Adam Davies Reveals Tennessee’s Darkest Bigfoot Secrets | Red Eyes, Roars & Smoky Mountain Encounters

0:00 You're listening to bigflet Society, and I'm Jeremiah Byron. In this show, we go beyond the campfire stories to bring you first hand encounters from people who say they've seen something impossible. From backwoods trails and remote mountain haulers to quiet farms and crowded highways. The stories come from everywhere, and each one leaves us with more questions than answers. These are the. Voices of the people who've lived it. To settle in, because today you'll hear another account that just might change the way you see the woods forever. So stay with us, all right. Big Foot Society, We've got a special episode with a friend, Adam Davies here. Adam is a explorer, a bigfoot guy, but he's been all over the world. But welcome to the show, Adam. How are you today?

0:47 Very good? Thank you, Thank you for having me. Jeremiah, absolutely we are having you on the show specifically to talk about some stuff that's going on in the Smoky Mountains to do with bigfoot. But I do want to also point out a few other things about Adam. There's so many stories that one could go into when talking to yourself, Adam, I think and we're not going to go into all those stories. Say. In fact, I'm going to list a few interviews that are my favorite of all time that have to do with you and I am talking about Oregon and you know what, and so listeners, you can listen to that because that story is a whole bag of worms and whatever you say, but it is one of my favorite stories of all time. So anyways, we are, so I think it might be fun. I was just in the Smokies and the stories are coming from that. Listeners, don't worry.

1:40 But I had the privilege of stopping into the Bigfoot in the Smoky Store in Townsend, and Adam's there, Adams hanging out, He's waiting for everyone to come in and talk to him about Bigfoot, and that story is probably I would say, I've been in a few Bigfoot stores. It is the best selection of Bigfoot merchandise I've ever seen. And that's putting myself on the line saying that, no, thank you and. Thank you, and I appreciate that. I mean, I manage it. I don't own it, but we try our very best there and I do think it's a really good store. I'm not just saying that it has a has a lot in it. And you know, it's funny because I think of the jobs I've done, you know, when I work for the British government and then I was like doing corporate program manager stuff before then, and I'm thinking, I never if you told me, if you told me like twelve years ago, Jeremiah, I'd been running a big foot store in a town I'd never heard of. When I was when I was busy doing some of the cross examinations I used to have to do, I would have said, you know, I would have and you bet me a million dollars. I'd have lost that bet. Yeah. Here, here I am. And I'm quite a planning person, you know.

2:53 I'm not. I'm not hugely spontaneous in that way. So you just never know what's going to happen in life. It is you kind of gotta you gotta roll with the punches, and it's it sounds like you've made the best of it and you're having a good time. When I was there, you had people coming in left and right and talking to you about bigfoot, and I was like, oh man, this this guy is busy. You know. It was a good It was a good time. People should check it out if they're in the area. Thank you. That's why I'm there. I'm there because of the vibe, you know, I like. I like it. You know, when people walk in, I always say one around. And the reason I say one around is because I know it's a feel good place. So when you walk around there you see all those quirky, quirky things that are available there, it makes you feel good. You know. It's not like it's not like going to your supermarket. It's it's a completely different experience. It's a it's a fun experience, and I want people to be happy. You know, there's giant Bigfoot outside it. They'll take some pictures of that and the wood carvings afterwards that wander around and you know, and if they want to talk to me about big Foot, then I'm happy to talk to them about Big four A because I enjoy it and be it creates a good vibe. But also I get intelligence as well about anything that's happening in the smoker is which I can filter and use, and I also get some very important stories and there's some important points I want to make about though, is when you're.

4:18 Ready, absolutely something I want to make sure we talk about just to make sure that everyone hears it is let's talk about what's happening really quickly in Townsend, the Smoking Mountain Bigfoot Festival. If we could talk about that for a bit. Yeah, So Townsend has an excellent festival. There's no doubt an excellent big Foot festival. I go to a lot of festivals. I'm asked to be a speaker, and you know, I'll do about four or five a year because I like to be out researching and I like to do that. Townsends is really good. I'm not just saying that. And they've been good, the John the family that run it at Selecting, you know some good speakers. I spoke last year and I was the MC last year. This year I'm focusing on running the store. But the speakers this year include Mariaanare and russ A Cord from Expedition Bigfoot.

5:14 You've also got the Mountain Monsters who were very nice people, very very nice people. What's the guy with the What's the guy with the dungarease called the denims called Erryrytely. I sat with him one year at Cryptidcon after it had finished, and he's such an I mean his show isn't my personal thing, but I can see it's entertainment value. But I was he basically raised his family after he'd suffered some hardship on the basis of money for that show. So good for him, you know, good for him. So he's going to be there, Turtle Man is going to be there. I can't do his call, iss. But but the thing about that is so so when I was at the conference last year, my focus understandably is in the corner that is about the speakers. So they do have quality speakers, absolutely quality speakers, no doubt about that.

6:18 And that's where I was, and I was the MC last year. But what they have with it being a festival is they have a whole gamut of other things. Yeah, so anything from music, and the music's really good Gammons for example, excellent music. And then you've got you've got lots of great food, stools, there's even and I there's even I'm not going to wrestling. Yeah, Bigfoot is wrestling people. I feel like, you know how that would go. And and also they've got those little people wrestling that's going to go idea. But but I think I think if you go there, what you will get is a holistic experience, so you'll be able to dip into the speakers see those, but you can also see many other things. And if you're with somebody who probably wants to just enjoy the festival experience without hearing a speaker, for example, there is also plenty of other things to do. So it's a it's a good, very very very good festival. And also the people at Townsend that that that community, they're very very very nice people. It's a good community and I like being there, So the festival is excellent, very well worth going.

7:44 I would also point out, and I would be excited about this if I was there, mister Matt Prewitt is going to be there as well. Prew is going to be there fantastic and he is. He is a very cerebral researcher. He knows the stuff. What Matt knows, I think what Matt strength is in detail as well. He's very very good at detail, and that body of research is something that the community really needs. So we do a lot of field research, we do a lot of those experiences, but someone who's able to effectively gather and analyze data is intrinsically important. So what you have is a spectrum. You'll have somebody who is high energy entertaining that sort of guy like Turtle Man, and then on the other hand you'll have those people who are who are doing that quanstitative research, more of an intellectual approach, like Matt Pruitt. But that's good because that's the spectrum. That's what I mean about. You know, you have an option very much at a festival here to go and do different things according to your taste, but all of it's entertaining within that sphere, and I think that that works very well.

8:59 That is a really good combination. The other thing is if listeners, if you've never gotten the chance to go to a live event, it is different than when you're hanging out with people online. When you're actually able to talk to like minded individuals about Bigfoot. It's a really special connection. And I feel that this festival would be one of those where it would do it right. It's not an overly How many people do you expect to be in attendance for this, Adam, Well. The last one has six thousand, so I actually hear something like that or above it, you know, and on the Friday night, even on the Friday night, we've got an event. So on the Friday night at the Peaceful Side, which is is in the center of Townsend, we're having a special premiere of a film I made Call with Relic Films. Relic Films, myself, Greg, Natalie and Melissa we're going to be attending that. It's the premiere of the Van, the new film we've made it. And it's a fabulous film if you if you, I mean it's based on a couple of them. So it's set and filmed locally in towns End, in the areas, and it's about two disappearing cases, disappearing people cases Dennis Martin the six year old boy of course, who did disappeared in the sixties or in spence Field. And you know, I climbed spence Field twice as a preamble to the filming there and back.

10:33 It's a thirteen mile round trip. It's a terrible hike. I don't recommend it. It's of a place called Boat Mountains and you can see but I went there. And then of course we've got we've got Mike Heron and Mike Herons a fascinating case as well, so we contrast the two cases. So Mike Heron. He is a real estate agent and he's doing really well. It's two thousand and eight. He suddenly disappears. His wallet and his and his phone and his keys all left in his car, his ATV's in gear. They had this massive search room, including using Kadaba docs. They never found a trace of it.

11:20 And I think, without giving the film away, I feel fairly satisfied about that myself and Natalie Smith and star in it. So I have Natalie come out and helped me with the investigation, and she did an excellent job in the film. She was great. It was her first film. She did really well. And what it's about is that we go investigating these cases and Dennis Martin pretty confident. I'm satisfied in myself that I know what happened to him. Now with Mike here on in the film, we just find some massive curve ball that is so bizarre you'll never get it. And it's in the film, you know, but but I can tell you know, I mean, Greg who's the Who's who's the producer of roll? When it's going to be on TB soon, and they were jumping at it, you know, when they did the QR checks they were jumping at it. They were like, oh yeah, yeah, yeah, we'll have this, we'll have this. You know, people who review it. It's a great film. So that's going to be eight point thirty at the Peaceful Side and people can see that there if they're if they're at if they're at the festival. If you can't, you'll be able to see it on TB later or if you're there, if you're anywhere within within range of Townsend, go to the Peaceful Side that night because you'll get it will be great, fabulous, fabulous film.

12:49 Okay, so that's fantastic. So to see that film first, you can see it the Friday night. That's coming up really quick, and so stuff on Friday, stuff on Saturday, the main festivals on Saturday, right. That's right, Friday is like a preamble, so they'll Friday's the bit where with the IP people are meeting up I think and having drinks and stuff like that on the Friday night, and then after that anybody can come and see the film at eight thirty at the Peaceful Side. Then the very next day bom it's all day long in the fields in Townsend where the festival is, and it always has a good vibe to it, you know, so it's regarded as a very very strong conference.

13:36 National that's that's fantastic something I learned. We talked for a bit before I started my Smoky Mountain journey, and I learned some things about the Smoky Mountains. One didn't really know about gatlin Burg or Pigeon Forge, and wow, that's the whole deal. I never want to go through again. But the nice thing about Townsend is that it's in the foothills. You can get there easy, it's nice, it's not crazy, So I think this is the perfect place for a Bigfoot festival to be honestly. Yeah, Townsend is known as the Peaceful Side. It is very chill. But also for me, it's just a personal quirk.

14:19 I don't like big crowds, being crammed in and stuff like that. I don't hate that hate it. But the way it's set up is that there's lots of space, so even if there are a high volume of people, you can wander around. I never once felt crowded or cramped all the time I was there. Yeah, and I'm the sort of person who gets put off going to concerts and things like that because I don't like big crowds and being hammed in. Never got that. With Townsend, You've got a lot of space, a lot of although there's facilities in case it does rain, A lot of those canopy tents are there and you can wander about quite freely. Okay, awesome. So it looks like if people want to make sure you can get your tickets online, can you get them at the door?

15:04 Probably as well. Yeah, and so you can, but but you can get them online. Just go to Smoky Mountain Big Foot Festival and just do. That absolutely so you can google that or you can. It looks like you can also type in the big Fest is big the bigfest dot Com as well. Either way will work, and then you can get yourself set up and then say hi to Adam because he'll be hanging out there. I'll be at the store. I'll be in the store, so if anyone wants to come to the store, they can see me there there. You go. Okay, So, and you want you want to hit the hit up the store because it has I mean, I've been to Oregon and there's great carved wooden bigfoot out there, but man, your store has some of the best carved wooden big foot statue.

15:47 Very talented who do that? Those wood carvers, They're very very talented, and I can't believe how quickly do it. That's funny. So if you want some great bigfoot selfies, that's where you're going to get them, I think. But Adam, you were talking a bit about that. You've you've heard, You've been hearing some interesting things being based out of the smoke is you have you run into some interesting bigfoot stories or gotten involved with some bigfoot investigations over there. I do big foot investigations in the Smokies every week, every single week, probably a couple of times a week on average. You know, obviously I'm working, but sometimes I'll go after work, and sometimes I'll go on my days off.

16:38 But I'm out all the time. But like all investigations, and I think this is important before we get into the more intense stuff, I want to say this, most of the time, nothing happens, nothing happens, and that's the way it should be. You know, for weeks nothing happens. You know, it could be months before for something happens, and then several things happen in one go for some reason. You know, you're trying to work out patterns and analyzed behavior. But that's never a downer for me because because what I do is I love being out in the wilderness and nature anyway, So I'm quite happy to just be out there experiencing. It's truly wondrous. It's a very very beautiful place. But so that's where I am. But then you know, when things do happen, they've happened in sync, you know. So, yeah, when I've been out. For example, I was at one time and Theresa found a print, a big footprint, and then myself and her and Toby, this guy was taken out for the first time. This is from my own personal experience, and then I'll come on to a couple of others. It was it was December and it was sixteen to eighteen degrees and we went out and I told we've never been out doing any big foot thing before. And I had taken him to a particular valley where there'd been activity. Yeah, where

18:13 I'd experienced some activity, I'd experienced some behaviors which were of interest, and we walk in this valley and then it was, as you know, not long after it. Now, you know, you have to consider other possibilities, and it's important not to draw a conclusion that it's always a big foot, you know what I mean, in any situation. But here we are, it's freezing cold. It's a Monday morning, freezing cold, sub zero temperatures. These noises, these claques are emanating from the top of a valley. There are no cars because there can't be without giving the location. For literally miles, we are the only car. So unless somebody had decided that it was a really good idea, and they probably would have had to use ropes to get up to this particular these particular area, to climb in the dark, in sub zero temperatures, upper hillside, just to clack rocks at me, and then do the same thing an hour and a half or two hours later. When we come down with me and Toby answeres a couple of hours later. It just is incredulous. You know, you start thinking, well, that's ridiculous. This is an area where there has been centuries of sightings of these things. We're clacking rock Those things are clacking rocks. That's very interesting.

19:38 So it's a reasonable assumption, yeah, to make. And so there and you know, there's been a lot of activity there, and also some very strange things have happened to me in Kate's Cove as well. I remember that I'm going to have to go back again because I remember you said a few time you were like, you got to go over to Kates Cove, and I was like, I think I'm going to do it, and then I looked and I was like, I can't do it. I just ran out of time, and so I have to go back again and then go to CAD's Cove because you were saying that you have run into some very interesting things over at Cads.

20:18 Yeah, And I'll put just so you know, the rock Clacks have just gone up. My friend John Cards and I just put them up as a short on the Adam Davis Explorer YouTube channel. If people want to listen to those, I should mention that because I've just just to give you the context the background to what I've just been talking about. But but Kate's Cove, there's I'm interested in a lot of sightings. The highest volume of sightings in my area occurr in Caid's Cove. And but what you have to do is do a lot of filtering with those. Again, you have to be conscious of the fact there's a lot of bears in kids Cove.

20:59 So the most common misidentification of a bigfoot is a bear. Bears can stand up, and there are a huge amount of bears. I think there are more bears in my area of the Smokies than there are in any other part of the United States. There's a lot, So that's the first thing that you should consider. It is you know, is it a bear. But to give you an example, very credible eyewitnesses Tim Dills, who's been a bowhunter since he was a kid, he saw one there. You know, he knows what bear is, you know. And I've had several people in who've said they've seen one running across fields around there. I know, you know. I'll ask them about bears to you know, and do that sort of filtration, and some of them I think a good portion could be misidentification, but there's enough to think actually there's a core of stories, and there's also a core of stories about allegedly feral people in that area. So it's a great place to research. Now. Two times over winter on rich Mountain Road, I had some very weird experiences which I haven't talked about publicly because I've almost happened, not so long ago. I mean the first time I was going up there with Teresa and uh, she's a nurse.

22:23 She said to me, I can't really see very well. I can't see very well as I'm walking along, and I had had had the same feeling. And for me it was like when and this was so, this was a hike, So it's just to cut back slightly. Rich Mountain Road is an area traditionally where there's been a high volume of alleged big Foot activity. And it's a road that leads to Townsend. It's a one way road that goes from case Cove to Towns but in winter it's closed. It opens again and I think it's April the seventh is when it reopened. But you hike it and often people will hike to a point when in winter and I like it because you can see a long way, but they'll hike to a point about half an hour in where there's a very pretty and scenic view of one of the churches. I think it's the Methodist church that you can see in KDS. Go and then they'll turn around. But we carried on and then suddenly this had this I feel like it was infra sound.

23:23 I can't be sure. I didn't see a bigfoot, but why would we suddenly both not be able to see, and I had difficulty breathing, and I said to her, you know, I said to her, we need to persevere and get through this. And then so we did persevere. And then two minutes later, fine, yeah, fine, carrying on hiking. Fine anyway, go back probably a month or so later, because I was researching some other areas and I wanted to give it a bit of time, and this happened, which was weird. Were walking on the again, hiking on there, and heard this these two female voices. Right. You could tell it was female because they were of a certain pitch.

24:11 You know, I can't emanate it exactly, but they were. The voices were indecipherable, and it was like indecipherable. And we talked about it because we both heard them, but you couldn't hear what they were saying. It was like they were just off, just far enough off that you couldn't hear it. Now, when I was looking at you can. You've got great visibility. Then the visibility only starts getting poor again after winter in April, but you can see a long way. There's nobody around, but you know, it might just be over the next horizon. Anyway, we carry on, and then probably about twenty minutes later, we hear one solo male voice. Yeah ah ah. And I said to her, because this has happened once before, And I said to her, and I'll tell you about that because it links in.

25:14 We need to you know, whatever happens if you hear a name. Now, you know those old Appalachian legends. I said, do not go off this path right now. This is not a good vibe. I said, if you hear your name being called, or somebody calls your name, do not go off this path. Stay on this path while we work out what's going on here now, because this is weird. There's clearly no two women around, and there's no single guy knocking around. There's I can see a very long way, there's nobody here. Where's that noise coming from? So that was two things, and that was that was weird. That was very very strange, And that happened once before on some of the high altitude paths up not far away from what's it called that man Clingman's don't it's got a Cherokee name now, but I can't remember what the Cherokee names as I'm pausing. But that happened once then and some guy called out, some voice called out. There was no one around. So it's just interesting with those Apple Action legends. I'm not necessarily tying it to big Foot, but I do think it's intensely creepy, you.

26:20 Know, it's it's really really creepy. There will be I will say this as a teaser to other things that are coming out in the future on the channel. But I myself experienced voices in Middle Tennessee later on in the trip, and. Female voices. In a park area in another part of Tennessee, So it got really weird for me. Yeah, that's very interesting, like my encounter in a way, I don't want you to give a way what's happening on your podcast, but that's very interesting.

27:04 It was, like I could say, in this one park. It was an area where the guy I was with was he's like, hey, we call this the nursery because there's a lot of like bent over trees and like weird stuff that happens in here. And then as he's saying that, we both hear like a female voice and we're like, uh, and we got it on film. I think I'm still looking through the footage, but we at least get our reactions and we're like, oh, my goodness, Tasy is weird at them. I want to hear that. You will have to discuss that another time because I'm interested in So there's that also, though, you know, I do have people. I had one one story, one of my favorite encounter stories, that happened in the area around the snoke. It happened actually in Townsend itself, the back of towns End. Now you've been to Townsend, so you'll know that. Really there's a strip of buildings around the main road, but that's it pretty much. There's the odd building and it becomes very country very quickly.

28:04 It's not really it's really the edge of the mountains. When I had this man and woman come in the store one day and they were both very nervous, and they said, this is a big foot store. I know it's a big foot store. What do you think about big foot? And I said, well, I've researched it a lot. I said, I've seen one in the land between the lakes. I know they exist. About gathering evidence, you know, objective evidence, because my opinion really means very little. Is the evidence that counts. And they said, they said, well, we've just had one here and we're afraid. I said, well, what happened?

28:47 And they were a brother and sister and they were with their respective family, the brother with his family, the sister with her family. They'd come for a holiday, you know, they'd come for a holiday. And they said, we we were just having our breakfast. We're like early rises. It's like seven in the morning, six thirty seven o'clock. This thing comes out, roaring, roaring, raw and rawing. We were terrified. And then I went to the place where it was and there was this massive fresh tree break in the back of this place that we could not have done together.

29:29 It would have taken the strength of many, but it was. It had happened the day, you know, very quickly. So you do get those those stories as well. So I used them for intelligence too, Yeah, of course I do. I'll go and investigate them. Yeah, oh, it's it's it's a perfect setup for you, because I mean, I can't imagine having a setup where the people are coming to you and then all you have to do is make mental notes like oh, I need to go to that place after work or this weekend and go check out what happened. Like that's exactly what I did, exactly. That's exactly good you had mentioned. And if this is something you don't want to chat about, that's fine. But have you also uh experienced things to do with lights out in CAD's cove or.

30:24 Not out in case cove? I did when we were during the Vanished we filmed in uh the place near the place where Mike Hero disappeared, and all sorts of weird stuff happened, and you know, and the weirdest thing is in the film. But I did see lights there. I saw I saw these these orb things there. Yeah, it wasn't where I had a big foot encounter and then I saw it all. I saw them there. I also saw orbs very clearly in the land between the lakes in that film by Relictis. I saw I saw orbs in the land between the lakes, like blue blue orbs there, like big circular ones the size of footballs.

31:10 Because orbs can often be like dust particles, can't they or insects and stuff like that, you know, especially if you look at through a lens of the camera. But these were blue and they were they were that that that that that they're massive, and they're in you know, they're in the Vanished you can see that them in the film. That's one I'm definitely gonna have to check out it just should I mean that that's a really big statement to say that, Hey, we think we have new information about Dennis Martin, we have some new thing we figured out. I mean, that's that's. I'm satisfied that. And then what happened to him? I can't tell you we could prove that in a court of law because we couldn't sure. I have a postgrad in law, and you know I used to do with the British government. Sometimes I interviewed criminals. Sometimes I interviewed war criminals. You knows, I met some very strange people.

32:04 But so I'm saying, I'm so unfamiliar with is standard of proof? Is what I'm trying to say. And I know scientific standard is different from legal standard, but there's a process. It wouldn't follow that. But I'm pretty satisfied what happened to I know what happened to It's not a happy ending, but you wouldn't expect that. Very very interesting you mentioned your YouTube channel before, and I actually wanted to bring that up as well. Of course, I love listening to witness stories witness encounters, and yours is cool. We'll have it linked in the show notes. But you've got some really cool you're able to film witnesses.

32:45 I think when they come in your stores sometimes you're able to get their story a few minutes on film. You put it up there, and there's some really really cool things that you've been able to capture. Yeah, and I think it's important, and I'm glad you mentioned it because this is something I feel quite strongly about. I want to say this. If the store is quiet and there's nobody else around and they have told me a story and I think that they will be able to be able to articulate it, well, I'll bang them out on the YouTube with their consent obviously, and they so some people will. I get a lot of stories, but some people won't. Well just won't be able to tell them that well. Yeah, or more commonly, they will not want to be on YouTube. You know they don't want to. But I thought it was important to to tell accounts, and working at the story has changed my opinion on on on, you know, in a way. And these are the point. This is the first point I want to make about it. So I used to think that Bigfoot was very very very very very very very rare, very rare. Now I think it's just very rare. It's still, but it's not as rare as I thought it was.

34:03 You know the amount of stories, Jeremiah, I hear. Yes, I know some of them could be bear as I just made that point myself. I know it could be misidentification. I know it could be someone giving me some bs. I know all of that. I mean, my job was to cross examine people. My job was to tell the truth to see if people were telling the truth or not. You know, I can do that filter pretty well, not perfect, but pretty well. But even so, there is a core of those stories for many years, and the ones I was experienced since I've worked at that store, since I've managed that store. It's just it's just not all misidentity. It's not. There are a lot of stories, you know, And the single biggest reason people are not coming forward is because they are afraid of ridicule. They are afraid, and we are doing people are disserving if we do not do this, This is important stuff. People are afraid of ridicule but often traumatized by what they saw. Yeah, And I'm going to give you an example where I thought, I really need to do this, and I need to do this to help people. Because there was a guy who came in the store and again he was a bowhunter like Tim and my friend Tim, and he was from Georgia and he had seen one when he was about fifteen sixteen years old. Yeah, and he'd seen one

35:37 and it had chased him, and he talked about it having like a gray brown hair in Georgia, in northern Georgia. It chased him a bit. Yeah, not a long way. I think it's probably bluffing him, but chased. It terrified him. But he was so frightened of ridicule he had only the only person he's ever told that story too once was his wife, and he never told anybody again until he met me. And he cried like a baby in the store because it was a release to it. And the other thing which is tangential to this that this is important, and I'm going to make this point very strongly, is this. I have heard some people argue that we should be selective of the evidence of people's experience in some ways. So if somebody sees a big foot, we should, but they see something bizarre to go with it. Yeah, I don't know this speaking or or we should in some way new to that evidence, because if journalists get hold of it, they're just going to ridicule it. Well that's bs.

36:53 Yeah, absolutely absolutely. Have to tell the whole story. It's not for us to cherry pick the evidence. We present the whole of the information that they give us, and then it can be scrutinized. But I'm not going to manipulate evidence or manipulate stories already because I'm worried what some journalists says. Journalists don't give a damn. They don't give a damn. They're given a directive. They're raither going to write a snarky story or they're not going to write a snarky story if they But but we've got if we're going to analyze this fairly, then we need to bring forward the evidence as a whole. Yeah, And frankly, the evidence is also will speak for itself. So if someone says someone for example, sends off the hair to Darby orcut in North Carolina and we get some very interesting DNA evidence.

37:46 That's the evidence that's important. It's not so much the account anymore. So the evidence will have integrity if it's quantifiable and measurable, no matter how of the story is. And if the story is od then we're getting quantifier or viable and measurable evidence. Then that's that's important. Yeah, But to manipulate the evidence before damages the damages the integrity of the evidence that he is presented. If that makes sense. But that's no, it does. And I think another way to look at that is, can you imagine in the future bigfoot is discovered, there's disclosure and so, but then all of a sudden, the science is like, oh wait, it can do all this weird stuff. Why isn't this in your story?

38:32 Guys? Well, it's because we cherry picked everything because it didn't make us comfortable and we can go to sleep at night. Well, guys, look at what you've done, you know. So I feel very strongly about just let the witnesses tell their story, Let them tell. That story, let them be what they have, and then then just analyze it as it is. Let's not cover anything. Up gets me revved up at it. So dude, you have no idea. So you had mentioned before a little bit in passing that you've actually had a sighting out in Land between the Lakes. Is that something you'd be able to share a bit about.

39:14 Yeah, it's very interesting. So I have a friend called Greg Greg Gogiles who's the producer of Rollin Films, and he had said to me, can you come and film in the Land between the Lakes? Yeah? And I said yeah, and Greg Greg. Good for Greg. We're started off a film company. He's not National Geographical Discovery. He's a normal guy, tried to start out, you know. So he's doing his best. And we go down there. In the first day, we do some master interviews and we interviewed Boton on Ley and Martin Groves. Both of them are very well known researchers in that area. You know, they know their stuff, and we do that, and then we sent up a drone because it's a very pretty sunset, and Brent the camera guy, sent up a sunset. We were happy, you know, we had we were filming more about the experiences, and never in my wildest dreams of that night I expected something to happen, which is, you know, when it happens.

40:18 It was, It was. It was all the more because so I said to Martin. I said to Martin, well, tonight we'd like to do some research in a big foot area. Have you got a place where we can do some research. We'll go out tonight, we'll film and all that lot. And he said, yeah, there's a place about an hour from here. So I discussed it with Greg and we said, well let's go. So we went that night and there's a couple of trucks. Then we hadn't even Janice, who was the camera woman, and went up the hillside with Barton and Martin and we me, Brent and Greg hadn't even got out of a truck properly. When this thing starts aoring, It's like, I can't do it because I don't have the chest cavity. But you have to remember your viewers may not know, but I'm familiar with gorillas in the wild and the rangs. You know, I've seen them. I know those creatures, and this was nothing like them. Nothing. It was huge, much bigger. And Brent freaks out and like he's trying to run away, and Greg grabs hold of it at the back and Greg can see another one crouched behind the truck and it's like throwing stones or whatever. And then you see in the film my dawn of realization because Janet says, there's more on the hill set and I can see

41:50 red eyes, now red eyes about nine feet tall in the air, and this thing's roaring. And they were not luminescent, which is interesting because from an evolutionary point of view, they should be luminescent. They were not luminescent, but they were red. I could see a pair of red eyes nine feet so. But what they were doing was showing a lot of intelligence because they were flankingers, so there's some on this side. This one was drawing our attention. But if they were gonna come at us, which is what I was thinking, they were going to come at as from the sides, we were flanked and this one was drawing our attention. It was remarkable. And you see me realize that in the film. Yeah, and I think it's the most important Bigfoot film ever ever. And if it was National Geographic or Discovery where they would have had press conferences all over, but you know, we didn't have the budget for that. I mean, it's normal guys trying to make a film, you know, but it's extraordinary.

42:52 What is capturing that film extraordinary? Anybody who was remotely interested in big Foot should watch that film. Relic Films. You have to go to that website, RELICI Films. The Land between the Lakes. The first half hour is in a place called the Meadow. I wasn't there for that's interesting. It's more paralanormally based. But when it gets to the line between the lakes, you see what happens, and you know it's interesting or a just because of the big foots, but also how different people react in that circumstances and what we're thinking, you know, and how we behave. And it's not one of those things I'm very proud to say where something interesting happens and everybody runs away, you know what I mean, Tyler, And then we try to we try to rationalize it, deal with it and think about what we're going to do next. And I mean, it's a really good film.

43:40 Oh my goodness. So so you had a good visual on this thing. I saw it size. I didn't see it. I saw his size. It was roaring, it was very near me. I didn't see its whole body, but I saw his size, and I saw his size for a while. You know, it's I remember the whole whole thing encounter, but it's not like a flashing glimpse. It's I think the whole thing was at least at least twenty minutes or so. It felt like I've never timed, but the whole encounter felt like that. Yeah. The other wild thing is you guys didn't have to do anything to initiate. Nothing a back and forth.

44:23 It's up on the hillside and he's called out, So I woul to be fair, it was Martin that initiated. It's that that's what happened because it was a place where he was familiar with. It was his one of his research areas. So but we had no I had no expectation, Jeremiah. I just thought I was going to do a bit of filming in the graveyard, walking around. I had no expectation this was going to happen. It was. It was extraordinary. The vocal. I know you've well, I was talking to Tom Seward a while back, Yes, and I believe a you came up and it was a story about you and using a certain type of because I contacted you about this, it was a certain type of like gorilla call.

45:12 Yeah, I did some groups and I got them back, and I'm sure that was in that's in the Vancouver Island area. Just so just so your your viewers know. But the thing about that area was, it's not like we were in the middle of nowhere. We were on a boat and we were stopping on shorelines and were in the middle of nowhere. There's nowhere around for miles, and those things were coming back and we had it on a therm so you could see something running along and they and they dropped me off on the I was bait. Really, I decided I'd be bait. It's freezing cold is February. They had been like ice stumps, and they dropped me off on the beach head and I was making those calls well, and they were gonna and then they were gonna leave me there to see what happened. Well, I'm making is good and they got We got it on the Then the idea was it had come in. Yeah, it was my plan. It wasn't Tom Sewart's fault. That was my idea. Yeah, So he was you know, it wasn't like Lessen. I wanted to do it because I'm wanted to see if it come in, and it did come in, but it didn't come in and pass the foliage.

46:19 And then they got me off the rocks because it was a bit rough. Had to jump in a boat in one of these speedboats off the rocks. But yeah, yeah, that was right. That was That was in the Vancouver Island. Area, and I kind of bring it up. I don't know the story, right. I bring that up. So you're hearing what you heard? Are you saying then that what you heard in the LBL is so much bigger than any gorilla sound or anything else like that you've heard, Yeah. One hundred percent. I am saying that. That's why it's interesting, because because what's processing in my mind as well as the potential threat, is just how voluminous its chest are it must be to generate that sound. It was very surprising. Okay, same area, that same era. I can tell you, in that same area last week somebody saw a crawling bigfoot.

47:20 I got a phone call that they've been to the same place and got it. That's horrifying. So I've had the privilege of hearing a raw scream in Oregon in the Willamette National Forest a few years back, and when I heard it, I had a really visceral physical reaction. Did you have any type of physical reaction when you heard that sound in the LBL? What I do, It wasn't It wasn't visceral in that way. It was for Brent the camera man. But but what I do is I've done I've done a lot of dangerous things for many years, as you know, you know, from Goes to Congo to Mongolia to Samata. And one of the things that I've been able to do by experience is to keep very calm and measured under pressure. Yeah, afterwards there are scars because afterwards I will play them back and I've got PTSD from some very unpleasant things that have happened to me in some of the war zones I've been. So so there there are consequences, you know what I'm saying. There are consequences, But at the time I don't. It's only it's afterwards, like on playback, I think about it, but not in the not in the present. You know, I'm not I do have emotions.

48:42 I'm not a psychopath, so but I can always keep myself controlled until after the event. Have you found there's Is there a way that you're able to do that in such a high stakes situation like that. Yeah. Always, I've always been able to do that, even when I've been shot at in the Congo and stuff like that. I've always been able to be controlled in those situations always. But I've never ever panicked in those situations once or but I will think about them afterwards. And so let me give you an example. So, for example, when I talk about thinks, I'm very uncomfortable when I go through airport security at airports because I had such a rough time getting out of the Congo on the two occasions to oh, never mind anyway, that's a whole other thing.

49:38 But yeah, we don't have to talk about it. But I am extremely nervous when I go through those now. And that's a consequence. But I could if we were in a life or death situation right now or under any pressure, you wouldn't know it. I would just go through it, but I pay for it afterwards. So there's an example. So it sounds like because of the because of the situation you've been in over the years, it's like it's just a muscle that has to be flexed. You know, how to gool things down and you only know that because you've been in some wild situations. I mean, there's going to be a link in the show notes. I mean, we're not going to get into it, but the whole Oregon thing with the portal in all that and the things coming through the portal, guys, you've got to listen to that. I'm going to have a link to something to the best version of that.

50:28 Yeah. I write about them in books as well. I write nonfiction. So have the Extreme Expedition series on Amazon, which are my non fiction books where I write about all my expeditions and I write I've written them for many, many years now, so they go all the way through to the Congo to almost the present day. And I have fiction books, and I'm going to bring out a new nonfiction book, the first one in five years, probably in June. Oh nice, Okay, fantastic, there you go. Breaking news, breaking news, the. First one. Yeah, I mentioned that, you know what, Jeremiah.

51:10 I decided I was going to put it out in June about eleven o'clock this morning when it popped into my head. Okay, so that's new. That that is new. Adam. Do you have any any any goals of you know, what are things that you know living in this area the Smokies. Is it a thing where you just want to keep investigating Bigfoot or what are your your goals for the future living in this area and working in such a Bigfoot enriched environment. Well, I think it's important that you know. For me, I've always been about gathering evidence, scientific evidence which can be objectively analyzed, and I'm I'm happy to carry on doing that, you know, and plainly part I can, but also, as I've said, you know, the other side of that is presenting people's witness statements in a holistic manner and making contributions when I can be important about it, but also telling it as it is. That's what I'm going to be doing.

52:17 I love that. Oh my goodness. Before before we head out, Adam, can you remind a listeners how they can keep up to date with what you're doing, and maybe a quick reminder about the festival, because that is that is coming up this very weekend if listeners want to check that out. So Friday, if you're in Townsend, go to the Peaceful Side. It's a little it's a little bar bistro thing in the middle of Townsend eight point thirty. There's the film that vanished. Yeah, you can't see it there, get it onto you when it comes out. And then the next day will be the festival. I mean we've talked about all the great people who are going to be there, anyone from Mariah to Russ to Matt Yeah, all the other extra people like like mountain monsters. So the festival will be great fun and it's really worth going to if you know. And then me Adam Davis Explorer on YouTube.

53:13 You can find me on the Relic Films as well the Relic Film's website and the film's been coming out there, and I'm Adam Davis on Amazon, and I write the Extreme Expedition books. Fantastic. Well, thank you so much, Adam for spending some time and sharing what you've experienced, and will definitely be keeping in touch with you over the years to come. So sweet. Yeah, and anytime you want me to come on and talk about other stories, because I know you've you've wanted to ask me a whole bunch. You know what. I do admire your restraint today, Jeremiah. I do admire it because I feel like there's like a lot you want to ask me about things like Oregon. You haven't done it this time, So I will do this. When you want me to come on again, you can. You can you know, if you ever want me to come on again, I am good to do that. So you can ask me those of the questions I know you want to ask me. We'll do that.

54:04 Thank you. Adam. Have you ever heard all the accounts of bigfoot activity around Oakridge, Oregon? And you think to yourself, Man, I would love to get out in those woods and experience it for myself. Well, guess what this year you can. If this is interesting to you, stay tuned because it's pretty cool. Sasquatch Summer Fest is coming up July tenth through the eleventh, twenty twenty six. It's going to be even better than the previous year's reason number one, I'll be one of the speakers. It's gonna be wild. I'll probably I'll say this. There may be stuff you haven't heard anywhere else, because let's just say sometimes it's well, you just got to be there. We'll leave it that more about looking for Bigfoot in the Oakridge Woods. Now check this out. You may know Jason Kenzie from his documentary series searching for Sasquatch. Well, this year, you can not only go to the festival, but you can also sign up for a track deep in the wild forest outside of Oakridge with Jason Kenzie to the Bigfoot Spots to look for Bigfoot. There's only eight spots to sign up for this, and yes, this will also be filmed for the next chapter in his documentary series, which is Searching for Sasquatch. This is a once in a lifetime deal.

55:35 It's just it's going to be a wild, wild experience. To get a ticket, head on over to Sasquatch Summerfest dot com and listeners can use the code b sp like Bigfoot Society podcast in order to get a two day pass for the price of a one day pass. So thanks to Priscilla for giving you that code so that you guys can can get a little help with the cost there. Appreciate that, Priscilla. I hope to see you at the booth in Oakridge this year. We can talk about your encounter. Was able to talk to so many people last year and the year before. It is an incredible time. You're not going to want to miss it, and I'll see you there before we wrap this episode, I want to say something directly to a very specific group of listeners. If you're in the military, any branch or forces, and if you've seen something that no one can explain, or if you're a National park ranger or forestryt worker who's been told to stay quiet, or if you're a pilot who's seen something strange down on the ground, or if you're with the FBI a federal agency, or working intelligence and you stumbled upon something you're not allowed to talk about. And if you're a firefighter, paramedic, or search and rescue responder who's heard screams or found tracks that didn't make sense. If you're in the logging industry

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