June 28, 2025

Trapped with Bigfoot in Bull Run’s No-Go Zone | Oregon

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Season 1

NOTE: This episode contains stories set in the Bull Run Watershed, a protected area closed to the public. We do not condone or encourage trespassing or violating posted access restrictions. Always respect local laws, regulations, and the environment.

What happens when a seasoned Forest Service firefighter finds himself patrolling one of the most restricted, untouched forest zones in Oregon — and begins to feel he’s not alone? In this chilling and mysterious episode, we speak with Rick, a former seasonal fire prevention officer for the Zigzag Ranger District, who spent months deep in the Bull Run Watershed — a place off-limits to the public for over 100 years. Rick recalls the haunting silence, the oppressive feeling of being watched, and the unshakable knowledge that something was tracking him through the brush. From eerie encounters in Colorado’s Deadman Tower and Pingree Park to being shadowed near Lolo Pass and Large Mountain, Rick's story is a rare look inside the places Bigfoot might truly call home. This episode includes firsthand accounts from NF-10, Hatfield Wilderness, and Bull Run Reservoir #1 — including the terrifying days Rick worked alone, clearing fire access roads… while something watched from just beyond the trees. Don't miss this rare glimpse into one of Oregon's most mysterious regions.

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This episode contains accounts set in the Bull Run Watershed

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of Oregon, a protected area closed to the public. We

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do not condone or encourage trespassing or violating posted access restrictions.

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Always respect local laws regulations in the environment. Thank you,

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you're listening to Big for Society and I'm Jeremiah Byron.

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Tonight's account comes from a man who is paid to

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patrol the most off limits forced an Oregon, a place

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so locked down the public hasn't been allowed in for

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over one hundred years. But just because it was closed

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to people doesn't mean it was empty. This is a

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story of Rick in what he encountered while working deep

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inside the bull Run Watershed. So stay with us, I

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Pig for Society. We've got the privilege of talking to

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individual today. His name is Rick and reached out to

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me about some interesting things he experienced over the years.

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A little bit of information about Rick. He is a

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former for Service and BLM seasonal worker. There will be

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some conversations about out places in Colorado and also in

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Oregon that have come up on the show before. I

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believe was introduced to Rick via the comments on episode

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six fifty three about Lolo Pass Road the Zigzag area

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of Oregon, so that will be covered as well. Rick,

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welcome to the show. How are you doing today, sir?

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Doing well? Thank you, Jeremiah. Nice to be here.

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Absolutely, it's always a fun time to talk to people,

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to talk to witnesses about bigfoot. I love it. I

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just got off the phone with an individual about southeast Idaho,

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and I'll be talking to someone about Oklahoma later. But Rick,

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it's so so good to have you on the phone

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right now. And as we were talking about before, what

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you'll be sharing does go through a few different states.

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I think it'll be great to do things chronologically, and

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so you're welcome to to take us back to the

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first thing that you remember that was a little bit

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out of the ordinary.

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Okay, And as you and I talked before, some of

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these things just didn't even know we're big bigfoot things

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back thirty plus years ago. But yeah, I worked for

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the Forest Service, the seasonal employee in the mountains northwest

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of Fort Collins, Colorado and southwest of Laramie, Wyoming, and

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probably about probably about fifty to sixty miles northwest of

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Fort Collins as where we're talking about. And so I

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worked for a timber thinning crew, and so the job

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is to go out and use chainsaws and you know,

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space out the trees so they can grow bigger, was

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the easy intent. So we would walk through the forest

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and for trees to cut down, and so we were

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off trail areas that the Forest Service laid out for

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us to go work and then as a crew we

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would go through and cut them. So when we were

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in the back country there, we came across things that

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now and I know are Bigfoot things where they they

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set up the trees and the x's and the teepees

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and just hanging things and snapping off the trees at

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seven eight feet off the ground. And I remember seeing

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some of those at the time and thinking, wow, that's interesting.

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That's a different wonder how that happened. But no specific

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things happening, no encounters, just seeing that those things in

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the forest, and that's really all I have about that area. Again,

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we camped up in the mountains in that area. We

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were kind of close to if people want to locate,

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there's an old fire lookout tower called dead Man Tower,

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and we were probably about five to ten miles west

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of that dead Man Tower. That's probably something Yeah, somebody

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can google that and find it on Google Maps. That's

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the area we were in where we saw these things. Now,

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I know I've heard encounters from whether it's from you, Jeremiah,

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or some of the other channels that I listened to

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that where people have talked about experiences in that part

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of Colorado. So because that's about all I have is

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just coming across those those structures.

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That's so that's that's interesting. And just for context, this

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is I believe you said this is about thirty years ago,

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is that right?

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Yeah, we see like nineteen eighty nine.

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Okay, gotcha, gotcha. Now when you were seeing these these things,

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like the exes and all these different structures, how far

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out in the woods were you guys usually when you

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were starting to see these things.

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So we're quite a ways, you know, not terribly far

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off of for service roads, but those people who who

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know about driving back and forest service roads, you go

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on a main one, then you get on the smaller one,

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and then you get on a smaller one. So we

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were probably a good oh at least five miles off

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of any main county road or for service roads. So

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we'd taken some little smaller and smaller roads, and then

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we park our trucks and take our saws and walk

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back into the the area. So we you know, we

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could have been you know, a few hundred yards to

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half a mile. I don't think we got much more

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than a mile any given time when we were working

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away from the forest road. It's just that we were

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getting on, like I said, down those smaller and smaller.

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Roads when you were I'm so I'm imagining, you know,

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before you guys were set out in an area. Were

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there ever times conversations that were had, you know, looking

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back with your knowledge now you know bigfoot information, were

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there ever any conversations from higher ups where it's like,

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you know, watch out for weird stuff for like, you know,

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if you see weird stuff, don't worry about it. Did

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that ever come up or just kind of you just.

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I don't I don't recall that. Okay, I'm kind of

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looking in the area. I've got my Google Maps open

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right now. I probably should have done this ahead of

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time on this one, so sure did on some of

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our later things that we're going to talk about, to

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see what for service roads we would have gone back on.

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I'm in the general area, but I don't can't spot

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exactly what worlds we would have gone on. Oh yeah,

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we are in the area off of Larmer County Road,

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and now I lost it again. I don't call one

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sixty nine, I think, okay, And so then you again

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there were smaller and smaller roads. They're branched off from there.

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But yeah, we know we were never told anything to

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look out for this or that. And just remember walking

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through the woods, and I do remember those those structures

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and the tree snaps and just thinking, wow, how did

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that happen? How did that get set up? Just like

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that with the structures, and again not knowing what I

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was looking for at that time, but I do recall

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that very specifically when I was doing that work.

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Absolutely, So this is around eighty nine, and you had

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those run ins that would probably become more significant later on.

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When you started, I imagine you probably saw a documentary

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or a picture online you're like, oh, yeah, totally saw that.

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I've always been interested in Bigfoot since I was a kid,

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you know, and in the eighties and caught plenty of

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well actually more books from the library about monsters and

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things like that, So I was always interested in Then

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as I started to catch oh, gosh, the finding Bigfoot

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in the BFR website and uh Su Sasquatch chronicles where

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I started going into it more with the aid of internet.

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I did find a road. So the main county road

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is called dead Man Road. It is eighty six, and

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then some of the forest service main arterials we went

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on and we're like four Service Road three h three

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three thirty six. But then I don't I'm not tracking

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the numbers for the smaller and smaller roads. Is it

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is it split down? But that's the general area.

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Well, there you go. That information could definitely be important

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to maybe there's someone listening that is from that area

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and they're like, yeah, we've definitely that area. So it'd

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be interesting if people can always email me or throw

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it in the comments if they've had situations happen in there.

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So you spent a bit of time in this area Colorado.

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But then what was did you then move out to

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Oregon after this or what would you think the next thing?

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So I'm from northern Colorado, but at that time I

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was doing summer jobs while I was working through college,

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and I was working through college on a forestry degree.

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So this stinning crew was a summer job that I

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had while I was working at my foester degree. The

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next thing that I had chronologically was in like ninety two,

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and I was going to summer camp for forestry. All

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four three majors are required to do a summer camp class.

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So we were going to Pingree Park, which is a

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which anybody can google that ping Gree Park. It's about

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thirty miles pretty more straight west of Fort Collins and

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Pingree Park is. It's a feat a land feature, like

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a big open meadow area, but it's also the name

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of the Colorado State University Forestry campus. And so I

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was up there for most of the summer taking classes,

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and on weekends, the vast majority of the other students

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would go back to Fort Collins and do the going

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to the bars and washing clothes and things like that,

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and the vast majority of the weekends for me, I

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would prefer to stay up there on CSU campus and

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just go out and do things out in the wilderness

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because that's what I like to do. So I would

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just do solo hikes up into the mountains from Pingree Park,

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and I would take a trail that went to I

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can't rember the name Fast Cirque Lake was one of them,

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and then what's the name of that pass? But up

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into the Commanche Peak wilderness is where the trail headed,

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and so we would take a Mummy Pass is the

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name of the trail, Mummy Pass Lake Meadow trail. So

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I would do that one often. There were many trails

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around the area, but that's the one I would do

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most often. And one of the times I was doing

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a solo hike up to Mummy Pass and back down

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to the forestry campus. I do distinctly remember being paralleled

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on the way down and the classic of the classic

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case of I hear something thirty forty feet off to

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my left, and what the heck is that I'm hearing

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something stepping? Is it an elk? It doesn't sound like

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an elk, it's it sounds like by pedal, and the

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it's I stop, it stops, I start, it starts. But

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you know, always be a be a step or so off,

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so you can always hear that, oh, here's a step,

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what what is that? And and I'd always look over

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there and try and figure out what it is. I

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remember my called hello, who's over there? And no response,

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and just to said, okay, am I crazy and just

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going on with the hike. But I remember that happening

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along that trail outside of Pingrey Park.

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Was there anything else that was the ordinary about the hike,

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any weird smells or sounds or lack of sounds or anything.

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I thought it was really quiet. But no, no strange smells,

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no no vocalizations, But yeah, it was. It was very

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quiet in the in the woods at that point, which

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it's not usually you always have when you're up in

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the mountains in that part of Colorado. You totally get

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pine squirrels making their chattering noise regularly, and you know,

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the jays and other birds chirping and squawking, and it

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was quiet. I do remember that.

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Interesting in your time at Pingree Park was the subject

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of Bigfoot, anything that ever came up or not really

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in that situation, not really in that.

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Think, just just as in the case when I was

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working for the Forest Service in the summer, I think

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not a lot of people really knew or thought about

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bigfoot in being in Colorado. It was always Oregon, Washington,

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British Columbia kind of a thing California, not not in Colorado.

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And it's only been since the advent of the VFRO

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website that I always be finding it that I thought, oh, well,

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there's actually there are big foot sightings in Colorado and Wyoming,

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in Montana and all the Rocky Mountains area, and so

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I and I've read stories of people being prologed, and

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I said, oh, that's what it was. Or I don't

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know for positive, but I'm strongly suspected that makes me

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less crazy. I guess the thought is that at the time,

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is am I crazy hearing things? And now, no, that's

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an explanation that makes sense.

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As you kind of progressed in your work in you know,

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going towards forestry and things, was it in the back

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of your mind at all that you wanted to also

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work in or were you even working in the hopes

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of maybe a big Foot interaction with this or just

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weird stuff just happened to happen as you went along

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in your journey.

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I think it's there wasn't really a desire, there was,

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but there was always the wondering. There was always the

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knowledge in the back of my head, well, especially once

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I moved up into the Northwest, that that could be

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a thing. And I remember even had high school, I

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lived in Washington State for a little bit and being

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out in the woods there and just thinking, I wonder

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if this is going to happen. Nothing that I remember

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ever happened when I was that young in Washington State,

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but it's always been on my mind and just didn't

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think about that being a thing in Colorado.

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Absolutely did being followed like that? Did that affect how

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you were in the woods after that scenario?

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No, it just I mean, it's been a question that's

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stuck in my mind ever since. I've never forgotten that.

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But I love to hike and I love to be

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out in the living liss and it didn't caused me

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to fear at all. I just I kept doing what

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I was doing. But I seem to remember that there

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was another occasion or two when I had that same

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situation and was going a huh, there it is again,

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But it was another It was another place in Colorado

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and on a different hike, and I just can't remember

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the specifics of where that was at this point. I

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do just remember because as Pingree Park, which was an

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area that became very familiar with that that was the

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one occasion. I think that was the first one, and

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that's why it stands out so much to me.

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Absolutely, after spending this time in Colorado, did you then

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next head out to the Northwest, as you'd kind of

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alluded to before.

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Yes, So I finished my forestry degree, didn't find the

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kind of work that's like permanent, you're going to keep

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doing it day in day out, year after year, but

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went to go see what kind of jobs can I get.

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It was definitely interested in going back to the northwest

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part of the country, not specifically with big Foot in mind,

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but again it was in my mind when I was

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moving up there. So I actually had two jobs for

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the Forest Service in nineteen ninety five, and so I

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started off first doing some work in the coast range

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of Oregon, almost straight west of Portland area. But I

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don't recall anything big happening. Of course, we were working

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right around some areas that were being logged, so lots

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of people, lots of noise, so I wouldn't expect there

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to be much or if there, if the Bigfoot was

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ever there, it was super super stealthy. Don't know anything

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of that. But then later that same year I moved

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to take on a joe job as a fire prevention

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officer with the Zigzag Ranger District West or not west

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east of Portland, and I'd been working fire jobs. I'd

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done the one timber job, the timber thinning job, but

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most of my jobs that I'd done for summer jobs

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while I was still in school were firefighting jobs. So

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I'd gained quite a few years of experience with the

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Bureau of Land Management doing firefighting around the Rocky Mountains,

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and so I took the opportunity to go out to

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forest the Forest Service in Oregon and landed this job

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as a fire protection officer, which put me in charge

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of a fire engine. But also my main job every

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day was to patrol parts of the forest, the mount

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Hood National Forest east of Portland, and so my job

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was just a patrol looking for fires, to be there

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on the spot if a fire was occurring, to see

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people who might be not being careful with fire and

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talk to them, or if it was egregious enough to

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ride a ticket for that. I also, because I guess

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the main thing that was about what I was doing,

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that was my job, but mainly where I was I

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was in an area east of Portland called the ball

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Run Watershed, and the Bowl Run Watershed is an area

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that is locked off to the public. The public is

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not allowed. It's been over one hundred years since the

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public has been allowed into this bow Run watershed. And

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the reason being at least that they give is that

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this is the area, the bow Run Watershed is where

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water for the City of Portland comes from, so they

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wanted to keep they keep people out of there so

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that the water doesn't get tainted or polluted in any way.

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So it's it's just the only people allowed in this

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Bowl Run Watershed are force of its employees in City

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of Portland Water Company. The Bull Run Watershed runs pretty

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much from the eastern suburbs of Portland between the Columbia

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River Gorge on the north and Highway twenty sixth on

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the south, and it runs all the way to the

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Loto Pass Road, which is that was the episode that

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caught my eye or caught my ear when you had

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that a month and a half ago or whatever it was.

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So I was like Loto Pass Road, I know, I

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drove that road every day going into the Bowl Run

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heading from the four Service office to the Gole Run.

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So that's the area. It's over one hundred square miles

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where there's just a few people in there every day,

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very very few people. So that's a place no logging

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is allowed except on a very case by case basis,

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and it's really for more of a the forest services

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to remove some trees here or there for whatever reason,

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so they let an area get cut down, but it's

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generally not logged. And the summer I worked there, there

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was no longing occurring at all. But you can see

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evidence that this area of trees was shorter than that

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area of trees. But other than that, it's a largely

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untouched area that's locked off from.

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The public absolutely. And there's a few things I want

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to jump in here with just in case the right

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people are listening, because this area, as you said, only

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the right people can get in there and you know,

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make sure stuff is okay. It is one of these

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perfect areas that if a bigfoot was wanting to hang

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out where people were not able to mess with them,

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it would be this area. So if they're individuals listening

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that also maybe had similar jobs and are had experience

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is in this area, bull run, I'd love to talk

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to you. You can always reach out to me. It's also

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I'll throw in this as well, if anyone has had

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any things happen up on large mountain that's kind of

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in a similar area, maybe not super similar, but it's

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up there. I'd love to talk to you as well.

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But you know, you provided some interesting photos. I'm going

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to put those in the YouTube version of this episode

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as well. I think it's pretty It's not normal to

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be able to see photos of Bull Run. I believe

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I'd have to do a little bit more research it,

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but they are very cool photos from the nineties. So,

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you know, Rick, I'd love to hear maybe a little

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bit about what were some things that you you notice

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that we're out of the ordinary in this Bull Run area.

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So yeah, I worked for the Zigzag Ranger District, and

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I know I'm being pretty specific. And there were two

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of us that did this job. I work in the

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Bowl Run and that area, and the other one worked

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more around Mount Hood to the east, and we crossed sometimes.

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He would come with me and I would go with

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him sometimes. But most of you were solo. So we

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again to explain, there's maybe ten twelve City of Portland

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water people that work in there on a daily basis.

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They stay more towards the Portland metro area. There's some

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dams and some reservoirs, and that's where they would stay.

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There was one other Forest Service employee. He was the

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staff for a fire lookout tower, and we'll talk about

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that in a little bit. But and then then me

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and that's it because even most days for serviced and

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send anybody else in there. So again, yeah, as we

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were saying, the perfect place for if Bigfoot wanted to

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be alone, they can be alone. So the first thing

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was early on in the summer, they had me going

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to the roads, because nobody arrives through here. They had

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me going to the roads that cross through the ball Run.

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There's only one main one, and then there's different side

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roads that you can catch a portion off the main

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road and come back to it. And in various places

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there there's a road that heads out south that comes out,

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you know, somewhere around Mount Hood Village or something like that, Welches,

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and there's one that comes out the north end close

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to the Clumbery River Gorge. But mostly it's just one

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east west that winds all over the place. As somebody

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we're looking at the map we're talking about and F

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ten is what they label it on Google Maps, and

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that one it traverses the area east to west, west

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to east. It just it curves all over the place.

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So anyway, so I had to clear that because you know,

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those of you were from the Northwest know that with

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the rain things grow like crazy. So if you go

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for a season without people really going in there and

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right driving on the roads, the brush encroaches on the

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roads quickly and pretty well. So I was supposed to patrol,

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but I was also also supposed to find these spots

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and just cut the brush back and vines growing across

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the road and cut those backs of the road was

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clear and you could drive through. So it was one

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of the days earlier in the summer that I was

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doing that Peepy Spot number one, And so this was

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an area where I was just out cutting back the brush,

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and so I remember when I was working. This took

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me a few days, maybe two or three to cut

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the brush back in that area so that it was

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satisfactorily off the road and anytime for sort of sort

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of portant water crews wanted to go through, they could

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without having to worry about trying to squeeze through on

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these narrow roads. So I was in there working and

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I just remember that feeling of the hair raising on

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the back of my neck and feeling like someone who's here,

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who's watching me? And I remember looking up looking around.

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I don't remember particularly calling out, but I do remember

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that feeling that someone was watching me. It persisted, and

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I remember coming back the next day. And it wasn't immediate,

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like as soon as I get out of my truck,

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but it was that it would appear someone would someone

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something showed up and was giving me that feeling, and

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then the next day they it came back. So it

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wasn't the whole time I was there, but it was

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it was it was an amount of time, and it

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was definitely persisted for some time.

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How long would it approximately take for you to drive

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into that area?

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That not too far. I don't think it's a couple

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of miles, but you know, I sent you the picture

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of the Lo Lo Pass Road gate and that's you know,

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probably not more than twenty or thirty feet off of

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the Lolo Pass Road, so barring a vehicle, and certainly

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if somebody parked their for service people would notice a vehicle.

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So but as far as hiking in, probably wouldn't take

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terribly long to get there. There's also that road. If

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you see the place on the map, there's an NF Oh,

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come on, I'm trying to zoom in where the number

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will show up. That goes above that road and it

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winds up the mountain and I'm following it, but I'm

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not getting it to show me what number. Oh, nope,

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that's forty three. That's a little spur. So there's there's

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a road that was above it on the slope aways

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and in that area the tree the trees were terribly thick.

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It could be I was going to say, yea, I

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thought it was going to be a ten something. Oftentimes

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for service will just add a number to the end

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of the road. It's coming off of two to number it.

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So it's coming off of an F ten and it's

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to the north of n F ten on the map,

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and it kind of does this hairprint turning goes back

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east and that actually overlooks I sent you a picture

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of the bull Run Lake, and the one where I

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got the look overlooking from up above, I took from

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that road. So so with that area, it might have

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been that side road that I was clearing, but it

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was right in that area there, and I think you

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can even tell on the map there's some thinner there's

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some thinner trees if you're looking at the satellite view.

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So that's where I was working. And yeah, definitely had

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that feeling that like I was being watched. And I

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think at the time I talked it up to a

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bear or mountain lion, and I was just very wary

462
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to keep looking over my shoulder, you know though, you know,

463
00:29:19.480 --> 00:29:21.519
I at the time I did think, well, I don't

464
00:29:21.519 --> 00:29:25.119
wonder if it's bigfoot. So because as I told you before,

465
00:29:25.160 --> 00:29:29.839
I knew bigfoot. I was a believer already, and so

466
00:29:30.160 --> 00:29:31.960
I just knew that could have been a possibility.

467
00:29:35.400 --> 00:29:38.640
It's extremely interesting because you know, as you already said,

468
00:29:38.680 --> 00:29:43.119
it is a rare occurrence to be even able to

469
00:29:43.200 --> 00:29:46.359
talk to someone who has access to this area. So

470
00:29:46.359 --> 00:29:49.039
I'm just glad that you were able to come on

471
00:29:49.160 --> 00:29:52.200
the show to share more context about it. You know

472
00:29:52.279 --> 00:29:55.720
that the normal public we're not going to have even

473
00:29:55.759 --> 00:29:59.160
that contextual information, which.

474
00:29:59.000 --> 00:30:03.200
Is really cool. I think I keep thinking that there

475
00:30:03.279 --> 00:30:07.680
has to be plenty of sasquatch in this area. I

476
00:30:07.799 --> 00:30:12.960
just never actually had a visual encounter, and so but

477
00:30:13.039 --> 00:30:15.119
I keep thinking, well, if I've driven through there at night.

478
00:30:16.200 --> 00:30:19.200
I keep thinking that would have been a really good possibility.

479
00:30:20.599 --> 00:30:23.920
But yeah, that was definitely something that happened. At one

480
00:30:23.960 --> 00:30:26.759
spot where I had to clear the road, I had

481
00:30:26.799 --> 00:30:30.640
to do a similar project to this. This was a lot.

482
00:30:30.839 --> 00:30:34.319
The second spot that I label creepy Spot number two

483
00:30:34.599 --> 00:30:41.480
is way down close to the first first. They call

484
00:30:41.519 --> 00:30:44.720
it Bull Run Reservoir number one, so one of the

485
00:30:44.839 --> 00:30:48.279
major reservoirs that supplies water to the Portland area, and

486
00:30:50.200 --> 00:30:53.440
the road at this point is kind of paralleling the

487
00:30:55.559 --> 00:30:59.720
the reservoir, but it's probably a good one hundred yards

488
00:31:00.640 --> 00:31:02.599
back from the reservoir. At least. You can't see the

489
00:31:02.640 --> 00:31:04.880
reservoir from that point. You can just tell from the

490
00:31:04.920 --> 00:31:09.799
map that you're paralleling it. And the road widens in

491
00:31:09.839 --> 00:31:15.640
and out and follows the contours, so it'll wind away

492
00:31:15.640 --> 00:31:19.400
from the reservoir when you cross a creek because it's

493
00:31:19.440 --> 00:31:22.400
following the contour of the elevation there. And so one

494
00:31:22.440 --> 00:31:26.359
of those places where across the creek there's a spot

495
00:31:26.519 --> 00:31:31.519
where the Forest Service had built just a little I

496
00:31:31.559 --> 00:31:33.799
don't I want to say between the twenty and thirty

497
00:31:33.839 --> 00:31:39.160
foot stub off of the road, and that was place

498
00:31:39.200 --> 00:31:45.319
where they had dammed up the creek cascading down from

499
00:31:45.559 --> 00:31:49.359
above to not to dam it permanently, but just enough

500
00:31:49.359 --> 00:31:52.000
to make a little pool of water stand there. And

501
00:31:52.240 --> 00:31:54.359
the purpose of that was to build a back of

502
00:31:54.440 --> 00:31:58.680
fire engine up to the back of the stub and

503
00:31:59.000 --> 00:32:03.000
you can then pull water out of that pool and

504
00:32:03.000 --> 00:32:07.240
to fill your tanks. So if you're fighting a fire

505
00:32:07.279 --> 00:32:09.799
prolonged that you can have to go back and fill

506
00:32:09.839 --> 00:32:11.839
your tank. You don't have to drive all the way

507
00:32:11.880 --> 00:32:13.839
back to the forest service st agent to use a hose.

508
00:32:14.640 --> 00:32:18.000
You can just draw it with your engine from a

509
00:32:18.000 --> 00:32:23.039
pool of water. Well that had become completely over overgrown,

510
00:32:23.480 --> 00:32:29.200
like you could see where the pavement turned towards something

511
00:32:29.240 --> 00:32:32.039
else off of the main road, but you couldn't get

512
00:32:32.599 --> 00:32:34.599
you couldn't even get a foot or two into it.

513
00:32:34.599 --> 00:32:37.160
It was just that overgrown. So my job was to

514
00:32:37.200 --> 00:32:40.440
completely clear that, which was a lot of work. That

515
00:32:40.519 --> 00:32:43.160
was that was I can't remember it was a week

516
00:32:43.599 --> 00:32:45.240
two I don't think it was two weeks, but it

517
00:32:45.279 --> 00:32:47.920
was more than a week's worth of work to clear

518
00:32:48.000 --> 00:32:52.400
away all the the brush and vines from that so

519
00:32:52.440 --> 00:32:54.599
that it was open again, so that an engine could

520
00:32:54.640 --> 00:32:59.279
get to it so and clean it, clear it away

521
00:33:00.200 --> 00:33:02.880
around the pool and that sort of thing, so that again,

522
00:33:02.960 --> 00:33:04.759
so an engine can get in there and draw water

523
00:33:04.759 --> 00:33:07.759
if it was needed. So that I was doing that task,

524
00:33:07.799 --> 00:33:11.400
and I had the same situation where I definitely started

525
00:33:11.440 --> 00:33:15.759
to feel and the forest the brush was right up

526
00:33:16.000 --> 00:33:18.440
next to where I was working. Whereas I felt like

527
00:33:18.480 --> 00:33:20.519
there was a little bit more openness in that first

528
00:33:20.759 --> 00:33:24.640
area that I felt something something watching me. This the

529
00:33:24.680 --> 00:33:28.640
forest is right up on you, and I definitely felt

530
00:33:28.640 --> 00:33:31.680
that feeling that I was being watched and something's there

531
00:33:32.319 --> 00:33:37.480
and I better be on my guard. And just as

532
00:33:37.559 --> 00:33:39.680
we talked before, like when I was being paralleled, I

533
00:33:39.839 --> 00:33:44.480
do remember at this spot for sure that everything was quiet.

534
00:33:44.839 --> 00:33:49.480
The forest felt kind of dead and empty, and I

535
00:33:49.519 --> 00:33:52.599
had that creepy feelings while I was working there. And

536
00:33:52.640 --> 00:33:56.039
it's several days in a row. It's it's so something

537
00:33:56.079 --> 00:33:58.039
was in the area and came back to check check

538
00:33:58.079 --> 00:34:00.720
on me. That seems a little odd for a bear

539
00:34:00.880 --> 00:34:04.039
or a mountain lion to me. Yeah.

540
00:34:04.440 --> 00:34:07.240
Absolutely. How long would it take to get to this

541
00:34:07.319 --> 00:34:08.679
particular area.

542
00:34:09.039 --> 00:34:13.280
This one's a longer ways, and it's so to traverse

543
00:34:13.320 --> 00:34:19.960
this road like by miles from I usually went in

544
00:34:20.039 --> 00:34:22.400
on the east side from Lolo Pass road. That's why

545
00:34:22.400 --> 00:34:24.880
I was familiar with the road. I went in from

546
00:34:24.920 --> 00:34:27.679
that side and would drive to the west, and then

547
00:34:27.800 --> 00:34:30.079
I would pick another route and drive back east and

548
00:34:30.079 --> 00:34:32.400
come back out at lo Low Pass. Most of the time.

549
00:34:33.079 --> 00:34:34.960
Sometimes I would try this way or that way to

550
00:34:34.960 --> 00:34:37.320
come out a different way. But as I said earlier,

551
00:34:37.320 --> 00:34:40.000
there's really only four ways out in and out of

552
00:34:40.239 --> 00:34:44.039
the Bull Run. It's just that Lolo Pass was closest

553
00:34:44.039 --> 00:34:46.800
to where the four service offices in Zigzag, at least

554
00:34:46.840 --> 00:34:50.960
it was in nineteen ninety five, so that was the

555
00:34:51.000 --> 00:34:54.039
easiest access to the Bull Run. So at this point,

556
00:34:54.199 --> 00:34:58.039
I would so it's twenty to thirty miles by road across,

557
00:34:58.079 --> 00:35:01.280
but it would take a day to drive it because

558
00:35:01.320 --> 00:35:04.079
you just have to drive that slow on those narrow,

559
00:35:04.079 --> 00:35:12.239
twisting roads with a fire engine. So it's probably it's

560
00:35:12.239 --> 00:35:14.840
about thirty miles from end to end. I would say

561
00:35:14.880 --> 00:35:19.559
this is closer to twenty miles in by road, and

562
00:35:19.639 --> 00:35:23.280
the forest is incredibly thick at this part of the

563
00:35:23.320 --> 00:35:23.840
bull Run.

564
00:35:25.480 --> 00:35:28.400
It's just incredible. And I mean, you think about it's

565
00:35:28.519 --> 00:35:32.239
ninety five, so you don't have I mean, you don't

566
00:35:32.239 --> 00:35:34.119
have a cell phone. It probably wouldn't even work if

567
00:35:34.159 --> 00:35:36.960
you did, you know, I mean, did.

568
00:35:36.880 --> 00:35:38.000
You have the radio on the truck?

569
00:35:38.239 --> 00:35:41.440
Radio? Okay, okay, so you at least had that. Wow,

570
00:35:42.480 --> 00:35:44.880
Holy mackerel, that just blows my mind.

571
00:35:44.880 --> 00:35:46.559
I actually I had a probably one of the days

572
00:35:46.599 --> 00:35:50.480
that I was working on this, the problem with the

573
00:35:50.559 --> 00:35:54.400
drive shaft, and so I wasn't able to leave on

574
00:35:54.440 --> 00:35:56.880
my own. I had to call for help to come

575
00:35:56.920 --> 00:35:59.840
in and get me. So the tow truck had a

576
00:36:00.280 --> 00:36:05.840
long ways into the bull Run to get my truck out,

577
00:36:06.679 --> 00:36:08.840
so it was a long wait. But yeah, I could

578
00:36:08.920 --> 00:36:12.320
make contact with somebody who needed something, but there's nobody

579
00:36:12.360 --> 00:36:14.519
to come talk to you or see you or help

580
00:36:14.559 --> 00:36:17.599
you for hours. It just took that long to drive

581
00:36:17.599 --> 00:36:17.960
in there.

582
00:36:20.599 --> 00:36:26.960
Interesting. I was going to ask if there were stories

583
00:36:27.000 --> 00:36:30.840
passed around with the people you worked with in this area,

584
00:36:30.880 --> 00:36:34.000
but then I'm thinking, like, there's not a lot of

585
00:36:34.039 --> 00:36:36.400
people to even pass around stories.

586
00:36:36.440 --> 00:36:41.000
I mean, so there were, but nothing with details kind

587
00:36:41.000 --> 00:36:44.920
of I heard it. So I heard stories from my

588
00:36:45.119 --> 00:36:48.199
colleague who did the same job I did, except for

589
00:36:48.280 --> 00:36:51.719
not in the bull Run because he'd been working there

590
00:36:51.760 --> 00:36:55.119
for many years prior to me, and I think he

591
00:36:55.159 --> 00:36:58.039
worked there many years after me, and so he'd been

592
00:36:58.079 --> 00:37:00.320
around the Forest Service for a while and he's just

593
00:37:00.360 --> 00:37:03.440
the things that are whispered around the office kind of

594
00:37:03.480 --> 00:37:07.920
a thing more specifically, And I think I alluded this

595
00:37:08.079 --> 00:37:11.119
to this in my email to you right after the

596
00:37:11.159 --> 00:37:16.239
episode for Loto Pass Road aired that another one of

597
00:37:16.280 --> 00:37:21.800
my jobs weekly. There's a one fire lookout that is

598
00:37:21.840 --> 00:37:25.599
still in the bowl run and it's called Hickman Butte

599
00:37:26.320 --> 00:37:28.559
as the name of the fire lookout. You can people

600
00:37:28.599 --> 00:37:30.559
can google it and you will find pictures of it

601
00:37:30.599 --> 00:37:35.679
and find information about Hickman Butte fire lookout. This the

602
00:37:35.719 --> 00:37:39.719
one that has survived because most of those with the

603
00:37:39.719 --> 00:37:44.400
advent of technology were torn down and not staffed, and

604
00:37:44.679 --> 00:37:47.480
so Hickman Mute was still staffed. There was one volunteer

605
00:37:47.559 --> 00:37:51.760
young man who stayed up in the tower twenty four

606
00:37:51.760 --> 00:37:59.079
to seven for weeks at a time, and his so

607
00:37:59.159 --> 00:38:01.400
one of my jobs to run up there once a week,

608
00:38:01.880 --> 00:38:04.800
grab his garbage, throw it in the back of the engine,

609
00:38:05.800 --> 00:38:10.199
but also to bring him about four i would say,

610
00:38:10.239 --> 00:38:14.760
four or five five gallon containers of water, so he

611
00:38:14.800 --> 00:38:17.719
had twenty to twenty five gallons of fresh water once

612
00:38:17.760 --> 00:38:20.280
a week because there's no water to the top of

613
00:38:20.320 --> 00:38:23.760
the to the top of the butte where the lookout is.

614
00:38:23.840 --> 00:38:25.480
So that was my job once a week to drive

615
00:38:25.559 --> 00:38:28.840
up to that lookout and like I said, take him

616
00:38:28.880 --> 00:38:33.599
water and take his trash. And so the first time

617
00:38:33.760 --> 00:38:38.360
I went up there, my colleague who did not work

618
00:38:38.360 --> 00:38:41.360
in the bowl run drove with me, or road with

619
00:38:41.440 --> 00:38:44.480
me up there, guiding me how to get which road

620
00:38:44.519 --> 00:38:49.320
to turn, where to get to the lookout. And so

621
00:38:49.400 --> 00:38:52.800
he went up with me and we climbed to the

622
00:38:52.800 --> 00:38:58.079
top of the tower, met the volunteer, the or the

623
00:38:58.119 --> 00:39:03.840
employee who worked there, and I remember looking out. We're

624
00:39:03.880 --> 00:39:06.639
on the catwalk around the top of the tower, and

625
00:39:06.719 --> 00:39:09.719
we're looking off to the north northwest and there was

626
00:39:09.760 --> 00:39:12.480
a ridge off in the distance, and they're in a

627
00:39:12.519 --> 00:39:15.639
couple of the pictures I sent you. It's about the

628
00:39:15.679 --> 00:39:19.119
farthest ridge you can see in those pictures. He pointed

629
00:39:19.119 --> 00:39:22.400
at that ridge. He says, there's all kinds of rumblings

630
00:39:22.440 --> 00:39:26.000
about from the Forest Service employees about Bigfoot being up

631
00:39:26.039 --> 00:39:31.639
over and there. So that was a very clear acknowledgment.

632
00:39:31.679 --> 00:39:33.840
Again the Forest Service. People in the Forest Service know

633
00:39:35.360 --> 00:39:37.719
we don't share, they don't share with the public, but

634
00:39:37.840 --> 00:39:41.519
they know, so they talk about amongst themselves. And this

635
00:39:41.639 --> 00:39:44.519
is an area that's known if you want to see Bigfoot,

636
00:39:44.519 --> 00:39:48.199
that's where to go. And I've told you looking at

637
00:39:48.199 --> 00:39:51.039
the map, I think it's a wilderness area or really

638
00:39:51.039 --> 00:39:54.039
close to one, which means you would have access by foot,

639
00:39:54.599 --> 00:39:57.280
just have to have an adventurous person who would want

640
00:39:57.320 --> 00:40:01.360
to walk up in there. It's this day and age

641
00:40:01.440 --> 00:40:04.880
is called the Marco Hatfield Wilderness. I think you had

642
00:40:04.880 --> 00:40:07.679
a different name back in the nineteen nineties with the

643
00:40:07.760 --> 00:40:12.280
Hatfield Wilderness. Is where that ridgeline would be. Just by

644
00:40:13.239 --> 00:40:15.840
looking at the pictures and what the view escape from

645
00:40:15.840 --> 00:40:18.559
that lookout tower would be and where the ridges would

646
00:40:18.559 --> 00:40:23.039
be run, it has to be that area, so again

647
00:40:23.119 --> 00:40:25.920
people can get up into there. One of the last

648
00:40:25.960 --> 00:40:29.599
sets of things I sent to were for Nesmyth Point

649
00:40:30.159 --> 00:40:32.679
and there used to be a fire tower there and

650
00:40:33.239 --> 00:40:36.519
my friend colleague took me there to that spot just

651
00:40:36.559 --> 00:40:38.360
to show me where the fire tower used to be.

652
00:40:39.159 --> 00:40:43.880
And there's a trail that comes up from the Calmia

653
00:40:43.960 --> 00:40:47.639
River gorge and there's definitely places up there at Nesmuth

654
00:40:47.639 --> 00:40:49.199
Point where you can look out and you can see

655
00:40:49.199 --> 00:40:50.840
the gorge down into the gorge and the river and

656
00:40:50.880 --> 00:40:56.360
across to Washington State. The trail takes off from the

657
00:40:56.639 --> 00:41:00.880
Loa And if I'm saying that lo Wall parking Lot

658
00:41:03.280 --> 00:41:06.920
is Asmuth Point. Trail number four twenty eight takes you

659
00:41:07.000 --> 00:41:10.480
up to that point. And I hiked in that area,

660
00:41:10.559 --> 00:41:13.079
got out of my truck and walked several times because

661
00:41:13.079 --> 00:41:14.880
there's no road that takes you right there, even from

662
00:41:14.920 --> 00:41:18.440
within the Bull Run. Well, the trail is you can tell,

663
00:41:18.559 --> 00:41:21.199
is an old two track road, but it's been abandoned

664
00:41:21.239 --> 00:41:22.760
for a while and it's and it's closed off to

665
00:41:22.840 --> 00:41:27.920
vehicle traffic. But yeah, up in that area is a

666
00:41:27.920 --> 00:41:32.880
place that is accessible by trail. There's definitely some knowledge

667
00:41:32.920 --> 00:41:40.079
of for service employees of a bigfoot in the in

668
00:41:40.119 --> 00:41:43.360
the Bull Run. Oh. I just remembered on the on

669
00:41:43.440 --> 00:41:48.119
the fire tower, there was a week when the guy

670
00:41:48.159 --> 00:41:51.239
who worked that he was married with kids and he

671
00:41:51.679 --> 00:41:53.440
was away from them all summer, and he took a

672
00:41:53.480 --> 00:41:56.800
week off from manning the fire tower to go back

673
00:41:56.800 --> 00:42:00.199
and be a family for a week. And so it

674
00:42:00.239 --> 00:42:02.840
fell to me to be up in the tower all

675
00:42:02.920 --> 00:42:06.480
day every day, and so for that week, and I

676
00:42:06.480 --> 00:42:10.239
want to say that was in August, I was up

677
00:42:10.239 --> 00:42:13.239
in there and I just most days I would just

678
00:42:13.280 --> 00:42:16.559
drive up and climb up the tower and sit in

679
00:42:16.599 --> 00:42:20.800
the tower and watch for smoke during the day. There

680
00:42:20.920 --> 00:42:23.840
was one one night out of the lunch that I decided,

681
00:42:23.840 --> 00:42:25.039
you know, I just want to stay up here for

682
00:42:25.119 --> 00:42:28.599
the night, and so I did and got permission to

683
00:42:28.599 --> 00:42:31.159
do so. And it was it was definitely interesting, and

684
00:42:31.199 --> 00:42:35.519
I remember going out on the cowalk and straining to

685
00:42:35.559 --> 00:42:39.000
look with binoculars and scopes. Is there anything moving out there?

686
00:42:39.480 --> 00:42:42.000
Can I hear anything? I don't recall that anything like

687
00:42:42.079 --> 00:42:44.599
that happened while I was up there, which was disappointing, honestly,

688
00:42:44.599 --> 00:42:46.960
because that that was one time I was hoping to

689
00:42:46.960 --> 00:42:51.639
see a bigfoot, really truly thought about wanting to see one.

690
00:42:53.039 --> 00:42:57.039
And it's just looking at the pictures of that area,

691
00:42:57.239 --> 00:43:01.000
and I mean, I know I have heard of things

692
00:43:01.039 --> 00:43:05.519
happening up in that Hatfield Wilderness that you you talked about.

693
00:43:05.559 --> 00:43:10.239
I believe I've had conversations about that area in the past.

694
00:43:10.360 --> 00:43:14.280
And also it comes pretty close to that whole large

695
00:43:14.360 --> 00:43:16.280
Mountain area too, that comes up a lot.

696
00:43:16.360 --> 00:43:20.880
Yep, yep, yeah, you just said large mountain that. Oh

697
00:43:21.000 --> 00:43:23.360
my goodness, I just remember that now. I remember that

698
00:43:23.760 --> 00:43:27.360
colleague of mine think over there is Large Mountain. There's

699
00:43:27.400 --> 00:43:30.440
been digfoot there that you mentioned the name Large Mountain.

700
00:43:30.679 --> 00:43:36.480
So he confirmed that. So he was a seasonal employee

701
00:43:36.480 --> 00:43:38.679
like me. He's just one that returned Europe for year.

702
00:43:39.159 --> 00:43:43.079
I think he worked for the Oregon Department Highway Department

703
00:43:43.280 --> 00:43:46.800
on snowplows in the winter and good Forest Service firefighting

704
00:43:46.840 --> 00:43:50.599
in the in the summer for years after year.

705
00:43:52.119 --> 00:43:59.679
So the yeah, the episode that we've referred to that

706
00:43:59.719 --> 00:44:04.199
you heard, is that anything. Are you familiar with the

707
00:44:04.320 --> 00:44:07.760
area that they were they were talking about.

708
00:44:09.000 --> 00:44:12.119
Yes, yes, I am. So that was in the area

709
00:44:12.159 --> 00:44:16.760
that my colleague did the patrols. The dividing line was

710
00:44:16.800 --> 00:44:19.719
the Lolo Pass Road. He was west of it and

711
00:44:19.719 --> 00:44:22.039
I was east of it. But as I said, there

712
00:44:22.199 --> 00:44:27.480
there were some times that we crossed over and he

713
00:44:27.519 --> 00:44:29.960
would come with me on my patrol and I go

714
00:44:30.039 --> 00:44:32.039
with him on his patrol. That happened a few times,

715
00:44:32.239 --> 00:44:34.119
not a lot, but a few times. And so part

716
00:44:34.159 --> 00:44:38.320
of his patrol was to drive that Muddy Fork Road,

717
00:44:39.320 --> 00:44:41.000
which is the name of the road that comes off

718
00:44:41.039 --> 00:44:43.400
the Lolo Pass Road where there are campgrounds. There's several

719
00:44:43.480 --> 00:44:47.800
campgrounds back on the Muddy Fork Road off of the

720
00:44:47.880 --> 00:44:50.280
to the to the east of the Low Pass Lolo

721
00:44:50.360 --> 00:44:54.800
Pass Road. In fact, there was one time where there

722
00:44:54.880 --> 00:44:58.920
was a nasty rollover accident that happened in the middle

723
00:44:58.920 --> 00:45:01.719
of the night. He and I had to get out

724
00:45:01.760 --> 00:45:06.519
of bed and go respond to that emergency situation. And

725
00:45:06.559 --> 00:45:08.920
so we're out there right in that so somebody had

726
00:45:09.000 --> 00:45:13.239
taken a turn too fast on the four service roads

727
00:45:13.960 --> 00:45:16.599
and rolled over in there. So I spent some time

728
00:45:16.639 --> 00:45:19.119
in there. I know where the campgrounds are, I know

729
00:45:19.119 --> 00:45:21.480
where the creek is. I remember looking down over the

730
00:45:21.480 --> 00:45:24.239
creek that they were talking about in that episode. And

731
00:45:24.280 --> 00:45:26.840
that's again part of what prompted me to write you,

732
00:45:26.920 --> 00:45:28.360
is like, oh, I can remember that spot.

733
00:45:30.920 --> 00:45:36.400
Yeah, it's I've never had. I'm just I'm thinking of that.

734
00:45:39.719 --> 00:45:41.880
I'm not sure how I feel about that one is

735
00:45:41.960 --> 00:45:48.199
it makes me a little nervous. It's I don't know, man,

736
00:45:49.159 --> 00:45:51.000
I don't know if I would go out in that area.

737
00:45:51.199 --> 00:45:53.519
I mean, well, you did it for years. I mean

738
00:45:53.559 --> 00:45:56.119
it was your job, going out in that area by yourself,

739
00:45:58.000 --> 00:46:00.480
just a radio, and you're I mean sounds like he

740
00:46:00.519 --> 00:46:01.639
did it for years.

741
00:46:02.480 --> 00:46:04.760
No, I only did it for one year. I did

742
00:46:04.800 --> 00:46:06.800
those kinds of things for years in different parts of

743
00:46:06.800 --> 00:46:09.480
the country. I was kind of the adventurous sort that

744
00:46:09.639 --> 00:46:11.920
wanted to just, well, let's go try getting a job

745
00:46:11.920 --> 00:46:13.280
in this part of the country, and let's go try

746
00:46:13.320 --> 00:46:16.480
this part of the just to see the country sort

747
00:46:16.480 --> 00:46:18.840
of a thing. The other guy who did the same

748
00:46:18.880 --> 00:46:22.480
job as me had done it for years, so I

749
00:46:22.480 --> 00:46:25.599
had his experience, and he's again he's the one who's saying, yeah,

750
00:46:25.639 --> 00:46:28.599
big puts up on large mountain kind of a thing.

751
00:46:28.760 --> 00:46:34.519
So yeah, I don't that's what else to add there,

752
00:46:35.000 --> 00:46:37.559
but that area where the campgrounds are, that wouldn't be

753
00:46:37.559 --> 00:46:40.360
too concerning it. I guess I was out there in

754
00:46:40.400 --> 00:46:44.960
that full run day after day for about six months

755
00:46:45.519 --> 00:46:48.360
I did that job. I don't know, I like five

756
00:46:49.119 --> 00:46:54.239
five months and they're just about every day, and I

757
00:46:54.239 --> 00:46:57.440
don't know. I didn't ever worry about something happening to me.

758
00:46:57.480 --> 00:46:59.960
I guess I always thought, I know where the road is,

759
00:47:00.199 --> 00:47:03.639
and I know where I have a radio, and I

760
00:47:03.679 --> 00:47:06.719
did have a walkie talkie that would connect into the

761
00:47:06.760 --> 00:47:13.440
same network radio if I was off the truck. I

762
00:47:13.519 --> 00:47:15.440
just guess I didn't really worry about it, didn't think

763
00:47:15.440 --> 00:47:18.400
about it. But it was definitely adventurous to be nobody

764
00:47:18.559 --> 00:47:21.440
in this area where nobody was you know the occasion.

765
00:47:21.519 --> 00:47:25.320
I remember coming across people a couple of times that

766
00:47:25.440 --> 00:47:29.440
were in there, but they were They had lighter vehicles

767
00:47:29.440 --> 00:47:31.199
than I, and one of them was a motorcycle. There's

768
00:47:31.199 --> 00:47:33.920
no way I'm catching up to a motorcycle on these

769
00:47:34.000 --> 00:47:39.320
roads with a with an engine. So yeah, I did

770
00:47:39.480 --> 00:47:41.400
encounter people a couple of times. I never actually talked

771
00:47:41.440 --> 00:47:41.760
to them.

772
00:47:42.679 --> 00:47:45.880
Okay, so you were you encountered unauthorized people in this

773
00:47:46.039 --> 00:47:50.840
area then ye wow yeah, oh man, any idea what

774
00:47:51.000 --> 00:47:52.440
they may have been doing in there.

775
00:47:53.960 --> 00:47:56.840
I'm guessing they're just well, the one was riding a

776
00:47:56.880 --> 00:48:00.000
dirt bike. I'm sure they were just riding their bike

777
00:48:00.159 --> 00:48:02.360
back in there and seeing how far in they could.

778
00:48:02.679 --> 00:48:07.119
I'm guessing they're exploring. I'm trying to remember that area

779
00:48:07.199 --> 00:48:12.360
of bull Run. There's a power lines that run through there,

780
00:48:12.400 --> 00:48:15.519
and there's a power line cut. We heard plenty that

781
00:48:17.440 --> 00:48:22.119
Bigfoot likes to follow power lines cuts just because it's

782
00:48:22.119 --> 00:48:29.960
easier walking for him or her. So yep, I found

783
00:48:30.000 --> 00:48:37.639
the cut. If you find Aimes, Oregon actually, which is

784
00:48:37.679 --> 00:48:40.440
close to the town of bull Run, Oregon, and you

785
00:48:40.480 --> 00:48:43.760
can find a straight line that runs across right past

786
00:48:43.840 --> 00:48:48.960
Large Mountain, so that would have been an interesting place

787
00:48:49.039 --> 00:48:53.239
to look in there between Yeah, the little town of Ames,

788
00:48:53.280 --> 00:48:59.800
Oregon and Large Mountain. It comes out on the east

789
00:48:59.800 --> 00:49:09.039
side near Bonneville Power Station, which is the Bonneville Damn Powers. Yeah,

790
00:49:09.079 --> 00:49:11.639
BONNIVL Damn Hydropower hydro electric power.

791
00:49:12.079 --> 00:49:12.840
Sure so.

792
00:49:14.280 --> 00:49:18.480
But yeah, I remember the dirt bike took off down that.

793
00:49:19.559 --> 00:49:20.880
I followed him on the road for a bit and

794
00:49:20.920 --> 00:49:24.360
then he took off down that cut off road. Is

795
00:49:24.360 --> 00:49:27.480
there's no way I'm not going to trying an angine.

796
00:49:28.199 --> 00:49:33.039
I'll just break it or get stuck. The other time

797
00:49:33.280 --> 00:49:36.719
was up in that northern area because people that is

798
00:49:38.199 --> 00:49:41.039
there's a road that runs at the north end of

799
00:49:43.679 --> 00:49:49.000
yep n S National Forest Road twenty and there's actually

800
00:49:49.039 --> 00:49:51.679
a place on the map that where the Large Mountain

801
00:49:51.760 --> 00:49:58.000
Road also connects, in which I believe north the Large

802
00:49:58.000 --> 00:50:00.440
Mountain Road is public like a county road or something

803
00:50:00.480 --> 00:50:05.480
like that. And there's a four service entrance that there

804
00:50:05.480 --> 00:50:08.360
were four service Road twenty takes off and it's called

805
00:50:08.360 --> 00:50:12.320
the North Entrance. OHI labeled that salmon Berries because there

806
00:50:12.320 --> 00:50:13.639
were a lot of salmon berries in there, and it's

807
00:50:13.639 --> 00:50:18.679
the top beneath them. They were really good. But there, Yeah,

808
00:50:18.719 --> 00:50:21.760
there was an area there and to the bull Run

809
00:50:22.000 --> 00:50:27.079
on in that area, and so somebody was in that area.

810
00:50:28.000 --> 00:50:33.599
They'd parked along the art the large Mountain road. I

811
00:50:33.679 --> 00:50:36.119
think honestly that one. I don't think. I think they're

812
00:50:36.159 --> 00:50:39.119
in there gathering berries. So there it was. They were

813
00:50:39.159 --> 00:50:42.199
not very far from the from the entrance at all.

814
00:50:42.960 --> 00:50:45.239
There were just those vines in there with the berries

815
00:50:45.239 --> 00:50:47.920
on them.

816
00:50:48.159 --> 00:50:53.360
Such such an interesting area. I know there's just a

817
00:50:53.519 --> 00:50:57.639
ton of encounters from this area. You just have to

818
00:50:57.639 --> 00:51:03.360
talk to the right people. But wow, it has been

819
00:51:04.360 --> 00:51:08.199
so enlightening being able to talk to someone who spent

820
00:51:08.360 --> 00:51:11.280
time in this area. Rick. I want to make sure

821
00:51:11.280 --> 00:51:14.840
that you were able to share all the things that

822
00:51:14.920 --> 00:51:18.840
you had come prepared to share today.

823
00:51:19.079 --> 00:51:19.559
I think so.

824
00:51:21.079 --> 00:51:25.920
I think we hit highlights fantastic Again. I appreciate you,

825
00:51:25.920 --> 00:51:28.960
you know, sharing some things from over your years in

826
00:51:29.000 --> 00:51:33.039
the forestry service. And if this jogs the mind of

827
00:51:33.159 --> 00:51:37.719
anyone listening about places like Larch Mountain or bull Run,

828
00:51:37.760 --> 00:51:39.920
I would love to talk to you. You can reach

829
00:51:39.960 --> 00:51:43.159
out to me Big for Society gmail dot com, send

830
00:51:43.159 --> 00:51:44.719
me an email. I would love to talk to you.

831
00:51:44.719 --> 00:51:48.000
About what you experienced as well. But Rick, thank you

832
00:51:48.039 --> 00:51:50.400
so much for coming on the show today and for

833
00:51:50.480 --> 00:51:51.480
spending some time with us.

834
00:51:52.599 --> 00:51:55.239
I appreciate Jeremiah, and you're welcome.

835
00:52:04.119 --> 00:52:09.039
I was calling about the Bigfoot story in the Garden

836
00:52:09.079 --> 00:52:11.800
of the Gods, and I just want to tell you

837
00:52:12.320 --> 00:52:17.480
that everyone calls some sasquatch around here. But not only that.

838
00:52:17.599 --> 00:52:21.360
I'm telling you I don't really know much. But why

839
00:52:21.400 --> 00:52:25.880
it was calling is because, yes, I live in Harrisburg, Illinois.

840
00:52:26.119 --> 00:52:30.239
We have statues of it outside of our courthouse and

841
00:52:30.360 --> 00:52:32.960
one uptown so people could take pictures with it. We

842
00:52:33.039 --> 00:52:37.159
have sasquatch festivals. I'm not sure what Murphy's World does,

843
00:52:37.199 --> 00:52:41.280
but I do know this, and I could give you

844
00:52:41.360 --> 00:52:44.280
gas station phone numbers. I could give you a courthouse number.

845
00:52:44.760 --> 00:52:47.480
I can give you the best ways to get to

846
00:52:47.760 --> 00:52:53.519
some of the more beautiful towns if you are interested

847
00:52:53.559 --> 00:52:56.639
in that. I guess you could either text me. I

848
00:52:56.679 --> 00:53:02.159
probably won't answer a call. I don't know I sent

849
00:53:02.239 --> 00:53:07.760
a text beforehand that might work. But I can lead

850
00:53:07.840 --> 00:53:11.639
you to people who could lead you to people. And

851
00:53:12.440 --> 00:53:17.440
if that's any If that tickles your fancy, let me

852
00:53:17.480 --> 00:53:17.960
know and.

853
00:53:20.119 --> 00:53:20.719
I'll do it. Grey.

854
00:53:21.280 --> 00:53:22.000
Thanks so much.

855
00:53:22.800 --> 00:53:23.679
My name is Beth.

856
00:53:25.840 --> 00:53:28.320
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857
00:53:28.360 --> 00:53:31.760
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858
00:53:31.800 --> 00:53:35.159
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859
00:53:38.280 --> 00:53:39.800
I just want to take a minute to say thank

860
00:53:39.800 --> 00:53:42.559
you for listening to this episode of the Bigfoot Society Podcast.

861
00:53:42.760 --> 00:53:44.960
Rick's story is one of those encounters that lingers not

862
00:53:45.119 --> 00:53:48.239
because of what was seen, but because of what was felt,

863
00:53:48.400 --> 00:53:50.840
that deep sense that something else was out there and

864
00:53:50.880 --> 00:53:53.599
it was watching. A huge thanks to Rick for giving

865
00:53:53.679 --> 00:53:56.199
us a rare look into the bull Run Watershed, a

866
00:53:56.239 --> 00:53:58.679
place most of us will never see, but one that

867
00:53:58.760 --> 00:54:01.840
may be hiding more than old trees and locked roads.

868
00:54:02.079 --> 00:54:04.559
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871
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872
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875
00:54:23.119 --> 00:54:26.599
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876
00:54:26.639 --> 00:54:29.760
someone you know has had a Bigfoot encounter, especially in

877
00:54:29.840 --> 00:54:33.880
Oregon near places like Lolo Pass, mount Hood or the

878
00:54:33.880 --> 00:54:36.679
Bull Run Watershed. I'd love to hear your stories. Please

879
00:54:36.679 --> 00:54:40.119
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880
00:54:40.920 --> 00:54:44.800
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888
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889
00:55:12.760 --> 00:55:15.880
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890
00:55:16.400 --> 00:55:17.360
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