Aug. 24, 2024

Wildlife Conservationist from India shares his Bigfoot Encounter

In this episode, Jeremiah with Bigfoot Society welcomes Nav, a seasoned wildlife conservationist from India, whose globe-spanning career has brought him face-to-face with extraordinary phenomena. Amidst his conservation efforts, Nav recounts...

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Season 1

In this episode, Jeremiah with Bigfoot Society welcomes Nav, a seasoned wildlife conservationist from India, whose globe-spanning career has brought him face-to-face with extraordinary phenomena. Amidst his conservation efforts, Nav recounts spine-chilling encounters with unknown creatures, including a potential Orang Pendek sighting in Sumatra and a thrilling face-off with a mysterious being in the dense forests of Kananaskis in the Rocky Mountains of Alberta, Canada. Delve into Nav's gripping stories, his belief in undiscovered humanoid apes, and the compelling evidence supporting their existence. His accounts challenge conventional evolutionary theories and call for a unified, open-minded approach to uncover these cryptids before they vanish.

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the show. The following interview takes place between myself in

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Iowa and Nav, a wildlife conservationist from India. That being said,

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there will be multiple audio quality issues, but please enjoy

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All right, big Because Society, You've got the privilege of

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talking to Nav today. Nov is a wildlife conservationist from India.

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It's a pleasure talking to you today.

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Nov.

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You reached out to me through email. I think you

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even sent me some voicemails as well.

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Yeah, thank you, Jeremiah, absolutely, yes, thank you so much.

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I am really excited to talk to you tonight. It's

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been a while getting this to work. It's eight thirty

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in Iowa and it's seven seven thirty or seven eight

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in India.

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So all right, you and Iowa lovely. I've never been there,

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so another place I have to visit in the future.

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Absolutely, So Nov, let's get right into it. I'd like

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to welcome you to share what you've experienced over the

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years as a wildcare conservationist.

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Yeah, I mean it's a long story. I've always had

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a passion for our life. From the late teens, I

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was involved in working for various wildlife organizations, some very

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high profile like Environmental Investigation Agency which investigates the illegal

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trade in sities and dangered species. So Debbie Banks, who

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was one of the head campaigns there I know very

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very well. Worked for Fauna Florida International, which is London

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Zoological Society, so I knew very well the CEO John Burton,

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David Attenberg. You might know from BBC TV series So

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Rang International Ngatwan Foundation Ashley Lehman, so a lot of

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the top most high profile conservationists working on dangered species

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protection and preservation all over the world. As I was. Also,

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I'm also a lawyer, so while I'm retired now, but

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I was a lawyer. So I used that to some

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extent to feel that sort of passion and help with

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those sort of whatever sort of campaigns I was doing.

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So I've traveled all over the world. I've been to Indonesia,

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Southeast Asia, Malaysia, South America, India, oversty where I'm staying

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living now. I'm of Indian origin Africa. So in my

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pursuit of this passion of mine, yeah, for over the well,

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so you could say for thirty years.

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Over thirty years, that's absolutely fascinating.

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It just.

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The information that you have is probably more than I

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could ever even imagine of just being able to go

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to the different countries of the world. It's so fascinating.

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But it sounds like in your travels you've had some

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sightings of some really interesting things that are not normal.

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Yeah. Absolutely, And that's what I couldn't come to terms

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with because I was always brought up believing in Darwin

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sort of the evolution natural selection. You know that everything

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was backed up by paleontology and archaeology and anthropology and

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certain species, mostally amazing Jeremiah. I had this sort of

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I knew a couple of people when I was working,

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and one of them was I forget her name. She

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worked for fauner Flora International. I can't remember her name.

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My apologies. This is many years ago, and she had

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a very strange experience and she related it to me

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and I said, well, what was the experience that you had,

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and she said, well, when I was in Indonesia, I

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actually saw a creature that was not a human. It

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was not an ape ol monkey, it was something in between,

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but it was definitely something that would be an unidentified,

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unknown species. So I never thought about it. But bizarrely,

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going to that same place myself in this called Karin,

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she said, Lad, by the way, it's a national park

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in Sumatra, one of the largest, and it's supposed to

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be the place where this creature called orang pendick occurs.

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So when you talk when I went there and talking

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of this must have been almost thirty years ago, just

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under thirty years ago. Sorry, I stayed in the park.

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I went trekking, not for looking for these creatures, by

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the way, I was looking for simang, which is a

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gibbon species, just to see how the park was. There

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were a lot of issues at that time about you know, poaching, deforestation,

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and I wanted to see this for myself. So with

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a guy called mister Solok, who was a guide, we

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were trekking through some forest, dense forest, but there was

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an open patch of grassland in front of both of us.

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Something ran very fast and two legs two feet. So

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he looked to me and I looked at him and

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I said, well, do you know what could run that

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fast and two feet? It can't be in a It

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can't be a bear. I mean, some bear is an

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animal that occurs, a small bear species, but it can't

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run for that distance. And we saw it. We didn't

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see it clearly, but we saw like a head and

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something disappeared very very fast. So I just brushed it off.

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To tell you the truth, I know this lady had

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spoken to it, seen it, but yeah, I mean there's

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a lot of evidence of this orange pandalic. The locals

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know that, the villagers know it, and they definitely say

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it's not an orangutwent, it's not a gibbon. It's something

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like it's like humanoid features, but it's something in between.

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So why I'm saying this, Jeremi, It's like, because I've

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been to so many places. How is it that in

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so many of the places of the world that I've been,

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people who are well informed, people who are not, who

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are credible, who have actually said, no, there is something here.

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And you know, I've had so many other experiences, not

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like the one I had in Karanascus, by the way,

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that is undoubtedly the most bizarre, but I'll come to

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that later. We will come to that. The other one

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was in India, and everyone knows about the Yetti And

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there's one place in northeast India. It's a state actually,

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it's a state called Megalia. It's a small state. Most

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of it's forested, most of it's very inaccessible, and it

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has a very very small population. And there's a place

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called no Crek National Park. It's like a park, it's

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protected bro I had gone there with a guy called

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Philip Parry and who was the tourism one of a

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tourism officers. Actually, I've actually been given his details by

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another charity that I that I used to work alongside with,

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which was Wildlife Trust of India, which by the way,

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is supported you might know of it by International Fund

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Funermal Welfare. And the reason why he visited this place

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is because again it was very rich and biodiversity. It

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was very important, very crucial for protecting. So when we

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were there for about a day, we went to one

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part of the forest. We were going to go trekking,

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but one of the forest officers said, I'm sorry, it's closed.

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So Philip and I scholl, why has it closed? What's happened?

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And why are the villages being relocated? There were some

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villages that were situated inside that particular part of the park,

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but they were relocated out and you could see the

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people outside and they were sort of like theirs or

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not belongings, but in like you know, little groups, and

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they look quite sort of disoriented. So I asked Philip,

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I said, well, you know what's happened? And so he

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spoke in their language. These were garrowed people, like tribal people.

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So they said they saw an animal and that was

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not a bear. So again in this area you get

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maybe Himalian black bears and bears. They said it was

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much taller. They said it looked identical to a human

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almost almost, but was covered in hair. So what could

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it possibly be? I mean, I thought, are these people exaggerating?

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Are they are they sort of like believing in some

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mythical creature? You know, because you know, when you believe

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in something that is mythical, sometimes it almost it almost

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becomes graphically, it becomes so inconstant and subconsciously you begin

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to see something which you believe although it doesn't actually exist.

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And I discussed this with Philip, I discussed with others.

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So interestingly, here they call it manday Burham. So they

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had names for these creatures, and their names are different

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from what they have for bears or any other animals.

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And they say, no, it exists, and that's why. But

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it's rare. But when we see it, yes, we get

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frightened because we don't know about how will it interact

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with us. So that's just to give you sort of

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a background of you know, those experiences and other people.

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I've come across many instances by the way of not

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if I'm myself personally seeing things or speaking to people

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who said Oh no, no, this this definitely exists. It's

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not a question of even if it does exist, But

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we don't have the resources. We don't have the team

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work or the staff to go out into these very deep,

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inaccessible forested areas to be able to locate these creatures.

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So that's just the kind of background you know, in

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the past of my sort of experiences of these type

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of entities or whatever creatures.

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That's I mean, that is fascinating. Has there been expeditions

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to try to look further into that creature? Is it

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really that remote where it hasn't really been looked into before?

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Yeah, I mean basically northeast India, the extreme northeast. It's

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a very very densely forested area. It's intractable, it's inaccessible,

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massively deep, gorgeous. Just to give you some idea, if

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you try to walk into that forest, sometimes you can't

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see beyond one foot it's that dense. So you know,

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you need people with proper equipment to be able to

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go there, proper supplies and see in India, we don't

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have those resources. We don't have well to be once

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to you nowhere in the world, right, I mean, you

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can't take any mechanized vehicles there. You can't take horses

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or ponies because you know that the kind of topography

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is such that you're walking in very rugged terrain. And

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myself being a trekker and I've done it trekking for

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a long time, I know these how difficult can be

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to even walk one or two kilometers right because of

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the type of terrain. So yeah, it's they don't have

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the backing, they don't have the because you know, India

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has so many other problems. We have so many issues

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dealing with environment, with population, with whatever we do have

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that we're protecting by wildlife, so it's difficult to give

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attention to this. But if you look at the kind

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of topography, you can see that it's the kind of

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thing that would support and could support these animals because

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there's a lot of vegetation, there's a lot of food sources,

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a lot of shade, a lot of water. And you know,

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people will turn around and say, over, hang on, wait

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a minute, how can this support an animal that's so tall?

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And you know, and I said, well, I've been to

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jungles in India that are only maybe fifty to one

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hundred square kilometers, but on which you get elephant herds,

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and I've never seen the elephants because the jungle is

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so dense that you know, and the elephants don't come

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they don't need to come out. They've got enough food,

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so that you know. The assumption that, oh, because animals

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of particular size, you should see it easily is absolute nonsense.

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And that's one thing I want to dismiss because I

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hear all the time, Oh, but you know if this

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animal is so huge eight feet nine feet, then you'd

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see it. Well, I said, well, look, I've been through

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jungles in the world. I've been in jungles where their

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elephants they're banting their gold. They're tigers. You don't see them,

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you don't even hear them, and they're there, and these

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are small jungles. So on that basis, this is entirely viable.

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So yeah, a lot more work needs to be done, Jeremy,

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A lot more work needs to be done to increase

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increase awareness of this creature. And can I just say

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one thing. People forget that there's a lot of fossil

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evidence of these creatures in India because in the Shevalics,

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so basically, when the Himalias were formed when that's part

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of India that the strangle is shape, if you like,

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of the Indian India broke off from Africa on Dana

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land and it smashed into the Asian It formed the

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Himalias sixty million years ago, and from that point onwards

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you had a lot of evolution of species and things.

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And in the Himalias there are foothills called the shiv Arlics.

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In the Schevarlis they found fossils of the very first

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ape men or if you like, apes called ramapithecenes. And

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how interesting from that we get gigant Epithecus, the fossils

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or which were found in northeast India and China. So

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why is it not feasible that there should be some

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line that survived and which is manifested by these species

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today if just within the yeti and a lot of

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people say, oh, the yeti is just a Tibetan blue

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bears and unidentified because they found a scalp in some

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Tibetan monastery in Nepal which was instantly that was of

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a bear. They believed it was a yeti, so they

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dismissed it. But it's absolute garbage because Indian troops, Indian soldiers,

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Indian officers who've been in amalias at twenty thousand feet

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because you know they're patrolling that area against invasion. They've

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seen this animal. They've seen an animal that's not a bear.

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They said, no, it's not a bear. And which bear

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can walk erect for a period for a distance of sorry,

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a distance of one or two kilometers. No bear can

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do that. The bear might get up on its hind

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legs and so on, but how can they walk for one, two, three,

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four kilometers? But these tracks have been seen in the

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amlias and the stride between the tracks and there's nothing

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around it. So it's not like someone has gone around

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and faked it, because if they did, you see the

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signs of their footsteps or things around those tracks, and

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there's nothing of the kind. And then the pressure on

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the ice. When they've looked at the pressure on the ice,

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it has to be around five hundred to eight hundred

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pounds because the rice is so compact and strong, you

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need to have so much body weight to press to

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leave that type of an imprint. So that's really the issue.

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It just isn't the resources. I think there isn't really

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the interest because there's so many other issues, and that's

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why I think.

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It's absolutely fascinating. You are a wildlife concernationist. Is part

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of what you're trying to do prove these humanoid ape

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type creatures that haven't been discovered yet or what is

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your relation to that?

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Yeah, good point, Jerema. The fact is I have an

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open mind for everything. I do believe they exist, and

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that's part of the reason why I really want to

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go and try to find out more evidences information. I

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know a guy very well. He's a very close friend

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of mine, Dr David Shivers. He's a retired professor of

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veterinary anatomy from Cambridge University. He's been on the TV,

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he's been on radio. He's very very well known in

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the circles. He's one of the top primatologists in the world.

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He believes fervently in the existence of this creature. Why

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would he compromise his reputation although I know he's retired,

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but even when he was not retired, he would do

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nothing to compromise his academic reputation, his credentials by believing

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in something if it were bogus. And when I've spoken

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to him at length and I've learn him for almost

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thirty years, doctor David Jive, I still keep up with him.

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And he said no, He said, there is a lot

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of fake stuff out there, like the videos, but there's

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a lot that is very convincing. And I said, I

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agree with you. And I talked to him about a

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guy you might know, Jeremiah think Ka Tunka, who does

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a wonderful YouTube channel.

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Of course big for a society, who will be right

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back after these messages.

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I think Katunka if you look at his Analo says,

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being in special effects, being in it and knowing you

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know when something has been photoshopped or when something has

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been adulterated. But what I loved about thinka Tunkey. There

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were a couple of videos and one of them was

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the stone Thrower. I can't remember where it was that

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was it, Ohio you time? Sorry, but they showed a

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creature and when thinka Tunka does analysis, I e. He

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looks at the length of the arm of the creature.

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He says, Okay, even if it's a man in a

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fake suit, he'd have to have an arm length that

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equates to that of an ape. And because apes have

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longer arms, right, they have shorter torsos than we do,

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but sorry, they have short, longer torsos, but shorter legs

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and longer arms, and it fit all the dimensions. But

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what really got me was when he showed this creature

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sitting down the meta tarsal bone and the foot. So

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we know, basically we can't bend the arch of our

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foot sole of our foot in half, sorry if that

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makes sense. So the only the ape an ape when

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it can do that, it can bend its foot downwards,

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so it's like in half, so bend allmits its soul

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or it's arch in half. And when I saw that

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actually on the video and he's zooming in, I thought

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that is just bizarre because no human being, monkey suit,

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no monkey suit could do that, let alone have those

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dimensions as physical proportions that I described earlier. And then

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that was one video. The other one was and this

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is what got me interested. That's why I contacted you,

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because I had dismissed what I had seen, as I

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described in my first contact with you. But when I

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saw that video of the contractors in Kananaskis a couple

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of years ago, that I saw this huge creature chuck

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her twenty foot tree some forty to fifty feet distance,

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and you could see the bowl of the little earth

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at the end where the roots were, and you could

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see it was a tree. That convinced me because the

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analysis that thinka Tunka did was just First you can

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see the shadow of this creature, which is at least

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eight to nine feet, and the way it picks this

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thing up and throws it, the way he does the analysis,

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and he gives the weight of the tree, he gives

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the height of the tree. He says, it doesn't matter.

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Even if you are the strongest pole vaulter in the world,

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you wouldn't be able to throw that object even a

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few feet, let alone pick it up and throw it

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in the air. So when I take all this evidence,

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and there's much more, by the way, I'm sorry, I'm

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just giving you ones that come immediately to my mind,

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then I think, yes, of course this creature exists, and

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we're not talking about it because there are a number

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of reasons, and the reasons I believe jeremah it challenges

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traditional evolutionary theory because we're taught to believe that I

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don't know what you think, but we're taught to believe

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that humans, we evolved and all our other competitors died out,

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and there's just the apes and the humans. And it

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suits these Orthodox people who believe in that. Right. Secondly,

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it challenges all mainstream religions because even if you look

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at a lot of Orthodox religions, they don't want to believe. See,

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we believe in Adam and Eve, the Abrahamic religions, Judaism, Christianity, Islam,

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they believe in Thatam believe that man was formed in

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God's form. So when we start talking about these ape

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like creatures to some extent, it challenges a lot of

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the religious ideology in amongst circles. Right. Thirdly, these creatures

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occupy vast ways. For I mean, if you take of Russia,

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the Siberianietti, and you might have seen the one on YouTube.

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This family are in the woods and they see this

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huge creature swinging through the trees and it's amazing. It's

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another amazing video. There's no, it's not a hoax. People

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have looked at it. It's not a chimpanzee. It's three

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two three times the size of a chimpanzee. But when

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you look at the Siberia, Siberia is thirteen one to

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three million square kilometers in size. Can you imagine that?

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So in other words, Siberia if you take the USA's

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nine million square kilometers or Canada Stimili, so it's about

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what one and a half times the size of USA

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or Canada just Siberia within Russia, most of which is forested,

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millions are square kilometers. Of that at least several million

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is forested. So will you take all these forested areas

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similarly the United States? Like I was just looking the

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other day, I just come back from Yellowstone actually a

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month ago. I was in Yellowstone National Park and the

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Tetons and all that. So I passed through that area

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coming from the Waterton side of Canada, Glacier side, and

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I just passed through a fragment of what is supposed

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to be an area that covers eighteen nine thousand square kilometers.

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So that's not just the greater Yellowstone ecosystem, which is

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thirty nine thousand, it's all the other forests like Custer, Gallatin, Lewis, Clark, Shoshone.

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All these together come to eighty nine. So you know, Jeremiah,

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we're talking of a vast area, right, I mean, the

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UK is only two hundred and twenty thousand square kilometers.

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This is eighty nine thousand. So you're telling me, in

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that vast area, huge area, you can't have these animals

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roaming around. What nonsense. Of course you can, and especially

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my experience of being all over the world and looking

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chasing huge animals which have been hidden in smaller fragments.

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But I think the other reason is that these a

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lot of these areas are very rich. They're rich in minerals,

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they're rich in timber. A lot of the commercial interests

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know that in this creature exists, these areas could be

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declared as national parks or protected areas, so it means

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there are off limits to commercial ventures. So it suits

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a lot of the big corporates not to have this

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species verified as existing, because what it does, It then

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means that well, these areas that were right for exploitation

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commercially industrially for mineral resources now becomes more difficult. The

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other reason I believe that I'm saying this because I

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think people inside the government do not exists. But these

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are reasons possibly why it's not being disclosed. The other

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reason is I think that if this creature was verified

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by means that it can be verified by it would

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probably lead to trophy hunters, hunting, poaching, because you can

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imagine why there's a new animal in existence, we know

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it's been identified, Oh wow, why don't we kill one,

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catch one? Why don't we try to find where it

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is a lot of people going into this forested areas uncontrolled.

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So I think there's a lot of and yes, it

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could be that, you know, there are other reasons too,

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but I think there are a lot of factors why

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why institutions, establishments don't want us don't want us to

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know that this exists. I'm not a conspiracy theory believer,

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but I feel that there's a lot of reasons why

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it shouldn't be known to exist.

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Absolutely, while we're around this topic, yeah, you know how,

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I'm sure you keep to date with the news that

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maybe in the US, but over the last few years

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there's been a well really a disclosure of the UFO

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or UA a phenomenon.

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Yes, yes, working absolutely.

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Towards that on the big Foot side of things.

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Very good point, Jeremiah. I don't really know because the

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UFO doesn't impact us on a day to day basis.

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Why I think the information on the truth of the

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Bigfoot is a little bit more compromised. Is because I think,

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as I said before, it occupies the land that we share,

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we human share with the environment, very rich lands. And

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there are two reasons. If it gets protected, it means

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it's a no go area for the big corporates, commercial companies,

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mining companies. It challenges a lot of whatsort as UFO

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about orthodoxy, about religion and everything, because that also does

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I agree with you, So I think that with the Bigfoot,

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it's probably And the other thing is that you see UFOs.

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We can see them in the sky, right, anyone. You

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know they're in the sky, they're more visible. It's in

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the open. But something that's deep in the forests of

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the earth and the bowels of the earth, it's more

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difficult to to be able to say, well, here we go,

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here's the evidence. And you know, the other thing people

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have said is, oh, but there's no body, there's no corpse.

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There's there's there's no Uh what's what about aliens? Have

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they produced an alien corpse? I mean, I know they've

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got these little mummies from from from Peru, right that's

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come in the news, and they said, oh, we believe

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that this is definitely because it's not human DNA. But

449
00:25:26.240 --> 00:25:28.400
look at this, I mean, doesn't mean because you don't

450
00:25:28.440 --> 00:25:31.759
have a physical body until he as a lawyer as myself,

451
00:25:31.799 --> 00:25:35.039
that the evidence does exist. No nonsense. I give you

452
00:25:35.039 --> 00:25:37.839
a perfect scenario. What about murder cases where people have

453
00:25:37.960 --> 00:25:40.359
been murdered, they haven't found the body, but the person

454
00:25:40.400 --> 00:25:42.880
who's accused of murder room is still being convicted on

455
00:25:42.920 --> 00:25:45.000
the other evidence. So you've got to look at all

456
00:25:45.000 --> 00:25:47.319
the other evidence. You've got to look at all other evidence.

457
00:25:47.359 --> 00:25:50.920
Is it still provable beyond a reasonable doubt that Bigfoot exists?

458
00:25:51.240 --> 00:25:53.400
Or is it just circumstantial? Like I said, No, it's

459
00:25:53.440 --> 00:25:57.279
not circumstantial. The other evidence does show it exists. And

460
00:25:57.319 --> 00:26:01.359
when DNA has been taken by way of fur samples

461
00:26:01.359 --> 00:26:04.960
and they've been submitted to laboratories, what really annoys me

462
00:26:05.039 --> 00:26:08.279
is the laboratories come back and say, oh, it's it's

463
00:26:08.440 --> 00:26:13.240
we can't it's it's contaminated. I mean, what garbage? What

464
00:26:13.359 --> 00:26:16.799
absolute garbage. I mean, either you know that it is

465
00:26:16.960 --> 00:26:19.480
a bear or something else or not. I mean, if

466
00:26:19.519 --> 00:26:23.240
it's contaminated, and so many samples have been given, but

467
00:26:23.359 --> 00:26:25.920
why is it laboratories? Most of them are coming back

468
00:26:25.960 --> 00:26:29.640
and saying, well, we can't really determine what this is,

469
00:26:29.720 --> 00:26:32.759
but you can determine other fur samples. If I bring

470
00:26:32.839 --> 00:26:36.359
cat samples in or tiger samples or bears. How many

471
00:26:36.359 --> 00:26:39.039
times have they said, oh, this is contaminated, and or

472
00:26:39.079 --> 00:26:40.680
when you and I give our DNA do they say, oh,

473
00:26:40.720 --> 00:26:43.279
it's contaminated or this or that. So I think that

474
00:26:43.759 --> 00:26:46.799
there is a cover up. I don't know really why

475
00:26:47.079 --> 00:26:50.039
there's a cover up, because I think that there are

476
00:26:50.119 --> 00:26:54.319
means of getting around this. Whether they feel this animal

477
00:26:54.359 --> 00:26:58.240
may be very in a very delicate situation by way

478
00:26:58.240 --> 00:27:02.319
of numbers, that if we give too much information out,

479
00:27:02.359 --> 00:27:05.160
we're concerned that it'll lead to people going in and

480
00:27:05.200 --> 00:27:08.240
looking for it. Because it exists here on earth. It's

481
00:27:08.240 --> 00:27:10.200
not like UFOs you know that come from out of space.

482
00:27:10.920 --> 00:27:13.119
You know, it's the viable, could be compromised. I don't

483
00:27:13.160 --> 00:27:17.039
really know, Jeremiah, but but the evidence is too compelling

484
00:27:17.319 --> 00:27:20.839
about its existence, in my opinion, far too compelling.

485
00:27:21.279 --> 00:27:27.440
It is. It's a fascinating conversation, and but I would

486
00:27:27.480 --> 00:27:32.279
like to let's start looking into Yeah, it sounds like

487
00:27:32.359 --> 00:27:40.119
you've had really interesting I mean interactions. Are you seen

488
00:27:40.240 --> 00:27:44.920
things even more intense than what you saw in Sumatra.

489
00:27:46.839 --> 00:27:49.519
Oh yeah, yeah, in Canaanasciez. It was many years ago

490
00:27:49.640 --> 00:27:52.000
and I was with some friends and it's really funny

491
00:27:52.039 --> 00:27:54.559
I passed the spot. Well, I was just there recently.

492
00:27:54.599 --> 00:27:57.480
I passed the very same spot, which is really as

493
00:27:57.480 --> 00:28:01.359
you go on the Route forty, it's called Kalnaskis trail

494
00:28:01.519 --> 00:28:05.119
Route forty, So as you go inside Kananaskis and you

495
00:28:05.160 --> 00:28:08.079
travel on this area for it's many many k I

496
00:28:08.119 --> 00:28:12.160
don't know how many kilometers, maybe fifty sixty kilometers. So

497
00:28:12.559 --> 00:28:15.680
it's on either side dense forests and you can see

498
00:28:15.680 --> 00:28:19.119
the forest. It sort of goes for miles and miles

499
00:28:19.160 --> 00:28:22.839
and it joins the slopes of these rockies in the

500
00:28:22.839 --> 00:28:28.279
foothills in between in little patches, you have little open

501
00:28:28.480 --> 00:28:33.000
patches of where the rivers are, creeks are of willow breaks.

502
00:28:33.839 --> 00:28:37.680
And that's when I saw this creature. And you know

503
00:28:37.720 --> 00:28:40.119
how when you first see something there's your eyes are

504
00:28:40.119 --> 00:28:42.960
trying to focus because your first thing that goes to

505
00:28:43.000 --> 00:28:46.480
your brain is you can't your eyes are not really

506
00:28:46.480 --> 00:28:51.480
being able to assimilate what you're seeing because your brain

507
00:28:51.559 --> 00:28:55.480
is not interpreticting according to what the brain already processes.

508
00:28:55.519 --> 00:28:58.480
There's no information, if you know what I mean. And

509
00:28:59.200 --> 00:29:02.559
seeing this creature, which we did, and I said it

510
00:29:02.559 --> 00:29:04.240
wasn't for a very long time, but it was for

511
00:29:04.319 --> 00:29:07.359
sufficiently long time to see that it definitely wasn't a human.

512
00:29:07.440 --> 00:29:09.319
It definitely wasn't a beat and what else could be

513
00:29:09.680 --> 00:29:15.480
that height, that stature, that color unless it was an

514
00:29:15.480 --> 00:29:20.400
identified species. And we were all globsmacked. And the fact

515
00:29:20.440 --> 00:29:23.359
is that, you know, we couldn't interpret what it was.

516
00:29:25.279 --> 00:29:30.559
And in canon Ascus there's an information center which you

517
00:29:30.599 --> 00:29:36.440
can visit and you can speak to the staff or whatever.

518
00:29:36.960 --> 00:29:38.799
But the fact is a lot of the people there

519
00:29:39.240 --> 00:29:41.640
they don't want to believe or and then where would

520
00:29:41.680 --> 00:29:43.319
you have the evidence to be able to go and say, well,

521
00:29:43.519 --> 00:29:45.279
you know, i've seen something. It was definitely this, and

522
00:29:45.319 --> 00:29:49.200
here's a photo because everything is dependent on having photographic evidence.

523
00:29:49.680 --> 00:29:53.319
And at that time, you know, we weren't carrying cameras

524
00:29:53.319 --> 00:29:57.680
around or phone cameras and such as the experience that

525
00:29:58.079 --> 00:30:00.480
you don't have the time to be able to look right,

526
00:30:00.519 --> 00:30:02.359
it's not just something here, it is. You can I

527
00:30:02.400 --> 00:30:05.759
see animals. I do wildlife photography as well, and I

528
00:30:05.799 --> 00:30:08.359
see animals and sometimes I'm looking at them for so

529
00:30:08.440 --> 00:30:10.440
many seconds, but I still don't have the time to

530
00:30:10.519 --> 00:30:14.400
focus and take a picture right and record it because

531
00:30:14.480 --> 00:30:17.519
of the light or because of the movement and everything else.

532
00:30:17.519 --> 00:30:21.960
And what I saw was definitely what a lot of

533
00:30:22.000 --> 00:30:24.680
people report as having seen it sort of fit that

534
00:30:24.759 --> 00:30:30.799
criteria and very dark blackish brown in color, very heavy set,

535
00:30:31.279 --> 00:30:33.960
very tall. I couldn't see the features clearly, but the

536
00:30:34.039 --> 00:30:37.960
head was like definitely, it wasn't like a gorilla when

537
00:30:37.960 --> 00:30:40.640
people say like a silver backgrilla, then there's no comparison

538
00:30:40.680 --> 00:30:43.079
to that, but thick set, like you know, probably a

539
00:30:43.279 --> 00:30:45.960
big head, but not like a gorilla silver back head

540
00:30:46.079 --> 00:30:48.839
with a big sagital crest now but broad.

541
00:30:48.599 --> 00:30:52.559
Shoulders, big for society who will be right back after

542
00:30:52.599 --> 00:31:09.599
these messages, and.

543
00:31:10.599 --> 00:31:13.079
The arm length and everything, and it definitely was not

544
00:31:13.160 --> 00:31:15.240
a bear one hundred percent. And if it were a

545
00:31:15.279 --> 00:31:19.279
man again, it would have to be. See the height

546
00:31:19.400 --> 00:31:22.279
is that's a thing. It's very difficult to determine a

547
00:31:22.319 --> 00:31:24.279
height at that distance from the road when you see

548
00:31:24.319 --> 00:31:28.160
something inside this inset, But the distance was such you

549
00:31:28.160 --> 00:31:30.480
could still determine that this thing was at least at

550
00:31:30.599 --> 00:31:32.720
least seven to seven and a half feet. But it

551
00:31:32.759 --> 00:31:35.880
wasn't just the height, it was the body measurements. It

552
00:31:35.960 --> 00:31:39.880
was like the size of the shoulders, the chest, the legs,

553
00:31:40.720 --> 00:31:44.160
the length of the arms. No human and it would

554
00:31:44.200 --> 00:31:47.720
have to be I mean, it would have to be

555
00:31:47.759 --> 00:31:50.880
some type of suit that would be designed by I

556
00:31:50.880 --> 00:31:54.039
don't know what, because the way that you could see

557
00:31:54.079 --> 00:31:57.519
the fur and everything move on that body, no suit,

558
00:31:57.640 --> 00:31:59.640
no fake suit or made suit could do that.

559
00:32:01.519 --> 00:32:05.920
So just to make sure I have the scene set.

560
00:32:06.160 --> 00:32:08.640
When you're looking at the creature, are you seeing it

561
00:32:08.960 --> 00:32:11.599
dead on or are you seeing a side view and

562
00:32:11.680 --> 00:32:13.880
it's it's moving across.

563
00:32:17.480 --> 00:32:20.960
At the time it was, it was brief, so I

564
00:32:20.960 --> 00:32:23.079
didn't see it front on. I didn't see it front

565
00:32:23.079 --> 00:32:26.200
on as far as I can recall, I saw it,

566
00:32:26.680 --> 00:32:29.279
but I saw it side on and I saw it move. Yeah,

567
00:32:29.920 --> 00:32:32.079
so I didn't see its face. Okay, yeah, I didn't

568
00:32:32.079 --> 00:32:35.400
see its face clearly, but I can all I can

569
00:32:35.440 --> 00:32:38.160
remember seeing it side side on and at the back

570
00:32:38.200 --> 00:32:42.119
of the of the backside of it.

571
00:32:42.119 --> 00:32:45.759
It sounds like you had the ability to see muscles

572
00:32:45.799 --> 00:32:47.039
moving under the fur.

573
00:32:51.599 --> 00:32:54.440
If I don't muscle, see a kind of a mass, yeah,

574
00:32:54.559 --> 00:32:58.000
a mass that was was significant. Yeah, the fur definitely

575
00:32:58.079 --> 00:32:58.680
wasn't a suit.

576
00:33:00.640 --> 00:33:04.240
How far away would you would you guess?

577
00:33:04.319 --> 00:33:06.000
Again, this is hard. I know I put on my

578
00:33:06.079 --> 00:33:12.599
thing because now because it wouldn't it will one hundred

579
00:33:12.640 --> 00:33:18.720
feet maybe eighty two hundred feet wow, Yeah, because we

580
00:33:18.720 --> 00:33:21.359
were on the highway and when you go to Kanahaskas,

581
00:33:21.440 --> 00:33:24.640
these clearings when you get out on the road, some

582
00:33:24.680 --> 00:33:29.440
of the clearings are very like they're very close to

583
00:33:29.480 --> 00:33:31.480
the road. So the areas where you're looking at the

584
00:33:31.480 --> 00:33:34.519
wildlife sometimes like I've just seen. I just came back.

585
00:33:34.720 --> 00:33:36.160
I think I was telling you. I was in kanaonask

586
00:33:36.240 --> 00:33:39.279
Canada and America just this last month. So I saw

587
00:33:39.279 --> 00:33:44.519
grizzly bear there fifteen twenty feet away. Wow. So but

588
00:33:44.640 --> 00:33:47.039
this was much but this was so I compared to that,

589
00:33:47.119 --> 00:33:51.920
This was further. This is further than that. This was

590
00:33:52.000 --> 00:33:53.759
much further than that. This wouldn't and this wouldn't have

591
00:33:53.839 --> 00:33:58.599
been forty now moves I'd say about eighty two hundred feet. Yeah,

592
00:33:58.720 --> 00:34:01.319
just as it came, it moved. It moved. And that's

593
00:34:01.359 --> 00:34:05.920
another thing, the way that it moved the stride and

594
00:34:07.119 --> 00:34:10.480
what was really odd when it was moving it it

595
00:34:10.519 --> 00:34:16.559
didn't like walk upright completely erect with its legs completely straight.

596
00:34:16.559 --> 00:34:19.239
There was like a slight bend in the legs, if

597
00:34:19.280 --> 00:34:21.400
you know what I mean. So in other words, like

598
00:34:21.760 --> 00:34:24.920
as though when it was walking, its knees were not locking,

599
00:34:25.000 --> 00:34:27.960
were not locked, so like it's the upper thighs were

600
00:34:28.000 --> 00:34:32.920
at a slight angle to the shins, which I find

601
00:34:32.960 --> 00:34:36.039
really odd because any human doing that would be very peculiar.

602
00:34:36.920 --> 00:34:40.440
What kind of posture did it have for the upper

603
00:34:40.480 --> 00:34:43.480
part of its body if you noticed.

604
00:34:44.760 --> 00:34:47.960
Well, let's put it this way. The back and now

605
00:34:48.280 --> 00:34:50.559
I'm going by memory many many years. The back was

606
00:34:50.599 --> 00:34:53.960
a slightly brave, broad shoulder. But if you look at

607
00:34:53.960 --> 00:34:58.280
the back slightly curved like when I say curved, like,

608
00:34:58.559 --> 00:35:01.519
it looked more sort of con vex, so like a

609
00:35:01.639 --> 00:35:07.760
very heavy, very very heavy I wouldn't say. And it wasn't. Yeah,

610
00:35:07.840 --> 00:35:11.000
the upper posture wasn't like erect like you see a

611
00:35:11.039 --> 00:35:15.599
man standing erect. It wasn't erect. It was slightly I

612
00:35:15.639 --> 00:35:20.000
wouldn't say, hunched, but slightly forward, but not like you

613
00:35:20.039 --> 00:35:22.599
know where we stand erect with our shoulders pulled all

614
00:35:22.599 --> 00:35:24.599
the way back. No, not like that, not one bit.

615
00:35:27.559 --> 00:35:29.800
Did you notice did it have a neck at all

616
00:35:30.280 --> 00:35:30.639
to it?

617
00:35:30.920 --> 00:35:35.079
Or no, No, absolutely no visible neck. No, that's what's

618
00:35:35.079 --> 00:35:35.559
really funny.

619
00:35:35.599 --> 00:35:39.320
It was so solid on the on the on the

620
00:35:39.320 --> 00:35:44.280
head and the on the shoulders that I definitely didn't

621
00:35:44.280 --> 00:35:46.920
see that any sign of if it was a.

622
00:35:46.440 --> 00:35:48.719
Very short neck, but a very muscular neck, but not

623
00:35:48.760 --> 00:35:49.519
like a human neck.

624
00:35:49.920 --> 00:35:52.079
Any visual ears that you remember.

625
00:35:53.639 --> 00:35:57.079
No, they might. I'm sure there must have been, I condo,

626
00:35:57.199 --> 00:36:00.199
but definitely not not like ours stick out or like

627
00:36:00.440 --> 00:36:01.559
some of our humans. No.

628
00:36:03.840 --> 00:36:07.480
So, thinking of the arms and then thinking of the hands, Yeah,

629
00:36:07.519 --> 00:36:10.960
how far down did the let's say, like the fingers

630
00:36:11.559 --> 00:36:16.199
go on on the to the rest of the body.

631
00:36:16.320 --> 00:36:18.760
You see, it's again like that one I saw on

632
00:36:18.840 --> 00:36:21.360
Tinka Tunka. That's why it also struck me when I

633
00:36:21.360 --> 00:36:25.599
saw Thinka Tunka's video that stone through arms were extremely long,

634
00:36:26.360 --> 00:36:28.760
much longer than any human I've seen. I mean, if

635
00:36:28.840 --> 00:36:32.400
you're talking along, i'd say I might come be certain,

636
00:36:32.480 --> 00:36:35.480
but i'd say beyond the knee. But I'd say I'd

637
00:36:35.480 --> 00:36:40.280
say the arms were how do I put it longer,

638
00:36:40.559 --> 00:36:42.599
seemed to be even longer than the legs. What I

639
00:36:42.639 --> 00:36:46.000
found was that, funnily enough, seeing its lower legs didn't

640
00:36:46.000 --> 00:36:50.199
seem to be as huge as the upper part of

641
00:36:50.239 --> 00:36:53.679
the body, the torsa or the arms, so the arms

642
00:36:53.679 --> 00:36:56.039
were very very long, but very thick. I mean, I

643
00:36:56.079 --> 00:36:58.159
don't know how to describe it, like like when I

644
00:36:58.159 --> 00:37:00.840
looked at you know, I've seen bodybuilding and weight trainers,

645
00:37:00.840 --> 00:37:04.079
but did nothing compared to this from what I could,

646
00:37:04.079 --> 00:37:05.400
you know, from what we could see. That's why I

647
00:37:05.440 --> 00:37:08.039
was amazed, because I thought when I first saw, I thought,

648
00:37:08.079 --> 00:37:10.800
this is a massive bear, but then we realized it

649
00:37:10.880 --> 00:37:11.400
wasn't a bear.

650
00:37:14.000 --> 00:37:17.280
Was the entire creature covered with hair or fur or

651
00:37:17.320 --> 00:37:19.519
did you notice there are parts that were not covered?

652
00:37:21.039 --> 00:37:25.840
See? It was really funny because again the conditions, the distance,

653
00:37:26.840 --> 00:37:31.840
whatever light there was, it seemed blackish. But when I

654
00:37:31.880 --> 00:37:35.679
say blackish, maybe very dark brown in certain with certain

655
00:37:35.719 --> 00:37:38.840
tints like in certain wather light might debiniating or whatever

656
00:37:38.880 --> 00:37:42.079
there was. So if it's like like a matte, completely

657
00:37:42.239 --> 00:37:46.599
matte uniform black like you see shiny black, not necessarily.

658
00:37:46.639 --> 00:37:49.480
I mean there might have been little tints of slightly

659
00:37:49.599 --> 00:37:52.440
very dark brown, but that was overall color. It was

660
00:37:52.519 --> 00:37:55.440
very dark brown to blackish. But I couldn't see like

661
00:37:55.519 --> 00:37:58.559
in between parts of skin, not that I remember, Like

662
00:37:58.639 --> 00:38:00.960
you know, like weather hairs fluffed up in the skin

663
00:38:01.039 --> 00:38:02.320
is visible through no.

664
00:38:05.320 --> 00:38:10.039
So over the years, you've had probably so many times

665
00:38:10.079 --> 00:38:16.920
of looking observing wildlife in its natural habitat. Did watching

666
00:38:17.000 --> 00:38:20.159
this creature remind you of any other creatures that you

667
00:38:20.199 --> 00:38:24.000
had seen, or maybe you're like, wow, this is way

668
00:38:24.079 --> 00:38:26.920
different than other things that I've seen before.

669
00:38:29.159 --> 00:38:33.920
I think this was This was the strangest experience I've had.

670
00:38:34.079 --> 00:38:36.960
I've never come across a cryptid, you know. But some

671
00:38:36.960 --> 00:38:39.320
people say, well, this is a cryptid, right, an unknown

672
00:38:39.840 --> 00:38:42.239
I'm verified species, So this is the first time I've

673
00:38:42.280 --> 00:38:47.440
ever come across a cryptid. But yeah, I mean the

674
00:38:47.480 --> 00:38:52.280
sense that you know that we have a long lost relative,

675
00:38:52.320 --> 00:38:54.960
if you like, or lost link in the chain of

676
00:38:55.679 --> 00:38:59.360
human sort of ape evolution. But then again, you know,

677
00:38:59.400 --> 00:39:02.920
when I spoke to a lot of these anatomists and

678
00:39:02.960 --> 00:39:05.800
biologists that I know in some of the organizations I

679
00:39:05.880 --> 00:39:08.360
worked for, what they said to me is, well, hang on,

680
00:39:08.559 --> 00:39:11.679
when you think of it, there were so many Homo species,

681
00:39:12.000 --> 00:39:15.280
so many Homo acts, Homo habilists, I mean in names.

682
00:39:15.320 --> 00:39:18.679
I can't even recall their vast number, And how is

683
00:39:18.719 --> 00:39:21.639
it that they all became extinct except for Homo sapiens

684
00:39:22.000 --> 00:39:24.639
and why should they have become extinct because there were

685
00:39:24.679 --> 00:39:29.480
many areas of the world that Homo sapiens didn't infiltrate necessarily.

686
00:39:29.480 --> 00:39:32.760
I mean, we know about Neanderthal and Denis Ovian's okay, fine,

687
00:39:33.039 --> 00:39:35.079
but the earth is still huge. It was huge then

688
00:39:35.159 --> 00:39:37.480
it's still huge. And it comes back, Jeremiah to what

689
00:39:37.519 --> 00:39:42.760
I was saying earlier. Russia thirteen million square kilometers Siberia

690
00:39:42.880 --> 00:39:45.800
on which there are millions of the area of forest

691
00:39:46.239 --> 00:39:49.880
in Siberia that is untouched, that is unexplored is the

692
00:39:49.920 --> 00:39:53.039
size of India at least at least three million square kilometers.

693
00:39:53.360 --> 00:39:56.199
And you're telling me in that there's the possibility of

694
00:39:56.199 --> 00:40:01.559
there not existing. Something like this arises, I mean, not nonsense.

695
00:40:01.599 --> 00:40:05.360
If you take China, China's nine million square kilometers in size,

696
00:40:05.400 --> 00:40:08.320
it's the same size as Canada or USA. It's got

697
00:40:09.280 --> 00:40:14.800
a million square kilometers of forest protected forest, which is

698
00:40:14.800 --> 00:40:16.679
five times the size of the UK. So when you

699
00:40:16.719 --> 00:40:18.800
look at the figures and you look at the statistics

700
00:40:18.920 --> 00:40:21.400
or how much forest there is in the world, how

701
00:40:21.480 --> 00:40:26.280
much is still unexplored or inaccessible, and how possible it

702
00:40:26.320 --> 00:40:29.639
is to support species like even Bigfoot, even a seven

703
00:40:29.719 --> 00:40:32.599
eight feet three hundred five hundred eight hundred pounds is

704
00:40:32.719 --> 00:40:35.440
very viable. And why is it, Why is it that

705
00:40:35.480 --> 00:40:38.679
this is where the sightings are occurring. Take the Yowi

706
00:40:38.719 --> 00:40:45.079
in Australia. In northern Australia again, vast forests, Queensland, oh

707
00:40:45.159 --> 00:40:47.800
In a lot of areas haven't been explored, northern territories

708
00:40:48.559 --> 00:40:50.639
that the pope. There's hardly any population there. I think,

709
00:40:50.679 --> 00:40:53.320
what the total area of Australia, which is seven million

710
00:40:53.360 --> 00:40:57.559
square kilometers, which are twice the size of India. Total

711
00:40:57.599 --> 00:41:00.719
populations what thirty million? And it's all concentrated around the

712
00:41:00.719 --> 00:41:06.079
coastal areas. So taking that into account, when people say,

713
00:41:06.119 --> 00:41:11.519
well there's a yali, it's entirely viable, entirely viable. And

714
00:41:11.760 --> 00:41:15.679
rather than have a world have an open mind, because

715
00:41:15.719 --> 00:41:18.920
I think what it is is everyone's more focused on

716
00:41:19.000 --> 00:41:24.199
spending money on let's protecting Let's protect elephants, let's protect tigers.

717
00:41:24.280 --> 00:41:27.199
Let's protect these animals because we know they exist and

718
00:41:27.320 --> 00:41:31.840
we can. We've got resources definitely allocated to protecting these species.

719
00:41:32.440 --> 00:41:35.639
So let's make that a priority. But I think there

720
00:41:35.639 --> 00:41:40.079
needs to be some organization that creates a fund for

721
00:41:40.199 --> 00:41:44.199
the protection and preservation of this animal too, because before

722
00:41:44.199 --> 00:41:46.400
it disappears, and it can disappear through a whole. And

723
00:41:46.440 --> 00:41:48.559
how is it now that with these forest fires that

724
00:41:48.599 --> 00:41:52.159
we're having in North America, with more sort of lumber

725
00:41:52.360 --> 00:41:55.960
mining going on and expansion of cities and things, that

726
00:41:56.000 --> 00:41:59.679
people are having more sightings. That's not a coincidence. It's

727
00:41:59.679 --> 00:42:02.480
a very fact that as we're going more and more

728
00:42:02.519 --> 00:42:06.199
into their territory, they can't stay elusive in every single

729
00:42:06.280 --> 00:42:10.880
spot all the time. So, yeah, definitely, I'm convinced it exists.

730
00:42:11.159 --> 00:42:15.000
I wasn't convinced maybe twenty twenty five years ago. Whatever,

731
00:42:16.719 --> 00:42:20.159
I'm one hundred percent convinced now, and I'll take my

732
00:42:20.559 --> 00:42:23.719
whole reputation on it and working with as I still

733
00:42:23.760 --> 00:42:26.519
do in wildlife circles here and elsewhere. And you know,

734
00:42:26.559 --> 00:42:28.119
I know some of the top people and wild I

735
00:42:28.320 --> 00:42:31.960
known me, like w Banks, David Atinburgh, John Burden has

736
00:42:31.960 --> 00:42:37.119
now passed away CEO of London's Logical Society, very prestigious position,

737
00:42:37.199 --> 00:42:40.159
right and doctor David Shivers from Cambridge University in England,

738
00:42:40.599 --> 00:42:44.400
one of the top promatologists in the world. Why would

739
00:42:44.440 --> 00:42:50.360
they also share the same views as I do? So yeah,

740
00:42:50.599 --> 00:42:53.280
and that's my take on the whole thing, Jeremiah, And

741
00:42:53.320 --> 00:42:55.719
it does trouble me. It troubles me because I think that,

742
00:42:56.800 --> 00:42:59.119
you know, when you've had an experience, you know, not

743
00:42:59.320 --> 00:43:02.639
think that this thing exists. And as a lawyer doing

744
00:43:02.639 --> 00:43:06.559
all the you know, putting all the evidence together, and

745
00:43:06.559 --> 00:43:09.559
it frustrates me that not more people are taking it seriously.

746
00:43:10.960 --> 00:43:14.679
I agree with you that there and so the thing

747
00:43:14.840 --> 00:43:17.000
people in the community, I think we look at it

748
00:43:17.039 --> 00:43:22.360
as okay. Once it's discovered, that's when the conservation happens.

749
00:43:22.480 --> 00:43:23.920
Do you agree with that or do you think it

750
00:43:23.960 --> 00:43:26.519
needs to start before it's it's discovered.

751
00:43:28.559 --> 00:43:31.679
I think it needs to start before it's discovered. And

752
00:43:31.960 --> 00:43:35.719
I'll give you one example. If you take the Java

753
00:43:35.719 --> 00:43:38.400
and tiger. It was declared extinct about thirty years ago,

754
00:43:39.400 --> 00:43:42.360
but there have been sightings of this animal in the

755
00:43:42.519 --> 00:43:45.440
recent especially in the last five ten years. Again because

756
00:43:45.440 --> 00:43:49.000
you know, Java, this island and in Indonesia is one

757
00:43:49.039 --> 00:43:51.679
of the most densely populated for its size, and there's

758
00:43:51.719 --> 00:43:54.440
been more and more mining, more and more deforestation, and

759
00:43:54.480 --> 00:43:57.960
so I think that's also resulted in more sightings of

760
00:43:58.000 --> 00:43:59.679
an animal which was thought to be extinct that was

761
00:43:59.719 --> 00:44:02.599
highly out. It's a long place, so again there's no

762
00:44:02.639 --> 00:44:06.159
photographic evidence. It's just on the basis of what's really reliable,

763
00:44:06.280 --> 00:44:09.960
credible testimonial evidence. But at the moment they're doing everything

764
00:44:10.000 --> 00:44:12.320
to create a fund to protect it because they believe

765
00:44:12.320 --> 00:44:15.039
it does exist, and before it disappears, it has to

766
00:44:15.079 --> 00:44:17.800
be protected. And that's the point. Before something disappears, you

767
00:44:17.880 --> 00:44:20.320
have to do something. You can't wait un till it's

768
00:44:20.320 --> 00:44:22.800
on the point of disappearing to then think, well, okay,

769
00:44:22.840 --> 00:44:25.599
we'll do something because now we believe it might exist.

770
00:44:27.920 --> 00:44:31.320
I feel like in the US a scientific community does

771
00:44:31.400 --> 00:44:35.079
not take the topic of sasquatch seriously at all. At

772
00:44:35.159 --> 00:44:38.559
least that's I feel what the community, the big foot

773
00:44:38.599 --> 00:44:43.880
community feels. In order for let's say the wildlife the

774
00:44:43.920 --> 00:44:50.039
world wildlife community or the conservation effort, what would it

775
00:44:50.119 --> 00:44:56.199
take for them to really take it as serious? Would

776
00:44:56.239 --> 00:45:00.880
it take a type specimen captured or or killed, or

777
00:45:01.079 --> 00:45:03.480
DNA evidence or do you have any thoughts about that?

778
00:45:05.239 --> 00:45:07.320
Yeah, that's a good point, jeremiar. And that's what they say.

779
00:45:07.440 --> 00:45:09.159
I mean, I've heard them say, oh, we need a body,

780
00:45:09.199 --> 00:45:11.119
we need a corpse, we need a cock before we

781
00:45:11.159 --> 00:45:14.960
can say that it exists because they seem they seem

782
00:45:15.000 --> 00:45:17.440
not to have accepted the DNA, which I find incredible

783
00:45:17.480 --> 00:45:19.800
because there's been a lot of DNA that has been submitted.

784
00:45:19.840 --> 00:45:25.159
A lot of top institutions have admitted have admitted that's certain,

785
00:45:25.280 --> 00:45:29.199
not all love. Certain hair samples don't match any identified

786
00:45:29.199 --> 00:45:31.960
species on Earth. So what does that say? That's evidence

787
00:45:31.960 --> 00:45:35.039
in itself. We don't need a body, because what would

788
00:45:35.039 --> 00:45:36.679
the body do the body? We just have a picture

789
00:45:36.679 --> 00:45:38.280
of his creature. But then you still have to look

790
00:45:38.320 --> 00:45:40.519
at the you know, the It could be a fake body,

791
00:45:40.519 --> 00:45:42.960
couldn't it could it could be something that someone has

792
00:45:43.079 --> 00:45:48.039
contrived and put together some creature from whatever so or

793
00:45:48.039 --> 00:45:51.119
some special effects. I don't know what doll. So they

794
00:45:51.159 --> 00:45:53.440
still have to look at the organs and do the analysis.

795
00:45:53.840 --> 00:45:57.320
It's like these Mexican mummies they've found of these aliens.

796
00:45:58.079 --> 00:46:00.400
They didn't just look at the creature. They and then

797
00:46:00.559 --> 00:46:01.440
examine the DNA.

798
00:46:02.199 --> 00:46:05.519
Big for society, who will be right back after these messages.

799
00:46:21.079 --> 00:46:24.599
But when our DNA is showing us. And the other

800
00:46:24.599 --> 00:46:28.760
guy that I find is very convincing is Jeff Meldrum.

801
00:46:29.239 --> 00:46:31.840
I think it's Jeff, who's from Idaho, university, and you

802
00:46:31.880 --> 00:46:34.559
know when he's looked at the casts of the feet

803
00:46:35.079 --> 00:46:37.199
and looked at the dermal ridges on the soles of

804
00:46:37.239 --> 00:46:39.480
the feet and say, well, hang on, how can these

805
00:46:39.599 --> 00:46:43.400
dormal ridges? So if it's a fake cast, they'll have

806
00:46:43.440 --> 00:46:45.079
to make sure it has a sort of a plastic

807
00:46:45.519 --> 00:46:48.159
thing on the foot. So when this thing is moved

808
00:46:48.159 --> 00:46:51.880
across the ground, it changes so that it looks like

809
00:46:51.920 --> 00:46:54.119
the you know, like the domal ridges or on the

810
00:46:54.159 --> 00:46:59.039
feet that are very plastic and pliable. But then the

811
00:46:59.079 --> 00:47:01.480
other thing about that avidence is who goes into a

812
00:47:01.519 --> 00:47:05.840
forest places a cast a foot, a fake foot on

813
00:47:05.880 --> 00:47:09.480
the ground that makes an impression of maybe a couple

814
00:47:09.559 --> 00:47:11.480
of centimeters and on an age on the ground that

815
00:47:11.519 --> 00:47:13.320
you and I stamping on wouldn't be able to make

816
00:47:13.360 --> 00:47:17.519
an impression on it, and then continues for like a

817
00:47:17.559 --> 00:47:22.639
kilometer through creeks, through river beds, uphill downhill without leaving

818
00:47:22.679 --> 00:47:26.039
any other traces. Right, So you'd have to have somebody

819
00:47:26.079 --> 00:47:28.599
with a machine. He's sitting on top of the machine

820
00:47:28.639 --> 00:47:33.480
and he's jumping on this machine to break these just

821
00:47:33.519 --> 00:47:37.800
not feasible. It's just not feasible, right, And just for

822
00:47:37.880 --> 00:47:39.760
them to tell around and say no, it could be

823
00:47:39.800 --> 00:47:42.639
a it's a fake footprint. I agree a lot is fake.

824
00:47:42.679 --> 00:47:44.199
I'm not saying there isn't. I believe a lot of

825
00:47:44.239 --> 00:47:46.440
the videos are fake. I think ninety nine percent of fake,

826
00:47:46.559 --> 00:47:50.079
but you can't dismiss the one percent. So DNA evidence

827
00:47:50.320 --> 00:47:54.239
a lot of these footprints during the Dermo ridges is

828
00:47:54.360 --> 00:47:56.880
highly convincing evidence. And I think think a tunker. I

829
00:47:56.920 --> 00:48:01.239
think think a tunker is a guy who nope. I mean,

830
00:48:01.280 --> 00:48:03.039
I've watched a lot of videos, but he's the one

831
00:48:03.079 --> 00:48:06.280
person where the analysis he's done on a number of

832
00:48:06.360 --> 00:48:08.800
videos has also backed up a lot of the evidence

833
00:48:08.840 --> 00:48:12.159
that we have. And by the way, evidence is that

834
00:48:12.320 --> 00:48:17.519
to prove beyond a reasonable doubt, it's threefold literary, it's testimonial,

835
00:48:17.599 --> 00:48:20.480
and it's physical. And we've got the physical. We've got

836
00:48:20.519 --> 00:48:23.000
the physical by way of the DNA, which no one

837
00:48:23.000 --> 00:48:25.000
wants to really talk about, but there is that DNA

838
00:48:25.039 --> 00:48:29.159
saying it's an unidentified creature. We've got the dermal that

839
00:48:29.239 --> 00:48:31.599
the feet prints, we've got a lot of the video

840
00:48:31.639 --> 00:48:34.119
stuff that we've seen with the analyses, and then we've

841
00:48:34.119 --> 00:48:36.800
got the eyewitness accounts. And by the way, when I

842
00:48:36.800 --> 00:48:39.000
talk of eyewitiness, accounts. As you know, Jeremiah, I'm talking

843
00:48:39.039 --> 00:48:41.679
about going back hundreds of thousands of years, going back

844
00:48:41.719 --> 00:48:45.119
to the original inhabitants who are saying this is not

845
00:48:45.159 --> 00:48:48.360
a mythical creature, this creature exists, and that from the

846
00:48:48.360 --> 00:48:52.159
first explorers who came to America similarly saying that they've

847
00:48:52.199 --> 00:48:55.400
seen it or they knew about it. The scientific community

848
00:48:55.519 --> 00:48:58.760
is just very blinked and it needs to stop being

849
00:48:59.079 --> 00:49:02.000
blinked because we know science is also not a constantly changes.

850
00:49:02.800 --> 00:49:04.639
That's a great thing about science is to be able

851
00:49:04.719 --> 00:49:08.960
to integrate new belief systems and to allow people to

852
00:49:08.960 --> 00:49:11.239
collect the evidence to prove those belief systems.

853
00:49:11.360 --> 00:49:15.480
Being a wildlife conservationist, are there certain things that Americans

854
00:49:15.480 --> 00:49:19.360
should be doing to kind of set the foundation for

855
00:49:19.440 --> 00:49:24.000
the time when there is in something let's say there's

856
00:49:24.039 --> 00:49:28.519
a specimen taken in southeast Oklahoma. When that happens and

857
00:49:28.599 --> 00:49:32.519
it becomes mainstream, we have to be extremely on it

858
00:49:32.800 --> 00:49:35.719
very quick or it's just all going to fall apart,

859
00:49:35.760 --> 00:49:38.119
like we need to have our foundation in place.

860
00:49:38.199 --> 00:49:44.920
I feel, yeah, I think you're right, because we don't

861
00:49:44.960 --> 00:49:48.960
know what will happen in those circumstances. I do remember,

862
00:49:49.280 --> 00:49:52.400
and it comes back to coming back to what you're saying.

863
00:49:52.400 --> 00:49:56.119
There was a case I've seen the video where a

864
00:49:56.280 --> 00:49:59.079
ranger in one of the parks in America. I can't

865
00:49:59.079 --> 00:50:01.440
remember which one it will maybe Yellowstone or something, but

866
00:50:01.480 --> 00:50:05.840
I'm not sure, and he was interviewed and he said that, no,

867
00:50:05.960 --> 00:50:08.360
we've seen this creature, we know it exists, but we

868
00:50:08.360 --> 00:50:11.360
were told by a boss that if you tell anybody

869
00:50:11.920 --> 00:50:15.119
and you produce the evidence, you lose your jobs. That's

870
00:50:15.119 --> 00:50:18.920
the problem, right that You're involving so many other than organizations.

871
00:50:19.000 --> 00:50:22.840
It's involves the police, it involves forensic scientists, it involves

872
00:50:22.840 --> 00:50:25.519
the government and a stay who make the decision right,

873
00:50:25.679 --> 00:50:27.480
what should we do? Should we dispose of the body?

874
00:50:27.519 --> 00:50:29.880
Should we put it into storage? Should we to further

875
00:50:29.920 --> 00:50:34.400
investigation is made, So you need to have something under

876
00:50:34.400 --> 00:50:37.239
the law. And I know that the laws are such

877
00:50:37.360 --> 00:50:43.000
now that freedom of information public information should allow anyone

878
00:50:43.000 --> 00:50:45.639
in America to say no, if this is something that's

879
00:50:45.679 --> 00:50:48.000
been found, like a bigfoot, it's in the interest of

880
00:50:48.039 --> 00:50:51.480
the public of the United States and who are taxpayers

881
00:50:51.519 --> 00:50:54.239
who are members of under the Constitution, to know what

882
00:50:54.360 --> 00:50:57.039
this is and to be able to see it, and

883
00:50:57.079 --> 00:50:59.360
for representatives of the public, whoever they may be. The

884
00:50:59.360 --> 00:51:02.280
big Foot socie to come and make their own determinations

885
00:51:03.199 --> 00:51:05.039
and get an injunction and say, well, if you try

886
00:51:05.079 --> 00:51:07.280
to dispose of this or you try to destroy the evidence,

887
00:51:07.400 --> 00:51:12.360
it's a potentially it's a it's a criminal act. I

888
00:51:12.360 --> 00:51:14.440
don't know much about. But see, the great thing about

889
00:51:14.440 --> 00:51:18.679
America has a great constitution and it allows for this right.

890
00:51:18.719 --> 00:51:24.000
And the very first laws that allowed a disclosure of

891
00:51:24.239 --> 00:51:28.000
evidence for benefit of the public. All this came from America, right,

892
00:51:28.880 --> 00:51:30.880
And it's better that it's found in America than I

893
00:51:30.880 --> 00:51:33.880
think anywhere else. So because we have the safeguards in

894
00:51:33.880 --> 00:51:36.159
America that you don't have in most other countries in

895
00:51:36.199 --> 00:51:38.280
the world. To be brutally honest with you, I think

896
00:51:38.320 --> 00:51:41.920
the problem. The problem, Jeremiah, we have too many fragmented

897
00:51:42.039 --> 00:51:44.920
organizations in the world. I'm not just talking in America.

898
00:51:45.079 --> 00:51:49.039
If you look at our Bigfoot organizations, it's very heterogeneous.

899
00:51:49.079 --> 00:51:53.239
There's so many different societies. It needs something. You need

900
00:51:53.239 --> 00:51:55.400
something to come together. You need many societies to come

901
00:51:55.440 --> 00:51:57.719
together to form a corpus and say well, look, we

902
00:51:57.920 --> 00:52:02.039
all let's share our evidences, let's share our experiences, and

903
00:52:02.119 --> 00:52:06.880
let's form from that a corpus of data that's common

904
00:52:06.880 --> 00:52:09.679
at all, and then then we know this is one, two, three,

905
00:52:09.719 --> 00:52:12.559
four five. And I think what we've also got to

906
00:52:12.559 --> 00:52:15.480
show the public is if they say, well, how come

907
00:52:15.559 --> 00:52:17.360
it doesn't you know, we don't see it. It's such

908
00:52:17.360 --> 00:52:18.880
a big creature. We've got to be able to show

909
00:52:18.920 --> 00:52:21.679
them why. And I can tell you why. I've been

910
00:52:21.960 --> 00:52:24.679
in jungles all over the world. I've been trekking for

911
00:52:24.760 --> 00:52:27.239
ours and ours to see certain animals, and I haven't

912
00:52:27.280 --> 00:52:31.519
seen animals that should be visible. Because when you go

913
00:52:31.559 --> 00:52:33.320
into the tea, how many people have been trekking? I

914
00:52:33.360 --> 00:52:35.440
mean when you've been tracking. I've been trekking in the Rockies,

915
00:52:35.440 --> 00:52:38.519
have been trekking in mountains and the andes in the Himalias.

916
00:52:38.519 --> 00:52:41.679
When you're trekking in these places, you go into certain

917
00:52:42.280 --> 00:52:44.760
certain places you can't track. You just can't. I mean

918
00:52:44.760 --> 00:52:47.280
you just haven't got the equipment to do it. I

919
00:52:47.280 --> 00:52:50.679
mean you're talking of I'll give you an example. In India,

920
00:52:50.760 --> 00:52:53.840
we have grass called elefant grass. It grows to about

921
00:52:53.840 --> 00:53:00.039
twenty thirty feet. It's very thick, it's very compacted, and

922
00:53:00.199 --> 00:53:04.480
can't even move through parts of that. Elephant grass that

923
00:53:04.800 --> 00:53:07.639
even for an elephant, it doesn't have the strength sometimes

924
00:53:07.679 --> 00:53:15.119
to move through those those grassy areas, and it's so

925
00:53:15.360 --> 00:53:18.280
thick that you can't see any animals. So yeah, tigers

926
00:53:18.320 --> 00:53:20.960
live sometimes in there, leopards live there. Pythons that are

927
00:53:21.000 --> 00:53:24.039
fifteen to twenty feet live in these same grassy patches

928
00:53:24.079 --> 00:53:30.480
which nobody sees. So we've got to dismiss this argument.

929
00:53:30.760 --> 00:53:32.880
Oh but you know, hang on, wait a minute, guys,

930
00:53:33.079 --> 00:53:35.000
how come you know we've been in thunders of years

931
00:53:35.199 --> 00:53:37.400
and this animal's eight feet tour We haven't seen it.

932
00:53:37.519 --> 00:53:41.400
As have you been inside these areas which got tens

933
00:53:41.480 --> 00:53:46.840
of thousands of square kilometers dense forests, deep gorges? Can

934
00:53:46.880 --> 00:53:49.199
you trek through that? Can any human trektor that? How

935
00:53:49.199 --> 00:53:51.800
many people have been there? And you think an animal

936
00:53:51.840 --> 00:53:55.239
like that can't survive? It's got an abundance of species.

937
00:53:55.480 --> 00:53:57.280
And Jeremy, you know better than I do. Right, if

938
00:53:57.320 --> 00:53:59.840
you go to the Rockies, you go to America, Yes,

939
00:54:00.159 --> 00:54:03.599
such an abundance of food source in these forests. You

940
00:54:03.639 --> 00:54:08.480
know you've got in summer dandelions, flowers, berries, there's a

941
00:54:08.599 --> 00:54:11.360
vast amount of food for these animals to survive on.

942
00:54:11.480 --> 00:54:14.800
I mean bears can survive. Brown bears, grizzlies that weigh

943
00:54:14.840 --> 00:54:17.320
up two thousand pounds eight feet talk can survive just

944
00:54:17.360 --> 00:54:22.400
by the plant matter that's in these forests. So I

945
00:54:22.440 --> 00:54:24.920
think we need to be able to tell people try

946
00:54:24.960 --> 00:54:29.360
to get rid of these preconceived notions in your mind

947
00:54:29.559 --> 00:54:32.239
and have an open mind that how can there only

948
00:54:32.320 --> 00:54:38.440
be one species of homo in this world and apes?

949
00:54:38.480 --> 00:54:42.719
What about in between? We know there were australopithoscenes millions

950
00:54:42.760 --> 00:54:46.239
of years ago. There was not just humans. There were

951
00:54:46.559 --> 00:54:50.519
australopitho scenes and then there were apes, and ostralopithoscenes were

952
00:54:51.320 --> 00:54:53.719
between the two. So in other words, they could walk

953
00:54:54.159 --> 00:54:59.039
unlike apes, but like humans, they could walk for continuously

954
00:54:59.480 --> 00:55:02.119
for long dist and so it's or even permanently. But

955
00:55:04.119 --> 00:55:08.880
like apes, they couldn't lock their ease, so when they walked,

956
00:55:08.960 --> 00:55:11.679
and they had more the dimensions of apes like for example,

957
00:55:12.119 --> 00:55:17.360
shorter legs, longer tosser than a human, longer arms exactly

958
00:55:17.360 --> 00:55:21.920
what I saw. What I saw was more like an ostralopithesy.

959
00:55:22.039 --> 00:55:27.239
It was like that species intermediate between apes and humans,

960
00:55:27.360 --> 00:55:35.320
that intermediate evolutionary gap, which we haven't studied enough. So yeah,

961
00:55:35.360 --> 00:55:36.679
I think that's what we need to do.

962
00:55:38.039 --> 00:55:41.599
The sighting of the creature and kind a nascus. When

963
00:55:41.639 --> 00:55:44.119
you saw that and you were able to see it move,

964
00:55:45.079 --> 00:55:48.119
did that affect you in any way emotionally? How are you?

965
00:55:48.239 --> 00:55:53.440
How did I felt?

966
00:55:53.519 --> 00:55:56.360
First of all, I felt just so utterly frustrated that

967
00:55:56.360 --> 00:55:59.639
I couldn't record it visually because I wasn't you know,

968
00:56:00.079 --> 00:56:04.159
this wasn't a trip for photography, frankly, because you know

969
00:56:04.280 --> 00:56:09.000
Kanonaskus at that time, I mean, at that time seeing

970
00:56:09.039 --> 00:56:11.159
any animals, wild animals, and I've seen enough of the

971
00:56:11.159 --> 00:56:15.199
wild animals you know, mountain goats and which you call

972
00:56:15.239 --> 00:56:18.599
it a bighorn sheep, And basically the prospects of seeing

973
00:56:18.599 --> 00:56:22.400
bears wasn't that great in Kananaskus, although I have seen

974
00:56:22.400 --> 00:56:26.239
them since. So my frustration was I didn't have the

975
00:56:26.280 --> 00:56:29.840
equipment with me to take which I normally take to

976
00:56:30.199 --> 00:56:32.480
do photography, to be able to capture this. But then

977
00:56:32.519 --> 00:56:34.880
I realized that it wouldn't have been a very good

978
00:56:34.920 --> 00:56:36.920
picture because I wouldn't have had a good enough view,

979
00:56:37.039 --> 00:56:39.960
a longer time enough view to focus and take a picture.

980
00:56:40.239 --> 00:56:42.239
So there was a frustration. Maybe it was my ego,

981
00:56:42.639 --> 00:56:46.159
oh my god, but it was also. Yes, it was

982
00:56:46.199 --> 00:56:49.119
a frustration at knowing that this thing exists and I've

983
00:56:49.119 --> 00:56:52.519
seen it, and I'm not discussing it with a lot

984
00:56:52.559 --> 00:56:55.039
of people apart from some of my friends that I

985
00:56:55.119 --> 00:57:00.440
was with that I discussed it with, and one of

986
00:57:00.440 --> 00:57:02.760
them also who was from the States, who actually came

987
00:57:02.800 --> 00:57:06.719
to visit and himself couldn't believe what he said. And

988
00:57:06.800 --> 00:57:12.639
I actually wanted to become a doctor. So he's the

989
00:57:12.719 --> 00:57:15.119
last person and he told me, I don't really want

990
00:57:15.119 --> 00:57:18.079
to talk about this because people will think I'm a

991
00:57:18.119 --> 00:57:21.039
bit crazy, and in my line of profession, I don't

992
00:57:21.039 --> 00:57:23.360
really want to be looked on. So I said, okay, fine,

993
00:57:23.599 --> 00:57:25.760
but you know, you know what you saw. I know

994
00:57:25.840 --> 00:57:28.079
what I saw and what the other saw. That's all

995
00:57:28.079 --> 00:57:30.400
that's important. And now you know that, you know, we

996
00:57:30.519 --> 00:57:32.840
have to create awareness of the fact this didn't exists.

997
00:57:33.079 --> 00:57:35.800
But yeah, I was very frustrated. I felt very I

998
00:57:35.960 --> 00:57:39.719
isially much here because I thought this is amazing I've

999
00:57:39.760 --> 00:57:43.480
been but you know, I still was of the view

1000
00:57:43.519 --> 00:57:46.039
that I didn't really know what I'd seen until it

1001
00:57:46.159 --> 00:57:49.239
was very confused, and because I just didn't know what

1002
00:57:49.280 --> 00:57:51.639
it was, I knew that it wasn't a bear, and

1003
00:57:51.679 --> 00:57:54.880
I knew it wasn't a human and it was something between.

1004
00:57:54.960 --> 00:58:00.000
But what well, then, when I've compared all my other experiences,

1005
00:58:02.079 --> 00:58:04.360
and I'm now fifty five years old, so I'm not

1006
00:58:04.440 --> 00:58:07.519
like one of these guys youngsters that sort of prove

1007
00:58:07.639 --> 00:58:10.679
himself well and oh, you want to get some fame

1008
00:58:10.719 --> 00:58:13.079
and credit. No, I don't. I just want to be

1009
00:58:13.159 --> 00:58:15.239
able to tell people that this thing, in my opinion,

1010
00:58:15.239 --> 00:58:20.039
does exist, and that there will be more sightings. There

1011
00:58:20.039 --> 00:58:22.920
definitely will be more sightings, and it's happening. It's happening

1012
00:58:22.960 --> 00:58:27.840
as we speak. I just saw recently in near Banff

1013
00:58:28.719 --> 00:58:30.960
these campers who had put out a camera and they

1014
00:58:30.960 --> 00:58:34.039
were at night camera and it shows the video of

1015
00:58:34.119 --> 00:58:37.159
this massive creature standing by their tent at night, but

1016
00:58:37.360 --> 00:58:41.360
two or three in the morning over the tent, size

1017
00:58:41.400 --> 00:58:44.159
of which is huge. Not a bear, not a human,

1018
00:58:44.480 --> 00:58:46.760
because you can see the fingers, you can see the hands.

1019
00:58:46.960 --> 00:58:53.400
This is again with unidentified hominide creature. So we're having

1020
00:58:53.440 --> 00:58:58.960
these experiences and they're becoming more and more common. People

1021
00:58:58.960 --> 00:58:59.920
have seen them more and more.

1022
00:59:02.679 --> 00:59:04.920
Would you ever want to see you one again if

1023
00:59:04.920 --> 00:59:06.079
you had the chance.

1024
00:59:07.480 --> 00:59:09.840
Oh yeah, one hundred per yeah, I would like to

1025
00:59:09.840 --> 00:59:13.239
protect it as well. And I think it needs to

1026
00:59:13.280 --> 00:59:15.800
be protected. And I think you know, the States are

1027
00:59:15.840 --> 00:59:18.039
doing a good job, Jeremi. I think Washington State. I

1028
00:59:18.079 --> 00:59:21.840
believe they already have signs that you know, I'm like

1029
00:59:21.880 --> 00:59:25.119
for the big foot, like big foot crossing. See. The

1030
00:59:25.159 --> 00:59:27.880
great thing about the United States is open minded. Right.

1031
00:59:27.960 --> 00:59:30.480
That's why it's gone ahead so much technologically, so much

1032
00:59:30.559 --> 00:59:35.840
in terms of in every way, every sphere of modern advancement,

1033
00:59:35.960 --> 00:59:40.159
because it's always had an open mind to discuss, to

1034
00:59:40.320 --> 00:59:43.480
bring in new ideas and to explore. But that type

1035
00:59:43.519 --> 00:59:45.960
of open mindedness doesn't exist in a lot of other

1036
00:59:46.079 --> 00:59:49.119
parts of the world. But I will mention one other thing.

1037
00:59:50.239 --> 00:59:52.239
If you look at I'm sorry, I hope I'm not

1038
00:59:52.280 --> 00:59:56.000
going off your question. Just that just occurred to me.

1039
00:59:56.360 --> 00:59:59.880
You talk about seeing There was a very famous case

1040
01:00:00.000 --> 01:00:02.480
in Russia, which everyone I'm sure knows about who's a

1041
01:00:02.480 --> 01:00:09.679
Bigfoot enthusiastic, called the diet Love incident in Russia, and

1042
01:00:10.199 --> 01:00:13.039
diet Love occurred in nineteen fifty nine where some students

1043
01:00:13.039 --> 01:00:15.760
from Moscow they went deep into the Ural mountains on

1044
01:00:15.800 --> 01:00:21.840
an expedition geological expedition. Nothing was heard from them, and

1045
01:00:22.519 --> 01:00:25.960
they seemed to have disappeared. An expedition was sent out

1046
01:00:26.199 --> 01:00:29.639
and they were all found dead. What was very odd

1047
01:00:29.840 --> 01:00:33.039
was some of them had their eyes gouged out. Some

1048
01:00:33.079 --> 01:00:35.679
of them looked like they'd been assaulted and attacked and killed.

1049
01:00:36.440 --> 01:00:38.320
So the Russians put it down through the fact that

1050
01:00:38.360 --> 01:00:42.519
it was probably a freak accident, an avalanche or something else.

1051
01:00:42.880 --> 01:00:44.920
Of course, there was no sign of avalanche, and that

1052
01:00:45.039 --> 01:00:46.760
was dismissed. Then they said, oh, there might have been

1053
01:00:46.800 --> 01:00:50.119
some testing of some weapons nearby, the fallout of which

1054
01:00:50.199 --> 01:00:53.960
killed them. No such evidence. Then evidence was found on

1055
01:00:53.960 --> 01:00:56.519
one of the cameras of one of the victims who

1056
01:00:56.519 --> 01:00:59.039
died because none of them survived. By the way, when

1057
01:00:59.079 --> 01:01:04.199
they developed that film, the film showed a creature from

1058
01:01:04.320 --> 01:01:07.199
a tree coming from a tree line approaching the camp,

1059
01:01:07.519 --> 01:01:11.320
huge creature which to this day they have not been

1060
01:01:11.360 --> 01:01:15.880
able to prove it as being a hoax or a

1061
01:01:15.920 --> 01:01:21.119
fake whatsoever. They don't know what it is. So the

1062
01:01:21.119 --> 01:01:25.480
theory is that they were attacked by some creature creatures

1063
01:01:25.559 --> 01:01:28.480
that they're not known to science, and they were killed.

1064
01:01:29.599 --> 01:01:32.960
And the fact is that the Russians dismissed it. But

1065
01:01:33.159 --> 01:01:36.119
then a secret expedition was sent out by the Russian

1066
01:01:36.280 --> 01:01:41.880
government to look for evidence of these creatures. It was

1067
01:01:41.920 --> 01:01:44.239
all kept top secret. If you speak to any of

1068
01:01:44.280 --> 01:01:48.679
the ex Soviets today or whatever may be, people maybe

1069
01:01:48.679 --> 01:01:52.119
who left Russia even are still living there, they say no,

1070
01:01:52.880 --> 01:01:55.239
it was a big cover up. The Russians were convinced

1071
01:01:55.239 --> 01:01:57.039
that these people were killed, and they were killed by

1072
01:01:57.079 --> 01:01:59.519
something that was not known to science, by the creatures

1073
01:01:59.519 --> 01:02:04.239
that are not known to science. So Darnlov is very,

1074
01:02:04.320 --> 01:02:08.199
very bizarre because there's no other way these people could

1075
01:02:08.199 --> 01:02:10.039
have died. They couldn't have died through at Lanche, they

1076
01:02:10.079 --> 01:02:14.280
couldn't have died through military attacks or anything of the kind.

1077
01:02:14.360 --> 01:02:17.639
So what killed them? I mean no, wolves and bears

1078
01:02:17.679 --> 01:02:20.239
would have killed the whole every one of them in

1079
01:02:20.280 --> 01:02:25.880
the way that they were killed. So you know, I

1080
01:02:25.920 --> 01:02:31.119
think that there will be a lot more sightings of

1081
01:02:30.360 --> 01:02:33.440
this creature, and in fact, I'm intending to go back

1082
01:02:33.440 --> 01:02:36.840
again to North America myself to go and explore these

1083
01:02:36.880 --> 01:02:39.920
areas around Calgary like Kananaskis where a lot of sightings

1084
01:02:39.960 --> 01:02:44.679
have been banf Can Moore, and I know even in

1085
01:02:44.800 --> 01:02:49.559
Yellowstone in accident, I was in Yellowstone in June May

1086
01:02:49.639 --> 01:02:52.400
sorry end of me and I was speaking to some

1087
01:02:52.480 --> 01:02:53.880
of the rangers and I said, oh, I saw that

1088
01:02:54.000 --> 01:02:58.039
video and year all faithful that sort of in that

1089
01:02:58.119 --> 01:03:01.199
vicinity where the in the winter, they showed these three

1090
01:03:01.280 --> 01:03:05.440
huge creatures walk in the background, and I said, now

1091
01:03:05.519 --> 01:03:07.119
do you know what that is? What was it? Was it?

1092
01:03:07.159 --> 01:03:09.079
He said, we don't know. It's very puzzling, he told me,

1093
01:03:09.079 --> 01:03:10.480
he said, we don't know what it is. Said, it's

1094
01:03:10.519 --> 01:03:13.159
very odd. So it wasn't bear, is it? No? As

1095
01:03:13.199 --> 01:03:15.760
it could? It a bit too tall to be humans, anythink?

1096
01:03:16.400 --> 01:03:22.960
Even he agreed, So that's funny. So yeah, so they know,

1097
01:03:23.280 --> 01:03:26.000
they know, Jeremiah, they know, but they're not telling people, right.

1098
01:03:26.199 --> 01:03:29.639
Oh then I do, Yeah, yeah, they know.

1099
01:03:30.679 --> 01:03:33.760
When you look at the evidence right now that you're

1100
01:03:33.760 --> 01:03:36.480
talking of, thirty nine thousand square kilometers is the Greater

1101
01:03:36.599 --> 01:03:40.559
Yellowstone Area, and an eighteen nine thousand if you take

1102
01:03:40.960 --> 01:03:48.559
eighteen nine thousand, if you take the entire of Montana, Wyoming,

1103
01:03:48.760 --> 01:03:52.599
Idaho protected areas like Custa Gality and Lewis Clarks Has

1104
01:03:52.639 --> 01:03:55.920
showing a flat aired reserved forest, all those areas together

1105
01:03:56.039 --> 01:03:58.119
eighty nine thousand square kilometers. And you tell me they

1106
01:03:58.119 --> 01:04:04.920
couldn't be hundreds of these creatures easily easily with mountains

1107
01:04:04.960 --> 01:04:08.760
also that are center ten eleven twelve thousand feet, most

1108
01:04:08.800 --> 01:04:09.920
of which is inaccessible.

1109
01:04:10.000 --> 01:04:13.760
I think those are some really interesting ideas or places

1110
01:04:13.760 --> 01:04:16.320
for you to look into when you come back over.

1111
01:04:16.639 --> 01:04:22.280
And you may even want to look into Southeast Oklahoma.

1112
01:04:21.840 --> 01:04:27.119
It doesn't sound like it's it's interesting, but now start

1113
01:04:27.119 --> 01:04:31.119
to look into the Bigfoot of Southeast Oklahoma, like with

1114
01:04:31.199 --> 01:04:35.239
the Nawac and the wood apes that are seen there,

1115
01:04:35.280 --> 01:04:38.760
and it will absolutely blow your mind. Yeah, check that out.

1116
01:04:38.760 --> 01:04:40.000
It's a thank you.

1117
01:04:40.760 --> 01:04:43.559
Yeah, I'll definitely do that, Jeremiah. And I know coming

1118
01:04:43.599 --> 01:04:46.960
back to the skun Cape also of Florida. See that's

1119
01:04:46.960 --> 01:04:50.639
another very interesting thing because I've traveled through Florida extensively.

1120
01:04:50.679 --> 01:04:54.840
So I've been to sorry not they have a glade,

1121
01:04:54.880 --> 01:04:57.440
but I've been to the Ocala. I'm sorry, my mind

1122
01:04:57.480 --> 01:05:02.639
is going, yep, ag forest. I forget. I'm sorry, it'll

1123
01:05:02.679 --> 01:05:05.239
come to me. But the huge forest there is. It's

1124
01:05:05.280 --> 01:05:07.559
not just the south of Florida. Even central Florida has

1125
01:05:07.599 --> 01:05:12.079
some very very dense patches skun caps. And I was

1126
01:05:12.119 --> 01:05:14.559
talking to some I was talking to a police officer.

1127
01:05:14.719 --> 01:05:16.639
I didn't mention this to you. I spoke to a

1128
01:05:16.679 --> 01:05:20.440
police officer. He's from Dunellen. He was from Dunellen and

1129
01:05:20.480 --> 01:05:22.719
he was about to retire and we were talking. Got

1130
01:05:22.719 --> 01:05:24.280
to know him quite well. I've been on a number

1131
01:05:24.280 --> 01:05:26.679
of trips and I've been to that place. And I

1132
01:05:26.719 --> 01:05:29.320
met him and I said, Oh, this Skun Cape, it's

1133
01:05:29.320 --> 01:05:32.239
really and he looked at me. He says, no, for sure,

1134
01:05:32.239 --> 01:05:34.760
it exists. And I said, you're just having me? Or

1135
01:05:34.800 --> 01:05:36.639
are you're just saying that because you're joking. He goes, no,

1136
01:05:36.880 --> 01:05:40.079
we we we've had people who've seen something and it's

1137
01:05:40.119 --> 01:05:43.960
and it's it's definitely not. So I'm trying to think, Jeremiah,

1138
01:05:43.960 --> 01:05:46.880
there's a forest you know, Carla, I can't remember the name.

1139
01:05:48.119 --> 01:05:51.440
It's a huge forest, vast forest in central Florida. It'll

1140
01:05:51.480 --> 01:05:56.320
come to me, but all in this vicinity. And he said, no, No,

1141
01:05:56.360 --> 01:05:59.400
We've they people. We've had people campers who who've gone

1142
01:05:59.440 --> 01:06:01.719
camping and they've seen it and they got so frightened.

1143
01:06:01.760 --> 01:06:03.480
They just picked up this stuff and they left. You

1144
01:06:03.519 --> 01:06:05.480
sure it's not a bear. Some of these guys, he said,

1145
01:06:05.519 --> 01:06:06.840
he said, some of these guys that one of these

1146
01:06:06.840 --> 01:06:08.920
guys are like six foot five and three hundred pounds,

1147
01:06:09.000 --> 01:06:10.880
So he said, you know, why would he get so

1148
01:06:10.960 --> 01:06:11.960
nervous right away?

1149
01:06:13.559 --> 01:06:17.159
Absolutely, you may be thinking, O, Kala National Forest is

1150
01:06:17.280 --> 01:06:19.039
quite big over by the one.

1151
01:06:19.119 --> 01:06:21.519
Yeah. Sorry, you know, I've been to these areas, but

1152
01:06:22.480 --> 01:06:25.599
I'm trying to think because in the area, traveled a

1153
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lot and I've seen a lot of a lot of forest. Again,

1154
01:06:29.960 --> 01:06:34.320
very tropical looking, dance dance forest. So yeah, thank you

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for that suggestion. I would love to do that. America

1156
01:06:36.480 --> 01:06:38.480
is a great country and I try to get that

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as frequently as I can. Got a lot of family there,

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a lot of relatives there. I think it's very open minded,

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01:06:44.719 --> 01:06:47.480
and I think it's if we've got chances of ever

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01:06:47.679 --> 01:06:50.800
of being able to discover this thing and to record it,

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it's going to be in America more than anywhere else. Absolutely,

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I don't have I don't have that hope. Sadly, Sadly,

1163
01:06:58.360 --> 01:07:01.280
I don't have that hope for anywhere else, because it's

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not the fact they don't have even the resources. They

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01:07:03.760 --> 01:07:06.800
don't have that open mindedness. They don't have that sense

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01:07:06.840 --> 01:07:12.920
of curiosity to explore. And because what I love about

1167
01:07:12.920 --> 01:07:16.880
the States, there's an immense curiosity about everything. Let's find out,

1168
01:07:16.960 --> 01:07:18.800
let's get the answer to this. Let's that's going to

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01:07:19.079 --> 01:07:21.079
search for the truth. But you don't have that in

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01:07:21.280 --> 01:07:22.519
most of the places in the world.

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So I kind of said it better myself. But now

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01:07:27.480 --> 01:07:32.920
what Yeah, an incredibly interesting and motivating conversation. I'm so

1173
01:07:33.079 --> 01:07:34.519
glad that you've reached out to me.

1174
01:07:35.000 --> 01:07:37.440
No, thank you, that's very sweet to you. I thank

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01:07:37.519 --> 01:07:39.920
you so much for giving me the great honor, the

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01:07:39.960 --> 01:07:42.960
pleasure and the privilege of speaking to you. I really do.

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01:07:43.079 --> 01:07:45.599
And it's I have to thank you more than you

1178
01:07:45.639 --> 01:07:47.760
than you're thanking me, because I think more thanks is

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01:07:47.840 --> 01:07:48.320
you to you.

1180
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Thank you, Dearingma, and I wish the best for your

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01:07:51.559 --> 01:07:56.280
future expeditions, and please reach out if anything else, Yeah,

1182
01:07:56.480 --> 01:07:57.679
definitely when you're looking.

1183
01:07:57.880 --> 01:08:01.400
So I'm most certainly will do that. Jeremiah, thank you

1184
01:08:01.480 --> 01:08:02.920
so much. And I'd just like to say all those

1185
01:08:02.960 --> 01:08:06.880
people who may be listening to this podcast whatever, please

1186
01:08:06.960 --> 01:08:09.000
keep an open mind. I mean, if I can have

1187
01:08:09.039 --> 01:08:11.840
an open mind, I owe people everybody should and can't

1188
01:08:11.880 --> 01:08:15.239
have an open mind, because this thing definitely exists. The

1189
01:08:15.280 --> 01:08:17.960
evidence is there. It's just that people not prepare to

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01:08:18.000 --> 01:08:20.600
accept the evidence for this, which they would, however, for

1191
01:08:20.800 --> 01:08:22.000
other things.

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Thanks Jeremiah, Thank you so much, Neav for coming on tonight.

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Thank you.

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Here's the list. If you've had any encounters in Oregon,

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you there and again thanks for listening.

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Her and I can get on here, we can tell

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our stories.

1216
01:10:27.199 --> 01:10:29.399
Maybe there's somebody else out there listening.

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01:10:29.359 --> 01:10:31.199
That's too afraid to tell their story.

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01:10:31.640 --> 01:10:34.279
Maybe this will give them the courage to come out.

1219
01:10:34.560 --> 01:10:37.000
And now it feels so bad about it, Who cares

1220
01:10:37.039 --> 01:10:39.800
what anybody thinks. I know what I saw, I know

1221
01:10:39.880 --> 01:10:58.840
what's out there. That's all I care about. Please let

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people on out, Please let them know. If you've ever

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01:11:02.880 --> 01:11:06.439
seen one of these things, you need to tell because

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01:11:06.439 --> 01:11:08.960
if you don't, then shame on you. You have.

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Shame on you,