Australia has 3 Bigfoot Types? | Neil Frost

0:00 You're listening to BIGFA Society, and I'm Jeremiah Byron. In this show, we go beyond the campfire stories to bring you first hand encounters from people who say they've seen something impossible. From backwoods trails and remote mountain haulers to quiet farms and crowded highways. The stories come from everywhere, and each one leaves us with more questions than answers. These are the voices of the people who've lived it. So settle in because today you'll hear another account that just might change the way you see the woods forever. So stay with us, all. Right, Big the Society that the privilege of talking to mister Neil Frost today. Neil Frost is an Australian educator, explorer and writer whose background in science, anthropology and engineering has taken him from the Blue Mountains of Australia to the highlands of Papua New Guinea. His lifelong curiosity about nature, culture in the unknown shapes his works and stories. Neil has written this book called Fat Foot Encounters with a du La Gal and it's an autobiographical journey of fifty plus years investigating Australia's three Marsupial enigmas, and I want to hold this again so you can see that is what is about seven hundred pages? Neil, It's intense. It's intense.

1:19 A lot of good stuff in this book. But welcome to the show. Neil. How are you doing today? Well? Thanks, yeah, absolutely, and thank you for being on the show right now. Over there in Australia, it's almost nine thirty in the morning. Over here in Iowa, it's about almost five thirty at night because we got to get that sixteen hour time difference to work. But I'm excited to talk to you today. So many things I didn't know about Australia. I thought Australia was just about the Yowie, but there's much much more going on with it. But Neil, is there anything else that you would want the audience to know about yourself? I as a teacher. I went to the university and did anthropology. I wanted to become an archaeologist originally, but the university I went to didn't have archaeologist. I had stuck with anthropology instead. I studied anthropology and then during during term I would get a hold of old cars and do them up and sell them to get money and use that money to go overseas to New Guinea to study the tribes in partner New Guinea throughout Micronesia Melanesia because I was in a stum and following my studies.

2:31 After I had done that, I then went and got a job. I got a job as a teacher because I was bonded. I had a scholarship, so I was committed to having to work for the part of the education. And let's set me out west and that's where I had an encounter many We built our own house. After I finished there, I came back to Sydney and the Blue Mountains. We bought a vacant block of land in the middle of nowhere and build our own two story wooden house. After we'd done that, we noticed all these weird things were going on with the bush around us. And it wasn't until about ten years later that we actually realized what it was. And of course it was the fact that we had the hearing man walking around down properly. That caused a lot of trauma for a family.

3:20 For my wife and I argue didn't know what we're dealing with, and that motivated me basically to do something about it. So I formed a group called the Octopus. The Octopus was a group that of local inhabitants who investigated the activities of these things in the bush and the object was simply to not need just report on them and get information about them, but also to help people who had encounters because, like us, many people have had these encounters are traumatized. They had a lot of trauma. They don't know who to turn to. People realizing very quickly that as soon as you mentioned the topic, you in trouble people as treated as a taboo topic and people start to ridicule you. So people who come, we say, become very self aware of this problem, and that they tend to self census, probably in the middle way of saying so I don't say anything. They go into becoming very introverted as a result of that. So that was our main issues, not even just to study these things and find out about it from an anthropological point of view and also from zoological point of view, but also to help out the people who had encounters because they were basically suffered.

4:34 So that's genuinely, that's fantastic. There's so many similarities to what we have to deal with in the US, and really North America when it comes down to it about people having to deal with trauma after having encounters with Bigfoot. And although these things we'll be talking about might be a little different, they might have some similarities as well, and we'll probably talk about that later, but I would think it so your first encounter that you had was way back in nineteen sixty six and the Blue Mountains, Is that correct? It was? I was originally I was a Scout carb actually, then I moved up into the Scouts and the age of about eleven, I think it was when that occurred in nineteen sixty six, and when I went into the Scouts, it happened that we had a seven day camp in the Blue Mountains, seven days, seven six nights, and they've been preparing for this for quite a long time. My Scout leader, one Scout master, was the next World War two prisoner walk, a very talented man, a very knowledgeable man.

5:42 You knew a lot about an Australian environment and what he didn't know, he went out of his way to find it so he would learn it from the Aborigines. So we had this camp was coming up, and other people prepared for the camp as well, So they had the senior people are rovers in the group who used to gave them on weekends, and they built a dam. Would you believe it was a curved and walled down. They were basically engineers. Some of the metallurgics sore very knowledgeable blokes and they built a curved vam and how to pressurize. All this is look for the area. I was an incredible bit of engineering for a remote area. So they built all these facilities in this incredibly remote area.

6:24 And it was a great valley, was what it was. And it's basically a gorge of six hundred meters deep. To get into it, it's a bit of an effort. You've got to walk down these goat tracks and traverse these very difficult sections, very dangerous sections. It wouldn't be allowed today, wouldn't be allowed to do what we did because the risk of getting injured or killed was very high. But anyway, we went to this area, we set up and it was the second or third night things started to happen. We started to hear the second night we started to hear how on the cliff above us, and of course to people in the tent I was in the older bloat started stirring. It's not trying to get us terrified. I was only eleven. They were sixteen to eighteen year olds, so they were working me up a little bit, and it was howling, and I can't describe it really much better than that. It was an unusual sound, very gutural, very loud, and coming six hundred meters above us.

7:23 The next the very next night, after we'd experienced that, the thing was down in the valley with us, and we had the campsite had a main campsite where nearly everybody was camped set for my patrol leader. He decided he wanted to have privacy and put us one hundred meters further out in the bush by ourselves. As a result of this thing came down into the campsite. It terrorized the main campsite for a considerable period of time. We could hear it, and then he discovered us and came over to our campsite, our tent. When it got to our tent, it started shaking things, so I would shake trees around it, shake the tent, make various noises, and it's probably early the early hours of the morning. Eventually, I so fatigued. After basically two nights have not been able to sleep like everyone else. I went to sleep and then I suddenly woke up, startled away by the sound of something growling in my ear. And what had happened was I had lain I was on the end of the tent and something came up and growled into my left ear, and of course I reacted to that.

8:35 I flew through the air and I landed further down the line on two other scouts. No one said anything, no one complained. It wasn't out of anyone. And this lasted until dawn. No one said a word until we got in the morning when anyone ran around to try and fire out with what it could have been. So that was the first encounter, very unusual, incredibly scary. As my neighbor next door so many years later, it was basically a testicle tidying experience. It was so frightening. It really was at on really high levels of gods. Is that notistic here? My goodness? That is Wow, What a way to start things off. Do you think that was then an actual doulagal that was messing with you guys?

9:23 At that time, it was either. A doulagal or quackin vicians are very nasty, they're very aggressive, and this thing was obviously very aggressive. That sort of leans towards a quakin. We didn't go outside and have a lyunics were too scared to do that obviously, I didn't know what we're dealing with anyway. And the other possibility is a dual Doulagals can be this Males can be aggressive, so it's either do male, a large male, or a quackin anyone a number of male them really, but I think possibly lean towards for that one. Gotcha, do you think we could take a few minutes maybe talking about what each of the three are the duel gal, the quinkin and the jungitity.

10:14 Well, sure we have. It's quite pam. We've got three different species here, three main species, so the awi is really not one generic species. It's a broad range. So we've got three tops and they're very distinct. So we have at the top end of the scale we have the quakin. The quakin is an Aviaginal name again from far north Queensland, from the rainforest up there. Now, the rainforests up there are extremely dense and imagined it's very hard to get through them, so you can hide anything up there, including World War two aircraft that crash there, and they can't never found again. They won't We have fun. So you have these quakin and they're about so it can be up to about eight nine foot tall. They're rather slender. They only have three digits, so you have three things, and they have three toes, and their foot is rather long and extended, so it's like a kangaroo foot.

11:08 So you have these quink and large orders. They tend to be very aggressive. The aberages were terrified on them because of the fact they used to eat aberaging, so particularly their favorite food calling to them were children. They used to like taking children. The second type is do the gars, the one that we had most experiences with and the one that we called fat foot du The guars are lesser height. They're up at six to seven foot a night. They tend to be they can be rather aggressive. But see, our one was a female, and we knew it was a female because an average elder told me. I won't go to know how he knew that, but he said that you've got a female. And there's a consequence that they're a lot more care and they're not as aggressive males. Can be aggressive. So the female was lucky having a female because we didn't have as many problems as could have had. They're four toed, and we called our one fat foot for the simple reason that he obviously sustained an injury to its foot. And you've got a cast. You have shown that it's really hard to get right here to be able to see this, but casting shadows on it. But you might be over notice on the side here, Yeah, that's here. There's a bulblege on the foot on the outside. It's the foot actually extends down the normally and it has a bull d on aside here. We suspect that's an injury. Afterwards you run around barefoot at high speed and then whils eventually get it into your foot. So, yes, that's what

12:40 it is, an injury. You can see up here there's a big tone. There's a compression ridge in the middle where the detail and the lesser tailors he off to the side, and there's four of them. Three of them have squeezed the sword on forming a ridge. And that's why it's a whole out there down the bottom here got the heel. The heel is separate to the main part of the body's heels. The gap fourteen rather large, and that's why we call it fat sort. The last time of the Jungues and now jung is the best way to describe and the absolutely is describe them politely as mischievous. But they're steaming little bastards, that's what they are.

13:23 They've got a really they've got a real attitude to them. They will still rob Damny's sabotage to do anything that they possibly can because they think it's funny. Sounds like European off I suppose the rich stories of those sorts of industries things. These things are about to three to fourth were high. They're more monkey like. I've seen that one. I've seen one of these as well. They that's probably the difference between us. The hype and then the skin, the fur and ig is more like a horse's fur. It's a very short fur. They have a yellow annuals around each ere, so that makes it very distinctive. I say about that's basically for a Junges. So they are three basic tops small, medium and large, aggressive, mischievous on the more scale.

14:16 Gotcha, And just to make sure I get this, and these are all included under the umbrella, of Yawi thean is that right? Yeah, because of the stories, isn't it. Yeah, you have to try and differentiate them from the stories, but yeah, they include one of the one number one. Okay, gotcha. So when let's say over here in America, if we hear Yawi stories from Australia, they could actually be about one of these three creatures. Okayty, you have to listen carefully the historic figure out which when they're talking about the main thing, of course, is they're all fast, so that makes it hard to differentiate.

14:57 They all move incredibly fast, like I think, like you're bigfoot. Forty kongers an hour is what we've clothed them at a high speed, so forty ks is pretty fast. They go. They run through bush, not around it. They just tear through the undergrowth. That's set to worry about it too much. Else about things the Oh, that's probably the main difference is what you hear. And then you've got stories of monkeys, monkey like things or key Some people confuse the jungity with children, so they think they're childlike because they have small feet. They didn't measure they have five toes, so they've got to do with five toes. So they can be confused with human children, and that's people confusing with generally speaking, So that's three basic tops.

15:47 When people have visual sightings of let's say the du La gal are they do they say it looks more like a human or some kind of ape or is it some weird mixture. In case of the dueling A, most people, of course gave to the thing that they're most for me with big foot, so million invariably let's say we're still big food. Let's see the most common description. So the very similar appearance to a bigfoot if you would, cool, but clearly they're not the same if you get down delft in the fine details, there are distinct differences between them. So in the case of our ones, we had four toes on Dulagal, I think of bigfoot typically has five, although the reports of different toes on TheInk out some Yeah.

16:40 So absolutely, yeah, yeah. Different regions of the US, for example, like Southeast Alaska, there's four toed ones that are reported, but for the most part, yeah, it would be five toes. Yeah, yep. Also is something I wanted to talk about when leaning the groundwork for what these three creatures are. So they're also looked at as marsupials. Right, No, I'm the only one. Basically he says they're marsupial. Everyone else say says that they're they're like bigfoot and they're placentals. Now humans are placentals, and from the bens of people are not too sure that means they have a placenta. So babies are born internally and a mother and they give birth to it.

17:30 That's a placental mars The babies are all the Joey's when they're born. They travel from the birth canal up the mother's belly through the fur and attached to the nipple and so they grow up externally too. That's why they called marsupials because it comes from the lat worm, the marsupiu, so they have an external worming white. So that's it. The difference between em way in which the babies. Award that's fascinating. So all three of these would be considered placentals then, is what it sounds like. Now, all three of these are regarded as marsupio, bigfoot, placental.

18:15 Are these three that we have Australia. I would argue the marsupiald but unfortunately most people here thinks that these things are also placentals like Bigfoot. So massa strands are the object because they look similar to Bigfoot. They are bigfoot, so therefore they're similar in every way. They have basically percent of animals, but the things that separate them from placentals. That makes them a bit more interesting. Probably the best thing to say about And it's like with us, we have flat pitt nails. The hominids like us, like apes and chimpanzees, also have flat pit nails. And that's how you tell we're homited with these things. No, they have black claws on their hands and feet. Now that by itself, that one particular thing, just by itself tells you they're not related to humans in any redoubt. So they got black claws, they're flat, they're not flat nailed, so they're something weird about them straight away.

19:25 So also quinkin does a weird thing where it'll it'll make loud thumping noises. Correct, Yeah, there's something. The thing about thumping is that's the characteristic of kangaroos. Kangaroos, I think it's forty nine out of fifty two species for memory of kangaroo foot thump and footsothing is used by them ultra sound, so you thump your foot and any other kangaroo in the area will hear that noise and think there's danger in the area and there's a predator around, or it might be some other reason. They're foot functual, so kangaroos typically do that kick and behavior. Now, the interesting thing is that the bulgal also footthumps, and that was the problem we'vesed to have with ours, is that it will come around at nighttime and in order to announce its presence by foot thumping, So in factly it's foot thumps kangaroos.

20:19 Foot thumps means there's a possible if them With kangaroos, I mean there's quite a number of them. But that's yet another one is the foot funt the junges. You don't foot plimt. They hit sticks, so they get sticks and they built things. They built trees or a stick, which I think what your bigfoot. Does also, yeah, absolutely, yeah, how far back to your historical records of these three are back in Australia. When Tall me historical records, you're talking about aboriginal history, viral histories. They're not written histories. So you're talking about European history, if you're talking about that sort of history.

21:00 But in terms of the Aborigines, are they their history of that? The oral history of these things goes back a long time. One of the classic things they will say to you is they were here before us, that they're not the same as us. I've heard that a few times. Oral histories are pretty much discounted too much. Now I'm originally anthropologist. I used to do is to rely a lot on oral histories. But one thing which in studying this which really amazed me were oral histories of past geological events in Australia. And one particular one was a group of Aboriginal ladies in Tasmania, which is down to the bottom of Australia, which is separate from Australia by the Bastraits. Has got water between them. Now, that separated twelve thousand years ago. Yet these Aboriginal ladies is to talk about their mothers distant. Their ancestral mothers used to walk from Tasmania to Victoria across this area on dry land. Now that's an example of a twelve thousand year old memory. There's quite a number of examples like that, but I found that fascinating. People say that I haven't possibly have it an old history like this sick it's been preserved over that period of time. I think that's one example at least where that's worst been the case.

22:22 Yeah, as an anthropologist, have you gotten have you had the opportunity to interview Aboriginals about stories regarding these from their oral history. Yeah. You know, when we originally had our first encounter here at our house and we were quite terrified about it, we started to try and find people who would be able to help us, and in the first twenty four to forty eight hours we knew and known it. So we mentioned that a few friends and basically they looked at sideways and say what's wrong or what drugs you're on? So we really that wasn't a line to pursue. We then thought about using our name. Our neighbor was a bike an x com. He was a very tough men and he was really good. We're glad we spoke to him because he was prepared to give us physical support and backup on us. But the Aborigines when we asked them, because we're teachers, we went to the Partner of Educations Foke to amage or consultants, and there were always a little bit shy about talking about it. And we said to them, I'm like to talk to you about They what are you talking about? Talking about the ye? I said, what do you mean? I said to hairy man? And they said, okay, what do you know about the hairy man?

23:39 I said, they've got red eyes and they say, okay, what else do you now? I said, they run very fast. All right, we'll talk to you. So you've got to pass the test. You've got to should be able to past the tests before we get to help out on really that stage. So the information they had, the guy that we mainly relied on, the unal Merv. MERV was regarded as the hour expert in average or society down the South coast. In yourself, well, murder you everything like when we first had this problem, and when we spoke to MERV, MERV said, you've recently built a house, have you? We said, yes, we have. You know this and he said there are plenty of tracks around your land when you built. I said yes, there were. Okay, did you build your house across any of these tracks? Yes? We did.

24:34 He said, tell me how far from the swamp, are you? Said about forty meters before he made this on the swamp and he said, after a lengthy process. And then I said do you have your children? And I said yes. He said what ages are there? And I said there it was two and a half and six months. I can't remember exactly, but they were very young kid and I said a male and female. And then MERV said to him this is very important. He said, have you ever lost any children's clothing? Said? What do you mean lost children's clothing? Said, I mean from the clothes line.

25:14 He put clothes out at not to dry and to come back and they're not there. I said no, but I tell you what, I have found children's clothing in the swamp. And he said, there you go. You've got a female straight up. And the reason he's argument I have to question him afterwards why that was the case. He said, because with Dulaga, they'd like to teach their joys what humans are like and various other things like normal parents do. So he said, we're going females will go and steal things like clothing from the clothesline and take it to the Joe's and let them sniff it and basically tell them this sort of human smells like it, so this is pretty amazing. So that he was telling us all these sort of stories and MERV said to me, this is very worrying. You need to be careful now because it means you've got my dollargo old the area.

26:06 And he says, they take children. I said, you're kidding me. He said, no, they will take children. And I said what to eat and he said, we'll put it this way. He said, you might lose a child during the night, and the chances say he probably won't see it again. And then was really frightened. So I said, how do you know, Morve, how do you know all this stuff? And he said to me, back in the forty years ago or something of thirty years ago, he said, I used to take Aboriginal children out into the bush to hide them because we had a bad practice here in Australia of taking children. The government had practice of taking children away from their parents, the same way that I think with America with the Indians, they used to take the children away and put them in foster homes and bring them up as wifes. So he said, we used to take our kids out in the middle of the bush to hide them from the govern men. And he said, on one occasion in particular, we were all the bloke because of the men who used to mainly do that.

27:07 The men would be sitting around a campfire and the children be playing in the light at nighttime. And he said, one night we had a doula came into the campsite very fast, picked up a child and kept on going. He says, says that all the men instinctively went and grabbed their weapons and pursued after it. And he said, apart from the fact the king was screaming away, they followed it during the night until dawn. He said it was a long process. And when they got at dawn, they came to an area which was a big clearing, and he said, you could hear the door they go off in the distance. So all the men formed a line, and we formed a line across the clearing, and we all raised our spears and shook them, which he said, it tells them that we're going to go to war with you. That was a sign for going to war.

27:54 So he said, what happened then was the child. It came out in the clearing. He put the child down and walked back and we got the kid back. So that's how I don't know. I thought that is amazing. But there's plenty of stories. You have stories in European women who wrote their autobiographies too, And the one woman in ageen forties wrote a story about she read and how bad the average women were. They weren't very good mothers, she said, because you'd have she said, you would go into a camp and it's an eighteen forties said you're there'll be an average on kids plan and then you'll come back a few weeks or a month later or two months or whatever it was. And one of the kids had been gone, So what ever happened to this kid?

28:37 And the mothers would say a bouleaguard took it, or whatever the name of the local hairy man was for that area. And this woman in particular, Elizabeth, whatever it was, she said, these women were very bad mothers because they would lose their children and then blame it on something like here a magical evil spirit took their kids. It's actually said I think it is, because they said you don't look after their kids. And there's other examples of stories like that too, But to that one that's one that sticks in my mind about how badly they think they treat them. Wow. So it's a thing it's taken very serious in the cultures over there.

29:21 It sounds like even today, even today in the Northern Territory, for example, you've got cases where a lot of people still live in traditional for a variety of reasons of the tradition. And he said, the usual arrangement is you have a campfire in the middle. If you haven't got a building, you have a campfire in the middle of the clearing. You clear a long way around the us to say, you have the children, young children on the inner circle, followed by the women on the immediate circle, and then the men on the outer certain outside of that, you have then forty four gallon drums, metal drums. And they had put lugs in it and burned them. They said, these are The common name up there for them is they have these large logs, and they call them all nighters because they burn all night. And the thing is the light kicks them away. And the thin interesting thing about light is it's like a moth. A light does two things with In particular, it attracts them through the sight because they see a light and that this is they're dying and find out why. Ideas, they'll come and have a look and they'll stare and just observe, but they won't go any closer because while the lights are there, means they're blinded because they're primarily not to a primarily not to I have night vision which is very badly wiped out. They start staring at a burning fire, so the lights in particular have it. I double sword. And that was the first bit of advice you were given by the Paramount of Aboriginal Land Council when we had

30:52 a problem. Was the guy said to the average guy said to me, you're going to laugh at this. He said, we spoke to the average land council last night and got the advice. He said, the decisions out. Half the men decided that you turn all your lights off and the others turn all your lights on. So that was typical because it is a double sword. But they are very light sensitive because they're notturnable, and you tend to have a problem with it. So that's what happens with the camping. I always give advice to people who had a good ergo around the house. Is the best thing you can do is clear around the house and then put motion sensing lights on each corner of the house when they come on the blind to and it will keep them away for a short period of time. Because what happens, because they're very intelligent, they're not stupid, is that they learn, and they learn very quickly, and the end result of that is that they'll find some way of getting around the problem, and that can involve say, stalking, using trees as cover, or in the case of a up her surgeon and a trauma neural surgeon, he said at his place that they had learned to travel along the edge of the wall. So he had these lights on the eaves overhead, and he said they would travel along the eaves of his house to get to his door to look at him or through his window to see what he was doing at two o'clock in the morning, and yew what he was doing. He was studying through

32:22 his latest degree. So he said to me, how these things coming around? But they learned to do that junge just to jump to a different junge. It, on the other hand, are more destructive. What they do is that if they find emotion sensing lights, they'll go out of their way to deactivate them. With our case here, they started off by pushing the lights down to the ground so they would light the air, and then later on they went to getting a stick and ramming it in through the passive infrared sensor woodling it around until it was totally demolished, so they do it was all. The other thing they did too was disconnect to power. See, this thing is particularly things like what they do is they're in the bush day and night. Mervetold us that don't think they're not around during the day. So during the day they're sitting there and you're putting up the motion sensing lights, and they're watching what you're doing, and they're watching very closely, and they realize that whatever that thing is on the side of it's hanging down there is an important component, and they'll go and investigate and they'll muck around with it and they'll find out that by doing that will stop the lights from working.

33:32 Ikness, there's so many similarities, it's wild between what we're experiencing over here what you all have experienced over there. Something that is for a second, yes, go ahead, Yeah, it's. An important, very important point because that's what people say all the time. The similarity is the behaviors, in particular between Yawi, the three types of Yao and the American bigfoot are so close they must be the same animal, but they're not. They just have the same behaviors, which perups. You'll get onto a more depth later on, but that's an important point you mentioned.

34:12 It is very I remember reading through your book and I was like, this, it's very weird because yeah, as you just stated, it doesn't look the same, like it's different, but it acts similar. Do you guys get reports of there being some people over here report there being a form of telepathic communication. Is that anything that's reported between these three and humans over there? No, but no not Some people talk about it, but not me. The main thing is I think that they're so smart. That's what they speed telepathy, because if you're walking towards the camera and they know what a camera is, they run away. It's they're actually communicating to you. Used to have them communicate back to us. For example, fat Foot used to go mook, which I think was warning because one time I went back to it and you got to set and yielded back at me. And then the third time I had to go back as well as I could, and she'd just below at me. Wow. Yeah, telepathic, But I think they rely pretty heavily still on voice okay, communicate.

35:28 But their thing is that they've learned things like I'll have a very strong understanding of how people work. One of my favorite things with fat Foot was and with new people who come into the area, was that they would break a branch off of trees. You have a large branch, larger under branch, and put the hand on it and just break it off because very powerful. And then everybody who heard who hears this would say, there's something wrong with that sound. You think about it. Then if you thought about the will you realize what it is. You didn't hear the branch hit the ground. You just hear the branch and then silence, and then you put it two and two together and you go, that was a deliberate branch being broken off. Now that's missing with your mind. They do things like that. Another example might be, for example, if you're tracking one they will throw a branch or a rock in front of it the other thing, and then you go back to the front, and then they'll turn around and go the opposite way. It's a pretty simple one.

36:32 But it's so similar, Neil, it's crazy. The behavior is very similar. I can't get over they're both intelligent. That's the reason why. Yeah. Absolutely, over the years, have you had any visual sightings yourself of any of the three? Yeah, I had a really good date on side, you know, and Jungby, which I drew a picture of and it's in the book. It turned out that there was another daytime signing by a woman one hundred and fifty years ago, and our two descriptions matched. That was the one with the face so much humans like face, but it has two yellow wings around the eyes, so daylight savings. I've had them with fat Foot in the early days, mainly because fat Foot in the early days, I didn't realize what our limitations were, and we didn't realize what early limitations were either, so we had a greater chance of having a visual encounter. As the days, weeks, and months and years went by, the chances of having an encounter diminished rapidly. The only thing is that recently see fat Foot finally died because I made predictions about her death several times. She finally died in February two thousand and twenty three and the reason why she die. I'm sure she died on that occasion because I had thought she'd prophesized to die earlier. It was because of that. One night we had some foot thumping, but I listened to

38:04 it was in the house and I thought, I said to Sanding, this footthumping is very soft. It's almost pathetic, like it's struggling to do it. And then after that we never saw fat foot ever again, so I think she was coming up to say goodbye. So there's too much detail here to try and cover everything. But in the case of the foot thumping, what we would do we had to respond. So when she need to do the foot pump like this, and then if you do it every minute really well, if I didn't respond, she would keep on doing that all night. And the response had to be, in our case, was turning the outside light on and off three times clock it off and then she would stop doing it, because that was a single to earth. I've heard what you've said, and I'm not coming outside because we used to go out and play with her. That was the main thing with the using signals there something else I was going to tell you, not for lover them.

39:02 I think it's a good thing you alluded to. It is that. In this book there there's so much detail. We're not going to cover even a fraction of it in this interview. There is so much information in this book. I really recommend that the listeners pick up a copy of it, and I'll have how to do that in the description. But it's just it's an incredible book. You'll learn a lot about what's going on over there in Australia that these three creatures there. Are they only found in Australia or are they found in other places as well in the region. I had one researcher that I respect from any city saw on the New gin which makes sense because New Guinea was twelve thousand years ago. Then it was attached to Australia at the Queensland though attached Tasmanias say, there's no reason why they shouldn't have gone into New Guinea.

39:57 The any difference might be effect at least is a very heat sensitive. They don't like hot weather, probably like your bigfoot. They like to live in high mountains and cooler areas. That's why they live in a great dividing range here, because they go down the plains it's not a nice thing for them. They prefer to be to get cool. Whether there are other places they have ranges like for example, Quinking. Because of their size and because their rainforests it seems like they're rainforests. Animals only really find them on the East coast of Australia and the mountain ranges do all. They are found from Western Australia, Eastern Australia. They're basically everywhere in the same with jung So there are certain limitations with them. But yeah, who does it's there to put it?

40:47 Do you have any favorite investigations that come to mind over the years where you've been brought into trying to figure out what's happening with or maybe talking to a person that's having interactions with any of the three that we're talking about today. Yeah, once again, it's so meny because we have to have is the octopus who would have reports probably three a week? Wow, coming in there wasn't any shortage of people used to say, how can you have three a week? These things? First all, they don't exist, and secondly they have so many reports on them. I see these people I don't know each other, they just report to they're reported to members of the Octopus, and the octopus members ring me up and say this is what happened last night.

41:31 I'd hop in the car or drive down and I did it for you, the pullbuckers, because half the time they absolutely terrified that. For example, I think it was example was ald woman who went outside and she turned on the light and there was a big fellow hearing men standing there, and she said she could see it piece. She was absolutely terrified by the whole roses. There were other reports too that there's no end to them. My favorite one probably is the one that happened to me in the early days, or quite a number of one, but one was when I was out living in the bush. I was out, we had in sip station fifteen thousand acres, no one around it. And one night has come back from my holidays and I came back and I found that my pigeon Cooper, which I had built underneath the water tank, all the pigeons were dead because the water tank had collapsed for some reason and killed the burns, and something got out and the whole area was not So I spoke to Ned, the farmer, and I said, look, then he can do something about the water supply. We haven't got any water again. So then with a good bloke he went and border a brand new concrete tank and came with a bobcap next morning and cleared the area, got rid of water robe which she put a brand new water tank in and then carted some water from in town in the filled up our water tanks. Thanks then rap Bloat. That night, I was working up approaching

43:02 midnight to the sound of something outside. Now that this house was a double brick house, it was a farmhouse. It's built solidly, shall we say, and it was heat out and various other things, very high ceilings and it's still I could hear it through the bricks. I thought, whatever this is me and I didn't realize had made the connection. And then then I heard footsteps on the wooden veranda. Now the footsteps were very heavy because the floorboards, which were pretty solid, the hardwood floorboards started to creek. Now they normally didn't creak at all, they would have any creek. And then the next sound is the sound like whatever it was coming up to my windown. So I slid my way self up against the windock and I was sleeping on the floor. And then gradually sat up in bed. And as soon as I did this, and took off whatever it was and ran across the veranda into the paddocks. As a result of that, I thought Jesus sounded really scary, like it was a big person because they were definitely on two legs. It wasn't a sheep or anything like that. So I ran to the kitchen, turned every light on. I drew out two kitchen knives and held them, and then ran the manual exchange to ring up. When I spoke to one of my students and said, get it when I have to hear something going on. I need some help now. So I went and stood out in the paddic with two

44:34 knives with all the lights on, just kept turning around and make sure nothing was sneaking up on me. And eventually the other teachers arrived and relieved me. And then when they put their cars around around where we were and turned the high beams on, all we could see these muddy footprints going up onto the veranda and then down off the other side. I once again, at that stage, I wasn't aware of these things, and it wasn't yellow you are aware. I was. I still thought maybe this is an intruder because they were footprints. We're footprints, but they were still footprints. And I went and spoke to all the people in the town. I want to go to the pub. There's nothing else to do. We get to the pub, nothing to do, and all day to do it.

45:16 And so I'd go into the go to the pub and talk to them. And the people who talk most about it were the truck drivers. The truck drivers would say, and we're driving along, these are the areas you don't go through, because he said I would run across in front of the trucks during the night. I said, we do a dash as big area thing. We'll just built across in front of the trucks. Or were they to get out and turn around and stop standing behind them, or they're sleep in the truck and then something would grab hole of the truck. Is that try and move alund you be rigged and they would shake to the truck were running. These were the quite common things that started to make you say there's something I need to invest thing a bit more so there were that was probably one that was stuck out pretty well. Probably the ultimate scary one for me was one night after and my neighbor, my bike and neighbor had been out chasing fat Foot through the scrub and we got back about midnight and we were sitting on the veranda and he said, look, I'm going to have to go to bed because I'm going to go to work and start working the morning, and said i'll see you later. I sat up by myself and I thought, I'm going to I'm going to sit down here. I'm going to test fat foots scammer in terms of how long it can put out. The moon's easier. So I moved the table up against the edge of the veranda in the moonlight, and the chair when aside. I packed smokes, six pack of beer, put

46:46 on the table and just sat me. So I had a smoke and had a beer. And this went on for quite a while, and there's times going by I'm thinking nothing much is going to happen here, So get able to drag it further across into the moonlight so they could see me clearly. And then eventually, after this really long period of doing this thing, fat Foot spat the dummy and she got up and she shook these trees. Now I don't know if for me were austrange trees at the harbors and allowed me to a solid trees. And this was only an eight inch diameter tree. It was like a pine tree. It was eight inches diameter, but very solid. And in the moonlight I could see this strange cook tree whipping through a nineteen degree arc like this, and then it moved across to another one and did the same, and then it kept them both together.

47:36 It must have had been running around pushing all the trees to keep the motion up amongst the whole lot of them. And then it stormed off down into the valley, and all the dogs erupted. So I went down to the swamp to try and encourage them and say I'm siding. Then stirred up late that she wouldn't come back. She just spat it and we could hear with the dog's bark and down the valley for the next lie over ten minutes. But just emphasize how strong this animal was rely strong to be able to do that to the trees, because next morning, when I went to the trees, you can see where you had been pushing on a tree. But I put my weight behind it, I can barely do it. If I started rocking it, I could move it up and nowhere knew what fat Foot could. I thought, that's a scary animal.

48:24 That is in. That. Fuck it was me after that. Things like that scared me so much. I used to carry a tomahawk down the back of my trousers and there you go, go out your how he's hunting of the night time. And then even saying he was a stir he would say, now when you got to trump tomahawk down the back here trousers for I said, okay, we need it and we need self defin. He said, you're wasting your time, absolutely wasting your time, because if you use that that tomahawk on fat Foot, all you're going to do is get a cranky. You're better off in that case, then use the tom a hawk on yourself. Beare will be a lot quicker and a lot less painful.

49:06 Oh yeah, oh my goodness. Has there have there ever been any videos taken of bat Foot over the years? Yeah? Yeah, the in some page two I think over the book, there's a black white photograph. I made my own game camera, because back in those days you couldn't get a game camera, so he had to make he had to make your own. If you want to one, So I made one using a film camera, high speed film car, stardom motor, the solo word off that connect to the cable release onto the end of that a car battery, a passive in for red sensor, and some flood legs. So what happened is anything went through the standard building of the passive in for red, it would set off the lights and then it will set off the car solo on stardom motor. You'll push the cable and take one photograph per night and doing animation. Your photograph of fat foot space and that's what's cover there is based on that photograph. Is that's where it came from.

50:08 I to hear it's a pretty crude photo. People say, actually battle than that. I said, I'm going to get your own. Exactly. You can go get to your ound. That's awesome. So we've alluded to it a few times. Do you have any thoughts about the behavior of these three being so similar to what's reported with the behavior of the bigfoot in North America? Because they're all intelligent and thinking. They all had in common like us is they've got two hands, they've got to highly develop the brain whatever it is, even a reasonable brain. They walk on two legs. That's the basic answer because in having two hands, it means the hands are being freed from quadruped from walking on four walking on two biped and the two hands are then used to manipulate, which means they can use tools, means that they can basically do the same as what we can do.

51:11 So they because they're intelligent, because of the fact that they have the tools, physical ability to do it, to do complex tasks. And that's probably the main reason why you would say that the same. The other reason is what's called convergence in nature. A lot of animals that are not biologically related. So for example, you're flying squirrel and our sugar glider, you have a little bit they have pretty simply to each other. But ones are massiupial and ones are placential. Ones in North America, ones in Australia, So there are opposite sides of the planet. They're being separated from each other for who knows how many millions and years, but they still have the same physical characteristics.

52:01 The more importantly, they also have the same behavioral character that they behave almost identically. I did that in the book. I wrote it all the characteristics for flying squirrel and then all the characteristics of sugar waders, and did that well other things like the files seen in dogs. It's converging evolution. If an animal lives in the same environment as some animal for a long enough period of time, they will both eventually develop or evolve techniques or physical characteristics to make them cope in that environment. So that's basically the reason why they look very similar while they behaviors similar. That's a simil answer.

52:44 It's extremely interesting. A few my listeners might be wondering, is there a place to. Is arctopus? Is it still a running organization, and is there a place to like how we have with the BFROC reports that are given, Is there a public way that people can see the reports or is it more that the reports were taken and they're not really in a public forum. It is a closed network. Okay, so when it happened, we didn't share it with anybody. A lot of them, but a number of these forums do it to click data information squat stories, and they tend to become a little bit contentious over a period of time because people have disagreements. In the case of the octopus was very congenial.

53:41 There were never any problems because people would talk to each other rather than The deadliest thing, in my opinion, is electronic communication. I mean Apple and the iPhone is a lot demensiful. It's physical. Face to face communication is the important way. So I believe in the old fashioned methods of communicating, there have less problems. You don't have arguments. Everything is a lot smooth to operate, and that's how we operated with the octopus. So we get people ringing up. And people did it a bit for simple reason, not that they want to fame well, they wanted to have a see how many hits they got on the website.

54:22 They did it because they knew that what they were doing was making a difference. It was making a difference to some people's lives in some cases because they're lived through the same problem, and so by doing this was making life easier for those full bastards. And also it was they felt that the research being carried out was ethical. And a lot of ethical issues with some of these groups. Some of them want to I don't approve of groups that want to go out and blow them away with a gun to just simply say they can prove it we had that with the police here. We once again we stop. We had the police here. We got them in the early stages because we were very scared that no one would believe us, and they were particularly were very scared when MERV told us that when your children could go missing. Now, I don't know how for me any of your Americans are with the classic Australian case of the dingo taking a child's baby, that there was a case here. There was a case here, so.

55:28 I can comment on. So I would say a guest talking for the American culture. The most that we know about that is because it was reference in Seinfeld back in the nineties. Anyway, you know what, I'm Dinga took a child and the woman, the mother said it wasn't her, it was Dinga, came into the tent and took a baby. They locked her up. Wow, they locked her and that was the evidence that we were an evidence to it. And then they claimed that she must have killed the baby on circumstantial evidence. And then years later when she was acquitted, they found out when DNA got more sophisticated, they found out that the blood sandals they had didn't match various other things, and it wasn't. It wasn't her fault. It was she wasn't the cause of the problem. That scarce a bit, so we thought that you need to be a little bit careful with things like that.

56:24 Absolutely, no, that makes sense. You're walking on thin ice. That were It was the fact. That we turned to the get the police to help us. In the early stages we had the Aborigines when we needed we thought, maybe we need the police. You can imagine the police response to us saying we've got a yabby. You can probably imagine what it would have been like. They didn't believe. And so we had a procession of people coming down to the to our house to experience it. I had one bloke who was particularly interesting because he had a few encounters and he thought there's something in this. And then one night, these last night down there, he came with me down to the back and I said, it's over there. You might be able to hear it, and then you could hear noises or whatever. And I said to him, look, I'm going to go and wander over and have a chat to it. You're welcome to come.

57:19 I think you'll be right as long as you come quietly and you can experience his first hand. And he said to me, now, there's no way you're going to get me over there. And I'm packing a gun. He said, I'm not going over there under any circumstances. So with the police, that was one in one of the incidents, and that they all experienced the standard ridicule. So back at the police station they had to wear cartoons put up on the wall saying about how's blah blah blah, and so it was quite traumatic for them too. But then we had the sergeant of police a few things and he checked out the eyes. I had a photograph of the eyes and he looked at I said, it's a fox, mate. I said, no problem, here's the photograph, there's the camera. I took it on. There's a chair you the constable going and figure it out yourself. And then after about ten minutes and I was swearing, we came back and said this thing is six foot tall.

58:14 I said it's right. He said what is this thing? I said, can you tell me? So we had that and then the police switched over their attitude. It became we're going to blow it away. So then they came in and said we're going to have a steakout and they came in with high powered rifles and Wollway kick bullets and all these sorts of nasty things. And they came into a house and I said, and what are you doing? They said, we're going to shoot this thing. I said, no, you're not. I said, and you're not going to shoot this thing for the sake of but we don't need to prove it. And he says, he said, don't you want this problem sold? Yeah, but not by killing the thing. This thing's really smart and it's not worth killing. You're not going to do it, And so my life. I went and had an emergency meeting in the bedroom and then came back after after a while, because we decided we had big enough trouble trying to shoot it with a camera, let n then trying to shoot it with a gun. So we thought, go along with this thing. So we told the police that we weren't going to cooperate and it was up to them what they did. So they went out there and they ended up talking to all the neighbors around here and what they came back and said, I don't know what's going on down here, but got a lot of support in this value. He was there all Optimus members that the reasonable. But when I was to thinks some stuff on here, I think I could be here for all to day. So I think all quits of that stature.

59:33 So the area where you had of the fat Foot encounters, even though fat Foot is not no longer with us, do you think there's still interactions with Duela gals that happened in that same area. It's the reason is because on the first of December last year, at five past ten, I had a daylight signing of Dula about fifty meters away to the north of our use scratching a tree out. Now, that was, as we call it jokingly here son of fat Foot. We had there was a date on up so there. So that is years we when we had fat Foot around and very active. In the early days, we'd have a lot of the neighbors involved in suppose you call it community watch. So when we'll be outside, other neighbors would be as well. And I get telephone calls the next day. And what happened was one night and one morning I I got a phone call from a neighbor up the road and said, I saw you and I last night outside. Yeah, we hunted. He said, yeah, also what we do it frequently. And he said, you know you're missed her. I said, no, you didn't. He said, yes you did. And I said, okay, why did we miss fat Foot? And he said we go. I saw you following her down heading down to the swamp, and she was up here at the top near the place, standing behind a tree, turning looking at me and looking at YouTube down the back. So that we there's attle wings two and it turned out we thought there were three.

1:01:04 We thought that she had understanding with Joey's little ones that she was bringing up as well. There's he had clearly Moratu nature abhors a vacuum, so whenever something leaves us moves in behind. So when fat Foot was getting weaker, and that was happening for the last decade or so, notice of the weaker, which I recognized, we had Jungity moving in behind. So we had increased in Jungity activity as soon as fat Foot start a getting weaker, because obviously fat Foot, being the large, powerful woman that she'd be in a matriarch, she would defend her territory and included it from Jungenny. And as soon as she wasn't up for the scraps that junge Ny moved in. So it's a standard thing. I mean, had a lot of examples that are around in the mountains where you have, for a period of time we have a dominant male female whatever quintin judging you or whether it's and then things seem to change and then different characteristics, different behaviors appear, and you get different types of silents. So it's a constant style of flocks. You get it happens, must have a Neigbhod nature anyway, that's behavior.

1:02:23 I can't wait until this episode is released, so it'll be very interesting to see what this brings in, because this is a whole new world of things. When I was reading your book the first time, I was like, this is all incredible. I can't believe. I really haven't heard any of this over here in North America, especially the US. We have a focus right now on trying to break the genetic code of the Bigfoot. Is there anything like that going on over in Australia with these three creatures as well? Yeah, we were charged this same thing here. Of course, it's in the book as well. I talked about DNA and our attempts to try and do that. We actually got a hold of three hair samples from a barbed wire fence down on the inch of our property. As a fact, if we can see them with the barb and you can see these three orange airs coming out of the wire. Now why orange is significance because orange is an adaptation, genetic adaptation to low light levels. Orange hair allows more light to travel through the hair to the skin produce violamin D. So only thing with orange hair tends to be come from a low light environment. Anyway, we know these three orange airs, and at that time, back on the early nineties, DNA was in its infancy infancy, and we couldn't find anyone who would analyze it for us.

1:03:49 And the closest we came to was biological hair analysis or microscopic hair analysis by looking at the scales on the hair as they can untill what time of analytic isn't So he thought, oh, we'll give that a game. So stupidly I gave this and now and three hears. If you're living your word, and I should have only given a one, probably shouldn't give her any, but I gave her one. I gave her all three and when I rang up to find out what the outcome was, she just said, oh, it's nothing. So what it is that I think it's a cat? Okay, it's a cat? Can I have my hairs? Back? Said, oh, now, I's throwing them on the bead And I said, how do you throb their hair? Said so I were very early on and be very careful, and then he's said we should do it. I then had I was lucky enough to get the other point about that too. Microscopic hair analysis has been discredited, highly disgrebuted by your FBI, the oldest the FBI have been an unreliable method of doing analysis for his But anyway, the other thing I found actually a good idea to do. It's a your blind samples.

1:05:02 So if you do something like that, you don't tell them what you got beforehand. Otherwise they just close down on us. Okay, there's total contempt for what you're doing. A lot of people try it up. You're doing that, but it's really hard to get samples. I think in the early days that was the here the only three Orange chairs, which was an early day example. If you want to have evidence, you've got to get it very early on because with our ones. As they say they learn, and we just to always say they as we were learning from them, they were learning from us. And so anything that we show curiosity in they would tend to be more cautious with, particularly jungoni. But also do it because you're doing a smart animal. They're not done. Don't make a mistake of thinking they're just like something something, whatever it is. These things here are quite smart and they react to what you do. They react quite positively to actions you take. We learned that if you do something, you're going to do it early on. And probably the other bit of advice I'll give to you American people is we used to always use passive methods. Running around the bush or torch is not a good idea because they very quickly learned that a tortu or sorry, a flashlight and will blind people, will blind them, and they don't like being blinder because they have very sensitive night vision.

1:06:26 They learned that anything that looks like a reflector, that means like a flashlight, reflector or in a camera flash unit, anything silver, reflective, turn away and don't look at it and move away from it. So they learn very quickly to avoid things like that as I say, you've got to get in early to do anything, and passive is the only way to do it. That's why recording was good. Audio recording in the early days, we used tape recorders, and the problems with take recordation is that the batteries die with temperature decrease, and you've got probably large problems with temperature decreases, so as the temperature goes down in the batteries drop out. The other problem, of course is sound.

1:07:11 I used to wrap ours in tape recording in glad wrap in order to water prove it, and then in a cloth around the outside of that to firmly insulate it, and also to try and deaden any sound, and then put it in a steel container and bury it in the ground with an external microphone on the outside. That was the Ultimately, that was the only way to try and make a tape recorder. I'm doing about mechanical tape recorder passive enough, but with the progression of technology over time that we were doing this, we ended up having things like and we call them solid state driver. Solid state drivers. Now that there's no mechanical parts in that thing, the certain doesn't produce any sound, and they're all economical with electricity with power usage. So as soon as you had things like those sort of record, it was brilled.

1:08:01 The problem was largely solved. Light is a problem, I said. We used to use flashes, and the problem we found out is even when we used automated flashes, the thing was that they would recognize the reflector, they would see the LED, so it's to tape over the LEDs. They would hear the hum of the capacitors charging up any number of things. So we always had to think in terms of anything we did had to be passive. One thing which I used was tracking was always a problem handed track passively. And the way I got around that particular problems. We're using cotton three, and I don't use standard American Maine cotton thread. We use Chinese cotton three because it's very weak and it will break very quickly.

1:08:52 And the cotton thread, I used to stretch it between trees and then anything that passed through there would tell me that something had moved through there during the night. And by doing simple variations on having thread at different heights, you can work out not only which something was going through there, but you could work out what the height was and to modify it even further. If you only anchored one end of the thread when it went through and picked up the thread, it would trail it. So you then got the height of the animal. You've got the fact that went through the then wiped it out, and the direction it was going. So when we ended up autly short period of dawn was trying to keep track of all these threads. So you end up having to different come of threads different couple for different days or different weeks in order to differentiate between all the thread we had. But it worked. Really was a passive.

1:09:48 Method of that's really smart. Yeah. I think probably some people can take and learn from that as well that are listening to this. That's super smart. Yeah. I love that. The passage is definitely the only way to go. And I said before, you've got to get in early because they learn the same way that we do. I made a list to characteristics that explain why these things aren't homins, aren't humans? Why are misupious? So I quick rundown if you like, yes please. First of all, there's no anthropological archaeological evidence of hominians in Australia. In other words, there's no evidence of humans in Australia before the averages. So now Homer erectors blah blah blah. You know, and it's integrated detail of the book if you if you have the patience to go through it. Or they have black claws instead of flat pint.

1:10:43 I've touched on that. The foot morphology. They've got three, four and five toes, which makes them definitely odd. They have visible canines things now they're also known as the itees because they descend them from directly below the eye. So if you know the canine separation, you have a close approximation of the eye separation as well. Or we can be used to confirm the photograph you've got of the eye separation by measuring off the canine measurements. But what's again, that's mention the book. They have long legs and they take a long stride and consequently they're fast runners. Now, like everything that's Austraya, Australia works on efficiency because if you can't make it here, you're going to die. It's the environment's too tough, so you can't waste energy. So long strides means you gain it's slow, harder in the effort that you're trailing to be distanced. I think there's a different height and body masses with these things. And also the kinetics. If you look at the the way which they move, their motion is a lot more different to human motion. They've got night vision, obviously. They have red eyes. Secrete redoxin on the back of the retina or the front of the retina, which increases the sensitivity of the rods to light, which means I can see in the dark. They have You might find this one surprising.

1:12:14 They have a vertically slip pupil, so like a cat's eye. Now that's a while most people in their witnesses may see it. They say they have black eyes. There's nothing there like a bottomless pick. And there's the reason for that. Not needs. They have black vertically slip eyes, which you need for controlling the light very accurately in day and night. It's a better lesson of doing it. And there's all some things that we regard to hunting animals at night, but we're going to have to read the book to do that good. They also have they have a white scalaria. Now with our eye, they have white around their pupils.

1:12:55 The reason why is that humans are social animal and monkeys are an HR two and bigfoot is as well. And they're social because having a white scalarre means that you can tell what you're looking at when you move your eye off to the sigh you see you're permanent that it means what is taking your interest? Lease don't have that, So the nice social animal, which makes a lot of sense because then they tend to this solitary Also, the white squaring gives away the position at night, I'll be fou hunting. They breathe in sync with their movements, and when they run, they're breathing is in out. That's the same thing that kangaroos have, because doesn't make sense if you're jumping in the bush. If you're landing on the ground, you don't want to be breathing in. As you're landing, you want to be exhaling, and the same as when you take off, you want to be breathing in. Now, these things tend to have a synchronized breathing pattern to them.

1:13:54 They also pant because the kangaroos, because they have trouble trying to control their body temperature like a dog, they have to rely up on panting. And these things, if you chase them during the night time and you stress them out, you'll hear them panting like a dog in the bush. Now, I don't know many apes to do that. They're also faculative quadrupeds, which means that they walk on all four wings or four two wings and two arms when they feel like it. Now we obligate bipins, which means we're obligated to walk on two legs because it doesn't make sense using our arms. These things are faculty bipeds.

1:14:35 They have a choice. They can run on two legs, which they do most of the time because that tends to be more efficient form. But quadruped. Ifveryoney goes super fast, they get dropped to all fours and they build on. Yeah, there's more to them. I can worry about it. Well, the other things is going to tell you. Oh, they're superhuman physical performances. They've got very They're very athletic, like kangaroos. Kangaroos used to amaze the early settlers because they could outrun the dogs that were set on them. But then the dogs are trying and run them down and they'll just keep on going. The dogs of the pant and water. These things be up on the hill wave and doms and it can't get As a classic example of one of a kangaroo that ran for I can't remember six eight kilometers five miles, and then the dogs corded it on a peninsula and so rather than surrendering it killed it, jumped into the water and swam for another two miles and then turned it around because it wasn't yetting anywhere, and came back before finally got killed. And when it got killed, it puts back up against a tree to protect us back from them and to tack from behind. Amazing.

1:15:53 Their body temperature is thirty percent lower them settles, so their metabolism is very low. And once that's some very Australian characteristic, very characteristic of marsupials, because low body temperature means greater efficiency. You don't need to eat as much food if you're burning less of it. So how I achieved how I measured that was using a flur or a simple flu already I use this, you get a great scar reading from zero to one hundred, so it's basically a percent. Stick it on the map, get color slurp. I think I used and hot the hold of the mouse over the pixel of your interident which in this case was ahead the hottest part of the marsupial. And then from that it says, and this was pixel was eight point nine degrees hotter than the rest. And then add the ambient temperature for whatever the outside temperature was, and it gives you the body temperature at the surface and in most cases here was about thirty years lower than what was center would be. I used foxes and rets as an example. You get measures thing once again, you need to reasons and of course things like you've got to absence of breasts. So sentules have breasts, maspos don't because they free from nipples inside the masspium.

1:17:24 That is. That's so there. That's great evidence for it being marsupial. Absolutely, But what a conversation, Neil, My goodness. How can people pick up a copy of Batfoot if they would like to jump into all my godness, let's look real quick. Seven hundred and fifteen pages. Yeah, that way in Chlan. Then from the Amazon Amazons the publishers website, but probably Amazon will be the best way to do it because of the fact that we printed originally in color. Got a Fiddler published. I want color half decent order on decent paper and not rubbish.

1:18:11 He printed it that way, but it came out to be very expensive and so the end result was that we did a second edition, which is lower quality paper and in black and white, which is good for the what does it forms? The function? But it's said it's cheaper. Now you make up your own mind. I think it's worthwhile spending the extra money, but I think it's worthwhile buying the color version. Doesn't make any difference in terms of the Royalty's the same royalty. They're not pushing it for that sake, but I think for your sake, and you bet if you've got it, you've got the color version, but it hasn't got the black and white. Okay for that one. If there are listeners, maybe even from over in Australia, that have things that they would like to report, is there a way that they can reach out to you?

1:18:58 Are you still actively taking its or no? No? Since I retired, I still get reports, nowhere near as many, but I'm not active in the field anymore. I've accomplished everything I wanted to accomplish. I think I've satisfied myself. I know everything about them. I'm absolutely white, hundred percent certainly I know what they are and I certainly know what they're not, and so there's not much purpose of me continuing on. So now I haven't done anymore. I haven't been doing any more research on that one. Hopefully I've put out the call and the book for someone undertake on the task. I would like Averages to do it themselves, because they have a lot of stories to tell, and now I will say anything, they won't say anything because it's the bidden knowledge. It's knowledge that you have to be an average you know, or you have to be initiated, or whatever the excuse is. You don't tell average people this information. So I would like Averages to come out of the shell, and I like them to actually right about this. I'll certainly get plenty of support from me and I'm sure a lot of other people as well.

1:20:07 Absolutely, I hope that does happen someday, And if listeners do have things they would like to share, welcome, they can always send me an email as well as a society at gmail dot com. Neil. I feel this has been a very interesting conversation. I think my listeners have learned a ton about Australia and what is going on there with the Yowie, more specifically the dou La Gal, the Quincin and the Jungity, And thank you for spending some time with us today and for sharing your years and years of research and investigation. Before we wrap this episode, I want to say something directly to a very specific group of listeners. If you're in the military, any branch or forces, and if you've seen something that no one can explain, or if you're a national parkraying, a forestry worker who's been told to stay quiet, or if you're a pilot who's seen something strange down on the ground, or if you're with the FBI a federal agency, or working intelligence and you stumbled upon something you're not allowed to talk about. And if you're a firefighter, paramedic, or search and rescue responder who's heard screams or found tracks that didn't make sense. If you're in the logging industry on a remote oil field, or a trucker with government contracts and you've had something happen that you've never told a soul. And if you're a biologist, a wildlife specialist, or a field researcher under contract who has found evidence you're not allowed to report.

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