Bigfoot and Dogman Encounters of Western New England

0:02 Welcome to the Bigfoot Society. In this classic episode from twenty twenty two, I talked to Brian Bowden about his multiple encounters with Bigfoot and docmen over the years in western New England. If you've experienced something similar to what Brian has, or have more information regarding Bigfoot or other cryptids in the same area, please reach out immediately to me after this episode. Remember, your encounter could be the key to unlocking this mystery once and for all, so please don't hesitate to contact me at Bigfoot Society at gmail dot com. What was it, Brian that got you into these cryptid subjects like dog Man Bigfoot? What drew you to it? Let's put dogmin to the side for a Mimi, because growing up I used to watch something a prop and Cold in Search of with Leonard Nimoy. Yes, yeah, okay, that's how I grew up.

0:47 I love monster movies, I love science UFOs. I was lucky enough that my mother was a school teacher and she had the summers off, so she became a head counselor at a sleepoy camp in Connecticut, okay, northwestern Connecticut, and I basically was born. They brought me up the camp and I've been there for like decades and it was great. It was a great way to get away from New York City for two months in the summer or a little bit more. We always looked at the stars. Being in the city, the stars, the light pollution just killed the stars exactly. So when you get to the country and you see all these stars and you can actually see the Milky Way, that portion of it, it's just amazing. And we used to see some crazy objects that we tell stories, but for everything, I was into the Lockness Monster, Bigfoot, the Abottomle Snowman, or Yeti, which is basically a Bigfoot in winter. I always thought that Bigfoot was in the Pacific Northwest. That's where Addison Gibbn film. Everything took place in the Pacific Northwest, and I was like, I want to go to the Pacific Northwest. I want to look at a Bigfoot. I'm not thinking anything of being in the East Coast or anyplace else. And one summer in about ninety it was I don't know if it was seventy seven, seventy eight, or seventy nine, I don't remember that far back, but I slept on the bunk bed top bed of a bunk, and when the counselors would come back from someone would watch you in the bunk at night. And then some key councils were off. So when the councils would come back from town drinking, eating peach or whatever, you knew that they were all back because every light was shut off. Even the bathroom lights were shut off because

2:19 they don't want to sleep with the lights on. So I'm sleeping on this bunk bed now if my feet are over here, there's a window right here next to my feet, and the windows about I'm going to say maybe two and a half three feet maybe three feet by three foot a glass window that slide into the bunk. And I'm pretty high up. So and I have this smell coming, like a skunky type of smell, and I have to get up. I have to go to the bathroom. I thinking I'm like maybe ten years old maybe, So I wake up, I wake up, I smell this smell. I know the lights routs to all the counters in the back, and I get up. I sit up in my bed and I look and I noticed something's in my window. So I'm like, okay, there's a lot of shadow play with trees and the full mow and whatever.

3:07 And I look, and the smell of skunk, and that futrid, disgusting, skunky smell is really strong, not unusual for camp. But there seems to be a head or a face in the window and it's doing this and I look, and I'm looking at it from a I'm trying to hide my physical body because my feet are exposed right by the window. And it looked like a giant monkey, okay, like a gorilla slash monkey. And I'm like, it got me unnerved. So I laid back down very slowly, try not to move because this thing could have easily just went right through the glass pulled. So a little bit nervous, and after about an hour, I just my bladder couldn't take it. So I slowly creep back up and then I get to away from the window and I just slide down my bed and then I literally do a dog crawl throughout the bunk and I have to pass. I go underneath my bunk to the bunk that's right next to me, which is right by that side entrance. I'm by the side where this thing was peeking in, and there's a door there. Mind you, and I'm like, I'm literally crawling from that point all the way over the length of the bunk and slowly sneaking to the bathroom. Also knowing that the windows are there and this thing can come in that way too, try not to make any noise. And I peeked and I didn't see anything at that point, So I went to the bathroom, I slid, I did the dog crawl back whatever. So that was it. That was my experience, and it was really unnerving. Wow. And I didn't know what it was at the time, because, like I said, bigfoots in the Pacific Northwest.

4:40 That's what they tell you on in search of yeah exactly. Now, I do have photograph memory, and I was talking to my buddy, my partner, Al about his encounter in Florida and stuff, and I said, I remember this moment, So I said, let me do a search. So where my camp is, there's a lake right next to it, to a reservoir, Crystal Lake. Now, I'll tell you what's very interesting about it. The people that did that movie Friday the thirteenth, Yeah, came to my camp first. No way, Yes, they wanted to do it, which would have been I would have been like, if I owned the property, go ahead, but just replace every boat. Oh because but the owners were like, oh, it's going to be a negative. They don't want the negativity. I'm like, there's no negativity. You'd have brand new bumps and everything would be perfect. So that's their touch. But it's literally butts up against my lake. My camp. There's a lake, a little woodsy area, then my camp with a little lake in it. So I start doing my research and I look up bigfoot sightings in that area, and wouldn't the same year I had my experience in the window, three separate people saw a two bipedal crypted hanging out right by that reservoir. Really, yes, so it is, so I said, okay, so what I did see was legitimately a bigfoot. And then that's when I was I'm older now, this is about fifteen twenty years ago. I didn't really bother to do it. I just been doing a lot of independent stuff, and when you discover that there's bigfoot in your area, you take these little expeditions, research

6:10 investigations. And I just so happen to meet somebody who is very much into it. He started his own group al and they started a bronxall paranormal. We started doing investigations together, but we also do it separately. So that's how I got into it. I was a little bit more into the UFO stuff because I thought that would be cool. Yeah, we get abducted, we go to we Can. It's cruising these planets and stuff, and I'm like, no, when you know about Elliotts, you don't. That's a note for me one no please. Yeah, first off, that's that's fascinating. I grew up in western mass and I can I can vouch for you northwestern Connecticuts. People might think if connecticun be like, oh is it really? Yes, it is really, it's too Yeah. Yeah, we were you Neil Pittsfield, My so, my one of my grandparents was in the Berkshires in Great Barrington. I know you're basically the same. Okay, Well I grew up in Northfield in Franklin County. Okay, throuit seven right, oh yeah yeah yeah, okay, So I'll just let you know that the town I was in is Winstead. They used to have a guy that they called Yes. Yes, okay, so you've been through yeah, yep, it's about this big yeah. Yeah. The Winston wildman, and it's very interesting. There's been several sightings along that road into Massachusetts, specifically Great Barrington.

7:29 There used to be a coach that would ride to Pittsfield and Great Barrington come back down through that way, and it's there are several sightings of what they would call a wild man. Was it called bigfoot? Back then in most places they didn't call him bigfoot or sasquatch. It was a wild man. Oh that's a wild man. You stay out of the woods. And it's basically an extremely large bipedal humanoid esque entity, which is Bigfoot. We got Bigfoot and Sasquatch from Indian tribes. And then later on someone said, oh, look at the big Foot. You know the no brainers history. Ye, rest is. But that whole area, that corridor is heavily, heavily traielve. And when what's interesting is when you find out later on it's I have a buddy in Connecticut. You should probably get on two called Chris Reinhardt. He does a lot of investigations out of Winst in that area.

8:26 He recently discovered and found a set of prints. I think there were fourteen and a half inches right and left that went on for a bit, and it's a classic thing that happens to everybody that we've research investigates. When you have to carry packs, you're in the woods all day, you want to keep enough water for you to drink, and but you also you want if you come across a track, and what he came across was golden, you want to have some kind of casting material. And he took it out that morning or before the investigation. He was on to lighten the load a little bit. So if you didn't cast it yet, you may have casted it now. But let me tell you big time cryptids in that area, like Bigfoot, as well as I'll give you an example of a dog man.

9:13 All right, go ahead. So the way my camp was structured. On one side of this main roadway that's the surface road. That's a route I've got that or maybe two sixty three. And on one side it's the camp property and they own some sides on the other side of the road, and that's where the caretaker used to live, and they have something called the canteen where at night we'd have a social One of my best friends in the Planner, who I met in that camp one night we're hanging out there, and this is years after I had that experience. I wasn't even thinking about it at the time. We would go on hikes and explore all the time. But at night he decided to play, you know, around and go behind the building into the woods, just you know, just do something. It was our free time. It's that night we're supposed to be socializing. When anyhow, he comes out and he is definitely afraid. I know this guy, and he's scared out of his Michigans. Don't go back there. Don't go back to there's a monster back there. I'm like, what are you talking about it? He says, it's ten feet tall, it's got things, it's got yellow eyes, it's got claws, it's a month and don't go back there. And he was adamant about this thing. And I'm like, come on, let's go, Bobo, don't go back there. And we went back and we're not gonna we believe him because he was you can see he was unnerved, you know. So we go back there and we don't find anything. But that's the experience. And to this day, when I question it, he says, oh, I was making it up, and I know him well enough to know that he was not. Yeah,

10:43 there's something you can see. You could probably see in his eyes. There's a certain panic that you have in a moment where you're scared. You can't replicate that. You're not that good an actor. Very few can. And so what you come to find out is a bigfoot as a researcher of all this stuff, cryptids and dogmen, and I never wanted to believe dogmen was real, thank you to my partner, but it is nine out of ten times, if you have bigfoot in the area, you'll have dogmen, and there's usually something that separates them and they like you stay on your side, We'll stay on our side, okay. And usually it's because there's a source of made, source of water, and there's a lot of type of food.

11:26 So in that area specifically, there's a lot of water, fresh water, there's fish, there's turtles, there's deer. Something that's interesting. The bears have come back in, but there weren't as many when we were going to camp Okay, So that could be from a eight to nine foot bipedal bigfoot, and there's been many reports of bigfoot actually having interactions with bears to territorial and ripping them to shreds. Wow. Just think about this concept for everybody's watching. Okay, remember Michael Jackson and Bubba that little chimp. Yeah yeah, yeah, okay, so Bubbles has a little chimpanzee like a baby chimp. Yeah, without even thinking about it, could rip your arm out of it socket. Oh you know if your body. Oh yeah, and Bubbles was maybe three feet right, yeah, maybe super small. Yeah, okay, what do you think an eight foot version of that could do?

12:22 Game it over exactly. It's no joke. When you see some of these videos, you see these big trees moving. Yeah, whatever. So that's once you start really investigating it. And I investigated when I started getting older were I had a car. Don't get me wrong, I was into very much the women around there. But it's also what are we doing today? Let's do this? And we did a day night investigation fast forward when I first met my buddy Al and we did we did an investigation once a place called the Letchworth Village. Okay, it's up in Sales, New York. It's twenty nine thousand square acres of a hospital that they would put the insane vast undesirable unwanted. Now, what's interesting about this hospital is there was a lot of doctors there that would experiment on individuals, no matter if it was a baby or an adult. And they did polio experiments there as well.

13:18 I think it was polio or TV one of the two. Okay. So the way they had to candidate that work of vaccination or whatever work is if you didn't die, we're onto something, right, Okay. Yeah. So separate from where the facility is was this cemetery, and in the cemetery that's where they used to put all the bodies and they dumped hundreds of bodies there from literally one day old to ninety whateve years old. Us are all the ones that have died or they experimented on it, whatever. So it was an unknown graves for a while. Some of the families that had relatives there, they banded together and they put up a plaque. So when you walk into this place, it's separate from the hospital, you act. You have to drive to it in a different area. There's a lot of land between it and the way. It's situated on a back road that's paved. There's like maybe three houses and you have to park your car you'll walk through this path about a quarter of a mile and then it opened up to this what it looks like a little bit of a mound, and the path goes to the right and the left, and in the center is a plaque that's probably I'm gonna say, about four and a half feet high by four and a half five feet wide, and on it it lists all the people there.

14:35 So we were going on an investigation there. Now, the way this was situated, we're doing a day night thing. We like to do day and night if we can, because things do change when the outside world calms down a bit, you pick up a little bit more you're you know, it's a little bit more focused at you know, a nighttime. So what was interesting is if you picture where you're if I'm ending at the cemetery, there's a tree, there's a mound, there's no grave markers, it's just a plaque, and the road goes, you know, there's a little path into the right around the mound and to the left and to the left of us is a clear cut that they use for high tension wires. Right, we started doing a survey for us. We walked in, we went in there and we started walking around a bit, and we walked past the cemetery and walked up this path. Wow, this is a cool place. I would have been hanging out there as a kid in it's there and drinking beers or doing whatever. Right, and especially if I had a four wheel drive, it would be like whatever. So it's very squatchy. So you have water nearby, you got swampy, you have the tension wires there. But I'm thinking more along the lines of ghosts. I'm in the ghost hunting mode because we're there to certain do the invests. And in the background you can hear some dogs barking, and there was this one really big bark that we heard throughout the day. My buddies, Dude, you he hear that dog?

15:58 Like, yes, it sounds like a really big one. Sounds like a mask stuff or something like that. Okay, So we walk and we're like, we felt we were missing something. We're just trying to figure it out. So we go back and start doing our investigation. He goes one way on the cemetery and I go the other. And the cemetery is for all tents and purposes, maybe like a thousand square feet, but like a circle or a rotunda. Sure, so I'm doing my stuff, he's doing this stuff. We hear the dog barks and he's being drawn to a certain path and I'm just hanging out and we just it just there's something weird about it. We felt like there's something else going on there. There should be other other things that were present given the type of location what we were seeing, because we noticed things more than other people, tree markers, breaks and stuff.

16:47 So we go to this one point and we said, let's go to this one point and see where this meter, the MF meter is reading and if, for the most part, being next to high intensity h tention wires, it wasn't that bad. Very surprised. So we hear these dogs barking and we're sitting there and then I sit down for a minute to look up. And then I look up and I see in the tree, probably about I'm six foot one mind you, okay, maybe ten feet up, there's a break, a fresh break really in the tree. And I'm like, yo, take a look. Oh that's unusual, like what came through here? That's going to break that. So now I'm like, okay, what's going on? He goes Should I do a Should I do a tree knock or a call. I said, you know what, let's try with a tree knock. So he finds a piece of wood. It's bad, finds another piece of wood and the dogs are barking, and the minute he hits that tree, boom, the dogs shut up. Oh yeah, there's silence there, so okay, they definitely know and where him and I are picking.

17:52 We pick up on each other as we know that there was one tree knock. Okay, so we try to do a hall. Doesn't work. We play around with the Tibetan singing bowl to try to ramp up the energy and ye interesting, okay, we love Tibetan things singing. Yah. Yeah, it's for some reason, the vibration, the frequency coming out of them, depending on which one you're using. I usually use the hard chakra, and I forgot what note that is right off the bat. I apologize I haven't used him in a while. My wife and daughter, oh stop, don't dose that. I'm like, I have to be dad too, And our EMF meter starts to go a little bit wacky, so I said, okay, so we started doing like a call and response type of thing.

18:32 I'm like, are you if you're actually responding to us, no you're here, make this go up to ninety and boom goes up to ninety. Okay, great, no problem. So we start playing around it. So now we're getting into this. It's paranormal ghosty. But there's a cryptic type of marker here that I'm liking. And he starts going to hear that barking, getting this feeling, he gets these certain feelings. He goes off on his own and we regroup later on. So as we come back, this isn't that much time we've been there. We've been there maybe an hour. We see these two kids on a four wheel drive type of thing. I forgot what they're called. They come flying in here and they come flying and looking and they're talking. But yeah, we're looking for them. Now we know they walked in here. We're looking for them, so we're figuring, like, okay, what's this. So they come in there and they go along the path. They miss us because we're actually at this point, we decided to sit behind the marker that where they give you the list of the people who are buried there, so nothing can come over our backs. So it's like a good point to be. So got our backs covered and we can see out this way and they're looking for us. It's clear that they're looking for us. So we when they come back, we like, we say hello to them. Maybe it's private property. We'll just want to get an idea. And we get up there and they're like, what are you doing here? And I'm like, oh, we're paranormal investigators. We wanted to come electorate cemetery. And they're like when we're like, can we ask you

20:03 some questions about the cemetery? No, and they take off real quick. Whoa wow, like on a purpose, Like they went in they came out, and we noticed that. We're like, wow, that's odd. They were pretty quick. They would look like they were looking or they couldn't get out of here fast enough. So mental note back in the head hit my buddy's head. We continue on with their investigation and then we decide to go away for a little bit to get some eat early dinner, take a break, we eat, We come back, it's still a little bit light out and we start investigating the front end of this area and we hear this and like I even commented, like, wow, that dog's pretty big. That dog sounds pissed. It's really deep. You can kind of feel it.

20:45 So we walked back the path where we came in and there was a cutoff to the right. We start walking down the cutoff and it's the same area to the right of us that my buddy Al was being drawn to, and we start walking. He starts looking and as we walk in we see this structure. There is a huge tree structure. Now big Food usually leans trees, they do tps that do stars, just certain things here. Okay, so this was easily a three foot in circumference tree that was ripped from the ground with its roots flipped upside down, so the roots are up there and attached. It was stand. It was like perfectly straight here, and you had other trees ripped out with the roots like this on top of it, so it looked like a giant umbrella. Weird. That is very dog man, I said, wow, I said, And it's really funny when on your focus on one thing, sometimes you miss the abvia signs. And that really clicked. I said, this is very to myself, this is very dogman asque Okay, but I'm like, we're really too close to the city for a dog man. I'm like, that's my opinion, what would it be doing here? And I started walking a little bit further in the woods because we hear some sounds coming from that direction. My buddy Al's going to stop, says, I got this feeling they're trying to draw in someplace.

22:04 This doesn't feel right. Come back, and we've learned to trust each other's instincts that so I come back and we're not being we're not. We don't continue down that path to investigate what those sounds are. So we come back and we're like, look, let's stay together. Fine, now I'm trying to give you set this up. So we're The entrance to this cemetery is off this like two lane road. There's a little area to the when you pull up to it, there's a little area to the left gravel that you would park your car. You probably could fit three to four cars there, and then if you go up a quarter mile more on the right hand side, it looked like a nature trail and there's one of those light fixtures that's like incandescent light. Okay, it's yellowish. So when we came back, we parked up there under the light so people can see that, oh, someone's probably on the trail. You know, we don't want to get in trouble. We don't. We're not here to get arrested, so no problem.

23:03 So we continue with our investigation and my buddy starts getting really acting funny, like he has this weird look on his face. He has issues with his technology. I'm like, are you okay? Yeah, I'm fine. Why And I'm like, now, you don't see him right? And it's getting cooler and colder, and you hear this, like this wolfish type of and at one point, just through our evidence, I heard it and I said, did you hear that? Did you hear a growl or barking? And my buddy on the audio says, nope. And the next thing you hear right next to is like that right, I didn't hear it at that time, Okay, I just noticed I heard it, like something that sounds like a growls. Getting colder, full moon, and all of a sudden, we're sitting there. This is probably about three four hours. It's getting cooler. I have to use the restroom, but I'm not going to urinate anywhere near a cemetery. That's very disrespectful. Yeah, not a smart idea, no matter. I get it. I get it. Yeah, So I said, you know what I'm gonna I said to myself, hold on when we get to the car, when we go, and I'll peel over there. And I don't know if you ever heard of Steve Stockton. He's another great writer. He's on the list to talk to. He's a great Yeah, he's a buddy of mine. This story because you'll hear it.

24:19 Okay, So it's funny where we're staying. You can see the moon breaking through the full moon. Mind you were at a cemetery, and my hand to god, this white miss starts rolling in and it's like your classic if you've ever seen those old wereholves. It's like this white fog coming in. And I'm like and I'm like, dude, are you seeing this? And he's yeah, seeing that, Like holy crap. So we stay there a little bit longer and he's acting where I said, look, he's getting a little bit chilled. I said, we've been here long enough. Let's just go back to the car. You know, I got to get to the bathroom. Let's go back, right, and we agree, so we pack our stuff up. Actually, before that happens, these guys come back in and we and when they come back in, we're going to ask them about their experiences. Again. Oh, so these guys notice us when we came back in, and again they come in like bats that hell, and they're looking for us. And we're like, you know, okay, can we ask you questions about trained stuff here? No, and we're out of here, and then they go again. Very strange. It's like they know something we don't. Oh, they know a lot more than they're not going to tell because no one believes you when you tell these things. But so we walked back out. We have our little lamps on and we start walking to the car. And as we're walking to the car, I'm on his pastor's side of this, my buddy's vehicle. It's a jeep, little jeep, cheap Liberty. So I figured, okay, we'll get to the car.

25:37 Just before I get in, i'llpe on the side now where his car is I'm standing on. I would be standing on a three foot grade. Okay. As we're walking, we see eyeshine. Now I'm thinking here, And as we're getting there, it's getting a little bit more amberish and it's getting bigger, and it's right by the car. Oh, and I'm like, what the hell is that? And we're looking now. I don't have any firearms. I don't. I'm gonna live in New York City. It's impossible to get yeah, I know. Yeah, So what we do is on investigations we carry machete. So I have one here, oh interesting, one here and one on my side, plus a couple folding nights. Wow. We have bear, we have big cat. Yeah, we have other things.

26:18 Makes sense. I don't really want to kill anything, but you got to protect yourself, right, I get it. Yeah, So I got the machete here and I got it on the side. Whatever, but backpack. We get to the car and I got paid. I'm going to be brutally on it. So as we get there, we see this thing sitting there, like, is it a deer? It's not a deer and it's just been the shadows. You can see its shape. It's got this shape of a head. It has these like a Marmaduke type of ears, like big ears. Wh yeah yeah, and it looks like a snout and their yellow eyes and it's sitting there on a tunch, doesn't move, doesn't blank, doesn't do anything. Now where I am I am no more than fifteen feet to twenty feet from it. I've had dogs my entire life. I know all about So I got a pee. So everybody else put we're talking about see Hackman's not moving. Maybe it's a document. It was too big.

27:07 And then it hits me that I'm six foot one I'm standing on a three foot grade. That makes me nine feet one inches. This thing sitting down on its hunch, it's now was about here to my notes. Oh my goodness. So that means that this thing sitting is over eight feet tall. So I start peeing in front of it, and my buddies, Dude, get in the car. We could do this light. I'm like, you know, dude, I gotta go. And I'm peeing in front of it, and I put my bag in the car whatever, and I'm peeing and it's just sitting there and it's like I'm going. It was like an Austin Powers type of pe I gotta be honest. Oh yeah, like evacuation cold please. Yeah. It was just kept going. Now we're dating ourselves, yeah yeah, we date ourselves all we want. And my buddies getting the car. Bro I get in the car. I'm like, I'm not finished. It was get in the car with Levi here and I'm like, dude, I'm up and I'm looking at him in the car and then I look back and we noticed this thing. And what it does is it just slowly goes down, lies down, one fluid motion and then disappears. Now at that minute, when stuff's about to get real for me and when I'm gonna have an experience or something's gonna happen, I get the goose pimples yep, yep, hard as a rock, and I'm like, time to go.

28:21 I threw my stuff in there, and I got in the car and we peeled off and that was that was our experience. But I was on more than fifteen to twenty feet from this, and it was definitely I know enough about dogs. There's no dog in the planet that sitting down is eight feet tall. Yeah, And at that moment we started discussing it. I kept looking out the back, but nothing came out. And here's the interesting part. If we're talking about dog man as a canine or a bipedal whatever, canine based cryptid, when you urinate, When a dog urinates in front of another dog, it marks its terror tory. Yeah, it says to that dog, I'm the boss, I'm the outfare I may have saved you, dude. You know. So we're thinking about this and I was talking to my buddy out. I'm like, like, he goes, dude, don't ever do that again. I'm gonna leave you. I'm like, you're not gonna leave me. You love me too much and you have to chand that clap to my wife. It's not gonna happen. But it was very It was fine up to that point where he disappeared. It was very unnerving type of thing. But I just always thought like this dogman was like, holy crap, this guy's crazy. Yeah, being in front of me, I just they're gonna be going back to the to the crew at the pound or the dogman town going. So there he was. He's standing there and he's being in front of me. What do you think he is? Yeah, he's That's wild, dude. That's one of the wildest stories I've ever heard on this podcastside of Jody Cook. I'm not even kids. I know Jody, but God's honest truth. And Steve Stockton loves that. He goes.

29:55 I've gotten so much mileage out of it. But it's the truths, but the concept is now from that point I've had I've been in situations where there were dog Men present, but I haven't interacted with them, and I'm wondering. It seems like with this cryptid, which I didn't want to believe to begin with, I was like, okay, come on, werewolves there are one hundred percent legitimate and real. They are very horrific according to Vic Kundiff basically and through the research it's seven variants. I don't know my camera's catching seven variants. Whatever. There you go, and you have the soldier ones that look like something out of Van Helsing, like these monsters that like rip you up. They are very menacing looking. There's nothing nice about this cryptid, No, not at all. Zero. Okay up until there's a Dogmen type three, which is like a hybrid. So what I did before the show, because I've never been on the show, and I thank you very much have me on your show. I feel so high browed that we're talking dog Man and Bigfoot on the society society something. It's really they don't want me here. I'm not a society type, but it's a it's an interesting name for a put it's a whole. I think it's great. I think it's fantastic. But something very interesting is there's a dogman type three and one of them is it looks a little bit like a bigfit, but it also looks like a dog has that K nine type of lichen or a nubius look to it, but it's not as menacing. And my theory what I've do that's a word. People there you go. I think that there's a

31:26 point in time and I have some other theories on this. We're bigfoot and dogmen do a west side story. Yeah, I got you, And they may and I think they have the ability to connect with each other. And maybe it's the way I look at it is maybe it's the weaker length for both ends of it. The runts of the litter sounds really weird and impersonal, and they just find each other and they propagate and they'll produce pups as well as bigfoot or dogman type threes. We did another investmenttigation and we did it up in upstate New York, very close. I'll just say it's near fifty five twenty two is area if you know that, that's or forty four and route forty Okay, Okay, I know where like speculator is, you're talking like, No, I'm talking actually where your grandparents near. Okay in that Yeah, there's a place in the four corners there where Massachusetts, New York, and Connecticut meet is a place. Yep, bish Bash Falls, dude. I've been to bash Yeah, it's wild. I love that place.

32:34 My father used to take me there all the time when I was a little kid. All the water, dude, I love that. I always felt it was weird too. But there's not in the weird stuff. So he never told me weird stories. He's know them. He probably has seen some things or know some things through years and years of X, Y and Z. But oh, that's Roberts folklore. But I'll tell you when you start investigating these things, it's not folklore. Yeah. So this is close there, but more on the New York side. Okay. I'm being very vague for reasons because I want to protect certain areas. So this is a big lake and it was really once used for by United Nuclear Corporation to to do They were working with weapons grade uranium to develop an engine. What kind of engine, we don't know, but they had an accident there and it went into the lake and the military adventure cleaned it up. But it's an area throughout time from indigenous people, has high strangeness in the area, really lots of high strangeness, cryptids, gnomes, elemental type of creatures, everything even. Right, Yeah, So we decide, my buddy decides we're doing a day night investigation Halloween eve, full mown meteor shower. So we said, okay, cool, we'll go. We'll go to the lake. Now, the park closes at sunset, but the Appalachian Trail kind of skirts the lake a little it, right, Yeah, So you could be on the Appalachian Trail all you want, but when you get into a federal park,

34:05 they close. Yeah, and they're pretty good about it. So we can't park in their parking lot. So we park a half a mile away in a certain area and we hoof it and we walk down a half a mile and then once you get to the park, it's probably about three quarters of a mile to get to the tip of the lake. And when you get to the tip of this there's still radiation poisoning in there. There's radioactive ways. Whoa right, So you can either take a path to the right of the lake or to the left. If you go to the right of the lake, it's a goat trail. There's no way you're going to make it, and there's rocks. You're gonna die. Literally, it's not for the fate of heart. No one really does it because it's just too complex.

34:47 So you go to the right. Now, as you go to the right, you can meet up with the Appellachian trail. And then at certain spots is it's not like it's a place where you can park your rear and start a campfire. They don't want that, but it's a little but open up an area there and then it's a nice spot. Now, my buddy went there prior previously because he's been there before. He's had interactions with what he calls a bipedal crypton Bigfoot, and he's brought people there and he's heard the monkey barking stuff. So I'm excited. I'm like, cool, let's go, let's do this. So we walk in and we walked this one spot. We say, okay, there's at that spot. There's a rock formation to the left of us that's pretty high up. It's impossible really to get in there. The where it's located, because it's just it's really intense as no, even if you try to circle back around it, it would take you hours to get this one spot. And on top of it is a whole. It looks it's like a karen So it's like a piling of rocks.

35:47 Yeah, I gotcha. I find it very, very weird. But knowing a little bit about the Inuit Indians from the north, they have something called a nookahshuok and that's a That's what they do is they build these rock totems that look like humans and they're like with arms out legs, and they put that up purposely to ward off the evil and say, nope, there's something here, don't come here. So, okay, this is weird. We go a little bit further and by the time we get to the location he wants to start at because there are two of these. He found two three quartz balls like quartz rock that was like chip the way, so they're round. We're not smooth, but rounded, not natural. At the other end of the lake, so at the top point of the lake, it's about two miles so he says, we're going to make our stands here that's where we're going to start, and then we'll slowly come back to this era and we'll do another investigation here and then that's how That's what the plan was.

36:45 So we go there and there's three of us. There's me, my buddy Al, and a friend of ours name Bill. Bill had a YouTube program me videotape, so we I wanted him to go there. He wanted to go, but I wanted a little videotaping. Accident. I try to live stream through Twitter. Yeah, the cell signals were so I was trying to do live streaming, trying not do live streaming. So when we got this one location, the way we set it up, if you're looking at us, I'm all the way to the right, About ten feet in my right is Al, and then about ten feet to him, he's behind a bigger set of rocks. Okay. Then to ten feet to his right is Bill standing sitting in an area that's a little bit near a mini rock wall, one of those rock walls you're finding the woods. So we set our stuff up. We don't start a fire because we don't have any problems with any fire. We're not really supposed to be there, and we start doing investigation. Now's listening through power perabolic microphone exactly, and you hear tree knocks every once in a while, like, wow, did you hear that tree knock? Yeah? I got that. But basically Bill's videotaping for himself, narrowing whatever he's doing there. I'm doing my own investigation, and I have all my meters out, I'm checking out a meth meters, I got fleear, I've got full spectrum cameras whatever, taking pictures. And now's doing his own thing. And he discovers a certain point when he used the parabolic mic As he points it up, he gets this like weird noise. It's almost like an SOS or Morse code. And I'm like, I'm looking at and

38:17 what the hell is that? And I said it could be one thing to be a microwave transmitter, but the military and US government used in case of a nuclear bomb, which they said they're shut off, but I think they still use them now. It could be radiation from the lake because this tree, if you go back to when this tree is, it would be a lot lower, so it's roughly about the heightware through the growth process, or it's freaking aliens, so there's and all the while we're there, I kept hearing rock knocks boom across the lake us and I kept hearing tree knocks. So I'm like, okay, this is very interesting. And in the distance, being in the woods, you can hear a lot further away, but in the distance from us, we kept hearing dogs barking. And as the night started to get darker and the sun starts setting, we started playing again with the Tibetan singing balls, ramping it up. Okay, okay, we did some experiments. He has a rose quartz crystal head skull. I have a clear crystal. His name's Scully. That's cool. So we were doing you know, we're hitting it with emf meters, We're hitting it with the temperature gauges. Nothing was rating off of these rocks. There was no anomalies.

39:29 But once you started doing the Tibetan singing bowls, this pressure started building. As it was getting darker. We were there, man, and to explain the pressure, the best way you can explain it is if you've ever been well in the summer someplace and you smell of rain coming, it gets a little bit pressurized. Yep. It was like but that on crack. It was like a thousand times worse. He just felt uncomfortable. Okay, So we said, let's call it Psyche in Arkansas. Okay, So we call her up and she gets on the phone and she's all jump but you can't hear a word from her, but you okay, it's very straight, there's a lot of energy, it's very strength, and eventually we have to cut her off. And at that point we're hearing louder wood knocks from where we are. So we're at the top of this somebody we're up here, and to the right of us there's a little bit of water here, so a lake. There are wood knocks coming from that direction, and it's getting more and more intensive. You can feel it like you want to like something's going to go on, something's happening. And at one point we kept hearing footfall, but it felt it was really weird. It was like heavy footfall.

40:43 And again, the way I best can can describe it is I've been to some agriculture a fairs like for you would be the Goshen Fair or the Big e up there in Massachusett, and when you have a team of horses walking, or if you've ever been to an outdoor circus. You can feel when the elephants move, like, what was that? That's the elephant movie. That's what it felt like. I'm like, whatever this thing is, it's big. We heard breaks here and there, but it's very slow and we're all doing our own thing. And the next thing, it's dark. It's pitch black. Now, me being from New York, got understand. So's my buddy Al, and so's actually Bill. I'm always looking for Okay, if something happens, now, where am I going to go? I'm not jumping in nuclear wasted water. No, I don't climb trees that good.

41:30 I can't go to the left of me, which is the goat trail. It's pitch black. So I'm gonna have to make a book. I would have to go to the right or stand my ground. Basically, I have to stand my ground. Something happens, okay, and we're hearing these ladder wood knocks and whatever. And at one point again we're just sitting there and my buddy out goes it sounds like people are here. I'm like, it's not people. And the next thing you know, you hear some thing running in Bill's direction from behind him. And he gets up running, so I get up and we form a pyramid. Yeahw I'm to OL's right.

42:10 So we're like that pyramid thing and Bill starts taking off. Now, if he didn't stop, he would have killed himself. He would have poked his eye out, he would have went into the really bad. So I'm ready and I've got my machete three quarters drawn, and I'm like, okay, let's go. And I'm thinking it's either bear possibly or a big cat. Al's think it also a big cat, but this is really big and Bill is just panicked, so I'll go stand your ground. Bill standing, Bill is useless at this point. I love your Bill, but you were useless. So it's just me and Al. And then we turn on this flashlight. So Bill had like a three million or six million white flashlight. We look in that direction, there's nothing there. We use soul spectrum camera, nothing, flear nothing. We run over to the area and there's nothing.

43:00 It would literally sound it was right next to us. So okay, this is really strange. So we settled back down again. Al's using the parabolic mic and at this point we hear the tree knocks again, and then we hear them again, and the next thing, you know, my buddy goes, I think there are people here, and you hear who And then the third whoop is at the other end of the lake two miles away, and he goes, I think that's people. I'm like, are you out of your mind? Yeah? Yeah, it's not. And you could feel this thing reverberating in your chest with you. I do investigate this stuff. I'm a glutton for punishment. As they say, it was a depends moment.

43:40 Yeah, you're just like it was just and you go, what was that? I'm like, dude, that was right here, and where it came from was right behind us. We're at between al am I on this little ledgend of the area. We run up to that area full lights blazing it. Right after that, there's nothing. We don't hear a tree knock. We don't hear anything else after that point. And I'm thinking like, okay, I got it now, and in my head I've already had this judgment. This is a bigfoot and no freaking doubt about it. And when that tree knock happened, they were two really close together. He or she this bigfoot said whoop. There are three of them. Take the long way home.

44:22 Yeah, I don't say what I'm saying. Yeah, it was an advanced scout and we did not move from that point. We just didn't move. We stood our grounds. Oh man. So after that, a few minutes later, I think it got pissed off. And the next thing you hear come at You hear something coming from the trees behind me, like breaking branches. And then I hear a thud right behind me. Boom. And I'm sitting one of those like Coleman type of chairs. Yeah, yep, and a heel a roll hits my chair throws me out of my chair forward wo and I look and there's this I'm gonna say it's a boulder. It's a bigger rock than I can It's a couple hundred pounds man. And I was just like, holy crap, this thing wanted to kill me. Ohud have been dead. Yeah, so mind you again. We're taking pictures.

45:10 We have flear, we have all these different type of cameras. I use a special camera and Olympus A four really for underwater photography, but I use it on investigations because when you're they have an algorithm in there where you capture the scene. But it helps to add light to the photo where it'll so it's like a dark camera. It's something with very little lux but without any manipulation of the actual image. That's why I liked it. Okay, that's so I and of Records video. Okay. Cool. So after a while, once that final blow with that rock happened, that pressure we felt, yeah, disappeared. It was like like an elephant came off my chest.

45:52 I'm like, holy crap. So we're breathing, and I said, you know what we've been here to, let's final goes. Yeah, let's move to the next destination. So this is probably about I'm gonna say ninish nine o'clock something like that. Whatever. So we start walking, put our head, get lamps on, get our gears, and I'm packing my stuff up. But I had a little backpack and I put the camera in the bag and I said, nope, Brian, don't be that guy that is the one that has the camera in the bag. Said, I put it in my breast pocket. So we start walking. There's three of us. Now it's a beautiful night, full moon, great stars, the country, and we're at a point in the lake where we're at the top of that point of the lake where you can see out and I can see from where I was I'm in the north. So if I'm in the north, the west is to my right, East is to my left, and the south is straight ahead. And as we're walking, I see this orange like object.

46:45 It looks like an incandescent light. And I'm thinking, oh, it's helicopter. And we're walking and we all stop and it's going from west to east and it starts flying right and I say, what is that? And I point to it and then it goes. It stops when I say that, and it comes right towards us. What So my brain is, ooh, this is getting really interesting. At this point, this thing starts flying to us. It's hovering maybe twenty feet above us. You can't see it. It's like a i'm gonna say, like an eye shape, like the shape of an eyeball, like an almond, and it's just at the distance where you can see. It's like black, like gun metal black, but you can't really see anything. And we're paying it's Al, myself and Bill, and Al's praying at this point because he doesn't want any of us to get abducted. Oh please don't let him get up. I don't want the responsibility at this point. I've had my camera and a'm videotaping, so I said, I see it. I see it's right there. And this video if you want Bronxville Paranormal Society YouTube, you'll see the orange video. And let's steny with headphones because it's important. And you hear this little sound that's going on, you you know, like a motorist sound of like a musical sound.

48:02 And right, so Al says, and you hear him in the video time check and I say, nine to fifteen okay, from where we are with this UFO to get to the next location is five minutes, no more than that. And you hear Bill after a while he sounds like a zombie. It's just looking at us something like that. I forgot what it is, oh man. And then the next thing, it beams that light down on us. So we shut our headlamps up, beats the light on us, and then it's over and we go, wow, okay, let's walk to the next location. So we walked to the next location. That's the open area I talked about in the beginning where you get We got to yep. So we're hanging out there. We set up the chairs, I'm setting my stuff up. I jerry rigged Bill's camera so he has a side monitor you can look at it, and he has an SD card in it.

48:51 And our psychic said, we're going to see these like gnomish things that are there. And I start seeing things in the woods, from gnomes to taller beings that are there just out of the eye. And these gnomes are moving back and forth. I said, do you see the those things moving back and forth from tree to tree? And Bill and now looking at this thing, and he goes, oh my god, I can't believe we're videotaping this. So they started there were videotaping these things go back and forth, and then I'm like, oh, this is incredible. And at one point Al sees an orb over the on the water and he says, Bri, you take your laser. They had a green lazer, we had a red laser. Were I tell you three, we'll hit it. Let's see what we get a reaction, and we do that and the thing this disappears and we're like, dude, this is great. We got this video. Let's go look at it again. So we try to look at it again and we see it. You can see when you hit record, you see it in the countdown clock, and we're recording it. Try to use it. Card won't work and I'm like, I'm like, there's no way. This is an SD card, so it's no mechanics and it should should have been recording.

49:59 So okay, you know what, Let's give Sydney a call again. Time check and mind you, this has been like no more than ten twenty minutes nothing more in total from traveling over to that area. And I go ten to ten to twelve and he said what And I'm like, and I look at him, like ten to twelve, what the hell is that? Oh? We got to give Sydney a call, So we start giving her. We call her up right now, she's an hour behind. She's central right Arkansas. And she said, what the hell's going on with you guys? You said it might be sound better Cindy. And as we're talking, we hear what sounds like Bill's away from us in the woods videotaping, okay, and we hear what sounds like a family out in the woods at twelve midnight on Halloween. It's like they're going for a walk in the park.

50:45 So we hang up on Cindy and we say, listen, put your lights on because we don't want to freak these people out. They come around the woods, so we all put our lights on. We're three guys with machetes. Three you guys and machetes. So we're waiting and we're waiting and waiting. Nothing comes. So we walk over there. We look, there's nobody there, not a soul. Whoa. We don't hear them anymore. We get sitting back on the phone. I was like, look, we heard these people, and like she goes, no, those people aren't there. They'll be there tomorrow. You're in a space time rip right now. Oh my goodness. So we're like, okay, this is getting weird. Whatever. So okay, and she goes, yeah, they'll be there tomorrow. I said, yeah, we saw these different beings which are the elementals, which she said we would I said, I told you. And after a few minutes, about twelve o'clock we're on the phone with maybe five minutes, we decide it's been a long night. Let's pack up. We'll go and we walk and we're walking out of this place and not one of us is discussing anything that took place between the bipedal Krypton, the UFO incident, the missing time and time space rip, and normally we go to an investigation.

51:49 Afterwards we will go to a diner and talk about these different things, and we didn't. So long story short, everybody went their separate ways and I'm driving back to the city like scanning this. The next day, I wake up and I have this awful metallic tase in my mouth and flam it. I breathe it up and I spit out and I look, my tongue is blue. It looks like I ate a smurf. Okay. So I called my buddy and I'm like, oh, you have something weird going on with you or anything, because I told him about the the metallic tases. It looks like I eat a smurf. He goes, so what about Bill? He know alsays, I feel like there's something hard on my lip, got a headache and I had a little bump in my head. I said, go call Bill and then get back to me and let's find out. So at that point, my wife comes in with my two kids from the Sunday school and they go Daddy and I have no shirt on what happened to you?

52:39 I'm like, what are you talking about? When I'm to those bruises, I have two bruises, one over here and one on my body. I'm like, I never hid anything. So Al comes back on. I said, dude, I got bruises on my body. What the hell's going on? He goes. Bill woke up screaming like bloody murder in the middle of the night. He scared the hell out of his mother. So that was it for that extual addition, we made an agreement that if we were going to get redressed, we do it together. But I have a lot of people in the investigation business, and one of my friends, Derek Tyler, he who saw the video of the UFO. He says, I said, Derek, what do you think it is? He goes. I said, you're being downloaded. So basically we were being abducted. I said, well, think about regressing. He don't you sleep well? I said, yeah, I sleep all right. I know it's hard for me to go to sleep, but do you have nightmares? No, don't regress. You'll never be able to go back. Whoa wild So I said, okay, cool. Fast forward. That was October. We go to the summer of that. The next year, we decided to go back to the area.

53:40 We're all being drawn to it, and as we're there, we're drawn to it, Bills there and whatever, and we're walking to where we were and there's no way in hell this thing can be over there. Move through these woods from point A to point B when it went right, and then no way. So we walked a little bit further into a swampy area and Bill's videotaping and Al gets a higher perspective and I see it right after. Bat now goes, oh my god, look we find a den. So Bill starts trying to go get closer. There, he steps in, he almost we almost lose him in a swamp the mud, takes a video. He goes back home later that night and I'm like, this is cool. He's watching the video. His mom goes, what are those monkeys doing there?

54:22 So like what? So I see the video. It's huge. It looks like a pup growling and clearly a werewolf type of wolfman type of animal creature. And this was what was in the den, and we were able to blow that up. Oh dude, if you go to the Bronxville Paranormal Society, and you look at the Nuclear Lake investigation, they'll see the images. I was looking at it so many different times. I've seen it on screens the size of my phone all the way up to eighty five inch TV sets, and I missed it. It's why you don't edit your own homework or papers. You're going to miss things. Yeah, my partner was talking about something. Someone went in there and they circled from the actual image. Just one that looks like a dog man peeking over the wall and you'll see the wall where we were, and another one that looks like a big like a giant monkey. Okay, it's a little bit blobby, but it's not as Bobby as you think. It's clearly looks like Harry from Harry and the Henderson.

55:16 Yep. So that's my interaction with I don't want to think I'm looking at time here and I don't want to kill you. My goodness, this is dude, this is one of my and it's such a like this episode shouldn't have happened, really, if you think about it, because I've never to be honest, Brian, you've never heard of me. I've never heard of you, and Kenny just happened to say, Hey, Brian, can you take my place? And I'm so glad I got to talk to you, dude. You rock. I do my own research, but I'm usually in all these groups. But this the current way of things going now. It's not research as an investigators. It's a lot of storytellers and they're telling some crazy stories that it's getting exaggerated and it's actually hurting the investigation of the research totally. But we have other We call this a plan B. So when we plan on doing A we can't, we go to Plan B.

56:08 And a lot of times Plan b's are very productive. There's another time, close to New York State, we're supposed to go shooting one day closed we did Plan B. We found a whole area. We're in a park in New York State, I'm saying New York. We found a mother and child footprint of a bigfoot. Yeah, and I don't have casting material, but I did have a light our phone, so yeah, light our image of this. Yeah. It's yeah, So Brian, I could I could literally talk to you for hours and plus you get the whole Yeah, I'm going to have you come back one day and you get the whole Berkshires in northwestern Connecticut area. You get it, dude. I'm but basically years of my life there. Yeah. And now it's off to Florida for the s Gumpcape.

56:53 So when I go, you go. Can you share with the listeners like how they can best keep up to date with what you're doing. I'll put it in the show now. Sure. Right now I'm in between my podcast because I'm moving, so I have that stuff situated. But I'm on all the podcasts under inside the Goblin Universe. I do one with Ron Murphy or Ron the Crypto Guru Murphy, and I do my own Nobo Boomy with stands for nobody but me. I'm on every piece of social media when I'm not being kicked off from being political on certain things protecting everybody's rights. But you can direct message me if you have any questions. I will just say, hey, I heard you're on Bigfoot Society, so I have a reference of where you're coming from. And I will eventually have Bronxhil Paranormal Society in the New York City UFO project. You say satisfat dot org, but I will have Brian Boden dot com up and running soon and that will also have links to get to these other our websites and just look for our groups BRONXIL Paranormal Side, New York State UFO project on Facebook. Fantastic, fantastic, oh Man, Brian, thank you so much for coming on and you're talking to you in the future leads to day. Thanks again, sir. I just wanted to take a few minut It's to say thank you to you all my listeners for listening to the podcast. Please take a minute to help out the show by subscribing on YouTube, making sure you hit the bell so you don't miss any notifications, and share the episode on YouTube with a friend.

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