Bigfoot Discovery Of The Year / Tod Samples & Doug Chez / Humboldt County, California

0:00 So I started noticing these deer acting really weird, like they kept looking over their shoulders, I mean, worse than normal, you know, because they're of their errors. And all of a sudden, I just heard this and it start breaking all these trees. You could hear all these limbs snapping. And the next thing, you know, a dough and its vawn had swam into the middle of the lake and it sounded like a gorilla breaking through the trees. I can hear something walking up and all of a sudden, I can feel in my back the footsteps walking up this creek here this, and I'm laying there wanting to unzip my tents and look out, but I was so scared i could not move. And I'm just later thinking this thing's gonna grab my tent and drag it into the forest. All right, big faciety, we got the pleasure of interviewing too. Gentle them in from the West coast of the United States tonight. We've got mister Todd Samples and Doug Shay.

1:07 They're both bigfoot researchers from Humboldt County, California. How's it going, gentlemen, Good going, really good. Yeah, we're having a great, great time out here in northern California. Awesome, awesome. I'm so glad that I get to talk to you guys tonight because I've had more than a few people. When something happens in the Bigfoot world, you can imagine that, you know, people start they throw a little messages in my way and they're like, hey, these guys found something cool. You should try to talk to them. And when that happens more than one time, it's like, Okay, I get the point. I need to touch these guys. So Todd I was super excited when when we finally set something up, it sounds like you've found some something really cool out there in Humboldt County. Well, um, it was on April thirtieth. We took a trip to see how far we could get up to go road been to this issue Force oh, and we got about ten miles in and we couldn't go go no further because you know, there's like, you know, two for your snow and we come across these two track ways. We thought it was just somebody had pulled up like we did before we got there, and walked up and walked back down. But when we got up to the tracks. You can see toes and we're like, oh wow, these aren't human, these are bigfoot.

2:29 I mean, when you sell the pictures, you can see the toes just so defined. So let's do a little bit of a context so people realize that we're not talking about going to a town where there's a highway right next to a wendy. So tell us a little bit about like what is what exactly is the go road and how far out is this thing and how hard is it to get to it? Oh, it's I mean, there's this area is desolated. I mean, there's no one up there. When we go up there, if we see one person, that's rare. We're usually the only ones up there. Were from our place in our cater.

3:15 It takes us at least a couple hours and a half to get to the go road. And it's way up in the in the mountains Willow Creek, which is you know, a famous before town, that's still a good hour and a half away. It's way up there. So it's a thing where if we find if you were to find tracks like this, there's a low, low likelihood that it was just a random dude walking around with a you know, bare feet. Oh yeah, that's just the area says one thing.

3:59 But you know you look at um, the tracks, the gate between the tracks, the size of the tracks. There's just no way it could be a human, No way at all. That is wild. Let me take a second here and go ahead and let's bring up some of those pictures so we can kind of see what we are talking about here. And those those prints. They were twelve twelve inches long by six inches wide, which isn't the hugest prints, but but there's I mean, there are still good size. I mean there are bigger than our our bootprints length in with plus in. Some of them you can actually see the uh um, the mid tars will break because the toes were pointed down, so the heel from the mid part or the the footprint back was flat and the and the toes were facing down about an inch. And then some of them you can see the drag the drag marks of the toes coming out of the snow, which which which is pretty cool. All right, here we go. Yeah, so we are we are rocking and rolling now, gentlemen. So um, so you can see this is what this print is actually one of them where the print the foot went all the way down to the asphalt. Oh wow.

5:30 But when when we jumped on the snow, our feet went down about an inch. This one here, I think is down about two or three inches, but there's some that actually had a deeper part of the snow. Went down four four inches five inches in the snow, and we couldn't even make barely an inch deep with our boots. That's jumping. How long did were you able to measure the tracks or the distance of the tracks or the track itself. The track itself, they're about twelve inches long and six inches wide, so it probably wasn't an eight foot squash, but probably about a six and a half foot maybe even a female. And how far apart were the tracks from each other in the trackway? Well, that's what was so interesting is and what also impressed me is every single footprint you could tell it was the same creature, but every footprint was slightly variable because of the fact that the snow was at depth, different depths and walking uphill, which we got some video. We'll have to get that over to you. Also, because when we first got there and I saw what we were about ready to encounter, because we had another friend with us. He was, look, there's toe prints. I quickly filmed it that uphill. It was a four to five foot gate and it went up over one hundred yards up the hill,

7:02 and then it came down the hill at a run, which was amazing because some of those were six inches deeper more and they were close to eight to ten feet minimum apart. Really, yes, oh my goodness. And there was no other prints around. It's not like, you know, if if it was us or someone else you would have fell, You wouldn't have The whole snowbank was completely clear except for the prints. The track ways. Wow, let's let's look at a few other of these here. Were there any things, any other things you noticed about the tracks that would make you think, okay, I'm looking at a big foot rather than a extremely large human.

7:49 Anything about the track else that you noticed at all? Mainly for me was it was the um the mid tars will break um. Just the depth and well also the uh the drag points on the toes when in some of them when the east when it comes out of snow, you see the toes uh dragging out of the because that those those were usually in the deeper prints. Interesting, Yeah, those were Wow, look at that. But just that big toe just stands out so and you can well this one here, you can see the other toes also, they're just well. We we definitely believe that these tracks were made that morning. We we got there about nine thirty nine, nine, nine thirty in the morning, because we left I think we left like seven o'clock that morning. And I mean these things were fresh. They had to be that morning or that night at the earliest.

8:56 Wow, because there was no other uh, um prints, no other marking. I mean, it was just I mean, it was just unbelievable. When you found these, we were just shocked. And and then I sent you a couple prints on they looked like a handprints or knuckle prints. Yes, I believe these ones right here. Interesting, there were a couple footprints below those, but we uh but those handprints or knuckle prints, I mean, I'm not sure which, but those were really need too. Now, those were actually on the side of the road at the beginning. There's like a little um, I don't know, a side, a little area.

9:39 Um it was just a little Patrick road. It was open and there was some prints in there, and that's where these these uh knuckle prints were at how bigger those knuckle prints. Oh, they just these prints were bigger than my hand really. Yeah, so through a knuckle prints there are still bigger than my fingers. I think we might have another one here too. And my hand is is eight inches long from the tip of my finger to the the end of my palm. Wow. And these hand prints were probably ten ten inches. Yeah. The reason why we didn't spend more time in that area because there had been other people in that area, so it was more um, you know, there were some human footprints, but it was right where a turn off is. It's the forest service road up there. But but we drove up a hair further and that's where we found those completely unadulterated prints. And you know, we'll have to try to send you some video on it too, because we have, like we have one video where Todd's walking and it takes three to four human steps to to do that eight to ten foot gate, and then we have another one where I'm filming it downhill and then Todd's up at the top, and then I have one. Fortunately, because we're kind of amateurs at this, we're quickly realizing. I thought

11:09 of myself, man, a, we're like in a crime scene, but not really one, you know, And so I thought, we just put a couple of our own prints here. I better film this right now. So we have one going uphill, and it is the longest that you could stretch out your legs is between each foot, I mean the absolute longest. There's no way you could do that without falling over. And then going downhill, they were much further apart. So we have a theory. We're not sure, but we're wondering if it heard us driving up in his truck and it ran down the hill, because I did hear a loud crash when I was up at the top. They were looking at the prints at the bottom of the hundred yard section and I was at the top and alson I heard a huge loud noise in the woods right to my right, really moving around in the woods. So I thought that was interesting, man. And I like this one because you actually have h looks like a wall for comparison.

12:11 There's cool. We actually had to tape tape measure in my truck. We just didn't even think about we were so excited. We were just taking pictures and and just we we we didn't think about pulling out the team measure. But my my wall is five five inches long, so yeah, we got twelve inches by six definitely. But that big toe just I mean that probably got me. That big toe. And in almost every picture that big toe is the same and it's just round and just so defined. How how big would you say, I'm just curious, how big would you say that that big toe is? It seems like it's very large. Oh yeah, it's a inch and a half. A couple of inches, wow, a couple of inches. You know, we got all they look at that, I mean, that's see that so you can see the mid tarsal break there, Yeah, where the snow is in the back to the heel, that's the back part, and then from the mid to the front where it hits the asphalt, that's where the mid tarso break is. And it the front of the foot went all the way to the to the asshalts. That is incredible, Like what a cool way to show it. And you're talking about like right here where this little fine needle is kind of our break point almost, yeah, man, And then we got wow, look at you can really

13:45 tell in this one. Look at that big toe. I believe this was the first one off the asphalt when the snow started. That's why it went always to the asphalt. The snow was only like three inches deep there, and that was like, I think that was the first one one that we saw. Wow. I mean, these are some of I would say probably the best snow track photos I've ever seen in terms of definition, because like usually you don't see a lot with with snow tracks because they're just melted beyond belief. Yeah, that's that's why we think these were so fresh. I mean, it couldn't be more than twelve twelve hours old because the snow was melting. This was April thirtieth. Uh, you know, there was water running down the road, snow was melting, and um, another you know, pretty prominent big Biffer guys said that these were probably the best snow prints ever found in uh in northern California. That's awesome, man, Wow, the best prince in the last ten years. And another thing along that lines too. That was encouraging to us because you always think, Okay, really, how good is this find. He actually was going to come down from Portland immediately to look at these, and we said, well, it's been raining so we're afraid it could be you know, melting. Well, he sent his friend from Happy Camp. Oh yeah, and he's he's someone that's

15:15 been in this research for forty years and he actually reported that he verified him. He says, they're real and they're the best put footprints I have seen in my entire life. Incredible, And so I'm going to ask maybe super basic bigfoot question, but I'm sure a few listeners are thinking as well, can you cast a track in the snow? Well, we were asked if we had cast him, and we said, well, we didn't know how to cast in the snow because if you pour plaster and it's just going to push it out because plaster is heavier than snow. But I guess there is a material that you can buy. I guess law enforcement you use it to track or to get casts from tire prints in the snow. Interesting. They said it's unexpensive, but you got buy it online, and so you know, eventually we'll probably buy buy some before we go up next next winter.

16:22 And another thing too, they said that if you make plaster of paris like almost like oatmeal, super thick, it won't it won't heat up quite as bad. And then Also you've seen that expandable foam. Gave a very good suggestion, which I know in the past I had thought about this method, but I didn't know exactly how to put it into action. But you spray the foam in there, then you put a piece of cardboard over it, and then you put something heavy on it, and so yeah, that would work in the snow. So that's that's something we're gonna do. But it's so funny every time we bring plaster of Paris, we have nothing happened, yeah, you know. And what's so amazing about these prints, especially the downhill, you could just see where they their toes, and every footprint was the same creature. But you would expect if it was a fake, they'd all looked like that, every single one of them. Right, Yeah, good point, And yet everyone had slight variations because of the snow, the depth of the snow, you know, how the snow was shaped. You know, all those various factors came into place. And that's what because I've always been one of those guys kind of like less stroud that you know, I think there's something out there because of all the experiences I've had in my life. But I want to see it to believe it, and I want to prove it that This to me kind of set me over that edge because I was like, no one could have faked these things. It was just

17:52 they were Each print was unique because of the just the slight variation of the snow, and so you probably weren't able to follow the track way into the woods a lot because of the snow. I'm guessing when we drove up, you know, obviously there was no snow, and then once the snow started, it went from about one hundred twenty yards and then there was more more the snow. Snow had melted, so it went from asphalt, the snow the asphalts. So we once they got onto the asphalt, we lost, you know, we lost the tracks and we looked. We couldn't really see anything in the woods, anything, any any different prints. And another another thing too, when it ran downhill, there was one last print and we couldn't tell for sure if it went into the woods, and it was extremely steep off the edge there. So we were looking for whatever we could find as far as in prints and so forth. But what's interesting, we went up two weeks later and we by that time we could make it up to a further distance, like three more miles, and the snow was at least two feet deep there. It was like a foot and a half here, but it was about two feet deep there. And there was another fellow with us and Todd and him we're holding back, and I just started walking up there and I found very similar tracks that were a few weeks old, or at least a week old. And I actually took a couple pictures and it almost looks like the identical print. And I walked around, but it was

19:23 just you can't verify it because they're just not nearest defined anymore. So I thought that was interesting too. So we think we're in a pretty good hot spot where we're at. And it's on and you may want a little more history about the Go Road or the absolutely the ones listening. It's in Orleans and it's called ic Road, and this is the famous road that they were going to try to build to connect with one in Haiuchi, which is near Crescent City. And it's like a little less than three miles before they connected. So this road is it's not really maintained that well, but it's still paved, but it's it looks like it used to be probably two lanes, but it's almost down to one lane now. And they all they do is each year they just cut out the debris and it's closed most of the year too. In fact, we went to a couple areas just this last weekend or on Thursday, and most of the gates to a lot of places are still locked, and they normally open them around the end of May. So this year, because of snow and other things, I think at least seven months of the year, these gates are locked and the go roads like your only access up to this place, and very few people go up there, even during hunting season. Last year we went up there with Todd and myself and his wife and it's hunting season. We didn't see one person. Wow, because it's it's it's hard to hunt hunted because of the train. It's just up, up and down. There's this I mean, the only access

20:56 is if you go on the roads or if you hike in the in the creeks, because you can't go you know from the I think he's just so steep. Do you have plans to research the same area again once the snow is gone? Oh? Yeah, Well, we were up there on Thursday, we're playing on going up there for a full weekend trip the Indus. I actually, when I think Tatan and all his buddies, his Bluff Creek guys are gonna GetUp there, No, that's I was gonna. I was gonna work that in. So there might be a little uh cross research going on there with with your group and maybe the Tates. Is that during BC nineteen that that they have the hike going on where they're gonna hike up creek or yeah, yeah, well yeah Tate and inviting me. I said, no, that's I'm not doing that. I'll kill me. Same same here.

21:55 I'm I like hard camping. If I can get through with my truck and then hike from there out a couple of miles, that's fine, But not hiking up Bluff Creek. That's that's gonna be a tough, a tough hike. I know it's it's rapids at the beginning, but that's that's literally a whole other episode that listeners can listen to. It's pretty wild. It's gonna be fun talking to them when they hopefully get back safe and sounds so that would be fun for them to check out for you guys to check out that same area during during the summertime. That would be very cool. Yeah, m hm. And so I'm guessing this is not your first rodeo when it comes to big bigfoot stuff, right, guys. No, we've I moved up here back in October of twenty sixteen, met Doug and we started, you know, we camping and backpacking once, and you know, we we we did a lot of camping, and and then we were we found out we both had a interest in big big foot. I probably had a bigger interest in bigfoot. And then you know, every time we've been camping, he was you know, camping with a purpose, purpose and we we actually had we've had a number of experiences together. I mean, he he's had a lot more. Guess he's he's been backpack camp here for years, but just the last four or five years, we've had a number of experiences.

23:29 I mean, we we try to go out, I mean, we we grew up in the mountains a lot, and we don't have experience every time we go out. Maybe thirty percent of the time we go out, we have an experience. But in this area we've we've probably had the majority of our experiences in this area, so we're we're we're going to start the concentrate in this area. Oh, I would say that would be an extremely smart move. You know, if this area is the hot spot, why would you why would you go anywhere else? I mean, yeah, um, what kind of what kind of other things have you experienced well in this area. Back in twenty eighteen, me and a different friend, we had drove up the the Go road and we're doing something. Um, we're checking out signs for big for big Foot, and it was getting laced the week.

24:26 Instead of driving home, we found this campsite which was Laos Camp, which at the time we didn't know about last Laos Camp. We just it's a it's a campsite. Later I realized what Laos Camp was and the history and everything. Well, we were We got there and um, my friend went down to the creek to swim. I was making the fire and I was sitting there and all of a sudden I heard this chatter, this harbling speak, or this these this language or this just oh just weird, the weirdest thing I've ever heard in the force. And I'm sitting there going thinking, what the heck is this? I waited. It went off like two or three minutes. It sounds like there was well, there was at least two individuals there, possibly three, and it was like my eight o'clock, probably about fifty yards there, about four yards away. And after a few minutes I got up and started walking. I got about twenty steps and it it stopped. Then my friend comes up out of the creek and asked me, where's are the people out? What people? He said, I heard people talking. I said, no, that wasn't people, that was some squashes. And he's like, really agree, Yeah, there's doing here, dude, this is just being you. Well, then about an hour later later, he's laying on the on the pickety bench because he's trying to take

26:00 it now because he wants to stay up late, and I'm sitting by the fire and he's still awake. He's laying there and also didn't start to begin the same like they say, samurai chat or what do you wanna call it? It's just sure, ye just weird garbling language. And you know, we listened to it for a few minutes because he was like, do you hear that? Go? Yeah, I'm hearing it, and we're listening to it and I get up and started walking and it it cuts out, it stays stopped, and we're like, that is wild. I mean, that was just the most bizarre I thing I've ever heard in the in the forest.

26:40 And there was nobody We hadn't We had driven around the whole area for probably six hours a day, didn't see a single soul, no one up there at all. I gotta ask you, were there any Was there any recorded audio of the Okay? All right, I mean we were just starting out and we didn't have nothing at all. We had my friend had a camera and I had my cell phone, but you know that's cell phones and this was, you know, five years ago. They don't record an odd audio from a distance that good at all. But that was the first big experience I had had You heard the SIERRAU sounds prior to that, or did you hear it afterwards? You had that experience afterwards? Once I heard it, someone said, well, you should listen to the Sarah sounds. I did. I'm like, oh it, man, it wasn't as a as a as aggressive, because it was they were like they were just talking to each other, but you could hear the same type of I won't say language.

27:48 I mean, that's why I keep saying, but I don't know if it's a language, but you can hear the same tones, the same almost like yeah, like words. I mean, but it was, it was It was pretty interesting. That's it. That must have just blown your mind when you heard that recording from Ronde more head out. That would be cool if someday you got to talk to him and you could be like, yeah, it's kind of like this, you know, and you can talk back and forth about it. That would be It may happen, who knows, but conferences are like that. But man, that is wild. Now do you have I'm guessing now you have you're starting to gather up different different equipment for your research or yeah we have a storm immager. Okay, Now I just got a drone from my daughter. She had her fiance had a drone that he used one time a couple of years ago, and it was a Brinza. He said, yeah, you can have it. So we we just got that. There's last week and we're getting it, you know, all set up, and we're gonna go practice with it. So we so we don't lose it up up in the mountains, which I think That is key for us to talk about for a minute, because listeners, if you're going to go squatching and you have gear, take some time to practice with

29:18 that gear so you don't there are so many stories about like, oh I had I had the squatch in my sights on the drone and it wasn't recording, or something happened and I wasn't ready, I wasn't prepared. It's worth the time to practice a little bit and make sure you got your bearing straight. Although in the heat of the moment things can just get crazy too. So yeah, Doug, I see you down there. Tell us a little bit about from what you've experienced from your side. Okay, you know what Todd's describing, like Laos Camp in all these places they are very remote. Because I had a friend goal, you know, I don't see how there could have been any big foot because it's only six miles off the road, and I go, well, have you been up those roads? You know, because I'm an avid backpacker. I've been backpacking since I was sixteen years old. I grew up in El Paso, Texas, and I used to hike in New Mexico, Northern New Mexico, Southern New Mexico, came out to California and continued that. In fact, to this day, I even am an avid hiker. I've been doing the Pacific Crest Trail in sections each year. But my experiences, I think go back to during the times of my when I had a family and my kids are all grown, and my oldest son actually had an experience at another lake in the Trinity Alps, and he was actually on finding big Foot. He actually had a sighting. I've never had a sighting, but we've always heard weird things in the woods,

30:51 you know, like people talking, the tree knocks and things like that. But I think where I started really beginning to think because I had a friend. He lives in Klama Falls. He's moved there since then. But we took his dog Amos up to a remote place in the Sisky Wilderness called Bear Lakes. And this was in twenty fourteen, and we took his dog Amos, and I got ahead of him. He goes, oh, just just hike at your own pace. It was really hot that day, so I made it down to the lake, waited and waited and waited, and I was in a Incidentally, we had gone to the Bigfoot Museum in Willow Creek because my friend was at Footer. He loved it, and I got the David Politis book about the hoop Hop Project, so I was just reading that in my spare time. I had some binoculars. Well, the next morning, his dog never showed up. Still, he finally made it and he goes, Worth, have you seen my dog? And I go, no, it's not here. So I went looking first the evening before, and then in the morning he still hadn't come. So he wanted to go look for his dog. This was at Bear Lakes in two fourteen, and so he takes off and I'm just sitting there and I'm reading this book, relaxing, and I just noticed there's a bunch of deer grazing across the lake.

32:08 And it's this lake is inaccessible when it comes to like fishing, because you know, many times fishermen will almost have a trail around a lake. It's pretty common. Even in the wilderness areas, you'll see that. But this place was so overgrown, so lush, there was nothing like that. So I started noticing these deer acting really weird, like they kept looking over their shoulders, I mean, worse than normal. You know, because of their ears and all the sudden I just heard this and it starts breaking all these trees. You could hear all these limbs snapping, and the next thing you know, a dough and its fawn had swam into the middle of the lake and it sounded like a gorilla breaking through the trees. I because I've been in the woods so much, I know what a black bear is. I know what they sound like. I've seen fifty plus black bear because we have probably the one of the densest populations of black bear in the North America up here. I mean, they're They're all I've seen fifty plus. I've even seen a grizzly, but that's another story, even though there's supposedly no grizzlies in California. Wow, And I know the difference because I've seen so many bear. But getting back to this, I was just like, oh my god, And I was like what do I do? Because that was freaky, you know, and to see a deer flee from this, and so I decided to walk over there and see if I could kind of get a better look. And I got a little scared. So I just had a couple of apples and I, you know, put them in strategic locations in

33:44 About a half an hour later, Bob returned and goes, I couldn't find my dog. I don't know where he is. And I go, well, did you see for and he goes no, I said, so he might have just gone back to the truck, you know, because he's an older dog. He might have gotten said forget this. And fortunately that's that's what happened. When we got back, he was there. So that was good. So I said, I told him the experience. And so we went walking around and one of the apples was gone, completely gone, nothing, no evidence of anything. And so he goes, man, if that was a Barrett would have taken both of them, you know, but it only took one. So we went down. There's a lower lake and it's almost inaccessible. You have to go down this really steep. We found some prints. Of course we didn't have anything, you know, but you could just see something had walked. Really good sized prints too, I mean, and they did have the shape similar to that what you see in the picture there. And so we were just like, wow, that was an experience.

34:44 And so I had told Todd about this and he could probably take off from here, because we ended up revisiting that lake a few years later and we had some more wild experiences there, and this was after another forest fire had ravaged the area. Yeah, well, first, that's that's incredible. And I can't imagine being in that situation where you hear that like that, that yell and then the gorilla type Britain. Man, I don't know if I'd be around. I think i'd be out of there. Does like that, well, normally I would, but I was just so fascinating because it's it's my scientific side coming across, you know, And I've just been kind of that way because I think, for the most part, I feel safe around them. But I know the more I've learned that maybe that's not always a good idea, because you know, there's been some violent experiences over the you know, the centuries too, you know that people have reported. But yeah, that was I've never heard anything like it. It was it was just I was like, man, these things just might be real. I mean, because that was no bear and just to hear limbs breaking, you know, I mean if one of us did that, or even a bear, I mean, I've just never heard anything like it because it just echoed throughout that whole cirque there, you know, and it was just and just to hear it make that sound and just all these It's like it was stealthy waiting to attack. And it probably did get one of those deer, because

36:15 there was about six or seven of them there, but I saw at least two of them make it into the water. And that's what made me realize there was something really crazy going on there. So I ended up telling Todd about it because we've had some other experiences in other locations over the years, and then we revisited that lake was a twenty nineteen I believe, yeah, and he can he can share what he had. But these types of experiences made me think, hmm, there's something out here because I've had too many of these experiences in my forty plus years of backpacking. Oh absolutely, yeah, Todd, go ahead and jump on in man. Well, So, like Doug said in twenty nineteen four of Us Meet Doug, a friend named Blaine, and a friend named Caesar. Caesar was the one that heard a chatter with me at Laos Camp, so US four backpack in this This place is fifteen miles off off the road and then another four four miles hiking in, so it's it's it's way up past Happy Camp or to the west of Happy Camp. So we hike in. We get there. There's a couple, a young couple at the main I would say a campsite. It's just a where if you go there, that's where you would would camp because it's a cleared area. They left the next day, but we they said there's

37:47 a campsite over in the trees, and they said there's kind of dirty. Well we went over there and it's a it was a campsite that looks like I mean, there's it looks like someone just grabbed the backpacks and left and they left everything there. They left tarps, clothes, pans, food, canned goods, I mean everything. It's like they just grabbed their backpacks and fled. Well late later we we figure why why why they fled, So we we we cleaned it all up. There's a big old tarps. We put all the trash and all the stuff in the tarp. We tied all up and put it on the side. So we uh sebcamp and that first night, well we were tied from hiking, so why I was and we were out the first night, didn't hear anything. The next night we were up, we heard a knock, a loud knocked from across the lake.

38:40 So we're right on this on the edge of this lake. Behind us are these granite cliffs. The lake is kind of like like in a like in a horseshoe type, so it's very kind of concealed. So we're we're the The second night, we hear this knock, and then about thirty minutes late later, we hear a knocked behind us, So like, okay, so something's happened happening, And then we hear it sounds like cans or pans going clank, clank, clank, and we're like, what the heck was that?

39:21 And we assumed it was, you know, they had picked up some of the cans that were left behind, or the pots and pans or something. And I went to bed. I was a pretty heavy sleep. I'm a heavy sleeper, so I was out. Caesar and Blaine had a few little instances, instances they heard noise somebody coming in. Then the next night Caesar had left already, right, yeah, See Caesar had left, he had to get back to do a job or something. And then me and well, me and Blaine. Doug walks Caesar out about halfway. Me and Blaine were at the other camp campsite wait waiting for Doug, and we hear this noise up on the other ridge behind the lake, and Blaine, you know, he's he starts making you know, he starts going banana. You know, we're alloud and echoes, you're just being a jokester. And we hear a knock really and we're like wow, So he does it again.

40:21 He says bona no really a loud and echoes, and we hear what it sounds like like almost like a almost like a car door, like a big car was just like boom. And we're look at each other and I make a couple of whoops, you know, and we hear we we're hearing this this this feedback back back and forth like ten minutes, and then all of a sudden, we hear this huge crash, you know, like like it pushed over a tree or something, and just bam. We're like just amazed, and Dug shows up. Then we go back to our camp and now this next night actually actually this is the last night we're there, right, yeah, this is the last night we're there. The third night, I guess we're there or the second night, well, we we're hanging out.

41:12 We you know, we have our food and we don't only hear hear anything. So I go ahead and I go to bed, and about one thirty in the morning, I wake up and I hear Doug and Blaine. They're like in a panic. They're putting all this wood on the fire. They're like, let's let's get this fire going to keep them away. And I like, hey, what's going on? And like, oh, you're awake. We we've been trying to wait, wait up for two hours. There's there's all the you know, they're hearing all this noise and stuff coming in. So I get up and I use the restroom and I we're sitting there and you know, they're getting this fire, just blazing fire, just going to keep these whatever they're hearing away. But once we get the fire going, you know, we don't hear anything. So we're up about an hour.

41:58 So we figured we let's all go back to bed, so we I get my tent um. Dug and Blaine they go to sleep right right away. I hear them snoring, and I'm laying there on my back and I can see the fire through seeing my tent. It's getting lower and it's dimming, and it starts going out. And then all of a sudden, I started hearing the brush moving, you hear the snaps, and I'm laying laying there and all sudden I can hear something walking up next to my tent. I had this like this dry creek creek bed, and all of a sudden, I can feel in my back the footsteps walking up this creek here this, and I'm like, oh my gosh, this thing is include it gets it's right outside my tent and probably ten feet outside my tent, and I'm laying there wanting to unzip my tents and look out, but I was so scared I could not move. And I'm just later thinking this thing's gonna grab my tent and drag it into the forest and I'm, you know, dead, And all of a sudden, a brand piece of log falls into the fire and it ignites the the fireback up, and this thing takes off out of camping. You hear boom boom, boom, boom boom, And it was just I couldn't believe this thing was and it wasn't a bar because you

43:31 can tell the difference between a bipedal animal and a and a quadruped. This thing was just but feeling it in my back when I'm laying there in my seating bag on the ground feeling them. I guess you call them impact trent trimmers. You can feel them, just a boom boom boom, whereas it's walking up, you know, closer and closer to my tent. And that was and and actually that night we heard the cleaning noise again too, we heard the metal cleaning, and that was. I mean, I figured these people that were there before had the same kind of experience and it freaked them out and they just grabbed their backpack and took off because they left everything behind.

44:17 I mean everything, food, clothes, tarps, oh really, hands, food, They just it's like, oh man, they just or or they got grabbed by by the big the big foot that was there and they were drug off into the woods. But they just left everything behind. And that was and after that we figured, well that's why they they abandoned their campsite, because I'm sure they probably had the same same type of experience. Oh absolutely, I mean, just imagine if that log had not fallen into your guys's fire. Oh yeah, we might not be talking here today, that's true. I might be doing in memory of these two dudes episodes.

45:05 But I'm glad you're you guys are here. My goodness, what that was? That was? I was so scared. I mean, I don't think I've ever been nest scared before in my life. It was unbelievable. It sounds like definitely so you definitely heard bipedal footsteps, you would steps, and I felt them in my back laying on the ground because this thing was close. I mean it was where else I my ten It had me, you know, within ten feet at the most. Wow. But it was it was so dark. There was no moon, there was no it was just the uh, well, the fire had yet gone down to basically nothing.

45:47 We gotta get you guys some audio recorders. Man. Yeah, that's the one thing we don't have. We don't have any any audio dude. Oh man, Yeah, but it was But when it ran away, that was even because you get to tell it was a bipedal creature, just a boom boom boom boom boo, and it just faded away. I always think it's interesting when people bring up the sound of a car door being slammed in the wilderness, which doesn't make sense. And how have you guys come to grips with hearing that in a place where it should not be heard. Well, when I was at Laost camp and Caesar was down in the he had heard a car door show because he asked me if I had gotten into my jeep and I said no, and I didn't think anything of it. But then I heard on a on a podcast the same thing happening, and I thought, well, that's what it was. They he heard one of these these these creatures making a noise that sounded like a car door shedding a big old seventies you know, Lincoln, you know car your big old you know, eighty pound carridor shut shutting. Just I don't know if that's something they're hitting their chest or right, you know. I think about it, and I

47:22 was like, do they have the same ability that a mocking bird has where they you know, or like a some some bird in Bigfoot is not a bird, but some some birds have the ability to mimic different Uh. You know, We're walking by my neighbors the other day and we heard a bird up in the tree do the sound of a you know, a heavy machinery tool buzz saw. And I had to explain to my son. It was like, yeah, some birds can you know, sound make the sounds they hear in their neighborhood. Maybe it's the same thing with bigfoot. We don't know. There's no right or wrong answers yet, you know, but so wild dude, Well they're they're smart. They're very smart. They're just smarder than we are out there in the in the in the forest, that's for sure. Yeah. And it's funny too because I did hear someone that had a sighting and he said the thing cupped its hands like this and hit them together and it made that car door sound really Um. Yeah, so the person actually saw the bigfoot, do h and it made the car door sound really Yeah. It was in a podcast I heard from a different group, but nice. It was in Colorado, and I go, oh, that's it, because you know, you hear this sound. But he said this thing was just really close to him and it it cupped its hands and smacked

48:54 them together and it made that car door sound. So that may be an explanation. And see, we're starting to figure out some things too. Because we had heard another podcast of where some people had pulled up to a spring and it was a spring that apparently some big foot visited it and they were harassed because they were by that spring. They had camped there. And it's funny because last summer, taught and another friend of ours camp near a spring and they had activity. And it's in that same area in the Sisky Wilderness at another camp it's known as Cedar Camp. So there's a lot of hot spots up there. In fact, last fall we even got to we found a logging road that had a lot of trees. We cut them out, which is interesting. It seems like the Forest Service put another tree on that road to keep people out of there, because we just checked that out on Thursday and we're, oh, wow, they put a tree here. I guess they didn't like us going down that road. But anyway, it takes you to a quarry and it's it's just close to the headwaters of Bluff Creek undisclosed location that we're not revealing at this time, but it were really close, just a couple of miles probably from the film site from a different direction, but we were just eating lunch at this quarry and it's just a little a few probably quarter of a mile from Bluff Creek or a little bit higher

50:25 up. And his wife started walking around, walking on the edge of this quarry, you know, and there's like a steep embankment that goes to a thick grove of trees. And so she's walking around. She goes, Todd, let's go. And me and him are finishing up eating some food. So she's starting to walk and we go, we better not let her get too far ahead of us. We don't want her walking alone, you know. So we walk out to look at where she was at, and I was just a little ahead of Todd, and I go, wow, this is really cool. Oh my god, And what I saw just blew me away. It was like, there's only two things that could have been a human and there were no humans because we saw no human the whole time, or something of this nature. Because something had been holding up a furbow and when it saw me come to the edge, it dropped it a live tree, you know how you you know when someone's like peeking and looking at something like that. That's exactly what happened. There was no wind, no animals there at the time they had it held up and they dropped it, and that just freaked me out. And that seems like a little thing, but to me, that was like one of the trippiest things out of all my experiences I've seen, because it was like someone had been watching her and then we came to the edge and it saw us two males, and it just quickly dropped the branch. Man, that's wild. That wouldn't make me because I was like, oh man, something was watching, you know, because

51:59 just it's just like some stranger in the woods, you know, like lifting up about trying to get a better look, you know, is weird. I am convinced, for some reason or not, you guys, you're gonna have one of these days. It's gonna be face to face. I just know it. I mean, it seems like you've already been in so many different situations where you've been just seconds away. I mean, it's it's coming. I just got a feeling it's coming, guys, So get an audio recorder if you can. Oh man, that's wild. There's one photo we haven't gone over yet, and I want to make sure we do because I'm really curious about it. What tell me the story about this guy here.

52:50 Well, that last January we were in the same area. Wept go, but we only got about six miles up. So we went down this route, this old logging road that we found. We drove up about a mile and a half two miles mate, probably about a mile and a half. We couldn't go no farther because of snow. We were in dug trucks. We got out, hiked in. We got to a certain point where there's about a twenty foot cliff. When we went up to the side of the road and there was a little flat spot up there, and Doug had mentioned this would be a great spot for a predator to hang out. So we keep hiking. We hike another probably half mile or a mile in, and then the way out, we're hiking out and we get to that spots and I kind of like slip on some ice. I look up and in between two two bush bushes, I see brown fur going from one bush to the other. It was just a split second, so I couldn't tell what exactly it was, but gravel came down the cliff. Something up there obviously cause I saw something. The gravel came down, and then there was a tree probably eight eight inches in diameter of the trunk. This scene started to shake and the snow fell off it. It was shaking pretty I mean pretty violently.

54:17 And then we heard about three or four steps walk away well then, and then also we heard a couple of knocks further down. Then when we found the footprints in April, we drove back down that road, drove farther down this other road, and that's where we found this um, this nest, which was on the back side of that little ridge where we had where I saw that that animal in between the two bushes. It was probably about a couple hundred yards away from where we had the other experience in back in January. And you can see seemed Ei there standing this. The trees that fell probably fell naturally, but something had dug had broken off all these branches and made this little cave inside these uh, these trees that had fallen down, and they were broken off. They weren't sought off, they were snapped off. And I'm standing on the edge, but you could I got in there and I laid down and there's me and you you can see how all the leaves were matted down nice and soft, and I mean you could get back in there six or seven feet. It was a pretty large um area underneath her easily as Yeah, there's also some impressions that we found. We found a couple of prints close by, but that was you found actual prints

55:52 near this area. Yeah, they're on they're on a on a downslope, get going there. They weren't really castable, but you could see the one and the other one was like a slip it. It wasn't well, I don't say it was really super fresh. I wasn't sure, but but you could tell something had broken off the branches that made a little cave. But basically that is so interesting. It probably wasn't a long term nest, but it's probably something that something had had hung out for probably you know, a few weeks or something. And if and that nest isn't that far from where we found the prince at. They were only maybe two miles a straight shot.

56:38 Have you guys ever found any any hair as as you've been going around anything like that? We found we found stats really um, we were up in the training apps one time. This was probably two nineteen, I think at the same time, same year, and we were camping in a different spot but we drove back and hiked into to an area. We had a friend with us who had a he was he had he had a rifle and a pistol, and we were hiking around. We found him. Were hiking back out and we got to a little clearing where we decided to stop and get some water and some snacks, and we heard three knocks within I mean they were probably thirty feet away from each other and a couple of seconds apart.

57:35 I mean it was like knock, knock, knock. And we were like, oh, this is interesting. So Caesar, our friend, and went up to this area was looking down behind this wall of bushes. There was a wall of bushes, but then it had like a eight foot opening like a door. Almost Doug went walked in there. I stayed out just to watch. He walked into this this little opening, and he had seen all these uh impressions. And then Caesar walks out and he's at the top and he says, hey, did someone walked in? We say he had Doug. Doug walked and he said, okay, so he thought he saw Doug. Well, we were at the camp fire that night. We had realized it wasn't Doug. That he saw it because Doug wasn't only he was right inside the tree line, he wasn't thirty yards in. So the next day we figured, let's go back there and will we will we recreate it.

58:37 So we get there, Doug goes where he was at, Caesar goes where he was at. I go where Caesar sees this black figure walk by. He only sees like my my shoulders on my head. He saw the waist up of this scene. It was in this little ravine and we're so we figured, okay, he says, you know, he probably saw a squads And we had those three knocks. And then when we actually went that that same day, when we pulled up to the area, he said, we're watched. When we pull up and we walked to that ridge, we'll hear a knock. And I said, nah, we' don't go hear a knock. And as soon we walked to that ridge, we heard a knock.

59:19 We we were here a knocks all day. We probably heard fifteen to twenty knocks that day. So we're we're in this area, we're there's all kinds of impressions, just all kinds of but you couldn't really there's you know, a lot of leaf material and branches. So we hike up over this little ridge and we come into this huge bowl area, like a a five acre area, just a huge bowl. And I'm thinking this is a great spot because from the ridge you can see all areas. So we're hiking and you see all kinds of impressions, tree breaks, and we get to this spot. It was about a thirty foot by thirty foot area where it had just piles and piles of scats on top of each other. Really, I mean, just huge amount of things. We're like, well, this is crazy, and we're hearing, you know, tree knocks all around, you know, every as you're looking at the scats. Minutes we're hearing that.

1:00:22 We hear like we heard like fifteen or twenty that day, just and well this that's not the best of it. Behind this scat there's these logs piled up. Caesar is looking down there looking at there. You can't really see us bushes. And then we all look around you where we go different areas, and we come back to the scat area and we're standing there and all of a sudden we hear this. Yeah, I mean, it wasn't even a knock it was a something took a huge log and just crashed. It was a we we we could feel in our bodies. I mean, this was probably thirty yards away, just a crack, and we thought, okay, we need to leave. I think we got too close to their their nests or there where we're there, you know, their base camp or whatever you want to call it. Is that the day before we had four around us. We had three in front of us, and then the one that Caesar saw, and then this, and then we saw that that bathroom, I mean basically a bigfoot bathroom. Yeah, because I mean this stuff was huge. It wasn't bear because bear don't poop in the same spot. They just poop where wherever they got to go poop. But this was like on top of where we think they were living at. And this was like things even weekends, so it was there was no snow yet, but it was you know, chilly at night. It was cold, cold at night and you know, in the fifties during during during the day because it was sunny,

1:01:57 but it was just Yeah, once we heard that that crash, we started walking out and as we walked out, we could hear noises in the brush and knocks as we walked out, like like they were escorting us out. And that was that one, and Bare Lakes was probably the two wildest experiences that we've had together. That's a wild and that's another wild story. But I have some questions. We're gonna get real for a little bit. I have some questions about the scat guys, So because I just had an interview to do with something similar to this, So, can you describe how this scat looked? Yeah, I would say it looked like there was definitely a because I know bear you can see when they have eaten grass versus when they've had game. Because I've been up in some areas where I've found a lot of bear dens and so forth. Because the guy that was with us, the hunter, he's a total skeptic, and he had to admit he heard the tree knox that first day. He left the next day and then we had this bigger experience. He had to admit he heard the tree knox, but he was trying to say, oh, I you know, maybe it's just moisture in the trees and making that noise, and I go those knocks hunting it. So he had to admit it so I've been hiking with

1:03:30 him in some very remote areas of the Trinity Alps. But this scat, it it has a kind of a human appearance, but much bigger. I mean, it's it's it's not like bear, you know, it's more defined. And this had some grass in it and some other hair and things of that nature, but it just it almost looked like oversized. Well I've I've tried to look at ape scat online because it's like it's so you know, it's funny because you have orangutangs and a gorillas, but it had that similar look. But it was just a pile of it. And and I find it hard to believe that a bear would just keep going back to the exact same spot. I've never really seen that. I mean, I know they do that to some extent, but not such a large area. This was like a big area that looked like it had been used for you know, a year or something. So it was like a massive like this is a massive amount of scat, yes, really, yeah, yeah, it was big. And yet when we went later when it starts snow and went back to that place in the spring, it was all gone. And then we've been and we've had no we've had no experiences there since. It's almost like they moved on. Wow, we got you close. That is just absolutely

1:05:12 wild. Yeah, it's like we got too uh too close to him. And after that they just bailed. Yeah. Absolutely, they didn't want you know, they said, well they they found us here, let's move on. Yeah, that was there was another unique situation. Man, guys, this you gotta come. You gotta come up with a name for it's obviously you got it. You got an awesome group going on. You definitely got to have a name that you're pulling up with someday. There's only three of us right now, so majority majority can rule then. So they oh, man, some wild, wild stories in I will love to hear what comes from you guys hanging out with Tate and all the guys. That's just that's that's going to be wild. Has anything Have you ever been out in the woods and something weird has happened but it's maybe not You're like, yeah, that's not Bigfoot, but I don't really know what's going on here, anything weird like that. Um. I was actually with my friend that's the hunter.

1:06:34 We were hiking in the foot and a half of snow. We were going to go up to the lookout that's in it's old ironsides. It's on the way past Willow Creek towards Weaverville on two ninety nine and you can take some of those back logging roads there. It's kind of near Del Loma. We went hiking because we couldn't make it to the lookout way too much snow, so we just parked the truck and we start hiking. And as we were walking back, we got a low just this low um frequency that just went and it just went right through us. And you know, I've heard that predators can do that low, you know sound, and he even he even noticed. He goes, wow, what was that? That was weird?

1:07:19 I go, yeah, that was like a low frequency. I go, I heard predators do that. And he's always trying to because he's had some experiences, but he never wants to admit that it's anything, you know, because he once heard a scream that sound. He called it like a terra doctyl. It was just this, oh that that has to be a bear. So even in this case, he said, oh, maybe bucks do that. Because he's an avid hunter. So um, I said, okay, and so he got way ahead of me on that on that particular hike, because I brought the wrong shoes. I brought my shoes that I used for backpacking, you know, trail runners, and I should have been wearing boots that day because we were hiking in foot and a half of snow and my feet were soaking wet. So I was slowing down a little bit, and all of a sudden, I heard what I thought were kids having a snowball fight by his truck, and I go, that's weird. I heard this like kids playing, but couldn't make out anything. And then I look around the corner and I realized we're still a ridge away from his truck.

1:08:23 Oh man, And I heard it down on the hill. I never told him about it because I just, you know, I knew he would just make fun of me. But I just thought that was kind of bizarre. So that was kind of an interesting experience. And I have heard chattered like Todd brought out and I was getting ready to turn on my phone, but someone called out my name and it stopped. And back at this other place we called dry Camp, and then and then one time there was a major bit of dry lightning it started a bunch of fires. I think it was back in like two thousand sixteen or so. We heard my ex wife and and some of us, you know, my kids that were there, and my daughter who was married and her husband. We all heard what sounded like people talking like they were way down the truck. Isn't that weird?

1:09:10 But we couldn't make out what it was. What was going on? Go why are these people hiking around at eleven o'clock at night? You know, and there's this dry lightning starting to happen. And later we came to the conclusion that we think it was probably squatches on the move, and we just thought it was people. And so we've just had a lot of experiences like that over the years, you know, And it just took me a while to kind of put it all together, you know, because I mean when I was a kid, I loved the Patterson Gimmlin film. You know, I lived in El Paso, but I didn't even realize untill much later that I was living when I moved up here years later, I little did I realize I was this close to this whole area, you know. So I would always think about these things, but I just I just love nature, so I always go with the purpose. It's kind of funny because my one friend always wants to take me, but he wants the purpose of hunting.

1:10:03 And then I go of Todd and his purpose is to look for bigfoot. So that's probably why I get away from them all sometimes in hike the Pacific Crest Trail with another friend because I just love I love nature. I just love hiking. I've been to almost every lake in the Alps Marble Mountains, and now I'm focusing on the Ciscus More, which it's it's if there's a place it would be, it's there because it's so remote. So you mentioned the Marble Mountains. Have you been to the area where that famous video is, then yes, I have, I wasn't quite there. I've been to the Sky High Lakes, and I've hiked a bunch of those other loops.

1:10:44 But I was the one day planning on making it to Paradise Lake and you know, King's Castle. But my friend, who likes to control the hiking routine, you got us go in a different direction, so I have to get back over there. But I know the area. I could see it where I was at, you know, because We're high on the ridge by Marble Mountain and you could see that where King's Castle was. It was just like five miles away. But I'm planning on getting there too. And then, like I mentioned before, my oldest son actually had an eyewitness experience at two in the morning. He was on Finding Bigfoot actually because of it in the Trinity Alps, and that was an interesting experience he had because he actually saw it walk into the camp, smelt it his full moon. It tried to unzip his pack and really yeah, and then he yelled at it and it dropped the pack on the tent. Woke up his wife at the time, and one of the frenzies with had spotted something earlier before dusk and was scared. And so he ended up getting on the you know, on that feature on a Finding Bigfoot. Animal Planet called them up. So kind of runs. I guess we all kind of in our family seem to have this tendency to have these things, and I'm not purposely looking for it. Maybe That's why I've had so many experiences. I think if I start actively trying

1:12:15 to find it, then it's going to stop. You know. It just seems like you guys have an interesting luck to you where it definitely seems to intersect your paths. A question for each of you that usually comes up. So, you know, thinking of the bigfoot sasquatch, the creature, what do you think it is exactly that that we're dealing with here? Well, I believe it's as an animal. It's a great airport. It's some kind of primate species that lives here in North America, lives in probably South America.

1:12:57 I mean there's different sizes. You know, you got the small ones in Indonesia, you got the almasses in Russia. They're just different size upright, walking bipedal primates, flesh and blood and like a bear or Mount Leonie. It's just there's another animal that that lives here on earth. Absolutely, and Doug I feel much the same way. Um I really shy away from the UFO stuff and all that bizarre stuff. Um I thought at times maybe it could be a spirit, but personally, I think it's a bipedal creature that's probably similar to the orangutang or gorilla family. Because you know that they they've discovered those billy apes in Africa that are human sized chimp, you know, they call them human sized lion killers. Yeah, and um so I'm I'm of the feeling that it's just an undiscovered primate that, you know, maybe is a survivor of giant pithecus. Who knows. That's mineling, Especially after seeing these footprints. I was like, you know, spirits don't make literal footprints like deer and fox and coyote and cougar and baron in the snow.

1:14:21 At least I've never seen that happen. Yeah, And the cool thing about this show is there's no right around answers because we don't have one captured yet or you know, equivalent. But I do have to say I agree with you guys personally, especially after talking you know, the stories I've talked to people about that come out of Oklahoma as well. I mean, it just to me, it just adds up that we're looking at a is some type of undiscovered great ape of North America. So I totally I'm on that the same path that you guys are, I think. But uh wow, it has been an amazing track. I'm so glad that we were able to connect. But what what's what's next for you guys? What are what are the goals going forward? That you would like to see happen with your group.

1:15:23 Well, I do want to see one. That's I mean, I would like to definitely see one. I don't know about face or face, but at least where I can definitely say, okay, that's a bigfoot. I haven't, you know, never seen see one personally as a group. I mean just I mean not just for our group, but any group. I would like to see the see it discovered as a and and made a a definite species. That would be great. I mean I don't want to one, but I would you love to see it recognized by the scientific community that it is a real animal and needs uh you know protection. Yeah, I agree, And Doug and I'm I'm along the same lines. You know, we're kind of unconventional researchers because you know, I've I've gone backed off on doing calls, even though I can do a pretty loud one and tree knocks. We're we're starting to get into more of a stealthy type situation with them, where we will incorporate those things as we go. But I just would like to find because I think it exists. I think there's something out there. It has to be because there's just too many footprints now and too many experiences, and so if it could be protected because I think there's I

1:16:59 think as humans sometimes we get this idea that we know more than we really know, and it would just kind to lay rest too, because I know, I bet surely there's a lot more experiences out there, and people are just afraid because I mean, we get ridiculed a little bit from our friends, you know, they think, oh, you're going out and doing that, you know, and it's okay, I don't care, you know, that doesn't bother me. But I think there's a lot of others that maybe have really good stories that are afraid to do that because of that, because it's kind of a it's one of those fifty fifty things, you know, where people either think you're crazy, that you're searching for some mythological creature or if it's real. So it'd be kind of nice to get more proof so that it could be laid to rest once and for all. Absolutely, I agree with you. It would be awesome if we could, you know, get the video footage or something that would finally put it to rest too, to prove it as a species. Todd and Doug this has been just an awesome chat. Thank you so much for coming on. How can people keep up to date with what you are doing in your research or you guys kind of undercover unless someone pulls you into an interview. Well, I have a personal Facebook page. They get you know, Todd samples on Facebook, but

1:18:30 we don't really have a legitimate website or Facebook. Yeah, we are working on that. So if we do have one, it will be entitled Bigfoot Wilderness Research. So that's where it will be hopefully in the next month or two. That's the plan. That's awesome that we have these pictures. We have other pictures that we have on line. Then why about that on there? Very cool, So listeners you'll want to definitely keep up to date with what they are doing and I'll update the links once I see that come out.

1:19:15 But Todd and do thank you so much for coming on tonight. And it's been a pleasure. Thank you very much, Thank you very much. It's been really enjoyable and real quick before we go, one last thing, if you're in Iowa and you would like to hear me give a presentation, I am doing presentations at the Irlham Public Library and Erlham, Iowa for their summer reading program. The first one is coming up soon. On June thirtieth, at three pm Central Standard time, I will be doing an our presentation on how to start your own podcast. Also on July twenty eighth, at three pm Central Standard time, I'll be doing a presentation on Bigfoot. If you're in Iowa, you probably will definitely want to hear this presentation as be talking about bigfoot in general for the first fifteen minutes, then fifteen minutes or so on Bigfoot in Iowa. Be talking about a lot of stuff that I haven't really shared before, and then we'll see where the last fifteen minutes go.

1:20:30 Yeah, there's some stuff bigfoot in Irlam, so you won't want to miss that. And then there'll be a Q and A at the end for fifteen minutes. But no cost for this. It's just part of the Irlam Public Library Summer Reading program again. June thirtieth, three pm Central Standard time for the podcast one. In July twenty eighth, three pm Central Standard time for the big Foot one Irelan Public Library in Irlam, Iowa. We'll see you there. If you'd like to make a special one time donation to Bigfoot Society you can head on over to our buy me a coffee page and I'd like to shout out someone who has bought us a coffee this last week, mister Wayland W Colburn his messages. I love the show. I used to listen to insert the name of another popular Bigfoot Encounter podcast, but they never have any new stuff. Keep up the good work, my friend. Well, I appreciate that, Wayland. If you'd like to buy me a coffee as well, you can head on over to the show notes and find the link in there. Become a supporting member of the Bigfoot Society podcast by going to www dot Patreon dot com forward slash the Bigfoot Society and receive extra episodes and early ad free episodes as well. If you've got a personal Bigfoot encounter you would like to submit for me to share on the podcast, please head on over to www dot Bigfoot Society podcast dot com. There you'll find the share your Bigfoot counter form a little lower on the page, and please take

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