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Sept. 22, 2026

A 12-Year-Old Heard Something Scream Near Forks—Then Everyone Started Leaving

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Season 1

Two firsthand accounts from the forests surrounding Forks, Washington—separated by more than three decades.


In August 2026, Joel and his family heard piercing screams behind their rental home. Nearby dogs erupted, movement appeared along the fence, and stones struck the house after everyone went inside. Morning revealed disturbing physical signs around an unsecured window.


Kuyler takes us back to 1994, when he was 12 years old at a Hoh River campground. A trembling dog, powerful unidentified vocalizations, and trees breaking in the darkness triggered a reaction throughout the campground.


These witnesses describe what they heard, what they found, and the questions that have followed them ever since. Listen to both complete firsthand accounts on Bigfoot Society.

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I got the dog with me. He was still just trembling.

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And I'm sitting there with my knife, steak knife, in

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front of the tenant with the kids in it.

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Two witnesses describe incidents near Forks, Washington, separated by more

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than 30 years. One began at a rental house bordering

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the woods, and the other at a Ho River campground.

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What was moving through the darkness around them? I'm Jeremiah Byron,

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and this is Bigfoot Society. All right, Bigfoot Society, welcome

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back to another episode. We've got the privilege of talking...

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to an individual, his name is Joel, about something that

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happened extremely recently, or it happened, something that happened recently

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on the western coast of Washington in the Olympic Peninsula.

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You may have.

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Seen this account referenced to in a recent Bigfoot Society

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reel or short or TikTok, but thankfully Joel was open

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to actually coming on the show. to share what happened

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and we can discuss that a bit, but welcome to

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the show. Joel, how are you?

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I'm doing good. Thanks for having me.

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Fantastic. I mean, I have really wanted to talk to

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you about this. It is a, it's a fascinating account.

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There's definitely some discussion. So feel free to, to, to

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take us back to when this this happened where it

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happened uh how you guys got in that situation to

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begin with all that good.

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Stuff yeah it's actually kind of an interesting story so

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um as i told you we're from the midwest and

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we were going out there for a family vacation at

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the end of this just this august here so we

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flew out there we went to mount rainier for three

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days prior to going to the olympic peninsula so i

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went to mount rainier Spent three days there, drove over

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to Port Angeles, actually, where we were going to stay

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at a rental property. That actually ended up going south

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as soon as we got there. So we were kind

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of left scrambling, trying to figure out where to go

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and what to do. We all pulled up our phones.

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It was, again, it was me and my family and

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then my mother and brother. We were all out there

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for the vacation. I'll pull up our phones. We're trying

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to find a place in the area to stay at.

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I found a place in Forks. Didn't really know much

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about it at the time, obviously. I was looking on

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the app. They're giving a really good discount just because

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it was last minute. So we decided to go ahead

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and book that place in Forks. So we loaded the

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car back up, drove over to Forks, and got to

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the house where we were going to spend the next

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three days. We were just going to go around hiking

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in Olympic National Park and then also just along the

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coast there, Pacific Coast. So we got there and the

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house is very nice, which sounds weird, but that's kind

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of one of the first things that just kind of

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intrigued me is that like this house is relatively new,

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maybe five, six years old, extremely nice, big property right

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on the edge of town. So when I say that,

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right behind the house, literally directly behind, there was nothing

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but woods. So just acres and acres of woods. which

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led up into the Olympic National Park mountains. I don't

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know how far it went back, but it looked like

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it's on a map pretty darn far back. That was

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the first thing that I thought was really cool. We

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brought our stuff in, everybody got their rooms. We went

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into the backyard and there's a hot tub in the backyard,

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huge backyard fenced in. I know I sent you a

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few pictures. I don't know if you had a chance

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to look at them or not, but the very first

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thing that I thought was very unique was a patch

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of backyard so again the backyard is probably like a

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half an acre and on the very back side is

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just a bunch of trees and that obviously would go

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into the woods there was a spot at the trees

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where it was almost it wasn't cut out it was

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like just a spot where nothing grew along the whole

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back of the yard there's obviously trees but then there

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was just blackberry bushes everywhere it's huge like patches of

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blackberry bushes this one spot there was nothing And it

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led into the woods and all of the grass around

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it was matted and bent and kind of stamped down.

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And it was probably about eight feet wide. And then

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it kind of went over a small hill, dipped back

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down into the woods. I'll kind of get to that

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in a minute because I did kind of try and

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walk back in there. So that was the first thing

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that I was like, oh, that's really weird. Me and

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my son have been hunting. Well, I've been hunting for

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like 15, 20 years. My son, he has been hunting

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with me just recently because he's just got to the

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age where he can. I know what a deer trail

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looks like. I know there's more than deer and in Washington,

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there's elk and bears and stuff, but this looked entirely different,

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but I'll kind of get to that in a minute.

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So we kind of stayed there for those two days.

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So that would have been Wednesday and Thursday. And then

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on Friday, that was gonna be our last day there.

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We were gonna drive Saturday to go to a couple

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of other places on our way back home to go

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to Seattle to fly back home to the Midwest. So

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Friday night after a day of hiking and doing whatever

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we did that day, I can't exactly remember. We went

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into the hot tub. There's this really nice hot tub

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at the house. We went into the hot tub. We

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didn't have the jets on. So it was still very quiet.

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And it was probably, I don't know, 8, 830. I

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can't remember the exact time. It was at that moment

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in time where the sun has probably actually set, but

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it's not quite yet dark. And we're sitting in the hotel.

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We're kind of just chatting, me, my wife, and my son.

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We're just sitting there chatting. And all of a sudden,

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I hear this extremely high-pitched whale scream type thing. And

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I tell everyone to stop talking the nicest way I could. Like,

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you hear that? And it happened again. And me and

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my son lock eyes. Obviously, we've been in the woods

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a lot. Never heard anything remotely like this. And we're like,

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what in the world was that? And then at that

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kind of same moment, neighbor who was probably 75 yards away,

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their house was a decent ways away. Their dogs just

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start going absolutely crazy. Their yard, you can kind of

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see them when you drove in, you can kind of

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see them. Their yard, it was all fenced in. So

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their dogs were just in there going nuts, barking at

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whatever made that noise. Um, so we were kind of

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just sitting there for a while, just listening, see if

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we would hear it again. And again, it sounded like

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relatively far off. Um, obviously that the sound had to

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make its way through the woods for us to hear it.

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So I don't know exactly, maybe a hundred yards. It

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could have been maybe more. I don't know how far

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off it was, but, um, extremely loud. So we were

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kind of sitting there, like hearing the dogs bark in

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my son were very interested. We were like, I don't

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know what that was. That was absolutely insane. So we

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get out of the hot tub and we walk into

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the backyard. Again, it's still kind of light a little bit, not,

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not light, but it's not quite pitch black yet. And

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we walk out there and we're kind of just standing

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there trying to listen to anything and really over the

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sound of the dogs. Cause the dogs were, again, they

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were like almost probably a hundred inch yards away, probably

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not quite somewhere in the middle of 50 to a

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hundred yards. And, um, Their barking was also echoing. So

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it kind of made a lot of just background noise

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that would make it difficult. Unless, again, if it screamed again,

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it was closer and it was just extremely loud, you

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would have heard it. But you didn't hear anything. Again,

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my son said he thought he heard something. I don't

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know if he did or not, but he thought he

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heard another sound outside of the dogs barking. I couldn't

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verify that. So you're all like, well, that was so weird.

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We went back to walk into where the hot tub

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is and we got back in. And I think we

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were just talking about it, like just chit-chatting. Again, I

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said my son had a prior experience in the state

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we live in. And he was just talking about that.

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And he's like, that's so weird. What the heck was that?

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We couldn't figure it out. And so we were sitting there.

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It got dark. And it was obviously a whole week.

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It was cloudy. I think it's probably just cloudy there

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all the time. Cloudy, misty. That night it wasn't raining,

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but it rained. Well, like misted pretty much the whole

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day earlier. that day earlier. And, um, so it was

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really dark trying to listen to what I'm trying to

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say is it was very dark. Couldn't really see, you

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could see the fence. So this house had a white

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fence on the backside of it and you could see

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the white fence, but just beyond that, you couldn't see nothing. Like,

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I mean, literally nothing. And we were just sitting there

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and all of us were just staring at the fence line.

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It was like, well, if we're going to see something,

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it's probably going to be on the fence line. That

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would make the most sense. So we sat there for

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a little while, just kind of taking a look. There

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was an outbuilding on this property too that had a light.

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The light was like somewhat shining into the property. But again,

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it was so dark that if it didn't come directly

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into the light, you would never have seen it. So

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this whole time, I keep on thinking that I am

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seeing something on the far left corner of the property

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where the fence kind of comes to meet in a corner.

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could never fully say that I did see something. Something always,

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I kept on thinking I was seeing something move in

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that corner. And then my wife says she saw something,

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she thinks she did, run from that corner kind of

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along to the middle of the fence and then go

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into the woods. So that's the first thing where she said,

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I think I just saw something run along the fence.

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I was like, oh, really?

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Where?

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We're looking over there and trying to figure out how

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far it ran and what would have happened. Again, it

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was one of those things where it's like, I think

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I saw that. Again, I didn't see it, so I

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couldn't confirm or anything like that. That's when my son

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starts to get kind of, I don't want to say scared,

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but what he said to me was, Dad, I have

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that feeling again like I did back in April. Because

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his experience that he had here was in April of

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this year. And I was like, okay, that's fine. We'll

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just pack it up and we'll go inside. So as

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we're doing that, we're kind of still standing there drying off.

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And then at that spot that I talked about earlier,

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the spot that was kind of open that led into

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the woods, he said he thought he saw something that

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filled in that space that looked at him and then

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kind of like shot back into the woods. Now, again,

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like I said, pitch black. You still could maybe see

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something large move. But again, it would always be kind

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of like, did I see that? You would always kind

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of second guess yourself because it was just so dark.

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So after that moment, we're like, okay, we'll go inside.

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We'll grab my flashlight. We'll come outside and see if

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we can see anything. I always bring a little flashlight

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with me everywhere I go. It's a very small one.

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It's not very bright. So we go back inside. We

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kind of start getting ready for bed to be changed,

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all that kind of stuff. Um, we decided to go

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back outside, grab my flashlight. I turned it on, but

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I cover it with my hand. So we try and

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go outside quietly and I take my flashlight and I

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like abruptly shine it into the woods and I shined

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it all across the fence line. Didn't see anything. Didn't

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see anything move, um, at that moment in time. So like, okay.

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And at that moment, you kind of have to like,

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if you put yourself in my shoes, I'm not like

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a huge Bigfoot guy. I mean, I watched some podcasts,

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stuff like that. Um, it's still like plausible deniability or

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whatever the appropriate term is. Cause I never actually saw something.

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So it was kind of like that. It was still like, well,

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I don't know. Maybe I'm just kind of going crazy.

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Maybe it was just some animal making some crazy noises.

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I don't know. Um, so that's when we realize that

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the window is unlockable. Well, it's kind of unlockable. So

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on the backside of the house, there's a window. in

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the living room. And it's kind of one of those

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houses where it has a living room, dining room and kitchen.

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It's kind of all one big area. And the living

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room had a triple window and the windows on the

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sides slid inward to the center of the large window.

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So it wasn't like they slid up or anything like that.

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They slid inwards and it was just a whole big

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vacant area. One side did lock and then the other

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side would not lock. And there were no screens or

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anything like that on the windows. And the reason it

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wouldn't lock is because the owner of the home, they

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ran their cable for their internet directly through the window.

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They didn't like drill a hole in the wall and

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put it through the wall like you're supposed to. They

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just shoved it through a window. So I had a window.

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I had no way of locking. And like, I obviously

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lock my house up when I'm not there. And at

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night when I go to bed, I just lock the

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doors and the windows. So I was kind of like, well,

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I don't know what the heck's out there. I don't

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like it being unlocked just in general. So me and

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my son did our best to try and find something

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to pry or pop that window closed. I think a

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lot of people use like a piece of wood to

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put it in there. We tried to find a piece

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of wood. There was really nothing long enough to fit

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in there to keep it closed. I opened one of

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the closets. It sounds stupid. The only thing that I

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could find is the house had a built-in vacuum into

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the actual house. So there was like the parts of

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like a shop vac that you stick together and you

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can extend it with. that kind of like that firm plastic,

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that's all that was there. So if I put two

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of those together along with the handle of the vacuum,

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that would get stuck into the window and it was

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in the window side on an angle. So like one

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side was on the bottom and the other side was

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like kind of up on the other side of the window. Like,

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I don't know, maybe a foot and a half, something

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like that. And I put it in there and I

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pushed down on it to lock it in there as

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best as I could. That's about all I could do.

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And again, I was still under the idea of like,

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I don't think anything's out there, but I'm not going

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to take any chances. So this is what I'm going

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to do. Now, I could not just unhook the internet

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because that next morning I had to register for our

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flight so we could fly out that following day. they

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didn't have a service there either. So the only thing

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we had was the internet there for any form of

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service on our cell phone. So I could not disconnect

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the internet. Okay. So we do that. We're ready for bed.

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We go lay down, we go to bed. My son's

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freaked out. So he wanted to sleep on the floor

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in our room. I was like, I don't care if

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I can do whatever you want. So he lays down

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on the floor next to my wife. We're just laying there.

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I'm honestly kind of like a little turbed. I'm a

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little anxious. And our room as well had a massive

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window and also a door. I closed the blinds. Not crazy.

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I'm not going to keep those open. So I closed

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the blinds on that. But you can still kind of

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see light come through from the outside building that I

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was talking about. So it's kind of my eyes were

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drawn there because I'm like, well, if something comes up

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to the patio, the patio went all the way around

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the house. I'm going to see it walk through the light,

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possibly at least possibly see it walk through the light.

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So I was kind of there. just looking at that,

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trying to fall asleep. And then all of a sudden

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we hear what sounded like a stone hitting glass and

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heard it. I didn't, I didn't say anything, but I

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know me and my wife and my son were all like,

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what was that? And our, in our brains. And then

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it happened again, probably 10 seconds later. My son sits

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up and said, what was that? And I, Before I

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could say anything, my wife said, oh, that's just your

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uncle getting a glass of water and then setting the

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cup down on the counter. Obviously, it's glass cups in

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the house and then a stone counter. I was like,

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that's possible, I guess. I could kind of where I

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was sleeping, I could see into the kitchen as well.

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And I saw no movement in the kitchen. So I

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was like, I said, I don't think that's it. It

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sounded like something hitting a window. And so my son

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jumps out of bed, runs out into the living room.

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to the kitchen and he comes back and says, no

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one's there. I was like, yeah, I could have told

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you that I didn't see anyone out there. And also

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it just didn't really say it sounded like that, but

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not really sounding like that. So, um, while he's out there,

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he hears another stone at the window. So again, at

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that moment in time, it's like, that's really weird. Like

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what in the world is that? Um, So we were

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kind of just, again, a little freaked out even more now.

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Because like what in the world is throwing stones at

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the house? It makes no sense. No human likely is

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going to do something like that. That just doesn't make

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any sense. He comes back in. He's like, it was not.

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And there's no one in the kitchen. That's not what

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it was. Something threw something at the house. So we're

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like still a little freaked out. I mean, it was

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kind of hard to fall asleep. It's because I knew

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the window wasn't really closed that well.

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That is the.

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Last thing as far as overnight that was spooky, whatever

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you want to call it, kind of confusing or weird.

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My son said in the middle of the night, he

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thought he saw a shadow move across the door in

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our room. And again, can't verify it, didn't see it.

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He said he thought he saw something kind of in

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his stupor when he woke up in the middle of

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the night. you know, just like walk across a light

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so he could kind of like it, like it blocked

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the light for a second, something like that. Don't know

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if that's the case, but that's what he said. So

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my alarm went off really early. We had to get

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up super early because I had, again, had to register

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the flight. And then I also, we were driving to

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the whole rainforest. We had to get there really early.

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Otherwise it gets too busy. So we were up bright

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and early. And I, the first thing I did, my

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mom and my, and my brother, they're not at all

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like they're, they're, brains probably would never go to Bigfoot

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or something like that. And they were not out there

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with us at the time when this all went down.

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They were in their bedrooms, you know, getting ready for

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bed or sleeping at that time that all this happened.

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So they were none the wiser. And I still haven't

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even actually talked to them about I need to do that.

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I have not actually talked to them about it yet.

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So I was up before everyone. The first thing I

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did was went over to the window and And that's

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when I got freaked out. So I went over to

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the window that I, you know, barricaded and I pull

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up the blinds and the rod of the vacuum connection,

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whatever you want to call it, was completely bowed, like

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not like a U, but it was bowed and it

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was no longer propped up. It was laying flat on

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the inside of the window. So it was in a

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completely different spot and making like a half view. I

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was like, what in the world? Because when I put

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that in the window, I struggled to get it clamped

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down in there. So I thought that it wouldn't move.

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So there was no one else up in the middle

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of the night at that house. And first off, no

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one even knew besides me and my son. I think

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my wife probably knew that we put that in the window.

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And I don't even know who would have walked over

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there from my family, compressed it and then pushed it

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down and would not have just put it away. So

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something was on the outside of the house, went to

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that window and hold that window open. I don't know

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how far or for what reason, but that's the only

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explanation that I could possibly think of. So I, I

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pulled it out. I showed my son and And we're

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just kind of like gassed, like what in the world

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is going on? And then, so we're all at that point,

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we're all kind of like getting up now. Like everyone

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in the house is getting up, getting dressed and ready

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to go. It's probably six o'clock in the morning. It's

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pretty early. So it was just getting light outside. My

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son goes outside and I don't know exactly what for.

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He went out in the backyard. He comes back inside.

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opens up his hand. He's got three stones in his hand.

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They're like probably the size of like dimes or something

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like that. And I'm like, he's like, these are on

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the back porch. My wife's like, you're lying. There's no way. Like, no,

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I found these right where I told you they were thrown.

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I'm like, oh, really? Wow. That's really something else. So

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we did find whatever, you know, whoever threw those stones,

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we did find those stones. on the back porch. So

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we weren't losing our brains. Someone actually threw something, actually

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threw stones at us when we were in the house.

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So we were still kind of getting ready. Me and

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my son were still talking and trying to figure everything out.

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And then we were kind of like walking in the backyard.

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My wife was kind of yelling us that we had

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to get going. We were like, hold on. And we

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went to the backyard and there were impressions. There were

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no footprints. It's a it's a drought there, I think

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this summer. So they had like 30% of the normal

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rainfall that they normally get. So they're very, very dry

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there this summer. So the, the, I don't know if

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like an actual like foot impression or not an impression,

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what am I looking for? Like a actual indentation into

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the ground would have been too visible because the ground

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was very firm, but we did see a long side

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of the house. Something came over the fence and, It

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walked along the house. It stopped at my mother's window

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so we could see the footsteps. And my son even

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was walking in them. He was like having to take

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these long strides to walk in these steps. Whatever it was,

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stopped at my mother's window and was like standing there

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because you could see all these like spots where everything

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was just impressed and pushed down at that one spot

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at the window. And I don't know if she had

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her window closed or open. something was standing at that

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moment or standing there looking inside her window. The footsteps

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continued across the lawn and they went over to buy

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the hot tub. And then they stopped as they kind

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of angled in to where that window is that I

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was talking about earlier. So the footsteps literally led the

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whole way up and to that spot, they stopped and

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then that's where the window was that we could not

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lock closed. So then at that moment in time, we're like,

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I don't know why I didn't take it. Hindsight's always 20, 20.

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I was thinking, man, why did I not take, I

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got home. I'm like, why did I not take pictures

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of these indentations? Like, or actually you kind of see

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them in one of the pictures that I sent you.

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It was like one of those things at the time

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I was just so hectic and trying to get out

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of there that I was, you know, I had to

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just basically leave. So, I did actually walk into the

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woods two separate times. Me and my son, there was

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a river kind of close to the house. We tried

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to walk in the woods to get to the river.

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That was a spot of the woods that was not

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quite as dense. You could kind of walk through there

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a little bit. We still couldn't make it to the

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river because it was kind of like a ravine. But

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I did walk into that spot. I think it was

457
00:23:48.599 --> 00:23:51.369
Thursday of that week where I was talking about earlier

458
00:23:51.420 --> 00:23:54.710
where it was all matted and bent down. And I

459
00:23:54.789 --> 00:23:56.990
walked kind of over there and in there to see

460
00:23:57.029 --> 00:23:59.869
if I could just see anything, any kind of tracks.

461
00:24:00.170 --> 00:24:04.269
This was on Thursday. I did that. And I couldn't

462
00:24:04.289 --> 00:24:06.930
really see anything. I kind of can't stress to you

463
00:24:06.950 --> 00:24:09.750
enough how bizarre that spot was. Like all of the

464
00:24:09.789 --> 00:24:14.869
grass just there was completely matted down. Like something went

465
00:24:14.990 --> 00:24:18.190
in and out of there frequently or sat there. I

466
00:24:18.210 --> 00:24:20.990
don't know. And then just beyond that, on the inside

467
00:24:21.039 --> 00:24:24.140
of the woods, it was pretty dense. Like I was

468
00:24:24.180 --> 00:24:26.589
not prepared. to be able to walk into the woods

469
00:24:26.609 --> 00:24:29.640
with any of the stuff that I had. There was

470
00:24:29.680 --> 00:24:32.519
kind of like a lane that went from that spot

471
00:24:33.039 --> 00:24:36.259
and it went over towards the house of the guy

472
00:24:36.299 --> 00:24:39.000
with dogs that were barking. So like whatever was back

473
00:24:39.059 --> 00:24:42.339
there could relatively, I mean, obviously if it's a human,

474
00:24:42.359 --> 00:24:44.369
it'd be a challenge, but it could relatively move through

475
00:24:44.380 --> 00:24:47.430
that area pretty easily. Now me and my son went

476
00:24:47.490 --> 00:24:51.150
back to that spot on Friday, right before we left.

477
00:24:51.779 --> 00:24:55.180
And we found this branch, probably about two feet long,

478
00:24:55.940 --> 00:24:58.759
stuck into the ground. We were like, I know that

479
00:24:58.819 --> 00:25:02.200
wasn't there before when I was there on Thursday because

480
00:25:02.240 --> 00:25:04.059
it was kind of right in the middle of the

481
00:25:04.099 --> 00:25:06.799
spot there. My son pulls it out and it was

482
00:25:06.839 --> 00:25:09.799
in the ground like 10 inches. It was like, what

483
00:25:09.819 --> 00:25:11.660
the heck is this? And it wasn't like a dead branch.

484
00:25:11.680 --> 00:25:14.150
There was no tree that fell or anything like that.

485
00:25:14.230 --> 00:25:18.250
So it was just a branch randomly stuck into the ground. Like, okay, well,

486
00:25:18.269 --> 00:25:21.160
that's really weird. I don't know what that's about. So

487
00:25:21.240 --> 00:25:24.180
after that, I mean, that's really basically the story. It's

488
00:25:24.240 --> 00:25:27.809
nothing crazy, but it was just one of those things

489
00:25:27.869 --> 00:25:30.069
where it's like, I don't know what it was. It

490
00:25:30.750 --> 00:25:32.190
was really, really, really bizarre.

491
00:25:34.069 --> 00:25:37.109
It's intense. I don't know if you heard me.

492
00:25:39.029 --> 00:25:39.269
Laugh.

493
00:25:39.589 --> 00:25:41.309
I laugh when I get nervous. I don't know if

494
00:25:41.329 --> 00:25:43.829
you heard that. So when I'm out in Oregon and

495
00:25:44.349 --> 00:25:46.490
Pacific Northwest out in the woods, I'm laughing a lot

496
00:25:46.529 --> 00:25:51.829
because I'm nervous as I'll get out. But for some reason, like, man,

497
00:25:51.880 --> 00:25:56.890
your account is just really intense. So I have a

498
00:25:56.930 --> 00:26:03.829
few questions for you. So how long would you estimate

499
00:26:04.009 --> 00:26:05.279
the indentations?

500
00:26:06.599 --> 00:26:07.460
Good question.

501
00:26:07.480 --> 00:26:08.740
Good question.

502
00:26:09.119 --> 00:26:14.039
Longer than, I wear a size 13. I would probably

503
00:26:14.099 --> 00:26:18.559
say at least that. if not maybe a little bit larger.

504
00:26:19.200 --> 00:26:21.819
So like a large man's footprint, put it that way.

505
00:26:21.839 --> 00:26:25.299
Nothing enormous, nothing enormous.

506
00:26:25.559 --> 00:26:27.839
And I don't think whatever it was that walked in

507
00:26:27.900 --> 00:26:31.960
our lawn was huge. If it was, you know, you

508
00:26:31.980 --> 00:26:34.559
hear people say they can get as large as eight,

509
00:26:34.559 --> 00:26:37.420
10 feet, whatever. I can't imagine something that big would

510
00:26:37.460 --> 00:26:40.700
have been able to get over to that window to

511
00:26:40.740 --> 00:26:42.359
try and open it. And if it was that big,

512
00:26:42.380 --> 00:26:44.529
it would have ripped that window right off. It would

513
00:26:44.569 --> 00:26:47.309
have had no trouble opening that window. But somebody thought

514
00:26:47.329 --> 00:26:48.890
it would be probably the size of a large man.

515
00:26:48.910 --> 00:26:50.329
Okay.

516
00:26:50.950 --> 00:26:55.650
How much space between the indentations you mentioned that your

517
00:26:55.730 --> 00:26:57.170
son had been trying to go?

518
00:26:57.349 --> 00:26:57.650
Yeah.

519
00:26:57.990 --> 00:27:01.609
So it would be like if you're 6'2, if I

520
00:27:01.690 --> 00:27:05.529
walked awkwardly long, not like super long, but if I

521
00:27:05.589 --> 00:27:10.539
took like maybe an extra footstep when I walked, Like

522
00:27:10.579 --> 00:27:13.240
a little bit awkwardly walking like that, that far. So like,

523
00:27:13.279 --> 00:27:15.299
not like a normal cadence for a larger man, a

524
00:27:16.200 --> 00:27:19.490
touch larger than that. One thing my son said, he

525
00:27:19.509 --> 00:27:21.829
kind of got all into Bigfoot after this. And he

526
00:27:21.849 --> 00:27:24.869
was like, you watch some video about how you said that.

527
00:27:25.589 --> 00:27:27.829
I don't even know if this is true, but people

528
00:27:27.869 --> 00:27:31.059
find Bigfoot tracks. They're kind of more in line with

529
00:27:31.130 --> 00:27:33.519
one another, as opposed to humans are more like side

530
00:27:33.539 --> 00:27:34.799
to side. You know what I mean? I don't know

531
00:27:34.819 --> 00:27:35.240
if that's true.

532
00:27:35.940 --> 00:27:36.380
I think so.

533
00:27:37.299 --> 00:27:39.789
Yeah. Those tracks were like, in more of a straight line.

534
00:27:39.849 --> 00:27:43.150
They weren't like side by side, which I thought was

535
00:27:43.190 --> 00:27:43.890
really weird too.

536
00:27:44.369 --> 00:27:49.869
Okay. How far off the ground was your mother's window?

537
00:27:52.369 --> 00:27:55.710
If I were standing up as 6'2 person, it probably

538
00:27:55.789 --> 00:28:03.069
hit just above like your chest area on me. So

539
00:28:03.089 --> 00:28:04.789
like maybe four to five feet.

540
00:28:05.390 --> 00:28:05.950
Gotcha.

541
00:28:05.970 --> 00:28:09.369
That's the beginning of the bottom of the window. okay

542
00:28:10.210 --> 00:28:12.430
so like i i could easily look inside so whatever

543
00:28:12.470 --> 00:28:14.230
it was it was my size it had absolutely no

544
00:28:14.269 --> 00:28:15.569
trouble looking inside.

545
00:28:18.390 --> 00:28:24.710
The the day before so the day let's say the

546
00:28:24.859 --> 00:28:30.079
the supper uh of the day before that that night

547
00:28:30.119 --> 00:28:32.079
when you had all that stuff happened what were you

548
00:28:32.099 --> 00:28:33.240
guys cooking in there.

549
00:28:34.670 --> 00:28:36.349
Uh, we cooked in, what did we make at night?

550
00:28:36.369 --> 00:28:38.230
I think we just made something cheap, like nachos or

551
00:28:38.269 --> 00:28:40.609
something like that. But yeah, but there were no windows

552
00:28:40.650 --> 00:28:42.789
were open again. It was like, uh, I'm sure you're

553
00:28:42.809 --> 00:28:45.210
aware of the climate there. It was like 60. So

554
00:28:45.230 --> 00:28:49.029
it wasn't like hot or anything. Um, I would imagine

555
00:28:49.369 --> 00:28:52.950
obviously if it's an animal, they could probably smell something.

556
00:28:52.970 --> 00:28:53.190
Yeah.

557
00:28:54.750 --> 00:28:58.670
Did you mention to anyone else about what had happened

558
00:28:58.829 --> 00:29:00.789
after this? You mentioned you haven't even talked to your

559
00:29:00.829 --> 00:29:01.650
mother and.

560
00:29:02.470 --> 00:29:05.500
Yeah, no. Um, so actually it's funny enough, the very

561
00:29:05.539 --> 00:29:08.220
first night we were there, my brother smokes, he was

562
00:29:08.259 --> 00:29:10.200
the one at night. So it was Wednesday night. We

563
00:29:10.240 --> 00:29:11.759
got there, we got to the place late. Cause again,

564
00:29:11.779 --> 00:29:13.960
like I said, we were like kind of scrambling last minute.

565
00:29:13.980 --> 00:29:16.039
So we didn't get there until seven 30 on Wednesday night.

566
00:29:17.259 --> 00:29:19.599
He was out there after we all else went to

567
00:29:19.640 --> 00:29:24.329
bed and he, um, the next morning he says to

568
00:29:24.369 --> 00:29:28.569
my son, jokingly, of course, I heard Bigfoot last night. Um,

569
00:29:28.750 --> 00:29:30.690
and my son, and I don't know what my son

570
00:29:30.710 --> 00:29:32.269
said to him. I wasn't there when he said it

571
00:29:32.289 --> 00:29:36.079
to my son. Um, And I thought that was kind

572
00:29:36.099 --> 00:29:38.430
of funny. And then like, I think it was later

573
00:29:38.529 --> 00:29:40.680
that Thursday I asked my brother, I'm like, well, what

574
00:29:40.700 --> 00:29:44.240
did you hear? He's like, he's like, honestly, nothing I've

575
00:29:44.279 --> 00:29:46.359
ever heard in my life. I couldn't even explain it. Now,

576
00:29:46.980 --> 00:29:48.289
I take that with a grain of salt, and I'm

577
00:29:48.329 --> 00:29:51.549
not in any way trying to insult my brother. He

578
00:29:51.569 --> 00:29:53.190
doesn't go off into the woods a lot. Me and

579
00:29:53.210 --> 00:29:55.309
my son, again, we hunt, hear all kinds of things

580
00:29:55.349 --> 00:29:58.109
in the woods. I don't know if he would know

581
00:29:58.910 --> 00:30:02.799
what an elk would sound like. I don't think he

582
00:30:02.819 --> 00:30:05.779
would understand that being different than a monster or whatever.

583
00:30:05.799 --> 00:30:08.839
You know what I mean? So he said that and

584
00:30:09.039 --> 00:30:11.019
kind of more of a joke, but he did say like,

585
00:30:11.079 --> 00:30:12.740
it was something like I've never heard in my life.

586
00:30:12.789 --> 00:30:15.869
And he said it sounded like, it's kind of weird.

587
00:30:17.809 --> 00:30:21.529
What was it? It's from Empire Strikes Back when they're

588
00:30:21.549 --> 00:30:25.880
on that frozen island, those like creatures they ride on together. Yeah,

589
00:30:25.980 --> 00:30:28.750
I think so. it kind of sounded like that. He said,

590
00:30:28.769 --> 00:30:30.730
and I was like, that's weird. Okay.

591
00:30:30.849 --> 00:30:31.210
I don't know.

592
00:30:31.230 --> 00:30:32.150
Yeah.

593
00:30:32.190 --> 00:30:35.079
So, so I don't know. Yeah. It was kind of

594
00:30:35.119 --> 00:30:38.380
interesting though. What we heard sounded nothing like that.

595
00:30:39.019 --> 00:30:50.269
Okay. Very interesting. So really besides that discussion, then, then

596
00:30:50.289 --> 00:30:54.180
you reached out to me, that would have been about it.

597
00:30:55.099 --> 00:30:57.079
Yeah, I don't think, let me think about this. So

598
00:30:57.180 --> 00:31:00.740
just my, my daughter obviously overhears us talking about it,

599
00:31:00.759 --> 00:31:03.839
but she has no interest. I think that night when

600
00:31:03.880 --> 00:31:05.400
we kind of came in, we were talking about it.

601
00:31:05.400 --> 00:31:07.599
She got freaked out. So she just wanted nothing to

602
00:31:07.640 --> 00:31:11.200
do with it at all. And then obviously my son

603
00:31:11.240 --> 00:31:13.039
and I have been for the last couple of months

604
00:31:13.099 --> 00:31:16.509
talking about his experience as well. So that also kind

605
00:31:16.549 --> 00:31:19.369
of freaks her out because his is, his experience is

606
00:31:19.470 --> 00:31:24.089
honestly lack of a better word, worse than ours in

607
00:31:24.130 --> 00:31:28.410
the sense of he physically saw something um not too

608
00:31:28.430 --> 00:31:32.099
far from him so it's it's a different thing altogether.

609
00:31:32.180 --> 00:31:36.960
Absolutely and and we we talked at the beginning you're

610
00:31:37.579 --> 00:31:41.420
you're comfortable uh sharing that as well which we'll get

611
00:31:41.460 --> 00:31:46.480
to in a bit um now so i did make

612
00:31:47.299 --> 00:31:49.599
i have had a few people as you imagine uh

613
00:31:50.140 --> 00:31:56.049
reach out um And they're like, okay, let me phrase

614
00:31:56.089 --> 00:32:01.750
this the right way. Did you contact the Airbnb owner

615
00:32:02.250 --> 00:32:02.690
about this?

616
00:32:02.710 --> 00:32:10.450
Good question. I did. Okay. We're very conscientious people, so

617
00:32:10.490 --> 00:32:13.329
we left it very clean. We messaged her when we left.

618
00:32:15.230 --> 00:32:18.309
She messaged us back saying thank you for leaving it clean. Okay,

619
00:32:18.329 --> 00:32:20.769
no problem. I told my wife, I said, you need

620
00:32:20.789 --> 00:32:24.430
to message her. You need to tell her that And

621
00:32:24.509 --> 00:32:26.529
I'm sure she knows this, whoever owns this place. I'm

622
00:32:26.569 --> 00:32:29.769
sure she knew that that window didn't lock. I was like,

623
00:32:29.789 --> 00:32:32.490
you need to tell her that that's kind of unacceptable.

624
00:32:32.670 --> 00:32:35.170
Like you gotta, you can't have a house that just

625
00:32:35.210 --> 00:32:37.609
can't be locked. That to me is like mind boggling

626
00:32:37.630 --> 00:32:41.789
that someone would do that. So that's the only thing

627
00:32:41.829 --> 00:32:46.410
that I told her. I didn't want to like, I mean,

628
00:32:46.430 --> 00:32:48.200
I think it would be kind of, if it were

629
00:32:48.259 --> 00:32:50.900
me and I'm just an average Joe and someone said, Hey,

630
00:32:51.039 --> 00:32:53.099
I think Bigfoot's at your house. probably going to think

631
00:32:53.119 --> 00:32:55.960
I'm a weirdo. Um, so I didn't, I didn't feel

632
00:32:56.160 --> 00:32:57.940
like that was probably appropriate.

633
00:32:58.420 --> 00:33:03.940
So man, you really didn't know anything about Forks going there.

634
00:33:05.240 --> 00:33:08.819
Uh, well, I mean, like I obviously knew about, um, uh,

635
00:33:08.970 --> 00:33:12.589
Olympic peninsula being like a hotspot, right. For a Bigfoot

636
00:33:12.630 --> 00:33:15.849
in general Forks. Oh, I knew like Forks was like

637
00:33:16.190 --> 00:33:18.509
some movie or something like that for, for girls or

638
00:33:18.529 --> 00:33:19.650
something like that. I forget what the name of the

639
00:33:19.690 --> 00:33:21.200
movie is, but there's a big thing there with, uh,

640
00:33:21.930 --> 00:33:24.599
vampire movie um but that's it that's all i kind

641
00:33:24.640 --> 00:33:26.779
of knew that it was that and that it was

642
00:33:27.079 --> 00:33:30.140
on the far side of uh olympic national park that's

643
00:33:30.160 --> 00:33:32.099
really it well.

644
00:33:32.079 --> 00:33:36.599
To be fair twilight is also uh could be for

645
00:33:36.640 --> 00:33:39.980
dudes too but that's a different that's a different is

646
00:33:40.000 --> 00:33:42.440
that what it is is it twilight is that what.

647
00:33:42.359 --> 00:33:44.910
It is is it twilight uh yeah i didn't even

648
00:33:44.930 --> 00:33:48.569
know that no i've been there um but that i

649
00:33:48.650 --> 00:33:53.589
covered that uh a few episodes back um but yeah

650
00:33:53.609 --> 00:33:55.509
yeah so it's crazy because it used to all be

651
00:33:55.529 --> 00:33:58.549
in the twilight but now it's really uh there's a

652
00:33:58.549 --> 00:34:01.089
lot of bigfoot stuff going in there's a actually yeah

653
00:34:01.150 --> 00:34:04.759
a bigfoot museum and a bigfoot store uh that tom's.

654
00:34:04.559 --> 00:34:06.960
Which is a bigfoot store and actually what's funny is

655
00:34:07.240 --> 00:34:08.840
i went to that store i bought a shirt there

656
00:34:08.860 --> 00:34:12.610
um And the guy there, I swear I recognized him

657
00:34:12.650 --> 00:34:15.650
from a YouTube video. Whoever was, yeah. I don't know

658
00:34:15.670 --> 00:34:17.929
the guy's name. I didn't like talk to the guy.

659
00:34:17.949 --> 00:34:19.800
I was like, I remember you from a video I

660
00:34:19.860 --> 00:34:23.199
saw before I went there. I went there. I watched

661
00:34:23.239 --> 00:34:26.340
a couple of like documentary type, whatever you want to

662
00:34:26.360 --> 00:34:28.440
call it on YouTube. And I was like, that guy

663
00:34:28.460 --> 00:34:29.019
looks familiar.

664
00:34:29.179 --> 00:34:29.420
Yeah.

665
00:34:29.460 --> 00:34:32.119
He's, he's a good dude. He owns that store and

666
00:34:32.599 --> 00:34:36.429
in museum, good stuff. That's an intense account, even though,

667
00:34:37.110 --> 00:34:43.539
I mean, And you did kind of have some visuals

668
00:34:43.619 --> 00:34:44.719
as well. That's wild.

669
00:34:45.320 --> 00:34:45.579
Yeah.

670
00:34:45.699 --> 00:34:47.320
And again, it's one of those things where since it

671
00:34:47.360 --> 00:34:51.139
wasn't me, I cannot say what it was.

672
00:34:53.440 --> 00:35:01.230
So you said that this really affected your son, which

673
00:35:01.289 --> 00:35:04.590
is interesting because... Oh, sorry. And can I get the

674
00:35:04.650 --> 00:35:05.809
exact date for this again?

675
00:35:06.199 --> 00:35:09.179
I want to make sure. Yeah, it was August 28th

676
00:35:10.420 --> 00:35:10.780
at night.

677
00:35:11.360 --> 00:35:12.590
August 28th of 2026.

678
00:35:12.590 --> 00:35:15.070
Yeah, so just a couple of weeks ago.

679
00:35:15.110 --> 00:35:15.510
Recent.

680
00:35:16.449 --> 00:35:22.269
Very recent. Because you've alluded to your son has had

681
00:35:22.530 --> 00:35:27.519
a incident happen earlier in April, but you're saying that

682
00:35:27.679 --> 00:35:31.840
this incident and Forks, do you think it affected him

683
00:35:31.900 --> 00:35:35.079
even greater or it just maybe pushed him over the edge?

684
00:35:35.099 --> 00:35:39.880
It So he never said what he saw in middle

685
00:35:39.900 --> 00:35:45.179
Wisconsin was Bigfoot. That's not the words he used. I

686
00:35:45.179 --> 00:35:48.340
don't remember. He called maybe, I don't know if he

687
00:35:48.360 --> 00:35:53.360
ever gave it a name. But I think this, in

688
00:35:54.010 --> 00:35:58.730
conjunction with that, kind of like figured his brain to

689
00:35:58.889 --> 00:36:04.230
think about Bigfoot more. And he mentioned something the other day.

690
00:36:04.530 --> 00:36:07.130
What did he call it? The traveler effect or something

691
00:36:07.170 --> 00:36:10.489
like that. Or when you see a Bigfoot, you're more

692
00:36:10.550 --> 00:36:13.090
likely to see another one. I forget what it's called.

693
00:36:13.489 --> 00:36:16.570
He's really referring to what's called the hitchhiker effect.

694
00:36:16.610 --> 00:36:17.530
There we go.

695
00:36:17.650 --> 00:36:24.090
That's what it is. Things can in a way follow

696
00:36:24.489 --> 00:36:29.050
you home and weird things can happen weeks, days after

697
00:36:29.070 --> 00:36:32.730
that and It's kind of talked about with Skinwalker Ranch

698
00:36:32.789 --> 00:36:33.329
as well.

699
00:36:34.030 --> 00:36:34.389
Okay.

700
00:36:34.829 --> 00:36:37.269
But that's what, yeah, that's definitely what he's referring to.

701
00:36:37.809 --> 00:36:37.989
Yeah.

702
00:36:38.110 --> 00:36:39.349
And so this would be kind of different than that,

703
00:36:39.409 --> 00:36:43.210
I guess. It's his experience that he had in Wisconsin

704
00:36:43.230 --> 00:36:45.690
was April of this year.

705
00:36:47.010 --> 00:36:49.570
Okay. Do you mind if we get into what your

706
00:36:49.610 --> 00:36:50.989
son had experienced in April?

707
00:36:51.949 --> 00:36:52.150
Sure.

708
00:36:52.409 --> 00:36:55.949
So it's a place we go to. I mean, it's

709
00:36:55.989 --> 00:37:02.019
a friend's property, right? It's in the middle of Wisconsin-ish. And, um,

710
00:37:02.960 --> 00:37:05.599
basically hunting land, it's like 300 acres of hunting land.

711
00:37:05.619 --> 00:37:09.159
You have a cabin on the property, fairly small cabin.

712
00:37:09.179 --> 00:37:11.869
It's basically one big room. And, um, he goes up

713
00:37:11.889 --> 00:37:14.750
there with his buddy to just be kids and go

714
00:37:15.070 --> 00:37:16.829
up there a couple of times a year, once or

715
00:37:16.869 --> 00:37:19.869
twice to go hunting. And he was there in April.

716
00:37:19.909 --> 00:37:21.389
You can't hunt in April, but they were there kind

717
00:37:21.409 --> 00:37:23.010
of like some cleaning up and stuff.

718
00:37:23.250 --> 00:37:23.469
And in.

719
00:37:24.969 --> 00:37:26.360
The middle of the night, he woke up, had to

720
00:37:26.380 --> 00:37:29.320
go to the bathroom. So there's a back door on

721
00:37:29.340 --> 00:37:32.510
this cabin that leads on like a elevated path to

722
00:37:32.550 --> 00:37:35.869
the outhouse. And so he went outside the back door

723
00:37:36.230 --> 00:37:38.210
and I probably won two in the morning. I don't

724
00:37:38.230 --> 00:37:40.530
know exactly the time, but it would have been early,

725
00:37:40.570 --> 00:37:43.969
early morning. He didn't go into the house, go to

726
00:37:43.989 --> 00:37:46.070
the bathroom, he just peed off the side of the

727
00:37:46.110 --> 00:37:50.900
raised walkway. As he's peeing behind him, he hears heavy breathing.

728
00:37:51.539 --> 00:37:55.440
He's like, that's weird. So he turns around and says, hello, like,

729
00:37:56.929 --> 00:38:00.690
seeing if something will return to him. Nothing happens, just

730
00:38:00.889 --> 00:38:03.710
breathing heavy. So it kind of spooked him out. So

731
00:38:03.750 --> 00:38:07.590
he finishes up, goes back inside. He's thirsty. He goes

732
00:38:07.769 --> 00:38:11.239
over to the sink to get water. And they don't

733
00:38:11.280 --> 00:38:13.179
have water in the house. They have like old office,

734
00:38:13.199 --> 00:38:16.139
like little igloo cooler thing. So he's got the water

735
00:38:17.360 --> 00:38:21.599
and he turned sideways to a window and he's drinking

736
00:38:22.159 --> 00:38:25.670
the water. And out of the corner of his eye, probably,

737
00:38:25.670 --> 00:38:32.159
50 feet from the house, he sees some form of

738
00:38:32.300 --> 00:38:35.090
humanoid object. And so they have the cabin and they

739
00:38:35.170 --> 00:38:37.489
also off to the side of the house, the cabin,

740
00:38:37.510 --> 00:38:39.989
they have another very, very small cabin. It's like the

741
00:38:40.030 --> 00:38:42.469
size of a shed really just meant for guys to

742
00:38:42.510 --> 00:38:45.750
sleep in kind of when they're hunting basically. And, um,

743
00:38:46.510 --> 00:38:49.139
so there's the cabin there and then the smaller cabin

744
00:38:49.159 --> 00:38:53.659
right next to the small cabin. It's like a little bench. And, um,

745
00:38:54.489 --> 00:38:57.670
That's exactly where he sees this thing. And he's drinking.

746
00:38:58.329 --> 00:39:01.010
He sees it because there was moonlight. And what he

747
00:39:01.070 --> 00:39:02.769
said was, he actually drew me a picture. I wish

748
00:39:02.809 --> 00:39:04.929
I would have kept it. And I emailed it to you.

749
00:39:06.780 --> 00:39:10.760
It was behind the bench and it looked like a

750
00:39:11.000 --> 00:39:14.019
large human. So like very large human. The picture he

751
00:39:14.079 --> 00:39:16.869
drew me, it would have been extremely large. And the

752
00:39:17.230 --> 00:39:19.639
thing that The reason why he said he didn't think

753
00:39:19.659 --> 00:39:21.360
it was Bigfoot is because it was kind of more

754
00:39:21.440 --> 00:39:25.389
gray in color. It wasn't like black. He described it

755
00:39:25.429 --> 00:39:27.690
initially as white. I don't think it was white. I

756
00:39:27.730 --> 00:39:31.000
think it was just a lighter colored, what it was, gray,

757
00:39:31.199 --> 00:39:34.360
you know, whatever. And it didn't have like that typical

758
00:39:34.380 --> 00:39:39.230
big foot look of like the broad shoulders and the

759
00:39:40.190 --> 00:39:43.130
kind of sloping up into like a domed head. It

760
00:39:43.150 --> 00:39:46.429
was more human-like. And actually what he drew was kind

761
00:39:46.449 --> 00:39:49.519
of a more narrow head. like it was a neck

762
00:39:49.659 --> 00:39:52.539
with a narrower head. Obviously, I didn't see it, but

763
00:39:52.559 --> 00:39:55.260
this is his interpretation, his drawing of what he saw.

764
00:39:55.739 --> 00:39:59.170
So he's drinking, he stops drinking, and he's literally looking

765
00:39:59.230 --> 00:40:02.030
at it through the window. So this is not just

766
00:40:02.130 --> 00:40:04.650
like a glance. This is not something running by him

767
00:40:04.849 --> 00:40:09.150
or anything like that. He's sitting there staring right at

768
00:40:09.190 --> 00:40:13.320
this thing. And then so he's like getting the goosebumps

769
00:40:13.659 --> 00:40:17.460
and He goes into the, again, it's kind of a

770
00:40:17.659 --> 00:40:21.699
one big room cabin. He's looking at it through one window.

771
00:40:21.719 --> 00:40:24.489
He's like, he wanted to get a different angle on it.

772
00:40:24.900 --> 00:40:27.760
See if he's like losing his mind. He walks over

773
00:40:27.780 --> 00:40:31.380
around the countertop to go to the living room and

774
00:40:31.719 --> 00:40:35.320
is staring at it through the other large like bay window.

775
00:40:35.340 --> 00:40:38.000
So he's probably looking at this thing and I don't,

776
00:40:38.659 --> 00:40:40.510
I have to ask him again, but I don't think

777
00:40:40.619 --> 00:40:43.750
it moved the whole time. He was just staring at it.

778
00:40:44.650 --> 00:40:47.030
And whatever it was, didn't move. It just sat there.

779
00:40:47.869 --> 00:40:49.630
So I think he just ended up getting kind of

780
00:40:49.670 --> 00:40:55.139
freaked out and then just went back into the... When

781
00:40:55.179 --> 00:40:57.099
I say it's one big room, it actually, it really is.

782
00:40:57.260 --> 00:40:59.679
But they have a divided section where it leads off

783
00:40:59.719 --> 00:41:02.610
into like bunkhouse type thing, a little bunk room. So

784
00:41:02.619 --> 00:41:04.130
he went back in there and woke his friend up.

785
00:41:04.150 --> 00:41:08.190
He was like, hey, I saw something. His friend's like, okay, yeah, whatever.

786
00:41:08.210 --> 00:41:09.389
And he goes back to bed.

787
00:41:09.409 --> 00:41:09.550
So....

788
00:41:11.460 --> 00:41:13.360
He was like, all right. He went back to bed

789
00:41:13.380 --> 00:41:16.519
and was trying to get back to sleep. And then

790
00:41:17.059 --> 00:41:21.440
something pounds on the house. And I don't think it

791
00:41:21.480 --> 00:41:25.940
was horrendously hard. It's a log cabin, so it's built

792
00:41:25.960 --> 00:41:29.380
pretty well. But he remembers it hitting the house, and

793
00:41:29.420 --> 00:41:31.519
then there was a pill bottle that would just shake.

794
00:41:31.639 --> 00:41:34.070
And I think it happened two times. He woke his

795
00:41:34.119 --> 00:41:37.329
friend up again, but his friend fell back asleep. And

796
00:41:37.349 --> 00:41:40.409
I don't think after that moment in time, there was

797
00:41:40.730 --> 00:41:45.510
any more pounding on the wall. He felt really weird

798
00:41:45.530 --> 00:41:47.190
about it. He didn't want to, he told his friend,

799
00:41:47.210 --> 00:41:51.190
I don't think he told the dad as he just

800
00:41:51.230 --> 00:41:54.469
felt kind of weird about something like that. Cause like,

801
00:41:54.489 --> 00:41:56.929
how do you really, cause this guy's on the property for,

802
00:41:56.949 --> 00:41:59.050
oh man, I don't know, a very long time. So

803
00:41:59.769 --> 00:42:01.909
I don't know what they have or have not seen,

804
00:42:01.949 --> 00:42:03.510
but none of them there are afraid to go into

805
00:42:03.550 --> 00:42:05.809
the woods or anything like that. So I would assume

806
00:42:06.909 --> 00:42:10.320
probably haven't seen much there. but that's the spot where

807
00:42:10.340 --> 00:42:14.139
there's just tons of forest land around there. So God

808
00:42:14.159 --> 00:42:18.239
only knows, but, um, that's his story. Um, and that

809
00:42:18.280 --> 00:42:20.590
kind of really affected him. Cause again, like he physically

810
00:42:20.630 --> 00:42:24.110
saw something, um, didn't know what to make of it.

811
00:42:25.429 --> 00:42:25.769
Oh yeah.

812
00:42:25.809 --> 00:42:29.570
I can only imagine, uh, what is going through his

813
00:42:29.630 --> 00:42:34.079
mind with that. So you mentioned it did his account.

814
00:42:34.179 --> 00:42:35.800
It did have a neck visibly.

815
00:42:37.210 --> 00:42:40.730
Yes. What he drew me, because I was asking him,

816
00:42:40.750 --> 00:42:42.789
because I was thinking, well, maybe it was some kind

817
00:42:42.809 --> 00:42:43.469
of Bigfoot or something.

818
00:42:43.750 --> 00:42:44.090
I don't know.

819
00:42:45.760 --> 00:42:51.340
What he drew looked... I don't know. I have never

820
00:42:51.360 --> 00:42:55.599
locked eyes on anything like this at all. It looked like...

821
00:42:55.599 --> 00:42:57.380
He said it was very thin. It looked very thin

822
00:42:58.119 --> 00:43:01.099
and had a visible neck and an oval head. I

823
00:43:02.800 --> 00:43:05.820
have no idea what to make out of that, but Um,

824
00:43:05.860 --> 00:43:07.980
the picture he drew for, for me made it look

825
00:43:08.019 --> 00:43:11.420
very large. Um, just kind of awkwardly shaped.

826
00:43:12.099 --> 00:43:12.400
Okay.

827
00:43:13.260 --> 00:43:17.920
Um, I would almost say a hundred percent. It was

828
00:43:17.980 --> 00:43:19.699
not a big, that does not sound like a big

829
00:43:19.739 --> 00:43:20.280
foot to me.

830
00:43:20.300 --> 00:43:23.800
Yeah. That's what I was thinking too. And, um, I

831
00:43:23.920 --> 00:43:27.920
know he, he wasn't seeing things. I know that, um,

832
00:43:28.039 --> 00:43:32.070
he's been at this place quite frequently and I've been there, um,

833
00:43:33.409 --> 00:43:35.389
And I believe that night there was pretty, pretty good

834
00:43:35.449 --> 00:43:39.190
moon moonlight. So I don't, I don't see it being,

835
00:43:39.269 --> 00:43:42.610
and also the pounding on the wall. I mean, I

836
00:43:42.630 --> 00:43:44.869
don't know what you could say bear, right? But a

837
00:43:44.909 --> 00:43:48.469
bear is not white. I'll obviously there's, there's bears there

838
00:43:48.610 --> 00:43:50.869
that could maybe hit a house, but that's kind of not,

839
00:43:51.389 --> 00:43:52.750
I would say it more like trying to pry out

840
00:43:52.769 --> 00:43:55.610
a window or a door to get food as opposed

841
00:43:55.630 --> 00:43:57.869
to hitting a wall. It doesn't make any sense to me.

842
00:43:58.489 --> 00:44:01.030
Okay. And I know you're, you don't have the drawing

843
00:44:01.050 --> 00:44:03.090
in front of you. You're trying to, remember it from

844
00:44:03.110 --> 00:44:09.170
memory um did he have any hair on that at all.

845
00:44:10.190 --> 00:44:13.760
I don't think he could make out that okay he

846
00:44:13.780 --> 00:44:18.739
could not make out facial features or or hair or

847
00:44:18.780 --> 00:44:20.579
anything like that it was more of like this the

848
00:44:20.619 --> 00:44:24.980
shape of a human much larger oval head like like

849
00:44:25.000 --> 00:44:27.400
you know you see someone in the dark and you

850
00:44:27.420 --> 00:44:30.840
can make out like their shape you can't see actual

851
00:44:30.900 --> 00:44:33.230
physical characteristics Right.

852
00:44:33.929 --> 00:44:38.530
Have you seen anything in a movie or TV show

853
00:44:38.570 --> 00:44:40.440
that looks similar to what your son drew?

854
00:44:40.460 --> 00:44:45.260
A large alien, maybe, you know, something like that. But

855
00:44:45.820 --> 00:44:50.480
I mean, you know, that sounds weird, right? Like that's

856
00:44:50.519 --> 00:44:52.360
kind of what I would say, like the oval type

857
00:44:52.400 --> 00:44:55.179
head would be like an extremely large alien, which is

858
00:44:55.199 --> 00:44:57.840
just bizarre. That's the way I would have described it.

859
00:44:58.329 --> 00:45:01.130
OK, kind of like you have the cover of communion

860
00:45:01.210 --> 00:45:03.190
or like when you see a drawing of an alien,

861
00:45:03.250 --> 00:45:04.309
that basic alien.

862
00:45:04.349 --> 00:45:08.110
Yeah. Like, you know how you like the gray alien images.

863
00:45:08.150 --> 00:45:10.550
They got a big head and they got on like

864
00:45:10.590 --> 00:45:13.070
small body, like kind of like that, but huge, like

865
00:45:13.090 --> 00:45:13.650
very large.

866
00:45:13.670 --> 00:45:21.670
It's intense. And you said you there hasn't been a

867
00:45:21.710 --> 00:45:24.429
discussion with the owner of the cabin.

868
00:45:25.349 --> 00:45:27.449
No, he's probably not the kind of guy that would

869
00:45:27.489 --> 00:45:29.809
want to discuss that. But also what's funny is my

870
00:45:29.849 --> 00:45:32.469
son was there recently too, probably a month or so back.

871
00:45:32.679 --> 00:45:35.760
And he was there with a couple other guys and

872
00:45:35.780 --> 00:45:38.059
one of them had a dog and they were outside

873
00:45:38.179 --> 00:45:41.699
late at night, probably 10 o'clock one night. All of

874
00:45:41.719 --> 00:45:45.239
a sudden the dog goes ballistic, just starts barking like

875
00:45:45.260 --> 00:45:49.579
crazy and bolts it into the woods. And they spent,

876
00:45:49.880 --> 00:45:52.619
I think, 20 minutes trying to find this dog in

877
00:45:52.639 --> 00:45:55.059
the middle of the, like at 11 o'clock at night.

878
00:45:55.679 --> 00:45:57.110
They finally get the dog back. I don't think the

879
00:45:57.130 --> 00:45:58.929
dog was like whimpering or scared or anything like that,

880
00:45:58.949 --> 00:46:01.090
but they got it back. And he said, it was

881
00:46:01.150 --> 00:46:03.210
so weird. Like no one wanted to talk about it.

882
00:46:03.769 --> 00:46:07.869
Nobody literally sat there and ate in silence. And then

883
00:46:07.889 --> 00:46:10.150
they all went to bed. That's very, really rare for them.

884
00:46:10.170 --> 00:46:13.050
They're kind of like talkative people and they stay up

885
00:46:13.110 --> 00:46:15.679
late and that happened. And then everyone shut up and

886
00:46:15.719 --> 00:46:16.380
just went right to bed.

887
00:46:18.019 --> 00:46:18.480
Okay.

888
00:46:20.860 --> 00:46:23.679
That's extremely interesting. So that was, you said it was

889
00:46:23.719 --> 00:46:24.559
about a month ago.

890
00:46:26.820 --> 00:46:30.219
His actual exciting sighting was in April.

891
00:46:30.639 --> 00:46:32.130
Right, but the dog incident.

892
00:46:32.349 --> 00:46:38.510
Yeah, that would have been in July, man. I believe July.

893
00:46:39.090 --> 00:46:39.710
Okay, July.

894
00:46:39.869 --> 00:46:40.349
Gotcha.

895
00:46:40.650 --> 00:46:40.969
Yeah.

896
00:46:42.309 --> 00:46:49.190
Very, very interesting. Joel, thank you so much for sharing.

897
00:46:49.250 --> 00:46:49.469
Sure.

898
00:46:52.099 --> 00:46:55.260
What what happened to you guys out in forks um

899
00:46:55.739 --> 00:47:00.300
how is everyone um you know we've talked about how

900
00:47:00.340 --> 00:47:05.199
it affected uh your your son um how is everyone

901
00:47:05.320 --> 00:47:07.619
else handling because that's a that's a bit of a

902
00:47:07.639 --> 00:47:09.619
traumatic experience i would say.

903
00:47:09.460 --> 00:47:14.039
Yeah you know it's unfortunate um i mean i fortunately

904
00:47:14.079 --> 00:47:16.429
i didn't see anything and i know Like maybe that

905
00:47:16.510 --> 00:47:19.170
makes me a wimp or something, but I don't want to, like,

906
00:47:19.250 --> 00:47:22.090
I don't have a desire to have that experience.

907
00:47:23.250 --> 00:47:25.429
I love hunting. I don't want that to be taken

908
00:47:25.469 --> 00:47:28.489
away from me. I mean, I, I guarantee you if

909
00:47:28.590 --> 00:47:30.679
I really wanted to, when we were there, if I

910
00:47:30.719 --> 00:47:32.860
would have sat in the living room, I had no

911
00:47:32.920 --> 00:47:34.920
idea when that creature came over to the window, I

912
00:47:35.460 --> 00:47:37.280
would have sat there with the windows up and pitch

913
00:47:37.320 --> 00:47:42.300
blackness and maybe could have seen something. I just, it's

914
00:47:42.320 --> 00:47:45.969
just not, I don't want that. So yeah, that's always

915
00:47:45.989 --> 00:47:47.289
kind of into the back of your mind now.

916
00:47:47.510 --> 00:47:47.730
Right.

917
00:47:48.010 --> 00:47:49.610
Um, and I know we live in, I don't live

918
00:47:49.659 --> 00:47:51.920
in the woods or anything like that, but I go hunting, uh,

919
00:47:53.000 --> 00:47:55.199
you know, of North. So it's kind of one of

920
00:47:55.239 --> 00:47:56.739
those things where it's always in the back of your mind.

921
00:47:56.780 --> 00:47:59.059
My son's definitely more affected because of his, both of

922
00:47:59.079 --> 00:48:02.639
his experience. My wife, my daughter don't probably don't think

923
00:48:02.679 --> 00:48:03.199
about it twice.

924
00:48:04.230 --> 00:48:11.730
Yeah, absolutely. I would, um, it's a lot for your

925
00:48:11.750 --> 00:48:16.679
son to go through, as you know, uh, It hasn't

926
00:48:16.739 --> 00:48:19.730
affected him too much, though. Keep an eye out.

927
00:48:22.510 --> 00:48:24.409
He still likes to go hunting, stuff like that. He's

928
00:48:24.449 --> 00:48:27.150
not too afraid, but like you said, he wanted to

929
00:48:27.190 --> 00:48:32.090
go hunting recently here. I wasn't able to go with.

930
00:48:32.110 --> 00:48:32.969
I'm like, yeah, no.

931
00:48:33.250 --> 00:48:33.530
Sorry.

932
00:48:33.590 --> 00:48:35.949
I'm just not letting it happen. If you're hunting, you're

933
00:48:35.969 --> 00:48:41.079
going to go hunting with me. One of those things,

934
00:48:41.219 --> 00:48:44.920
especially that first time, then also the second time, just

935
00:48:44.940 --> 00:48:48.039
the dog freaking out. It was like, I don't want

936
00:48:48.099 --> 00:48:51.440
you in a place where I can't be there with you, basically.

937
00:48:51.460 --> 00:48:53.659
Yeah, absolutely.

938
00:48:53.679 --> 00:48:54.840
I agree.

939
00:48:55.000 --> 00:49:01.380
Well, Joel, it has been just a very eye-opening conversation. Listeners,

940
00:49:01.559 --> 00:49:05.949
if you've had an experience like this in the Forks area,

941
00:49:06.289 --> 00:49:10.130
and this sounds familiar to you, and maybe you've experienced

942
00:49:10.150 --> 00:49:13.750
something similar, please reach out to me at BigFootSocietyGmail.com. If

943
00:49:13.769 --> 00:49:16.639
you've had an experience like this at any Airbnb or rental,

944
00:49:16.699 --> 00:49:19.090
I'd love to hear it. But Joel, thank you so

945
00:49:19.130 --> 00:49:20.320
much for coming on. the show today.

946
00:49:20.340 --> 00:49:20.460
Sure.

947
00:49:20.480 --> 00:49:23.219
No problem.

948
00:49:23.260 --> 00:49:25.760
Welcome back to another episode of the Bigfoot Society podcast.

949
00:49:25.780 --> 00:49:29.630
I've got the privilege of talking to Kyler here. Kyler

950
00:49:29.670 --> 00:49:35.369
has had an interesting experience happen in his past out

951
00:49:35.429 --> 00:49:39.210
there on the Olympic Peninsula. So we were able to

952
00:49:39.269 --> 00:49:42.849
be connected. I want to say, was it over on TikTok, Kyler?

953
00:49:43.809 --> 00:49:44.929
Yeah, yeah, it was on TikTok.

954
00:49:45.309 --> 00:49:48.489
Yep, absolutely. There's a lot of great connections that happen

955
00:49:48.530 --> 00:49:51.650
over on that platform, which is, you wouldn't think so,

956
00:49:51.750 --> 00:49:55.710
but it's actually fantastic. But thank you so much for

957
00:49:55.730 --> 00:49:58.630
taking some time out of your day, Kyler. I'm very

958
00:49:58.690 --> 00:50:01.750
interested to hear your experience that you had a while

959
00:50:01.809 --> 00:50:04.449
back ago out there on the Olympic Peninsula.

960
00:50:04.869 --> 00:50:06.630
Yeah, absolutely. So this was a number of years ago.

961
00:50:06.670 --> 00:50:11.300
This was back in Uh, 1994, around April 4th. Um,

962
00:50:11.639 --> 00:50:13.940
and that date stuck in my head just because, uh,

963
00:50:14.019 --> 00:50:17.179
on our drive back, uh, from the experience that we

964
00:50:17.219 --> 00:50:20.179
heard over the radio about, uh, Kirkland Baden's passing. And

965
00:50:20.820 --> 00:50:22.420
I was a huge Nirvana fan being a 12 year

966
00:50:22.480 --> 00:50:25.719
old into the grunge scene in that era. So, um,

967
00:50:26.119 --> 00:50:28.019
you know, it was a memorable day. So I was

968
00:50:28.019 --> 00:50:34.989
12 years old back then. Um, so how it all started, um, my, uh,

969
00:50:35.510 --> 00:50:39.449
older sister, was looking to do like a spring break

970
00:50:39.750 --> 00:50:43.250
camping scenario. So she's in her early 20s. She's married.

971
00:50:43.289 --> 00:50:46.369
She has two kids. And there's a few of us

972
00:50:46.800 --> 00:50:50.019
kids in the family that are outdoorsy. And she's one

973
00:50:50.039 --> 00:50:51.559
of them. And my older brother's one of them as well.

974
00:50:52.480 --> 00:50:55.000
And she's like, why don't we go camping? And I

975
00:50:55.480 --> 00:50:57.860
think her husband has been fishing. And he's from the

976
00:50:57.900 --> 00:51:02.469
Forks area. So he's like, well, let's go up there.

977
00:51:02.510 --> 00:51:05.610
And the campgrounds are somewhere on the Ho River. I

978
00:51:05.630 --> 00:51:08.019
don't remember the name. I asked my sister if she

979
00:51:08.039 --> 00:51:11.659
couldn't remember either. But so it was a camping trip.

980
00:51:11.719 --> 00:51:14.340
I had to go up there to Forks and just

981
00:51:14.380 --> 00:51:18.590
hang out and have a good time. And so, you know,

982
00:51:18.719 --> 00:51:23.150
we drive up there and get to the campsite. I

983
00:51:23.170 --> 00:51:25.289
think it's like late morning is when we got there.

984
00:51:25.309 --> 00:51:27.050
It's kind of one of those campsites that, you know,

985
00:51:27.550 --> 00:51:30.530
mixed RV and tent camping. It's a pretty good size.

986
00:51:30.969 --> 00:51:33.070
But we actually drove out kind of towards the end

987
00:51:33.110 --> 00:51:35.550
of it to kind of get away from the majority

988
00:51:35.570 --> 00:51:37.789
of the campers. and, uh, you know, kind of have

989
00:51:37.809 --> 00:51:40.250
a little bit of woods to ourselves, uh, be kind

990
00:51:40.269 --> 00:51:44.610
of nice. But, uh, so we get there and we unpack,

991
00:51:44.889 --> 00:51:49.030
set the tents, set the camp, um, and, uh, you know,

992
00:51:49.219 --> 00:51:54.739
ate some lunch and, uh, it was, uh, it was

993
00:51:54.760 --> 00:51:59.340
about that time and things started to feel a little strange. Um,

994
00:51:59.800 --> 00:52:01.579
you know, when you, and I don't know how to

995
00:52:01.599 --> 00:52:03.480
explain it, but you kind of feel something watching you,

996
00:52:03.619 --> 00:52:07.630
it feels like, um, just that weird, eerie feeling. Nothing,

997
00:52:07.809 --> 00:52:10.730
nothing crazy. Just, you know, like you're in the woods,

998
00:52:10.750 --> 00:52:12.530
you feel like something's walking in. It's just one of

999
00:52:12.550 --> 00:52:15.570
the situations. Um, but, uh, my brother and his, uh,

1000
00:52:15.610 --> 00:52:17.989
girlfriend decided to go for a walk, uh, check out

1001
00:52:18.010 --> 00:52:21.400
some of the campsites and towards the river. And, uh,

1002
00:52:22.840 --> 00:52:28.260
so they left and not long after they left, it, uh, she, uh,

1003
00:52:28.420 --> 00:52:30.860
my brother's girlfriend ended up, uh, like slipping off a

1004
00:52:30.900 --> 00:52:36.360
log or something and spraining her ankle. And, uh, That

1005
00:52:36.380 --> 00:52:38.719
led to a whole scenario. So I can't remember if

1006
00:52:38.760 --> 00:52:41.179
she sprained or she broke it. I know it's, it's

1007
00:52:41.199 --> 00:52:43.840
full up pretty fast and everybody's pretty worried, but, uh,

1008
00:52:46.219 --> 00:52:49.019
what ended up happening is, uh, so my, my niece

1009
00:52:49.059 --> 00:52:53.300
and nephew, they were toddler, like little, little, little kids. And, uh,

1010
00:52:54.179 --> 00:52:57.199
and I was totally old. And, uh, so they get

1011
00:52:57.219 --> 00:52:59.360
back to the camp and they decide that they're all

1012
00:52:59.400 --> 00:53:04.079
going to go and take her to the, uh, leave

1013
00:53:04.099 --> 00:53:08.099
me at the camp. alone with my niece and nephew

1014
00:53:08.820 --> 00:53:14.239
um strange looking back yeah it's really strange i'm not

1015
00:53:14.260 --> 00:53:17.559
sure why that happened but um so they left i

1016
00:53:17.559 --> 00:53:19.440
don't even know where the hospital was but they were

1017
00:53:19.460 --> 00:53:22.039
gone for hours um.

1018
00:53:22.360 --> 00:53:25.539
It was a long time and uh so there i

1019
00:53:25.659 --> 00:53:28.619
am i have you know my niece and nephew there

1020
00:53:28.639 --> 00:53:31.260
so i'm trying to entertain them and uh you know

1021
00:53:31.280 --> 00:53:32.619
this is back in the 90s so there's no.

1022
00:53:36.369 --> 00:53:39.309
With anybody. So I was just kind of there at

1023
00:53:39.329 --> 00:53:43.050
the campground trying to play games with them, reading books,

1024
00:53:43.570 --> 00:53:47.110
you know, playing dirt. And my brother's girlfriend actually brought

1025
00:53:47.130 --> 00:53:52.780
her dog as well. And so, you know, get the

1026
00:53:52.880 --> 00:53:57.840
fire going, you know, and hanging out with the kids or,

1027
00:53:58.760 --> 00:54:03.159
you know, making marshmallows and that kind of thing. And

1028
00:54:03.179 --> 00:54:07.280
I'm still kind of feeling like something's watching me. Um, but, uh,

1029
00:54:08.900 --> 00:54:11.059
you know, shake it off to myself in my head, like,

1030
00:54:11.079 --> 00:54:13.000
Oh no, you're in the woods, you're in the forest,

1031
00:54:13.019 --> 00:54:14.920
you're in a different place. And it's not like I,

1032
00:54:15.380 --> 00:54:16.860
I've never been in the woods. I grew up in

1033
00:54:16.880 --> 00:54:21.840
the woods. So I'm pretty comfortable there, but, uh, and

1034
00:54:21.889 --> 00:54:24.250
it wasn't like a hard time. You feeling like you gotta,

1035
00:54:24.449 --> 00:54:27.710
you know, hide or something. It was just that constant chilling,

1036
00:54:27.730 --> 00:54:33.309
like something was watching me. Um, so, you know, we're there,

1037
00:54:33.329 --> 00:54:39.670
we're hanging out and, uh, The dog was there and

1038
00:54:39.909 --> 00:54:42.269
we leased it and tied the leash off to a

1039
00:54:42.309 --> 00:54:46.349
tree and it started freaking out, just kind of out

1040
00:54:46.369 --> 00:54:51.570
of nowhere. Kind of, you know, when dogs, it's like

1041
00:54:52.110 --> 00:54:53.699
they're so worried they want to bark, but they can't

1042
00:54:53.719 --> 00:54:57.579
really get a bark out. That kind of high-pitched, you know,

1043
00:54:58.179 --> 00:55:01.420
yelling they kind of do when they get scared. And

1044
00:55:02.579 --> 00:55:06.139
then it starts running around the tree. So, I start

1045
00:55:06.159 --> 00:55:09.099
really panicking because I'm like, oh, maybe something is going

1046
00:55:09.179 --> 00:55:13.739
on here. But of course, you know, there's no adult

1047
00:55:13.760 --> 00:55:17.119
there or older person to talk to. And so it's

1048
00:55:17.139 --> 00:55:22.059
just me. So, you know, I end up, you know,

1049
00:55:22.079 --> 00:55:24.980
getting the dog, kind of bring it by me, calming

1050
00:55:25.000 --> 00:55:27.820
it down. And I'm like, well, I got to get

1051
00:55:28.030 --> 00:55:30.309
the kids fed. I'm going to get them in the tent.

1052
00:55:30.329 --> 00:55:33.409
We're safe. And so I just did up some real

1053
00:55:33.429 --> 00:55:36.179
quick dinner right there. Hot dogs over the fire. And

1054
00:55:36.280 --> 00:55:39.619
I got the kids in bed. I sat outside the tent.

1055
00:55:39.639 --> 00:55:43.739
The only thing I could find really as a kind

1056
00:55:43.760 --> 00:55:46.980
of protection device was a steak knife on those old,

1057
00:55:47.500 --> 00:55:53.150
you know, little like six inch wooden handle serrated edge

1058
00:55:53.210 --> 00:55:55.610
steak knife things, you know, from back then. And so

1059
00:55:56.809 --> 00:55:58.929
I got the kids in the tent. I got the

1060
00:55:58.949 --> 00:56:02.969
dog with me. He was still just trembling and I'm

1061
00:56:02.989 --> 00:56:06.909
sitting there with my knife steak knife in front of

1062
00:56:07.250 --> 00:56:10.869
the tenant with the kids in it doing my best

1063
00:56:10.889 --> 00:56:14.210
to kind of stay calm and you know show them

1064
00:56:14.250 --> 00:56:16.480
that I'm not scared because they're little kids you know

1065
00:56:16.500 --> 00:56:21.019
they pick on me and stuff but yeah that's kind

1066
00:56:21.059 --> 00:56:25.980
of how so the beginning of the escalation of the

1067
00:56:26.000 --> 00:56:31.380
situation so here we are few hours later still no

1068
00:56:31.420 --> 00:56:34.760
adults and i'm sitting there in front of them with

1069
00:56:34.780 --> 00:56:36.719
my knife the dog's still freaking out and i really

1070
00:56:36.760 --> 00:56:41.000
start to feel like you know something's happening something's going

1071
00:56:41.119 --> 00:56:46.820
on but um eventually you know my sister her husband

1072
00:56:47.429 --> 00:56:51.170
my brother and his girlfriend return she has her boot

1073
00:56:51.250 --> 00:56:54.110
on and uh you know i kind of tell them

1074
00:56:54.130 --> 00:56:56.570
what's what's going on and they can laugh it off

1075
00:56:56.610 --> 00:57:00.559
like you know you're just in the woods, you're just scared,

1076
00:57:00.820 --> 00:57:03.440
you know, nothing's out here, you're fine. Of course, you know,

1077
00:57:03.900 --> 00:57:05.599
I asked her something, I was like, I grew up here,

1078
00:57:05.920 --> 00:57:10.500
she said, okay, nothing's going on. And my brother kind

1079
00:57:10.519 --> 00:57:14.280
of jumped in, like, well, you know, my girlfriend heard something,

1080
00:57:14.300 --> 00:57:15.659
and that's kind of why she fell off the log,

1081
00:57:15.719 --> 00:57:19.630
and her ankle, and, you know, we did all kind

1082
00:57:19.690 --> 00:57:22.670
of feel something we got here, but, you know, they all...

1083
00:57:23.539 --> 00:57:25.119
ended up just kind of talking themselves out of it

1084
00:57:25.300 --> 00:57:27.000
and trying to talk me out of it. But, you know,

1085
00:57:27.019 --> 00:57:28.599
I still had that feeling. And I can kind of

1086
00:57:28.619 --> 00:57:31.380
tell they did too, whether they wanted to do it

1087
00:57:31.400 --> 00:57:36.860
at that time or not. But, yeah, so they're there.

1088
00:57:37.219 --> 00:57:39.530
We're all hanging out by the fire for a little bit.

1089
00:57:41.210 --> 00:57:43.389
Pretty exhausted because, you know, to get to Forks from

1090
00:57:43.409 --> 00:57:44.730
where we are, it was a bit of, you know,

1091
00:57:44.949 --> 00:57:46.670
early morning drive to get.

1092
00:57:46.590 --> 00:57:47.489
Up there as early as we did.

1093
00:57:47.510 --> 00:57:50.389
It takes some hours. I mean, it takes hours from

1094
00:57:50.409 --> 00:57:53.730
anywhere in Washington to get to Forks. There's no straight way. Because,

1095
00:57:53.769 --> 00:57:56.349
you know, the whole rainforest right there. So you kind

1096
00:57:56.369 --> 00:58:01.389
of got to go around it in either direction. But so,

1097
00:58:01.449 --> 00:58:03.469
you know, we decided to call it a night and

1098
00:58:03.510 --> 00:58:09.170
get in the tent. And, you know, I eventually kind

1099
00:58:09.230 --> 00:58:13.170
of started to fall asleep. And then I felt like

1100
00:58:13.190 --> 00:58:16.989
I just, just fall asleep, just close my eyes. And

1101
00:58:17.010 --> 00:58:21.639
that's kind of when we heard the first loud noise.

1102
00:58:22.900 --> 00:58:26.619
And it's really strange, so I don't know how to

1103
00:58:26.639 --> 00:58:30.590
explain it, really. So it's kind of like a weird,

1104
00:58:30.610 --> 00:58:32.489
I mean, it was high-pitched, but there was also like

1105
00:58:32.510 --> 00:58:35.550
a low-pitched vibration. It's kind of, I don't even know

1106
00:58:35.570 --> 00:58:37.670
how to explain it. It was kind of like a

1107
00:58:38.030 --> 00:58:42.610
mix between like an outline, a woman screaming, and like

1108
00:58:42.650 --> 00:58:45.210
a little rustle of like a bear growl, kind of

1109
00:58:45.309 --> 00:58:50.420
all in one big holler. You know, like there, and

1110
00:58:50.679 --> 00:58:53.329
you're packing that stand up and kind of It drills

1111
00:58:53.349 --> 00:58:58.130
you right to the bone. So when I heard that,

1112
00:58:59.010 --> 00:59:03.989
my first instinct was to kind of lie there and uh,

1113
00:59:05.309 --> 00:59:10.409
I don't play dead, I guess, at that point. Um,

1114
00:59:11.170 --> 00:59:14.880
but then, uh, it happened again. And, uh, that's when

1115
00:59:14.920 --> 00:59:19.280
my sister and her husband sat straight up and, uh,

1116
00:59:20.500 --> 00:59:23.599
you know, my sister's like, you know, we got to go,

1117
00:59:24.699 --> 00:59:29.309
let's get out of here. And, uh, so it wasn't

1118
00:59:29.329 --> 00:59:31.699
only that, like after we set up, like, were quiet

1119
00:59:31.719 --> 00:59:32.960
for a second i was quiet for when you could

1120
00:59:32.980 --> 00:59:39.539
hear what sounded like um some of the thinner like

1121
00:59:40.090 --> 00:59:43.690
small cottonwoods or something like just being snapped and broken

1122
00:59:43.750 --> 00:59:48.030
down like you could hear like little trees falling by

1123
00:59:48.070 --> 00:59:49.929
little i mean they could be 20 feet tall but

1124
00:59:50.329 --> 00:59:53.389
you know skinny trees just being just knocked over which

1125
00:59:53.429 --> 00:59:56.260
was kind of kind of strange and then the holler

1126
00:59:56.320 --> 00:59:59.280
again and so at this point you know my sister's

1127
00:59:59.320 --> 01:00:02.659
grabbing the kids We're all building out a tent. At

1128
01:00:02.699 --> 01:00:05.019
the same time, we end up ours. You know, my

1129
01:00:05.059 --> 01:00:07.659
brother and his girlfriend and their tent ends up being

1130
01:00:07.679 --> 01:00:09.860
theirs as well. Obviously, they had heard what we had heard.

1131
01:00:10.780 --> 01:00:15.829
And it's a mad dash to the car at that point.

1132
01:00:16.809 --> 01:00:18.750
I feel like kind of everything happened at once. Kind

1133
01:00:19.449 --> 01:00:22.090
of a quick blur of the scenario there, just getting

1134
01:00:22.110 --> 01:00:26.289
to the car. There was no stopping to pack up

1135
01:00:26.409 --> 01:00:29.710
or grab backpacks or sleeping bags or anything. It was

1136
01:00:29.730 --> 01:00:34.559
just run to the car. And, uh, we actually, uh,

1137
01:00:35.039 --> 01:00:39.159
get in the car and, you know, we all pile in.

1138
01:00:39.389 --> 01:00:44.519
It's this old yellow, uh, station wagon. And, uh, My

1139
01:00:44.960 --> 01:00:47.219
sister's husband who's in the driver's seat was like, should

1140
01:00:47.239 --> 01:00:50.300
we wait and see what it is? And my sister,

1141
01:00:51.280 --> 01:00:54.340
obviously full of adrenaline, was like, no, get that out

1142
01:00:54.420 --> 01:01:00.610
of here. And so he pulls the order. He pulls out,

1143
01:01:01.070 --> 01:01:05.369
backs up, and we get going. And we round the

1144
01:01:05.409 --> 01:01:08.409
corner from our site into kind of the main camping area.

1145
01:01:09.449 --> 01:01:12.530
And we are now in a line of traffic. You know,

1146
01:01:12.550 --> 01:01:15.840
this is the middle of the night, a full, you know,

1147
01:01:15.980 --> 01:01:23.360
a full campground and everybody's leaving at once. So obviously

1148
01:01:23.400 --> 01:01:25.559
the entire campground had heard what happened and it wasn't

1149
01:01:25.599 --> 01:01:27.610
just people in tents. It was the people in RVs

1150
01:01:28.150 --> 01:01:31.449
leaving their RVs, you know, just in their truck. They're

1151
01:01:31.489 --> 01:01:36.429
going like it was, it was something, it was wild.

1152
01:01:36.690 --> 01:01:39.269
It was just a wild experience. So, We get out

1153
01:01:39.289 --> 01:01:43.590
of there and, you know, driving up to Port Angeles,

1154
01:01:45.090 --> 01:01:47.849
you know, where my sister's husband and my family, so

1155
01:01:47.889 --> 01:01:51.090
we stayed the night there. The next day, of course,

1156
01:01:51.769 --> 01:01:56.170
you know, my brother and my sister's husband went back

1157
01:01:56.469 --> 01:01:58.230
and retrieved, you know, a lot of our camp gear

1158
01:01:58.250 --> 01:02:00.150
and stuff. And it's not like a short drive. It's

1159
01:02:00.210 --> 01:02:05.409
quite a drive from Forks. But, yeah, it was just

1160
01:02:06.010 --> 01:02:08.570
a wild experience in that United States. I can't say

1161
01:02:08.590 --> 01:02:12.210
exactly what it was I heard, but it was nothing

1162
01:02:13.010 --> 01:02:14.150
that I know. And I spent a long time in

1163
01:02:14.170 --> 01:02:16.570
the woods, even up to today. I'm in remote areas.

1164
01:02:17.050 --> 01:02:21.460
I love being outside. I've never felt like that. I've

1165
01:02:21.500 --> 01:02:27.059
never heard anything like that. So, yeah, it was a

1166
01:02:27.739 --> 01:02:28.519
wild experience.

1167
01:02:29.539 --> 01:02:34.090
That is extremely intense. I mean, let's say a.

1168
01:02:36.869 --> 01:02:38.070
Normal....

1169
01:02:38.820 --> 01:02:41.019
I'm trying to think of what other, so you've got

1170
01:02:41.059 --> 01:02:43.289
other animals there. You've got like cougars and stuff like it.

1171
01:02:43.659 --> 01:02:47.159
You hear a cougar noise or cougar scream. That's not

1172
01:02:47.179 --> 01:02:48.940
going to make an entire campground.

1173
01:02:49.559 --> 01:02:50.099
No.

1174
01:02:50.300 --> 01:02:53.400
Get out of there. And I know that sounds something else.

1175
01:02:53.420 --> 01:02:53.880
I've heard that.

1176
01:02:54.440 --> 01:02:55.340
Yeah. Yeah.

1177
01:02:55.510 --> 01:03:01.010
So it's, it was something that's way out of the ordinary.

1178
01:03:02.670 --> 01:03:05.809
And of course, you know, a few years after that,

1179
01:03:05.829 --> 01:03:07.409
you know, there was talk of, oh, it was, you know,

1180
01:03:08.059 --> 01:03:10.929
maybe some sort of animal that was experimented on or

1181
01:03:10.949 --> 01:03:13.070
something like that. You know, all these crazy ideas that

1182
01:03:13.389 --> 01:03:15.489
we're all kind of came up with, but I mean,

1183
01:03:16.070 --> 01:03:19.070
you know, Bigfoot seemed the most possible, you know, plausible

1184
01:03:19.110 --> 01:03:21.769
idea that, you know, I still don't know. I have

1185
01:03:21.809 --> 01:03:22.210
no idea.

1186
01:03:23.010 --> 01:03:23.250
Right.

1187
01:03:23.329 --> 01:03:23.869
Exactly.

1188
01:03:23.969 --> 01:03:28.469
Which, which is wild. But yeah, I mean, out there,

1189
01:03:28.550 --> 01:03:33.980
especially you have so many things that are reported. So the,

1190
01:03:34.239 --> 01:03:37.869
the animal being experimented, was that based on just, you

1191
01:03:37.909 --> 01:03:40.949
guys were using your imagination or is that based on

1192
01:03:40.989 --> 01:03:42.610
something you've actually heard out.

1193
01:03:42.469 --> 01:03:46.679
In that area? My brother said he had heard something

1194
01:03:46.739 --> 01:03:50.800
about it happening up there. So I don't know if

1195
01:03:50.840 --> 01:03:55.400
it's something he was, you know, actually heard or what happened,

1196
01:03:55.420 --> 01:03:57.940
you know, but yeah. Sure.

1197
01:03:58.320 --> 01:03:58.880
Absolutely.

1198
01:04:02.099 --> 01:04:02.420
Yeah.

1199
01:04:02.440 --> 01:04:06.380
The nineties were a different time. I mean, we're, we're

1200
01:04:06.420 --> 01:04:11.920
similar in age, I can tell you that. And listeners

1201
01:04:11.960 --> 01:04:16.280
that are younger will not get how in the 90s,

1202
01:04:16.500 --> 01:04:19.440
I mean, you pretty much, you're a kid, you pretty

1203
01:04:19.480 --> 01:04:21.760
much do whatever you want. You could like go out

1204
01:04:21.780 --> 01:04:22.280
in the woods.

1205
01:04:22.360 --> 01:04:23.320
Oh, yeah.

1206
01:04:23.360 --> 01:04:26.179
Parents don't really care. I mean, and you had no

1207
01:04:26.239 --> 01:04:28.909
cell phone and it was fine, right?

1208
01:04:29.469 --> 01:04:29.820
Right.

1209
01:04:29.840 --> 01:04:32.449
Think of how many times I almost, or so many

1210
01:04:32.489 --> 01:04:35.329
times I almost got in a crazy situation adventures that

1211
01:04:35.349 --> 01:04:36.510
were almost life ending.

1212
01:04:36.809 --> 01:04:37.849
Um, it was wild.

1213
01:04:37.909 --> 01:04:41.449
So listeners need to take that into consideration too.

1214
01:04:42.610 --> 01:04:42.960
Yeah.

1215
01:04:44.400 --> 01:04:48.619
So how was it, or how long was it before

1216
01:04:50.480 --> 01:04:54.860
everyone involved started telling other people what had happened?

1217
01:04:57.179 --> 01:05:01.320
Well, I mean, we talked about it pretty much right away. Okay.

1218
01:05:01.380 --> 01:05:07.159
We're coming back early from camp and, we stayed at

1219
01:05:07.460 --> 01:05:13.300
my sister-in-law's husband's grandparents' house. Obviously, we're telling them all

1220
01:05:13.340 --> 01:05:15.840
about it and why we're showing up in the wee

1221
01:05:15.860 --> 01:05:25.610
hours of the morning with all of us. We talked

1222
01:05:25.630 --> 01:05:30.739
about it pretty quickly. There was no platform to really

1223
01:05:30.760 --> 01:05:34.639
go on and Oh, sure. Absolutely. And find the other

1224
01:05:34.679 --> 01:05:38.239
people in the campground. So I'm really hoping that maybe

1225
01:05:38.260 --> 01:05:41.389
some of your listeners out here have heard a story

1226
01:05:41.510 --> 01:05:44.110
similar to this in the same area, around the same

1227
01:05:44.130 --> 01:05:48.590
time frame, that might be able to come and talk

1228
01:05:48.630 --> 01:05:48.929
about it.

1229
01:05:49.409 --> 01:05:52.010
Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely.

1230
01:05:52.250 --> 01:05:55.110
I hope so. I know it's not just us. Right.

1231
01:05:55.179 --> 01:05:57.920
There are other people there. They might be listening. Who knows?

1232
01:05:57.980 --> 01:06:02.730
But how did the grandparents... react to the story they're

1233
01:06:02.769 --> 01:06:03.670
being told?

1234
01:06:05.860 --> 01:06:10.820
You know, honestly, I kind of just calmed down. Yeah, gotcha.

1235
01:06:11.260 --> 01:06:15.179
The adrenaline wore off. It was a long drive. And

1236
01:06:16.139 --> 01:06:18.219
I was out of it. I was out of it.

1237
01:06:18.429 --> 01:06:21.289
I mean, but really, you talk to, you know, growing up,

1238
01:06:21.530 --> 01:06:23.829
I'm in, you know, the rural parts of Washington, you know,

1239
01:06:23.869 --> 01:06:27.769
just where I lived growing up. And a lot of

1240
01:06:27.849 --> 01:06:30.690
the older people you talk to you know, they know

1241
01:06:30.710 --> 01:06:35.340
someone that, that had, had, you know, an encounter of

1242
01:06:35.380 --> 01:06:38.199
something abnormal out in the forest, whether it was themselves

1243
01:06:38.900 --> 01:06:41.280
or somebody they know. So I don't think, uh, I

1244
01:06:41.280 --> 01:06:43.059
don't think they'd be too surprised.

1245
01:06:44.179 --> 01:06:47.210
Yeah. I, I would not imagine. So, especially if they

1246
01:06:47.289 --> 01:06:56.949
spent years in that area. Um, so obvious, uh, growing

1247
01:06:57.050 --> 01:07:02.280
up after that time period, uh, did that experience affect

1248
01:07:02.340 --> 01:07:05.940
you in any way in your years going through high

1249
01:07:05.980 --> 01:07:07.460
school and then after that?

1250
01:07:09.719 --> 01:07:11.239
Well, you know, it took me a while to get

1251
01:07:11.300 --> 01:07:15.440
back into the woods, you know. You know, I grew up,

1252
01:07:15.480 --> 01:07:18.199
I mean, you know, the woods behind my house and

1253
01:07:18.360 --> 01:07:20.539
I'd just go out there and play all day. And,

1254
01:07:20.579 --> 01:07:24.179
you know, I didn't travel as deep there, you know,

1255
01:07:24.199 --> 01:07:26.940
to the woods for a couple of years. But, yeah,

1256
01:07:27.969 --> 01:07:29.940
it kind of affected me that way. And then, You know,

1257
01:07:29.980 --> 01:07:33.619
as an adult, you know, with kids, you know, I

1258
01:07:33.619 --> 01:07:35.199
feel like I was just kind of maybe a little

1259
01:07:35.300 --> 01:07:37.400
overprotective when I take them on the porch. I still

1260
01:07:37.420 --> 01:07:39.800
take them out because, you know, I want them to

1261
01:07:39.920 --> 01:07:42.800
enjoy nature and love it, you know, and they do. But,

1262
01:07:43.050 --> 01:07:45.510
you know, I think it kind of gave my anxiety

1263
01:07:45.909 --> 01:07:49.010
like a little heightened anxiety. Even to this day when

1264
01:07:49.030 --> 01:07:50.769
I go out, I mean, I'm still out. I go

1265
01:07:50.789 --> 01:07:54.380
rock hunting and mushroom hunting and, you know, the thought

1266
01:07:54.429 --> 01:07:57.460
still crosses my mind. So it just hasn't left.

1267
01:07:59.090 --> 01:08:01.639
Absolutely and obviously i mean you're you're listening to at

1268
01:08:01.659 --> 01:08:06.800
least one uh bigfoot encounter podcast being yours truly so

1269
01:08:06.920 --> 01:08:09.440
it sounds like you you kind of maybe you're even

1270
01:08:09.500 --> 01:08:14.730
trying to to figure things out potential.

1271
01:08:13.150 --> 01:08:16.529
Absolutely i'm always yeah it's you know always looking for

1272
01:08:16.590 --> 01:08:21.569
answers trying to figure out what happened and you know

1273
01:08:21.590 --> 01:08:24.060
it's it's funny i mean you bring up you know

1274
01:08:26.220 --> 01:08:28.960
Forks these days and, you know, people instantly go to

1275
01:08:28.979 --> 01:08:33.010
the Twilight. This is back when, you know, Forks was

1276
01:08:33.050 --> 01:08:35.590
known as a forest town, you know, it's a logging town.

1277
01:08:36.369 --> 01:08:39.189
And they had the burger joint there where you can

1278
01:08:39.210 --> 01:08:42.909
have a big, you know, longer burger and all that stuff. So,

1279
01:08:44.069 --> 01:08:47.569
you know, it's just finding people that are really interested in,

1280
01:08:47.789 --> 01:08:51.300
you know, and have similar situations. I've run across some

1281
01:08:51.340 --> 01:08:55.020
people that, you know, I've heard the screams and or

1282
01:08:55.109 --> 01:08:57.039
the yells or you know whatever you want to call

1283
01:08:57.079 --> 01:09:00.539
it out in the woods It's just nice to talk

1284
01:09:00.560 --> 01:09:02.859
to people that have experienced something like that.

1285
01:09:03.760 --> 01:09:07.659
Absolutely. In your time trying to figure things out, have

1286
01:09:07.699 --> 01:09:12.899
you actually done any research to see if you can

1287
01:09:12.960 --> 01:09:18.649
find similar stories or any... Bigfoot accounts from other people

1288
01:09:18.930 --> 01:09:20.609
that are currently in Forks?

1289
01:09:23.010 --> 01:09:25.010
I haven't reached out to me in Forks. That would

1290
01:09:25.050 --> 01:09:32.600
be a bright idea to do. I've dabbled a little bit.

1291
01:09:32.619 --> 01:09:37.920
I've read some stories. I've watched some channels and just

1292
01:09:37.939 --> 01:09:43.319
kind of hearing stories. It's just because I'm curious. I

1293
01:09:43.350 --> 01:09:45.659
kind of want to know Yeah, I would love to

1294
01:09:45.680 --> 01:09:47.960
know kind of what happened. And I think, you know,

1295
01:09:50.039 --> 01:09:52.760
it'd be cool to kind of maybe talk to somebody

1296
01:09:52.779 --> 01:09:57.510
that kind of works for some time. Maybe even reaching

1297
01:09:57.569 --> 01:10:01.489
out to like the Quillette tribe or something like that

1298
01:10:01.529 --> 01:10:05.569
would be, you know, something I might actually look into

1299
01:10:05.590 --> 01:10:08.479
in the future just to have a conversation and hear

1300
01:10:08.489 --> 01:10:10.600
the history of the land and what was going on

1301
01:10:10.619 --> 01:10:11.119
in that area.

1302
01:10:12.020 --> 01:10:17.090
Yeah, I mean, it really comes down to what connections

1303
01:10:18.010 --> 01:10:21.310
you're able to have and if you have those connections

1304
01:10:21.369 --> 01:10:23.050
in order to try to talk to the right people.

1305
01:10:23.069 --> 01:10:26.689
I know Forks right now has, I mean, Tom Seward

1306
01:10:26.949 --> 01:10:32.289
has a great, right now it's like a Bigfoot gift shop,

1307
01:10:32.590 --> 01:10:36.720
but it's turning, he's opening up a Bigfoot museum as well.

1308
01:10:36.739 --> 01:10:41.779
It should be open very quickly. So that might be

1309
01:10:42.279 --> 01:10:44.329
a good, person to talk to i mean there's still

1310
01:10:44.369 --> 01:10:47.010
stuff that happens in that town today i just had

1311
01:10:47.050 --> 01:10:53.609
an interview with a um individual that had a pretty

1312
01:10:53.710 --> 01:10:58.479
intense experience at an airbnb somewhere in forks uh and

1313
01:10:58.520 --> 01:11:02.600
this was just weeks ago so that one will either

1314
01:11:02.659 --> 01:11:05.699
be out before yours or might even be on the

1315
01:11:05.720 --> 01:11:08.380
same episode we'll see we'll see how i feel editing

1316
01:11:08.420 --> 01:11:12.970
that day but um It's one of the most active

1317
01:11:13.050 --> 01:11:16.390
places in North America, I would say, for Bigfoot experiences

1318
01:11:16.630 --> 01:11:22.130
to this day. So I'm not surprised that you were

1319
01:11:22.189 --> 01:11:26.720
getting those weird vibes and everyone was freaking out a

1320
01:11:26.720 --> 01:11:30.020
little bit. That is not surprising to me at all.

1321
01:11:31.659 --> 01:11:34.060
Yeah, I think the story you were just talking about,

1322
01:11:34.140 --> 01:11:37.500
I think that's kind of what clicked when I was

1323
01:11:37.880 --> 01:11:41.090
strolling through TikTok. I saw that story. had a comment

1324
01:11:41.750 --> 01:11:44.270
because you know that's the area that's the place that

1325
01:11:44.310 --> 01:11:47.810
sounds pretty similar to uh to my experience you know

1326
01:11:47.829 --> 01:11:53.479
all those years ago so um yeah absolutely and you

1327
01:11:53.489 --> 01:11:55.380
know that you know forks being you know where it

1328
01:11:55.479 --> 01:11:57.880
is it's kind of you know it's isolated out there

1329
01:11:57.899 --> 01:12:00.880
there's not a lot you know on the west coast

1330
01:12:01.640 --> 01:12:03.600
of washington once you you know start in that you

1331
01:12:03.640 --> 01:12:06.300
know that road and it's kind of like the only

1332
01:12:06.319 --> 01:12:09.659
town so i could see like that's where you would

1333
01:12:09.699 --> 01:12:12.569
have experiences next to the rainforest, unless you're in the rainforest,

1334
01:12:12.590 --> 01:12:16.069
you know, obviously we've got more experiences, but. Oh, for sure.

1335
01:12:16.210 --> 01:12:17.390
Yeah, absolutely.

1336
01:12:17.670 --> 01:12:21.109
You know, a population out there. I could see, see

1337
01:12:21.130 --> 01:12:22.630
why that'd be kind of a hotspot.

1338
01:12:24.760 --> 01:12:28.199
A hundred percent. I hope that you are able to,

1339
01:12:29.239 --> 01:12:35.229
to maybe find some answers to this. Well, I would,

1340
01:12:35.270 --> 01:12:41.840
I would guess if, if, listeners have information, definitely leave

1341
01:12:41.880 --> 01:12:48.699
it in the comments on YouTube. Is it a thing

1342
01:12:48.720 --> 01:12:50.859
where you would want people to reach out to you

1343
01:12:51.000 --> 01:12:53.090
or you'll keep an eye on the YouTube comments?

1344
01:12:54.779 --> 01:12:59.369
Oh, yeah, they can reach out. I have my little

1345
01:12:59.390 --> 01:13:04.229
YouTube channel. It's Beneath the Surface with Kyler. It's going

1346
01:13:04.270 --> 01:13:07.390
to be exploring local places, just talking about history and geology.

1347
01:13:08.279 --> 01:13:10.159
and that kind of stuff but um no i'd love

1348
01:13:10.180 --> 01:13:12.890
to hear from anybody if they can you know reach

1349
01:13:12.949 --> 01:13:15.470
out that's great and also on instagram as well under

1350
01:13:15.789 --> 01:13:22.390
kubi underscore potions so um it's kind of a outdoorsy

1351
01:13:22.470 --> 01:13:24.720
adult beverage flash page.

1352
01:13:25.100 --> 01:13:30.699
Nice awesome yeah yeah i will have those for sure

1353
01:13:30.739 --> 01:13:33.100
people can check those out and and reach out to

1354
01:13:33.140 --> 01:13:37.840
you and of course uh Any listeners, feel free to

1355
01:13:37.939 --> 01:13:42.319
reach out to myself as well, bigfootsociety at gmail.com.

1356
01:13:42.920 --> 01:13:45.229
But Kyler, thank you so much for coming on the

1357
01:13:45.270 --> 01:13:49.109
show and sharing what you experienced back in the 90s

1358
01:13:50.250 --> 01:13:55.369
in Forks, Washington, how that affected not only your party,

1359
01:13:55.430 --> 01:13:58.880
but also the entire campground. I appreciate you coming on today.

1360
01:14:00.100 --> 01:14:01.739
Well, Jeremiah, thanks for having me on and letting me

1361
01:14:01.760 --> 01:14:03.399
tell my story. This has been great. Thank you.

1362
01:14:05.680 --> 01:14:08.329
A special thanks to both Joel and Kyler for coming

1363
01:14:08.369 --> 01:14:10.989
on the show today. If you've had a Bigfoot encounter

1364
01:14:11.210 --> 01:14:13.069
of your own, I would love to hear from you.

1365
01:14:13.109 --> 01:14:16.569
You can send me an email with your encounter at

1366
01:14:16.710 --> 01:14:21.100
bigfootsociety at gmail.com. I've come out with a free report

1367
01:14:21.260 --> 01:14:25.199
about the top 10 Bigfoot hotspots. You can go over

1368
01:14:25.260 --> 01:14:31.479
to bit.ly forward slash BFS report. I'm Jeremiah Byron. Thanks

1369
01:14:31.520 --> 01:14:33.710
for listening to Bigfoot Society, and I'll see you in

1370
01:14:33.729 --> 01:14:34.090
the woods.