Oct. 18, 2025

Australia has 3 Bigfoot Types? | Neil Frost

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Season 1

What happens when an Australian teacher builds a house in the wilderness — and finds out they weren’t alone? In this unforgettable episode, we travel to the Blue Mountains of New South Wales to meet Neil Frost, author of Fatfoot: Encounters with a Dooligahl. Neil's 50 years of research into Australia's three marsupial enigmas — the Quinkan, the Junjudee, and the Dooligahl — has led to chilling encounters, from guttural growls in scout camps to trees violently shaken in the moonlight. With engineering ingenuity, indigenous knowledge, and relentless curiosity, Neil and his neighbors formed a group called The Octopus to track the creatures roaming their bushland. You’ll hear about stolen baby clothes, eerie vocalizations, and the moment Neil realized something had been watching his children. From terrifying night thumps to an emotional goodbye with a familiar forest giant, this story reveals what happens when a family lives side-by-side with the unknown.

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You're listening to BIGFA Society, and I'm Jeremiah Byron. In

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this show, we go beyond the campfire stories to bring

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you first hand encounters from people who say they've seen

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something impossible. From backwoods trails and remote mountain haulers to

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quiet farms and crowded highways. The stories come from everywhere,

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and each one leaves us with more questions than answers.

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These are the voices of the people who've lived it.

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So settle in because today you'll hear another account that

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just might change the way you see the woods forever.

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So stay with us, all.

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Right, Big the Society that the privilege of talking to

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mister Neil Frost today. Neil Frost is an Australian educator,

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explorer and writer whose background in science, anthropology and engineering

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has taken him from the Blue Mountains of Australia to

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the highlands of Papua New Guinea. His lifelong curiosity about nature,

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culture in the unknown shapes his works and stories. Neil

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has written this book called Fat Foot Encounters with a

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du La Gal and it's an autobiographical journey of fifty

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plus years investigating Australia's three Marsupial enigmas, and I want

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to hold this again so you can see that is

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what is about seven hundred pages? Neil, It's intense. It's intense.

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A lot of good stuff in this book. But welcome

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to the show.

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Neil.

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How are you doing today?

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Well?

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Thanks, yeah, absolutely, and thank you for being on the

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show right now. Over there in Australia, it's almost nine

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thirty in the morning. Over here in Iowa, it's about

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almost five thirty at night because we got to get

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that sixteen hour time difference to work. But I'm excited

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to talk to you today. So many things I didn't

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know about Australia. I thought Australia was just about the Yowie,

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but there's much much more going on with it. But Neil,

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is there anything else that you would want the audience

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to know about yourself?

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I as a teacher. I went to the university and

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did anthropology. I wanted to become an archaeologist originally, but

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the university I went to didn't have archaeologist. I had

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stuck with anthropology instead. I studied anthropology and then during

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during term I would get a hold of old cars

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and do them up and sell them to get money

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and use that money to go overseas to New Guinea

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to study the tribes in partner New Guinea throughout Micronesia

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Melanesia because I was in a stum and following my studies.

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After I had done that, I then went and got

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a job. I got a job as a teacher because

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I was bonded. I had a scholarship, so I was

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committed to having to work for the part of the education.

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And let's set me out west and that's where I

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had an encounter many We built our own house. After

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I finished there, I came back to Sydney and the

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Blue Mountains. We bought a vacant block of land in

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the middle of nowhere and build our own two story

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wooden house. After we'd done that, we noticed all these

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weird things were going on with the bush around us.

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And it wasn't until about ten years later that we

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actually realized what it was. And of course it was

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the fact that we had the hearing man walking around

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down properly. That caused a lot of trauma for a family.

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For my wife and I argue didn't know what we're

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dealing with, and that motivated me basically to do something

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about it. So I formed a group called the Octopus.

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The Octopus was a group that of local inhabitants who

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investigated the activities of these things in the bush and

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the object was simply to not need just report on

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them and get information about them, but also to help

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people who had encounters because, like us, many people have

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had these encounters are traumatized. They had a lot of trauma.

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They don't know who to turn to. People realizing very

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quickly that as soon as you mentioned the topic, you

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in trouble people as treated as a taboo topic and

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people start to ridicule you. So people who come, we say,

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become very self aware of this problem, and that they

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tend to self census, probably in the middle way of

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saying so I don't say anything. They go into becoming

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very introverted as a result of that. So that was

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our main issues, not even just to study these things

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and find out about it from an anthropological point of

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view and also from zoological point of view, but also

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to help out the people who had encounters because they

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were basically suffered.

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So that's genuinely, that's fantastic.

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There's so many similarities to what we have to deal

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with in the US, and really North America when it

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comes down to it about people having to deal with

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trauma after having encounters with Bigfoot. And although these things

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we'll be talking about might be a little different, they

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might have some similarities as well, and we'll probably talk

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about that later, but I would think it so your

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first encounter that you had was way back in nineteen

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sixty six and the Blue Mountains, Is that correct?

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It was? I was originally I was a Scout carb actually,

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then I moved up into the Scouts and the age

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of about eleven, I think it was when that occurred

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in nineteen sixty six, and when I went into the Scouts,

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it happened that we had a seven day camp in

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the Blue Mountains, seven days, seven six nights, and they've

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been preparing for this for quite a long time. My

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Scout leader, one Scout master, was the next World War

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two prisoner walk, a very talented man, a very knowledgeable man.

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You knew a lot about an Australian environment and what

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he didn't know, he went out of his way to

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find it so he would learn it from the Aborigines.

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So we had this camp was coming up, and other

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people prepared for the camp as well, So they had

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the senior people are rovers in the group who used

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to gave them on weekends, and they built a dam.

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Would you believe it was a curved and walled down.

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They were basically engineers. Some of the metallurgics sore very

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knowledgeable blokes and they built a curved vam and how

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to pressurize. All this is look for the area. I

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was an incredible bit of engineering for a remote area.

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So they built all these facilities in this incredibly remote area.

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And it was a great valley, was what it was.

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And it's basically a gorge of six hundred meters deep.

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To get into it, it's a bit of an effort.

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You've got to walk down these goat tracks and traverse

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these very difficult sections, very dangerous sections. It wouldn't be

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allowed today, wouldn't be allowed to do what we did

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because the risk of getting injured or killed was very high.

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But anyway, we went to this area, we set up

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and it was the second or third night things started

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to happen. We started to hear the second night we

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started to hear how on the cliff above us, and

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of course to people in the tent I was in

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the older bloat started stirring. It's not trying to get

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us terrified. I was only eleven. They were sixteen to

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eighteen year olds, so they were working me up a

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little bit, and it was howling, and I can't describe

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it really much better than that. It was an unusual sound,

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very gutural, very loud, and coming six hundred meters above us.

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The next the very next night, after we'd experienced that,

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the thing was down in the valley with us, and

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we had the campsite had a main campsite where nearly

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everybody was camped set for my patrol leader. He decided

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he wanted to have privacy and put us one hundred

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meters further out in the bush by ourselves. As a

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result of this thing came down into the campsite. It

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terrorized the main campsite for a considerable period of time.

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We could hear it, and then he discovered us and

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came over to our campsite, our tent. When it got

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to our tent, it started shaking things, so I would

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shake trees around it, shake the tent, make various noises,

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and it's probably early the early hours of the morning. Eventually,

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I so fatigued. After basically two nights have not been

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able to sleep like everyone else. I went to sleep

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and then I suddenly woke up, startled away by the

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sound of something growling in my ear. And what had

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happened was I had lain I was on the end

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of the tent and something came up and growled into

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my left ear, and of course I reacted to that.

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I flew through the air and I landed further down

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the line on two other scouts. No one said anything,

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no one complained. It wasn't out of anyone. And this

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lasted until dawn. No one said a word until we

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got in the morning when anyone ran around to try

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and fire out with what it could have been. So

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that was the first encounter, very unusual, incredibly scary. As

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my neighbor next door so many years later, it was

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basically a testicle tidying experience. It was so frightening. It

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really was at on really high levels of gods. Is

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that notistic here?

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My goodness? That is Wow, What a way to start

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things off. Do you think that was then an actual

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doulagal that was messing with you guys?

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At that time, it was either.

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A doulagal or quackin vicians are very nasty, they're very aggressive,

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and this thing was obviously very aggressive. That sort of

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leans towards a quakin. We didn't go outside and have

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a lyunics were too scared to do that obviously, I

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didn't know what we're dealing with anyway. And the other

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possibility is a dual Doulagals can be this Males can

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be aggressive, so it's either do male, a large male,

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or a quackin anyone a number of male them really,

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but I think possibly lean towards for that one.

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Gotcha, do you think we could take a few minutes

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maybe talking about what each of the three are the

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duel gal, the quinkin and the jungitity.

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Well, sure we have. It's quite pam. We've got three

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different species here, three main species, so the awi is

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really not one generic species. It's a broad range. So

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we've got three tops and they're very distinct. So we

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have at the top end of the scale we have

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the quakin. The quakin is an Aviaginal name again from

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far north Queensland, from the rainforest up there. Now, the

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rainforests up there are extremely dense and imagined it's very

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hard to get through them, so you can hide anything

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up there, including World War two aircraft that crash there,

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and they can't never found again. They won't We have fun.

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So you have these quakin and they're about so it

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can be up to about eight nine foot tall. They're

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rather slender. They only have three digits, so you have

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three things, and they have three toes, and their foot

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is rather long and extended, so it's like a kangaroo foot.

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So you have these quink and large orders. They tend

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to be very aggressive. The aberages were terrified on them

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because of the fact they used to eat aberaging, so

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particularly their favorite food calling to them were children. They

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used to like taking children. The second type is do

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the gars, the one that we had most experiences with

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and the one that we called fat foot du The

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guars are lesser height. They're up at six to seven

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foot a night. They tend to be they can be

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rather aggressive. But see, our one was a female, and

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we knew it was a female because an average elder

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told me. I won't go to know how he knew that,

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but he said that you've got a female. And there's

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a consequence that they're a lot more care and they're

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not as aggressive males. Can be aggressive. So the female

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was lucky having a female because we didn't have as

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many problems as could have had. They're four toed, and

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we called our one fat foot for the simple reason

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that he obviously sustained an injury to its foot. And

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you've got a cast. You have shown that it's really

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hard to get right here to be able to see this,

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but casting shadows on it. But you might be over

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notice on the side here, Yeah, that's here. There's a

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bulblege on the foot on the outside. It's the foot

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actually extends down the normally and it has a bull

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d on aside here. We suspect that's an injury. Afterwards

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you run around barefoot at high speed and then whils

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eventually get it into your foot. So, yes, that's what

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it is, an injury. You can see up here there's

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a big tone. There's a compression ridge in the middle

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where the detail and the lesser tailors he off to

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the side, and there's four of them. Three of them

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have squeezed the sword on forming a ridge. And that's

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why it's a whole out there down the bottom here

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got the heel. The heel is separate to the main

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part of the body's heels. The gap fourteen rather large,

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and that's why we call it fat sort. The last

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time of the Jungues and now jung is the best

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way to describe and the absolutely is describe them politely

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as mischievous. But they're steaming little bastards, that's what they are.

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They've got a really they've got a real attitude to them.

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They will still rob Damny's sabotage to do anything that

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they possibly can because they think it's funny. Sounds like

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European off I suppose the rich stories of those sorts

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of industries things. These things are about to three to

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fourth were high. They're more monkey like. I've seen that one.

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I've seen one of these as well. They that's probably

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the difference between us. The hype and then the skin,

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the fur and ig is more like a horse's fur.

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It's a very short fur. They have a yellow annuals

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around each ere, so that makes it very distinctive. I

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say about that's basically for a Junges. So they are

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three basic tops small, medium and large, aggressive, mischievous on

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the more scale.

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Gotcha, And just to make sure I get this, and

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these are all included under the umbrella, of Yawi thean

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is that right?

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Yeah, because of the stories, isn't it. Yeah, you have

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to try and differentiate them from the stories, but yeah,

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they include one of the one number one.

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Okay, gotcha.

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So when let's say over here in America, if we

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hear Yawi stories from Australia, they could actually be about

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one of these three creatures.

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Okayty, you have to listen carefully the historic figure out

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which when they're talking about the main thing, of course,

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is they're all fast, so that makes it hard to differentiate.

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They all move incredibly fast, like I think, like you're bigfoot.

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Forty kongers an hour is what we've clothed them at

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a high speed, so forty ks is pretty fast. They go.

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They run through bush, not around it. They just tear

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through the undergrowth. That's set to worry about it too much.

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Else about things the Oh, that's probably the main difference

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is what you hear. And then you've got stories of monkeys,

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monkey like things or key Some people confuse the jungity

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with children, so they think they're childlike because they have

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small feet. They didn't measure they have five toes, so

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they've got to do with five toes. So they can

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be confused with human children, and that's people confusing with

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generally speaking, So that's three basic tops.

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When people have visual sightings of let's say the du

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La gal are they do they say it looks more

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like a human or some kind of ape or is

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it some weird mixture.

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In case of the dueling A, most people, of course

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gave to the thing that they're most for me with

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big foot, so million invariably let's say we're still big food.

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Let's see the most common description. So the very similar

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appearance to a bigfoot if you would, cool, but clearly

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they're not the same if you get down delft in

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the fine details, there are distinct differences between them. So

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in the case of our ones, we had four toes

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on Dulagal, I think of bigfoot typically has five, although

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the reports of different toes on TheInk out some Yeah.

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So absolutely, yeah, yeah.

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Different regions of the US, for example, like Southeast Alaska,

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there's four toed ones that are reported, but for the

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most part, yeah, it would be five toes.

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Yeah, yep.

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Also is something I wanted to talk about when leaning

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the groundwork for what these three creatures are. So they're

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also looked at as marsupials.

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Right, No, I'm the only one.

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Basically he says they're marsupial. Everyone else say says that

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they're they're like bigfoot and they're placentals. Now humans are placentals,

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and from the bens of people are not too sure

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that means they have a placenta. So babies are born

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internally and a mother and they give birth to it.

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That's a placental mars The babies are all the Joey's

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when they're born. They travel from the birth canal up

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the mother's belly through the fur and attached to the

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nipple and so they grow up externally too. That's why

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they called marsupials because it comes from the lat worm,

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the marsupiu, so they have an external worming white. So

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that's it. The difference between em way in which the babies.

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Award that's fascinating. So all three of these would be

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considered placentals then, is what it sounds like.

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Now, all three of these are regarded as marsupio, bigfoot, placental.

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Are these three that we have Australia. I would argue

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the marsupiald but unfortunately most people here thinks that these

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things are also placentals like Bigfoot. So massa strands are

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the object because they look similar to Bigfoot. They are bigfoot,

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so therefore they're similar in every way. They have basically

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percent of animals, but the things that separate them from placentals.

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That makes them a bit more interesting. Probably the best

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thing to say about And it's like with us, we

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have flat pitt nails. The hominids like us, like apes

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and chimpanzees, also have flat pit nails. And that's how

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you tell we're homited with these things. No, they have

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black claws on their hands and feet. Now that by itself,

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that one particular thing, just by itself tells you they're

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not related to humans in any redoubt. So they got

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black claws, they're flat, they're not flat nailed, so they're

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something weird about them straight away.

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So also quinkin does a weird thing where it'll it'll

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make loud thumping noises.

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Correct, Yeah, there's something. The thing about thumping is that's

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the characteristic of kangaroos. Kangaroos, I think it's forty nine

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out of fifty two species for memory of kangaroo foot

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thump and footsothing is used by them ultra sound, so

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you thump your foot and any other kangaroo in the

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area will hear that noise and think there's danger in

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the area and there's a predator around, or it might

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be some other reason. They're foot functual, so kangaroos typically

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do that kick and behavior. Now, the interesting thing is

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that the bulgal also footthumps, and that was the problem

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we'vesed to have with ours, is that it will come

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around at nighttime and in order to announce its presence

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by foot thumping, So in factly it's foot thumps kangaroos.

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Foot thumps means there's a possible if them With kangaroos,

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I mean there's quite a number of them. But that's

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yet another one is the foot funt the junges. You

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don't foot plimt. They hit sticks, so they get sticks

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and they built things. They built trees or a stick,

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which I think what your bigfoot.

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Does also, yeah, absolutely, yeah, how far back to your

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historical records of these three are back in Australia.

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When Tall me historical records, you're talking about aboriginal history,

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viral histories. They're not written histories. So you're talking about

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European history, if you're talking about that sort of history.

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But in terms of the Aborigines, are they their history

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of that? The oral history of these things goes back

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a long time. One of the classic things they will

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say to you is they were here before us, that

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they're not the same as us. I've heard that a

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few times. Oral histories are pretty much discounted too much.

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Now I'm originally anthropologist. I used to do is to

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rely a lot on oral histories. But one thing which

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in studying this which really amazed me were oral histories

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of past geological events in Australia. And one particular one

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was a group of Aboriginal ladies in Tasmania, which is

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down to the bottom of Australia, which is separate from

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Australia by the Bastraits. Has got water between them. Now,

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that separated twelve thousand years ago. Yet these Aboriginal ladies

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is to talk about their mothers distant. Their ancestral mothers

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used to walk from Tasmania to Victoria across this area

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on dry land. Now that's an example of a twelve

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thousand year old memory. There's quite a number of examples

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like that, but I found that fascinating. People say that

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I haven't possibly have it an old history like this

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sick it's been preserved over that period of time. I

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think that's one example at least where that's worst been

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the case.

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Yeah, as an anthropologist, have you gotten have you had

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the opportunity to interview Aboriginals about stories regarding these from

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their oral history.

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Yeah. You know, when we originally had our first encounter

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here at our house and we were quite terrified about it,

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we started to try and find people who would be

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able to help us, and in the first twenty four

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to forty eight hours we knew and known it. So

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we mentioned that a few friends and basically they looked

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at sideways and say what's wrong or what drugs you're on?

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So we really that wasn't a line to pursue. We

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then thought about using our name. Our neighbor was a

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bike an x com. He was a very tough men

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and he was really good. We're glad we spoke to

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him because he was prepared to give us physical support

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and backup on us. But the Aborigines when we asked them,

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because we're teachers, we went to the Partner of Educations

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Foke to amage or consultants, and there were always a

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little bit shy about talking about it. And we said

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to them, I'm like to talk to you about They

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what are you talking about? Talking about the ye? I said,

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what do you mean? I said to hairy man? And

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they said, okay, what do you know about the hairy man?

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I said, they've got red eyes and they say, okay,

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what else do you now? I said, they run very fast.

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All right, we'll talk to you. So you've got to

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pass the test. You've got to should be able to

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past the tests before we get to help out on

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really that stage. So the information they had, the guy

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that we mainly relied on, the unal Merv. MERV was

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regarded as the hour expert in average or society down

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the South coast. In yourself, well, murder you everything like

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when we first had this problem, and when we spoke

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to MERV, MERV said, you've recently built a house, have you?

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We said, yes, we have. You know this and he

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said there are plenty of tracks around your land when

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you built. I said yes, there were. Okay, did you

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build your house across any of these tracks? Yes? We did.

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He said, tell me how far from the swamp, are you?

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Said about forty meters before he made this on the

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swamp and he said, after a lengthy process. And then

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I said do you have your children? And I said yes.

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He said what ages are there? And I said there

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it was two and a half and six months. I

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can't remember exactly, but they were very young kid and

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I said a male and female. And then MERV said

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to him this is very important. He said, have you

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ever lost any children's clothing? Said? What do you mean

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lost children's clothing? Said, I mean from the clothes line.

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He put clothes out at not to dry and to

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come back and they're not there. I said no, but

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I tell you what, I have found children's clothing in

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the swamp. And he said, there you go. You've got

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a female straight up. And the reason he's argument I

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have to question him afterwards why that was the case.

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He said, because with Dulaga, they'd like to teach their

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joys what humans are like and various other things like

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normal parents do. So he said, we're going females will

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go and steal things like clothing from the clothesline and

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take it to the Joe's and let them sniff it

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and basically tell them this sort of human smells like it,

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so this is pretty amazing. So that he was telling

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us all these sort of stories and MERV said to me,

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this is very worrying. You need to be careful now

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because it means you've got my dollargo old the area.

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And he says, they take children. I said, you're kidding me.

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He said, no, they will take children. And I said

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what to eat and he said, we'll put it this way.

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He said, you might lose a child during the night,

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and the chances say he probably won't see it again.

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And then was really frightened. So I said, how do

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you know, Morve, how do you know all this stuff?

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And he said to me, back in the forty years

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ago or something of thirty years ago, he said, I

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used to take Aboriginal children out into the bush to

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hide them because we had a bad practice here in

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Australia of taking children. The government had practice of taking

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children away from their parents, the same way that I

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think with America with the Indians, they used to take

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the children away and put them in foster homes and

459
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bring them up as wifes. So he said, we used

460
00:26:56.119 --> 00:26:58.039
to take our kids out in the middle of the

461
00:26:58.079 --> 00:27:01.960
bush to hide them from the govern men. And he said,

462
00:27:01.960 --> 00:27:04.559
on one occasion in particular, we were all the bloke

463
00:27:04.599 --> 00:27:06.519
because of the men who used to mainly do that.

464
00:27:07.000 --> 00:27:09.079
The men would be sitting around a campfire and the

465
00:27:09.160 --> 00:27:12.720
children be playing in the light at nighttime. And he said,

466
00:27:13.039 --> 00:27:17.240
one night we had a doula came into the campsite

467
00:27:17.880 --> 00:27:20.559
very fast, picked up a child and kept on going.

468
00:27:21.079 --> 00:27:24.079
He says, says that all the men instinctively went and

469
00:27:24.079 --> 00:27:27.519
grabbed their weapons and pursued after it. And he said,

470
00:27:27.680 --> 00:27:29.880
apart from the fact the king was screaming away, they

471
00:27:29.960 --> 00:27:32.440
followed it during the night until dawn. He said it

472
00:27:32.440 --> 00:27:36.000
was a long process. And when they got at dawn,

473
00:27:36.119 --> 00:27:38.079
they came to an area which was a big clearing,

474
00:27:38.279 --> 00:27:39.839
and he said, you could hear the door they go

475
00:27:39.920 --> 00:27:43.000
off in the distance. So all the men formed a line,

476
00:27:43.079 --> 00:27:45.799
and we formed a line across the clearing, and we

477
00:27:45.839 --> 00:27:48.680
all raised our spears and shook them, which he said,

478
00:27:48.720 --> 00:27:50.680
it tells them that we're going to go to war

479
00:27:50.720 --> 00:27:53.480
with you. That was a sign for going to war.

480
00:27:54.160 --> 00:27:56.599
So he said, what happened then was the child. It

481
00:27:56.720 --> 00:27:58.759
came out in the clearing. He put the child down

482
00:27:58.839 --> 00:28:00.559
and walked back and we got the kid back. So

483
00:28:01.279 --> 00:28:04.720
that's how I don't know. I thought that is amazing.

484
00:28:05.319 --> 00:28:09.039
But there's plenty of stories. You have stories in European

485
00:28:09.079 --> 00:28:13.799
women who wrote their autobiographies too, And the one woman

486
00:28:13.839 --> 00:28:17.559
in ageen forties wrote a story about she read and

487
00:28:17.640 --> 00:28:22.200
how bad the average women were. They weren't very good mothers,

488
00:28:22.319 --> 00:28:25.279
she said, because you'd have she said, you would go

489
00:28:25.319 --> 00:28:27.880
into a camp and it's an eighteen forties said you're

490
00:28:27.880 --> 00:28:30.759
there'll be an average on kids plan and then you'll

491
00:28:30.799 --> 00:28:33.039
come back a few weeks or a month later or

492
00:28:33.039 --> 00:28:34.920
two months or whatever it was. And one of the

493
00:28:34.960 --> 00:28:37.359
kids had been gone, So what ever happened to this kid?

494
00:28:37.880 --> 00:28:41.400
And the mothers would say a bouleaguard took it, or

495
00:28:41.440 --> 00:28:44.799
whatever the name of the local hairy man was for

496
00:28:44.920 --> 00:28:50.680
that area. And this woman in particular, Elizabeth, whatever it was,

497
00:28:50.759 --> 00:28:54.039
she said, these women were very bad mothers because they

498
00:28:54.079 --> 00:28:56.960
would lose their children and then blame it on something

499
00:28:57.079 --> 00:29:01.039
like here a magical evil spirit took their kids. It's

500
00:29:01.079 --> 00:29:03.480
actually said I think it is, because they said you

501
00:29:03.519 --> 00:29:07.519
don't look after their kids. And there's other examples of

502
00:29:07.880 --> 00:29:10.359
stories like that too, But to that one that's one

503
00:29:10.400 --> 00:29:13.440
that sticks in my mind about how badly they think

504
00:29:13.440 --> 00:29:15.039
they treat them.

505
00:29:15.359 --> 00:29:15.640
Wow.

506
00:29:15.720 --> 00:29:20.119
So it's a thing it's taken very serious in the

507
00:29:20.200 --> 00:29:21.039
cultures over there.

508
00:29:21.200 --> 00:29:24.680
It sounds like even today, even today in the Northern Territory,

509
00:29:24.680 --> 00:29:27.319
for example, you've got cases where a lot of people

510
00:29:27.319 --> 00:29:30.559
still live in traditional for a variety of reasons of

511
00:29:30.279 --> 00:29:33.640
the tradition. And he said, the usual arrangement is you

512
00:29:33.759 --> 00:29:36.279
have a campfire in the middle. If you haven't got

513
00:29:36.279 --> 00:29:38.799
a building, you have a campfire in the middle of

514
00:29:39.119 --> 00:29:41.640
the clearing. You clear a long way around the us

515
00:29:41.680 --> 00:29:45.000
to say, you have the children, young children on the

516
00:29:45.000 --> 00:29:48.519
inner circle, followed by the women on the immediate circle,

517
00:29:48.599 --> 00:29:52.640
and then the men on the outer certain outside of that,

518
00:29:52.759 --> 00:29:56.440
you have then forty four gallon drums, metal drums. And

519
00:29:56.599 --> 00:29:59.039
they had put lugs in it and burned them. They said,

520
00:29:59.039 --> 00:30:01.759
these are The common name up there for them is

521
00:30:01.799 --> 00:30:03.839
they have these large logs, and they call them all

522
00:30:03.960 --> 00:30:07.559
nighters because they burn all night. And the thing is

523
00:30:07.640 --> 00:30:11.039
the light kicks them away. And the thin interesting thing

524
00:30:11.039 --> 00:30:14.880
about light is it's like a moth. A light does

525
00:30:14.960 --> 00:30:18.920
two things with In particular, it attracts them through the

526
00:30:19.039 --> 00:30:21.200
sight because they see a light and that this is

527
00:30:21.400 --> 00:30:23.480
they're dying and find out why. Ideas, they'll come and

528
00:30:23.480 --> 00:30:27.960
have a look and they'll stare and just observe, but

529
00:30:28.119 --> 00:30:31.440
they won't go any closer because while the lights are there,

530
00:30:31.519 --> 00:30:36.039
means they're blinded because they're primarily not to a primarily

531
00:30:36.079 --> 00:30:38.799
not to I have night vision which is very badly

532
00:30:38.839 --> 00:30:41.759
wiped out. They start staring at a burning fire, so

533
00:30:42.279 --> 00:30:47.039
the lights in particular have it. I double sword. And

534
00:30:47.079 --> 00:30:48.799
that was the first bit of advice you were given

535
00:30:48.839 --> 00:30:52.160
by the Paramount of Aboriginal Land Council when we had

536
00:30:52.160 --> 00:30:55.119
a problem. Was the guy said to the average guy

537
00:30:55.200 --> 00:30:57.240
said to me, you're going to laugh at this. He said,

538
00:30:57.519 --> 00:30:59.680
we spoke to the average land council last night and

539
00:30:59.680 --> 00:31:03.400
got the advice. He said, the decisions out. Half the

540
00:31:03.400 --> 00:31:07.200
men decided that you turn all your lights off and

541
00:31:07.240 --> 00:31:13.880
the others turn all your lights on. So that was

542
00:31:14.480 --> 00:31:18.519
typical because it is a double sword. But they are

543
00:31:18.640 --> 00:31:21.599
very light sensitive because they're notturnable, and you tend to

544
00:31:21.599 --> 00:31:25.559
have a problem with it. So that's what happens with

545
00:31:25.720 --> 00:31:28.960
the camping. I always give advice to people who had

546
00:31:29.319 --> 00:31:32.000
a good ergo around the house. Is the best thing

547
00:31:32.039 --> 00:31:34.599
you can do is clear around the house and then

548
00:31:34.720 --> 00:31:37.960
put motion sensing lights on each corner of the house

549
00:31:38.319 --> 00:31:40.640
when they come on the blind to and it will

550
00:31:40.720 --> 00:31:44.160
keep them away for a short period of time. Because

551
00:31:44.200 --> 00:31:47.720
what happens, because they're very intelligent, they're not stupid, is

552
00:31:47.759 --> 00:31:50.519
that they learn, and they learn very quickly, and the

553
00:31:50.599 --> 00:31:52.880
end result of that is that they'll find some way

554
00:31:52.880 --> 00:31:56.759
of getting around the problem, and that can involve say, stalking,

555
00:31:57.119 --> 00:31:59.720
using trees as cover, or in the case of a

556
00:32:00.359 --> 00:32:04.640
up her surgeon and a trauma neural surgeon, he said

557
00:32:04.680 --> 00:32:07.960
at his place that they had learned to travel along

558
00:32:07.960 --> 00:32:10.000
the edge of the wall. So he had these lights

559
00:32:10.000 --> 00:32:12.880
on the eaves overhead, and he said they would travel

560
00:32:12.920 --> 00:32:15.599
along the eaves of his house to get to his

561
00:32:15.720 --> 00:32:17.839
door to look at him or through his window to

562
00:32:17.880 --> 00:32:20.480
see what he was doing at two o'clock in the morning,

563
00:32:20.799 --> 00:32:22.519
and yew what he was doing. He was studying through

564
00:32:22.559 --> 00:32:24.960
his latest degree. So he said to me, how these

565
00:32:25.000 --> 00:32:28.519
things coming around? But they learned to do that junge

566
00:32:29.480 --> 00:32:33.000
just to jump to a different junge. It, on the

567
00:32:33.039 --> 00:32:36.799
other hand, are more destructive. What they do is that

568
00:32:37.240 --> 00:32:40.960
if they find emotion sensing lights, they'll go out of

569
00:32:41.000 --> 00:32:44.160
their way to deactivate them. With our case here, they

570
00:32:44.160 --> 00:32:46.960
started off by pushing the lights down to the ground

571
00:32:47.079 --> 00:32:49.599
so they would light the air, and then later on

572
00:32:49.680 --> 00:32:52.319
they went to getting a stick and ramming it in

573
00:32:52.440 --> 00:32:56.160
through the passive infrared sensor woodling it around until it

574
00:32:56.200 --> 00:32:58.640
was totally demolished, so they do it was all. The

575
00:32:58.720 --> 00:33:01.599
other thing they did too was disconnect to power. See,

576
00:33:01.640 --> 00:33:04.079
this thing is particularly things like what they do is

577
00:33:04.640 --> 00:33:08.079
they're in the bush day and night. Mervetold us that

578
00:33:08.440 --> 00:33:11.480
don't think they're not around during the day. So during

579
00:33:11.480 --> 00:33:13.359
the day they're sitting there and you're putting up the

580
00:33:13.440 --> 00:33:16.839
motion sensing lights, and they're watching what you're doing, and

581
00:33:16.880 --> 00:33:20.359
they're watching very closely, and they realize that whatever that

582
00:33:20.400 --> 00:33:22.400
thing is on the side of it's hanging down there

583
00:33:22.640 --> 00:33:25.680
is an important component, and they'll go and investigate and

584
00:33:25.680 --> 00:33:27.759
they'll muck around with it and they'll find out that

585
00:33:27.759 --> 00:33:29.680
by doing that will stop the lights from working.

586
00:33:32.160 --> 00:33:38.160
Ikness, there's so many similarities, it's wild between what we're

587
00:33:38.200 --> 00:33:41.920
experiencing over here what you all have experienced over there.

588
00:33:42.599 --> 00:33:48.559
Something that is for a second, yes, go ahead, Yeah, it's.

589
00:33:48.480 --> 00:33:51.200
An important, very important point because that's what people say

590
00:33:51.200 --> 00:33:54.880
all the time. The similarity is the behaviors, in particular

591
00:33:54.920 --> 00:33:58.839
between Yawi, the three types of Yao and the American

592
00:33:58.880 --> 00:34:03.240
bigfoot are so close they must be the same animal,

593
00:34:03.640 --> 00:34:07.599
but they're not. They just have the same behaviors, which perups.

594
00:34:07.640 --> 00:34:10.280
You'll get onto a more depth later on, but that's

595
00:34:10.320 --> 00:34:11.639
an important point you mentioned.

596
00:34:12.239 --> 00:34:15.679
It is very I remember reading through your book and

597
00:34:15.719 --> 00:34:18.519
I was like, this, it's very weird because yeah, as

598
00:34:18.559 --> 00:34:22.119
you just stated, it doesn't look the same, like it's different,

599
00:34:22.320 --> 00:34:26.199
but it acts similar. Do you guys get reports of

600
00:34:26.719 --> 00:34:31.440
there being some people over here report there being a

601
00:34:31.440 --> 00:34:36.079
form of telepathic communication. Is that anything that's reported between

602
00:34:36.440 --> 00:34:39.039
these three and humans over there?

603
00:34:40.280 --> 00:34:44.000
No, but no not Some people talk about it, but

604
00:34:44.079 --> 00:34:47.559
not me. The main thing is I think that they're

605
00:34:47.599 --> 00:34:51.960
so smart. That's what they speed telepathy, because if you're

606
00:34:52.000 --> 00:34:55.360
walking towards the camera and they know what a camera is,

607
00:34:55.599 --> 00:35:00.280
they run away. It's they're actually communicating to you. Used

608
00:35:00.280 --> 00:35:02.880
to have them communicate back to us. For example, fat

609
00:35:02.880 --> 00:35:07.239
Foot used to go mook, which I think was warning

610
00:35:08.000 --> 00:35:10.480
because one time I went back to it and you

611
00:35:10.599 --> 00:35:13.440
got to set and yielded back at me. And then

612
00:35:13.599 --> 00:35:17.119
the third time I had to go back as well

613
00:35:17.199 --> 00:35:22.480
as I could, and she'd just below at me. Wow. Yeah, telepathic,

614
00:35:22.480 --> 00:35:27.480
But I think they rely pretty heavily still on voice okay, communicate.

615
00:35:28.159 --> 00:35:32.159
But their thing is that they've learned things like I'll

616
00:35:32.199 --> 00:35:36.800
have a very strong understanding of how people work. One

617
00:35:36.800 --> 00:35:39.639
of my favorite things with fat Foot was and with

618
00:35:39.800 --> 00:35:42.239
new people who come into the area, was that they

619
00:35:42.280 --> 00:35:45.000
would break a branch off of trees. You have a

620
00:35:45.079 --> 00:35:48.519
large branch, larger under branch, and put the hand on

621
00:35:48.559 --> 00:35:51.719
it and just break it off because very powerful. And

622
00:35:51.760 --> 00:35:56.599
then everybody who heard who hears this would say, there's

623
00:35:56.599 --> 00:35:59.639
something wrong with that sound. You think about it. Then

624
00:35:59.679 --> 00:36:01.880
if you thought about the will you realize what it is.

625
00:36:02.239 --> 00:36:06.119
You didn't hear the branch hit the ground. You just

626
00:36:06.239 --> 00:36:10.559
hear the branch and then silence, and then you put

627
00:36:10.559 --> 00:36:13.199
it two and two together and you go, that was

628
00:36:13.239 --> 00:36:17.079
a deliberate branch being broken off. Now that's missing with

629
00:36:17.159 --> 00:36:21.039
your mind. They do things like that. Another example might be,

630
00:36:22.079 --> 00:36:25.079
for example, if you're tracking one they will throw a

631
00:36:25.119 --> 00:36:27.559
branch or a rock in front of it the other thing,

632
00:36:27.639 --> 00:36:29.920
and then you go back to the front, and then

633
00:36:29.920 --> 00:36:32.000
they'll turn around and go the opposite way. It's a

634
00:36:32.000 --> 00:36:32.920
pretty simple one.

635
00:36:32.960 --> 00:36:36.639
But it's so similar, Neil, it's crazy. The behavior is

636
00:36:36.920 --> 00:36:37.599
very similar.

637
00:36:38.559 --> 00:36:42.360
I can't get over they're both intelligent. That's the reason why.

638
00:36:43.320 --> 00:36:43.639
Yeah.

639
00:36:43.679 --> 00:36:49.760
Absolutely, over the years, have you had any visual sightings

640
00:36:49.800 --> 00:36:52.599
yourself of any of the three?

641
00:36:52.960 --> 00:36:55.599
Yeah, I had a really good date on side, you know,

642
00:36:55.719 --> 00:36:59.000
and Jungby, which I drew a picture of and it's

643
00:36:59.039 --> 00:37:02.960
in the book. It turned out that there was another

644
00:37:03.199 --> 00:37:06.159
daytime signing by a woman one hundred and fifty years ago,

645
00:37:06.679 --> 00:37:10.400
and our two descriptions matched. That was the one with

646
00:37:10.480 --> 00:37:13.599
the face so much humans like face, but it has

647
00:37:13.920 --> 00:37:17.920
two yellow wings around the eyes, so daylight savings. I've

648
00:37:17.960 --> 00:37:21.239
had them with fat Foot in the early days, mainly

649
00:37:21.280 --> 00:37:23.880
because fat Foot in the early days, I didn't realize

650
00:37:23.880 --> 00:37:26.679
what our limitations were, and we didn't realize what early

651
00:37:26.639 --> 00:37:29.960
limitations were either, so we had a greater chance of

652
00:37:30.000 --> 00:37:34.519
having a visual encounter. As the days, weeks, and months

653
00:37:34.599 --> 00:37:37.880
and years went by, the chances of having an encounter

654
00:37:38.360 --> 00:37:42.280
diminished rapidly. The only thing is that recently see fat

655
00:37:42.280 --> 00:37:46.119
Foot finally died because I made predictions about her death

656
00:37:46.199 --> 00:37:50.360
several times. She finally died in February two thousand and

657
00:37:50.519 --> 00:37:54.280
twenty three and the reason why she die. I'm sure

658
00:37:54.320 --> 00:37:56.679
she died on that occasion because I had thought she'd

659
00:37:57.000 --> 00:38:01.280
prophesized to die earlier. It was because of that. One

660
00:38:01.400 --> 00:38:04.000
night we had some foot thumping, but I listened to

661
00:38:04.039 --> 00:38:06.360
it was in the house and I thought, I said

662
00:38:06.360 --> 00:38:10.920
to Sanding, this footthumping is very soft. It's almost pathetic,

663
00:38:11.079 --> 00:38:13.639
like it's struggling to do it. And then after that

664
00:38:13.719 --> 00:38:15.920
we never saw fat foot ever again, so I think

665
00:38:16.119 --> 00:38:19.599
she was coming up to say goodbye. So there's too

666
00:38:19.679 --> 00:38:22.159
much detail here to try and cover everything. But in

667
00:38:22.320 --> 00:38:24.199
the case of the foot thumping, what we would do

668
00:38:24.639 --> 00:38:27.760
we had to respond. So when she need to do

669
00:38:27.880 --> 00:38:29.920
the foot pump like this, and then if you do

670
00:38:29.960 --> 00:38:33.960
it every minute really well, if I didn't respond, she

671
00:38:33.960 --> 00:38:37.559
would keep on doing that all night. And the response

672
00:38:37.599 --> 00:38:40.159
had to be, in our case, was turning the outside

673
00:38:40.239 --> 00:38:44.480
light on and off three times clock it off and

674
00:38:44.519 --> 00:38:47.360
then she would stop doing it, because that was a

675
00:38:47.400 --> 00:38:50.519
single to earth. I've heard what you've said, and I'm

676
00:38:50.559 --> 00:38:52.519
not coming outside because we used to go out and

677
00:38:52.559 --> 00:38:55.159
play with her. That was the main thing with the

678
00:38:55.679 --> 00:39:00.039
using signals there something else I was going to tell you,

679
00:39:00.119 --> 00:39:01.679
not for lover them.

680
00:39:02.519 --> 00:39:04.679
I think it's a good thing you alluded to.

681
00:39:04.719 --> 00:39:05.480
It is that.

682
00:39:06.880 --> 00:39:10.800
In this book there there's so much detail. We're not

683
00:39:10.960 --> 00:39:15.440
going to cover even a fraction of it in this interview.

684
00:39:15.480 --> 00:39:18.480
There is so much information in this book. I really

685
00:39:18.519 --> 00:39:21.679
recommend that the listeners pick up a copy of it,

686
00:39:22.079 --> 00:39:24.800
and I'll have how to do that in the description.

687
00:39:25.119 --> 00:39:29.039
But it's just it's an incredible book. You'll learn a

688
00:39:29.079 --> 00:39:32.480
lot about what's going on over there in Australia that

689
00:39:32.559 --> 00:39:36.239
these three creatures there. Are they only found in Australia

690
00:39:36.320 --> 00:39:38.400
or are they found in other places as well in

691
00:39:38.440 --> 00:39:38.920
the region.

692
00:39:39.679 --> 00:39:43.519
I had one researcher that I respect from any city

693
00:39:43.639 --> 00:39:46.920
saw on the New gin which makes sense because New

694
00:39:46.960 --> 00:39:49.880
Guinea was twelve thousand years ago. Then it was attached

695
00:39:49.880 --> 00:39:54.840
to Australia at the Queensland though attached Tasmanias say, there's

696
00:39:54.840 --> 00:39:57.679
no reason why they shouldn't have gone into New Guinea.

697
00:39:57.719 --> 00:40:00.280
The any difference might be effect at least is a

698
00:40:00.400 --> 00:40:03.440
very heat sensitive. They don't like hot weather, probably like

699
00:40:03.519 --> 00:40:06.679
your bigfoot. They like to live in high mountains and

700
00:40:06.840 --> 00:40:09.519
cooler areas. That's why they live in a great dividing

701
00:40:09.639 --> 00:40:11.639
range here, because they go down the plains it's not

702
00:40:11.679 --> 00:40:14.320
a nice thing for them. They prefer to be to

703
00:40:14.480 --> 00:40:19.719
get cool. Whether there are other places they have ranges

704
00:40:19.800 --> 00:40:22.920
like for example, Quinking. Because of their size and because

705
00:40:22.960 --> 00:40:27.400
their rainforests it seems like they're rainforests. Animals only really

706
00:40:27.440 --> 00:40:29.480
find them on the East coast of Australia and the

707
00:40:29.639 --> 00:40:33.960
mountain ranges do all. They are found from Western Australia,

708
00:40:34.119 --> 00:40:36.760
Eastern Australia. They're basically everywhere in the same with jung

709
00:40:37.599 --> 00:40:43.159
So there are certain limitations with them. But yeah, who

710
00:40:43.199 --> 00:40:46.039
does it's there to put it?

711
00:40:47.119 --> 00:40:50.679
Do you have any favorite investigations that come to mind

712
00:40:50.719 --> 00:40:55.880
over the years where you've been brought into trying to

713
00:40:55.920 --> 00:40:58.639
figure out what's happening with or maybe talking to a

714
00:40:58.679 --> 00:41:02.519
person that's having interactions with any of the three that

715
00:41:02.559 --> 00:41:03.519
we're talking about today.

716
00:41:04.199 --> 00:41:06.039
Yeah, once again, it's so meny because we have to

717
00:41:06.079 --> 00:41:09.679
have is the octopus who would have reports probably three

718
00:41:09.719 --> 00:41:14.440
a week? Wow, coming in there wasn't any shortage of

719
00:41:14.480 --> 00:41:16.480
people used to say, how can you have three a week?

720
00:41:16.639 --> 00:41:19.480
These things? First all, they don't exist, and secondly they

721
00:41:19.760 --> 00:41:22.239
have so many reports on them. I see these people

722
00:41:22.639 --> 00:41:25.719
I don't know each other, they just report to they're

723
00:41:25.760 --> 00:41:28.679
reported to members of the Octopus, and the octopus members

724
00:41:28.719 --> 00:41:30.760
ring me up and say this is what happened last night.

725
00:41:31.000 --> 00:41:33.119
I'd hop in the car or drive down and I

726
00:41:33.199 --> 00:41:36.119
did it for you, the pullbuckers, because half the time

727
00:41:36.199 --> 00:41:40.199
they absolutely terrified that. For example, I think it was

728
00:41:40.840 --> 00:41:44.119
example was ald woman who went outside and she turned

729
00:41:44.119 --> 00:41:46.840
on the light and there was a big fellow hearing

730
00:41:46.880 --> 00:41:50.039
men standing there, and she said she could see it piece.

731
00:41:52.400 --> 00:41:56.360
She was absolutely terrified by the whole roses. There were

732
00:41:57.880 --> 00:42:01.360
other reports too that there's no end to them. My

733
00:42:01.480 --> 00:42:03.400
favorite one probably is the one that happened to me

734
00:42:03.679 --> 00:42:06.199
in the early days, or quite a number of one,

735
00:42:06.199 --> 00:42:08.800
but one was when I was out living in the bush.

736
00:42:09.480 --> 00:42:13.559
I was out, we had in sip station fifteen thousand acres,

737
00:42:14.159 --> 00:42:17.039
no one around it. And one night has come back

738
00:42:17.079 --> 00:42:20.079
from my holidays and I came back and I found

739
00:42:20.119 --> 00:42:24.760
that my pigeon Cooper, which I had built underneath the

740
00:42:24.760 --> 00:42:28.199
water tank, all the pigeons were dead because the water

741
00:42:28.280 --> 00:42:31.880
tank had collapsed for some reason and killed the burns,

742
00:42:31.880 --> 00:42:35.000
and something got out and the whole area was not

743
00:42:35.199 --> 00:42:37.760
So I spoke to Ned, the farmer, and I said, look,

744
00:42:37.840 --> 00:42:40.760
then he can do something about the water supply. We

745
00:42:40.800 --> 00:42:43.679
haven't got any water again. So then with a good

746
00:42:43.719 --> 00:42:46.000
bloke he went and border a brand new concrete tank

747
00:42:46.519 --> 00:42:49.679
and came with a bobcap next morning and cleared the area,

748
00:42:49.800 --> 00:42:51.280
got rid of water robe which she put a brand

749
00:42:51.320 --> 00:42:54.920
new water tank in and then carted some water from

750
00:42:54.920 --> 00:42:57.519
in town in the filled up our water tanks. Thanks

751
00:42:57.639 --> 00:43:02.719
then rap Bloat. That night, I was working up approaching

752
00:43:02.840 --> 00:43:07.239
midnight to the sound of something outside. Now that this

753
00:43:07.320 --> 00:43:11.239
house was a double brick house, it was a farmhouse.

754
00:43:11.320 --> 00:43:15.920
It's built solidly, shall we say, and it was heat

755
00:43:15.960 --> 00:43:19.199
out and various other things, very high ceilings and it's

756
00:43:19.239 --> 00:43:21.960
still I could hear it through the bricks. I thought,

757
00:43:22.519 --> 00:43:25.119
whatever this is me and I didn't realize had made

758
00:43:25.119 --> 00:43:29.000
the connection. And then then I heard footsteps on the

759
00:43:29.039 --> 00:43:35.000
wooden veranda. Now the footsteps were very heavy because the floorboards,

760
00:43:35.320 --> 00:43:40.000
which were pretty solid, the hardwood floorboards started to creek.

761
00:43:41.199 --> 00:43:44.039
Now they normally didn't creak at all, they would have

762
00:43:44.079 --> 00:43:47.639
any creek. And then the next sound is the sound

763
00:43:47.760 --> 00:43:50.800
like whatever it was coming up to my windown. So

764
00:43:50.920 --> 00:43:53.679
I slid my way self up against the windock and

765
00:43:53.679 --> 00:43:57.719
I was sleeping on the floor. And then gradually sat

766
00:43:57.800 --> 00:43:59.880
up in bed. And as soon as I did this,

767
00:44:00.039 --> 00:44:03.559
and took off whatever it was and ran across the

768
00:44:03.679 --> 00:44:08.119
veranda into the paddocks. As a result of that, I

769
00:44:08.320 --> 00:44:11.719
thought Jesus sounded really scary, like it was a big

770
00:44:11.760 --> 00:44:14.599
person because they were definitely on two legs. It wasn't

771
00:44:14.599 --> 00:44:17.679
a sheep or anything like that. So I ran to

772
00:44:17.760 --> 00:44:20.519
the kitchen, turned every light on. I drew out two

773
00:44:21.079 --> 00:44:23.840
kitchen knives and held them, and then ran the manual

774
00:44:23.920 --> 00:44:27.079
exchange to ring up. When I spoke to one of

775
00:44:27.079 --> 00:44:29.039
my students and said, get it when I have to

776
00:44:29.119 --> 00:44:32.199
hear something going on. I need some help now. So

777
00:44:32.280 --> 00:44:33.960
I went and stood out in the paddic with two

778
00:44:34.079 --> 00:44:36.960
knives with all the lights on, just kept turning around

779
00:44:36.960 --> 00:44:39.199
and make sure nothing was sneaking up on me. And

780
00:44:39.280 --> 00:44:42.480
eventually the other teachers arrived and relieved me. And then

781
00:44:42.519 --> 00:44:45.800
when they put their cars around around where we were

782
00:44:46.199 --> 00:44:48.119
and turned the high beams on, all we could see

783
00:44:48.280 --> 00:44:51.280
these muddy footprints going up onto the veranda and then

784
00:44:51.360 --> 00:44:55.719
down off the other side. I once again, at that stage,

785
00:44:55.800 --> 00:44:58.320
I wasn't aware of these things, and it wasn't yellow

786
00:44:58.400 --> 00:45:01.519
you are aware. I was. I still thought maybe this is

787
00:45:01.519 --> 00:45:05.039
an intruder because they were footprints. We're footprints, but they

788
00:45:05.039 --> 00:45:08.920
were still footprints. And I went and spoke to all

789
00:45:09.000 --> 00:45:11.320
the people in the town. I want to go to

790
00:45:11.320 --> 00:45:13.960
the pub. There's nothing else to do. We get to

791
00:45:14.000 --> 00:45:16.199
the pub, nothing to do, and all day to do it.

792
00:45:16.440 --> 00:45:18.719
And so I'd go into the go to the pub

793
00:45:18.760 --> 00:45:20.800
and talk to them. And the people who talk most

794
00:45:20.800 --> 00:45:24.559
about it were the truck drivers. The truck drivers would say,

795
00:45:24.760 --> 00:45:27.119
and we're driving along, these are the areas you don't

796
00:45:27.119 --> 00:45:30.360
go through, because he said I would run across in

797
00:45:30.360 --> 00:45:32.679
front of the trucks during the night. I said, we

798
00:45:32.840 --> 00:45:36.079
do a dash as big area thing. We'll just built

799
00:45:36.079 --> 00:45:38.320
across in front of the trucks. Or were they to

800
00:45:38.320 --> 00:45:43.039
get out and turn around and stop standing behind them,

801
00:45:43.360 --> 00:45:46.079
or they're sleep in the truck and then something would

802
00:45:46.159 --> 00:45:48.519
grab hole of the truck. Is that try and move

803
00:45:48.559 --> 00:45:51.119
alund you be rigged and they would shake to the

804
00:45:51.159 --> 00:45:54.320
truck were running. These were the quite common things that

805
00:45:54.400 --> 00:45:58.000
started to make you say there's something I need to

806
00:45:58.079 --> 00:46:01.800
invest thing a bit more so there were that was

807
00:46:01.800 --> 00:46:05.280
probably one that was stuck out pretty well. Probably the

808
00:46:05.360 --> 00:46:09.159
ultimate scary one for me was one night after and

809
00:46:09.679 --> 00:46:12.960
my neighbor, my bike and neighbor had been out chasing

810
00:46:13.239 --> 00:46:16.639
fat Foot through the scrub and we got back about

811
00:46:16.639 --> 00:46:19.679
midnight and we were sitting on the veranda and he said, look,

812
00:46:19.679 --> 00:46:21.760
I'm going to have to go to bed because I'm

813
00:46:21.760 --> 00:46:24.719
going to go to work and start working the morning,

814
00:46:24.719 --> 00:46:27.480
and said i'll see you later. I sat up by

815
00:46:27.480 --> 00:46:29.360
myself and I thought, I'm going to I'm going to

816
00:46:29.440 --> 00:46:32.519
sit down here. I'm going to test fat foots scammer

817
00:46:32.599 --> 00:46:34.960
in terms of how long it can put out. The

818
00:46:35.039 --> 00:46:39.119
moon's easier. So I moved the table up against the

819
00:46:39.239 --> 00:46:42.639
edge of the veranda in the moonlight, and the chair

820
00:46:42.800 --> 00:46:46.400
when aside. I packed smokes, six pack of beer, put

821
00:46:46.519 --> 00:46:49.159
on the table and just sat me. So I had

822
00:46:49.199 --> 00:46:51.880
a smoke and had a beer. And this went on

823
00:46:51.920 --> 00:46:54.679
for quite a while, and there's times going by I'm

824
00:46:54.719 --> 00:46:56.679
thinking nothing much is going to happen here, So get

825
00:46:56.960 --> 00:47:00.320
able to drag it further across into the moonlight so

826
00:47:00.360 --> 00:47:03.559
they could see me clearly. And then eventually, after this

827
00:47:03.840 --> 00:47:07.280
really long period of doing this thing, fat Foot spat

828
00:47:07.360 --> 00:47:11.920
the dummy and she got up and she shook these trees.

829
00:47:12.000 --> 00:47:14.039
Now I don't know if for me were austrange trees

830
00:47:14.079 --> 00:47:16.599
at the harbors and allowed me to a solid trees.

831
00:47:16.920 --> 00:47:18.920
And this was only an eight inch diameter tree. It

832
00:47:18.960 --> 00:47:21.039
was like a pine tree. It was eight inches diameter,

833
00:47:21.400 --> 00:47:24.360
but very solid. And in the moonlight I could see

834
00:47:24.440 --> 00:47:29.239
this strange cook tree whipping through a nineteen degree arc

835
00:47:29.400 --> 00:47:32.639
like this, and then it moved across to another one

836
00:47:32.679 --> 00:47:36.559
and did the same, and then it kept them both together.

837
00:47:36.719 --> 00:47:39.199
It must have had been running around pushing all the

838
00:47:39.280 --> 00:47:42.079
trees to keep the motion up amongst the whole lot

839
00:47:42.119 --> 00:47:45.159
of them. And then it stormed off down into the valley,

840
00:47:45.199 --> 00:47:48.280
and all the dogs erupted. So I went down to

841
00:47:48.559 --> 00:47:52.599
the swamp to try and encourage them and say I'm siding.

842
00:47:52.679 --> 00:47:55.280
Then stirred up late that she wouldn't come back. She

843
00:47:55.400 --> 00:47:58.119
just spat it and we could hear with the dog's

844
00:47:58.159 --> 00:48:00.119
bark and down the valley for the next lie over

845
00:48:00.199 --> 00:48:03.920
ten minutes. But just emphasize how strong this animal was

846
00:48:04.199 --> 00:48:06.719
rely strong to be able to do that to the trees,

847
00:48:06.719 --> 00:48:08.559
because next morning, when I went to the trees, you

848
00:48:08.559 --> 00:48:11.239
can see where you had been pushing on a tree.

849
00:48:11.519 --> 00:48:14.119
But I put my weight behind it, I can barely

850
00:48:14.199 --> 00:48:17.440
do it. If I started rocking it, I could move

851
00:48:17.480 --> 00:48:20.880
it up and nowhere knew what fat Foot could. I thought,

852
00:48:20.880 --> 00:48:22.400
that's a scary animal.

853
00:48:24.400 --> 00:48:25.559
That is in.

854
00:48:27.320 --> 00:48:30.360
That. Fuck it was me after that. Things like that

855
00:48:30.559 --> 00:48:33.519
scared me so much. I used to carry a tomahawk

856
00:48:33.559 --> 00:48:35.719
down the back of my trousers and there you go,

857
00:48:36.079 --> 00:48:38.079
go out your how he's hunting of the night time.

858
00:48:38.679 --> 00:48:41.920
And then even saying he was a stir he would say,

859
00:48:42.199 --> 00:48:44.159
now when you got to trump tomahawk down the back

860
00:48:44.199 --> 00:48:47.719
here trousers for I said, okay, we need it and

861
00:48:47.960 --> 00:48:50.920
we need self defin. He said, you're wasting your time,

862
00:48:51.280 --> 00:48:54.360
absolutely wasting your time, because if you use that that

863
00:48:54.440 --> 00:48:56.719
tomahawk on fat Foot, all you're going to do is

864
00:48:56.760 --> 00:49:02.360
get a cranky. You're better off in that case, then

865
00:49:02.440 --> 00:49:04.639
use the tom a hawk on yourself. Beare will be

866
00:49:04.679 --> 00:49:06.440
a lot quicker and a lot less painful.

867
00:49:06.880 --> 00:49:10.480
Oh yeah, oh my goodness.

868
00:49:10.519 --> 00:49:14.079
Has there have there ever been any videos taken of

869
00:49:14.599 --> 00:49:16.320
bat Foot over the years?

870
00:49:17.159 --> 00:49:20.039
Yeah? Yeah, the in some page two I think over

871
00:49:20.039 --> 00:49:22.719
the book, there's a black white photograph. I made my

872
00:49:22.760 --> 00:49:25.719
own game camera, because back in those days you couldn't

873
00:49:25.719 --> 00:49:27.719
get a game camera, so he had to make he

874
00:49:27.760 --> 00:49:29.079
had to make your own. If you want to one,

875
00:49:29.119 --> 00:49:32.079
So I made one using a film camera, high speed

876
00:49:32.119 --> 00:49:36.159
film car, stardom motor, the solo word off that connect

877
00:49:36.199 --> 00:49:38.960
to the cable release onto the end of that a

878
00:49:38.960 --> 00:49:42.239
car battery, a passive in for red sensor, and some

879
00:49:42.320 --> 00:49:45.239
flood legs. So what happened is anything went through the

880
00:49:45.280 --> 00:49:49.360
standard building of the passive in for red, it would

881
00:49:49.719 --> 00:49:52.719
set off the lights and then it will set off

882
00:49:52.760 --> 00:49:56.679
the car solo on stardom motor. You'll push the cable

883
00:49:56.719 --> 00:50:00.199
and take one photograph per night and doing animation. Your

884
00:50:00.519 --> 00:50:03.920
photograph of fat foot space and that's what's cover there

885
00:50:04.079 --> 00:50:08.199
is based on that photograph. Is that's where it came from.

886
00:50:08.360 --> 00:50:15.400
I to hear it's a pretty crude photo. People say,

887
00:50:15.440 --> 00:50:17.320
actually battle than that. I said, I'm going to get

888
00:50:17.320 --> 00:50:17.880
your own.

889
00:50:19.480 --> 00:50:22.880
Exactly. You can go get to your ound. That's awesome.

890
00:50:23.440 --> 00:50:26.599
So we've alluded to it a few times. Do you

891
00:50:26.639 --> 00:50:31.599
have any thoughts about the behavior of these three being

892
00:50:31.719 --> 00:50:35.679
so similar to what's reported with the behavior of the

893
00:50:35.719 --> 00:50:37.400
bigfoot in North America?

894
00:50:38.679 --> 00:50:41.840
Because they're all intelligent and thinking. They all had in

895
00:50:41.880 --> 00:50:45.039
common like us is they've got two hands, they've got

896
00:50:45.119 --> 00:50:47.280
to highly develop the brain whatever it is, even a

897
00:50:47.599 --> 00:50:51.280
reasonable brain. They walk on two legs. That's the basic

898
00:50:51.360 --> 00:50:55.599
answer because in having two hands, it means the hands

899
00:50:55.599 --> 00:51:00.559
are being freed from quadruped from walking on four walking

900
00:51:00.599 --> 00:51:03.679
on two biped and the two hands are then used

901
00:51:03.719 --> 00:51:07.360
to manipulate, which means they can use tools, means that

902
00:51:07.400 --> 00:51:11.000
they can basically do the same as what we can do.

903
00:51:11.519 --> 00:51:14.039
So they because they're intelligent, because of the fact that

904
00:51:14.079 --> 00:51:17.760
they have the tools, physical ability to do it, to

905
00:51:17.880 --> 00:51:21.880
do complex tasks. And that's probably the main reason why

906
00:51:21.920 --> 00:51:24.719
you would say that the same. The other reason is

907
00:51:25.800 --> 00:51:30.960
what's called convergence in nature. A lot of animals that

908
00:51:31.119 --> 00:51:37.519
are not biologically related. So for example, you're flying squirrel

909
00:51:38.079 --> 00:51:41.639
and our sugar glider, you have a little bit they

910
00:51:41.679 --> 00:51:45.320
have pretty simply to each other. But ones are massiupial

911
00:51:45.599 --> 00:51:49.679
and ones are placential. Ones in North America, ones in Australia,

912
00:51:50.079 --> 00:51:52.880
So there are opposite sides of the planet. They're being

913
00:51:52.960 --> 00:51:55.519
separated from each other for who knows how many millions

914
00:51:55.519 --> 00:52:01.639
and years, but they still have the same physical characteristics.

915
00:52:01.639 --> 00:52:05.639
The more importantly, they also have the same behavioral character

916
00:52:05.679 --> 00:52:09.360
that they behave almost identically. I did that in the book.

917
00:52:09.400 --> 00:52:12.039
I wrote it all the characteristics for flying squirrel and

918
00:52:12.079 --> 00:52:15.199
then all the characteristics of sugar waders, and did that

919
00:52:15.199 --> 00:52:18.280
well other things like the files seen in dogs. It's

920
00:52:18.360 --> 00:52:22.280
converging evolution. If an animal lives in the same environment

921
00:52:22.519 --> 00:52:25.400
as some animal for a long enough period of time,

922
00:52:25.480 --> 00:52:31.440
they will both eventually develop or evolve techniques or physical

923
00:52:31.519 --> 00:52:35.599
characteristics to make them cope in that environment. So that's

924
00:52:35.920 --> 00:52:38.360
basically the reason why they look very similar while they

925
00:52:38.440 --> 00:52:43.079
behaviors similar. That's a simil answer.

926
00:52:44.559 --> 00:52:49.079
It's extremely interesting. A few my listeners might be wondering,

927
00:52:49.199 --> 00:52:50.400
is there a place to.

928
00:52:52.840 --> 00:52:53.559
Is arctopus?

929
00:52:54.079 --> 00:52:58.280
Is it still a running organization, and is there a

930
00:52:58.280 --> 00:53:03.480
place to like how we have with the BFROC reports

931
00:53:03.559 --> 00:53:07.039
that are given, Is there a public way that people

932
00:53:07.079 --> 00:53:10.159
can see the reports or is it more that the

933
00:53:10.239 --> 00:53:14.199
reports were taken and they're not really in a public forum.

934
00:53:14.519 --> 00:53:18.360
It is a closed network. Okay, so when it happened,

935
00:53:18.360 --> 00:53:20.880
we didn't share it with anybody. A lot of them,

936
00:53:21.599 --> 00:53:26.960
but a number of these forums do it to click

937
00:53:27.079 --> 00:53:32.400
data information squat stories, and they tend to become a

938
00:53:32.400 --> 00:53:36.280
little bit contentious over a period of time because people

939
00:53:36.320 --> 00:53:41.239
have disagreements. In the case of the octopus was very congenial.

940
00:53:41.440 --> 00:53:44.440
There were never any problems because people would talk to

941
00:53:44.519 --> 00:53:48.199
each other rather than The deadliest thing, in my opinion,

942
00:53:48.280 --> 00:53:52.360
is electronic communication. I mean Apple and the iPhone is

943
00:53:52.400 --> 00:53:58.320
a lot demensiful. It's physical. Face to face communication is

944
00:53:58.320 --> 00:54:00.960
the important way. So I believe in the old fashioned

945
00:54:00.960 --> 00:54:07.280
methods of communicating, there have less problems. You don't have arguments.

946
00:54:07.480 --> 00:54:11.360
Everything is a lot smooth to operate, and that's how

947
00:54:11.400 --> 00:54:14.559
we operated with the octopus. So we get people ringing up.

948
00:54:14.719 --> 00:54:16.840
And people did it a bit for simple reason, not

949
00:54:16.880 --> 00:54:18.639
that they want to fame well, they wanted to have

950
00:54:18.679 --> 00:54:22.440
a see how many hits they got on the website.

951
00:54:22.719 --> 00:54:24.800
They did it because they knew that what they were

952
00:54:24.840 --> 00:54:27.800
doing was making a difference. It was making a difference

953
00:54:27.840 --> 00:54:30.840
to some people's lives in some cases because they're lived

954
00:54:30.880 --> 00:54:33.800
through the same problem, and so by doing this was

955
00:54:33.840 --> 00:54:37.440
making life easier for those full bastards. And also it

956
00:54:37.519 --> 00:54:40.920
was they felt that the research being carried out was ethical.

957
00:54:41.800 --> 00:54:46.159
And a lot of ethical issues with some of these groups.

958
00:54:46.679 --> 00:54:49.519
Some of them want to I don't approve of groups

959
00:54:49.519 --> 00:54:51.519
that want to go out and blow them away with

960
00:54:51.599 --> 00:54:54.480
a gun to just simply say they can prove it

961
00:54:54.960 --> 00:54:58.280
we had that with the police here. We once again

962
00:54:58.760 --> 00:55:02.280
we stop. We had the police here. We got them

963
00:55:02.360 --> 00:55:05.559
in the early stages because we were very scared that

964
00:55:05.760 --> 00:55:08.639
no one would believe us, and they were particularly were

965
00:55:08.840 --> 00:55:11.320
very scared when MERV told us that when your children

966
00:55:11.360 --> 00:55:14.920
could go missing. Now, I don't know how for me

967
00:55:15.159 --> 00:55:19.800
any of your Americans are with the classic Australian case

968
00:55:20.039 --> 00:55:24.719
of the dingo taking a child's baby, that there was

969
00:55:24.760 --> 00:55:27.400
a case here. There was a case here, so.

970
00:55:28.320 --> 00:55:29.159
I can comment on.

971
00:55:29.440 --> 00:55:33.320
So I would say a guest talking for the American culture.

972
00:55:33.760 --> 00:55:36.079
The most that we know about that is because it

973
00:55:36.159 --> 00:55:38.639
was reference in Seinfeld back in the nineties.

974
00:55:40.559 --> 00:55:44.360
Anyway, you know what, I'm Dinga took a child and

975
00:55:45.320 --> 00:55:49.000
the woman, the mother said it wasn't her, it was Dinga,

976
00:55:49.119 --> 00:55:51.880
came into the tent and took a baby. They locked

977
00:55:51.880 --> 00:55:55.920
her up. Wow, they locked her and that was the

978
00:55:55.920 --> 00:55:58.360
evidence that we were an evidence to it. And then

979
00:55:58.400 --> 00:56:01.679
they claimed that she must have killed the baby on

980
00:56:02.079 --> 00:56:06.039
circumstantial evidence. And then years later when she was acquitted,

981
00:56:06.079 --> 00:56:09.760
they found out when DNA got more sophisticated, they found

982
00:56:09.760 --> 00:56:12.719
out that the blood sandals they had didn't match various

983
00:56:12.719 --> 00:56:15.840
other things, and it wasn't. It wasn't her fault. It

984
00:56:16.000 --> 00:56:18.880
was she wasn't the cause of the problem. That scarce

985
00:56:18.920 --> 00:56:20.559
a bit, so we thought that you need to be

986
00:56:20.599 --> 00:56:23.199
a little bit careful with things like that.

987
00:56:24.599 --> 00:56:28.239
Absolutely, no, that makes sense. You're walking on thin ice.

988
00:56:28.280 --> 00:56:30.000
That were It was the fact.

989
00:56:29.760 --> 00:56:32.559
That we turned to the get the police to help us.

990
00:56:32.960 --> 00:56:35.679
In the early stages we had the Aborigines when we

991
00:56:35.719 --> 00:56:38.760
needed we thought, maybe we need the police. You can

992
00:56:38.880 --> 00:56:42.719
imagine the police response to us saying we've got a yabby.

993
00:56:43.239 --> 00:56:44.960
You can probably imagine what it would have been like.

994
00:56:45.079 --> 00:56:47.960
They didn't believe. And so we had a procession of

995
00:56:47.960 --> 00:56:51.800
people coming down to the to our house to experience it.

996
00:56:52.559 --> 00:56:55.880
I had one bloke who was particularly interesting because he

997
00:56:55.920 --> 00:57:00.039
had a few encounters and he thought there's something in this.

998
00:57:00.519 --> 00:57:03.920
And then one night, these last night down there, he

999
00:57:04.199 --> 00:57:07.159
came with me down to the back and I said,

1000
00:57:07.800 --> 00:57:10.400
it's over there. You might be able to hear it,

1001
00:57:11.079 --> 00:57:13.599
and then you could hear noises or whatever. And I

1002
00:57:13.599 --> 00:57:16.880
said to him, look, I'm going to go and wander

1003
00:57:16.920 --> 00:57:19.440
over and have a chat to it. You're welcome to come.

1004
00:57:19.480 --> 00:57:20.960
I think you'll be right as long as you come

1005
00:57:21.039 --> 00:57:24.559
quietly and you can experience his first hand. And he

1006
00:57:24.599 --> 00:57:27.880
said to me, now, there's no way you're going to

1007
00:57:27.920 --> 00:57:30.679
get me over there. And I'm packing a gun. He said,

1008
00:57:30.920 --> 00:57:34.440
I'm not going over there under any circumstances. So with

1009
00:57:34.559 --> 00:57:37.960
the police, that was one in one of the incidents,

1010
00:57:38.000 --> 00:57:42.760
and that they all experienced the standard ridicule. So back

1011
00:57:42.800 --> 00:57:45.039
at the police station they had to wear cartoons put

1012
00:57:45.119 --> 00:57:49.119
up on the wall saying about how's blah blah blah,

1013
00:57:49.159 --> 00:57:52.159
and so it was quite traumatic for them too. But

1014
00:57:52.199 --> 00:57:55.400
then we had the sergeant of police a few things

1015
00:57:55.440 --> 00:57:57.679
and he checked out the eyes. I had a photograph

1016
00:57:57.719 --> 00:58:00.440
of the eyes and he looked at I said, it's

1017
00:58:00.440 --> 00:58:04.079
a fox, mate. I said, no problem, here's the photograph,

1018
00:58:04.280 --> 00:58:06.559
there's the camera. I took it on. There's a chair

1019
00:58:06.760 --> 00:58:09.760
you the constable going and figure it out yourself. And

1020
00:58:09.840 --> 00:58:12.280
then after about ten minutes and I was swearing, we

1021
00:58:12.400 --> 00:58:14.519
came back and said this thing is six foot tall.

1022
00:58:14.800 --> 00:58:17.199
I said it's right. He said what is this thing?

1023
00:58:17.280 --> 00:58:21.119
I said, can you tell me? So we had that

1024
00:58:21.199 --> 00:58:24.519
and then the police switched over their attitude. It became

1025
00:58:24.800 --> 00:58:27.400
we're going to blow it away. So then they came

1026
00:58:27.440 --> 00:58:29.679
in and said we're going to have a steakout and

1027
00:58:29.719 --> 00:58:32.119
they came in with high powered rifles and Wollway kick

1028
00:58:32.159 --> 00:58:35.360
bullets and all these sorts of nasty things. And they

1029
00:58:35.360 --> 00:58:36.840
came into a house and I said, and what are

1030
00:58:36.880 --> 00:58:39.000
you doing? They said, we're going to shoot this thing.

1031
00:58:39.039 --> 00:58:41.320
I said, no, you're not. I said, and you're not

1032
00:58:41.360 --> 00:58:42.920
going to shoot this thing for the sake of but

1033
00:58:42.960 --> 00:58:45.679
we don't need to prove it. And he says, he said,

1034
00:58:45.960 --> 00:58:48.159
don't you want this problem sold? Yeah, but not by

1035
00:58:48.280 --> 00:58:50.880
killing the thing. This thing's really smart and it's not

1036
00:58:50.920 --> 00:58:53.440
worth killing. You're not going to do it, And so

1037
00:58:53.679 --> 00:58:55.719
my life. I went and had an emergency meeting in

1038
00:58:55.800 --> 00:58:58.480
the bedroom and then came back after after a while,

1039
00:58:58.519 --> 00:59:01.400
because we decided we had big enough trouble trying to

1040
00:59:01.440 --> 00:59:03.400
shoot it with a camera, let n then trying to

1041
00:59:03.400 --> 00:59:06.400
shoot it with a gun. So we thought, go along

1042
00:59:06.440 --> 00:59:08.199
with this thing. So we told the police that we

1043
00:59:08.199 --> 00:59:10.119
weren't going to cooperate and it was up to them

1044
00:59:10.159 --> 00:59:12.320
what they did. So they went out there and they

1045
00:59:12.400 --> 00:59:14.559
ended up talking to all the neighbors around here and

1046
00:59:14.679 --> 00:59:17.039
what they came back and said, I don't know what's

1047
00:59:17.079 --> 00:59:19.079
going on down here, but got a lot of support

1048
00:59:19.119 --> 00:59:21.719
in this value. He was there all Optimus members that

1049
00:59:21.840 --> 00:59:25.079
the reasonable. But when I was to thinks some stuff

1050
00:59:25.079 --> 00:59:27.719
on here, I think I could be here for all

1051
00:59:27.800 --> 00:59:31.679
to day. So I think all quits of that stature.

1052
00:59:33.559 --> 00:59:37.320
So the area where you had of the fat Foot encounters,

1053
00:59:37.360 --> 00:59:40.000
even though fat Foot is not no longer with us,

1054
00:59:40.519 --> 00:59:45.039
do you think there's still interactions with Duela gals that

1055
00:59:45.159 --> 00:59:47.320
happened in that same area.

1056
00:59:47.880 --> 00:59:51.840
It's the reason is because on the first of December

1057
00:59:52.519 --> 00:59:55.760
last year, at five past ten, I had a daylight

1058
00:59:55.840 --> 00:59:59.599
signing of Dula about fifty meters away to the north

1059
00:59:59.639 --> 01:00:03.079
of our use scratching a tree out. Now, that was,

1060
01:00:03.159 --> 01:00:05.760
as we call it jokingly here son of fat Foot.

1061
01:00:07.039 --> 01:00:08.920
We had there was a date on up so there.

1062
01:00:09.000 --> 01:00:12.480
So that is years we when we had fat Foot

1063
01:00:12.519 --> 01:00:15.039
around and very active. In the early days, we'd have

1064
01:00:15.199 --> 01:00:18.000
a lot of the neighbors involved in suppose you call

1065
01:00:18.079 --> 01:00:23.119
it community watch. So when we'll be outside, other neighbors

1066
01:00:23.119 --> 01:00:25.239
would be as well. And I get telephone calls the

1067
01:00:25.280 --> 01:00:28.079
next day. And what happened was one night and one

1068
01:00:28.119 --> 01:00:31.280
morning I I got a phone call from a neighbor

1069
01:00:31.360 --> 01:00:33.760
up the road and said, I saw you and I

1070
01:00:34.000 --> 01:00:36.880
last night outside. Yeah, we hunted. He said, yeah, also

1071
01:00:36.960 --> 01:00:39.960
what we do it frequently. And he said, you know

1072
01:00:40.119 --> 01:00:43.039
you're missed her. I said, no, you didn't. He said,

1073
01:00:43.119 --> 01:00:45.880
yes you did. And I said, okay, why did we

1074
01:00:45.920 --> 01:00:48.079
miss fat Foot? And he said we go. I saw

1075
01:00:48.159 --> 01:00:51.000
you following her down heading down to the swamp, and

1076
01:00:51.079 --> 01:00:53.639
she was up here at the top near the place,

1077
01:00:54.079 --> 01:00:57.559
standing behind a tree, turning looking at me and looking

1078
01:00:57.599 --> 01:01:01.599
at YouTube down the back. So that we there's attle

1079
01:01:01.599 --> 01:01:03.800
wings two and it turned out we thought there were three.

1080
01:01:04.360 --> 01:01:08.039
We thought that she had understanding with Joey's little ones

1081
01:01:08.480 --> 01:01:12.360
that she was bringing up as well. There's he had

1082
01:01:12.480 --> 01:01:19.039
clearly Moratu nature abhors a vacuum, so whenever something leaves

1083
01:01:19.519 --> 01:01:23.719
us moves in behind. So when fat Foot was getting weaker,

1084
01:01:24.280 --> 01:01:27.280
and that was happening for the last decade or so,

1085
01:01:27.920 --> 01:01:32.639
notice of the weaker, which I recognized, we had Jungity

1086
01:01:32.800 --> 01:01:37.440
moving in behind. So we had increased in Jungity activity

1087
01:01:37.719 --> 01:01:40.840
as soon as fat Foot start a getting weaker, because

1088
01:01:40.880 --> 01:01:45.079
obviously fat Foot, being the large, powerful woman that she'd

1089
01:01:45.119 --> 01:01:48.440
be in a matriarch, she would defend her territory and

1090
01:01:48.559 --> 01:01:51.360
included it from Jungenny. And as soon as she wasn't

1091
01:01:51.400 --> 01:01:53.760
up for the scraps that junge Ny moved in. So

1092
01:01:54.199 --> 01:01:57.719
it's a standard thing. I mean, had a lot of

1093
01:01:57.719 --> 01:01:59.719
examples that are around in the mountains where you have,

1094
01:02:00.159 --> 01:02:02.000
for a period of time we have a dominant male

1095
01:02:02.119 --> 01:02:06.880
female whatever quintin judging you or whether it's and then

1096
01:02:06.960 --> 01:02:11.760
things seem to change and then different characteristics, different behaviors appear,

1097
01:02:12.039 --> 01:02:14.679
and you get different types of silents. So it's a

1098
01:02:14.679 --> 01:02:18.480
constant style of flocks. You get it happens, must have

1099
01:02:18.559 --> 01:02:21.119
a Neigbhod nature anyway, that's behavior.

1100
01:02:23.559 --> 01:02:26.280
I can't wait until this episode is released, so it'll

1101
01:02:26.320 --> 01:02:31.800
be very interesting to see what this brings in, because

1102
01:02:31.840 --> 01:02:34.519
this is a whole new world of things. When I

1103
01:02:34.559 --> 01:02:36.239
was reading your book the first time, I was like,

1104
01:02:36.320 --> 01:02:37.480
this is all incredible.

1105
01:02:37.679 --> 01:02:38.320
I can't believe.

1106
01:02:38.360 --> 01:02:41.559
I really haven't heard any of this over here in

1107
01:02:41.599 --> 01:02:45.519
North America, especially the US. We have a focus right

1108
01:02:45.519 --> 01:02:51.400
now on trying to break the genetic code of the Bigfoot.

1109
01:02:51.679 --> 01:02:54.800
Is there anything like that going on over in Australia

1110
01:02:54.840 --> 01:02:56.920
with these three creatures as well?

1111
01:02:58.079 --> 01:03:01.159
Yeah, we were charged this same thing here. Of course,

1112
01:03:01.800 --> 01:03:03.920
it's in the book as well. I talked about DNA

1113
01:03:03.960 --> 01:03:07.400
and our attempts to try and do that. We actually

1114
01:03:07.679 --> 01:03:10.119
got a hold of three hair samples from a barbed

1115
01:03:10.119 --> 01:03:12.840
wire fence down on the inch of our property. As

1116
01:03:12.840 --> 01:03:14.760
a fact, if we can see them with the barb

1117
01:03:15.119 --> 01:03:17.559
and you can see these three orange airs coming out

1118
01:03:17.559 --> 01:03:21.679
of the wire. Now why orange is significance because orange

1119
01:03:21.800 --> 01:03:27.079
is an adaptation, genetic adaptation to low light levels. Orange

1120
01:03:27.119 --> 01:03:29.639
hair allows more light to travel through the hair to

1121
01:03:29.760 --> 01:03:34.760
the skin produce violamin D. So only thing with orange

1122
01:03:34.760 --> 01:03:39.480
hair tends to be come from a low light environment. Anyway,

1123
01:03:39.679 --> 01:03:41.480
we know these three orange airs, and at that time,

1124
01:03:41.639 --> 01:03:46.599
back on the early nineties, DNA was in its infancy infancy,

1125
01:03:46.760 --> 01:03:49.760
and we couldn't find anyone who would analyze it for us.

1126
01:03:49.880 --> 01:03:54.719
And the closest we came to was biological hair analysis

1127
01:03:54.880 --> 01:03:58.480
or microscopic hair analysis by looking at the scales on

1128
01:03:58.599 --> 01:04:01.400
the hair as they can untill what time of analytic

1129
01:04:01.559 --> 01:04:04.119
isn't So he thought, oh, we'll give that a game.

1130
01:04:04.280 --> 01:04:11.280
So stupidly I gave this and now and three hears.

1131
01:04:11.559 --> 01:04:14.719
If you're living your word, and I should have only

1132
01:04:14.719 --> 01:04:17.519
given a one, probably shouldn't give her any, but I

1133
01:04:17.599 --> 01:04:21.760
gave her one. I gave her all three and when

1134
01:04:21.840 --> 01:04:23.960
I rang up to find out what the outcome was,

1135
01:04:24.559 --> 01:04:26.719
she just said, oh, it's nothing. So what it is

1136
01:04:26.719 --> 01:04:29.000
that I think it's a cat? Okay, it's a cat?

1137
01:04:29.239 --> 01:04:31.159
Can I have my hairs? Back? Said, oh, now, I's

1138
01:04:31.159 --> 01:04:34.239
throwing them on the bead And I said, how do

1139
01:04:34.360 --> 01:04:37.519
you throb their hair? Said so I were very early

1140
01:04:37.559 --> 01:04:39.559
on and be very careful, and then he's said we

1141
01:04:39.559 --> 01:04:42.679
should do it. I then had I was lucky enough

1142
01:04:42.719 --> 01:04:46.159
to get the other point about that too. Microscopic hair

1143
01:04:46.199 --> 01:04:50.880
analysis has been discredited, highly disgrebuted by your FBI, the

1144
01:04:50.920 --> 01:04:55.880
oldest the FBI have been an unreliable method of doing

1145
01:04:55.920 --> 01:04:59.920
analysis for his But anyway, the other thing I found

1146
01:05:00.079 --> 01:05:02.679
actually a good idea to do. It's a your blind samples.

1147
01:05:02.800 --> 01:05:04.880
So if you do something like that, you don't tell

1148
01:05:04.920 --> 01:05:08.840
them what you got beforehand. Otherwise they just close down

1149
01:05:08.880 --> 01:05:11.960
on us. Okay, there's total contempt for what you're doing.

1150
01:05:12.440 --> 01:05:14.320
A lot of people try it up. You're doing that,

1151
01:05:14.760 --> 01:05:18.639
but it's really hard to get samples. I think in

1152
01:05:18.679 --> 01:05:20.719
the early days that was the here the only three

1153
01:05:20.760 --> 01:05:25.039
Orange chairs, which was an early day example. If you

1154
01:05:25.119 --> 01:05:27.159
want to have evidence, you've got to get it very

1155
01:05:27.159 --> 01:05:31.519
early on because with our ones. As they say they learn,

1156
01:05:32.119 --> 01:05:34.760
and we just to always say they as we were

1157
01:05:34.840 --> 01:05:38.679
learning from them, they were learning from us. And so

1158
01:05:38.880 --> 01:05:42.639
anything that we show curiosity in they would tend to

1159
01:05:42.679 --> 01:05:45.400
be more cautious with, particularly jungoni. But also do it

1160
01:05:45.599 --> 01:05:49.480
because you're doing a smart animal. They're not done. Don't

1161
01:05:49.519 --> 01:05:51.960
make a mistake of thinking they're just like something something,

1162
01:05:51.960 --> 01:05:54.559
whatever it is. These things here are quite smart and

1163
01:05:54.800 --> 01:05:57.480
they react to what you do. They react quite positively

1164
01:05:57.559 --> 01:06:01.719
to actions you take. We learned that if you do something,

1165
01:06:01.760 --> 01:06:04.400
you're going to do it early on. And probably the

1166
01:06:04.400 --> 01:06:06.800
other bit of advice I'll give to you American people

1167
01:06:07.000 --> 01:06:12.320
is we used to always use passive methods. Running around

1168
01:06:12.360 --> 01:06:15.800
the bush or torch is not a good idea because

1169
01:06:15.800 --> 01:06:18.320
they very quickly learned that a tortu or sorry, a

1170
01:06:18.400 --> 01:06:22.840
flashlight and will blind people, will blind them, and they

1171
01:06:22.840 --> 01:06:25.760
don't like being blinder because they have very sensitive night vision.

1172
01:06:26.320 --> 01:06:29.719
They learned that anything that looks like a reflector, that

1173
01:06:29.840 --> 01:06:34.320
means like a flashlight, reflector or in a camera flash unit,

1174
01:06:34.840 --> 01:06:38.760
anything silver, reflective, turn away and don't look at it

1175
01:06:38.800 --> 01:06:42.159
and move away from it. So they learn very quickly

1176
01:06:42.280 --> 01:06:46.159
to avoid things like that as I say, you've got

1177
01:06:46.199 --> 01:06:48.679
to get in early to do anything, and passive is

1178
01:06:48.719 --> 01:06:52.719
the only way to do it. That's why recording was good.

1179
01:06:52.880 --> 01:06:56.960
Audio recording in the early days, we used tape recorders,

1180
01:06:57.800 --> 01:07:01.119
and the problems with take recordation is that the batteries

1181
01:07:01.239 --> 01:07:04.639
die with temperature decrease, and you've got probably large problems

1182
01:07:04.639 --> 01:07:07.559
with temperature decreases, so as the temperature goes down in

1183
01:07:07.559 --> 01:07:10.920
the batteries drop out. The other problem, of course is sound.

1184
01:07:11.480 --> 01:07:14.920
I used to wrap ours in tape recording in glad

1185
01:07:14.920 --> 01:07:17.679
wrap in order to water prove it, and then in

1186
01:07:17.719 --> 01:07:21.559
a cloth around the outside of that to firmly insulate it,

1187
01:07:21.639 --> 01:07:24.840
and also to try and deaden any sound, and then

1188
01:07:24.880 --> 01:07:28.119
put it in a steel container and bury it in

1189
01:07:28.199 --> 01:07:32.000
the ground with an external microphone on the outside. That

1190
01:07:32.079 --> 01:07:33.880
was the Ultimately, that was the only way to try

1191
01:07:33.960 --> 01:07:37.079
and make a tape recorder. I'm doing about mechanical tape

1192
01:07:37.079 --> 01:07:42.440
recorder passive enough, but with the progression of technology over

1193
01:07:42.559 --> 01:07:45.079
time that we were doing this, we ended up having

1194
01:07:45.440 --> 01:07:48.440
things like and we call them solid state driver. Solid

1195
01:07:48.440 --> 01:07:52.000
state drivers. Now that there's no mechanical parts in that thing,

1196
01:07:52.039 --> 01:07:54.920
the certain doesn't produce any sound, and they're all economical

1197
01:07:55.039 --> 01:07:58.199
with electricity with power usage. So as soon as you

1198
01:07:58.239 --> 01:08:01.559
had things like those sort of record, it was brilled.

1199
01:08:01.800 --> 01:08:06.440
The problem was largely solved. Light is a problem, I said.

1200
01:08:06.719 --> 01:08:10.960
We used to use flashes, and the problem we found

1201
01:08:11.000 --> 01:08:14.440
out is even when we used automated flashes, the thing

1202
01:08:14.519 --> 01:08:17.520
was that they would recognize the reflector, they would see

1203
01:08:17.520 --> 01:08:20.680
the LED, so it's to tape over the LEDs. They

1204
01:08:20.720 --> 01:08:25.960
would hear the hum of the capacitors charging up any

1205
01:08:26.039 --> 01:08:27.880
number of things. So we always had to think in

1206
01:08:27.960 --> 01:08:32.359
terms of anything we did had to be passive. One

1207
01:08:32.399 --> 01:08:36.000
thing which I used was tracking was always a problem

1208
01:08:36.039 --> 01:08:39.359
handed track passively. And the way I got around that

1209
01:08:39.399 --> 01:08:43.800
particular problems. We're using cotton three, and I don't use

1210
01:08:44.279 --> 01:08:48.479
standard American Maine cotton thread. We use Chinese cotton three

1211
01:08:48.920 --> 01:08:51.720
because it's very weak and it will break very quickly.

1212
01:08:52.079 --> 01:08:54.319
And the cotton thread, I used to stretch it between

1213
01:08:54.880 --> 01:08:59.039
trees and then anything that passed through there would tell

1214
01:08:59.079 --> 01:09:01.119
me that something had moved through there during the night.

1215
01:09:02.000 --> 01:09:07.039
And by doing simple variations on having thread at different heights,

1216
01:09:07.479 --> 01:09:11.119
you can work out not only which something was going

1217
01:09:11.199 --> 01:09:13.520
through there, but you could work out what the height

1218
01:09:13.720 --> 01:09:17.479
was and to modify it even further. If you only

1219
01:09:17.520 --> 01:09:21.319
anchored one end of the thread when it went through

1220
01:09:21.359 --> 01:09:24.399
and picked up the thread, it would trail it. So

1221
01:09:24.520 --> 01:09:27.279
you then got the height of the animal. You've got

1222
01:09:27.319 --> 01:09:30.000
the fact that went through the then wiped it out,

1223
01:09:30.079 --> 01:09:33.079
and the direction it was going. So when we ended

1224
01:09:33.159 --> 01:09:36.039
up autly short period of dawn was trying to keep

1225
01:09:36.119 --> 01:09:38.439
track of all these threads. So you end up having

1226
01:09:38.439 --> 01:09:42.239
to different come of threads different couple for different days

1227
01:09:42.279 --> 01:09:45.039
or different weeks in order to differentiate between all the

1228
01:09:45.479 --> 01:09:48.399
thread we had. But it worked. Really was a passive.

1229
01:09:48.039 --> 01:09:50.840
Method of that's really smart. Yeah.

1230
01:09:50.880 --> 01:09:53.600
I think probably some people can take and learn from

1231
01:09:53.600 --> 01:09:56.960
that as well that are listening to this. That's super smart.

1232
01:09:57.840 --> 01:09:58.039
Yeah.

1233
01:09:58.079 --> 01:09:58.520
I love that.

1234
01:10:00.840 --> 01:10:03.479
The passage is definitely the only way to go. And

1235
01:10:03.560 --> 01:10:06.319
I said before, you've got to get in early because

1236
01:10:06.319 --> 01:10:08.760
they learn the same way that we do. I made

1237
01:10:08.800 --> 01:10:13.920
a list to characteristics that explain why these things aren't homins,

1238
01:10:14.159 --> 01:10:17.279
aren't humans? Why are misupious?

1239
01:10:17.279 --> 01:10:20.399
So I quick rundown if you like, yes please.

1240
01:10:20.399 --> 01:10:25.279
First of all, there's no anthropological archaeological evidence of hominians

1241
01:10:25.319 --> 01:10:28.960
in Australia. In other words, there's no evidence of humans

1242
01:10:29.000 --> 01:10:33.640
in Australia before the averages. So now Homer erectors blah

1243
01:10:33.640 --> 01:10:37.359
blah blah. You know, and it's integrated detail of the

1244
01:10:37.359 --> 01:10:39.399
book if you if you have the patience to go

1245
01:10:39.479 --> 01:10:42.640
through it. Or they have black claws instead of flat pint.

1246
01:10:43.079 --> 01:10:46.560
I've touched on that. The foot morphology. They've got three,

1247
01:10:46.720 --> 01:10:51.560
four and five toes, which makes them definitely odd. They

1248
01:10:51.600 --> 01:10:56.560
have visible canines things now they're also known as the

1249
01:10:56.600 --> 01:11:00.359
itees because they descend them from directly below the eye.

1250
01:11:00.560 --> 01:11:03.239
So if you know the canine separation, you have a

1251
01:11:03.279 --> 01:11:07.920
close approximation of the eye separation as well. Or we

1252
01:11:08.079 --> 01:11:11.479
can be used to confirm the photograph you've got of

1253
01:11:11.520 --> 01:11:15.880
the eye separation by measuring off the canine measurements. But

1254
01:11:16.319 --> 01:11:20.079
what's again, that's mention the book. They have long legs

1255
01:11:20.520 --> 01:11:24.560
and they take a long stride and consequently they're fast runners. Now,

1256
01:11:24.680 --> 01:11:30.399
like everything that's Austraya, Australia works on efficiency because if

1257
01:11:30.479 --> 01:11:33.800
you can't make it here, you're going to die. It's

1258
01:11:33.800 --> 01:11:37.000
the environment's too tough, so you can't waste energy. So

1259
01:11:37.159 --> 01:11:40.079
long strides means you gain it's slow, harder in the

1260
01:11:40.119 --> 01:11:43.560
effort that you're trailing to be distanced. I think there's

1261
01:11:43.600 --> 01:11:48.840
a different height and body masses with these things. And

1262
01:11:48.920 --> 01:11:51.119
also the kinetics. If you look at the the way

1263
01:11:51.199 --> 01:11:54.439
which they move, their motion is a lot more different

1264
01:11:54.479 --> 01:11:59.039
to human motion. They've got night vision, obviously. They have

1265
01:11:59.239 --> 01:12:03.560
red eyes. Secrete redoxin on the back of the retina

1266
01:12:03.960 --> 01:12:07.000
or the front of the retina, which increases the sensitivity

1267
01:12:07.159 --> 01:12:10.239
of the rods to light, which means I can see

1268
01:12:10.239 --> 01:12:14.279
in the dark. They have You might find this one surprising.

1269
01:12:14.319 --> 01:12:19.159
They have a vertically slip pupil, so like a cat's eye.

1270
01:12:19.079 --> 01:12:23.239
Now that's a while most people in their witnesses may

1271
01:12:23.279 --> 01:12:26.439
see it. They say they have black eyes. There's nothing

1272
01:12:26.560 --> 01:12:29.760
there like a bottomless pick. And there's the reason for that.

1273
01:12:29.960 --> 01:12:33.199
Not needs. They have black vertically slip eyes, which you

1274
01:12:33.359 --> 01:12:38.439
need for controlling the light very accurately in day and night.

1275
01:12:39.159 --> 01:12:41.239
It's a better lesson of doing it. And there's all

1276
01:12:41.279 --> 01:12:43.600
some things that we regard to hunting animals at night,

1277
01:12:43.920 --> 01:12:46.000
but we're going to have to read the book to

1278
01:12:46.000 --> 01:12:52.199
do that good. They also have they have a white scalaria.

1279
01:12:52.279 --> 01:12:54.720
Now with our eye, they have white around their pupils.

1280
01:12:55.560 --> 01:12:59.199
The reason why is that humans are social animal and

1281
01:12:59.520 --> 01:13:02.960
monkeys are an HR two and bigfoot is as well.

1282
01:13:03.239 --> 01:13:06.640
And they're social because having a white scalarre means that

1283
01:13:06.680 --> 01:13:09.520
you can tell what you're looking at when you move

1284
01:13:09.560 --> 01:13:11.760
your eye off to the sigh you see you're permanent

1285
01:13:11.840 --> 01:13:16.159
that it means what is taking your interest? Lease don't

1286
01:13:16.159 --> 01:13:19.039
have that, So the nice social animal, which makes a

1287
01:13:19.079 --> 01:13:23.279
lot of sense because then they tend to this solitary Also,

1288
01:13:23.359 --> 01:13:25.840
the white squaring gives away the position at night, I'll

1289
01:13:25.880 --> 01:13:29.520
be fou hunting. They breathe in sync with their movements,

1290
01:13:29.520 --> 01:13:32.920
and when they run, they're breathing is in out. That's

1291
01:13:32.960 --> 01:13:36.359
the same thing that kangaroos have, because doesn't make sense

1292
01:13:36.399 --> 01:13:39.399
if you're jumping in the bush. If you're landing on

1293
01:13:39.399 --> 01:13:43.399
the ground, you don't want to be breathing in. As

1294
01:13:43.439 --> 01:13:46.079
you're landing, you want to be exhaling, and the same

1295
01:13:46.119 --> 01:13:49.520
as when you take off, you want to be breathing in. Now,

1296
01:13:50.000 --> 01:13:54.600
these things tend to have a synchronized breathing pattern to them.

1297
01:13:54.920 --> 01:13:58.920
They also pant because the kangaroos, because they have trouble

1298
01:13:59.000 --> 01:14:02.800
trying to control their body temperature like a dog, they

1299
01:14:02.840 --> 01:14:06.039
have to rely up on panting. And these things, if

1300
01:14:06.039 --> 01:14:08.680
you chase them during the night time and you stress

1301
01:14:08.680 --> 01:14:11.039
them out, you'll hear them panting like a dog in

1302
01:14:11.039 --> 01:14:14.479
the bush. Now, I don't know many apes to do that.

1303
01:14:15.840 --> 01:14:19.560
They're also faculative quadrupeds, which means that they walk on

1304
01:14:19.680 --> 01:14:23.399
all four wings or four two wings and two arms

1305
01:14:23.880 --> 01:14:28.399
when they feel like it. Now we obligate bipins, which

1306
01:14:28.439 --> 01:14:31.159
means we're obligated to walk on two legs because it

1307
01:14:31.199 --> 01:14:35.199
doesn't make sense using our arms. These things are faculty bipeds.

1308
01:14:35.680 --> 01:14:38.079
They have a choice. They can run on two legs,

1309
01:14:38.119 --> 01:14:40.840
which they do most of the time because that tends

1310
01:14:40.880 --> 01:14:45.640
to be more efficient form. But quadruped. Ifveryoney goes super fast,

1311
01:14:45.880 --> 01:14:50.000
they get dropped to all fours and they build on. Yeah,

1312
01:14:50.600 --> 01:14:53.239
there's more to them. I can worry about it. Well,

1313
01:14:53.319 --> 01:14:55.920
the other things is going to tell you. Oh, they're

1314
01:14:56.000 --> 01:15:01.520
superhuman physical performances. They've got very They're very athletic, like kangaroos.

1315
01:15:01.600 --> 01:15:05.960
Kangaroos used to amaze the early settlers because they could

1316
01:15:06.239 --> 01:15:09.600
outrun the dogs that were set on them. But then

1317
01:15:09.680 --> 01:15:11.760
the dogs are trying and run them down and they'll

1318
01:15:11.840 --> 01:15:14.199
just keep on going. The dogs of the pant and water.

1319
01:15:14.680 --> 01:15:16.520
These things be up on the hill wave and doms

1320
01:15:16.520 --> 01:15:19.920
and it can't get As a classic example of one

1321
01:15:20.479 --> 01:15:26.159
of a kangaroo that ran for I can't remember six

1322
01:15:26.600 --> 01:15:31.279
eight kilometers five miles, and then the dogs corded it

1323
01:15:31.560 --> 01:15:36.279
on a peninsula and so rather than surrendering it killed it,

1324
01:15:36.399 --> 01:15:39.760
jumped into the water and swam for another two miles

1325
01:15:40.159 --> 01:15:42.560
and then turned it around because it wasn't yetting anywhere,

1326
01:15:42.760 --> 01:15:46.600
and came back before finally got killed. And when it

1327
01:15:46.680 --> 01:15:49.239
got killed, it puts back up against a tree to

1328
01:15:49.239 --> 01:15:52.520
protect us back from them and to tack from behind. Amazing.

1329
01:15:53.399 --> 01:15:57.119
Their body temperature is thirty percent lower them settles, so

1330
01:15:57.279 --> 01:16:00.800
their metabolism is very low. And once that's some very

1331
01:16:00.840 --> 01:16:05.720
Australian characteristic, very characteristic of marsupials, because low body temperature

1332
01:16:05.760 --> 01:16:09.079
means greater efficiency. You don't need to eat as much

1333
01:16:09.199 --> 01:16:12.960
food if you're burning less of it. So how I

1334
01:16:13.000 --> 01:16:16.199
achieved how I measured that was using a flur or

1335
01:16:17.000 --> 01:16:20.359
a simple flu already I use this, you get a

1336
01:16:20.479 --> 01:16:24.880
great scar reading from zero to one hundred, so it's

1337
01:16:24.920 --> 01:16:30.079
basically a percent. Stick it on the map, get color slurp.

1338
01:16:30.159 --> 01:16:33.000
I think I used and hot the hold of the

1339
01:16:33.039 --> 01:16:35.159
mouse over the pixel of your interident which in this

1340
01:16:35.279 --> 01:16:39.800
case was ahead the hottest part of the marsupial. And

1341
01:16:39.840 --> 01:16:43.279
then from that it says, and this was pixel was

1342
01:16:44.039 --> 01:16:47.000
eight point nine degrees hotter than the rest. And then

1343
01:16:47.079 --> 01:16:50.439
add the ambient temperature for whatever the outside temperature was,

1344
01:16:50.680 --> 01:16:53.359
and it gives you the body temperature at the surface

1345
01:16:54.159 --> 01:16:58.439
and in most cases here was about thirty years lower

1346
01:16:58.920 --> 01:17:02.520
than what was center would be. I used foxes and

1347
01:17:02.600 --> 01:17:06.319
rets as an example. You get measures thing once again,

1348
01:17:06.560 --> 01:17:11.319
you need to reasons and of course things like you've

1349
01:17:11.319 --> 01:17:16.239
got to absence of breasts. So sentules have breasts, maspos

1350
01:17:16.319 --> 01:17:20.640
don't because they free from nipples inside the masspium.

1351
01:17:24.039 --> 01:17:24.560
That is.

1352
01:17:25.800 --> 01:17:30.319
That's so there. That's great evidence for it being marsupial. Absolutely,

1353
01:17:30.319 --> 01:17:34.600
But what a conversation, Neil, My goodness. How can people

1354
01:17:34.960 --> 01:17:39.399
pick up a copy of Batfoot if they would like

1355
01:17:39.520 --> 01:17:45.720
to jump into all my godness, let's look real quick.

1356
01:17:46.039 --> 01:17:48.359
Seven hundred and fifteen pages.

1357
01:17:49.560 --> 01:17:54.840
Yeah, that way in Chlan. Then from the Amazon Amazons

1358
01:17:55.000 --> 01:17:57.600
the publishers website, but probably Amazon will be the best

1359
01:17:57.600 --> 01:18:01.640
way to do it because of the fact that we

1360
01:18:01.760 --> 01:18:05.720
printed originally in color. Got a Fiddler published. I want

1361
01:18:06.000 --> 01:18:10.479
color half decent order on decent paper and not rubbish.

1362
01:18:11.439 --> 01:18:13.159
He printed it that way, but it came out to

1363
01:18:13.199 --> 01:18:16.439
be very expensive and so the end result was that

1364
01:18:16.439 --> 01:18:19.920
we did a second edition, which is lower quality paper

1365
01:18:19.960 --> 01:18:22.159
and in black and white, which is good for the

1366
01:18:22.520 --> 01:18:26.039
what does it forms? The function? But it's said it's cheaper.

1367
01:18:26.560 --> 01:18:28.439
Now you make up your own mind. I think it's

1368
01:18:28.439 --> 01:18:31.479
worthwhile spending the extra money, but I think it's worthwhile

1369
01:18:31.520 --> 01:18:34.960
buying the color version. Doesn't make any difference in terms

1370
01:18:35.000 --> 01:18:37.800
of the Royalty's the same royalty. They're not pushing it

1371
01:18:37.880 --> 01:18:40.079
for that sake, but I think for your sake, and

1372
01:18:40.159 --> 01:18:42.159
you bet if you've got it, you've got the color version,

1373
01:18:42.560 --> 01:18:45.239
but it hasn't got the black and white. Okay for

1374
01:18:45.279 --> 01:18:45.600
that one.

1375
01:18:46.960 --> 01:18:51.880
If there are listeners, maybe even from over in Australia,

1376
01:18:52.520 --> 01:18:56.479
that have things that they would like to report, is

1377
01:18:56.520 --> 01:18:58.239
there a way that they can reach out to you?

1378
01:18:58.319 --> 01:19:01.720
Are you still actively taking its or no?

1379
01:19:01.800 --> 01:19:06.159
No? Since I retired, I still get reports, nowhere near

1380
01:19:06.199 --> 01:19:08.960
as many, but I'm not active in the field anymore.

1381
01:19:09.199 --> 01:19:12.359
I've accomplished everything I wanted to accomplish. I think I've

1382
01:19:12.439 --> 01:19:16.119
satisfied myself. I know everything about them. I'm absolutely white,

1383
01:19:16.239 --> 01:19:19.119
hundred percent certainly I know what they are and I

1384
01:19:19.199 --> 01:19:22.279
certainly know what they're not, and so there's not much

1385
01:19:22.359 --> 01:19:25.159
purpose of me continuing on. So now I haven't done anymore.

1386
01:19:25.439 --> 01:19:27.439
I haven't been doing any more research on that one.

1387
01:19:28.119 --> 01:19:30.439
Hopefully I've put out the call and the book for

1388
01:19:31.119 --> 01:19:34.600
someone undertake on the task. I would like Averages to

1389
01:19:34.640 --> 01:19:38.359
do it themselves, because they have a lot of stories

1390
01:19:38.399 --> 01:19:41.159
to tell, and now I will say anything, they won't

1391
01:19:41.199 --> 01:19:45.680
say anything because it's the bidden knowledge. It's knowledge that

1392
01:19:46.840 --> 01:19:48.720
you have to be an average you know, or you

1393
01:19:48.800 --> 01:19:52.399
have to be initiated, or whatever the excuse is. You

1394
01:19:52.439 --> 01:19:57.039
don't tell average people this information. So I would like

1395
01:19:57.079 --> 01:19:59.399
Averages to come out of the shell, and I like

1396
01:19:59.479 --> 01:20:03.159
them to actually right about this. I'll certainly get plenty

1397
01:20:03.199 --> 01:20:06.079
of support from me and I'm sure a lot of

1398
01:20:06.079 --> 01:20:07.079
other people as well.

1399
01:20:07.760 --> 01:20:12.000
Absolutely, I hope that does happen someday, And if listeners

1400
01:20:12.079 --> 01:20:15.279
do have things they would like to share, welcome, they

1401
01:20:15.359 --> 01:20:17.800
can always send me an email as well as a

1402
01:20:17.880 --> 01:20:19.399
society at gmail dot com.

1403
01:20:19.600 --> 01:20:19.880
Neil.

1404
01:20:20.079 --> 01:20:23.920
I feel this has been a very interesting conversation. I

1405
01:20:23.920 --> 01:20:27.800
think my listeners have learned a ton about Australia and

1406
01:20:28.039 --> 01:20:33.680
what is going on there with the Yowie, more specifically

1407
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the dou La Gal, the Quincin and the Jungity, And

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thank you for spending some time with us today and

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for sharing your years and years of research and investigation.

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Before we wrap this episode, I want to say something

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directly to a very specific group of listeners. If you're

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in the military, any branch or forces, and if you've

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seen something that no one can explain, or if you're

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01:20:58.920 --> 01:21:02.279
a national parkraying, a forestry worker who's been told to

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01:21:02.319 --> 01:21:05.640
stay quiet, or if you're a pilot who's seen something

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01:21:05.760 --> 01:21:08.680
strange down on the ground, or if you're with the

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FBI a federal agency, or working intelligence and you stumbled

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01:21:12.760 --> 01:21:15.560
upon something you're not allowed to talk about. And if

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01:21:15.600 --> 01:21:19.119
you're a firefighter, paramedic, or search and rescue responder who's

1420
01:21:19.159 --> 01:21:22.800
heard screams or found tracks that didn't make sense. If

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you're in the logging industry on a remote oil field,

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01:21:26.640 --> 01:21:29.680
or a trucker with government contracts and you've had something

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01:21:29.760 --> 01:21:33.159
happen that you've never told a soul. And if you're

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01:21:33.199 --> 01:21:37.079
a biologist, a wildlife specialist, or a field researcher under

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01:21:37.079 --> 01:21:40.439
contract who has found evidence you're not allowed to report.

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01:21:41.000 --> 01:21:43.479
If you're a pastor, a missionary, or someone on a

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01:21:43.479 --> 01:21:46.960
spiritual retreat and you saw something that shook your faith,

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or if you work in the shadows CIA, NSA or

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01:21:50.840 --> 01:21:54.199
anything with clearance and you've seen what the public hasn't,

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then I want to talk to you, even if it's anonymous.

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You can reach me at Bigfoot Society at gmail dot com.

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The world needs to hear what you've been forced to

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01:22:07.199 --> 01:22:13.039
carry alone, and you're not alone. You've got the story,

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We've got the mic. See you in the woods. Thank

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you for listening to this episode of the Bigfoot Society podcast.

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Every encounter we share reminds us that the world is

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bigger and stranger than we think, and that the truth

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01:22:26.000 --> 01:22:28.840
is often hiding just beyond the tree line. If you

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if you or someone you know has had a Bigfoot sighting. Please,

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01:22:53.600 --> 01:22:55.960
I'd love to hear from you, so email me at

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Bigfoot Society at gmail dot com and let's start the conversation.

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If you haven't gotten a chance yet, check out our

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membership community over at www dot Bigfoot Society podcast dot

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it's a place to connect with other people that are

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01:23:17.359 --> 01:23:20.159
into the Bigfoot subject as much as you are. Thanks

1455
01:23:20.199 --> 01:23:23.199
again for following along with the Bigfoot Society until next time.

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01:23:23.319 --> 01:23:26.039
Keep your eyes open, trust your gut, and never stop

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01:23:26.079 --> 01:23:28.199
asking what else might be out there? And see you

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in the woods.