A Retaliatory Act of Intimidation | Marsha Clarke, BFRO

0:00 Welcome to Big for Society. If you have BIGFOD activity to report from the same areas discussed in this episode, please reach out to me directly after this episode. And if you'd like to be on the podcast to discuss a personal Bigfoot encounter, please reach out to me directly at bigfo Society at gmail dot com. Do you wish there was more Big for Society to listen to every week? Well there is now. If you become a supporting member over at Patreon, you get a special members only episode every single week on Wednesdays, and sometimes even more episodes. Head on over to Patreon dot com. Forward slash the Big for Society and now let's get on with the show. All right, Big for Society've got the privilege of talking to Marsha Clark again. You may remember Marsha from I think it is less than a year ago, but it was a great episode. Marsha's from the BFRO and she shared some incredible things that happened on expeditions, and I remember saying, marsh if anything else cool happens in the future, reach out, and Marsha reached out quicker than I thought.

1:06 But there's been some really interesting things that have happened in just the last half a year or less than a year on BFRO expeditions. Marsha's going to share all about it. But Marsha, it's a pleasure to have you back on the show again. Thank you. Jeremiah. As I said, we come across some interesting events, things that I think would capture people's or the public's interest. We want to share that. We want to get that out there real quick, just so listeners can catch up a little background. I'm retired from the I States Marine Corps, retired xCE on mobile Field Geologists, and now I spend full time doing research and investigations on the field. This year I've done eight expeditions with the public and for private where I personally will take our group of for the six people out just researching to see if it's a potential viable expedition site for BFR in the future real quick. I got into this a long time ago. Nineteen eighty four, I was a young lance corporal in the Marine Corps and we went to Bridgeport Marine Corps cold weather training facility up in the Sierra Mountains in California, and came my turn to staned guard duty and Rine Corps. We call it my firewatch, and the sergeant guards sets me out

2:36 to stand my post, and I'm standing on a wood palette, about four inches of snow on the ground, And after about twenty thirty minutes, just something made me turn around and look over to my right, and at about thirty five feet away, out from behind this very large tree, stepped out an adult nail bigfoot. We locked eyes for a good six seven Mississippis M sixteen in my hand. I kept telling myself that looks human, but it's naked with a lot of fur. And I couldn't flick the selection switch on I am sixteen. I just couldn't. I couldn't of think to do that. And as quick as it came, it stepped behind the tree and was gone.

3:23 That started a quest that had always been in the back of my mind for a long time. I went throughout my career in the Marine Corps always knowing that there was something there, and later on went to school, got my master's degree, was out in the field doing mapping, and I would have these encounters like in Montana and northern California and Idaho that by today's standard we'd call them B and C. Encounters, something sleeping next to my tent, something jostling all the pots and pans, something on two feet walking by me. I just really didn't make the connection until I started participating in the community blue.

4:09 Pages for the BFRO. That would have been two thousand and nine and ten, and I started to get a feel for, Wow, what had I been experiencing all this time? So I would have go out my own and because at first I. Was a little hesitant, and I'd go out my own and I look around, punk around, and got involved with some friends that were with the Rocky Mountain Sasquatch Organization, and then later moved to the East Coast and physically became involved with the BFRO. It was on initial BFRO expeditions where I'd had some very unique encounters, had a class A with them as well. At first I was touched through my tent, and that has convinced me that this is something real, it's physical, and I just I had I have to have the answer to this. I have to resolve within me what is the truth. And so that's what I've been following ever since then. If you recall our last discussion, I was sharing an episode of in the Mountains and Tennessee. Being alone in a very large wilderness area, the rangers gone, the house gone, and having a squatch or multiple ones in my campsite.

5:35 They were tripping alarm. They'd break it off, they put the pin back in it, and they basically manipulated the whole situation. They had that level of intellect. They knew how to draw me out of my camp. They knew what I was listening for. They knew a tree, a snap of a branch would pull me out. So that just just for the fire for me. Lately, though, I've had others come to me and they talk about the paranormal or they talk about the wu faction. I really didn't put too much to that. I'm a hard nosed scientist, trained meteorologists and geologists, and I got to have something reproducible in the laboratory. I need the hard data. I've started recording EMF and EMR along with infrasound. I have my own portable sound spectrum analyzer.

6:37 I can go out and if I hear a sound, I can look visually on a meter and tell you what hurts it is. And if it's something that's in that low range, I can record it, etc. And so there's been a few occasions where I've heard or have been able to record infrasound no physical effect, one in a group, and then within just a few moments a tree knock or heavy footsteps, rock throwing. So it was like a precursor or an indicator that there was something in the area. That hasn't been true all the time, but on four of eight occasions it has proven accurate.

7:22 So I'm still trying to refine that. That is amazing, Marcia. So you're saying pretty much you're likeness. I'm trying to wrap my mind around that. Is this just a product that people can buy off the shelves or did you put this together yourself? No, it's something I've put together for myself. I have a couple of friends that are electrical engineers. I'm a licensed to a technical engineer, but I have a couple of friends that are electrical engineers, and I said, this is what I want to do. I want to be able to visually see on a screen of sound as trans submitted from anywhere from zero to twenty thousand hurts, and I want to be able to measure it. I want to be able to record it and okay, no problem.

8:11 So basically just a DC powered or battery powered spectrum analyzer is what it came to. It fits in a small backpack. I also have a signal generator where I can create a tone if I want to in the infrasound, And like I shared previously, I don't recommend that to anyone. The first time and only time I've done that, I was bluff charged, and so until I get a better handle on that, I recommend others not doing that. But yeah, it fits in a backpack. I can carry it with me, set it down. It's got a rechargeable battery bank to it, and I can watch the screen and I can see, for example, if an aircraft's going by, or if people are talking, or if there's some silent electronic signal, say within the utility line that they use for leak detection.

9:04 I can tell what hurts that is and say, okay, it's fourenty and twenty that's the utility line, that's the alarm system in underground utility, or if I see something at ten thousand, or if I anything along those lines. But it's become a very useful tool. I haven't perfected any of this yet. I've been working on this now for about a year, but there has been limited success. I'm beginning to see that after I did some interviews with some large mammal scientists at the local zoo here, all those PhD people educating me on the use of infrasound and how animals communicate, et cetera. And then speaking to two E and T your those throat doctors at the VA Hospital and one at the University South Carolina Medical about how the inner ear works, specifically when hits a certain wavelength of sound to it, and so understanding that it's probably not juveniles that use infrasound, and it's not all adults who can do it in the sasquash community.

10:18 They have to have a certain length focal cored, a certain size voice box, they have to have a certain lung capacity, and it could even depend upon the atmosphere pressure and humidity as well. And then with a human being able to hear it or be able to respond to it, even if it's just physically, they have to have a certain tolerance within their ear drum to a particular frequency. Not all humans will react to it, some of them. It's just reaction that they'll never sense. With some people that are hypersensitive to it, and if a sound comes towards them, that's eight point five ten Hurtz eleven point five. All of a sudden, they will feel it.

11:02 They will feel it physically, some people they won't. So it all depends each person is each human is distinctly individual in these sasquatches, distinctly individualized. But however, it's probably adults that are capable of doing that, at least so far. That's what's been shared with me in the with large mammals, with those interviewing those two PhD folks, that it's the adults that use that. It's not small young young ones, juveniles. It's only the adults, and it's not all adults. You'll have one tiger who can do it, or one whale that can do it, but maybe others won't. And so I've just been applying that data and trying it out in the field. Like I said, out of eight situations where I've had the meter set up perfect, where the weather was perfect, people around me to witness it the time, four out of eight of those times I was able to detect infrasound before the squatch made itself physically known to us, which leads me to the scene that perhaps they're using it more often than what we are aware of.

12:15 They could be using it as a form of communication between themselves, or for example, the older dominant male of a clan or pod could be calling the kids, Hey, mom, it's time for dinner or whatever. I mean that jokingly, but this could be their way of communicating the parts of the clan don't know. It needs a lot more work, a lot more data, but it seems to be a pretty positive direction with that. I feel like this is this could it either is or it will lead to Like how we've been I feel like we've been wanting a big breakthrough and this is the way to know, to actually know if there's an adult sasquatch in the area. Now, it can't juveniles.

13:01 It sounds like, probably don't use infrasound, but if there's an adult sasquatch, you can know it's actually there. That's amazing, exactly exactly. Again, it's not proven. It's just four out of eight times when I've been able to set up the equipment and had optimum conditions, it's proven successful. Fifty percent of the time so far, I just keep at it, I keep working at it, and there could be a paper down the road for me to submit. But right now that's where it seems unleading me. I have also detected since our last discussion, we had some unique experiences and they also involved infrasound and how it was deployed on an expedition in Ohio.

13:46 The expeditions, I should back up and say that the expeditions I participate in are generally south of the Pennsylvania border and on both sides of the Appalachia Mountains all the way to Georgia, and I pretty much consider that my study area. A latest expedition Ohio, one of our very popular ones. We get a lot of results out there, a lot of interaction if that's something you ever decided someone would want to do as soon as to see those things notified to the public, get your paperwork in because it feels quite rapidly anyhow, taken out a group of people on night ops and myself and another investigator came up with a strategy we wanted to try. You got to remember the BFR has a duel mission. One is public awareness, but the other one is collecting data and so we came up with a plan where we know we've had interaction in the past multiple times, and we purposely set a group right there and made a small base camp, and my other field partner, investigator, she would circle out at about a half mile and she would call blast different previously recorded suspected saspart sounds, and we did that for a couple hours and then we put everything quiet, lo and behold.

15:15 About a half hour later, this is about midnight. We made sure we were a cold, no fire, small little base camp right there. Big for society who will be right back after these messages. Had ten people with me, a very large group, but that was planned. And so we started hearing footsteps at about thirty thirty five yards on a small knoll that was about forty by fifty yards inside and at the top.

16:02 The knoll was no more than eight to nine feet tall. So I had this little mound covered with dense trees, and also we could hear bipedal footprints in and out of the ground. Clutter. Okay, this is getting favorable. So I deployed two people out to the east about one hundred yards, had them set their chairs up and have white headlamps but not turn them on, and so these footsteps still continued back and forth. We heard some grunts, some heavy breathing. Okay, this is really favorable, so real quick, I deployed six people to my west and they slowly circled out behind this knoll. I think you here, I'm going with this setting up. Any marine would recognize it. We're setting up an ambush and set people space themselves apart. The hominids was still pacing back and forth. That was getting more excited.

17:04 The grunts are coming more often. We can hear hissing. It sounded like had beat me his fist against tree. All sudden we spotted on two different fleers, got great flear video of it, and we got audio recorders going. And this thing is starting. This homonid now starting to panic. We hear it running back and forth, it's hissing, it's growling, and we haven't totally surrounded in an area a little bit smaller than half of the football field at that time. Once we had it surrounded, the two people that are out to my right that we're seeing the chairs, I told him turn on you white headlamps and start walking towards the middle of the knoll, we're gonna flush this thing out. So we executed the encirclement and we're gonna flush it out. And just as they started walking in with white headlamps, the guy standing next to me offerating the Flear starts saying, marsha, I hear something saying hey, hey, hey, hey, what do you mean?

18:11 I just hear it? Do you hear it? And I said no. The hair went back, went up in the back of my neck, on my arms, and something told me that this wasn't right. I called everyone in. I said, everyone for them up a circle. Let the squatch pass. It was probably six feet not quite six and a half when we went back to measure in the daylight the next morning. We let it pass, so it ran. In retrospect. We learned that was probably not a smart thing to do to encircle and entrap a young Sasquatch. I hope none of the listeners out there attempt to do that. So this was a Saturday night. We got everyone back to our little temporary base camp and we all congratulate each other. We all reviewing the Flear footage. We can see the conical shape of the head. We can see the fur we had great images in the fleer and so, but the floorest was just dead quiet, not a cricket, not a frog, not a bird, nothing.

19:13 So we stayed for. About another half hour and it got late, and so let's go back to base camp. Everyone has to pack out in the morning because at nine o'clock is when the expedition is officially over. So we go back to base camp. And the general rule of thumb is at that particular expedition where we set up at we have consistent interactions at night between two and six in the morning with the young juveniles. There two, three, four of them. They typically run through camp. They joshill ice chest. They'll stand by your tent and push on the sides. It's pretty common, pretty innocuous, nothing harmful, nothing aggressive. But as teenagers exploring and so, we learned to expect that's going to happen. But that particular night, nothing occurred. Completely dead quiet, not an owl, not a frog the entire night. Myself and four other investigators. We typically will rent the group camp area for another day or two beyond the expedition because we want to see what happens after the main group leaves. We want to see what transpires so we help people get packed and leave, and we do a cleanup, and we wanted to look nice. We don't want rangers.

20:42 I think that we're leaving a mess behind, and so we do that. We go get lunch and come back. Now it's about six o'clock. We run over real quick where we had the encounter the night before. We take some quick measurements to a reenactment. We placed someone next to this one tree that there's a definite branch, and we've got a measurement. And et cetera. So we get back that's about all quarter seven, and we're talking about maybe ordering food later and finding convenience spot to go pick it up. There's five of us and one of the people in our group. She decides to walk back towards her tent, walk past the pit toilets about all good hundred one hundred and ten yards away, just slightly around the corner. Now it's still daylight out and she comes walking back and she's here something paralleling her in the tree line. This is really an uncommon behavior there. We never have action during the day, especially in your base camp. But she walks up, she visits the pit toilet and she's doing her business and she can hear something behind the facility is actually touching the wood of the pit toilet. And she finishes her business and she comes out. She looks over her left shoulder.

22:10 There's a large male black fur squatch, taller than the pit toilet building wider, standing there. She sees him. He immediately goes to all fours. We suspect he's going to pounce. She goes running and screaming up the hill towards the other the rest of us screaming what she just saw. Three of us we go walking down towards that pit toilet. We want to see what the. Heck scared her, and so we can hear something moving in the tree line. It's heavy. The force there is dense and we can hear it. It sounds this wheezing sound like a cross wheezing and a donkey brain, so to speak.

22:58 But it's heavy. We don't see anythings. We go back up to this little plateau area where some of us are camped, and we made the decision that this behavior was very aggressive. To have an adult come out during the day to stalk and potentially pounce on someone that wasn't behavior that was common. So we decided to put our tear drop trailers in tents and whatnot in a circle on this little plateau area and wait the night out and see what would happen. So we did. It got dark, we would hear thumps in the forest.

23:40 It would sound like someone was taking a large excavator and slamming a bucket into the ground, and you would hear and feel this loud boom, and it would happen on multiple sides. We would hear an owl, the oddest, weirdest owl caols you can imagine, along with tree knocks all around us all night. One of the investigators, she didn't live too far from there. She had to be work at nine in the morning on Monday morning, so we had to get her out of there by five. So we adopted the plan that no one goes anywhere by themselves. Because the BFRO expedition was over with, we all armed up, obviously, and so we didn't let anyone be by themselves, and so we all woke up about five in the morning. We got this other investigator packed up, her tent folded up, got her in her car, and another investigator followed her out. So they left, et cetera.

24:38 They didn't encounter anything on the drive out, and so the rest of us we're going to it's still dark out. We're going to go back to sleep. So I'm the only one in the tent. The others are any these small tear drop trailers. And it's about an hour later, maybe fifteen minutes later. The moon is quite bright. I can see anything that would cast a shadow back in my tent. It would come up really bright and lit my hold. I hear something very heavy out to the right, and I see a shadow pass by the back of my tent. Now that back of my tent. I sleep in an eight foot by sixteen foot tent that's seven foot four in the center, and I did it so that the edge would be right at the lip of the downgrade. There's this minor road behind my tent that's two and a half feet down. So whatever walk back behind my tent casting a shadow that went over my tent. You figure there's almost ten foot of elevation change it cast a shadow. I waited a little bit longer. I clicked on my radio. Hey guys, I got shadows behind my tent. And they open their doors and they're looking out. They're trying to say a thing of film something or something there. Okay, they go back in their trailers. Half hour later, same shadow returns and

26:08 I see a hand pushing against the long side of the back of the tent, and they're walking as they run their hand across the full length of my tent. At that point, I'm on the radio. Guys, that's right here, is pushing through my tent. You got to see something. One of them that was covering the other side of my tent, at least visually. He was totally asleep, and we found footprints. We heard it going through the brush. But these are obvious signs of very aggressive behavior. And so soon it got daylight. Even though we had that group campsite rented for another night, we thought the better part of valor was to leave and hindsight and furnt of the discussions in me this may have been a retaliation by the rental or the dad or mom or whatever, the juvenile that we had encountered and then trapped for a brief period of time that Saturday night. Very strongly possibility, that's what this was. This was a retaliatory act of intimidation, and it was specified against those of us that were there Saturday night. A few observations from that. They recognized who we were, they were able to distinguish us from other humans, and it acted in a very forceful manner.

27:36 No juveniles, all adults, and that was a pretty good learning experience. I would agree with you that I'd almost put money on it. That was a retaliatory, a move based on how you guys really not on. You weren't didn't have anything bad by meaning anything bad by it, but you had that juvenile surrounded. That's an incredible weekend. How big were the footprints that you guys saw approximately? Okay, the footprint for the juvenile or for the adult. For the adult, I guess, oh, we do both, but I'm curious more. Okay, for the adult. In behind the pit toilet, there's two of them. Where it had a pitched roof. The back end of the pitched roof was eight and a half feet, where the front part of the pitch roof was almost ten It was nine ten inches. And the investigator came out of the pit toilet, looked over the shoulder, and the top of the head was higher than the pit toilet in that specific area. Even though the leaves were wet and dry leaves and wet leaves on top of a hard surface. However, you could see where it had been disturbed, and they would have been anywhere between sixteen and eighteen inches in length, and where it ducked down into the tree line and further down the slope there were actual slide marks that were probably two or three feet long going down the slope. Now for the juvenile,

29:08 where we did where we were looking at the trees, where the flear showed their head equal with a particular branch or whatever, we did find one footprint and it was ten and a half inches long. It's extremely interesting. Okay, so yeah, the sixteen that's about the size that we found out in Oregon this summer. That's really interesting. Yeah. Did you were you able to use your the spectral analyzer tool at all that weekend? Yeah? Just by coincidence. When that investigator came running up away from the pit toilet, you can tell she's obviously in shock. There was grouf of sitting in a small circle, and I had all my equipment spread out set up, and when myself and twoe of investigators started walking towards her, the other person sitting there said, all the equipment. White line are red lined, and some of them the screens went totally white, just off the scale.

30:11 Big for Society will be right back after these messages. Now, on the spectrum analyzer, we recorded two infrasound traces, one at eight point five hurts in the other at eleven herts, and they alternated, so something would sound or broadcast at eight point five and then there would be a response at eleven eight point five and a response at eleven and that continued throughout most of the night, where it's my assumption that two of them were communicating two different wavelengths back and forth between us. Now, we did have one of the investigators feel slight vertico upset stomach, a little bit of nausea that could have been a slight zapping effect, probably hypersensitive to one of those frequency ranges.

31:25 But it was rather obvious in the trace that I recorded that there were two distinct, distinct sources of infrasound that were alternating back and forth, one from the north and one from the southwest. And so that was really unique to have had that because I have had recordings where I'm sitting on night ops and having the person sitting to my right about a foot away, and we're fleering a squatch at about thirty yards squash zap. The guy sitting next to me to my right, I felt nothing, and I have all my meters out and I'm being able to detect that EMF was at about seventy micro tesla EMR. We were talking between zero point eight and point nine micro svils and you're seeing ten point two five hurts and you're seeing all this happen. And the guy next to me, he's vomiting, his eyes are dilated, he can't even sit straight in the cherries, falling to the ground because he's been zapped so hard. But it didn't affect anyone. So that data, I thought was extremely important in helping me narrow what the heck's going on.

32:46 It's so fascinating. It's like you could almost if you keep getting all this data, you could almost make a data bank or data set of what type of infrasound is used in certain situations. Exactly, or if anything. Imagine having a little detector on the side of your backpack that when it flashes red a census infrasound. Perhaps there's a squashneer you within seventy five hundred yards, even though the range could whales can communicate over miles. Right now, I'm just working with terrestrial level hominids. I don't want to try to deal with a whale. But yeah, it's an ongoing project I'm working on.

33:31 There are other. Things that For example, we came back to that area, myself and those same investigators because we wanted to duplicate in the controlled setting what we were seeing, because you've got to remember the scientific method to be able to reproduce the same effects. And so we went back. First night, a little bit of juvenile action, the second night, no juveniles. All of a sudden, it's like the adults recognize who's there. And now the interaction I can't explain some of it. We have our tents and trailers set up that each person can watch another, so I can see the people down below me, the people behind me can see me, and we all have radios on. We intentionally go to bed at like midnight, and we stay awake, and all of a sudden, our radios stop working. The screens just start flashing, even though they're fully charged. They start flashing. My equipment, my EMR data, my EMF, those meters died. Others observing my tent saw small white orbs buzzing my tent for a good two or three minutes, and it looked like someone was walking in the forest with a flashlight. And then it would go away now or later it would come back. We've had in that same situation guys windows to his truck that are electronic

35:02 go up and down by themselves, as if we were hit with a small EMP type effect. All the electronics went out, cell phones had to be reset, powered down, powered back on. Radios would not work. And this is for a period of about forty forty five minutes. So here we have no juveniles the same area, big tall, black mail black fur males, and all of a sudden, now we're having this EMP style attack on our electronics and they're they're thumping. They sound like a really bad imitation of an owl. We unzip a tent and the owl starts hooting repeatedly. You go back in your tent, rezip your tent, the hooting stops, and the other thing that was quite odd is at four point thirty more, while all this has taking place, a helicopter goes by real slow at about four hundred feet HL and goes slowly over, our camp goes on continuously. All of a sudden, all that electronic stuff stopped. Everything came back on, everything worked perfect. Get home and I find that the keybop from my car, the batteries and both the keybops are dead.

36:25 The keybob from ahomele arm system on the keychain is dead. I get all of them replaced. This research requires a lot more work. But that's just an example of some things that happened on expeditions that just simply cannot explain and requires more research. And it happens on a regular basis. That's absolutely And that's all on just the one Ohio expedition during this last year. Now further, the other thing that had occurred I never fit personally experienced before in Tennessee on the expedition, and I'd done a presentation there and the dues and don'ts of what enough to do during night ops, trying to share what had happened in Ohio.

37:15 Don't do that, and we go out. We're in smaller groups, four or five instead of ten, and we're sitting in a real good hot spot next to a creek. And I'd send out a team of two people out to my right. They'd go down. About one hundred yards, take a left and go to the creek. They would do tree knocks or they do rock clacking, and we'd get a response pretty quick. We would hear footsteps in the forest, we'd get a responding tree knock, et cetera. At one point I brought everyone back. We're sitting around in a circle, a good mood out. So it's dark. What we could see in about eight to ten feet behind the guy directly sitting in front of me. I see over his head in the tree line what looks like rhododendrons or whatever. Eye shine that close. And I'm telling the guy, you know what, I got eye shine behind you, and he's saying, what should they do? Then go get up very slowly and just walk towards me, And all of a sudden we get a garbage smell, the wet dog, and boom, the eye shine's gone. Okay, so we let that rest for about ten minutes, and okay, we're going to send out another group, this time to my left. You get out about seventy eighty one hundred yards.

38:33 I want to do some rock clacks, do a tree knock and see if we can garner in action closer to where we're seated, and they go out again, we get a responding tree knock. We can hear walking around in the forest behind us, so this time it sounds like we hear like a young girl giggling, really odd, never heard that before, and get some verb vocalizations like a little girl giggling, and then we hear what sounds like the clearing of a throat, maybe a growl. Okay, guys come on back. So we're all sitting there, so wait a little bit, nothing else happens.

39:15 Okay, so we send another group bout to the right. It seems like we send out a group, they do a tree knocker rock lack and we get a response. So this time they go out, and myself and one other person is sitting there and over my left shoulder, I hear whispers like I'm asking the person I'm with do you hear that? And they're saying, no, I don't hear a thing, And you're sure you don't hear whispers? They go, no, I'm hearing. Like that. Okay, So a moment or two later I hear whispering again, and then all of a sudden, I hear marciaps, I hear my name called. I jumped up out of that chair and turned around. I'm looking behind trees. I'm walking into the tree line ten twenty feet. I'm trying to look to see what's there. And the person I'm sitting there with didn't hear a thing. So I guess that's my first experience with what's called mind speak. I cannot explain it. I don't know if I can recreate it in a laboratory, but I know what I heard, and more importantly, I know that they didn't hear it.

40:33 I know I did. Shortly after that, I got everyone back, everything stopped, the squatches that were in and around us, they did one set of rock clocks, and then they stopped. They laid low in place, and about a half hour later we packed up our chairs and went back to base camp. So that was rather odd. That entire expedition there in Tennessee a wonderful time. It's fully catered, great people, great presenters. They had a great class a sighting from pretty close distance. Some paranormal stuff potentially going on. I can't speak too much to that, But and then I had that occurrence of rock clacks in mind speak. That was pretty I'm still trying to figure that out.

41:21 Now, that's a whole different line that is crossed when you start to experience that. I would imagine it sounds like tying back in with the Ohio expedition. Yeah, that individual that heard the hey, hey did they say if they heard it inside their head or they heard it audibly using their ears. They thought everyone could hear it, just like what I had experienced, but no one heard it. Other than them. But to them, I'll just say that person's name this Tom for convenience. Tom said it sounded like, yeah, everyone could hear it. I can hear it out loud, but it was only in his head that he heard it.

42:05 And there's no one There were three other people other than myself, so a total of five people. No one heard a thing, just the squatch going back and forth through occasional hissing and growling, the beating on the side of a tree, which is really strange. He thought maybe we'd get some hair from that didn't happen, But he Tom, he heard it quite clearly. And so here I am. A month or so later, all of a sudden, I hear something that only I can hear, so I thought that was really unique. That's really weird, but also very cool at the same time. A few questions I'll ask I pretty much all know that I know the answers, but for the sake of the listeners. So you mentioned that there was some really awesome flear footage or thermal footage that was captured in Ohio.

42:54 Is there a place where people can view that footage? You gotta understand that he participants, including the investigators, we signed a non disclosure agreement with the organization. All evidence footage, et cetera, is property the BFRO unless I had permission directly from that moneymaker himself, and I'd want it in writing. Just to protect me and him, I can't share anything. And it wasn't on my fleer unit. It was someone else's fleer unit, and they would run the video again and pass around you. You could watch it through the eyepiece, but it wasn't on my flear itself. Gotcha. That includes if someone, let's say, if they were to get a photo during an expedition, if it's like dead on not blurry, then that's under the NDA. Or if there's like video that's captured that.

43:43 Period is yeah, is, but you know what, it's your camera. You're at home a hundred two hundred three hundred miles away and you're showing it to your wife or your kids, or your grandparent whatever, and you go, see, that's what I saw. I can't attest to that, but I do know that it is my general opinion and spending practice. Anything we gather out there is property the BFRO and I have no heartache with that. That's who's sponsoring it, that's whose name and flag we're flying under, and who puts us in that position to be able to gather that data. Absolutely the thing people have to You know, I'm talking to someone outside the organization because I'm not a member of it, but just from what I've heard how it works.

44:28 You have to realize that there's a lot of work that goes into setting up these expeditions. Sometimes you're even on private property of people that live there and you're able to have that access, which is pretty crazy. You have to imagine we have to acquire insurance and if some instances, permits from local governing agencies in National Park Service or the dn R or whomever, and we have to have liability insurance and then we have to make sure there's restrooms, there's an em tea presence, and if it's catered, we're bringing in people to cook for us. Firewood for firewood is not cheap, especially when you have to have it delivered twenty miles inside of forest, and so all that costs money.

45:17 Big for society will be right back after these messages. Investigators do not get paid to be there. We pay a fee to be there as well the coordinator. They typically break even or they're out of pocket a little bit on Moost expeditions. This is done out of love and a natural curiosity. We in the field do not make a penny from this.

46:00 It is definitely the people involved. From just talking to more than a few investigators, they definitely do love the subject. You can tell they are very much into it. It would be cool one day if we've got all the UFO uIP disclosure. But how cool would it be if one day the BFRY was able to get all this evidence together and they're like, yeah, let's put it out there. And maybe that would be totally not what the organization would want to do, but it would be pretty cool at least from my views. Yes, it would be. Based on what I've seen, an experience, and based what I've talked to people whom I trust, I believe that there's probably agents within National Park Service or National Apartment of Agriculture whomever. They probably have proof positive knowledge of this.

47:01 That's my opinion. It's not the opinion of the BFRO. That's just my own personal opinion. I believe that there is government agencies or an agency that has proof positive. That's my personal opinion, and interviewing discussing this topic with others, I can't prove it. I have no communication, no emails on nothing. It's just my spidy sense telling me that something this obvious, this big, go unknown, especially when you see vast tracts of force next to military installations that are monitored from deeps, that are monitor from space with seismic sensors and satellite equipment that can pick up a cockroach on a log, or pick up a different colored mushroom growing on a tree. They've probably spotted something, ohsutely, I believe.

48:01 So I've had I can also I can say one hundred percent yes, because I've had at least two or three you could call them park rangers that have reached out to me from places like the Smokies over the last year. However, once you come back to them and you're like, I would need you to be able to either prove some stuff or sign some stuffy they just a communication goes dead. But it is getting to the point where I know sheriffs that are listening, I know deputies that are listening, and I think in the next few years it's just going to get bigger and bigger.

48:41 I absolutely have a feeling about that. I agree. I believe that the quotas of the truth is out there. And just recently here in South Carolina, and we have a report filed by a retired law enforcement officer, high degree of integrity, everything on private property, no stick in the fire as to some form of benefit class A thirty forty feet, a good three four five second interchange eye to eye, and the squash walks off. And that's the center of South Carolina. Now, the ongoing theory is this is probably a traveling male majority of the time eighty five nine percent of the time, the ones that travel long distance or males young adult males, and it's the females that don't travel too far from the family pod or clan because they'll meet a male from a nearby clan and reproduce quite similar to the same pattern as you would have with baboons or gorillas.

49:44 The males are the ones that end up. Getting pushed out and they travel and to find another clan to join, or they find a female. But the females normally travel. They notice all the reports. It's not I saw a female across the highway with two juveniles. It's not we don't have a female going tree to tree with the juvenile hanging around her neck. No, it's a male, but they see No. Absolutely, yeah, that pretty makes sense. I would say ninety nine percent of the accounts. I get that. Yes, absolutely on board with what you're saying. That's definitely seems to be the case. Marcia. Have you ever gotten how something happen during an expedition where you record audio that seems to be almost I'm trying to think of how to I've been talking to David Ellis about this where it's almost like a precursor to language.

50:41 Yeah, we had, like I said that one it sounded like a young girl chattering or high pitched talking. We hear something where it's not quite a gral It's not quite someone speaking the King's English, but it's something. It's a vowel constant combination that's unique. He wouldn't hear in the wild, and then obviously hearing mind speak having actual words spoken. But we've had recordings. I've seen people with great audio equipment, a lot of expensive stuff recording, and all of a sudden they're listening and they're going, hey, wow, I just heard this. And in the morning they get up to run it through their laptop and the whole thing, the whole little SIM card is empty.

51:38 I can't explain that. I don't know. I know, I'm sitting there with them, going wow, what was that? And but in the morning the sim card's empty. There are so many things that happen in this field. The further you get into it, that it's just unexplainable. The weird sace happens, and you just have to keep going. And I've only done a few, You've done so many, But it's like you just have to keep going because then you've got the biggest mystery in the world in front of you. Exactly me, I get the personal enjoyment. I'm trying to resolve this question. I have in my head and doing it so it's credible and it's reproducible in a controlled setting or laboratory. But there's also an element to it that this is a passion of mine, as it is with other investigators, and the enjoyment we get taking people out and seeing their reaction for the first time. And they hear a stick break, then they hear footprints, and then they hear a growl, or they hear a tree knock and you go here, take the stick or hit the tree, and they hit the tree and whatever it is a gen a tree knock responds to them. And seeing that look in their eyes and experiencing that with them when they see it and feel it for the first time. I enjoy that as well. Being able to

53:08 share this with someone for the first time. That is very special. I agree. Any other things that come to mind about things that happened that we're out of the ordinary on expeditions, I want to make sure that you share everything that you came to share. Yeah, we've been trying out new radios. We get in a lot of areas where there's a lot of hills, et cetera, and where radio reception is not always the best and going out with perfectly good radios and all of a sudden, if they don't go dead, then all of a sudden, the screen flashes and you hear sounds like like a pilot talking to air traffic control tower and then moon the thing. The screen flashes and boom, it's back. Then again, that's happened a few times now.

54:05 Someone suggested if you were close to a portal. I don't buy that there has been. I typically do the background research before we go out on an expedition. There's one area that we go to that seems to be a very prominent magnetic anomaly in the area that we're taking the expeditions too, and where we're experiencing orbs, different colors, different behaviors. We've experienced gosh or like a better terminology, I'm going to say, a dark figure. We're sitting in a. Field, there's a great vision, don't need a fire, you got nice moonlight, and you're looking into a stand of trees thirty forty feet away, pretty close, and you see something dark moving through the trees.

54:56 So you pick up your flair and you look at it and it's dark. It's black. You check your fleers it's set a white hot or black hot or whatever. And you say, okay, it's white hot. You look up again and it's pacing back and forth and it's black. You mentioned it to other people with you, and they're picking up their fleears, some of them like five thousand dollars pulsars, and they're looking and it's black. It's moving back and forth. It seems to hover over the ground, clutter. No feet. You can see the arm swing, the head movement, the body movement, and it's black. It's the same temperature as the trees and the rocks. It's black. It's cold, but it's moving around, back and forth. We get up and you know what, anyone want to go with me? Typically not to be people volund here to walk with me to go confront it. So I get I convinced two people to go with me, and we walk out towards it, and just the materializes instantaneously.

55:55 Oh gone. Now. This was a small out cropper trees between three farmers' fields and on the one side is an early nineteenth century graveyard with about forty gravestone headstones in it. These are all people who died from disease and whatnot. Back in the eighteen thirties and forties. I'm not saying that it's a ghost. I'm just saying that we had the movement of a figure that was that showed black cold on three separate fleers, six people watching it all at the same time, no sound, and it's moving back and forth and it's cold, no key signature at all. I can't explain that.

56:47 Wow, that is extremely strange. Yeah, yeah, so what do you do? We put it in the notes. A lot of people don't know this. After every expedition, there's one overall master report filed of all the activity that took place during that expedition and at people's statements, et cetera, and we put it all into our we have a private database that the public is not aware of, and so it goes in there and this is what we experience and this is what we saw, and it's just it's one of those things. I'm not going to claim it's one thing or another. We can just simply state here's what we observed, here's what the instrumentation said, and we're going to put it in that file with other such occurrences and see what pops out.

57:40 Absolutely, and I just want to make sure listeners know like everything that you're sharing has pretty much been cleared for you to share like it. It's like, yeah, no, I would not do that. I thoroughly believe in the people of the BFRO. I believe in the organization. Otherwise I wouldn't attach my name to it. I know there's soothsayers out there in at any given time, I'm willing to discuss it with them as adults. However, believe in its people in the mission, and obviously I can't discuss the exact locations, I can't use people's names, etc. Again, Remember, the mission of the BFRO one is public awareness, amongst other things, and that's.

58:25 What we do. We want people to be aware that these living, breathing, pooping, reproducing bipedal animals are in the woods. We want people to know that, and we try to make them aware of it, and when we do expeditions, we're trying to make them aware of it from a safe distance in a safe setting. However, these are an animal. These are something that's potentially the biggest, most dangerous thing in North America. Ten feet on thousand pounds. You're talking bigger than a grizzly bear in some instances, and they're educated the high level of intellect. They can use tools, they can plan out ambushes and manipulate you. So that in itself should speak to a level of danger that is potential. And that's why we do things in a group.

59:22 We do things safely, in a controlled setting, so that no one's off on their own and where there's a potentiality of maybe someone being ambushed that we would not do that at all with somebody. I think that's really cool you have an EMT there as well. Just I've heard over the years, you guys are going into intense situations and it's good to have a health professional there that can address some of these things you hear come up. Well, we've had someone slip and break an ankle, or someone gets stung by a bee down the floor of someone and stepped in a red ant hill, got multiple stings from red ants. All kinds of natural hazards that occur in the forests, and that's all natural. It's all something that's going to occur. However, at least there's someone there.

1:00:17 If you get a tick on you, hey show someone, Yeah, we have someone there. They know how to safely remove it. ET cetera. Big for society will be right back after these messages. That's not that we're offering ambulatory medical service, just there's someone there that's knowledgeable, they're a licensed person, and just a higher level of care and professionalism.

1:00:58 On BF Harbal's. Part, I'm sure I'm going to bring this up because I don't want to get a ton of emails about it, because I know there's going to be a ton of emails about it because of that that instrument that you brought up earlier, that you've pretty much come up with that is not available to the public. That is just something that you've created yourself, and it's like very early stag. Imagine if you've got a power supply that you're willing to walk around and carry with you. Yeah, you could probably come up with your own that's not so super high TechEd that you need Elon Musk to design it for you. It's just taking technology from different fields and putting together and using it for another application. Not every expedition has access to that type of technology. It's just the ones that I go to or participate in as a team leader. Otherwise you're not going to have that. Likewise, there are some people starting to convince them to carry EMF meters or electromagnetic radiation meters with them, and they're having some good data being observed, especially cloudless nice Also on EMF meter goes ay wire goes off the charts and they see a silhouette move across between cars.

1:02:24 What does it mean? I don't know. Can I reproduce it? Maybe? But it's just curious. But at least the awareness is there that maybe we need up our game and start collecting scientific data from meters that are reproducible. That's really interesting is there are those meters that you can probably get for relatively cheap or is it a little bit of investment to get those? Now, you can get a quality Trifield meter for well, probably the most expensive one I've seen about one hundred and twenty five dollars. But you can go on eBay or Amazon and get an EMF meter for twenty twenty five dollars. You can get an EMR. You want something with a Catho tube in it, that's going to be a little bit more pricey. That's seventy five to one hundred dollars. Now, if you want to create your own spectrum analyzer, audio spectum analyzer that use the DC power that you can carry on your back. I got to create that one. That's the old the Ghostbusters unregistered nuclear device backpack.

1:03:30 But it can be done. If you have that intent, you will do it. Is that really? What it looks like when you're carrying it around is like Ghostbusters down. Yes, that's awesome. Yeah, see with us, we got a night ops. I'm the team lead. I have a backpack that has an expanded first aid kit. I have extra water for people. I carry the radio, I have notebooks. Then I have my instrument backpack. I have a chair like I see so oh buggered down. Well, all these backpacks of the equipment and obviously safety equipment as well, you got to have that takes priority. Like I said, an extended first aid kit and you got extra water, radio, that kind of stuff. But yeah, I've got this big backpack of equipment with me that I'm talking along as well, that weighs about thirty pounds.

1:04:21 That's awesome. And then I sit, we sit, I mean everyone I do the SATMO. Everyone sits in a circle. I will face north and then everyone sits around me. What point of the compass you are facing there's nothing more frustrating sitting in complete darkness. And so did you hear that? Over there? You played a twenty question game. Where did you hear it? What did you hear? How far away was it? No, we got to use our grown up communication skills. I heard something to the northeast about twenty five yards four or five car links or whatever, wherever method of measurement works best for you. And I heard a tree break, I heard a growl. So getting people accustom to communicate that way. And while we're doing that, I'm taking notes.

1:05:08 I prefer as a team need to take the notes. And I have all these meters on the ground spread out around me, and so I'm observing those as I'm writing down all the experiences for those people around me, and I'm trying to guide them. That's okay, believe it or not. What you're hearing is a toad or a frog crow, that's not a sasquatch getting ready to get you, you know, Or was that an owl or was that a bigfoot or was that a crow? Whatever. So I'm also directing that part of the night off as well, and then reacting to the opportunities that come up or hear footprint, hear footsteps over to the left, and all of a sudden, you get a tree knock to the right, and Okay, here's what we're going to do.

1:05:55 I want someone to go do a tree knock right over there. Boom, and everyone hear that. Okay, so you're on a radio, you announce all the other teams you've just done a tree knock, so they don't think it's a big foot And so there's a lot that's involved with leading a team out in the field. But yeah, I had that big sack of equipment that's on my back, and I said, it takes me a good fifteen minutes and everything's set up. That's awesome, Marsha. Maybe someday I'll be able to check things out and go on an expedition myself. We'll see if listeners are thinking, man, this sounds pretty cool. I might want to check this out for myself. What are ways that they can look further into maybe going on one of these expeditions themselves.

1:06:42 One of the first things I would share with them is go to BFRO dot net. Check out the website. You'll see, let's hand side, there's a list of states that show the dates for expedition in those respective states, and it gives you a description of how about submitting your paperwork and whatnot, what your fees may be. Remember these they cost money to put these on. And then we have a database for you to look at reports throughout the entire United States, all broken down all the way to your county. You can see, hey, two thousand and three, there was someone heard how or nineteen ninety seven someone had a class A sighting over behind the Walmart or something. But you'll see we have a very extensive database there and we have recordings. We have the Ohio Hall, we have the Sierra Sounds. So you can go through and look at our database, our library of information and interviews.

1:07:43 And if going an. Expedition, we're assuming you've been camping before, but that shouldn't win you if you haven't shared I've never camped before, but I'd like to do this. Hey got a dozen people that have been over backwards to tell you how to do it. We have a suggest to the list of equipment and they want to bring does some meaning you have to, but we recommend it. And if it's something where if you need a four wheel drive vehicle, is a travel trailer permitted, or it is a two wheel drive to get to it. It's been my experience in most expeditions you don't need four wheel drive. You can drive right to the main campsite, the base camp with your car and set up your ten et cetera.

1:08:25 So that's not a problem. But it starts with b f ro o dot net and just check it out. That's awesome. And lastly, if there are some listeners that want to try to reach out to you to talk about things you're talking about, or maybe your instrument tool that you've been putting together, anything like that, is there a way people can reach out to you, Marsha. They're welcome to email me at Marcia W. Clark one one at yahoo dot com. That's n A R s ah A w C l A r k E one one yahoo dot com. Got to be polite, got to be a grownup, got to be scientifically inclined. If it's just something to bash me, then I'll block you absolutely.

1:09:12 And we're all adults here, we think that would be common sense. But it's good. Good to bring that up. Marcia. It's always fun to have you on the show. You always share some amazing things from the BFRO and your personal research. Thank you again for coming on the show. You're very welcome. We've at the end of the season time but holidays, and I'll be picking it back up out in the forest probably February and going off from there. It looks like I'm on schedule for right now. I know of seven expeditions that I will be on, and I usually lead three or four private ones of small groups as well, and so maybe I'm bump into someone.

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