April 28, 2026

Adam Davies Reveals Tennessee’s Darkest Bigfoot Secrets | Red Eyes, Roars & Smoky Mountain Encounters

Adam Davies Reveals Tennessee’s Darkest Bigfoot Secrets | Red Eyes, Roars & Smoky Mountain Encounters
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Season 1

Explorer and researcher Adam Davies joins Bigfoot Society for one of the wildest Tennessee episodes yet. Deep in the Great Smoky Mountains National Park, Adam shares firsthand investigations involving terrifying roars, unexplained rock clacks, phantom voices on remote mountain roads, fresh tree breaks, and witnesses who have carried their stories in silence for years.


This episode dives into intense activity around Cades Cove, strange encounters near Townsend, and a chilling account from Land Between the Lakes involving red eyes in the dark and creatures moving through the tree line.


We also spotlight the 2026 Smoky Mountain Bigfoot Festival, happening May 2, 2026 in Townsend, Tennessee. The 6th annual event is set to feature guest speakers, live music, vendors, food trucks, contests, family activities, and thousands of Bigfoot fans gathering in the gateway to the Smokies. Townsend has become one of the most exciting destinations in America for Bigfoot culture, and this year’s “Bigfoot Birthday Bash” edition looks bigger than ever.


Adam also opens up about why serious witnesses stay quiet, what he believes researchers are missing, and the hidden side of Appalachian Bigfoot reports that rarely gets discussed publicly.


If you want credible encounters, deep wilderness mystery, Tennessee Bigfoot history, and one of the most compelling researchers working today, this is an episode you need to hear.

Resources:

Get tickets for the festival here:
https://www.thebigfest.com/

https://www.youtube.com/@adamdavies-explorer/videos

https://www.youtube.com/@RelicFilmsMedia

Adam Davies books:

https://shorturl.at/fVyZq

https://www.facebook.com/SmokiesBigfoot/

The best interview about Adam's encounters with the Oregon portal:

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/boaa924-adam-davies-john-carlson/id279245126?i=1000354032259


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this show, we go beyond the campfire stories to bring

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you first hand encounters from people who say they've seen

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quiet farms and crowded highways. The stories come from everywhere,

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Voices of the people who've lived it. To settle in,

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because today you'll hear another account that just might change

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the way you see the woods forever.

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So stay with us, all right.

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Big Foot Society, We've got a special episode with a friend,

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Adam Davies here. Adam is a explorer, a bigfoot guy,

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but he's been all over the world. But welcome to

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the show, Adam. How are you today?

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Very good? Thank you, Thank you for having me.

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Jeremiah, absolutely we are having you on the show specifically

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to talk about some stuff that's going on in the

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Smoky Mountains to do with bigfoot. But I do want

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to also point out a few other things about Adam.

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There's so many stories that one could go into when

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talking to yourself, Adam, I think and we're not going

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to go into all those stories.

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Say.

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In fact, I'm going to list a few interviews that

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are my favorite of all time that have to do

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with you and I am talking about Oregon and you

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know what, and so listeners, you can listen to that

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because that story is a whole bag of worms and

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whatever you say, but it is one of my favorite

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stories of all time. So anyways, we are, so I

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think it might be fun. I was just in the

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Smokies and the stories are coming from that. Listeners, don't worry.

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But I had the privilege of stopping into the Bigfoot

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in the Smoky Store in Townsend, and Adam's there, Adams

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hanging out, He's waiting for everyone to come in and

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talk to him about Bigfoot, and that story is probably

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I would say, I've been in a few Bigfoot stores.

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It is the best selection of Bigfoot merchandise I've ever seen.

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And that's putting myself on the line saying that, no,

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thank you and.

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Thank you, and I appreciate that. I mean, I manage it.

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I don't own it, but we try our very best

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there and I do think it's a really good store.

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I'm not just saying that it has a has a

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lot in it. And you know, it's funny because I

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think of the jobs I've done, you know, when I

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work for the British government and then I was like

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doing corporate program manager stuff before then, and I'm thinking,

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I never if you told me, if you told me

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like twelve years ago, Jeremiah, I'd been running a big

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foot store in a town I'd never heard of. When

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I was when I was busy doing some of the

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cross examinations I used to have to do, I would

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have said, you know, I would have and you bet

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me a million dollars. I'd have lost that bet. Yeah. Here,

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here I am. And I'm quite a planning person, you know.

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I'm not. I'm not hugely spontaneous in that way. So

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you just never know what's going to happen in life.

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It is you kind of gotta you gotta roll with

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the punches, and it's it sounds like you've made the

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best of it and you're having a good time. When

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I was there, you had people coming in left and

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right and talking to you about bigfoot, and I was like,

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oh man, this this guy is busy.

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You know.

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It was a good It was a good time. People

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should check it out if they're in the area.

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Thank you. That's why I'm there. I'm there because of

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the vibe, you know, I like. I like it. You know,

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when people walk in, I always say one around. And

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the reason I say one around is because I know

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it's a feel good place. So when you walk around

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there you see all those quirky, quirky things that are

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available there, it makes you feel good. You know. It's

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not like it's not like going to your supermarket. It's

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it's a completely different experience. It's a it's a fun experience,

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and I want people to be happy. You know, there's

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giant Bigfoot outside it. They'll take some pictures of that

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and the wood carvings afterwards that wander around and you know,

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and if they want to talk to me about big Foot,

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then I'm happy to talk to them about Big four

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A because I enjoy it and be it creates a

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good vibe. But also I get intelligence as well about

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anything that's happening in the smoker is which I can

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filter and use, and I also get some very important

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stories and there's some important points I want to make

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about though, is when you're.

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Ready, absolutely something I want to make sure we talk

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about just to make sure that everyone hears it is

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let's talk about what's happening really quickly in Townsend, the

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Smoking Mountain Bigfoot Festival.

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If we could talk about that for a bit.

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Yeah, So Townsend has an excellent festival. There's no doubt

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an excellent big Foot festival. I go to a lot

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of festivals. I'm asked to be a speaker, and you know,

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I'll do about four or five a year because I

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like to be out researching and I like to do that.

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Townsends is really good. I'm not just saying that. And

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they've been good, the John the family that run it

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at Selecting, you know some good speakers. I spoke last

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year and I was the MC last year. This year

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I'm focusing on running the store. But the speakers this

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year include Mariaanare and russ A Cord from Expedition Bigfoot.

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You've also got the Mountain Monsters who were very nice people,

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very very nice people. What's the guy with the What's

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the guy with the dungarease called the denims called Erryrytely.

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I sat with him one year at Cryptidcon after it

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had finished, and he's such an I mean his show

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isn't my personal thing, but I can see it's entertainment value.

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But I was he basically raised his family after he'd

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suffered some hardship on the basis of money for that show.

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So good for him, you know, good for him. So

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he's going to be there, Turtle Man is going to

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be there. I can't do his call, iss. But but

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the thing about that is so so when I was

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at the conference last year, my focus understandably is in

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the corner that is about the speakers. So they do

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have quality speakers, absolutely quality speakers, no doubt about that.

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And that's where I was, and I was the MC

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last year. But what they have with it being a

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festival is they have a whole gamut of other things. Yeah,

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so anything from music, and the music's really good Gammons

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for example, excellent music. And then you've got you've got

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lots of great food, stools, there's even and I there's

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even I'm not going to wrestling. Yeah, Bigfoot is wrestling people.

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I feel like, you know how that would go. And

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and also they've got those little people wrestling that's going

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to go idea. But but I think I think if

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you go there, what you will get is a holistic experience,

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so you'll be able to dip into the speakers see those,

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but you can also see many other things. And if

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you're with somebody who probably wants to just enjoy the

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festival experience without hearing a speaker, for example, there is

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also plenty of other things to do. So it's a

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it's a good, very very very good festival. And also

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the people at Townsend that that that community, they're very

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very very nice people. It's a good community and I

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like being there, So the festival is excellent, very well

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worth going.

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I would also point out, and I would be excited

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about this if I was there, mister Matt Prewitt is

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going to be there as well.

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Prew is going to be there fantastic and he is.

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He is a very cerebral researcher. He knows the stuff.

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What Matt knows, I think what Matt strength is in

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detail as well. He's very very good at detail, and

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that body of research is something that the community really needs.

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So we do a lot of field research, we do

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a lot of those experiences, but someone who's able to

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effectively gather and analyze data is intrinsically important. So what

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you have is a spectrum. You'll have somebody who is

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high energy entertaining that sort of guy like Turtle Man,

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and then on the other hand you'll have those people

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who are who are doing that quanstitative research, more of

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an intellectual approach, like Matt Pruitt. But that's good because

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that's the spectrum. That's what I mean about. You know,

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you have an option very much at a festival here

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to go and do different things according to your taste,

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but all of it's entertaining within that sphere, and I

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think that that works very well.

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That is a really good combination.

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The other thing is if listeners, if you've never gotten

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the chance to go to a live event, it is

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different than when you're hanging out with people online. When

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you're actually able to talk to like minded individuals about Bigfoot.

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It's a really special connection. And I feel that this

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festival would be one of those where it would do

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it right. It's not an overly How many people do

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you expect to be in attendance for this, Adam, Well.

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The last one has six thousand, so I actually hear

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something like that or above it, you know, and on

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the Friday night, even on the Friday night, we've got

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an event. So on the Friday night at the Peaceful Side,

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which is is in the center of Townsend, we're having

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a special premiere of a film I made Call with

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Relic Films. Relic Films, myself, Greg, Natalie and Melissa we're

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going to be attending that. It's the premiere of the Van,

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the new film we've made it. And it's a fabulous

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film if you if you, I mean it's based on

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a couple of them. So it's set and filmed locally

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in towns End, in the areas, and it's about two

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disappearing cases, disappearing people cases Dennis Martin the six year

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old boy of course, who did disappeared in the sixties

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or in spence Field. And you know, I climbed spence

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Field twice as a preamble to the filming there and back.

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It's a thirteen mile round trip. It's a terrible hike.

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I don't recommend it. It's of a place called Boat

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Mountains and you can see but I went there. And

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then of course we've got we've got Mike Heron and

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Mike Herons a fascinating case as well, so we contrast

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the two cases. So Mike Heron. He is a real

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estate agent and he's doing really well. It's two thousand

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and eight. He suddenly disappears. His wallet and his and

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his phone and his keys all left in his car,

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his ATV's in gear. They had this massive search room,

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including using Kadaba docs. They never found a trace of it.

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And I think, without giving the film away, I feel

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fairly satisfied about that myself and Natalie Smith and star

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in it. So I have Natalie come out and helped

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me with the investigation, and she did an excellent job

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in the film. She was great. It was her first film.

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She did really well. And what it's about is that

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we go investigating these cases and Dennis Martin pretty confident.

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I'm satisfied in myself that I know what happened to him.

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Now with Mike here on in the film, we just

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find some massive curve ball that is so bizarre you'll

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never get it. And it's in the film, you know,

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but but I can tell you know, I mean, Greg

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who's the Who's who's the producer of roll? When it's

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going to be on TB soon, and they were jumping

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at it, you know, when they did the QR checks

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they were jumping at it. They were like, oh yeah, yeah, yeah,

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we'll have this, we'll have this. You know, people who

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review it. It's a great film. So that's going to

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be eight point thirty at the Peaceful Side and people

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can see that there if they're if they're at if

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they're at the festival. If you can't, you'll be able

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to see it on TB later or if you're there,

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if you're anywhere within within range of Townsend, go to

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the Peaceful Side that night because you'll get it will

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be great, fabulous, fabulous film.

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you can see it the Friday night. That's coming up

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really quick, and so stuff on Friday, stuff on Saturday,

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the main festivals on Saturday, right.

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the bit where with the IP people are meeting up

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the Friday night, and then after that anybody can come

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it always has a good vibe to it, you know,

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so it's regarded as a very very strong conference.

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National that's that's fantastic something I learned. We talked for

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a bit before I started my Smoky Mountain journey, and

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I learned some things about the Smoky Mountains. One didn't

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really know about gatlin Burg or Pigeon Forge, and wow,

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that's the whole deal. I never want to go through again.

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the foothills. You can get there easy, it's nice, it's

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not crazy, So I think this is the perfect place

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for a Bigfoot festival to be honestly.

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very chill. But also for me, it's just a personal quirk.

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I don't like big crowds, being crammed in and stuff

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like that. I don't hate that hate it. But the

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so even if there are a high volume of people,

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you can wander around. I never once felt crowded or

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cramped all the time I was there. Yeah, and I'm

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the sort of person who gets put off going to

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concerts and things like that because I don't like big

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crowds and being hammed in. Never got that. With Townsend,

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there's facilities in case it does rain, A lot of

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those canopy tents are there and you can wander about

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Okay, awesome.

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So it looks like if people want to make sure

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you can get your tickets online, can you get them

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at the door?

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Probably as well.

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Yeah, and so you can, but but you can get

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them online. Just go to Smoky Mountain Big Foot Festival

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and just do.

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That absolutely so you can google that or you can.

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It looks like you can also type in the big

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Fest is big the bigfest dot Com as well. Either

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way will work, and then you can get yourself set

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up and then say hi to Adam because he'll be

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hanging out there.

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I'll be at the store. I'll be in the store,

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so if anyone wants to come to the store, they

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can see me there there. You go.

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Okay, So, and you want you want to hit the

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hit up the store because it has I mean, I've

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been to Oregon and there's great carved wooden bigfoot out there,

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but man, your store has some of the best carved

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wooden big foot statue.

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Very talented who do that? Those wood carvers, They're very

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very talented, and I can't believe how quickly do it.

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you're going to get them, I think. But Adam, you

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were talking a bit about that. You've you've heard, You've

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been hearing some interesting things being based out of the

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smoke is you have you run into some interesting bigfoot

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stories or gotten involved with some bigfoot investigations over there.

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I do big foot investigations in the Smokies every week,

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every single week, probably a couple of times a week

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on average. You know, obviously I'm working, but sometimes I'll

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go after work, and sometimes I'll go on my days off.

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But I'm out all the time. But like all investigations,

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and I think this is important before we get into

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the more intense stuff, I want to say this, most

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of the time, nothing happens, nothing happens, and that's the

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way it should be. You know, for weeks nothing happens.

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and then several things happen in one go for some reason.

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You know, you're trying to work out patterns and analyzed behavior.

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But that's never a downer for me because because what

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I do is I love being out in the wilderness

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and nature anyway, So I'm quite happy to just be

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out there experiencing. It's truly wondrous. It's a very very

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beautiful place. But so that's where I am. But then

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you know, when things do happen, they've happened in sync,

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you know. So, yeah, when I've been out. For example,

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I was at one time and Theresa found a print,

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a big footprint, and then myself and her and Toby,

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this guy was taken out for the first time. This

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is from my own personal experience, and then I'll come

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on to a couple of others. It was it was

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December and it was sixteen to eighteen degrees and we

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went out and I told we've never been out doing

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any big foot thing before. And I had taken him

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to a particular valley where there'd been activity. Yeah, where

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I'd experienced some activity, I'd experienced some behaviors which were

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of interest, and we walk in this valley and then

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it was, as you know, not long after it. Now,

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you know, you have to consider other possibilities, and it's

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important not to draw a conclusion that it's always a

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big foot, you know what I mean, in any situation.

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But here we are, it's freezing cold. It's a Monday morning,

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freezing cold, sub zero temperatures. These noises, these claques are

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emanating from the top of a valley. There are no

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cars because there can't be without giving the location. For

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literally miles, we are the only car. So unless somebody

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had decided that it was a really good idea, and

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they probably would have had to use ropes to get

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up to this particular these particular area, to climb in

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the dark, in sub zero temperatures, upper hillside, just to

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clack rocks at me, and then do the same thing

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an hour and a half or two hours later. When

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we come down with me and Toby answeres a couple

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of hours later. It just is incredulous. You know, you

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start thinking, well, that's ridiculous. This is an area where

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there has been centuries of sightings of these things. We're

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clacking rock Those things are clacking rocks. That's very interesting.

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So it's a reasonable assumption, yeah, to make. And so

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there and you know, there's been a lot of activity there,

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and also some very strange things have happened to me

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in Kate's Cove as well.

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I remember that I'm going to have to go back

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again because I remember you said a few time you

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were like, you got to go over to Kates Cove,

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and I was like, I think I'm going to do it,

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and then I looked and I was like, I can't

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do it. I just ran out of time, and so

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I have to go back again and then go to

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CAD's Cove because you were saying that you have run

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into some very interesting things over at Cads.

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Yeah, And I'll put just so you know, the rock

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Clacks have just gone up. My friend John Cards and

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I just put them up as a short on the

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Adam Davis Explorer YouTube channel. If people want to listen

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to those, I should mention that because I've just just

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to give you the context the background to what I've

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just been talking about. But but Kate's Cove, there's I'm

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interested in a lot of sightings. The highest volume of

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sightings in my area occurr in Caid's Cove. And but

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what you have to do is do a lot of

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filtering with those. Again, you have to be conscious of

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the fact there's a lot of bears in kids Cove.

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So the most common misidentification of a bigfoot is a bear.

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Bears can stand up, and there are a huge amount

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of bears. I think there are more bears in my

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area of the Smokies than there are in any other

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part of the United States. There's a lot, So that's

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the first thing that you should consider. It is you know,

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is it a bear. But to give you an example,

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very credible eyewitnesses Tim Dills, who's been a bowhunter since

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he was a kid, he saw one there. You know,

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he knows what bear is, you know. And I've had

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several people in who've said they've seen one running across

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fields around there. I know, you know. I'll ask them

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about bears to you know, and do that sort of filtration,

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and some of them I think a good portion could

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be misidentification, but there's enough to think actually there's a

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core of stories, and there's also a core of stories

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about allegedly feral people in that area. So it's a

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great place to research. Now. Two times over winter on

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rich Mountain Road, I had some very weird experiences which

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I haven't talked about publicly because I've almost happened, not

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so long ago. I mean the first time I was

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going up there with Teresa and uh, she's a nurse.

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She said to me, I can't really see very well.

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I can't see very well as I'm walking along, and

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I had had had the same feeling. And for me

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it was like when and this was so, this was

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a hike, So it's just to cut back slightly. Rich

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Mountain Road is an area traditionally where there's been a

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high volume of alleged big Foot activity. And it's a

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road that leads to Townsend. It's a one way road

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that goes from case Cove to Towns but in winter

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it's closed. It opens again and I think it's April

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the seventh is when it reopened. But you hike it

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and often people will hike to a point when in

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winter and I like it because you can see a

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long way, but they'll hike to a point about half

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an hour in where there's a very pretty and scenic

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view of one of the churches. I think it's the

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Methodist church that you can see in KDS. Go and

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then they'll turn around. But we carried on and then

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suddenly this had this I feel like it was infra sound.

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I can't be sure. I didn't see a bigfoot, but

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why would we suddenly both not be able to see,

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and I had difficulty breathing, and I said to her,

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you know, I said to her, we need to persevere

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and get through this. And then so we did persevere.

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And then two minutes later, fine, yeah, fine, carrying on hiking.

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Fine anyway, go back probably a month or so later,

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because I was researching some other areas and I wanted

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to give it a bit of time, and this happened,

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which was weird. Were walking on the again, hiking on there,

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and heard this these two female voices. Right. You could

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tell it was female because they were of a certain pitch.

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You know, I can't emanate it exactly, but they were.

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The voices were indecipherable, and it was like indecipherable. And

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we talked about it because we both heard them, but

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you couldn't hear what they were saying. It was like

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they were just off, just far enough off that you

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couldn't hear it. Now, when I was looking at you can.

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You've got great visibility. Then the visibility only starts getting

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poor again after winter in April, but you can see

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a long way. There's nobody around, but you know, it

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might just be over the next horizon. Anyway, we carry on,

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and then probably about twenty minutes later, we hear one

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solo male voice. Yeah ah ah. And I said to her,

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because this has happened once before, And I said to her,

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and I'll tell you about that because it links in.

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We need to you know, whatever happens if you hear

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a name. Now, you know those old Appalachian legends. I said,

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do not go off this path right now. This is

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not a good vibe. I said, if you hear your

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name being called, or somebody calls your name, do not

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go off this path. Stay on this path while we

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work out what's going on here now, because this is weird.

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There's clearly no two women around, and there's no single

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guy knocking around. There's I can see a very long way,

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there's nobody here. Where's that noise coming from? So that

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was two things, and that was that was weird. That

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was very very strange, And that happened once before on

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some of the high altitude paths up not far away

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from what's it called that man Clingman's don't it's got

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a Cherokee name now, but I can't remember what the

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Cherokee names as I'm pausing. But that happened once then

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and some guy called out, some voice called out. There

450
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was no one around. So it's just interesting with those

451
00:26:13.279 --> 00:26:16.839
Apple Action legends. I'm not necessarily tying it to big Foot,

452
00:26:17.119 --> 00:26:20.279
but I do think it's intensely creepy, you.

453
00:26:20.240 --> 00:26:29.640
Know, it's it's really really creepy. There will be I

454
00:26:29.680 --> 00:26:32.119
will say this as a teaser to other things that

455
00:26:32.200 --> 00:26:35.039
are coming out in the future on the channel. But

456
00:26:36.519 --> 00:26:42.920
I myself experienced voices in Middle Tennessee later on in

457
00:26:42.960 --> 00:26:44.759
the trip, and.

458
00:26:46.319 --> 00:26:47.759
Female voices.

459
00:26:49.160 --> 00:26:53.799
In a park area in another part of Tennessee, So

460
00:26:53.880 --> 00:26:55.359
it got really weird for me.

461
00:26:55.599 --> 00:26:59.240
Yeah, that's very interesting, like my encounter in a way,

462
00:26:59.279 --> 00:27:00.680
I don't want you to give a way what's happening

463
00:27:00.720 --> 00:27:03.039
on your podcast, but that's very interesting.

464
00:27:04.119 --> 00:27:07.759
It was, like I could say, in this one park.

465
00:27:07.799 --> 00:27:10.799
It was an area where the guy I was with

466
00:27:11.400 --> 00:27:14.200
was he's like, hey, we call this the nursery because

467
00:27:14.200 --> 00:27:17.440
there's a lot of like bent over trees and like

468
00:27:17.519 --> 00:27:20.680
weird stuff that happens in here. And then as he's

469
00:27:20.720 --> 00:27:24.160
saying that, we both hear like a female voice and

470
00:27:24.200 --> 00:27:26.400
we're like, uh, and we got it on film. I

471
00:27:26.480 --> 00:27:28.960
think I'm still looking through the footage, but we at

472
00:27:29.039 --> 00:27:31.680
least get our reactions and we're like, oh, my goodness,

473
00:27:33.079 --> 00:27:34.240
Tasy is weird at them.

474
00:27:34.640 --> 00:27:37.000
I want to hear that. You will have to discuss

475
00:27:37.000 --> 00:27:41.680
that another time because I'm interested in So there's that also, though,

476
00:27:41.799 --> 00:27:44.880
you know, I do have people. I had one one story,

477
00:27:45.359 --> 00:27:47.519
one of my favorite encounter stories, that happened in the

478
00:27:47.559 --> 00:27:51.920
area around the snoke. It happened actually in Townsend itself,

479
00:27:52.000 --> 00:27:55.160
the back of towns End. Now you've been to Townsend,

480
00:27:55.160 --> 00:27:58.200
so you'll know that. Really there's a strip of buildings

481
00:27:58.240 --> 00:28:01.279
around the main road, but that's it pretty much. There's

482
00:28:01.440 --> 00:28:04.359
the odd building and it becomes very country very quickly.

483
00:28:04.359 --> 00:28:07.519
It's not really it's really the edge of the mountains.

484
00:28:07.880 --> 00:28:09.880
When I had this man and woman come in the

485
00:28:09.920 --> 00:28:14.359
store one day and they were both very nervous, and

486
00:28:15.079 --> 00:28:18.720
they said, this is a big foot store. I know

487
00:28:18.759 --> 00:28:20.880
it's a big foot store. What do you think about

488
00:28:20.920 --> 00:28:24.519
big foot? And I said, well, I've researched it a lot.

489
00:28:24.599 --> 00:28:27.480
I said, I've seen one in the land between the lakes.

490
00:28:27.559 --> 00:28:32.039
I know they exist. About gathering evidence, you know, objective evidence,

491
00:28:32.079 --> 00:28:35.759
because my opinion really means very little. Is the evidence

492
00:28:35.799 --> 00:28:42.000
that counts. And they said, they said, well, we've just

493
00:28:42.079 --> 00:28:47.359
had one here and we're afraid. I said, well, what happened?

494
00:28:47.839 --> 00:28:52.920
And they were a brother and sister and they were

495
00:28:52.920 --> 00:28:55.440
with their respective family, the brother with his family, the

496
00:28:55.480 --> 00:28:58.240
sister with her family. They'd come for a holiday, you know,

497
00:28:58.279 --> 00:29:06.119
they'd come for a holiday. And they said, we we

498
00:29:06.119 --> 00:29:09.000
were just having our breakfast. We're like early rises. It's

499
00:29:09.079 --> 00:29:12.200
like seven in the morning, six thirty seven o'clock. This

500
00:29:12.240 --> 00:29:17.759
thing comes out, roaring, roaring, raw and rawing. We were terrified.

501
00:29:18.640 --> 00:29:21.480
And then I went to the place where it was

502
00:29:22.039 --> 00:29:25.079
and there was this massive fresh tree break in the

503
00:29:25.119 --> 00:29:28.920
back of this place that we could not have done together.

504
00:29:29.119 --> 00:29:31.079
It would have taken the strength of many, but it was.

505
00:29:31.160 --> 00:29:33.880
It had happened the day, you know, very quickly. So

506
00:29:34.519 --> 00:29:39.480
you do get those those stories as well. So I

507
00:29:39.599 --> 00:29:42.240
used them for intelligence too, Yeah, of course I do.

508
00:29:42.599 --> 00:29:43.839
I'll go and investigate them.

509
00:29:43.920 --> 00:29:47.200
Yeah, oh, it's it's it's a perfect setup for you,

510
00:29:47.279 --> 00:29:51.119
because I mean, I can't imagine having a setup where

511
00:29:51.160 --> 00:29:53.920
the people are coming to you and then all you

512
00:29:54.000 --> 00:29:56.160
have to do is make mental notes like oh, I

513
00:29:56.200 --> 00:29:58.759
need to go to that place after work or this

514
00:29:58.839 --> 00:30:01.000
weekend and go check out what happened.

515
00:30:01.039 --> 00:30:03.440
Like that's exactly what I did, exactly.

516
00:30:03.799 --> 00:30:11.319
That's exactly good you had mentioned. And if this is

517
00:30:11.359 --> 00:30:14.079
something you don't want to chat about, that's fine. But

518
00:30:14.319 --> 00:30:21.279
have you also uh experienced things to do with lights

519
00:30:21.519 --> 00:30:22.799
out in CAD's cove or.

520
00:30:24.119 --> 00:30:27.880
Not out in case cove? I did when we were

521
00:30:29.279 --> 00:30:35.880
during the Vanished we filmed in uh the place near

522
00:30:36.000 --> 00:30:39.880
the place where Mike Hero disappeared, and all sorts of

523
00:30:39.880 --> 00:30:43.160
weird stuff happened, and you know, and the weirdest thing

524
00:30:43.440 --> 00:30:45.799
is in the film. But I did see lights there.

525
00:30:45.880 --> 00:30:49.400
I saw I saw these these orb things there. Yeah,

526
00:30:49.880 --> 00:30:51.799
it wasn't where I had a big foot encounter and

527
00:30:51.799 --> 00:30:54.119
then I saw it all. I saw them there. I

528
00:30:54.160 --> 00:30:57.519
also saw orbs very clearly in the land between the

529
00:30:57.599 --> 00:31:03.240
lakes in that film by Relictis. I saw I saw

530
00:31:03.359 --> 00:31:05.920
orbs in the land between the lakes, like blue blue

531
00:31:06.039 --> 00:31:10.559
orbs there, like big circular ones the size of footballs.

532
00:31:10.599 --> 00:31:14.720
Because orbs can often be like dust particles, can't they

533
00:31:14.759 --> 00:31:16.880
or insects and stuff like that, you know, especially if

534
00:31:16.920 --> 00:31:19.079
you look at through a lens of the camera. But

535
00:31:19.119 --> 00:31:21.759
these were blue and they were they were that that

536
00:31:21.759 --> 00:31:24.720
that that that they're massive, and they're in you know,

537
00:31:24.759 --> 00:31:27.519
they're in the Vanished you can see that them in

538
00:31:27.559 --> 00:31:31.200
the film.

539
00:31:31.240 --> 00:31:34.599
That's one I'm definitely gonna have to check out it

540
00:31:34.799 --> 00:31:37.240
just should I mean that that's a really big statement

541
00:31:37.279 --> 00:31:40.680
to say that, Hey, we think we have new information

542
00:31:40.960 --> 00:31:45.519
about Dennis Martin, we have some new thing we figured out.

543
00:31:45.559 --> 00:31:47.599
I mean, that's that's.

544
00:31:47.079 --> 00:31:49.519
I'm satisfied that. And then what happened to him? I

545
00:31:49.559 --> 00:31:51.359
can't tell you we could prove that in a court

546
00:31:51.400 --> 00:31:53.880
of law because we couldn't sure. I have a postgrad

547
00:31:53.960 --> 00:31:55.759
in law, and you know I used to do with

548
00:31:55.880 --> 00:32:00.559
the British government. Sometimes I interviewed criminals. Sometimes I interviewed

549
00:32:01.400 --> 00:32:04.279
war criminals. You knows, I met some very strange people.

550
00:32:04.680 --> 00:32:08.000
But so I'm saying, I'm so unfamiliar with is standard

551
00:32:08.039 --> 00:32:09.759
of proof? Is what I'm trying to say. And I

552
00:32:09.759 --> 00:32:13.839
know scientific standard is different from legal standard, but there's

553
00:32:13.839 --> 00:32:16.839
a process. It wouldn't follow that. But I'm pretty satisfied

554
00:32:16.880 --> 00:32:18.839
what happened to I know what happened to It's not

555
00:32:18.839 --> 00:32:20.960
a happy ending, but you wouldn't expect that.

556
00:32:22.799 --> 00:32:26.599
Very very interesting you mentioned your YouTube channel before, and

557
00:32:26.839 --> 00:32:31.079
I actually wanted to bring that up as well. Of course,

558
00:32:31.160 --> 00:32:35.960
I love listening to witness stories witness encounters, and yours

559
00:32:36.400 --> 00:32:39.079
is cool. We'll have it linked in the show notes.

560
00:32:39.599 --> 00:32:45.480
But you've got some really cool you're able to film witnesses.

561
00:32:45.559 --> 00:32:48.000
I think when they come in your stores sometimes you're

562
00:32:48.039 --> 00:32:52.279
able to get their story a few minutes on film.

563
00:32:52.319 --> 00:32:54.680
You put it up there, and there's some really really

564
00:32:54.680 --> 00:32:56.440
cool things that you've been able to capture.

565
00:32:57.000 --> 00:32:59.160
Yeah, and I think it's important, and I'm glad you

566
00:32:59.240 --> 00:33:01.440
mentioned it because this is something I feel quite strongly about.

567
00:33:01.440 --> 00:33:03.319
I want to say this. If the store is quiet

568
00:33:03.319 --> 00:33:06.960
and there's nobody else around and they have told me

569
00:33:07.000 --> 00:33:09.839
a story and I think that they will be able

570
00:33:09.880 --> 00:33:13.680
to be able to articulate it, well, I'll bang them

571
00:33:13.680 --> 00:33:20.799
out on the YouTube with their consent obviously, and they

572
00:33:21.000 --> 00:33:23.440
so some people will. I get a lot of stories,

573
00:33:23.839 --> 00:33:28.119
but some people won't. Well just won't be able to

574
00:33:28.160 --> 00:33:32.559
tell them that well. Yeah, or more commonly, they will

575
00:33:33.400 --> 00:33:36.079
not want to be on YouTube. You know they don't

576
00:33:36.079 --> 00:33:39.319
want to. But I thought it was important to to

577
00:33:39.839 --> 00:33:43.200
tell accounts, and working at the story has changed my

578
00:33:43.319 --> 00:33:47.160
opinion on on on, you know, in a way. And

579
00:33:47.319 --> 00:33:49.279
these are the point. This is the first point I

580
00:33:49.319 --> 00:33:51.640
want to make about it. So I used to think

581
00:33:51.640 --> 00:33:54.839
that Bigfoot was very very very very very very very rare,

582
00:33:55.240 --> 00:33:59.920
very rare. Now I think it's just very rare. It's still,

583
00:34:00.640 --> 00:34:02.599
but it's not as rare as I thought it was.

584
00:34:03.039 --> 00:34:07.200
You know the amount of stories, Jeremiah, I hear. Yes,

585
00:34:07.880 --> 00:34:09.719
I know some of them could be bear as I

586
00:34:09.760 --> 00:34:13.239
just made that point myself. I know it could be misidentification.

587
00:34:13.719 --> 00:34:15.800
I know it could be someone giving me some bs.

588
00:34:15.840 --> 00:34:18.239
I know all of that. I mean, my job was

589
00:34:18.239 --> 00:34:21.480
to cross examine people. My job was to tell the

590
00:34:21.559 --> 00:34:24.159
truth to see if people were telling the truth or not.

591
00:34:24.719 --> 00:34:28.880
You know, I can do that filter pretty well, not perfect,

592
00:34:28.880 --> 00:34:32.119
but pretty well. But even so, there is a core

593
00:34:32.559 --> 00:34:36.840
of those stories for many years, and the ones I

594
00:34:36.960 --> 00:34:39.119
was experienced since I've worked at that store, since I've

595
00:34:39.159 --> 00:34:42.960
managed that store. It's just it's just not all misidentity.

596
00:34:43.000 --> 00:34:46.119
It's not. There are a lot of stories, you know,

597
00:34:46.800 --> 00:34:51.559
And the single biggest reason people are not coming forward

598
00:34:51.920 --> 00:34:56.840
is because they are afraid of ridicule. They are afraid,

599
00:34:57.320 --> 00:35:00.719
and we are doing people are disserving if we do

600
00:35:00.880 --> 00:35:06.760
not do this, This is important stuff. People are afraid

601
00:35:06.800 --> 00:35:10.960
of ridicule but often traumatized by what they saw. Yeah,

602
00:35:11.239 --> 00:35:13.480
And I'm going to give you an example where I thought,

603
00:35:13.800 --> 00:35:15.679
I really need to do this, and I need to

604
00:35:15.679 --> 00:35:20.320
do this to help people. Because there was a guy

605
00:35:20.360 --> 00:35:23.679
who came in the store and again he was a

606
00:35:24.079 --> 00:35:28.079
bowhunter like Tim and my friend Tim, and he was

607
00:35:28.119 --> 00:35:31.599
from Georgia and he had seen one when he was

608
00:35:31.639 --> 00:35:36.440
about fifteen sixteen years old. Yeah, and he'd seen one

609
00:35:37.039 --> 00:35:39.440
and it had chased him, and he talked about it

610
00:35:39.480 --> 00:35:43.440
having like a gray brown hair in Georgia, in northern Georgia.

611
00:35:43.519 --> 00:35:48.079
It chased him a bit. Yeah, not a long way.

612
00:35:48.119 --> 00:35:51.119
I think it's probably bluffing him, but chased. It terrified him.

613
00:35:51.480 --> 00:35:55.400
But he was so frightened of ridicule he had only

614
00:35:55.480 --> 00:36:00.840
the only person he's ever told that story too once

615
00:36:01.639 --> 00:36:06.880
was his wife, and he never told anybody again until

616
00:36:06.880 --> 00:36:12.159
he met me. And he cried like a baby in

617
00:36:12.239 --> 00:36:15.920
the store because it was a release to it. And

618
00:36:15.960 --> 00:36:18.679
the other thing which is tangential to this that this

619
00:36:18.760 --> 00:36:21.559
is important, and I'm going to make this point very strongly,

620
00:36:22.199 --> 00:36:27.639
is this. I have heard some people argue that we

621
00:36:27.719 --> 00:36:32.159
should be selective of the evidence of people's experience in

622
00:36:32.239 --> 00:36:35.599
some ways. So if somebody sees a big foot, we should,

623
00:36:36.119 --> 00:36:38.679
but they see something bizarre to go with it. Yeah,

624
00:36:39.440 --> 00:36:44.079
I don't know this speaking or or we should in

625
00:36:44.119 --> 00:36:48.320
some way new to that evidence, because if journalists get

626
00:36:48.360 --> 00:36:51.239
hold of it, they're just going to ridicule it. Well

627
00:36:51.280 --> 00:36:52.119
that's bs.

628
00:36:53.000 --> 00:36:56.199
Yeah, absolutely absolutely.

629
00:36:55.920 --> 00:36:59.159
Have to tell the whole story. It's not for us

630
00:36:59.199 --> 00:37:02.039
to cherry pick the evidence. We present the whole of

631
00:37:02.119 --> 00:37:04.719
the information that they give us, and then it can

632
00:37:04.760 --> 00:37:08.880
be scrutinized. But I'm not going to manipulate evidence or

633
00:37:08.920 --> 00:37:13.079
manipulate stories already because I'm worried what some journalists says.

634
00:37:13.239 --> 00:37:16.039
Journalists don't give a damn. They don't give a damn.

635
00:37:16.239 --> 00:37:18.920
They're given a directive. They're raither going to write a

636
00:37:18.960 --> 00:37:20.960
snarky story or they're not going to write a snarky

637
00:37:21.000 --> 00:37:25.079
story if they But but we've got if we're going

638
00:37:25.079 --> 00:37:28.400
to analyze this fairly, then we need to bring forward

639
00:37:28.480 --> 00:37:32.719
the evidence as a whole. Yeah, And frankly, the evidence

640
00:37:33.079 --> 00:37:36.280
is also will speak for itself. So if someone says

641
00:37:36.559 --> 00:37:41.159
someone for example, sends off the hair to Darby orcut

642
00:37:41.320 --> 00:37:46.400
in North Carolina and we get some very interesting DNA evidence.

643
00:37:46.960 --> 00:37:49.840
That's the evidence that's important. It's not so much the

644
00:37:49.880 --> 00:37:53.559
account anymore. So the evidence will have integrity if it's

645
00:37:53.639 --> 00:37:57.199
quantifiable and measurable, no matter how of the story is.

646
00:37:57.440 --> 00:37:59.800
And if the story is od then we're getting quantifier

647
00:37:59.880 --> 00:38:04.840
or viable and measurable evidence. Then that's that's important. Yeah,

648
00:38:04.880 --> 00:38:08.760
But to manipulate the evidence before damages the damages the

649
00:38:08.760 --> 00:38:11.400
integrity of the evidence that he is presented. If that

650
00:38:11.480 --> 00:38:12.039
makes sense.

651
00:38:12.280 --> 00:38:14.480
But that's no, it does.

652
00:38:14.599 --> 00:38:16.639
And I think another way to look at that is,

653
00:38:16.880 --> 00:38:21.360
can you imagine in the future bigfoot is discovered, there's

654
00:38:21.440 --> 00:38:27.599
disclosure and so, but then all of a sudden, the

655
00:38:27.639 --> 00:38:30.159
science is like, oh wait, it can do all this

656
00:38:30.239 --> 00:38:32.519
weird stuff. Why isn't this in your story?

657
00:38:32.559 --> 00:38:32.880
Guys?

658
00:38:33.320 --> 00:38:35.559
Well, it's because we cherry picked everything because it didn't

659
00:38:35.559 --> 00:38:38.880
make us comfortable and we can go to sleep at night. Well, guys,

660
00:38:39.400 --> 00:38:42.440
look at what you've done, you know. So I feel

661
00:38:42.559 --> 00:38:46.960
very strongly about just let the witnesses tell their story,

662
00:38:47.119 --> 00:38:47.719
Let them tell.

663
00:38:47.599 --> 00:38:50.199
That story, let them be what they have, and then

664
00:38:50.199 --> 00:38:54.440
then just analyze it as it is. Let's not cover anything.

665
00:38:54.199 --> 00:38:59.360
Up gets me revved up at it.

666
00:38:59.559 --> 00:39:01.599
So dude, you have no idea.

667
00:39:02.760 --> 00:39:08.360
So you had mentioned before a little bit in passing

668
00:39:08.519 --> 00:39:11.599
that you've actually had a sighting out in Land between

669
00:39:11.599 --> 00:39:14.159
the Lakes. Is that something you'd be able to share

670
00:39:14.159 --> 00:39:14.719
a bit about.

671
00:39:14.840 --> 00:39:19.559
Yeah, it's very interesting. So I have a friend called

672
00:39:19.559 --> 00:39:24.679
Greg Greg Gogiles who's the producer of Rollin Films, and

673
00:39:24.760 --> 00:39:27.159
he had said to me, can you come and film

674
00:39:27.159 --> 00:39:29.719
in the Land between the Lakes? Yeah? And I said yeah,

675
00:39:29.760 --> 00:39:32.719
and Greg Greg. Good for Greg. We're started off a

676
00:39:32.719 --> 00:39:36.880
film company. He's not National Geographical Discovery. He's a normal guy,

677
00:39:37.360 --> 00:39:39.719
tried to start out, you know. So he's doing his best.

678
00:39:40.519 --> 00:39:44.960
And we go down there. In the first day, we

679
00:39:45.039 --> 00:39:49.639
do some master interviews and we interviewed Boton on Ley

680
00:39:49.760 --> 00:39:52.280
and Martin Groves. Both of them are very well known

681
00:39:52.320 --> 00:39:54.719
researchers in that area. You know, they know their stuff,

682
00:39:55.360 --> 00:40:02.559
and we do that, and then we sent up a

683
00:40:02.639 --> 00:40:05.840
drone because it's a very pretty sunset, and Brent the

684
00:40:05.920 --> 00:40:09.639
camera guy, sent up a sunset. We were happy, you know,

685
00:40:09.719 --> 00:40:12.679
we had we were filming more about the experiences, and

686
00:40:13.239 --> 00:40:15.639
never in my wildest dreams of that night I expected

687
00:40:15.679 --> 00:40:18.119
something to happen, which is, you know, when it happens.

688
00:40:18.119 --> 00:40:20.440
It was, It was. It was all the more because

689
00:40:20.440 --> 00:40:23.360
so I said to Martin. I said to Martin, well,

690
00:40:23.480 --> 00:40:28.320
tonight we'd like to do some research in a big

691
00:40:28.320 --> 00:40:31.119
foot area. Have you got a place where we can

692
00:40:31.159 --> 00:40:33.920
do some research. We'll go out tonight, we'll film and

693
00:40:33.920 --> 00:40:36.320
all that lot. And he said, yeah, there's a place

694
00:40:36.360 --> 00:40:38.679
about an hour from here. So I discussed it with

695
00:40:38.760 --> 00:40:41.000
Greg and we said, well let's go. So we went

696
00:40:41.280 --> 00:40:44.320
that night and there's a couple of trucks. Then we

697
00:40:44.360 --> 00:40:48.320
hadn't even Janice, who was the camera woman, and went

698
00:40:48.400 --> 00:40:53.440
up the hillside with Barton and Martin and we me,

699
00:40:53.679 --> 00:40:57.320
Brent and Greg hadn't even got out of a truck properly.

700
00:40:57.880 --> 00:41:02.920
When this thing starts aoring, It's like, I can't do

701
00:41:03.000 --> 00:41:05.199
it because I don't have the chest cavity. But you

702
00:41:05.239 --> 00:41:10.320
have to remember your viewers may not know, but I'm

703
00:41:10.360 --> 00:41:12.800
familiar with gorillas in the wild and the rangs. You know,

704
00:41:12.840 --> 00:41:18.800
I've seen them. I know those creatures, and this was

705
00:41:18.880 --> 00:41:24.599
nothing like them. Nothing. It was huge, much bigger. And

706
00:41:26.320 --> 00:41:30.000
Brent freaks out and like he's trying to run away,

707
00:41:30.760 --> 00:41:36.679
and Greg grabs hold of it at the back and

708
00:41:36.719 --> 00:41:39.400
Greg can see another one crouched behind the truck and

709
00:41:39.440 --> 00:41:42.800
it's like throwing stones or whatever. And then you see

710
00:41:42.880 --> 00:41:47.960
in the film my dawn of realization because Janet says,

711
00:41:47.960 --> 00:41:49.719
there's more on the hill set and I can see

712
00:41:50.119 --> 00:41:54.280
red eyes, now red eyes about nine feet tall in

713
00:41:54.360 --> 00:41:58.159
the air, and this thing's roaring. And they were not luminescent,

714
00:41:58.159 --> 00:42:02.320
which is interesting because from an evolutionary point of view,

715
00:42:02.320 --> 00:42:04.960
they should be luminescent. They were not luminescent, but they

716
00:42:04.960 --> 00:42:07.119
were red. I could see a pair of red eyes

717
00:42:07.239 --> 00:42:11.519
nine feet so. But what they were doing was showing

718
00:42:12.480 --> 00:42:16.519
a lot of intelligence because they were flankingers, so there's

719
00:42:16.679 --> 00:42:19.920
some on this side. This one was drawing our attention.

720
00:42:20.320 --> 00:42:22.159
But if they were gonna come at us, which is

721
00:42:22.159 --> 00:42:23.840
what I was thinking, they were going to come at

722
00:42:23.880 --> 00:42:26.079
as from the sides, we were flanked and this one

723
00:42:26.119 --> 00:42:28.840
was drawing our attention. It was remarkable. And you see

724
00:42:28.880 --> 00:42:32.920
me realize that in the film. Yeah, and I think

725
00:42:33.760 --> 00:42:39.960
it's the most important Bigfoot film ever ever. And if

726
00:42:39.960 --> 00:42:43.239
it was National Geographic or Discovery where they would have

727
00:42:43.239 --> 00:42:45.599
had press conferences all over, but you know, we didn't

728
00:42:45.639 --> 00:42:48.440
have the budget for that. I mean, it's normal guys

729
00:42:48.559 --> 00:42:52.039
trying to make a film, you know, but it's extraordinary.

730
00:42:52.079 --> 00:42:56.480
What is capturing that film extraordinary? Anybody who was remotely

731
00:42:56.480 --> 00:42:59.360
interested in big Foot should watch that film. Relic Films.

732
00:42:59.360 --> 00:43:01.480
You have to go to that website, RELICI Films. The

733
00:43:01.559 --> 00:43:04.039
Land between the Lakes. The first half hour is in

734
00:43:04.079 --> 00:43:07.119
a place called the Meadow. I wasn't there for that's interesting.

735
00:43:07.159 --> 00:43:09.760
It's more paralanormally based. But when it gets to the

736
00:43:09.800 --> 00:43:12.239
line between the lakes, you see what happens, and you

737
00:43:12.280 --> 00:43:15.559
know it's interesting or a just because of the big foots,

738
00:43:15.599 --> 00:43:19.079
but also how different people react in that circumstances and

739
00:43:19.119 --> 00:43:22.280
what we're thinking, you know, and how we behave. And

740
00:43:22.320 --> 00:43:24.480
it's not one of those things I'm very proud to

741
00:43:24.480 --> 00:43:27.960
say where something interesting happens and everybody runs away, you

742
00:43:27.960 --> 00:43:32.119
know what I mean, Tyler, And then we try to

743
00:43:32.559 --> 00:43:36.519
we try to rationalize it, deal with it and think

744
00:43:36.519 --> 00:43:38.280
about what we're going to do next. And I mean,

745
00:43:38.280 --> 00:43:40.360
it's a really good film.

746
00:43:40.920 --> 00:43:41.559
Oh my goodness.

747
00:43:41.559 --> 00:43:47.159
So so you had a good visual on this thing.

748
00:43:47.320 --> 00:43:49.920
I saw it size. I didn't see it. I saw

749
00:43:49.920 --> 00:43:51.840
his size. It was roaring, it was very near me.

750
00:43:52.880 --> 00:43:56.159
I didn't see its whole body, but I saw his size,

751
00:43:56.199 --> 00:43:58.119
and I saw his size for a while. You know,

752
00:43:59.079 --> 00:44:02.280
it's I remember the whole whole thing encounter, but it's

753
00:44:02.320 --> 00:44:05.239
not like a flashing glimpse. It's I think the whole

754
00:44:05.239 --> 00:44:08.000
thing was at least at least twenty minutes or so.

755
00:44:08.119 --> 00:44:10.719
It felt like I've never timed, but the whole encounter

756
00:44:10.760 --> 00:44:13.320
felt like that. Yeah.

757
00:44:13.159 --> 00:44:16.480
The other wild thing is you guys didn't have to

758
00:44:16.599 --> 00:44:20.119
do anything to initiate.

759
00:44:20.599 --> 00:44:22.360
Nothing a back and forth.

760
00:44:23.199 --> 00:44:26.440
It's up on the hillside and he's called out, So

761
00:44:26.599 --> 00:44:28.880
I woul to be fair, it was Martin that initiated.

762
00:44:28.880 --> 00:44:32.760
It's that that's what happened because it was a place

763
00:44:32.800 --> 00:44:35.280
where he was familiar with. It was his one of

764
00:44:35.320 --> 00:44:38.599
his research areas. So but we had no I had

765
00:44:38.639 --> 00:44:41.199
no expectation, Jeremiah. I just thought I was going to

766
00:44:41.239 --> 00:44:43.519
do a bit of filming in the graveyard, walking around.

767
00:44:43.960 --> 00:44:47.480
I had no expectation this was going to happen. It was.

768
00:44:47.599 --> 00:44:48.679
It was extraordinary.

769
00:44:51.199 --> 00:44:52.239
The vocal.

770
00:44:53.480 --> 00:44:57.320
I know you've well, I was talking to Tom Seward

771
00:44:57.519 --> 00:45:02.320
a while back, Yes, and I believe a you came

772
00:45:02.400 --> 00:45:05.840
up and it was a story about you and using

773
00:45:06.480 --> 00:45:09.159
a certain type of because I contacted you about this,

774
00:45:09.719 --> 00:45:11.800
it was a certain type of like gorilla call.

775
00:45:12.719 --> 00:45:14.760
Yeah, I did some groups and I got them back,

776
00:45:15.360 --> 00:45:17.960
and I'm sure that was in that's in the Vancouver

777
00:45:18.000 --> 00:45:21.920
Island area. Just so just so your your viewers know.

778
00:45:22.360 --> 00:45:25.000
But the thing about that area was, it's not like

779
00:45:25.079 --> 00:45:27.159
we were in the middle of nowhere. We were on

780
00:45:27.199 --> 00:45:30.519
a boat and we were stopping on shorelines and were

781
00:45:30.519 --> 00:45:33.079
in the middle of nowhere. There's nowhere around for miles,

782
00:45:33.079 --> 00:45:35.239
and those things were coming back and we had it

783
00:45:35.280 --> 00:45:38.920
on a therm so you could see something running along

784
00:45:39.480 --> 00:45:44.239
and they and they dropped me off on the I

785
00:45:44.320 --> 00:45:47.079
was bait. Really, I decided I'd be bait. It's freezing

786
00:45:47.119 --> 00:45:49.440
cold is February. They had been like ice stumps, and

787
00:45:49.840 --> 00:45:52.079
they dropped me off on the beach head and I

788
00:45:52.119 --> 00:45:54.039
was making those calls well, and they were gonna and

789
00:45:54.039 --> 00:46:02.119
then they were gonna leave me there to see what happened. Well,

790
00:46:02.119 --> 00:46:04.039
I'm making is good and they got We got it

791
00:46:04.079 --> 00:46:07.159
on the Then the idea was it had come in. Yeah,

792
00:46:07.239 --> 00:46:09.840
it was my plan. It wasn't Tom Sewart's fault. That

793
00:46:09.960 --> 00:46:13.039
was my idea. Yeah, So he was you know, it

794
00:46:13.119 --> 00:46:15.679
wasn't like Lessen. I wanted to do it because I'm

795
00:46:15.679 --> 00:46:17.440
wanted to see if it come in, and it did

796
00:46:17.440 --> 00:46:19.599
come in, but it didn't come in and pass the foliage.

797
00:46:19.920 --> 00:46:21.679
And then they got me off the rocks because it

798
00:46:21.719 --> 00:46:24.400
was a bit rough. Had to jump in a boat

799
00:46:25.039 --> 00:46:28.760
in one of these speedboats off the rocks. But yeah, yeah,

800
00:46:28.760 --> 00:46:32.039
that was right. That was That was in the Vancouver Island.

801
00:46:32.119 --> 00:46:34.840
Area, and I kind of bring it up.

802
00:46:34.880 --> 00:46:37.719
I don't know the story, right.

803
00:46:38.599 --> 00:46:43.639
I bring that up. So you're hearing what you heard?

804
00:46:44.679 --> 00:46:47.559
Are you saying then that what you heard in the

805
00:46:47.679 --> 00:46:52.239
LBL is so much bigger than any gorilla sound or

806
00:46:52.280 --> 00:46:54.280
anything else like that you've heard, Yeah.

807
00:46:54.119 --> 00:46:56.599
One hundred percent. I am saying that. That's why it's interesting,

808
00:46:56.639 --> 00:46:59.480
because because what's processing in my mind as well as

809
00:46:59.519 --> 00:47:06.280
the potential threat, is just how voluminous its chest are

810
00:47:06.320 --> 00:47:10.400
it must be to generate that sound. It was very surprising. Okay,

811
00:47:12.519 --> 00:47:14.920
same area, that same era. I can tell you, in

812
00:47:14.960 --> 00:47:19.599
that same area last week somebody saw a crawling bigfoot.

813
00:47:20.079 --> 00:47:21.800
I got a phone call that they've been to the

814
00:47:21.880 --> 00:47:23.320
same place and got it.

815
00:47:24.679 --> 00:47:25.519
That's horrifying.

816
00:47:27.960 --> 00:47:33.760
So I've had the privilege of hearing a raw scream

817
00:47:33.880 --> 00:47:37.440
in Oregon in the Willamette National Forest a few years back,

818
00:47:38.079 --> 00:47:40.639
and when I heard it, I had a really visceral

819
00:47:40.880 --> 00:47:45.760
physical reaction. Did you have any type of physical reaction

820
00:47:45.840 --> 00:47:48.039
when you heard that sound in the LBL?

821
00:47:50.480 --> 00:47:53.679
What I do, It wasn't It wasn't visceral in that way.

822
00:47:53.719 --> 00:47:58.679
It was for Brent the camera man. But but what

823
00:47:58.800 --> 00:48:00.519
I do is I've done I've done a lot of

824
00:48:00.559 --> 00:48:02.440
dangerous things for many years, as you know, you know,

825
00:48:02.559 --> 00:48:05.559
from Goes to Congo to Mongolia to Samata. And one

826
00:48:05.599 --> 00:48:08.239
of the things that I've been able to do by

827
00:48:08.320 --> 00:48:14.400
experience is to keep very calm and measured under pressure. Yeah,

828
00:48:14.559 --> 00:48:18.920
afterwards there are scars because afterwards I will play them

829
00:48:18.920 --> 00:48:22.199
back and I've got PTSD from some very unpleasant things

830
00:48:22.239 --> 00:48:24.159
that have happened to me in some of the war

831
00:48:24.280 --> 00:48:28.679
zones I've been. So so there there are consequences, you

832
00:48:28.760 --> 00:48:32.199
know what I'm saying. There are consequences, But at the

833
00:48:32.239 --> 00:48:35.760
time I don't. It's only it's afterwards, like on playback,

834
00:48:36.400 --> 00:48:39.119
I think about it, but not in the not in

835
00:48:39.159 --> 00:48:42.400
the present. You know, I'm not I do have emotions.

836
00:48:42.440 --> 00:48:46.719
I'm not a psychopath, so but I can always keep

837
00:48:46.760 --> 00:48:52.400
myself controlled until after the event.

838
00:48:53.480 --> 00:48:57.280
Have you found there's Is there a way that you're

839
00:48:57.320 --> 00:49:01.159
able to do that in such a high stakes situation

840
00:49:01.360 --> 00:49:01.679
like that.

841
00:49:02.199 --> 00:49:04.559
Yeah. Always, I've always been able to do that, even

842
00:49:04.559 --> 00:49:06.480
when I've been shot at in the Congo and stuff

843
00:49:06.519 --> 00:49:09.920
like that. I've always been able to be controlled in

844
00:49:09.960 --> 00:49:15.639
those situations always. But I've never ever panicked in those

845
00:49:15.679 --> 00:49:21.199
situations once or but I will think about them afterwards.

846
00:49:22.039 --> 00:49:25.159
And so let me give you an example. So, for example,

847
00:49:26.599 --> 00:49:28.880
when I talk about thinks, I'm very uncomfortable when I

848
00:49:28.920 --> 00:49:32.199
go through airport security at airports because I had such

849
00:49:32.199 --> 00:49:34.599
a rough time getting out of the Congo on the

850
00:49:34.599 --> 00:49:38.239
two occasions to oh, never mind anyway, that's a whole

851
00:49:38.239 --> 00:49:38.559
other thing.

852
00:49:38.840 --> 00:49:40.280
But yeah, we don't have to talk about it.

853
00:49:40.320 --> 00:49:44.639
But I am extremely nervous when I go through those now.

854
00:49:44.840 --> 00:49:47.000
And that's a consequence. But I could if we were

855
00:49:47.000 --> 00:49:49.480
in a life or death situation right now or under

856
00:49:49.519 --> 00:49:51.719
any pressure, you wouldn't know it. I would just go

857
00:49:51.800 --> 00:49:54.320
through it, but I pay for it afterwards. So there's

858
00:49:54.360 --> 00:49:54.880
an example.

859
00:49:55.679 --> 00:49:59.679
So it sounds like because of the because of the

860
00:49:59.679 --> 00:50:02.519
situation you've been in over the years, it's like it's

861
00:50:02.599 --> 00:50:04.920
just a muscle that has to be flexed. You know,

862
00:50:05.119 --> 00:50:09.119
how to gool things down and you only know that

863
00:50:09.239 --> 00:50:13.719
because you've been in some wild situations. I mean, there's

864
00:50:13.760 --> 00:50:15.920
going to be a link in the show notes. I mean,

865
00:50:16.440 --> 00:50:18.239
we're not going to get into it, but the whole

866
00:50:18.599 --> 00:50:21.400
Oregon thing with the portal in all that and the

867
00:50:21.440 --> 00:50:24.599
things coming through the portal, guys, you've got to listen

868
00:50:24.639 --> 00:50:26.119
to that. I'm going to have a link to something

869
00:50:26.639 --> 00:50:28.159
to the best version of that.

870
00:50:28.639 --> 00:50:30.519
Yeah. I write about them in books as well. I

871
00:50:31.079 --> 00:50:35.559
write nonfiction. So have the Extreme Expedition series on Amazon,

872
00:50:35.840 --> 00:50:38.519
which are my non fiction books where I write about

873
00:50:38.559 --> 00:50:43.320
all my expeditions and I write I've written them for many,

874
00:50:43.320 --> 00:50:45.239
many years now, so they go all the way through

875
00:50:45.239 --> 00:50:49.480
to the Congo to almost the present day. And I

876
00:50:49.559 --> 00:50:52.199
have fiction books, and I'm going to bring out a

877
00:50:52.280 --> 00:50:56.239
new nonfiction book, the first one in five years, probably

878
00:50:56.280 --> 00:50:56.719
in June.

879
00:50:57.960 --> 00:51:03.800
Oh nice, Okay, fantastic, there you go. Breaking news, breaking news, the.

880
00:51:07.559 --> 00:51:10.760
First one. Yeah, I mentioned that, you know what, Jeremiah.

881
00:51:10.880 --> 00:51:12.360
I decided I was going to put it out in

882
00:51:12.440 --> 00:51:15.760
June about eleven o'clock this morning when it popped into

883
00:51:15.760 --> 00:51:16.079
my head.

884
00:51:16.719 --> 00:51:20.239
Okay, so that's new. That that is new. Adam.

885
00:51:20.280 --> 00:51:24.400
Do you have any any any goals of you know,

886
00:51:24.920 --> 00:51:28.519
what are things that you know living in this area

887
00:51:28.599 --> 00:51:31.159
the Smokies. Is it a thing where you just want

888
00:51:31.199 --> 00:51:35.280
to keep investigating Bigfoot or what are your your goals

889
00:51:35.320 --> 00:51:38.800
for the future living in this area and working in

890
00:51:39.280 --> 00:51:41.320
such a Bigfoot enriched environment.

891
00:51:41.719 --> 00:51:44.800
Well, I think it's important that you know. For me,

892
00:51:45.320 --> 00:51:49.400
I've always been about gathering evidence, scientific evidence which can

893
00:51:49.440 --> 00:51:56.119
be objectively analyzed, and I'm I'm happy to carry on

894
00:51:56.239 --> 00:52:00.800
doing that, you know, and plainly part I can, but also,

895
00:52:01.280 --> 00:52:03.400
as I've said, you know, the other side of that

896
00:52:03.559 --> 00:52:08.719
is presenting people's witness statements in a holistic manner and

897
00:52:09.480 --> 00:52:12.280
making contributions when I can be important about it, but

898
00:52:12.320 --> 00:52:16.079
also telling it as it is. That's what I'm going

899
00:52:16.159 --> 00:52:16.519
to be doing.

900
00:52:17.800 --> 00:52:18.960
I love that. Oh my goodness.

901
00:52:20.079 --> 00:52:23.440
Before before we head out, Adam, can you remind a

902
00:52:23.559 --> 00:52:26.039
listeners how they can keep up to date with what

903
00:52:26.079 --> 00:52:29.840
you're doing, and maybe a quick reminder about the festival,

904
00:52:29.880 --> 00:52:32.800
because that is that is coming up this very weekend

905
00:52:33.039 --> 00:52:34.800
if listeners want to check that out.

906
00:52:34.880 --> 00:52:39.480
So Friday, if you're in Townsend, go to the Peaceful Side.

907
00:52:40.039 --> 00:52:42.840
It's a little it's a little bar bistro thing in

908
00:52:42.880 --> 00:52:45.760
the middle of Townsend eight point thirty. There's the film

909
00:52:45.800 --> 00:52:48.559
that vanished. Yeah, you can't see it there, get it

910
00:52:48.559 --> 00:52:50.880
onto you when it comes out. And then the next

911
00:52:51.000 --> 00:52:54.679
day will be the festival. I mean we've talked about

912
00:52:54.679 --> 00:52:56.280
all the great people who are going to be there,

913
00:52:56.599 --> 00:53:00.280
anyone from Mariah to Russ to Matt Yeah, all the

914
00:53:00.320 --> 00:53:06.639
other extra people like like mountain monsters. So the festival

915
00:53:06.639 --> 00:53:08.480
will be great fun and it's really worth going to

916
00:53:08.559 --> 00:53:12.719
if you know. And then me Adam Davis Explorer on YouTube.

917
00:53:13.840 --> 00:53:16.400
You can find me on the Relic Films as well

918
00:53:16.599 --> 00:53:19.239
the Relic Film's website and the film's been coming out there,

919
00:53:19.519 --> 00:53:21.679
and I'm Adam Davis on Amazon, and I write the

920
00:53:21.679 --> 00:53:23.280
Extreme Expedition books.

921
00:53:24.519 --> 00:53:25.119
Fantastic.

922
00:53:25.159 --> 00:53:28.639
Well, thank you so much, Adam for spending some time

923
00:53:28.880 --> 00:53:32.880
and sharing what you've experienced, and will definitely be keeping

924
00:53:32.920 --> 00:53:35.280
in touch with you over the years to come.

925
00:53:35.400 --> 00:53:37.519
So sweet. Yeah, and anytime you want me to come

926
00:53:37.559 --> 00:53:39.679
on and talk about other stories, because I know you've

927
00:53:39.800 --> 00:53:41.719
you've wanted to ask me a whole bunch. You know what.

928
00:53:41.800 --> 00:53:45.920
I do admire your restraint today, Jeremiah. I do admire

929
00:53:45.920 --> 00:53:48.440
it because I feel like there's like a lot you

930
00:53:48.480 --> 00:53:50.920
want to ask me about things like Oregon. You haven't

931
00:53:50.960 --> 00:53:53.880
done it this time, So I will do this. When

932
00:53:53.880 --> 00:53:56.679
you want me to come on again, you can. You

933
00:53:56.719 --> 00:53:58.119
can you know, if you ever want me to come

934
00:53:58.159 --> 00:53:59.960
on again, I am good to do that. So you

935
00:54:00.119 --> 00:54:02.119
can ask me those of the questions I know you

936
00:54:02.119 --> 00:54:03.280
want to ask me. We'll do that.

937
00:54:04.159 --> 00:54:05.639
Thank you. Adam.

938
00:54:05.920 --> 00:54:08.920
Have you ever heard all the accounts of bigfoot activity

939
00:54:09.000 --> 00:54:12.199
around Oakridge, Oregon? And you think to yourself, Man, I

940
00:54:12.239 --> 00:54:15.079
would love to get out in those woods and experience

941
00:54:15.119 --> 00:54:19.639
it for myself. Well, guess what this year you can.

942
00:54:20.320 --> 00:54:23.280
If this is interesting to you, stay tuned because it's

943
00:54:23.280 --> 00:54:28.239
pretty cool. Sasquatch Summer Fest is coming up July tenth

944
00:54:28.320 --> 00:54:31.920
through the eleventh, twenty twenty six. It's going to be

945
00:54:32.000 --> 00:54:36.079
even better than the previous year's reason number one, I'll

946
00:54:36.119 --> 00:54:38.800
be one of the speakers. It's gonna be wild. I'll

947
00:54:38.840 --> 00:54:44.320
probably I'll say this. There may be stuff you haven't

948
00:54:44.360 --> 00:54:50.599
heard anywhere else, because let's just say sometimes it's well,

949
00:54:50.719 --> 00:54:52.679
you just got to be there. We'll leave it that

950
00:54:52.840 --> 00:54:55.519
more about looking for Bigfoot in the Oakridge Woods. Now

951
00:54:55.599 --> 00:55:00.719
check this out. You may know Jason Kenzie from his

952
00:55:00.840 --> 00:55:05.719
documentary series searching for Sasquatch. Well, this year, you can

953
00:55:05.719 --> 00:55:08.880
not only go to the festival, but you can also

954
00:55:09.719 --> 00:55:16.440
sign up for a track deep in the wild forest

955
00:55:16.559 --> 00:55:21.239
outside of Oakridge with Jason Kenzie to the Bigfoot Spots

956
00:55:21.599 --> 00:55:25.199
to look for Bigfoot. There's only eight spots to sign

957
00:55:25.280 --> 00:55:28.840
up for this, and yes, this will also be filmed

958
00:55:29.400 --> 00:55:32.119
for the next chapter in his documentary series, which is

959
00:55:32.280 --> 00:55:35.239
Searching for Sasquatch. This is a once in a lifetime deal.

960
00:55:35.440 --> 00:55:38.480
It's just it's going to be a wild, wild experience.

961
00:55:40.119 --> 00:55:43.559
To get a ticket, head on over to Sasquatch Summerfest

962
00:55:43.639 --> 00:55:48.199
dot com and listeners can use the code b sp

963
00:55:49.519 --> 00:55:53.000
like Bigfoot Society podcast in order to get a two

964
00:55:53.079 --> 00:55:56.000
day pass for the price of a one day pass.

965
00:55:56.480 --> 00:56:01.079
So thanks to Priscilla for giving you that code so

966
00:56:01.159 --> 00:56:07.599
that you guys can can get a little help with

967
00:56:07.639 --> 00:56:10.920
the cost there. Appreciate that, Priscilla. I hope to see

968
00:56:10.960 --> 00:56:15.159
you at the booth in Oakridge this year. We can

969
00:56:15.239 --> 00:56:17.519
talk about your encounter. Was able to talk to so

970
00:56:17.639 --> 00:56:21.199
many people last year and the year before. It is

971
00:56:21.280 --> 00:56:24.159
an incredible time. You're not going to want to miss it,

972
00:56:24.440 --> 00:56:28.920
and I'll see you there before we wrap this episode,

973
00:56:28.960 --> 00:56:31.559
I want to say something directly to a very specific

974
00:56:31.599 --> 00:56:35.079
group of listeners. If you're in the military, any branch

975
00:56:35.400 --> 00:56:38.079
or forces, and if you've seen something that no one

976
00:56:38.119 --> 00:56:41.320
can explain, or if you're a National park ranger or

977
00:56:41.480 --> 00:56:44.800
forestryt worker who's been told to stay quiet, or if

978
00:56:44.840 --> 00:56:48.440
you're a pilot who's seen something strange down on the ground,

979
00:56:48.800 --> 00:56:51.559
or if you're with the FBI a federal agency, or

980
00:56:51.639 --> 00:56:55.159
working intelligence and you stumbled upon something you're not allowed

981
00:56:55.199 --> 00:56:58.199
to talk about. And if you're a firefighter, paramedic, or

982
00:56:58.280 --> 00:57:01.880
search and rescue responder who's heard screams or found tracks

983
00:57:02.039 --> 00:57:05.039
that didn't make sense. If you're in the logging industry

984
00:57:06.000 --> 00:57:08.880
on a remote oil field, or a trucker with government

985
00:57:08.960 --> 00:57:12.559
contracts and you've had something happen that you've never told

986
00:57:12.599 --> 00:57:16.239
a soul. And if you're a biologist, a wildlife specialist,

987
00:57:16.440 --> 00:57:19.800
or a field researcher under contract who has found evidence

988
00:57:19.960 --> 00:57:21.360
you're not allowed to report.

989
00:57:21.880 --> 00:57:22.280
If you're a.

990
00:57:22.320 --> 00:57:26.039
Pastor, a missionary, or someone on a spiritual retreat and

991
00:57:26.079 --> 00:57:28.880
you saw something that shook your faith, or if you

992
00:57:28.960 --> 00:57:32.760
work in the shadows, CIA, NSA, or anything with clearance

993
00:57:33.280 --> 00:57:37.039
and you've seen what the public hasn't, then I want

994
00:57:37.079 --> 00:57:41.960
to talk to you, even if it's anonymous. You can

995
00:57:42.000 --> 00:57:45.719
reach me at Bigfoot Society at gmail dot com. The

996
00:57:45.800 --> 00:57:50.000
world needs to hear what you've been forced to carry alone.

997
00:57:50.159 --> 00:57:54.840
And you're not alone. You've got the story, We've got

998
00:57:54.840 --> 00:57:58.519
the mic. See you in the woods. Thank you for

999
00:57:58.559 --> 00:58:01.480
listening to this episode of the Big Society Podcast. Every

1000
00:58:01.559 --> 00:58:04.079
encounter we share reminds us that the world is bigger

1001
00:58:04.119 --> 00:58:06.960
and stranger than we think, and that the truth is

1002
00:58:07.000 --> 00:58:10.119
often hiding just beyond the tree line. If you enjoyed

1003
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1010
00:58:31.639 --> 00:58:34.400
or someone you know has had a Bigfoot sighting, please

1011
00:58:34.519 --> 00:58:36.880
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1012
00:58:36.960 --> 00:58:40.719
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1017
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1018
00:58:58.239 --> 00:59:00.400
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1019
00:59:00.800 --> 00:59:03.199
Thanks again for following along with the Big Fat Society

1020
00:59:03.320 --> 00:59:06.239
until next time, Keep your eyes open, trust your gut,

1021
00:59:06.280 --> 00:59:08.519
and never stop asking what else might be out there?

1022
00:59:08.719 --> 00:59:09.679
And see you in the woods.