Bigfoot and Mountain Lions of Western Pennsylvania with George Workman (Bigfoot Society Classic)

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one episode. All right, this
is Jeremiah with the big Foot Society Podcast.

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Thanks for coming back, and I've
got George Workman with me tonight from

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Flat Squatch Productions. Uh, George, pleasure to meet you. Why don't

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you go ahead and uh tell a
little bit about yourself? Yeah? Thanks,

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Jeremiah for having me on. I've
been I've been researching Bigfoot and those

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kinds of cryptic entities i'd say since
about twenty thirteen is and I kind of

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really got curious into this field by
a profession I'm an it professional, okay,

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but strictly you know, for this
kind of topic. You know.

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That's that's about when I started twenty
thirteen. Yeah, We've had all kinds

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of crazy experiences. You know.
I started out just just curious, you

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know, like most people. You
know, I kind of got sucked into

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YouTube and things like that and that
I wanted to see for myself, and

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uh, you know, we started
have having things happened, so so I

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got I got the bug, you
know. That's awesome. And then I've

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been doing it ever since. You
know, I'm MAP reports, so try

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to help people kind of break into
the topic, you know, just sharing

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what I know about things. Currently, I've recently started a YouTube channel and

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got on Facebook and started groups,
and I think I met you on Reddit.

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That's a new one for me.
Yeah, yeah, it's a new

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one for me too. There's some
that are slash Bigfoot is an interesting animal

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in itself, right, Yeah,
some good stuff. Yeah, yeah,

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it is. It's it's really nice. So I thought there it's kind of

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a tough crowd in there. But
that's a bit, you know, yeah,

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but that's good. We love you
Reddit, we love you. So

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yeah. Yeah, I like the
group and or the the reddit thread or

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subreddit whatever it's called. And yeah, I just make a video. I

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go out into the woods. You
know, I do this too. I

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don't just talk to people about it, so, which is fantastic. Yeah,

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and that is that's awesome. Like, uh, your YouTube channel has

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a lot of really really cool stuff
on it. Do you definitely get out

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there and maybe to lead you a
little bit, but I mean you're from

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the western Pennsylvania area around Chestnut Ridge, which you know should set off some

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bells in the listeners ears depending on
you know, what other things they've seen.

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But uh, that's that's a pretty
cool area. You know. I'm

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from western mass myself, but I've
been through through PA and it can get

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pretty wild out there, especially in
that corner. So it's very cool.

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Yeah. I mean, like you
said, it's a long history you know

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of the Chestnut Ridge, you know, and the seventies and eighties, you

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know, Stan Gordon's talking about UFOs
and bigfoot, you know, taking reports

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from the eight Police, you know, the State Police. There were so

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many reports there at that time.
The State Police would just send him to

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Stan Gordon. And then, you
know, Stan Gordon had multiple groups and

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that evolved into Pennsylvania Bigfoot Society and
that's that's the first group that I actually

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joined and started researching reports. So
yeah, and there's still reports there to

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this day. I just had somebody
sent me a cell phone recording of something

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howling off the ridge from downtown Dairy, you know, two minutes ago.

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Oh yeah. The guy was just
you know, it's in the shutdown right

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now, so things are kind of
quiet. Yeah, and he started hearing

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this noise outside of his window and
just put his phone out and started hitting

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record, and you know, wouldn't
you know it? The sound that we

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actually that he sent me was the
same thing that I recorded ten miles from

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my house, which really that far
away from you know, two years ago.

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So you know, you can't always
put your finger on what these things

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are some people, everyone has their
own opinion, but you know, I

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have a good feel for what I
think is not normal. Oh yeah,

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yep, And you have some on
your your channel. You have some really

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crazy audio. I mean it,
it's it sounds cool, So the listeners

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definitely need to go check that out. It is from a few years ago.

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I think we're talking about the same
video, but it's solid. Like

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I was kind of taken aback by
by the sound of it was good stuff.

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Man. I've also heard you talk
of an interesting story about how you

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first back when you first got into
into big Foot, and it has to

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do with your now life and how
how you know she's kind of she's good

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to go. Maybe tell that story
about about what your honeymoon entailed, you

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know. Yeah, So, like
I said earlier, I got sucked into

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big Foot from YouTube. You know. I found this channel Facebook Fine big

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Foot, and you know, I
probably watched one hundred videos. And I

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didn't really think about big Foot much. I mostly paid attention to UFOs and

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stuff like that. But I started
watching all these videos and I'm like,

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wow, this, why is there
a hundred of these videos? They look

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so similar, they're very shaky.
So I said, this is probably these

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can't all be fake. So so
we decided, okay, let's let's do

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something fun for the honeymoon. Let's
go on a big foot trip. I

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didn't know what to do, so
I just googled it and there was an

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at Salt Force State Park. They
had this event for new people or whoever

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you know, to go there and
have a big foot camping trip. So

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we went there. It's a few
hours from my house. Yeah, and

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we we kind of you just show
up, you start camping like anybody else.

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And next thing, you know,
it's nighttime and they're like, let's

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go. I'm like, where are
we going? You know, just where

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are we going? So yeah,
it was very strange fan it, and

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uh, we we just get into
cars and start following people. We start

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going out in the woods, just
walking. I'm in one team, she's

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in another team. It's dark,
you know, we have flashlights, you

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know, and you know, I
walked probably a couple hundred yards at least

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in my team, and I start
hearing wood knocks, you know, and

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I know what that is. Yeah, because I and they were just right

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there and I thought, Okay,
what's going on? You know, is

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this really And it was just interesting, you know. We just hung out

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there for a couple hours, came
back. My wife was pissed off because

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she got separated into another group,
which is typical. But but but in

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her group, her and the guy
next to her, you know, we're

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kind of walking single file in the
dark, you know, in a field

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that's not mode, you know,
it's just this weird place. And they

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started hearing heavy footsteps and I mean, you can imagine heavy footsteps, you

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know, that's not something I've ever
experience, but it's kind of kind of

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freaky, especially in this environment.
And that that guy grabbed onto her arm

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and they were they were pretty scared, man. And you know, we

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so we ended up regrouping back at
the camp that night. This is the

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first night we ever did this,
just to show up going the field what

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would knocks footsteps? And so we're
sitting there camping and I'm trying to sleep,

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you know, and which was kind
of awkward, and we and then

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I heard this scream, just like
percussive, reverberating scream. Wow, just

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at three thirty in the morning,
you know, you know how it is

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when you sleep somewhere and you're not
really sleeping that well, and it just

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I don't know, I don't know
what it was, but it didn't sound

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normal. She heard it too,
and I asked her about whoa man,

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it was scary man, because you
just, yeah, you put yourself in

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that context. And I don't know, it's probably doesn't sound like much,

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but it was to us at the
time, and that was our first night.

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No, dude, nothing good happens
between three and four in the morning,

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Like that's when the weird stuff happens, right man, M yeah,

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and you're a half asleep, and
wow, that must have been freaky stuff.

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And you know what the funny thing
is, the next morning we told

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everybody and they told us it was
a woodpecker. I guess woodpeckers are up

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at three in the morning screen,
Yeah, I guess, right, yeah,

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yeah, who knew. Hmm,
that's interesting. So I believe I've

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heard you mentioned two that. So
you've been on multiple expeditions, Is that

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correct? That's correct? Got more
than ten something like that, like it's

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a lot or yeah. I mean, I guess it depends on what the

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definition of an expedition is. You
know, I go out at least once

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once a month, you know,
with my buddies, maybe two or three

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other people, and just hang out
for the night. I guess unextended trips,

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you know, a couple of days. Yeah, definitely more than ten.

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A couple of times a year.
I'll do something like that a lot

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of people. Very cool. Yeah, and you've I believe you've been on

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actual like bf R O trips.
Correct. Yes, last year I went

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on my first bf r OH trip
actually that honeymoon trip was. There was

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bf O guys there too, so
it wasn't an official one, but they

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helped out. But yeah, last
last summer I went to Ohio and did

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a bfr O trip and oh wow, actually casting my first footprint there.

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It was it was actually really good. That is cool. That's cool.

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So during the expedition you got to
cast a footprint, that's cool. Yeah,

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they had a sighting the night before. It was a whole and the

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sighting I could tell you about it
if you want. No, I was

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actually going to just lead into that. Would you mind painting the picture of

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what that expedition was like? And
went? It entailed? Yes, sir,

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So it was. It was two
or three probably three days, three

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nights in south central Ohio. I
won't say where it was because they're still

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going there. Ye, but the
so there was a there was a probably

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fifty sixty people there it was well
organized. It was a location where the

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homeowner had had ongoing activity in a
state park, and they had been researching

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it and they felt that it was
currently active, so that's why they chose

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that location. So there was three
campsites a few miles apart from each other,

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and you were able to select which
one you wanted to go to.

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So I scanned all of them first. And and I'll tell you what,

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man, if you follow bigfoot stuff, I'm sure you've heard of tree structures,

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right, Oh, yeah, definitely. So this place was just off

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the hook for tree structures. I
could just drive down the road and see

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them, you know, left,
right, left, right. They were

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all over the place. So to
me, that was a good indicator that

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this is hot. So I camped
right next to a spot that had tree

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structures all over the place, and
they we set up the first night.

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They split us up into like six
groups. And I like to be stationary

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at night. I don't like to
walk at night because I can't see,

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and I don't I think the value
for me is more stationary because I can

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record things and see and whatever.
But the group that was that was set

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up right near where I was camped
had a sighting and they saw it on

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a thermal. There was like three
people, so that was big news.

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And I actually figured out where it
was. It was right near where I

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was camped, which wasn't where I
was for the night, but so yeah,

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so eventually the last day I made
my way back to I figured out

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where they saw it because they didn't
tell everybody, and I found tracks all

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right near where they said they saw
it and all kinds of structures. We

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got two footprint casts. I mean
there was bears there. I think there

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was a bear walking through my camp, but I mean it's it's as you

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know, it's not easy to get
footprint cast, especially ones with toes in

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it. You know, it's hard. So I was happy, you know,

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it was pretty fun. That is
awesome. That is that's a cool

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story. That's cool stuff. To
give a little bit more to your to

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your background as well, So you
you're an IT professional, It sounds like

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you're so you're heavy into data and
you've done a lot of really cool projects

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kind of compiling data to do with
with big Foot, but also with mountain

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lions as well. Would you would
you mind sharing some info about that.

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I think that's very interesting. Yes, So so just as fast October,

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I had a guy that lives on
the Chestnut rich same place that we had

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just talked about, okay, and
he messaged me and said, hey,

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I'd like you to come onto my
house. And I said, okay,

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what's going on. We'll be back
with more Bigfoot society after these words from

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our sponsors. He said, I
just wanted to talk about bigfoot and stuff

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like that. And then he mentioned
that his friend, his neighbor, the

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guy that lives next door, said
that he hit a mountain lion with his

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car and killed it. And I
thought, okay, that sounds pretty interesting

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because as you know, in Massachusetts
and almost every other Eastern state, according

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to state officials, there are no
mountain lions here. It's extremely rare.

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Right, There's one from Connecticut,
what ten years ago? So I thought,

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okay, well, I thought he
had a picture of it. Okay,

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he actually didn't have a picture of
it, but we did an interview

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and just got his story, and
that's how I got into the mountain line.

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So so I started looking into it
and here it turns out, you

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know, this is all new for
me starting last year, that seeing a

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mountain line in Pennsylvania or any of
these other states. It is kind of

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like seeing a Bigfoot. You know, if you tell somebody that they don't

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believe you. Wow, you know, you could call the state and they'll

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come out and they're just like they
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my mind. Yeah, that blows
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a mission. Then I thought,
I thought, you know what I could.

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I can do this just as easily, the same as I do Bigfoot.

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So I started mapping all the reports
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think we have over two hundred,
two hundred and fifty reports just from you

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know, the past twenty thirty years, and I map them out. You

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can see the clusters, you can
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well, there's kind to be other
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right, So so I found I
found a bunch of people, researchers that

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that have did what I attempted to
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bigger scale. But it was you
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ago. So so I'm trying to
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I actually did find them here.
There's a woman. Her name's Helen

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McGinnis. She lives in West Virginia. She wrote a book about this in

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nineteen eighty two. Wow, because
there was a mountain lion that was killed.

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It was shot officially, the Game
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of it. There's no there's no
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They shot it. Man. So
this lady wrote a book about three hundred

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reports all the mountain lion sightings.
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and she never published it because she
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that she she doesn't even believe that
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she did all this research, but
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never acknowledged it. Wow. How
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you know. I think they're here. I think they are. I don't

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think all these people are making it
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a bobcat and mount Line is way
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a Bob kidding. Oh man,
how crazy? Yeah? So I lived

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in the go ahead even in Massachusetts. I was gonna say, you know,

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in Connecticut there's groups of pop up
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you've heard of it. Yeah,
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in like north central western mass and
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a mountain lion come down to the
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I want to say five to six
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get into the center of Des Moines
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an elementary school and it was stalking
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police just you know, caught shot, of course, because you can't have

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a mountain lion stock in your elementary
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But like that was nuts. But
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mountain lions, definitely. And do
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do they do they acknowledge that they're
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don't know, that's a good question. I have to look into it.

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lions everywhere, like it's definitely not
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not seen often. Yeah, probably
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probably not often. But yeah,
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database you got going is pretty cool, and you've got Facebook groups that keep

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that information together, right if you
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Bigfoot group is called Bigfoot dog Man
info Library. That's our Bigfoot group that

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I did first. And then the
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Pennsylvania Info Library. Kind of the
same naming structure. Cool. Cool,

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But we talked about any of the
Eastern states. You know. We have

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thousands of people in these groups and
anybody that wants to talk about it can

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share information. I was looking through
your your Bigfoot group in the last few

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days, some really cool stuff in
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oh, and one of your somewhere
you referenced there was was it the Carbondale

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White big Foot? That video is
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and that just like I was like, nah, no, thanks, man.

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I went to school for a year
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so I know where Carbondale is and
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like, oh, man, I
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It looks pretty realistic to me.
You know, of course, any video

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you see as a matter of opinion
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near that one in Carbondale, and
there's there's probably seven or eight other ones

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in Pennsylvania. And yeah, it's
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going to tell you. There was
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how read it is or Facebook.
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hey, has anybody seen one here? You know, and this guy just

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he said that they were in a
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of busses, and they had been
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They were just in there camping,
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a couple other human beings like camping, hunting, fishing, not too far

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away. And he said that what
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hairy creature that was stalking these people. And he was he was watching it

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from his camper, you know,
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was real jerky, you know,
it kind of moved and it would hide

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behind trees and duck. But he
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he got the witness the supposed bigfoot
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out right, and he was he
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him that video that you just mentioned. He said, oh man, he

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said, I got the chills.
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oh man. Because it's like then
you think, okay, he's a curiosity

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or what is this bigfoot doing?
Is it messing it curious? Is it

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hunting? Like? Oh, it
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Yeah, you had alluded to in

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a message or you tagged me.
So you've been recently out to Minnesota and

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you have some cool stuff to share, It sounds like or that you could

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mention. Yeah, yeah, I
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So my friend Randy, he's lives
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with me for probably the last year
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I told you in southern Ohio all
those tree structures, yeah, that I

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could just see, you know.
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and then when I went into the
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So at Randy's place, it's very
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to he would ask me questions,
Hey, what do you think I should

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do? You know here? You
know this? And then he had so

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many pictures. I thought it was
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abreast on what's happening. And you
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I thought, you know, I
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vacation. I'm going to go up
there. Screw it, you know,

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it's eighteen hours away, but I'm
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So we went, and you know, I have thermal, I have night

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vision, I have trail cameras.
I thought, okay, let's let's do

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this. So I set up I
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different kinds and I set them up
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I had him running for three days
on a time lapse mode. So they

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weren't in uh, you know,
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weren't capturing motion. They were just
taking pick every so often, you know,

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every thirty seconds, they would take
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we we went. We were there
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tree structures that he had showed me
in person. He had reported there was

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a sighting that he had a week
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to put put one of the cameras
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going on smart and yeah, we
we we got some stuff on our cameras,

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which I was kind of surprised,
but we got it. The first

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night we were there, there was
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for hours. Really we look,
we look up there's just stars flying

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back and forth, kind of cutting
through. Wow. I mean they weren't

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close, but you know they were, they were flying around. So I

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got those on video just that.
I probably ten videos of that. I

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mean that's not often you get pictures
videos of UFOs. No, not really,

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I don't think it is that's worth
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I got a picture of a UFO, which I think it's a UFO.

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take two pictures, right one two
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where this is going. There's only
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in the second picture, and you
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propeller yep, right, there's no
there's no tail. It's just this round

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circular object that is there. That's
awesome. And then I also got this

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dark figure right where he told me
that he he had seen it. That's

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by the power lines that picture,
is that right, that's right? Maybe

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I saw that. Yeah, that
is very cool because uh, not to

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steal your thunder, but you actually
you have someone go out to the same

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area and you're like comparing, comparing. Yeah, it's very very legit.

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gonna say it's bigfoot because I can't prove

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it either way. But I can
just tell you what, you know,

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what I've seen, and so that
power lines it's thirty it's thirty yards across,

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it's one hundred and twenty five yards
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foot drop which I didn't realize in
that post that you saw, so I

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could compare me, which is on
the reference. It's the same size as

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me, but there's it's cut off. So they're a black bear, you

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know that that walked across hidden under
the three foot drop, or and then

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stood up for one picture six feet
tall, just randomly, or you know,

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it's something else, right, and
it could be a bear. It

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definitely could be, but it was
exciting to get that. That's awesome.

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Yeah. Yeah, we also got
orbs too, but you know, hey,

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it's a lot. That's a lot. Yeah, that's a lot that

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they Oh but you know UFO in
Bigfoot, they seem to go together usually

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like being a butter and jelly.
You know, it's crazy, you know,

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it is like most people just have
a story. You know, we

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actually have pictures this time, so
I have evidenced the show. So I'm

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happy about that. I'm curious and
you don't have to get into super details,

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you know, for for safety of
this gentleman. But like it's just

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always this. So they're in Minnesota
and northern it just kind of curious about

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that. We'll be back with more
Bigfoot Society after these words from our sponsors.

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Yeah, it's his group is called
Randy's Bigfoot Research Okay, Facebook,

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Okay, and it's north central Minnesota. Okay, gotcha. Cool, that's

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where it is. So if anyone
wants to join Heat Post videos all the

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time, that's awesome, so very
cool. We'll see them for yourself and

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we will be doing a documentary about
this all the evidence. Oh really,

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Oh that's cool. I was looking
through You have a really interesting documentary on

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flat squash productions. I like it. It's really cool. Can you give

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me it's about the research work of
a certain gentleman. Is that correct?

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That's correct? Yeah, no,
but I if people haven't gone to your

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YouTube channel, definitely go and check
that out. There must have been a

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ton of work that went into putting
that together. Yeah, it really.

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The work was done by my friend
John red Chun, That's who it's about.

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It's called red Chun on the Ridge
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same place he's been going there for
fifteen years, man, and he's

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the real deal. Like, wow, we're talking a guy that went out

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every morning, like four or five
times a week to this place to do

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this. And that's where I got
a lot of my ideas for these cameras

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and where to put them in the
settings. But if you saw it just

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at the end, I mean,
he's got a plus footprints, he's had

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two sightings, he's got five or
six different heads and faces captured in the

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in the pictures, you know,
so you know, he was just somebody

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that people can look to, you
know, as in my opinion, is

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a really good person that that really
tried his best to get evidence and see

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them. And you know, he
even missed them a couple of times.

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Like his his one sighting, he
had his camera in his hand and he

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didn't he didn't get it and it
was too shocked, like he didn't know

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what he was looking at. And
by the time he did, it was

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gone. Yeah it happened so quick. Yeah from what I hear. Yeah,

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yeah, but thanks, yeah.
Yeah. Looping back to we've we've

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mentioned stick structures a few times already. Yeah, I'm sure most of us

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have have seen pictures of them,
But just as someone who's seen so many

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of them, what are the main
things that when you're going out on these

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expeditions and what are the main giveaways
that you know you're looking for to know

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that this is a stick structure from
a big foot and maybe not a blowover

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or you know, just a fallen
tree. What are the main giveaways that

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people or people could look forward to
know the difference in your opinion, Yeah,

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that's a really good question, especially
for casual observers and hikers. You

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know, if you're just hiking on
a path, you're just driving down a

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road, if you see a pinned
arch, you know, which would be

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a tree that's kind of bowed over, okay, and that's just the tip

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of it. A lot of times
they're still alive, but just the tip

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of it will be under deadfall and
it's keeping the whole thing in place,

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so it's a huge kind of bent
over arch. Those are the easiest ones

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to see amongst the other normal trees
that are standing up. You know,

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there's some that kind of just fall
over that way naturally, but the tips

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aren't pinned under other trees. You
know, if you study the environment that

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the that tree might be in you
know, most of the time you'll be

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able to tell that that didn't occur
naturally, that it looks like somebody with

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hands manipulated to look like that.
So you know, because it's if you

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see an arch of arch shaped tree, it's not natural like most of the

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trees are standing up or slanted or
you know, at some weird angle.

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But but a pin arch will really
jump out. So that's what I would

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say to look for. That's awesome, very cool, Thank you, thank

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you. What is uh? What's
coming up next? What do you have

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any plans for future future trips or
expeditions or what's coming up next for George.

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Let's see, this year we have
the the Pennsylvania Bigfoot Projects, which

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is Mary Fabian's group. She has
a group camp out that'll be a week

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long in July, so that'll be
fin We also have a mountain lion trip

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plan for Mishaw State Forests. I
got an inside tip there where to go.

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There's a guy in the in the
nineties who told me that he got

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a video of a mountain lion and
the game commission took his video. And

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the funny thing is I was there
last year and I told my buddy,

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who research is there? I told
him to go to this spot and here

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a year later, some other guy
tells me he's got a mountain lion there.

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But yeah, so we're going there
and August or late late August,

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I think, and depending on you
know, how this disclosures have shut you

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know, changed a lot of people's
plans exactly, so a lot of my

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stuff will just be local. We
we always go out and put out cameras

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almost every weekend different places, so
that's always ongoing. You know, a

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bunch of videos coming up, like
I said that documentary and yeah, so

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how the Bigfoot? You know,
how are things going for you in Iowa?

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Have you have you had any experience
or there's there is an Iowa believe

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it or not, there's an Iowa
Bigfoot group. There's not a lot of

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action that comes out of it that
I've seen. And I'm trying to make

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my connections right now because it's still
kind of new for me. There's a

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00:36:29.159 --> 00:36:39.280
great episode that Shannon LaGrow from Into
the Fray put out about experiences in Iowa

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with Bigfoot that is it's crazy.
So I mean, well, here's the

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thing. If you go to southeast
or southwest Iowa, and you're driving along

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it's not flattened corn It literally looks
like have you ever been in Vermont before?

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No? I have. Okay,
well, just imagine the hilly roads

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of Pennsylvania. Maybe not the crazy
ones, but you'll you can imagine that

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you're in New England really quick.
So there's definitely spots for these guys to

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hide in the southern part of the
state. Now where I am in kind

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of north it maybe I don't know, in the middle of the cornfield,

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but you know my things. I
like to get the story behind the people

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that are in the community. I
enjoy doing that. Eventually, I want

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to get more into going to to
festivals. Right now, we have a

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local festival in Van Meter, Iowa
that I go to every year about the

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Van Meter Visitor. I don't know
if you've ever looked this up. You

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need to look it up. I'll
give you the short version pretty much.

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In the late eighteen hundreds, there's
a pterodactyl creature with a beam of light

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coming out of its head that terrorized
the town. The town people chased it

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into a mine on the outsides of
skirts of town and then blasted it uh,

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but it's still seen today and there's
kind of a fun little uh festival

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we have every year and like Ja
Pacho Chin from Wisconsin was there last year,

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and Lynda Godfrey, you know dog
Man of course she was there,

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and it's just kind of a fun
thing. So as this you know,

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podcast grows and grows, you know, I want to start getting into those

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opportunities of you know, maybe going
to Ohio big Foot Conference or going out

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to the Pacific Northwest and you know, actually getting into stuff like you're you

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know, you're able to do.
So thank you for asking me that.

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That was really nice at this time. Do you mind if before we you

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know, maybe wrap things up,
but would you be able to you know,

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I guess plug what it is that
you would want people to follow you

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00:39:00.800 --> 00:39:06.280
at, you know, if you
have any uh, you know, your

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your top content that you're really proud
of and I already know what the answers

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are, but you know, just
go ahead and throw that out there so

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people can follow you to George,
Yes, thank you. Yeah, to

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check out our videos really at Flat
Squash Productions on YouTube. That's our channel

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00:39:22.760 --> 00:39:27.440
and the big Foot dog Man Info
Library on Facebook. Just if you need

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00:39:27.480 --> 00:39:30.280
help or need questions. You know, I know some people in Iowa and

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I know some places to go,
so if you'd be interested in that,

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Yeah, yeah, Yellow Creek State
Park Is that in Iowa? I'm pretty

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sure that I'm sure it is down
because I'm going to look it up.

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But yeah, that's any kind of
questions like that. People can come in

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and in our group and say hey, where can I go? And yeah,

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definitely, you know, very cool, very cool. Then thanks a

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lot for having me on. I'm
going to look up that Yellow Creek State

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Park. That sounds that sounds cool. Yeah, yeah, thanks again George

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for coming on. We'll have to
have you on in the future for an

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update of what happens with that flat
Squash productions in the future. So thank

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you, yeah, thank you,
and feel free to share all your podcasts

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00:40:23.800 --> 00:40:27.480
and videos in our group as well, you know, oh, thank you,

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thank you. That'd be great,
awesome. Here a Bigfoot Society article

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is to provide a platform for those
that have encountered Bigfoot to share their encounter

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in a safe and respected environment.
But we need to hear your story.

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If you've experienced something that you just
can't explain, please send me an email

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00:40:47.840 --> 00:40:52.639
at Bigfoot Society at gmail dot com. Then we can start the conversation.

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And I know a lot of you
have not shared your encounter at all.

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It's been twenty years and it's time
that you get this off your chest and

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then you can get some well deserved
for rest, because I know you haven't

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00:41:07.440 --> 00:41:12.440
been sleeping. I understand what you're
going through, and I appreciate every one

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of you listening