Bigfoot on my Farm? | Allamakee County, Iowa

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0:43 Welcome to big for Society. If you have Bigfoot activity to report from the same areas discussed in this episode, please reach out to me directly after this episode, and if you'd like to be on the podcast to discuss a personal Bigfoot encounter, please reach out to me directly at Bigfoot Society at gmail dot com. Do you wish there was more big for Society to listen to you every week? Well there is now. If you become a supporting member over at Patreon, you get a special members only episode every single week on Wednesdays, and sometimes even more episodes head on over to Patreon dot com forward slash the Big for Society and now let's get on with the show. All right, Big for Society. We've got the privilege of talking to mister David Johnson, who's an individual who reached out to me from my own home state of Iowa. So it's always a pleasure to talk to someone who's had some things happen in the same state that you're in. But it's a pleasure to have you on today, David. And welcome to the show.

1:45 Anti Sartin and thank you for having me on your program. Absolutely so, David, I think it would be beneficial for you to maybe give some some background about what our listeners might need to know about you and your history that would kind of lead into what your experiences were. Please. I've lived in Alamaghee County. Brother and I farmed a family farm outside of walk On and got to the point that wanted to retire and a freelance writer on the side, primarily been writing for the walk On Standard newspaper. But because all my family lives in the western part of Iowa, the daughter in Carol, have a daughter that lives in Omaha. My wife and I moved to Carol, Iowa, and so we can be closer to their family. When it comes to the subject of Bigfoot, I've always been interested in the paranormal, especially the ufology and the cryptology part. It started as early as the nineteen sixties. This dates me. There was a gentleman by the name of Artlin like letter. He had his own program on television in the afternoons, and people might remember him.

2:53 He had a special segment on their Kids Say the Darkness Things. They tried to recreate that some years ago and it never I got successful about it. But he had a gentleman by the name of Frank Edwards. He was a journalist and he would talk about he investigated mysteries of the past paranormal and that kind of kicked me into the direction of that. Plus another gentleman that influenced me as Ivan T. Sanderson. He wrote the book Things More Things. Read his books. He's the father of cryptology. He's a gentleman that termed cryptids, which Bigfoot falls into.

3:33 And just one thing led to the other. And I've just established interest in it, and I tried to broad my horizons by reading everything I could, listening to people at new stuff and it just balloon from there until I actually had a couple of experiences. And before I get into that, there's one thing I need to say is I've never seen a sasquatch. I've never seen his prints. I have heard screens. But a turkey hunted down by the upper Ollle River there near Lundie Bridge, below the lower Dam. And there was a farmer that lived down there now passed. But he's sort of like a mountain man.

4:14 Everything he got around and he had some interesting stuff he'd like to share. Told me where all the rattlesnake gins were and what have you. But he's he said those were bobcats. I heard the same screens back in twenty nineteen when I was hiking and camping Ealy, Minnesota near the boundary waters the Superior National Forest. Heard the scream about one o'clock in the morning. I just figured that was a lion. People ask this is the thing I always hear, how can you believe in something you haven't saw. There's the three camps of Bigfoot, and that's the skeptics that people just don't believe it. It can't be such a thing. There's the second camp and that's the camp that believes that Sasquatch is. I'm discuss Howard primate, and you have a scientific element of certain scientists I believe in that. Professor Jeff Muldrum, he's a full professor of anatomy and anthropology within the Department of Biological Sciences at Idaho State. He has an extensive collection of sasquatch tracks.

5:20 He believes that there's such a creature. There's doctor Melville Ketchum. She is sequenced the big Foot geno the mitochondrial I can't promise it. Mike trochondro DNA it was unambiguously human, while the nuclear DNA was shown to harbor novel structure and sequence her. She spent five years in this study and she had over one hundred specimens, but science will not accept it because they believe her specimens were contaminating. Then you have a gentleman by the name of John Desuso. He's a special agent for the FBI, now retired. He's a gentleman. Fox Malder of X Files. It's claimed that who they modeled him after was to SUSA. He believes there's elements out there such as Bigfoot. And then there's a gentleman by the name of John Greenwall is the Black Fole, and he dectained files the nineteen seventy five Army Corps of Engineers, Washington Atlas and the FBI analysts of sasquatch hair that came to the following conclusion that no such here exists on any human or presently known animal for which such data are available. So there's things out there that give support to Bigfoot. Then there's the third camp, and that's the camp that believes that there's

6:51 normal activity when we're talking about paranormal activity. There's the orb lights, there's UFOs, and there is a that's become a growing camp. And one of the one of the many prominent individuals is David Politis, a missing four to one one and a little background, mister Plitus. He was a policeman in southern California for twenty five years and in Messigator. He quit worked for a tech company. His boss thought, because of his background and investigative work and is a being tech savvy, that he could go out and disprove sasquatch. Politus turned it down, and then eventually down the road he accepted it. And the one thing he found that Bigfoot is not something recent. There's the modern train of thought that Bigfoot is snowballed, it's something it's forty or fifty years old. They started in the nineteen fifties northern California where they found the giant footprints around construction equipment equipment in northern California. Thus the term bigfoot that was coined. But he found out that every Indian, every Native American tribe and nation has a Sasquatch narrative.

8:09 They believe it's a living, breathing entity. They believe it's spiritual. And he did something interesting. He had a FBI forensic artists come from California, or from Oklahoma to California. Northern California, there's a number of Native Americans that had witnessed a bigfoot. This artist asked them to give a description of it, and he drew their descriptions. He found out everything he drew was similar, that there was no discrepancies. He went back to Oklahoma, which has a large Native American population, and he did the same thing. He talked to several Native Americans, had them describe what they saw, and he drew those descriptions, and again he saw very little discrepancies, and what was interesting between that in California there's very little difference. Well, politest Wort a couple of books and he advanced into missing people. He was approached by park rangers from National Force. They were coming across the incident after incident of people missing, not falling off the ledge while they were hiking, not being eaten by a predator, not criminal elements, they just went missing. To use canine units, they use search and rescue units. They could not find these people if they did find them, especially children went missing, and when they did find children, their bodies were found five six miles away up one thousand or two thousand feet higher up without their shoes. Well, Bigfoot was getting blamed for this and Polightis did three films documentaries and

9:42 the second one had to do with missing for to one one the Hunt It And in one of those episodes there was a segment in the state of New York where they did a classic deer hunting drive. The younger guys did the driving, the older guys in their sixties and seventies stood they were about one hundred yards apart. Well, what was interesting was that a gentleman I was standing disappeared. They went in the classic search and rescue, aerial flyovers, canine units. They never did find that individual. And I just asked one of the standards, did you hear anything like gunfire, screaming, whatever? And that individual said that he heard a loud metallic bang. And what's that have to do with Bigfoot? Well, there's the element that believes that if there's no lares, there's no nest well worthy of living in Iowa. How do we don't have a forest area that you have a northwestern part of the United States or a British Columbia or main And I did an article for the walk On Standard and it was twenty twelve and is just shortly after the Animal Planet Finding Bigfoot segment that was filmed in Yellow River National Forests.

11:03 They claimed that there was a lot of big poot activity. Well, I interviewed a state forester, I interviewed the helm Keee County sheriff, and I interviewed a gentleman that worked here for thirty five years. And that gentleman said he saw no sign, no no evidence of a sasspatch. He didn't believe in him. He like bear and cougars are where in Almakey County, but they still have pictures of them, they still have trapped, they still have a scat, and he had a couple of interesting observations. One was when de hunting parties go through there, if there's a creature, they're going to push it. And where are the evidence from the trail camps, from the game cameras. And again he pointed out that you know we have alme Keee County and Debute County in Clayton County, there's a lot of force, but not enough that wood should contain a bigfoot creature. Well, I started, I thought that was interesting observations. Well, from what Polite is and others are seen, there's a very real possibility, those real possibility that the bigfoot has an ability to jump dimensions. Well, people out there, that's far fetched. Well, the people that have had a lot of interaction with Sasquatch talk about they have a language, they have a highly intelligent and that they're using portals.

12:37 There's the science points to these creatures are very large. Where's the giants? The giants don't exist. There is a hidden there's a hidden history. Things have been suppressed and it's finally starting to come out that the Bigfoot and Eufology what have you is getting more supportive, more and more supportive data that prove that there is something there. My own experience, my first experience was twenty twelve on the farm. We were watching that Animal Planet Finding Bigfoot episode of of State Forest to the Old River State Forest.

13:20 The program was over. I looked at my daughter. I said, we can do just as good some of an outside. I grabbed an accent. It was basically off of splitting mall had a flashlight, went to the southwest corner of their yard, had a whit corner post, popped it a couple of times to give a three knox, and from listening to the program, gave o all a moon. While we were standing there. It didn't take very long. And there was a cornfield twenty acre cornfield freshly combined to the south of us. We could hear something running across the cornfield at us. Okay, well, there was a hog lot between us and that cornfield had barb wire, had hog wire and had three strands of barb wire the topic.

14:05 We could hear that wire being stretched as something was going over. Then it hit the leads. This is in October now and hit the leads. And I was coming out as well. I had a stick basically and and flash batteries are low. And I looked at my daughter, we're going So we went back to the house. Nothing came about until February. Fast forward to February twenty fifteen. My daughter, eldest daughter was home from college. We were watching movies. This weekend Saturday night, my wife and daughter. Younger daughter went to bid. Big for a society. Will be right back after these messages.

14:55 We live in a two story farmhouse at the time. My eldest daughter, we had one bathroom the first floors. She went to the bathroom. Someone outside porch porches on the east side of the house, to the northeast, about one hundred hundred and fifty yards, you could hear a pack of dogs just going nuts going they were barking. I just figured they had something cornered up, a possum or a cat. And then about seventy feet east of the house with a barn lot, we had two horses in there. They were pawing, they were snorting, quite agitated. Then I heard heard a tree knock to the southwest, about three hundred george or so, swhiar to the south into the porch, did a moan. Never expected anything, and within seconds I heard a second tree knock, and it was when they covered one hundred yards closer. So then I just stood there just listening. The horses were snorting, the dogs were growing and f I did to go back and I heard consecutive tree knocks. They were about fifty to one hundred yards away. And when I heard that, pop pop, and I thought, okay, this time, I'm going to be ready. Went in the house, told my oldest daughter, you're going to come on and listen to this, and she said, I'm not interested. So I grabbed a coat, a head lamp, and this time I grabbed a gun.

16:11 I'm not going to be out there in the dark. There's something I don't know. Went out to the south side of the house, did scanning in of the area and when I completed the scan, I didn't hear anything, didn't see anything. And then there's two distinct sounds that happened almost consecutively. The first sound and farmers can relate to this, especially those farmers that bail. Hey, they have a wooden hayrack and it's empty and you step on the floor. That wouldn't hay rack, it creaks, And that's the closest thing I could compare that to what I heard, a creaking sound similar to that. The second sound was in thirty seconds, So after that was a large metallic pop.

16:56 And we talked about the one that the day the lightest had filmed the witness and the only thing I compare that to if you step on old machinery antique cars, you hear that popping song on the ten. That's the closest thing from my life experience that I compare that sound to. Went to the nurse side of the house, nothing went inside, was putting stuff away. My daughter's getting ready to go to bed. I said, you should have been out there listening to that, and she said, well, when she's in the bathroom. We had a window in the bathroom and she could hear outside the window a low moan or groan and she thought that was me. Okay, that wasn't me. So I never thought a whole lot about it after that until I started listening to David Politis and what he said about the loud pop. And there's another gentleman by the name of Steve Ishdahl. He's a big game hunter and British Columbia and a big game guide. He's got his own YouTube channel now and he basically reads the experiences never sent him via a letter or email of individuals that had experiences with bigfoot.

18:08 And he's been doing this about two three years and he's come across the same thing, these strange noises that makes no sense. He's established a correspondence with scientists, with military personnel, with law enforcement. He's had a couple of different law or military and personnel write him and tell about when they are on a military basis with the surrounded by high fans and security fences to impede higher whatever, these things are jumping over the fence. They're walking over to the cameras, looking into the cameras. They send out security teams and these things are gone, and there seems to be This activity is not so rare as you might think abnormal. There's a gentleman by the name of Ron Moorhead. They were deer hunting in the high Sierras and they had activity where they had they could hear the language it sounded. They compared it to samurai. And people have had a lot of interaction with these creatures claimed that they have a language, it's a gibberish. He heard the sounds. They taped it. They released the tapes to the University of Wyoming and to the Navy Crypto Linguist and they after a year study these these people came back and they said these sounds are authentic. And Ron Moore had at camp he was being interviewed by David plaitis told about episodes where he's seeing the lights but he heard like car door slammy. I mean it

19:40 made no sense. They're miles and miles away from any highway or what have you, that he was hearing metal sounds. Now you have this this idea that this bigfoot is and thanks to the ad where Jack links messing with sasquatch, we think this sature of some big Harry Teddy Bear. Well, he's not as big in hearing and friendly as you might think that he's considered highly intelligent. There's been so many episodes where people are seeing appear and disappear. We have Novea Hole Rangers, a gentleman by Jonathan by the name of Jonathan Dover and Stan Milford and uh Indian Reservations.

20:31 They have a tribal police. And then above that novel nation, they had the Navajo Rangers. They have federal law enforcement training, they have search and rescue training training, they are considered certified trackers. They had one of them had em T training. Well, they had an episode on the reservation where Grandpa and Grandma Navajo saw a sasquat's return of the fans and grab mother's sheep. They called up the police. Two treble policemen were up there, listened to what they had to say, and they basically laughed it off. Well, Grandma called up the commandant. He got all his officers together and said, from on now, we're going to treat this with respect.

21:14 And he pointed at Dover and Milford and he said, you gentlemen are going to be primarily responsible for most of these incidents. When investigating, and like they liked, they described it that they were voluntold. One percent of their investigations dealt with the paranormal. They went up to that ranch and saw the tracks of the creature to grab the sheep. They followed it a couple of miles. The tractors appeared and they were still a trackable ground. So they that track and where that track began. It came out of nowhere, and they've seen that this was not an isolated incident. It shows that there's that these these things, that there's an element that's involved, that it's a creature or creatures that have been the ability to jump in back and forth from dimensions. I mean, granted, you have the four horsemen of of Bigfoot lore, you have Peter Burne, John Green, Renee to hand in Over Krantz, highly respected and individuals spent most of their life investigating and they believed is that they did not believe so much in that paranormal, but it's coming out more and more because there's something paranormal going on. Hunt for the Skinwalker book released by It was written by Colm Kellerhert. He investigated

22:45 mad cow disease. And then there's the journalists from Las Vegas by the name of George napt They co authored the book and it basically dealt with a ranch in northeast Utah. Get some background in that the rancher were in there. He bought it from an elderly couple, took his wife two kids, and has heard of registered cattle. From the beginning, they were seeing paragormal activity. They were seeing wolves that looked like the extinct dire wolf. Huge animals. We're seeing other strange animals. They were sitting on their front porch in the evening and out into the distance he could see a portal opening, and in the portally they could see blue sky. Okay, that's lending some support that there's the possibility of portals. But they had so much activity for two years, cattle being mutilated, what have you.

23:37 They went to the press hoping that somebody had come to their support, that there was other ranchers having the same experiences. A gentleman by the name of Robert Bigelolf, a billionaire, bought the ranch. He brought scientists in there. He left some cattle on there. He wanted that ranch who moved fifteen twenty miles away to kind of look them over. He wanted to have cattle there, so there's nothing totally different. They put up cameras and polls, They had research and brought a veterinarian end physicists, and they did it the scientific way. Well. In one of their investigations one evening, two gentlemen were sitting out ready to move from their spots where they started, where they had begun the evening observing and they've seen a light portal open, a creature walked out. It looked big footage and then the portal clos It went down there they had instruments they or measured everything. It's nothing there. They have The Skinwalker Ranches now has its own program. It's on the History Channel's been on there for five years. But it deals with dimensions and paranormal Well is dimensions scientific support.

24:52 There's the physicists uh physics string theory that believes that that we live in eleven dimensions. Normally it's accepted that we live in three dimensions, but we live in more that we live in eleven dimensions. Mishilo Cocro, a physicists, is the one who discover the believes that we're in eleven dimensions and as many as twenty four to twenty six dimensions. There's portals opening and closing. NASA has come out that said that our Earth is surrounded by portals. That this is not so much science fiction as you would think. Dimensions are basically realms that have different frequencies within your individual cells. They have frequencies you need, dimensions that they claim if you did not have dimensions, our universe would collapse. The scientific community cern. In Europe, they have what's called the Hadrian Glider. Basically it's a huge realm tube that goes for miles. They were attempting to discover the Higgs Boson particle and how they discovered that.

26:04 It's it's the world's largest, longest and highest energy particle accelerator and it's a collider. It has four crossing points where the accelerated partner particles usually proton beams accelerated and they collide with each other and the detect different phenomena. They discovered the Higgs Bosom, the god particle, the particle of all particles, and started life well supposedly. Now they're trying to open up portals. They're trying to open up black holes. The problem is the black holes collapse. They can't keep them open. They're trying to jump from a dimension and there's there's history has people disappearing out of no their disappearing in broad daylight, and they believe and Colitis disscovered this his investigations and Ishdall seeing that from people that have wrote to him that there's something opening up and these holes or gateways where you want to call it, and people have disappeared in history. There's the stories of in Alabama, there was a farmer in eighteen fifties.

27:18 It's going to walk across, get his horses, walking across the field. His wife was standing in the front porch. Two gentlemen or in a wagon the road bordering that field. This gentleman halfways grossfield disappeared. You never saw him again. There's the stories of where a sixteen year old boy in eighteen seventies in Illinois, he went out to get out water. His father and sister they went out to look for me. He did not come back. They found his footprints clear and fresh snow, looking halfway to the well where they had abruptly stopped. So when that people say that, well, first let's just say this dimentia. There's no such same as portals. They there's the cave paintings with the spirals. There's people who's got videos of the spirals of these things opening. There's people disappearing. There's throughout history there's portals. You have uh Skinwalker Ranch, which is seeing something looks like a portal opening up. There's a Mount Graham in Arizona, one of the four sacred holiest sites of indigenous people, the Vatican, Arizona State University, and NASA.

28:39 We're going to put the largest telescope on top of this mountain. Well, the Apache nation, they fought it, they went to the courts. The courts supported NASA, and the Vatican legislatures did it too. So why was it so important to put it in a portal area, Because people like NASA and the Vatican, they know there's something that exists there. They're just not sharing it with us, but they know that there's something there. And that's a kind of a Sidebarhi's interesting, a monk Graham, you got a telescope puff through one of the three telescopes they have up there. It's called the Lucifer telescope, and it's called it's nicknamed Lucy. But that's up there. But you have people that are disappearing, there's people going in and out.

29:28 They have the Ananaki and civilization of Sumar. They have in their their their narrative of portals, ability to jump dimensions, Egypt, India, Mesio America, China. They have a narrative that there's there is portals, that there is dimensions in the Skinwalker book. They had an account of a Dulcy rancher, Dulcine, New Mexico rancher big. For society, who will be right back after these messages.

30:15 He's seen this sasquatch come running out of the timber, running across the open one hundred and fifty feet away, kept looking for a treer, like something was chasing it. It jumped over something or was running, went up to the side hill and disappeared. The rancher his dogs hit. He's on his horse. He had three dogs, and three dogs were cowering under the horse. And when this thing disappeared, then the rancher followed where that that creature went. His horse jumped over something, the dogs jumped over something. He looked back, he didn't see anything there. He went up to that side hill nothing this thing disappeared. That Jacques Valet, who's very instrumental in uphology. He believes in dimensions gentleman.

30:57 As an astronomer, he became interesting interested in youuthology. They were asked by Nassau when they started putting satellites up to trap them, they were seeing retrograde orbits, and there should be no retrograde orbits of anything, and everything should have been human that was sent up out into space, but they're seeing satellites go in the opposite direction. He's instrumental in the UFO legends. He's the individual in the Close Encounters movie by Spielberg. He's the French scientist who believe that different scientists is modeled after Jacques la Jacques Bealle does not believe in extraterrestrial aliens. He believes they're interdimensional.

31:40 Then there's the gentleman of Scott Carpenter, just passed here about a year ago. Really aggressive sasquatch investigator research you. He would go into the Great Smoky Mountains, Lostroud, surviron Man. He took him into the and that are in tohowed him but that heavy activity that he was seeing. Stroud didn't see anything, but he said he felt there was something in there. Carpenter, when he used to go on his hikes, would film in front of in front of him and he would film behind it. He had a camera mode so he could film there. He had that he just walked well. He got a portal on his film.

32:27 You can see it opening up. It's been showing on his YouTube channel. La Marzouli was a YouTube channel he interviewed Carpenter and they shared that video. La Marzouli believes that there's portals and dimensions. He spent forty years investigating this. Then there's the problem with scientists or science points out in the skeptics, Well, bigfootsale considered to be nine foot ten foot high. Well there's this giants. Well, there's gentlemen such as Steve Quayle La mar Zuli, doctor rob At, Timothy Alberino. They have studied the giant thumb phenomenon back in the eighteen hundreds to early nineteen hundred series fifteen hundred newspaper articles documenting that of bigfoot archaeologists digging up giant human bones. There's farmers that are digging, well, they're dig up giant human bones. If there's a major flood here it and covers giant human bones. There's one problem that and it's been documented by the newspapers. And the Sonian comes in, it confiscates those bones and they claim they don't have them. And in Europe, the government in the Vatican were doing the same thing. Well, Steve Quail was contacted an interviewed a gentleman who I took it

34:02 to be being academia. He was a close friend to doctor Troy Haiway is an Arizona State University professor of geology. He donated his brain to the Smithsonian. The family asked this gentleman, who is close friend of the family, if you could go to the Smithsonian to make sure that brain was there. He got permission. He went to Washington, given a forty minute car ride to Building Omen. The Smithsonians won two stories, got in there, and he went down four stories. They found the brain. The gentleman that was Escortian and morons, I got some other stuff to show you. He went up to the third floor four wings found out. They went in one of the rooms and started pulling drawers off a drawer after drawer of giant human bones. And the gentleman told this friend of the family, well, we've got a twenty four If we have twenty foot giants in here, well, why aren't they sharing this? That there is giants, that there is different phenomena out there that we the public are not allowed to be privy to it. Well, Steve Quail and others believe that the mindset of like the Smithsonian. They believe that the human giants and like Bigfoot would be a disproved Darwinian evolution. And also they had a mindset of isolationism.

35:31 They did not believe the Egyptians came to this country. And even though this escort showed Egyptian artifacts that were found in the American Southwest and that the Smithsonian did not want people, they did not want the theory disapproved. And that's a problem because science has embraced the theory of evolution as their go to and people have to realize it's a theory, it's not law. It basically runs in the face of scientific law. The first law of thermodynamics, you move from an ordered state to a chaotic state.

36:12 Evolution runs from a chaotic state to a ordered state. You have the Cambrian period, That Paleozoic period is over five hundred million years ago, and there is no links there is. You have an explosion of creatures that came out of nowhere. Even Darwin pointed to this period that would disprove evolution, but he felt his faith in the fossil record would come to his aid. And after one hundred and fifty years it still hasn't found a transitional figure. But this is what we're running into. With science, and those who believe in Sasquatch, I believe in Bigfoot, they'll believe that they'll be rescued by science. Well, I can tell you right now here in Carroll County, Carol, Iowa out and physically harvested either a live Bigfoot or a dead one. I brought it into Carrol, took it down to the Talent Square. You'd have the newspaper come out.

37:11 They would take pictures, so you would have dozens and not hundreds of people with their camera phones. You could possibly even have film crews come out of Des Moines and Omaha. Well, that should prove that there's such a thing. You know what will happen is the government will go, like they've done elsewhere, confiscate that body. You'll never see it again, never hear of it again. Science will come out and say this is an anomaly, an aberration, that is just one creature. They will probably point to the Selacan. It's a prehistoric fishing spin extinct for millions of years. It was fishing off the waters Madagascar in the nineteen thirties. It hasn't been done since then, wasn't done before that.

37:53 This issue of cryptology is very similar to the U four issue. You've had from the time of Kenneth Arnalds sightings in nineteen forty seven in Washington to today, they have attempted to disprove it. Science has done a number. Back to Ivan T. Sanderson, he showed it, just like we've seen in the fology. We have film of flying craft that are not of this art. Sciences has attacked it. The films were taken by Navy fighter pilots, the release to the public, and science does not believe in it.

38:36 Ivan T. Sanderson talking about the film. Ivan T. Sanderson in one of his books, did a chapter in the Patterson Gimlin film. For those that don't know what I'm talking about, the Patterson Gimlin film has taken a nineteen sixty seven and Bluff Creek, California and backwoods of the heavily timbered area. Yeah, thirty seconds with a sasquatchison. In his book. As for these gentlemen, there are a couple of cowboys. They did make copies of it. They put their original print in a bank. They took one copy in New York City to be observed by a scientists, and the scientists looked at it came out and called it a hoax. They had one gentleman came out while the hair was going one direction in the light and the hair is going another direction in the arm. It's a suit being worn by somebody. But the majority of scientists call it a hoax, not because they saw something that looked like somebody in a munthy suit or have you.

39:33 It's a hoax because Bigfoot does not exist. So anything to any evidence that might prove that it exists as a hoax as well, that's not science. We've seen the same thing with upology. They came out along with the government. They had Project Sign and Project Grudge and Blue Book where they even higher jail and Heinech was an astronomer for Northwestern University, trying to give it some credibility. They had different They went to the Condent Investigation, which is a Colorado University did investigation of what they were seeing to use the Project Blue Book evidence that it was accumulated. The physics professor Edward Condon, who was ahead of that study, publicly stated before it was even as a two year study that these things don't exist and he was just going to blow it off, and he did. There was professors on that James MacDonald and mothers said there was stuff there that should not have been skipped over. You had a eufull flapp in nineteen fifty two Washington, DC.

40:32 You've had things circling the capitol. Scientists came on said it was temperature in versions, it was swamp gas. It wasn't until the July twenty twenty three that Househoverside Committee brought in whistleblowers. They said they had crashed, you os, they had crashed or they had bodies. And science still blows it off that Sagan is in stronhom or famous for you know, billions upon billions passed away in the nineteen nineties, he dismissed any utiful setting today said the vast distances disproved it, even though science today now says that if you've been light you can cut time and distance credibly that you can travel from planet to plant.

41:16 But the reason that science won't accept like cryptology that are bigfoot the UFOs because is like Arthur C. Clark, science vecture Ritter said it would be alluding to be pandering to innate superstition. Science suppresses opposing theories instead of investigating it. Einstein was asked what his first thoughts when science accepted his theory of relativity, his response was to disprove it. That's what science does. If you're against something that there's something that was against what you've been teaching, you challenge it, you go after it. You use scientific method to prove disprove. And we're seeing today a science that's been corrupted by either hubris, money, politics, interest in the Bigfoot phenomena. You see an increase in that interest in the phenomena. You're seeing people going hiking out into the woods. You're seeing horseback riots and the Rocky Mountains going into areas of Bigfoot activity. What I've seen, what I've heard, I had against it. This creature is not as benign as you think it is. Steve Ishdel told of there's areas in British Columbia and Mountinus forced areas that he will not go into. He said, it's just not worth your life. There's Native Americans, the locals that

42:49 live in that are doing the same. He talked about the Highway of Tears in British Columbia where there's numerous numerous Native women going missing. Now, granted there is a criminal element and the reason Native American women are highly valued because if you go on a reservation, I have a van, You're going to abduct some women. You get caught by the tribal police. All they can do is detaining. If you're a white man, or if you're a non member of the reservation, they have to release you because it's not in their jurisdiction. They'll call up law enforcement outside the reservation, and many times they won't even respond.

43:32 If they do again, they say that this gentleman has committed a crime and it's outside. There's jurisdiction. Back to the Highway of Tears. Ish to all believes. It's not just a criminal element. There's something else that the Native Americans have in their folk folklore of these creatures going in and stealing women and stealing children. And it's something to think about. I have my oldest daughter her landlord. When oldest daughter lived in Lacrosse going to a school up there, she had a landlord that liked to hike many times and hike in bicycle and remoters. I warned her about it, and she just said, don't tell me about it. I don't need to know. But there's islands in southeast Alaska where theirs cedars been pulled out of the ground, inverted and pushed by force into the ground, the roots showing up on the top, and they're so deep and so perfectly submitted into the ground that they're almost impossible to dig back out of the ground. Something of immense size, stature, and strength is doing this. Scott Carpenter said that well, going into areas that had the Bigfoot activity, he had the problem of what they call hitchhiking.

44:57 He go back home, he would have paramoun normal activity, lights, entities. It's been observed by the investigators at Skinwalker Ranch. They had when Bigelow was in control of the organism or the investigations there. They had military personnel. Something would follow them home. Juri Yeller, the guy that's famous for bending spoons, they had scientists investigating his claims. When they went home, they would have paranormal activity and a hitchhike followed them home, and it didn't stop until they discontinued the investigations. Big for society, who will be right back After these messages.

45:55 The novele Rangers talked about this hitchhiking effect so that Native Americans would warn whites and others knew nothing about their culture. That you don't mess with the magic, you don't mess with shamans, with witch doctors, with individuals of the Noah and their tribes. Scott Carpenter in La Marzouli believe that that Bigfoot is a ancestor of the nepheline. The Nephiline in your scriptures basically is there was two hundred watchers came down. They were supposed to just watch over, that's what they were ordered by God. They came down infiltrated human ranks, they had sex with women, they produced giants.

46:43 It's in biblical war, and that's the belief that why Noah there was a flood. There's not so much that people were evil, but these that there was such a corruption of the God bloodline that if it continued, there were being no God bloodline and they would Jesus or be old salvation. That's what Carpenter and Marzouli belief that something had to be done. And talking about giants, Moses would send Joshua scouting parties out to look ahead. When the Israelites left Egypt and go into the Land of Milk and Honey, they came across, especially in the canaan of these giants. The scouting party looked like grasshoppers in the eyes of these giants. They had to go in and slaughter them as much as they can. They went into villages and they slaughtered the men, women, children, and the animals.

47:33 You believe that there's this corrupted bloodline. So what's the SAP to do with Bigfoot? There's a Bigfoot is a giant. There has been numerous accounts where he's not the friendly, big, cuddly creature that they'd like you to believe. Steve Ishtel and Tim Alberino, doctor Tom Horne and others believe that's why he had the cliff dwellers and a saucy That's why they went high into the the rock the mountains, and it was to protect themselves from something that was extremely dangerous. Now, Ricky Ranger will tell you that the Anasasi that disappeared that they moved out as a drought.

48:15 There's one problem that with that, they left huge caches of salt. Salt was like gold. If you're going to survive, you needed salt. I don't have to go very far back to my own family back in eighteen hundreds, late eighteen hundreds. I had. Members of my family owned huge tracks of timber in Sweden. Timber barons came in there and talked. My ancestor was out that bought their their land and they paid them with barrels of salt. Well, I thought, O, that's what would you accept that? Well, that's considered gold. So there is anisas they believe disappeared because of these giants they have that you go to the southwest, you have the kiba structures, the medicineman we call these creatures, these giants on different dimensions. And the giants were cannibals. They started attacking the Indians. They had the piute and the ute had it's in their narrative.

49:09 They had to attack these things and kill them out. There's the story of they say the giants didn't exist, the sasquatch doesn't exist. Well, there's the Kandahar giant in the Afghan mountains. Green Beery recom patrols sent off. They disappeared, they said. Another patrol a couple of days later they found remnants of clothing and what have you. That came to a cave and out pops at fifteen foot, red haired, red bearded, six toes, six fingered double roves of teeth. Giant speared the squad leader. The rest of the squad opened up and the only way they put it down is they had to basically shoot it in the head. They took this giant helicopter out of Kandahar to local air base where this military patrol was a station. A sea team for two different sized or freight airport just went in there. They loaded this giant up on a pallet, covered it with a tarp, extreme extreme, terrible smell. They loaded it on the plane, took off and never seen it again. The load master and others and the military patrol were ordered not to talk about it. They were they did. One individual that was on the site that helped load it was interviewed by Steve Quail, did not did not chow his identity. Ellen Arzuli went went further and disable of contact and talked to a gentleman that was in the firefight. They checked their bona fides. They

50:41 believed they were telling the truth. This happened. Okay, if there's creatures like that, you have sasquatch in this country, and you'll have people listening to this. Well, we haven't been attacked there, there's people putting out fruits and candy and trinkets. Well, if you listen to people have had lots of interaction. You listen to Steve Quill where people are going missing. You listen to Steve Ishdahl, who's actually one hundred in these areas. You just listen to the First Nations people. They don't they just keep away from it. Just word of warning. If you still want to go out there, enjoy your outing, but just be careful. There's so much we don't know. You don't have to any further.

51:30 There's a former New York Police Department serget by the name of Ralph Sarci. There's a former New York Police officer, a paramedic, Chris Staplorio, who's now become an exercise in their investigations. In their time on duty, they have witnessed satonic and luciferian episodes. It's gone to the point where they're both heavily involved in fighting that and their retirement. There's things that are not being told to the public. It's been suppressed. And there's people in the Bigfoot community. They're a lot more open than our science and in our government, but still they should have some worry that if you want to enjoy the great outdoors, fine, you can go out there, just as you know, you should be careful while you're out there. But that's pretty much what years. This is what I've accumulated. This is what I've seen.

52:29 Has some really interesting stuff that really hasn't been brought up on the show before. So I thank you for that. Going back to, you know, the things that you experienced on up there in Northeast Iowa, thinking back on that time, do you feel like you actually did have some experience with bigfoot or is it a thing where you're kind of, you know, on either side as to what was really happening back then. Well, the first time I had, one of my brothers told me that where I heard, what was really convincing was the wire being stretched. Something was going over that wire and he thought it was a coyote. Well, that could be. But the second time, those were tree knocks.

53:17 There was no ifs ands. You had the activity of the dogs, you have the activity of the horses, and that was going on while during the tree knocks. Yeah, there was something there. I'm not saying it's bigfoot, but it's all that type of phenomena. It's in the parameters of sasquatch. Yeah, now absolutely, especially you know, I've taken reports that are similar to those as well. And I want listeners to realize that this walk on area is about a little under half an hour away from Yellow River State Forest, which you'd mentioned that earlier, and you said you talked to a few individuals that said, yeah, is not really in there. I'd like to take, you know, maybe the opposite side where over the years, I've gotten a ton of reports from people that have experienced bigfoot activity in there, and also even even workers, even DNR workers. There was one he didn't end up coming forward, but saying, hey, experience something like last year. But have there been any situations where you have actually heard things happening in there or things reported by people over the years.

54:36 Well, the individual I talked to that worked in their thirty five years, he really derided the possibility of something being in there. But here's the case, here's the problem if you actually had an interaction and are you going to come out and can you imagine the ridicule. I'm old now, so I'm telling these couple of these incidents, Oh, you must be crazy or whatever. I don't really care. I've gotten to the age now that you're not going to affect me. But there's individuals that have jobs that might affect their jobs that ridicool on that whatever they do, they're afraid it's the same thing. And they found that out in the UFO studies that people had seen stuff their airline pilot pilots. There's people that scientists, law enforcement, they refused to tell their experiences. Some of them did tell it later on. They found that in their studies, but it was fear of ridicule, and I think that's probably what you're running into. That's what's interesting that an actual DNR representative did come out and say something. Because I talked to the state forester. Okay, what did you see?

55:43 What did you hear? Is there's such anything you hear or heard? No. Talk to the Almaty County sheriff, and he said they've had reports of bear and reports of cougar, no reports of bigfoot. He says, I've never heard or see any evidence that would support any bigfoot activity. So, but if you've got people coming out of there and saying that they were kind of ridiculed when they had the fighting Bigfoot in one of the individuals, the bfour bfr old individuals that were representing Animal Planet. They that's the impression I got. They were hesitant to embrace. But others locals were seen in that area. But no, if you've got somebody that came out, that's great. I mean, that's it shows that something and congratulation that person has got courage to do that.

56:37 I know, and it's it's a thing where as the show grows, it happens more and more. I've even had an individual a park ranger from Smoking Mountains, and this was like a year and a half ago, but it just I always email them back and then it just something happens. They never followed through. I would ask listeners, if you have had something happening Yellow River or Backbone or Strawberry Point or all these different places up in the northeast part of Iowa or even southeast, there's stuff that happens down there, please reach out. I would love to talk to you about you know, what you have experienced in Yellow River, because I've gotten I mean I can I can remember at least ten over over the last two years of people in Yellow River that I haven't talked to for the podcast, but they have talked off record. But it's just it's really really interesting that you were able to do that that research up there in that it you know, over over your years you have gone on this kind of this learning quest through not just Bigfoot, but also UFOs and other topics that if you do look at the the big picture, they do have kind of a connecting thing, as it were.

57:56 So it's very very interesting. That's what why Bigfoot is. I believe in Bigfoot is shot down, like in Iowa or Nebraska, is because all you need the heavy timber. Well, now they're coming across. Like Scott Carpenter, he did a lot of research. He went into the Great Smoky Mountains. That gentleman came out any In La Marzouli is another one who's done a lot of research. They believe that these things are able to access dimensions. And there's the skeptics say, well, these things are animals, they're they're a primate, you know, but they have a high intelligence that they's been somewhat proven by this era. Sounds that they have a language. That the sciences of the University of Wyoming and that cryptologists that looked at the language, that there's something there and these creatures are not as dumb as everybody thinks they are, that they have abilities. We don't realize the abilities of the animal kingdom. I was watching up a Nature channel the other day where they had caribou and their vision ability to see things like infrared or ultra violet. They had a wolf off their two hundred yards and that you know, was standing completely still, and that cariboo saw it.

59:16 And I can relate to that. Turkey, honey wild turkeys. Their ability to differentiate colors six times greater than the human. Ability to hear is ten times or six times greater than the human. They have scientists, biologists that have studied that. So in this the Sasquatch is up long or two above like wolves and others. Steve Bushdahl has given licenses to hunt wolves, and he said, once they know they're being hunted, he says, it's almost impossible to trap them. They avoid the camp ging camers, that trail cams. And we've lost so much interaction with nature that we don't know how how superior nature is once you get involved with it.

59:58 Oh, absolutely, and you know they're here's a point you brought up. I want to I want to focus on for a minute. It's really interesting. It gets brought up a lot in the Iowa bigfoot scene, no matter how small it is, and it's it's that, you know, Iowa doesn't have a large area of forests like the Pacific Northwest has, and you know, there's a I think there's a few ways to look at that. What I do personally is I look at you know, I think it might move around the driftless area if you look in northeast Iowa and southwest Wisconsin, or it might be kind of just traveling through maybe down to Missouri and we're kind of just a stop off point. But I do also think, and this is kind of a lot of people might not hold to this, but I think there might be areas in Iowa, and I'm not going to say names, but there might be little forest stop offs that they might hang out in at certain points of the years, maybe like little airbnbs for Bigfoot as they move along. I'm not going to say the name, but I think we might have some of that. But they just might not be there the whole year, if you know what I mean.

1:01:08 Well, they're seeing in the Pacific northwest of peoples have activity that there's pockets and there's that heavier activity than others, and they believe there's some that believe that they migrate. I don't know anything about that that they but there's you cannot discount activity in places like Iowa and places that don't have the forested areas that like you've got northeast Diowa, like you can go from elm Key down to Gavenport that area, and you get into the Missouri of the Ozarks, they there is those hills and forests that they got down there, and there's supposed to be a lot of activity down there. You go into northern Minnesota, they have a lot, supposedly have a lot of activity.

1:01:51 The same thing in Wisconsin, especially north and northeast northwest Wisconsin. And that's when you think a bigfoot. You think of cal you think you of Washington, think of Oregon, you think of western Canada. But there's an activity, numerous activity. And that's what I brought up. The example of if you got one, like if you got one in Ferrell County, it would first to be confiscated by the government. You'd never see it again, and they would discount it they'd say it's an anomally, it's an aberration, you know nothing here and move on. I wonder if it would get taken to the great Ape research facility in Des Moines. Do you know what I'm talking about? Just like hypothetically, if this was to happen, so in southeast des Moines, there's a there's a big facility that's used for researching Bonobo's it's right off of the Des Moines River, and that would just be That's a really interesting idea. Like if Bigfoot was captured by the government in Iowa, would it be taken to that facility or would they take it? What's the place. I'm not a UFO guy, but out in Ohio there's the military base where like right, yeah, yeah, yeah, I'd probably get taken straight out there.

1:03:05 That's what gues like Des Moines would be if something a sticking and I would that would be the ideal place to take it. But I don't think science and I don't think our government wants us there would be more openness if it was taken to facility in the Moine than if it was taken somewhere else. They don't want us know about it. That's they had that, and twenty twenty three are congressional hearing, they had whistleblowers coming out that they had this and that, and that it was blown out of the water by the government by science. So I don't know why. It's just like they came across with the history of human giant human bones and why did the Masonian take it? And they won't tell anybody and they have them. I gave a Steve Quayle interviewed this gentleman of a friend of the family. They went out given a tour and quail checked the bona fides of that individual and it's said everything checked out.

1:04:00 So you believe them and they're there. But that's a a big question why. I mean, in your interactions, that's something to ask people, what are they doing? Why are they doing this? So it's very very interesting stuff and I hope that in our lifetime we'll get some answers. We can only keep pressing towards that. We'll see, we'll see what happens. But David, it has been just a privilege talking to you and learning a lot of interesting things that intersect with Bigfoot, and also hearing about some things you experienced up there. In the northeast part of Iowa. So thank you for coming on the show and sharing that.

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