280 --> 00:58:00.840
group besides myself and bandit to check
that area out. And then they were

696
00:58:00.880 --> 00:58:09.159
doing so southern California for a couple
of days, and then we're wrapping it

697
00:58:09.239 --> 00:58:15.519
up. Yeah, then were we
wrap it up in Aisle with you with

698
00:58:19.639 --> 00:58:24.039
me and and a few other friends
of mine who are not big fotters.

699
00:58:24.119 --> 00:58:30.119
But there's actually one other person joining
us that is a big flooter with brow

700
00:58:30.760 --> 00:58:32.559
and then there's a couple of people, like three other people that aren't.

701
00:58:34.039 --> 00:58:37.360
Yeah, everyone, I hope.
So I'm extremely excited about about I mean,

702
00:58:37.400 --> 00:58:44.280
it's just a few weekends away.
I'm super excited about it. That's

703
00:58:44.280 --> 00:58:45.920
crazy. You know what's crazy is
when you're up in the mountains, you

704
00:58:46.039 --> 00:58:51.639
lose track of town. How sometimes
you don't even know what day it is

705
00:58:51.719 --> 00:58:55.840
or how many days you have left, and when things have been going the

706
00:58:55.840 --> 00:59:02.559
way they are, the days are
long here, I would say. Pretty

707
00:59:02.679 --> 00:59:09.760
pretty pretty fair assessment in my opinion. Well, yeah, I'm excited to

708
00:59:09.760 --> 00:59:14.039
see both of you guys, and
it will be my first time being able

709
00:59:14.119 --> 00:59:20.079
to do some expedition work with Ron, so that'll be a good time.

710
00:59:20.280 --> 00:59:25.559
But I appreciate you both coming back
on for a post expedition interview. This

711
00:59:25.599 --> 00:59:30.239
has been a fun time. Do
you mind Do you guys mind sharing where

712
00:59:30.239 --> 00:59:35.320
people can keep up to date with
what you've been putting out with different Bigfoot

713
00:59:35.360 --> 00:59:44.280
related things. Yeah, so right
now, my platform is just a Facebook

714
00:59:44.280 --> 00:59:47.920
page where I put a lot of
leaks to my other stuff. I got

715
00:59:47.920 --> 00:59:53.239
a YouTube account, but it's my
name Ron Reid and that's r R owin

716
00:59:53.519 --> 01:00:00.360
r Ead. I don't know how
easily people will find it, but but

717
01:00:00.679 --> 01:00:04.840
I think if you search that name
with like big foot, sass watch,

718
01:00:05.239 --> 01:00:08.440
you know, then it should should
pop up there. But then yeah,

719
01:00:09.000 --> 01:00:13.159
all of that stuff get shared on
my Facebook page. If anybody has Facebook,

720
01:00:13.239 --> 01:00:21.320
it's uh, it's Trailing Giants is
the Facebook page, and then me

721
01:00:22.480 --> 01:00:27.639
and then me it's just Tate heeronymous, Hi, r y m us just

722
01:00:27.840 --> 01:00:31.280
my name. It's on YouTube and
Facebook and you'll if you look my name

723
01:00:31.400 --> 01:00:37.119
up, you'll see all the podcasts
I'm probably on and all that. And

724
01:00:37.239 --> 01:00:42.679
make sure that's make sure you watch
the Iowa episode because I hear it's the

725
01:00:42.760 --> 01:00:49.360
highest viewed one. So I don't
know why. Why guys, I'll be

726
01:00:49.440 --> 01:00:53.719
seeing you in a few weeks and
have a have a good time with the

727
01:00:53.800 --> 01:01:01.000
last few nights out there in California. Guys, we should thanks for coming

728
01:01:01.039 --> 01:01:08.119
on here at Bigfoot Society. Article
is to provide a platform for those that

729
01:01:08.199 --> 01:01:15.199
have encountered Bigfoot to share their encounter
in a safe and respected environment. But

730
01:01:15.280 --> 01:01:19.760
we need to hear your story.
If you've experienced something that you just can't

731
01:01:19.760 --> 01:01:25.719
explain, please send me an email
at Bigfoot Society at gmail dot com.

732
01:01:25.800 --> 01:01:30.960
Then we can start the conversation.
I know a lot of you have not

733
01:01:30.119 --> 01:01:37.079
shared your encounter at all. It's
been twenty years and it's time that you

734
01:01:37.119 --> 01:01:40.119
get this off your chest and then
you can get some well deserved for rest,

735
01:01:40.280 --> 01:01:45.559
because I know you haven't been sleeping. I understand what you're going through,

736
01:01:45.880 --> 01:01:46.960
and I appreciate every one of you
listening