Bigfoot Encounter: "I'll Stay, Even If Torn Apart"

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Because I wanted to get out of
there, but I didn't. I walked

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at the front of the car,
leaned up against the hood. Now these

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things are back at me. Now
I got my back at them, and

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they're just still screaming and holler and
and really carrying on. What I thought

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that this is it. I'm staying. I don't care if they care me

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at part. I'm staying here.
In this episode, I talked to Ronald

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Ronnie Roseman from Oregon about some of
the most incredible encounters I've experienced so far

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on big Foot Society. What did
Ronnie experience in that remote Oregon meadow?

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If you only listen to one more
episode of big Foot Society, make this

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the one. Thanks for listening,
all right, big Society. We got

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the privilege of talking to mister Ronnie
Roseman to I. He's from the Pacific

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Northwest, he's got years of bigfoot
experience. And how are you doing tonight,

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Ronnie? I'm doing fine. Yeah, A long time since men ready.

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Yeah, it's like the new version
of radio in a way. It's

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it's a lot of fun. Let's
start at the beginning, Ronnie, So

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tell me what was it that first
got you into big footing years ago.

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I don't know. I've always think
weird. I as a kid, I

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just was always attracted to mysteries and
explained things and phenomena's and stuff. At

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a very early age, name is
fourth fifth grade, I got a book

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called Stranger Than Fiction I Frank Edwards, I believe it was. I read

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that and had something in there,
the Obama of Snowman. I got interested

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in that. I think it was
eight and then I was telling and aunt

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I had. I lived in southern
California at the time. I had a

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aunt that lived in Eureka, which
was eight hundred miles away California, and

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she knew about me being an interest
in Bomo Snowman. So it was during

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the time that the road construction known
in California Bluff Creek area was going by

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Ray Wallace there, and she saved
all the clippings for me on the big

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Foot because that's when the big Foot
best word of the name of Bigfoot originated

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the Bluff Creek area during the nineteen
fifty eight I think it was or fifty

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nine. Okay, yeah, So
Jerry Cooney was seeing the tracks around as

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all those they went to the newspaper
and Humboldt or whatever it was there Eureka.

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But and then the picture was on. Anyway, she saved all the

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newspaper clippings for me, and I
did so when she came down for a

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Christmas she I got that as a
Christmas president. So I got interested in

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Bigfoot at that time. And I
think I was nine years old, So

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that was my beginning. You were
around nine to ten in the late fifties.

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What I'm hearing there? Yes,
okay, wow, So you were

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at an interesting age when the Patterson
Gimlin film was released. Do you remember

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that? Oh yeah, definitely fifty
seven. I think I was about not

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seventeen years old. See how old
was I at that time? Sixty I

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was sixty seven, right, it
was sixty seven. You would have been

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sixteen or seventeen years old. Yea, Yeah, that's when I got I

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really got I really got motivated.
I guess a lot of people did.

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Then. You could look at it, even at that age, and I

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didn't know anything, and I still
don't know anything about these things. But

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at that looking at that, I'm
moved and stuff, and just the way

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it moved you. You could tell
it looked like something always there even though

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your family is looking at you weird. But yeah, that's when I really

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got motivated. But that's when I
ordered to tranquilize your gun and I paid

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five hundred bucks for a gun in
the mail. They had these big dreams

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about shooting one of these things,
and they were end after seeing that picture

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some day, I'm going to get
out there, and thought about doing something

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like that. And of course I
had a problem with tranquilizer or a drug

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or something. What would you huge
would you want something for apes or And

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I never did think that these things
were apes myself, even though a lot

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of friends have thought that John Green, doctor Currens and great people that I

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just didn't see that with a human
like footprints and stuff, which is the

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most obvious the first thing. So
I decided to go with somewhere a cernal

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one. And then I went around
to pharmacists and stuff. I didn't know

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where to go and try to get
something like that, and I was asking

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him around to get it, and
most of the pharmacist that they said,

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no, well we can't get you
there. We can't do that, or

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we don't can't get that or whatever. As one as pharmacies said yeah,

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he says, that's for tranquilizing people
or whatever. He said, Yeah,

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maybe I can help y out and
give me your infigration. I didn't do

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that. I get scared or left, and I realized that My gosh,

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I probably I didn't want to tell
him. I wanted to. Oh.

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I think I did tell him.
I think I told him what you wanted

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for said something about I wanted to
tranquilize Bigfoot, and I think that give

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me a word. Look, I
left. I dropped that project, that

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idea, which I found out later
wouldn't work anyway. But anyway, so

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trial and error from the beginning.
That is amazing. So was this in

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southern California that this all took place
then? Yes? Yeah, okay,

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Wow, what a story. That's
amazing, man, Thank you made it.

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Might sound kind of dumb, No, it's awesome. These are the

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kind of stories that my listeners absolutely
love. Did you first see the film

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then in a I know it was
shown in movie theaters a lot. Did

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you see it in a movie theater
then? No, I didn't you know

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something I don't remember. I think
it was on TV during that time period.

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So you were getting into your you're
almost twenty in that time period right

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after the PG film. Did you
seriously go out and start looking at that

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time besides trying to get THEO No, I did not at all that time.

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At a much later date, I'd
read a little bit about these things

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if I and I'm kind of easy
anyway, and I'm certainly not at really

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an out doors or anything like hunter
or anything. I did a lot of

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hiking, but it wasn't looking for
monsters. But I got to thinking about

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it and what I did find out
about it. Peter Byrne, he's the

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first guy I contacted, sometime in
the mid seventies or something. But I

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realized A bought titless. You never
seen one that I know anyway. Peter

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Byrne didn't, John Green didn't,
and Doctor Grants didn't. And I thought,

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my god, you could pick it
out to get a chance to even

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get this glimpse of these one of
these things at a distance, much less

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close up. You could search all
your life, and I just thought it

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wasn't feasible to go out for what
a time that was involved in everything else,

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and not that they're not out there. But I was learning a little

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bit by the time I was in
my twenties. I opted to collect snakes

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and stuff, and they did it
for many years when all the kind of

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stays down the average gave different places. I always had these things on my

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mind, but I figured I'm collecting
snakes to run across one of them,

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that will be a plus, but
not likely. But and so I didn't

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get into it till my real what
I could call an expedition was after I

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had gone in Queen the Lady.
It was in the nineties and late nineties,

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and I by that time I was
I knew Richard Greenwell of the International

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Society of crypto Zoology. I don't
know if you're familiar with him. I

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have heard of the society, okay. He was the secretariat, and doctor

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Rackel Roy Mathel was the vice president, and Bernard Hulans was a president.

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And that was a day I established
arretant at that the Smithsonian. They were

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legit guys, and so me and
Richard we did a lot of build research

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started, but they didn't start till
ninety eight. In ninety nine I went

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with him on It was the second
expedition there that he had in the sixty

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years, and the first expedition that
he has done was with him doctor milderm

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On Felibano, the name of Mark
Slack, he was the guy, and

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the then Darwin which Church his son. He didn't in two years. That

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was in nineteen ninety seven, and
I think it's saying the doctor Mildron's book,

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he's got it in there, which
was interesting. I didn't. Of

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course, this was long before his
book come out. But he tells what

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happened there when he was on the
team back in there, and that they

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was campting a medal where these things
came in there at night and they were

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running in between their tents and stuff. They had stole their oat meal and

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they had it done in the bag
and these things took it out. They

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didn't make a mess like a barrywood. And they heard him running back and

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forth. Doctor Meldrum was sitting in
his tent and he said one of them

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actually hit the guide wire or something
on and dirt dirt as kent running through

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there. But anyway, the next
morning they checked it out and the tracks

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were there. It was biped in
the grass. Nothing a good cast,

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but the indentations that where they had
been there come in. During the ninth

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Richard was using the tall blast and
stuff. So anyway, that was ninety

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seven. Then Richard asked me if
I wanted to go on the natural in

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which was nineteen ninety nine, and
we went in June or June and July,

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i think it was. But there's
only a window frame to get in

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there. It's just snow and stuff
most of the year. It's only a

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couple of months that are really safe
to get back in there. It's about

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forty miles back in from Orleans and
the canyon it was to the trip.

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We had the horses, five hundred
pounds of equipment and food supplies and thermal

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imaguting and everything else. So we
got back there and there were some results

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and we called blasting in the canyons
in the evening but what's reportedly big foot

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screens and stuff like that. We
had babies and how our monkey sounds and

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baby sounds, humans and stuff,
and we split up. There was the

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main camp base camp was Richard and
his son, and then me and Angelo

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Caperella. He was a biologist from
our University of Chicago. We camped out

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about a mile away from there our
camp us, and Angelo he could handle

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my snoring, so he went one
hundred feet down the mountains somewhat and I

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was by my up there and something
was coming around. And I'm going to

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say this because it's important, has
something to do with something to happen in

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my area recently. Now, this
was nineteen ninety nine and fist US northern

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California, and this was going on
and after the call blasting one evening,

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I stepped out of the tent to
relieve myself and I heard something snap,

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trick, snap, and right on
the other side of it was a big

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canyon. But anyway, I heard
it and that's all I heard. But

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we had already we had to shoot
a bear. I think it was just

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four or five days before. There
was stocking us and Nashal was going to

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charge you with didn't have any choice. So I was thinking there and I

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got back in my tent. I
knew something was I felt that something big

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was there, and I had a
pistol and may and I felt somewhat comfortable

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with that. Anyway, went through
the night, nothing happened. The next

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night, that same five and nine, about one o'clock in the morning,

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I stepped out. I heard the
twig snap the same area. Of course,

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it's fish black to get back in
the chin. I told I'd go,

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we'd pipe back to the base camp
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I told Richard, who's the team
leader, and if he had all the

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equipment and nine equipment thermal every year
and night the equipment in ford. But

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I said, we are you guys
are to set this stuff around my can.

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I think some's coming around there,
And at this point I wasn't thinking

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Bigfoot, I was thinking there,
but he said, yeah, maybe we

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should do that. They talked to
really didn't want to do it right,

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and they wanted the equipment where they
were. So the third names I got

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out the same time Good Trick,
Snap, and I got back in the

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tent, and I had the court
done recoun all around it before I set

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my tent up there, and I
wanted as secure as possible, so I

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had set it up next to Undergirl, some shrubbered thick rush and stuff on

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one side of it, and then
right behind it there was a log.

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There was a boat, and not
a log but a limb, but it

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was bowed up just like a guard
for a car if you run a park

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right in front of which just bowed
up just perfectly went across the level and

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then came back down. And I
had stood on that before I set my

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tent up there, and I jumped
on it. I was one hundred and

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sixty hundred pounds and I didn't budge
it, so it was solid. So

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I had that behind me and that's
where my head was where a slip.

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So this third night one hundred,
I see right from that area there was

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an animal trouble went all the way
back and I came back around behind my

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chin, so I think whatever it
was there it did that. But sometime

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during the night and I heard that
that branch or the big tree part just

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like it was going down making a
noise, and I couldn't budget jumping on

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it. So something heavy was pushed
on its right behind my head and then

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it went and it went but started. I could tell it was going back

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up, so something didn't want to
make any noise. And then right on

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the side of me and the right
hand fled the chin right after that,

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who this excuse me, don't jump? But I got a find of give

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you an idea. I heard only
ten times worth ten times a louder,

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so that of course it maybe that
was that was unnerving, and I didn't

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know what to think of that,
and I thought something was going to come

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through my chints. So I sit
there Indians style all night with my pistol

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on one hand and Mason the other. Nothing happened, and it was years

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later. There's a lot more on
that expedition, but I want to make

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a point because at least something happened
there that got me in trouble many years

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later, like within the last couple
of years. Here, I'm in Oregon

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right now, a central Oregan surrounded
by mountains and was and that sounds.

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There was a few years after that
with a friend of mine. I was

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over to his house, Retman neil
As Junior. I don't know if you

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ever heard of him, big footologie
had he established, but anyway, he

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I was over in his house and
I had never heard the run more Head

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tape. I didn't last year of
sounds. And I came off with that

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sound and I was telling him the
same story that was years ago, and

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he says I. He looked at
me and says, I don't think you

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because I was still thinking there,
I don't know anything about bears not going

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Maybe I don't know sounded hawful,
you know, scary for a bear to

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come up like our ruth. But
he says, I don't miss my friends,

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says, I don't think he's seen
a bear. And he played me

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a bit more headstapes y sound.
It's about the third one in that with

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the aggressive sound, and it is
almost an exact and I think only heck

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maybe yeah, I think one of
those things was standing by my chitch.

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I don't think he liked me being
there. It was aggressive for sure.

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So many years later, coming up
to now, he was introduced an area

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by a hunter and well to somebody
else that knew I was interesting, big

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food. But anyway, I got
it in this area and right off the

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badly started adding things happening, and
my gosh, that's probably our to our

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talk right there and all less.
So I'm just going to keep to the

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point here for now. That sounds
I after being annoying these things over here,

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we had to come in and different
areas and whistled from both sides,

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communicate or whatever. Camping everything was
fine. And this friend of mine is

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named Day. He's a ruggular old
hunter. I don't think he's afraid that

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much. He's been charged by grizzly
Bear's twice and I had been bothering and

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he knew of these things are up
here that people didn't believe him. And

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anyway, I was introduced soon and
I wanted to go up onting. Nobody

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had ever went up on. I
did, and we had some acsion he

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was going on. Everything was fine, and then one evening when we're there,

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we're camping in this metal area.
It's a good, pretty high elevation.

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It's back in a ways, and
I was sitting in my chair,

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sitting on a beer, and him
and his dad, we had grandfather there

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too, and they were they went
to laid down the tent. It was

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getting and I was sitting outside of
the tent and the chair, and I

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asked him what kind of sounds because
he's been up there, camping there and

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honey, mostly by himself for over
forty years, anoying those things over there,

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and over forty years he only got
to see one once and it was

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about from about three hundred feet and
only one time with him being there all

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the time, was so garsy an
idea, But I asked him, I

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said, what kind of sound you
heard over the years? Order mean he

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come out, was unting out of
her. So I said, I'm going

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to share a sound idea that iired
one time. So I came off with

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the one I just must trying to
come out with you. And if you

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hear that, Ron Moore had stayed
here, sounds order about the third one,

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is it? But so I did
that and pretty loud, and I

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was just sitting there dream her.
And that's fifteen minutes later, twenty minutes

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or whatever. We heard these things
coming from a distance along distance, just

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falling and raising hill and screamed.
Something was very agitated, and there was

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more than one, and they were
coming our way. But the way I

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knew exactly what it was coming.
And I said, who, I said,

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any of those sounds, because these
things A couple of them are coming

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up like crazy agitated jim pansies.
And another one was coming off sounding like

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a mad owl, and another one
was coming off like a coyote, and

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another one like a raven, and
all of them were going at the same

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time, and they're hited our way
and they're getting louder, and so I

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said, I asked him they were
still in the tin. I said,

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do you ever hear anything like that? Easy out? No, not quite

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like that, and I said,
yeah, we knew what they were.

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And I said, I think this
is a premier of the tone of coming

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at trash and I got jump got
in the tent pretty quick with them.

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There were just enough room with the
three of us, and they're coming.

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They're getting louder. By the time
they got to where we're at, it

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was it was totally dark, and
they came that We could hear him coming

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in and circling, and the back
of the mental coming around just within the

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tree wine and they came directly behind
our tents and just for an hour and

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a half they just they charrorizers.
We actually didn't think we were been there

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too the night. It was so
bad. There's no way to explain how

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intince it really was. Of two
of them coming off like chimpanzees and crazy

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champans in the other animals sounds,
and you could tell they were running back

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and forth, and one of them
was charging pump sumpump pumped right up heavy

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and just running it right up to
the chintz and then it run back and

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I did that every once in a
while. They did it for about an

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hour and a half, and every
time the one that it was charging yeah,

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do your grace for impact, because
it felt like it was gonna you

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learn, he was going to come
and take the chance, and you would

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it and just go right on through. That's what I felt like. It

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was up on a dime, right
that they had just silent like right there

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at the champ before it came through. Then run back and yeah, that

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was pretty terrifying night. And I
was that I could document that would be

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something but a chance. But anyway, they ended up going around the other

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site and did a complete circle actually, and I went back around and went

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back out the same way, and
you're gonna hear him keep going until they

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started fading out. While they were
fading out and fade ountil you couldn't hear

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anymore. And that I was a
while they So anyway, the A scared

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with Jesus out of this. And
what's interesting that one of the things that

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is, as the day before I
had we were doing our recon around there

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and we've seen a track of one, but it was a smaller track.

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It was probably about twelve inches maybe
a little less. Are they would just

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see the impression what it was and
it was going a certain way and there

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was a tree right there too.
It looked like it and a little pathway

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like. And that's when we were
I said, let's get some food and

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put up in a tree. I
hadn't tried to put food up, and

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I said, oh gosh, I
had that perfect tree that shit brewed up

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and stuff. So that we went
to town and we've got bananas and we

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them out and put them on the
tree. Next morning we went out and

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checked and those tracks were coming from
the tree, and the bananas were gone,

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and there were snow scratch underneath the
tree or anything something. I had

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taken the bananas. So that's why
we set up our camp right there.

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I think, get set our camp
up here. So we did so that

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evening that happened, and of course
they were anxious to get out of their

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grandpa. He never said or sitting. None of us were early talking,

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not until it was over what they
were leaving. And the lesson of the

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stories are funny. One on them
skip up for now. But next morning

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everybody was in ours. Soon as
it got daybreak, we were ready to

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go. They were standing there for
a little bit talking and I because I'm

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trying to figure out what the hell
is going on. We'd been going in

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there, and we know they were
coming around, and we hadn't enemy of

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problems and they just went holistic crazy
this night. And I'll tell him dwying,

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I said, my god, I
wonder what happened. I wanted to

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do then. I think because I
was telling them that the younger one took

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them down, as it looked like
from the tracks he might have taken back

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to the old man, and the
old man, Mindy got pissed off at

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us forgiving us kids from food.
I'm trying to I'm just trying to figure

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it out. And then he says, no, this guy is a season

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hunter. And he said all over
a vision game hunter. He said no,

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he said, they were here for
you. I feel the shivers.

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The shows go right downline neck.
I said, fear for me. Why

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but he says, last night,
he said, when you come up with

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this sound, he says, one
twenty minutes they were headed here. He

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says, they came here for you. Oh shit. But I anyway,

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we left, and I did go
back and I took him home, and

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I went back only because I had
a print as a big fun hunter happened

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to be in the house. The
house there dined them all. I don't

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know if you're ar anything, but
he was at my house. He came

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from Montana, just happened to be
here when I came here that day after

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the camp out there. And he's
a big time again. He's eighty years

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old, he's still going out and
he's quite a fellow. But I told

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him I shudn't go up there.
No, I didn't want to go back.

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I was still freaking nervous. I
took him back up there and we

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walked around on him, and I
found a scene where they came in.

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It was like they just leveled the
brush and everything. There wasn't anything.

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A big path where it must have
been four feet wide where they came in

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and went through around, but it
was too hard to see. He really

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distinguished old tracks, but it was
all missed up. Scratch or either tell

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them where the footprints were back and
forth, nothing to cast. It was

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hard ground. But on the other
side where they went out, I found

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two trash and the softer areas,
And the first one I've seen was I

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measured it by getting this breaking a
stick up. I didn't have any paper

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or measuring stuff. I broke a
stick off and measured it. Later,

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but this one track was fifteen in
and close to nine inches. It was

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a teen inches long, close to
nine inches like at the ball, and

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quoted seven inches at the heel.
And not far from that there was another

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track, and then it had stepped
right down where it was soft foiling or

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brass and ry and what. I
don't know what you told the stop,

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but anyway, it was heavy and
it was spongy like material underneath the canopy

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and a soft moist ground right in
this area. And this thing had stepped

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right there and right down there,
right down to the rich you see the

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root system and stuff. I jumped
on it, and the area's right there

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at the track, and I jumped
and it just like a sponge. It

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went down and it came back up
this whatever. It was so heavy it

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went right down and laid the bare
roots. And the track was twenty three

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inches long and about nine and a
half inches is white, and seven inches

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out the hill. So that was
a big daddy guy, and that's someone

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I guess I pissed off. Dwayne
had said that he wasn't going to ever

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go back. He'd been hunting over
there over forty years with him, and

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then was bothered, but that really
did it for him and pretty much me

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too. And about five months later
I wanted to go back up there,

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and I went by and I asked
him, selescope up there, and let's

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just go, And I said,
I said, Dwayne, I said,

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this daytime, it's summertime. I
see in the afternoon it's hot. I

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said, they're going to be out
sleeping somewhere. I said, I wouldn't

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worry about it. Let's go up
there. Let's just go. And I

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talked him into it, and his
daughter came along the one to introduced me

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to him, and we went up
there. And are you still with me?

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Yes, Ronnie, I am just
I'm letting you talk because this is

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amazing. I'm my best trial not
to ask questions, but this is amazing.

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I'm so used to somebody interrupting me
or taking off for some It's taken

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me years to get to the point
not to interrupt people. But I just

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hope the guy didn't get hang up. Thank you so much sposed. So

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anyway, it's all true. I
don't sit around make stuff like this up.

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In fact, I take the serious
does subject too seriously to do that?

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Oh? We went up there and
I just want to thinking. Of

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course, I was a little nervous
going back, but I got now,

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now these things are gonna now that'd
be sleeping somewhere, and I really convinced

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myself of that. We got out
there in part right apart from the metal,

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and I had my car. They
took their feet to his daughter took

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the jeep. They drove him Matt
and I had my little green car and

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we were parked right there on the
access road, right next to the metal.

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I was back in the metal a
little bit, and we were there,

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and that these if you hear some
animals or birds chirping, it from

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usually okay, there's pretty good sign
they're not there unless you want them to

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be there. It was just completely
silent. That's a good sign that they're

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probably around. But these little birds
were chripping on the other side of the

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metal. It's pretty good sided mental
about a hundred seed across or more the

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front, and the birds, little
birds sundling, little finches or something.

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But I'm in the birds and I'm
looking at the daughter. She's staring over

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that area. She's pretty smart girl. Nobody's said anything. I'm looking over

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the way too. She starts chirping, and then she's got like a pattern

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rip, kind of like a pattern
coming from the little birdie over there too,

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and she yeah, it changed,
it was different these the chirping.

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I'm still not I'm not sure.
She walks over there. It was about

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sixty feet and when she got when
in fifteen feet, the little birdie started

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picking up and trimping, trip,
getting excited. But maybe birdies can get

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excited. Somebody walking towards it.
But she got she didn't go any further,

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and still nobody's saying anything or just
watching. And she turned around him,

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walked back to us, me and
her dad, and they were really

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going crazy. And then something else
was happening. Two two squirrels came off

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about the time, off the distance
and towards the bottoms what it's called the

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bottoms, And it's a fascinating area. That's the first place we camped out.

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When I went up there, I
thought it was a good place.

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It's about hours hike down in there, and it's like the old grooms and

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stuff and creek and cabbage and given
tell and part of the swamp and the

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other I'm a perfect place for those
things. That's where we would say the

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first night, and we actually had
two of them that night. That was

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long before this, And you had
to keep up with me if you can,

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because I get sidetracked sometimes. But
I'm going to get back to what

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I was saying. But they that
first night we had and whist for both

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sides, and next morning we figured
what it was. Next morning we knew

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going out of the bottoms hiking,
starting to hike because of rocks were hitting

407
00:32:27.920 --> 00:32:30.319
the trees ahead of this as you're
going out, So that confirmed what it

408
00:32:30.559 --> 00:32:34.960
was. But that's why it was
Okay, we weren't having a problem on

409
00:32:35.440 --> 00:32:40.599
Now it's changed now now we're there, got the daughter and she's back,

410
00:32:42.119 --> 00:32:50.559
and two squirrels the bottoms that are
in the direction of the bottoms. They're

411
00:32:50.599 --> 00:32:53.480
going off crazy, and Dwayne said, and Ethn knows his wildlife and the

412
00:32:53.680 --> 00:33:00.680
worms right on up. But he
said that something's coming this way. And

413
00:33:00.119 --> 00:33:04.799
it wasn't. Just right after he
said that, which we could hear him

414
00:33:04.920 --> 00:33:08.000
coming. It was the same freaking
sounds that night. Now this is three

415
00:33:08.000 --> 00:33:16.079
o'clock in the afternoon and they're coming
that crazy chimpanzee sounds and the little sand

416
00:33:16.839 --> 00:33:22.559
are that kyote rather in that raven
and owl, all the five of them,

417
00:33:23.079 --> 00:33:25.680
I count at five the way,
I thought there was a lot more

418
00:33:25.759 --> 00:33:29.480
than that, but I'm going by
the sounds. I thought there was five,

419
00:33:29.920 --> 00:33:32.519
but a very out a way,
getting louder and louder, just like

420
00:33:32.640 --> 00:33:37.240
the night, except this daytime.
And they knew we were there, and

421
00:33:37.440 --> 00:33:42.640
it's like this second time, they're
going to have to freaking warnish, you

422
00:33:42.720 --> 00:33:47.000
know. But they come out there
and behind the girls on the other side

423
00:33:47.039 --> 00:33:51.440
of the matter was probably about one
hundred feet away, and they came up

424
00:33:51.440 --> 00:33:54.559
to that. You could tell they
were right there screaming and hollering and sound

425
00:33:54.680 --> 00:34:01.599
like surrounding sound amplified and echoing.
It's just so out and they weren't coming

426
00:34:01.640 --> 00:34:07.760
out in the open. They were
right there and screaming in holland and Delayne

427
00:34:07.800 --> 00:34:10.000
asked his day, said, do
you want to leave? Because she was

428
00:34:10.079 --> 00:34:15.760
pacing back and forth. She said
yeah, and again in the car and

429
00:34:15.920 --> 00:34:21.079
left. He asked me if they
said you coming nice, I don't know

430
00:34:21.159 --> 00:34:22.599
why, and I said, no, I'm gonna stick around a little bit.

431
00:34:23.719 --> 00:34:27.599
And I'm not a brave person.
I don't know why I do some

432
00:34:27.840 --> 00:34:32.480
things. I can't believe why I
do some things. But anyway, they

433
00:34:32.599 --> 00:34:37.760
laughed him. That was a lonely
feeling, watching her black jeep going out

434
00:34:37.880 --> 00:34:43.280
at the dirt road street woods on
both sides of them. And then I'm

435
00:34:43.360 --> 00:34:45.559
here. These things are screaming in
Holland and it's me. I guess they

436
00:34:45.639 --> 00:34:52.760
want and I'm staying, which sounds
crazy. And I'm looking at my currents

437
00:34:52.800 --> 00:34:57.960
about twenty feet away, and it's
pointed in a direction that is a dead

438
00:34:58.119 --> 00:35:00.559
end on that road. So I
get in and I have to turn around.

439
00:35:01.639 --> 00:35:05.880
And I got a pretty good idea
of these things to from reports.

440
00:35:06.000 --> 00:35:09.119
These things can move, they're quick, they want you, They're going to

441
00:35:09.159 --> 00:35:14.559
get you. I'm thinking, Mike, gosh, I don't want them to

442
00:35:14.800 --> 00:35:17.000
have to think about it. They
might just change in that car. Getting

443
00:35:17.039 --> 00:35:22.000
in there and turning around take a
little time, I'm from analyze, but

444
00:35:22.159 --> 00:35:27.679
I start walking towards the car because
closer to it I am the safer I

445
00:35:27.760 --> 00:35:31.800
feel. And I as I'm walking
towards it, it's like I got two

446
00:35:32.000 --> 00:35:36.880
voices in my head. I run
saying get the hell out of here,

447
00:35:37.199 --> 00:35:43.280
run go, and the other ones
saying no, if you go, you're

448
00:35:43.320 --> 00:35:45.920
going to kick yourself. And about
the rest of your life. This is

449
00:35:45.000 --> 00:35:50.679
why you're here. And I guess
kept going back and forth as I'm walking

450
00:35:50.719 --> 00:35:54.800
towards the car because I wanted to
get out of there, but I didn't.

451
00:35:54.960 --> 00:36:00.960
I walked at the front of the
car, leaned up against the hood.

452
00:36:00.760 --> 00:36:04.880
Now these things are im backing me. Now I got my back at

453
00:36:04.960 --> 00:36:08.719
them, and they're just still screaming
and holler and and they really carrying on.

454
00:36:09.039 --> 00:36:15.079
And I just I was determined that
one voice waterboyism one out, but

455
00:36:15.239 --> 00:36:19.480
I thought, this is it.
I'm staying. I don't care if they

456
00:36:19.599 --> 00:36:23.599
tear me apart. I'm staying here. And as soon as I thought that,

457
00:36:25.039 --> 00:36:29.239
I'm not really into the spine speak
stuff, but it was almost like

458
00:36:29.960 --> 00:36:31.559
becau. As soon as I thought
that, I'm standing here, even if

459
00:36:31.599 --> 00:36:37.119
they'll had, even if they tear
me apart. As soon as I thought

460
00:36:37.199 --> 00:36:43.679
that, another sound joined in with
them, and it was the most hideous,

461
00:36:45.239 --> 00:36:52.239
deep gurgling growl, I like straight
from Hell or something. And it

462
00:36:52.360 --> 00:36:54.239
was loud. It's just as loud
as them, and they were so loud

463
00:36:54.320 --> 00:37:00.599
already, and it was just a
growl because I knew yeah, and it

464
00:37:00.800 --> 00:37:06.440
just and as soon as I heard
that, a bit spella sounded real serious.

465
00:37:07.559 --> 00:37:09.800
I was already bad enough, and
when that joined in, I thought,

466
00:37:09.840 --> 00:37:15.039
oh, I changed my mind,
and I walked around slowly to my

467
00:37:15.199 --> 00:37:21.360
car and opened the door and just
still go on. But as soon as

468
00:37:21.400 --> 00:37:23.760
I sat down, I hadn't even
closed the door yet, it was silence.

469
00:37:24.800 --> 00:37:30.679
They all shut up, and which
I knew right then. They did

470
00:37:30.760 --> 00:37:35.519
what they accomplished what they wanted.
So I drove out of the slow,

471
00:37:35.960 --> 00:37:38.239
turned around, got the cartoon around, and drove back out. I had

472
00:37:38.280 --> 00:37:42.960
to be within pubby sixty feet up
or something back and then the brush.

473
00:37:43.360 --> 00:37:46.719
I had the windows down and went
slow. Didn't hear anything. You wouldn't

474
00:37:46.760 --> 00:37:51.840
know that anything was there, and
I yelled out the window on the way

475
00:37:51.880 --> 00:37:53.519
on, I said, I love
you. I don't know why I shod

476
00:37:53.639 --> 00:37:58.199
that, but I went out and
I thought, oh boy, that's it.

477
00:37:58.719 --> 00:38:01.639
I had my big foot days are
over. And I thought, I'm

478
00:38:01.679 --> 00:38:05.760
content. I don't need it.
I don't need that just too much.

479
00:38:06.920 --> 00:38:10.719
And I went back home and I
was glad to be relieved because I don't

480
00:38:10.760 --> 00:38:14.159
want to go. But then again
it started to bother me, and I

481
00:38:14.960 --> 00:38:19.119
that, holy shit, I'm just
thinking about it, thacking it off my

482
00:38:19.239 --> 00:38:23.239
mind, and I I it's like
a loose end or something. I'm leaving

483
00:38:23.440 --> 00:38:30.400
something and I didn't feel good about
it. But I'm terrified to go back.

484
00:38:30.559 --> 00:38:34.480
And I ain't got nobody to go
with me either. I'm alone,

485
00:38:35.760 --> 00:38:37.400
and I just wanted to move back, but I'm not going to go back,

486
00:38:37.639 --> 00:38:43.760
especially and push the envelope. Two
stern warnings. At least one at

487
00:38:43.840 --> 00:38:46.199
least you thought that first time,
you really thought you were going to die.

488
00:38:47.199 --> 00:38:51.760
And these things can scare the a
lot off. There's not they can

489
00:38:51.880 --> 00:38:55.800
terrify you. It's no wonder.
I believe that. And I've interviewed a

490
00:38:55.840 --> 00:39:00.920
lot of people over the years,
and military people that through this and been

491
00:39:00.960 --> 00:39:07.639
through combat without fail, somebody that's
had combat and had an experience with it.

492
00:39:07.000 --> 00:39:09.719
Just seeing him not I don't think
as bad as what we went through.

493
00:39:10.280 --> 00:39:15.400
Has said that this is more frightening
or more terrorizing than being an OAR.

494
00:39:15.400 --> 00:39:19.639
And I know where they're coming from, at least with this experience.

495
00:39:20.480 --> 00:39:25.800
But anyway that I'm laying here and
I thought I felt guilty too because Dwayne

496
00:39:25.880 --> 00:39:29.559
had told me said now he says, I never had a problem with HI

497
00:39:29.599 --> 00:39:32.320
until I brought you up. Here
and I'm thinking, my gosh, I

498
00:39:32.440 --> 00:39:37.760
have this is awful. And it
took me two weeks later on I'm back

499
00:39:37.840 --> 00:39:40.519
and thinking about it, and I
thought, my god, I want to

500
00:39:40.559 --> 00:39:45.239
go back, and I'm freaking.
I'm just it's gonna take a lot.

501
00:39:45.800 --> 00:39:49.039
They have to have a reason.
I thought, God, I wonder if

502
00:39:49.039 --> 00:39:52.920
I could change it around. If
I could change around and get him back

503
00:39:52.920 --> 00:39:58.559
with a kissed off and agitated maybe
that would be worth a try. That's

504
00:39:58.559 --> 00:40:00.239
the only way I would go back. And there was a chance, and

505
00:40:00.360 --> 00:40:04.760
I thought of it, Gosh,
I'll go back for the food. They

506
00:40:04.800 --> 00:40:08.639
wouldn't tech that food either. That
they walked by those bananas we had fresh

507
00:40:09.440 --> 00:40:14.639
put bananas back up, and they're
after the younger one had taken them.

508
00:40:15.360 --> 00:40:19.159
And this things went in that night
and they passed that tree up twice.

509
00:40:19.239 --> 00:40:22.360
There was going in and coming back
out, and they didn't touch the bananas.

510
00:40:22.400 --> 00:40:27.480
They didn't want They were too they
that's how pissed they were. But

511
00:40:27.800 --> 00:40:30.440
so anyway, I thought about it, and I thought, got this scene,

512
00:40:30.800 --> 00:40:34.960
it's really simple that that's ways music
right. I'll get some stuff maybe

513
00:40:35.000 --> 00:40:39.000
and go back and put some food
up in the tree. And this time

514
00:40:39.039 --> 00:40:44.440
I'll take a guitar and sing a
little bit. And it took me a

515
00:40:44.519 --> 00:40:45.559
while. I don't know what it
was. After I thought of that,

516
00:40:45.679 --> 00:40:51.159
how many days I said, thought
about him, and I was terrified even

517
00:40:51.559 --> 00:40:53.880
think about it doing it. But
one morning I did it. I just

518
00:40:54.000 --> 00:40:57.639
got up and I just said,
I do it. I'm going and I

519
00:40:57.880 --> 00:41:01.480
went by the supermarket and I got
some fruit and stuff and I went out

520
00:41:01.519 --> 00:41:05.119
there putting the tree. I had
a chair and a six back and the

521
00:41:05.320 --> 00:41:08.719
guitar and I put the food up
in the chair. And the tree is

522
00:41:08.800 --> 00:41:14.480
back in away from the access road
about one hundred feet, so when I'm

523
00:41:14.480 --> 00:41:16.519
putting the food up, takes ten
or fifteen minutes put it off through the

524
00:41:16.599 --> 00:41:20.880
tree, and I looked back,
and then it would have been my worst

525
00:41:21.000 --> 00:41:22.719
nightmare of saying, oh my god, I hope doing this. I don't

526
00:41:22.760 --> 00:41:27.280
look back, and when I'm standing
there by my car or in between me

527
00:41:27.360 --> 00:41:31.280
and the car and have a heart
attack. But it didn't happen. So

528
00:41:31.440 --> 00:41:37.239
I did that, and I did
it before I got in. I was

529
00:41:37.400 --> 00:41:43.360
doing it for three months. There
was about three weeks in between that I

530
00:41:43.480 --> 00:41:47.639
didn't because a Barrett caught on it. He just made a mess of everything,

531
00:41:47.719 --> 00:41:52.440
getting the food and containers I had
and everything, and I stayed the

532
00:41:52.480 --> 00:41:55.719
way for over we hope he'd go
away right then come back, and he

533
00:41:55.800 --> 00:42:00.320
had been done. A couple of
days later he came back in. So

534
00:42:00.440 --> 00:42:02.719
I stopped it for another two weeks. Then I started putting the food backs

535
00:42:02.840 --> 00:42:07.960
up, doing my thing and singing
and playing the guitar all together with all

536
00:42:08.039 --> 00:42:14.480
this, and sometimes of the fruit
or whatever I have would totally rot.

537
00:42:14.599 --> 00:42:20.320
Twice it rotted and go back up
there. And it's also meant and nothing

538
00:42:20.400 --> 00:42:23.639
touched it. That happened twice.
When then that three months And I don't

539
00:42:23.719 --> 00:42:29.880
know why that happened when somebody out
there from meh no, but I but

540
00:42:30.039 --> 00:42:34.480
the rest of the time that other
animals cretters or even the birds and squirrels

541
00:42:34.599 --> 00:42:38.519
or whatever it would get the get
the food apples or whatever. They always

542
00:42:38.599 --> 00:42:45.480
left droppings and food parts or whatever. But annippeels are end of it or

543
00:42:45.519 --> 00:42:50.440
whatever. There's always a mess,
no matter what got into them. After

544
00:42:50.559 --> 00:42:53.239
doing that, like I said,
three months, I was persistent at it,

545
00:42:53.360 --> 00:42:57.320
and I'm just scared to death every
time I had a down here to

546
00:42:57.440 --> 00:43:01.239
drive up there. But it did
it anyway, and this one day I'm

547
00:43:01.280 --> 00:43:06.639
going buy and get some food and
take them back up, and nothing was

548
00:43:06.760 --> 00:43:08.960
happening there. Only the second time
I went up there didn't take them want

549
00:43:09.000 --> 00:43:13.039
to know we were there in the
daytime and coming after our ask her,

550
00:43:13.159 --> 00:43:15.880
I am, I've been there for
almost three months and there there was some

551
00:43:16.039 --> 00:43:22.159
silent times, but no activities,
no sounds, no nothing. So I

552
00:43:22.239 --> 00:43:24.679
don't know. I'm sure those things. This is an established area, there's

553
00:43:24.719 --> 00:43:30.679
no doubt about that. And I'm
sure they were there at some time during

554
00:43:30.760 --> 00:43:32.840
that three months. And yet they
I don't know. They must have been

555
00:43:32.880 --> 00:43:37.400
sit back and maybe watched me and
watching this crazy fellow that came back after

556
00:43:37.840 --> 00:43:42.000
threatening the journey twice. Maybe I
thought I was crazy. I wanted to

557
00:43:42.400 --> 00:43:45.440
study me. I don't know.
But nothing happened, no sounds going.

558
00:43:45.760 --> 00:43:51.960
But anyway, towards the end of
the third months, I went by the

559
00:43:52.360 --> 00:43:57.119
supermarket. Nothing. I don't know
if there's any nat to do with its

560
00:43:57.519 --> 00:44:00.519
coinsident, I don't think it did. I think someone happened anyway, But

561
00:44:00.280 --> 00:44:05.079
I have got some fruit, and
I guess the bananas all and I was

562
00:44:05.159 --> 00:44:07.440
taking up peanut butter at that time
too, peanut butter stain ways. But

563
00:44:07.559 --> 00:44:14.679
I had gotten a BlackBerry cobbler a
half a month and I had it in

564
00:44:14.760 --> 00:44:16.760
a container, a clear container where
you could see through it, and it

565
00:44:16.920 --> 00:44:22.199
snapped on the sides, like a
pie container. You've seen them. They're

566
00:44:22.239 --> 00:44:24.639
clear, you can see through them, and they snapped on the side.

567
00:44:25.199 --> 00:44:29.679
But I took it all up there, and I put the bananas, peanut

568
00:44:29.760 --> 00:44:34.119
butter or through the lambs and tied
the some of the food and stuff up

569
00:44:34.159 --> 00:44:37.559
up in the bottom of the tub, and I on a cobbler. I

570
00:44:37.679 --> 00:44:42.000
put it in a cloth bag,
shopping bag. It was cloth, a

571
00:44:42.079 --> 00:44:45.960
heavy duty cloth, and I put
the cobbler container with a cobbler and about

572
00:44:46.079 --> 00:44:52.719
eight feet up on a lamb,
and I sit there for about twenty minutes

573
00:44:52.239 --> 00:44:57.480
a hundred about seventy feet from the
tree, and played some songs and saying

574
00:44:57.679 --> 00:45:00.639
drink one or two beers. No
in fact that left there. The next

575
00:45:00.719 --> 00:45:05.400
morning I come back and I'm longing
to tray. I see I had I

576
00:45:05.519 --> 00:45:08.000
had a dozen bananas around the tree. They weren't there. I could tell

577
00:45:08.079 --> 00:45:13.519
that when I'm approaching the tree they
weren't there. And I'm looking down at

578
00:45:13.519 --> 00:45:17.400
the ground there's no mesh. All
these other animals have always made a mess

579
00:45:17.480 --> 00:45:21.719
no matter what it was, or
left the part of something. There's no

580
00:45:21.880 --> 00:45:27.159
messes clean. And I think,
I know that's a good sign. And

581
00:45:27.599 --> 00:45:30.400
now I'm looking at that bag with
the cobbler and I take it down and

582
00:45:30.639 --> 00:45:38.400
look at it, and containers still
in the bottom, but coverler is gone

583
00:45:38.960 --> 00:45:45.840
and the bottom of the container is
clean. So I can only imagine maybe

584
00:45:45.880 --> 00:45:52.320
something lifted clean and it was snapped
back shut and it was still in that

585
00:45:52.440 --> 00:45:57.960
bag. Woo who. They started
taking the food and I go back to

586
00:45:58.119 --> 00:46:00.519
town to tell the Wayne. I
said, Dwayne, you've got to come

587
00:46:00.639 --> 00:46:05.079
up. I said, you just
got to come up. I want your

588
00:46:05.079 --> 00:46:08.960
opinion on this. And then I
took him up there and I put the

589
00:46:09.039 --> 00:46:14.119
bag up eight I took it down
and showed him holding no scraps around here

590
00:46:14.320 --> 00:46:16.559
and all that, and I look
at it. This is clean in here,

591
00:46:16.639 --> 00:46:22.239
this container's clean. And what really
got him that it would had been

592
00:46:22.320 --> 00:46:25.159
snapped back And he told me he
said that, yeah, I don't know,

593
00:46:25.400 --> 00:46:29.000
he says, I don't know if
anything would have could have done that.

594
00:46:30.039 --> 00:46:35.400
And I knew I was successful at
that point on that I took him

595
00:46:35.440 --> 00:46:39.000
back. I put some more food
up. I put twelve apples up after

596
00:46:39.119 --> 00:46:44.280
that, and I went back up
by myself. And every time, I

597
00:46:44.480 --> 00:46:46.119
mean, really have to get my
nerve butt to go back up there.

598
00:46:46.199 --> 00:46:52.920
But I went up there next day
and I could tell walking up to the

599
00:46:52.000 --> 00:46:58.880
tree, apples are gone. And
I'm looking around there's no scraps, and

600
00:46:59.199 --> 00:47:04.079
oh boy, and I i'm looking
there's one apple on the lower slim that

601
00:47:04.159 --> 00:47:07.360
I put one down below, and
it's right there. There was one apple

602
00:47:07.599 --> 00:47:13.800
and it hadn't been touched. And
I don't know, but I'm thinking he

603
00:47:14.440 --> 00:47:16.360
might have been a feedle, like
peace offering when we're good. At least

604
00:47:16.400 --> 00:47:20.960
that's the way I wanted to think
of it. And so I did a

605
00:47:21.000 --> 00:47:24.239
little singing thing and I left,
did the same thing, repeat to come

606
00:47:24.320 --> 00:47:30.440
back. Gone, no sounds,
no nothing, and did a little singing

607
00:47:30.519 --> 00:47:34.719
thing. Left, I come back. I think it was about the fourth

608
00:47:34.840 --> 00:47:37.639
time a day. Come back.
And now I'm sitting there. I put

609
00:47:37.760 --> 00:47:43.559
food up, and I go sit
in my chair and step on a beer

610
00:47:43.639 --> 00:47:50.000
and start playing. And now I'm
hearing. I'm hearing the whipsite, little

611
00:47:50.039 --> 00:47:52.079
high pitched sounds and stuff, and
back me back in the woods a little

612
00:47:52.079 --> 00:47:57.440
bit, and I'm the old boy. I did it. I'm thinking I

613
00:47:57.559 --> 00:48:00.159
did it, but I'm still nervous, some scared. I'm not really thinking

614
00:48:00.239 --> 00:48:05.440
it that way of until the next
time. And I know it's these things

615
00:48:05.559 --> 00:48:09.000
back in there for the whoops and
stuff, and just like the sound you

616
00:48:09.119 --> 00:48:14.280
hear that people say they've recorded and
the whoping. So now I'm hearing it

617
00:48:14.440 --> 00:48:19.000
for the second time, and it
just dawned on me. I succeeded in

618
00:48:19.199 --> 00:48:22.599
what I wanted to do to turn
it around. And I don't know why

619
00:48:22.599 --> 00:48:24.119
I didn't think that before, but
I didn't, and all of a sudden

620
00:48:24.159 --> 00:48:28.280
it hit me and it's like a
hundred pounds of weight just went right off

621
00:48:28.320 --> 00:48:31.119
my shoulders and stress and stuff,
and so it was all right. It

622
00:48:31.280 --> 00:48:37.960
was great and it felt good.
It was comfortable. It's a pretty pretty

623
00:48:37.000 --> 00:48:44.400
amazing feeling to be connected in some
way to something like that. It's just

624
00:48:44.840 --> 00:48:50.000
i's hard to explain, like a
connected with another world or something. And

625
00:48:50.119 --> 00:48:54.039
I and on a friendly basis too, Gus, what a feeling. But

626
00:48:54.199 --> 00:48:58.519
I sart did a thing. I
drive out of there, and I don't

627
00:48:58.559 --> 00:49:00.679
know why I had. It happened
a lot of kept going back and they

628
00:49:00.719 --> 00:49:05.599
were there waiting for me, but
I was scared every morning. I was

629
00:49:05.639 --> 00:49:07.440
just I had all I could do
to get my nervous. Even though it

630
00:49:07.480 --> 00:49:13.599
had been pleasant, it was still
nerve wracking that they'd go back once I

631
00:49:13.840 --> 00:49:15.800
was there and they were doing the
thing, and I'm explaining and saying it

632
00:49:15.920 --> 00:49:20.639
was fine, but I was always
scared the next morning to go up.

633
00:49:20.639 --> 00:49:24.519
And I don't know why, but
I was. And someone was really interesting

634
00:49:24.599 --> 00:49:29.480
I had done and I changed it
around and had what a feeling. So

635
00:49:29.519 --> 00:49:31.960
I'm glad I didn't sit on my
ass risk my life wondering about it.

636
00:49:32.039 --> 00:49:38.559
But so I did that and it
really got interesting. I still didn't want

637
00:49:38.599 --> 00:49:44.039
to go by myself, and I
wanted company or somebody to live into something.

638
00:49:44.119 --> 00:49:47.840
And there I fell out a big
guy. It works out. He's

639
00:49:47.880 --> 00:49:53.119
a Mexican bullat and he's been to
prison almost nobody. He's actually a good

640
00:49:53.199 --> 00:49:57.920
guy, like he was a friend. But he'd not into this big foot

641
00:49:58.000 --> 00:50:00.840
or stuff or anything. And there
was a but he knew what I was

642
00:50:00.920 --> 00:50:06.039
doing. I drive, I thought
he lives at Daddi Town before I start

643
00:50:06.079 --> 00:50:07.199
off on the road to go back
up there, and I want to drive

644
00:50:07.280 --> 00:50:09.159
by just for the hell of it
and see if he wants to go,

645
00:50:09.320 --> 00:50:14.400
because I wanted company. And he, surprised me, said yeah, I'll

646
00:50:14.400 --> 00:50:19.000
go with you. Huh. So
he did. Now all this stuff had

647
00:50:19.039 --> 00:50:24.199
been happening with me. So now
I'm taking him up there, and we

648
00:50:24.360 --> 00:50:29.679
get right to this place right by
the meadow and right and close the trees

649
00:50:29.719 --> 00:50:31.320
down too far. As soon as
we pulled him. As soon as we

650
00:50:31.400 --> 00:50:35.960
got out of the car, I'm
ahead of him walking towards the tree and

651
00:50:36.039 --> 00:50:39.119
he's behind me. And those things
started off with the weapon and stuff,

652
00:50:39.119 --> 00:50:44.679
but a little more aggressive. There
was some stocking and a little bit there

653
00:50:44.840 --> 00:50:51.519
was just a little bit different than
maybe a little intimidating, and especially somebody

654
00:50:51.559 --> 00:50:57.519
had never experienced anything. And I
looked back at him and he his eyes

655
00:50:57.559 --> 00:51:00.800
were really good bowls right out,
and he looked in his face was priceless.

656
00:51:01.039 --> 00:51:04.800
He said, I think I want
to go, and I said,

657
00:51:05.840 --> 00:51:08.440
I said so, I said,
this is I said, this is just

658
00:51:08.599 --> 00:51:13.719
getting started. I want to go
off. I aditating honor, but I

659
00:51:13.880 --> 00:51:15.920
did that. In a couple of
times. I took another fell off there

660
00:51:16.800 --> 00:51:21.880
some time in between. It wasn't
very often but I could find someone to

661
00:51:21.960 --> 00:51:24.360
go. But he walked back in
a little bit, big stomp on the

662
00:51:24.440 --> 00:51:29.280
ground and a smell. I never
ever smelled anything with him at this guy

663
00:51:29.440 --> 00:51:31.760
did. And he was a hike
or hike the mountains of stuff, never

664
00:51:31.880 --> 00:51:37.199
having sprit. He did one gun
back either. I took the one that

665
00:51:37.360 --> 00:51:43.239
was really interesting. Third guy I
took back out there. He had he

666
00:51:43.360 --> 00:51:46.239
used to live here in this small
county. He had an elkin deer and

667
00:51:46.320 --> 00:51:51.440
thought he was a hunter, and
he was interesting big foot and it bared

668
00:51:51.480 --> 00:51:53.960
to and he was interested it.
But I talked to him about it when

669
00:51:54.000 --> 00:51:58.400
he lived here, and he was
just intrigued with it. But he had

670
00:51:58.480 --> 00:52:02.280
never seen any evidence on it here
for thirteen years. And he got before

671
00:52:02.360 --> 00:52:05.920
us. So he went to New
York where he's got family. But he

672
00:52:06.000 --> 00:52:10.000
comes out here about once a year
and spent a few days and business with

673
00:52:10.119 --> 00:52:14.360
some family, his kid and stuff. Me. Anyway, he was out

674
00:52:14.400 --> 00:52:17.199
here, he gave me a call
and he wanted to spend a day with

675
00:52:17.360 --> 00:52:20.960
me before he went back to New
York. I said, yeah, it'd

676
00:52:20.960 --> 00:52:23.400
be great. So he came over
to tell him then yet and when he

677
00:52:23.760 --> 00:52:27.960
showed up, I said he I
think I know where big was at,

678
00:52:28.199 --> 00:52:31.239
and he got excited enough. That's
great, So we went up there.

679
00:52:32.239 --> 00:52:36.760
I always thought that these things knew
because they were there waiting for me when

680
00:52:36.840 --> 00:52:40.360
we had this go on, and
I paid that they knew when I was

681
00:52:40.440 --> 00:52:45.960
coming because of my car, and
I remember, right, I think that

682
00:52:45.119 --> 00:52:54.960
we took his band and we were
up there and probably maybe ten minutes before

683
00:52:55.119 --> 00:53:00.199
the area that I stopped at where
the tree is and metal, I mean

684
00:53:00.320 --> 00:53:05.960
saw woods, a mountain there you
can't see, and I said, ways

685
00:53:06.000 --> 00:53:10.400
away yet, and I was driving
up there towards it, and then I

686
00:53:10.519 --> 00:53:15.400
got the food and everything. But
I hadn't heard this sound up there yet.

687
00:53:15.480 --> 00:53:20.599
I did hear it in the Siscus
in northern California. But I heard

688
00:53:20.679 --> 00:53:24.000
the sound that sounds like an ERD, you know that one. And he

689
00:53:24.199 --> 00:53:29.760
heard it and his eyes got big
and he looked at me and he pointed,

690
00:53:30.079 --> 00:53:31.840
and I said, of course.
By this time, I'm used to

691
00:53:31.960 --> 00:53:36.719
him, pretty used to him being
there, even though I hadn't heard that

692
00:53:36.880 --> 00:53:39.880
sound before, and they hadn't come
off with that one up there. And

693
00:53:40.119 --> 00:53:44.360
I looked at him and I said, yeah, I said, a fellow,

694
00:53:44.400 --> 00:53:47.280
he's just he's letting us know that
he knows we're coming or he's getting

695
00:53:47.320 --> 00:53:52.920
in the troops. We made it
and we arrived to the spot. We

696
00:53:52.119 --> 00:53:58.079
get out. As soon as we
got out the trees don't spar was part

697
00:53:58.239 --> 00:54:04.360
trees. Not far there was a
grunt coming from the other side of the

698
00:54:04.440 --> 00:54:07.679
mental on the other side of the
run away from the tree. It was

699
00:54:07.719 --> 00:54:12.840
several hun I guess about three hunter
feed back in the air, and I

700
00:54:13.039 --> 00:54:15.079
checked that out on the YouTube later
on after I got out of there and

701
00:54:15.119 --> 00:54:20.639
training. It was gorilla. It
sounded just like a freaking gorilla. Anyway.

702
00:54:20.679 --> 00:54:25.119
You heard that grunt and he's not
saying anything. Were silent, but

703
00:54:25.199 --> 00:54:28.679
he pointed me and look, I
said, I just shook my hand.

704
00:54:29.800 --> 00:54:34.079
And about a minute later that was
on the other side of this metal we're

705
00:54:34.159 --> 00:54:37.519
looking at, and then on the
other side of the medal, and the

706
00:54:37.559 --> 00:54:43.039
grunt came off again and he said, I think something's encircling us. I

707
00:54:43.119 --> 00:54:45.760
said, guy, I do too, That's what you would think it was

708
00:54:45.880 --> 00:54:51.760
in sequence a grunt. There a
little bit of grunt like something's going in

709
00:54:51.840 --> 00:54:57.199
this direction, and a grunt brother
down in the same direction going and then

710
00:54:57.320 --> 00:55:00.719
I'm out of mental night there was
a grunt behind us. I think,

711
00:55:00.800 --> 00:55:05.400
well, it across the road further
down the access road. Now it's behind

712
00:55:05.480 --> 00:55:08.800
us on the left because they're grunt
there. About a minute later there was

713
00:55:08.800 --> 00:55:13.519
a ground behind us on the other
side of us, behind us, and

714
00:55:13.920 --> 00:55:19.760
so that's five grunts and it sounded
just like something and circled us. And

715
00:55:20.199 --> 00:55:24.960
so he's this guy. He's not
your typical fellow. Most people wouldn't.

716
00:55:25.280 --> 00:55:28.800
That would have been enough. They'd
wanted to get Pele out of there,

717
00:55:28.840 --> 00:55:31.400
and the screen would have done it
before we got back in there. He

718
00:55:31.599 --> 00:55:36.199
was excited and he's just looking around. And he's a big guy. He's

719
00:55:36.280 --> 00:55:38.440
like an old hillbilly or something.
But he's already's got a good heart,

720
00:55:38.559 --> 00:55:42.800
and he's just excited. He's looking
around and stuff. Now I'm wonder what

721
00:55:42.880 --> 00:55:45.800
he's looking for. I'm leaning against
the car and he's and he sees a

722
00:55:46.639 --> 00:55:52.280
tree branchlem and he says he can
I grab that and whacked that tree.

723
00:55:52.119 --> 00:55:55.760
I don't make any sounds, but
he deserved it. I'm just I was

724
00:55:55.880 --> 00:56:00.800
more interested in him at this point, and was the big foot it And

725
00:56:00.960 --> 00:56:05.039
I said yeah, I said,
plus he asked permission. I'm gosh,

726
00:56:05.159 --> 00:56:07.519
I don't get that much respect.
Usually it's pretty neat. So I said,

727
00:56:07.559 --> 00:56:09.679
yeah, I take it, go
ahead and grab it, and go

728
00:56:09.800 --> 00:56:13.119
ahead do it. I said,
I don't do it because I don't know

729
00:56:13.159 --> 00:56:16.480
what I'm conveying, But go ahead. He whacked at once. He whacked

730
00:56:16.519 --> 00:56:20.599
it twice, then he whacked at
the third time. In the third time

731
00:56:20.679 --> 00:56:25.440
he did it. Those five grunts
from those five positions came off at the

732
00:56:25.559 --> 00:56:34.960
same time. We were already surrounded. What do you think of that?

733
00:56:35.079 --> 00:56:40.679
How do you figure that one out? I'm still here, dude, this

734
00:56:40.920 --> 00:56:45.480
is nuts. Okay, I have
a clarification question real quick. I don't

735
00:56:45.519 --> 00:56:49.920
want to I don't want to distract
you at all. But how long ago?

736
00:56:50.039 --> 00:56:54.800
Was this? About? Two years
ago? Two years ago, Ronnie.

737
00:56:57.800 --> 00:57:00.280
I couldn't get back in there.
I would have continued. I knew

738
00:57:00.599 --> 00:57:02.239
doing what I was doing, but
I had to go to a Florida for

739
00:57:02.360 --> 00:57:07.559
lo. I ended up seven months
there and that was the beginning of spring

740
00:57:07.599 --> 00:57:10.559
a couple of years ago. And
I then I got back here and there

741
00:57:10.679 --> 00:57:15.519
was a fire going, so I
couldn't get back in there. Then when

742
00:57:15.559 --> 00:57:19.320
it was coming, there was snow. Then the next year I freaking fire

743
00:57:19.400 --> 00:57:22.320
again, and so I haven't been
able to get back and there's been blocked

744
00:57:22.360 --> 00:57:25.480
up. I did manage for a
little while up one of the fires.

745
00:57:25.519 --> 00:57:29.760
I got back up in there and
I put a food back up and there

746
00:57:29.920 --> 00:57:31.239
I have been able to get back
and check it out. Right now,

747
00:57:31.400 --> 00:57:36.079
still snow up in there and muddy, and I afraid I'll get stuck.

748
00:57:36.159 --> 00:57:39.159
It's the ways back in, but
I so I haven't been able to get

749
00:57:39.199 --> 00:57:44.880
back up in there everybody. But
I did get up there for a little

750
00:57:44.880 --> 00:57:51.039
bit before putting time problems with everybody
because I was worried that the fire had

751
00:57:51.239 --> 00:57:53.320
taken this whole area out. I
thought, oh God, that'd be my

752
00:57:53.599 --> 00:57:58.920
luck, established area with a family
and these things, and it putting destroy

753
00:57:59.079 --> 00:58:01.920
In fact, that's what that it
was saying fire workers that guys are aht

754
00:58:01.920 --> 00:58:06.039
of these fires, are correcting on
whatever that Because I was asking around they

755
00:58:06.039 --> 00:58:09.159
said, left pretty much that's gone. It wasn't. I got up when

756
00:58:09.199 --> 00:58:14.079
there was calm or and you get
access to get back in there and stuff.

757
00:58:14.719 --> 00:58:19.079
That growth back in this or where
these things were was twice as thick

758
00:58:19.280 --> 00:58:21.719
the end of growth there. WI. So it's even better and I've seen

759
00:58:21.840 --> 00:58:25.320
deer there too, So I'm thinking, and that's all that smoke and activity

760
00:58:25.320 --> 00:58:29.840
and everything, but that they would
have had to have left. But whether

761
00:58:29.920 --> 00:58:32.440
they came back or not, not
sure, but I got a feeling and

762
00:58:32.480 --> 00:58:37.360
they probably would and it hadn't been
touched, so that was great. As

763
00:58:37.360 --> 00:58:39.440
soon as I get back up in
there, I'm gonna try to shit.

764
00:58:39.599 --> 00:58:43.639
Yeah, but it's only been a
couple of years since and I left on

765
00:58:43.760 --> 00:58:49.760
good terms. Ronnie, Can you
share anything about Can you share anything about

766
00:58:49.880 --> 00:58:57.360
where that area or the general location
of that area is for I get it.

767
00:58:57.440 --> 00:59:00.519
I totally get that, Ronnie.
Can you is it are we tore

768
00:59:00.599 --> 00:59:06.360
Can at least share the state?
Oh, it's Oregon. It's Oregon.

769
00:59:06.599 --> 00:59:07.960
Okay. In fact, I'll tell
you this, I'll take you to city.

770
00:59:08.199 --> 00:59:10.440
Yeah, I can tell you that. It's not a city, it's

771
00:59:10.480 --> 00:59:15.880
a town. It's about two or
three miles long. It's surrounded by mountains

772
00:59:15.920 --> 00:59:20.320
and there's places. Make sure to
head over to the Patreon this week for

773
00:59:20.800 --> 00:59:28.320
forty more minutes of my interview with
Ronnie. There's more Ronnie in Dwayne Stories.

774
00:59:28.639 --> 00:59:32.599
What happens when hunters get involved in
that area. A police report that

775
00:59:32.840 --> 00:59:38.800
was given to Ronnie and a siting
he took about the four towed bigfoot that

776
00:59:39.000 --> 00:59:45.639
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779
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781
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783
01:00:21.679 --> 01:00:27.440
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784
01:00:27.760 --> 01:00:30.639
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