Dec. 13, 2024

A Retaliatory Act of Intimidation | Marsha Clarke, BFRO

In this episode of Bigfoot Society, host Jeremiah Byron welcomes back Marsha Clarke from the BFRO to discuss her recent Bigfoot expedition findings. Marsha recounts various remarkable encounters and scientific observations, including experiences with...

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Season 1

In this episode of Bigfoot Society, host Jeremiah Byron welcomes back Marsha Clarke from the BFRO to discuss her recent Bigfoot expedition findings. Marsha recounts various remarkable encounters and scientific observations, including experiences with infrasound detection and its potential use by Sasquatches for communication. From an aggressive encounter in Ohio to eerie occurrences in Tennessee, Marsha shares detailed stories and insights into the advanced tools and methods used in her investigations. This episode digs deep into the mysteries of Bigfoot behavior and the ongoing quest for answers.

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All right, Big for Society've got the privilege of talking

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to Marsha Clark again. You may remember Marsha from I

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think it is less than a year ago, but it

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was a great episode. Marsha's from the BFRO and she

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shared some incredible things that happened on expeditions, and I

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remember saying, marsh if anything else cool happens in the future,

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reach out, and Marsha reached out quicker than I thought.

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But there's been some really interesting things that have happened

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in just the last half a year or less than

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a year on BFRO expeditions. Marsha's going to share all

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about it. But Marsha, it's a pleasure to have you

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back on the show again.

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Thank you. Jeremiah.

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As I said, we come across some interesting events, things

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that I think would capture people's or the public's interest.

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We want to share that.

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We want to get that out there real quick, just

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so listeners can catch up a little background. I'm retired

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from the I States Marine Corps, retired xCE on mobile

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Field Geologists, and now I spend full time doing research

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and investigations on the field. This year I've done eight

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expeditions with the public and for private where I personally

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will take our group of for the six people out

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just researching to see if it's a potential viable expedition

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site for BFR in the future real quick. I got

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into this a long time ago. Nineteen eighty four, I

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was a young lance corporal in the Marine Corps and

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we went to Bridgeport Marine Corps cold weather training facility

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up in the Sierra Mountains in California, and came my

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turn to staned guard duty and Rine Corps. We call

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it my firewatch, and the sergeant guards sets me out

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to stand my post, and I'm standing on a wood palette,

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about four inches of snow on the ground, And after

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about twenty thirty minutes, just something made me turn around

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and look over to my right, and at about thirty

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five feet away, out from behind this very large tree,

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stepped out an adult nail bigfoot. We locked eyes for

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a good six seven Mississippis M sixteen in my hand.

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I kept telling myself that looks human, but it's naked

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with a lot of fur. And I couldn't flick the

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selection switch on I am sixteen. I just couldn't. I

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couldn't of think to do that. And as quick as

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it came, it stepped behind the tree and was gone.

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That started a quest that had always been in the

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back of my mind for a long time. I went

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throughout my career in the Marine Corps always knowing that

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there was something there, and later on went to school,

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got my master's degree, was out in the field doing mapping,

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and I would have these encounters like in Montana and

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northern California and Idaho that by today's standard we'd call

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them B and C. Encounters, something sleeping next to my tent,

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something jostling all the pots and pans, something on two

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feet walking by me. I just really didn't make the

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connection until I started participating in the community blue.

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Pages for the BFRO.

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That would have been two thousand and nine and ten,

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and I started to get a feel for, Wow, what

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had I been experiencing all this time?

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So I would have go out my own and because

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at first I.

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Was a little hesitant, and I'd go out my own

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and I look around, punk around, and got involved with

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some friends that were with the Rocky Mountain Sasquatch Organization,

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and then later moved to the East Coast and physically

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became involved with the BFRO. It was on initial BFRO

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expeditions where I'd had some very unique encounters, had a

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class A with them as well. At first I was

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touched through my tent, and that has convinced me that

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this is something real, it's physical, and I just I

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had I have to have the answer to this. I

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have to resolve within me what is the truth. And

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so that's what I've been following ever since then. If

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you recall our last discussion, I was sharing an episode

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of in the Mountains and Tennessee. Being alone in a

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very large wilderness area, the rangers gone, the house gone,

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and having a squatch or multiple ones in my campsite.

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They were tripping alarm. They'd break it off, they put

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the pin back in it, and they basically manipulated the

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whole situation. They had that level of intellect. They knew

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how to draw me out of my camp. They knew

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what I was listening for. They knew a tree, a

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snap of a branch would pull me out. So that

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just just for the fire for me. Lately, though, I've

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had others come to me and they talk about the

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paranormal or they talk about the wu faction.

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I really didn't put too much to that.

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I'm a hard nosed scientist, trained meteorologists and geologists, and

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I got to have something reproducible in the laboratory. I

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need the hard data. I've started recording EMF and EMR

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along with infrasound. I have my own portable sound spectrum analyzer.

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I can go out and if I hear a sound,

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I can look visually on a meter and tell you

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what hurts it is. And if it's something that's in

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that low range, I can record it, etc. And so

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there's been a few occasions where I've heard or have

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been able to record infrasound no physical effect, one in

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a group, and then within just a few moments a

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tree knock or heavy footsteps, rock throwing. So it was

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like a precursor or an indicator that there was something

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in the area. That hasn't been true all the time,

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but on four of eight occasions it has proven accurate.

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So I'm still trying to refine that.

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That is amazing, Marcia. So you're saying pretty much you're likeness.

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I'm trying to wrap my mind around that. Is this

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just a product that people can buy off the shelves

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or did you put this together yourself?

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No, it's something I've put together for myself. I have

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a couple of friends that are electrical engineers. I'm a

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licensed to a technical engineer, but I have a couple

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of friends that are electrical engineers, and I said, this

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is what I want to do. I want to be

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able to visually see on a screen of sound as

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trans submitted from anywhere from zero to twenty thousand hurts,

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and I want to be able to measure it. I

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want to be able to record it and okay, no problem.

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So basically just a DC powered or battery powered spectrum

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analyzer is what it came to. It fits in a

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small backpack. I also have a signal generator where I

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can create a tone if I want to in the infrasound,

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And like I shared previously, I don't recommend that to anyone.

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The first time and only time I've done that, I

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was bluff charged, and so until I get a better

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handle on that, I recommend others not doing that. But yeah,

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it fits in a backpack. I can carry it with me,

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set it down. It's got a rechargeable battery bank to it,

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and I can watch the screen and I can see,

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for example, if an aircraft's going by, or if people

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are talking, or if there's some silent electronic signal, say

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within the utility line that they use for leak detection.

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I can tell what hurts that is and say, okay,

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it's fourenty and twenty that's the utility line, that's the

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alarm system in underground utility, or if I see something

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at ten thousand, or if I anything along those lines.

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But it's become a very useful tool. I haven't perfected

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any of this yet. I've been working on this now

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for about a year, but there has been limited success.

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I'm beginning to see that after I did some interviews

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with some large mammal scientists at the local zoo here,

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all those PhD people educating me on the use of

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infrasound and how animals communicate, et cetera. And then speaking

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to two E and T your those throat doctors at

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the VA Hospital and one at the University South Carolina

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Medical about how the inner ear works, specifically when hits

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a certain wavelength of sound to it, and so understanding

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that it's probably not juveniles that use infrasound, and it's

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not all adults who can do it in the sasquash community.

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They have to have a certain length focal cored, a

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certain size voice box, they have to have a certain

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lung capacity, and it could even depend upon the atmosphere

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pressure and humidity as well. And then with a human

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being able to hear it or be able to respond

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to it, even if it's just physically, they have to

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have a certain tolerance within their ear drum to a

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particular frequency. Not all humans will react to it, some

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of them. It's just reaction that they'll never sense. With

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some people that are hypersensitive to it, and if a

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sound comes towards them, that's eight point five ten Hurtz

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eleven point five. All of a sudden, they will feel it.

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They will feel it physically, some people they won't. So

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it all depends each person is each human is distinctly

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individual in these sasquatches, distinctly individualized. But however, it's probably

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adults that are capable of doing that, at least so far.

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That's what's been shared with me in the with large mammals,

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with those interviewing those two PhD folks, that it's the

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adults that use that. It's not small young young ones, juveniles.

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It's only the adults, and it's not all adults. You'll

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have one tiger who can do it, or one whale

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that can do it, but maybe others won't. And so

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I've just been applying that data and trying it out

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in the field. Like I said, out of eight situations

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where I've had the meter set up perfect, where the

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weather was perfect, people around me to witness it the time,

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four out of eight of those times I was able

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to detect infrasound before the squatch made itself physically known

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to us, which leads me to the scene that perhaps

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they're using it more often than what we are aware of.

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They could be using it as a form of communication

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between themselves, or for example, the older dominant male of

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a clan or pod could be calling the kids, Hey, mom,

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it's time for dinner or whatever. I mean that jokingly,

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but this could be their way of communicating the parts

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of the clan don't know. It needs a lot more work,

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a lot more data, but it seems to be a

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pretty positive direction with that.

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I feel like this is this could it either is

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or it will lead to Like how we've been I

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feel like we've been wanting a big breakthrough and this

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is the way to know, to actually know if there's

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an adult sasquatch in the area. Now, it can't juveniles.

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It sounds like, probably don't use infrasound, but if there's

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an adult sasquatch, you can know it's actually there. That's amazing,

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exactly exactly.

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Again, it's not proven.

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It's just four out of eight times when I've been

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able to set up the equipment and had optimum conditions,

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it's proven successful. Fifty percent of the time so far,

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I just keep at it, I keep working at it,

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and there could be a paper down the road for

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me to submit. But right now that's where it seems

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unleading me. I have also detected since our last discussion,

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we had some unique experiences and they also involved infrasound

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and how it was deployed on an expedition in Ohio.

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The expeditions, I should back up and say that the

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expeditions I participate in are generally south of the Pennsylvania

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border and on both sides of the Appalachia Mountains all

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the way to Georgia, and I pretty much consider that

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my study area. A latest expedition Ohio, one of our

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very popular ones. We get a lot of results out there,

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a lot of interaction if that's something you ever decided

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someone would want to do as soon as to see

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those things notified to the public, get your paperwork in

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because it feels quite rapidly anyhow, taken out a group

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of people on night ops and myself and another investigator

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came up with a strategy we wanted to try. You

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got to remember the BFR has a duel mission. One

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is public awareness, but the other one is collecting data

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and so we came up with a plan where we

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know we've had interaction in the past multiple times, and

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we purposely set a group right there and made a

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small base camp, and my other field partner, investigator, she

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would circle out at about a half mile and she

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would call blast different previously recorded suspected saspart sounds, and

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we did that for a couple hours and then we

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put everything quiet, lo and behold.

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About a half hour later, this is about midnight. We

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made sure we were a cold, no fire, small little

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base camp right there.

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Big for society who will be right back after these messages.

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Had ten people with me, a very large group, but

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that was planned. And so we started hearing footsteps at

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about thirty thirty five yards on a small knoll that

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was about forty by fifty yards inside and at the top.

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The knoll was no more than eight to nine feet tall.

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So I had this little mound covered with dense trees,

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and also we could hear bipedal footprints in and out

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of the ground.

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Clutter.

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Okay, this is getting favorable. So I deployed two people

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out to the east about one hundred yards, had them

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set their chairs up and have white headlamps but not

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turn them on, and so these footsteps still continued back

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and forth. We heard some grunts, some heavy breathing. Okay,

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this is really favorable, so real quick, I deployed six

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people to my west and they slowly circled out behind

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this knoll. I think you here, I'm going with this

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setting up. Any marine would recognize it. We're setting up

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an ambush and set people space themselves apart. The hominids

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was still pacing back and forth. That was getting more excited.

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The grunts are coming more often. We can hear hissing.

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It sounded like had beat me his fist against tree.

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All sudden we spotted on two different fleers, got great

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flear video of it, and we got audio recorders going.

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And this thing is starting. This homonid now starting to panic.

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We hear it running back and forth, it's hissing, it's growling,

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and we haven't totally surrounded in an area a little

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bit smaller than half of the football field at that time.

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Once we had it surrounded, the two people that are

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out to my right that we're seeing the chairs, I

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told him turn on you white headlamps and start walking

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towards the middle of the knoll, we're gonna flush this

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thing out. So we executed the encirclement and we're gonna

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flush it out. And just as they started walking in

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with white headlamps, the guy standing next to me offerating

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the Flear starts saying, marsha, I hear something saying hey, hey, hey, hey,

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what do you mean?

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I just hear it? Do you hear it? And I

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said no.

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The hair went back, went up in the back of

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my neck, on my arms, and something told me that

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this wasn't right. I called everyone in. I said, everyone

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for them up a circle. Let the squatch pass. It

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was probably six feet not quite six and a half

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when we went back to measure in the daylight the

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next morning. We let it pass, so it ran. In retrospect.

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We learned that was probably not a smart thing to

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do to encircle and entrap a young Sasquatch. I hope

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none of the listeners out there attempt to do that.

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So this was a Saturday night. We got everyone back

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to our little temporary base camp and we all congratulate

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each other. We all reviewing the Flear footage. We can

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see the conical shape of the head. We can see

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the fur we had great images in the fleer and so,

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but the floorest was just dead quiet, not a cricket,

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not a frog, not a bird, nothing.

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So we stayed for.

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About another half hour and it got late, and so

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let's go back to base camp. Everyone has to pack

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out in the morning because at nine o'clock is when

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the expedition is officially over. So we go back to

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base camp. And the general rule of thumb is at

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that particular expedition where we set up at we have

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consistent interactions at night between two and six in the

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morning with the young juveniles. There two, three, four of them.

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They typically run through camp. They joshill ice chest. They'll

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stand by your tent and push on the sides. It's

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pretty common, pretty innocuous, nothing harmful, nothing aggressive. But as

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teenagers exploring and so, we learned to expect that's going

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to happen. But that particular night, nothing occurred. Completely dead quiet,

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not an owl, not a frog the entire night. Myself

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and four other investigators. We typically will rent the group

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camp area for another day or two beyond the expedition

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because we want to see what happens after the main

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group leaves. We want to see what transpires so we

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help people get packed and leave, and we do a cleanup,

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and we wanted to look nice. We don't want rangers.

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I think that we're leaving a mess behind, and so

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we do that. We go get lunch and come back.

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Now it's about six o'clock. We run over real quick

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where we had the encounter the night before. We take

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some quick measurements to a reenactment. We placed someone next

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to this one tree that there's a definite branch, and

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we've got a measurement.

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And et cetera.

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So we get back that's about all quarter seven, and

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we're talking about maybe ordering food later and finding convenience

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spot to go pick it up. There's five of us

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and one of the people in our group. She decides

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to walk back towards her tent, walk past the pit

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toilets about all good hundred one hundred and ten yards away,

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just slightly around the corner. Now it's still daylight out

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and she comes walking back and she's here something paralleling

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her in the tree line. This is really an uncommon

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behavior there. We never have action during the day, especially

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in your base camp. But she walks up, she visits

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the pit toilet and she's doing her business and she

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can hear something behind the facility is actually touching the

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wood of the pit toilet. And she finishes her business

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and she comes out. She looks over her left shoulder.

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There's a large male black fur squatch, taller than the

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pit toilet building wider, standing there. She sees him. He

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immediately goes to all fours. We suspect he's going to pounce.

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She goes running and screaming up the hill towards the

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other the rest of us screaming what she just saw.

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Three of us we go walking down towards that pit toilet.

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We want to see what the.

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Heck scared her, and so we can hear something moving

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in the tree line. It's heavy. The force there is

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dense and we can hear it. It sounds this wheezing

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sound like a cross wheezing and a donkey brain, so

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to speak.

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But it's heavy. We don't see anythings.

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We go back up to this little plateau area where

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some of us are camped, and we made the decision

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that this behavior was very aggressive. To have an adult

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come out during the day to stalk and potentially pounce

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on someone that wasn't behavior that was common. So we

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decided to put our tear drop trailers in tents and

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whatnot in a circle on this little plateau area and

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wait the night out and see what would happen.

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So we did.

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It got dark, we would hear thumps in the forest.

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It would sound like someone was taking a large excavator

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and slamming a bucket into the ground, and you would

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hear and feel this loud boom, and it would happen

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on multiple sides. We would hear an owl, the oddest,

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weirdest owl caols you can imagine, along with tree knocks

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all around us all night. One of the investigators, she

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didn't live too far from there. She had to be

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work at nine in the morning on Monday morning, so

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we had to get her out of there by five.

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So we adopted the plan that no one goes anywhere

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by themselves. Because the BFRO expedition was over with, we

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all armed up, obviously, and so we didn't let anyone

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be by themselves, and so we all woke up about

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five in the morning. We got this other investigator packed up,

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her tent folded up, got her in her car, and

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another investigator followed her out. So they left, et cetera.

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They didn't encounter anything on the drive out, and so

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the rest of us we're going to it's still dark out.

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We're going to go back to sleep. So I'm the

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only one in the tent. The others are any these

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small tear drop trailers. And it's about an hour later,

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maybe fifteen minutes later.

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The moon is quite bright.

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I can see anything that would cast a shadow back

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in my tent. It would come up really bright and

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lit my hold. I hear something very heavy out to

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the right, and I see a shadow pass by the

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back of my tent.

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Now that back of my tent.

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I sleep in an eight foot by sixteen foot tent

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that's seven foot four in the center, and I did

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it so that the edge would be right at the

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lip of the downgrade. There's this minor road behind my

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tent that's two and a half feet down. So whatever

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walk back behind my tent casting a shadow that went

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over my tent. You figure there's almost ten foot of

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elevation change it cast a shadow. I waited a little

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bit longer. I clicked on my radio. Hey guys, I

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got shadows behind my tent. And they open their doors

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and they're looking out. They're trying to say a thing

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of film something or something there. Okay, they go back

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in their trailers. Half hour later, same shadow returns and

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I see a hand pushing against the long side of

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the back of the tent, and they're walking as they

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run their hand across the full length of my tent.

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At that point, I'm on the radio. Guys, that's right here,

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is pushing through my tent. You got to see something.

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One of them that was covering the other side of

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my tent, at least visually. He was totally asleep, and

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we found footprints. We heard it going through the brush.

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But these are obvious signs of very aggressive behavior. And

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so soon it got daylight. Even though we had that

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group campsite rented for another night, we thought the better

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part of valor was to leave and hindsight and furnt

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of the discussions in me this may have been a

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retaliation by the rental or the dad or mom or whatever,

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the juvenile that we had encountered and then trapped for

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a brief period of time that Saturday night. Very strongly possibility,

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that's what this was. This was a retaliatory act of intimidation,

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and it was specified against those of us that were

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there Saturday night. A few observations from that. They recognized

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who we were, they were able to distinguish us from

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other humans, and it acted in a very forceful manner.

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No juveniles, all adults, and that was a pretty good

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learning experience.

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I would agree with you that I'd almost put money

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on it. That was a retaliatory, a move based on

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how you guys really not on. You weren't didn't have

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anything bad by meaning anything bad by it, but you

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had that juvenile surrounded. That's an incredible weekend. How big

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were the footprints that you guys saw approximately?

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Okay, the footprint for the juvenile or for the adult.

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For the adult, I guess, oh, we do both, but

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I'm curious more.

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Okay, for the adult. In behind the pit toilet, there's

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two of them. Where it had a pitched roof. The

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back end of the pitched roof was eight and a

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half feet, where the front part of the pitch roof

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was almost ten It was nine ten inches. And the

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investigator came out of the pit toilet, looked over the shoulder,

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and the top of the head was higher than the

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pit toilet in that specific area. Even though the leaves

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were wet and dry leaves and wet leaves on top

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of a hard surface. However, you could see where it

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had been disturbed, and they would have been anywhere between

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sixteen and eighteen inches in length, and where it ducked

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down into the tree line and further down the slope

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there were actual slide marks that were probably two or

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three feet long going down the slope. Now for the juvenile,

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where we did where we were looking at the trees,

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where the flear showed their head equal with a particular

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branch or whatever, we did find one footprint and it

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was ten and a half inches long.

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It's extremely interesting. Okay, so yeah, the sixteen that's about

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00:29:28.960 --> 00:29:31.759
the size that we found out in Oregon this summer.

459
00:29:31.839 --> 00:29:32.920
That's really interesting.

460
00:29:33.200 --> 00:29:33.400
Yeah.

461
00:29:33.640 --> 00:29:37.480
Did you were you able to use your the spectral

462
00:29:37.599 --> 00:29:39.759
analyzer tool at all that weekend?

463
00:29:39.839 --> 00:29:40.039
Yeah?

464
00:29:40.400 --> 00:29:43.839
Just by coincidence. When that investigator came running up away

465
00:29:43.839 --> 00:29:46.960
from the pit toilet, you can tell she's obviously in shock.

466
00:29:47.720 --> 00:29:50.519
There was grouf of sitting in a small circle, and

467
00:29:50.920 --> 00:29:54.559
I had all my equipment spread out set up, and

468
00:29:54.599 --> 00:29:59.559
when myself and twoe of investigators started walking towards her,

469
00:30:00.880 --> 00:30:04.319
the other person sitting there said, all the equipment. White

470
00:30:04.319 --> 00:30:07.279
line are red lined, and some of them the screens

471
00:30:07.279 --> 00:30:10.480
went totally white, just off the scale.

472
00:30:11.759 --> 00:30:14.519
Big for Society will be right back after these messages.

473
00:30:31.039 --> 00:30:39.279
Now, on the spectrum analyzer, we recorded two infrasound traces,

474
00:30:40.759 --> 00:30:43.440
one at eight point five hurts in the other at

475
00:30:43.480 --> 00:30:50.720
eleven herts, and they alternated, so something would sound or

476
00:30:50.720 --> 00:30:53.400
broadcast at eight point five and then there would be

477
00:30:53.440 --> 00:30:58.759
a response at eleven eight point five and a response

478
00:30:58.799 --> 00:31:03.839
at eleven and that continued throughout most of the night, where

479
00:31:04.400 --> 00:31:07.839
it's my assumption that two of them were communicating two

480
00:31:07.920 --> 00:31:13.119
different wavelengths back and forth between us. Now, we did

481
00:31:13.160 --> 00:31:16.640
have one of the investigators feel slight vertico upset stomach,

482
00:31:16.680 --> 00:31:19.359
a little bit of nausea that could have been a

483
00:31:19.400 --> 00:31:24.559
slight zapping effect, probably hypersensitive to one of those frequency ranges.

484
00:31:25.960 --> 00:31:28.519
But it was rather obvious in the trace that I

485
00:31:28.599 --> 00:31:34.160
recorded that there were two distinct, distinct sources of infrasound

486
00:31:34.759 --> 00:31:39.000
that were alternating back and forth, one from the north

487
00:31:39.359 --> 00:31:43.400
and one from the southwest. And so that was really

488
00:31:43.519 --> 00:31:47.799
unique to have had that because I have had recordings

489
00:31:48.559 --> 00:31:51.480
where I'm sitting on night ops and having the person

490
00:31:51.519 --> 00:31:55.119
sitting to my right about a foot away, and we're

491
00:31:55.119 --> 00:32:01.880
fleering a squatch at about thirty yards squash zap. The

492
00:32:01.960 --> 00:32:05.079
guy sitting next to me to my right, I felt nothing,

493
00:32:05.759 --> 00:32:08.880
and I have all my meters out and I'm being

494
00:32:08.880 --> 00:32:13.160
able to detect that EMF was at about seventy micro

495
00:32:13.200 --> 00:32:17.319
tesla EMR. We were talking between zero point eight and

496
00:32:17.400 --> 00:32:21.759
point nine micro svils and you're seeing ten point two

497
00:32:21.960 --> 00:32:25.359
five hurts and you're seeing all this happen. And the

498
00:32:25.359 --> 00:32:29.119
guy next to me, he's vomiting, his eyes are dilated,

499
00:32:29.880 --> 00:32:32.359
he can't even sit straight in the cherries, falling to

500
00:32:32.440 --> 00:32:35.480
the ground because he's been zapped so hard. But it

501
00:32:35.519 --> 00:32:42.440
didn't affect anyone. So that data, I thought was extremely

502
00:32:42.480 --> 00:32:46.319
important in helping me narrow what the heck's going on.

503
00:32:46.960 --> 00:32:49.839
It's so fascinating. It's like you could almost if you

504
00:32:50.079 --> 00:32:53.279
keep getting all this data, you could almost make a

505
00:32:53.440 --> 00:32:56.960
data bank or data set of what type of infrasound

506
00:32:57.039 --> 00:33:00.160
is used in certain situations.

507
00:33:00.319 --> 00:33:05.599
Exactly, or if anything. Imagine having a little detector on

508
00:33:06.119 --> 00:33:09.039
the side of your backpack that when it flashes red

509
00:33:09.200 --> 00:33:13.240
a census infrasound. Perhaps there's a squashneer you within seventy

510
00:33:13.279 --> 00:33:16.960
five hundred yards, even though the range could whales can

511
00:33:17.000 --> 00:33:23.000
communicate over miles. Right now, I'm just working with terrestrial

512
00:33:23.279 --> 00:33:26.200
level hominids. I don't want to try to deal with

513
00:33:26.200 --> 00:33:30.319
a whale. But yeah, it's an ongoing project I'm working on.

514
00:33:31.200 --> 00:33:31.960
There are other.

515
00:33:31.839 --> 00:33:35.559
Things that For example, we came back to that area,

516
00:33:36.319 --> 00:33:40.200
myself and those same investigators because we wanted to duplicate

517
00:33:40.599 --> 00:33:44.200
in the controlled setting what we were seeing, because you've

518
00:33:44.200 --> 00:33:46.559
got to remember the scientific method to be able to

519
00:33:46.559 --> 00:33:48.640
reproduce the same effects.

520
00:33:49.119 --> 00:33:50.960
And so we went back.

521
00:33:52.279 --> 00:33:56.759
First night, a little bit of juvenile action, the second night,

522
00:33:57.279 --> 00:34:00.680
no juveniles. All of a sudden, it's like the adults

523
00:34:00.720 --> 00:34:07.599
recognize who's there. And now the interaction I can't explain

524
00:34:07.720 --> 00:34:12.840
some of it. We have our tents and trailers set

525
00:34:12.920 --> 00:34:16.199
up that each person can watch another, so I can

526
00:34:16.280 --> 00:34:18.920
see the people down below me, the people behind me

527
00:34:19.119 --> 00:34:22.440
can see me, and we all have radios on. We

528
00:34:22.519 --> 00:34:25.559
intentionally go to bed at like midnight, and we stay awake,

529
00:34:25.719 --> 00:34:31.000
and all of a sudden, our radios stop working. The

530
00:34:31.079 --> 00:34:34.440
screens just start flashing, even though they're fully charged. They

531
00:34:34.480 --> 00:34:39.679
start flashing. My equipment, my EMR data, my EMF, those

532
00:34:39.840 --> 00:34:44.360
meters died. Others observing my tent saw small white orbs

533
00:34:44.760 --> 00:34:47.239
buzzing my tent for a good two or three minutes,

534
00:34:47.760 --> 00:34:51.000
and it looked like someone was walking in the forest

535
00:34:51.000 --> 00:34:54.760
with a flashlight. And then it would go away now

536
00:34:54.920 --> 00:34:57.679
or later it would come back. We've had in that

537
00:34:57.760 --> 00:35:02.400
same situation guys windows to his truck that are electronic

538
00:35:02.920 --> 00:35:07.639
go up and down by themselves, as if we were

539
00:35:07.719 --> 00:35:12.199
hit with a small EMP type effect. All the electronics

540
00:35:12.199 --> 00:35:15.719
went out, cell phones had to be reset, powered down,

541
00:35:15.840 --> 00:35:19.039
powered back on. Radios would not work. And this is

542
00:35:19.079 --> 00:35:22.400
for a period of about forty forty five minutes. So

543
00:35:23.280 --> 00:35:27.639
here we have no juveniles the same area, big tall,

544
00:35:27.719 --> 00:35:32.039
black mail black fur males, and all of a sudden,

545
00:35:32.079 --> 00:35:36.960
now we're having this EMP style attack on our electronics

546
00:35:37.880 --> 00:35:42.639
and they're they're thumping. They sound like a really bad

547
00:35:42.760 --> 00:35:47.039
imitation of an owl. We unzip a tent and the

548
00:35:47.079 --> 00:35:50.800
owl starts hooting repeatedly. You go back in your tent,

549
00:35:50.960 --> 00:35:55.920
rezip your tent, the hooting stops, and the other thing

550
00:35:55.960 --> 00:35:59.960
that was quite odd is at four point thirty more,

551
00:36:00.800 --> 00:36:04.639
while all this has taking place, a helicopter goes by

552
00:36:04.800 --> 00:36:08.559
real slow at about four hundred feet HL and goes

553
00:36:08.599 --> 00:36:13.159
slowly over, our camp goes on continuously. All of a sudden,

554
00:36:14.199 --> 00:36:19.360
all that electronic stuff stopped. Everything came back on, everything

555
00:36:19.400 --> 00:36:21.920
worked perfect. Get home and I find that the keybop

556
00:36:22.000 --> 00:36:25.199
from my car, the batteries and both the keybops are dead.

557
00:36:25.800 --> 00:36:28.880
The keybob from ahomele arm system on the keychain is dead.

558
00:36:29.440 --> 00:36:32.960
I get all of them replaced. This research requires a

559
00:36:33.039 --> 00:36:36.840
lot more work. But that's just an example of some

560
00:36:36.960 --> 00:36:41.800
things that happened on expeditions that just simply cannot explain

561
00:36:42.480 --> 00:36:46.639
and requires more research. And it happens on a regular basis.

562
00:36:46.800 --> 00:36:50.960
That's absolutely And that's all on just the one Ohio

563
00:36:51.639 --> 00:36:53.519
expedition during this last year.

564
00:36:55.320 --> 00:36:58.679
Now further, the other thing that had occurred I never

565
00:36:59.639 --> 00:37:05.679
fit personally experienced before in Tennessee on the expedition, and

566
00:37:05.800 --> 00:37:09.639
I'd done a presentation there and the dues and don'ts

567
00:37:09.880 --> 00:37:13.639
of what enough to do during night ops, trying to

568
00:37:13.639 --> 00:37:15.360
share what had happened in Ohio.

569
00:37:15.800 --> 00:37:18.320
Don't do that, and we go out.

570
00:37:18.519 --> 00:37:21.719
We're in smaller groups, four or five instead of ten,

571
00:37:22.440 --> 00:37:25.039
and we're sitting in a real good hot spot next

572
00:37:25.079 --> 00:37:28.239
to a creek. And I'd send out a team of

573
00:37:28.280 --> 00:37:30.079
two people out to my right.

574
00:37:30.119 --> 00:37:30.719
They'd go down.

575
00:37:30.639 --> 00:37:33.000
About one hundred yards, take a left and go to

576
00:37:33.039 --> 00:37:35.639
the creek. They would do tree knocks or they do

577
00:37:35.800 --> 00:37:39.880
rock clacking, and we'd get a response pretty quick. We

578
00:37:39.920 --> 00:37:44.440
would hear footsteps in the forest, we'd get a responding

579
00:37:44.519 --> 00:37:48.320
tree knock, et cetera. At one point I brought everyone back.

580
00:37:48.360 --> 00:37:51.599
We're sitting around in a circle, a good mood out.

581
00:37:51.679 --> 00:37:52.480
So it's dark.

582
00:37:52.880 --> 00:37:55.880
What we could see in about eight to ten feet

583
00:37:55.920 --> 00:37:59.000
behind the guy directly sitting in front of me. I

584
00:37:59.119 --> 00:38:03.159
see over his head in the tree line what looks

585
00:38:03.199 --> 00:38:08.079
like rhododendrons or whatever. Eye shine that close. And I'm

586
00:38:08.079 --> 00:38:10.199
telling the guy, you know what, I got eye shine

587
00:38:10.239 --> 00:38:12.400
behind you, and he's saying, what should they do? Then

588
00:38:12.519 --> 00:38:15.599
go get up very slowly and just walk towards me,

589
00:38:16.559 --> 00:38:18.760
And all of a sudden we get a garbage smell,

590
00:38:19.800 --> 00:38:23.199
the wet dog, and boom, the eye shine's gone. Okay,

591
00:38:23.239 --> 00:38:26.519
so we let that rest for about ten minutes, and okay,

592
00:38:26.559 --> 00:38:28.599
we're going to send out another group, this time to

593
00:38:28.639 --> 00:38:32.760
my left. You get out about seventy eighty one hundred yards.

594
00:38:33.000 --> 00:38:35.159
I want to do some rock clacks, do a tree

595
00:38:35.199 --> 00:38:40.119
knock and see if we can garner in action closer

596
00:38:40.119 --> 00:38:44.800
to where we're seated, and they go out again, we

597
00:38:44.840 --> 00:38:47.960
get a responding tree knock. We can hear walking around

598
00:38:47.960 --> 00:38:50.760
in the forest behind us, so this time it sounds

599
00:38:50.840 --> 00:38:56.920
like we hear like a young girl giggling, really odd,

600
00:38:57.039 --> 00:39:01.719
never heard that before, and get some verb vocalizations like

601
00:39:01.760 --> 00:39:05.039
a little girl giggling, and then we hear what sounds

602
00:39:05.039 --> 00:39:09.320
like the clearing of a throat, maybe a growl. Okay,

603
00:39:09.320 --> 00:39:12.000
guys come on back. So we're all sitting there, so

604
00:39:12.880 --> 00:39:14.920
wait a little bit, nothing else happens.

605
00:39:15.559 --> 00:39:17.639
Okay, so we send another group bout to the right.

606
00:39:18.199 --> 00:39:20.039
It seems like we send out a group, they do

607
00:39:20.079 --> 00:39:22.320
a tree knocker rock lack and we get a response.

608
00:39:22.920 --> 00:39:26.920
So this time they go out, and myself and one

609
00:39:26.960 --> 00:39:30.440
other person is sitting there and over my left shoulder,

610
00:39:30.480 --> 00:39:34.119
I hear whispers like I'm asking the person I'm with

611
00:39:34.280 --> 00:39:36.719
do you hear that? And they're saying, no, I don't

612
00:39:36.760 --> 00:39:39.599
hear a thing, And you're sure you don't hear whispers?

613
00:39:40.079 --> 00:39:41.840
They go, no, I'm hearing.

614
00:39:44.079 --> 00:39:44.360
Like that.

615
00:39:45.760 --> 00:39:50.280
Okay, So a moment or two later I hear whispering again,

616
00:39:53.360 --> 00:40:00.119
and then all of a sudden, I hear marciaps, I

617
00:40:00.159 --> 00:40:04.960
hear my name called. I jumped up out of that

618
00:40:05.079 --> 00:40:10.039
chair and turned around. I'm looking behind trees. I'm walking

619
00:40:10.079 --> 00:40:13.039
into the tree line ten twenty feet. I'm trying to

620
00:40:13.079 --> 00:40:15.239
look to see what's there. And the person I'm sitting

621
00:40:15.239 --> 00:40:19.199
there with didn't hear a thing. So I guess that's

622
00:40:19.239 --> 00:40:24.559
my first experience with what's called mind speak. I cannot

623
00:40:24.599 --> 00:40:27.239
explain it. I don't know if I can recreate it

624
00:40:27.280 --> 00:40:31.000
in a laboratory, but I know what I heard, and

625
00:40:31.400 --> 00:40:33.239
more importantly, I know that they didn't hear it.

626
00:40:33.440 --> 00:40:34.199
I know I did.

627
00:40:34.880 --> 00:40:39.199
Shortly after that, I got everyone back, everything stopped, the

628
00:40:39.239 --> 00:40:42.639
squatches that were in and around us, they did one

629
00:40:42.679 --> 00:40:45.480
set of rock clocks, and then they stopped. They laid

630
00:40:45.480 --> 00:40:48.480
low in place, and about a half hour later we

631
00:40:48.519 --> 00:40:50.760
packed up our chairs and went back to base camp.

632
00:40:51.199 --> 00:40:53.000
So that was rather odd.

633
00:40:53.280 --> 00:40:57.960
That entire expedition there in Tennessee a wonderful time. It's

634
00:40:58.119 --> 00:41:02.960
fully catered, great people, great presenters. They had a great

635
00:41:03.039 --> 00:41:08.760
class a sighting from pretty close distance. Some paranormal stuff

636
00:41:08.760 --> 00:41:11.480
potentially going on. I can't speak too much to that,

637
00:41:11.719 --> 00:41:15.519
But and then I had that occurrence of rock clacks

638
00:41:15.599 --> 00:41:20.119
in mind speak. That was pretty I'm still trying to

639
00:41:20.159 --> 00:41:20.920
figure that out.

640
00:41:21.000 --> 00:41:26.000
Now, that's a whole different line that is crossed when

641
00:41:26.079 --> 00:41:29.000
you start to experience that. I would imagine it sounds

642
00:41:29.039 --> 00:41:32.800
like tying back in with the Ohio expedition. Yeah, that

643
00:41:32.920 --> 00:41:35.880
individual that heard the hey, hey did they say if

644
00:41:35.920 --> 00:41:37.920
they heard it inside their head or they heard it

645
00:41:38.719 --> 00:41:41.239
audibly using their ears.

646
00:41:42.039 --> 00:41:45.639
They thought everyone could hear it, just like what I

647
00:41:45.719 --> 00:41:48.400
had experienced, but no one heard it.

648
00:41:48.400 --> 00:41:49.119
Other than them.

649
00:41:50.039 --> 00:41:53.880
But to them, I'll just say that person's name this

650
00:41:54.039 --> 00:41:59.320
Tom for convenience. Tom said it sounded like, yeah, everyone

651
00:41:59.320 --> 00:42:01.840
could hear it. I can hear it out loud, but

652
00:42:01.920 --> 00:42:03.679
it was only in his head that he heard it.

653
00:42:05.039 --> 00:42:07.159
And there's no one There were three other people other

654
00:42:07.239 --> 00:42:10.239
than myself, so a total of five people. No one

655
00:42:10.280 --> 00:42:13.719
heard a thing, just the squatch going back and forth

656
00:42:13.840 --> 00:42:17.119
through occasional hissing and growling, the beating on the side

657
00:42:17.119 --> 00:42:20.920
of a tree, which is really strange. He thought maybe

658
00:42:20.960 --> 00:42:25.280
we'd get some hair from that didn't happen, But he Tom,

659
00:42:25.599 --> 00:42:30.159
he heard it quite clearly. And so here I am.

660
00:42:30.280 --> 00:42:32.679
A month or so later, all of a sudden, I

661
00:42:32.760 --> 00:42:35.960
hear something that only I can hear, so I thought

662
00:42:35.960 --> 00:42:37.559
that was really unique.

663
00:42:38.039 --> 00:42:41.679
That's really weird, but also very cool at the same time.

664
00:42:42.000 --> 00:42:46.000
A few questions I'll ask I pretty much all know

665
00:42:46.119 --> 00:42:48.079
that I know the answers, but for the sake of

666
00:42:48.079 --> 00:42:50.519
the listeners. So you mentioned that there was some really

667
00:42:50.599 --> 00:42:54.599
awesome flear footage or thermal footage that was captured in Ohio.

668
00:42:54.679 --> 00:42:57.760
Is there a place where people can view that footage?

669
00:42:58.199 --> 00:43:01.519
You gotta understand that he participants, including the investigators, we

670
00:43:01.639 --> 00:43:07.519
signed a non disclosure agreement with the organization. All evidence footage,

671
00:43:07.519 --> 00:43:11.079
et cetera, is property the BFRO unless I had permission

672
00:43:11.199 --> 00:43:15.079
directly from that moneymaker himself, and I'd want it in writing.

673
00:43:15.239 --> 00:43:18.880
Just to protect me and him, I can't share anything.

674
00:43:19.559 --> 00:43:22.280
And it wasn't on my fleer unit. It was someone

675
00:43:22.320 --> 00:43:25.760
else's fleer unit, and they would run the video again

676
00:43:25.800 --> 00:43:28.480
and pass around you. You could watch it through the eyepiece,

677
00:43:28.639 --> 00:43:30.519
but it wasn't on my flear itself.

678
00:43:31.280 --> 00:43:34.679
Gotcha. That includes if someone, let's say, if they were

679
00:43:34.719 --> 00:43:37.400
to get a photo during an expedition, if it's like

680
00:43:38.119 --> 00:43:41.559
dead on not blurry, then that's under the NDA. Or

681
00:43:41.599 --> 00:43:43.960
if there's like video that's captured that.

682
00:43:43.880 --> 00:43:48.039
Period is yeah, is, but you know what, it's your camera.

683
00:43:48.920 --> 00:43:51.880
You're at home a hundred two hundred three hundred miles

684
00:43:51.920 --> 00:43:55.039
away and you're showing it to your wife or your kids,

685
00:43:55.079 --> 00:43:57.920
or your grandparent whatever, and you go, see, that's what

686
00:43:58.039 --> 00:44:00.679
I saw. I can't attest to that, but I do

687
00:44:00.840 --> 00:44:04.760
know that it is my general opinion and spending practice.

688
00:44:05.280 --> 00:44:08.840
Anything we gather out there is property the BFRO and

689
00:44:09.000 --> 00:44:11.840
I have no heartache with that. That's who's sponsoring it,

690
00:44:11.880 --> 00:44:15.559
that's whose name and flag we're flying under, and who

691
00:44:15.599 --> 00:44:18.000
puts us in that position to be able to gather

692
00:44:18.199 --> 00:44:19.159
that data.

693
00:44:19.239 --> 00:44:22.079
Absolutely the thing people have to You know, I'm talking

694
00:44:22.079 --> 00:44:25.840
to someone outside the organization because I'm not a member

695
00:44:25.880 --> 00:44:28.079
of it, but just from what I've heard how it works.

696
00:44:28.159 --> 00:44:30.719
You have to realize that there's a lot of work

697
00:44:30.760 --> 00:44:34.639
that goes into setting up these expeditions. Sometimes you're even

698
00:44:34.719 --> 00:44:38.480
on private property of people that live there and you're

699
00:44:38.519 --> 00:44:40.639
able to have that access, which is pretty crazy.

700
00:44:41.280 --> 00:44:45.440
You have to imagine we have to acquire insurance and

701
00:44:45.480 --> 00:44:50.800
if some instances, permits from local governing agencies in National

702
00:44:50.800 --> 00:44:54.159
Park Service or the dn R or whomever, and we

703
00:44:54.199 --> 00:44:57.599
have to have liability insurance and then we have to

704
00:44:57.599 --> 00:45:02.760
make sure there's restrooms, there's an em tea presence, and

705
00:45:02.840 --> 00:45:06.039
if it's catered, we're bringing in people to cook for us.

706
00:45:07.000 --> 00:45:10.239
Firewood for firewood is not cheap, especially when you have

707
00:45:10.280 --> 00:45:15.280
to have it delivered twenty miles inside of forest, and

708
00:45:15.400 --> 00:45:17.079
so all that costs money.

709
00:45:17.880 --> 00:45:20.639
Big for society will be right back after these messages.

710
00:45:36.719 --> 00:45:39.840
Investigators do not get paid to be there. We pay

711
00:45:39.880 --> 00:45:44.239
a fee to be there as well the coordinator. They

712
00:45:44.480 --> 00:45:47.519
typically break even or they're out of pocket a little

713
00:45:47.559 --> 00:45:52.280
bit on Moost expeditions. This is done out of love

714
00:45:52.559 --> 00:45:57.119
and a natural curiosity. We in the field do not

715
00:45:57.199 --> 00:45:58.079
make a penny from this.

716
00:46:00.880 --> 00:46:05.039
It is definitely the people involved. From just talking to

717
00:46:05.480 --> 00:46:10.039
more than a few investigators, they definitely do love the subject.

718
00:46:10.119 --> 00:46:12.400
You can tell they are very much into it. It

719
00:46:12.440 --> 00:46:15.079
would be cool one day if we've got all the

720
00:46:15.199 --> 00:46:18.360
UFO uIP disclosure. But how cool would it be if

721
00:46:18.360 --> 00:46:20.719
one day the BFRY was able to get all this

722
00:46:21.159 --> 00:46:24.559
evidence together and they're like, yeah, let's put it out there.

723
00:46:24.559 --> 00:46:27.320
And maybe that would be totally not what the organization

724
00:46:27.360 --> 00:46:29.880
would want to do, but it would be pretty cool

725
00:46:30.079 --> 00:46:32.599
at least from my views.

726
00:46:32.960 --> 00:46:33.639
Yes, it would be.

727
00:46:35.599 --> 00:46:38.320
Based on what I've seen, an experience, and based what

728
00:46:38.519 --> 00:46:44.840
I've talked to people whom I trust, I believe that

729
00:46:45.719 --> 00:46:53.639
there's probably agents within National Park Service or National Apartment

730
00:46:53.639 --> 00:47:01.239
of Agriculture whomever. They probably have proof positive knowledge of this.

731
00:47:01.599 --> 00:47:05.119
That's my opinion. It's not the opinion of the BFRO.

732
00:47:05.519 --> 00:47:09.159
That's just my own personal opinion. I believe that there

733
00:47:09.239 --> 00:47:14.360
is government agencies or an agency that has proof positive.

734
00:47:14.519 --> 00:47:21.119
That's my personal opinion, and interviewing discussing this topic with others,

735
00:47:21.440 --> 00:47:24.679
I can't prove it. I have no communication, no emails

736
00:47:24.719 --> 00:47:28.079
on nothing. It's just my spidy sense telling me that

737
00:47:28.280 --> 00:47:34.719
something this obvious, this big, go unknown, especially when you

738
00:47:34.800 --> 00:47:39.199
see vast tracts of force next to military installations that

739
00:47:39.280 --> 00:47:43.400
are monitored from deeps, that are monitor from space with

740
00:47:43.519 --> 00:47:48.840
seismic sensors and satellite equipment that can pick up a

741
00:47:48.880 --> 00:47:51.360
cockroach on a log, or pick up a different colored

742
00:47:51.559 --> 00:47:59.960
mushroom growing on a tree. They've probably spotted something, ohsutely,

743
00:48:00.239 --> 00:48:01.400
I believe.

744
00:48:01.440 --> 00:48:05.440
So I've had I can also I can say one

745
00:48:05.480 --> 00:48:09.039
hundred percent yes, because I've had at least two or

746
00:48:09.079 --> 00:48:14.360
three you could call them park rangers that have reached

747
00:48:14.360 --> 00:48:16.920
out to me from places like the Smokies over the

748
00:48:17.000 --> 00:48:20.639
last year. However, once you come back to them and

749
00:48:20.639 --> 00:48:24.079
you're like, I would need you to be able to

750
00:48:24.119 --> 00:48:28.159
either prove some stuff or sign some stuffy they just

751
00:48:28.199 --> 00:48:31.239
a communication goes dead. But it is getting to the

752
00:48:31.280 --> 00:48:35.519
point where I know sheriffs that are listening, I know

753
00:48:35.639 --> 00:48:38.639
deputies that are listening, and I think in the next

754
00:48:38.679 --> 00:48:41.840
few years it's just going to get bigger and bigger.

755
00:48:41.880 --> 00:48:43.920
I absolutely have a feeling about that.

756
00:48:44.480 --> 00:48:45.039
I agree.

757
00:48:45.119 --> 00:48:48.719
I believe that the quotas of the truth is out there.

758
00:48:49.039 --> 00:48:51.639
And just recently here in South Carolina, and we have

759
00:48:51.639 --> 00:48:55.519
a report filed by a retired law enforcement officer, high

760
00:48:55.599 --> 00:49:01.280
degree of integrity, everything on private property, no stick in

761
00:49:01.360 --> 00:49:06.599
the fire as to some form of benefit class A

762
00:49:06.679 --> 00:49:10.840
thirty forty feet, a good three four five second interchange

763
00:49:10.880 --> 00:49:14.000
eye to eye, and the squash walks off. And that's

764
00:49:14.079 --> 00:49:18.159
the center of South Carolina. Now, the ongoing theory is

765
00:49:18.280 --> 00:49:22.159
this is probably a traveling male majority of the time

766
00:49:23.400 --> 00:49:25.360
eighty five nine percent of the time, the ones that

767
00:49:25.719 --> 00:49:29.719
travel long distance or males young adult males, and it's

768
00:49:29.719 --> 00:49:32.159
the females that don't travel too far from the family

769
00:49:32.239 --> 00:49:35.519
pod or clan because they'll meet a male from a

770
00:49:35.599 --> 00:49:40.360
nearby clan and reproduce quite similar to the same pattern

771
00:49:40.400 --> 00:49:42.800
as you would have with baboons or gorillas.

772
00:49:44.239 --> 00:49:46.079
The males are the ones that end up.

773
00:49:46.039 --> 00:49:49.800
Getting pushed out and they travel and to find another

774
00:49:49.920 --> 00:49:52.480
clan to join, or they find a female. But the

775
00:49:52.519 --> 00:49:56.559
females normally travel. They notice all the reports. It's not

776
00:49:56.760 --> 00:49:59.440
I saw a female across the highway with two juveniles.

777
00:50:00.719 --> 00:50:03.639
It's not we don't have a female going tree to

778
00:50:03.719 --> 00:50:06.280
tree with the juvenile hanging around her neck.

779
00:50:06.920 --> 00:50:10.519
No, it's a male, but they see No. Absolutely, yeah,

780
00:50:10.559 --> 00:50:11.599
that pretty makes sense.

781
00:50:11.960 --> 00:50:16.039
I would say ninety nine percent of the accounts. I

782
00:50:16.079 --> 00:50:20.559
get that. Yes, absolutely on board with what you're saying.

783
00:50:20.800 --> 00:50:24.480
That's definitely seems to be the case. Marcia. Have you

784
00:50:24.519 --> 00:50:29.880
ever gotten how something happen during an expedition where you

785
00:50:30.000 --> 00:50:35.199
record audio that seems to be almost I'm trying to

786
00:50:35.239 --> 00:50:37.480
think of how to I've been talking to David Ellis

787
00:50:37.480 --> 00:50:40.960
about this where it's almost like a precursor to language.

788
00:50:41.679 --> 00:50:45.199
Yeah, we had, like I said that one it sounded

789
00:50:45.280 --> 00:50:50.400
like a young girl chattering or high pitched talking. We

790
00:50:50.559 --> 00:50:55.159
hear something where it's not quite a gral It's not

791
00:50:55.320 --> 00:51:02.480
quite someone speaking the King's English, but it's something. It's

792
00:51:02.519 --> 00:51:06.599
a vowel constant combination that's unique. He wouldn't hear in

793
00:51:06.639 --> 00:51:12.559
the wild, and then obviously hearing mind speak having actual

794
00:51:12.599 --> 00:51:18.360
words spoken. But we've had recordings. I've seen people with

795
00:51:18.559 --> 00:51:25.159
great audio equipment, a lot of expensive stuff recording, and

796
00:51:25.440 --> 00:51:27.800
all of a sudden they're listening and they're going, hey, wow,

797
00:51:27.840 --> 00:51:31.199
I just heard this. And in the morning they get

798
00:51:31.280 --> 00:51:33.880
up to run it through their laptop and the whole thing,

799
00:51:34.079 --> 00:51:38.039
the whole little SIM card is empty.

800
00:51:38.199 --> 00:51:40.440
I can't explain that. I don't know.

801
00:51:41.719 --> 00:51:44.880
I know, I'm sitting there with them, going wow, what

802
00:51:45.079 --> 00:51:48.679
was that? And but in the morning the sim card's empty.

803
00:51:50.039 --> 00:51:53.920
There are so many things that happen in this field.

804
00:51:54.440 --> 00:51:58.400
The further you get into it, that it's just unexplainable.

805
00:51:59.079 --> 00:52:02.400
The weird sace happens, and you just have to keep going.

806
00:52:02.639 --> 00:52:05.239
And I've only done a few, You've done so many,

807
00:52:05.320 --> 00:52:07.159
But it's like you just have to keep going because

808
00:52:07.719 --> 00:52:10.639
then you've got the biggest mystery in the world in

809
00:52:10.679 --> 00:52:11.159
front of you.

810
00:52:11.519 --> 00:52:16.119
Exactly me, I get the personal enjoyment. I'm trying to

811
00:52:16.239 --> 00:52:21.119
resolve this question. I have in my head and doing

812
00:52:21.159 --> 00:52:26.280
it so it's credible and it's reproducible in a controlled

813
00:52:26.320 --> 00:52:30.360
setting or laboratory. But there's also an element to it

814
00:52:30.679 --> 00:52:33.599
that this is a passion of mine, as it is

815
00:52:33.639 --> 00:52:38.920
with other investigators, and the enjoyment we get taking people

816
00:52:38.960 --> 00:52:43.480
out and seeing their reaction for the first time. And

817
00:52:43.840 --> 00:52:48.119
they hear a stick break, then they hear footprints, and

818
00:52:48.159 --> 00:52:52.239
then they hear a growl, or they hear a tree

819
00:52:52.280 --> 00:52:54.119
knock and you go here, take the stick or hit

820
00:52:54.159 --> 00:52:57.159
the tree, and they hit the tree and whatever it

821
00:52:57.199 --> 00:52:59.639
is a gen a tree knock responds to them. And

822
00:52:59.679 --> 00:53:02.840
seeing that look in their eyes and experiencing that with

823
00:53:02.960 --> 00:53:05.519
them when they see it and feel it for the

824
00:53:05.559 --> 00:53:08.960
first time. I enjoy that as well. Being able to

825
00:53:08.960 --> 00:53:11.119
share this with someone for the first time.

826
00:53:11.480 --> 00:53:16.320
That is very special. I agree. Any other things that

827
00:53:17.480 --> 00:53:21.440
come to mind about things that happened that we're out

828
00:53:21.440 --> 00:53:24.079
of the ordinary on expeditions, I want to make sure

829
00:53:24.119 --> 00:53:26.960
that you share everything that you came to share.

830
00:53:28.119 --> 00:53:31.159
Yeah, we've been trying out new radios. We get in

831
00:53:31.199 --> 00:53:33.840
a lot of areas where there's a lot of hills,

832
00:53:34.599 --> 00:53:37.960
et cetera, and where radio reception is not always the

833
00:53:38.039 --> 00:53:44.440
best and going out with perfectly good radios and all

834
00:53:44.440 --> 00:53:48.440
of a sudden, if they don't go dead, then all

835
00:53:48.440 --> 00:53:53.360
of a sudden, the screen flashes and you hear sounds

836
00:53:53.440 --> 00:53:56.360
like like a pilot talking to air traffic control tower

837
00:53:56.719 --> 00:54:00.840
and then moon the thing. The screen flashes and boom,

838
00:54:01.199 --> 00:54:04.960
it's back. Then again, that's happened a few times now.

839
00:54:05.079 --> 00:54:08.119
Someone suggested if you were close to a portal. I

840
00:54:08.159 --> 00:54:12.079
don't buy that there has been. I typically do the

841
00:54:12.119 --> 00:54:15.639
background research before we go out on an expedition. There's

842
00:54:15.639 --> 00:54:18.639
one area that we go to that seems to be

843
00:54:18.679 --> 00:54:22.440
a very prominent magnetic anomaly in the area that we're

844
00:54:22.440 --> 00:54:30.800
taking the expeditions too, and where we're experiencing orbs, different colors,

845
00:54:30.840 --> 00:54:37.159
different behaviors. We've experienced gosh or like a better terminology,

846
00:54:37.239 --> 00:54:38.719
I'm going to say, a dark figure.

847
00:54:38.800 --> 00:54:39.440
We're sitting in a.

848
00:54:39.480 --> 00:54:44.360
Field, there's a great vision, don't need a fire, you

849
00:54:44.440 --> 00:54:49.400
got nice moonlight, and you're looking into a stand of

850
00:54:49.480 --> 00:54:54.400
trees thirty forty feet away, pretty close, and you see

851
00:54:54.400 --> 00:54:56.639
something dark moving through the trees.

852
00:54:56.719 --> 00:54:58.599
So you pick up your flair and you look at

853
00:54:58.639 --> 00:55:01.360
it and it's dark. It's black.

854
00:55:01.599 --> 00:55:03.960
You check your fleers it's set a white hot or

855
00:55:04.000 --> 00:55:06.719
black hot or whatever. And you say, okay, it's white hot.

856
00:55:06.840 --> 00:55:09.119
You look up again and it's pacing back and forth

857
00:55:09.119 --> 00:55:12.280
and it's black. You mentioned it to other people with you,

858
00:55:12.599 --> 00:55:14.840
and they're picking up their fleears, some of them like

859
00:55:14.960 --> 00:55:19.000
five thousand dollars pulsars, and they're looking and it's black.

860
00:55:20.239 --> 00:55:23.960
It's moving back and forth. It seems to hover over

861
00:55:24.000 --> 00:55:25.280
the ground, clutter.

862
00:55:25.199 --> 00:55:25.719
No feet.

863
00:55:26.360 --> 00:55:28.639
You can see the arm swing, the head movement, the

864
00:55:28.639 --> 00:55:32.239
body movement, and it's black. It's the same temperature as

865
00:55:32.239 --> 00:55:35.920
the trees and the rocks. It's black. It's cold, but

866
00:55:36.000 --> 00:55:39.719
it's moving around, back and forth. We get up and

867
00:55:39.719 --> 00:55:43.559
you know what, anyone want to go with me? Typically

868
00:55:43.840 --> 00:55:46.440
not to be people volund here to walk with me

869
00:55:46.519 --> 00:55:49.280
to go confront it. So I get I convinced two

870
00:55:49.280 --> 00:55:51.960
people to go with me, and we walk out towards it,

871
00:55:52.000 --> 00:55:54.599
and just the materializes instantaneously.

872
00:55:55.199 --> 00:55:57.880
Oh gone. Now.

873
00:55:58.800 --> 00:56:02.599
This was a small out cropper trees between three farmers'

874
00:56:02.639 --> 00:56:07.719
fields and on the one side is an early nineteenth

875
00:56:07.800 --> 00:56:12.960
century graveyard with about forty gravestone headstones in it. These

876
00:56:12.960 --> 00:56:17.000
are all people who died from disease and whatnot. Back

877
00:56:17.039 --> 00:56:22.159
in the eighteen thirties and forties. I'm not saying that

878
00:56:22.239 --> 00:56:24.599
it's a ghost. I'm just saying that we had the

879
00:56:24.639 --> 00:56:28.679
movement of a figure that was that showed black cold

880
00:56:29.559 --> 00:56:34.320
on three separate fleers, six people watching it all at

881
00:56:34.360 --> 00:56:37.800
the same time, no sound, and it's moving back and

882
00:56:37.840 --> 00:56:44.239
forth and it's cold, no key signature at all. I

883
00:56:44.280 --> 00:56:45.199
can't explain that.

884
00:56:47.880 --> 00:56:52.400
Wow, that is extremely strange.

885
00:56:52.519 --> 00:56:56.679
Yeah, yeah, so what do you do? We put it

886
00:56:56.719 --> 00:56:59.840
in the notes. A lot of people don't know this.

887
00:57:00.119 --> 00:57:05.039
After every expedition, there's one overall master report filed of

888
00:57:05.119 --> 00:57:08.519
all the activity that took place during that expedition and

889
00:57:09.480 --> 00:57:12.320
at people's statements, et cetera, and we put it all

890
00:57:12.400 --> 00:57:15.719
into our we have a private database that the public

891
00:57:15.840 --> 00:57:18.199
is not aware of, and so it goes in there

892
00:57:18.440 --> 00:57:22.159
and this is what we experience and this is what

893
00:57:22.199 --> 00:57:24.960
we saw, and it's just it's one of those things.

894
00:57:25.239 --> 00:57:27.239
I'm not going to claim it's one thing or another.

895
00:57:27.559 --> 00:57:30.880
We can just simply state here's what we observed, here's

896
00:57:30.920 --> 00:57:33.880
what the instrumentation said, and we're going to put it

897
00:57:33.880 --> 00:57:38.239
in that file with other such occurrences and see what

898
00:57:38.280 --> 00:57:38.880
pops out.

899
00:57:40.280 --> 00:57:43.079
Absolutely, and I just want to make sure listeners know

900
00:57:43.239 --> 00:57:46.559
like everything that you're sharing has pretty much been cleared

901
00:57:46.639 --> 00:57:48.880
for you to share like it.

902
00:57:48.880 --> 00:57:52.639
It's like, yeah, no, I would not do that. I

903
00:57:53.159 --> 00:57:56.920
thoroughly believe in the people of the BFRO. I believe

904
00:57:56.960 --> 00:58:00.440
in the organization. Otherwise I wouldn't attach my name to it.

905
00:58:01.039 --> 00:58:04.159
I know there's soothsayers out there in at any given time,

906
00:58:04.199 --> 00:58:07.760
I'm willing to discuss it with them as adults. However,

907
00:58:08.239 --> 00:58:12.159
believe in its people in the mission, and obviously I

908
00:58:12.199 --> 00:58:19.159
can't discuss the exact locations, I can't use people's names, etc. Again, Remember,

909
00:58:19.559 --> 00:58:23.280
the mission of the BFRO one is public awareness, amongst

910
00:58:23.360 --> 00:58:25.480
other things, and that's.

911
00:58:25.320 --> 00:58:26.000
What we do.

912
00:58:26.039 --> 00:58:30.840
We want people to be aware that these living, breathing, pooping,

913
00:58:32.000 --> 00:58:37.760
reproducing bipedal animals are in the woods. We want people

914
00:58:37.800 --> 00:58:41.599
to know that, and we try to make them aware

915
00:58:41.639 --> 00:58:45.440
of it, and when we do expeditions, we're trying to

916
00:58:45.440 --> 00:58:48.480
make them aware of it from a safe distance in

917
00:58:48.519 --> 00:58:49.400
a safe setting.

918
00:58:50.119 --> 00:58:52.480
However, these are an animal.

919
00:58:53.159 --> 00:58:57.519
These are something that's potentially the biggest, most dangerous thing

920
00:58:57.559 --> 00:59:01.320
in North America. Ten feet on thousand pounds. You're talking

921
00:59:01.320 --> 00:59:04.400
bigger than a grizzly bear in some instances, and they're

922
00:59:04.519 --> 00:59:09.039
educated the high level of intellect. They can use tools,

923
00:59:09.519 --> 00:59:14.599
they can plan out ambushes and manipulate you. So that

924
00:59:14.679 --> 00:59:18.920
in itself should speak to a level of danger that

925
00:59:19.159 --> 00:59:22.639
is potential. And that's why we do things in a group.

926
00:59:22.719 --> 00:59:26.400
We do things safely, in a controlled setting, so that

927
00:59:26.800 --> 00:59:29.719
no one's off on their own and where there's a

928
00:59:30.000 --> 00:59:34.719
potentiality of maybe someone being ambushed that we would not

929
00:59:34.840 --> 00:59:36.320
do that at all with somebody.

930
00:59:36.880 --> 00:59:39.480
I think that's really cool you have an EMT there

931
00:59:39.519 --> 00:59:43.039
as well. Just I've heard over the years, you guys

932
00:59:43.039 --> 00:59:47.119
are going into intense situations and it's good to have

933
00:59:47.320 --> 00:59:50.360
a health professional there that can address some of these

934
00:59:50.360 --> 00:59:51.360
things you hear come up.

935
00:59:52.639 --> 00:59:55.760
Well, we've had someone slip and break an ankle, or

936
00:59:56.320 --> 00:59:59.599
someone gets stung by a bee down the floor of

937
00:59:59.679 --> 01:00:04.280
someone and stepped in a red ant hill, got multiple

938
01:00:04.320 --> 01:00:08.239
stings from red ants. All kinds of natural hazards that

939
01:00:08.360 --> 01:00:12.800
occur in the forests, and that's all natural. It's all

940
01:00:12.880 --> 01:00:17.000
something that's going to occur. However, at least there's someone there.

941
01:00:17.440 --> 01:00:21.880
If you get a tick on you, hey show someone, Yeah,

942
01:00:21.920 --> 01:00:24.960
we have someone there. They know how to safely remove it.

943
01:00:25.039 --> 01:00:25.599
ET cetera.

944
01:00:26.440 --> 01:00:29.199
Big for society will be right back after these messages.

945
01:00:45.239 --> 01:00:49.000
That's not that we're offering ambulatory medical service, just there's

946
01:00:49.039 --> 01:00:54.119
someone there that's knowledgeable, they're a licensed person, and just

947
01:00:54.679 --> 01:00:58.719
a higher level of care and professionalism.

948
01:00:58.760 --> 01:00:59.960
On BF Harbal's.

949
01:00:59.599 --> 01:01:04.360
Part, I'm sure I'm going to bring this up because

950
01:01:04.480 --> 01:01:06.840
I don't want to get a ton of emails about it,

951
01:01:06.840 --> 01:01:08.519
because I know there's going to be a ton of

952
01:01:08.559 --> 01:01:12.079
emails about it because of that that instrument that you

953
01:01:12.239 --> 01:01:14.840
brought up earlier, that you've pretty much come up with

954
01:01:15.840 --> 01:01:18.599
that is not available to the public. That is just

955
01:01:18.639 --> 01:01:22.719
something that you've created yourself, and it's like very early stag.

956
01:01:23.079 --> 01:01:26.480
Imagine if you've got a power supply that you're willing

957
01:01:26.519 --> 01:01:29.199
to walk around and carry with you. Yeah, you could

958
01:01:29.199 --> 01:01:33.280
probably come up with your own that's not so super

959
01:01:33.360 --> 01:01:36.360
high TechEd that you need Elon Musk to design it

960
01:01:36.400 --> 01:01:40.760
for you. It's just taking technology from different fields and

961
01:01:40.840 --> 01:01:45.400
putting together and using it for another application. Not every

962
01:01:45.920 --> 01:01:49.280
expedition has access to that type of technology. It's just

963
01:01:49.320 --> 01:01:54.039
the ones that I go to or participate in as

964
01:01:54.079 --> 01:01:58.280
a team leader. Otherwise you're not going to have that. Likewise,

965
01:01:58.719 --> 01:02:02.920
there are some people starting to convince them to carry

966
01:02:03.000 --> 01:02:10.239
EMF meters or electromagnetic radiation meters with them, and they're

967
01:02:10.280 --> 01:02:15.280
having some good data being observed, especially cloudless nice Also

968
01:02:15.360 --> 01:02:20.119
on EMF meter goes ay wire goes off the charts

969
01:02:20.880 --> 01:02:24.280
and they see a silhouette move across between cars.

970
01:02:24.880 --> 01:02:28.519
What does it mean? I don't know. Can I reproduce it? Maybe?

971
01:02:29.000 --> 01:02:30.239
But it's just curious.

972
01:02:30.880 --> 01:02:33.320
But at least the awareness is there that maybe we

973
01:02:33.400 --> 01:02:39.239
need up our game and start collecting scientific data from

974
01:02:39.360 --> 01:02:40.800
meters that are reproducible.

975
01:02:41.559 --> 01:02:45.039
That's really interesting is there are those meters that you

976
01:02:45.079 --> 01:02:48.320
can probably get for relatively cheap or is it a

977
01:02:48.320 --> 01:02:49.960
little bit of investment to get those?

978
01:02:51.039 --> 01:02:55.519
Now, you can get a quality Trifield meter for well,

979
01:02:55.559 --> 01:02:57.920
probably the most expensive one I've seen about one hundred

980
01:02:57.920 --> 01:03:00.920
and twenty five dollars. But you can go on eBay

981
01:03:01.039 --> 01:03:04.719
or Amazon and get an EMF meter for twenty twenty

982
01:03:04.719 --> 01:03:08.039
five dollars. You can get an EMR. You want something

983
01:03:08.039 --> 01:03:10.239
with a Catho tube in it, that's going to be

984
01:03:10.239 --> 01:03:12.360
a little bit more pricey. That's seventy five to one

985
01:03:12.400 --> 01:03:15.199
hundred dollars. Now, if you want to create your own

986
01:03:15.719 --> 01:03:21.199
spectrum analyzer, audio spectum analyzer that use the DC power

987
01:03:22.000 --> 01:03:24.440
that you can carry on your back. I got to

988
01:03:24.480 --> 01:03:28.320
create that one. That's the old the Ghostbusters unregistered nuclear

989
01:03:29.000 --> 01:03:30.480
device backpack.

990
01:03:30.719 --> 01:03:34.519
But it can be done. If you have that intent,

991
01:03:34.760 --> 01:03:36.239
you will do it. Is that really?

992
01:03:36.239 --> 01:03:38.079
What it looks like when you're carrying it around is

993
01:03:38.119 --> 01:03:39.159
like Ghostbusters down.

994
01:03:39.559 --> 01:03:44.639
Yes, that's awesome. Yeah, see with us, we got a

995
01:03:44.760 --> 01:03:47.480
night ops. I'm the team lead. I have a backpack

996
01:03:47.559 --> 01:03:50.280
that has an expanded first aid kit. I have extra

997
01:03:50.400 --> 01:03:53.920
water for people. I carry the radio, I have notebooks.

998
01:03:54.239 --> 01:03:57.400
Then I have my instrument backpack. I have a chair

999
01:03:57.960 --> 01:04:02.119
like I see so oh buggered down. Well, all these

1000
01:04:02.159 --> 01:04:05.599
backpacks of the equipment and obviously safety equipment as well,

1001
01:04:05.639 --> 01:04:08.159
you got to have that takes priority. Like I said,

1002
01:04:08.239 --> 01:04:12.079
an extended first aid kit and you got extra water, radio,

1003
01:04:12.199 --> 01:04:14.920
that kind of stuff. But yeah, I've got this big

1004
01:04:14.960 --> 01:04:18.159
backpack of equipment with me that I'm talking along as well,

1005
01:04:18.199 --> 01:04:20.280
that weighs about thirty pounds.

1006
01:04:21.239 --> 01:04:21.800
That's awesome.

1007
01:04:21.880 --> 01:04:23.800
And then I sit, we sit, I mean everyone I

1008
01:04:23.840 --> 01:04:27.840
do the SATMO. Everyone sits in a circle. I will

1009
01:04:27.840 --> 01:04:32.559
face north and then everyone sits around me. What point

1010
01:04:32.599 --> 01:04:36.199
of the compass you are facing there's nothing more frustrating

1011
01:04:36.400 --> 01:04:38.079
sitting in complete darkness.

1012
01:04:38.400 --> 01:04:40.039
And so did you hear that? Over there?

1013
01:04:40.599 --> 01:04:44.119
You played a twenty question game. Where did you hear it?

1014
01:04:44.639 --> 01:04:48.119
What did you hear? How far away was it? No,

1015
01:04:48.280 --> 01:04:51.119
we got to use our grown up communication skills. I

1016
01:04:51.159 --> 01:04:54.519
heard something to the northeast about twenty five yards four

1017
01:04:54.639 --> 01:04:58.760
or five car links or whatever, wherever method of measurement

1018
01:04:58.840 --> 01:05:00.920
works best for you. And I heard a tree break,

1019
01:05:01.320 --> 01:05:05.480
I heard a growl. So getting people accustom to communicate

1020
01:05:05.519 --> 01:05:08.880
that way. And while we're doing that, I'm taking notes.

1021
01:05:08.960 --> 01:05:11.239
I prefer as a team need to take the notes.

1022
01:05:11.840 --> 01:05:14.239
And I have all these meters on the ground spread

1023
01:05:14.280 --> 01:05:17.480
out around me, and so I'm observing those as I'm

1024
01:05:17.480 --> 01:05:21.280
writing down all the experiences for those people around me,

1025
01:05:21.920 --> 01:05:24.760
and I'm trying to guide them. That's okay, believe it

1026
01:05:24.840 --> 01:05:27.480
or not. What you're hearing is a toad or a

1027
01:05:27.519 --> 01:05:31.440
frog crow, that's not a sasquatch getting ready to get you,

1028
01:05:31.440 --> 01:05:33.840
you know, Or was that an owl or was that

1029
01:05:33.920 --> 01:05:36.039
a bigfoot or was that a crow?

1030
01:05:36.440 --> 01:05:36.880
Whatever.

1031
01:05:37.519 --> 01:05:41.519
So I'm also directing that part of the night off

1032
01:05:41.559 --> 01:05:44.880
as well, and then reacting to the opportunities that come

1033
01:05:44.960 --> 01:05:48.559
up or hear footprint, hear footsteps over to the left,

1034
01:05:48.920 --> 01:05:51.079
and all of a sudden, you get a tree knock

1035
01:05:51.159 --> 01:05:54.159
to the right, and Okay, here's what we're going to do.

1036
01:05:55.320 --> 01:05:57.559
I want someone to go do a tree knock right

1037
01:05:57.599 --> 01:06:02.159
over there. Boom, and everyone hear that. Okay, so you're

1038
01:06:02.239 --> 01:06:04.719
on a radio, you announce all the other teams you've

1039
01:06:04.760 --> 01:06:07.559
just done a tree knock, so they don't think it's

1040
01:06:07.920 --> 01:06:12.280
a big foot And so there's a lot that's involved

1041
01:06:12.280 --> 01:06:14.639
with leading a team out in the field. But yeah,

1042
01:06:14.840 --> 01:06:17.840
I had that big sack of equipment that's on my back,

1043
01:06:17.880 --> 01:06:20.800
and I said, it takes me a good fifteen minutes

1044
01:06:20.840 --> 01:06:21.679
and everything's set up.

1045
01:06:23.440 --> 01:06:27.840
That's awesome, Marsha. Maybe someday I'll be able to check

1046
01:06:27.880 --> 01:06:30.280
things out and go on an expedition myself. We'll see

1047
01:06:30.400 --> 01:06:33.719
if listeners are thinking, man, this sounds pretty cool. I

1048
01:06:33.760 --> 01:06:36.320
might want to check this out for myself. What are

1049
01:06:37.000 --> 01:06:40.599
ways that they can look further into maybe going on

1050
01:06:40.599 --> 01:06:42.159
one of these expeditions themselves.

1051
01:06:42.360 --> 01:06:44.760
One of the first things I would share with them

1052
01:06:44.840 --> 01:06:48.840
is go to BFRO dot net. Check out the website.

1053
01:06:49.239 --> 01:06:52.440
You'll see, let's hand side, there's a list of states

1054
01:06:52.559 --> 01:06:56.840
that show the dates for expedition in those respective states,

1055
01:06:57.199 --> 01:06:59.960
and it gives you a description of how about submitting

1056
01:07:00.199 --> 01:07:05.039
your paperwork and whatnot, what your fees may be. Remember

1057
01:07:05.119 --> 01:07:08.639
these they cost money to put these on. And then

1058
01:07:09.000 --> 01:07:12.000
we have a database for you to look at reports

1059
01:07:12.440 --> 01:07:15.239
throughout the entire United States, all broken down all the

1060
01:07:15.239 --> 01:07:18.639
way to your county. You can see, hey, two thousand

1061
01:07:18.639 --> 01:07:22.719
and three, there was someone heard how or nineteen ninety

1062
01:07:22.800 --> 01:07:26.599
seven someone had a class A sighting over behind the

1063
01:07:26.639 --> 01:07:29.559
Walmart or something. But you'll see we have a very

1064
01:07:29.599 --> 01:07:33.760
extensive database there and we have recordings. We have the

1065
01:07:33.840 --> 01:07:37.280
Ohio Hall, we have the Sierra Sounds. So you can

1066
01:07:37.320 --> 01:07:41.519
go through and look at our database, our library of

1067
01:07:41.639 --> 01:07:42.960
information and interviews.

1068
01:07:43.800 --> 01:07:45.360
And if going an.

1069
01:07:45.199 --> 01:07:49.639
Expedition, we're assuming you've been camping before, but that shouldn't

1070
01:07:49.639 --> 01:07:52.920
win you if you haven't shared I've never camped before,

1071
01:07:52.960 --> 01:07:55.719
but I'd like to do this. Hey got a dozen

1072
01:07:55.800 --> 01:07:57.880
people that have been over backwards to tell you how

1073
01:07:57.880 --> 01:08:00.599
to do it. We have a suggest to the list

1074
01:08:00.639 --> 01:08:03.440
of equipment and they want to bring does some meaning

1075
01:08:03.519 --> 01:08:07.440
you have to, but we recommend it. And if it's

1076
01:08:07.480 --> 01:08:10.559
something where if you need a four wheel drive vehicle,

1077
01:08:11.000 --> 01:08:13.639
is a travel trailer permitted, or it is a two

1078
01:08:13.679 --> 01:08:16.279
wheel drive to get to it. It's been my experience

1079
01:08:16.279 --> 01:08:18.720
in most expeditions you don't need four wheel drive. You

1080
01:08:18.760 --> 01:08:21.439
can drive right to the main campsite, the base camp

1081
01:08:21.880 --> 01:08:25.239
with your car and set up your ten et cetera.

1082
01:08:25.840 --> 01:08:28.279
So that's not a problem. But it starts with b

1083
01:08:28.560 --> 01:08:31.600
f ro o dot net and just check it out.

1084
01:08:32.800 --> 01:08:36.039
That's awesome. And lastly, if there are some listeners that

1085
01:08:36.159 --> 01:08:39.760
want to try to reach out to you to talk

1086
01:08:39.800 --> 01:08:44.159
about things you're talking about, or maybe your instrument tool

1087
01:08:44.239 --> 01:08:46.520
that you've been putting together, anything like that, is there

1088
01:08:46.560 --> 01:08:48.560
a way people can reach out to you, Marsha.

1089
01:08:48.960 --> 01:08:52.479
They're welcome to email me at Marcia W. Clark one

1090
01:08:52.560 --> 01:08:55.880
one at yahoo dot com. That's n A R s

1091
01:08:55.960 --> 01:08:59.239
ah A w C l A r k E one

1092
01:08:59.319 --> 01:09:03.000
one yahoo dot com. Got to be polite, got to

1093
01:09:03.039 --> 01:09:08.079
be a grownup, got to be scientifically inclined. If it's

1094
01:09:08.119 --> 01:09:12.039
just something to bash me, then I'll block you absolutely.

1095
01:09:12.159 --> 01:09:14.640
And we're all adults here, we think that would be

1096
01:09:14.720 --> 01:09:18.239
common sense. But it's good. Good to bring that up. Marcia.

1097
01:09:18.279 --> 01:09:20.119
It's always fun to have you on the show. You

1098
01:09:20.159 --> 01:09:23.720
always share some amazing things from the BFRO and your

1099
01:09:23.720 --> 01:09:26.880
personal research. Thank you again for coming on the show.

1100
01:09:27.720 --> 01:09:28.600
You're very welcome.

1101
01:09:28.720 --> 01:09:31.239
We've at the end of the season time but holidays,

1102
01:09:31.800 --> 01:09:33.840
and I'll be picking it back up out in the

1103
01:09:33.880 --> 01:09:37.720
forest probably February and going off from there. It looks

1104
01:09:37.760 --> 01:09:41.399
like I'm on schedule for right now. I know of

1105
01:09:41.520 --> 01:09:45.880
seven expeditions that I will be on, and I usually

1106
01:09:45.960 --> 01:09:50.039
lead three or four private ones of small groups as well,

1107
01:09:50.560 --> 01:09:52.439
and so maybe I'm bump into someone.

1108
01:09:52.199 --> 01:09:52.800
Out in the field.

1109
01:09:53.239 --> 01:09:56.720
Good luck to everyone, have a safe holiday, Merry Christmas,

1110
01:09:56.760 --> 01:09:58.920
and we'll see you out there.

1111
01:10:00.680 --> 01:10:00.840
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1112
01:10:00.880 --> 01:10:04.199
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1115
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1116
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1145
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1146
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1147
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1148
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