May 4, 2025

Alone in Deadhead Swamp: A Michigan Hunter’s Sasquatch Story

What happens when a seasoned Michigan hunter sets up camp deep in a forgotten swamp — and wakes up to something screaming just beyond the treeline? In this chilling and riveting episode, we sit down with Nate, an outdoorsman from Roscommon County, who...

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Season 1

What happens when a seasoned Michigan hunter sets up camp deep in a forgotten swamp — and wakes up to something screaming just beyond the treeline? In this chilling and riveting episode, we sit down with Nate, an outdoorsman from Roscommon County, who shares his terrifying overnight encounter at the Deadhead Swamp near Houghton Lake.

Nate recounts the blood-curdling screams, the deafening howls, and the massive tracks he found the next morning — footprints that changed everything he thought he knew about the woods. You’ll hear about vocalizations that rival the legendary Sierra Sounds, missing hunters in the same forest, and why Nate has never set foot in that part of Michigan again.

If you’re into stories that blend real wilderness experience with the unexplained, you won't want to miss this one. From Michigan’s eerie swamps to Nate’s emotional journey of discovery, this episode will leave you questioning what really lives in America’s wild places.

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You're listening to Bigfoot Society, and I'm Jeremiah Byron Tonight's

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story isn't from a camper or a curious tourist. It's

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from a Michigan hunter who knew every sound the woods

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could make until something shattered the silence. Three voices, bone

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chilling screams, and footprints unlike anything he'd ever seen. Alone

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in Deadhead Swamp, under a sky full of stars, Nate

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faced something ancient and it left him forever changed. This

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is in folklore. It's not a misidentified animal. It's a

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first hand account from someone who knows the forest better

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than most. And this is the story of Nate and

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the Night Michigan Swamps screened back. So stay with us.

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I pick the Society. I've got the privilege of talking

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to Nate today. Nate is a listener of the show

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from out there in the great state of Michigan, and

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he's got some interesting things to share today. He's a

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hunter and an outdoorsman as well. But welcome to the

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show today, Nate. How's it going pretty good?

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Thank you for having me absolutely.

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You know, I always enjoy talking to those that are

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our hunters and outdoorsmen. You all have a very interesting

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way of experiencing what happened out there. And I'm just

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thankful for you coming on the show. So I'm going

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to make sure that you have the time to share

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what you need to today, Nate. So I'll go ahead

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and pass things over to you and we'll go from there.

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All right, Thanks, appreciate you. Ron. So I guess it

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goes I was. I think it was. I believe it

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was two thousand and one, and I would go to

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the Northern Lower Peninsulent Michigan and Ross Common State Game

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Area near Holton Lake, Ross County County. And my family

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we've been going there off and on for many years.

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We would go there for usually rough grouse hunting and

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a little duck hunting and stuff like that, an occasional

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bull Huntingford Dear and I was there. I believe it

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was the first weekend. The growse season opens on September fifteenth,

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and so it would be the first Saturday, first week,

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first full weekend that was available for the open And

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I drove there and was there Saturday and basically spent

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the day walking around in the It's a I think

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the day the people of the neighborhood call it the

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dead Horse or Deadhead Swamp. It's a pretty big area,

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doesn't have any roads in it right there. It's kind

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of basically on the west side of the freeway. And

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I drove a few miles back in there an area

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where I camped. There's a clearing that I like camping,

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maybe two or three miles back in on the state

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game area. And I spent the day walking around basically

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just looking for birds, and it wasn't much going on.

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It was a little a little dry. And I got

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back Saturday night, Saturday evening, and had something to eat

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and was just hanging out by the fire and went

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to bed. I was pretty tired. Probably walked six eight

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miles there and in the afternoon and maybe a few

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in the morning, probably total ten to fifteen miles circling around.

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So I grew up early, right before dark, and I

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woke up sometime in the middle of the night. Something

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woke me up. And I've never woke up where I

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like are shocked awake. I guess you could say where

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you get scared, like you're scared awake. I woke up something,

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something woke me up and spook me and I sat

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there and there was something screaming outside of my tent,

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really loud. I've been going there for a long time,

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been all over Michigan, but in the up all over

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the place. It wasn't. It was the volume on It

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was really loud. Is what scared me at the first,

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like you know, concerned me. And it was after it

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went on for quite some time. So as I listened

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to it, you know, I sat there initially you're frightened

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over it, you know, and then I kind of calmed

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down with it. While I was going to continued to

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scream and it wasn't. The volume was just like it was.

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It was ear splitting and h The duration it was

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it was so long and loud like it was. I've

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heard you know, foxes or you know bobcats, and a

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fox can scare you pretty good. They make quite the noise.

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But this was just like whenever was young. It was

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too big. It couldn't. No animal that rode out of

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Michigan seemed like would have little lungs just the capacity

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to make a sound. It was that loud or that long,

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but it would. It screamed maybe five or six times

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real loud, maybe a few minutes heart and then I

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guess it was probably in this clearing. I mean it's

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maybe one hundred yards across. The woods are maybe thirty

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or forty yards from my tent. I got. I was

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up in the tent with the windows slightly open, looking out.

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It was dark. I couldn't see anything, but it sounded

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like it was just inside the woodline for my tent.

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The one because it was screaming on and off, but

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then another one would scream. There would be a different

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scream that would come for maybe a one hundred and

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fifty yards down the woodline. This one would scream a

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couple of times, and like this one, the other one

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would answer, and you could tell because there were two

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different sounds. One the first one was real and it

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was real shrieky, like high pitched, almost like a woman's screaming,

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but like it would have to be a you know,

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it wasn't as high pitched as like let's say, like

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you know, like a woman screaming, but it had that

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shrill sound to it, and it was long and you know,

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very loud. And the other one would do a similar screen,

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but it was it sounded more more deep in tone.

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They they screamed back and forth with each other for

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I don't know how long. I was pretty amped up

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in the tent and couldn't tell. You know, time probably

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seemed like a take forever, but you know, maybe for

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I'd say forty five minutes or an hour. They kind

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of back and forth, vocalizing like the They never really moved.

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But then a third one would come down to clearingum

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and it's probably two or three hundred yards long, and

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at the far end it would come back. But it

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sounded like it was a lot. It was a much

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more deeper tone. It wasn't a shrill and it was

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it washuge. It sounded like whatever it was. It had

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lungs like a horse. It was as loud as it

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could be, and just real, real deep tone like wall,

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you know, like that he would and what what it

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would end? It would like hubbub hop help. It would

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make some kind of weird like almost like gibberish at

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the end of it, hulhub hop this weird noise. But

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it would only answer periodically. So the one closest to

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me was screaming all it was doing the most, making

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the most noise, and I I was afraid to go

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out to I wasn't getting out of the tent. I

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was in there with the shot gunloaded, and like I

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didn't know what it was. I've heard it in the dark.

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Then scared by raccoons, you know, I'll ran into a

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few things that this was like you could feel it

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and like it was. It was so loud it would

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make you shake, like it was. It Literally, I've never

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been that scared about something like that. And the one

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closest to me, which would make the shrieking scream for

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a few seconds seven eight, ten seconds maybe, and then

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it would stop, and the other one would answer and

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it would scream, and then the other the what I

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assume was the biggest one. It sounded like at the

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farthest away, he would only answer whatever. It would only

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make a call every every ten five ten, five six times.

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These things would vote would talk to each other. Basically,

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it sounded like it's like they were young. Two were

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yelling back and forth each other, and the one at

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the end was telling them to be quiet. I mean,

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that's what it was like. He was. It was this one,

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you know, real loud ro you know. And uh, finally,

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the the one with the deep voice, it stopped. It

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quit making any racket. It sounded. The one closest to

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me would would call a little less frequently, and the

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second one I would say was maybe you one hundred

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and fifty two hundred yards away. For me, at most,

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it seemed like it only made a few noises and

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then like it cut out. And the one that was

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just inside the tree line for my tent, like you

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could almost hear it, like where it would screech, would scream,

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and then it would like it was losing, like like

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no one was answered, like it would be a little

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less and a little less, and finally like it just

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made like, oh you know, it's a little grunts and stuff,

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and uh, kind of just cut out and then it

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stopped in entirety. So they went on for quite a

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long time at night, and I was, I was pretty

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weird at all about it. I'm not gonna lie it was.

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I was pretty nervous in the tent, so I got

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I stayed it was. I stayed up till it was

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broad daylight, peeking out the window, never saw anything. And

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then when it was daylight, I finally opened the tent

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and looked he run kainst it and I just literally

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threw everything in, pulled the palls out of my tent,

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threw everything on top of the tent, folded the tent up,

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and set it in the back of my backup, and

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I baled out of there and was gone, like I left.

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So if you drive down out of there, you go

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down up down the two track aways and it goes

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and there's a spot where it splits a big swamp

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before you get back to the Mellsville Road where the

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freeways at. I drove down that road in the swamp

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and I stopped and I sat there the truck and

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I thought for a minute, like, you know, what was

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that last night? Like I had no idea. I was

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just sitting there kind of like never heard anything like that,

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and AS just pretty freaked out about it. So I

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sit there thinking, I was like, you know, I'm like,

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I don't go back, and look like I'm gonna wonder

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forever what that was. Like, I didn't. I didn't think

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it was a good idea to go back. I don't know,

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but I sat there for a minute and thought, well,

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I'll go back with the truck and I'll just I'll

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drive back and I won't drive all the way back

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to my campsite. There's a you take a couple of

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forks and it goes through a great big clearing, and

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then the two track goes into the woods and then

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it reaches and it forks again, and then Mike, the

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clearing eye was in is on the left fork. So

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I stopped in the main larger clearing, parked my truck

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turned around so it was facing back out the way

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I came in the field, got outloaded my shotgun, h

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got everything PUBB doctors on it. And I walked down

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the two track and I was just gonna walk down

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the two track back to where I was at and

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just nice and something. As I was walking, I was

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looking in the bushes. I was going real slow, almost

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like I was still hunting here, just trying to, you know,

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make sure I didn't walk in anything. I was just

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looking to see what was in front of me, you know,

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pretty nervous about it. I'm not gonna lie. And I

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got got down the sand and the two track, and

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I looked down and I saw there's like where the

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two track, saying the two track goes, there's basically like

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your two lanes where the tires of wore all of

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you know, the grass and the sodden stuff off, it's

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just sandy dirt, and then in the center there's that

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little bit of grass that goes the middle. There was

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a track and I could see there was a footprint

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track of something that had five toes, but I couldn't

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see the whole track because it had stepped down the

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grass and the toes were in the sand. And I

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looked at them, and then as I looked up, there

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was another one that was kind of the same way,

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like it was walking down the center of the two

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track where it was grassy, and I go, that's a

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big bear. Like, holy smokes, I go, that's a that's

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a huge bear track. I'm looking at it, you know,

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I got a size twell boot and like I can't.

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I can only see like basic of toes where it's

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walking down there. But I'm looking at it. I'm like, man, moose,

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are you know? Round told them, I'm like, that's got

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to be it. I'm thinking it's a bear and a

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boot behind it, and it's it's substantially wide the toes everything,

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and I'm like, man, that's a huge bear. Paw like

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that's a I'm like, hey, that's a BlackBerry. He's a beast,

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you know, I'm thinking, like, man, there's a big bear sez.

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I'm walking, I'm find the trucks. They kind of go

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down the center of the two track. There's about five

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six subtracks, but I'm noticing they cut out onto the

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sand and they're out of the grass and they're actually

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in the sand. And I walk up to the one

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in the sand. I'm like, Okay, here's the toes everything,

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but there's no claws on it. And then I look

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up and the next there's another track in front of it,

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but it's floor foot farther up. So I'm like, oh,

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this bear is the thing. I'm thinking he's moving, so

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I'm looking at it. I'm looking at the track and

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like the track is long, so I'm looking at myself.

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I'm thinking, like, you know, kyot and stuff. When they walk,

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they'll put their foot in the same hole almost kind

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it almost looks like he's walking on two feet. If

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he's in a little bit of snow or something like that,

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they step in something in the you know, this bear

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is hustling and he stepped in his track. When I'm

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looking at the track and I don't see I'm looking

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at the tracks going along there and I'm like, I

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kind of don't see a second set of toes in them.

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So I'm looking at the thing and I go down

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and there's like five six said maybe in total, let's

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say there was forty five or fifty tracks down the section.

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I could see on the two track there was quite

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a few tracks. But as I followed the first six

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eight ten, you know, they're all four or four or

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five foot apart, you know, it's big stride. I'm looking

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at them and I'm like this, yeah, I'm looking at

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him like they're now I'm not making sure that I

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don't get the like I gon't see a second bear

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track in them, you know, kind of like that stuff.

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And I'm like, they're weird. And they get down to

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the last one and then all of a sudden, they're

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like half is long, and I can see the toes

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and now the stride is like six and a half

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seven feet maybe, you know, it's so stanch exaggerated. That's

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how I'm watching. And I'm like this, you know, is

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this bear like on a full lope going down the

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trail And I'm looking at it and they're short. So

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I follow them and they go up to where the

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clearing forks to go to the clearing where I was

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camped at. So when it forks, you only have to

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go a little ways and then you're into the clearing.

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It's you know, fifty or seventy five yard, it's not

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very far. When it forks left, they've they stopped at

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the fork. And then where they stopped there was a

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bunch there was six to eight tracks. But they were long. Again,

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they weren't they were. I could put my size twell

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boot in it and you know it would it would

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fit comfortably inside the track, no problems, inch or two

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on each end, and you know what would you know,

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heal water than mine and everything. And I was looking

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at it and then like I'm six to like two

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hundred and thirty pounds at the time I get the

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sand had been ringed down. It was packed down pretty

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tough because the tire the truck didn't leave a whole

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lot of tracks in it too bad, you know, wasn't

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that soft. And I stopped my boot next to it,

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and I could leave like the cleat marks in the ground.

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But the track was you know, wasn't deep, but it

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was twice as deep as what I could stomp in

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the ground. With my cleats on my boots. It was

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pressed everyting. But the thing was is they went from

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these short tracks to these long tracks and then they

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were like kind of all pointed in different directions for

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a second, and I was seeing they're looking at it,

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and I'm like, so I walk forward and they're gone,

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so two around looked yeah, And I think what it

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did is it ran up to that dinner at fork

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before when I was came up, that had stopped and

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it stood around looking in a couple of different directions,

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and then it just stepped off the trail into the

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woods when there's some waist high brush. So I saw

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that and was like, I don't know, I'm I'm getting

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out of here. So I got loaded up, walked back,

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got headed back to the truck and got everything, put

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my stuff in the truck, and I drove out of there,

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and I drove home, and I you know, didn't do

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much think much about it till you know, I told

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my one buddy who I saw, and he told me

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I was nots like, he didn't know. He said it

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was just a bear or something. I said, I didn't

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know what it was. So that was a I was

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never thought about like sasquatch or anything along those lines.

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Like I was just a and I was a kid,

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you know, I knew about something, but I was twenty

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five years old. Never crossed my mind once, so kind

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of didn't, you know, think too much about it after that.

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I just thought it was something weird. Told me one

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a couple of my buddies I hunt, you know, we

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hunt together with once in a while about it. Thought

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it was weird, and they thought it was pretty weird too,

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you know, didn't know what it was. Wasn't it turn

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into that big of a deal. So then fast forward,

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I know quite a few years, maybe nine ten years.

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I'm watching TV and the show Monster Quest comes on,

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of all things. So I sat down and I was

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watching that. They had a thing on there and they

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had I watched it, and there was they were talking

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abouts of stuff, and they had some noises on there,

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like the Ohio Hall and some other stuff. And then

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they played a clip of like I don't know if

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it's in the intro or it was in the episode

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or what of these noises that kind of caught my sore,

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just out of nowhere. I never done it before. I

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decided to go on the computer and I just literally

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searched like Sasqua, big foot, you know, or whatever noises

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and stuff like that, and the Sierra sounds came up

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from Ron uh Ron Morehead and uh, I clicked on those,

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and when I heard a couple of those sounds, I

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was like, WHOA, that's really similar to what I was

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hearing a couple of things. They're not all of them,

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but just a couple of them were similar. And then

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I started researching some of the sounds and was like, WHOA,

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but what uh I thought? I was like, man, I'm like,

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that's that's what I heard. Like, that's if you amplified

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it loud as can be, because I know it probably

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doesn't record the same way you know, when it's when

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you're live. It never you know, it never sounds the

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same when you record it. If you heard that in

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real life and it was loud as I heard it, like,

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that would be really similar, kind of like you know,

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drew my interest. So I went in a deep dive

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on it and started looking at all the reports from

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the DSR website and stuff like that, and there was

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things around the area and I was like, man, I

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don't know, but I started watching. Then I started searching

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all kinds of stuff, everything I could find, you know,

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researching just anything that was gonna say squatch stuff like that.

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I would look at it because I was like, man,

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I was like, I don't know, I don't think, well,

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maybe it was. And then I stumbled into an episode.

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I don't know what it was. It was a documentary

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or something with doctor Jeffrey Meldrum and he had a

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thing about they had a graphic of the locomotion of

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the foot with the mid tarsal break, and I was

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watching it, just sitting there watching it, and like you know,

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I was eating something watching it, and they showed how

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like the human foot steps off and leaves the pressure ridge.

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And then they showed how the foot lifts off and

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I suppose that mid tarsal break and a sasquatch and

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leaves that further back, further back pressure ridge. When I

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looked at it, and then somewhere that he said when

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they run, they leave a half track, and I went,

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holy smokes, like right there, it was like I got

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struck by lightning on the couch. I almost choked. And

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when I was eating and I went I saw a

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track line of something walking with a mid tarsal brake

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that started running, and that was the half track. Because

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when I saw the half tracks, all I could think

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was like, this bear's on two legs, running like he's

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not leaving it.

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There's not another set of pap prints by it. So

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it was literally he was walking or me she, whatever

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it was was walking on its feet, flat footed, at

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a slow pace. And when it amplified the.

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Gate and lengthened the gate, it started. That's where it

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ran for one hundred yards seventy five yards. It spread

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it through and that's where it left the half track.

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It was running on the foot front floor pod its

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foot basically, well, that's like that's where After that, I

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was like, okay, I know, I'm pretty sure that's what

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I encountered. I didn't see anything. I only heard something,

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and I found that track on the ground. But the

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tracks had five toes in a straighter line. They were

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wider than my foot. They had a huge, huge eel

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on it. And then there was the half tracks after

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that where the where the stride got longer, and then

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when it stopped at the end of the trail, the

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stride was shorter for a couple of steps, and it

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was the whole foot on the ground. So after that,

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I've I've never gone back there. I've thought about it.

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I've talked to some people around here, but it's not

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a not very easy to talk about anybody with this

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stuff because a lot of people thinking give you They're like, yeah, right, okay.

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You know, it's hard to find some people like mind

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that you can discuss it with, you know, without having

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that stigma on it. And when you can do that,

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I think it makes it a little easier. I'd like

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to I see there's more people that have had an issue,

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who had an experience where I was at. I wonder

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if this would help anybody else to let their experience

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be known if it was the same area, because I

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I found several things in that area that were alluding

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to something being there.

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So okay, that was actually one of the questions I

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was going to ask you, is so you've looked into

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that area since then, and you've seen other people leaving

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reports in different areas well, just.

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A handful, but I found them. And I mean there's

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I found stuff like from uh, you know, the BNFR

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all reports, which is fairly decent for you know, getting

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information from I think, and then some other things for people.

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And then uh, there's a couple of uh Facebook pages

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where the people around there sharing it about things that

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have gone in Michigan, and I just kind of posted

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something on those just seeing if anybody would respond, how

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they would respond mostly you know, or if they're you know,

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people had had an experience like I had, just you know,

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it's a very vacation because anybody talked to about it.

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I've got one, maybe a pair of buddies that are

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actually like open minded about it, Like they're coon raccoon

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hunters by trade, you know, by you know, family was

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and stuff like that, and they hunt and like I

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would stuff up northeast too, and they've had experiences that

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they can't explain noises and stuff like that, and they're

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they're open minded to it, so they can discuss them.

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But most people they're pretty pretty closed minded to it.

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So it's it's tough. So I've found a couple of

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people on Facebook pages that have had a similar experience

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in the same area. And uh, I did find that, uh,

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if I can say his name, mister Politis, Dave Politis.

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He does the missing for one one, he has one

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about missing persons in Michigan in the National Forest and

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there's a missing hunt that was lost in the rostam

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And State gaar Ma area. They found his car with

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I think the door open and nothing taken out of it.

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And that's less than one hundred yards from where I camp,

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and I think it was in like the same timeframe.

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Oh wow, Yeah, it was pretty wild. I just like

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I want. I watched David Politis and stuff, and I

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really enjoy it. He has a pretty you know interesting

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uh my documentary's on YouTube there that he does and

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you know, posting up the different ideas. And that one

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had caught my attention because it was from Michigan, and

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I know about the Promena National Force and all that

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and how many people go missing stuff, And that one

458
00:24:39.079 --> 00:24:40.759
struck me because as I was reading it and he

459
00:24:40.839 --> 00:24:42.920
was explaining it it, I'm pretty sure that I know

460
00:24:43.039 --> 00:24:45.359
exactly where that car was parked and it was probably

461
00:24:46.759 --> 00:24:49.200
less than one hundred yards from where I camp. He

462
00:24:49.279 --> 00:24:51.519
went missing if it was the same year I was there.

463
00:24:51.599 --> 00:24:59.039
He went missing a month later. M wow. So I

464
00:24:59.039 --> 00:25:00.519
found that to be pretty s strange.

465
00:25:00.720 --> 00:25:03.559
Yeah, that kind of stuff really makes makes you wonder.

466
00:25:03.640 --> 00:25:07.880
And I was also looking through the BFRO website in

467
00:25:07.920 --> 00:25:11.640
the same county, and I mean I'm seeing at least

468
00:25:11.880 --> 00:25:17.680
one class a group of teenagers had a visual near

469
00:25:17.759 --> 00:25:21.319
Houghton Lake. This is back in nineteen eighty four, which

470
00:25:21.359 --> 00:25:22.960
I thought was very interesting as well.

471
00:25:24.559 --> 00:25:26.920
Yeah, that whole if you go there from Holton Lake

472
00:25:26.960 --> 00:25:32.200
and you go eastward and north through like Roscommon County,

473
00:25:32.559 --> 00:25:37.000
Ogoma County, Oscota County all in there, and through that

474
00:25:37.039 --> 00:25:42.480
through that par National Force, there's there's something to do

475
00:25:42.559 --> 00:25:45.559
with that part of the National Force in the swamp land.

476
00:25:45.599 --> 00:25:48.000
Everything goes through there. That seems to be pretty busy.

477
00:25:49.000 --> 00:25:51.119
Eight s in Logoma County alone.

478
00:25:51.160 --> 00:25:56.720
Oh yeah, Yeah. The people that you were, I think

479
00:25:56.759 --> 00:25:59.039
you said you were talking to them, and these these

480
00:25:59.039 --> 00:26:02.759
Facebook groups, did they also hear similar things to what

481
00:26:02.839 --> 00:26:03.759
you heard out there?

482
00:26:05.119 --> 00:26:08.160
I yes, they said they had. One guy was a

483
00:26:08.160 --> 00:26:10.559
ball hunter, said that he lives not too far from

484
00:26:10.559 --> 00:26:13.240
there and his hand he hunted there for like mind,

485
00:26:13.839 --> 00:26:19.000
my family had duck hunted there for shoot twenty years,

486
00:26:19.039 --> 00:26:22.319
you know, and I go the second week in October

487
00:26:22.400 --> 00:26:24.279
up there for a weekend and dot hunting. Then, you know,

488
00:26:24.400 --> 00:26:27.200
it was kind of an annual thing. Then we stopped

489
00:26:27.200 --> 00:26:29.000
doing that a few years ago when the drought came

490
00:26:29.000 --> 00:26:30.799
in and it kind of lowered the swamp levels with

491
00:26:30.839 --> 00:26:33.880
the water and the ducks, did he cease to migrate there.

492
00:26:33.960 --> 00:26:36.000
So it kind of a one So I would just

493
00:26:36.000 --> 00:26:38.039
go there bird hunting because it would start in September

494
00:26:38.119 --> 00:26:40.119
and the weather would be real nice, and it was

495
00:26:40.119 --> 00:26:42.680
a good go camp and go walk around. And it

496
00:26:42.799 --> 00:26:44.480
was a spot where you know, there was no roads

497
00:26:44.519 --> 00:26:46.880
to really access it, so you never ran into anybody.

498
00:26:46.880 --> 00:26:49.720
It was real quiet. It's a It's one of those

499
00:26:49.720 --> 00:26:51.640
places when you get into it, like you can get

500
00:26:51.640 --> 00:26:53.799
turned around real easy and lost and a lot of

501
00:26:53.839 --> 00:26:56.039
It's kind of my one buddy that came with me

502
00:26:56.079 --> 00:26:57.400
the one year he said, he goes, I won't go

503
00:26:57.400 --> 00:27:00.839
back because that place is too creepy for me. It's big.

504
00:27:00.880 --> 00:27:02.799
If there's some big old trees in there and some

505
00:27:02.839 --> 00:27:05.240
swamps and he can get terribund I gets some of

506
00:27:05.599 --> 00:27:07.279
I get what he means by it, but it's not

507
00:27:07.480 --> 00:27:11.680
a I've been going. I've been there a bit quite

508
00:27:11.720 --> 00:27:13.759
a bit. Sound was comfortable. That was his first trip.

509
00:27:13.839 --> 00:27:16.240
He didn't like slogging through the brush. A couple of

510
00:27:16.240 --> 00:27:18.440
people I've talked on Facebook that have spent time there

511
00:27:18.480 --> 00:27:20.160
and the one, the one gentleman said that he had

512
00:27:20.200 --> 00:27:22.920
had enough experiences there they don't go back. Oh wow,

513
00:27:24.039 --> 00:27:27.920
that's what I believe, he said. I had a pretty

514
00:27:27.960 --> 00:27:30.160
long chat with him on Facebook there back and forth

515
00:27:30.200 --> 00:27:31.759
about it, and he said he would be willing to

516
00:27:31.799 --> 00:27:34.680
go back there. People wanted to go, but he said

517
00:27:34.680 --> 00:27:37.160
he hasn't been back there hunting in years because it

518
00:27:37.200 --> 00:27:42.319
was I don't think they saw anything, but they said

519
00:27:42.359 --> 00:27:45.279
there was activity that made him nervous.

520
00:27:45.640 --> 00:27:48.200
Yeah, okay, got you. Just if people were wanting to

521
00:27:48.279 --> 00:27:49.920
check it out, he would go back, but he's not

522
00:27:49.960 --> 00:27:51.640
going to go hunting back there a type deal.

523
00:27:52.200 --> 00:27:54.319
Yeah, I don't think he would go by himself. Yeah,

524
00:27:54.440 --> 00:27:58.519
I'd be willing to maybe go back by myself, but

525
00:27:58.799 --> 00:28:00.640
I don't. I think it'd be better two.

526
00:28:00.440 --> 00:28:05.720
People, especially in an area where I mean, you've you've

527
00:28:05.960 --> 00:28:09.680
got a documented a missing person situation like you had

528
00:28:09.680 --> 00:28:11.200
mentioned exactly.

529
00:28:10.720 --> 00:28:12.759
What I was thinking before. I probably would have been

530
00:28:12.839 --> 00:28:15.359
up to like three years. I've been like I did

531
00:28:15.519 --> 00:28:17.240
go back and just go hang out, and I'm like, well,

532
00:28:17.240 --> 00:28:19.880
what's you know, it was twenty five years ago. I

533
00:28:19.920 --> 00:28:22.519
don't even know if they may have you know, forested

534
00:28:22.559 --> 00:28:26.480
part of it. Harvest ed some of the trees off it.

535
00:28:26.559 --> 00:28:28.839
You know, when I was there, they hadn't they had

536
00:28:29.119 --> 00:28:31.240
harvested trees on it, but it was all new growth.

537
00:28:32.640 --> 00:28:34.319
They hadn't done anything there. So I don't know, Like

538
00:28:34.319 --> 00:28:36.160
I said, I haven't been back there to scout it

539
00:28:36.200 --> 00:28:37.640
to you and see if they're like, oh, wow, they

540
00:28:37.640 --> 00:28:39.440
stripped a lot of the forest off it, and it's

541
00:28:39.480 --> 00:28:43.119
growing back, you know, new growth. You know, a lot

542
00:28:43.160 --> 00:28:47.240
of it was it was you know, pretty wooded. There

543
00:28:47.359 --> 00:28:51.000
wasn't there wasn't much of it that had been cut.

544
00:28:52.799 --> 00:28:56.039
So I don't know if this is something you'd ever

545
00:28:56.079 --> 00:29:00.880
thought of before. But when you went back to look

546
00:29:00.920 --> 00:29:05.200
at the area again and you saw the tracks, have

547
00:29:05.319 --> 00:29:07.559
you ever thought about what you would have done if

548
00:29:07.599 --> 00:29:12.000
you actually had had like a face to face or

549
00:29:12.119 --> 00:29:13.880
visual sighting during that time.

550
00:29:14.400 --> 00:29:17.640
And I think about it probably every day.

551
00:29:17.839 --> 00:29:21.359
Yeah, like you said, I don't know.

552
00:29:21.400 --> 00:29:24.160
I suppose you know, it's like you run into a bear.

553
00:29:24.279 --> 00:29:27.880
You don't do anything, you know, standard ground face something,

554
00:29:27.960 --> 00:29:32.279
you back away. It's a black Beerry act. Big. I

555
00:29:32.319 --> 00:29:36.480
think I've I don't know if Yeah, I don't. I

556
00:29:36.480 --> 00:29:38.039
guess it depends what kind of mood would be in.

557
00:29:38.079 --> 00:29:39.400
You know, if a grizzly is trying to eat you,

558
00:29:39.440 --> 00:29:42.799
what do you gotta do? You play dead? Black bear

559
00:29:42.920 --> 00:29:44.960
is gonna eat you, gotta fight back. I don't, I

560
00:29:44.960 --> 00:29:46.680
honestly don't know what you would do. Like that's a

561
00:29:46.680 --> 00:29:49.960
whole different deal. Like if it just showed up and

562
00:29:50.119 --> 00:29:51.799
was there, like, man, I'd be nothing more than like

563
00:29:52.160 --> 00:29:54.000
I don't think you'd be. I don't think you can

564
00:29:54.039 --> 00:29:56.799
get a picture of it. I don't think you can

565
00:29:56.839 --> 00:29:59.279
record it. It has to like it has to be.

566
00:30:00.880 --> 00:30:02.559
I don't think you could get If I had a

567
00:30:02.599 --> 00:30:05.000
camera with me, I would have took pictures of the track.

568
00:30:05.039 --> 00:30:06.680
I didn't. It was before I don't even think we

569
00:30:06.720 --> 00:30:08.440
had flip phones yet. That was like we had the

570
00:30:08.440 --> 00:30:11.480
push button push to talk, next cell phones, the yellow

571
00:30:11.519 --> 00:30:13.440
brick you could stick under your car tire keep it

572
00:30:13.480 --> 00:30:17.039
from rolling away, right, you know, So there was Yeah,

573
00:30:17.079 --> 00:30:18.720
there was no like that. And I get anno anything.

574
00:30:18.759 --> 00:30:20.640
And the same thing I said. I was in the

575
00:30:20.759 --> 00:30:22.480
you know Bigfoot when I was a little kid, you know,

576
00:30:22.720 --> 00:30:26.160
six seven, eight years old of us remember reading the

577
00:30:26.200 --> 00:30:28.440
books out of the library and Bigfoot and NeSSI and

578
00:30:28.480 --> 00:30:31.000
like I never read anything like now it's like, I'm like,

579
00:30:31.400 --> 00:30:33.960
I'm like a sponge with it. I go to I'm

580
00:30:33.960 --> 00:30:36.680
on Amazon. I have John Green's books, you know the

581
00:30:36.759 --> 00:30:42.799
Ages among us. I've read Roger Ivan san Anderson's books, book,

582
00:30:44.359 --> 00:30:49.079
John Bender, Naggles anything Jeffrey nlgrum does. I follow up

583
00:30:49.119 --> 00:30:51.039
on now And it's like, my wife thinks I'm nuts,

584
00:30:51.039 --> 00:30:52.680
Like my wife doesn't. I've never said a word to

585
00:30:52.720 --> 00:30:55.119
this about my wife. What's actually happened? You know what

586
00:30:55.240 --> 00:30:58.519
I had happened to her? I experienced, you know, it

587
00:30:58.640 --> 00:31:00.519
makes you know she just thinks I'm like a big foot,

588
00:31:00.599 --> 00:31:02.480
not like I just like to watch Monster questions. She's

589
00:31:02.519 --> 00:31:07.160
not a skeptic, She's like, she's not I think yourself

590
00:31:07.200 --> 00:31:08.839
proclaimed things. She's like, I don't know why I know

591
00:31:08.920 --> 00:31:11.359
so much about Giganna Panthecus. It's probably because you watch

592
00:31:11.440 --> 00:31:13.319
so much TV with Bigfoot.

593
00:31:12.880 --> 00:31:15.359
In it that that probably has something to do with it.

594
00:31:15.720 --> 00:31:20.079
Have you ever considered to share that story with her?

595
00:31:21.079 --> 00:31:24.119
Yeah, she's not. It's not I don't know how receptive

596
00:31:24.160 --> 00:31:26.599
she is to it. Like, it's kind of like, my

597
00:31:26.680 --> 00:31:30.039
wife's got a pretty sharp wit. She'd probably chew me up.

598
00:31:32.079 --> 00:31:33.920
You know, some things are better left un said, I

599
00:31:33.920 --> 00:31:35.640
don't know, I would share it with her. I'm not

600
00:31:35.720 --> 00:31:37.759
scared too, but it's like I've never brought up. It's

601
00:31:37.799 --> 00:31:40.640
kind of those things like I told said something. I

602
00:31:40.680 --> 00:31:41.839
got a couple, Like I said, I have a couple

603
00:31:41.920 --> 00:31:44.559
buddies that are, you know, receptive to the whole thing,

604
00:31:44.680 --> 00:31:46.640
like they have had experience and stuff that they don't know,

605
00:31:46.759 --> 00:31:51.799
and you know, they they question it best. And it's

606
00:31:51.839 --> 00:31:54.079
the other people I've told her, like, man, you're you're

607
00:31:54.160 --> 00:31:59.160
loony to what are you get out of here? Like, yeah, sure,

608
00:31:59.279 --> 00:32:02.480
you know the easter bunny sits on my torch kind

609
00:32:02.480 --> 00:32:03.079
of thing, you know.

610
00:32:03.720 --> 00:32:04.960
Yeah, I get that stuff.

611
00:32:05.079 --> 00:32:07.640
The persuasion that there's one big foot. You saw the

612
00:32:07.720 --> 00:32:10.480
only big foot that wanders around it's one monster. I'm like,

613
00:32:10.720 --> 00:32:14.400
I'm kind of lean into the thing like Meldrum and

614
00:32:14.440 --> 00:32:16.759
them guys are John vnder Naugle talks about like it's

615
00:32:16.759 --> 00:32:18.880
an extant species. Right.

616
00:32:19.119 --> 00:32:21.160
Yeah, No, I'm right there with you. I mean I

617
00:32:21.160 --> 00:32:24.279
get I get some weird looks when people ask me

618
00:32:24.440 --> 00:32:27.240
what I do so, but you know, I don't care.

619
00:32:28.960 --> 00:32:30.759
If I'm getting to that point though, I'm getting old

620
00:32:30.839 --> 00:32:32.319
enough in my life that I've got to the point

621
00:32:32.359 --> 00:32:34.279
like I don't I give you a stinky if you don't,

622
00:32:34.599 --> 00:32:36.680
you don't think that I'm telling you. You know, I

623
00:32:36.759 --> 00:32:38.720
believe I didn't say I saw, and I just said

624
00:32:38.720 --> 00:32:41.279
I found some footprints and something was making racket that

625
00:32:41.519 --> 00:32:47.440
I can't explain. I take that position like less Stroud does.

626
00:32:47.640 --> 00:32:50.279
Right, Yeah, absolutely, you know, like.

627
00:32:50.319 --> 00:32:52.920
Jeff Meldrum, I'm not a believer, but I'm convinced there's

628
00:32:52.920 --> 00:32:54.359
something to it. Mm hmmmm.

629
00:32:55.960 --> 00:32:59.599
Have you ever considered or has it ever crossed your

630
00:32:59.599 --> 00:33:04.200
mind to go out on a like type of expedition

631
00:33:04.319 --> 00:33:07.079
type thing with other people to see if you can

632
00:33:07.119 --> 00:33:11.799
find evidence or is that align that you're comfortable not crossing.

633
00:33:12.559 --> 00:33:14.920
Being a hunter like I am and stuff Like I'm

634
00:33:14.960 --> 00:33:16.759
not much of a hunter anymore. When I was younger,

635
00:33:16.799 --> 00:33:19.160
I was pretty gung ho, you know. I Like, I

636
00:33:19.319 --> 00:33:22.559
wasn't much for killing animals duringthing there, but I liked

637
00:33:22.599 --> 00:33:24.640
that the whole aspect of the thing, like, you know

638
00:33:25.480 --> 00:33:28.759
the challenge of being out and you know, getting out,

639
00:33:28.880 --> 00:33:31.119
getting back, you know, being out there, Like if I

640
00:33:31.160 --> 00:33:33.519
harvested an animal that was just icing on the cake,

641
00:33:33.599 --> 00:33:36.240
I didn't care if I you know, you know, it

642
00:33:36.400 --> 00:33:38.400
managed to harvest anything. But I was there for the

643
00:33:38.440 --> 00:33:41.039
experienced kind of stuff, you know. But on the way

644
00:33:41.079 --> 00:33:44.519
I've learned how to like learn how to operate around

645
00:33:44.599 --> 00:33:47.960
animals here, you know, so they don't you know, they

646
00:33:47.960 --> 00:33:50.519
don't find it. You have to be a predator and

647
00:33:51.200 --> 00:33:53.359
like I don't, I don't know, like do you take

648
00:33:53.519 --> 00:33:55.960
you know, if it's like ben and on them say

649
00:33:56.000 --> 00:33:59.400
it's a it's a higher primeat or a hominid and

650
00:33:59.559 --> 00:34:01.759
it's got intelligence, it's you know, it's not on par

651
00:34:01.880 --> 00:34:03.839
with the human being, but it's not a chimpanzee where

652
00:34:03.880 --> 00:34:05.880
it's got the ability to cognitive ability to be like

653
00:34:05.920 --> 00:34:07.920
I have to hide or you know, bad things will

654
00:34:07.920 --> 00:34:10.480
happen to me. It's not like you're hunting a deer

655
00:34:10.559 --> 00:34:12.559
or doing anything like that. So just going out in

656
00:34:12.559 --> 00:34:14.719
the group or just acting benign and making some racket

657
00:34:14.760 --> 00:34:16.440
and banging on trees. I mean, did they come in

658
00:34:16.480 --> 00:34:18.000
and check you out to be like all these people

659
00:34:18.079 --> 00:34:20.880
aren't doing anything, you know, let's go see what they're

660
00:34:20.960 --> 00:34:23.159
up to. Does that work? Or you know, I'm the

661
00:34:23.239 --> 00:34:27.440
aspect where it's like you got to be two people

662
00:34:27.480 --> 00:34:29.360
and just go do your own thing and let them

663
00:34:29.360 --> 00:34:33.000
find you. Maybe I don't know, like, and I think

664
00:34:33.000 --> 00:34:35.440
an expedition would be interesting. I've never been on one,

665
00:34:35.840 --> 00:34:38.719
you know, I'd like to see how it works. I

666
00:34:38.760 --> 00:34:42.000
know some people have seemed to say that it works

667
00:34:42.039 --> 00:34:45.519
for them, you know, and stuff like that, but I would.

668
00:34:45.639 --> 00:34:50.840
I'm open minded just about anything. I think if you're not,

669
00:34:50.880 --> 00:34:53.519
you're doing yourself a disservice exactly.

670
00:34:53.599 --> 00:34:57.440
You know, you have to. Yeah, if you're at the

671
00:34:57.559 --> 00:35:00.559
if you're at the point where you hear people's stuff

672
00:35:00.559 --> 00:35:03.119
and you just discounting it because it doesn't line up

673
00:35:03.159 --> 00:35:07.960
with what you hold, yeah, you're you're putting yourself in

674
00:35:07.960 --> 00:35:08.760
a bad situation.

675
00:35:10.360 --> 00:35:10.440
This.

676
00:35:11.360 --> 00:35:14.519
Yeah, you got to be aware of what's being reported,

677
00:35:14.559 --> 00:35:17.920
even if it doesn't line up with your stuff. But yeah, Nate,

678
00:35:18.039 --> 00:35:22.119
I mean, I thank you so much for coming forward

679
00:35:22.559 --> 00:35:27.159
sharing what you experienced that day and that night in

680
00:35:27.199 --> 00:35:32.280
the rest of Ross Common, Michigan area. It's just, you know,

681
00:35:32.360 --> 00:35:36.719
I almost like some people consider them I think class

682
00:35:36.760 --> 00:35:40.840
be encounters. But you know, sometimes those are even more

683
00:35:40.880 --> 00:35:44.559
interesting or as interesting I think than you know, if

684
00:35:44.599 --> 00:35:47.639
you've had a visual But I just want to say

685
00:35:47.639 --> 00:35:49.800
thank you for coming on the show. It's been a

686
00:35:49.840 --> 00:35:52.760
pleasure talking to you today. I just wanted to make

687
00:35:52.800 --> 00:35:55.519
sure there was there wasn't anything else that you wanted

688
00:35:55.559 --> 00:35:58.960
to to share before we end out our time.

689
00:36:01.559 --> 00:36:04.199
No, I'm good. I appreciate you having give me in

690
00:36:04.239 --> 00:36:06.400
a forum here. I can you know, talk about this,

691
00:36:06.559 --> 00:36:10.400
you know, without having a feeling like I'm being going

692
00:36:10.480 --> 00:36:12.719
to be ostracized by the end of it. You know,

693
00:36:13.039 --> 00:36:14.800
you always have that. You know, you're kind of afraid

694
00:36:14.800 --> 00:36:17.519
to tell the whole thing because somebody's gonna be dealing like,

695
00:36:17.519 --> 00:36:19.360
oh yeah whatever, you do a huge eye roll. But

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it's just nice to you know, with like minded people

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that are have an interest in, like, you know, whether

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or not this is real kind of stuff for nothing,

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it's a good thing.

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I like it absolutely. That's why we do it. That's

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why I do it so that people have a place

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to share and not have to be scared. And yeah,

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feel free to pass on my info to anyone you've

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been talking to and wants an area to share as well.

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You feel free to share my email or whatever you'd like.

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But thanks again Nate for coming on the show, and

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appreciate you chatting today.

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Yeah, no problem, thank you for having me. I really

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enjoyed it.

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I just wanted to take a minute to say thank

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you truly for listening to this episode of the Big

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For Society podcast. Nate's story is one of those encounters

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that stays with you, not just because of what he

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heard in the dark, but because of how deeply it

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shook a lifelong hunter to his core. So huge thanks

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to Nate for bravely sharing his experience from Rosscommon County

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and reminding us all that sometimes the wilderness is wilder

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than we can imagine. If you enjoy this conversation, please

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someone you know has had a big Foot encounter, especially

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in Michigan around places like Counton Lake or Rosscommon County,

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So thanks again for being part of the Big for Society.

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Until next time, trust your gut, keep your head on

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a swivel, and keep your eyes open for what might

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be calling. And see you in the woods.