July 27, 2025

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Season 1

What really happened that night on Glastenbury Mountain — when something large walked between two tents in the dead of night… and vanished without a trace?

In this gripping episode of Bigfoot Society, we sit down with Dave, a retired police detective and lifelong hunter from southern Vermont. Dave shares his chilling encounter from the late 1980s, when he and his brother camped deep in the infamous Bennington Triangle — a region haunted by legends of disappearances, strange lights, and Bigfoot sightings. What they felt walk through their camp changed how they saw the wilderness forever.

But it doesn’t stop there. Years later, in a remote Adirondack hunting cabin, something strange happened again — screens ripped open 11 feet high, a man waking up outside with the door still locked, lights in the sky, and guttural howls echoing from the treeline.

This episode will take you from Green Mountain shadows to Adirondack isolation — where something big is still watching.

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You're listening to Big for Society, and I'm Jeremiah Byron.

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Tonight's account is from a retired detective who has come

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face to face with an interesting area in the Adirondacks

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of New York, bigfoot activity, and so much more. You'll

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not want to miss this episode, so stay with us,

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all right, Big the Society. You've got the privilege of

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talking to Dave today. Dave is an individual that has

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an interesting background. He's from the southern Vermont in eastern

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New York area and he's been a lifelong hunter and outdoorsman.

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Also has a background of being a retired police officer

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where he was a detective for many years. So welcome

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to the show, Dave.

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How's it going, man, I'm doing good.

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Absolutely. We were talking a little bit before we started

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recording that it's pretty rare to be able to get

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individuals talking about Vermont on the show. So really glad

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to have you on the show today and just to

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hear some different things about what you've experienced and what

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you've heard. You know, I'm going to go ahead and

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pass things over to you, Dave, and feel free to

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you know, take us back to the first account that

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you'd like to share and what exactly happened that day.

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Okay, sounds good.

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The first one who is on the Vermont side. It's

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probably in the late eighties, reflecting back probably eighty seven

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eighty eight, and there's an area in southern Vermont the

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people that listen called the Bennington Triangle, more specifically Glostonbury Mountain.

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So at the time that time, back in the late eighties,

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my brother and I had decided to go hiking, and

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basically there's a fire tower on top of Glossombury and

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we're looking to do the shortcut via the snowmobile trails

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to get to the top versus the long I think

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it's twelve thirteen miles if you come in from either

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the north or the south. And so we were going

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to do this just as a quick overnight and we

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had gone up there for the most part following a

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log road. Then we were trying to do the cross

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country method and it was getting a little bit later,

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and we didn't have a whole lot of gear with us.

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It was summertime, so we basically had some rope start

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or piece of plastic. I think my brother had a

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military poncho or something like that, and it also looked

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like it was going to be storming here shortly, so

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we had to quit something to eat, set up our camp,

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and probably an hour or so later it did start

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raining thunderstorm, and we just basically called it a night.

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Through the night after it rains, it's very quiet. The

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grounds went Obviously, I was woken up and by something

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stirring around in our little camp area. The other thing

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is we we had to hike quite away in around

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to find a flat spot big enough for two of

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our little ten type things, and so we didn't have

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a lot of room between them, I would say no

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more than six feet, and whatever was moving around was

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was moving kind of around the circumference of the camp site,

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and then at one point it was actually between the

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two tents and laying on the ground, I could actually

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feel the impact of the when when the foot hit

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the ground, I could just feel it in my body

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and at the time just remember thinking what is that?

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And nothing really, nothing else happened after that, listened to that,

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and eventually it just kind of went away. And so

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in the morning when my brother and I were talking

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about it, I said, did you hear that too? And

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he said yes, And we did a quick little recount

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of the area to see if we could see tracks

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or anything like that, and there was nothing. The only

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odd thing that we did find was like the stone

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post of a house or a cabin at some point

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that was maybe seventy five yards away. But nothing, no tracks,

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anything like that. And I've hunted my whole life since

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very young. There's basically three animals deer, moose, and a

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bear that could that are on the large side.

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I've hunted in Alaska, so they.

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Will walk through a camp, but this just didn't sound

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like a moose. A bears very quiet in the deer

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certainly with the human set is not going to go

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anywhere near that. So Clostenberry's quite tall for a mountain

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in the northeast, it's a little over thirty seven hundred feet,

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and I would say we were probably two thirds away

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up somewhere on there on one of those little shelves

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at the time. You know, back then, the Big Vote

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was a thing, but not really on the front pages

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of everything, not common, and I never put that together.

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Just we just wrote it off and moved on and

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didn't really think too much about it. That's kind of

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my Vermont side of that is.

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That is very interesting, Dave. And it's an area where

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you know, you mentioned the Bennington Triangle and there's so

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many weird things that happened in that area. Probably listeners

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are aware. I know Small Town Monsters is coming out

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with a documentary soon on it. But I mean, you've

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got missing people, you've got Bigfoot reports, you've got all

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sorts of really weird stuff. Were you then at that

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time in your life? Were you interested in Bigfoot or

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aware of it or what was your relation to the

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topic at that time?

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At that time, I was certainly aware. I think when

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I was very probably a teenager, we went and saw

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I May Butcher the name, but the legend of Bobby Creek.

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I was aware of the Patterson Gumblin pictures. But I

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think there was some TV shows that might have had

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some big push stuff too, But it certainly wasn't on

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my on my radar.

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Gotcha so Stormy, Rainy. Were there any weird smells out

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of the ordinary during that time?

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You know, thinking back to it, Uh, the only thing

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it's gonna sound weird, but like stale air, Like the

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air was just still and stale, like a very human room,

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walking into a human room.

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Gotcha And it wasn't like a I'm just trying to

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think of the last storm I went through out in

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the Midwest. Not like an ozone type, you know, when

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there's lightning strikes and you smell that ozone. Nothing like that.

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No, okay, no, you know, we were uh that area

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kind of it's on the eastern edge of the Hudson

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Valley Hudson River Valley, so you can see quite a

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ways out through depending on what other mountains might be

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in your way. But so we could see the storm

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in the valley.

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And as it came.

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But I don't recall any lightning anywhere near us, but

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we could see some.

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Oh, I'm definitely sure. It's it's such a beautiful area.

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When you were looking around for tracks the next day,

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did you notice any let's say, maybe any any broken

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branches or anything that would have shown that something large

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would have been walking through the area off the trees.

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And no, and no moose tracks. You know. Since then,

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since that time, I've kind of reflected back and like

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I said, I've hunted Alaska with moose, and I know

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what I'm looking for or you know, is whether it's

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a cow or a bull they'll just charge right through

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and they'll break stuff as they go along. So but

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there was nothing and we didn't even see any kind

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of tracks. You know, if it was a move, you

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would see the impression in the ground, and we saw nothing.

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Was there any Did this affect you emotionally in any

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way after? Is it maybe just a thing where you're

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just like, well, that was kind of odd hearing footprints

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and not seeing anything after.

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At that point in time, Yeah, that's really what it was.

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It was like, well, that was weird and I can't

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really explain it, but okay, and you know, since learning

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more about that area, because the years progress, you know,

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you can make an argument that it was definitely a

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weird experience and I don't have answers for.

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It, absolutely, And what you just said is kind of

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similar to what I'm about to ask, you know, And

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after this time, it sounds like then you became a

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police officer or detective specifically, and so you're constantly looking

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at anythings into two things. Did you did you at

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any point look back at this time and say, oh,

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you know, there's something else that happened close to this

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area that was reported regarding bigfoot or something else. Any

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connections like that.

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The only thing a guy I knew one day, you know,

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we were just we're just literally talking and we're talking

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about weird things up on the mountain and this would

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have been well into the two thousands, and he said, yeah,

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I was riding my ATV up there, and you know,

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I saw this and it was a flip phone and

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it was a picture off a flip phone. And he's like,

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what is this? And I looked at it and I'm like, well,

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I don't know, but it's big and it's brown and

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it looks like a gorilla.

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And I tried getting that.

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Picture from him, but he since passed and it's gone

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to wherever now. But you know, and I told him

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about the experience with something walking through our camp, and

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you know, it would have had to have been something

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very good on its feet, because these tents weren't very

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far apart and only talking the foot or two between

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the two tents, and to walk between them without knocking

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things over is.

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Almost like it was able to walk in a straight line.

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It would have to, yes, exactly. Hmmm. I love hearing

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stories like that where it's like you saw something on

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a flip phone, because you know, in that time, you

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didn't have to worry about AI photos or anything like that.

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You know.

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It's just it was a different time when it comes

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to bigfoot photos. Even though stuff could be faked, it's

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I think you had a less of a chance of it.

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So that that's so, it looked very similar to a gorilla.

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You were saying things you've seen before.

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The picture. The color was like that of alliance that

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that can brown color. And it was very muscular on

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its front half and it was squat The front half

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was taller. It was like a gorilla stands almost and

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you know, the back was at an angle. It was

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definitely going down on all fours. And and again I

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don't know of any animals that are up there. The

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state of Vermont probably has mountain lions up there, and

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that's what you know, it could have been a rather

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large mountain lion. They'll deny that they're there, but they're there,

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you know, because the quality of the picture wasn't that great,

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but it clearly was a large animal. Wow.

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So it was definitely it was a front front view

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of of whatever was in that photo. Then yeah, okay,

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gotcha any any and I know you said it was

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a low detail of it, we were able to see

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that the head or the face at all.

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Uh. And and again it looked just like a gorilla's base.

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It was if I was looking at the picture, it

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was a side profile shot looking to the right, and

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the animal or whatever it was was looking right straight,

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like completely to the right of the screen. So I

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had a good profile shot. It's hard to judge size

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or judge distance based on that picture, but forty to

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fifty yards maybe, And you know, it had that I

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hate to sound like everybody else, but that cone head

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shape with the extended jaw right, and that's really what

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it looked like.

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That's wild, That is absolutely wild.

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The thing that impressed me was just the muscular of

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the shoulders and like the arms seemed to be very muscular.

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Since that time, have you ever seen any other piece

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of meat? Yeah, that comes close to what you saw

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in that Uh, in that photo, I.

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Have not having come from that area. There's always stories

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and stuff. There was a story of one supposedly crossing

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Group seven. Somebody supposedly admitted to that dressing up in

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a suit and crossing. We don't, I don't know, gotcha.

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So and so you're saying there's Over the years, you've

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heard other reports uh from this this Bennington Triangle area

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southern Vermont as well. Did you ever get any any

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calls or anything when you were an active police officer

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or detective that you're like, oh, the one that might

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be connected to uh to Bigfoot?

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Not really. We did have a couple of people getting

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it get lost stuck in there because our area would

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have covered that. And you know, unfortunately, everybody that was

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lost was lost for just a short period of time

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and we were able to get them out, you know,

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with the agencies that were involved. So nobody when I

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was active, there was nobody that was lost never found.

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That's good, I mean, that's the best. That's the thing

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you want to hear is that the people that were

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lost were able to be to be found. I mean,

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so often the story is different than that. I mean,

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especially if you get out in places like the Pacific Northwest.

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But you know, after you had this this is odd experience,

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How did this affect the rest of your life when

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it comes to Bigfoot?

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I would say that as Bigfoot became more of a

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thing and more socially accepted, I had thought back to

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that and said, you know, maybe because I don't have

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an answer as to what went through there, And so

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the biggest thing is that I'm more open to the

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idea now. That area is not too far from Whitehall, so,

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you know, which is supposedly one of the hot spots

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in the Northeast. So I look at it as, yeah,

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that that's very probable that there was something there. And

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the other thing is, you know, it's kind of a

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stats kind of person in statistical probability and different things,

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but Vermont is very for There's a lot of mountains,

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a lot of forests where something could in fact travel

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very easily from north to south with no problem not

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be seen.

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Absolutely, and yeah, I think a lot of people don't

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realize how wild it can get in that area of

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the Northeast. So I definitely definitely agree with you on that, Dave.

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There's a reservoir on the backside of Clawstonbury that we

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used to go fishing at, and you know, it's a

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fourteen mile ride just to get to the reservoir of

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just a dirt road, so it's very vast up in there,

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and people just don't realize you can get turned around

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pretty easily.

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Absolutely. We took a trip over there when I had

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visited New England a month or so ago, and uh,

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it's just crazy. Once you drive into Green Mountain National Forest, Uh,

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you can just go and go and go, and it

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is very daunting area for the for the northeast is

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very I would say, it's very easy for something to

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hide out in there and for people not to see it.

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I did notice a lot of prior camp sites in

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that area had been shut down for different reasons, so

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that was interesting as well. But uh, Dave you said

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that you you also have another interesting experience too to

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share about an area kind of close by, but uh,

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maybe a little a little further.

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Yeah, someone friend has a a hunting camp and it's

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it's basically the center of the Adirondack Mountains and and

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that's what it choose for is uh hunting area. It's

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a small cabin on some lease logging land and he's

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had it for about five years ago or five years now,

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and the first couple of years, you know, we're just

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kind of learning the lay of the land. That would

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be myself, him and another guy that would go up

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there primarily, and there's some others that go later, but

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I've not yet met them, So he relates this story

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to me.

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I wasn't there.

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I got there about a week later. I live in

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South Carolina, so it's a pretty good hike for me

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to get from there to New York now or Vermont.

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But I do make it up there a couple of

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times a year. And so a couple of years ago

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he and a friend, the other guy that's in the camp.

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It was opening weekend of their season, I believe, so

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late October, and they were just up there. It might

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have been the weekend before opening weekend. I'm not one

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hundred percent sure, but it was the end of October

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and they were up there and they'd had a few

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beers and they're sharing war stories and what have you,

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and about midnight they decided to call it a night

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and go to bed. So I'll give you the layout

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of the camp. First. It's on a killed that it

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slopes to the back, and on the back of the

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camp there's a door, but there's no steps or anything yet.

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It just opens up and it's probably seven foot drop,

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maybe eight foot drops if you were to walk out there.

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Windows on either side. The bedrooms are more to the back,

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the back corner and along the wall is one room,

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so that's where the beds are, and in the other

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room there's a wood stove in like a camp sink

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and a little stove and that sort of stuff. In

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the front door has a twist lock and a dead bowl,

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and the dead bowl is a pain in the neck

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to get open. You really have to pull on the

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door to get its a lot. It's just difficult. So

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on that particular night they go to bed in. About

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an hour later, my friend, he says, he tells me

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he wakes up. He's standing outside. He's got his shorts on,

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his T shirt, and he's standing there in his socks,

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and he's kind of gazed a little bit and starts

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yelling and for the other guy. You know, I forgot

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to add that they started the wood stove. It's just

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good to keep the warms up the camp a little bit.

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But it had gotten hot in there, so they had

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cracked the windows, which have some screens on. And so anyway,

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he's outside and yelling for the other guy, and he

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ultimately opens up the front door and goes up there,

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and my friend, who stand there in his socks and

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again a little bit confused as to how he got there.

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His socks weren't muddy. If he had walked through the

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front door, Uh, he would have had a very difficult time,

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and he would have needed his keys to lock the door.

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The guy that came back out, his friend or our friend,

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said the door was still locked. The dead boat was

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still locked when he went to get the owner. And anyway,

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they're a little rattled by this, and they go back

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inside and they're looking and none of the flashlights in

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the camp. Fork is light that he keeps primarily wasn't working.

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And there's always a couple of headlamps hanging up, you know,

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in case somebody gets a deer or something. He's an

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extra one. None of those who are working. And after

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a while they finally drift off and go to sleep.

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He thought it was around four o'clock. So in the

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morning they get up and the kind of looking around

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the outside of the camp so on that let's see,

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it would have been the southern wall. There's a window

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in that screen door or the screen had been opened.

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The window had been open, but the screen was pulled

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off the upper left corner from the top down. That's

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fairly tall. We measured it and it's you know, between

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eleven and twelve feet for something to reach up there

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and pull that screen down. The interesting thing is is

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he said that they saw a handprint on the screen

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the size of a basketball. He has no idea how

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he got outside, no recollection of how he got outside.

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You know, I've asked him how many beers did you have?

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And he said we had luck too, so and again

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I you know, we're good at busting each other's chops,

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So I said, are you guys pulling my leg now?

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And my friend's over six foot there is no way

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that he fit through that little hole, you know, Like

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if he had was trying to play a prank on

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the other guy and get through that hole, there is

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absolutely no way. And he has bad kneeds from the army.

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So had he jumped out of there, he would have

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been in a pile outside had not been able to

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get up. My friend was actually a little rattled by that,

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which kind of surprised me. He told me he wasn't

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going back up there by himself, and he really didn't

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for a little bit. So I was able to get

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there the next week, I believe it was, and we

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were doing some it was probably two weeks, and we

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were getting ready to my friend and I were getting

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ready to go out for the morning and had our coffee.

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What have you? And our phones charged overnight. Now sale

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service isn't the great it is up there. It's actually

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pretty bad. Unless you get to the top of a

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couple of the mountains, you can get some service, but

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it doesn't drain them. And and I had shot my

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wife at tax and was getting, like I said, getting

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ready to leave, and next thing I know, my phone's

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power is at two percent. And my friend checked his

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and his is the same same thing, Like they're both drained,

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not dead, but drained, and post them like, what's going

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on with that? And I guess my desire to hunt

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was more than my desire to figure out what was

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going on with the phones. And we went our separate ways,

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and you know, when we met back up later that morning,

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he said, Hey, we're happen to your phone? And he said, well,

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it was a couple hours later, an hour and a

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half something like that. He said, my phone came back

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to full power and minded as well. So I've had

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phone since they'd come out, and I've never had one

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to do that, so especially to of them at the

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same time, I'm really not sure what would have cause that.

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So the year before that, so that would have been

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three years ago now, I believe. He said. I mentioned

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the back door, and there's a house out behind the camp.

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It is very dark out there, and generally you're not

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wanting around too far out there after dark, and so

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as guys, oftentimes we would just use the back door,

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open it up, take care of business. Well I had

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done that, and I was standing there and I'm watching

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these lights in the sky. It was almost like in

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the shape of a W, like each point on a W.

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And then all of a sudden they start dancing all

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over the sky and going at right angles and different things.

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And they stayed long enough for me to yell to

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Scott or my friend, and he comes over and looks

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at it and sees them doing the same thing. And

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he has a military background and four drums ways away

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from there, and I said, any chance in the military messing

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around and he's like no.

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So this went on probably.

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Thirty seconds maybe, and they were just at one point

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they just basically dissolved and disappeared. Now that direction would

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have been to the west. There is really not a

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lot out there for many miles to the west, so

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I'm not sure what that was all about. And then

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last year, my friend was up there with his dog

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and he had gotten a new bird dog, and he

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was up there by himself, and there's the camp is

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built on a side hill with a log road, and

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then there's this pretty significant mountain to the east and

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kind of a bowl between two mountains to the west,

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and a creek down in the bottom and some pines

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and that sort of thing, good size. And he was

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up there with his dog, and in that valley below

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the camp, he said he heard this long, loud how

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and that's what he just described it as. And he

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said he could hear like trees being broken, branches being broken,

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that sort of thing, and his dog is a hunting dog.

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His dog took off and went for the door for

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the camp and wanted inside. He said this went on

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for a couple of minutes, and he went and grabbed

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a weapon of some sort and went back out. He

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actually called me the day that happened, and I'm like,

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try to record it if you can, and he called

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me from right up there, and he never did get

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it recorded. And you know, I used to do forensic

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interviews with the cases, so you try not to ask

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leading questions. And I just suggested to him go to

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YouTube play some supposed big foot hollows and sounds and

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that sort of thing, and and you know, see if

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you can find something that matches or an animal sound

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that matches.

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And you know, it was I don't know, probably a.

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Week later it comes back and he says that I

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think it's at Ohio sound. He said it sounded just

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like it. So that was rather interesting to me. And

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that was just last year. And I went up the

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week after or let's see, I was there. I got

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there on election day, so November fourth, and and nothing, nothing, no,

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And I was there by myself for most of.

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The time, and you know, I didn't have.

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Any issues at all. So this year, in June, so

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just a month to go, we had gone. I'd gone

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up there. My friend was up there, and we're kind

466
00:33:06.920 --> 00:33:10.799
of getting ready getting the camp, some things that we

467
00:33:10.880 --> 00:33:15.319
wanted to do with the camp. And he had a

468
00:33:15.359 --> 00:33:19.319
contractor guy that had a skid scare and we were

469
00:33:19.359 --> 00:33:23.400
going to fix the if you want to call it

470
00:33:23.440 --> 00:33:26.119
a driveway where it loops in front of the camp,

471
00:33:26.599 --> 00:33:28.640
and the way the land is it gets kind of

472
00:33:28.680 --> 00:33:32.240
soggy right there in front, you know. So hence, like

473
00:33:32.319 --> 00:33:35.319
this story earlier where he had gone outside, his feet

474
00:33:35.319 --> 00:33:38.079
would have been muddy had he been there walking around

475
00:33:38.079 --> 00:33:41.400
with his socks out there. But anyway, we had this

476
00:33:41.480 --> 00:33:50.920
guy uh coming up and it was a Friday, and

477
00:33:52.200 --> 00:33:57.119
he did his work with his machine, and they were

478
00:33:57.319 --> 00:33:59.079
him and his worker. We're going to spend the night.

479
00:34:00.240 --> 00:34:03.880
Nine thirty. He went out to his truck to get

480
00:34:03.920 --> 00:34:08.920
some stuff, and he said he got a very uneasy

481
00:34:08.960 --> 00:34:12.440
feeling about being there, and like something was watching him,

482
00:34:12.480 --> 00:34:21.320
and he could actually hear some stuff stirn around. He

483
00:34:21.400 --> 00:34:25.119
didn't say that he saw anything, but my friend and

484
00:34:25.159 --> 00:34:28.519
I were talking about it after the fact, and this

485
00:34:28.599 --> 00:34:31.360
guy was supposed to spend Saturday night and did not,

486
00:34:31.800 --> 00:34:34.239
So we don't know if maybe he got a little

487
00:34:34.360 --> 00:34:38.400
spooked by that, because my friend did tell him about

488
00:34:38.400 --> 00:34:40.840
some of the strange things that happened the next day,

489
00:34:40.880 --> 00:34:43.639
but nobody had said anything to him about some of

490
00:34:43.639 --> 00:34:47.920
the strange things that happened, I can't before that, so

491
00:34:48.000 --> 00:34:56.440
he was completely oblivious to that sort of thing. And

492
00:34:56.480 --> 00:34:59.719
you know that Saturday, I had taken the side by

493
00:34:59.719 --> 00:35:01.639
side down the road because I was looking and going

494
00:35:01.719 --> 00:35:06.480
to look at a little spot where to put up

495
00:35:06.480 --> 00:35:11.840
a trail camp. And as we come back around to

496
00:35:11.960 --> 00:35:15.119
the camp, it's two three miles back in there, there

497
00:35:15.159 --> 00:35:19.000
was a bear right there in the road and the

498
00:35:19.079 --> 00:35:22.519
dog was running beside the side by side. So when

499
00:35:22.519 --> 00:35:24.760
he sees us, he turned around and he stood up

500
00:35:24.800 --> 00:35:27.440
unassigned legs and just kind of looked at us for

501
00:35:27.480 --> 00:35:31.559
a few seconds. And there is no way that a

502
00:35:31.559 --> 00:35:34.800
bear could have reached that window. It's just not They're

503
00:35:34.960 --> 00:35:36.960
just not that big. And this was probably a two

504
00:35:37.000 --> 00:35:46.519
hundred pounds bear. So yeah, that area has certainly got

505
00:35:46.599 --> 00:35:54.719
some weird things happening. It seems to center primarily in October,

506
00:35:54.880 --> 00:36:02.159
late October. So that's the story of the camp. Wow.

507
00:36:02.639 --> 00:36:05.840
How tall would you estimate that bear to be when

508
00:36:05.840 --> 00:36:09.039
it was on its hind legs.

509
00:36:09.880 --> 00:36:14.119
He's probably four foot between four and four and a

510
00:36:14.119 --> 00:36:17.320
half feet. You know, he wasn't right up there tall tall,

511
00:36:17.360 --> 00:36:19.760
but he was kind of on his unches a little bit,

512
00:36:21.320 --> 00:36:24.519
and he wasn't moving. I had to yell at the dog,

513
00:36:24.639 --> 00:36:27.199
and you know, I finally yelled at the bear and

514
00:36:27.239 --> 00:36:30.880
he finally took off, so he wasn't afraid.

515
00:36:33.039 --> 00:36:37.679
Wow, So you have this area not only potential Bigfoot activity,

516
00:36:37.760 --> 00:36:42.400
but some kind of either lights in the woods or

517
00:36:42.840 --> 00:36:47.760
UFOs in the sky, something weird like that. It is

518
00:36:47.800 --> 00:36:51.920
a very very strange area. Have you looked to see

519
00:36:51.960 --> 00:36:56.440
if there's been reports in that area by other people

520
00:36:56.440 --> 00:36:58.480
of strange things? I know you said that it's in

521
00:36:58.519 --> 00:37:00.079
the adirondackx somewhere.

522
00:37:00.000 --> 00:37:03.920
There are a few other camps up in the area.

523
00:37:04.719 --> 00:37:07.599
So my friend one day he was he met up

524
00:37:07.639 --> 00:37:12.960
with one of the other camp owners and uh, the

525
00:37:13.039 --> 00:37:17.800
other guy had had a feudy drink and and my

526
00:37:17.880 --> 00:37:23.440
friend posed that question, you know this some weird things

527
00:37:23.519 --> 00:37:27.960
up here, and he just got an eye roll. So,

528
00:37:29.079 --> 00:37:32.840
and there's another guy that that we just back in June.

529
00:37:32.880 --> 00:37:36.360
We kind of I'm trying to walk him down that

530
00:37:36.440 --> 00:37:38.760
path to see if he would say anything, and he hasn't.

531
00:37:38.840 --> 00:37:41.440
He didn't and he's a lifelong I think he's a

532
00:37:41.440 --> 00:37:46.239
lifelong resident there of the closest town.

533
00:37:47.880 --> 00:37:54.280
Gotcha, has you know experiencing and hearing about these weird

534
00:37:54.480 --> 00:37:58.760
things happening around this cabin. Has it affected you going

535
00:37:59.599 --> 00:38:03.119
up there in any way? Or what's your what's your

536
00:38:03.239 --> 00:38:06.280
viewpoint now going up to this area? I mean, you

537
00:38:06.320 --> 00:38:08.719
have to travel all the way up from the south.

538
00:38:08.760 --> 00:38:15.239
You said, yes. I think at this point I'm more

539
00:38:15.280 --> 00:38:20.760
curious trying to figure out what impact is going on,

540
00:38:24.679 --> 00:38:31.480
and who knows, maybe I'll never know, but more curious

541
00:38:31.480 --> 00:38:36.119
and just kind of looking for answers. I think prior

542
00:38:36.280 --> 00:38:41.880
to the weird stuff, and I don't know if there's

543
00:38:41.880 --> 00:38:44.880
any connection between the lights and what had happened to

544
00:38:44.920 --> 00:38:47.719
my friend. But prior to that, if you had asked

545
00:38:47.760 --> 00:38:50.719
me what bigfoot was, I would have said a flesh

546
00:38:50.800 --> 00:38:56.239
and blood animal. And I guess I kind of maybe

547
00:38:56.280 --> 00:38:59.880
opened that door to something else. Now I'm not really sure.

548
00:39:01.599 --> 00:39:03.719
Yeah, I mean it's one of those things that makes

549
00:39:03.760 --> 00:39:06.920
you wonder, especially when you hear something like the guy

550
00:39:07.599 --> 00:39:13.159
that found himself outside and the door is still locked.

551
00:39:13.199 --> 00:39:16.960
I mean, there's not many logical I mean, I really

552
00:39:17.000 --> 00:39:21.519
can't think of any logical explanations for that man. That's

553
00:39:21.599 --> 00:39:23.440
just pretty weird stuff.

554
00:39:26.639 --> 00:39:33.920
And he has an extensive military training where he spent

555
00:39:34.039 --> 00:39:36.000
time in the field. You know, I don't want to

556
00:39:36.199 --> 00:39:42.559
put too much information out there, but he was highly trained,

557
00:39:42.719 --> 00:39:45.360
now leave it at that, so for him to be

558
00:39:45.599 --> 00:39:52.159
a little bit rattled, it makes you wonder.

559
00:39:54.760 --> 00:39:58.960
Yeah, absolutely, anyone that's been up in that area. Have

560
00:39:59.199 --> 00:40:03.840
they started to have things happen afterwards that are unexplainable,

561
00:40:03.960 --> 00:40:05.800
like at home, Like all of a sudden, it's like, oh,

562
00:40:05.880 --> 00:40:10.960
now there's weird stuff happening at at our home residence.

563
00:40:12.519 --> 00:40:13.639
Not that I'm aware of.

564
00:40:19.559 --> 00:40:23.760
And you know, after he relayed that story to me,

565
00:40:23.800 --> 00:40:27.800
I did some quick looking online and stuff for the

566
00:40:28.000 --> 00:40:32.639
Adirondack Mountains and there's nothing really specific about you know,

567
00:40:36.159 --> 00:40:38.880
you know, the woods being hontaged or anything like that.

568
00:40:39.119 --> 00:40:45.880
So it's very dark because there's not a lot of

569
00:40:46.639 --> 00:40:51.440
popular population in that area. So uh, you know, you

570
00:40:51.519 --> 00:40:54.559
can see the stars very well. There's not a lot

571
00:40:54.599 --> 00:40:59.920
of aircraft traffic, if anything. I've I've heard the mill

572
00:41:00.079 --> 00:41:02.559
carry jets overhead and actually see them, so they go

573
00:41:03.719 --> 00:41:11.840
do their things. Sometimes that's during the daytime, but yeah,

574
00:41:12.559 --> 00:41:17.159
it's it's again, that's a very remote area up in here,

575
00:41:18.360 --> 00:41:20.320
day walk for miles.

576
00:41:20.360 --> 00:41:24.840
It's a fascinating account, and I think even even coolers

577
00:41:24.880 --> 00:41:28.000
when you have accounts like this where it is continuing.

578
00:41:28.039 --> 00:41:30.719
I mean, you guys are going to keep going up

579
00:41:30.719 --> 00:41:35.159
to that area at certain times of years, and it'll

580
00:41:35.159 --> 00:41:37.800
be interesting to see if it continue, if weird things

581
00:41:37.920 --> 00:41:41.559
continue to happen or you know, yeah, I'd love it

582
00:41:41.559 --> 00:41:44.400
if you were able to keep in touch if things

583
00:41:44.519 --> 00:41:46.280
continue to occur up there.

584
00:41:47.920 --> 00:41:54.360
Absolutely, we were discussing plans for this year's season already,

585
00:41:54.440 --> 00:41:57.119
so there you go.

586
00:41:57.199 --> 00:41:59.679
And Dave, I want to make sure you know before

587
00:41:59.679 --> 00:42:02.480
we we close out our time that you were able

588
00:42:02.519 --> 00:42:05.760
to share everything that you had wanted to share on

589
00:42:05.800 --> 00:42:08.480
the show today.

590
00:42:09.159 --> 00:42:09.760
I believe so.

591
00:42:10.000 --> 00:42:14.559
Yes, fantastic. Well, thank you so much for coming forward

592
00:42:14.639 --> 00:42:21.400
and for sharing a few just very interesting things about

593
00:42:21.519 --> 00:42:23.400
an area of the country we don't hear a lot

594
00:42:23.440 --> 00:42:27.599
about on this show, Southern Vermont and the Adirondacks. And

595
00:42:28.440 --> 00:42:30.519
thank you for coming on and definitely keep in touch

596
00:42:30.960 --> 00:42:34.320
if things continue to happen up there in the Adirondacks.

597
00:42:34.440 --> 00:42:38.280
Dave, I will, and thank you for having me.

598
00:42:38.519 --> 00:42:39.840
Just wanted to take a minute to say thank you

599
00:42:39.920 --> 00:42:42.559
for listening to this episode of the Bigfoot Society podcast.

600
00:42:43.000 --> 00:42:44.760
Dave's stories are the kind that stay with you, not

601
00:42:44.840 --> 00:42:46.760
just because of what walked between the tents or what

602
00:42:46.880 --> 00:42:49.719
ripped open a screen eleven feet off the ground, but

603
00:42:49.800 --> 00:42:52.599
because of who he is. A lifelong hunter, a detective,

604
00:42:52.679 --> 00:42:55.079
a man who can't be rattled easily and yet something

605
00:42:55.119 --> 00:42:58.760
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