Bigfoot Discovery Of The Year / Tod Samples & Doug Chez / Humboldt County, California

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So I started noticing these deer acting
really weird, like they kept looking over

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their shoulders, I mean, worse
than normal, you know, because they're

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of their errors. And all of
a sudden, I just heard this and

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it start breaking all these trees.
You could hear all these limbs snapping.

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And the next thing, you know, a dough and its vawn had swam

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into the middle of the lake and
it sounded like a gorilla breaking through the

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trees. I can hear something walking
up and all of a sudden, I

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can feel in my back the footsteps
walking up this creek here this, and

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I'm laying there wanting to unzip my
tents and look out, but I was

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so scared i could not move.
And I'm just later thinking this thing's gonna

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grab my tent and drag it into
the forest. All right, big faciety,

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we got the pleasure of interviewing too. Gentle them in from the West

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coast of the United States tonight.
We've got mister Todd Samples and Doug Shay.

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They're both bigfoot researchers from Humboldt County, California. How's it going,

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gentlemen, Good going, really good. Yeah, we're having a great,

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great time out here in northern California. Awesome, awesome. I'm so glad

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that I get to talk to you
guys tonight because I've had more than a

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few people. When something happens in
the Bigfoot world, you can imagine that,

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you know, people start they throw
a little messages in my way and

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they're like, hey, these guys
found something cool. You should try to

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talk to them. And when that
happens more than one time, it's like,

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Okay, I get the point.
I need to touch these guys.

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So Todd I was super excited when
when we finally set something up, it

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sounds like you've found some something really
cool out there in Humboldt County. Well,

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um, it was on April thirtieth. We took a trip to see

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how far we could get up to
go road been to this issue Force oh,

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and we got about ten miles in
and we couldn't go go no further

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because you know, there's like,
you know, two for your snow and

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we come across these two track ways. We thought it was just somebody had

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pulled up like we did before we
got there, and walked up and walked

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back down. But when we got
up to the tracks. You can see

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toes and we're like, oh wow, these aren't human, these are bigfoot.

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I mean, when you sell the
pictures, you can see the toes

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just so defined. So let's do
a little bit of a context so people

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realize that we're not talking about going
to a town where there's a highway right

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next to a wendy. So tell
us a little bit about like what is

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what exactly is the go road and
how far out is this thing and how

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hard is it to get to it? Oh, it's I mean, there's

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this area is desolated. I mean, there's no one up there. When

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we go up there, if we
see one person, that's rare. We're

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usually the only ones up there.
Were from our place in our cater.

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It takes us at least a couple
hours and a half to get to the

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go road. And it's way up
in the in the mountains Willow Creek,

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which is you know, a famous
before town, that's still a good hour

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and a half away. It's way
up there. So it's a thing where

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if we find if you were to
find tracks like this, there's a low,

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low likelihood that it was just a
random dude walking around with a you

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know, bare feet. Oh yeah, that's just the area says one thing.

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But you know you look at um, the tracks, the gate between

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the tracks, the size of the
tracks. There's just no way it could

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be a human, No way at
all. That is wild. Let me

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take a second here and go ahead
and let's bring up some of those pictures

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so we can kind of see what
we are talking about here. And those

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those prints. They were twelve twelve
inches long by six inches wide, which

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isn't the hugest prints, but but
there's I mean, there are still good

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size. I mean there are bigger
than our our bootprints length in with plus

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in. Some of them you can
actually see the uh um, the mid

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tars will break because the toes were
pointed down, so the heel from the

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mid part or the the footprint back
was flat and the and the toes were

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facing down about an inch. And
then some of them you can see the

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drag the drag marks of the toes
coming out of the snow, which which

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which is pretty cool. All right, here we go. Yeah, so

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we are we are rocking and rolling
now, gentlemen. So um, so

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you can see this is what this
print is actually one of them where the

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print the foot went all the way
down to the asphalt. Oh wow.

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But when when we jumped on the
snow, our feet went down about an

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inch. This one here, I
think is down about two or three inches,

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but there's some that actually had a
deeper part of the snow. Went

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down four four inches five inches in
the snow, and we couldn't even make

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barely an inch deep with our boots. That's jumping. How long did were

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you able to measure the tracks or
the distance of the tracks or the track

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itself. The track itself, they're
about twelve inches long and six inches wide,

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so it probably wasn't an eight foot
squash, but probably about a six

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and a half foot maybe even a
female. And how far apart were the

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tracks from each other in the trackway? Well, that's what was so interesting

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is and what also impressed me is
every single footprint you could tell it was

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the same creature, but every footprint
was slightly variable because of the fact that

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the snow was at depth, different
depths and walking uphill, which we got

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some video. We'll have to get
that over to you. Also, because

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when we first got there and I
saw what we were about ready to encounter,

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because we had another friend with us. He was, look, there's

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toe prints. I quickly filmed it
that uphill. It was a four to

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five foot gate and it went up
over one hundred yards up the hill,

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and then it came down the hill
at a run, which was amazing because

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some of those were six inches deeper
more and they were close to eight to

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ten feet minimum apart. Really,
yes, oh my goodness. And there

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was no other prints around. It's
not like, you know, if if

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it was us or someone else you
would have fell, You wouldn't have The

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whole snowbank was completely clear except for
the prints. The track ways. Wow,

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let's let's look at a few other
of these here. Were there any

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things, any other things you noticed
about the tracks that would make you think,

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okay, I'm looking at a big
foot rather than a extremely large human.

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Anything about the track else that you
noticed at all? Mainly for me

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was it was the um the mid
tars will break um. Just the depth

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and well also the uh the drag
points on the toes when in some of

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them when the east when it comes
out of snow, you see the toes

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uh dragging out of the because that
those those were usually in the deeper prints.

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Interesting, Yeah, those were Wow, look at that. But just

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that big toe just stands out so
and you can well this one here,

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you can see the other toes also, they're just well. We we definitely

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believe that these tracks were made that
morning. We we got there about nine

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thirty nine, nine, nine thirty
in the morning, because we left I

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think we left like seven o'clock that
morning. And I mean these things were

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fresh. They had to be that
morning or that night at the earliest.

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Wow, because there was no other
uh, um prints, no other marking.

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I mean, it was just I
mean, it was just unbelievable.

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When you found these, we were
just shocked. And and then I sent

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you a couple prints on they looked
like a handprints or knuckle prints. Yes,

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I believe these ones right here.
Interesting, there were a couple footprints

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below those, but we uh but
those handprints or knuckle prints, I mean,

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I'm not sure which, but those
were really need too. Now,

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those were actually on the side of
the road at the beginning. There's like

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a little um, I don't know, a side, a little area.

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Um it was just a little Patrick
road. It was open and there was

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some prints in there, and that's
where these these uh knuckle prints were at

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how bigger those knuckle prints. Oh, they just these prints were bigger than

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my hand really. Yeah, so
through a knuckle prints there are still bigger

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than my fingers. I think we
might have another one here too. And

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my hand is is eight inches long
from the tip of my finger to the

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the end of my palm. Wow. And these hand prints were probably ten

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ten inches. Yeah. The reason
why we didn't spend more time in that

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area because there had been other people
in that area, so it was more

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um, you know, there were
some human footprints, but it was right

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where a turn off is. It's
the forest service road up there. But

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but we drove up a hair further
and that's where we found those completely unadulterated

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prints. And you know, we'll
have to try to send you some video

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on it too, because we have, like we have one video where Todd's

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walking and it takes three to four
human steps to to do that eight to

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ten foot gate, and then we
have another one where I'm filming it downhill

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and then Todd's up at the top, and then I have one. Fortunately,

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because we're kind of amateurs at this, we're quickly realizing. I thought

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of myself, man, a,
we're like in a crime scene, but

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not really one, you know,
And so I thought, we just put

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a couple of our own prints here. I better film this right now.

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So we have one going uphill,
and it is the longest that you could

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stretch out your legs is between each
foot, I mean the absolute longest.

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There's no way you could do that
without falling over. And then going downhill,

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they were much further apart. So
we have a theory. We're not

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sure, but we're wondering if it
heard us driving up in his truck and

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it ran down the hill, because
I did hear a loud crash when I

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was up at the top. They
were looking at the prints at the bottom

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of the hundred yard section and I
was at the top and alson I heard

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a huge loud noise in the woods
right to my right, really moving around

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in the woods. So I thought
that was interesting, man. And I

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like this one because you actually have
h looks like a wall for comparison.

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There's cool. We actually had to
tape tape measure in my truck. We

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just didn't even think about we were
so excited. We were just taking pictures

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and and just we we we didn't
think about pulling out the team measure.

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But my my wall is five five
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twelve inches by six definitely. But
that big toe just I mean that probably

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got me. That big toe.
And in almost every picture that big toe

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is the same and it's just round
and just so defined. How how big

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would you say, I'm just curious, how big would you say that that

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big toe is? It seems like
it's very large. Oh yeah, it's

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a inch and a half. A
couple of inches, wow, a couple

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of inches. You know, we
got all they look at that, I

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mean, that's see that so you
can see the mid tarsal break there,

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Yeah, where the snow is in
the back to the heel, that's the

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back part, and then from the
mid to the front where it hits the

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asphalt, that's where the mid tarso
break is. And it the front of

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the foot went all the way to
the to the asshalts. That is incredible,

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Like what a cool way to show
it. And you're talking about like

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right here where this little fine needle
is kind of our break point almost,

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yeah, man, And then we
got wow, look at you can really

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tell in this one. Look at
that big toe. I believe this was

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the first one off the asphalt when
the snow started. That's why it went

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always to the asphalt. The snow
was only like three inches deep there,

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and that was like, I think
that was the first one one that we

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saw. Wow. I mean,
these are some of I would say probably

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the best snow track photos I've ever
seen in terms of definition, because like

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usually you don't see a lot with
with snow tracks because they're just melted beyond

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belief. Yeah, that's that's why
we think these were so fresh. I

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mean, it couldn't be more than
twelve twelve hours old because the snow was

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melting. This was April thirtieth.
Uh, you know, there was water

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running down the road, snow was
melting, and um, another you know,

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pretty prominent big Biffer guys said that
these were probably the best snow prints

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ever found in uh in northern California. That's awesome, man, Wow,

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the best prince in the last ten
years. And another thing along that lines

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too. That was encouraging to us
because you always think, Okay, really,

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how good is this find. He
actually was going to come down from

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Portland immediately to look at these,
and we said, well, it's been

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raining so we're afraid it could be
you know, melting. Well, he

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sent his friend from Happy Camp.
Oh yeah, and he's he's someone that's

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been in this research for forty years
and he actually reported that he verified him.

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He says, they're real and they're
the best put footprints I have seen

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in my entire life. Incredible,
And so I'm going to ask maybe super

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basic bigfoot question, but I'm sure
a few listeners are thinking as well,

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can you cast a track in the
snow? Well, we were asked if

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we had cast him, and we
said, well, we didn't know how

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to cast in the snow because if
you pour plaster and it's just going to

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push it out because plaster is heavier
than snow. But I guess there is

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a material that you can buy.
I guess law enforcement you use it to

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track or to get casts from tire
prints in the snow. Interesting. They

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said it's unexpensive, but you got
buy it online, and so you know,

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eventually we'll probably buy buy some before
we go up next next winter.

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And another thing too, they said
that if you make plaster of paris like

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almost like oatmeal, super thick,
it won't it won't heat up quite as

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bad. And then Also you've seen
that expandable foam. Gave a very good

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suggestion, which I know in the
past I had thought about this method,

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but I didn't know exactly how to
put it into action. But you spray

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the foam in there, then you
put a piece of cardboard over it,

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and then you put something heavy on
it, and so yeah, that would

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work in the snow. So that's
that's something we're gonna do. But it's

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so funny every time we bring plaster
of Paris, we have nothing happened,

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yeah, you know. And what's
so amazing about these prints, especially the

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downhill, you could just see where
they their toes, and every footprint was

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the same creature. But you would
expect if it was a fake, they'd

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all looked like that, every single
one of them. Right, Yeah,

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good point, And yet everyone had
slight variations because of the snow, the

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depth of the snow, you know, how the snow was shaped. You

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know, all those various factors came
into place. And that's what because I've

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always been one of those guys kind
of like less stroud that you know,

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I think there's something out there because
of all the experiences I've had in my

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life. But I want to see
it to believe it, and I want

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to prove it that This to me
kind of set me over that edge because

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I was like, no one could
have faked these things. It was just

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they were Each print was unique because
of the just the slight variation of the

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snow, and so you probably weren't
able to follow the track way into the

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woods a lot because of the snow. I'm guessing when we drove up,

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you know, obviously there was no
snow, and then once the snow started,

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it went from about one hundred twenty
yards and then there was more more

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the snow. Snow had melted,
so it went from asphalt, the snow

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the asphalts. So we once they
got onto the asphalt, we lost,

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you know, we lost the tracks
and we looked. We couldn't really see

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anything in the woods, anything,
any any different prints. And another another

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thing too, when it ran downhill, there was one last print and we

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couldn't tell for sure if it went
into the woods, and it was extremely

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steep off the edge there. So
we were looking for whatever we could find

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as far as in prints and so
forth. But what's interesting, we went

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up two weeks later and we by
that time we could make it up to

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a further distance, like three more
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two feet deep there. It was
like a foot and a half here,

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but it was about two feet deep
there. And there was another fellow with

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us and Todd and him we're holding
back, and I just started walking up

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there and I found very similar tracks
that were a few weeks old, or

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at least a week old. And
I actually took a couple pictures and it

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almost looks like the identical print.
And I walked around, but it was

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just you can't verify it because they're
just not nearest defined anymore. So I

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thought that was interesting too. So
we think we're in a pretty good hot

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spot where we're at. And it's
on and you may want a little more

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history about the Go Road or the
absolutely the ones listening. It's in Orleans

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and it's called ic Road, and
this is the famous road that they were

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going to try to build to connect
with one in Haiuchi, which is near

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Crescent City. And it's like a
little less than three miles before they connected.

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So this road is it's not really
maintained that well, but it's still

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paved, but it's it looks like
it used to be probably two lanes,

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but it's almost down to one lane
now. And they all they do is

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each year they just cut out the
debris and it's closed most of the year

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too. In fact, we went
to a couple areas just this last weekend

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or on Thursday, and most of
the gates to a lot of places are

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still locked, and they normally open
them around the end of May. So

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this year, because of snow and
other things, I think at least seven

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months of the year, these gates
are locked and the go roads like your

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only access up to this place,
and very few people go up there,

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even during hunting season. Last year
we went up there with Todd and myself

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and his wife and it's hunting season. We didn't see one person. Wow,

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because it's it's it's hard to hunt
hunted because of the train. It's

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just up, up and down.
There's this I mean, the only access

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is if you go on the roads
or if you hike in the in the

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creeks, because you can't go you
know from the I think he's just so

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steep. Do you have plans to
research the same area again once the snow

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is gone? Oh? Yeah,
Well, we were up there on Thursday,

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we're playing on going up there for
a full weekend trip the Indus.

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I actually, when I think Tatan
and all his buddies, his Bluff Creek

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guys are gonna GetUp there, No, that's I was gonna. I was

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gonna work that in. So there
might be a little uh cross research going

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on there with with your group and
maybe the Tates. Is that during BC

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nineteen that that they have the hike
going on where they're gonna hike up creek

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or yeah, yeah, well yeah
Tate and inviting me. I said,

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no, that's I'm not doing that. I'll kill me. Same same here.

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I'm I like hard camping. If
I can get through with my truck

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and then hike from there out a
couple of miles, that's fine, But

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not hiking up Bluff Creek. That's
that's gonna be a tough, a tough

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hike. I know it's it's rapids
at the beginning, but that's that's literally

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a whole other episode that listeners can
listen to. It's pretty wild. It's

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gonna be fun talking to them when
they hopefully get back safe and sounds so

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that would be fun for them to
check out for you guys to check out

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that same area during during the summertime. That would be very cool. Yeah,

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m hm. And so I'm guessing
this is not your first rodeo when

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it comes to big bigfoot stuff,
right, guys. No, we've I

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moved up here back in October of
twenty sixteen, met Doug and we started,

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you know, we camping and backpacking
once, and you know, we

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we we did a lot of camping, and and then we were we found

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out we both had a interest in
big big foot. I probably had a

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bigger interest in bigfoot. And then
you know, every time we've been camping,

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he was you know, camping with
a purpose, purpose and we we

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actually had we've had a number of
experiences together. I mean, he he's

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had a lot more. Guess he's
he's been backpack camp here for years,

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but just the last four or five
years, we've had a number of experiences.

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I mean, we we try to
go out, I mean, we

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we grew up in the mountains a
lot, and we don't have experience every

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time we go out. Maybe thirty
percent of the time we go out,

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we have an experience. But in
this area we've we've probably had the majority

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of our experiences in this area,
so we're we're we're going to start the

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concentrate in this area. Oh,
I would say that would be an extremely

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smart move. You know, if
this area is the hot spot, why

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would you why would you go anywhere
else? I mean, yeah, um,

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what kind of what kind of other
things have you experienced well in this

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area. Back in twenty eighteen,
me and a different friend, we had

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drove up the the Go road and
we're doing something. Um, we're checking

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out signs for big for big Foot, and it was getting laced the week.

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Instead of driving home, we found
this campsite which was Laos Camp,

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which at the time we didn't know
about last Laos Camp. We just it's

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a it's a campsite. Later I
realized what Laos Camp was and the history

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and everything. Well, we were
We got there and um, my friend

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went down to the creek to swim. I was making the fire and I

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was sitting there and all of a
sudden I heard this chatter, this harbling

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speak, or this these this language
or this just oh just weird, the

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weirdest thing I've ever heard in the
force. And I'm sitting there going thinking,

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what the heck is this? I
waited. It went off like two

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or three minutes. It sounds like
there was well, there was at least

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two individuals there, possibly three,
and it was like my eight o'clock,

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probably about fifty yards there, about
four yards away. And after a few

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minutes I got up and started walking. I got about twenty steps and it

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it stopped. Then my friend comes
up out of the creek and asked me,

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where's are the people out? What
people? He said, I heard

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people talking. I said, no, that wasn't people, that was some

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squashes. And he's like, really
agree, Yeah, there's doing here,

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dude, this is just being you. Well, then about an hour later

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later, he's laying on the on
the pickety bench because he's trying to take

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it now because he wants to stay
up late, and I'm sitting by the

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fire and he's still awake. He's
laying there and also didn't start to begin

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the same like they say, samurai
chat or what do you wanna call it?

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It's just sure, ye just weird
garbling language. And you know,

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we listened to it for a few
minutes because he was like, do you

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hear that? Go? Yeah,
I'm hearing it, and we're listening to

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it and I get up and started
walking and it it cuts out, it

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stays stopped, and we're like,
that is wild. I mean, that

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was just the most bizarre I thing
I've ever heard in the in the forest.

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And there was nobody We hadn't We
had driven around the whole area for

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probably six hours a day, didn't
see a single soul, no one up

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there at all. I gotta ask
you, were there any Was there any

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recorded audio of the Okay? All
right, I mean we were just starting

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out and we didn't have nothing at
all. We had my friend had a

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camera and I had my cell phone, but you know that's cell phones and

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this was, you know, five
years ago. They don't record an odd

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audio from a distance that good at
all. But that was the first big

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experience I had had You heard the
SIERRAU sounds prior to that, or did

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you hear it afterwards? You had
that experience afterwards? Once I heard it,

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someone said, well, you should
listen to the Sarah sounds. I

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did. I'm like, oh it, man, it wasn't as a as

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a as aggressive, because it was
they were like they were just talking to

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each other, but you could hear
the same type of I won't say language.

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I mean, that's why I keep
saying, but I don't know if

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it's a language, but you can
hear the same tones, the same almost

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like yeah, like words. I
mean, but it was, it was

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It was pretty interesting. That's it. That must have just blown your mind

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when you heard that recording from Ronde
more head out. That would be cool

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if someday you got to talk to
him and you could be like, yeah,

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it's kind of like this, you
know, and you can talk back

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and forth about it. That would
be It may happen, who knows,

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but conferences are like that. But
man, that is wild. Now do

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you have I'm guessing now you have
you're starting to gather up different different equipment

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for your research or yeah we have
a storm immager. Okay, Now I

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just got a drone from my daughter. She had her fiance had a drone

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that he used one time a couple
of years ago, and it was a

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Brinza. He said, yeah,
you can have it. So we we

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just got that. There's last week
and we're getting it, you know,

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all set up, and we're gonna
go practice with it. So we so

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we don't lose it up up in
the mountains, which I think That is

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key for us to talk about for
a minute, because listeners, if you're

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going to go squatching and you have
gear, take some time to practice with

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that gear so you don't there are
so many stories about like, oh I

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had I had the squatch in my
sights on the drone and it wasn't recording,

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or something happened and I wasn't ready, I wasn't prepared. It's worth

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the time to practice a little bit
and make sure you got your bearing straight.

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Although in the heat of the moment
things can just get crazy too.

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So yeah, Doug, I see
you down there. Tell us a little

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bit about from what you've experienced from
your side. Okay, you know what

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Todd's describing, like Laos Camp in
all these places they are very remote.

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Because I had a friend goal,
you know, I don't see how there

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could have been any big foot because
it's only six miles off the road,

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and I go, well, have
you been up those roads? You know,

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because I'm an avid backpacker. I've
been backpacking since I was sixteen years

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old. I grew up in El
Paso, Texas, and I used to

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hike in New Mexico, Northern New
Mexico, Southern New Mexico, came out

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to California and continued that. In
fact, to this day, I even

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am an avid hiker. I've been
doing the Pacific Crest Trail in sections each

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year. But my experiences, I
think go back to during the times of

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my when I had a family and
my kids are all grown, and my

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oldest son actually had an experience at
another lake in the Trinity Alps, and

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he was actually on finding big Foot. He actually had a sighting. I've

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never had a sighting, but we've
always heard weird things in the woods,

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you know, like people talking,
the tree knocks and things like that.

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But I think where I started really
beginning to think because I had a friend.

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He lives in Klama Falls. He's
moved there since then. But we

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took his dog Amos up to a
remote place in the Sisky Wilderness called Bear

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Lakes. And this was in twenty
fourteen, and we took his dog Amos,

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and I got ahead of him.
He goes, oh, just just

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hike at your own pace. It
was really hot that day, so I

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made it down to the lake,
waited and waited and waited, and I

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was in a Incidentally, we had
gone to the Bigfoot Museum in Willow Creek

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because my friend was at Footer.
He loved it, and I got the

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David Politis book about the hoop Hop
Project, so I was just reading that

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in my spare time. I had
some binoculars. Well, the next morning,

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his dog never showed up. Still, he finally made it and he

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goes, Worth, have you seen
my dog? And I go, no,

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it's not here. So I went
looking first the evening before, and

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then in the morning he still hadn't
come. So he wanted to go look

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for his dog. This was at
Bear Lakes in two fourteen, and so

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he takes off and I'm just sitting
there and I'm reading this book, relaxing,

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and I just noticed there's a bunch
of deer grazing across the lake.

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And it's this lake is inaccessible when
it comes to like fishing, because you

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know, many times fishermen will almost
have a trail around a lake. It's

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pretty common. Even in the wilderness
areas, you'll see that. But this

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place was so overgrown, so lush, there was nothing like that. So

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I started noticing these deer acting really
weird, like they kept looking over their

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00:32:30.839 --> 00:32:35.240
shoulders, I mean, worse than
normal. You know, because of their

409
00:32:35.240 --> 00:32:43.119
ears and all the sudden I just
heard this and it starts breaking all these

410
00:32:43.160 --> 00:32:45.759
trees. You could hear all these
limbs snapping, and the next thing you

411
00:32:45.839 --> 00:32:50.799
know, a dough and its fawn
had swam into the middle of the lake

412
00:32:52.400 --> 00:32:57.279
and it sounded like a gorilla breaking
through the trees. I because I've been

413
00:32:57.279 --> 00:33:00.599
in the woods so much, I
know what a black bear is. I

414
00:33:00.640 --> 00:33:04.279
know what they sound like. I've
seen fifty plus black bear because we have

415
00:33:04.440 --> 00:33:08.480
probably the one of the densest populations
of black bear in the North America up

416
00:33:08.519 --> 00:33:13.680
here. I mean, they're They're
all I've seen fifty plus. I've even

417
00:33:13.759 --> 00:33:17.119
seen a grizzly, but that's another
story, even though there's supposedly no grizzlies

418
00:33:17.160 --> 00:33:22.640
in California. Wow, And I
know the difference because I've seen so many

419
00:33:22.680 --> 00:33:24.799
bear. But getting back to this, I was just like, oh my

420
00:33:24.920 --> 00:33:28.799
god, And I was like what
do I do? Because that was freaky,

421
00:33:29.160 --> 00:33:32.240
you know, and to see a
deer flee from this, and so

422
00:33:32.759 --> 00:33:36.799
I decided to walk over there and
see if I could kind of get a

423
00:33:36.839 --> 00:33:38.680
better look. And I got a
little scared. So I just had a

424
00:33:38.680 --> 00:33:44.880
couple of apples and I, you
know, put them in strategic locations in

425
00:33:44.960 --> 00:33:46.839
About a half an hour later,
Bob returned and goes, I couldn't find

426
00:33:46.880 --> 00:33:49.559
my dog. I don't know where
he is. And I go, well,

427
00:33:49.559 --> 00:33:52.799
did you see for and he goes
no, I said, so he

428
00:33:52.880 --> 00:33:54.039
might have just gone back to the
truck, you know, because he's an

429
00:33:54.079 --> 00:33:59.000
older dog. He might have gotten
said forget this. And fortunately that's that's

430
00:33:59.000 --> 00:34:00.680
what happened. When we got back, he was there. So that was

431
00:34:00.720 --> 00:34:05.880
good. So I said, I
told him the experience. And so we

432
00:34:05.920 --> 00:34:10.159
went walking around and one of the
apples was gone, completely gone, nothing,

433
00:34:10.400 --> 00:34:16.679
no evidence of anything. And so
he goes, man, if that

434
00:34:16.760 --> 00:34:20.920
was a Barrett would have taken both
of them, you know, but it

435
00:34:20.920 --> 00:34:22.559
only took one. So we went
down. There's a lower lake and it's

436
00:34:22.559 --> 00:34:25.719
almost inaccessible. You have to go
down this really steep. We found some

437
00:34:25.840 --> 00:34:30.199
prints. Of course we didn't have
anything, you know, but you could

438
00:34:30.239 --> 00:34:35.159
just see something had walked. Really
good sized prints too, I mean,

439
00:34:35.639 --> 00:34:38.360
and they did have the shape similar
to that what you see in the picture

440
00:34:38.400 --> 00:34:44.000
there. And so we were just
like, wow, that was an experience.

441
00:34:44.039 --> 00:34:47.639
And so I had told Todd about
this and he could probably take off

442
00:34:47.639 --> 00:34:52.599
from here, because we ended up
revisiting that lake a few years later and

443
00:34:52.679 --> 00:34:55.599
we had some more wild experiences there, and this was after another forest fire

444
00:34:55.679 --> 00:35:02.679
had ravaged the area. Yeah,
well, first, that's that's incredible.

445
00:35:02.719 --> 00:35:09.360
And I can't imagine being in that
situation where you hear that like that,

446
00:35:09.360 --> 00:35:14.159
that yell and then the gorilla type
Britain. Man, I don't know if

447
00:35:14.159 --> 00:35:15.960
I'd be around. I think i'd
be out of there. Does like that,

448
00:35:16.079 --> 00:35:20.400
well, normally I would, but
I was just so fascinating because it's

449
00:35:20.480 --> 00:35:25.960
it's my scientific side coming across,
you know, And I've just been kind

450
00:35:25.960 --> 00:35:30.079
of that way because I think,
for the most part, I feel safe

451
00:35:30.119 --> 00:35:32.800
around them. But I know the
more I've learned that maybe that's not always

452
00:35:32.800 --> 00:35:37.280
a good idea, because you know, there's been some violent experiences over the

453
00:35:37.559 --> 00:35:40.880
you know, the centuries too,
you know that people have reported. But

454
00:35:42.519 --> 00:35:45.280
yeah, that was I've never heard
anything like it. It was it was

455
00:35:45.440 --> 00:35:50.480
just I was like, man,
these things just might be real. I

456
00:35:50.480 --> 00:35:54.039
mean, because that was no bear
and just to hear limbs breaking, you

457
00:35:54.079 --> 00:35:58.360
know, I mean if one of
us did that, or even a bear,

458
00:35:58.519 --> 00:36:00.800
I mean, I've just never heard
anything like it because it just echoed

459
00:36:00.800 --> 00:36:07.239
throughout that whole cirque there, you
know, and it was just and just

460
00:36:07.320 --> 00:36:13.079
to hear it make that sound and
just all these It's like it was stealthy

461
00:36:13.079 --> 00:36:15.880
waiting to attack. And it probably
did get one of those deer, because

462
00:36:15.920 --> 00:36:19.960
there was about six or seven of
them there, but I saw at least

463
00:36:19.960 --> 00:36:22.920
two of them make it into the
water. And that's what made me realize

464
00:36:23.000 --> 00:36:29.280
there was something really crazy going on
there. So I ended up telling Todd

465
00:36:29.320 --> 00:36:32.880
about it because we've had some other
experiences in other locations over the years,

466
00:36:34.039 --> 00:36:40.079
and then we revisited that lake was
a twenty nineteen I believe, yeah,

467
00:36:40.079 --> 00:36:45.079
and he can he can share what
he had. But these types of experiences

468
00:36:45.079 --> 00:36:49.760
made me think, hmm, there's
something out here because I've had too many

469
00:36:49.840 --> 00:36:55.239
of these experiences in my forty plus
years of backpacking. Oh absolutely, yeah,

470
00:36:55.400 --> 00:37:00.559
Todd, go ahead and jump on
in man. Well, So,

471
00:37:01.039 --> 00:37:07.400
like Doug said in twenty nineteen four
of Us Meet Doug, a friend named

472
00:37:07.400 --> 00:37:10.880
Blaine, and a friend named Caesar. Caesar was the one that heard a

473
00:37:10.960 --> 00:37:17.480
chatter with me at Laos Camp,
so US four backpack in this This place

474
00:37:17.599 --> 00:37:24.159
is fifteen miles off off the road
and then another four four miles hiking in,

475
00:37:24.239 --> 00:37:29.800
so it's it's it's way up past
Happy Camp or to the west of

476
00:37:29.880 --> 00:37:34.719
Happy Camp. So we hike in. We get there. There's a couple,

477
00:37:35.119 --> 00:37:38.960
a young couple at the main I
would say a campsite. It's just

478
00:37:39.000 --> 00:37:44.199
a where if you go there,
that's where you would would camp because it's

479
00:37:44.280 --> 00:37:47.920
a cleared area. They left the
next day, but we they said there's

480
00:37:47.920 --> 00:37:52.199
a campsite over in the trees,
and they said there's kind of dirty.

481
00:37:52.199 --> 00:37:57.079
Well we went over there and it's
a it was a campsite that looks like

482
00:37:57.559 --> 00:38:00.519
I mean, there's it looks like
someone just grabbed the backpacks and left and

483
00:38:00.599 --> 00:38:06.840
they left everything there. They left
tarps, clothes, pans, food,

484
00:38:07.320 --> 00:38:10.719
canned goods, I mean everything.
It's like they just grabbed their backpacks and

485
00:38:10.880 --> 00:38:17.360
fled. Well late later we we
figure why why why they fled, So

486
00:38:17.400 --> 00:38:21.039
we we we cleaned it all up. There's a big old tarps. We

487
00:38:21.079 --> 00:38:22.840
put all the trash and all the
stuff in the tarp. We tied all

488
00:38:22.920 --> 00:38:29.239
up and put it on the side. So we uh sebcamp and that first

489
00:38:29.320 --> 00:38:31.559
night, well we were tied from
hiking, so why I was and we

490
00:38:31.559 --> 00:38:37.159
were out the first night, didn't
hear anything. The next night we were

491
00:38:37.239 --> 00:38:40.840
up, we heard a knock,
a loud knocked from across the lake.

492
00:38:40.880 --> 00:38:45.480
So we're right on this on the
edge of this lake. Behind us are

493
00:38:45.519 --> 00:38:51.760
these granite cliffs. The lake is
kind of like like in a like in

494
00:38:51.800 --> 00:38:59.199
a horseshoe type, so it's very
kind of concealed. So we're we're the

495
00:38:59.559 --> 00:39:04.239
The second night, we hear this
knock, and then about thirty minutes late

496
00:39:04.360 --> 00:39:07.119
later, we hear a knocked behind
us, So like, okay, so

497
00:39:07.440 --> 00:39:16.719
something's happened happening, And then we
hear it sounds like cans or pans going

498
00:39:16.840 --> 00:39:21.440
clank, clank, clank, and
we're like, what the heck was that?

499
00:39:21.559 --> 00:39:25.159
And we assumed it was, you
know, they had picked up some

500
00:39:25.280 --> 00:39:29.639
of the cans that were left behind, or the pots and pans or something.

501
00:39:30.760 --> 00:39:32.800
And I went to bed. I
was a pretty heavy sleep. I'm

502
00:39:32.800 --> 00:39:37.599
a heavy sleeper, so I was
out. Caesar and Blaine had a few

503
00:39:37.599 --> 00:39:43.480
little instances, instances they heard noise
somebody coming in. Then the next night

504
00:39:45.440 --> 00:39:47.559
Caesar had left already, right,
yeah, See Caesar had left, he

505
00:39:47.639 --> 00:39:52.639
had to get back to do a
job or something. And then me and

506
00:39:52.719 --> 00:39:55.360
well, me and Blaine. Doug
walks Caesar out about halfway. Me and

507
00:39:55.400 --> 00:40:00.199
Blaine were at the other camp campsite
wait waiting for Doug, and we hear

508
00:40:00.239 --> 00:40:06.039
this noise up on the other ridge
behind the lake, and Blaine, you

509
00:40:06.119 --> 00:40:10.039
know, he's he starts making you
know, he starts going banana. You

510
00:40:10.079 --> 00:40:14.400
know, we're alloud and echoes,
you're just being a jokester. And we

511
00:40:14.559 --> 00:40:21.159
hear a knock really and we're like
wow, So he does it again.

512
00:40:21.679 --> 00:40:24.679
He says bona no really a loud
and echoes, and we hear what it

513
00:40:24.760 --> 00:40:31.280
sounds like like almost like a almost
like a car door, like a big

514
00:40:31.960 --> 00:40:37.119
car was just like boom. And
we're look at each other and I make

515
00:40:37.159 --> 00:40:39.480
a couple of whoops, you know, and we hear we we're hearing this

516
00:40:39.480 --> 00:40:45.719
this this feedback back back and forth
like ten minutes, and then all of

517
00:40:45.719 --> 00:40:47.639
a sudden, we hear this huge
crash, you know, like like it

518
00:40:47.800 --> 00:40:52.840
pushed over a tree or something,
and just bam. We're like just amazed,

519
00:40:52.880 --> 00:40:58.280
and Dug shows up. Then we
go back to our camp and now

520
00:40:58.360 --> 00:41:02.440
this next night actually actually this is
the last night we're there, right,

521
00:41:02.519 --> 00:41:07.719
yeah, this is the last night
we're there. The third night, I

522
00:41:07.719 --> 00:41:12.599
guess we're there or the second night, well, we we're hanging out.

523
00:41:12.679 --> 00:41:15.880
We you know, we have our
food and we don't only hear hear anything.

524
00:41:16.280 --> 00:41:22.119
So I go ahead and I go
to bed, and about one thirty

525
00:41:22.119 --> 00:41:23.800
in the morning, I wake up
and I hear Doug and Blaine. They're

526
00:41:24.440 --> 00:41:28.039
like in a panic. They're putting
all this wood on the fire. They're

527
00:41:28.079 --> 00:41:30.840
like, let's let's get this fire
going to keep them away. And I

528
00:41:31.000 --> 00:41:34.840
like, hey, what's going on? And like, oh, you're awake.

529
00:41:34.920 --> 00:41:37.039
We we've been trying to wait,
wait up for two hours. There's

530
00:41:37.599 --> 00:41:40.679
there's all the you know, they're
hearing all this noise and stuff coming in.

531
00:41:42.480 --> 00:41:45.119
So I get up and I use
the restroom and I we're sitting there

532
00:41:45.119 --> 00:41:47.679
and you know, they're getting this
fire, just blazing fire, just going

533
00:41:47.719 --> 00:41:53.360
to keep these whatever they're hearing away. But once we get the fire going,

534
00:41:53.519 --> 00:41:57.440
you know, we don't hear anything. So we're up about an hour.

535
00:41:58.400 --> 00:42:02.119
So we figured we let's all go
back to bed, so we I

536
00:42:02.199 --> 00:42:07.800
get my tent um. Dug and
Blaine they go to sleep right right away.

537
00:42:07.880 --> 00:42:13.280
I hear them snoring, and I'm
laying there on my back and I

538
00:42:13.320 --> 00:42:16.000
can see the fire through seeing my
tent. It's getting lower and it's dimming,

539
00:42:16.280 --> 00:42:21.440
and it starts going out. And
then all of a sudden, I

540
00:42:21.519 --> 00:42:29.000
started hearing the brush moving, you
hear the snaps, and I'm laying laying

541
00:42:29.039 --> 00:42:32.639
there and all sudden I can hear
something walking up next to my tent.

542
00:42:32.679 --> 00:42:38.079
I had this like this dry creek
creek bed, and all of a sudden,

543
00:42:38.079 --> 00:42:46.079
I can feel in my back the
footsteps walking up this creek here this,

544
00:42:49.280 --> 00:42:52.679
and I'm like, oh my gosh, this thing is include it gets

545
00:42:52.920 --> 00:42:57.239
it's right outside my tent and probably
ten feet outside my tent, and I'm

546
00:42:57.480 --> 00:43:01.000
laying there wanting to unzip my tents
and look out, but I was so

547
00:43:01.079 --> 00:43:08.880
scared I could not move. And
I'm just later thinking this thing's gonna grab

548
00:43:08.920 --> 00:43:14.199
my tent and drag it into the
forest and I'm, you know, dead,

549
00:43:14.960 --> 00:43:17.079
And all of a sudden, a
brand piece of log falls into the

550
00:43:17.119 --> 00:43:23.000
fire and it ignites the the fireback
up, and this thing takes off out

551
00:43:23.000 --> 00:43:27.880
of camping. You hear boom boom, boom, boom boom, And it

552
00:43:28.000 --> 00:43:31.719
was just I couldn't believe this thing
was and it wasn't a bar because you

553
00:43:31.760 --> 00:43:37.960
can tell the difference between a bipedal
animal and a and a quadruped. This

554
00:43:37.000 --> 00:43:43.519
thing was just but feeling it in
my back when I'm laying there in my

555
00:43:43.599 --> 00:43:47.039
seating bag on the ground feeling them. I guess you call them impact trent

556
00:43:47.119 --> 00:43:52.360
trimmers. You can feel them,
just a boom boom boom, whereas it's

557
00:43:52.400 --> 00:43:57.320
walking up, you know, closer
and closer to my tent. And that

558
00:43:57.480 --> 00:44:00.960
was and and actually that night we
heard the cleaning noise again too, we

559
00:44:01.000 --> 00:44:07.400
heard the metal cleaning, and that
was. I mean, I figured these

560
00:44:07.400 --> 00:44:10.360
people that were there before had the
same kind of experience and it freaked them

561
00:44:10.360 --> 00:44:17.440
out and they just grabbed their backpack
and took off because they left everything behind.

562
00:44:17.519 --> 00:44:22.840
I mean everything, food, clothes, tarps, oh really, hands,

563
00:44:23.239 --> 00:44:28.360
food, They just it's like,
oh man, they just or or

564
00:44:29.199 --> 00:44:32.239
they got grabbed by by the big
the big foot that was there and they

565
00:44:32.280 --> 00:44:38.280
were drug off into the woods.
But they just left everything behind. And

566
00:44:38.320 --> 00:44:43.280
that was and after that we figured, well that's why they they abandoned their

567
00:44:43.320 --> 00:44:49.400
campsite, because I'm sure they probably
had the same same type of experience.

568
00:44:50.440 --> 00:44:54.039
Oh absolutely, I mean, just
imagine if that log had not fallen into

569
00:44:54.079 --> 00:44:59.360
your guys's fire. Oh yeah,
we might not be talking here today,

570
00:44:59.480 --> 00:45:05.559
that's true. I might be doing
in memory of these two dudes episodes.

571
00:45:05.719 --> 00:45:10.320
But I'm glad you're you guys are
here. My goodness, what that was?

572
00:45:10.440 --> 00:45:14.280
That was? I was so scared. I mean, I don't think

573
00:45:14.280 --> 00:45:19.599
I've ever been nest scared before in
my life. It was unbelievable. It

574
00:45:19.719 --> 00:45:25.760
sounds like definitely so you definitely heard
bipedal footsteps, you would steps, and

575
00:45:25.960 --> 00:45:30.599
I felt them in my back laying
on the ground because this thing was close.

576
00:45:30.639 --> 00:45:35.360
I mean it was where else I
my ten It had me, you

577
00:45:35.400 --> 00:45:39.480
know, within ten feet at the
most. Wow. But it was it

578
00:45:39.519 --> 00:45:43.719
was so dark. There was no
moon, there was no it was just

579
00:45:43.760 --> 00:45:46.039
the uh, well, the fire
had yet gone down to basically nothing.

580
00:45:47.320 --> 00:45:51.280
We gotta get you guys some audio
recorders. Man. Yeah, that's the

581
00:45:51.280 --> 00:45:55.679
one thing we don't have. We
don't have any any audio dude. Oh

582
00:45:55.719 --> 00:46:00.800
man, Yeah, but it was
But when it ran away, that was

583
00:46:00.880 --> 00:46:05.800
even because you get to tell it
was a bipedal creature, just a boom

584
00:46:05.840 --> 00:46:12.320
boom boom boom boo, and it
just faded away. I always think it's

585
00:46:12.360 --> 00:46:19.039
interesting when people bring up the sound
of a car door being slammed in the

586
00:46:19.159 --> 00:46:23.960
wilderness, which doesn't make sense.
And how have you guys come to grips

587
00:46:24.039 --> 00:46:30.199
with hearing that in a place where
it should not be heard. Well,

588
00:46:30.559 --> 00:46:35.519
when I was at Laost camp and
Caesar was down in the he had heard

589
00:46:35.599 --> 00:46:39.039
a car door show because he asked
me if I had gotten into my jeep

590
00:46:39.679 --> 00:46:43.440
and I said no, and I
didn't think anything of it. But then

591
00:46:43.480 --> 00:46:50.280
I heard on a on a podcast
the same thing happening, and I thought,

592
00:46:50.599 --> 00:46:54.519
well, that's what it was.
They he heard one of these these

593
00:46:54.599 --> 00:47:01.519
these creatures making a noise that sounded
like a car door shedding a big old

594
00:47:01.639 --> 00:47:07.239
seventies you know, Lincoln, you
know car your big old you know,

595
00:47:07.760 --> 00:47:16.599
eighty pound carridor shut shutting. Just
I don't know if that's something they're hitting

596
00:47:16.599 --> 00:47:22.840
their chest or right, you know. I think about it, and I

597
00:47:22.960 --> 00:47:27.199
was like, do they have the
same ability that a mocking bird has where

598
00:47:27.199 --> 00:47:30.400
they you know, or like a
some some bird in Bigfoot is not a

599
00:47:30.440 --> 00:47:36.000
bird, but some some birds have
the ability to mimic different Uh. You

600
00:47:36.039 --> 00:47:38.400
know, We're walking by my neighbors
the other day and we heard a bird

601
00:47:38.480 --> 00:47:45.480
up in the tree do the sound
of a you know, a heavy machinery

602
00:47:45.599 --> 00:47:49.079
tool buzz saw. And I had
to explain to my son. It was

603
00:47:49.119 --> 00:47:52.320
like, yeah, some birds can
you know, sound make the sounds they

604
00:47:52.360 --> 00:47:55.800
hear in their neighborhood. Maybe it's
the same thing with bigfoot. We don't

605
00:47:55.800 --> 00:48:00.920
know. There's no right or wrong
answers yet, you know, but so

606
00:48:00.119 --> 00:48:07.320
wild dude, Well they're they're smart. They're very smart. They're just smarder

607
00:48:07.320 --> 00:48:10.719
than we are out there in the
in the in the forest, that's for

608
00:48:10.760 --> 00:48:15.960
sure. Yeah. And it's funny
too because I did hear someone that had

609
00:48:15.000 --> 00:48:20.559
a sighting and he said the thing
cupped its hands like this and hit them

610
00:48:20.599 --> 00:48:30.079
together and it made that car door
sound really Um. Yeah, so the

611
00:48:30.239 --> 00:48:37.559
person actually saw the bigfoot, do
h and it made the car door sound

612
00:48:37.639 --> 00:48:42.039
really Yeah. It was in a
podcast I heard from a different group,

613
00:48:42.280 --> 00:48:45.039
but nice. It was in Colorado, and I go, oh, that's

614
00:48:45.079 --> 00:48:49.159
it, because you know, you
hear this sound. But he said this

615
00:48:49.199 --> 00:48:54.639
thing was just really close to him
and it it cupped its hands and smacked

616
00:48:54.679 --> 00:48:59.440
them together and it made that car
door sound. So that may be an

617
00:48:59.440 --> 00:49:01.880
explanation. And see, we're starting
to figure out some things too. Because

618
00:49:01.880 --> 00:49:07.960
we had heard another podcast of where
some people had pulled up to a spring

619
00:49:08.440 --> 00:49:14.679
and it was a spring that apparently
some big foot visited it and they were

620
00:49:14.760 --> 00:49:17.480
harassed because they were by that spring. They had camped there. And it's

621
00:49:17.519 --> 00:49:22.679
funny because last summer, taught and
another friend of ours camp near a spring

622
00:49:22.760 --> 00:49:27.880
and they had activity. And it's
in that same area in the Sisky Wilderness

623
00:49:27.920 --> 00:49:32.760
at another camp it's known as Cedar
Camp. So there's a lot of hot

624
00:49:32.800 --> 00:49:38.440
spots up there. In fact,
last fall we even got to we found

625
00:49:38.440 --> 00:49:43.800
a logging road that had a lot
of trees. We cut them out,

626
00:49:43.880 --> 00:49:46.519
which is interesting. It seems like
the Forest Service put another tree on that

627
00:49:46.599 --> 00:49:51.000
road to keep people out of there, because we just checked that out on

628
00:49:51.079 --> 00:49:52.760
Thursday and we're, oh, wow, they put a tree here. I

629
00:49:52.800 --> 00:50:00.320
guess they didn't like us going down
that road. But anyway, it takes

630
00:50:00.320 --> 00:50:05.280
you to a quarry and it's it's
just close to the headwaters of Bluff Creek

631
00:50:05.880 --> 00:50:10.599
undisclosed location that we're not revealing at
this time, but it were really close,

632
00:50:12.559 --> 00:50:15.480
just a couple of miles probably from
the film site from a different direction,

633
00:50:15.559 --> 00:50:21.880
but we were just eating lunch at
this quarry and it's just a little

634
00:50:21.880 --> 00:50:25.440
a few probably quarter of a mile
from Bluff Creek or a little bit higher

635
00:50:25.519 --> 00:50:30.639
up. And his wife started walking
around, walking on the edge of this

636
00:50:30.719 --> 00:50:35.880
quarry, you know, and there's
like a steep embankment that goes to a

637
00:50:35.960 --> 00:50:39.079
thick grove of trees. And so
she's walking around. She goes, Todd,

638
00:50:39.400 --> 00:50:43.960
let's go. And me and him
are finishing up eating some food.

639
00:50:44.000 --> 00:50:45.159
So she's starting to walk and we
go, we better not let her get

640
00:50:45.199 --> 00:50:47.480
too far ahead of us. We
don't want her walking alone, you know.

641
00:50:49.599 --> 00:50:52.199
So we walk out to look at
where she was at, and I

642
00:50:52.239 --> 00:50:54.320
was just a little ahead of Todd, and I go, wow, this

643
00:50:54.400 --> 00:50:58.760
is really cool. Oh my god, And what I saw just blew me

644
00:50:58.800 --> 00:51:01.280
away. It was like, there's
only two things that could have been a

645
00:51:01.360 --> 00:51:05.360
human and there were no humans because
we saw no human the whole time,

646
00:51:05.920 --> 00:51:12.440
or something of this nature. Because
something had been holding up a furbow and

647
00:51:12.559 --> 00:51:15.719
when it saw me come to the
edge, it dropped it a live tree,

648
00:51:15.840 --> 00:51:20.440
you know how you you know when
someone's like peeking and looking at something

649
00:51:20.480 --> 00:51:24.119
like that. That's exactly what happened. There was no wind, no animals

650
00:51:24.159 --> 00:51:28.280
there at the time they had it
held up and they dropped it, and

651
00:51:28.280 --> 00:51:30.000
that just freaked me out. And
that seems like a little thing, but

652
00:51:30.119 --> 00:51:34.880
to me, that was like one
of the trippiest things out of all my

653
00:51:34.960 --> 00:51:38.519
experiences I've seen, because it was
like someone had been watching her and then

654
00:51:38.559 --> 00:51:44.360
we came to the edge and it
saw us two males, and it just

655
00:51:44.480 --> 00:51:53.480
quickly dropped the branch. Man,
that's wild. That wouldn't make me because

656
00:51:53.519 --> 00:51:58.920
I was like, oh man,
something was watching, you know, because

657
00:51:59.679 --> 00:52:02.599
just it's just like some stranger in
the woods, you know, like lifting

658
00:52:02.679 --> 00:52:07.599
up about trying to get a better
look, you know, is weird.

659
00:52:07.440 --> 00:52:15.199
I am convinced, for some reason
or not, you guys, you're gonna

660
00:52:15.239 --> 00:52:19.440
have one of these days. It's
gonna be face to face. I just

661
00:52:19.559 --> 00:52:23.360
know it. I mean, it
seems like you've already been in so many

662
00:52:23.400 --> 00:52:30.760
different situations where you've been just seconds
away. I mean, it's it's coming.

663
00:52:30.039 --> 00:52:34.800
I just got a feeling it's coming, guys, So get an audio

664
00:52:34.880 --> 00:52:42.000
recorder if you can. Oh man, that's wild. There's one photo we

665
00:52:42.079 --> 00:52:45.880
haven't gone over yet, and I
want to make sure we do because I'm

666
00:52:45.880 --> 00:52:50.280
really curious about it. What tell
me the story about this guy here.

667
00:52:50.800 --> 00:52:54.519
Well, that last January we were
in the same area. Wept go,

668
00:52:55.079 --> 00:52:59.880
but we only got about six miles
up. So we went down this route,

669
00:53:00.079 --> 00:53:05.119
this old logging road that we found. We drove up about a mile

670
00:53:05.159 --> 00:53:07.800
and a half two miles mate,
probably about a mile and a half.

671
00:53:07.840 --> 00:53:10.079
We couldn't go no farther because of
snow. We were in dug trucks.

672
00:53:10.119 --> 00:53:15.239
We got out, hiked in.
We got to a certain point where there's

673
00:53:15.280 --> 00:53:19.679
about a twenty foot cliff. When
we went up to the side of the

674
00:53:19.760 --> 00:53:22.039
road and there was a little flat
spot up there, and Doug had mentioned

675
00:53:22.320 --> 00:53:28.440
this would be a great spot for
a predator to hang out. So we

676
00:53:28.960 --> 00:53:32.079
keep hiking. We hike another probably
half mile or a mile in, and

677
00:53:32.079 --> 00:53:37.119
then the way out, we're hiking
out and we get to that spots and

678
00:53:37.159 --> 00:53:44.599
I kind of like slip on some
ice. I look up and in between

679
00:53:44.639 --> 00:53:51.760
two two bush bushes, I see
brown fur going from one bush to the

680
00:53:51.760 --> 00:53:54.079
other. It was just a split
second, so I couldn't tell what exactly

681
00:53:54.079 --> 00:54:00.199
it was, but gravel came down
the cliff. Something up there obviously cause

682
00:54:00.199 --> 00:54:06.079
I saw something. The gravel came
down, and then there was a tree

683
00:54:06.159 --> 00:54:13.159
probably eight eight inches in diameter of
the trunk. This scene started to shake

684
00:54:13.679 --> 00:54:16.840
and the snow fell off it.
It was shaking pretty I mean pretty violently.

685
00:54:17.320 --> 00:54:22.639
And then we heard about three or
four steps walk away well then,

686
00:54:23.920 --> 00:54:30.239
and then also we heard a couple
of knocks further down. Then when we

687
00:54:30.280 --> 00:54:37.199
found the footprints in April, we
drove back down that road, drove farther

688
00:54:37.320 --> 00:54:42.360
down this other road, and that's
where we found this um, this nest,

689
00:54:42.400 --> 00:54:45.280
which was on the back side of
that little ridge where we had where

690
00:54:45.320 --> 00:54:52.000
I saw that that animal in between
the two bushes. It was probably about

691
00:54:52.079 --> 00:54:57.480
a couple hundred yards away from where
we had the other experience in back in

692
00:54:57.599 --> 00:55:01.719
January. And you can see seemed
Ei there standing this. The trees that

693
00:55:01.960 --> 00:55:09.480
fell probably fell naturally, but something
had dug had broken off all these branches

694
00:55:09.519 --> 00:55:15.760
and made this little cave inside these
uh, these trees that had fallen down,

695
00:55:15.880 --> 00:55:17.920
and they were broken off. They
weren't sought off, they were snapped

696
00:55:17.920 --> 00:55:23.280
off. And I'm standing on the
edge, but you could I got in

697
00:55:23.320 --> 00:55:27.880
there and I laid down and there's
me and you you can see how all

698
00:55:27.920 --> 00:55:31.519
the leaves were matted down nice and
soft, and I mean you could get

699
00:55:31.559 --> 00:55:37.440
back in there six or seven feet. It was a pretty large um area

700
00:55:37.559 --> 00:55:45.960
underneath her easily as Yeah, there's
also some impressions that we found. We

701
00:55:45.960 --> 00:55:52.199
found a couple of prints close by, but that was you found actual prints

702
00:55:52.239 --> 00:55:57.199
near this area. Yeah, they're
on they're on a on a downslope,

703
00:55:57.639 --> 00:56:04.360
get going there. They weren't really
castable, but you could see the one

704
00:56:04.480 --> 00:56:07.519
and the other one was like a
slip it. It wasn't well, I

705
00:56:07.519 --> 00:56:12.239
don't say it was really super fresh. I wasn't sure, but but you

706
00:56:12.239 --> 00:56:15.760
could tell something had broken off the
branches that made a little cave. But

707
00:56:15.920 --> 00:56:22.880
basically that is so interesting. It
probably wasn't a long term nest, but

708
00:56:22.960 --> 00:56:27.920
it's probably something that something had had
hung out for probably you know, a

709
00:56:27.920 --> 00:56:32.119
few weeks or something. And if
and that nest isn't that far from where

710
00:56:32.159 --> 00:56:38.079
we found the prince at. They
were only maybe two miles a straight shot.

711
00:56:38.519 --> 00:56:44.440
Have you guys ever found any any
hair as as you've been going around

712
00:56:44.519 --> 00:56:52.679
anything like that? We found we
found stats really um, we were up

713
00:56:52.679 --> 00:57:01.559
in the training apps one time.
This was probably two nineteen, I think

714
00:57:01.559 --> 00:57:07.960
at the same time, same year, and we were camping in a different

715
00:57:07.960 --> 00:57:13.519
spot but we drove back and hiked
into to an area. We had a

716
00:57:13.519 --> 00:57:16.239
friend with us who had a he
was he had he had a rifle and

717
00:57:16.280 --> 00:57:21.519
a pistol, and we were hiking
around. We found him. Were hiking

718
00:57:21.519 --> 00:57:24.599
back out and we got to a
little clearing where we decided to stop and

719
00:57:24.639 --> 00:57:30.280
get some water and some snacks,
and we heard three knocks within I mean

720
00:57:30.320 --> 00:57:35.400
they were probably thirty feet away from
each other and a couple of seconds apart.

721
00:57:35.440 --> 00:57:38.719
I mean it was like knock,
knock, knock. And we were

722
00:57:38.719 --> 00:57:43.400
like, oh, this is interesting. So Caesar, our friend, and

723
00:57:43.400 --> 00:57:50.920
went up to this area was looking
down behind this wall of bushes. There

724
00:57:50.960 --> 00:57:54.239
was a wall of bushes, but
then it had like a eight foot opening

725
00:57:54.280 --> 00:58:00.559
like a door. Almost Doug went
walked in there. I stayed out just

726
00:58:00.639 --> 00:58:06.199
to watch. He walked into this
this little opening, and he had seen

727
00:58:06.480 --> 00:58:12.280
all these uh impressions. And then
Caesar walks out and he's at the top

728
00:58:12.320 --> 00:58:13.920
and he says, hey, did
someone walked in? We say he had

729
00:58:13.960 --> 00:58:15.719
Doug. Doug walked and he said, okay, so he thought he saw

730
00:58:15.800 --> 00:58:20.840
Doug. Well, we were at
the camp fire that night. We had

731
00:58:21.840 --> 00:58:24.960
realized it wasn't Doug. That he
saw it because Doug wasn't only he was

732
00:58:25.079 --> 00:58:30.639
right inside the tree line, he
wasn't thirty yards in. So the next

733
00:58:30.719 --> 00:58:37.840
day we figured, let's go back
there and will we will we recreate it.

734
00:58:37.880 --> 00:58:39.920
So we get there, Doug goes
where he was at, Caesar goes

735
00:58:39.960 --> 00:58:45.280
where he was at. I go
where Caesar sees this black figure walk by.

736
00:58:47.199 --> 00:58:51.800
He only sees like my my shoulders
on my head. He saw the

737
00:58:51.920 --> 00:58:57.719
waist up of this scene. It
was in this little ravine and we're so

738
00:58:57.800 --> 00:59:00.360
we figured, okay, he says, you know, he probably saw a

739
00:59:00.599 --> 00:59:06.000
squads And we had those three knocks. And then when we actually went that

740
00:59:06.119 --> 00:59:09.159
that same day, when we pulled
up to the area, he said,

741
00:59:09.800 --> 00:59:13.960
we're watched. When we pull up
and we walked to that ridge, we'll

742
00:59:14.000 --> 00:59:15.559
hear a knock. And I said, nah, we' don't go hear a

743
00:59:15.599 --> 00:59:17.480
knock. And as soon we walked
to that ridge, we heard a knock.

744
00:59:19.239 --> 00:59:22.800
We we were here a knocks all
day. We probably heard fifteen to

745
00:59:22.840 --> 00:59:27.719
twenty knocks that day. So we're
we're in this area, we're there's all

746
00:59:27.800 --> 00:59:30.679
kinds of impressions, just all kinds
of but you couldn't really there's you know,

747
00:59:30.800 --> 00:59:35.760
a lot of leaf material and branches. So we hike up over this

748
00:59:35.840 --> 00:59:42.519
little ridge and we come into this
huge bowl area, like a a five

749
00:59:42.559 --> 00:59:47.400
acre area, just a huge bowl. And I'm thinking this is a great

750
00:59:47.480 --> 00:59:54.599
spot because from the ridge you can
see all areas. So we're hiking and

751
00:59:54.880 --> 00:59:59.559
you see all kinds of impressions,
tree breaks, and we get to this

752
00:59:59.639 --> 01:00:02.519
spot. It was about a thirty
foot by thirty foot area where it had

753
01:00:05.320 --> 01:00:09.480
just piles and piles of scats on
top of each other. Really, I

754
01:00:09.519 --> 01:00:13.239
mean, just huge amount of things. We're like, well, this is

755
01:00:13.360 --> 01:00:17.239
crazy, and we're hearing, you
know, tree knocks all around, you

756
01:00:17.280 --> 01:00:22.280
know, every as you're looking at
the scats. Minutes we're hearing that.

757
01:00:22.440 --> 01:00:27.440
We hear like we heard like fifteen
or twenty that day, just and well

758
01:00:27.519 --> 01:00:35.239
this that's not the best of it. Behind this scat there's these logs piled

759
01:00:35.320 --> 01:00:37.119
up. Caesar is looking down there
looking at there. You can't really see

760
01:00:37.239 --> 01:00:42.679
us bushes. And then we all
look around you where we go different areas,

761
01:00:42.679 --> 01:00:46.079
and we come back to the scat
area and we're standing there and all

762
01:00:46.079 --> 01:00:51.519
of a sudden we hear this.
Yeah, I mean, it wasn't even

763
01:00:51.519 --> 01:00:55.719
a knock it was a something took
a huge log and just crashed. It

764
01:00:55.880 --> 01:01:00.480
was a we we we could feel
in our bodies. I mean, this

765
01:01:00.559 --> 01:01:07.559
was probably thirty yards away, just
a crack, and we thought, okay,

766
01:01:07.760 --> 01:01:13.119
we need to leave. I think
we got too close to their their

767
01:01:13.199 --> 01:01:15.880
nests or there where we're there,
you know, their base camp or whatever

768
01:01:15.920 --> 01:01:20.239
you want to call it. Is
that the day before we had four around

769
01:01:20.280 --> 01:01:22.519
us. We had three in front
of us, and then the one that

770
01:01:22.599 --> 01:01:28.599
Caesar saw, and then this,
and then we saw that that bathroom,

771
01:01:28.679 --> 01:01:32.119
I mean basically a bigfoot bathroom.
Yeah, because I mean this stuff was

772
01:01:32.199 --> 01:01:36.599
huge. It wasn't bear because bear
don't poop in the same spot. They

773
01:01:36.639 --> 01:01:39.280
just poop where wherever they got to
go poop. But this was like on

774
01:01:39.400 --> 01:01:45.280
top of where we think they were
living at. And this was like things

775
01:01:45.280 --> 01:01:47.159
even weekends, so it was there
was no snow yet, but it was

776
01:01:47.719 --> 01:01:51.679
you know, chilly at night.
It was cold, cold at night and

777
01:01:51.800 --> 01:01:55.360
you know, in the fifties during
during during the day because it was sunny,

778
01:01:57.159 --> 01:02:00.159
but it was just Yeah, once
we heard that that crash, we

779
01:02:00.639 --> 01:02:06.519
started walking out and as we walked
out, we could hear noises in the

780
01:02:06.559 --> 01:02:10.119
brush and knocks as we walked out, like like they were escorting us out.

781
01:02:12.559 --> 01:02:19.639
And that was that one, and
Bare Lakes was probably the two wildest

782
01:02:19.760 --> 01:02:27.079
experiences that we've had together. That's
a wild and that's another wild story.

783
01:02:27.320 --> 01:02:30.719
But I have some questions. We're
gonna get real for a little bit.

784
01:02:30.920 --> 01:02:37.280
I have some questions about the scat
guys, So because I just had an

785
01:02:37.320 --> 01:02:44.239
interview to do with something similar to
this, So, can you describe how

786
01:02:44.280 --> 01:02:53.639
this scat looked? Yeah, I
would say it looked like there was definitely

787
01:02:53.639 --> 01:03:00.719
a because I know bear you can
see when they have eaten grass versus when

788
01:03:00.719 --> 01:03:05.559
they've had game. Because I've been
up in some areas where I've found a

789
01:03:05.559 --> 01:03:08.440
lot of bear dens and so forth. Because the guy that was with us,

790
01:03:08.440 --> 01:03:13.880
the hunter, he's a total skeptic, and he had to admit he

791
01:03:14.000 --> 01:03:16.039
heard the tree knox that first day. He left the next day and then

792
01:03:16.079 --> 01:03:20.079
we had this bigger experience. He
had to admit he heard the tree knox,

793
01:03:20.159 --> 01:03:22.360
but he was trying to say,
oh, I you know, maybe

794
01:03:22.360 --> 01:03:24.960
it's just moisture in the trees and
making that noise, and I go those

795
01:03:25.039 --> 01:03:30.199
knocks hunting it. So he had
to admit it so I've been hiking with

796
01:03:30.280 --> 01:03:34.159
him in some very remote areas of
the Trinity Alps. But this scat,

797
01:03:35.280 --> 01:03:44.880
it it has a kind of a
human appearance, but much bigger. I

798
01:03:44.960 --> 01:03:50.639
mean, it's it's it's not like
bear, you know, it's more defined.

799
01:03:51.480 --> 01:03:54.239
And this had some grass in it
and some other hair and things of

800
01:03:54.239 --> 01:04:00.840
that nature, but it just it
almost looked like oversized. Well I've I've

801
01:04:00.840 --> 01:04:05.239
tried to look at ape scat online
because it's like it's so you know,

802
01:04:05.280 --> 01:04:10.239
it's funny because you have orangutangs and
a gorillas, but it had that similar

803
01:04:10.280 --> 01:04:15.320
look. But it was just a
pile of it. And and I find

804
01:04:15.360 --> 01:04:17.800
it hard to believe that a bear
would just keep going back to the exact

805
01:04:17.840 --> 01:04:21.320
same spot. I've never really seen
that. I mean, I know they

806
01:04:21.400 --> 01:04:25.679
do that to some extent, but
not such a large area. This was

807
01:04:25.760 --> 01:04:30.639
like a big area that looked like
it had been used for you know,

808
01:04:31.599 --> 01:04:35.960
a year or something. So it
was like a massive like this is a

809
01:04:36.000 --> 01:04:44.079
massive amount of scat, yes,
really, yeah, yeah, it was

810
01:04:44.159 --> 01:04:47.119
big. And yet when we went
later when it starts snow and went back

811
01:04:47.119 --> 01:04:53.880
to that place in the spring,
it was all gone. And then we've

812
01:04:53.880 --> 01:04:58.400
been and we've had no we've had
no experiences there since. It's almost like

813
01:04:58.440 --> 01:05:12.280
they moved on. Wow, we
got you close. That is just absolutely

814
01:05:12.320 --> 01:05:15.400
wild. Yeah, it's like we
got too uh too close to him.

815
01:05:15.599 --> 01:05:23.119
And after that they just bailed.
Yeah. Absolutely, they didn't want you

816
01:05:23.199 --> 01:05:25.840
know, they said, well they
they found us here, let's move on.

817
01:05:27.000 --> 01:05:39.320
Yeah, that was there was another
unique situation. Man, guys,

818
01:05:39.360 --> 01:05:44.599
this you gotta come. You gotta
come up with a name for it's obviously

819
01:05:44.639 --> 01:05:46.360
you got it. You got an
awesome group going on. You definitely got

820
01:05:46.480 --> 01:05:50.719
to have a name that you're pulling
up with someday. There's only three of

821
01:05:50.800 --> 01:05:59.400
us right now, so majority majority
can rule then. So they oh,

822
01:05:59.440 --> 01:06:06.559
man, some wild, wild stories
in I will love to hear what comes

823
01:06:06.599 --> 01:06:13.400
from you guys hanging out with Tate
and all the guys. That's just that's

824
01:06:13.519 --> 01:06:15.559
that's going to be wild. Has
anything Have you ever been out in the

825
01:06:15.559 --> 01:06:24.199
woods and something weird has happened but
it's maybe not You're like, yeah,

826
01:06:24.239 --> 01:06:27.599
that's not Bigfoot, but I don't
really know what's going on here, anything

827
01:06:27.639 --> 01:06:33.079
weird like that. Um. I
was actually with my friend that's the hunter.

828
01:06:34.440 --> 01:06:38.000
We were hiking in the foot and
a half of snow. We were

829
01:06:38.000 --> 01:06:43.039
going to go up to the lookout
that's in it's old ironsides. It's on

830
01:06:43.079 --> 01:06:47.039
the way past Willow Creek towards Weaverville
on two ninety nine and you can take

831
01:06:47.079 --> 01:06:53.119
some of those back logging roads there. It's kind of near Del Loma.

832
01:06:53.559 --> 01:06:56.960
We went hiking because we couldn't make
it to the lookout way too much snow,

833
01:06:57.000 --> 01:07:00.159
so we just parked the truck and
we start hiking. And as we

834
01:07:00.199 --> 01:07:08.679
were walking back, we got a
low just this low um frequency that just

835
01:07:08.719 --> 01:07:11.760
went and it just went right through
us. And you know, I've heard

836
01:07:11.800 --> 01:07:15.960
that predators can do that low,
you know sound, and he even he

837
01:07:16.039 --> 01:07:19.400
even noticed. He goes, wow, what was that? That was weird?

838
01:07:19.559 --> 01:07:21.719
I go, yeah, that was
like a low frequency. I go,

839
01:07:21.800 --> 01:07:26.800
I heard predators do that. And
he's always trying to because he's had

840
01:07:26.840 --> 01:07:30.159
some experiences, but he never wants
to admit that it's anything, you know,

841
01:07:30.159 --> 01:07:32.719
because he once heard a scream that
sound. He called it like a

842
01:07:32.960 --> 01:07:38.400
terra doctyl. It was just this, oh that that has to be a

843
01:07:38.440 --> 01:07:42.039
bear. So even in this case, he said, oh, maybe bucks

844
01:07:42.079 --> 01:07:45.360
do that. Because he's an avid
hunter. So um, I said,

845
01:07:45.400 --> 01:07:49.719
okay, and so he got way
ahead of me on that on that particular

846
01:07:49.840 --> 01:07:54.280
hike, because I brought the wrong
shoes. I brought my shoes that I

847
01:07:54.400 --> 01:07:57.920
used for backpacking, you know,
trail runners, and I should have been

848
01:07:57.920 --> 01:08:00.960
wearing boots that day because we were
hiking in foot and a half of snow

849
01:08:00.960 --> 01:08:02.719
and my feet were soaking wet.
So I was slowing down a little bit,

850
01:08:03.480 --> 01:08:06.559
and all of a sudden, I
heard what I thought were kids having

851
01:08:06.559 --> 01:08:12.119
a snowball fight by his truck,
and I go, that's weird. I

852
01:08:12.159 --> 01:08:16.359
heard this like kids playing, but
couldn't make out anything. And then I

853
01:08:16.399 --> 01:08:21.199
look around the corner and I realized
we're still a ridge away from his truck.

854
01:08:23.520 --> 01:08:26.359
Oh man, And I heard it
down on the hill. I never

855
01:08:26.399 --> 01:08:29.279
told him about it because I just, you know, I knew he would

856
01:08:29.279 --> 01:08:31.079
just make fun of me. But
I just thought that was kind of bizarre.

857
01:08:31.680 --> 01:08:35.279
So that was kind of an interesting
experience. And I have heard chattered

858
01:08:35.279 --> 01:08:39.279
like Todd brought out and I was
getting ready to turn on my phone,

859
01:08:39.279 --> 01:08:43.720
but someone called out my name and
it stopped. And back at this other

860
01:08:43.760 --> 01:08:47.279
place we called dry Camp, and
then and then one time there was a

861
01:08:47.319 --> 01:08:51.359
major bit of dry lightning it started
a bunch of fires. I think it

862
01:08:51.399 --> 01:08:59.199
was back in like two thousand sixteen
or so. We heard my ex wife

863
01:08:59.239 --> 01:09:02.159
and and some of us, you
know, my kids that were there,

864
01:09:02.199 --> 01:09:05.640
and my daughter who was married and
her husband. We all heard what sounded

865
01:09:05.680 --> 01:09:10.319
like people talking like they were way
down the truck. Isn't that weird?

866
01:09:10.479 --> 01:09:12.840
But we couldn't make out what it
was. What was going on? Go

867
01:09:12.880 --> 01:09:15.000
why are these people hiking around at
eleven o'clock at night? You know,

868
01:09:15.359 --> 01:09:20.880
and there's this dry lightning starting to
happen. And later we came to the

869
01:09:20.920 --> 01:09:26.319
conclusion that we think it was probably
squatches on the move, and we just

870
01:09:26.359 --> 01:09:30.359
thought it was people. And so
we've just had a lot of experiences like

871
01:09:30.439 --> 01:09:33.439
that over the years, you know, And it just took me a while

872
01:09:33.479 --> 01:09:36.039
to kind of put it all together, you know, because I mean when

873
01:09:36.079 --> 01:09:40.479
I was a kid, I loved
the Patterson Gimmlin film. You know,

874
01:09:40.520 --> 01:09:44.239
I lived in El Paso, but
I didn't even realize untill much later that

875
01:09:44.279 --> 01:09:47.479
I was living when I moved up
here years later, I little did I

876
01:09:47.520 --> 01:09:51.159
realize I was this close to this
whole area, you know. So I

877
01:09:51.199 --> 01:09:56.920
would always think about these things,
but I just I just love nature,

878
01:09:57.479 --> 01:10:00.119
so I always go with the purpose. It's kind of funny because my one

879
01:10:00.159 --> 01:10:03.399
friend always wants to take me,
but he wants the purpose of hunting.

880
01:10:03.880 --> 01:10:06.760
And then I go of Todd and
his purpose is to look for bigfoot.

881
01:10:08.079 --> 01:10:11.560
So that's probably why I get away
from them all sometimes in hike the Pacific

882
01:10:11.600 --> 01:10:15.560
Crest Trail with another friend because I
just love I love nature. I just

883
01:10:15.600 --> 01:10:19.119
love hiking. I've been to almost
every lake in the Alps Marble Mountains,

884
01:10:19.640 --> 01:10:25.439
and now I'm focusing on the Ciscus
More, which it's it's if there's a

885
01:10:25.439 --> 01:10:30.960
place it would be, it's there
because it's so remote. So you mentioned

886
01:10:30.039 --> 01:10:34.840
the Marble Mountains. Have you been
to the area where that famous video is,

887
01:10:34.880 --> 01:10:40.119
then yes, I have, I
wasn't quite there. I've been to

888
01:10:40.319 --> 01:10:43.960
the Sky High Lakes, and I've
hiked a bunch of those other loops.

889
01:10:44.119 --> 01:10:48.720
But I was the one day planning
on making it to Paradise Lake and you

890
01:10:48.760 --> 01:10:55.960
know, King's Castle. But my
friend, who likes to control the hiking

891
01:10:56.319 --> 01:11:00.239
routine, you got us go in
a different direction, so I have to

892
01:11:00.279 --> 01:11:02.119
get back over there. But I
know the area. I could see it

893
01:11:02.720 --> 01:11:05.560
where I was at, you know, because We're high on the ridge by

894
01:11:05.640 --> 01:11:12.319
Marble Mountain and you could see that
where King's Castle was. It was just

895
01:11:12.359 --> 01:11:15.479
like five miles away. But I'm
planning on getting there too. And then,

896
01:11:16.079 --> 01:11:21.479
like I mentioned before, my oldest
son actually had an eyewitness experience at

897
01:11:21.479 --> 01:11:27.000
two in the morning. He was
on Finding Bigfoot actually because of it in

898
01:11:27.199 --> 01:11:31.199
the Trinity Alps, and that was
an interesting experience he had because he actually

899
01:11:31.199 --> 01:11:34.960
saw it walk into the camp,
smelt it his full moon. It tried

900
01:11:35.000 --> 01:11:42.479
to unzip his pack and really yeah, and then he yelled at it and

901
01:11:42.560 --> 01:11:45.479
it dropped the pack on the tent. Woke up his wife at the time,

902
01:11:45.520 --> 01:11:50.520
and one of the frenzies with had
spotted something earlier before dusk and was

903
01:11:50.600 --> 01:11:56.680
scared. And so he ended up
getting on the you know, on that

904
01:11:57.079 --> 01:12:01.239
feature on a Finding Bigfoot. Animal
Planet called them up. So kind of

905
01:12:01.319 --> 01:12:04.760
runs. I guess we all kind
of in our family seem to have this

906
01:12:05.880 --> 01:12:10.119
tendency to have these things, and
I'm not purposely looking for it. Maybe

907
01:12:10.119 --> 01:12:15.159
That's why I've had so many experiences. I think if I start actively trying

908
01:12:15.199 --> 01:12:17.840
to find it, then it's going
to stop. You know. It just

909
01:12:17.880 --> 01:12:25.600
seems like you guys have an interesting
luck to you where it definitely seems to

910
01:12:25.640 --> 01:12:31.840
intersect your paths. A question for
each of you that usually comes up.

911
01:12:31.920 --> 01:12:38.560
So, you know, thinking of
the bigfoot sasquatch, the creature, what

912
01:12:38.600 --> 01:12:43.680
do you think it is exactly that
that we're dealing with here? Well,

913
01:12:43.760 --> 01:12:47.880
I believe it's as an animal.
It's a great airport. It's some kind

914
01:12:47.920 --> 01:12:57.479
of primate species that lives here in
North America, lives in probably South America.

915
01:12:57.920 --> 01:13:00.319
I mean there's different sizes. You
know, you got the small ones

916
01:13:00.359 --> 01:13:08.920
in Indonesia, you got the almasses
in Russia. They're just different size upright,

917
01:13:09.039 --> 01:13:18.600
walking bipedal primates, flesh and blood
and like a bear or Mount Leonie.

918
01:13:18.640 --> 01:13:24.800
It's just there's another animal that that
lives here on earth. Absolutely,

919
01:13:25.800 --> 01:13:31.159
and Doug I feel much the same
way. Um I really shy away from

920
01:13:31.199 --> 01:13:38.479
the UFO stuff and all that bizarre
stuff. Um I thought at times maybe

921
01:13:38.520 --> 01:13:43.399
it could be a spirit, but
personally, I think it's a bipedal creature

922
01:13:43.479 --> 01:13:47.560
that's probably similar to the orangutang or
gorilla family. Because you know that they

923
01:13:47.760 --> 01:13:54.359
they've discovered those billy apes in Africa
that are human sized chimp, you know,

924
01:13:54.359 --> 01:13:59.199
they call them human sized lion killers. Yeah, and um so I'm

925
01:13:59.239 --> 01:14:03.439
I'm of the feeling that it's just
an undiscovered primate that, you know,

926
01:14:03.520 --> 01:14:08.800
maybe is a survivor of giant pithecus. Who knows. That's mineling, Especially

927
01:14:08.840 --> 01:14:14.199
after seeing these footprints. I was
like, you know, spirits don't make

928
01:14:15.680 --> 01:14:21.119
literal footprints like deer and fox and
coyote and cougar and baron in the snow.

929
01:14:21.279 --> 01:14:28.119
At least I've never seen that happen. Yeah, And the cool thing

930
01:14:28.159 --> 01:14:30.880
about this show is there's no right
around answers because we don't have one captured

931
01:14:30.960 --> 01:14:35.840
yet or you know, equivalent.
But I do have to say I agree

932
01:14:35.880 --> 01:14:44.279
with you guys personally, especially after
talking you know, the stories I've talked

933
01:14:44.319 --> 01:14:47.319
to people about that come out of
Oklahoma as well. I mean, it

934
01:14:47.479 --> 01:14:51.640
just to me, it just adds
up that we're looking at a is some

935
01:14:51.800 --> 01:14:59.560
type of undiscovered great ape of North
America. So I totally I'm on that

936
01:15:00.119 --> 01:15:03.640
the same path that you guys are, I think. But uh wow,

937
01:15:03.760 --> 01:15:09.079
it has been an amazing track.
I'm so glad that we were able to

938
01:15:09.399 --> 01:15:15.000
connect. But what what's what's next
for you guys? What are what are

939
01:15:15.039 --> 01:15:20.079
the goals going forward? That you
would like to see happen with your group.

940
01:15:23.600 --> 01:15:26.960
Well, I do want to see
one. That's I mean, I

941
01:15:27.000 --> 01:15:30.600
would like to definitely see one.
I don't know about face or face,

942
01:15:30.680 --> 01:15:34.520
but at least where I can definitely
say, okay, that's a bigfoot.

943
01:15:35.880 --> 01:15:41.560
I haven't, you know, never
seen see one personally as a group.

944
01:15:42.920 --> 01:15:46.760
I mean just I mean not just
for our group, but any group.

945
01:15:46.800 --> 01:15:53.520
I would like to see the see
it discovered as a and and made a

946
01:15:53.520 --> 01:15:59.600
a definite species. That would be
great. I mean I don't want to

947
01:16:00.239 --> 01:16:05.560
one, but I would you love
to see it recognized by the scientific community

948
01:16:05.560 --> 01:16:14.279
that it is a real animal and
needs uh you know protection. Yeah,

949
01:16:14.520 --> 01:16:17.680
I agree, And Doug and I'm
I'm along the same lines. You know,

950
01:16:17.720 --> 01:16:25.760
we're kind of unconventional researchers because you
know, I've I've gone backed off

951
01:16:25.800 --> 01:16:30.119
on doing calls, even though I
can do a pretty loud one and tree

952
01:16:30.199 --> 01:16:35.560
knocks. We're we're starting to get
into more of a stealthy type situation with

953
01:16:35.640 --> 01:16:41.239
them, where we will incorporate those
things as we go. But I just

954
01:16:41.279 --> 01:16:47.079
would like to find because I think
it exists. I think there's something out

955
01:16:47.079 --> 01:16:51.680
there. It has to be because
there's just too many footprints now and too

956
01:16:51.680 --> 01:16:59.439
many experiences, and so if it
could be protected because I think there's I

957
01:16:59.479 --> 01:17:02.640
think as humans sometimes we get this
idea that we know more than we really

958
01:17:02.680 --> 01:17:09.159
know, and it would just kind
to lay rest too, because I know,

959
01:17:09.279 --> 01:17:12.000
I bet surely there's a lot more
experiences out there, and people are

960
01:17:12.000 --> 01:17:15.880
just afraid because I mean, we
get ridiculed a little bit from our friends,

961
01:17:15.920 --> 01:17:17.239
you know, they think, oh, you're going out and doing that,

962
01:17:17.439 --> 01:17:20.279
you know, and it's okay,
I don't care, you know,

963
01:17:20.399 --> 01:17:24.920
that doesn't bother me. But I
think there's a lot of others that maybe

964
01:17:25.000 --> 01:17:29.640
have really good stories that are afraid
to do that because of that, because

965
01:17:29.680 --> 01:17:32.159
it's kind of a it's one of
those fifty fifty things, you know,

966
01:17:32.600 --> 01:17:39.840
where people either think you're crazy,
that you're searching for some mythological creature or

967
01:17:39.880 --> 01:17:45.960
if it's real. So it'd be
kind of nice to get more proof so

968
01:17:45.000 --> 01:17:49.640
that it could be laid to rest
once and for all. Absolutely, I

969
01:17:50.319 --> 01:17:55.560
agree with you. It would be
awesome if we could, you know,

970
01:17:55.720 --> 01:17:59.840
get the video footage or something that
would finally put it to rest too,

971
01:18:00.319 --> 01:18:05.319
to prove it as a species.
Todd and Doug this has been just an

972
01:18:05.359 --> 01:18:10.560
awesome chat. Thank you so much
for coming on. How can people keep

973
01:18:10.640 --> 01:18:15.479
up to date with what you are
doing in your research or you guys kind

974
01:18:15.479 --> 01:18:20.760
of undercover unless someone pulls you into
an interview. Well, I have a

975
01:18:21.239 --> 01:18:30.479
personal Facebook page. They get you
know, Todd samples on Facebook, but

976
01:18:30.560 --> 01:18:38.359
we don't really have a legitimate website
or Facebook. Yeah, we are working

977
01:18:38.359 --> 01:18:43.800
on that. So if we do
have one, it will be entitled Bigfoot

978
01:18:43.560 --> 01:18:50.159
Wilderness Research. So that's where it
will be hopefully in the next month or

979
01:18:50.199 --> 01:18:57.520
two. That's the plan. That's
awesome that we have these pictures. We

980
01:18:57.680 --> 01:19:00.840
have other pictures that we have on
line. Then why about that on there?

981
01:19:03.560 --> 01:19:10.119
Very cool, So listeners you'll want
to definitely keep up to date with

982
01:19:11.279 --> 01:19:15.600
what they are doing and I'll update
the links once I see that come out.

983
01:19:15.720 --> 01:19:19.079
But Todd and do thank you so
much for coming on tonight. And

984
01:19:19.119 --> 01:19:24.680
it's been a pleasure. Thank you
very much, Thank you very much.

985
01:19:24.720 --> 01:19:29.800
It's been really enjoyable and real quick
before we go, one last thing,

986
01:19:30.439 --> 01:19:35.079
if you're in Iowa and you would
like to hear me give a presentation,

987
01:19:35.279 --> 01:19:42.039
I am doing presentations at the Irlham
Public Library and Erlham, Iowa for their

988
01:19:42.039 --> 01:19:48.199
summer reading program. The first one
is coming up soon. On June thirtieth,

989
01:19:48.680 --> 01:19:55.039
at three pm Central Standard time,
I will be doing an our presentation

990
01:19:55.159 --> 01:20:03.680
on how to start your own podcast. Also on July twenty eighth, at

991
01:20:03.720 --> 01:20:09.960
three pm Central Standard time, I'll
be doing a presentation on Bigfoot. If

992
01:20:09.960 --> 01:20:15.520
you're in Iowa, you probably will
definitely want to hear this presentation as be

993
01:20:15.600 --> 01:20:20.079
talking about bigfoot in general for the
first fifteen minutes, then fifteen minutes or

994
01:20:20.159 --> 01:20:24.319
so on Bigfoot in Iowa. Be
talking about a lot of stuff that I

995
01:20:24.359 --> 01:20:30.199
haven't really shared before, and then
we'll see where the last fifteen minutes go.

996
01:20:30.479 --> 01:20:33.640
Yeah, there's some stuff bigfoot in
Irlam, so you won't want to

997
01:20:33.640 --> 01:20:36.760
miss that. And then there'll be
a Q and A at the end for

998
01:20:36.880 --> 01:20:42.199
fifteen minutes. But no cost for
this. It's just part of the Irlam

999
01:20:42.239 --> 01:20:46.199
Public Library Summer Reading program again.
June thirtieth, three pm Central Standard time

1000
01:20:46.199 --> 01:20:50.159
for the podcast one. In July
twenty eighth, three pm Central Standard time

1001
01:20:50.239 --> 01:20:56.960
for the big Foot one Irelan Public
Library in Irlam, Iowa. We'll see

1002
01:20:56.960 --> 01:21:01.000
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01:21:05.840 --> 01:21:10.720
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1005
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1006
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1007
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01:21:58.640 --> 01:22:02.800
share your Bigfoot counter form a little
lower on the page, and please take

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a minute to share as many details
as you can. Please state if the

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encounter is anonymous or what name you
would like associated with the encounter, and

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as always, thanks for listening.